G10 2015-16: OILERS AT WILD

The Edmonton Oilers are 3-6-0 and headed into Lemaire Valley tonight, where entertainment goes to die. Expect the trap, the dredge, the sewer and the skunk. What good can you expect? Todd McLellan will have his team prepared, McDavid will do something incredible and we get to see the future on defense.

Nurse is up, no word on whether or not he’ll play. We know for sure (barring another injury) that Oscar Klefbom, Andrej Sekera, Mark Fayne and Eric Gryba will play. After that, there’s two spots for three blue (Andrew Ference, Brandon Davidson and Nurse) unless they decide to dress 7D and that’s possible.

  • Sekera—Fayne
  • Klefbom—Ference
  • Nurse/Davidson—Gryba

That’s a guess an attempt to drive some readers crazy. We wait.

  • Gerry Fleming: “If I was recommending a guy, I’d have said Darnell. He has been our most complete player. He’s moving the puck more quickly (and making fewer long rushes with it). He’s making good reads.” Source

The shot came early on (I replayed the game, that 4line didn’t get a lot of time) and maybe he can build on it. Honestly, the bottom six forwards haven’t established themselves as something the viewer can count on, but maybe that’s McLellan’s style. Mark Letestu (9GP, 1-2-3), Lauri Korpikoski (9GP, 2-1-3) and Anton Lander (9GP, 0-0-0) are the most prominent sixes and sevens and nines, hopefully we see some consistency on the 3 and 4lines. Devan Dubnyk (knee) may not start and their backup played like the hero in Neil Young’s Powderfinger in their last game (“face splashed in the sky….”).

eberle draft

  • Gregor on Eberle: “It sounds like Jordan Eberle is hoping to start skating with the team next week. They are looking at a possible return sometime after he has a few hard skates. His exact return date will depend on how the shoulder handles contact in practice. It sounds like November 10th to 15th could be reasonable.” Hat tip to Pouzar.

slepy capture

HOW’S THAT CRAZY TRADE GOING?

  1. R Anton Slepyshev 7GP, 0-1-1 (NHL)
  2. F Valentin Zykov 5GP, 3-0-3 (AHL)
  3. C Bogdan Yakimov 6GP, 1-1-2 (AHL)
  4. C Kyle Platzer 6GP, 0-2-2 (AHL)
  5. F Aidan Muir 5GP, 1-0-1 (NCAA)

The Oilers remain ahead so far (Jackson Houck wasn’t signed so drops away) but young Zykov’s start makes things interesting. I like the chances one of Slepyshev, Yakimov or Platzer making the NHL, and still think it’s one of MacT’s best moves.

LAST YEAR’S G10 STARTING LINEUP

Source

  • Hall—Nuge—Eberle
  • Perron—Draisaitl—Purcell
  • Pouliot—Arcobello—Yakupov
  • Hendricks—Gordon—Joensuu
  • Marincin—Fayne
  • Ference—Petry
  • Hunt—Schultz
  • Scrivens (Bachman)

If the Oilers stop trading defensemen they’ll eventually get out of the hole. Which brings us to Justin Schultz. Tonight will be an excellent opportunity to see the team without their puck-moving blue on the RH side. Will they be better? Don’t know. Schultz is fast and he has a lot of things that make him go, but there’s a tremendous amount of chaos there every night. That said, your RH side incumbents tonight are Mark Fayne and Eric Gryba, two of the best ‘chop it square’ blue in the business. Challenge tonight.

TODD MCLELLAN, BIG BRAIN

I love hearing McLellan talk about where the group is now, it gives us a timeline for success. If we listen to McLellan, it’s easy to suss out the team on the ice and their current level of ability.

  • McLellan: “This group is still learning to trust each other. I think everybody has a good idea of what they’re supposed to be doing, but as soon as one guy doesn’t get his job done—the trust breaks down, everyone’s trying to cover up and it’s more mistakes. Repetition, drilling it into them, they’ll get it and when they do we’ll be a better team for it.”

When I was a young broadcaster, my program director’s would go over airchecks and say ‘be yourself’ in terms of style. Here’s a problem: That doesn’t really mean anything to someone who is 19.

The first guy to give me something I could use was a man named Gerald, and he was extremely specific. He had a giant Cadillac, and drove me to one end of Gaetz Avenue in Red Deer, turned the car around and said “tell me what you see, broadcast what’s in front of you.” I gave a weather report, pointed out the apartment I lived in, commented on the smooth ride of the Cadillac and by then we were at the other end of Gaetz Avenue.

Then it was his turn. He was incredible. He said “there’s no McDonald’s in Red Deer, I wonder if there’s another city in North America with 50,000 people in it without one. Do people ever wonder about the downside of living in a small city midway between two big cities? That might be one of the negatives. The brewery smells so bad, I wonder if restaurants nearby are less popular? Capers might know, I wonder if the north side is less busy than the south? My wife keeps telling me Bower Place is the best mall, so why is Parkland’s parking lot always full? Is it because Red Deer prefers Mark’s Work Wearhouse to The Bay?” On and on he went, it was insane. I probably learned more about broadcasting in that half hour in the Cadillac with Gerald than I’ve learned before or since. Specific, news you can use, he turned my gobbledygook into words so specific they could have been pulled from a Chuck Berry song. The words went from “dip-dip-dip-dip-bum-mum-mum-mum” to “they furnished off an apartment with a two room Roebuck sale, The coolerator was crammed with TV dinners and ginger ale” in a heartbeat. I think that’s probably McLellan’s gift, too. “Be yourself” doesn’t mean one goddamn thing, but specific instructions, drilling it into them, knowing the moment by rote, that’s the ticket. Fact: These kids don’t know defense, if they did they would be better at it.

shine a light

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy and fun show this morning on TSN1260, beginning at 10. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, Cult of Hockey. Nurse recall, pairing’s tonight, shopping for blue, McDavid.
  • Jeff Krushell, Krush Performance. Royals-Mets. Who knew? Can those long hairs win it for the Miracle 2.0 Mets?
  • Jen Lute Costella, Co-founder LCG Analytics. Jen is a analytics watershed of information and a refreshing voice for fans. She’s looking at fascinating areas and we’ll discuss just after 11 this morning.
  • Scott Zerr, Oilers Nation. Scott updates us on Leon and Laurent, plus we’ll discuss Darnell Nurse and his recall.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Soup Fascist says:

    Who exactly was worried about losing Davidson on waivers, again?

  2. neojanus says:

    russ99,

    Yeah, it’s just brutal. The tying goal looked like vomit on the ice, but what the hell can anyone do with a completely unnecessary give-away from behind the net?

    I can’t take HOW the Oilers lose games any more.

  3. Snowman says:

    Picturesque:
    I feel bad for Talbot ….he wasn’t a UFA signing, he got traded to the Oilers. I’m starting to see a real possibility that he doesn’t sign an extension, at least not until the defense is fixed.

    There aren’t that many goalie jobs around that the guy can pick and choose and it’s not like he’s going to be boasting a 0.950 sv%.

  4. Johnny skid says:

    Picturesque:
    I feel bad for Talbot ….he wasn’t a UFA signing, he got traded to the Oilers. I’m starting to see a real possibility that he doesn’t sign an extension, at least not until the defense is fixed.

    i bet he will love playing with conner.

  5. Centre of attention says:

    3rd has for sure been in Minnisotas court. The Oilers were right there until the end of the second pretty much.

    I’m not trying to defend there play, which is now beyond hopeless. Lets hope it doesn’t get any worse…

  6. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAint'sSo! says:

    FWIW, perhaps if lately 2/3 of each thread wasn’t trashing the Flames and instead focused on the Oilers maybe the hockey gords wouldn’t feel the need to put us all back in our places….

    Just a thought

  7. spoiler says:

    Thought we were going to get one there.

  8. Lowetide says:

    McDavid damn near scored on that.

  9. russ99 says:

    Off the post! Man. So close.

  10. Centre of attention says:

    Hall out with McDavid and Yak. Not messing around.

  11. BeerMe says:

    FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

  12. Sugar Reijo says:

    That McDavid’s pretty good, hey?

  13. BeerMe says:

    Someone wipe that shit-eating grin off of Dubnyk’s face.

  14. G Money says:

    Another bizarro blue line play by Sekera that almost results in a break the other way.

  15. Loyal2theoil says:

    Seeing Klef good

  16. G Money says:

    If the Oilers had this kind of urgency to their game a little earlier, they might have had a shot.

  17. Captain's Log says:

    I don’t understand the NHL. They want more scoring in the game and yet the continue to let players waterski, run picks and hold all over the ice.

  18. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Davidson out with 40 seconds to go? Why?

  19. Centre of attention says:

    G Money:
    If the Oilers had this kind of urgency to their game a little earlier, they might have had a shot.

    Agreed.

  20. Loyal2theoil says:

    Has Letestu even had a shift?

  21. leadfarmer says:

    That summarizes the state of the d when you have Nurse and Davidson out there with less than a minute in the game. The rest of the team other than Sekera is just so clueless

  22. G Money says:

    Centre of attention,

    After two,
    SF% 46%
    CF% 40%
    Danger chances% 42%

    The shots were close but that was deceptive. This was a steamroll job.

  23. Pouzar says:

    F^ck Off.

  24. leadfarmer says:

    It’s ok guys. Even if you scored the refs wouldn’t count it.

  25. BAUCE says:

    So this is a worse start than last year?

  26. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAint'sSo! says:

    Pathetic

  27. Lucinius says:

    Gryba cost us this game, imo.

    Defence couldn’t do fuck all tonight when they had time and space behind the Oiler net. Screwed it up multiple times all night long.

  28. Johnny skid says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAint’sSo!:
    FWIW, perhaps if lately 2/3 of each thread wasn’t trashing the Flames and instead focused on the Oilers maybe the hockey gords wouldn’t feel the need to put us all back in our places….

    Just a thought
    screw that – the more flame trashing the better.

  29. Pouzar says:

    Another loss.

  30. LadiesloveSmid says:

    52-42 ES Corsi.

    I just don’t know how this team takes the next step without 2 new top 4 D and 3 new 3rd liners.

    3-7-0, gonna start looking at draft rankings pretty soon. Fuck sakes

  31. Centre of attention says:

    G Money,

    Maybe the score effects were affecting my perception 😛 The numbers usually don’t lie.

    That being said I didn’t see that 45 second collapse coming at all. Holy crap was that painful to watch.

  32. blainer says:

    Tmac needs to do nothing but practice on how to break out of their own zone.. NOTHING else.. If the players are not listening to the coach FFS make a trade… Suspect Hall’s trade request is getting close..

  33. LadiesloveSmid says:

    RNH needs Eberle back big time. Has not been the offensive threat he needs to be

  34. böök¡je says:

    Factotum:
    Still too soft and too easy to play against.All the aggression is coming from the team not named Oilers.Sadly, shinny won’t win in this league.

    Yeah,
    Nothing to do with a lack of skill – it’s all about grit.

  35. Snowman says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    RNH needs Eberle back big time. Has not been the offensive threat he needs to be

    Think he needs to be on a line without Hall. Nuge is better when he’s the puck carrier.

  36. russ99 says:

    Still too early to panic. 10 games don’t wipe away years of bad habits, at the very worst, McLellan has made a dent.

    That said, would sure be nice to see Chia find us another D at the very least to make that bottom pairing less off a tire fire and a quality veteran bottom six 2-way forward that can mentor some of these kids.

  37. Factotum says:

    “We take the shortest route to the puck and arrive in ill humor.”
    – Bobby Clarke

    The Oilers could use a dose of that. Hockey ain’t a non-contact sport.

  38. CrazyCoach says:

    Fuñny how a game can change so quickly.

    I knew this team had holes on D, but these are titanic-sized tears on the Good Ship Oiler.

    Hard game to watch.

    Habs up next.

    Ouch!

  39. PhrankLee says:

    Im pretty thrilled with that game.

    In it to the last second, again.

    McDavid with the puck and a chance at the end, I know, again!

    Nurse in the line up. Nice!

    Things are coming together. They really are.

  40. BeerMe says:

    If Chia doesn’t act soon to completely rebuild this league-worst defense, our wonderkids will have been completely wasted. It only feels like we’re winning when McDavid has the goddamned puck. We might as well bench the D and run 5 forwards. Nuge would be a better 1D than anyone else on this godforsaken team.

  41. Centre of attention says:

    This game could of made it 4-6 or even 3-6-1. Thats so much easier on the eyes. No nice things for Oil nation yet it seems.

    Rienhart coming back full time and 100% healthy will stabilize the 3rd pair hopefully. Can you even blame Gryba at this point? A new D partner every night consistently? Hard to read plays in the D zone when you don’t have a feel where your partner is and everything is on fire.

  42. Lucinius says:

    On pace for 49 points this year (compared to 74 last year, 57 year before that at same time).

    RNH: on pace for 41 points
    McDavid: on pace for 82 points
    Hall: on pace for 66 points
    Yakupov: on pace for 74 points

    RNH has been really struggling to generate offence. He needs Eberle back something fierce.

    Oilers need to learn how to exit their own zone; sadly, that includes when they have time and space with control from behind their own net.

    I could have executed better exits than Gryba tonight! He was horrendous.

  43. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Snowman: Think he needs to be on a line without Hall. Nuge is better when he’s the puck carrier.

    then they need to acquire another centre because Lander can not support Hall. I don’t know that he and that 3rd line have had a good game yet.

  44. leadfarmer says:

    Put the Belander triangle on the fourth line with Hendricks and get a whole new third line.

    And unless you find a pp quarterback top 4 defenseman soon this season is done. So many dmen have no clue what to do

  45. blainer says:

    Factotum:
    “We take the shortest route to the puck and arrive in ill humor.”
    – Bobby Clarke

    The Oilers could use a dose of that.Hockey ain’t a non-contact sport.

    And who lead the team in hits tonight? The rookie .. Nurse.. He is NHL ready.. please get him some help..

  46. GCW_69 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    RNH needs Eberle back big time. Has not been the offensive threat he needs to be

    Eberle stirs the drink on that line offensively.

  47. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAint'sSo! says:

    As much as I would love to blame Gryba for that goal 100%, you need to watch the replay and tell me where his outlet passes are. This is the story so far this year, whenever they start running around the first thing that they abandon is coming back deep and providing an outlet. And every single line does it (McD’s line is the best of the worst but Yak still has a hard time taking a pass. Hall flies through but comes in too fast and doesn’t read the play properly. 3rd and 4th lines are shit.)

    If you don’t have an outlet deep in your end the passes are exponentially harder to hit. Combine that with 4/6 D being shitty puck movers and you have a recipe for disaster.

    On there other hand,

    Darnell Nurse is beautiful, Connor McDavid is beautiful and the Ducks have blown a 3 goal lead in less than 12 minutes…. Maybe there is hope…

  48. Snowman says:

    LadiesloveSmid: then they need to acquire another centre because Lander can not support Hall. I don’t know that he and that 3rd line have had a good game yet.

    Two things: Lander has played well with Hall…and Draisaitl.

  49. Lucinius says:

    LadiesloveSmid: then they need to acquire another centre because Lander can not support Hall. I don’t know that he and that 3rd line have had a good game yet.

    Actually, history shows something quite different. Lander needs someone who can drive play. He can play with skill. He can play a checking role. But he cannot piss a drop without a bus driver on his line.

  50. BAUCE says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    52-42 ES Corsi.

    I just don’t know how this team takes the next step without 2 new top 4 D and 3 new 3rd liners.

    The answer is simple – they don’t. But the time for waiting and half measures should be long over by now. The mix is not right and one of the heretofore untouchables is going to have to go.

    And the team will be better for it.

  51. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Let’s hope Talbot doesn’t go the route of the Dubnyk. Good goalie with confidence soiled by abysmal defence. Time to add a top 4 right shot D. Send any one of the current packing on the way. I can’t watch any more games like this. Keep Sekera, Klefbom, Nurse. I really don’t care who else goes.

  52. Reasonableness says:

    Finding ways to lose, we keep putting ourselves in a good spot and then deciding to vacate it in a hurry

  53. Lucinius says:

    You aren’t getting a top four right shot D right now.

    Not unless you’re willing to massively overpay (i.e.; trade Hall). There’s just way too much demand with the d-men injuries around the league.

  54. Johnny skid says:

    Centre of attention:
    This game could of made it 4-6 or even 3-6-1. Thats so much easier on the eyes. No nice things for Oil nation yet it seems.

    Rienhart coming back full time and 100% healthy will stabilize the 3rd pair hopefully. Can you even blame Gryba at this point? A new D partner every night consistently? Hard to read plays in the D zone when you don’t have a feel where your partner is and everything is on fire.
    with our full roster we win this game,

  55. Really? says:

    Snowman,

    Fully agree. Nuge is far better when he is the puck handler. That much was evident last year when Hall was out and the Nuge, Eberle, Pouliot line played so well. Would be great to see Hall paired up with Lander once Eberle returns to action.

    In the meantime, if Chiarelli is not spending every waking moment of every day trying to find top notch D men for this team then he is negligent. The team needs an infusion of competence along the blue.

  56. Sugar Reijo says:

    Not sure if this has ever been proposed or not, but…Hall for OEL?

    *runs and hides*

  57. hags9k says:

    After 10 games of Sekera, I am very underwhelmed. It’s totally unfair to him, but we needed him to be so much more. Yet another being asked to play above where they should be.

  58. Factotum says:

    böök¡je: Yeah,
    Nothing to do with a lack of skill – it’s all about grit.

    ALL? Who said ALL?

    “Oilers playing beer league hockey…skate well, shoot well, pass well, NONE of the little things it takes to win.” – Dave Lumley, 9 Oct 2014. Skill only gets you so far.

    Granted, I only watched the third period, but I don’t recall an Oiler throwing one bodycheck. Not one.

    I’m as geeky as a math geek can get, and have little use for the guys who spout “grit” and “compete” all the time, but there’s something missing here. YMMV, but I think it’s the same thing as when Ray Ferraro says that they have too many of the same type of player. My opinion only.

  59. Snowman says:

    Factotum: ALL?Who said ALL?

    “Oilers playing beer league hockey…skate well, shoot well, pass well, NONE of the little things it takes to win.” – Dave Lumley, 9 Oct 2014.Skill only gets you so far.

    Granted, I only watched the third period, but I don’t recall an Oiler throwing one bodycheck.Not one.

    I’m as geeky as a math geek can get, and have little use for the guys who spout “grit” and “compete” all the time, but there’s something missing here.YMMV, but I think it’s the same thing as when Ray Ferraro says that they have too many of the same type of player.My opinion only.

    The thing that is missing is 1.5 top four defensemen.

  60. blainer says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAint’sSo!:
    As much as I would love to blame Gryba for that goal 100%, you need to watch the replay and tell me where his outlet passes are. This is the story so far this year, whenever they start running around the first thing that they abandon is coming back deep and providing an outlet. And every single line does it (McD’s line is the best of the worst but Yak still has a hard time taking a pass. Hall flies through but comes in too fast and doesn’t read the play properly. 3rd and 4th lines are shit.)

    If you don’t have an outlet deep in your end the passes are exponentially harder to hit. Combine that with 4/6 D being shitty puck movers and you have a recipe for disaster.

    On there other hand,

    Darnell Nurse is beautiful, Connor McDavid is beautiful and the Ducks have blown a 3 goal lead in less than 12 minutes…. Maybe there is hope…

    Man well said… This is a systems failure.. But we have been forcing these kinds of passes ALL year.. We have an accomplished coach.. These types of problems should not be happing on a regular basis at this level.. If the players are not getting it make a trade.. How many times can you blame the coach..

  61. BAUCE says:

    blainer: Man well said… This is a systems failure.. But we have forcing these kinds of passes ALL year.. We have an accomplished coach.. These types of problems should not be happing on a regular basis at this level.. If the players are not getting it make a trade.. How many times can you blamethe coach..

    Exactly – if the players cannot execute the system then…

  62. G Money says:

    Shot distance summary post up: https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/10/27/g10-2015-10-27-edmonton-at-minnesota-shot-and-distance-data/

    The shots/Corsi evened up, but the “Danger Fenwick” clearly shows the difference in balance of play.

  63. dustrock says:

    Honestly not super interested in watching until Eberle comes back and they improve the D.

    You’re on the clock, Chia Pete.

  64. Centre of attention says:

    Only respite Oilers have is that the rest of the pacific [besides Kings and Sharks] are struggling as well out the gate, so its not like were completely out of the picture just yet.

  65. Hello says:

    Soooo why can’t we try to play a whole game like we did in the last 3 mins???????!

    Like learn to play desperate hockey all game guys!

  66. Johnny Larue says:

    PhrankLee:
    Im pretty thrilled with that game.

    In it to the last second, again.

    McDavid with the puck and a chance at the end, I know, again!

    I agree I see progress Nurse looked great and I think people forget the years of futility playing the Wild we had a chance McDavid is fantastic and you can see things starting to take shape. As they said in the broadcast you can see the future taking place. Once the deadwood is cleared out and the defence is shored up the worm will start to turn

    Nurse in the line up. Nice!

    Things are coming together. They really are.

  67. RexLibris says:

    Hmm, it appears I wasn’t really paying attention this summer.

    When did the Blue Jackets sign Bobrovsky to a 4-year $7.5 million dollar contract?

    Or rather, to put it another way, when did the Blue Jackets eat the beans they call brains and flush the leftovers?

  68. godot10 says:

    Sugar Reijo:
    Not sure if this has ever been proposed or not, but…Hall for OEL?

    *runs and hides*

    Not sure if this has ever been said in response before…but Hall does not get you OEL.

    And for the NEW part, especially now that they have Domi and Duclair.

  69. RexLibris says:

    Centre of attention:
    Only respite Oilers have is that the rest of the pacific [besides Kings and Sharks] are struggling as well out the gate, so its not like were completely out of the picture just yet.

    Anyone notice that the Jackets quietly caught up with the Flames’ number of wins? They’re two points back of the Oilers now as well.

    Wow, that Tortorella is some kind of genius.

    Whoops, gotta go, my sarcasmatron is overheating.

  70. Centre of attention says:

    People complaining about Nuge and talking about tinkering with the forward lines need to wake the fuck up and smell the coffee…the Oilers forwards are scoring goals just fine. IF they had defense who could move the puck, that might help out the Nuge line. Also, Hall-Nuge-Eb’s is more proven to me then Pou-Nuge-Eb’s. If you want to tell me with a straight face that Hall is better without Eb’s your beyond insane.

    The forwards are not the concern, its the defense. And like some have mentioned there are no quick fixes. Pushing the panic button won’t work either. I think Chia might make a small D move that might give the back end a shot in the arm. Some consistency on the 3rd pair would do wonders, but I don’t like the thought of Gryba-Rienhart.

  71. G Money says:

    Lone bright spot the last couple of games: even without Eberle, the Oilers are starting to look dangerous as an offensive team. They’ve started losing games because of the terrible defense.

    That’s how it was supposed to be this year!

  72. Factotum says:

    Snowman: The thing that is missing is 1.5 top four defensemen.

    Also true. It’s more than one thing.

  73. Pouzar says:

    Centre of attention,

    Yup. It’s Ebs with Hall and Nuge. Can’t touch the McDavid line now.

  74. godot10 says:

    It was interesting to note that when TMc shortened his bench in the 3rd, he went to Klef with Sekera, and Nurse with Davidson.

  75. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAint'sSo! says:

    blainer,

    See that’s the most frustrating part, is that for large chunks of each game you can see that they do listen. You can see the wingers dropping half a step below the hashmark, you can see the forecheck taking a little bit off the dump in and the winger coming in hot and when combined with the type of d-men the Oilers have this works fine.

    Gryba doesn’t have to be Paul Coffey if the wingers are far enough down in support. LT showed a graphic from Fear the Fin after TMac was signed that showed his primary breakout. They stress short passes to guys in flight. Behind the net, along the wall, winger or centre rounding the dot and bam up the middle. If timed properly the far winger exits ahead, draws the far d-man with him and the centre can move up relatively free. Three passes should connect before you hit the ringette line, the Oilers as of yet don’t even have three guys back behind the ringette line.

    Instead we are getting these bizarre plays like the 4th goal against tonight. Gryba had about 8 seconds behind his own net and only one forward was in the zone (clearly covered along the opposite wall.) He shot it around the boards because there was absolutely no outlet. That’s a forward SNAFU, maybe not quite as much as his (He should have ate it or flipped it out agreed,) but he didn’t have a decent option and that is on the forwards.

  76. Snowman says:

    G Money:
    Lone bright spot the last couple of games: even without Eberle, the Oilers are starting to look dangerous as an offensive team.They’ve started losing games because of the terrible defense.

    That’s how it was supposed to be this year!

    When is is supposed to not be like that? I really hate being *this close* and yet being miles away…

  77. G Money says:

    As has been said a few times, the only slack I’ll cut Gryba is that he’s had a revolving door for a partner, AND the loss of Reinhart has forced Gryba to be the de facto 5D on that pairing, and he’s not capable of that. But he’s probably just fine as a 6D paired with Reinhart as a 5D.

    That pairing won’t move the puck well, but they will be OK defensively, especially as Reinhart gets a few more NHL games under his belt. Reinhart’s at, what, 11 NHL games? Give him at least one season of NHL development before releasing the hounds

  78. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAint'sSo! says:

    The Ducks are a minute away from a total collapse

  79. Dicky94 says:

    So who do we call up now to replace some of the bums on this team? Teddy needs to hold Andrew’s popcorn for awhile. Korpse does not impress me at all and Klink maybe out for a bit.

  80. Henry says:

    godot10:
    It was interesting to note that when TMc shortened his bench in the 3rd, he went to Klef with Sekera, and Nurse with Davidson.

    I noticed that too. Nary a good RH defenseman on the entire 50 man roster.

    It’s like having a pitching staff with no lefties. You can play the game, but it is hard to win consistently.

  81. G Money says:

    Snowman,

    Well, the *best case* scenario was that TMc’s influence would take this pig’s ear of a defense and make it into a pig’s purse. (A silk purse is right out of the question)

    And let’s not forget that this was already a weak defense, and it’s missing two guys counted on to be regulars. (We’ll debate the specific value of Schultz another time)

    It’s not going to change until Reinhart and Nurse both hit 120 games and Chia Pete adds at least one more Top 4 defenseman, two more if Schultz exits stage left as he probably will.

    When a guy like Gryba is your de facto 7D struggling to make the lineup each night instead of your de facto 5D counted on to play 18 mins a night, then some progress will have been made.

  82. Pouzar says:

    G Money:
    Snowman,

    Well, the *best case* scenario was that TMc’s influence would take this pig’s ear of a defense and make it into a pig’s purse.(A silk purse is right out of the question)

    And let’s not forget that this was already a weak defense, and it’s missing two guys counted on to be regulars.(We’ll debate the specific value of Schultz another time)

    It’s not going to change until Reinhart and Nurse both hit 120 games and Chia Pete adds at least one more Top 4 defenseman, two more if Schultz exits stage left as he probably will.

    When a guy like Gryba is your de facto 7D struggling to make the lineup each night instead of your de facto 5D counted on to play 18 mins a night, then some progress will have been made.

    All the more important to keep Nurse up. Get those games in now.

  83. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAint'sSo! says:

    Collapse complete. Ducks were up 3-0 with 5 minutes left in the 2nd and end up losing 4-3… Their owner also recently said they were losing $10s of millions a year. Not good in Anaheim right now

  84. G Money says:

    Seasonal expectation:

    I thought the Oilers would finish the first 10 games at 4-6 (8 pts) best case. (And that was before the Eberle injury) They are 1 game below my expectation, and 2 games below .500.

    I expect in the second 10-game segment, they should go 4-6 or 4-5-1 (8 to 9 points) nominal case.

    EVERY 10 and 11 game segment after that, they should be going .500 or better.

    For me, that’s the team’s Mendoza line this year.

  85. kurri_17 says:

    Lucinius,

    okay… calm….
    we have a very hard schedule for the first 20 while at the same time they try to implement changes in the system (McLellan) – i expected 6 -7 wins, so I’m fine. Along with 2 of the top 5 (4? 3?) D out, and Eberle.

    We weren’t making the playoffs. We’re figuring out the holes.

    I’m fine. Games are close despite all the above. (except Washington)

  86. Centre of attention says:

    Pouzar,

    I can’t believe some people in the comments here are complaining about the forwards. If they had a Schultz type RH player that wasn’t so Jultzy at even strength this team would be miles better.

    People bitching about Gryba are starting to get to me too. What do you expect from him? A steady partner might help the errant passes, but beyond that he’s not going to move the needle much alone. Combine that with the fact Rienhart’s skill set doesn’t mesh well with Gryba’s and you get a crappy 3rd pair. Davidson hasn’t impressed either.

    A small trade to stabilize the 3rd pair might have a greater effect then one might think.

  87. Henry says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAint’sSo!:
    Collapse complete. Ducks were up 3-0 with 5 minutes left in the 2nd and end up losing 4-3… Their owner also recently said they were losing $10s of millions a year. Not good in Anaheim right now

    Hampus for Iiro!

  88. blainer says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAint’sSo!:
    blainer,

    See that’s the most frustrating part, is that for large chunks of each game you can see that they do listen. You can see the wingers dropping half a step below the hashmark, you can see the forecheck taking a little bit off the dump in and the winger coming in hot and when combined with the type of d-men the Oilers have this works fine.

    Gryba doesn’t have to be Paul Coffey if the wingers are far enough down in support. LT showed a graphic from Fear the Fin after TMac was signed that showed his primary breakout. They stress short passes to guys in flight. Behind the net, along the wall, winger or centre rounding the dot and bam up the middle. If timed properly the far winger exits ahead, draws the far d-man with him and the centre can move up relatively free. Three passes should connect before you hit the ringette line, the Oilers as of yet don’t even have three guys back behind the ringette line.

    Instead we are getting these bizarre plays like the 4th goal against tonight. Gryba had about 8 seconds behind his own net and only one forward was in the zone (clearly covered along the opposite wall.) He shot it around the boards because there was absolutely no outlet. That’s a forward SNAFU, maybe not quite as much as his (He should have ate it or flipped it out agreed,) but he didn’t have a decent option and that is on the forwards.

    Absolutely agree…. For those who have played the D position it is beyond frustrating when the D has possession of the puck THAT long and no forward as an option..

    again this should not be happening.. again I say I have been watching this problem all season.. I assume we are not the only ones seeing this..

  89. kurri_17 says:

    G Money,

    very reasonable.

  90. Snowman says:

    G Money,

    I was fine with having a terrible D for a while until I saw how good Mcdavid actually is. It physically pains me to watch him play with this D. Double pain for watching the Oilers burn decent goaltending.

  91. flyfish1168 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAint’sSo!:
    Collapse complete. Ducks were up 3-0 with 5 minutes left in the 2nd and end up losing 4-3… Their owner also recently said they were losing $10s of millions a year. Not good in Anaheim right now

    The question is well Boudreau be replaced by eakins

  92. G Money says:

    Snowman,

    Yes, painful.

    If it helps, breathe deeply and remind yourself that Nikitin and Scrivens cap hit disappear next year, Ference will likely be bought out (removing most of his cap hit and freeing up the roster spot), and Gryba and Schultz’s contracts will be up. Lots of room for Chia to make moves.

  93. Snowman says:

    G Money,

    That does help but not as much as booze.

  94. dangilitis says:

    1) I know Oilers are now 0-7 against winning teams, but the Oilers tend to play better against the E, and have had success against Montreal – just post an Eller quote on the wall… Even without it, I think its much closer to a 50% chance of success against Montreal than you would expect for a 3-7 vs a 9-0 (heading 9-1) team. Not wearing rose-coloured glasses here, I think its still more likely a loss but I won’t count them out.

    2) Nurse played great. LT’s prediction (and that of many others) came true and it is a joy to watch. My father in law asked me if I was happy Schultz was injured (I successfully turned him against the man using logic), and I said it all depends on how Nurse has done. The 2 aren’t mutually exclusive on the team, but the opportunity looks like it has been seized 1 game in.

    3) Pete & Todd clearly aware of some issues with D (e.g. bringing up Nurse over Ference) but are seemingly content to watch the 3rd/4th lines play as grinders, not necessarily eating up the hard minutes. This bothers me more than the D, which, we have all established, is a tire fire right now.

    4) Happy with Iiro’s play. One game, but size and a bit of skill is better than Korps or Klink. Hendricks worked for a game as well so its plausible. Hope is that Iiro or Anton the 2nd establish a posiiton before Eberle’s return. Lander (cross fingers that its just the support because he missed his man on GWG) + Slep/Iiro playing good game + Draisaitl later this year gives a very decent 3rd line, far superior to anything we’ve iced.

    5) So happy for Yak! McDavid is a blessing for this reason alone, the fact that he’s doing it as an 18 y/o is incredible. This has become the Pouliot RNH Eberle line in that you do not break it up and it gives the team ability to run some offensively talented forwards.

    6) Need to ask Sportsnet announcers where I can take courses in “game management” or learn about game management theory…

  95. spoiler says:

    godot10:
    It was interesting to note that when TMc shortened his bench in the 3rd, he went to Klef with Sekera, and Nurse with Davidson.

    Gryba’s last shift ended at the 17:23 mark, with Davidson. The best we can say here is that down a goal with two and a half minutes to go, TMac put his more offensive options on the ice.

    Fayne however took only two shifts in the final 10 minutes, last ending at about the 15 minute mark. However he wasn’t on for the two dumpster fire goals, so again, probably the coach lloking for offense.

  96. Pouzar says:

    Leon Draisaitl ‏@Drat_29 1h1 hour ago
    Congrats to the big boy @drtwofive on getting the first one outta the way !

  97. RexLibris says:

    G Money:
    Seasonal expectation:

    I thought the Oilers would finish the first 10 games at 4-6 (8 pts) best case. (And that was before the Eberle injury)They are 1 game below my expectation, and 2 games below .500.

    I expect in the second 10-game segment, they should go 4-6 or 4-5-1 (8 to 9 points) nominal case.

    EVERY 10 and 11 game segment after that, they should be going .500 or better.

    For me, that’s the team’s Mendoza line this year.

    Sounds entirely reasonable and more or less where I’d drawn the line also.

    This will not stand, sir.

    Ergo, YOU ARE WRONG THEY SHOULD WIN ALL THE GAMES TRADE HALL AND SIGN SUBBAN!

    Thank you, order has now been restored.

  98. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAint'sSo! says:

    blainer,

    The problem that Ferraro, McKenzie, Friedman (intelligent hockey minds) have pointed out repeatedly with the Oilers is that they don’t have an identity. We talk about the Lemaire style with the Devils, the Babcock style with Detroit or the TMac style with the Sharks, but the Oilers don’t have that. They still play as individuals at times and when that happens all hell breaks loose because as individuals you can’t win a team game.

    There is a great scene in 2nd Mighty Ducks Movie (sue me it was awesome as a child!), where coach Bombay ties the entire team together with a rope around the belly and tells them to skate. Naturally they all try and skate their own way and fall down. He uses it as a teaching moment to show them the value of teamwork, “If you all go your own way you all fall down. Now get up and try it again.”

    Until the team starts playing as a unit things won’t change. Still too much of an instinct to do it all themselves and while it doesn’t happen all games, the 5 – 10 minutes a game that are a raging tire fire costs points.

  99. dustrock says:

    Wonder if we’ll ever see Good Lander again.

    10 games, zero points.

  100. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAint'sSo! says:

    dustrock,

    And he has not looked good in 8/10. I agree that he is playing a role that doesn’t exactly suit his strengths (we’ll call it the Hurt-Eberle Effect) but he needs to make his own way in the show at some point. Here’s hoping he can get his skates under neither him for a game or two.

  101. G Money says:

    RexLibris,

    Thanks, I don’t know what got into me! I must have been distracted by Messier phoning me all the damn time.

  102. AsiaOil says:

    I like RNH’s 2 way play just fine – but the guy is making $6 million a year and people are excusing his inability to generate offense independently. Real top line players who make that much should not need someone else to crank their engine. By the end of the year he’s the #2 center on this team with his replacement earning his stripes int he AHL. Writing is on the wall boys and RNH’s days are numbered because his numbers do not justify his salary. FFS you can buy a 2 way guy with elite defense to play top lines to a draw with little offense for less than half of what RNH makes and use the rest to pay a defender.

    My evaluation is pretty much over and I think RNH is the guy who is moved for a top pair dman – with Drai coming in to play with Hall and Eberle. That’s called balance and using surplus to fix and deficientcy.

  103. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    dustrock,

    Looks like he’s playing with new Eager and new Petrell.

  104. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer:
    Put the Belander triangle on the fourth line with Hendricks and get a whole new third line.

    And unless you find a pp quarterback top 4 defensemansoon this season is done.So many dmen have no clue what to do

    You win the thread. Yes, the Belander triangle he is. Lol.

  105. Snowman says:

    AsiaOil,

    I don’t think surplus means what you think it means.

  106. fifthcartel says:

    I was looking at how much even strenght TOI certain defensemen get, and isn’t this a crazy number for Gryba?

    Klefbom – 16.91
    Reinhart (4 games) – 16.76
    Gryba – 16.71
    Davidson (3 games) – 16.03
    Sekera – 15.33
    Fayne – 15.11
    Schultz – 14.98
    Ference (3 games) – 13.94

    He’s basically been they’re number 2 guy and last year in Ottawa he was 8th with 12.78th, and around 6/7 if you don’t count Chris Phillips’ 36 games.

    I know the right side is thin and there’s limited options, but Gryba doesn’t have the skating or puck moving to handle those types of minutes.

    I can’t see a team winning if they’re playing Eric Gryba this much at even strength, right?

  107. spoiler says:

    AsiaOil:
    I like RNH’s 2 way play just fine – but the guy is making $6 million a year and people are excusing his inability to generate offense independently. Real top line players who make that much should not need someone else to crank their engine. By the end of the year he’s the #2 center on this team with his replacement earning his stripes int he AHL. Writing is on the wall boys and RNH’s days are numbered because his numbers do not justify his salary. FFS you can buy a 2 way guy with elite defense to play top lines to a draw with little offense for less than half of what RNH makes and use the rest to pay a defender.

    My evaluation is pretty much over and I think RNH is the guy who is moved for a top pair dman – with Drai coming in to play with Hall and Eberle. That’s called balance and using surplus to fix and deficientcy.

    Outside of who has possession of the puck, and we all know possession is nine-tenths of the slaw, nothing affects a player’s numbers more than who he is on the ice with. Doesn’t matter who the player is, they are all affected.

    It’s also why Semenko played on Gretz’s wing in reality a lot less than the myth suggests.

  108. dustrock says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    dustrock,

    Looks like he’s playing with new Eager and new Petrell.

    True. I’m sure his linemates and usage were better under Nelson and arguably the preseason, but that excuse only goes so far.

  109. Ryan says:

    dustrock:
    Wonder if we’ll ever see Good Lander again.

    10 games, zero points.

    Wow. I know. It’s like who would have ever seen this coming?

    I just can’t believe it. I mean fuck the guy centered Sweeden’s top line at the World Hockey Championships. His line outplayed Crosby for about six minutes before TMac shuffled Canada’s lines.

    Oh, wait a minute … how many arguments about this did I have this summer with Gmoney and Wheatnoil???

    Pauses while I blow smoke up my arse.

  110. edoil1 says:

    With due respect to all .We need to quit the Ground hog defense day and sacrifice a Hall or Eberle plus for 1/2 D ,to move this team forward on Connors time.How many times do we need shit thrown in our faces.It is not working.

  111. Ryan says:

    edoil1:
    With due respect to all .We need to quit the Ground hog defense day and sacrifice a Hall or Eberle plusfor 1/2 D ,to move this team forward on Connors time.How many times do we need shit thrown in our faces.It is not working.

    The salient question is what a Taylor Hall or Eberle will get you?

    It’s not OEL or Erik Karlsson.

    Nashville is about the only team drowning in dmen depth that I can think of.

  112. McSorley33 says:

    I thought Fayne was Minnesota’s best player in the first half of the game.

    I said sorry to Fayne yesterday. I take it back. He can’t skate. Like Gryba.

    They get the team in TONS of trouble from the most inocuous plays.

    You CANNOT overcome an inability to skate at the NHL level. Period.

    I defy Teddy Ruxpin to to take an outlet pass (there were a few) in his own end and clear the zone.

    Waiting for it Teddy…just once.

  113. SwedishPoster says:

    Soup Fascist:
    Who exactly was worried about losing Davidson on waivers, again?

    He had a good game. What exactly are you saying. His D partner though…

    Gryba with the giveaway for the GWGA for the second game in a row. Terrible.

  114. edoil1 says:

    Ryan,

    Then let’s do it if possible,a bigger mistake would be not trying.Lets be honest we have all seen enough.New good coach and the Defence is still a gong show.We need players.

  115. SwedishPoster says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAint’sSo!:
    As much as I would love to blame Gryba for that goal 100%, you need to watch the replay and tell me where his outlet passes are. This is the story so far this year, whenever they start running around the first thing that they abandon is coming back deep and providing an outlet. And every single line does it (McD’s line is the best of the worst but Yak still has a hard time taking a pass. Hall flies through but comes in too fast and doesn’t read the play properly. 3rd and 4th lines are shit.)

    If you don’t have an outlet deep in your end the passes are exponentially harder to hit. Combine that with 4/6 D being shitty puck movers and you have a recipe for disaster.

    On there other hand,

    Darnell Nurse is beautiful, Connor McDavid is beautiful and the Ducks have blown a 3 goal lead in less than 12 minutes…. Maybe there is hope…

    What? He has a simple pass to Davidson who’ll have an equally simple pass to Slepyshev. It’s a routine play that woud have gotten the Oil up the ice with speed. It’s a useless play by Gryba as simple as that.

  116. Ryan says:

    Hey guys, just spit balling a trade proposal here…

    Do you the Flyers would trade us that Sam Ganger guy for Purcell?

  117. SwedishPoster says:

    godot10:
    It was interesting to note that when TMc shortened his bench in the 3rd, he went to Klef with Sekera, and Nurse with Davidson.

    They were the four best D to my eye so it makes sense, he certainly isn’t letting guys play due to veteran status which is a good thing.

  118. smellyglove says:

    2014-15 Oilers under Eakins/MacT
    4-4-1 for 9 points

    2015 Oilers under TMac/Chiarelli
    3-6 for 6 points

  119. 719 says:

    With Paajarvi having early season success in the AHL, could we maybe trade a warm body for him?

    I would like to see if he and Lander can have some success. If not, then no biggie he can be waived, I don’t think he would cost alot.

  120. Halfwise says:

    Time, gents and ladies. Give it time.

    This team still makes no more sense than a box full of jigsaw pieces and at their worst they have me yelling and swearing at the TV. Fayne had a bad night, Gryba sent up a hospital pass that could have got Korpo killed, when he wasn’t giving the puck away, and Purcell looked much like he’s looked all season, and that’s not good. At least TfCAF wasn’t a liability on this occasion.

    But at their best they are actually, for the first season in forever, entertaining.

  121. Water Fire says:

    I couldn’t watch the whole game, but I was happy about Davidson, first because he has overcome and I pull for him, and second because he is already is pretty good. He has whats needed – speed, size, a head, and hits tape to tape. Give him a season and that is a nice 3 LD at he right price. Go Brandon!

    Again I was happy with that game. They outclassed the Wild for the part I could watch. Give it a year and they will spank teams that try to smother.

    Oh. I almost forgot to mention that Connor McDavid can, if he chooses, can walk around players in good defensive position, by using otherworldy skating, and go to the net with ill intent, after 10 games in the NHL.

    *falls over from the weight of unfair good fortune*

  122. Centre of attention says:

    Habs looking pretty beatable in Van right now. Dorsett just lit up price for the 5th goal of the night. Yes, Dorsett…

  123. McSorley33 says:

    fifthcartel,

    I said the same thing about Gryba’s ice time…..his classic no pressure slap shot around the boards to the Wild is his classic move. Ference grumbled in the press box, “that is my move!”

    Only in Edmonton.

  124. Centre of attention says:

    Water Fire,

    On the contrary, I don’t think Davidson has looked great so far. Fancy stats see him in a bad light, and by the eye test he was in some interesting positions on recent Oilers goals against. His passing is not “tape to tape” so much as its “tape-to-boards”

  125. Derek says:

    This place is being overrun by emotional posters. You guys spent most of the day discussing how this and the next 10 games of the season were the hardest possible opposition that Edmonton will face this season.

    Then there was that beauty quote from Washington about a team learning a system from a new coach under Trotz last season.

    The team is missing its top line winger and just lost a one goal game to one of the best possession teams in the league last year because of a boneheaded play by a third pairing defence men.

    I hated much of the game too but lets not turn this place into a sewer please.

  126. Derek says:

    Also, Darnell Nurse for PM.

  127. godot10 says:

    spoiler:

    Fayne however took only two shifts in the final 10 minutes, last ending at about the 15 minute mark.However he wasn’t on for the two dumpster fire goals, so again, probably the coach lloking for offense.

    Fayne was on for the first two goals against, and was the primary culprit on the 2nd.

  128. Johnny skid says:

    Derek,

    well said!

  129. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Come on, people, step back from the ledge. This is exactly as expected. First 25 games of the season, if the Oilers win 8-9 of them, that’s about right. The push will come in the final 40 games. Patience.

    Seriously, this was all too predictable after people were jumping up and down about a 3 game win streak over weak opponents. Predictable that Washington, LA and Min would all be losses.

    We knew going into the season the blue wasn’t good enough, and the PP needing work and the absence of Eberle killing the 1st line’s scoring shows that there still isn’t a lot of depth up front beyond the aces.

    There is still plenty of time to get to Bettman .500, which was always the goal for this year anyway. To expect anything more was setting yourself up for disappointment.

    Please reserve judgment on this team until game 40. I bet the Oilers go 9-16 in the first 25, 7-8 the next 15 to get to 16-24, then something like 25-17 over the final 42, with a few Bettman points sprinkled in to get to 85pts.

  130. godot10 says:

    AsiaOil:
    I

    My evaluation is pretty much over and I think RNH is the guy who is moved for a top pair dman – with Drai coming in to play with Hall and Eberle. That’s called balance and using surplus to fix and deficientcy.

    Draisaitl is a couple of seasons away from being a 2nd line centre on a playoff team. You are talking about wasting McDavid’s entry level contract if your strategy is waiting and betting on Leon.

    You are making a mountain out of a mole hill of a small sample size. Nugent-Hopkins has had a rotating cast of RW’ers…Slephyshev, Hendricks, Klinkhammer, Pakarinen, Korpikoski. He is really only short a couple of points from a reasonable pace. And that mostlly is TMc’s power play sucking.

    Nugent-Hopkins is cover for McDavid. One would be burying McDavid without Nugent-Hopkins.

    Yep…Just like Jeff Petry dragging around Smid and Ference and Marincin against 1st lines of the opposition exposes the warts in a very good player, Nugent-Hopkins dragging 4th line RW’ers around against the 1st lines of the opposition is going to expose the warts in a very good player.

    The only thing stupider than trading McDavid, would be to trade Nugent-Hopkins.

    And $6 million is NOT a high salary.

  131. blackadder says:

    Remember when MacT said he was comfortable with a top five that included Ference and Nikitin? Good times.

    Even with our 3-7 record, this is a better coached, better managed and more entertaining team than we’ve seen in quite awhile.

  132. ASkoreyko says:

    I know this feels like every other year, but honestly, the games that they are losing (other than Washington) did not feel like blowouts or games like previous years.

    They are close, I am not sure how close just yet, but close.

    Also, CMD is just a crazy talent. They said on the broadcast that he creates something almost every shift and the kid is still 18! I really don’t think anyone here has any real idea about just how good he is going to be. Even his ability to do those quick little ‘poke’ passes to push the puck in the right direction is just crazy.

  133. bendelson says:

    Halfwise: But at their best they are actually, for the first season in forever, entertaining.

    Agreed. For a game against the Wild, that game WAS entertaining.
    McDavid is electric. Nurse’s goal was great!

    Learning hard lessons in tough games against good teams…

  134. AsiaOil says:

    Yes $6 million a year is too high for a 2nd line 50 point center in capped salary game – and that is exactly what RNH will be by the end of the year. Overpaid for his job. People got so used to having nothing at center that they are happy to overpay RNH – but his game/salary does not work going forward unless Drai is a bust or he turns into Bergeron this season (unlikely). He’s good – would never say anything else – but there doesn’t appear to be another gear.

    godot10: Draisaitl is a couple of seasons away from being a 2nd line centre on a playoff team.You are talking about wasting McDavid’s entry level contract if your strategy is waiting and betting on Leon.

    You are making a mountain out of a mole hill of a small sample size.Nugent-Hopkins has had a rotating cast of RW’ers…Slephyshev, Hendricks, Klinkhammer, Pakarinen, Korpikoski.He is really only short a couple of points from a reasonable pace.And that mostlly is TMc’s power play sucking.

    Nugent-Hopkins is cover for McDavid.One would be burying McDavid without Nugent-Hopkins.

    Yep…Just like Jeff Petry dragging around Smid and Ference and Marincin against 1st lines of the opposition exposesthe warts in a very good player, Nugent-Hopkins dragging 4th line RW’ers around against the 1st lines of the opposition is going to expose the warts in a very good player.

    The only thing stupider than trading McDavid, would be to trade Nugent-Hopkins.

    And $6 million is NOT a high salary.

  135. Gerta Rauss says:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=4&id=857467

    TMac post game

    on Darnell
    “thought he played a good game… a solid contributor tonight”

    “we’ve been together(as a team) for 2 months…I can live with mistakes but not the same ones over and over again”

  136. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Oh, if McDavid stays healthy he is going to score more points than the Oilers (85). In fact, he is so far ahead of my expected pace already he may go for a century.

  137. Gret99zky says:

    G Money:
    Snowman,

    Yes, painful.

    If it helps, breathe deeply and remind yourself that Nikitin and Scrivens cap hit disappear next year, Ference will likely be bought out (removing most of his cap hit and freeing up the roster spot), and Gryba and Schultz’s contracts will be up.Lots of room for Chia to make moves.

    So, wait until next year?

    Never heard that one before.

  138. Ryan says:

    godot10: Draisaitl is a couple of seasons away from being a 2nd line centre on a playoff team.You are talking about wasting McDavid’s entry level contract if your strategy is waiting and betting on Leon.

    You are making a mountain out of a mole hill of a small sample size.Nugent-Hopkins has had a rotating cast of RW’ers…Slephyshev, Hendricks, Klinkhammer, Pakarinen, Korpikoski.He is really only short a couple of points from a reasonable pace.And that mostlly is TMc’s power play sucking.

    Nugent-Hopkins is cover for McDavid.One would be burying McDavid without Nugent-Hopkins.

    Yep…Just like Jeff Petry dragging around Smid and Ference and Marincin against 1st lines of the opposition exposesthe warts in a very good player, Nugent-Hopkins dragging 4th line RW’ers around against the 1st lines of the opposition is going to expose the warts in a very good player.

    The only thing stupider than trading McDavid, would be to trade Nugent-Hopkins.

    And $6 million is NOT a high salary.

    Could someone please tell me the precise time when you became the voice of reason here?

    I’m not even being sarcastic either. As soon as you got over ranting about Eakins, you’ve pretty much been on fire here.

    Not a word out if place!

    Edit–> your posts sort of remind me of Woodguy’s where I would think something then read it a few seconds later when I would get to his post saving me having to write it myself. 🙂

  139. spoiler says:

    godot10: Fayne was on for the first two goals against, and was the primary culprit on the 2nd.

    So…. you’re going to go with non-proximate events to justify your narrative. That’s about par for your course.

  140. spoiler says:

    Derek:
    This place is being overrun by emotional posters.You guys spent most of the day discussing how this and the next 10 games of the season were the hardest possible opposition that Edmonton will face this season.

    Then there was that beauty quote from Washington about a team learning a system from a new coach under Trotz last season.

    The team is missing its top line winger and just lost a one goal game to one of the best possession teams in the league last year because of a boneheaded play by a third pairing defence men.

    I hated much of the game too but lets not turn this place into a sewer please.

    The over-the-top posting has become “more insane than a barrel full of Charlie Mansons with rocket launchers.” lol.

    But yeah, sure can be tiresome in here after a loss. Everybody gets to ride their personal hobby horse into the sunset, chock full of internet courage and manners.

  141. Oiled Fan says:

    Long time lurker, first time poster, but I thought others might be interested. Just purely as a rough quantitative look to get a better feel for the schedule, I broke the Oilers schedule into eight 10 and 11 game segments, and took the average of the finish in the standings from last year of the teams they play. I also added in home games, and games against the East during those segments as numbers following the average. It was done quickly without a re-check, so there maybe be errors, but I produced the following results.

    Seg Avg H,E
    01-10 10.7 4,2
    11-20 14.6 6,4
    21-30 17.8 5,8
    31-41 13.0 5,3
    42-51 16.5 5,4
    52-61 13.9 6,5
    62-71 18.4 3,4
    72-82 12.5 7,0

  142. Kmart99 says:

    Defense is an adventure.
    As expected.
    .300 at the 10gm mark.
    As expected.

    Close to .300 at the 20gm mark.

    I believe this team will turn things around after 20gp.
    In the offensive zone they are dangerous. When you consider how little time they spend there, it’s amazing they are 16th in the league for GF.

    Once the defensive zone problems are improved upon, this team will be able to compete with anyone. Nurse will help. Klefbom and Sekera are having slow starts. No eberle doesn’t help the offense.

    Reinhart’s ability to force the dump in is missed.

    #1 priority is getting a dman that can actually shut down the other team’s top lines.

    Tonight Koivu’s line ran the show. No combination of players seemed to really have an answer for Koivu’s line, and it killed us.

    It’s like watching a little kid play piggie in the middle with two older kids. It’s funny and sad at the same time.

    I predicted 74pts on the season and I’m thinking it will be pretty damn close.
    That’s a solid improvement.

    The only way this team breaks 90 pts imo is if PChia makes a big move to get a true #1 dman who can shut down the best players in the world. Or if Nurse shows he is capable of doing that.

    Klefbom is close, but not quite able to do it consistantly. Especially when the players around him are missing their assignments.

    Anywho, the d zone tire fire is alive and well.

  143. Kmart99 says:

    Oiled Fan,

    First ten games are the toughest by a mile.

    Games 21-30 and 42-71 should be gravy. Oil could have easily been 4-6 to open this season.

    Next ten could potentially be 4-5-1 if things break right, but 4-6 is likely i’d say. Then after that we should start to see some good win streaks.

  144. Kmart99 says:

    G Money:
    Snowman,

    Well, the *best case* scenario was that TMc’s influence would take this pig’s ear of a defense and make it into a pig’s purse.(A silk purse is right out of the question)

    And let’s not forget that this was already a weak defense, and it’s missing two guys counted on to be regulars.(We’ll debate the specific value of Schultz another time)

    It’s not going to change until Reinhart and Nurse both hit 120 games and Chia Pete adds at least one more Top 4 defenseman, two more if Schultz exits stage left as he probably will.

    When a guy like Gryba is your de facto 7D struggling to make the lineup each night instead of your de facto 5D counted on to play 18 mins a night, then some progress will have been made.

    THIS.

    No matter what goes on with the forwards. Until there is a top pairing D Unit that can shutdown the best players in the league, this team will always have nights like they did tonight against the Koivu line.

    Nurse and Klefbom have to exceed their potential in a hurry, or PChia has to make a trade. Bottom line.

  145. Kmart99 says:

    Yakupov is like the Oilers’ Brett Lawrie. Lots of raw talent, but the results are inconsistent.

    Why not just trade him for J Donaldson? Boom! :)))

  146. stevezie says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAint’sSo!: As much as I would love to blame Gryba for that goal 100%, you need to watch the replay and tell me where his outlet passes are.

    Neither was there any pressure. No one was chasing him behind the net. No reason to do what he did.

    That said, what followed was some weak coverage. Still, abominable play. Abominable.

  147. hoser313 says:

    719,

    I think PRV is an NHL player but he is not ‘heavy on the puck’.

    Honestly I’d put higher odds on a team like the Leafs grabbing him.

  148. hoser313 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAint’sSo!,

    But they do have an identity.

    They are a “high-end offensive team”.

    …..except when they play real offensive teams like Dallas or Washington.

    Chia is changing the identity but it will take more time.

  149. hoser313 says:

    SwedishPoster: What? He has a simple pass to Davidson who’ll have an equally simple pass to Slepyshev. It’s a routine play that woud have gotten the Oil up the ice with speed. It’s a useless play by Gryba as simple as that.

    I think you’re both right. Oilers forwards do fly the zone rather quickly. They don’t give the 10 feet outlet passes like a team like Boston does.

  150. Oiled Fan says:

    Kmart99:
    Oiled Fan,

    First ten games are the toughest by a mile.

    Games 21-30 and 42-71 should be gravy.Oil could have easily been 4-6 to open this season.

    Next ten could potentially be 4-5-1 if things break right, but 4-6 is likely i’d say.Then after that we should start to see some good win streaks.

    I’d wager the Oilers had the toughest first 10 in the league by nearly a mile too, but I’m guessing there’s a 50/50 chance at least one other team is close or maybe worse if I looked further. Even so, odds are they were a much better team last year 🙂 3-7 actually seems reasonable to me as an expectation at this point, as much as it sucks.

    5-5 in the next segment is what I’m thinking is what they need to keep in the fight, though 4-6 is probably a reasonable expectation.

    21-30 is I think where they really need to make hay, that’s probably where they turn the corner to being a playoff team if it’s going to happen this year. I was thinking before the season, 82 points was about the reasonable expectation, and they seem to be following that script so far in spite of the 3-7 start.

  151. Kmart99 says:

    Games 21-30 are crucial. They are playing lower level teams, 5 home games, and 8 against the east as per Oiled Fan. Anythjng less than 13pts in that span should be considered a disappointment.

    The next ten games are tough still. Expect to see lots of Own Zone Time. If TMac isn’t able to fix this team’s inability against a strong cycle and rush, the next ten games could be just as painful as the first 10.

    Positives:

    Nurse.

    Connor can change the game at any moment, Dubnyk got lucky on that last minute break. Puck went under his skate and off the post.

    Hall is finding the range despite having a weak RW partner.

    Klefbom looked good for much of the game.

    Talbot kept the Oil in it….AGAIN

    Oilers are 16th in league scoring despite spending countless minutes in their own end.

    Nurse ‘may’ have arrived. We will know after the next few games. He looked really comfortable to me. I’d be happy with TMac giving him 19+ minutes a night right now. He can keep up with the best of ’em.

  152. Pouzar says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: There is still plenty of time to get to Bettman .500, which was always the goal for this year anyway. To expect anything more was setting yourself up for disappointment.

    Zactly.

    Enjoy McDavid. 10 pts in 10 games is a helluva feat.

  153. Pouzar says:

    Oh…and good luck sending down Nurse with a riot in EDM.

    The goal aside, that rush up the ice was breathtaking.
    He timed it perfectly too.

  154. Pouzar says:

    Kmart99:
    Yakupov is like the Oilers’ Brett Lawrie.Lots of raw talent, but the results are inconsistent.

    Why not just trade him for J Donaldson?Boom! :)))

    I still can’t believe any combo of Lawrie + got the Jays Josh Donaldson.
    WTF Billy Bean.

  155. Centre of attention says:

    “They are roaming around, feeling good in our end. They seem to have there head up with the puck a lot in our end and as a forward you love that” Hall is pretty much saying the Oilers need to lay the body and interrupt the cycle with picks&body checks more often.

    Other teams are getting away with 5-6 passes behind the Oilers net and its just recipe for trouble. Minny didn’t get shots on all those cycles but when they did it was clench-level 9000. Some Oiler needs to crash in there and just seal off the boards behind the net or something, they can’t be doing passing drills behind our net and into the slot…

    Besides that Klef-Nurse looked passable last night, some rookie mistakes but nothing unexpected.

    I’m sure we’ll be hearing from game-commentators how Nurse is an “impact player” and “changed the look of the Oilers blue line instantly” I won’t be surprised if Nurse is playing 20 minutes a night all situations consistently by Christmas. Sent down? He was one of the Oilers 4 best players on the ice, including forwards lol!

  156. Centre of attention says:

    Pouzar,

    97 could have 12 or 13 points if people weren’t Kunitzing on tap in two-on-ones.

  157. SwedishPoster says:

    hoser313: I think you’re both right.Oilers forwards do fly the zone rather quickly.They don’t give the 10 feet outlet passes like a team like Boston does.

    Yeah I agree on the majority of Sayitaintso’s post, the D are getting a lot of blame that the forwards deserve but there’s no excusing that pass nor his overall crappy game nor his giveaway against LA. Gryba had a pretty solid first few games but has fallen apart the last two. He needs to be better.

    Still the Centers need to own some of the defensive struggles as well. Once again two goals are directlyde to centers not having body position on their man and a third, Scandellas PP goal, where McDavid probably could have made his route to the net a bit more difficult. Though the main culprit is ofc Fayne.

  158. Pouzar says:

    Centre of attention: I won’t be surprised if Nurse is playing 20 minutes a night all situations consistently by Christmas.

    He had 19:20 in Ice Time and 1:12 on the PK so he’s not far off that now.
    He needs to be up here.

  159. Dicky94 says:

    Would a Teddy for Lecavalier trade make sense. He has been a healthy scratch since day one but so should Teddy. Vinny might need a change of scenery and might help Lander on the third line. Face offs too.

  160. Pouzar says:

    Lander was carrying around 2 lead bricks last night and he was the top possession forward not named McDavid. But I guess shitty linemates are only an excuse for the privileged.

  161. Pouzar says:

    Dicky94:
    Would a Teddy for Lecavaliertrade make sense. He has been a healthy scratch since day one but so should Teddy. Vinny might need a change of scenery and might help Lander on the third line. Face offs too.

    2 more years after this one at 4.5 mill.
    No thx

  162. godot10 says:

    Dicky94:
    Would a Teddy for Lecavaliertrade make sense. He has been a healthy scratch since day one but so should Teddy. Vinny might need a change of scenery and might help Lander on the third line. Face offs too.

    Trading a one-year boat anchor for a three-year boat anchor. The good thing about Purcell is that he is off the books after this season. Lecavalier is a more expensive Ference, with two more years after this year.

  163. Pouzar says:

    ‘Btw, RNH is totally over-rated. Basically useless, maybe third line center.”

    Hrudey is Verd@d.

  164. Dicky94 says:

    godot10,

    Pouzar,

    What if Philly retained a year?

  165. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Pouzar:
    Lander was carrying around 2 lead bricks last night and he was the top possession forward not named McDavid. But I guess shitty linemates are only an excuse for the privileged.

    Lander has an MO at this point.

    He is an ideal complimentary player. Put players on the ice who can “carry water” (sorry Godot) in the offensive zone and let him be the crash/bang/backcheck player on that line and he will do fine. Oh, and give him some PP minutes (which are always limited, so not scoring as an individual on a power play 10 games into the season reeks of sample size).

    This type of player is appealing as they can be part of a winning combination, ideally without costing too much money. Imagine, a center on an effective scoring line who doesn’t cost $6million!

    When he is tasked with being the best offensive player on his line he struggles. Probably always will.

  166. Sugar Reijo says:

    Centre of attention:
    Pouzar,

    97 could have 12 or 13 points if people weren’t Kunitzing on tap in two-on-ones.

    Has reminded me at times of Doug Weight’s first year playing with the slugs, Steven Rice and Scott Pearson.

    Weight could have easily had a hundred points that year.

  167. frjohnk says:

    AsiaOil: Yes $6 million a year is too high for a 2nd line 50 point center in capped salary game – and that is exactly what RNH will be by the end of the year.

    Hi Kelly!

  168. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    AsiaOil,

    Ryan O’Reilly, Paul Stastny, Mikko Koivu, Travis Zajac, and Ryan Kessler disagree.

  169. Kmart99 says:

    30 MIN a night for Darnell? Is that an answer to the defensive zone problems? How long until he is ready for that?

  170. Pouzar says:

    Kmart99: 30

    Who said 30 min a night?

  171. Kmart99 says:

    Me lol. Kidding. Well… Half serious. Well… I don’t know.

  172. Pouzar says:

    Kmart99:
    Me lol.Kidding.Well… Half serious.Well… I don’t know.

    Oh…..ha ha.

  173. Really? says:

    With all the moaning and groaning about the tough start for the Oilers something really remarkable has gone almost unnoticed.

    Connor McDavid has very quietly put up a point a game start to the season. For a rookie 18 year old with a massive target on his back on a lousy team, this is incredible. I sometimes think that we miss some really great moments because we are so caught up in the overall ineptitude of the Oilers franchise over the past decade.

    What is also incredible is that he is taking Yakupov on this dream trip with him.

    Please everyone, smell these roses.

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