WE’RE ON TO NASHVILLE

Peter Chiarelli’s list (the one we discussed in the summer) got its first chance to impress last night in St. Louis. Let’s have a look.

CHIARELLI’S LIST OF THINGS TO DO

  1. Draft McDavid and sign him He had a 44% possession number (70%ZS) at evens last night. Two shots on goal, -1, for me that third period chance on the PP is the adrenalin spike. Most players jam that puppy into the goalie and it’s over, he did the wrap and damn near scored. Recognized the pass long before it happened, got into position. He doesn’t have a shot that will beat the goalie yet. Some chatter about moving Hall to another line, I’ll trust McLellan on the matter. Both men are tremendous talents, they’ll find a way with or without. 
  2. Find a quality goalie option (Cam Talbot). .933 SP (28 of 30) and he was very good to my eye. I liked his calmness even though I was in full panic mode from the two previous opening nights (I actually watched on PVR but the sphincter gauge was on low the entire time). Long way to go, but no vomiting because of the goaler. The dog sat contentedly beside me after two years of hiding in the fetal position and trembling. 
  3. Acquire a legit top pairing blue (Andrej Sekera) He had a 48% possession number (57% ZS) and moved the puck well most of the time. I liked his coverage for the most part but he has a slow partner and that’s going to impact. I didn’t count but would bet a lot of money Sekera led the team in tape-to-tape outlet passes to breaking forwards.
  4. Sign a two-way F (Lauri Korpikoski) He was 50% in possession (50% ZS) and had good and bad moments to my eye. Using him on the Lander line (for me) turns the group into a checking unit. They lose the advantage of having a third line who can impact the game in a real way offensively. Too bad, because they have the players to make it so. The player himself was good enough in the ‘veteran mentor’ checking line role.
  5. Ignore MacT re: Marincin (Or trade Marincin for real value) (Eric Gryba) He was exactly as advertised—solid defensively and no help at all in the other end. Gryabe went 55% Corsi for 5×5 and got it with a 70% ZS. I’m not sure of the wisdom in giving him a 70% ZS. 
  6. Veteran two-way center (Mark Letestu) Went 67% in possession (60 ZS) but again this is the checking line—not really sure about the wisdom in giving him that kind of ZS.

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OILERS BLUE BY THE NUMBERS

BLUE LAST NIGHT

Here we have my first real issue with Todd McLellan. I don’t know if this is luck of the draw, but he’s using Schultz in the least effective way possible (tough ZS’s) and exposing his soft underbelly. I know Klefbom-Schultz went over 50% Corsi 5×5 last season, but they enjoyed an enormous zone-start push. Either of the other pairings would have been better in my opinion. I didn’t notice many good tape to tape passes from the pairing—that would be a good reason to have them doing the ZS dirty work—and I saw Schultz bad in the passing department last night at least two times. The tandem was also responsible for going swimming on the winning goal.

If I had to pick a ‘best D’ on what surely will be a night exceeded many times, I’ll go with young Reinhart. I can find some errors or timidity in his game early, but he settled in later. At one point he played up (don’t know if it was planned or he went walkabout) but he looked solid and finally started hitting people and delaying their progress.

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OILERS WINGERS BY THE NUMBERS

wingers last night

Huh. Something’s funny here, all over. At the top (sorted by Corsi for % 5×5, this is via hockeystats.ca) and we see the power of St. Louis when the Backes and Stastny lines are out. Completely different equation and the McDavid and Nuge lines saw the tougher units (as one would expect). Gazdic was impressive enough to get some shifts with Pouliot and Nuge as the game wore on (Teddy Purcell looked slow to my eye) and Nail Yakupov was splendid on a night where his line saw some of the Stastny trio (and stout blue) as well.

The only winger from the top two lines who posted over 50%? The kid Slepy and he was dropped from the McDavid line before saving his night with a nice third-period push (back on that line). I’m going to suggest the takeaway for the top two lines from tonight is that St. Louis is a better hockey team. Oilers didn’t win many faceoffs, they weren’t making a strong headman pass to these lines, and the results were predictable.

If Todd McLellan chooses to move Hall off McDavid’s line, fine. I don’t think he needs to do it based on last night. There was frustration on that line, but that’s not a bad thing. Miles to go.

A note about Nail: I’m disappointed in the 10 minutes. Todd McLellan is a veteran coach who had TWO struggling RW’s for a stretch last night and didn’t give Yak a push. That’s an oversight for a coach who is known for in-game management and shuffling.

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OILERS CENTERS BY THE NUMBERS

centers last night

Nugent-Hopkins couldn’t get back in time on the winning goal (I’ll blame the pairing but Nuge was also in photo) but he skated miles and I’m satisfied with his effort (his wingers are another matter). McDavid got some looks but wasn’t effective at evens (70%ZS people) and we can chalk that up to an effective and veteran team. Wildly disappointed in the handling of Letestu and his line, you’re not going to get offense from that group.

I didn’t notice Lander in my quick look through the game, and here’s why: He was playing the Gordon role last night. Bring back Leon, put him on the line with Yak and use the Letestu line for the chores. Come on, Todd McLellan! Risk a little, wouldya????? Bruce McCurdy did a nice summary of each player as always, it is here.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show! Lots to get to and of course we’ll be knee deep in Oilers chatter with some open segments. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. Blue Jays need a win today.
  • Antony Bent, FC Edmonton. Eddies need a win and of course it’s the Cosmos—on the road! Plus there’s a new man in Liverpool and Bent will have a take.
  • Travis Yost, TSN. Two nights into the NHL season, Yost and I will figure out a way to make a trade between the Oilers and Sens.
  • Jeff Krushell, Krush Performance. Blue Jays, plus the atmosphere around the postseason and how every play gets magnified. Also, concussion protocol and its importance.
  • Paul Almeida, SSE. A review of last night’s game and an assessment of Talbot by the toughest marker I know.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. We roll in 90! (Cheesy I know, but damned if I can think of anything else).

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179 Responses to "WE’RE ON TO NASHVILLE"

  1. Pouzar says:

    Speaking of Nashville….not a single player over 48 CF% against the Canes last Night.
    Jezzuz.

    Holy Not So Tiny Pekka.

  2. John Chambers says:

    The Blues are such an effective team at supporting the puck and making short effective passes. In previous years they would’ve cycled our slow defensemen into the ground (which they did on occasion last night) but their efforts were blunted against our bigger, more mobile d.

    Oiler forwards are still learning to play as a unit and supporting the puck carrier is still disjointed. It explains why they had a hard time generating 5×5 offense against a St Louis who play a ‘team’ defense.

    Given the talent we have up front I can see the Oilers developing in this area as the season goes on. Interesting to see how we match up against the Blues in March and my guess is that the two teams should be quote close at that point.

    Fewer tire fires in our own end. Our D is a whole time zone better than last season, and Talbot was cool and calm just like my mom with a couple of valiums inside her palm.

  3. HiddenDarts says:

    I’m a little more hopeful for the Nashville game, as long as the Oil don’t basically give up the first period like they did last night. That was like a team of scared children. You could smell the fear for miles.

    Talbot, though. Wow. Is this what an NHL goalie looks like?

  4. Woodguy says:

    LT, I think you’re off the mark in bitching about zone starts for the forward lines.

    Why did Lander’s line get 20% OZS (natural stattrick has them at 20%, not 0%)

    Because Fabbri-Letehra-Schwarz got 71.3% OZS and McLellan matches lines.

    I noticed Yak/Lander getting the shitty OZS in the pre-season too for some games?

    Why?

    McLellan is matching them to the soft scoring line from the other team and those lines usually get the OZS push (like Fabbri did last night.)

    Don’t get too hung up on the OZS% because you’ll drive yourself crazy.

    McLellan may consider it, but its not what drives his decisions, its matching.

    I expect Lander/Yak’s OZS% to flip when at home.

  5. oliveoilers says:

    Purcell’s gone if he plays another game like that.

    Played pool with a child-hood friend of Dustin Schwarz last night. He’s not even a hockey fan, strangely enough! He brought it up because he recognised Talbot (the only player he’d heard of on the TV in the bar) because he’s been chatting with Dustin and Dustin won’t shut up about Talbot.

    They LOVE him in Kingsway. Apparently it was always their intention to get him. They made an offer of a second for Lehner, but it was Talbot they wanted.

  6. Snowman says:

    HiddenDarts:
    I’m a little more hopeful for the Nashville game, as long as the Oil don’t basically give up the first period like they did last night. That was like a team of scared children. You could smell the fear for miles.

    I am not sure what game you watched. It wasn’t the one I watched. Did they get beat by a better team? Yep. Did they quit at any point? Not one person.

    There’s a big difference between not being good enough and not trying.

  7. Pouzar says:

    @LT
    “(Andrej Sekera) He had a 48% possession number (75% ZS)”

    Hockeystats.ca has Sekera’s ZS at 57%…Am I reading that right? Are they wrong?

  8. frjohnk says:

    Blues are helluva a team. One of favorites to win the cup.

    Actually having a chance in the third period to win a game against a cup favorite is a big change from last year. If we had last years goaltending, it would have been a 3-0 10 minutes in and 6-1 after 2 periods.

    I don’t care what Woodguy says about him, but I am really liking Talbot.

    Oilers now know what the mountain looks like. They have a lot of climbing to do, but there is a lot to like.

  9. SoCaloil says:

    I like a girl with a short skirt and a loooooong jacket !
    Hahahah

    Was McT trying to match lines over ZS?
    The line shuffle is interesting. Why not let the guys get used to another ?
    Unless he figured sending out a policeman for a period was a good idea
    Or they where not generating enough quality chance which is true

    The oil did seem a bit tougher
    They also seemed to put in a better effort throughout the whole game ie play 60 min

  10. mattwatt says:

    I thought Sekera (by eye) was as advertised last night. In the right position on the ice a lot, can move the puck and defends his own end pretty well. What the Oilers paid him for, which is a good thing. Imagine if Petry was still here with him rather than Nikitin. Le sigh……

    As for Yak, know he had that bad turnover on the PP but was a dog on the offensive forecheck. Created several turnovers throughout the game, buggering the crap out of Blues d man all night long. Glad to see him like that, what he needs to do.

    Team played a decent game against a good club last night. Hate to say it, but that is progress. Here is hoping that they keep it going.

  11. Bag of Pucks says:

    I thought we knew going in that MacLellan is not a zone-start push kind of coach? Hence why they got rid of Gordon.

    He’s going to roll 4 lines and expect them to be able to play a two way game. I think we’ll have to get used to this type of F deployment. On the D side, agree you don’t want Jultz and KBom starting that often in their own end.

    It’s 1 game. They were in it late on the road against a team that typically eats their lunch, insults their sister, and farts on their head.

    I thought there were a lot of promising signs. Based on last night alone, I’m convinced that McDavid will be in the Top 20 in scoring this season.

  12. jake70 says:

    Talbot stopped the ones he was supposed to, if you’re an Oiler fan, you’re not used to, and are ecstatic about this. Keep it up.

  13. zatch says:

    My observations:
    -Gryba and Reinhart are good at Rickistats in their end, and it showed, but Gryba can’t piss a drop over his own blue, and that’s a problem, as Reinhart is no screaming hell either
    -Sekera really needs to step up by eye. Badly needs another top pairing partner.
    -Talbot will save this club a half dozen losses at least this year.
    -Offence was completly out of synch by eye. Nothing was clicking. The parts are there, the deployment and chemistry need significant work.
    -Blues were a much better team most of the time. Boring as anythign ever though. Crap, that was a dull game

    If that’s the 4th line the Blues are gonna roll, they’ll be bounced early against a good team again. Bad players bad at playing hockey.

  14. papa96 says:

    I particularly liked Talbot redirecting pucks to the corners, often right off the blocker with no hesitation, and for the most part the players were positioned to pick them up.

  15. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar:
    @LT
    “(Andrej Sekera) He had a 48% possession number (75% ZS)”

    Hockeystats.ca has Sekera’s ZS at 57%…Am I reading that right? Are they wrong?

    Naturalstattrick has Sekera at 57% as well

  16. Pretendergast says:

    Hall had 2 rookies on his line and he’s never had to be the responsible presence on a line before.

    Give it a rest to any Hall hate or overreactions 1 game in.

  17. oliveoilers says:

    Pretendergast:
    Hall had 2 rookies on his line and he’s never had to be the responsible presence on a line before.

    Give it a rest to any Hall hate or overreactions 1 game in.

    Ermm, just re-read the thread and nobody has said anything detrimental about Hall.

  18. McSorley33 says:

    LT, I think you’re off the mark in bitching about zone starts for the forward lines.
    *************************************************************************************
    Agreed.

    The headline story is out top 6 forwards….vs the blues top 6 forwards.

    We can’t blame goaltending. Can’t blame Gazdic. D played okay….

    David Backes is now 31 years old. Good player no question.

    But at some point in the near future – I would like our top 2 lines to be competitive against his line.

    The numbers for the RNH, line sream out ‘Stop the Fight’.

    Insert usual round of “Of Course’s’……

    Of course it is the first game,….

    Looking for Teddy to win his first board battle. Waiting for it….

  19. G Money says:

    John Chambers: Oiler forwards are still learning to play as a unit and supporting the puck carrier is still disjointed. It explains why they had a hard time generating 5×5 offense against a St Louis who play a ‘team’ defense.

    Pretty much all teams have a hard time generating 5×5 offense in St Louis against St Louis.

    Last night I posted the context for the Oilers’ 48% CF% vs last years 45%, 43%, and 40%. i.e. way better than any of the games last year, especially the first, which was the 40%.

    Another bit of context: last year at home, the Blues averaged 53% CF%. On the road, the Oilers averaged 48%.

    So last nights CF% for the Oilers matched their road average from last year – i.e. they did as well against one of the best teams in the league vs what they averaged against *all* teams last year.

    Conversely, the Blue’s 52% is weaker than what they averaged against all visiting teams last year.

    The point being that one of my expectations for this year is that the Oilers should establish themselves as a mid-tier team.

    To hit 48% CF and lose by one goal+EN to an elite veteran squad with stable coaching playing at home is the most anyone should have expected.

    In the light of day, I remain extremely satisfied with last nights result, doubly satisfied with the fact that neither the players nor the coach are satisfied, and out of my mind thrilled that Talbot is the real deal [actually, let me rephrase that – I know he’s the real deal, but I’m thrilled that it doesn’t look like he’s going to fall victim to the dreaded starters dip, which after an extensive study of goaltenders, was a very real concern of mine].

  20. Woodguy says:

    Here;s Naturalstattrick’s OZS% for the DMen:

    Eric Gryba 70
    Griffin Reinhart 63.64
    Andrej Sekera 57.14
    Mark Fayne 50
    Justin Schultz 37.5
    Oscar Klefbom 30

    I wonder if McLellan’s thinking is “get my best puck movers the most Dzone starts so they can move the puck north?”

    Schultz and Klef shitting the bed here hurts.

    Oilers need that Dpair that can get the play going the right way.

    I’d like to see Sekera-Klef take a whack at it.

    Klef did not look like his normal mobile self last night.

    Dreamy/60 was quite low.

    He’s not healthy yet.

  21. TheGreatMcMutato says:

    Must say, I was disappointed with the doom-and-gloom in the comments last night – such that I quickly excused myself and proceeded to drink alone(r). Naturally, I’m pleased with the more positive tone this morning. Or maybe it’s just that Verdad is still in bed?

    No one expected the Oilers to come out of the gate with enough already figured out that they could stand above one of the best regular-season teams of the last several years, did they? Personally, I’m happy that they are facing tough opposition off the hop – gives the team a better idea of where the bar is set, and increases the possibility of defeating the weaker teams once they show up on the schedule.

    Anyways, the Oilers of last night appeared much better at breaking up the cycle or, at the very least, disrupting it. Unfortunately, they seemed no better at clearing the zone. Still, it’s a noticeable improvement and we can expect that the latter should improve. And how about that goalering?

  22. Woodguy says:

    G Money: Pretty much all teams have a hard time generating 5×5 offense in St Louis against St Louis.

    Last night I posted the context for the Oilers’ 48% CF% vs last years 45%, 43%, and 40%.i.e. way better than any of the games last year, especially the first, which was the 40%.

    Another bit of context: last year at home, the Blues averaged 53% CF%.On the road, the Oilers averaged 48%.

    So last nights CF% for the Oilers matched their road average from last year – i.e. they did as well against one of the best teams in the league vs what they averaged against *all* teams last year.

    Conversely, the Blue’s 52% is weaker than what they averaged against the all visiting teams last year.

    The point being that one of my expectations for this year is that the Oilers should establish themselves as a mid-tier team.

    To hit 48% CF and lose by one goal+EN to an elite veteran squad with stable coaching playing at home is the most anyone should have expected.

    In the light of day, I remain extremely satisfied with last nights result, double satisfied with the fact that neither the players nor the coach are satisfied, and out of my mind thrilled that Talbot is the real deal.

    Excellent post.

  23. stephen sheps says:

    Pretendergast:
    Hall had 2 rookies on his line and he’s never had to be the responsible presence on a line before.

    Give it a rest to any Hall hate or overreactions 1 game in.

    agreed… it’s early days yet, and carrying two rookies (albeit one super-rookie) including one who has a significant language barrier to overcome means that Taylor is being asked to do more and take on different responsibilities than in previous years, all while learning yet another new system is no easy task. Patience, friends. Patience.

    In TMac I trust.

  24. stephen sheps says:

    oliveoilers,

    several people were ripping on Hall last night – I think he was piggybacking off of the old thread a little

    that Purcell guy though…

    I kid, but Teddy had a rough night

  25. Jon K says:

    oliveoilers: Ermm, just re-read the thread and nobody has said anything detrimental about Hall.

    Hall’s crappy personality made Slepyshev look like a 20 y/o Russian rookie playing his first game in the NHL!

    For what it’s worth, I saw more stretches of structure in last night’s game than in the entire tenure of Dallas Eakins.

    There were long stretches where structure was abandoned and the Chinese fire drill resumed, but overall I think they look like a team with a chance. Let’s not forget that they played on the road against one of the best regular season teams in the NHL. A team with underrated skill to go along with its impressive size.

    I’m pretty happy with what I saw from the first game of the Chiarelli/McLellan era.

  26. Woodguy says:

    Bob McKenzie on Team 1260 (parphrased)

    “Hall plays with tunnel vision and that’s worked for him as he always takes the puck to the net. I’m not sure if that’s the right type of player to play with McDavid. I noticed in a pre-season game vs. Vancouver where McDavid was open for a goal side tap in and Hall took the shot”

  27. Hockey Buddha says:

    I kind of expected a loss against the Blues, given our current situations. The Oilers were in it, but couldn’t generate enough offense to beat a terrific goaltender.

    I really don’t mind Mclellan changing it up for d-zone starts. Our best puck-moving defenseman should be there to move the puck out of the defensive zone. They should be counted upon and looked to for reliability in all situations. Schultz is looking like a markedly different player compared to the player he was last season. He has quelled criticism with is solid play.

    Talbot seems to have found his game now, which is reassuring. When Hall arrives and this thing starts to click more, I think that we’ll be in for a bit of a ride. Huge player turn over and learning another new system, this isn’t a horrible start, all things considered.

  28. Johnny Larue says:

    What a difference goaltending makes. I am really optimistic after last nights showing they never gave up a had a chance until the end of the game. If this was last year we would have been down 4-0 after the first period and Backes would have been giving Nuge nuggies while the rest of the team stared at their feet. A game like last night shows you why Chia picked up Gryba.

  29. Woogie63 says:

    It seems like Reinhart/Gryba played lots of minutes against the Backes line (which might be the biggest skilled line in the NHL) and performed very well. To me both dman played heavy.

    Lander’s line is missing something to be more effective.

    Robin Lehner injury is a good reminder that we still don’t know about our backup goalie quality

    McDavid’s family in a box, Hall’s dad in the stands, is that interesting?

    Lowe shows up and sits next to Bob …. What Katz business is he attending to in St. Louis?

    Mrs. Katz bringing her dog to the game …..

  30. Clay says:

    Woodguy: Excellent post.

    Seconded.

    Three rookies in the lineup, 50% of the blueline are new faces, new coach, no Eberle (a big deal). So much change. They’ll only improve from here.

    The big takeaway – Talbot was very good. Had some help and there were some solid posts hit, but he was very good. If nothing else changes, that by itself has to mean ~ 10 points in the standings.

    If I had my druthers, I’d like to see Hall with RNH (and Eberle when he gets back), and stick Pou with McDavid. Both Hall and McDavid are natural puck carriers – and watching them try to figure out who should defer to whom is painful. It also limits what makes both players so dangerous – driving the play.

    Let McD drive the play with Pou (who is very effective without the puck), and let Hall go back to his happy place with RNH (and Eberle). Hall hasn’t been the same since coming back from injury last year and losing his place on that line.

    And while we’re at it, grab Hemmer back from Dallas and stick him on McD’s starboard side 🙂

  31. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy:
    Bob McKenzie on Team 1260 (parphrased)

    “Hall plays with tunnel vision and that’s worked for him as he always takes the puck to the net. I’m not sure if that’s the right type of player to play with McDavid. I noticed in a pre-season game vs. Vancouver where McDavid was open for a goal side tap in and Hall took the shot”

    That is a terrible narrative. Last year, I remember Hall also making a killer pass to Yak and some excellent PP passes too.

    Get an idea in your head, then select your supporting evidence whilst conveniently ignoring anything that contradicts it.

    Does Hall play a more direct style? Yes he does. But to subtly suggest that Hall is now a boat anchor for McDavid is disingenuous reporting.

    I’m a big Bobbie Mc fan, but that is one of his least thought out comments.

  32. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    LT, I think you’re off the mark in bitching about zone starts for the forward lines.

    Why did Lander’s line get 20% OZS (natural stattrick has them at 20%, not 0%)

    Because Fabbri-Letehra-Schwarz got 71.3% OZS and McLellan matches lines.

    I noticed Yak/Lander getting the shitty OZS in the pre-season too for some games?

    Why?

    McLellan is matching them to the soft scoring line from the other team and those lines usually get the OZS push (like Fabbri did last night.)

    Don’t get too hung up on the OZS% because you’ll drive yourself crazy.

    McLellan may consider it, but its not what drives his decisions, its matching.

    I expect Lander/Yak’s OZS% to flip when at home.

    It’s a mess. He has McDavid out with Gryba for Ozone starts? Line matching vs. using your talent to max volume is an interesting question but at some point you have to look at the decision that allows you to come up with this kind of number.

  33. Lowetide says:

    oliveoilers: That is a terrible narrative.Last year, I remember Hall also making a killer pass to Yak and some excellent PP passes too.

    Get an idea in your head, then select your supporting evidence whilst conveniently ignoring anything that contradicts it.

    Does Hall play a more direct style?Yes he does.But to subtly suggest that Hall is now a boat anchor for McDavid is disingenuous reporting.

    I’m a big Bobbie Mc fan, but that is one of his least thought out tweets.

    Yeah, agreed. Hall’s an outstanding passer. The Hall off McDavid line idea may in fact be a good one, but the verbal surrounding it currently is reaching bizarre levels.

  34. Pouzar says:

    zatch: but Gryba can’t piss a drop over his own blue,

    Not to state the obvious but you need to watch some Ference footage.
    Gryba looked like Bobby Orr compared to.

  35. oliveoilers says:

    Pouzar: Not to state the obvious but you need to watch some Ference footage.
    Gryba looked like Bobby Orr compared to.

    The Steve Staios Syndrome of getting vertigo crossing the half way line?

  36. Pouzar says:

    McSorley33: The numbers for the RNH, line sream out ‘Stop the Fight’.

    I think Eberle would have something to say about that line vs Backes.
    Look at the WOWY for Ebs/Nuge.
    We need Eberle.

  37. godot10 says:

    Woodguy:

    Klef did not look like his normal mobile self last night.

    Dreamy/60 was quite low.

    He’s not healthy yet.

    Klefbom missed the last 3 pre-season games…i.e. the ramp from training camp speed to regular season speed. The first game was always going to be tough. And it was in St. Louis.

  38. Pouzar says:

    G Money: Pretty much all teams have a hard time generating 5×5 offense in St Louis against St Louis.

    Last night I posted the context for the Oilers’ 48% CF% vs last years 45%, 43%, and 40%.i.e. way better than any of the games last year, especially the first, which was the 40%.

    Another bit of context: last year at home, the Blues averaged 53% CF%.On the road, the Oilers averaged 48%.

    So last nights CF% for the Oilers matched their road average from last year – i.e. they did as well against one of the best teams in the league vs what they averaged against *all* teams last year.

    Conversely, the Blue’s 52% is weaker than what they averaged against all visiting teams last year.

    The point being that one of my expectations for this year is that the Oilers should establish themselves as a mid-tier team.

    To hit 48% CF and lose by one goal+EN to an elite veteran squad with stable coaching playing at home is the most anyone should have expected.

    In the light of day, I remain extremely satisfied with last nights result, doubly satisfied with the fact that neither the players nor the coach are satisfied, and out of my mind thrilled that Talbot is the real deal [actually, let me rephrase that – I know he’s the real deal, but I’m thrilled that it doesn’t look like he’s going to fall victim to the dreaded starters dip, which after an extensive study of goaltenders, was a very real concern of mine].

    This. Great stuff. Context rules.

  39. su_dhillon says:

    I’m not sure i’m down with the this Hall can’t play with Mcdavid business. Maybe he has played a certain way before but I’m sure he did so because that was the most effective way to get results. This is new, it may take longer than a few weeks but Hall is very good offensive player and I’m sure nobody wants this to work more than he does, he will figure it out. They both will.

    The Gryba Reinhart pairing is going to have a hell of a time getting the puck up ice, the few times it happened the C’s did a great job of getting very low in their own end and then carrying it out. That pair is less than ideal but hen again which one is ideal.

  40. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: It’s a mess. He has McDavid out with Gryba for Ozone starts? Line matching vs. using your talent to max volume is an interesting question but at some point you have to look at the decision that allows you to come up with this kind of number.

    For forwards:
    Zone start matching maximizes short term potential.
    Line matching maximizes long term potential.

    You develop a better overall forward line matching vs. zone start matching.

    McLellan line matches forwards, and zone start matches D. He is what he is. That is how he how he developed his solid coaching track record. Why do you want him to be something that he is not, and change philosophies now.

  41. Pouzar says:

    Folks this D is orders of magnitude better than that starting crew last year and it’s not close. Happy Days. I missed the game last night but boy is my liver ever gonna take a beating in these next two nights. Tonight? GO CONDORS GO!!!!!!!!!!!

  42. speeds says:

    I also would be surprised if Hall can’t play with McDavid, but at the same time I don’t find it too hard to imagine EDM looking something like:

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-McDavid-Purcell
    Korpikoski/Yakupov-Lander-Yakupov/Slepyshev

    assuming Eberle is back and no one else is injured.

  43. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    I also would be surprised if Hall can’t play with McDavid, but at the same time I don’t find it too hard to imagine EDM looking something like:

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-McDavid-Purcell
    Korpikoski/Yakupov-Lander-Yakupov/Slepyshev

    assuming Eberle is back and no one else is injured.

    Rational look, plus it gives the team a chance to reunite a line they know works. I suspect they’ll find their way, we’re all agreed it’s 20 games before panic, right?

  44. Lowetide says:

    godot10: For forwards:
    Zone start matching maximizes short term potential.
    Line matching maximizes long term potential.

    You develop a better overall forward line matching vs. zone start matching.

    McLellan line matches forwards, and zone start matches D.He is what he is.That is how he how he developed his solid coaching track record.Why do you want him to be something that he is not, and change philosophies now.

    McLellan played Reinhart more than anyone at evens last night, suggesting to me his in-game management is similar to Scot Bowman (go with the guy who is playing well). That works in regard to Klefbom as well, who was not himself.

  45. Psyche says:

    I think it’s about time to address the bias that Nail faces. He has been one of the best forwards on the Oilers from preseason thru to now. He makes mistakes, as do they all, but there are so many plus arrows. From my limited perspective it appears that he has to prove himself more than others. I don’t know what type of bias he is facing within the organization but it is apparent. It also becomes apparent that the majority of the media has a bias against him, based on their mostly subjective narratives.

  46. GriffCity says:

    Good effort but essentially a 3-0 shutout loss if we don’t count the fluke own-goal by Pietrangelo.

    Didn’t think the Oilers were going to register a shot in the first until they started shooting from all over. Not every shot had a real chance to score but i’ll take it.

    Thought Gryba was the teams best D-man last night with Jultz being second best. Sekera was decent but made an arrant pass under no pressure which led to substantial offensive pressure form the Blues.

    Klefbom needs to be much better. Missed an assignment on the opening shift and Talbot had to bail him out, and made a nifty little drop pass right to Teresenko in his own zone which almost led to another goal.

    Purcell should not be playing top 6, but could be effective on 3rd line.

    I’d consider this forward line-up for Nashville:

    Hall – Nuge – Slepy

    Pouliot – McDavid – Yak

    Hendricks – Lander – Purcell

    Korpikoski – Letestu – Klinkhamer

  47. Atc-Nate says:

    Lowetide: Rational look, plus it gives the team a chance to reunite a line they know works. I suspect they’ll find their way, we’re all agreed it’s 20 games before panic, right?

    If you read the comments section elsewhere, the panic time is NOW. I agree though, let’s give it time!

  48. speeds says:

    Also interesting OT note, Petan scored his first goal last night, in my mind he’s tied to the MacT 2013 trade downs* as he’s the guy I wanted EDM to pick at 37.

    * Which I generally like as a strategy, although in this specific case I would have drafted Petan – and I think EDM did pretty well with their resultant picks.

  49. GriffCity says:

    It also occurs to me that just about every Oilers forward is left handed.

  50. Pouzar says:

    speeds:
    Also interesting OT note, Petan scored his first goal last night, in my mind he’s tied to the MacT 2013 trade downs* as he’s the guy I wanted EDM to pick at 37.

    * Which I generally like as a strategy, although in this specific case I would have drafted Petan – and I think EDM did pretty well with their resultant picks.

    He had a 33% CF with 100 ZS%.
    Just sayin.

  51. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Rational look, plus it gives the team a chance to reunite a line they know works. I suspect they’ll find their way, we’re all agreed it’s 20 games before panic, right?

    I don’t think anyone here (regulars) are panicking.

    We are just doing what we do.

    Grind every piece of data to dust and speculate.

    IT’S MY HOBBY!!!!

  52. hunter1909 says:

    Last night’s reaction, including mine reminds me of a scene in John Ford’s classic western “My Darling Clementine” where the long-suffering townspeople of Tombstone Arizona, bored shitless by endless terrible entertainment prepare to tar and feather a bad actor.

    This includes any/all of the “Where’s Taylor Hall?” arguments.

    Fact is, the team looked pretty bloody decent.

  53. GB&Q says:

    Gryba only played 14 minutes? seemed like he was on the ice constantly. Sure had the puck a lot. He wasn’t terrible.

    I’ve been in a friend’s yearly hockey pool for 17 years straight. This year, for the first time ever, the group decided to not draft a ‘goon’.

    Which brings me to Gazdic. 8 minutes TOI, a couple of decent shifts, altho he was a bit of a mess in the first half of the game. Just doesn’t seem like great return on investment (if the commentary in game about his ‘potential’ as a regular is to be believed). Give me Klink, and definitely give me Leon instead.

    Too soon to pull the chute on Sleppy, but #29 would have been a help offensively last night.

    Also, i reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally wanna see YakDavid.

    Taylor, Connor and Nail, and damn the torpedos!!

  54. Pouzar says:

    GB&Q: Too soon to pull the chute on Sleppy

    Ya think?

    Tough crowd.

  55. rickithebear says:

    The OT rules are new!
    OT will be decid quite diffrently than 4X4 and SO.

    Our first 25 gm with opponents teams record (home or away)
    OT/SOW removed from wins and just added as OT

    @ STL 21 reg win-12 reg losses-9 ot gm
    Loss 3-1 with ENG
    @ NSH 19-9-13
    @ DAL 16-16-9
    VS STL 17-12-12
    —————————— nasty start to schedule
    @ CGY 18-13-10
    @ VCR 16-15-10
    VS DET 15-15-11
    VS WSH 17-13-11
    VS LAK 15-18-8
    ——————— alot of winnable games
    @ MIN 19-13-9 oh well!
    VS MTL 18-13-10
    VS CGY 14-17-10
    VS PHI 8-20-13
    VS PIT 14-13-14
    —————————— Alot more winnable
    @ CHI 17-12-12
    @ ANA 20-12-9
    @ ARZ 6-25-10
    @ LAK 22-9-10
    VS CHI 19-16-6
    ——————————– Oh well!
    VS NJD 12-22-7
    @ WSH 18-13-10
    @CAR 14-16-4
    @ DET 16-15-10
    @ PIT 19-14-8
    @ TOR 16-17-8
    —————————– 6 more winnable again.

    My best case is 12-8-5 29/50
    My worst case 6-14-5 17/50
    mid way 9-11-5 23/50
    havingplayed 10 HM and 15 RD

  56. admiralmark says:

    Woodguy: Bob McKenzie on Team 1260 (parphrased)“Hall plays with tunnel vision and that’s worked for him as he always takes the puck to the net. I’m not sure if that’s the right type of player to play with McDavid. I noticed in a pre-season game vs. Vancouver where McDavid was open for a goal side tap in and Hall took the shot”

    Happened last night as well. Hall down left wing McDavid open on right side of net. The pass was there. Hall takes the shot. Not to harp on a player taking a shot when they have it. But the pass to McDavid had a higher chance to result in a goal.

  57. su_dhillon says:

    Btw anyone catch Ales last night? Looks fully recovered from surgery, scored a beauty, set up a beauty and had a 78% CF with 33 ZS. Would love to see this as a start to a great bounce back season.

  58. kinger_OIL says:

    – Stupid question but does 3×3 scoring show up in Regular season stats, and GAA for goaler?

  59. wheatnoil says:

    Woodguy: I don’t think anyone here (regulars) are panicking.

    THE PTA HAS DISBANDED!!

    *jumps out the window*

  60. LoDog says:

    I hope they try someone else with McDavid. He and Hall have had zero chemistry from the start.

    Hall has not been good so far. I played the drink when Hall falls down game last night at the bar, surprised I made it into work today.

  61. G Money says:

    I think we need to give Hall just a little bit of time before we panic about his not being able to click with a new system and his brand new line.

    I say we give him one more game, and if he doesn’t get a hat trick, trade the lazy character-less bastard.

  62. G Money says:

    wheatnoil,

    Self-defenestration. It’s a thing.

  63. Pajamah says:

    G Money:
    I think we need to give Hall just a little bit of time before we panic about his not being able to click with a new system and his brand new line.

    I say we give him one more game, and if he doesn’t get a hat trick, trade the lazy character-less bastard.

    *Shrieks in terror*

  64. Atc-Nate says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – Stupid question but does 3×3 scoring show up in Regular season stats, and GAA for goaler?

    Yes

  65. Woodguy says:

    Woogie63,

    Oilers TOI – Corsi vs. Backes last night: (sorted by TOI vs. Backes)

    Griffin Reinhart 7:52 – 38
    Eric Gryba 6:27 – 33
    Oscar Klefbom 5:10 – 30
    Justin Schultz 4:19 – 33
    Mark Fayne 2:06 – 50
    Andrej Sekera 1:57 – 33

    Taylor Hall 6:38 – 23
    Connor McDavid 5:44 – 31
    Lauri Korpikoski 4:48 – 42
    Anton Lander 4:08 – 44
    Teddy Purcell 4:08 – 38
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 3:47 – 50
    Anton Slepyshev 3:34 – 25
    Benoit Pouliot 3:02 – 33
    Matt Hendricks 2:58 – 25
    Nail Yakupov 2:46 – 63 —–Woot!
    Luke Gazdic 1:12 – 0
    Mark Letestu 1:06 – 0

    Hmmmm

    Griff and Gryba with the most time vs Backes?

    Wonder if it was due to Large and Heavy?

  66. Frank the dog says:

    1) I’m comfortable with my 74 point prediction.
    2) I’m equally comfortable with my assumption that the unconditional directive from the bat cave is to field a competitive team to open the new stadium, no matter what it takes. Including compromised seasons at the Coliseum. For this year it would not surprise me – and in the absence of facts that’s as far as I can go – if the directive is try to succeed enough so we keep the core together and not have the fans march on hq. If this were the first year at the new arena I wonder whether Drai and Darnell would not have been in the starting lineup, so while I understand the ripening, I do not believe we are fielding the best players on the 50 man roster right now.
    3) We lost last night, worse than we did on November 28th, 2014. That game was an OT loss, we took them all the way. This was a 3-0/1 loss.
    4) Playing your players in their area of weakness early in the season is one way I suppose to see just how weak they really are.
    5) Purcell was in the process of being waived by one of the better GM’s in the league when we got him. Regardless of who he played with It would be interesting if the BOTB + the dementor were collectively smarter than Shanahan. I never thought Purcell was suitable any longer for top 9 duties when we got him and still believe that after last night. If we want to play better then put the best available players on the team.
    6) By the look of things we need one puck carrier per line. Put Hall on the Lander line with Yak on the other side. Replace Purcell with Drai and use some combination not involving Purcell on the top two lines.
    But, this is now, and for once I have trust in the management and coaching staff, just not this season. I will only be disappointed with less than 74 points.

  67. G Money says:

    Hey WG, was it you that said last night you were working on a project to try and figure out a way to assess defensemen?

    I think I might take Rex’s advice to publish publish publish, but in case I don’t, this little study I did will be of interest to you.

    I am bending my brain on much the same thing. Defensemen break fancystats, they really do. Unlike with forwards, where a single number provides useful information, anda handful of key numbers together provide a decent player profile, I have no such confidence in those same numbers applied to defensemen.

    So I did a little experiment, where I looked at a half dozen or so common measures for defensemen and compared them to a subjective list of ‘top defensemen’ picked by MSM. Since the subjective list was ranked 1 to 25, I took the list of measures, and calculated how those same D ranked against the league via that measure.

    I then used what is called a Spearman rank correlation to see how well they stacked up.

    Here’s how that looks:

    TOI rho = 0.604615384615 pval = 0.00136766613404
    P60 rho = -0.0553846153846 pval = 0.792591224987
    CF% rho = 0.234615384615 pval = 0.258954600761
    CA60 rho = 0.158461538462 pval = 0.44932315248
    CFRel rho = 0.285439512878 pval = 0.166632801507
    CA60Rel rho = 0.23 pval = 0.268711462374
    GF rho = 0.141538461538 pval = 0.499757638691
    HSCA60 rho = 0.101538461538 pval = 0.629129959336
    dCorsi rho = 0.2 pval = 0.337792673998

    (rho is the Spearman correlation coefficient, its interpretation is the same as a standard Pearson correlation, as is the p-value).

    Note that the *only* measure that has a good correlation (0.6 is very good in hockey terms) and is statistically significant is TOI.

    Nothing else comes close.

    Might be food for thought as you’re looking at hybrid measures.

  68. Магия 10 says:

    G Money:
    I think we need to give Hall just a little bit of time before we panic about his not being able to click with a new system and his brand new line.

    I say we give him one more game, and if he doesn’t get a hat trick, trade the lazy character-less bastard.

    By game 3 I expect Dellows to complete his analysis and then TMac to tell Hall to not overthink all the stuff they told him and do what he knows how to do. Why waste half a season.

  69. G Money says:

    Frank the dog: 3) We lost last night, worse than we did on November 28th, 2014. That game was an OT loss, we took them all the way. This was a 3-0/1 loss.

    Just FYI, on Nov 28th, the team CF% was 39.8%, and the Oilers were outshot 32-15.

    The idea that it was close because it went to OT is completely misleading. It was utter dominance on the part of the Blues.

  70. Bag of Pucks says:

    G Money:
    I think we need to give Hall just a little bit of time before we panic about his not being able to click with a new system and his brand new line.

    I say we give him one more game, and if he doesn’t get a hat trick, trade the lazy character-less bastard.

    That’s some Tambellini-esque dithering!

  71. wheatnoil says:

    Woodguy:
    Woogie63,

    Oilers TOI – Corsi vs. Backes last night: (sorted by TOI vs. Backes)

    Griffin Reinhart 7:52 – 38
    Eric Gryba 6:27 – 33
    Oscar Klefbom 5:10 – 30
    Justin Schultz 4:19 – 33
    Mark Fayne 2:06 – 50
    Andrej Sekera 1:57 – 33

    …..

    Griff and Gryba with the most time vs Backes?

    Wonder if it was due to Large and Heavy?

    Hitch had last change so It could also be that he was trying to avoid Sekera and Fayne.

  72. Магия 10 says:

    G Money: Note that the *only* measure that has a good correlation (0.6 is very good in hockey terms) and is statistically significant is TOI.

    I think quality of opposition studies end up zeroing in on TOI as well. How does TOI adjusted for score effects do. i.e. a jultz on a bad team may have artificially high toi due to score effects.

  73. fifthcartel says:

    I think this is a much improved team. It’s one game but 48% corsi against St. Louis on the road with no Eberle and a likely not 100% Klefbom seems like a good start.

    I said it last night, but I think they’ll have a strong game against Nashville. Nashville has a good defense but there forwards are pretty unspectacular. If they put Ribiero against RNH than I’m excited to see McDavid against Fisher/Hodgson/Gaustad.

  74. G Money says:

    Магия 10,

    It’s a fair question. Score effects played a part for Jultz, but I think he’s an exception. I think the place where TOI fails in the broader sense as a singular measure is in a case like Jultz, not by score effects, but where the coach of a really bad team has no better options. Really good deep teams will presumably have the opposite effect, with TOI more evenly shared.

    But the fact that it is the only measure with statistical validity (at least against a subjective MSM list, which to my eyes is decent though certainly not great) doesn’t surprise me.

    When I wrote a NerdAlert a while back looking at development timelines for elite D, I looked at a handful of different ways of defining “elite” – and ended up using plain old TOI to help select the list. Everything else gave me a jumble.

  75. G Money says:

    The list I used of D is here:
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/and-now-for-something-completely-serious–top-25-nhl-defensemen-rankings-for-2015-16-203303273-nhl.html

    And if you want to look at the spreadsheet (CSV format) where I collated the rank data for the study, you can download it here:
    https://app.box.com/s/c6kuafx9v2pdo27e7lp7kmfc89ujyjna

  76. dustrock says:

    Stupid question regarding Suter’s famous quote about possessing the puck: is this why Klefa and Jultz got the rough zone starts? Get your best skating D the chance to move the puck out.

  77. RexLibris says:

    G Money:
    Hey WG, was it you that said last night you were working on a project to try and figure out a way to assess defensemen?

    I think I might take Rex’s advice to publish publish publish, but in case I don’t, this little study I did will be of interest to you.

    I am bending my brain on much the same thing.Defensemen break fancystats, they really do.Unlike with forwards, where a single number provides useful information, anda handful of key numbers together provide a decent player profile, I have no such confidence in those same numbers applied to defensemen.

    So I did a little experiment, where I looked at a half dozen or so common measures for defensemen and compared them to a subjective list of ‘top defensemen’ picked by MSM.Since the subjective list was ranked 1 to 25, I took the list of measures, and calculated how those same D ranked against the league via that measure.

    I then used what is called a Spearman rank correlation to see how well they stacked up.

    Here’s how that looks:

    TOI rho =0.604615384615 pval =0.00136766613404
    P60 rho =-0.0553846153846 pval =0.792591224987
    CF% rho =0.234615384615 pval =0.258954600761
    CA60 rho =0.158461538462 pval =0.44932315248
    CFRel rho =0.285439512878 pval =0.166632801507
    CA60Rel rho =0.23 pval =0.268711462374
    GF rho =0.141538461538 pval =0.499757638691
    HSCA60 rho =0.101538461538 pval =0.629129959336
    dCorsi rho =0.2 pval =0.337792673998

    (rho is the Spearman correlation coefficient, its interpretation is the same as a standard Pearson correlation, as is the p-value).

    Note that the *only* measure that has a good correlation (0.6 is very good in hockey terms) and is statistically significant is TOI.

    Nothing else comes close.

    Might be food for thought as you’re looking at hybrid measures.

    Some things to consider when publishing this:

    – provide some definitions or explanations so that the casual reader can follow your line of reasoning. My experience with early analytics was having to constantly refer back to learn terms.

    – keep in mind, defensemen are a reflection, more than any other player, of a coach’s impact on the game. We know coaches generally work to prevent GA and scheme offensive situations that lead to but do not guarantee GF. So D TOI is going to be a reflection of that coach’s strategem and his own evaluation of assets. Fans here know damned well that the best defenseman may not get the most TOI, or even be dressed for that matter.

    – I still think that defensemen, due to their wide variety of skill sets, require a collage of statistical categories to properly assess and that in the end we’ll be looking more at something like the spider graphs here than a Vollman or HERO chart.

    – My point about publishing is that you are working on projects and searching for answers. That is the point for the readership – the journey and process, rather than the result. I get that it means opening up your work for others to take and build upon or perhaps scoop you to a result, but that is the danger of working online in a highly collaborative environment. What I learned in my working environment and have adopted for the blogging world is that in the end you own nothing of what you do. It is shared, adopted, adapted, manipulated, improved-upon, misunderstood, applied and mis-applied, and hopefully through it all it is referenced to source. I used to try and only submit “finished” works, ideas and arguments that I felt were as air-tight as I could make them, but realized that in doing so I was missing my window and missing the point.

    Anyway, you’ve made some excellent points here and I’m looking forward to reading up on your progress with the D assessment.

    BTW – I put a bug in Rob Vollman’s ear about your adapted NHLE and sent him a link to your site. Just thought I should bring attention to your analysis and the results as I think you are on to something there in breaking down the draft not only by league of origin but also by way of draft order.

  78. RexLibris says:

    Hon. mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey 8m8 minutes ago

    My TL is a wall of horrified Jays fans with the odd gleeful Expos fan popping up.

    Is LT trolling Dellow?

  79. McSorley33 says:

    Someone posted the D pairings from last year….

    If that is the bar that you set for yourself – the 2015 Oilers are going to really exceed your
    expectations.

    Some might say that is a really, really low bar.

  80. Lowetide says:

    dustrock:
    Stupid question regarding Suter’s famous quote about possessing the puck: is this why Klefa and Jultz got the rough zone starts?Get your best skating D the chance to move thepuck out.

    Theory, and it’s a good one, your puck passers being in the Dzone gives you a better chance for the successful outlet pass.

  81. Pouzar says:

    fifthcartel: Nashville has a good defense but there forwards are pretty unspectacular.

    NSH sucked last night. Penne OTOH…

  82. Frank the dog says:

    McSorley33:
    Someone posted the D pairings from last year….

    If that is the bar that you set for yourself – the 2015 Oilers are going to really exceed your
    expectations.

    Some might say that is a really, really low bar.

    My bar is for them to equal or exceed Tom Renney’s 2nd year points.

  83. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    LT I think you chose a key word in regard to Reinhart, but I think that one word is critical to this team moving forward. That word is TIMID.

    I’ve watched the Oilers for a long long time. What has bothered me the very most is that whoever the coach has been, whoever the players, the goaltenders,D or forwards, this team seems to have a culture of being timid. I’ve said this before, they have to learn to physically finish all checks. This creates space and time. As long as the forwards and let’s face it it’s not as though they are all Martin St. Louis sized are content to wave their stick and turn away, there will NEVER be room for any of the fancy plays we are all expecting from what amounts to an entire team of first overall forwards.

    Timid is killing this team. Timid is what makes the Oilers look like losers and makes them the target of derision from the entire league. They want space, time, and fear from the other team that these talented forwards are going to eviscerate the opposition – then they should play with some physical presence. Create the room to work by making the opposing players PAY for every bit of ice. Other teams do this all the time.

    Watching every single Oiler fall down, wave a stick turn away or just plain get hammered with no pushback is really really tiring. Look how good Hemsky looked last night? He has room to work and can show his talent. For years all he got from this club was the joy of having his ass handed to him by Regehr and the joy of his teammates looking away and doing F all.

    The game is physical. They could try to engage, sure as hell what they have done so far hasn’t really been working.

    When my son played one year he made a Rep team at Novice. In Ontario that year they decided to introduce hitting at that level. After a few games I started telling my son to “be a missile not a target”. Seems ridiculous to have to say it but the Oilers could all take a lesson from Novice. Start being missiles, quit being passive targets.

    I’m sure I’ll get thrashed here for this, but I’m tired of the Oilers being the laughing stock of the entire NHL and before someone says it’s only one game I’m really talking about 9 years or more of this not last night.

  84. delooper says:

    GriffCity:
    It also occurs to me that just about every Oilers forward is left handed.

    Connor McDavid is not *really* left handed!

  85. delooper says:

    But who would surrender to the Dread Pirate McDavid?

  86. Магия 10 says:

    Fav. moment last night was Serious Gord calling in with saw him bad on Reinhart and crowing how accurate his quote confirmation bias unquote is. Bat shit crazy.

  87. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    McSorley33:
    Someone posted the D pairings from last year….

    If that is the bar that you set for yourself – the 2015 Oilers are going to really exceed your
    expectations.

    Some might say that is a really, really low bar.

    You know, that’s kinda funny.

    There are basically two things from last season we all agree on, but never in the same conversation.

    1. The D lineup at the start of the year last year was atrocious, especially when you factor in TOI splits. (Hunt in the lineup is bad, Hunt with Schultz is worse, Hunt w/ Schultz at 24 minutes is worst). There seems to be consensus on this point.

    2. We played pretty well all in all in the first chunk of the season but got sunk by atrocious goaltending. The opener against the flames being the poster child for this.

    Those two thoughts don’t lineup all that well.

    Let me be clear, I’m not saying I think otherwise.

  88. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Walter Gretzkys Neighbour:
    LT I think you chose a key word in regard to Reinhart, but I think that one word is critical to this team moving forward. That word is TIMID.

    I’ve watched the Oilers for a long long time. What has bothered me the very most is that whoever the coach has been, whoever the players, the goaltenders,D or forwards, this team seems to have a culture of being timid. I’ve said this before, they have to learn to physically finish all checks. This creates space and time.As long as the forwards and let’s face it it’s not as though they are all Martin St. Louis sized are content to wave their stick and turn away, there will NEVER be room for any of the fancy plays we are all expecting from what amounts to an entire team of first overall forwards.

    Timid is killing this team. Timid is what makes the Oilers look like losers and makes them the target of derision from the entire league. They want space, time, and fear from the other team that these talented forwards are going to eviscerate the opposition – then they should play with some physical presence. Create the room to work by making the opposing players PAY for every bit of ice. Other teams do this all the time.

    Watching every single Oiler fall down, wave a stick turn away or just plain get hammered with no pushback is really really tiring. Look how good Hemsky looked last night? He has room to work and can show his talent. For years all he got from this club was the joy of having his ass handed to him by Regehr and the joy of his teammates looking away and doing F all.

    The game is physical. They could try to engage, sure as hell what they have done so far hasn’t really been working.

    When my son played one year he made a Rep team at Novice. In Ontario that year they decided to introduce hitting at that level. After a few games I started telling my son to “be a missile not a target”. Seems ridiculous to have to say it but the Oilers could all take a lesson from Novice. Start being missiles, quit being passive targets.

    I’m sure I’ll get thrashed here for this, but I’m tired of the Oilers being the laughing stock of the entire NHL and before someone says it’s only one game I’m really talking about 9 years or more of this not last night.

    You know what might help?

    Cocaine.

    I wonder if anyone has brought this up….

  89. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: You know what might help?

    Cocaine.

    I wonder if anyone has brought this up….

    They could always call Jared Stoll….

  90. linkfromhyrule says:

    Walter Gretzkys Neighbour: I’m sure I’ll get thrashed here for this, but I’m tired of the Oilers being the laughing stock of the entire NHL and before someone says it’s only one game I’m really talking about 9 years or more of this not last night.

    Just curious, but did you watch the same game I did? I thought that was one of the only times EVER that the Oil haven’t been pushed around by the Blues. Timid is not the word I had in mind to describe that performance. The vets, Gryba, and Reinhart especially took it to them and did not let anything go. I loved Hendricks whacking Elliot with his stick, about time the Oilers started giving back what we get.

    Imo one of the biggest problems with last night was the numerous uncalled obstruction and interference calls on St Louis. Makes me want to put my tin foil hat on and scream about conspiracies every time we play an American team at home.

  91. John Chambers says:

    speeds:
    I also would be surprised if Hall can’t play with McDavid, but at the same time I don’t find it too hard to imagine EDM looking something like:

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-McDavid-Purcell
    Korpikoski/Yakupov-Lander-Yakupov/Slepyshev

    assuming Eberle is back and no one else is injured.

    One thing the Oilers couldn’t do last night, with the exception of the 4th line, was cycle the puck.

    The ‘chosen line’ cycles the puck like a dream. During the Kruger season you could bet on these guys to own the puck in the o-zone and generate chances shift after shift.

    I’d like to see Yakupov with McDavid. IMO 97 needs a shooter and a big body, so 67-97-10 seem, at least in theory to be a workable combination.

    Also agree on Petan – him and Ehlers are going to give the opposition fits with their speed and skill. Petan’s mom is a hairstylist on South Granville in Vancouver. She gave me a haircut on Canada Day and we talked about how incredible the True North organization is and how lucky her son was to be drafted by Los Jets.

  92. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    I love the enthusiasm and investment around the Oilers on Lowetide. Its a great forum you have LT.

    I’m not personally fussed on their first game. They drew one of the true heavyweights in terms of talent and size and that team is a model of what they should aspire to get too. I could feel the nervousness on the Oilers side to get going – so much new for them. You can read almost nothing into that first game dynamic as its iteration one of the structure, game plan, systems, camaraderie and culture McClellan and Chiarelli will build over time. I say observe, enjoy and hold judgment until game 10. At that point, I think we can consider ourselves ‘out of the starting blocks’ and the real work on harnessing what is fully expected is demanded without compromise. Until then, they are still sorting things out. I have the utmost confidence McClellan is the man to have the experience and sense of ‘when and how’.

  93. G Money says:

    RexLibris,

    Fair points all.

    Interesting to note that your point about publishing project work – I’m actually all in for that. In addition to writing the project up, I usually try to make all of my data files and everything else available for other people to either confirm, deny, or build on the work. I suppose if I get ‘scooped’ by someone at some point using my own stuff I met get a bit peeved, but I also think I might be delighted.

    It’s actually your first point that makes me reluctant to publish. I agree, not only is it a necessity to include background definitions, information and links, but also writing for clarity. I end up rewriting dozens of times. So I might spend ten hours of time on the coding and analysis for a project – and three times that much just on polishing the presentation (that includes the writing as well as the visualizations if any)!

  94. John Chambers says:

    Frank the dog: My bar is for them to equal or exceed Tom Renney’s 2nd year points.

    That’s a low bar. They drafted 1st OV after that year.

  95. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    linkfromhyrule: Just curious, but did you watch the same game I did? I thought that was one of the only times EVER that the Oil haven’t been pushed around by the Blues. Timid is not the word I had in mind to describe that performance. The vets, Gryba, and Reinhart especially took it to them and did not let anything go. I loved Hendricks whacking Elliot with his stick, about time the Oilers started giving back what we get.

    Imo one of the biggest problems with last night was the numerous uncalled obstruction and interference calls on St Louis. Makes me want to put my tin foil hat on and scream about conspiracies every time we play an American team at home.

    Ok maybe that rant was fuelled by watching the Blue jays start the game with some of the dumbest play I’ve ever seen…. So yes I did see last night and indeed they weren’t being pushed around as they often are.

    What I was expressing was frustration at players not finishing checks with the acknowledged exceptions of a few. Plus I really hate guys like Backes and Ott running roughshod over our talent. I’d like that to be a thing of the past.

    So actually I thank you for talking in me in off the ledge! I admit I wasn’t being rational!

  96. Drew says:

    GriffCity:
    Good effort but essentially a 3-0 shutout loss if we don’t count the fluke own-goal by Pietrangelo.

    Didn’t think the Oilers were going to register a shot in the first until they started shooting from all over. Not every shot had a real chance to score but i’ll take it.

    Thought Gryba was the teams best D-man last night with Jultz being second best. Sekera was decent but made an arrant pass under no pressure which led to substantial offensive pressure form the Blues.

    Klefbom needs to be much better. Missed an assignment on the opening shift and Talbot had to bail him out, and made a nifty little drop pass right to Teresenko in his own zone which almost led to another goal.

    Purcell should not be playing top 6, but could be effective on 3rd line.

    I’d consider this forward line-up for Nashville:

    Hall – Nuge – Slepy

    Pouliot – McDavid – Yak

    Hendricks – Lander – Purcell

    Korpikoski – Letestu– Klinkhamer

    Was going to jump all over you at the start of your post, but i won’t. Still you can’t remove one goal from one side of the ledger without it effects on the whole. I do think your line up makes a great deal of sense.

    I thought Gadzooks played very good and was a presence that was needed against the evil Blues. Also seemed that Gryba/Griff was out with McD an awful lot, was this making sure there was a physical presence on the ice whenever McD was?

  97. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy:
    Woogie63,

    Oilers TOI – Corsi vs. Backes last night: (sorted by TOI vs. Backes)

    Griffin Reinhart 7:52 – 38
    Eric Gryba 6:27 – 33
    Oscar Klefbom 5:10 – 30
    Justin Schultz 4:19 – 33
    Mark Fayne 2:06 – 50
    Andrej Sekera 1:57 – 33

    Taylor Hall 6:38 – 23
    Connor McDavid 5:44 – 31
    Lauri Korpikoski 4:48 – 42
    Anton Lander 4:08 – 44
    Teddy Purcell 4:08 – 38
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 3:47 – 50
    Anton Slepyshev 3:34 – 25
    Benoit Pouliot 3:02 – 33
    Matt Hendricks 2:58 – 25
    Nail Yakupov 2:46 – 63 —–Woot!
    Luke Gazdic 1:12 – 0
    Mark Letestu 1:06 – 0

    Hmmmm

    Griff and Gryba with the most time vs Backes?

    Wonder if it was due to Large and Heavy?

    Back in the summer I mentioned playing Hall-McD would draw Backes and that might not be optimal.

    Better Hll-RNH-Eberle to give McD some easier sledding to start his career.

    With Nuge managing a 50% vs Backes I was probably right.

    Even Crosby had 26 games of Lemiuex to give him a bit of cover to start.

  98. Drew says:

    Pouzar: Not to state the obvious but you need to watch some Ference footage.
    Gryba looked like Bobby Orr compared to.

    true dat

  99. Melman says:

    rickithebear,

    That seems pretty fair.

  100. Remote says:

    “Imo one of the biggest problems with last night was the numerous uncalled obstruction and interference calls on St Louis.”

    ^^^This.

    Also, cross-checks galore, hits from behind, hooking, and holding, in addition to the pick plays everywhere on the ice. So frustrating to watch. (The Canucks look like fair play advocates by comparison to this team.)

    The NHL says it wants to protect players, and add speed and scoring to games–really???

    I’m not sure how the game might have turned out with even 25% of the penalties called, but I suspect St. Louis would have had to rely more on the depth and skill of their team to win, rather than the deliberately selective non-officiating.

    By the way, NHL, if no one is making calls, why do we need two officials?

  101. linkfromhyrule says:

    Walter Gretzkys Neighbour: So actually I thank you for talking in me in off the ledge! I admit I wasn’t being rational!

    Haha fair enough! Happens to everyone at some point. Let’s just take solace in the fact we didn’t lose 6-0 with an injury to someone in the top 6. Agreed about Backes and Ott, but seeing Reinhart plaster Backes made me feel better.

  102. russ99 says:

    IMO McLellan with the ZS is trying to prove a point the the players:

    Everyone on the roster to some extent has to be able to handle all ZS and all Comp at a two-way level.

    And I thought everyone pretty much did, other than Klefbom being shaky after time away (never thought I’d see Schultz covering for him) and Purcell in the o-zone. It’s a bit painful now, but it will really pay off later.

    Plus you can’t line match for the most part on the road anyway.

    Not going to bitch too much on the winning goal, but a combination of three things were to blame:
    multiple forwards couldn’t clear it out of the zone, Klefbom was way out of position and overplayed his man and Schultz went down to block covering for Klef and couldn’t get up and over quick enough to make a clean play on Fabbri.

    Can’t lay it all on the D-pair,

  103. Pouzar says:

    Remote,

    Cross checking has got to be one of the most arbitrarily called penalties in the NHL.

  104. linkfromhyrule says:

    Remote: The NHL says it wants to protect players, and add speed and scoring to games–really???

    It’s honestly infuriating. It is amazing the cognitive dissonance that the league displays wrt referees and non-calls. “We want more scoring” while simultaneously allowing referees to swallow their whistles for long periods of the game. I was really hoping that after the lowest scoring year in many years the NHL would finally clamp down on this, even a bit. I read a quote from one of the Sedins expressing the same sentiment. Call a penalty when there is a penalty. Scoring will take off, and I doubt you will see St. Louis so high in the standings any more. I don’t understand the reasoning behind not calling penalties when they happen.

  105. delooper says:

    Remote:
    “Imo one of the biggest problems with last night was the numerous uncalled obstruction and interference calls on St Louis.”

    ^^^This.

    Meh. Good teams know how the rules are enforced and play to those particulars. Bad teams can be bad because they’re stuck in their own universe’s interpretation of the rules.

  106. blainer says:

    I can’t wait for the day that we get Yak2 and Kahira up. We need those big bodies for those types of teams.. Oh and lets go jays.. 4 to 3 Jays Top of the sixth..

  107. Water Fire says:

    I wasn’t able to watch the whole game – outlaws – but I was impressed by what I saw. There were breakdowns, inexperience showed, but it was miles better than last year already. Talbot played a normal game, it’s much more fun to watch when you expect saves on routine shots. Can’t imagine how the players felt.

    If McLellan can get those forwards working together they are going to have a lot of teams hair going straight back, man they have a lot of attack there if it can be directed. It won’t be long and they’ll be at least as good as the more plugger Blues.

  108. Pouzar says:

    blainer:
    I can’t wait for the day that we get Yak2 and Kahira up. We need those big bodies for those types of teams.. Oh and lets go jays.. 4 to 3 Jays Top of the sixth..

    You watchin Condors tonight?

  109. Магия 10 says:

    linkfromhyrule: We want more scoring” while simultaneously allowing referees to swallow their whistles for long periods of the game.

    If they wanted more scoring they would not make the IDEAL season for every coach 123 points for tying every game and winning half in overtime. They actually want the illusion that teams are in games and in the playoff hunt as late as possible. their only concession to offense is the delay of game penalty which should be treated like icing. if they went to court re: concussions they could probably successfully argue that they slowed down the game again.

  110. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Back in the summer I mentioned playing Hall-McD would draw Backes and that might not be optimal.

    Better Hll-RNH-Eberle to give McD some easier sledding to start his career.

    With Nuge managing a 50% vs Backes I was probably right.

    Even Crosby had 26 games of Lemiuex to give him a bit of cover to start.

    One area I’m hoping we see improvement is in the FO circle. Not to pick on McDavid, he’s a rookie, but it would be nice to put a player on his line who could step in on tough nights. I know it’s a dream, but McDavid’s line is going to chase the puck a lot with fresh legs and that’s not really ideal.

  111. speeds says:

    Woodguy: Back in the summer I mentioned playing Hall-McD would draw Backes and that might not be optimal.

    Better Hll-RNH-Eberle to give McD some easier sledding to start his career.

    With Nuge managing a 50% vs Backes I was probably right.

    Even Crosby had 26 games of Lemiuex to give him a bit of cover to start.

    Backes is a pretty tough matchup for game 1, but I wonder if it was more game one nerves as an issue for McDavid as opposed to Backes himself – maybe we’ll get a sense of that with another game against STL fairly soon?

  112. Atc-Nate says:

    Lowetide: One area I’m hoping we see improvement is in the FO circle. Not to pick on McDavid, he’s a rookie, but it would be nice to put a player on his line who could step in on tough nights. I know it’s a dream, but McDavid’s line is going to chase the puck a lot with fresh legs and that’s not really ideal.

    Hall has had f/o success… Just a thought

  113. Remote says:

    delooper: Meh.Good teams know how the rules are enforced and play to those particulars. Bad teams can be bad because they’re stuck in their own universe’s interpretation of the rules.

    More experienced players/teams have a better idea of how to stretch the rules or make it less likely to be caught, yes. Does this make them “good”? Frankly, evasion of the rules is not the “skill” I prefer to see.

    I don’t agree that “bad” teams are victims of their own interpretations of the rules; they are not the ones enforcing said rules, therefore have no control over the calls or non-calls. They simply suffer the results.

    If we lose because we’re outplayed or lack the depth or skill of the other side, fine. I can enjoy a game against the Hawks even when we lose, largely because the Hawks don’t play like the Blues did last night.

  114. Lowetide says:

    Atc-Nate: Hall has had f/o success… Just a thought

    Yeah, maybe they could try it. It’s always a moving target and McDavid is so talented finding the chem may take awhile. Do we know what kind of linemates flourished with him in junior? Talented I know, but big/small fast/shooter.

    Hall is a fine passer and he shoots a lot, but Yakupov has a higher shots/60 at 5×5.

  115. GCW_69 says:

    speeds:
    I also would be surprised if Hall can’t play with McDavid, but at the same time I don’t find it too hard to imagine EDM looking something like:

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-McDavid-Purcell
    Korpikoski/Yakupov-Lander-Yakupov/Slepyshev

    assuming Eberle is back and no one else is injured.

    I think if you take Hall of McDavid’s line you have to put Eberle there. McDavid plays the game at such a high level you need a player that can play at a similar level to give McDavid someone to play off of. In a perfect world, that would be Yak, but that’s not Yak yet.

    Hall – RNH – Yak/Sleppy

    Pouliot – McDavid – Eberle

    Purcell – Lander – Yak/Sleppy

    Korpse – Letestu – Hendricks

  116. blainer says:

    Pouzar: You watchin Condors tonight?

    Ya knows I am.. Really expecting good things from Khaira this year..

  117. Lowetide says:

    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 36s36 seconds ago
    Hall with RNH and Purcell.

  118. Woodguy says:

    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 30s31 seconds ago

    Ference seems to be taking reps with Gryba today. Davidson and Reinhart.

    Given that Reinhart played the most yesterday, I’d guess Davidson is coming in.

  119. ashley says:

    I saw this team good last night.

    Blues are a strong Stanley contender this year. And the Oil played them very well in their own rink. In the first period, they even seemed to be controlling the play before the Blues seemed to up their game intensity, perhaps after a stern lecture from Hitch to take the Oil seriously.

    Hall is not your typical first overall. He doesn’t have the top end puck skills or shot, but he makes up for it with blazing speed/acceleration and raw will. It takes time to learn to play with a guy like that. He works best with RNH because RNH knows his tendencies and supports the puck well. Everybody plays better with RNH, really. If CMD gets more time with Hall, he’ll figure it out.

    Saw RNH really good again. What an incredible player.

    How about Fayne with third pairing minutes? He has been listed by all of us on the top pair throughout the offseason, though he didn’t earn it last season. I love how Chia/McLellan aren’t letting contracts dictate roster decisions/ice time. Early yet, but it looks like we may now have over 12 million in Dmen who either didn’t make the team (Nikitin), are sitting in the press box (Ference) or are playing on the third pair (Fayne). And that contract work all happened in one summer? Maybe two? Ouch.

    Chia is going to have to make better decisions to prevent the mess that MacT left him in his short tenure.

  120. Lowetide says:

    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 2m2 minutes ago
    Hall RNH Purcell
    Pouliot McDavid Korpikoski
    Slepyshev Lander Yakupov
    Hendricks Letestu klink/gazdic

    Hmmm. Korpikoski with McDavid? I don’t love it. I understand it, but don’t love it. Very careful decision.

  121. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug36s36 seconds ago
    Hall with RNH and Purcell.

    Given that McLellan generally agrees with me, I’m just gonna go ahead and declare that he’s brilliant.

  122. Pouzar says:

    blainer: Ya knows I am.. Really expecting good things from Khaira this year..

    Sweet…expect some drunk updates everyone.

  123. Woodguy says:

    russ99,

    IMO McLellan with the ZS is trying to prove a point the the players:

    No, he matches lines without regard to ZS.

    He’s not trying to prove anything.

  124. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Given that McLellan generally agrees with me, I’m just gonna go ahead and declare that he’s brilliant.

    Well he didn’t actually. His first thought was Hall-McDavid, and he’s moving off after one game (or at least changing up). Suspect we see lots of things before things settle.

  125. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug2m2 minutes ago
    Hall RNH Purcell
    Pouliot McDavid Korpikoski
    Slepyshev Lander Yakupov
    Hendricks Letestu klink/gazdic

    Hmmm. Korpikoski with McDavid? I don’t love it. I understand it, but don’t love it. Very careful decision.

    If Yak hits the cover off the ball in the next 5 games he might get a look there.

    Bob is pimping DrySaddle for that spot.

    We wait…….

  126. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Well he didn’t actually. His first thought was Hall-McDavid, and he’s moving off after one game (or at least changing up). Suspect we see lots of things before things settle.

    HE’S BRILLIANT

    He just needed to see it in a game.

    I, on the other hand, ran the game 121,321 times in my head in the summer.

  127. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: HE’S BRILLIANT

    He just needed to see it in a game.

    I, on the other hand, ran the game 121,321 times in my head in the summer.

    lol. Well, if I’m Pouliot and Korpikoski I play my brains out tomorrow night. This kid could earn one of them $20M.

  128. Oil2Oilers says:

    Lowetide: Well he didn’t actually. His first thought was Hall-McDavid, and he’s moving off after one game (or at least changing up). Suspect we see lots of things before things settle.

    I still hope to see;
    Klefbom-Sekera
    Reinhart-Schultz
    Davidson-Fayne
    Gryba

    I feel this optimizes the current 7 defenders.

  129. BONVIE says:

    Woodguy:
    Here;s Naturalstattrick’s OZS% for the DMen:

    Eric Gryba70
    Griffin Reinhart63.64
    Andrej Sekera57.14
    Mark Fayne50
    Justin Schultz37.5
    Oscar Klefbom30

    I wonder if McLellan’s thinking is “get my best puck movers the most Dzone starts so they can move the puck north?”

    Schultz and Klef shitting the bed here hurts.

    Oilers need that Dpair that can get the play going the right way.

    I’d like to see Sekera-Klef take a whack at it.

    Klef did not look like his normal mobile self last night.

    Dreamy/60 was quite low.

    He’s not healthy yet.

    I’m betting the zone starts are what they are mostly because of the Oiler forward lines they are following, although I never really took note on wether they are matching D pairs up according to which Oilers forward lines are sent out or according to the other teams forward lines.

    I know on the road I always found it easier to match D pair according to your own forward lines, and then you will probably only need to worry about one or maybe two forward match ups you would like to avoid.

  130. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    Refereeing has always been appalling. This whole ” we don’t want the refs getting involved in the outcome of the games” is pure bullshit.

    If you don’t call the infractions and let teams hook hold obstruct, crosscheck and run pick plays, you ARE involved in the outcome. “Let ’em play” has to be predicated on the idea that the play is within the rules. Call every infraction every time and pretty soon everyone will know you have to function within the rules.

    Call things arbitrarily, inconsistently and differently depending on the time of the game or the current score and you get the NHL the way we are seeing it. Differential refereeing favours bigger slower less talented teams at the expense of actual hockey players.

    I know I’m preaching to the choir here….

  131. Lowetide says:

    Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey 9s9 seconds ago
    Friedman: I’d be surprised if #Sabres go after a guy like Scrivens “unless Edmonton was willing to eat some of the money.” #Oilers
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  132. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    Hey WG, was it you that said last night you were working on a project to try and figure out a way to assess defensemen?

    I think I might take Rex’s advice to publish publish publish, but in case I don’t, this little study I did will be of interest to you.

    I am bending my brain on much the same thing.Defensemen break fancystats, they really do.Unlike with forwards, where a single number provides useful information, anda handful of key numbers together provide a decent player profile, I have no such confidence in those same numbers applied to defensemen.

    So I did a little experiment, where I looked at a half dozen or so common measures for defensemen and compared them to a subjective list of ‘top defensemen’ picked by MSM.Since the subjective list was ranked 1 to 25, I took the list of measures, and calculated how those same D ranked against the league via that measure.

    I then used what is called a Spearman rank correlation to see how well they stacked up.

    Here’s how that looks:

    TOI rho =0.604615384615 pval =0.00136766613404
    P60 rho =-0.0553846153846 pval =0.792591224987
    CF% rho =0.234615384615 pval =0.258954600761
    CA60 rho =0.158461538462 pval =0.44932315248
    CFRel rho =0.285439512878 pval =0.166632801507
    CA60Rel rho =0.23 pval =0.268711462374
    GF rho =0.141538461538 pval =0.499757638691
    HSCA60 rho =0.101538461538 pval =0.629129959336
    dCorsi rho =0.2 pval =0.337792673998

    (rho is the Spearman correlation coefficient, its interpretation is the same as a standard Pearson correlation, as is the p-value).

    Note that the *only* measure that has a good correlation (0.6 is very good in hockey terms) and is statistically significant is TOI.

    Nothing else comes close.

    Might be food for thought as you’re looking at hybrid measures.

    Can you run that using this Cor Rel QC rank?

    http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=13&f1=2014_s&f2=5v5&f4=D&f7=30-&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67#

  133. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey9s9 seconds ago
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    I thought EDM eating 50% of his salary to move him was a given?

  134. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: lol. Well, if I’m Pouliot and Korpikoski I play my brains out tomorrow night. This kid could earn one of them $20M.

    I’ve started my Dry Saddle stop watch if the goals don’t start to come…….

  135. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: I’ve started my Dry Saddle stop watch if the goals don’t start to come…….

    They were so close to getting it right out of camp, but wanted to keep Gazdic and Klinkhammer. Give McLellan a year on the job and I doubt Leon (the next Leon) spends any time in the minors. Same with Nurse. Another 10 games of watching the slow blue and Nurse gets a call.

  136. RexLibris says:

    TSN has the NHL and PA setting escrow at 16% for 1st quarter of the season.

    That’s….gonna hurt.

    2013-2014’s escrow was 14%, 3.76% of the original total was returned once revenues were determined.

    Things aren’t getting any rosier for NHL revenue projections given the Canadian dollar.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl-union-set-escrow-for-first-quarter-of-season-at-16-per-cent-1.374417

  137. BONVIE says:

    Woodguy:
    Woogie63,

    Oilers TOI – Corsi vs. Backes last night: (sorted by TOI vs. Backes)

    Griffin Reinhart 7:52 – 38
    Eric Gryba 6:27 – 33
    Oscar Klefbom 5:10 – 30
    Justin Schultz 4:19 – 33
    Mark Fayne 2:06 – 50
    Andrej Sekera 1:57 – 33

    Taylor Hall 6:38 – 23
    Connor McDavid 5:44 – 31
    Lauri Korpikoski 4:48 – 42
    Anton Lander 4:08 – 44
    Teddy Purcell 4:08 – 38
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 3:47 – 50
    Anton Slepyshev 3:34 – 25
    Benoit Pouliot 3:02 – 33
    Matt Hendricks 2:58 – 25
    Nail Yakupov 2:46 – 63 —–Woot!
    Luke Gazdic 1:12 – 0
    Mark Letestu 1:06 – 0

    Hmmmm

    Griff and Gryba with the most time vs Backes?

    Wonder if it was due to Large and Heavy?

    I’m guessing it’s because St.Louis wanted Backes on McDavid and Gryba Rheinhart were mostly following the McDavid line.

  138. vinotintazo says:

    RexLibris:
    TSN has the NHL and PA setting escrow at 16% for 1st quarter of the season.

    That’s….gonna hurt.

    2013-2014’s escrow was 14%, 3.76% of the original total was returned once revenues were determined.

    Things aren’t getting any rosier for NHL revenue projections given the Canadian dollar.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl-union-set-escrow-for-first-quarter-of-season-at-16-per-cent-1.374417

    can you explain this in english again? 😛

  139. RexLibris says:

    Carolina Hurricanes ‏@NHLCanes 31s31 seconds ago

    NEWS: Wisniewski to undergo surgery on left knee after suffering a torn ACL in Thursday’s game.

  140. RexLibris says:

    vinotintazo: can you explain this in english again?

    For the first quarter of the season all NHL players will automatically have 16+% of their paycheques deducted and put aside because the NHL and PA estimate that could be the difference between projected revenues and actual revenues once the season ends.

  141. Pouzar says:

    RexLibris: Things aren’t getting any rosier for NHL revenue projections given the Canadian dollar.

    Go Oil go!

    The Loonie is risin!

  142. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris:
    Carolina Hurricanes ‏@NHLCanes 31s31 seconds ago

    NEWS: Wisniewski to undergo surgery on left knee after suffering a torn ACL in Thursday’s game.

    Ouch.

  143. vinotintazo says:

    RexLibris: For the first quarter of the season all NHL players will automatically have 16+% of their paycheques deducted and put aside because the NHL and PA estimate that could be the difference between projected revenues and actual revenues once the season ends.

    Thanks!, well that sucks for them

  144. vinotintazo says:

    Lowetide: Ouch.

    They can have Nikitin.

    Ex-Jacket? Check
    Can run PP? Check
    Bomb from the point? Check
    Veteran? Check

  145. G Money says:

    Woodguy,

    Damn, it started out promising (the first 5 or so names on the list were well matched) and then went to heck in a handbasket:

    CorRelQC rho = 0.0746153846154 pval = 0.722985560827

    Relative to that Yahoo list, you can see the mismatch in the rankings from that RelQC list:
    33
    93
    1
    100
    39
    92
    9
    71
    45
    15
    17
    16
    106
    29
    46
    5
    12
    90
    60
    7
    129
    169
    149
    13
    22

    Mind you, a good portion of this test is all about whether you think the Yahoo list is representative. I used that one because it looked OK to me, and it appeared to be derived subjectively, which is really what I wanted to test.

    To my mind, fancystats should agree with the eye test for the most part. Once you’ve established that the results “mostly agree with knowledgeable subjective assessments” and “mostly meet the eye test” (something Rickistats fall down at!), then you go investigate the undervalued exceptions (where stats > eye) or the overvalued ones (where stats < eye).

    But as yet, I cannot get a fancystat (other than TOI) to “mostly agree” with the eye test on these bloody defensemen.

  146. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide,

    They were so close to getting it right out of camp, but wanted to keep Gazdic and Klinkhammer.

    You keep framing it that way but they said:

    Leon is a NHLer on offense right now, but needs to work on his game without the puck

    The result is the same but they way they get there is much different and that means something.

    If they weren’t so clear on this I wouldn’t bust your balls on it, but they were pretty clear.

    This is how it is if they could speak the 100% truth:

    “We really wanted Saddle to stay but he’s too weak off the puck, doesn’t move his feet enough and is too slow to the back check. Wizard when he has the puck and his offense makes me aroused. Unfortunately he has to go to the AHL to learn this shit because the NHL isn’t a developmental league and we have too many rooks as it is. We want a face puncher so Gazdic sticks, and with Saddle going down Klink makes the team by default”

    Fair?

    When Saddle comes up I like:

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-McDavid-DrySaddle
    Slepyshev-Lander-Yak

    Saddle and McDavid played well together and I want to see more of that.

  147. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy,

    Damn, it started out promising (the first 5 or so names on the list were well matched) and then went to heck in a handbasket:

    CorRelQC rho =0.0746153846154 pval =0.722985560827

    Relative to that Yahoo list, you can see the mismatch in the rankings from that RelQC list:
    33
    93
    1
    100
    39
    92
    9
    71
    45
    15
    17
    16
    106
    29
    46
    5
    12
    90
    60
    7
    129
    169
    149
    13
    22

    Mind you, a good portion of this test is all about whether you think the Yahoo list is representative.I used that one because it looked OK to me, and it appeared to be derived subjectively, which is really what I wanted to test.

    To my mind, fancystats should agree with the eye test for the most part.Once you’ve established that the results “mostly agree with knowledgeable subjective assessments” and “mostly meet the eye test” (something Rickistats fall down at!), then you go investigate the undervalued exceptions (where stats > eye) or the overvalued ones (where stats < eye).

    But as yet, I cannot get a fancystat (other than TOI) to “mostly agree” with the eye test on these bloody defensemen.

    The prbolem is deployment and usage.

    Some #1 Dmen see the toughs and also bring offense
    Some #1 Dmen see the toughs and bring on a little offense
    Some #1 Dmen don’t see the toughs and bring offense

    Not one box to put all 3 types into.

    #1 line forwards HAVE to bring offense and they see the toughs by definition so they are easier to judge.

  148. John Chambers says:

    RexLibris:
    Carolina Hurricanes ‏@NHLCanes 31s31 seconds ago

    NEWS: Wisniewski to undergo surgery on left knee after suffering a torn ACL in Thursday’s game.

    An ominous sign for the ‘Canes who are likely up for an macabre series of events:
    – the get off to a lousy start, as they have tendency to do
    – trade talk around Skinner and E Staal go mad until they are dealt, which they inevitably will be
    – They pray lottery balls gift them Austen Matthews, because they have little other reason for hope.

    The Oilers and Canes, expansion rivals from ’79, and competitors from the ’06 final, draw another eerie parallel.

  149. BONVIE says:

    Lowetide: They were so close to getting it right out of camp, but wanted to keep Gazdic and Klinkhammer. Give McLellan a year on the job and I doubt Leon (the next Leon) spends any time in the minors. Same with Nurse. Another 10 games of watching the slow blue and Nurse gets a call.

    That sound like a narrative that doesn’t hold any water, our 4th and 3rd lines played excellent we lost because our number 1 line was inferior at evens. A top line with Eberle may have made a difference though.

    With 6 years of losing our primary reason for losing has always been that our top two lines were not able to play with the other teams top guys.

    It seems so easy to blame the guys playing 8 minutes a night though. My own thinking says one of the main reasons we lost is we shortened the bench in the 3rd probably because they also shortened the bench.

    Most pressing need right now should be to fill that gaping hole that Eberle’s injury left, but it’s not just on the offence its defensively he’s very underrated in his own end, Purcell looks very good on the PK I don’t understand how he could be as bad as he was last night. Seems too soon for Yakapov to step up in a tough role like this, and ditto for Draisatel. I think barring a trade one has to hope that Purcell just steps it up next game, cause I am not sure we actually have a better option.

    Overall that was a pretty close game against what is for Edmonton the worst matchup for them in the NHL, and we all knew this before we played the game. There were a ton of positives to take out of that game. Structured game play is what I seen, a bottom 6 that can make hay with similar competition.

  150. Woodguy says:

    G Money,

    Also,

    “Some #1 Dmen wouldn’t be #1 Dmen on other teams so their stats come out all wonky when trying to compare across teams.”

  151. 4th_Line_Plug says:

    What’s with the obsession with zone starts when looking at Corsi and deployment? How many actual “zone starts” are there in a game and how many of those are due to icing (you can’t change lines)?

    My stats knowledge is limited but quality of the opposition and if you’re on powerplay or penalty kill would be the only context needed. Most “shift starts” are in the neutral zone on the fly, at that point it may matter if you start “with possession” or “without possession”

  152. AsiaOil says:

    Agree with all of that G-M and very happy with Talbot’s play. Almost all of my disagreement with you over the summer related to a lack of “triangulation” on Talbot. I wanted the opinion of expert eyes to support the interesting (but limited) statistical analysis you performed. As soon as Allaire’s verbal came out which matched the stats I was sold. He will be fine – and you may come to appreciate the Swede in due course as he looks like a gooder as well.

    Agree with the rest of the it on the game – played decently and were competitive against a big tough well coached team on the road. Good enough for now but they’ve got to try stay within spitting distance of .500 in the first 20 games. So it would be good to get a win out of the next two starts. Saw Purcell very bad last night – good god he skates like he’s on wet concrete. Agree with LT – with Eberle out they have to give Yak the push and RNH has to figure out how to make it work.

    G Money: Pretty much all teams have a hard time generating 5×5 offense in St Louis against St Louis.

    Last night I posted the context for the Oilers’ 48% CF% vs last years 45%, 43%, and 40%.i.e. way better than any of the games last year, especially the first, which was the 40%.

    Another bit of context: last year at home, the Blues averaged 53% CF%.On the road, the Oilers averaged 48%.

    So last nights CF% for the Oilers matched their road average from last year – i.e. they did as well against one of the best teams in the league vs what they averaged against *all* teams last year.

    Conversely, the Blue’s 52% is weaker than what they averaged against all visiting teams last year.

    The point being that one of my expectations for this year is that the Oilers should establish themselves as a mid-tier team.

    To hit 48% CF and lose by one goal+EN to an elite veteran squad with stable coaching playing at home is the most anyone should have expected.

    In the light of day, I remain extremely satisfied with last nights result, doubly satisfied with the fact that neither the players nor the coach are satisfied, and out of my mind thrilled that Talbot is the real deal [actually, let me rephrase that – I know he’s the real deal, but I’m thrilled that it doesn’t look like he’s going to fall victim to the dreaded starters dip, which after an extensive study of goaltenders, was a very real concern of mine].

  153. speeds says:

    Woodguy:
    Lowetide,

    They were so close to getting it right out of camp, but wanted to keep Gazdic and Klinkhammer.

    You keep framing it that way but they said:

    Leon is a NHLer on offense right now, but needs to work on his game without the puck

    The result is the same but they way they get there is much different and that means something.

    If they weren’t so clear on this I wouldn’t bust your balls on it, but they were pretty clear.

    This is how it is if they could speak the 100% truth:

    “We really wanted Saddle to stay but he’s too weak off the puck, doesn’t move his feet enough and is too slow to the back check.Wizard when he has the puck and his offense makes me aroused.Unfortunatelyhe has to go to the AHL to learn this shit because the NHL isn’t a developmental league and we have too many rooks as it is.We want a face puncher so Gazdic sticks, and with Saddle going down Klink makes the team by default”

    Fair?

    It’s one possible explanation, maybe even the most likely one. It’s also possible they thought “well, we don’t want to lose Klink or Gazdic on waivers, it won’t hurt Drai to play 2 weeks in the AHL until someone gets hurt and then we can re-call Draisaitl and not lose anyone.”

  154. G Money says:

    Woodguy,

    Woodguy,

    Yep, these are some of the underlying problems a fancystat (or combo thereof) must solve in order to be useful for assessing or categorizing D. None of them work so far (other than TOI, which ultimately is actually capturing a coaches assessment of a D man rather than the D mans direct performance. Which becomes a problem when you can’t assume the broad competency of coaches aka the Justin Schultz / Jeff Petry problem).

    You might be able to get some of the way there by, as you say, putting the D in 3 or more boxes based on playing style, but then you run into both the classification issue and the comparability issue.

    Definitely an uncracked problem there waiting to be solved. Glad you’re tackling it (as per our previous convos, let me know if I can help).

  155. JDï™ says:

    John Chambers: The Oilers and Canes, expansion rivals from ’79, and competitors from the ’06 final, draw another eerie parallel.

    Let’s hope it ends there:

    http://wncn.com/2015/10/09/former-carolina-hurricane-ward-arrested-for-assault-on-female/

    Yikes…

  156. RexLibris says:

    JDï™: Let’s hope it ends there:

    http://wncn.com/2015/10/09/former-carolina-hurricane-ward-arrested-for-assault-on-female/

    Yikes…

    And (presumably former) TSN commentator.

    Not good.

    One of the people I follow on twitter, Jen LC@RegressedPDO, tweeted sexual assault stats the other night in lieu of covering anything about the Hawks’ season opener.

  157. JDï™ says:

    RexLibris: tweeted sexual assault stats the other night in lieu of covering anything about the Hawks’ season opener

    Those stats ain’t so fancy.

  158. OilClog says:

    Korp over Yak after the game Yak had?

    Ugh.

  159. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    OilClog,

    They’ve been really clear about this.

    They are trying to build chemistry between Lander and Yak.

    Remember how Yak did before Roy? They want to avoid that. They want Lander to be like Roy. So far, it’s been great. The problem has been at LW because of the Eberle injury & Leon demotion. Getting sleppy on the left side is huge for that line, hopefully the rip the cover off the ball and get more than 15 mins of ice.

    Think of it this way:

    Hall RNH Purcell
    Sleppy Lander Yak
    Pouliot McDavid Korp

  160. JDï™ says:

    Supposedly this is the recapture penalty from settling with Richards and terminating his contract:


    Elliotte Friedman Verified account
    ‏@FriedgeHNIC

    Hearing that Mike Richards will be on the cap until 2031. Not sure of payment, but that is the term.

  161. Магия 10 says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    OilClog,

    They’ve been really clear about this.

    They are trying to build chemistry between Lander and Yak.

    Remember how Yak did before Roy?They want to avoid that.They want Lander to be like Roy.So far, it’s been great.The problem has been at LW because of the Eberle injury & Leon demotion.Getting sleppy on the left side is huge for that line, hopefully the rip the cover off the ball and get more than 15 mins of ice.

    Think of it this way:

    HallRNHPurcell
    SleppyLander Yak
    PouliotMcDavid Korp

    Not just the chemistry and stability but they’ll want sustain on the forechecking demon we’ve seen recently before ramping up the minutes and moving up to tougher comps. Quality and structure over quantity for now. The rest can come later.

  162. McSorley33 says:

    Lowetide,

    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 2m2 minutes ago
    Hall RNH Purcell
    Pouliot McDavid Korpikoski
    Slepyshev Lander Yakupov
    Hendricks Letestu klink/gazdic
    ********************************************

    Love the new coach even more now ….very well played.

  163. rickithebear says:

    Damn it:
    that was the lines I projected this AM:
    Should have had the stones to post it.

    Zone entry velocity players
    Hall-XXX-XXX
    XXX-Mcdavid-XXX
    XXX-XXX-Yakupov

    other centers:
    hall provides RNH the escapability and 1st comp history
    Hall-RNH-XXX
    XXX-Lander-Yakupov

    possession Speed with Mcdavid.
    XXX-Mcdavid-Korpikoski

    Purcell at RW
    Hall-RNH-Purcell

    Pouliot-Yak -1.33 GD/60
    Pouliot-Mcdavid-Korpikoski

    The 2 russians and fairly solid 2 way play.
    Slepyshev-Lander-Yakupov

    Hall-RNH-Purcell
    Pouliot-Mcdavid-Korpikoski
    Slepyshev-Lander yakupov

  164. Ducey says:

    I lost track, and maybe LT will cover this in his Condors GDT, but is NN playing for Bakersfield tonight?

  165. JDï™ says:

    Ducey,

    Well that’s a hot mess of a webpage, but he’s listed on their roster:

    http://www.bakersfieldcondors.com/team/roster/

    If he eats popcorn tonight or not…

    https://www.facebook.com/BakersfieldCondors/videos/10153672427053633/

  166. Snowman says:

    OilClog:
    Korp over Yak after the game Yak had?

    Ugh.

    You can’t have Rookie Center covering for walkabout Yakupov. Also why is everyone in such a rush to move Yak up to harder comp when he’s playing with a very competent center in Lander. If he was playing with a plug I would have more issue with him on that line but he’s not. Easy minutes, decent center good for his development.

  167. Lowetide says:

    Ducey:
    I lost track, and maybe LT will cover this in his Condors GDT, but is NN playing for Bakersfield tonight?

    I haven’t seen a lineup am searching.

  168. Магия 10 says:

    Snowman: You can’t have Rookie Center covering for walkabout Yakupov. Also why is everyone in such a rush to move Yak up to harder comp when he’s playing with a very competent center in Lander. If he was playing with a plug I would have more issue with him on that line but he’s not. Easy minutes, decent center good for his development.

    Nothing wrong with riding unicorns and forechecking against softer comp with a responsible centre.

  169. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Lowetide,

    They were so close to getting it right out of camp, but wanted to keep Gazdic and Klinkhammer.

    You keep framing it that way but they said:

    Leon is a NHLer on offense right now, but needs to work on his game without the puck

    The result is the same but they way they get there is much different and that means something.

    If they weren’t so clear on this I wouldn’t bust your balls on it, but they were pretty clear.

    This is how it is if they could speak the 100% truth:

    “We really wanted Saddle to stay but he’s too weak off the puck, doesn’t move his feet enough and is too slow to the back check.Wizard when he has the puck and his offense makes me aroused.Unfortunatelyhe has to go to the AHL to learn this shit because the NHL isn’t a developmental league and we have too many rooks as it is.We want a face puncher so Gazdic sticks, and with Saddle going down Klink makes the team by default”

    Fair?

    When Saddle comes up I like:

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-McDavid-DrySaddle
    Slepyshev-Lander-Yak

    Saddle and McDavid played well together and I want to see more of that.

    People say things, WG. It isn’t always straight up. Oilers made a bad call, I’ll bust their balls on it all day.

  170. BONVIE says:

    McSorley33:
    Lowetide,

    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 2m2 minutes ago
    Hall RNH Purcell
    Pouliot McDavid Korpikoski
    Slepyshev Lander Yakupov
    Hendricks Letestu klink/gazdic
    ********************************************

    Love the new coach even more now ….very well played.

    Well I know last night St.Louis was trying to get Backes on McDavid, and with these new proposed line changes opposing coaches would probably zero in on Nuge’s line. When you don’t have last change on the road sometimes balance is the key. I noticed Rheinhart and Gryba played some long sequences in order to stay in behind McDavids line Rheinhart played one late in the second for 2minutes and 20 seconds.

  171. knighttown says:

    Woodguy:
    LT, I think you’re off the mark in bitching about zone starts for the forward lines.

    Why did Lander’s line get 20% OZS (natural stattrick has them at 20%, not 0%)

    Because Fabbri-Letehra-Schwarz got 71.3% OZS and McLellan matches lines.

    I noticed Yak/Lander getting the shitty OZS in the pre-season too for some games?

    Why?

    McLellan is matching them to the soft scoring line from the other team and those lines usually get the OZS push (like Fabbri did last night.)

    Don’t get too hung up on the OZS% because you’ll drive yourself crazy.

    McLellan may consider it, but its not what drives his decisions, its matching.

    I expect Lander/Yak’s OZS% to flip when at home.

    You sure about that Darcy? If a road coach is matching lines he has to do it on the fly and I only saw that once; Letestu hopping off the ice on a special teams face off. How exactly would he even get Yak out against Schwartz over and over if that was his goal. I’d suggest he rolled his lines and Hitch got his matchups.

  172. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: People say things, WG. It isn’t always straight up. Oilers made a bad call, I’ll bust their balls on it all day.

    Astute and fair.

    I’ll sit on the other side of this one but you could certainly be right.

  173. Woodguy says:

    knighttown: You sure about that Darcy? If a road coach is matching lines he has to do it on the fly and I only saw that once; Letestu hopping off the ice on a special teams face off. How exactly would he even get Yak out against Schwartz over and over if that was his goal. I’d suggest he rolled his lines and Hitch got his matchups.

    Yeah, that’s right.

    Matching lines doesn’t mean always “quick changes” to change the match up.

    Often coaches fall into a rhythm once the matchups are set.

    Hitch still gave Fabbri’s line as many OZS as possible and McL had Lander against that line, hence the OZS

  174. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy,

    Woodguy,

    Yep, these are some of the underlying problems a fancystat (or combo thereof) must solve in order to be useful for assessing or categorizing D.None of them work so far (other than TOI, which ultimately is actually capturing a coaches assessment of a D man rather than the D mans direct performance.Which becomes a problem when you can’t assume the broad competency of coaches aka the Justin Schultz / Jeff Petry problem).

    You might be able to get some of the way there by, as you say, putting the D in 3 or more boxes based on playing style, but then you run into both the classification issue and the comparability issue.

    Definitely an uncracked problem there waiting to be solved.Glad you’re tackling it (as per our previous convos, let me know if I can help).

    Will do.

    Thanks G

  175. anonymous says:

    Snowman: You can’t have Rookie Center covering for walkabout Yakupov. Also why is everyone in such a rush to move Yak up to harder comp when he’s playing with a very competent center in Lander. If he was playing with a plug I would have more issue with him on that line but he’s not. Easy minutes, decent center good for his development.

    The problem is Yaks line mates kill penalties and it’s the 3/4 line so he ends up with no ice time. Stick him with Hall and Mcdavid and he’ll get plenty of ice.

    They probably should have just traded him. Never seen a first overall used like this before.

  176. v4ance says:

    Watching TSN Sportscentre… Aaron Ward arrested for Class A1 Misdemeanor for assaulting his wife Kelly. Suspended from on air work with TSN

  177. Rebilled says:

    One could expect the Blues to win their opening game at home vs. pretty much any team in the league.

    The biggest problem last night was that we didn’t score any of our own goals.

    The Eberle injury is becauseoilers unfortunate. Couldn’t even see the full team once could we?

  178. Mr. D. says:

    It’s very obvious what McL is doing with zone starts. Get players who aren’t comfortable in a certain zone more comfortable by playing them and DEVELOPING confidence. Basic hockey logic for those who actually know the game vs knowing stats.

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