MOVING DAY

At some point this morning, we’ll hear about lines and pairings at practice in Dallas. I’ll be watching for the location of Nail Yakupov, who looked good with phenom Connor McDavid in a small sample size in Nashville. Todd McLellan spent training camp and game one using Nail in a lesser role and some may feel that was unwise. For me, I think Yak needed to know he had a role on the team, he wasn’t going to get jostled around (as he had in the past) and that his chores were well understood.

Nail is a more confident player now to my eye. I’m not going to get into whether or not Dallas Eakins was good or bad, but sometimes in youth we have to experience things, get outside our comfort zone, in order to see things in a new light. Todd McLellan appears to have established some rapport with Nail, and also given him a role on the team that he owns.

If Yak lines up with McDavid and Benoit Pouliot this morning, and things fail to click? Nail has that job back on the Anton Lander line, there’s no worry about a HS or playing with lesser forwards.

PLACE AND CHASE

I’m noticing the Oilers forwards—even the skill guys—are doing more of  a dump and chase these days. Actually, it’s more ‘Place and Chase’ with Yak and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins being the best so far at the discipline. Finding that sweet spot where the winner of the race to the puck is actually in doubt is an interesting strategy. The great thing about establishing it? If the Oilers place and chase enough, it will allow for more carries into the zone under control. Why? Edmonton will be less predictable, for the first time in God knows. Yak looks like he has this portion of Todd McLellan’s game down, he’s learning the lessons put in front of him. It was never (imo) about not buying in, Nail Yakupov has always been eager to please. It was (again imo) about the way the lessons were delivered and the message getting through—not just for now, but for the long term. Communication is a difficult thing. I believe McLellan may be a very good fit for Nail Yakupov, and vice versa.

PETER CHIARELLI’S BOSTON BLUE PERIOD

Peter Chiarelli took over the Boston Bruins (as GM) on May 26, 2006. The Bruins final game of the 2005-06 season featured the following pairings:

  • Brad Stuart—Mark Stuart
  • Brian Leetch—Milan Jurcina
  • Todd Gill—Andrew Alberts
  • Source

That’s a mixture of ancient, slow, inexperienced and Brad Stuart. Chiarelli had a very active summer, and by opening night 2006-07, the blue had a different look:

  • Paul Mara—Brad Stuart
  • Zdeno Chara—Andrew Alberts
  • Jason York—Nathan Dempsey

Only Brad Stuart and Andrew Alberts remained (the Oilers blue didn’t get that kind of treatment!) as Chiarelli added two substantial pieces and changed the look of the blue line in one summer. By March 1, 2007—after the trade deadline—the Bruins had morphed again:

  • Zdeno Chara—Aaron Ward
  • Andrew Ference—Andrew Alberts
  • Bobby Allen—Dennis Wideman

The quick-change artist turned it over again, this time giving the roster a veteran look while also allowing Boston to get a look at two younger players (Allen and Alberts didn’t work out long term).

PETER CHIARELLI’S EDMONTON BLUE RECORD

Let’s start by going back and looking at Edmonton’s pairings at the end of the 2014-15 season. This is the Todd Nelson crew that lost 6-5 in Vancouver April 2015:

  • Oscar Klefbom—Justin Schultz
  • Martin Marincin—David Musil
  • Keith Aulie—Brandon Davidson

It was a ragtag group to be sure, Jeff Petry had already been sent away. Now, let’s look at the opening night lineup for 2015-16 and compare it to the massive turnover (four out of six) in Boston in Chiarelli’s first year:

  • Oscar Klefbom—Justin Schultz
  • Andrej Sekera—Mark Fayne
  • Griffin Reinhart—Eric Gryba

Three men returned from the previous season, with Chiarelli keeping an entire pairing plus the veteran Mark Fayne. I believe (others don’t agree, believing instead the big changes will occur in free agency next summer) we’re going to see some in-season changes to this roster.

Matt Irwin? We’ll see today. Mark Fayne? Yes, I do believe we’re going to see a change out there at some point in time. It should also be noted that Chiarelli acquired and then traded Paul Mara in less than a season, so we might see some movement on the new players, too.

This isn’t settled, nor should it be. I will say it’s early for a big deal but the opportunities sometimes arise at unusual times. This is an interesting year.

 

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179 Responses to "MOVING DAY"

  1. Soup Fascist says:

    Can TMac possibly be thinking of playing Ference again tomorrow? If so, how can ANYONE believe the old “icing the team that gives us the best chance to win” mantra?

  2. GCW_69 says:

    Deals can’t happen fast enough on this blue. I wonder if Chiarelli is now regretting not buying out Ference and going hard after Franson.

    Franson can make and take a pass and would look pretty good on the powerplay about now.

  3. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    On Matt Irwin I would like to propose the following:

    In the event we don’t pick him up, let’s acknowledge as a group that Tmac is arguably more qualified than anyone in the NHL, arguably anyone in the world, to make that call. Chiarelli, having an IQ north of 25, will certainly recognize this.

    We should all recognize that if we don’t pick him up its because a guy infinitely more qualified than us didn’t want him.

  4. Lowetide says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    On Matt Irwin I would like to propose the following:

    In the event we don’t pick him up, let’s acknowledge as a group that Tmac is arguably more qualified than anyone in the NHL, arguably anyone in the world, to make that call. Chiarelli, having an IQ north of 25, will certainly recognize this.

    We should all recognize that if we don’t pick him up its because a guy infinitely more qualified than us didn’t want him.

    Haha. Haaahahahaha. Oh my. Thanks. I needed that. Of COURSE he’ll be second guessed, either way!

  5. SoCaloil says:

    And yet both the kings and the Hawks are looking to get more depth at D
    and canes lost wisniewski and Boston didn’t have the depth to begin the season

    Finding a dance partner will come at a very high cost
    St Louis is the only team to spare and that’s bc of development

    I don’t really see it, unless it’s an overpay

    NSH needs a C, but we don’t have any to spare unless we ship Leon out of town

  6. Klima's_Bucket says:

    I can’t see the Oilers picking up Irwin.
    There are too many fringe NHL Dmen on this team already, why add another?
    Also, when McLellan had Irwin with the Sharks he was on the bottom pairing or scratched in favour of past their prime players like Hannan and Stuart.

  7. Soup Fascist says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!,

    I would agree – with the caveat that sometimes coaches are too close to certain players and may have blind spots in terms of their actual value. They are so enthralled with one part of their skill set – like work ethic, attitude, toughness, character, etc that they overlook the flaws others may see. I am not saying this is the case with Irwin / McLellan.

    Just saying it HAS happened – Toby F’n Pederson.

    What this team does NOT need is another 6 / 7 defenseman taking up a roster spot and salary without a plan to move a weaker defenseman on the roster out.

  8. v4ance says:

    GCW_69,

    Nope. Chiarelli is not regretting the Ference decision at all.

    The only reason that Ference would have been bought out is if the team was a lock for playoff contention that they needed the money to pay for an upgrade with a player of Franson’s calibre THIS year.

    The cap money that they saved by not buying out Ference this season means that they can use that money to improve the team in year 3 and year 4 of McDavid when it is more realistic that this team is competitive and needing playoff calibre players.

  9. Магия 10 says:

    “Nail has that job back on the Anton Lander line, there’s no worry about a HS or playing with lesser forwards.”

    A good home with a good centre and soft opp AND a chance to play up the lineup as earned. TMac knew exactly where to start.

    Exactly the answer to the worries that he was wasted top 9 and would never get a good chance at top 6.

  10. Lowetide says:

    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 4m4 minutes ago
    Don’t expect Oilers to take Irwin off waivers.

  11. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug4m4 minutes ago
    Don’t expect Oilers to take Irwin off waivers.

    Really good article by Jay Dub on ON about this.

    http://oilersnation.com/2015/10/11/can-edmonton-afford-to-pass-on-matt-irwin

    We have too much tied up in third pairing D, would take a marathon phone session whilst on the road by Chia to make it work.

    Inheritance, it’s a killer.

  12. skidplate says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug4m4 minutes ago
    Don’t expect Oilers to take Irwin off waivers.

    Good, we need to aim higher.

  13. smellyglove says:

    Chiarelli was at the World Series game last night, I yelled ‘Get back to work!’ at the screen.

  14. oliveoilers says:

    smellyglove:
    Chiarelli was at the World Series game last night, I yelled ‘Get back to work!’ at the screen.

    Haha, he’s such a lazy bum. Come in and basically done nothing. I bet Lowe pulled off all the moves on MacT’s advice. 😉

  15. verdad2.0 says:

    smellyglove,

    smellyglove,

    Totally agree
    He should have been working the phones, trying to actually improve this forlorn team.
    Priorities amiss for a decade for this team.

  16. verdad2.0 says:

    oliveoilers,

    Be sure you ask yourself how hard or how well he has worked after the Oilers go zero for five by the end of this week.

    He bungled the summer, and now is in the same situation as MacTavish was in last year.

  17. speeds says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    On Matt Irwin I would like to propose the following:

    In the event we don’t pick him up, let’s acknowledge as a group that Tmac is arguably more qualified than anyone in the NHL, arguably anyone in the world, to make that call. Chiarelli, having an IQ north of 25, will certainly recognize this.

    We should all recognize that if we don’t pick him up its because a guy infinitely more qualified than us didn’t want him.

    All of that is true, but not impossible that some might feel a bit more comfortable with his judgment if he hadn’t just benched Reinhart for Ference.

  18. Lowetide says:

    verdad2.0:
    oliveoilers,

    He bungled the summer, and now is in the same situation as MacTavish was in last year.

    No. He didn’t go as far as I would have liked, and I do think deals for Korpikoski and Reinhart have their own issues. That said, the additions of Talbot, Sekera and McLellan were substantial and we’ll see if they work.

    Two games isn’t enough to go on and you made up your mind BEFORE the season began. That’s not a good starting point for intelligent conversation.

  19. John Chambers says:

    speeds,

    Playing Ference over Reinhart last game is justifiable so long as management has now made note of the contrast and send TCAF to the glue factory.

    I’m sure they wanted to observe if there was a gap in talent and ability and, well, now they know.

  20. godot10 says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug4m4 minutes ago
    Don’t expect Oilers to take Irwin off waivers.

    Because of Ference, there is no room to claim him without losing Davidson on waivers, and Chiarelli and TMac don’t know what they have in Davidson yet.

    Irwin is a known marginal defensemen, with no upside potential. Davidson is a probable marginal defensemen, with upside potential.

    The Oilers are breaking in Reinhart this year, so they can break in Nurse later this year or next year.

    Davidson is a much better risk/reward than Irwin, so one doesn’t claim Irwin.

  21. Магия 10 says:

    Lowetide: That’s not a good starting point for intelligent conversation.

    ~ Just like management. All you care about is process. Not results ~

  22. Lowetide says:

    Irwin clears, as per Lebrun .

  23. Klima's_Bucket says:

    In all fairness to Ference, Nashville is a far greater challenge to play against than St. Louis…

  24. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Nail remains in the top 6 as per Stauffer.

  25. Lowetide says:

    Kurt Leavins ‏@KurtLeavins 1m1 minute ago Parkland County, Alberta
    And Yakupov is with McDavid at #Oilers practice this morning. All ye rejoice.

  26. Lowetide says:

    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer 38s39 seconds ago
    Oilers D this morning: Davidson-Gryba, Klefbom-Schultz, Sekera-Fayne, Reinhart-Ference

    Rotating D with Gryba as constance?

  27. Hockey Buddha says:

    Lowetide:
    Irwin clears, as per Lebrun .

    Irwin didn’t push the agenda forward anyhow imo. The defense has not really been a huge issue the past two games; pp and lack of offensive production are a little frightening mind you. Have to score goals.

  28. slopitch says:

    I like the idea of hall and nuge dominating hard minutes. It really opens the rest of the lineup to cash in. And they will. Connor frigging McDavid. Excited for yak. Hope he runs with this opportunity.

    There is also a decent window to pump and dump Purcell while Ebs is hurt and Drai is mastering his trade. Still plenty of improvements will happen this year. All through the lineup.

  29. Bar_Qu says:

    Lowetide,

    Someone once mentioned that a GM goes with his guys over the other options. Not sure who it was.

    verdad2.0,

    You’re not a fan? I didn’t know that.

  30. sliderule says:

    The oilers are still paying for years of mismanagement .

    It starts with the poor drafting and assessment of the players .Petry and Reider are the most recent examples but you can go back further and you see Brodziak ,Gilbert Chimera etc.

    The practice of hiring ex Oilers and giving them a job for life still continues.When I see Mact and Lowe sitting in the press box right beside Chia it makes me real nervous.

    I believe we have hired a real NHL coach and he is my hope to turn this around.

    If chia doesn’t have a deaf ear towards all the dead wood My hope fades.

  31. Dominoiler says:

    Glad to hear Nail will have his chance in the Mc David shuffle, hoping for chemistry. Nail appears to have had a great attitude this season (with communication of role and expectations clearer) and is working hard consistently. Can you imagine how hard he’ll forecheck once he is scoring goals n getting chances consistently, I think that’s when we see Nail on overdrive..

    With respect to Irwin, as a poster said, need to aim higher.. But he has the right package of skills, so still a good job by JW to identify a possible fit..

  32. oliveoilers says:

    sliderule: It starts with the poor drafting and assessment of the players .Petry and Reider are the most recent examples but you can go back further and you see Brodziak ,Gilbert Chimera etc.

    Surely these are examples of good drafting, but poor development and mismanagement of assets?

  33. Lowetide says:

    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 3m3 minutes ago
    Davidson taking a lot of reps with Gryba today. Potentially in Tuesday? Reinhart with Ference.

  34. Bar_Qu says:

    I’m not sure what else McClellan can do beyond rotate out his D in the first three games to see who fits best with Gryba? We can sit on the side and criticize how he does it based on our own preconceptions, but we don’t know as much.

    I’m not saying its the best or to have blind faith in TMac, but its only game three. And Gryba is likely to play north of 70 games if not hurt.

  35. Lowetide says:

    oliveoilers: Surely these are examples of good drafting, but poor development and mismanagement of assets?

    Yes. Although KP was rightly fired for being terrible in the first round.

  36. oliveoilers says:

    verdad2.0:
    oliveoilers,

    Be sure you ask yourself how hard or how well he has worked after the Oilers go zero for five by the end of this week.

    He bungled the summer, and now is in the same situation as MacTavish was in last year.

    She’s a fixer-upper for sure.

    Unfortunately, we have to do her pay check to pay check.

    Unless you have a trade proposal?

  37. Lowetide says:

    Patty Sandpaper Baby ‏@blackdogpat 2m2 minutes ago
    I think @bulz2323 hit it on the Oilers’ D. This was the plan all along, unless the team won a game, then they would have stuck with lineup.

    Pat makes sense there. Davidson rotates in and we’ll see after that. Reinhart>Ference to my eye.

  38. Lowetide says:

    Bob StaufferVerified account
    ‏@Bob_Stauffer
    Hall-RNH-Purcell, Pouliot-McDavid-YAkupov, Slepyshev-Lander-Korpikoski, Hendricks-Letestu-Gazdic/Klinkhammer

  39. sliderule says:

    oliveoilers,

    Petry and Reider were examples of poor assessment as Kp picked Petry and Stu picked Reider.

    The reason they didn’t sign Reider was probably because he was a fourth rounder who wanted at least late first or at least second round money.His junior record supported that and yet oilers couldn’t see it and traded him for squat.

  40. godot10 says:

    Nail Yakupov is “going to Top Gun”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMpGhcbUu0A

  41. Adam Wu says:

    Lowetide: That’s not a good starting point for intelligent conversation.

    We all know that the upgrade to version 2.0 created an unexpected incompatibility with the intelligence module.

  42. fifthcartel says:

    NBC SportsVerified account
    ‏@NBCSports
    Report: #Bruins are “quietly” shopping Zdeno Chara and Brad Marchand http://tw.nbcsports.com/70Z

    I know Boston and Edmonton probably don’t like each other still, but I could see Chiarelli being interested in Chara despite his age and contract.

  43. G Money says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug3m3 minutes ago
    Davidson taking a lot of reps with Gryba today. Potentially in Tuesday?Reinhart with Ference.

    I’m OK if Davidson draws in with Gryba.

    Gryba has been decent (against two VERY tough teams) as a 3rd pairing guy.

    Still unclear what TMc is thinking keeping Reinhart out. To my mind he was better than Gryba that first game, and Ference was unspeakably bad in the second.

    Gryba-Davidson might at least be a workable pairing.

    But Ference must never see the ice for real again.

    My original thought was that he should not play barring injuries to at least two [Gryba, Reinhart, Davidson].

    But that’s still a bad move. To my mind, the Oiler depth chart on D looks like this:
    Sekera
    Klefbom
    Schultz
    Fayne
    Reinhart
    Gryba
    Davidson
    Oesterle
    Nikitin
    Hunt
    Ference*

    *maybe.

    Seriously. If the Oilers are serious about winning games this year, Ference must never see the ice for real again.

  44. RexLibris says:

    smellyglove:
    Chiarelli was at the World Series game last night, I yelled ‘Get back to work!’ at the screen.

    He was scouting Estrada for the coming free-agency. Oilers need a starter to match Reinhart’s good glove.

  45. Kmart99 says:

    How long does one expect Slepy to last in the NHL this year? He’s already surpassed my expectations for him this season, but he didn’t look like an offensive threat for much of either game so far. I can’t see him lasting the whole season without going to Bakersfield. I’d be surprised if he lasted 40 games.

    RE Leon
    Leon is better right now, but it looks like development for him is taking priority. I don’t mind the decision one bit, but it definitely puts a dent in the win column for this season. If Leon is here by Christmas, I suspect Slepy is sent down at that time.

    RE Purcell

    Purcell is still serviceable. Barely. His passing and puck handling are solid. But fuck it those aren’t his only skills. He never wins a race or battle. Im yet to see a solid takeaway by him either. It was nice to see solid possession nbrs by him last game, and I’m not ready to completely write him off, but he should be gone before seasons end IMO.

    RE Nurse
    Hurry up. There isn’t a larger hole that needs filling.

  46. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug3m3 minutes ago
    Davidson taking a lot of reps with Gryba today. Potentially in Tuesday?Reinhart with Ference.

    Gryba is the constant and I think fairly shortly we’ll see Davidson/Reinhart w/ Gryba while Ference is in every 5th or 6th game.

    I’ve seen some very strong play from Reinhart as a defensive specialist – if he added some nastiness to his game I think a Regher type isn’t out of the question as he doesn’t appear to have much offense but has this defendering stuff down pretty well.

    What is really interesting is that Davidson, while older, appears to be close to par with him at this moment and given his draft pedigree, injury history and such that is one heck of a compliment to the young man. It won’t last, but a nice accomplishment for the moment.

  47. Bar_Qu says:

    Ference for Chara? Leaves both sets of fans unsatisfied and saves the Bruins money.

    I wouldn’t do it.

  48. Alsker says:

    G Money,

    Couldn’t agree more BUT how on earth do you have Osterle, Hunt, Nikitin and Ferenece ahead of Nurse?

  49. Oddspell says:

    fifthcartel,

    How good is Chara these days? Is it just a matter of his long stints on the IR?
    I’d love to see Chara in Edmonton if he’s the Chara that plays 30 minutes a night, age be damned. If he’s still that Chara I can’t see him regressing so hard that by 2018 he’s not worth his 4 million.

    Seems like a big gamble that could pay off.

  50. RexLibris says:

    fifthcartel:
    NBC SportsVerified account
    ‏@NBCSports
    Report: #Bruins are “quietly” shopping Zdeno Chara and Brad Marchand http://tw.nbcsports.com/70Z

    I know Boston and Edmonton probably don’t like each other still, but I could see Chiarelli being interested in Chara despite his age and contract.

    I can’t wait to see Sweeney/Neely trade Chara to the Flames for a conditional 7th rounder and Al McInnis’ jock strap just to spite Chiarelli.

  51. RexLibris says:

    G Money: I’m OK if Davidson draws in with Gryba.

    Gryba has been decent (against two VERY tough teams) as a 3rd pairing guy.

    Still unclear what TMc is thinking keeping Reinhart out.To my mind he was better than Gryba that firstgame, and Ference was unspeakably bad in the second.

    Gryba-Davidson might at least be a workable pairing.

    But Ference must never see the ice for real again.

    My original thought was that he should not play barring injuries to at least two [Gryba, Reinhart, Davidson].

    But that’s still a bad move.To my mind, the Oiler depth chart on D looks like this:
    Sekera
    Klefbom
    Schultz
    Fayne
    Reinhart
    Gryba
    Davidson
    Oesterle
    Nikitin
    Hunt
    Ference*

    *maybe.

    Seriously.If the Oilers are serious about winning games this year, Ference must never see the ice for real again.

    Ouch.

    Ference got passed by Double Agent and Brad “starting lineup are you kidding me!” Hunt.

    Not wrong, though.

  52. Kmart99 says:

    G Money: I’m OK if Davidson draws in with Gryba.

    Gryba has been decent (against two VERY tough teams) as a 3rd pairing guy.

    Still unclear what TMc is thinking keeping Reinhart out.To my mind he was better than Gryba that firstgame, and Ference was unspeakably bad in the second.

    Gryba-Davidson might at least be a workable pairing.

    But Ference must never see the ice for real again.

    My original thought was that he should not play barring injuries to at least two [Gryba, Reinhart, Davidson].

    But that’s still a bad move.To my mind, the Oiler depth chart on D looks like this:
    Sekera
    Klefbom
    Schultz
    Fayne
    Reinhart
    Gryba
    Davidson
    Oesterle
    Nikitin
    Hunt
    Ference*

    *maybe.

    Seriously.If the Oilers are serious about winning games this year, Ference must never see the ice for real again.

    Nurse?

  53. RexLibris says:

    If the Bruins are seriously looking at moving Chara, I’d bet they look at dealing with Benning in Vancouver.

    It moves him WAY out of their division/conference, they have ties with Benning, the Canucks still need to improve their team, and it lets Neely feel like he’s putting the screws to Chiarelli.

    None of those things are actually reasons to make the deal, but with those two running the show it appears “reason” isn’t necessarily applicable.

  54. Lowetide says:

    G. Where’s Nurse?

  55. Kmart99 says:

    Am I the only person who thinks Davidson might bring more to the table than Gryba?

    Griff can play either side and I’d like to see a Davidson-Reinhart pairing sometime this year.

  56. Snowman says:

    What is the point of having Reinhart up here if he’s only going to play every third game. Either play him full time or send him down so he can play full time. Rotating him with Davidson and Ference is a poor decision.

  57. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    If we’re still believing that TMac wants pairs, what about the following:
    XXX-RNH-Eberle
    Hall-Lander-XXX
    XXX-McDavid-Yakupov

    I’ve always wondering if Hall and Lander could be effective. Hall drives to the net, and Lander isn’t afraid to play the game in the hard places.

    Any thoughts, or am I jumping the gun too much?

  58. Lowetide says:

    Rob Tychkowski ‏@Sun_Tychkowski 50s51 seconds ago
    McLellan working the Oilers’ power play long and hard this morning in Dallas. Also, get off Twitter, man, it’s Thanksgiving.

  59. Lowetide says:

    Snowman:
    What is the point of having Reinhart up here if he’s only going to play every third game. Either play him full time or send him down so he can play full time. Rotating him with Davidson and Ference is a poor decision.

    I think it’s audition time. Reinhart will get his chance and has to make the most of it. This three-headed donkey won’t last but McLellan has to assess. I’m fine with it.

  60. John Chambers says:

    HeatTreaterJoe:
    If we’re still believing that TMac wants pairs, what about the following:
    XXX-RNH-Eberle
    Hall-Lander-XXX
    XXX-McDavid-Yakupov

    I’ve always wondering if Hall and Lander could be effective.Hall drives to the net, and Lander isn’t afraid to play the game in the hard places.

    Any thoughts, or am I jumping the gun too much?

    Love the pairs.

    I’d put Drai next to Nuge-Ebs, Purcell opposite Hall on Landy’s line, and Pouliot as the size and defensive conscience for McD and Yak.

    Near the trade deadline Slepy replaces Purcell.

  61. Woodguy says:

    fifthcartel:
    NBC SportsVerified account
    ‏@NBCSports
    Report: #Bruins are “quietly” shopping Zdeno Chara and Brad Marchand http://tw.nbcsports.com/70Z

    I know Boston and Edmonton probably don’t like each other still, but I could see Chiarelli being interested in Chara despite his age and contract.

    I tweeted this yesterday when I read that Marchand was out:

    Woodguy ‏@Woodguy55 21h21 hours ago
    BOS is looking like the 09/10 Oilers. Weak roster to start and key injuries coming in a flood. Just need a hobbled Rask to equal Khabby.

    Fun part of tanking to rebuild now is that the “Oiler rule” of drawing for the first 3 spots in the draft make it much more difficult to come away with the elite of the draft class.

    Mind you, if the Bruins picked 3rd or 4th you could expect them to take a guy rated 14th because “he’s their guy”

  62. raventalon40 says:

    I have no problems with playing Ference over Reinhart if it’s just for one or two games. TMac probably just wanted to see the artist formerly known as TCAF in live game action before making a call. Can’t make that decision based on exhibition games alone.

  63. John Chambers says:

    Lowetide: I think it’s audition time. Reinhart will get his chance and has to make the most of it. This three-headed donkey won’t last but McLellan has to assess. I’m fine with it.

    We trimmed down the auditions by one after the last game, no?

    What used to be ‘old legs good / young legs bad, is now young legs good / old legs bad’. Right? RIGHT?

  64. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I think it’s audition time. Reinhart will get his chance and has to make the most of it. This three-headed donkey won’t last but McLellan has to assess. I’m fine with it.

    With Dmen falling like flies in the NHL I wonder if Ference can be moved?

    Trading him a 1/2 salary for the last 2 years is *almost* as efficient as buying him out next summer in terms of money and you get the massive bonus of not having to play him ever again.

    That damn NMC…….

  65. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    John Chambers,

    Slepy with Hall and Lander could be wonderful at the trade (if Slepy is still up).
    By next year, may swap Pouliot with Drai to put Pouliot back with RNH/Ebs (but not this year with too much inexperience on the McDavid/Yak line).

    A man can dream.

    Now we just need a number 1 d-man…

  66. G Money says:

    Alsker,

    Kmart99,

    Lowetide,

    Heh heh, just seeing if you guys were awake!

    Actually, I should have added – under the caveat that Nurse is down in the AHL for 25 games no matter what. After he comes up, I’d say he’s arguably going to be battling Fayne for 4D, not for bottom pairing work (which is why the time in the AHL is incredibly important).

  67. G Money says:

    Lowetide: Rob Tychkowski ‏@Sun_Tychkowski 50s51 seconds ago
    McLellan working the Oilers’ power play long and hard this morning in Dallas. Also, get off Twitter, man, it’s Thanksgiving.

    You never take a vacation from being a hockey fan!

  68. Snowman says:

    If you weren’t sure about Reinhart you should have sent him down to start the year. If you were sure about him you should be playing him. Ference doesn’t need an audition. Davidson is what he is going to be. Ditto Gryba. It’s not a major issue because the difference between Davidson-Reinhart-Gryba is minimal at this point but developing Reinhart so he’s not making the same rookie mistakes when you bring Nurse up is important I think. Get the growing pain out of the way so you can have some cover for Nurse when he’s called up.

  69. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: With Dmen falling like flies in the NHL I wonder if Ference can be moved?

    Trading him a 1/2 salary for the last 2 years is *almost* as efficient as buying him out next summer in terms of money and you get the massive bonus of not having to play him ever again.

    That damn NMC…….

    I was wondering about that, maybe Ference is willing to go somewhere and they want to make sure he has 10 fingers and toes? then he makes that ridiculous gaffe and it isn’t good. I predicted 28 games, that’s probably high.

  70. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    One other thing.. while I’m dreaming of pairings… what about the following for defence (assuming Reinhart can continue his play from the St. Louis game):

    Sekera – Schultz
    Klefbom – Gryba
    Reinhart – Fayne
    Davidson
    Ference

    Fayne has been good in the past, but doesn’t look great with Sekera. Reinhart seems to skate well enough, makes good plays and good first pass. Move them down to 3rd pairing to provide some relief to Fayne (maybe he’ll get better positionally again after getting used to TMac strategies).

    Sekera with Schultz should work in theory, and now that Justin has been playing much much better, this could emerge as a legit 1b/2a quality of d-pairing.

    Klefbom’s dreaminess should return shortly after a few more games back from injury, and Gryba has played surprisingly well so far. Gryba could add a nasty element to Klefbom’s effective playing.

    Again, thoughts? I think you need to split Sekera and Fayne to get the most out of Sekera (oh lord, I hope Sekera isn’t a dud… no reason to worry about this other than *because Oilers).

  71. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Lowetide: then he makes that ridiculous gaffe and it isn’t good.

    I heard Ference say it was the Zamboni doors fault, please don’t pin this on TCAF…

  72. OilClog says:

    So let’s put hall on the third line with lander and slep… Wtf

  73. Water Fire says:

    Lowetide: I was wondering about that, maybe Ference is willing to go somewhere and they want to make sure he has 10 fingers and toes? then he makes that ridiculous gaffe and it isn’t good. I predicted 28 games, that’s probably high.

    Same, I was thinking who could they pair him with to give him enough of what he needs to look good enough to want in a pinch.

    The only answer I can come up with is Schultz, given he is playing better now, given he can move the puck, given they play 3rd pairing 5v5. 10 games ought to do it, or nothing likely will.

  74. godot10 says:

    Kmart99:

    RE Leon
    Leon is better right now, but it looks like development for him is taking priority. I don’t mind the decision one bit, but it definitely puts a dent in the win column for this season. If Leon is here by Christmas, I suspect Slepy is sent down at that time.

    How is Leon better? Slepyshev went pointless at the St. Louis Blues and Nashville Predators, two of the best defending teams in the NHL. Draisaitl went pointless against Grand Rapids and Ontario.

    Slepyshev hasn’t been the prime culprit in a goals against yet. He was better offensively and defensively in the pre-season.

    Slepyshev probably stays until Eberle is healthy or if Pakarinen begins shooting out the lights in the AHL. And even then, I think Klinkhammer might be waived before Slepyshev gets sent down.

  75. zatch says:

    Kmart99:
    Am I the only person who thinks Davidson might bring more to the table than Gryba?

    Griff can play either side and I’d like to see a Davidson-Reinhart pairing sometime this year.

    I agree. Gryba does one thing pretty decently (physical work in the defensive end/boxing out/rickistats) but he doesn’t do anything else at all. Davidson has a greater range of skills.

  76. dessert1111 says:

    If Davidson plays well, I can see him being the #7 and rotating with Reinhart and sometimes Gryba or even Fayne. And of course injuries.

    So far the rotation has been logical IMO (same with the forwards really), we’ll see after another 2-3 games if it remains so. I am most curious what they do about Ference, I think that’ll tell us a lot.

  77. Woogie63 says:

    Shouldn’t Place and Chase be ….. Place, Chase and BANG. To my eye our top 9 forwards need to take the body more. 13 hits against Nashville, might be the definition of easy to play against.

  78. hunter1909 says:

    Bar_Qu:
    Ference for Chara? Leaves both sets of fans unsatisfied and saves the Bruins money.

    I wouldn’t do it.

    Yes you would. We’d all do it. Chara on IR is more valuable than TFCAF.

  79. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: Mind you, if the Bruins picked 3rd or 4th you could expect them to take a guy rated 14th because “he’s their guy”

    We should be careful there though, because there was talk here that should Keith Gretzky become available this summer as a head scout, Chiarelli would be interested.

  80. Kmart99 says:

    Hall RNH Purcell looked solid in a short span last game, no need to put him with Lander.

    Putting Hall with Lander would be great for spreading offense over three lines, but what is 0/3? Let’s just let TMac find at least one or two lines that can produce offense before we worry about three.

  81. RexLibris says:

    Completely off-topic, but one of my favourites on twitter:

    Awful Fantasy ‏@AwfulFantasy 3h3 hours ago

    “She set her laser pistol to Destructo-beam™ and fired!
    *click*
    ‘Your Destrcuto-beam trial has run out! Buy the full version for $54.99!'”

  82. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    OilClog,

    The goal for the lines was unicorns… lines 1a, 1b, 1c and 4th.

    I’d like to hear how you would you setup the lines differently… I’d love to see other options, but I really do want to see 3 scoring lines.

  83. RexLibris says:

    Jen LC Retweeted
    Josh Weissbock ‏@joshweissbock 13h13 hours ago

    AHL fancystats now on http://CHLStats.com

  84. Yeti says:

    Lowetide: I was wondering about that, maybe Ference is willing to go somewhere and they want to make sure he has 10 fingers and toes? then he makes that ridiculous gaffe and it isn’t good. I predicted 28 games, that’s probably high.
    In short, we need to get used to Sweet AF being here for the duration of the season.

    I think it’s more likely they’re going to give him an occasional game simply because they can’t get rid of him for love or money, and it serves no-one to have him permanently isolated. To make a virtue out of necessity they will keep him around as an ‘attitude coach’ who draws in from time to time until they can buy him out.

  85. hunter1909 says:

    Okay so we all know the new season’s not exactly starting off on a high note. What’s needed is some kind of distraction, to keep the Tier 1 fans interested.

    How’s about they add Ference to my Lowe+MacT idea: with them all being chased around the Northland’s Ice by Polar Bears?

    For extra fun, Ference can ride a bicycle.

  86. "Steve Smith" says:

    v4ance,

    This is all true, but it’s no reason to actually play the decrepit old pile of blame-shifting and defensive errors.

  87. Cameron says:

    RexLibris: I can’t wait to see Sweeney/Neely trade Chara to the Flames for a conditional 7th rounder and Al McInnis’ jock strap just to spite Chiarelli.

    Works for me!

  88. Czar says:

    Woodguy: With Dmen falling like flies in the NHL I wonder if Ference can be moved?

    Trading him a 1/2 salary for the last 2 years is *almost* as efficient as buying him out next summer in terms of money and you get the massive bonus of not having to play him ever again.

    That damn NMC…….

    Or the massive bonus of playing against him

  89. godot10 says:

    Fayne has been underwhelming so far this season. Sekera has struggled with him. Reinhart played his worst game paired with him.

    If Davidson plays well (maybe tonight), Fayne could be on the hot seat soon. Gryba has been better than Fayne, and brings the physical edge.

    Reinhart and Davidson both could push Fayne out of the starting lineup in a month or two.

    Klefbom Schultz
    Reinhart, Sekera
    Davidson, Gryba

    Say by November 15.

  90. OilClog says:

    HeatTreaterJoe:
    OilClog,

    The goal for the lines was unicorns… lines 1a, 1b, 1c and 4th.

    I’d like to hear how you would you setup the lines differently… I’d love to see other options, but I really do want to see 3 scoring lines.

    Fuck Unicorns.

    Hall/Nuge/Ebs… Power, success, established.
    Poo/Jesus/Yak.. Good luck NHL
    Slep/Lander/Korp.. Fuck unicorns.
    Hendricks/Letestu/Klink/Gaz… Fuck Purcell.

    The goal should be to win and make the opposition pay, taking Hall off of the Nuge line and planking him with Lander is amateur. This is the NHL, cut throat, and if you don’t go into it maximizing your roster then let the ghosts of Toby be with you.

  91. sliderule says:

    godot10,

    If Fayne is not playing would someone bite on a trade

  92. Lowetide says:

    Jack Michaels says it’s likely Davidson draws in and Nilsson starts against Dallas, as per McLellan.

  93. RexLibris says:

    Cameron: Works for me!

    I figured you might be listening.

    Threw that up there like the bat-signal…but in reverse, like a Bane-signal, just to see if we could get your attention. 😉

    I think the Canucks scenario listed above is more likely with the Benning connection and moving him across the continent.

    I wonder who the Canucks would consider moving in that scenario? Tough call when you have two teams who are terrible horse-traders doing business with each other.

  94. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Jack Michaels says it’s likely Davidson draws in and Nilsson starts against Dallas, as per McLellan.

    I was wondering last night when Nilsson might get his first start.

    McLellan likely has all those nights circled on the calendar already.

    What I’d like to know is the line he’s drawn for games/played with Talbot.

    50?

    Doubt it’s more than 60. At least I doubt he hopes to have to play him more than 60.

  95. böök¡je says:

    I suspect we are starting to see lineups u influenced by MacT and Howson’s advice.

  96. Woodguy says:

    godot10:
    Fayne has been underwhelming so far this season.Sekera has struggled with him.Reinhart played his worst game paired with him.

    If Davidson plays well (maybe tonight), Fayne could be on the hot seat soon.Gryba has been better than Fayne, and brings the physical edge.

    Reinhart and Davidson both could push Fayne out of the starting lineup in a month or two.

    Klefbom Schultz
    Reinhart, Sekera
    Davidson, Gryba

    Say by November 15.

    I think Fayne is the first Dman traded too.

  97. Woodguy says:

    böök¡je:
    I suspect we are starting to see lineups u influenced by MacT and Howson’s advice.

    Pardon?

  98. speeds says:

    Woodguy: With Dmen falling like flies in the NHL I wonder if Ference can be moved?

    Trading him a 1/2 salary for the last 2 years is *almost* as efficient as buying him out next summer in terms of money and you get the massive bonus of not having to play him ever again.

    That damn NMC…….

    Almost as efficient? It’s way cheaper.

  99. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Hi KMart,

    Fair point. I’m fine with Hall with RNH for now… I wouldn’t put Hall with Lander until after Eberle is back, and up to full speed. Even then, it would also come with the caveat that Lander showed good offensive instincts in the pre-season; I would put Hall with Lander only if those instincts continue to be demonstrated.

    Hi Oilclog,

    If Unicorns don’t work, then fine. But without 3 lines of offence (and a very un-elite D), I cannot see the Oilers getting deep into the playoffs.

  100. Woodguy says:

    speeds: Almost as efficient?It’s way cheaper.

    I was thinking exclusively about next year’s cap space.

    1/2 Ference is 1.625 next year

    Bought out Ference is 1.08 next year (and 1.08 the year after)

    Max cap space in the summer of 2016 is critical, but I think its worth burning $625K to not have Ference here now, and of course you come out ahead in 17/18.

  101. Магия 10 says:

    böök¡je:
    I suspect we are starting to see lineups u influenced by MacT and Howson’s advice.

    Woodguy: Pardon?

    i’d imagine his space bar is just below the N

  102. speeds says:

    Woodguy: I was thinking exclusively about next year’s cap space.

    1/2 Ference is 1.625 next year

    Bought out Ference is 1.08 next year (and 1.08 the year after)

    Max cap space in the summer of 2016 is critical, but I think its worth burning $625K to not have Ference here now, and of course you come out ahead in 17/18.

    It’s not even close. You burn marginally more cap space next year to save almost double the cap space the following year, plus you save close to half his salary/cap hit this year which if nothing else decreases your concern about bonus overages, which could potentially cost more than the 600K you save via buyout anyways.

  103. Woodguy says:

    McLellan after practice today.

    Nothing earth shattering but always interesting to hear the coach:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=844882&catid=4

  104. Woodguy says:

    speeds,

    I was thinking exclusively about next year’s cap space.

    How much money Katz spends is immaterial to me, its all about space.

    Good point about not worrying about the overages this year, didn’t think of that.

    Get back in the Saddle again.

  105. Woodguy says:

    Магия 10:
    i’d imagine his space bar is just below the N

    Makes sense.

  106. stush18 says:

    godot10:
    Fayne has been underwhelming so far this season.Sekera has struggled with him.Reinhart played his worst game paired with him.

    If Davidson plays well (maybe tonight), Fayne could be on the hot seat soon.Gryba has been better than Fayne, and brings the physical edge.

    Reinhart and Davidson both could push Fayne out of the starting lineup in a month or two.

    Klefbom Schultz
    Reinhart, Sekera
    Davidson, Gryba

    Say by November 15.

    That’s what I’m wondering. He’s the most tradeable (as in easiest to give up while still getting something.)

    Question is what is coming back?

  107. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide:
    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer38s39 seconds ago
    Oilers D this morning: Davidson-Gryba, Klefbom-Schultz, Sekera-Fayne, Reinhart-Ference

    Rotating D with Gryba as constance?

    Might be that McLellan really likes sticks on the boards for the D… keeping the only right-hander, Gryba, in the line-up while the 3 lefties switch-a-roo.

    Did he keep an even split of right and left handers in San Jose?

  108. Cameron says:

    RexLibris: I figured you might be listening.

    Threw that up there like the bat-signal…but in reverse, like a Bane-signal, just to see if we could get your attention. ?

    I think the Canucks scenario listed above is more likely with the Benning connection and moving him across the continent.

    I wonder who the Canucks would consider moving in that scenario? Tough call when you have two teams who are terrible horse-traders doing business with each other.

    Going after Edler makes a lot of sense to me. Vancouver needs youth and the Oil have plenty to offer. Byfuglien, Goligoski, and McDonagh also strike me as potential candidates for a variety of reasons, and none of them would cost you a current core roster player (which therefore assumes Draisaitl could be in play).

  109. v4ance says:

    verdad2.0,

    Kind of like how you bungled that bet on Sekera you made with me on how he was guaranteed to re-sign with LA?

    When are you going to man up and donate LT the loser’s fee or are you going to continue to ignore this like you continue to ignore facts and reality in favor of your biased personal narratives?

  110. speeds says:

    Cameron: Going after Edler makes a lot of sense to me. Vancouver needs youth and the Oil have plenty to offer. Byfuglien, Goligoski, and McDonagh also strike me as potential candidates for a variety of reasons, and none of them would cost you a current core roster player (which therefore assumes Draisaitl could be in play).

    I would be completely stunned if EDM moved Draisaitl for Byfuglien or Goligoski, and surprised if they moved him for Edler.

  111. RexLibris says:

    Cameron,

    Byfuglien is out of scope because he’ll cost far too much to acquire unless one has reassurances he’ll re-sign. Otherwise, wait until the summer for free-agency.

    Goligoski is interesting and could be acquired for a reasonable asset(s) in exchange.

    McDonagh I’m reluctant to acquire unless it is a more reasonable deal than has been suggested previously (Nurse for). I don’t believe he is enough of a well-rounded defender to warrant being considered 1D for a team like the Oilers.

    What may happen is Chiarelli moves Fayne for assets, then packages those with some incumbent assets (prospects, picks) that he feels are redundant or blocked in the system for that required help.

    The cap is a serious pinch on player movement right now, otherwise I think there would be a number of potential partners. The teams with players on LTIR or season-ending injuries are pretty much the only dance partners available right now. Unless you can move dollar-for-dollar and the Oilers don’t have many value contracts that they can afford to move.

  112. RexLibris says:

    Alouettes doing their best to lose this game in the 4th now.

    One can only hope Tanner Marsh dresses against the Esks.

  113. v4ance says:

    John Chambers:
    speeds,

    Playing Ference over Reinhart last game is justifiable so long as management has now made note of the contrast and send TCAF to the glue factory.

    I’m sure they wanted to observe if there was a gap in talent and ability and, well, now they know.

    Thanks! Exactly my thoughts as well. If this is the last bit of proof they needed to permanently anchor Ference to the PB, then one loss was worth it.

  114. "Steve Smith" says:

    v4ance,

    Wasn’t that DSF? Not all obnoxious, disingenuous commenters are the same person, you know.

  115. McSorley33 says:

    Always love to see people contort themselves to justify odd decisions….you can’t defend inserting Ference into an NHL lineup. We have no injuries on the back end.

    Huge fan so far of TMac ….but you cannot justify Ference playing. Just can’t.

  116. G Money says:

    Pre-emptive stats blast for the DAL game:

    Against DAL last year @ 5v5 [for, against, %]

    Goals 7,7,50.0%
    Corsi 141,183,43.5%
    ScrAdj Corsi 142,180,44.0%
    Fen 102,131,43.8%
    Danger Fen 116,141,45.1%

  117. Магия 10 says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    v4ance,

    Wasn’t that DSF?Not all obnoxious, disingenuous commenters are the same person, you know.

    whereas all smartass commentators are in fact the same person.

  118. Woodguy says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    v4ance,

    Wasn’t that DSF?Not all obnoxious, disingenuous commenters are the same person, you know.

    That really depends on how many people you are.

  119. Woodguy says:

    Магия 10: whereas all smartass commentators are in fact the same person.

    That’s better than mine.

  120. Unwashed Oilfan says:

    What a first inning!!!!

  121. Cameron says:

    speeds: I would be completely stunned if EDM moved Draisaitl for Byfuglien or Goligoski, and surprised if they moved him for Edler.

    Here’s the thing, there are two positions that strong teams typically have elite players at; 1C and 1D. I watched my Flames struggle for a decade to locate a #1C, and finding a legit #1 D (25+Min, 1st unit PP, all three zone player) is just as if not more difficult.

    Byfuglien and Goligoski may not be highest of the high-end, but they are legit 1st pairing D, who have just enough flaws/risk to make them aquirable via trade.

    Typically these days teams don’t trade D for wingers, though it can happen, and I assume you aren’t looking to peel guys from the active core, which leaves; a basket of picks, a stud prospect (or two), or that unicorn of unicorns the 3 for 1 deal (or 5 for 1 in light of the Grabner trade).

    I’m convinced (your mileage may vary), that Edm desperately needs at least 1, and prefeŕrably 2 higher end talents on the blue. How you get there is the question, and I’d argue moving Draisaitl is the most obvious and least painful solution to gwtting one of them.

  122. v4ance says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Sorry! You’re right! My apologies Verdad2.0. I mixed up my trolls.

    In my defence, I was at an emergency room with my uncle last night til 11pm in St. Albert before I hopped on a 6 hr bus back to Calgary last night/this morning and I’m still groggy.

  123. B S says:

    RexLibris,

    Fans here in New England would lose their shit if Sweeney traded a franchise player to Vancouver. Going on half a decade and Bruins fans still hate their guts (as does most hockey fans I talk to). Not saying Sweeney (or Neely) wouldn’t do it, but it would be met with much vitriol. Even a Marchand trade to them (most Bruins fans I know don’t like him, but would rather not see him in Vancouver).

    Sweeney’s already on thin ice with the Hamilton trade. Chara to Vancouver would end with Sweeney dumped in the ocean like so much tea.

  124. tollen77 says:

    fifthcartel:
    NBC SportsVerified account
    ‏@NBCSports
    Report: #Bruins are “quietly” shopping Zdeno Chara and Brad Marchand http://tw.nbcsports.com/70Z

    I know Boston and Edmonton probably don’t like each other still, but I could see Chiarelli being interested in Chara despite his age and contract.

    At the risk of being one of ‘those guys’ how good would Big Z (not the corpse of Big Z) look.

    Chara-Fayne
    Klefbom-Sekera
    Reinhart- Schultz

    That’s an NHL defense, no?!?

    I’d start to work on the Chiarelli statue out front if he could somehow send the former captain back to Bean Town as part of the trade.

    Cheers!

  125. Unwashed Oilfan says:

    The bats are alive…… with the sounds of championships!!!

  126. speeds says:

    Cameron:

    I’m convinced (your mileage may vary), that Edm desperately needs at least 1, and prefeŕrably 2 higher end talents on the blue. How you get there is the question, and I’d argue moving Draisaitl is the most obvious and least painful solution to gwtting one of them.

    I’d be completely floored if they’d give up 6 or 7 years of Draisaitl for 80 GP of Goligoski or Byfuglien.

  127. Lowetide says:

    speeds: I’d be completely floored if they’d give up 6 or 7 years of Draisaitl for 80 GP of Goligoski or Byfuglien.

    Won’t happen.

  128. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woodguy: That really depends on how many people you are.

    On my better days, no more than three or four.

  129. Cameron says:

    speeds: I’d be completely floored if they’d give up 6 or 7 years of Draisaitl for 80 GP of Goligoski or Byfuglien.

    Even if you had the contract extension negotiated in hand? Byfuglien patches a lot of holes…
    What if it was Draisaitl for McDonagh?

  130. speeds says:

    You are unlikely to get a contract extension done at a price/term that justifies moving Draisaitl, not to mention that if he’s willing to sign you could just take your chances that he’ll do the same next July.

    McDonagh is under term at a decent price, I could see them looking at that much more readily than the others, which isn’t to say they would definitely make a deal there.

  131. godot10 says:

    The New York Rangers are a Stanley Cup contender. They aren’t trading McDonagh for an AHL centre with no points.

  132. sliderule says:

    They are going to move somebody for a 1 or 2 D.

    Take your choice Yakupov plus plus plus ,Leon plus plus ,Hall or Eberle plus.

    It was always said on this site you draft forwards because they are more certain and trade them for the D you need.

  133. Lowetide says:

    sliderule:
    They are going to move somebody for a1 or 2 D.

    Take your choice Yakupov plus plus plus ,Leon plus plus ,Hall or Eberle plus.

    It was always said on this site you draft forwards because they are more certain and trade them for the D you need.

    Oilers may in fact have to trade a forward, but dealing Leon, who is not expensive, doesn’t make a lot of sense. Edmonton has a lot of cap to give as well, that’s a big advantage.

  134. G Money says:

    @MannyElk is showing shot metrics for forward lines.

    Copycat!!!!

  135. speeds says:

    sliderule:
    They are going to move somebody for a1 or 2 D.

    Take your choice Yakupov plus plus plus ,Leon plus plus ,Hall or Eberle plus.

    It was always said on this site you draft forwards because they are more certain and trade them for the D you need.

    You look at everything but that doesn’t mean forcing a move this year, or even necessarily next summer.

  136. Gordies Elbow says:

    Lowetide: Oilers may in fact have to trade a forward, but dealing Leon, who is not expensive, doesn’t make a lot of sense. Edmonton has a lot of cap to give as well, that’s a big advantage.

    I know that it’s blasphemy, but the likeliest to go in my mind is Nugent-Hopkins. He’ll have the most value, given his contract, age, and ability.

    Draisaitl in the majors, playing on the right makes sense for the team winning now. Draisaitl in the minors, working on being a centre, when Edmonton has Hopkins, McDavid, Lander, Letestu, etc.? Only makes sense.if you think that you’re going to move Hopkins.

  137. Lowetide says:

    Gordies Elbow: I know that it’s blasphemy, but the likeliest to go in my mind is Nugent-Hopkins. He’ll have the most value, given his contract, age, and ability.

    Draisaitl in the majors, playing on the right makes sense for the team winning now. Draisaitl in the minors, working on being a centre, when Edmonton has Hopkins, McDavid, Lander, Letestu, etc.? Only makes sense.if you think that you’re going to move Hopkins.

    Well it makes sense as well if you want the luxury of two centers on an offensive line, something Todd McLellan had in SJS.

  138. GCW_69 says:

    Lowetide:

    I think this is a reasonable argument that Chiarelli was overly conservative this past summer. Keeping Ference is exhibit A. Not adding one more proven defender is exhibit B. I think Chiarelli remembered the Ference from Boston instead of watching the tape of Ference in Edmonton and made a series of bad decisions as a result.

  139. sliderule says:

    Lowetide,

    Leon is a commodity now.

    If he doesn’t score big in AHL he is a reduced commodity.

    If they want to do better this season now is the time.

    Leon scoring big would mean that Nuge would come into play next summer.

  140. Gordies Elbow says:

    Lowetide: Well it makes sense as well if you want the luxury of two centers on an offensive line, something Todd McLellan had in SJS.

    Then why not have him up as a winger, right now? He’s a better offensive threat than many, and the defensive side of the game as a winger isn’t as challenging. Why send him down now?

  141. pocession charge says:

    GCW_69: I think this is a reasonable argument that Chiarelli was overly conservative this past summer.Keeping Ference is exhibit A.Not adding one more proven defender is exhibit B.I think Chiarelli remembered the Ference from Boston instead of watching the tape of Ference in Edmonton and made a series of bad decisions as a result.

    I think Chiarelli is much smarter than you are giving him credit for. We’ll see how this all unfolds.

  142. Cameron says:

    Lowetide: Well it makes sense as well if you want the luxury of two centers on an offensive line, something Todd McLellan had in SJS.

    If two Cs on a line is a luxury, and a bonafide #1 D a necessity, I know which I’d prefer to have.

    But I am biased by history. Calgary had the screaming need for a #1 C for so long that I still have the scars.

    Also, it would not bother me in the slightest if the Oilers decided to groom a #1 from within (as yet to be drafted, and thus a few years away), or went with the ‘D by committee’ approach that almost-sorta worked for Vcr and NYR.

    What would scare the hell out of me as a Flames fan is something like The Nuge for Roman Josi (edit: or Pietrangelo, etc.), followed by picks and prospects for Backes.

  143. SwedishPoster says:

    GCW_69,

    I think Chia has his eyes on deep playoff runs and not scraping together a team that barely makes it if that and is out by round 1 while giving up future talent and Cap space. And a playoff also run was all that he could have hoped for with the cards he was dealt. Not buying out Ference and Nikitin, not going after Franson et al in free agency was the better Long term plan. We may not like it, or agree with it but Chia isn’t gunning for this season. This year is about evaluation, learning McLellans systems, instilling basic structure and work ethic in the group. All the while losing some Cap space anchors. Like it or not, Chiarelli hasn’t suffered through nine years, I doubt he feels nearly as desperate as we do. That might change if the team stinks up the joint but as long as he sees the team evolving I doubt he’ll go hunting big trades. Unless a great opportunity presents itself ofc.

  144. stush18 says:

    It’s nonsense talk, but if I move a forward, I move hall or eberle before nuge. Move nuge to left wing. He becomes a better version of pouliot.

    Nuge-mcdavid-ebs
    Poo-drai-yak
    Yak2-lander-slepy
    Moroz-JJ-letestu

    Sekera-Jones
    Reinhart-klef
    Nurse-Schultz

    Nonsense talk, were at least two years from this happening.

  145. RexLibris says:

    Cameron: But I am biased by history. Calgary had the screaming need for a #1 C for so long that I still have the scars.

    But…but…but Craig Conroy!

  146. RexLibris says:

    Just checked on the score in the Jays game.

    So this hitting thing is something they can do, huh?

  147. RexLibris says:

    I wonder if anyone has video on Toronto fans watching this game at home right now?

    Just curious.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8GCH5qf9IY

    *note* not wishing for it, just that I know Toronto’s sporting history and, well, the less said the better.

  148. Магия 10 says:

    pocession charge: I think Chiarelli is much smarter than you are giving him credit for.We’ll see how this all unfolds.

    Buying out a 2 yr contract adding cap to years 3 and 4 of CMD would be an unforced error. Thank goodness Chia is smarter that that.

    (buying out 1 year of NN is different as it only affects year 2 of CMD, but they could not swing a top 2D that needed the room this year)

  149. RexLibris says:

    Магия 10: Buying out a 2 yr contract adding cap to years 3 and 4 of CMD would be an unforced error. Thank goodness Chia is smarter that that.

    (buying out 1 year of NN is different as it only affects year 2 of CMD, but they could not swing a top 2D that needed the room this year)

    Nikitin is still an asset going into the trade deadline.

    Ference, at this point, is unlikely to be considered an asset by any but the most addled of managers in the NHL.

    That there was even interest in him at last year’s deadline and MacTavish didn’t move him is a missed opportunity.

  150. sliderule says:

    SwedishPoster,

    That’s all we have talked about since the Hall draft.

    Don’t give up assets for immediate improvement.

    It’s all about the long term.

    The result is we have an unbalanced roster.

    It time for action.

  151. Adam Wu says:

    Should we not forget that Ference has that NMC?

    He is not traded unless he wants to. Doesn’t matter who was interested at the deadline last year. Doesn’t matter how much he was shopped in the offseason. Doesn’t matter who is or is not interested.

    He is not waived unless he agrees to it. Doesn’t matter how badly he plays in TC, or how much pressbox time he gets.

    He is the albatross McT hung around his own neck, which now outlives McT’s own tenure as GM.

    Rime of the Ancient Mariner, people. (Since we’ve already done Moby Dick)

  152. Adam Wu says:

    Gordies Elbow: I know that it’s blasphemy, but the likeliest to go in my mind is Nugent-Hopkins. He’ll have the most value, given his contract, age, and ability.

    If the point of the trade is to make the Oilers a legitimate challenge for a playoff spot THIS year, you don’t move RNH. Even if you get a legit 1D in return, you don’t make the playoffs with 2 rookie C as your 1-2 C’s and a 3C whose been performing at NHL level for less than 1 year, even if one of those rookie C is Hockey Jesus. To be a legit playoff threat you need BOTH a legit 1C AND a legit 1D. You can’t rob Peter to pay Paul here. Give up one for the other and you’re still in the same boat.

    If the point of the trade is to improve the team in the long run, there’s no reason to force a trade involving RNH this year. You have at least 3 years to wait for the right deal, and the market circumstances can easily change on you.

    There is only one circumstance where trading RNH this year would make sense, and that is one where you can get BOTH a legit 1D AND an experienced legit 1C back in return. And short of a voodoo doll and a needle in the rational thought lobe, I don’t see even the most incompetent NHL GM offering THAT to you.

  153. oliveoilers says:

    oliveoilers: Inheritance, it’s a killer.

    Adam Wu,

    Posted this earlier in the thread.

    I’m concerned by the verbal from The Former Captain Andrew Ference after his mistake, and the ‘unlucky bounce’.

    Does he, in fact, see himself as getting slower and shitter? Or does he see himself as still able to keep up? Chia and Tmac said that they have talked to him on what will be a declining role for the Oil, but is he really on board?

    RexLibris: That there was even interest in him at last year’s deadline and MacTavish didn’t move him is a missed opportunity.

    Hence, MacT is no longer GM and we still have TFCAF. Well, this and double, possibly triple, Agent NN.

  154. rickithebear says:

    Our games versus Teams that showed dominate play at home or away last year.
    26 games.
    Number played in first 24 games of schedule.

    @ TMP 1gm 30-8-3
    VS NYR 1gm 24-11-6
    @NYR 1gm 19-11-11
    @ LAK 3gm 23-9-9 GM #18
    VS VCR 2gm 21-14-6
    @STL 1gm 21-12-8 GM #1 already played
    @MTL 1gm 19-9-13
    VS MTL 1gm 18-13-10 GM #11
    @ ANA 2gm 19-12-10 GM #16
    @MIN 2gm 19-13-9 GM #10
    VS MIN 1gm 19-15-7
    @ NYI 1gm 19-14-8
    VS CHI 1gm 19-16-6 gm #19
    @ CHI 2gm 17-12-12 GM #15
    @ NSH 1gm 18-9-14 Gm #2 already played
    @ BOS 1gm 18-10-13
    @ WSH 1gm 18-13-10 gm #21
    @ CGY 2gm 18- 13-10 GM #5
    @ PIT 1gm 18-14-9 GM# 24

    11 of our first 24gm should be part of our 26 toughest games.

  155. Gordies Elbow says:

    Adam Wu: If the point of the trade is to make the Oilers a legitimate challenge for a playoff spot THIS year, you don’t move RNH. Even if you get a legit 1D in return, you don’t make the playoffs with 2 rookie C as your 1-2 C’s and a 3C whose been performing at NHL level for less than 1 year, even if one of those rookie C is Hockey Jesus. To be a legit playoff threat you need BOTH a legit 1C AND a legit 1D. You can’t rob Peter to pay Paul here. Give up one for the other and you’re still in the same boat.

    If the point of the trade is to improve the team in the long run, there’s no reason to force a trade involving RNH this year. You have at least 3 years to wait for the right deal, and the market circumstances can easily change on you.

    I don’t think that the plan is to win this year. Otherwise, I think that Draisaitl would be playing here, and TFCAF wouldn’t have hit the ice last game.

    I think that the trade comes at the end of this year, with Hopkins+ going to Nashville for Jones+. Jones’ RFA contract expires at the end of this season, and he’s going to be looking at a large increase in pay. Nashville has the cap space to pay him and keep him, but their centre depth is really poor.

    Hopkins would be a great fit for them, and Seth Jones is a right shooting defenseman who will come with around 240 games of experience. Both teams deal from a position of strength, to address a weakness.

  156. G Money says:

    Random Data Noodlings:

    I have the data for each player last year of how many goals were scored for each type of shot, and also the average distance scored from.

    Anyone interested? Should I publish it as a random data factoid?

    The data looks like this:

    Counts
    Backhand Deflected Slap Snap Tip-In Wrap Wrist Unspecified Total
    Ebs 6 0 1 6 0 0 13 0 26

    Average Scoring Distance

    Backhand Deflected Slap Snap Tip-In Wrap Wrist Unspecified
    10.6 – 19.2 21.5 – – 17.9 –

    Any thoughts on what this data could/should be used for?

  157. G Money says:

    Read that as Ebs scored 6 of his 26 goals using a backhand shot, with an average scoring distance of 10.6 ft (that’s the venue adjusted distance from war-on-ice).

  158. RexLibris says:

    G Money: Any thoughts on what this data could/should be used for?

    I’m going to go with either

    A.) sealing Castle Greyskull from Skeletor

    or

    B.) determining a player’s actual shot arsenal (vs perceived) for both offensive chances for and defending against

    Kind of on the fence there.

  159. AsiaOil says:

    Amen brother – agree with every word.

    But I think that mgmt is doing what it should – allowing the players to make it obvious where they stand all by themselves. Pretty hard for Ference to sit around and gripe about not being given a chance – he hung himself. As long as this does not go on too long it’s sensible. Ference really should not see another game unless GR, Davidson and Nurse are already in the lineup. We’re screwed anyway if the injuries hit that bad.

    Good to see Yak with CMD and Poo – that a nice combination of shooters, forechecking and bit of edge (Poo for sure and Yak can hold his own). Yak is not a rookie anymore – and if a coach who believes in him asks him to play a complete game – I think he will. This line just makes sense and hope they give it some time. Again – mgmt allowing the players to make it obvious where they stand – Hall played himself off that line. Go Yak – opportunity beckons…..

    G Money: I’m OK if Davidson draws in with Gryba.

    Gryba has been decent (against two VERY tough teams) as a 3rd pairing guy.

    Still unclear what TMc is thinking keeping Reinhart out.To my mind he was better than Gryba that firstgame, and Ference was unspeakably bad in the second.

    Gryba-Davidson might at least be a workable pairing.

    But Ference must never see the ice for real again.

    My original thought was that he should not play barring injuries to at least two [Gryba, Reinhart, Davidson].

    But that’s still a bad move.To my mind, the Oiler depth chart on D looks like this:
    Sekera
    Klefbom
    Schultz
    Fayne
    Reinhart
    Gryba
    Davidson
    Oesterle
    Nikitin
    Hunt
    Ference*

    *maybe.

    Seriously.If the Oilers are serious about winning games this year, Ference must never see the ice for real again.

  160. spoiler says:

    oliveoilers: Adam Wu,

    Posted this earlier in the thread.

    I’m concerned by the verbal from The Former Captain Andrew Ference after his mistake, and the ‘unlucky bounce’.

    Does he, in fact, see himself as getting slower and shitter?Or does he see himself as still able to keep up?Chia and Tmac said that they have talked to him on what will be a declining role for the Oil, but is he really on board?

    Hence, MacT is no longer GM and we still have TFCAF.Well, this and double, possibly triple, Agent NN.

    I don’t expect Ference or any other aging NHL vet to ever announce his limitations to opposing forwards. That shit stays in-house lol (…as opposed to out-).

  161. "Steve Smith" says:

    spoiler: I don’t expect Ference or any other aging NHL vet to ever announce his limitations to opposing forwards.That shit stays in-house lol (…as opposed to out-).

    I feel like opposing forwards might be able to figure Ference’s limitations out for themselves, on account of their not being in vegetative states.

  162. G Money says:

    RexLibris,

    Tru dat. You know what I did, is I reran the tables looking at it the team level.

    You know what I found. Something absolutely SHOCKING – but not at all surprising. Actually, maybe the extent to which it happened is shocking.

    Here’s the team level number of tip-in goals. Notice which team stands out?

    ANA 44
    ARI 16
    BOS 23
    BUF 12
    CAR 13
    CBJ 23
    CGY 24
    CHI 27
    COL 17
    DAL 16
    DET 13
    EDM 5
    FLA 28
    L.A 31
    MIN 24
    MTL 24
    N.J 15
    NSH 13
    NYI 25
    NYR 32
    OTT 22
    PHI 30
    PIT 27
    S.J 22
    STL 37
    T.B 36
    TOR 29
    VAN 21
    WPG 12
    WSH 21

  163. G Money says:

    ANA 14.5%
    ARI 9.2%
    BOS 10.6%
    BUF 7.2%
    CAR 6.8%
    CBJ 9.5%
    CGY 8.8%
    CHI 8.8%
    COL 7.3%
    DAL 6.0%
    DET 5.0%
    EDM 2.5%
    FLA 12.7%
    L.A 13.9%
    MIN 9.2%
    MTL 9.4%
    N.J 8.0%
    NSH 5.0%
    NYI 9.1%
    NYR 10.6%
    OTT 8.5%
    PHI 13.4%
    PIT 11.4%
    S.J 9.4%
    STL 13.8%
    T.B 10.9%
    TOR 13.4%
    VAN 8.1%
    WPG 4.9%
    WSH 7.5%

  164. Ryan says:

    G Money: I’m OK if Davidson draws in with Gryba.

    Gryba has been decent (against two VERY tough teams) as a 3rd pairing guy.

    Still unclear what TMc is thinking keeping Reinhart out.To my mind he was better than Gryba that firstgame, and Ference was unspeakably bad in the second.

    Gryba-Davidson might at least be a workable pairing.

    But Ference must never see the ice for real again.

    My original thought was that he should not play barring injuries to at least two [Gryba, Reinhart, Davidson].

    But that’s still a bad move.To my mind, the Oiler depth chart on D looks like this:
    Sekera
    Klefbom
    Schultz
    Fayne
    Reinhart
    Gryba
    Davidson
    Oesterle
    Nikitin
    Hunt
    Ference*

    *maybe.

    Seriously.If the Oilers are serious about winning games this year, Ference must never see the ice for real again.

    I’m trying hard to think of Chiarelli’s thought process with respect to tcaf …

    1. Oh shit, why didn’t I buy him out when I had the chance?

    2. Someone will come calling and maybe if we give him some games … and maybe if he doesn’t make that pass off the Zamboni boards … and we retain half his salary … and he waives his NTC … and no one notices that he can’t make a pass … and no one notices that he always sends the puck off the boards and out even when there’s no forechecking pressure … and no one sees that he’s lost a step … and then we might be able to move him for future considerations if someone actually wants to trade for him.

    3. Let’s keep playing the guy even if it’s costing us games because he’s a vet and he deserves games.

    Seriously, how much longer are we going to rotate three defensemen with Gryba? That seems so obc.

  165. G Money says:

    Ryan: 3. Let’s keep playing the guy even if it’s costing us games because he’s a vet and he deserves games.
    Seriously, how much longer are we going to rotate three defensemen with Gryba? That seems so obc.

    Exactly. Everything I’ve heard from TMc screams “extreme competence” – except for this.

    I cannot create ANY line of reasoning to support it.

  166. spoiler says:

    “Steve Smith”: I feel like opposing forwards might be able to figure Ference’s limitations out for themselves, on account of their not being in vegetative states.

    Oh, they will, not to mention the amount of game tape that is looked at these days. I just wouldn’t hold out any hopes for a public announcement or acknowledgement thereof, till retirement day.

  167. G Money says:

    AsiaOil: We’re screwed anyway if the injuries hit that bad.

    Yup. The way it should work is by the time Ference draws in, the season’s done for anyway, and now he becomes your secret tank weapon.

    Hey.

    Maybe THAT’S why he’s still around! Tank insurance!

  168. russ99 says:

    SwedishPoster:
    GCW_69,

    I think Chia has his eyes on deep playoff runs and not scraping together a team that barely makes it if that and is out by round 1 while giving up future talent and Cap space. And a playoff also run was all that he could have hoped for with the cards he was dealt. Not buying out Ference and Nikitin, not going after Franson et al in free agency was the better Long term plan. We may not like it, or agree with it but Chia isn’t gunning for this season. This year is about evaluation, learning McLellans systems, instilling basic structure and work ethic in the group. All the while losing some Cap space anchors. Like it or not, Chiarelli hasn’t suffered through nine years, I doubt he feels nearly as desperate as we do. That might change if the team stinks up the joint but as long as he sees the team evolving I doubt he’ll go hunting big trades. Unless a great opportunity presents itself ofc.

    I also think Chiarelli is gathering evidence to get the remnants of the old regime removed. I still think he doesn’t have the front office group he wants in place yet.

    Putting it bluntly, if MacT and Howson are bringing you trade information, how much would you trust it?

  169. JOFA says:

    Nuge is NOT going to be traded. End of discussion. Silly talk I say.

  170. Lowetide says:

    G Money: Yup.The way it should work is by the time Ference draws in, the season’s done for anyway, and now he becomes your secret tank weapon.

    Hey.

    Maybe THAT’S why he’s still around!Tank insurance!

    the day they didn’t buy out someone in the Schultz window and sign Franson, I mentioned this was going to be a ‘waste year one of McDavid’s deal’ season. too bad really, but the MacT adds couldn’t be thrown overboard altogether in one summer.

  171. JOFA says:

    A winger will be traded. Yak, Hall, or Eberle. Take your pick. One or more will be gone by the end of Connor’s ELC.

  172. Ryan says:

    Lowetide: the day they didn’t buy out someone in the Schultz window and sign Franson, I mentioned this was going to be a ‘waste year one of McDavid’s deal’ season. too bad really, but the MacT adds couldn’t be thrown overboard altogether in one summer.

    The problem that we have is that collectively here, we’re use to being smarter than Oilers management by a fair margin.

    The gap, hopefully, is closing though nearly everyone of us to a man knew that we needed more than Sekera, Gryba, and Reinhart to avoid wasting year one of McDavid’s elc.

    We also knew that Ference was a millstone of epic proportions. Anyone who didn’t sure wasn’t paying attention to Darcy and several others here.

  173. GCW_69 says:

    SwedishPoster:
    GCW_69,

    I think Chia has his eyes on deep playoff runs and not scraping together a team that barely makes it if that and is out by round 1 while giving up future talent and Cap space. And a playoff also run was all that he could have hoped for with the cards he was dealt. Not buying out Ference and Nikitin, not going after Franson et al in free agency was the better Long term plan. We may not like it, or agree with it but Chia isn’t gunning for this season. This year is about evaluation, learning McLellans systems, instilling basic structure and work ethic in the group. All the while losing some Cap space anchors. Like it or not, Chiarelli hasn’t suffered through nine years, I doubt he feels nearly as desperate as we do. That might change if the team stinks up the joint but as long as he sees the team evolving I doubt he’ll go hunting big trades. Unless a great opportunity presents itself ofc.

    I don’t believe being better this season and long playoff runs in the future are mutually exclusive. Buying out Ference this past summer vs next summer has minimal differences in terms of cap impacts (less than 2% of the cap for one year). As we saw, Franson signed a reasonable deal with as far as I know no trade restrictions.

    How would that have been seriously hurting the cap or future talent, unless you believe another teenager is going to save the franchise next year?

    The bar always has to be excellence. Just because Chiarelli is an improvement over MacT doesn’t mean we should be satisfied when he delivers less than excellence.

  174. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    On the D front:

    I’m expecting Davidson Gryba to draw in.

    The next game will be Davidson Reinhart.

    They are rotating the bottom pair, they subbed Ference in for one, hopefully no more.

    We should avoid panicking.

  175. Lowetide says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    On the D front:

    I’m expecting Davidson Gryba to draw in.

    The next game will be Davidson Reinhart.

    They are rotating the bottom pair, they subbed Ference in for one, hopefully no more.

    We should avoid panicking.

    I think Gryba might be the constant.

  176. stevezie says:

    But who? You can’t call it a missed opportunity without identifying what it was an opportunity for.

    If we buy WG’s “guy”‘s assurance that offers were made to erhoff and franson (and i do buy it), then what difference would buying out ference or nitkinin have made?

    Ference and Nitkinin getting paid to suck this year helps the future cap. Had any of the UFAs signed, one or both would have been bought out.

    True, their presence complicates trades, but we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.

  177. Alsker says:

    Lowetide: the day they didn’t buy out someone in the Schultz window and sign Franson, I mentioned this was going to be a ‘waste year one of McDavid’s deal’ season. too bad really, but the MacT adds couldn’t be thrown overboard altogether in one summer.

    You have to chalk this season up to McDavids development for the future(only good spin I could come up with, not that I agree with it). The real issue for me is why MacT is still here. I know, beating a dead horse, but the bad signings, Petry handling, gnaws away at me seeing him around the team still. Has he no shame.

  178. AsiaOil says:

    That’s trade strategy – wait until you know who is tanking and then send them Ference as the nuclear option that trumps all other potential tankers 🙂

    G Money: Yup.The way it should work is by the time Ference draws in, the season’s done for anyway, and now he becomes your secret tank weapon.

    Hey.

    Maybe THAT’S why he’s still around!Tank insurance!

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