PUNCHING IN A DREAM

The Edmonton Oilers won their third game in a row last night and the city is officially in a good mood. A lovely fall run of good weather, the Oilers beating down a decade of demons and the new golden boy providing shock and awe in prime time. It’s a party!

Buddy did a nice job of interfering (Detroit did double and then some, so I don’t want to hear it) and then gaining clearance, and the deke was sublime. I suspect we’re in the Brett Callighen—BJ MacDonald era for 97’s linemates, but Nail Yakupov appears hellbent on hanging around for a long time. We’ll talk about 10 in a minute, but that was his finest game last night in the NHL imo. Man.

Jaromir Jagr. I expect Chiarelli will trade for him at the deadline in 2018 for the Stanley run. I kid. Probably. The Oilers have had insane talent for some time, courtesy all those first-round picks. Connor McDavid is on another planet and seven games in I think we all know that’s true. It’s also correct to say we don’t have the enormity of the situation collected and assessed in our mind’s eye, but we’re getting there. Do his skates touch the ice?

LAST NIGHT’S DEFENSE IN A BOX

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  • Oscar Klefbom was exceptional last night, especially at evens. I like the visual and the numbers back it up, plus McLellan (imo correctly) has him doing PK instead of PP. Terrific talent. I think he’s going to be a 25-point man, but the defensive kicker will make him extremely valuable. So mobile.
  • Andrew Ference was in a very good spot, playing with the McDavid line (7-4) for five minutes. Big time Ozone start and a possession number under 50, but with all that he had his best game in awhile. He might even get another start on Friday. Passing was off and he did have wobbly moments.
  • Mark Fayne had a solid night, I thought he was slow to react on the goal (do something!) but the plays he made were the mark of  reliable defensive defender. I remain concerned about his being paired with Sekera and am hopeful McLellan tries something new soon. Ovie coming to town tomorrow might be a good time to do it.
  • Eric Gryba is growing on me. He’s the kind of player you have to watch for a time to appreciate, but he’s exactly what Chiarelli talked about in the summer. Good positioning, punishing checks and he was able to cut down sorties several times.
  • Justin Schultz had a very good game. He had several effective defenses on stretch passes and most of that came from standing up on the play and tight coverage. His speed is a real advantage defensively and he broke up passes a few times. Really liked his game. He got an assist, that’s important because the offense also has to be there. Specific good moments included defending Z down low and forcing him to dish off, and helping Klefbom when it looked like Tatar was going to beat him and find clean air to the net.
  • Andrej Sekera was effective despite the numbers above. Played 8 minutes against the Nyquist line and got ripped 5-10 in 5×5 Corsi events. Despite those numbers, I liked his coverage (even on the GA he was making good bets, Fayne imo was the culprit on the play) and he moved the puck well when given the opportunity. Along with Klefbom, the most complete defender on the roster.

LAST NIGHT’S CENTERS IN A BOX

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  • Connor McDavid has this habit of sussing out the situation before impacting a game. He was effective but not impactful early in the game, and then late in the first period did a blue bayou past a shocked Detroit defender. After that, it was golden, like he’d proven it to himself and he crashed through whatever false ceiling held him back. From that point on, he was breathtaking. The goal was sensational, the backchecking a sublime chaser, and the play where he somehow avoided a check and still kept possession? I’ll call that one impossible.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins played 8.5 minutes against Z and fought him to a 6-6 draw. Skated miles, effective everywhere although the points didn’t come on this night. I believe that line would have cashed but the third winger is an issue for sure. W’s TOI: Klinkhammer 6:25 (6-8 5×5 CF events); Miller 6:45 (1-1); Letestu 38 seconds (3-0).
  • Mark Letestu had another good game, scored a goal and could have had two but couldn’t cash on a gorgeous pass. I’ve heard ‘McDavid should have shot the puck’ and ‘Letestu isn’t skilled enough to cash there’ and both pov’s are wrong imo. It was a fast play, Letestu was skilled enough to get a shot off, and he missed. It was a good play that almost cashed, there’s no sin from either man.
  • Anton Lander was more effective than the numbers above show, the third goal could have been his (although he didn’t touch the puck). He had the puck on his stick more 5×5 than in the recent past and he was around the puck more. I think he’s finding the range, should result in some points ahead.

LAST NIGHT’S WINGERS IN A BOX

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  • Benoit Pouliot had a good game, including an assists on the McDavid goal. He’s not as smooth as his linemates in terms of passing and vision, but he’s no slouch (two of his assists this season are highlight worthy) and brings other elements.
  • Taylor Hall skated miles and had a ton of shots, not as many electric chances as in recent games. Nine minutes against the Z line is tough sledding and as mentioned above I don’t think that line has found a RW yet. Eberle can’t get back soon enough.
  • Nail Yakupov was splendid. Two assists, confident, he was all over the ice and impacting play in all areas. I think it might have been his best NHL game. Before the evening began, he spoke to Gene Principe and it was heartening to see him confident, smiling and having fun. This is a business sure, but young Nail has spent some tough nights at Rexall, fun to see him being rewarded for hard work. Credit to Todd McLellan too, sometimes communication needs a different voice and the difference in Yak’s game is impressive. He still has some coverage issues, but that was a splendid game.
  • Rob Klinkhammer is the best available option for the Nuge line it appears. He doesn’t bring enough offensively in the role but helps in other ways and I suspect we’ll see him Friday night. His speed is the big part of what he brings and he’ll battle for sure. Klink, Hendricks—that kind of player—is certainly on Peter Chiarelli’s shopping list. Add some skill to Hendricks and that’s the ticket.
  • Anton Slepsyshev needs to adjust the sights on his rifle, but I love his speed. Shows up way more often in the frame than his TOI would suggest reasonable.
  • Lauri Korpikoski’s numbers show what a nightmare the Nyquist line is these days, he had a much better night than the numbers suggest. Made a nice pass on Purcell’s goal and skated miles. He’s still a bit of an enigma, veterans don’t ice the puck as he did at the end of the game, but maybe he’s trying to do too much. He certainly is around the play a lot, that’s a good thing.
  • Andrew Miller wasn’t noticeable often last night, he does have good speed and did use it to shut down lanes (against Z in the neutral zone iirc). Oilers need to give him a few games to settle in.
  • Teddy Purcell scored a goal and was part of the Nyquist murders—but as with linemates Lander and Korpikoski, Purcell had to bend but did not break. 4-7 in six minutes against Nyquist isn’t horrible and once again we see the value of having veterans. He isn’t sexy because of the skating but is useful because of his skill and experience.

THE GOALIE

Cam Talbot was the first star in the game I saw. He is calm, effective, aggressive and owns a .920 SP for the Edmonton Oilers. Goalies are voodoo, a man got fired in Columbus the other day because of another collapse in the net by a perfectly good stopper. Credit to the Oilers (and Woodguy) for identifying the right man to target. They should probably start talking about numbers for a contract.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Edmonton’s three-game winning streak, Yak, Corsi, heavy on the puck.
  • Jeff Hauser, Radio Hauser. The song remains the same in the NFL power rankings.
  • Jeff Krushell, Krush Sports. Fabulous AL series goes at least six.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Yakupov, changes in Columbus, panic on Shaganappi Trail.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. 90 minutes.

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169 Responses to "PUNCHING IN A DREAM"

  1. Sugar Reijo says:

    City’s buzzing for sure. This was the overall mood at my friendly neighborhood coffee shop this morning:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gy5a4wMpIw

    Love the Jagr tweet!

  2. SoCaloil says:

    Thrilled about yak, Kruger and now Nelson know how to handle him
    And to think how young he is. Fantastic

    That Klink icing and the Purcell penalty at the end where baffling.
    Absolute Bushleague
    Not what you expect from your vets
    Nelson has plenty of work to do still, but man o man he’s getting it done

  3. smellyglove says:

    It’d be great to pick up Jagr to play with Hemsky…. ah…errr….

    Nice to have a goalie that doesn’t fold like a cheap tent.

  4. theres oil in virginia says:

    Anton Lander was more effective than the numbers above show, the third goal could have been his (although he didn’t touch the puck). He had the puck on his stick more 5×5 than in the recent past and he was around the puck more. I think he’s finding the range, should result in some points ahead.

    I’m only watching highlights so far, but it seemed like Lander’s mug was in damn near every one of them in which Mrazek was also pictured.

  5. dustrock says:

    Thu, 9 Oct 2014 Flames Oilers
    7:30 PM FINAL CGY (5) – EDM (2) (L)
    Sat, 11 Oct 2014 Oilers Canucks
    8:00 PM FINAL EDM (4) – VAN (5) SO (SO L)
    Tue, 14 Oct 2014 Oilers Kings
    8:30 PM FINAL EDM (1) – LAK (6) (L)
    Wed, 15 Oct 2014 Oilers Coyotes
    8:30 PM FINAL EDM (4) – ARI (7) (L)
    Fri, 17 Oct 2014 Canucks Oilers
    7:30 PM FINAL VAN (2) – EDM (0) (L)
    Mon, 20 Oct 2014 Lightning Oilers
    7:30 PM FINAL TBL (2) – EDM (3) (W)
    Wed, 22 Oct 2014 Capitals Oilers
    7:30 PM FINAL WSH (2) – EDM (3) (W)
    Fri, 24 Oct 2014 Hurricanes Oilers
    7:30 PM FINAL CAR (3) – EDM (6) (W)
    Mon, 27 Oct 2014 Canadiens Oilers
    7:30 PM FINAL MTL (0) – EDM (3) (W)
    Wed, 29 Oct 2014 Predators Oilers
    8:00 PM FINAL NSH (4) – EDM (1) (L)

    This is where we were at, the end of October last year. Not saying it’s the same situation, because they could not defeat a single Western Conference opponent. But wins against Washington, TB and Montreal were impressive.

    I’m still taking the long view and we’ll see after 20 games, but holy hell I saw the Oilers, as a unit, standing guys up at the redline and blueline and boy, was it breaking up the Wings in the neutral zone.

    I saw McDavid looking like a faster version of current-day Toews, and he’s only 18. He was so much better than everybody in junior that I feel it disguised just how smart he is.

    That move on Richards was insane (and it came after he broke up the cycle in the d zone!!!)

  6. dustrock says:

    Also, just thinking about LT’s comments on Klefbom (Dreamy) above, is Anton Stralman the best comp for Klefa?

    Sekera-Fayne are definitely playing better, but when plays are developing quickly in the defensive zone, they have a tendency to get their signals crossed.

    I agree it was a good play by Tatar, but man you could see Fayne looking around and he just was wasting space.

    Ference was mostly invisible, which is exactly what you want from him.

  7. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    People were ready to jump off the ledge after 4 games.

    The pendulum has swung too far the other way, which is fine because god knows we deserve a little happiness.

    4 losses:

    #2 ranked Dallas (blowout due to hangover)
    #3 ranked Nashville (competitive loss)
    #4 ranked St. Louis x 2 (competitive losses)

    3 wins

    #11 ranked Vancouver (our 3rd in 4 nights, probably a gifted win but they happen)
    #17 ranked Detroit (our most impressive game of the season in my opinion)
    #29 ranked Calgary (they are terrible, and were playing 3rd in four nights, we crushed them as we should have).

    We are what we thought we were. Let’s remember that when we lose a few games in a row to better teams next time. It will happen.

  8. böök¡je says:

    SoCaloil:
    Thrilled about yak, Kruger and now Nelson know how to handle him
    And to think how young he is.Fantastic

    That Klink icing and the Purcell penalty at the end where baffling.
    Absolute Bushleague
    Not what you expect from your vets
    Nelson has plenty of work to do still, but man o man he’s getting it done

    Might want to update your Delorean to Oct, 2015.

  9. borisnikov says:

    Negative Nancy alert. The McDavid goal could have easily been interpreted by the ref as interference. He clearly obstructed Richards through the entire neutral zone and harvested the benefit of a pretty glaring non call. Other than that… what a game!

  10. leadfarmer says:

    Yakupov 33% OZ start. If thats not a tell that he is turning the corner I don’t know what is.

    Letestu, I’m fine if he doesnt score much. Any 4th liner that has zone starts that make Boyd Gordon time here look sheltered, and gets near 50% corsi is fine by me

    And please Chia, Schultz is not a powerplay quarterback, in fact that is one of the worst things he is at. He can skate well with the puck up ice. He doesnt make good entry passes into the zone, he doesnt distribute the puck well, and he doesnt have a capable shot. I am not saying that he hasnt surprised and looked pretty good everywhere else, and if they want to keep him thats fine, but a pp quarterback he is not. I really hope we are looking far and wide for an upgrade.

  11. leadfarmer says:

    borisnikov,

    Negative Nancy alert. Detroits entire game could have been interpreted as one continuous interference penalty. McDavid did what Detroit was doing all knight and for one brief moment he beat them at their own game.

  12. PhrankLee says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: We are what we thought we were. Let’s remember that when we lose a few games in a row to better teams next time. It will happen.

    Of course it will but in the meantime we dance around naked and covered in the blood of our enemies, no?

  13. barry.moore23 says:

    Woodguy and GMoney are the McDavids (or as close as possible) of this blog. LT is, of course, McLellan. 🙂 Keep it up, men. Thanks for all your work.

    ** hits paypal button **

  14. Clarkenstein says:

    Completely agree with you on Gryba LT. Good positional play and forces the play to the wall most times. Also like Klefbom. Proves there is no substitute for size on D.

  15. Nate780 says:

    borisnikov,

    Couldn’t disagree more, that was a good battle between 2 players for the same ice. A completely legitimate play, and a good non call by the ref. He won the positioning battle, plain and simple

  16. Clarkenstein says:

    borisnikov,

    Take another look at the replay. ZERO interference from Connor. He was angling toward the blueline to stay onside. Richards was trying to waterski and didn’t play it very well. Richards should have cut to his right and got better position. Not sure how the lead skater can interfere on this type of play anyway.

  17. borisnikov says:

    leadfarmer,

    I watched the game in bits so I’ll take your word for it. It does not surprise me as that is the way Detroit has played the game for a long time. It was interference though, and a non call, that directly led to a goal. Not much to argue there 🙂

  18. Really? says:

    I must admit that any reference to McDavid interfering with Richards before the goal makes me want to laugh hysterically. For years now and all night long last night Detroit have been the masters of subtle interference. They are sly and get away with it more than any other team in the NHL.

    Gee, maybe the Oilers are becoming the new Detroit Red Wings.

  19. slopitch says:

    I bet those Corsi numbers all looked much better until the last 8 minutes of the game.

    Yak really seems to be turning the corner. His assist on the CMD was a nice play (off the boards) that you wouldnt see him make in previous years.

    I think the Lander line could use some more speed.

    Purcell and Schultz seem to be improved this year. 500 after 20 games and lets go!

  20. mujidog says:

    I initially thought that Letestu spoiled that 2-on-1 that McDavid generated too, but the replay shows that McDavid’s pass was tipped ever-so-slightly by Kronwall. Hence why Letestu couldn’t one-time it and couldn’t cradle the pass in time to get a clean shot off.

    Speaking of that play, wow @ McDavid. He totally Datsyuk-ed the Red Wings player there: closed on him quicker than expected, stole the puck with ease, and then sped away before the Red Wings player even knew what was up.

  21. borisnikov says:

    Clarkenstein,

    I can see what you’re saying. I don’t agree that Richards was trying to water ski though.
    You can completely interfere. The trick is selling it as not interference, which McDavid did successfully.

  22. mujidog says:

    Yakupov was wonderful. You can tell that the game is slowing down a bit for him. He’s thinking more. Not just reacting.

  23. Washingtron says:

    This heavy on the stick thing is real. Schultz and Nuge (and others) have both had moments where in the past they would have had their stick lifted or the puck knocked off but they just bear down and keep possession. Really, other than the score effects in the slightly anemic third the first two periods were the most grown up and in control I’ve seen these little fellas play!

  24. Caramel Obvious says:

    If Slepyshev is going to get Gazdic icetime he should be in the AHL learning to score.

    I’m a big fan of his but the Oilers need to find out what they have, and the way to find out what they have is in the AHL. If he can score a pt/game there then when they call him up they can afford to be patient knowing that he can score in the NHL. If he can’t score a pt/game in the AHL then they can still call him up for other things, but they’ll know that he isn’t going to score with any reliability in the NHL.

    The AHL is about developing prospects. It’s also about finding out who your prospects are. If you can’t score in the AHL you won’t score in the NHL. Conversely if you can score in the AHL you can also score in the NHL.

    I want to know if Slepyshev can score and we’ll never find that out playing five minutes a night on the fourth line.

  25. borisnikov says:

    Really?,

    Seems as though ‘dick’ is the modus operandi this morning (edit: not for all in here. One expects that sort of initial retort from commentators at another Oiler blog). I’ll avoid doing it by conceding my error. From the rule book. Have a nice day fellas…

    56.1 Interference –
    A strict standard on acts of interference must be
    adhered to in all areas of the rink.
    Body Position: Body position shall be determined as the player
    skating in front of or beside his opponent, traveling in
    the same direction. A player who is behind an
    opponent, who does not have the puck, may not use
    his stick, body or free hand in order to restrain his
    opponent, but must skate in order to gain or
    reestablish his proper position in order to make a
    check.
    A player is allowed the ice he is standing on
    (body position) and is not required to move in order
    to let an opponent proceed. A player may “block” the
    path of an opponent provided he is in front of his
    opponent and moving in the same direction. Moving
    laterally and without establishing body position, then
    making contact with the non-puck carrier is not
    permitted and will be penalized as interference. A
    player is always entitled to use his body position to
    lengthen an opponent’s path to the puck, provided
    his stick is not utilized (to make himself “bigger” and
    therefore considerably lengthening the distance his
    opponent must travel to get where he is going); his
    free hand is not used and he does not take
    advantage of his body position to deliver an
    otherwise illegal check.

  26. tapper says:

    I continue to be very frustrated by obstruction-style non-calls when Oilers are fore-checking/cycling.

    Edler’s stick in Nuge’s feet the other night, Kronwall’s stick in Hall’s feet last night…There are many deliberate attempts to target their feet and skates on the cycle (with a stick or with a “check” that is more of a slew foot than a check) and in front of the net, but it’s rarely called.

    Add in the double cross-check on Hall from Larkin I believe, a sweater grab on Hall, Kronwall’s elbow…nothing.

    The Oilers have been so hands-off for so long (although finally a little getting better this year) defending the cycle that as soon as there is a hint of obstruction or a hand laid, it’s called…but they get mugged on offense.

  27. Sugar Reijo says:

    leadfarmer:
    borisnikov,

    Negative Nancy alert.Detroits entire game could have been interpreted as one continuous interference penalty.McDavid did what Detroit was doing all knight and for one brief moment he beat them at their own game.

    THIS. This. And this again.

    That sequence where Hall was blatantly interfered with leaving the zone (think it was Ericsson) and then got called for a trip a few seconds later was comical. Even the Purcell penalty, if you go back you’ll see Teddy interfered with on his way out of the zone—hence his reaction to the call. Those two plays bookended a pretty crappy and at times bizarre night overall for the officials imo.

  28. leadfarmer says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    I know seriously. You could find a guy to play 4 minutes for you for next to nothing. This is not how you develop players. Send him to the AHL and have him play 18 minutes a night. Let him try to win a job next year

  29. Caramel Obvious says:

    leadfarmer,

    Not only that, he could come up later in the season. Send him there for 40 games and he’ll develop a track record. He’ll either score or he won’t. That way you’ll know what to do if Hall or Yakupov or somebody gets hurt. You call up the guy who is scoring in the AHL (whether it is Slepyshev, or Draisatl, or Miller).

    This is one area where Godot is right on point. If Draisatl can’t score in the AHL he won’t score in the NHL. So play your top young guys in the AHL and learn something about them.

  30. Магия 10 says:

    Caramel Obvious: If Slepyshev is going to get Gazdic icetime he should be in the AHL learning to score.

    there was some talk he might have an international option from the oil if re-assigned. give him exactly the hours he’s useful for here until he agrees that the ahl is in his best interest.

  31. elgruntus says:

    Really?:
    For years now and all night long last night Detroit have been the masters of subtle interference. They are sly and get away with it more than any other team in the NHL.

    Flashback to the 2006 playoffs and Bob Cole’s play by play call of identical plays. “what a great veteran move by Chelios……… Now, Matt Greene off for holding. rookie mistake”.

  32. Pouzar says:

    Really?:
    I must admit that any reference to McDavid interfering with Richards before the goal makes me want to laugh hysterically. For years now and all night long last night Detroit have been the masters of subtle interference. They are sly and get away with it more than any other team in the NHL.

    Gee, maybe the Oilers are becoming the new Detroit Red Wings.

    I rarely complain about NHL officiating cause, well, it’s shite but for DET to have more Power Plays in that game is a complete joke. Can’t wait for the Kings game.

  33. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Morning all,

    Glad to see a little jump in the step of Edmontonians this morning. Not to be a Debbie Downer or anything, but the early part of the season has gone pretty much as expected so far. These aren’t the 90s Red Wings, that’s for sure.

    The real test will be Friday night against the Caps, who look like they could very well be Cup contenders this year. That will be a real good test.

    So we continue to see improvement. When Eberle comes back this team will make some big strides. Also, the PP will continue to improve and that’s where we see the Oilers make up some ground in the back half of the year.

    Fun ride this year, but expect some turbulent days and volatility still. It’s a work in progress, but even from Santa Fe you can see where this team is headed in a couple of years and it’s exciting.

  34. Pouzar says:

    Sugar Reijo: Even the Purcell penalty, if you go back you’ll see Teddy interfered with on his way out of the zone

    Good eye. Another DET special.

  35. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    Caramel,

    I wanted to apologize if I caused you any offense yesterday. I didn’t want to escalate the situation so I walked away. Hope we are okay.

  36. Drew says:

    borisnikov:
    Negative Nancy alert. The McDavid goal could have easily been interpreted by the ref as interference. He clearly obstructed Richards through the entire neutral zone and harvested the benefit of a pretty glaring non call. Other than that… what a game!

    I really do not think so… he had position on Richards, boxed him out until he needed to go, then off to the races???

  37. Bruce McCurdy says:

    borisnikov:
    Negative Nancy alert. The McDavid goal could have easily been interpreted by the ref as interference. He clearly obstructed Richards through the entire neutral zone and harvested the benefit of a pretty glaring non call. Other than that… what a game!

    If that’s interference then the NHL owes the Oilers about 3,426 powerplays vs. Detroit.

    EDIT: i see Leadfarmer (& others) beat me to it. But the Wings have led the world in uncalled interference penalties since maybe the ’90s. Masters of the pick play. I dont feel one tiny bit sorry for them getting beat at their own game.

  38. slopitch says:

    LT… please open your show with this song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAbY2cmEsS0

  39. magneto says:

    Best McDavid play for me was the start of the Letestu 2 on 1. He was swamped at the Oiler’s blueline and intentionally passed it to a Detroit player then stole it back. To have that move in your arsenal is something I can not comprehend

  40. borisnikov says:

    Drew,

    Bruce McCurdy,

    See http://lowetide.ca/2015/10/22/punching-in-a-dream/comment-page-1/#comment-459132

    I looked at it as McDavid impeding Richards’ progress. My interpretation was wrong.

  41. borisnikov says:

    I guess I’ve figured out how to get a quick response in here… Say McJesus got away with a penalty. lol

  42. Caramel Obvious says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    We’re fine. I was simply surprised by your reaction since I was (mostly) agreeing with you and I wasn’t (I didn’t think) being my caustic self. I probably deserve my own share of responsibility and it is big of you to take the time to write that note.

    I bet Santa Fe is beautiful in the fall.

  43. Bruce McCurdy says:

    borisnikov:
    I guess I’ve figured out how to get a quick response in here… Say McJesus got away with a penalty. lol

    It’s odd that you would single out one uncalled “interference” play in the neutral zone when interference technically occurs, what, a hundred times a game? A thousand? It’s like they say in football, if they called every hold there would be a flag or flags on every play. A good battle for position doesnt need the puck to make it legal.

  44. Drew says:

    borisnikov:
    Drew,

    Bruce McCurdy,

    See http://lowetide.ca/2015/10/22/punching-in-a-dream/comment-page-1/#comment-459132

    I looked at it as McDavid impeding Richards’ progress. My interpretation was wrong.

    Not a right versus wrong, i think McDavid, like Gretzky before him will use every possibility in the rules, situation, opponent faced etc to the Oilers’ advantage. Woooot!!!!

    Reminds me of a skills competition Gretzky was in during some allstar event. he had to stickhandle through a pylon course (the canucks defense, no the orange ones). Everyone did the inside out through the course, Gretzky moves the puck through the course but not his skates and wins easy. Loop hole in the rules, brilliant.

  45. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    We’re fine.I was simply surprised by your reaction since I was (mostly) agreeing with you and I wasn’t (I didn’t think) being my caustic self.I probably deserve my own share of responsibility and it is big of you to take the time to write that note.

    I bet Santa Fe is beautiful in the fall.

    group hug!

  46. Pouzar says:

    Jon Cooper, perhaps in an attempt to put officials on higher alert, has labeled the Red Wings as experts in interfering and avoiding penalties for it.

    “There are 30 teams in the league, and nobody does it more than the Detroit Red Wings, hands down,” Cooper said, per the Tampa Bay Tribune. “The old saying is, ‘If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.’ They do it to a ‘T.’

    http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/04/27/tampa-bay-head-coach-jon-cooper-accuses-red-wings-of-cheating/

  47. PhrankLee says:

    borisnikov: I guess I’ve figured out how to get a quick response in here… Say McJesus got away with a penalty. lol

    I think you’re getting caught looking at the play out of context without the preceding seconds leading up to the “highlight coverage”.

    The officials gave Detroit their usual respect. Believe me.

  48. knighttown says:

    The forward depth is very real and the lines are so close to clicking completely. I saw it exactly as you did LT. Nuge was hard matched against Z who is still one hell of a hockey player and it was dead-even. Lander was thrown into the deep end against Tatar and Nyquist in order to get McDavid out against the Wings scrubs and the COMBINATION of those two matchups won us the game.

    You can see how hard MacLellan is trying for Lander to be a tough minutes centre (versus the #2’s) and I think it’s worth the investment. I don’t mind Korpse on that line and Purcell was OK this game not so great in others.

    What I do like is that that leaves Slepy-Letestu-Miller as a pretty damned good 4th line and another matchup win on most nights to go along with the McDavid matchup win; at least during home games. Blashill went to 3 lines in a real hurry. Was avoiding 4th vs 4th part of that?

    I like what we’ve got now but perhaps moving Letestu up to Lander’s line might make sense? A true gritty, veteran checking line and then Miller with Purcell and Slepy as a pretty skilled 4th?

  49. fuzzy muppet says:

    LT:

    Watching McDavid is pure delight. He’s the best skater I have ever seen. Balance, speed, edge work, just sublime. And to be able to handle the puck at the speed he generates is truly breath-taking.

    I’m too young to have seen Orr in his prime. How does McDavid compare??

    I’ll get to see him Tuesday in Minneapolis in person. Couldn’t be more excited!

  50. hunter1909 says:

    I generally prefer to watch the whole of a game, watching how the play develops; and if there are moments to remember that’s something else.

    Last night, like the game before and the game before that I saw Oilers allowing the opposition to try their game for 10 minutes, “Rope-A-Dope” style, before proceeding to take their opponent’s game apart. All three teams not just beaten, but totally deflated.

    The Wings started out looking really good to my eye. Oilers were “lucky” to come out ahead.

    Then in the 2nd, McDavid and Yakupov went to work, and bingo it’s 3-0 Oilers. Wings still played like they thought they couldn’t lose.

    By the 3rd, the Wings start feeling the pinch, and it’s like they said to each other “Hey, these punks need a good kicking.” But they couldn’t get the job done. They tried standing toe to toe and were simply out-talented.

    Klefbom was great. One time he skated over to cover Zetterberg like Dracula’s cloak. Talbot was solidly sensational.

    Yakupov’s a 45 goal scorer. He’s Jari Kurri. This season. McDavid’s already a Hart candidate. Hall+RNH make for a fantastic line. Who in the NHL can stop this top 6?

    Chiarelli’s not done yet. He’s going to improve the defence, and tweak the bottom 6 before the playoffs.

    I said playoffs.

  51. Drew says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    LT:

    Watching McDavid is pure delight.He’s the best skater I have ever seen.Balance, speed, edge work, just sublime.And to be able to handle the puck at the speed he generates is truly breath-taking.

    I’m too young to have seen Orr in his prime.How does McDavid compare??

    I’ll get to see him Tuesday in Minneapolis in person. Couldn’t be more excited!

    was a youngster watching Orr he was amazing… best ever on skates. effortless in every respect McDavid has to write his CV but in time I think he is in the neighborhood.

  52. Nate780 says:

    hunter1909,

    We outshot them 13-5 in the 1st period. Only rough period was the 3rd

  53. hunter1909 says:

    Nate780:
    hunter1909,

    We outshot them 13-5 in the 1st period. Only rough period was the 3rd

    I thought Detroit had a lot of the play. They looked really good in the 1st period.

    By the 3rd I thought Detroit looked gassed, to be honest.

  54. khildahl says:

    LT, if the McDavid moment you referred to is the one where he got tripped/hit at the blue line then stayed upright on one leg while stick handling by the defender, then yes, we’ll call that impossible. We should probably get used to saying things like that about him.

    It seems like it takes him a period to figure out the opposition in a game and adjust his play to beat them. By the end of the season he’ll be putting up points at will against divisional teams.

  55. delooper says:

    borisnikov,

    By those standard McDavid wasn’t clearly interfering. They were both skating in essentially the same direction, and McDavid was in front Richards. The rules state it’s okay to maintain your relative position.

    There might have been some grey on that call (McDavid was not going in exactly the same line as Richards) but if Richards wanted to get around McDavid, and if he was fast enough, he could have.

  56. hunter1909 says:

    If hockey was boxing…

    These Oilers are Cassius Clay in 1964.

    The rest of the league are going to be Sonny Liston.

  57. hunter1909 says:

    khildahl: It seems like it takes him a period to figure out the opposition in a game and adjust his play to beat them. By the end of the season he’ll be putting up points at will against divisional teams.

    This.

  58. Drew says:

    delooper:
    borisnikov,

    By those standard McDavid wasn’t clearly interfering.They were both skating in essentially the same direction, and McDavid was in front Richards.The rules state it’s okay to maintain your relative position.

    There might have been some grey on that call (McDavid was not going in exactly the same line as Richards) but if Richards wanted to get around McDavid, and if he was fast enough, he could have.

    Yes, only someone with unreal change of pace and hi-end acceleration can slow down the pace then explode away in an NHL game against real NHLer’s. Crazy!!!!

  59. borisnikov says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    I was simply pointing out that it very well could have turned out differently had the referee raised his hand. Had it been the other way around, with a Detroit player scoring, fans would have had the knives out.

    PhrankLee,

    I saw the goal live and thought “that could have been a penalty”. My interpretation of what happened was wrong. Clearly well within the rules.

  60. borisnikov says:

    delooper,

    Yes. That’s what I’d go back and say now 🙂

  61. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    PhrankLee: Of course it will but in the meantime we dance around naked and covered in the blood of our enemies, no?

    Of course!

    I’m not trying to be a downer. I think we should absolutely celebrate these wins, god knows we’ve waited long enough to have something to cheer for.

    I’m just trying to pre-emptively keep people away from the cliff when we have a tough time with an elite team… such as Washington for example.

  62. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    Thank you. I appreciate it.
    Santa Fe is indeed beautiful. The mountains surrounding the area just got their first proper snowfall overnight. The high desert looks glorious now with the snow and the fall leaves.

    Seriously one of the most underrated places in all of North America is northern New Mexico. I hope it stays that way and off the main tourist path.

  63. PhrankLee says:

    borisnikov,

    Well either way it was a good night. Richards looks so done in that play. He reminded me of Gagner on that play…helpless to impede the opposition.

    That’s been the knock on the young crew all along. It gets all tangled up with hyperbole and “moar hits”…et al

    Simply have not been a difficult team to play against. Coach is helping with 5 men supporting the puck from underneath the play and it’s working.

  64. hunter1909 says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: I’m just trying to pre-emptively keep people away from the cliff when we have a tough time with an elite team… such as Washington for example.

    I have a 3 bedroom duplex with pool/tennis court on that cliff.

  65. delooper says:

    I was in Rome the night the Italians won the last world cup (was that 2006?). People were dancing naked in front of the subway station “Termini”, lit up by the headlights of their cars. Whenever their car would get stuck in traffic they’d run out in front of it and dance. The first night of it was amazing but it went on for three days and nights. Italy had adopted that “blah blah nation army” Red Stripes song as their anthem. It was all kind of crude and flashy at the same time.

  66. hunter1909 says:

    delooper:
    I was in Rome the night the Italians won the last world cup (was that 2006?).People were dancing naked in front of the subway station “Termini”, lit up by the headlights of their cars. Whenever their car would get stuck in traffic they’d run out in front of it and dance.The first night of it was amazing but it went on for three days and nights. Italy had adopted that “blah blah nation army” Red Stripes song as their anthem.It was all kind of crude and flashy at the same time.

    Romans haven’t won much in the last 1,500 years.

  67. B S says:

    Am I the only one to click on the replay of the McDavid goal?

    He cut off Richards, beating him inside, then Richards hooked his arm around McDavid’s waist. Hence McD shoving his forearm in Richards’ face has he goes by. The Refs didn’t call the interference because then they would have to call the holding too. As far as the refs were concerned the two infractions cancelled each other out.

  68. Магия 10 says:

    hunter1909: Romans haven’t won much in the last 1,500 years.

    Tried to hard to entertain their fans and got away from using the trap.

  69. McSorley33 says:

    Pouzar,

    Jon Cooper, perhaps in an attempt to put officials on higher alert, has labeled the Red Wings as experts in interfering and avoiding penalties for it.
    “There are 30 teams in the league, and nobody does it more than the Detroit Red Wings, hands down,” Cooper said, per the Tampa Bay Tribune. “The old saying is, ‘If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.’ They do it to a ‘T.’
    http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/04/27/tampa-bay-head-coach-jon-cooper-accuses-red-wings-of-cheating/
    *********************************************************************************************
    Great post….Mr. Cooper is so right.

    That type of play by the Wings is reminiscent of the dark years of NHL hockey with clutching and grabbing…..

    League has to clamp down on this….like Bruce said examples all over the ice last night.

  70. Numenius says:

    borisnikov: I saw the goal live and thought “that could have been a penalty”. My interpretation of what happened was wrong. Clearly well within the rules.

    I don’t know why you keep stubbornly insisting it was a penalty. Your interpretation of what happened was wrong. The play was clearly well within the rules.

    🙂

  71. LoDog says:

    Numenius: I don’t know why you keep stubbornly insisting it was a penalty. Your interpretation of what happened was wrong. The play was clearly well within the rules.

    I know, right? Can’t accept that it wasn’t a penalty and McDavid can do no wrong.

    Come on man, get with it. 😉

  72. borisnikov says:

    Numenius,

    If only the Oilers’ defence of the last 9 years was as strong as this blogs’ defence of them 😀

  73. dustrock says:

    With LT and someone else mentioning McDavid taking his time to figure out a team and then taking them apart, you know who else is known for doing exactly that?

    Lionel Messi.

    Could it be that we don’t really have a great NHL comp for CM97, and Messi is actually the best comparable? Certainly the skill sets, granted across 2 different sports, are very similar.

  74. stush18 says:

    I think slepy will get sent down when eberle comes back. Give him his reps and send him back. Bring him back when Purcell is traded.

  75. wheatnoil says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    The real test will be Friday night against the Caps, who look like they could very well be Cup contenders this year. That will be a real good test.

    Caps are on schedule loss night. It’ll be their 3rd in 4 nights, playing in Calgary on Tues, flying to Vancouver to play them tonight, then back to Edmonton tomorrow. Oilers should have a real good shot at winning that game and pulling to .500.

    LA will be quite the test on Sunday though!

  76. Surly says:

    I think my favorite battle-for-ice, non-interference play for the Oilers was Peca’s goal against San Jose in game 6 of 2006 (jeebuz I can’t believe that was almost 10 years ago). Can’t remember who he wrestled down to spring his breakaway and subsequent top shelf goal…the two D listed on the gamesheet were Hannan and Preissing.

    I know it will be tough this year but wholly heck it will be grand when we are all graced with some playoff hockey in the hopefully-not-too-distant-future.

  77. Ducey says:

    Sleppy will likely get sent down when Eberle is healthy. I don’t mind if he is an injury replacement for 20 games if he goes down for most of the season.

  78. Doug McLachlan says:

    Really enjoying the structure in the Oilers’ play. Forwards hanging back to give the D outlet options at a 10-12 foot distance. The breakouts seem more coordinated as a result.

    To my eye, Hall seems to have some challenge adjusting to this as he is so used to shooting through the zone to catch a breakout pass – like the one Yakupov sprung Pouliot on last night.

    I recall during TC that the playbook has multiple configurations so this will become MUSIC soon, I suspect.

    Here is hoping the intensity is there on Friday. Caps on 3rd in 4 nights with the backup goalie.

    Pleased to see that we are moving up the Pacific standings. Now in 4th. The playoffs are still a distant bell but it is there, IMHO. The target is 3rd in the Pacific as I remain convinced that the Wildcard teams will be both from the Central – indeed I think that the 6th placed team in the Central will have more points than the 3rd placed team in the Pacific.

    Bring on the Kings! Ahead of the Kings, Anaheim and the Flames is a good start.

  79. LoDog says:

    Ducey:
    Sleppy will likely get sent down when Eberle is healthy. I don’t mind if he is an injury replacement for 20 games if he goes down for most of the season.

    Agreed. Slepy going down when Ebs is back. No point calling anyone else up to play 4th line minutes.

  80. ohhell says:

    borisnikov:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    I was simply pointing out that it very well could have turned out differently had the referee raised his hand. Had it been the other way around, with a Detroit player scoring, fans would have had the knives out.

    PhrankLee,

    I saw the goal live and thought “that could have been a penalty”. My interpretation of what happened was wrong. Clearly well within the rules.

    Not to belabor this discussion, but if you rolled the game further back, you would have seen a zone entry where Richards drove McDavid over the line creating an offside call and you would have seen the frustration in McDavid’s response.

    McD is a quick study and saw the same situation developing and fought for his position to remain onside. Once established, he was able to easily separate. Beauty play that will have me smiling for weeks. Love it!

    Btw, I thought RIchards was as guilty of interference as McD was. Coin toss also known as a puck battle.

  81. dustrock says:

    wheatnoil: Caps are on schedule loss night. It’ll be their 3rd in 4 nights, playing in Calgary on Tues, flying to Vancouver to play them tonight, then back to Edmonton tomorrow. Oilers should have a real good shot at winning that game and pulling to .500.

    LA will be quite the test on Sunday though!

    Caps are schedule loss for the Oilers playing 3 in 4, but this is exactly the type of game where the Oilers previously would come out flat. Let’s hope that changes. You start to rest your laurels after a bit, and indeed McLellan said that was happening after the Vancouver win, and addressed it in practice.

    What I mostly wanted from the team this season was some fun and competition, and we’re starting to get that.

    Honestly, every sports team in the world has stinker games, and so far we have one stinker in 7 games. I am fine with that.

  82. russ99 says:

    My favorite part of last night, other than the McDavid goal, was McLellan’s presser.

    Man, we sure lucked out getting this coach…

    Got my tickets for Nov 8th at the Hawks, got side of the ice McDavid shoots at twice. 🙂

  83. Water Fire says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Morning all,

    Fun ride this year, but expect some turbulent days and volatility still. It’s a work in progress, but even from Santa Fe you can see where this team is headed in a couple of years and it’s exciting.

    If they had a good, established first pairing RD it would be next year. Sort of like how rapidly Tampa got it going.

    If they have to wait on Nurse and Reinhart to round out it will be a few years.

    God’s Speed Chiarelli.

  84. JAG-041 says:

    My game centre froze just when McDavid dished to Letestu and I remember thinking, “ya that’s another one for Davey” only to have it start up again with the play still going and being absolutely shocked

  85. Strapping Jocks says:

    russ99:
    My favorite part of last night, other than the McDavid goal, was McLellan’s presser.

    Man, we sure lucked out getting this coach…

    Not luck. McDavid changed everything.

  86. Profit says:

    I had a few insightful comments ready to post but when I read through the comments on lunch I saw that they had all been taken already! However to recap:

    1) McDavid was pushing back on Richards in order to not go offside, no ref would call McD on that.

    2) Oil have a good chance with WAS on Friday due to 3 in 4 nights, second back to back, plus Eastern conference team. I think they win it.

    3) Slepy isn’t getting the playing time he needs (and I’m a fan) so I’d send him down, but wonder if him not going down being an agreement with him/his agent and/or not wanting to call up Drai so soon. Wonder how long this can last at <5 min per night.

    4) I'm so happy for Yak and his success. He has taken so many hits over the last couple of year, I'm just honestly really happy for him.

    5) McDavid looks and thinks like a savvy 25 year old in his prime. The fact he's 18 is equal parts scary and insane. The mood on the street in Calgary here is an extreme level of concern (Stamkos? really?) that he'll eat the Flames lunch for the next decade.

  87. mattwatt says:

    Come on guys, biggest thing this morning is Lowetide using a Naked and Famous song as his lede. Never knew he was a fan of his daughters music.

    Good choice Lowetide. Like breathing life into a nightmare. McDavid is just that.

  88. Factotum says:

    Ducey:
    Sleppy will likely get sent down when Eberle is healthy. I don’t mind if he is an injury replacement for 20 games if he goes down for most of the season.

    I’m sure you’re right that about that. As soon as Eberle gets back, Slepyshev will be in Bakersfield (barring other injuries, I guess). Meanwhile, it’s probably not a bad thing for him to get acclimatized to North America under the wing of the big club.

  89. G Money says:

    barry.moore23: Woodguy and GMoney are the McDavids (or as close as possible) of this blog

    Barry! Many thanks for the incredible compliment – but I must categorically reject it!

    I think of myself more like a Hemsky – has skills, goes to the tough areas of the math, gets no credit from the MSM (I’m looking at you, Gregor) … but now my shoulder and hip are wrecked.

  90. Магия 10 says:

    Profit: I’m so happy for Yak and his success. He has taken so many hits over the last couple of year, I’m just honestly really happy for him.

    Yak compelted to appear on Oilers Now now.

  91. rickithebear says:

    Last night:
    Det 70 corsi – 17 MS – 24 BS = 29 shots
    shots broken down by edmontons strength.
    Strength – shots – LCG/LCS – MCG/MCS – HCG/HCS
    Even – 18SH – 0/6 – 0/5 – 1/7
    PK – 7SH – 0/5 – 0/2 – 0/0
    PP – 1SH – 0/0 – 0/1 – 0/0
    Pulled G – 3SH – 0/3 – 0/0 – 0/0
    total 29 SH – 0/14 – 0/8 – 1/7

    Expected goals from avg goalie
    14 LCS: .462G
    8 MCS: .624G
    7 HCS: 1.169G
    2.255 Goals

  92. Sugar Reijo says:

    G Money: I think of myself more like a Hemsky – has skills, goes to the tough areas of the math, gets no credit from the MSM (I’m looking at you, Gregor) … but now my shoulder and hip are wrecked.

    Fair warning to anybody planning on showing up on GMoney’s doorstep this Halloween dressed as Robyn Regehr: be prepared to be maced.

  93. JDï™ says:

    Nate780: He won the positioning battle, plain and simple

    Exactly: https://streamable.com/gp94

  94. prairieschooner says:

    Mc David deked the goalie so badly he had to pay admission to get back into the building!

    It was a good night why are we talking about a non call ?

    If you want to talk about real fairness and injustice what about Mick Magoo and the hand pass that wasn’t

  95. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    hunter1909: I have a 3 bedroom duplex with pool/tennis court on that cliff.

    One of the funnier comments I’ve seen in some time, well played sir.

  96. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Weren’t the Oilers supposed to be 0 and 10? Pretty sure i read that somewhere.

  97. leadfarmer says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Nope but Sean Monahan is on pace to be -96 on the year and Giordano and Hamilton are on pace to be -82. WOOOOOT

  98. Sugar Reijo says:

    JDï™: Exactly: https://streamable.com/gp94

    Best part of that is how Richards just gives up on the play once McDavid pulls away.

    The NHL might have to look into allowing the opposition stun grenades to make it fair.

  99. oilswell says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Weren’t the Oilers supposed to be 0 and 10? Pretty sure i read that somewhere.

    Wasn’t it OEL’s Online Marketing Director?

  100. John Chambers says:

    Wow, Yost just scorches Dan Girardi’s play and his contract:
    http://www.tsn.ca/talent/girardi-belongs-on-mount-rushmore-of-bad-nhl-contracts-1.380823

    And to think a trade in the realm of Yak for Girardi would’ve polled very well here about 12 months ago.

  101. leadfarmer says:

    Don’t know if anyone mentioned it but Patrick O Lanterns book came out couple of days ago called Breaking Away, for the one or two people that still read books it should be an interesting read. Wish he had a better career but given his horrible upbringing I hope he saved enough money to do something he really wants to do. I don’t think I would enjoy playing the game if thats how i was brought up.

  102. Магия 10 says:

    Their division wants scheduled win night back. Oilers are at 75% of annual division win quota.

  103. John Chambers says:

    Магия 10:
    Their division wants scheduled win night back. Oilers are at 75% of annual win quota.

    0 for 15 against the Canucks, Flames, and Coyotes last year.

    The Oilers could easily win 10 of those and make up a 20 point gap on last season, based on those three teams alone.

    Playoffs?

  104. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    John Chambers,

    I’m not sure it would have polled well on this site. The blogosphere has been aware of Girardi’s limitations for some time.

    If you made the trade tomorrow though, the majority of fans would be ecstatic. Our little niche would be pulling our hair out, but the average fan would be thrilled.

    What’s neat is that this type of thing is making it’s way onto sites like TSN.CA.

    Heck, this info isn’t new for Yost. He could have written the article at this time last year I’m sure, but I don’t think TSN would have published it. The fact that they put it online means that they are starting to acknowledge our viewpoint. That’s what’s really neat about it.

    But again, look at the comments on the article. Almost universally trashing Yost.

    “But… He blocks shots! GUMPTION! GUMPTION! GUMPTION!”

  105. Drew says:

    leadfarmer:
    Don’t know if anyone mentioned it but Patrick O Lanterns book came out couple of days ago called Breaking Away, for the one or two people that still read books it should be an interesting read.Wish he had a better career but given his horrible upbringing I hope he saved enough money to do something he really wants to do.I don’t think I would enjoy playing the game if thats how i was brought up.

    Very very sobering story…

  106. Zeabs93 says:

    Been high on Yak ever since the Oil drafted him, I’m still convinced he’ll be an elite player in this league at some point. Whether that was with the Oilers however, I wasn’t totally sure. Small sample size I know, but with him playing like he is now and developing some chemistry with McD, hopefully he stays in Oilers silks for a long, long time.

  107. stevezie says:

    mattwatt,

    Naked and Famous is one of the two best examples of a group who maybe i don’t love their genre, but man i adore that band (the other being Brand New).

  108. Магия 10 says:

    John Chambers: 0 for 15 against the Canucks, Flames, and Coyotes last year.

    The Oilers could easily win 10 of those and make up a 20 point gap on last season, based on those three teams alone.

    Playoffs?

    As others have stated 3rd in division might be the easier playoff ticket this year.

  109. JDï™ says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: But again, look at the comments on the article. Almost universally trashing Yost.

    Comments elsewhere are almost as bad, but with a sprinkling of insight every 10 or 12 entries.

  110. LadiesloveSmid says:

    John Chambers:
    Wow, Yost just scorches Dan Girardi’s play and his contract:
    http://www.tsn.ca/talent/girardi-belongs-on-mount-rushmore-of-bad-nhl-contracts-1.380823

    And to think a trade in the realm of Yak for Girardi would’ve polled very well here about 12 months ago.

    wasn’t that like a suggested nightmare trade by Woodguy/rex/somebody? like a Hall for Jack Johnson kind of trade.

    Girardi’s not very good and the contract is atrocious.

  111. leadfarmer says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Go fish.

  112. John Chambers says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!,

    Maybe since TSN lost the broadcasting contract they’re relishing in the role of offering critique that goes against the grain of the mainstream.

    Yost is a beauty. We should host a party when he’s in town and burn an effigy of Steve Simmons.

  113. RexLibris says:

    Yost has been doing good work going back to his Hockeybuzz days and there he was ahead of the pack by miles. If I recall, I think Portzline wrote there as well.

  114. JDï™ says:

    John Chambers: burn an effigy of Steve Simmons.

    Pinatas are trending these days: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/el-trump-pinata.jpg

  115. leadfarmer says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    That contract is not very good but he is no where near as bad as MacDonald or Nikitin. Defensive defensemen tend to have terrible advanced stats. You might say Mcllellan is an idiot for playing Gryba as much as he does cause he has poor advanced stats, but clearing out the slot, blocking shots, killing penalties doesnt show up on the advanced stats.

    So is he worth the contract. No. But somehow a very well managed organization still thinks he is good enough to get the second highest TOI on his team. The non movement clause is the part that makes it really bad and the author didn’t even bother to research it. The contract will be terrible as he declines but where it stands there is a few other guys that blow his contract out of the water

  116. RexLibris says:

    Letestu’s miss last night is evidence of what the rest of the roster is learning with regards to Connor McDavid, and coincidentally what previous Oilers learned about playing with someone else who was pretty good:

    Just keep yer damn stick on the ice and go to the net.

    That new kid will pretty much take care of the rest.

  117. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    John Chambers,

    I’d pay a reasonable cover charge to attend, that’s for sure.

    I always thought it would be fun to rent a pub or something and have the lowetide faithful gather for an event. We could even get name tags with our screen names.

    Of course then I’d be the total douchebag with a Ca$h-McMoney name tag….

  118. RexLibris says:

    I would never burn Simmons in effigy, it would only give him more ammunition.

    No, I’d go to a work site and hire half a dozen big, hairy dudes and deck them out in too-tight t-shirts with Simmons’ face, give them some signs that say “Ur in my dreamz, Steve!” and make sure they are in the shot at that game.

    Just a thought.

  119. RexLibris says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    John Chambers,

    I’d paya reasonable cover charge to attend, that’s for sure.

    I always thought it would be fun to rent a pub or something and have the lowetide faithful gather for an event.We could even get name tags with our screen names.

    Of course then I’d be the total douchebag with a Ca$h-McMoney name tag….

    Let’s be honest.

    If we’re renting a space for this group there are only two appropriate sites- a church basement or a halfway house.

    🙂

  120. Woodguy says:

    barry.moore23:
    Woodguy and GMoney are the McDavids (or as close as possible) of this blog. LT is, of course, McLellan. Keep it up, men. Thanks for all your work.

    ** hits paypal button **

    I appreciate the sentiment Barry but you’ve aimed too high.

    I’m more like the Horcoff of the blog.

    I’m a vet who knows where to go, but can’t always execute well.

    I also get booed a lot, even when I’ve done good work.

    Thanks Barry. You’re too kind sir.

  121. JDï™ says:

    RexLibris: a church basement or a halfway house.

    It’s got to be DSF’s patio – uninvited.

  122. LoDog says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    John Chambers,

    I’m not sure it would have polled well on this site.The blogosphere has been aware of Girardi’s limitations for some time.

    If you made the trade tomorrow though, the majority of fans would be ecstatic.Our little niche would be pulling our hair out, but the average fan would be thrilled.

    What’s neat is that this type of thing is making it’s way onto sites like TSN.CA.

    Heck, this info isn’t new for Yost.He could have written the article at this time last year I’m sure, but I don’t think TSN would have published it.The fact that they put it online means that they are starting to acknowledge our viewpoint.That’s what’s really neat about it.

    But again, look at the comments on the article.Almost universally trashing Yost.

    “But…He blocks shots!GUMPTION! GUMPTION! GUMPTION!”

    Why would you say that? Who are these average fans that know nothing about hockey?

    People that post comments on TSN or call into the radio are not the “average” fan IMO. they are blowhards that like to hear their own voice.

  123. Woodguy says:

    Speaking of getting booed when doing my best work, who was the poster who told me I was out to lunch on Talbot and that the Oilers should sign “just-passed-through-waivers” Ramo?

    😀

  124. RexLibris says:

    leadfarmer:
    Don’t know if anyone mentioned it but Patrick O Lanterns book came out couple of days ago called Breaking Away, for the one or two people that still read books it should be an interesting read.Wish he had a better career but given his horrible upbringing I hope he saved enough money to do something he really wants to do.I don’t think I would enjoy playing the game if thats how i was brought up.

    I think we’re beginning to see athletes with this kind of background find some support.

    Thinking of guys like R.A. Dickey, Theoren Fleury and the one who probably started the modern movement, Sheldon Kennedy.

    Even in the latter’s short time writing and speaking about his experiences, the support and understanding has grown substantially.

  125. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    Speaking of getting booed when doing my best work, who was the poster who told me I was out to lunch on Talbot and that the Oilers should sign “just-passed-through-waivers” Ramo?

    Well it is well known that I’m just a Flames-schill posing as an Oilers fan but…

    😉

  126. Sugar Reijo says:

    RexLibris:
    Just keep yer damn stick on the ice and go to the net.

    That new kid will pretty much take care of the rest.

    Shades of Sather’s old line about Gretzky and a fire hydrant.

  127. khildahl says:

    RexLibris: Let’s be honest.

    If we’re renting a space for this group there are only two appropriate sites- a church basement or a halfway house.

    If that’s the sort of place (mostly) knowledgeable Oilers fans congregate, where the heck do CalgaryPuck commenters hang out?

    Oh, right… The Saddledome.

  128. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    JDï™,

    According to MSM, wouldn’t a get-together have to happen at someone’s parents house, in the basement, with lots of cheesies?

  129. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy,

    So far it seems like if you said anyone but Scrivens, you would have been right. I don’t remember many Ramo pushers though. It seems like Neuvirth, Jones, Niemi, Anderson, and Talbot were the most common nominees, in no specific order, and all of them currently are a significant improvement over last years fiasco. LTs pick of Jones seems to be the early frontrunner, but the price given up and the small sample size makes it too early to call. But guess what. We were all right. YEaaaaay.

  130. Lowetide says:

    barry.moore23:
    Woodguy and GMoney are the McDavids (or as close as possible) of this blog. LT is, of course, McLellan. :) Keep it up, men. Thanks for all your work.

    ** hits paypal button **

    I’m the McLellan? It’s the hair, right????????? THANKS A LOT, BARRY!!! 🙂 I kid. The great thing about G, Woodguy and others who bring this blog so much every day is that they are also here to learn and defend their position with logic and reason.

    That’s what gives things value.

  131. John Chambers says:

    RexLibris: Let’s be honest.

    If we’re renting a space for this group there are only two appropriate sites- a church basement or a halfway house.

    I think Blues on Whyte with all the bikers, students, industrial workers, girl guides, and other mixed bag of music-lovers and those looking to drown their sorrows is a perfect spot.

    We could hire a band to cover all the songs from the RE series.

  132. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: Let’s be honest.

    If we’re renting a space for this group there are only two appropriate sites- a church basement or a halfway house.

    My name is Woodguy and I’m a Lowetidian.

  133. JDï™ says:

    Lowetide: I’m the McLellan?

    How’s your air-drumming? It better be up-to-snuff.

  134. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy,

    So far it seems like if you said anyone but Scrivens, you would have been right.I don’t remember many Ramo pushers though.It seems like Neuvirth, Jones, Niemi, Anderson, and Talbot were the most common nominees, in no specific order, and all of them currently are a significant improvement over last years fiasco.LTs pick of Jones seems to be the early frontrunner, but the price given up and the small sample size makes it too early to call.But guess what.We were all right.YEaaaaay.

    Oh, I missed your 3 part series on why your choice was the best like I did at my blog about Talbot.

  135. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Woodguy,

    Disagree. You and GMoney are quickly vaulting up in to the ultra-nerdy halls of internet hockey analytics blog rockstar status.

    Why just the other day you retweeted me, and I excitedly turned to my wife and exclaimed “Cool, Woodguy just retweeted me” to which she (rightly perhaps) responded “Who?”

    So I explained… to which her follow up response was “I don’t care”.

    Still, people doing good work to advance our understanding of the game is something that’s widely appreciated in these parts, so I think the compliment stands.

  136. khildahl says:

    Lowetide:

    logic and reason.

    That’s what gives things value.

    Well, we’ve all remained fans of this team far longer than was either logical OR reasonable.

  137. rickithebear says:

    An x,y range is needed to establish low; med and high chance shots. Any analytical presentation is needed for data use.
    6 years ago I first looked at Goalie performance and realized goals are repesentative of D and Goalie performance.:

    I used to review results team by team to estblish my data sets.
    I have moved to War 0n ices defenition of low; med and high chance shots. it yeilds diffent % than mine my results but it is my new standard.

    We See different Save % by goalie at even; PP; PK; Pulled goalie for each of the three shots.
    Example: Even LCS avg goalie save% .967; HCS avg golie save% .833.

    All said and done on average:
    there are 29 shots/gm
    14.5 Low chance shots were 16% of goals come from
    8 Med chance shots were 32% of goals come from
    7.5 high chance shots were 52% of goals come from.
    84% of goals from 53.4% of shots.

    Last nights game against detroit was a beutiful reflection of
    Corsi versus Shots (shot volume)
    and
    shots versus shot density.

    Shot density – Trying to release in x,y locations that yeild the highest shooting % results.
    LCS (point-upper circles)
    MCS (slot)
    HCS (box)

    From Det @ EDM
    Det 70 corsi – 17 MS – 24 BS = 29 shots
    EDM 43 corsi – 7 MS – 8 BS + 28 shots
    by corsi Det is superior
    by shots they are even.

    Scoring chances for
    Det 33
    EDM 22
    by this detroit is superior in its chance of scoring a goal.

    However thi is not true.
    Shots need to be broken down by strength and Density:

    Edmonton faced
    Strength – shots – LCG/LCS – MCG/MCS – HCG/HCS
    Even – 18SH – 0/6 – 0/5 – 1/7
    PK – 7SH – 0/5 – 0/2 – 0/0
    PP – 1SH – 0/0 – 0/1 – 0/0
    Pulled G – 3SH – 0/3 – 0/0 – 0/0
    total 29 SH – 0/14 – 0/8 – 1/7

    Expected goals from avg goalie
    14 LCS: .462G
    8 MCS: .624G
    7 HCS: 1.169G
    2.255 Goals

    Det faced;
    Strength – shots – LCG/LCS – MCG/MCS – HCG/HCS
    Even – 21SH – 0/10 – 0/3 – 2/8
    PK – 5SH – 0/1 – 0/3 – 1/1
    PP – 1SH – 0/1 – 0/0– 0/0
    total 28 SH – 0/12 – 0/6 – 1/9

    Expected goals from avg goalie
    12 LCS: .396
    6 MCS: .468
    9 HCS: .1.503
    2.367 goals

    Edmonton was superior in its chance of scoring a goal.

    We faced an empty net situation that yeilded 3 more Shots of LC.
    which increased the expected goals by .010
    it was the diference between
    DET 14 LCS and our 12 LCS.

    Both teams gave up a Medium and High chance shot count of 15.

    But Edmonton had a superior shot density with 9 HCS instead of detroits 7 HCS.
    As a result by density the 15 shots should have created;
    EDM .468 + 1.503 = 1.971 G
    DET .624 + 1.169 = 1.793 G
    the .178G is a significant diffrence over 82gm. A 14.6 GD for edmonton.

    A team wants to direct pucks at net so they achieve the best Shot volume.
    but you need to do it in a way that you achieve high Shot density.
    Se Jordon Eberle.

    Defensively you want d that have a low corsi/shot ratio when they are on the ice.
    29/70 is damn good.

    You want D that give up the lowest density of shots.
    4 years in NJ Fayne was the best.
    then sucked under Eakins and Nelson.
    has pretty much returned to top 20 form under Tmac.

    Goalie wise you want the best goalie at saving the 2 highest level density shots.
    talbot is that goalie last 2 years.

    Now what is not talked about is actual scorable shots.
    All low; med and high chance shots can be broken down into open aclosed chance shots.

    Even open:
    LCG/LCS – MCG/MCS – HCG/HCS
    Even closed:
    LCG/LCS – MCG/MCS – HCG/HCS

    at war on ice there is a collection of people like AT PFF that review and provide the data.
    they need to define the shots into these groups.

  138. BrazilianOil says:

    23/10 Was

    31/10 Cal

    03/11 Phi

    All these games with the bad guys on back to back games.

  139. Woodguy says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!,

    Ha!

    What’s your twitter handle?

  140. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Woodguy,

    @cn_mills

  141. John Chambers says:

    khildahl: Well, we’ve all remained fans of this team far longer than was either logical OR reasonable.

    At least we’ve found this civilized place as a refuge where logic and reason prevail, as opposed to vitriol and condescension, because Lord knows there’s been a lot of that flying around.

  142. stush18 says:

    I think I would be Schultz. I could delve deeper and make this place even more enjoyable, but that’s allot of work.

    When I do apply myself, I can be useful, and I do have some supporters who think I’m worthwhile. But most agree I don’t bring anything that can’t be duplicated at a cheaper price.

  143. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear,

    This is interesting.

    Gmoney’s great game page shows this as well.

    Waronice having historical shot location data is showing some of the nuance that corsi missed.

    That’s not a slag on corsi, it’s still a great possession metric, but as the data gets better we can dig down deeper.

  144. Tapdog says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!,

    lol this is gold top to bottom:)

  145. Lowetide says:

    Mrs. Lowetide reads the posts. One day, maybe at Christmas, I’ll do a q. and a. between us. It goes something like this:

    MrsLT: “While you were at the station some guy said you were wrong.”
    LT: “Who? About what?”
    MrsLT: “I don’t know, but he said you were wrong and then supplied a VERY long list with numbers and links. And then he added another post just like that, then a shorter one about 10 minutes later. they all had links.”
    LT: “Oh. That’s Woodguy.”
    MrsLT: “Maybe, you’ll have to look. And another guy said something and then everyone said he was crazy.”
    LT: “Huh. Well, that could be anybody.”

  146. JDï™ says:

    How about that Ference performance last night? I mean, he’s no OEL but he had a mostly quiet night and that’s a good thing – maybe even great, considering the context.

    I think he got a 7 from Bruce.

    If three scoring lines is a unicorn, what would Ference becoming a useful defender be? Centaur?

  147. bendelson says:

    Lowetidian get togethers need to be in LT’s Garage.

    Note: LT’s Garage is a not yet realised hockey analytics ‘bar and grill’ to be located within walking distance of my house. I suggest Cash-Mc’G’Money handle the up front costs…

    Everyone can simutaneously yell “Allan!” each and everytime LT enters and saunters over to his stool at the end of the bar.

    And we could get girls to come as well! Maybe…

  148. wheatnoil says:

    Pakarinen up, Miller down.

    He’ll join Woodguy and G Money on the first line.

  149. Магия 10 says:

    JDï™: If three scoring lines is a unicorn, what would Ference becoming a useful defender be? Centaur?

    Deliberate pun?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_creatures_in_Harry_Potter#Firenze

  150. Магия 10 says:

    bendelson:
    Lowetidian get togethers need to be in LT’s Garage.

    Note:LT’s Garage is a not yet realised hockey analytics ‘bar and grill’ to be located within walking distance of my house.I suggest Cash-Mc’G’Money handle the up front costs…

    Everyone can simutaneously yell “Allan!” each and everytime LT enters and saunters over to his stool at the end of the bar.

    And we could get girls to come as well!Maybe…

    It sounds old timey. Does Coach Fonzarelli live over that garage?

  151. khildahl says:

    JDï™:
    How about that Ference performance last night? I mean, he’s no OEL but he had a mostly quiet night and that’s a good thing – maybe even great, considering the context.

    I think he got a 7 from Bruce.

    If three scoring lines is a unicorn, what would Ference becoming a useful defender be? Centaur?

    I tried to resist making this comment, but realized Hunter would just go there anyway, so…

    He’s already halfway to centaur. I’ll leave which half to the imagination.

  152. JDï™ says:

    Магия 10: Deliberate pun?

    Nah – first one I thought of.

  153. RexLibris says:

    Glad Pakarinen is healthy enough to call up.

    He was the one for this line once Hendricks went down, in my opinion.

    He’s a shooter and plays a fairly straight-line game and is useful along the boards.

    That line needs someone who can best emulate the cycle but also be competent for a shot on net when he gets the puck so that defenders have to focus on three potential scorers rather than two and a body.

  154. böök¡je says:

    Lowetide:
    Mrs. Lowetide reads the posts. One day, maybe at Christmas, I’ll do a q. and a. between us. It goes something like this:

    MrsLT: “While you were at the station some guy said you were wrong.”
    LT: “Who? About what?”
    MrsLT: “I don’t know, but he said you were wrong and then supplied a VERY long list with numbers and links. And then he added another post just like that, then a shorter one about 10 minutes later. they all had links.”
    LT: “Oh. That’s Woodguy.”
    MrsLT: “Maybe, you’ll have to look. And another guy said something and then everyone said he was crazy.”
    LT: “Huh. Well, that could be anybody.”

    So, if we have something we want to say to Mrs. LT without you interfering or deleting it before she sees it, we should just post it while you are busy with your radio show.

    Ok, good to know. Thanks.

    [We are good to go for the intervention everyone]

  155. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy,

    Glen Sather never had a blog so he doesn’t know much about hockey. Just because someone doesn’t have the time to post how they arrived at their conclusion doesn’t mean they are wrong.

  156. Tire Fire says:

    khildahl:

    He’s already halfway to centaur.I’ll leave which half to the imagination.

    So…. he’s 1/4 horse?

  157. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy,

    Glen Sather never had a blog so he doesn’t know much about hockey.Just because someone doesn’t have the time to post how they arrived at their conclusion doesn’t mean they are wrong.

    You commented that “all the posters had their favorite goalie”

    I responded that I worked my ass off on a 3 part series on Talbot.

    You responded that Sather didn’t have a blog.

    You’re not Sather.

    Get stuffed.

  158. stush18 says:

    Woodguy,

    You seem rather angry.

    He’s technically right. Most of us agreed that talbot, nuevirth, Jones, lack were all good upgrades on what we had.

    No need to get snippy at him.

  159. Bruce McCurdy says:

    khildahl: I tried to resist making this comment, but realized Hunter would just go there anyway, so…

    He’s already halfway to centaur.I’ll leave which half to the imagination.

    Hunter is halfway to Alpha Centauri.

  160. Магия 10 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Hunter is halfway to Alpha Centauri.

    We like to think he’s halfway back.

  161. Lowetide says:

    In regard to this current argument, I’d like to say a few things. First, WG did a lot of work BEFORE Talbot was acquired and he looks good. I think he has every right to be proud of that, sure he is proud of it.

    I can also understand folks thinking “hey, I said Martin Jones was good” and if you want to go find it your previous verbal and post it here, music.

    Those things understood, I would request that the nastiness stops between all posters. There’s an individual who I’ve known since the hfboards days who emailed me not long ago saying he felt posting was no longer enjoyable because of exchanges like the one we’ve seen here this afternoon.

    I love to read this guy’s posts, and he’s not doing it any longer. Please consider that when you have someone in your sights for a post, that’s someone who has value to the group.

    Even if you don’t think so personally.

    Thanks for reading.

  162. hunter1909 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Hunter is halfway to Alpha Centauri.

    Busted!

  163. Woodguy says:

    stush18:
    Woodguy,

    You seem rather angry.

    He’s technically right. Most of us agreed that talbot, nuevirth, Jones,lack were all good upgrades on what we had.

    No need to get snippy at him.

    Sure.

    Link to your post and/or others who mentioned Talbot before May 14, 2015.

    I can also understand folks thinking “hey, I said Martin Jones was good” and if you want to go find it your previous verbal and post it here, music.

    That.

    Evidence.

    This blog runs on evidence.

    Talking out your ass is everywhere else, not here.

  164. AsiaOil says:

    Luck is luck – good or bad – always lurking around the corner. This year we look like the 2014-15 Flames with lots of things breaking right – last year everything went wrong. I have a little idea (won’t even try call it a theory) that good management, good coaching and effort can take best advantage of lady luck and lure her into your presence for a short time and compensate for a lack of talent. Bad management, bad coaching and poor effort lures in the dark side of the lady. If your team is screwed up – the chaos just overwhelms any good luck effects and emphasizes the bad. Bit of a play on the “you have to be good to be lucky” saw – but I’d adapt it to be “you have to good to take advantage of luck”.

    We appear to be lucky so far this year – but we also have our junk together for the first time in ages – and lady lucks finally sees us a a decent date 🙂 But we better get more talent on the ice fast cause she’s a fickle girl as the Flames are finding out this season.

  165. Ice Sage says:

    Hey numbers guys – if the Oilers had last years save percentage, what would their record be now? Methinks 1-6? Point is, for all the hoopla about ‘looking better’ and ‘Connor’, it seems that goaltending is the most impactful area of improvement.

    Washington will be a test – they can finish and have a really good goalie themselves.

  166. delooper says:

    Huh, what, there’s an argument going on? All I read is comments about aliens and interventions.

  167. hunter1909 says:

    AsiaOil: I have a little idea (won’t even try call it a theory) that good management, good coaching and effort can take best advantage of lady luck and lure her into your presence for a short time and compensate for a lack of talent. Bad management, bad coaching and poor effort lures in the dark side of the lady. If your team is screwed up – the chaos just overwhelms any good luck effects and emphasizes the bad. Bit of a play on the “you have to be good to be lucky” saw – but I’d adapt it to be “you have to good to take advantage of luck”.

    Imagine a pair of 18 year old boxers. For argument sake they’re 100% even in talent.

    One of them studies boxing history, gets plenty of sleep because getting up at 430 AM to go running is hard.

    The other one parties a little too much at times, and chases girls. He still does most of his roadwork, and to outsiders looks just as good as the other one.

    There’s only 1 place available to go to the Olympics. The one who gets sleep beats the one who parties.

    After the match, the losing side tells their boxer that he had “bad luck”.

    My view is, in life, one makes one’s own “luck”. “Luck” is given to the one who, without anyone noticing, shows more dedication.

    Most people never learn this lesson. Most people never achieve their goals either. They blame that on “getting bad luck”.

    Last game, the Oilers by my eye had about 75 examples of “good luck” as they won races to the puck, got great saves from their goalie, and as the game grew on, were increasingly able to disrupt the Wings chances with stick work, etc.

    Last season, Oilers wouldn’t have won so many races, the goalies were terrible, and the Wings would have won the game easily.

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