WE’VE PASSED THIS WAY BEFORE

The Edmonton Oilers danced in Dallas once upon a time, but those times are long gone blue. Todd Marchant’s brilliant speed and stunning breakaway goal gave us a bookend to Curtis Joseph’s career save, and this northern town rocked into the night, many moons ago.

It has been a long time. Edmonton losing in Dallas is no big thing, but the way they lost it caught the eye of Todd McLellan and he had a few choice words after the game.

Time-on-ice is a good indicator of who got left behind, but I think we should also identify those who simply could not keep up. As frustrating as Justin Schultz was at times last night, at least he was in the photo. Eric Gryba? That’s as close to ‘A Night with Cory Cross’ as you’re going to get in today’s NHL.

Definitely some chemistry on that line, and it’s also true the trio had the Klefbom and Sekera pairings out with them on those shifts. Todd McLellan is still evaluating, but there should be some serious forensics going on in regard to that third pairing.

Lander is a surprise, but he has a right to an off game. The young C hasn’t been the same since Leon Draisaitl was sent away, and the magic of that 3line (those two with Yak) may not see the sunshine all year. Mark Letestu was far more noticeable in last night’s tilt (especially on the PK).

As for Slepyshev, I said on the weekend it was time to send him down. There’s no sin here, the young man had a hot camp, made an impression, won a job. The sin is in keeping him, ala Lander in his first trip across the pond. Oilers coaching and management have an excuse—all of these players were new to them—but the time is now to send this young man to the farm. If you’re still stubborn on keeping Leon in the minors, bring up Pakarinen.

THE BLUE, LAST NIGHT

oil d v dallThere are many issues here, let’s take them one at a time:

  • Justin Schultz is playing too much again. He led the blue in possession but there were all kinds of passing issues and coverage foibles. He can’t play this much. Seriously.
  • Brandon Davidson was paired with Gryba and that wasn’t a successful pairing. I have to say McLellan didn’t seem to be worried about finding cover for the pairing, suggesting this is a trial and error beginning to the year. You don’t get much more ‘trial by fire’ than Davidson last night. I didn’t like the look of it, but he outperformed the veteran to my eye.
  • Oscar Klefbom didn’t have a good game by the numbers, but he continued to be dreamy by the eye. Man we need three more of these guys. He and Schultz are 46% Corsi for 5×5 so far this season. On the road, mind, but I don’t think this is the shutdown pairing.
  • Eric Gryba isn’t going to be effective against a team like Dallas because they’re so fast. Peter Chiarelli needs to see this before the team commits long term.
  • Andrej Sekera was on the tough zone-start pairing and that duo got fed (as above). I mentioned this in pre-season, but would love to see Sekera RH side with Klefbom as the top pairing. Barring a trade, for me it’s the best plan available.
  • Mark Fayne was the other member of the top pairing and it was not good. The Sekera—Fayne pairing is humming along at 40% Corsi 5×5, so the Klefbom—Schultz duo is outperforming them significantly. I think Fayne is going to be traded.
  • A real team, one that was trying for the playoffs, wouldn’t have this many question marks. That’s a fact.

CENTERS, LAST NIGHT

oil c v dall

  • McDavid does so many good things in a game—even this one—it’s impossible to include everything. I’ll list subtle back checks in the neutral zone that are deadly effective, a filthy hit on Oduya (love it!), the goal, the speed to pass blue like they’re standing still, and the sublime passing. That’s last night. He was 15-17 with Nail and 17-17 with Pouliot last night. Insane delivery on an evening when the team was getting crushed.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins wasn’t as effective last night to my eye and the numbers confirm. A big and effective lineup like the Stars (nine minutes against Seguin at EVs, 10-15 Corsi) still gives him trouble and he couldn’t get it going in the FO circle. He is 50% Corsi for 5×5 on this trip, 58.7% with Hall. Keep them together.
  • Matt Hendricks had a great game to my eye. Seriously. 10% ZS and 38% Corsi is good, good, good, plus he helped out on the top line when needed. Now, I can hammer Chiarelli for not having a better offensive option but the coach may not want Leon on the team right now. Good job Hendricks.
  • Anton Lander had a tough night, full stop. What’s more, this road trip has been a 5×5 garbage barge.
  • Mark Letestu impressed me on the PK, not much to say about a night 5×5 where he got a nil ZS and played half of those minutes with Luke Gazdic.

WINGERS, LAST NIGHT

oil w v dall

  • Taylor Hall struggled badly, despite the Corgi’s. I think he may be battling the McLellan ‘Place and Chase’ plan and might be a stubborn kind of fellow. I believe it’s going to be fine, and don’t buy for an instant that Hall can’t process the game or that he won’t buy in. Old habits die hard, ladies. 51.8% on the season.
  • Benoit Pouliot has had some moments where he didn’t seem involved, but last night I saw him good. I like him with McDavid, he’s a more physical player and has enough skill to play a complementary role. He is 51.9% with McDavid and 50% with Yakupov this year.
  • Nail Yakupov skated miles last night and had some terrific moments. He also had one or two moments of less than perfection and you’re bound to read all about it today. I’ll also those on other sites to rail about Nail, I love that his possession number is damn close to 50 and that he’s a substantial part of the team. That’s all this kid ever wanted, in my view.
  • Teddy Purcell gets all the slings and arrows but he’s playing well with Nuge and can be effective on the power play. A matchup against Dallas doesn’t suit him, they have so many fast trains.
  • Anton Slepyshev is getting lost in the shuffle and that’s what happens to young players trying to establish themselves. A trip to the AHL for a time is what the doctor ordered.
  • Lauri Korpikoski was not good last night, that’s why Matt Hendricks (deservedly) got the push. He is 37.3% Corsi for 5×5 on this road trip.
  • Luke Gazdic is playing as well as he can.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show today, it all gets underway at 10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. McDavid’s goal, the road trip and c-c-c-hanges on the way. We may even talk a little MLB.
  • Sean Beissel, Donnan Hockey. We’re going to talk about coaching offense. Questions welcome.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. We’ll preview the Blue Jays game today against the Rangers, and talk Oilers plus the big CFL trade.
  • Moving Target. I haven’t decided about the fourth guest.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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180 Responses to "WE’VE PASSED THIS WAY BEFORE"

  1. dustrock says:

    3 games in. No need to panic.

    However: not sure how this D core can continue to employ a Sekera who, we’ll assume, is rusty, and Fayne and Gryba. You take the long view in the first 20 games, especially with new coach and GM, 1/3 new roster, and no Eberle, but Fayne looks like he’s got cement skates, and Gryba, who performed well against the Blues, just looked 2 steps behind all night. Davidson tried but I don’t think he can do it.

    Schultz, to his credit, really is trying, and I think he’s probably better in the D zone than he has been. He continues to pass into skates in the neutral zone, and he is unable to QB a power play. We want him to be Shattenkirk, and I don’t think he can be.

    I don’t get the point of employing Gazdic, great personality be damned, and Korpikoski has been very unimpressive.

    And yes, the obvious cry is for Nurse and Draisaitl to be called up, but I’m not sure they help this mess. This is on the veteran players to figure things out, and the GM to make a move or 3 if things don’t look great.

    But dat goaltending!

  2. SoCaloil says:

    Luke Gadzic is not playing as well as he can because he didn’t fight 🙂

  3. zatch says:

    Gryba is exactly as advertised. He can play some defence, he can’t do a goddamn thing offensively or in transition. In today’s NHL, you need that, or a partner who can do that.

    The defence needs a stud. He’s gotta be strong, he’s gotta be fast and he’s gotta be fresh from the fight.

  4. Zack says:

    Lowetide, what would you suggest to help the Oilers defense? Is it time Chia looks at bringing in someone new and if so, who?

  5. SoCaloil says:

    I thought Nail played well.
    He skated hard to back check on that last goal, shit he had the shot and was the first one back
    He missed his mark, but that’s a small adjustment. Plenty of will there.

    He needs a bit more confidence. That breakaway was too easy to read
    He will get there. Very encouraged

    Was hall sick? Food poisoning? Diarrhea ? Hungover ?
    He was a game time decision

  6. SoCaloil says:

    Here’s a thought. NJ needs offense, Edmonton needs D
    Time to dance

  7. Lowetide says:

    Zack:
    Lowetide, what would you suggest to help the Oilers defense? Is it time Chia looks at bringing in someone new and if so, who?

    Klefbom—Sekera

    pray for rain.

  8. rich says:

    FWIW the coaches verbal matched what I saw last night.

    Throwback game to the last several years where we were totally out skated, outmatched and over-whelmed. Goaltending kept us in…but even with that, Nilsson leaked a pair.

    Turned it off in disgust when Yak didn’t finish the breakaway and Dallas came back and scored. Le sigh.

    Old habits die hard. Real hard.

  9. böök¡je says:

    I’m doing my best to remember that we need to wait a while before getting too concerned.

    I recall other seasons that started well only to crash.

  10. tommyjr26 says:

    Stop with 8 d. Either send Davidson down, or make a trade. Reinhart is in our top 6 he needs to play. Nagging voice, we can not win with the current mix of top 6, to many simular players. Wayne Simmonds anyone?

  11. SoCaloil says:

    And now playboy is announcing no more nudes

    This day is not starting off well

  12. TheGreatMcMutato says:

    Saw Hendricks good last night. An absolute wet-turd of a game, but he was the best Oiler by eye.

  13. Jaxon says:

    Gryba. What I noticed with him last night was that his awareness of his lack of speed backs him out of the offensive zone way too early. A puck came around the boards to his side of the blue a few times and I was expecting someone to challenge and keep it in. The camera pans with the puck and nobody is there; he’s already backing up over the Oilers blue line. He knows he can’t keep up so has to compensate by giving them way too much room. He may defend okay with positioning once it’s in the Oilers’ end but he’s often the reason they make it that far. I’ve always thought the D along boards should be a bit more aggressive and his partner backs up to cover if the pinch doesn’t work. It must put your positioning way out of wack when your partner is already back at your own blueline along the boards and your at center. It’s gifting the other team an easy breakout.

  14. mattwatt says:

    When is the alarm sounded on this defence? It seems this team is still wanting some “heavy” in the lineup but it is coming at the expense of “being able to play the game.” Gryba can’t continue to perform at this level, so when does he get some time off? Or do you keep running him?

    Also, our d corps could be:

    Sekera-Klefbom
    Reinhart-Jultz
    Nurse-Fayne

    Doesn’t that mix look more balanced? Strong first pairing, offensive ability with structure on the second pairing, and athleticism with age on the third pairing? Does that d corps help the team more? I know some are against kids learning against men, but currently we have men not being able to perform against men. What is the difference?

    Also, how much of this lays at the forwards feet. Defensive issues is starting to become a broken record, and it can’t always lay at the feet of the dmen. What then should the forwards be held accountable for?

    Again, only 3 games in but we are having a more questions than answers. Welcome to another Oilers season. Starting to feel a bit like “meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

    Here is hoping we don’t get fooled again.

  15. 106 and 106 says:

    Sucking the hind banana, man.

    Though Mr. McDavid scored his first.

    Coach saying exactly what we saw.

    Can imagine it’s a day of ‘battle-drills’ for the team.

  16. SoCaloil says:

    tommyjr26,

    With Ebs out, we have no FWDs to sit in the box
    Better to have drai miller and IRO playing in AhL

  17. Jaxon says:

    I don’t think our D is really better this year. Petry may be better than, equal to, worse than Sekera. We could debate that for hours. I think Rienhart will be better some day but, right now, I think Marincin is better. I think Gryba and Aulie are basically the same player with Gryba having a slight edge, maybe. That’s a big wash to me on D. We’re praying for better goaltending right now, and so far, we’ve been lucky to get it. Although Nilsson’s blunders looked quite bad last night, he was otherwise exceptional. But to win, you can’t give up blunders. With Eberle out, I think the forward group isn’t better either. This could be a depressing fall.

  18. Visually better says:

    Absolutely not asking this because I think he is the problem, but what are the exact terms or the Sekera contract Again? This is really going to hinder us going forward paying him like a 1D instead of a 3-4.

    Our defence is going to impossible to revamp unless nurse is an absolute stud. And even if he does become what we hope of him, that still won’t be for a long time I’m afraid. Throwing long term money at free agency seems to never really play out. Especially in our market. We’re in for the long haul fellas

  19. LMHF#1 says:

    At this stage Slepyshev is better than Purcell, Korpikoski, Gazdic and Klinkhammer.

    If they go out and replace the other guys with better parts then fine…but otherwise he should be in. He’s one of the only players getting chances.

  20. Zack says:

    mattwatt:
    When is the alarm sounded on this defence? It seems this team is still wanting some “heavy” in the lineup but it is coming at the expense of “being able to play the game.” Gryba can’t continue to perform at this level, so when does he get some time off? Or do you keep running him?

    Also, our d corps could be:

    Sekera-Klefbom
    Reinhart-Jultz
    Nurse-Fayne

    Doesn’t that mix look more balanced? Strong first pairing, offensive ability with structure on the second pairing, and athleticism with age on the third pairing? Does that d corps help the team more? I know some are against kids learning against men, but currently we have men not being able to perform against men. What is the difference?

    Also, how much of this lays at the forwards feet. Defensive issues is starting to become a broken record, and it can’t always lay at the feet of the dmen. What then should the forwards be held accountable for?

    Again, only 3 games in but we are having a more questions than answers. Welcome to another Oilers season. Starting to feel a bit like “meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

    Here is hoping we don’t get fooled again.

    Actually, I kind of like the look of that. As for Hall, there were a few times last night where he definitely didn’t look like the player that plays with a wreckless abandon, instead looked like a guy that may be fighting something. Maybe too many wobly pops or a guy who had been in the sun the last day demolishing a boomstick.

  21. Snowman says:

    Visually better,

    6 x $5.5M. He’s not paid like a number one. He’s paid like a 2-3. Same as Petry more or less. And that’s what he is. It’s not a value contract but its not an overpay in my opinion. Although he hasn’t been stellar so far but again he’s miscast as a number one on this team.

  22. Little Poteet says:

    I bet McLellan has some really strong opinions next time the guys want to spend the day before a game at a baseball game. I’m sure the relaxation and “getting away from each other” was good, but they didn’t show up to the game prepared to play. It took them 30 minutes to get into the game, then lost their focus for the last 5 minutes. That’s on preparation, not talent

  23. D says:

    Yakupov needs to keep the positives going – best part of the season so far for me!

  24. Visually better says:

    Snowman,

    Oh for some reason I thought it was 6.5/year. Okay yeah that’s not 1d money for sure. That makes more sense. We are still relying so heavily on Reinhart and nurse to be stellar national league defense in a very short period of time. Trading for a 1d isn’t even going to Happen and they obviously don’t make it to free agency. No short term fixes available.

  25. Really? says:

    We have heard that the Oilers are concerned that they might lose Davidson if they place him on waivers. Really???

    Davidson is a marginal D man on the worst blue in the league, playing for historically the worst team in the league and the “brain trust” is worried someone else may pick him up? Really???

    It isn’t our #6/7/8 D men that are the problem here. The top 5 D men are a dog’s breakfast. It will be interesting to see what Chia and the Toddler do to fix it.

  26. Ducey says:

    I guess people see what they want to see. I thought Yak tried hard, but seems to have hockey IQ problems. Corgis of 40% with an 80% zone start is crap.

    It is nice to see that POU – MCD – YAK had some chemistry. The Oilers might have a 2nd line there.

    And LT, you missed the real story: We might just have two goalies. Nilsson was great last night. It should have been 8 – 2 with all the 10 bell shots the Stars had.

    Finally, I would guess the Oilers were caught off guard by the difference between the way the Stars play and the slower more defensively conscious STL and NAS clubs. That, along with adjusting to a new system will make you look bad: Whereas you need to run one system against STL you need to play it differently vs. an aggressive team like DAL.

    Finally, finally, Leon played like crap in his last AHL game. It is not the time to recall him. GIVE IT UP ALREADY 🙂

  27. J-Bo says:

    LT, you didn’t fill out the ramifications of your Klefbom- Sekera pairing. I think TMac likely agrees with you but knows he doesn’t have the ponies to make it happen:

    Klefbom-Sekera
    Reinhart-Schultz
    Davidson/Gryba/Ference-Fayne

    The top pairing looks great and the rest looks like a trainwreck! LT, do you really think they should try this pairing without changing our ponies on defense first?

  28. Really? says:

    D:
    Yakupov needs to keep the positives going – best part of the season so far for me!

    I must admit that to date I have seriously questioned Yakupov’s ability to make it in the NHL. I must say that I am really pleased to see the growth in his game so far this season. We are seeing a significant improvement but he still has to begin scoring if he is going to be a success in this league.

  29. MenovOil says:

    Fuck, I wonder if Chiarelli gives the Bruins a call and asks a few questions about Chara being available? He’s no longer the player he once was but he should be able to stabilize the D and drop a few guys down the pecking order.

    Otherwise, FUCK. I just can’t believe we’ll be out of it again by mid-November.

  30. Snowman says:

    Visually better,

    Agreed there are no short term fixes available. It would help a hell of a lot to have more mobility and puck moving in the pairs though. There’s really only 1 pair that is decent at moving the puck Schultz/Klef and one pair that is sort of ok at it Sekera/Fayne and the third pair is terrible so far.

    Need to have some guys who can at least get it out with some consistency to the forwards or we’re sunk. Reinhart needs to play, he’s better at that skill than Gryba, Davidson, or Ference (and possibly Fayne).

    If you can have a pair of Sekera-Klef, Schultz-Reinhart and a third pair of Fayne and whoever. Then at least you have two pairs who can move it. It would help.

  31. Woodguy says:

    SoCaloil:
    Here’s a thought.NJ needs offense, Edmonton needs D
    Time to dance

    They’re so deep on D that they are taking turns scratching Severson, Gelinas and Moore.

    Severson and Gelinas are RHD.

    It was they who made Fayne expendable to Lou.

    Last game they ran:

    Greene-Larsson
    Moore-Severson
    Schlemko – Gelinas

    Fayne played with Greene before but the GM is new so It might not count.

    Would NJD do Larsson for Yak + Fayne?

    Here’s the top 2 lines NJD ran last game in case you are wondering how bad they need scoring:

    Tlusty- Henrique-Palmeri
    Cammalleri – Zajac – Tootoo

    Wow.

    Their first line wingers are a guy they signed for $800 in September and a guy who was 9th on the Ducks last year in TOI/gm

    2nd line is a good Cammy, but he’s 33 and Tootoo. Tootoo.

    Something has to be able to be worked out here.

  32. HiddenDarts says:

    I certainly hope the whole “we could lose Davidson to waivers”-narrative isn’t something Chia has even considered close to true at this point.

    If Irwin makes it through waivers, there’s no chance in hell that Davidson gets picked up.

    As much as we love him (and his great story), let’s remember that pretty much every team has a Davidson.

    Anyway. Bring back Reinhart already.

  33. McSorley33 says:

    Taylor Hall struggled badly, despite the Corgi’s. I think he may be battling the McLellan ‘Place and Chase’ plan and might be a stubborn kind of fellow. I believe it’s going to be fine, and don’t buy for an instant that Hall can’t process the game or that he won’t buy in. Old habits die hard, ladies
    **********************************************************************************************
    Indeed…

    Curious to see how the regulars digest this one..

    A few of the unwashed (non-regulars)have made similar statements and received a less than stellar response over the past few years.

    I am not so sure TMac was not partially referring to Anton Lander….Anton Lander has skating/speed issues. Love the player…but. I am not sure how this is going to play out….

  34. HiddenDarts says:

    Really?:
    We have heard that the Oilers are concerned that they might lose Davidson if they place him on waivers. Really???

    Davidson is a marginal D man on the worst blue in the league, playing for historically the worst team in the league and the “brain trust” is worried someone else may pick him up? Really???

    It isn’t our #6/7/8 D men that are the problem here. The top 5 D men are a dog’s breakfast. It will be interesting to see what Chia and the Toddler do to fix it.

    Ha! You beat me to the punch!

  35. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy: They’re so deep on Dthat they are taking turns scratching Severson, Gelinas and Moore.

    Severson and Gelinas are RHD.

    I’d rather they have traded the Reinhart package for Gelinas. Go get that guy.

  36. Ducey says:

    HiddenDarts: Ha! You beat me to the punch!

    Really?

  37. speeds says:

    Anyone think the OIlers take a look at Visnovsky, is he still available?

  38. 719 says:

    Why not call up Andrew Miller? He did well in his NHL debut last year and is doing well on the farm.

  39. SwedishPoster says:

    I think the forwards were the biggest problem defensively last night bad on the forecheck, non-existant pressure through the neutral zone and very little puck support on the breakouts. The D weren’t much to celebrate but I don’t think Davidson was nearly as bad as has been suggested, vastly outplayed his E partner. Klefbom was good, Schultz ok but sloppy. The Sekera-Fayne pairing really strk uggled to get anything done, Sekera had a couple of Nice defensive plays but his skating looks worse than it did last season, still catching up after his injury at the End of last season?
    Nilsson obviously had a good game but all three goals had some iffy to them.
    The bottom six was dreadful 5v5 outside of Hendrix. Hall and Nuge weren’t awful but I expect more from our top players. The McDavid Lineas the only one that provided some consistent offense, but they also had some struggles in the other end, I still think they should get a few games to see if there’s something there despite some defensive chaos. They all work hard and looked a handful when they gotthe forecheck going. If they can expand that through the neutral zone and work on their d-zone positioning we’re rolling.

  40. Caramel Obvious says:

    If that is what Sekera and Fayne are this team is in deep, deep, trouble. There are no words for how bad they have been this season.

    Two years in a row the GM has gone out and gotten the guy most of us wanted. Two years in a row that guy turns out to be not very good. This is the #1 problem.

    A problem that was compounded by giving away Marincin for nothing. He’d be the team’s second best defenseman right now.

    Yakupov played well. It’s crazy how everything turns on three seconds. If he had scored we’d be living in a different world right now. At least until tomorrow.

    But really, the forwards are irrelevant so long as the D is what it is.

  41. FTO says:

    mattwatt:
    When is the alarm sounded on this defence? It seems this team is still wanting some “heavy” in the lineup but it is coming at the expense of “being able to play the game.” Gryba can’t continue to perform at this level, so when does he get some time off? Or do you keep running him?

    Also, our d corps could be:

    Sekera-Klefbom
    Reinhart-Jultz
    Nurse-Fayne

    Doesn’t that mix look more balanced? Strong first pairing, offensive ability with structure on the second pairing, and athleticism with age on the third pairing? Does that d corps help the team more? I know some are against kids learning against men, but currently we have men not being able to perform against men. What is the difference?

    Also, how much of this lays at the forwards feet. Defensive issues is starting to become a broken record, and it can’t always lay at the feet of the dmen. What then should the forwards be held accountable for?

    Again, only 3 games in but we are having a more questions than answers. Welcome to another Oilers season. Starting to feel a bit like “meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

    Here is hoping we don’t get fooled again.

    Goddamn I like the Looks of that D (well compared to the last couple of years). It’s weird trying to piece together a fix from our D from within when more and more it just looks like everyone is simply playing a pairing too high. We just need two #1 D and that’s pretty much all there is to that.

    I know he’s old but man Byfuglien would be an absolute godsend. The last years of his contract we’d have to give him will suck but it’s the price we will have to pay with someone.

    Unless Nurse comes in and blows the leagues socks off (possible for sure) we’d even need another D after Buff (just a player I’m using as an example). It’s a bit of a mess back there that’s for sure.

    It would be really nice to grab Marchand if he’s actually available too.

  42. Dominoiler says:

    For all of you that hold corsi as some kind of gospel*, divine understanding of each game n player, maybe someone needs to start tracking flubbers/60 or muffins/60 then compare that with Hall’s corsi ratings to give it greater context.. On one hand I feel stupid for getting caught up in blaming top players for the struggles of the whole team, but Hall gets too much of a corsi pass for such a high flubbers/60 rating..

    Hoping he can turn it around and that the oil can start to get more offensive zone time.. Opposing D are too fresh and don’t take any beatings, need to wear them down, can’t just try to beat them on the rush..

    * the overall corsi does show a clear story line from last night, the oil got hammered.. So many chances for Dallas, very few scoring chances for the oil, great game Nilsson (close to stealing it)..

  43. Caramel Obvious says:

    LMHF#1: I’d rather they have traded the Reinhart package for Gelinas. Go get that guy.

    And here is another big problem. Chiarelli wasted his best trade bullets on Reinhart who, while better than Davidson et al, is not anything close to a solution. What a godawful trade.

  44. leadfarmer says:

    So The guy you spent an excellent draft pick in a good draft and a good second round pick isn’t good enough to play every day in the league. Yes I still don’t like the trade.

  45. PhrankLee says:

    I’ll look at corsi no sooner than 10 games in.

    I absolutely loved Yak last night. Not his fault, this game.

    Shorten the bench and give up 50 shots…that’s on everyone.

    McSorley33: I am not so sure TMac was not partially referring to Anton Lander….Anton Lander has skating/speed issues. Love the player…but. I am not sure how this is going to play out….

    Coach said some key players were not engaged, not prepared.

    That will be paid for.

    I get the impression the players have stepped in something they have not experienced before:

    The oligarchical and Machiavellian mindset of a successful NHL coach.

    He must make them hate, absolutely hate, loosing. He said they were happy to defend. Content to not get scored on. The squad will pay. Now we can see another first for this team: how they respond to being spanked by Dallas, called upon for more by a “real coach” and limiting distractions.

    Time to grow up. I have every confidence they can.

  46. Woodguy says:

    Really?: I must admit that to date I have seriously questioned Yakupov’s ability to make it in the NHL. I must say that I am really pleased to see the growth in his game so far this season. We are seeing a significant improvement but he still has to begin scoring if he is going to be a success in this league.

    Thought Yak had a whale of a game and then the brain fart on the winning goal.

    Jultz even points to Spezza so Yak knows to take him and he just whiffed on the whole thing.

    Too bad because Yak’s back checking saved Jultz 3 times before then and Yak was also the best fore checker on the team and it wasn’t close.

    Loving Yak this year.

    I’d trade him for Larsson in heartbeat, but I like him a lot.

  47. oliveoilers says:

    SoCaloil:
    And now playboy is announcing no more nudes

    This day is not starting off well

    No nudes is good nudes……….not. *said in Wayne Campbell voice)

  48. Bag of Pucks says:

    Soft, don’t hit, don’t go to the hard areas, phone it in when they’re not feeling it.

    Wow, the issues haven’t gone away cos we drafted McDavid. Who’d a thunk it? In fairness, Connor himself was completely delinquent on the backcheck on the winning goal last night….

    Anje Kopitar said last night that the Kings are playing too soft too win in this league right now.

    The Kings too soft. Let that sink in for a second.

    Every team in this league has talent. The margin between winning and losing in this league is will. Who brings it more each and every night?

    The good news is we have Chia, and the mandate has not changed. This first 20 games is about finding out who from Core #1 is the ‘must trades’ and then dealing them for players that will actually bring it every night.

    Schultz and Purcell are givens. There is no amount of shelter you can give them to make them effective hockey players. They are ringette players in the National Hockey League. But they’re also the tip of the iceberg.

    Night after night, this team’s alleged best players (#1ovs everywhere) get their lunches eaten by the other team’s best, and very very soon, youth will no longer be an excuse.

    To think we could’ve drafted Seguin and Landeskog instead.

  49. McSorley33 says:

    The league is only getting faster….just not sure how Mark Fayne and Eric Gryba are going to handle this year.

    One thing that does NOT help – rotating D-men in and out of the lineup……

    If they are going to cement Gryba into the 3rd pairing – he CAN”T have a different d-partner every night….this has to stop.

  50. Dominoiler says:

    On the positive side, I saw a lot more back checking last night than ever game last season.. Still got a long way to go, but that was noticeably better.. Yak, come on, we are rooting for you, have to pick someone up on the third goal against..

  51. Oil_In_Atl says:

    >

    Lowetide: Klefbom—Sekera

    pray for rain.

    Ha! Not sure anyone else gets these references, but I do and they are right on and pretty funny at the same time

  52. MenovOil says:

    Regarding Yak, I guess people’s expectations of him have dropped considerably. When he was drafted I was hoping he would become what Tarasenko is right now. We’re now happy that he’s back checking hard.

    Former 1st overall of an entire draft. Man.

  53. LMHF#1 says:

    You’re on the only good line all night, just miss getting the go ahead goal twice (once Yakupov, once McDavid) and get bagged on because you’re busting your ass back and can’t read what Justin Schultz is going to do?

    Tough crowd.

    It can’t be overstated how lost Schultz looked in his own end last night.

  54. Clay says:

    I’m going to play Devil’s advocate here today, which, in crazy Oiler-land, means I’m going to be positive.

    Goalering – Nilsson looked legit last night, despite the odd first goal. I will not fault him on the Benn wrap-around as it was world-class, and he made a ton of saves he had no right making.

    Hall – he isn’t right yet. Don’t know if it’s the knees still, if he was sick all trip, or like LT mentioned he is having trouble adjusting to TMc’s system. Whatever it is, when he sorts it out, this team, only 3 games in, is finding the nucleus for two piss-cutting lines: Nuge-Hall and McD-Pou. These will be the best two lines in Oiler-land since 99-17 and 11-9.

    Nail is coming around.

    It’s three games in. New coach. Wildly undermanned blueline. Quite frankly, I’m surprised what happened last night didn’t also happen in St. Louis and Nashville. They’ve been better so far than I expected.

  55. rickithebear says:

    About Nilsson last night!

    Since the lockout 12-13 there is
    52.091 EV TOI/gm
    25.039 EV SH/gm .9226 EV SV%
    11.383 EV LCS/gm .9737 EV LCS SV%
    6.811 EV MCS/gm .9263 EV MCS SV%
    6.846 EV HCS/gm .8339 EV HCS SV%

    11.280 PK TOI/gm
    4.902 PK SH/gm .8738 PK SV%
    2.187 PK LCS/gm .9338 PK LCS SV%
    1.271 PK MCS/gm .8701 PK MCS SV%
    1.445 PK HCS/gm .7864 PK HCS SV%

    Last night Nilsson faced: G/SH
    Even
    LCS 0/17 17 X .9737 = .447 G
    MCS 2/8 8 X .9263 = .590 G
    HCS 1/15 15 X .8339 = 2.492 G
    3G given 3.529 G expected

    PK
    LCS 0/1 1 X .9338 = .066 G
    MCS 0/4 4 X .8701 = .520 G
    HCS 0/2 2 X .7864 = .427 G
    0G given 1.013 G expected

    EV and PK
    3G given 4.542 G expected. +1.542 Goalie performance.
    Yes sir we can now predict the expected G for shots faced by our goalies each game!
    and get a performance result in plus or minus goal dif.
    Nilsson 1gm +1.542 GD

  56. LMHF#1 says:

    MenovOil:
    Regarding Yak, I guess people’s expectations of him have dropped considerably. When he was drafted I was hoping he would become what Tarasenko is right now. We’re now happy that he’s back checking hard.

    Former 1st overall of an entire draft. Man.

    He’s the only player that’s shown the ability to play with McDavid so far. That should tell you something.

  57. unca miltie says:

    Lowetide: Klefbom—Sekera

    pray for rain.

    Did not think you were that old.

    Spain and Sain, pray for rain

  58. BrazilianOil says:

    Woodguy,

    Larson for Yak + Schultz?

  59. Cameron says:

    Woodguy:

    Something has to be able to be worked out here.

    NJ is in the middle of a rebuild. They drafted a bunch of defensemen, and let them marinate. They traded for an elite goaltender to hold the fort, and they are now working getting new young forwards high in the draft. (Zacha).

    By the time the new D corps are hitting their stride, Schneider will still be in his prime, and they will have a cadre of young guys up front coming in to complete the rebuild.

    In other words, they did it the right way, build down the middle, from back to front.

    I don’t think you’ll get them to deviate from that plan by dangling Yakupov, certainly not for Larsson who looks to be their cornerstone D-man moving forward. .

  60. fifthcartel says:

    Cameron,

    Apart from Zacha they have very little in terms of forward prospects, and the draft lottery of the 1-3 spots makes it even harder to get them through the draft. I think Shero would move one of them for Yakupov.

  61. Snowman says:

    LMHF#1: He’s the only player that’s shown the ability to play with McDavid so far. That should tell you something.

    Yak is miles from living up to his draft number. I love Yak but he’s got A LOT of ground to cover. He’s playing better this year so far and gords love him for his personality and his effort but he hasn’t put all the pieces together for any stretch of time consistently.

  62. G Money says:

    Brandon Davidson was paired with Gryba and that wasn’t a successful pairing. I have to say McLellan didn’t seem to be worried about finding cover for the pairing, suggesting this is a trial and error beginning to the year. You don’t get much more ‘trial by fire’ than Davidson last night. I didn’t like the look of it, but he outperformed the veteran to my eye.

    Eric Gryba isn’t going to be effective against a team like Dallas because they’re so fast. Peter Chiarelli needs to see this before the team commits long term.

    I hope TMc’s almost done with the 3rd pairing forensics.

    Reinhart and Gryba were a capable third pairing against a team that normally runs roughshod over the Oilers.

    Gryba (he becomes the de facto 5D) and Ference were hot garbage against a moderately capable offensive team in NSH.

    Gryba (also now 5D) and Davidson were a tire fire against a fast high powered Dallas offense.

    All that’s left to try is Reinhart with Davidson. Suspect that will prove to be just as capable (OK as third pairing, exposed elsewhere) as the Reinhart/Gryba pairing – and the default then is likely that Chia goes with his guy.

    Just make a decision and go.

  63. Water Fire says:

    I don’t think you can really separate forwards from defense, they are too interdependent. The goalie also suffers without stability and predictability in front of him.

    The Oiler’s main problems are inconsistent system play, and using players of questionable NHL level ability.

    I am sure Chiarelli is racking up a new level of long distance bills at Kingsway. We may not like what they build, but I’ll be shocked if this lasts a whole season as we are used to. It’s early and I doubt anyone important is worried, but the expected buy in will be in the now and not in the later.

    Getting control of any troubled group is a tiger by the tail. That McLellan and Chiarelli seem certain of what they want gives me confidence in the process.

  64. rickithebear says:

    Talbot 2GM
    EV
    LCS 0/22 .579
    MCS 1/10 .737
    HCS 3/15 2.492
    4 given 3.808 expected -.192 GD

    PK
    LCS 0/1 .066
    MCS 0/8 1.039
    HCS 0/2 .427
    0 given 1.532 expected + 1.532 GD
    4 given 5.34 expected 2gm +1.340 GD

  65. RexLibris says:

    Two things to take out of last night:

    Jen LC Retweeted
    Erin ‏@ErinB_DBD 11h11 hours ago

    Okay, it’s official now. The Benn-Seguin-Sharp line finished their game with more shots on goal than the entire LA Kings roster.

  66. RexLibris says:

    Jonathan Willis ‏@JonathanWillis 3m3 minutes ago

    . @dstaples writes that the #Oilers have made their choices at centre, and shouldn’t be interested in Mike Richards: http://bit.ly/1ZDoyO2

    Wait…WHAT! When was that even a consideration following his arrest?

    On the list of things this team needs Richards falls just below “cranial hemorrhage”.

  67. GriffCity says:

    What a game..Pure domination from the stars. Nilsson played outstanding and was the only reason the game was not 7-2. Talbot has also played extremely well in his 2 starts and the Oilers are still 0-3. Could you imagine if the goalies had played poorly so far? We would be getting destroyed. Its actually a joke that it appears we will be out of the playoff by Halloween once again. Im not trying to be a negative Nancy about the Oilers but I have watched all 3 games and in all 3 we have been vastly outplayed. Tyler Seguin had 10 shots on net last night…..10

    I am glad to see McDavid get his first goal, nice tip, no doubt a huge weight off the young mans shoulders. I also didn’t mind Davidsons game last night, he made some simple plays and didn’t get exposed, what more can you ask for at this point. Jultz looked like Jultz of yesteryear with soft passes in his own zone and a reluctance to get hit and a preference to toss the puck, soft as a muffin, into nowhere land, just to get rid of it and make it someone else’s problem. YOU CANT DO THAT JUSTIN. Thought Klefbom played well last night and despite Gryba being one of our best d-men in the first two games, he looked clueless last night and took some bad penalties to top it off.

    Talyor Hall was a slug last night and looked like he should be sick, which was the report. I did find it bizarre however that when they showed the highlight of the Oilers at the Jays game in the stands that Hall was among the boys, hooting and hollering and seemingly ripping it up. Hmm, must have got sick after that…Because he was USELESS last night. I felt sick just watching him.

    Finally, poor Nail…After surely getting ragged on about his defensive play, he misses a breakaway only to back check faster than a bullet to pick up exactly no one, and get scored on. My goodness Yak, I mean great back check, but WTF…WTF

  68. wheatnoil says:

    speeds:
    Anyone think the OIlers take a look at Visnovsky, is he still available?

    I don’t think they will, but I think it’s a reasonable move. Visnovsky’s 39 and I don’t know how much he’s got left in him. However, he performed fairly well over the last couple years and he has puck moving ability, which is something this team is desperately lacking.

    It’s too bad he wasn’t a right-y. I’m not sure he’s spent much time playing on the right side either.

    He won’t be a home-run, but he adds some skills that the Oilers sorely need and would help the roster this year until something higher up in the order comes available.

  69. knighttown says:

    Some thoughts on the game and a few good comments that should be repeated:

    1. Good analysis on Gryba LT. Why so good against St. Louis and so bad against Dallas? He matches up against the big diesels but can’t handle the fast cars. That’s good information to have and should help fill in the roster card.

    2. A good comment last night about expecting more from a Hall/Nuge entering their prime. They could push the river two years ago…why not now? And don’t put it on Teddy Purcell. Benn and Seguin play with Eaves. Getzlaf and Perry are playing with Jiri Sekac. If two #1 overalls can’t push the river without another stud they aren’t who we think they are. Not judging yet as they were good versus Nashville but last night was terrible Corsi-be-damned.

    3. It’s dangerous to wade into the Hemsky-difficult-to-play-with territory but perhaps it’s time to put the egos aside and get Hall away from the top pairings. He played well last year with Lander and Miller coming off injury. Maybe that’s (drop Sleppy) the right play here? He seems to really struggle when he gets stuck in his own zone and when he’s up against the Benns and Seguins that happens an awful lot. And frankly, I don’t think any opposing coach is going to go out of their way to chase him with tough matchups the way he’s playing now and with those lines.

  70. Truth says:

    The game was exemplified in one play to me yesterday. Middle of the second period, Hemsky flying up the right wing doing his usual carrying the puck over the blue line hugging the boards and bracing for the incoming hit while pushing the puck in deep or squeezing by the D. Sekera just waived his stick at Hemsky and pivoted way too late, Hemsky burned around him to set up a good opportunity. Everyone in the building, including Hemsky himself, knew the play was to throw a hit on Hemsky to remove him from the puck and let the other D partner collect the puck.

    Over and over again the Oilers just unwilling to engage physically. I’m not saying they turn into the Kings overnight, but for F sakes they’re playing like it’s rec league. It didn’t even look like they wanted to get the puck back from the opposition.

  71. wheatnoil says:

    I find it kind of fun that McDavid scores his first of the year on a tip-in… right on the heels of G Money’s post about the Oilers sorely lacking in that area.

    With one tip-in goal, the OIlers have officially scored 50% of their even-strength goals off tip-ins and have reached 20% of their entire season total last year in that category.

    MCDAVID IS FIXING IT! 🙂

  72. RexLibris says:

    G Money: Just make a decision and go.

    Not sure I get this “long term commitment to Gryba” talk.

    Is this even a consideration? These guys are usually easy to find and have short shelf lives, so why in heaven’s name would you want to commit “long term”?

    And how long are people thinking? 3 years? Longer?

    I’d move him at the deadline, personally.

    Re-signing him? One year would be my preference there, if need be.

  73. Younger Oil says:

    For those wondering, Loik Leveille has 5 goals and 2 assists in 7 games so far this season.

    Damn I wish they would have drafted him, or signed him.

  74. linkfromhyrule says:

    Man, the hyperbole is getting out of hand here today. Can we all just take a deep breath and step back from the ledge?

    Dallas Eakins does not coach this team anymore. Craig MacTavish is not the GM anymore. The defense is still just as bad as last year. Chiarelli is watching and assessing, and I do not at all feel the same about him as when Tambo was assessing his reassessment of his first assessment.

    We lost to three very good teams. The Stars have a much better offensive team than us at this point. No other way around it. Our D is still a tire fire, and our F are learning a new system. Ebs is out, Hall is not 100%, and TmC is still figuring out his lines. Do we think for one second that TmC liked what he saw last night? I will say that I am confused by the OZS% for the Gryba-Davidson pairing. Waste of an Ozone start since Gryba cannot ever hold the damn offensive blueline.

    2/3 of NSF are no longer in the every day lineup, and the remainder is actually looking like less of a liability. Still wobbly, but the effort is there, whereas there was none in years past.

    And hey, Connor scored a goal, and a tipped goal no less! I immediately thought of Gmoney’s excellent work on that when he scored it. It will be the first of many. First though, Chia needs to fix the D.

  75. Eastern Oil says:

    Woodguy,

    Plus he was the first forward back after missing on a breakaway was he not? He was good until he wasn’t on that play. Even if he would have picked the wrong guy he would have had someone.

    Not a great goal for Nilson but he was probably shell shocked at that point.

  76. knighttown says:

    I said it before and I’ll keep saying it. This is the era of the defenseman and it’s the biggest obstacle that may keep this team from reaching (what many perceive) to be their destiny. Our most important player based on time on ice is Justin Schultz. Eric Gryba played way more at evens than every forward but Hall and Eberle.

    I think people misunderstand the difference between players being on the ice and players being on the roster. Every team has marginal players on their roster but good teams have their good players on the ice a lot and their bad players on the ice rarely. This team has (perhaps) more good players than most NHL teams it’s just that their bad players are on the ice and able to impact the game way more than their good players.

    The Oilers have a fantastic place-kicker and a hall of fame punter but their starting Tim Couch at quarterback and wondering why they’re losing.

    There’s something to this guys. There aren’t many theories left about why the Oilers are still terrible. We’ve looked at everything else, coaching/systems, talent, youth, size and yet here we are.

  77. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ya know a contrarian could argue that the fastest way to turn around this team would be to hold a ‘Lindros-esque’ auction for McDavid.

    The Flyers got a #1C (Forsberg) who was actually better than the big E, a legitimate PP QB (Duschene) and very versatile Top 9 F (Ricci), a starting G (Hextall), a bottom pairing D (Huffman), a goon w/power forward potential (Simon), two first round picks, and $15mil in cash!

    Imagine that infusion of talent into this roster.

    Problem #1 however, no GM is likely to part with that much talent collectively in a salary cap era. The only possibilities would be a team in a market starved for a marquee gate attraction that would willingly take the pipeline hit for the short-term gate receipts.

    Bigger Problem #2. You’re still left with our flawed Core #1 as the centerpiece for the rebuild and it’s looking more and more like that will never be the core of a championship contender.

    Rebuild #1 is officially done. We can call it a failure and stick a fork in it. Rebuild #2 starts with KBom, Nurse, Drai, and McDavid. Fortunately that represents the right approach for a rebuild. Build down the middle and start by drafing the D first.

    Is this panic from a poor start or realism that this team’s fatal flaws never seem to fully disappear? I’m not sure, but I do know that this team kills coaches with their lack of will and physicality and the only thing that will ever solve that is trading the primary culprits.

    TO moved on from their Kessel. We have to do the same.

  78. rickithebear says:

    Tarasenko:
    (21yr) 38gm 8G .211 G/GM 10.7 shotting% 1.97 SH/gm
    (22yr) 64gm 21G .325 G/gm 15.4% 2.125 SH/gm
    (23yr) 77gm 37G .481 G/gm 14.7% 3.43 SH/gm
    (24yr) 3gm 2G .666 G/gm 15.4% 4.33 SH/gm

    Yakupov
    (19yr) 48gm 17G .354 G/gm 21.0 shooting % 1.69 SH/gm
    (20yr) 63gm 11G .175 G/gm 9.0% 1.94 SH/gm
    (21 yr) 81gm 14G .173 G/gm 7.3%
    (21yr Pre allstar) 52gm 5 G .096 G/gm 4.7% 2.06 SH/gm
    (21yr post allstar) 29gm 9G .310 G/gm 10.7% 2.90 SH/gm
    (22yr) ????????? 3gm 0G 6Sh 2.00 Sh/gm

  79. Oil2Oilers says:

    Woodguy: Thought Yak had a whale of a game and then the brain fart on the winning goal.

    Jultz even points to Spezza so Yak knows to take him and he just whiffed on the whole thing.

    Too bad because Yak’s back checking saved Jultz 3 times before then and Yak was also the best fore checker on the team and it wasn’t close.

    Loving Yak this year.

    I’d trade him for Larsson in heartbeat, but I like him a lot.

    Agreed.

    I would be happier giving up next year 1st & 2nd picks as part of a package for Larsson than Yak. I value him higher than next years magic beans, but NJ probably does as well. There new manager though is not as crafty so there is hope.

    Klefbom-Larsson would anchor the blue for a long time.

  80. G Money says:

    RexLibris,

    Just to clarify – I’m talking about the roster decision, not the contract decision.

    No way would I resign Gryba when his contract ends.

    But based on the performances we’ve seen so far, Reinhart’s clearly in fifth, and Gryba was an effective match for him at 6th, so you make the decision and go with that until they demonstrate that you need to change up.

    I don’t get, and never have gotten, the need to tinker with the parts of the roster that are working.

    So I’ll assume the 3rd pair tinkering of the last three games is to see all of the 5-6-7-8 guys under the live fire of the regular season. There is no other reason to have Reinhart in the PB and Ference on the ice, is there?

    OK, so experiment done. Now make the decision and go.

  81. OilClog says:

    Hey guys lets trade our best forward so far this season… Sounds great!

  82. G Money says:

    Just remember that both LA and PIT are also 0-3, and Connor McDavid is outscoring Sidney Crosby by infinity times!

  83. OilClog says:

    Trade Yak.. Replace him with…

    Hahahahaah.

    We need defence, but not at the expense of one our best players, in a position we have no depth.

    But let’s trade Yak anywho..

  84. Bag of Pucks says:

    When is a fair age to expect the Nuge to be able to saw off the toughs on a consistent basis?

  85. Lois Lowe says:

    The TMac experiment has failed. With a better roster he’s getting worse results than Nelson. He’s obviously a dementor who hellbent on ruining Taylor Hall.

    Nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be safe.

  86. Drew says:

    Snowman: Yak is miles from living up to his draft number. I love Yak but he’s got A LOT of ground to cover. He’s playing better this year so far and gords love him for his personality and his effort but he hasn’t put all the pieces together for any stretch of time consistently.

    Yes, but he is moving forward now and we can all see the good in his game…

  87. McSorley33 says:

    Is it too early to start talking about Jakob Chychrun…?

  88. wheatnoil says:

    Lois Lowe:
    The TMac experiment has failed. With a better roster he’s getting worse results than Nelson. He’s obviously a dementor who hellbent on ruining Taylor Hall.

    Nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be safe.

    You forgot to mention his hair.

  89. Drew says:

    G Money:
    RexLibris,

    Just to clarify – I’m talking about the roster decision, not the contract decision.

    No way would I resign Gryba when his contract ends.

    But based on the performances we’ve seen so far, Reinhart’s clearly in fifth, and Gryba was an effective match for him at 6th, so you make the decision and go with that until they demonstrate that you need to change up.

    I don’t get, and never have gotten, the need to tinker with the parts of the roster that are working.

    So I’ll assume the 3rd pair tinkering of the last three games is to see all of the 5-6-7-8 guys under the live fire of the regular season.There is no other reason to have Reinhart in the PB and Ference on the ice, is there?

    OK, so experiment done.Now make the decision and go.

    Don Jackson (i kow i am going old school here)… that is the role that Gryba is filling for the management team. Feels like he gets more than his share of McD time to ride a little shotgun?
    I agree that TCAF should never see the ice again and go with what gives the team the best chance to win.

  90. Cameron says:

    fifthcartel:
    Cameron,

    Apart from Zacha they have very little in terms of forward prospects, and the draft lottery of the 1-3 spots makes it even harder to get them through the draft. I think Shero would move one of them for Yakupov.

    I’lll agree and disagree.

    I absolutely agree they are thin up front prospect wise.

    But nobody in their right mind trades a cost controlled , young, high-ceiling Dman for a scoring winger anymore.

    I have to say, the endless speculation about Larsson reminds me of this space’s obsession with Couturier the last few years. Unless somebody loses their mind, they aren’t going to trade an asset like that for the players/picks fans here appear willing to offer.

    I have maintained that to get a high-end young D-man you are going to need to put a young, high-end C on the table. Wingers (even Hall in some cases) aren’t going to cut it.

  91. jm363561 says:

    Not read all the threads but after just watching the game online (from Sicily!) the positives are – easier to waive Davison now, the goal tending is better, and errhh. That’s it. I am sure the spreadsheet guys are already computing that if we had last year’s tending we would be conceding an extra goal a game, or so. Anton – my love for you is becoming undone!

  92. dustrock says:

    People can talk about Jultz not getting it done in the D zone but its his offensive and neutral zone problems which are far more concerning.

    not surprisingly Klefbom scored, not Juklz

  93. Visually better says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    I have to agree with the notion of rebuild 2.0. Deciding who you would want to keep as you core would be the difficult part obviously. And unfortunately we have such few pieces outside the core to keep that the return on the rest would be so minimal. I agree that this make up doesn’t have anything close to what it takes to COMPETE in this league let alone the west coast.

    I used to be under the assumption that we were one or two d-men away from a contender but I just don’t see it anymore. I realize a good 80% of our team-wide struggle (defense, scoring, cerebral play) comes from our blue. But our overall make up is way to lacking in competitiveness, physicality etc.. We base way too much emphasis on pure offence, and although it’s good to watch, it’s not enough to win games. The Chicago, Tampa’s, and even St Louis’ of the league have incredible talented offence but their top guys also are the most competitive and hard working players on the ice. So although we don’t have a Keith, hedman or pietrenagelo amongst others. We also don’t have the skilled players willing to do literally whatever it takes to win outside of the Nuge IMO.

  94. LoDog says:

    I see Larsson’s name thrown about.

    What exactly makes him desirable?

    I see a whole lot of meh but if someone wants to enlighten me..

  95. Donye West says:

    I just checked the schedule and it turns out we don’t have to play all 82 games on the road against the Western Conference.

  96. Bag of Pucks says:

    Visually better:
    Bag of Pucks,

    I have to agree with the notion of rebuild 2.0. Deciding who you would want to keep as you core would be the difficult part obviously. And unfortunately we have such few pieces outside the core to keep that the return on the rest would be so minimal. I agree that this make up doesn’t have anything close to what it takes to COMPETE in this league let alone the west coast.

    I used to be under the assumption that we were one or two d-men away from a contender but I just don’t see it anymore. I realize a good 80% of our team-wide struggle (defense, scoring, cerebral play) comes from our blue. But our overall make up is way to lacking in competitiveness, physicality etc.. We base way too much emphasis on pure offence, and although it’s good to watch, it’s not enough to win games. The Chicago, Tampa’s, and even St Louis’ of the league have incredible talented offence but their top guys also are the most competitive and hard working players on the ice. So although we don’t have a Keith, hedman or pietrenagelo amongst others. We also don’t have the skilled players willing to do literally whatever it takes to win outside of the Nuge IMO.

    In Chiarelli we trust.

    Core #1 is more interested in their annual trip to Vegas than they are in a trip to the playoffs.

    Can’t blame Chia or TMac, they didn’t create the entitlement. They’re just the ones charged with cleaning it up.

    Trade Hall and next year’s first for a legitimate vet #1 D (shelter/mentor for KBom and Nurse)
    Trade Nuge and his cap friendly contract for a legitimate vet #1C and a top prospect (shelter/mentor for Connor)
    Trade Eberle for an emerging power forward and a top prospect (desperately need a player with size and good hands willing to go to the paint!)
    Trade Justin Schultz for a hawaiian burger, some corn fritters and a root beer milkshake. Seriously, that’s an unbeatable combo.

  97. zatch says:

    This board, and many others, want to fix the defence, but they are unwilling to give anything up to do it. I forget who posted above, but this is a defencemen’s league. “Don’t trade a forward, than we have holes!!!!!!!!!!111oneone” One that’s as massive a detriment as our issues on defence? Really?

    How the hell do you expect the defence on this team to get better???? Hoping Klef and Nurse show up are pretty much it right now.

  98. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    I said a few threads ago that they were rotating through the Dmen on the bottom pairing. Ference came in for 1, hopefully that’s it.

    I expect to see Reinhart/Davidson next game. I believe that’s our best third pairing, but Reinhart/Gryba is close. Reinhart isn’t a great puck mover but he’s not terrible, especially for a third pairing D-first type.

    I expect Reinhart will soon establish himself as a relative constant on the third pair, with one of Gryba/Davidson subbing in. That’s good because he’s going to be the guy to move up when 1 of the top 4 go down.

    Someone always gets hurt. I assume it will be Klefbom. That puts Reinhart/Schultz as your number 2 pair.

  99. Bootstrap Effexor says:

    Caramel Obvious: There are no words for how bad they have been this season.

    “I-know-what-I’m-going-to-do” thought Thag to himself (this entire idea was still a single word way back then).

    “I’m-gonna-bust-out TWO”. And the double grunt was born. He meant that he was going to bust out two words-in-a-row, but the concept of a “word” hadn’t been invented yet, much less baked into an idiomatic yodel fit for woolly lips.

    The storm of indignation among the rest of the water carriers and wood choppers when Thag double spoke himself out of turn simply had to be witnessed to be described.

    Shivering around the giant heap of dry kindling (after yet another failed lightning dance) there was endless repetition of this shocking, shocking social event.

    “again-again-on-purpose” everyone would repeat (with finger gestures toward the culprit, a double circular stir with both hands to underscore the again-again part, capped off with a wide-eyed two-handed five-finger-spread double-outward-gut-push to italicize the “on-purpose” terminal throat constriction.

    Members of the troop on the other side of the ever-growing pile of dry branches—it would get larger and larger by the day until the rainy season—would at first lean to the side to observe the explanatory hand gestures, but pretty soon it became clear to everyone—even the dimmest two-lipped bulbs—that any double gutterance by the same person was most definitely intended as a Thag slag, played for comedy.

    Why, the-possibilities-were-downright-endless! It-was-a-sagging-berry-bush-so-ladden-down-it-could-fill-both-hands-like-giant-melons! (Thus began the wide-fingered, double-melon gesture, still long before actual gold mines.) It-was-raining-rainbow-farting-unicorns!

    Man-who-neglects-all-day-picked-out-giant-crystal-booger—if your thumbs reeked so bad a person wouldn’t even attend to this simple grooming task, it called into question basic personal hygiene—could potentially be spun out with head-up-ass-scouting-party-who-sees-nothing, this leaving everyone rolling in the leafy trails over the visual image of how to best remove a booger with your head up your ass. Even better, every combination of two insulting phrases always implied Thag, by definition.

    As you can see, the humor was pretty basic at this point, but they were just learning.

    In fact, pretty soon things got so out of hand with the descriptive capability of combining words that Thag took to adorning himself with giant fig leaves to deflect the worst of the double-barreled barrage. (The upright mirror hadn’t been invented yet so every male secretly worried about the shriveled-earth-worm, speckled-sparrow-egg combination insult.)

    But that’s another story, for another time.

    ———

    The limpid pond was, of course, well known, but as these were generally fed with glacial run-off, it did nothing for the male ego—until this one time—in an improvised stroke of genius—they lashed a freshly captured long-pig (as they referred to tribesman from across the ridge) to the underside of a giant pitch-clotted log they also wished to cart home, who caught a glimpse of himself—full dangling Monty—reflected in the frigid waist-deep water he was being carried across by his disendowed captors, causing him to burst into a hysterical fit of laughter which no words could explain, even after much picking of teeth.

  100. oliveoilers says:

    This team is a leather jacket with tweed elbow patches.

    Right idea, but something’s not quite jiving….

  101. oliveoilers says:

    Bootstrap Effexor,

    Caramel will view this as some kind of side swipe at MacT and a ringing endorsement of Chia.

    Caramel – Buy a thesaurus. (Hint – It’s not a dinosaur.)

  102. Visually better says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Cannot trade the nuge. He is our best player without a doubt. He will be an oiler for a long long time.

    I would be looking to move Hall and Draisaitl. I get that people think it’s foolish to be talking about trading these guys after 3 games. But I think we all know what’s coming if we keep this roster the way it is. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have scouts in Zurich already.

    There isn’t a simple fix here, that’s pretty evident, we have major issues. Major issues calls for major change

  103. Bag of Pucks says:

    Visually better:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Cannot trade the nuge. He is our best player without a doubt. He will be an oiler for a long long time.

    I would be looking to move Hall and Draisaitl. I get that people think it’s foolish to be talking about trading these guys after 3 games. But I think we all know what’s coming if we keep this roster the way it is. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have scouts in Zurich already.

    There isn’t a simple fix here, that’s pretty evident, we have major issues. Major issues calls for major change

    Do you have enough size down the middle with McDavid/Nuge as your 1/2 punch?

    Suspect Nuge will be the better two way player, but Leon may have more offensive upside.

  104. russ99 says:

    Yesterday was good for us in a few ways.

    1) our goalie situation is miles beyond what we have had for some time

    2) McLellan has fuel to the “never take a game, a period, a shift off” credo

    3) Both coaching and player groups hopefully now understand we need to adapt to compete, what worked 2 nights ago may not work tonight, and you can be sure the opposition saw how you played two nights before.

  105. Optimism is Foolish says:

    to start with …. I must admit to being foolish and not really enthusiastic about another 18 year old savior. Last night however I heard perhaps the best interview ever right after the game.

    Question how do you weigh scoring your first goal vs what happened tonight?
    Connor “It’s nice to score a goal but it doesn’t matter when you lose”

    Question can you take any solace in your and pouliot’s play and this game nail got a breakaway as well?
    Connor “I thought we were pretty good but that doesn’t matter when you can’t cash in your chances. The thing about that sequence at the end, if he burries it then it’s 3 – 2 us, instead it ended up being 3 – 2 the other way. It’s about burying your chances and bearing down when they come.

    Question along those lines do you think the team as a whole is getting close and it’s a matter of burying those chances or do you need to find a way to create more chances?
    Connor ” I think it’s a little inbetween. We have been getting some good chances and we have to bear down on those like I have been saying but we can still generate more and posess the puck a little more. We work hard to get it, so there’s no sense in just giving it away.”

    couple things from this i LOVE

    personal acountability — first goal ever means nothing next to a loss
    team accountability —- BURY your chances and bear down on the game
    and quote out of that i love is a captain obvious one but when you talk about possesion …..”We work hard to get it, so there’s no sense in just giving it away.”

  106. RMGS says:

    Snowman: He’s paid like a 2-3. Same as Petry more or less. And that’s what he is.

    I’m enjoying watching Jeff Petry play 22 minutes a night, with the Habs handily outshooting the opposition when he’s on the ice. And he’s 2 years younger, three inches taller, and 15 pounds heavier than Sekera.

    Craig MacTavish is an idiot.

  107. Drew says:

    Bag of Pucks: Do you have enough size down the middle with McDavid/Nuge as your 1/2 punch?

    Suspect Nuge will be the better two way player, but Leon may have more offensive upside.

    Yes this is enough size down the middle provided there is some skill/size/eyeglow on a wing on each line. G’s great work yesterday, someone needs to be going to the net!

  108. Drew says:

    RMGS: I’m enjoying watching Jeff Petry play 22 minutes a night, with the Habs handily outshooting the opposition when he’s on the ice.And he’s 2 years younger, three inches taller, and 15 pounds heavier than Sekera.

    Craig MacTavish is an idiot.

    Yes, yes you are correct Petry is a nice player and he should still be here. Sekera is a nice player as well and he will be part of the solution here.

  109. BONVIE says:

    I think the Oilers record must be looked at with a little bit of context. Very tough schedule to start the season, and the first two were very close, and I felt they played well. I was quite encouraged on how much more structured they did look in those first two games.

    I hate to dampen everyone’s rant on how the Defense sucks, and this guy is too slow and this guy can’t make a first pass, but I think it’s important I note that the Oilers didn’t score a goal till game three I mean technically we did but the other team scored it for us.

    I do believe this game 3 was a step backwards in effort and structure and the things that the new coach is implementing. I can almost guarantee I bit of tough love is in store for the boys. All I could think about is the tweets of them at the Blue Jays game.

    In regards to Improving our defense good teams draft their top pairing Dman they don’t sign free agents and expect to fill out their Defense that way. The only example I can think of is Suter in Minnesota of a team getting their top guy from free agency.

  110. Water Fire says:

    Size is not the issue anymore. The stars are not a big team, Spezza is a big centre but is far from a ohysical player and has back problems.

    I don’t want a big team anyway. Big means slow and big means grinding on the boards. Chiarelli spoke to how hard it is to find size with speed and skill. It is rare and to pursue it means to make a less skilled slower team.

    LA is the rebuttal to this, however in their two Cup wins, percentages played a huge part in their success. Quick’s crazy numbers, multiple game seven OT wins, they weren’t dominating as much as it seemed, now they can’t score. They have the puck, but that’s just the first part of the deal.

    It’s a balance between battle and skill that’s needed. You need them together. Chicago has been better than LA without the grinding, just great team play and some key core players. Even with all of the roster turnover and no star goaler. They are onto something.

    The Oiler firsties are still auteurs, trying to do it on their own as they always have. There has to be a commitment to the team first, by playing the way the coach wants. It’s a sacrifice, but that stability combined with the higher level talent is what could set them apart, and no AHL level players on the team.

  111. G Money says:

    I get why people are disappointed in Sekera, he hasn’t looked very good.

    But it’s also true that he hasn’t looked anywhere near how he has in the past either.

    His mistakes at both ends of the ice are *very* uncharacteristic of his past play, and that includes playing for some pretty terrible defensive teams. When he was in LA, they were lauding his presence because he was able to take on a bunch of Drew Doughty’s minutes.

    I mused yesterday as to whether this muddled performance might be an overhang of rust and delayed training because of his knee injury.

    His injury was in early April, which not only means he hasn’t played hockey since then (even before the Oilers!), but while others were either playoffing or training, he had to rehab for six to eight weeks, maybe more, before getting back to serious training in June.

    Pretty sure we don’t have a bead on the real “Anton” Sekera yet.

  112. Caramel Obvious says:

    G Money,

    I sure hope you are right. Mostly because I’ve been a big fancystat believer in Sekera for a longtime (I picked him out on the Sabres as a jewel) and I hate being wrong.

    I’d call him mediocre but that’s not the right word. I guess I’ll have to ask a paleontologist for a better one.

  113. speeds says:

    Klefbom/Sekera
    Reinhart/Schultz
    Visnovsky/Fayne

    Is that better than the current D set-up?

  114. Sugar Reijo says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be safe.

    Okay, I know this is an emotional moment for all of us. I know that. But let’s not make snap judgments, please. This is clearly an important species we’re dealing with and I don’t think that you or I, or *anybody*, has the right to arbitrarily exterminate them.

  115. Frank the dog says:

    Everything has a price. The price of the ineptitude of the last 9 years is what we do and do not have today. We do have an inept, gutted defense. We do have a continually changing offense consisting of players that produce little more than Corsi at best.
    If this offense lived up to its pre-season hype we’d be scoring 6 goals a game. If the D was just passable, we’d be allowing perhaps 2 goals a game and still be winning going away. If my great aunt had testicles……
    We gave away/lost Hemsky, Horcoff, Perron, Petry, Marincin. Granted with any form of competence and anything less than Lotto Max luck, we would not have CMD today. But with the shit show we still apparently have in place in spite of the big name coach and GM, all we have is miles of excuses, stern faces and the same old results.
    Watching Dallas play reminded me of the good 90’s Oilers – try your best, pot some goals, and enjoy yourself in the process.
    The only thing I can think of that does not set the stage for the whole season is that they all had hangovers. Except Yak, clearly.

  116. Adam Wu says:

    oliveoilers:
    Bootstrap Effexor,

    Caramel will view this as some kind of side swipe at MacT and a ringing endorsement of Chia.

    Caramel – Buy a thesaurus.(Hint – It’s not a dinosaur.)

    One day a paleontologist is going to name a dinosaur “thesaurus”, just to spite you.

  117. Revolved says:

    I hear the ‘don’t panic’, but must admit that after last night, I am worried about this team’s ability to compete. After two strong games against strong teams, we couldn’t keep the puck away from a team that is not so good at that aspect of the game.

    We can talk about Gryba and Slepyshev, but The top of our order is playing just like last year. I don’t think we got what we hoped for in Fayne and agree that after last year and this start he should go. It’s too early on Sekera, but we need a first pair that can be trusted.

    I thought we would finish with 83 points, but would now be more confident in 70… Hope flows out fast from such a well worn duct.

  118. godot10 says:

    Petry >> Sekera

    Petry could carry a bad defensemen in a pairing. Sekera clearly cannot.

    Sekera will be fine, when they find another decent defensemen to play him with. Fayne is not that guy.

    MacT thought Ference, Fayne, Nikitin, and Schultz were better than Petry. It sort of boggles the mind.

  119. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    Klefbom/Sekera
    Reinhart/Schultz
    Visnovsky/Fayne

    Is that better than the current D set-up?

    Yes, absolutely. The first step (imo) is pulling all the kids out and setting things up so they work, so I’m not certain Reinhart is the right guy. I don’t think EDM has a better choice though. Love Lubo.

  120. Drew says:

    speeds:
    Klefbom/Sekera
    Reinhart/Schultz
    Visnovsky/Fayne

    Is that better than the current D set-up?

    I don’t think Visnovsky has anything left (just opinion no data), i have been underwhelmed by Fayne to date, worried he is just all kinds of vanilla. I hope there is a player in there somewhere but it feels like someone who does nothing very well.

  121. godot10 says:

    speeds:
    Klefbom/Sekera
    Reinhart/Schultz
    Visnovsky/Fayne

    Is that better than the current D set-up?

    I prefer

    Reinhart, Sekera
    Klefbom, Schultz
    Davidson, Gryba/Fayne

    Gryba for the heavier teams. Fayne for the faster teams.

  122. oliveoilers says:

    Adam Wu: One day a paleontologist is going to name a dinosaur “thesaurus”, just to spite you.

    lol, I hope they do!

  123. Drew says:

    godot10: I prefer

    Reinhart, Sekera
    Klefbom, Schultz
    Davidson, Gryba/Fayne

    Gryba for the heavier teams.Fayne for the faster teams.

    Just a question, did Reinhart play right side throughout his junior career? Is it his natural side? could the Reinhart Sekera duo be flipped?

  124. Lowetide says:

    Drew: Just a question, did Reinhart play right side throughout his junior career? Is it his natural side? could the Reinhart Sekera duo be flipped?

    I saw him right side with the OK, but on the PP. I don’t honestly recall if he did at evens.

  125. Ribs says:

    Adam Wu: One day a paleontologist is going to name a dinosaur “thesaurus”, just to spite you.

    Yeah, but then he’d probably just call it an antediluvian reptile or something.

  126. stevezie says:

    Caramel Obvious: Mostly because I’ve been a big fancystat believer in Sekera for a longtime (I picked him out on the Sabres as a jewel) and I hate being wrong.

    Me too. Wanted him when Carolina got him. Thought Fayne was a good pickup too. We all liked the Schultz acquisition.

    The most generous interpretation is everyone is being played above their effective level, but good mercy they’re not even keeping it close.

    I don’t see bonadife #1 getting traded, but maybe Fayne or Schultz coupled with our first rounder could get us an upgrade? Surely an 0-3 start has a few teams wondering how low we’ll fall?

    Burn the boats. “Boat” is a metaphor for draft pic here.

    Unrelated note: Do you like Kurt Vile?

  127. Cameron says:

    stevezie:

    Unrelated note: Do you like Kurt Vile?

    Do you mean ‘Kurt Weil’?

  128. RexLibris says:

    John Lu Verified account
    ‏@JohnLuTSNMtl

    #Habs Nathan Beaulieu on Jeff Petry: “He’s like an all-season tire. He does everything well.”

    Puck you, Craig.

    I don’t like to get personal here, but seriously, puck you and the horse you rode in on.

  129. Frank the dog says:

    2014/15 1st road games against the same opponents vs 2015/6:
    St Louis 3-4 OT // 1-3
    Nashville 2-3 // 0-2
    Dallas 2-3 // 2-4
    Goal differential -3 // -6
    From a goal differential perspective, we are worse than last year on the road in our first games against the same opponents.

  130. Kitchener says:

    If memory serves correctly, a little less than a year ago the Oilers had two lines clicking well (Gordon’s and Nuge’s), then two other lines that were a rotating door of bodies and unpredictable results. On D, it was a general tire fire and the goaltending was worse.

    The takeaway is that at least back then we had two reliable lines to begin conversations about the other personnel moves. This year’s team after 3 games doesn’t have that yet. Everything seems to be in flux other than Sekera, Schultz and Klefbom as the top 3 D.

    Here’s what I’m looking for over the next few games:
    – a few centre-wing pairs to play 3+ games in a row (I’m hoping Yak-McD is one of these)
    – 5D/6D clarity. (I’m guessing Reinhart will play the next 3 in a row.)
    – keeping Drai and Nurse in the AHL (Dear Gord, please let them spend a little more time as 1C/1D in Bakersfield while McLellan/Chia sort out the veterans)

  131. Kitchener says:

    knighttown,

    Stop making so much sense!

  132. stevezie says:

    Cameron: Do you mean ‘Kurt Weil’?

    Well played.

  133. Kitchener says:

    I blame Nurse. How dare he not be 25 years old yet?

  134. Frank the dog says:

    Kitchener:
    If memory serves correctly, a little less than a year ago the Oilers had two lines clicking well (Gordon’s and Nuge’s), then two other lines that were a rotating door of bodies and unpredictable results.On D, it was a general tire fire and the goaltending was worse.

    The takeaway is that at least back then we had two reliable lines to begin conversations about the other personnel moves.This year’s team after 3 games doesn’t have that yet.Everything seems to be in flux other than Sekera, Schultz and Klefbom as the top 3 D.

    Here’s what I’m looking for over the next few games:
    – a few centre-wing pairs to play 3+ games in a row (I’m hoping Yak-McD is one of these)
    – 5D/6D clarity.(I’m guessing Reinhart will play the next 3 in a row.)
    – keeping Drai and Nurse in the AHL (Dear Gord, please let them spend a little more time as 1C/1D in Bakersfield while McLellan/Chia sort out the veterans)

    Perhaps the pairs should be Hall/Lander CMD/Yak Nuge/Eberle

  135. jm363561 says:

    I think the forwards were the biggest problem defensively last night bad on the forecheck, non-existant pressure through the neutral zone and very little puck support on the breakouts.

    ==========
    Yes, I am always surprised how little this point is mentioned. Everything gets hung on the D but the three guys ahead of them are often lacking defensive hockey IQ ( polite term for “cheating”).

  136. Ribs says:

    Who’s still available on D? I say we scrap everyone but Klefbom and sign a ragged squad of vets to replace the rest!

    Klefbom – Hejda
    Brewer – Meszaros
    Volchenkov – Gleason

    Everyone shoots left and are senior citizens, but that’s what you get.

    I kid, but I’m not sure how much worse this lineup looks…

  137. oliveoilers says:

    RexLibris:
    John Lu Verified account
    ‏@JohnLuTSNMtl

    #Habs Nathan Beaulieu on Jeff Petry: “He’s like an all-season tire. He does everything well.”

    Puck you, Craig.

    I don’t like to get personal here, but seriously, puck you and the horse you rode in on.

    Petry suffered from notbeingprongeritis. A serious malaise that the Oilers management attributed to more than one defenseman over the years. The only cure was to be challenged to a one year contract and watch as the management gave your money to Nikita Nikitin.

  138. Drew says:

    Frank the dog: Perhaps the pairs should be Hall/Lander CMD/Yak Nuge/Eberle

    i believe we will see Hall-Drai soon, for year end?

  139. godot10 says:

    Drew: i believe we will see Hall-Drai soon, for year end?

    Can we stop talking about Draisaitl until he is scoring at a 0.8 PPG rate in the AHL? He has no points in the AHL. None. Zero.

  140. Caramel Obvious says:

    stevezie:

    Unrelated note: Do you like Kurt Vile?

    I haven’t heard him, I’ll have to check him out.

    My current favourite is Langhorne Slim. Now because I’m not hip I’m always behind the times (I discovered Modest Mouse in 2005), so this means my current favourite is Langhorne Slim up to 2012. I haven’t heard the new album.

  141. ashley says:

    A little bit of twilight zone last night.

    I think we have to get away from bad results=roster adjustment. Or string of bad results=blow up the roster.

    Sure, better players can make a difference on a team of bad players and yes, we still need a couple of dmen, but that is not the big problem here.

    We have good players. Really good players. Good enough that we should be able to win at least half our games plus some OTL’s. Now it is a matter of professionalism, intensity, and gel. This is coaching, player attitude/dedication, and effort. Last night was lacking in this character that was clearly present in the first two games. It’s up to the coach and players to find a way to bring their top drawer game every day.

    I think McClellan learned a lot about this group last night, and I suspect we’ll see less of that type of misfire in the future.

    Making that “key” trade, bringing up Drai/Nurse, or Pressboxing someone is not going to bring the results we are hoping for.

    There are playoff teams who have worse looking rosters than ours. It’s time to figure out how to win.

  142. Frank the dog says:

    Maybe we should go back to conspiracy theories, as in, do whatever it takes to field an exciting team (in the positive sense) from the get go ion the new arena. there is clearly no love lost between Katz and Northlands, and who would be surprised if Katz had designated the Coliseum as a glorified practice rink and 2015/6 as the last glorified per-season?
    But then the practical side says that people of the calibre of Bob Nicholson, Chia and TMac would never sign on to something like that, however, perhaps to a lesser degree, i.e. do what it takes this year to become a dynasty from next year onwards, even if it means throwing one more season.
    Maybe Chia and TMac will turn this thing right around and we’ll start seeing the team we were hoping for? I’m not too keen on watching more games like the one against Dallas, honestly. It’s too painful.

  143. Adam Wu says:

    stevezie: Me too. Wanted him when Carolina got him. Thought Fayne was a good pickup too. We all liked the Schultz acquisition.

    The most generous interpretation is everyone is being played above their effective level, but good mercy they’re not even keeping it close.

    Perhaps a D’s performance is more dependent on the systems and F support he gets than we’d like to admit, and that ANY and ALL external D we could acquire would have the same dip in performance upon joining the Oil?

    Petry would be the exception because he “grew up” with this, and developed specific compensatory mechanisms, through hard experience, unique to him.

    Lesson here being that top 1-2 D must be developed and cannot be acquired. And if you do manage to develop a solid 2-3 guy, for the love of god don’t give him away for magic beans because he didn’t become the no.1 you wanted him to be.

  144. RexLibris says:

    Bruce McMcCurdy ‏@BruceMcCurdy 53m53 minutes ago

    Cult of Hockey:
    Is it time to blow up Edmonton #Oilers? That’s what Craig Button suggests
    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/cult-of-hockey-its-time-to-blow-up-edmonton-oilers-core-trade-away-veterans-nhl-insider-says/

    Well, if Button says so!

    I mean, it’s been three whole games under McLellan and we can’t fire another coach and the veteran winger was playing sick and it was the third road game to start the season so it must be time to trade away everything and blow this thing sky-high.*

    *Not saying it isn’t a possibility, but Button is just throwing stuff out there early in the season because he knows this’ll get traction and keep things going until his next deadline.

  145. RexLibris says:

    Jays game is on now.

    Batten down the twitter hatches, because I feel a storm a-coming!

  146. Caramel Obvious says:

    Adam Wu:

    Lesson here being that top 1-2 D must be developed and cannot be acquired. And if you do manage to develop a solid 2-3 guy, for the love of god don’t give him away for magic beans because he didn’t become the no.1 you wanted him to be.

    I think this is an important lesson, and a cautionary tale for free agents. Not only are you subject to the winner’s curse but you don’t even know what you are going to get.

    This doesn’t mean you should never sign free agents, I’d take another Pouliot please, but it does mean you should use extreme caution. The cost is prohibitive and the returns uncertain.

  147. Curcro says:

    Little Poteet,

    Well given that the CBA mandates days off. You can’t blame going to the baseball game on this one. And it silly to think going to a baseball game affected their ergot mane. They had a full day of practice prior to the game. Them not showing up is completely on their own heads.

  148. Drew says:

    godot10: Can we stop talking about Draisaitl until he is scoring at a 0.8 PPG rate in the AHL?He has no points in the AHL. None.Zero.

    I believe my reference was for year end? That would suggest 40 to 50 games in the AHL yes? this would be a discussion item and NOT what we need to see now, agree?

  149. RexLibris says:

    This from Mr. Hodge at TSN:

    Lord knows, no further ammunition is necessary if you want to criticize the Toronto Maple Leafs. So thumbs down to those who are using ESPN’s ranking of North American pro sports franchises to dump all over the Leafs because of their last-place standing, worse than all 121 others considered.

    I wonder, would Hodge have written this kind of apologia had the Oilers placed last on ESPN’s list? Or would he have used it as fodder to lament McDavid spending his career in Edmonton? I’d wager the latter.

  150. McSorley33 says:

    speeds,

    Klefbom/Sekera
    Reinhart/Schultz
    Visnovsky/Fayne
    Is that better than the current D set-up?

    ********************************************************
    I vote Yes. With a tip of the cap for having Fayne in the 3rd pairing…

  151. Snowman says:

    ashley:
    A little bit of twilight zone last night.

    I think we have to get away from bad results=roster adjustment.Or string of bad results=blow up the roster.

    Sure, better players can make a difference on a team of bad players and yes, we still need a couple of dmen, but that is not the big problem here.

    I generally agree with a lot of the stuff you post but I’m going to go ahead and say that the fact we still need a couple of dmen is the problem.

  152. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    All this talk about having to develop our defence exclusively from within means that we are likely 2 years from even challenging for the playoffs. (this is assuming that Sekera and Fayne are really as poor as their first couple of games – something I remain doubtful of)

    Nurse will still be making rookie mistakes in the NHL next year, and Shultz and Klefbom don’t look like true top-pairing D on good teams. While both are getting older, could it help the Oilers by throwing a pile of cash at Byflugien and Campbell be enough to help this team (maximum salary, but short term)?

    Man I miss some of the discarded defensemen we literally threw away over the years (such as Souray, Vis, Gilbert, you know the rest).

    Back in 2011, my buddy and I were laughing how while the Oilers and Flames were both missing the playoffs, there was *NO WAY that the Flames would be back in the playoffs before the Oilers. Wow.

  153. stevezie says:

    Adam Wu,

    Perry’s elite skill was covering for bad teammates. Not every good player can do this.

    Wouldn’t it be nice

  154. G Money says:

    Good level headed article from (gasp) Staples:

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/cult-of-hockey-its-time-to-blow-up-edmonton-oilers-core-trade-away-veterans-nhl-insider-says

    I’d personally substitute his “40 to 50 games” with “20 to 30 games”. Patience is required, but it can’t become dithering.

    When we talk about the roster being the problem, it’s important to recognize this:

    “the only players on the team in 2010-11 who are still with the team are Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle. If you advance one more year to 2011-12 you add Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Anton Lander. Go to 2012-13, add Nail Yakupov and Justin Schultz. This would appear to be Button’s “same group of guys instrumental in being one of worst teams’ in league.”

    Highlights how much of a loudmouth buffoon Button can be.

    I mean, that’s an incredible roster change. The ‘dead last’ 2010 team has only two players left. Two. And I am absolutely certain that Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle are not the ones responsible for keeping this team in the toilet since then.

    35% of the roster this year is new. The change continues apace.

    Have to give the new coach a chance to mold this thing. Busts like last night, as ugly as they are … pretty sure we’re going to see more of them (even when Taylor Hall is healthy). The goal is less and less often.

    I think giving a new coach 20 games with training camp before truly expecting to see his impact is reasonable. There is no basis for any of the players here to be stubborn about adopting Nelson’s style – none.

    If the team isn’t starting to show some reasonable consistency in playing an uptempo style by then, then you start blowing things up.

    But I’m certain everything about the approach – practice, habits, style, system – are new. At least a few games are required to get things in place, and STL -> NSH -> DAL on the road is a pretty harsh learning environment.

  155. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    And while I’m grumbling in a non-productive manner… yesterday’s game reminded me of how good Seguin has looked. I suspect that a lot of Seguin’s prowess is the product of playing more games than Hall and generally being surrounded by better teams…

    Seguin: 405 games, 137 goals, 168 assists
    Hall: 302 games, 106 goals, 157 assists
    (I am including both regular season and playoff games)

    Think about that for a moment… if Hall continues to miss 10-15 games a season (and stays on an Oilers team that never sees the playoffs), that means that Hall will likely take ~6.5 seasons to have played the same number of NHL games as Seguin after 5. That’s a lot of additional experience that Seguin has been learning from. How much is this lack of experience impacting our other #1s:

    Nugent Hopkins: 261 games, 66 goals, 123 assists
    Landeskog: 290 games (yes, nearly as many as Hall), 86 goals, 116 assists

    Yakupov: 195 games, 42 goals, 47 assists
    Galchenyuk: 219 games, 47 goals, 71 assists

    I am not cherry picking (i.e., no Tarasenko or Forsberg) because a lot of teams missed on those 2, but I am really starting to suspect that no playoff experience is hurting the development of the Oilers into competent players.

    In 5 years, I don’t want to be looking at Jack Eichel having played 40+ more games than McDavid, and looking like a much better player. And if you believe Buffalo won’t make the playoffs before the Oilers, I used to feel the same way about the Flames.

    Oilers need to make the playoffs and fast. Trade away one or more of the core players if it allows the remaining core to get more valuable experience to accelerate their development as players.

  156. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Oops.. edit… lockout shortened season means that Seguin accomplished those numbers in ~ 4.5 years, and it will take Hall a full 6 seasons to hit the same number of games.

  157. JDï™ says:

    HeatTreaterJoe: Seguin accomplished those numbers…

    Is there a point to this?

  158. rickithebear says:

    G Money: I mean, that’s an incredible roster change. The ‘dead last’ 2010 team has only two players left. Two. And I am absolutely certain that Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle are not the ones responsible for keeping this team in the toilet since then.

    Tambo 2008 to may 2013
    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    XXX-XXX-Yak
    XXX-Lander-XXX

    Klefbom-Schultz
    Davidson-XXX

    MacT june 2013 to may 2015
    Pouliot-Mcdavid-XXX
    Slepyshev-XXX-Purcell
    Klinkhammer-XXX- Hendricks
    XXX-Yakimov -Draisatl

    XXX-Fayne
    XXX-Nurse

    Talbot

    PC: june 2015
    Korpikoski-Letestu-XXX

    Sekera-XXX
    Reinhart-Gryba

    Nilsson
    It can take a year to form.

  159. JJ says:

    Place And Chase
    I hope this is one of many Zone Entries the Oilers will use eventually.
    Like any other strategy, if it is used over and over it loses its value.
    I am a little resistant to using it EVERY time. I assume Coach TMc has this as the entry of the week.
    The learning curve was painful last night.

    Many teams carry the puck to the blue-line and slow causing the opposing defensemen to slow to maintain the gap, and then pass to a player approaching the blue-line at near top speed.
    We need to learn that one too.

    Dallas Power Play
    I noticed that the puck is “one-touched passed”.
    It goes from point to sidewall to point to beside the net to point to corner to across the net for unblocked one-timer without every stopping.
    It prevents the defender from getting into the passing/shooting lane by not allowing any time to defend.
    Fewer puck battles are needed because by the time the defender arrives, the puck is long gone.
    The New York Rangers were like that last year on their power play.
    This is how I expect and hope a highly skilled forward group like the Oilers will play under an experienced coach.

    Here’s hoping that the new coach can add some strategies to take advantage of the skill level on the team that we have watched being wasted over the last several years.

  160. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    JDï™,
    I wonder if Seguin looks like a more complete player than Hall partly because of the larger number of games. Injuries cannot be predicted or avoided, but I think playoff games would benefit the development of a lot of the players we have.

  161. leadfarmer says:

    I don’t get all this talk thats been going on. We pretty much knew we are starting the season 0-4 and we pretty much knew that other than the coyotes we are the worst team in the west. We added one really good player but a rookie, improved goaltending a bit, and switched Petry for Sekera. Otherwise we just rearranged the chairs on the Titanic. And yes those things will show some improvement but pretty much every non playoff team in the west improved in the offseason except for the Canucks, and these guys have to learn a whole new system and develop some chemistry because of new teamates. So do your body and mind a favor. On the nights they play well, enjoy it have fun. On the nights they dont just turn off your tv and do something else

  162. Drew says:

    leadfarmer:
    I don’t get all this talk thats been going on.We pretty much knew we are starting the season 0-4 and we pretty much knew that other than the coyotes we are the worst team in the west.We added one really good player but a rookie, improved goaltending a bit, and switched Petry for Sekera.Otherwise we just rearranged the chairs on the Titanic.And yes those things will show some improvement but pretty much every non playoff team in the west improved in the offseason except for the Canucks, and these guys have to learn a whole new system and develop some chemistry because of new teamates.So do your body and mind a favor.On the nights they play well, enjoy it have fun.On the nights they dont just turn off your tv and do something else

    improved goaltending “a bit” are you serious? improving to league average is a huge improvement. They may be better than average, that could be monstrous!

  163. JDï™ says:

    HeatTreaterJoe,

    I wonder if playing on the worst team in the league, and going years without an actual NHL coach would have anything to do with it?

    Really, Renney was it for Hall. No knock on Nelson, because he seems like a good coach, but he’s technically not what you can call an actual – NHL – coach.

  164. Halfwise says:

    Seriously weird play in the baseball game, 3-2 Texas.

  165. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    JDï™,

    I don’t disagree that the coaching merry-go-round couldn’t have helped Hall either. In my first post, I was mostly focused on playing more games, and playing on better teams.

    I still do believe, however, that making the playoffs (and experiencing playoff hockey) is going to be really important to the development of the players.

    All other factors being equal, I need to believe that Hall and the gang would be better players if they had experienced playoff hockey during the last 5 years. I don’t want to see the same problem with the younger players too.

  166. jake70 says:

    Halfwise:
    Seriously weird play in the baseball game, 3-2 Texas.

    What a turn of events. Fans chucking cans and bottles.

  167. Adam Wu says:

    Let’s not forget that, up until the trade to Dallas, the consensus was that Hall had developed better than Seguin, and it wasn’t even close.

    Since then, Hall has been hampered by several injuries, and Seguin landed in what might be the perfect situation for his own development.

  168. Adam Wu says:

    stevezie:
    Adam Wu,

    Perry’s elite skill was covering for bad teammates. Not every good player can do this.

    Wouldn’t it be nice

    Petry’s entire development beyond the early bit when HE was the sheltered member of the pair has been covering for bad teammates. He’s had a LOT of practice at that particular skill. Practice he could not have gotten anywhere else….

  169. Halfwise says:

    jake70: What a turn of events. Fans chucking cans and bottles.

    Now two Texas errors and 2 Jays on. Drama!

  170. Cameron says:

    This Jays game is officially BONKERS

  171. jake70 says:

    Cameron:
    This Jays game is officially BONKERS

    I just mixed a drink……geez.

  172. jake70 says:

    Bautista with a 3 run dinger………..holy shit………….ahahahahaa.

  173. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Adam Wu,

    HALL:
    2010-2011: 65 games, 0.65 ppg
    2011-2012: 61 games, 0.87 ppg
    2012-2013: 45 games, 1.11 ppg
    2013-2014: 75 games, 1.07 ppg
    2014-2015: 53 games, 0.72 ppg

    SEGUIN:
    2010-2011: 87 games (including playoffs), 0.33 ppg
    2011-2012: 88 games, 0.80 ppg
    2012-2013: 70 games, 0.57 ppg
    *TRADE TO DALLAS*
    2013-2014: 86 games, 1.01 ppg
    2014-2015: 71 games, 1.08 ppg

    Adam: looks like you’re right. I thought that Seguin had been closer to Hall before the trade but I forgot how much Seguin struggled during the lockout year.

  174. Yak Efron says:

    Wow

  175. Dominoiler says:

    Boom!

    godot10:
    Petry >> Sekera

    Petry could carry a bad defensemen in a pairing.Sekera clearly cannot.

    Sekera will be fine, when they find another decent defensemen to play him with.Fayne is not that guy.

    MacT thought Ference, Fayne, Nikitin, and Schultz were better than Petry.It sort of boggles the mind.

  176. jake70 says:

    This is just nuts.

  177. Halfwise says:

    Fight! Fight!
    I have never seen an inning like this.

    Edit– not a fight, perhaps just a contretemps…

  178. jake70 says:

    Halfwise:
    Fight! Fight!
    I have never seen an inning like this.

    this is unreal…cops now on the field…

  179. Adam Wu says:

    Cameron: NJ is in the middle of a rebuild. They drafted a bunch of defensemen, and let them marinate. They traded for an elite goaltender to hold the fort, and they are now working getting new young forwards high in the draft. (Zacha).

    By the time the new D corps are hitting their stride, Schneider will still be in his prime, and they will have a cadre of young guys up front coming in to complete the rebuild.

    In other words, they did it the right way, build down the middle, from back to front….

    So the Oilers, obviously, should have drafted a D 1OV instead of Hall OR Seguin.

    Actually, though, the Oilers DID have a fine D prospect already in the system at the time they drafted Hall. Drafted 1 or 2 years before Hall. Would have hit his prime as a solid 2-3 right around now, as Hall enters his prime.

    What was his name again? Oh yeah, Jeff Petry. He’s mentioned here, occasionally.

  180. Магия 10 says:

    jake70:
    Bautista with a 3 run dinger………..holy shit………….ahahahahaa.

    a gimme run in the top of the 7th. 3 errors and 4 runs in the bottom. karma baby!

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