SLEPYSHEV TO BAKERSFIELD, MILLER TO THE SHOW

One of the ongoing issues facing the Edmonton Oilers is the center position. As you’ll recall, the 2014-15 season saw the train leave the station with two centers and mud, and with the Connor McDavid injury the issue of center depth returns. Todd McLellan can run Nuge, Leon, Mark Letestu and Anton Lander, or he can keep Leon on the top line and run Matt Hendricks in the middle. Are there other options? The Oilers may see Andrew Miller as a possible option, he was recalled this afternoon.

BAKERSFIELD

Andrew Miller played center in college, and in training camp this fall—most of his pro career has been at RW for Edmonton since he signed. Miller was recalled earlier this year (for one game) and is having a good start to his AHL season (8GP, 2-4-6) while playing center in Bakersfield.

The other men who played up the middle this weekend in Bakersfield (Bogdan Yakimov and Jujhar Khaira) are interesting prospects but haven’t shown the kind of offensive potential Edmonton would be looking to place on a skill line. Is this a possible lineup for Friday night?

  • Hall—Nuge—Draisaitl
  • Pouliot—Miller—Yakupov
  • Pakarinen—Lander—Eberle
  • Hendricks—Letestu—Purcell

Eberle is just coming back into the lineup, so bringing him along in a lesser role may make sense. Todd McLellan could also use him liberally on the power play. Or is this a better plan?

 

  • Hall—Nuge—Eberle
  • Pouliot—Draisaitl—Yakupov
  • Hendricks—Letestu—Purcell
  • Pakarinen—Lander—Miller

Thoughts? Miller could also play on the top line Friday night if Eberle isn’t ready to go. Miller did play 87 minutes at 5×5 with Taylor Hall last season, recording three points. Todd McLellan and Peter Chiarelli may have factored that number into today’s decision.

SLEPSYHEV

Anton Slepyshev has been impressive (10GP, 0-1-1) in many areas this season, but the pucks aren’t going in and he was losing playing time to Iiro Pakarinen and others. I don’t think he’s going to be in the AHL long—Peter Chiarelli is likely to unload Teddy Purcell at some point this winter—but getting lots of playing time in the AHL is the right play. Peter Chiarelli telegraphed the demotion in a recent conversation with Terry Jones of the Edmonton Sun.

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87 Responses to "SLEPYSHEV TO BAKERSFIELD, MILLER TO THE SHOW"

  1. T0ML says:

    Question, wasnt there a rumor or some such about a Europe out-clause instead of the AHL for Sleppy?

  2. leadfarmer says:

    Thank goodness. This is not how you develop players. Let him develop in the Ahl this year.

  3. Centre of attention says:

    T0ML,

    I think that was nullified if he made the team out of camp. So, he “made the team” for 10 games. Now its “time for some seasoning young man”. English lessons wouldn’t hurt either.

    He better knock Ford off that top line or I’m going to have to strangle something…

  4. sliderule says:

    Slepy played ok but he needs to gain confidence in AHL .

    The oilers problem is still goaltending.

    Goaltending is about position and movement.When I hear that a goalie made some great saves I laugh.Goalies can’t move on most of the shots the puck just hits them.

    With pucks coming at them at 100 ft per second and faster and top reaction times of 1/3 of a second they just don’t move .There is no time.

    The result is that you have to ignore the so called great saves and also the bad goals and rely on save percentage.

    The oiler save percentage was bad last year and continues to be bad this year.

    When the oilers goalies turn the save percentage above .915 I will say the tending is good.

  5. Chachi says:

    I hope those who called him “slepslappy” are happy now with the doom they have wrought upon the poor young man! Doom!

  6. Johnny skid says:

    sliderule:
    Slepy played ok but he needs to gain confidence in AHL .

    The oilers problem is still goaltending.

    Goaltending is about position and movement.When I hear that a goalie made some great saves I laugh.Goalies can’t move onmost of the shots the puck just hits them.

    With pucks coming at them at 100 ft per second and faster and top reaction times of 1/3 of a second they just don’t move .There is no time.

    The result is that you have to ignore the so called great saves andalso the bad goals and rely on save percentage.

    The oiler save percentage was bad last year and continues to be bad this year.

    When the oilers goalies turn the save percentage above .915 I will say the tending is good.

    save percentage will improve when the defence improves. goaltenders are just fine.

  7. kinger_OIL says:

    Deja Vu, from awhile ago:

    – Miller = Arco awhile ago

    – Drai = Lander awhile ago

    – Lander = Lander from awhile ago

    – Same first line from awhile ago

    – 3/th4 line = whatever from awhile ago

    – G tandemn = no confidence after a dozen games from awhile ago

    – D = combo of hope, talent, guys playing above their pay-grade from awhile ago

    – No reason to think this is more than a 70 point team: I’m feeling the same from awhile ago

  8. lynn says:

    Chachi:
    I hope those who called him “slepslappy” are happy now with the doom they have wrought upon the poor young man!Doom!

    Slepslappy? Awful nickname. Anton Slepyshev is fine.

  9. hoser313 says:

    kinger_OIL,

    Also McDavid injury = RNH injury.

  10. hoser313 says:

    leadfarmer,

    Hopefully the kid can see that too.

  11. Bootstrap Effexor says:

    kinger_OIL: – Drai = Lander awhile ago

    The fifties called. They want to know how you passed Drai through the eye of the needle without shucking his sideburns.

    No, not the 1950s. The fifties, i.e. 50–60 A.D.

  12. fuzzy muppet says:

    Chachi:
    I hope those who called him “slepslappy” are happy now with the doom they have wrought upon the poor young man!Doom!

    Gotta admit this made me chuckle

  13. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers rookie sensation Connor McDavid apparently avoided damage to the tissue surrounding his broken left clavicle suffered Tuesday in a collision involving two Philadelphia Flyers defensemen, according to Darren Dreger.

    Dreger said he was told that McDavid’s labrum was fully intact as surgeons repaired a “clean” break of the collarbone, and hypothesized that the best-case scenario for his return is seven-to-eight weeks.

    http://www.thescore.com/news/872996

  14. Lowetide says:

    lynn: Slepslappy? Awful nickname. Anton Slepyshev is fine.

    I believe SlepSlappy was a nickname I came up with, so arrows should be pointed at me.

  15. Wonder Llama says:

    kinger_OIL,

    I find your lack of faith disturbing.

    Wanna tell us how McLellan = Eakins from awhile ago?

  16. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Edmonton Oilers rookie sensation Connor McDavid apparently avoided damage to the tissue surrounding his broken left clavicle suffered Tuesday in a collision involving two Philadelphia Flyers defensemen, according to Darren Dreger.

    Dreger said he was told that McDavid’s labrum was fully intact as surgeons repaired a “clean” break of the collarbone, and hypothesized that the best-case scenario for his return is seven-to-eight weeks.

    http://www.thescore.com/news/872996

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

  17. kinger_OIL says:

    Bootstrap Effexor: The fifties called.They want to know how you passed Drai through the eye of the needle without shucking his sideburns.

    No, not the 1950s.The fifties, i.e. 50–60 A.D.

    Huh?

    – I hope Drai is better, but last year he was over his head, like Lander was a few years ago

    – They are now going to ask too much from Drai, and I remember that from so many times from awhile ago.

    – Plus ca change…

  18. Chachi says:

    Lowetide,

    I thought it was a wonderful nickname. Sounds like a long lost hockey playing member of the Three Stooges.

  19. Dicky94 says:

    Lowetide,

    Good news! That puts him somewhere around Christmas time possibly early January. So yes he will still win the Calder.

  20. Zelepukin says:

    I really hope they don’t drop Drai down to 2C. I know it’s inevitable but lets see if we can find any 2nd line combo that can still be an offensive threat.

    Perhaps someone can shed some light on it but by eye it seemed like the last couple games McD was getting a good amount of time matched against 1-2D. Now Hallsy is going to be getting a guaranteed matchup against 1-2D and production might slow, thus moving Ebs back up.

  21. kinger_OIL says:

    Wonder Llama,

    Yeah – they will be better: a 70 point team, assuming McD misses 30 games. Looking at the roster that LT has cobbled together, and it’s a realistic one, we are exposed: too much from awhile ago.

    – D with half under the age of 23 don’t do well, unless there are supported by strong anchor vets

    – At least Goalers have gone from brutal to merely quite mediocre

    – Losing McD, Yak is going to get lost: he’s shown he needs to play with good players

    – Yes our coach is an upgrade, but unless coaches are really bad (like Dallas), coaches aren`t all that: how`s Babcock coaching helping the Leafs

    – Sidenote: Its`strange to be at the age where a high school friend of mine is now a cabinet minster!

  22. SoCaloil says:

    Adding size to the top line and pushing Ebs down is the right call

    Another option

    Pou-Nuge-Ebs
    Hall-Drai-yak
    Hendricks-lettestu-Purcell
    Ahl^2+Lander. – 3 min max

    This could work. Line 1 had some Chem last year
    Hall and drai had Chem. yak plus drai had chem. maybe
    3rd line looked good yesterday
    And you send the 4 th for some energy and a little bump and grind

  23. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Lowetide:
    Edmonton Oilers rookie sensation Connor McDavid apparently avoided damage to the tissue surrounding his broken left clavicle suffered Tuesday in a collision involving two Philadelphia Flyers defensemen, according to Darren Dreger.

    Dreger said he was told that McDavid’s labrum was fully intact as surgeons repaired a “clean” break of the collarbone, and hypothesized that the best-case scenario for his return is seven-to-eight weeks.

    http://www.thescore.com/news/872996

    Generational healer

  24. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    kinger_OIL,

    I’d take the over on 70 if you’re selling. I will even give you 74. I am clearly going to lose my Schultz bet to Pouzar since his injury so I need to make up for it.

  25. Clay says:

    Lowetide:
    Edmonton Oilers rookie sensation Connor McDavid apparently avoided damage to the tissue surrounding his broken left clavicle suffered Tuesday in a collision involving two Philadelphia Flyers defensemen, according to Darren Dreger.

    Dreger said he was told that McDavid’s labrum was fully intact as surgeons repaired a “clean” break of the collarbone, and hypothesized that the best-case scenario for his return is seven-to-eight weeks.

    http://www.thescore.com/news/872996

    He even breaks his collarbone exceptionally well.

  26. JDï™ says:

    Lowetide: “clean” break of the collarbone

    That’s the best worst news I’ve seen in some time.

    A friend of mine who was scouted by the Bruins and was on their list when he played NCAA hockey in the 80s, had everything come to an end with a very badly broken collar bone (~ 1982). It broke in three places, IIRC, and gives him problems to this day.

  27. Clay says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Generational healer

    Dammit. You said it better.

  28. Wonder Llama says:

    kinger_OIL,

    Not sure what to say about Babcock and the Leafs but I do believe McLellan is bringing some badly needed structure, confidence, and accountability to the Oilers. I think we’re just beginning to see the effects of this.

    Yakupov is unlikely to be as effective without McDavid (who would be?) but I have guarded optimism he’s turned some kind of corner.

    The D is hard to suss out. If Nurse really is ready (I believe so) and Schultz continues his modest improvement and Reinhart shows us something and Ference stays out and… and… so many variables.

    And remember there’s another difference from awhile ago: management. While I’m not completely enamored of every move Chia has made thus far, I have a lot more faith that if a trade is made this season it will actually improve the team.

    The abyss beckons. I understand – I feel it, too. But for now I shall resist.

  29. oilswell says:

    Chachi:
    I hope those who called him “slepslappy” are happy now with the doom they have wrought upon the poor young man!Doom!

    This.

    Why don’t people realize that the nicknames bestowed upon athletes can have myriad real world consequences?

    Jason Smith retired just in time, that was close.

  30. JDï™ says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Generational healer

    This will give him 8 weeks to work on his lower body strength!

  31. Pouzar says:

    F^ck you Jets.

  32. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    I’ve mentioned this several times, but I see this team going as follows:
    First 25 games: 9w 16L
    Next 25 games: 12w 13L
    Final 32 games: 19w 13L
    Of those losses give me a Bettman point on 5.
    40-37-5

    That was with McDavid.
    McDavid will still be around for the last 32 game stretch and should have a few games under his belt by then.

    Do you think that’s unrealistic?
    At 5-8, Oilers need to go 4-8 over the next 12 or 16-21 over the next 37 games to keep up this pace.

    Even without McDavid I think it’s not unreasonable to expect the team to be 21w29L at the 50 game mark. That’s only .420 hockey.

  33. Lowetide says:

    Pouzar:
    F^ck you Jets.

    That was a tough loss for TOR.

  34. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: That was a tough loss for TOR.

    Yup. Looked vaguely familiar.

    Leafs 7th in CF% going into tonight.

  35. G Money says:

    oilswell: This.
    Why don’t people realize that the nicknames bestowed upon athletes can have myriad real world consequences?
    Jason Smith retired just in time, that was close.

    Thank Gord he wasn’t traded to Florida. Could have, oops sorry, “could of” been messy.

    So I guess we can say that when hockey players give unimaginative and predictable nicknames like “Hallsy”, they’re simply following a safety protocol.

  36. G Money says:

    I for one still like “Slappy” as a preferred nickname for Slepyshev, but given what we know of recent domestic issues for a certain Russian player, I fear that we may have sealed his fate.

  37. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    G Money: the

    Deffo. We’ve learned from the past where it was dangerous just to be around Eagles and Tigers and Cyclones and Rockets and Bombers and Gators and Grim Reapers (RIP) just to name a few.

  38. Lewis Grant says:

    – Losing McD, Yak is going to get lost: he’s shown he needs to play with good players

    I think this is likely the biggest implication of the McDavid injury. By the time the trade deadline hits, Yakupov has ~30 points instead of ~60 points. That’s a huge difference on the trade market. At 60 points, Yak+ gets us a very good defenseman. At 30 points, Yak+ gets us someone else’s castoff.

    And our most desperate need is for a very good defenseman.

    As Jeff Z. Klein and Karl-Eric Reif – the original statheads in the 1980s (look it up!!) – showed us, teams don’t get better when they start scoring more goals. They get better when they start preventing goals.

  39. JDï™ says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: That’s only .420 hockey.

    Duuuuuuuuuuuuude! Roight awun mahun!

  40. Centre of attention says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:

    That’s only .420 hockey.

    Woah, man.

    Eberle needs to cut down on the .420 hockey, he looks way to baked all the time as it is.

    Your a bad influence on this team, NY! LOL

  41. Centre of attention says:

    JDï™: Duuuuuuuuuuuuude! Roight awun mahun!

    *fist bump*

  42. delooper says:

    I doubt Yakupov gets traded, regardless of his play with/without McDavid. Other GMs won’t care about short-term performance. If they’re trading a solid defender they’re not going to bite on anything that looks remotely like a pump-and-dump, even if it is with a 1st overall.

  43. Centre of attention says:

    delooper,

    Yak has great pedigree, its more like a pump and prove he’s got the stuff.

    Other teams have skilled players Yak can excel with.

  44. Lowetide says:

    Good grief, are we trading Yak NOW?

  45. G Money says:

    Lewis Grant,

    1 – Yak played (and scored) pretty well with Derek Roy as his C. I used Cult of Hockey numbers to assess my view of “seen him good”, and CoH concurs – Yak was the second best player on the ice for the Oilers the last 20 games of the season, neck and neck with RNH.

    2 – IMO, I think Yak’s resurgence has as much or more to do with coaching than with his C. Yak was scared to play anything but a vanilla third-line-plugger’s game under Eakins, and it showed. Loss of confidence is a horrible thing to have happen to someone whose offensive and creative instincts work at an elite level (which Yak’s Jr results clearly show to be the case).

    You have to let those players play and discover what works and what doesn’t at the NHL level. To bench them when they make a mistake (given that those mistakes are fundamental and critically important to the development process) is the worst possible thing you can do. IMO we lost two years of development in Yak’s game, and this is a crime that the Oilers and Eakins and MacT can never repay the young man, or the game of hockey.

    3 – Yak actually played fairly sturdy hockey with Drai as his C last year. They had pretty good possession numbers but poor puck luck (I say by both eye and by stat).

    This has certain implications from my perspective:

    If TMc wants to keep Hall/RNH/Drai together, then likely we see Poo/Lander/Yak or maybe Poo/Miller/Yak as LT thinks, with Ebs getting eased back into the game on the third line.

    But if that second line struggles to score, I think the logical think is to move Ebs back with RNH/Hall, a combo we know also can work really well, and try Dry Yak Poo again.

    Having both Drai and Yak playing confident games can make all the difference in the world.

  46. Chachi says:

    I think the plan will be to bump Lander up to the second line, bump letestu up to the third and have Miller draw in on rhe 4th. Huge opportunity for Lander over the next couple of games and if he can work with Yak Pou things will be alright. Hopefully he makes it work.

  47. flyfish1168 says:

    G Money:
    Lewis Grant,

    1 – Yak played (and scored) pretty well with Derek Roy as his C.I used Cult of Hockey numbers to assess my view of “seen him good”, and CoH concurs – Yak was the second best player on the ice for the Oilers the last 20 games of the season, neck and neck with RNH.

    2 – IMO, I think Yak’s resurgence has as much or more to do with coaching than with his C.Yak was scared to play anything but a vanilla third-line-plugger’s game under Eakins, and it showed.Loss of confidence is a horrible thing to have happen to someone whose offensive and creative instincts work at an elite level (which Yak’s Jr results clearly show to be the case).

    You have to let those players play and discover what works and what doesn’t at the NHL level.To bench them when they make a mistake (given that those mistakes are fundamental and critically important to the development process) is the worst possible thing you can do.IMO we lost two years of development in Yak’s game, and this is a crime that the Oilers and Eakins and MacT can never repay the young man, or the game of hockey.

    3 – Yak actually played fairly sturdy hockey with Drai as his C last year.They had pretty good possession numbers but poor puck luck (I say by both eye and by stat).

    This has certain implications from my perspective:

    If TMc wants to keep Hall/RNH/Drai together, then likely we see Poo/Lander/Yak or maybe Poo/Miller/Yak as LT thinks, with Ebs getting eased back into the game on the third line.

    But if that second line struggles to score, I think the logical think is to move Ebs back with RNH/Hall, a combo we know also can work really well, and try Dry Yak Poo again.

    Having both Drai and Yak playing confident games can make all the difference in the world.

    G Money eloquently written and put. I like how TMac has been patient with Yak. But I have to admit I want to see more from him. He still seems to have positional issues on occasions at both ends of the ice. More video and he needs to keep his skates moving. JMHO

  48. flyfish1168 says:

    wow Blues comes back from a 5-2 deficient to beat the hawks in the United center

  49. Johnny skid says:

    G Money:
    Lewis Grant,

    1 – Yak played (and scored) pretty well with Derek Roy as his C.I used Cult of Hockey numbers to assess my view of “seen him good”, and CoH concurs – Yak was the second best player on the ice for the Oilers the last 20 games of the season, neck and neck with RNH.

    2 – IMO, I think Yak’s resurgence has as much or more to do with coaching than with his C.Yak was scared to play anything but a vanilla third-line-plugger’s game under Eakins, and it showed.Loss of confidence is a horrible thing to have happen to someone whose offensive and creative instincts work at an elite level (which Yak’s Jr results clearly show to be the case).

    You have to let those players play and discover what works and what doesn’t at the NHL level.To bench them when they make a mistake (given that those mistakes are fundamental and critically important to the development process) is the worst possible thing you can do.IMO we lost two years of development in Yak’s game, and this is a crime that the Oilers and Eakins and MacT can never repay the young man, or the game of hockey.

    3 – Yak actually played fairly sturdy hockey with Drai as his C last year.They had pretty good possession numbers but poor puck luck (I say by both eye and by stat).

    This has certain implications from my perspective:

    If TMc wants to keep Hall/RNH/Drai together, then likely we see Poo/Lander/Yak or maybe Poo/Miller/Yak as LT thinks, with Ebs getting eased back into the game on the third line.

    But if that second line struggles to score, I think the logical think is to move Ebs back with RNH/Hall, a combo we know also can work really well, and try Dry Yak Poo again.

    Having both Drai and Yak playing confident games can make all the difference in the world.

    i could not agree more. posts like this is what makes this site the best.

  50. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide:
    Good grief, are we trading Yak NOW?

    Just a few days ago it was RNH who we were trading,
    a week earlier it was Hall,
    and before that Eberle.

    Today its Yak’s turn
    tomorrow Draisaitl

  51. Centre of attention says:

    frjohnk,

    In my defense I was merely stating that Yak isn’t just a bum to other teams. 😛 Doesn’t mean I would trade him. I love the sound of a ~50-60 point producing $2.5 million dollar winger.

    In the perfect world he plays out this year, and next year at the deadline if hes not resigned to a team-friendly contract hes traded IMO.

    I think Eberle signs a long-term team-friendly contract.

    This is all pie-in-the-skying but I have a hunch Eberle wants to be an Oiler.

  52. frjohnk says:

    Centre of attention:
    frjohnk,

    In my defense I was merely stating that Yak isn’t just a bum to other teams. Doesn’t mean I would trade him. I love the sound of a ~50-60 point producing $2.5 million dollar winger.

    In the perfect world he plays out this year, and next year at the deadline if hes not resigned to a team-friendly contract hes traded IMO.

    I think Eberle signs a long-term team-friendly contract.

    This is all pie-in-the-skying but I have a hunch Eberle wants to be an Oiler.

    Not a shot directly at you. Maybe indirectly :)

    But it seems like every 10 days or so we go through the roster and everybody but McDavid gets traded.

    I think it has to stop.

    But I do realize that we are lacking on the backend and understand people are just thinking of ways to plug some of the holes.

    And we do seem to have a wealth of talent upfront.

    Hmmm. I wonder……. would Yak and Fayne get us Carlson? Do we need to add?

  53. Bulging Twine says:

    Hey Paajarvi played tonight

  54. Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker) says:

    frjohnk,

    We already did draisaitl.

  55. stush18 says:

    frjohnk: Not a shot directly at you.Maybe indirectly

    But it seems like every 10 days or so we go through the roster and everybody but McDavid gets traded.

    I think it has to stop.

    But I do realize that we are lacking on the backend and understand people are just thinking of ways to plug some of the holes.

    And we do seem to have a wealth of talent upfront.

    Hmmm.I wonder……. would Yak and Fayne get us Carlson? Do we need to add?

    Can’t see trotz getting rid of a dman for yak, especially for a playoff team.

    I could see maybe a fayne for picks deal. But Washington is tight on the cap. They need another dman tho. They have a mishmash of players on the bottom pairing.

  56. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Edmonton Oilers rookie sensation Connor McDavid apparently avoided damage to the tissue surrounding his broken left clavicle suffered Tuesday in a collision involving two Philadelphia Flyers defensemen, according to Darren Dreger.

    Dreger said he was told that McDavid’s labrum was fully intact as surgeons repaired a “clean” break of the collarbone, and hypothesized that the best-case scenario for his return is seven-to-eight weeks.

    http://www.thescore.com/news/872996

    I have ordered a complete set of “Sweating to the Oldies” from K-Tel records.

    We will see which arrives first, Connor McDavid to the Oilers’ roster or Richard Simmons to my front doooo-OHMYGOD! What have I done?

  57. Centre of attention says:

    For the record I’m not the guy whos always calling for player X to be traded. I have an Eberle #14 Jersey so my future RW roster projections are obviously biased. These stupid theoretical trade situations will not happen right away either.

    The people who wanted to trade Nuge were crazy.

    Trade Hall? Never.

    Trade Drai? Are you freaking crazy?!?! Imagine if we didn’t have him right now while McDavid is out!!

  58. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Good grief, are we trading Yak NOW?

    Well, we’ve already moved Hall, Eberle, and Nugent-Hopkins, so based on seniority it would seem to be his turn.

    Next week we fire McLellan, the following week Chiarelli.

  59. delooper says:

    I’d be comfortable trading Hall and Nugent-Hopkins away when they’re so old and fragile they need a walker to make it to the rink. That’s about 30-40 years from now, at worst I imagine.

    Eberle, prick has a house in Calgary. I dunno about him.

  60. Centre of attention says:

    Crosby scores. Holy crap was that due. Never has a goal been more due then that one.

  61. Mr. D. says:

    JDï™,

    I think medicine has evolved since 82. I have heard it was broken cleanly but possibly in more than 1 place thus the need for screws/plates and reinforcing and that even the doctors are not giving a rehab time.

  62. stush18 says:

    The only way I see us getting a different dman through trade is to

    1- give up a talented player upfront. That was the point if drafting these high scoring forwards. We need to become unattached and evaluate them as numbers and not people.

    2- collect draft picks and move them for developing dmen that teams are losing interest in. We’ve seen this lots, and gms get trucked into the flavor of the month. Like Reinhart, we likely pay a premium, however I think it is worth it.

    3- we make a hockey trade, such as fayne for a bottom pairing puck mover. Probably warts for warts.

    Of these, I think option three is most likely to occur during the season, and one of the first two opting will happen at the draft, depending where we are picking.

    Perhaps fayne for orlov, etc

    Don’t wanna get into trade proposals about our forwards, because every player but nuge and McDavid are tradeable and can have a case made about them.

  63. Centre of attention says:

    The big D man trade is less likely to happen then most people think.

    The way Chiarelli is talking gives me the feeling an addition would be more of a complementary player who can help the youngin’s be really effective and grow into that #1 and #2 studs we need them to be.

    Were not getting Weber. Were not getting Jones. Were not getting anybody like that.

    If we get anything at all, it won’t be that all-stud stud we all want.

  64. delooper says:

    stush18,

    I would take a McDavid for Crosby + Ovechkin + Toews + Doughty + Malkin + Weber at 1/4 salary, any day.

  65. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention:
    The big D man trade is less likely to happen then most people think.

    The way Chiarelli is talking gives me the feeling an addition would be more of a complementary player who can help the youngin’s be really effective and grow into that #1 and #2 studs we need them to be.

    Were not getting Weber. Were not getting Jones. Were not getting anybody like that.

    If we get anything at all, it won’t be huge.

    I agree with this, to a point. I think Jared Spurgeon is substantial and would be a terrific target. That may not be a ‘big name’ but it’s an effective one.

  66. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: I agree with this, to a point. I think Jared Spurgeon is substantial and would be a terrific target. That may not be a ‘big name’ but it’s an effective one.

    Exactly. A complementary player may end up being a *huge* move because it will help ease the pressure on the Oscar Klefboms of the world.

    Less is more in a trade nowadays, especially if that means you get to keep your star-studded talent together.

    One astute, measured move could have a very positive effect on this team. Doesn’t mean were going LOLOLHALLFORWEBERLOLOL

  67. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    Good grief, are we trading Yak NOW?

    I believe Gagne makes him expendable. Sell high. That’s what I hear anyway.

    (I was on board with that whole theory btw)

  68. Магия 10 says:

    As noted earlier blue chips don’t move on short term results. By the time Yak has blue chip trade value he’ll probably be TMac’s model of flooding the net with pucks and bodies.

  69. Магия 10 says:

    jp: I believe Gagne makes him expendable. Sell high. That’s what I hear anyway.

    (I was on board with that whole theory btw)

    It’s spelled Ganger.

  70. JDï™ says:

    Mr. D.: I think medicine has evolved since 82.

    Pfft… that’s exactly what they WANT YOU TO THINK!

    😉

  71. delooper says:

    Medicine has evolved but it’s all about lasers and beep beep beep music. Blip blorp. Nobody needs that stuff.

  72. JDï™ says:

    delooper:
    stush18,

    I would take a McDavid for Crosby + Ovechkin + Toews + Doughty + Malkin + Weber at 1/4 salary, any day.

    As long as McDavid pays back his signing bonus…

  73. Walter Sobchak says:

    I’m not sure anyone’s mentioned this yet but it would it not make sense given Eberles return Friday vs Pitt. To run.

    Poo-RNH -Eberle

    With an easy minutes line of

    Hall – Drai – Yakupov

    Keeping Hall and Drai together seems like the smart play given the chemistry they’ve shown together.

  74. JDï™ says:

    Walter Sobchak: Keeping Hall and Drai together seems like the smart play given the chemistry they’ve shown together.

    Walt and Jessie showed some great chemistry together, but that didn’t end up being the smart play.

  75. delooper says:

    JDï™,

    Probably you’d want to ask for a few promising rookies, too. Asking for only a handful (or two) of established league-leading vets is underselling McD by a bit.

  76. Zelepukin says:

    Walter Sobchak:
    I’m not sure anyone’s mentioned this yet but it would it not make sense given Eberles return Friday vs Pitt. To run.

    Poo-RNH -Eberle

    With an easy minutes line of

    Hall – Drai – Yakupov

    Keeping Hall and Drai together seems like the smart play given the chemistry they’ve shown together.

    What? I don’t think that’s how it works. For starters, the league’s 4th highest scorer is not getting easy minutes against anyone.
    Secondly, chemistry between wingers is no where near as important as it is between the C and wingers. The interaction between Drai and Hall as both wingers is going to be drastically different when Drai is asked to do Nuge’s C job with Hall.

  77. ruotsalainen says:

    Jared Spurgeon is the ideal target and would be a fantastic get. I probably rate him higher than some of the others here, but he just does so many things really well, and has the fancy stats to back them up.

    Not the largest of players, but he plays a lot bigger and “heavier” than he is.

    Is a good possession player, can take and make a pass, and is in the right age group.

    My two cents.

  78. Kmart99 says:

    Walter Sobchak,

    I like it.

    Poo-RNH-Ebs was so strong last season.

    Hall has looked great with Drai. He has looked great with Yak in the past as well. This would be a great opportunity to see if Drai is ready to fill in as a 2C.

  79. jp says:

    Магия 10: It’s spelled Ganger.

    lol

  80. blainer says:

    Yak has just about always been the most talked about in a trade.. 99.9% of us would never trade Nuge.. BoP and Veradad being the exceptions..

    We shall see what Yak can do without CMD.. I am hoping his confidence is still really good and will have to be very aware on the D side of the puck..

    I will continue to say what I have always said here from the day I started posting .. Can we PLEASE just get league average goaltending.. Keep Hall and Drai together for now.. with yak ?

  81. elgruntus says:

    Zelepukin:
    I really hope they don’t drop Drai down to 2C. I know it’s inevitable but lets see if we can find any 2nd line combo that can still be an offensive threat.

    Drai, with Lander and Yak worked very well in the pre season. Why not give them a few games?

  82. GCW_69 says:

    Lowetide:
    Good grief, are we trading Yak NOW?

    You trade Yak anytime someone makes you an offer of a defender good enough to make the whole team better. You can always slot Eberle in with McDavid.

  83. Pouzar says:

    RexLibris: I have ordered a complete set of “Sweating to the Oldies” from K-Tel records.

    Hey Rex,

    I live right by their head office her in the Peg. I’ll walk over and grab those for ya :)

  84. Nate780 says:

    G Money,

    G Money: Lewis Grant, 1 – Yak played (and scored) pretty well with Derek Roy as his C. I used Cult of Hockey numbers to assess my view of “seen him good”, and CoH concurs – Yak was the second best player on the ice for the Oilers the last 20 games of the season, neck and neck with RNH.2 – IMO, I think Yak’s resurgence has as much or more to do with coaching than with his C. Yak was scared to play anything but a vanilla third-line-plugger’s game under Eakins, and it showed. Loss of confidence is a horrible thing to have happen to someone whose offensive and creative instincts work at an elite level (which Yak’s Jr results clearly show to be the case). You have to let those players play and discover what works and what doesn’t at the NHL level. To bench them when they make a mistake (given that those mistakes are fundamental and critically important to the development process) is the worst possible thing you can do. IMO we lost two years of development in Yak’s game, and this is a crime that the Oilers and Eakins and MacT can never repay the young man, or the game of hockey.3 – Yak actually played fairly sturdy hockey with Drai as his C last year. They had pretty good possession numbers but poor puck luck (I say by both eye and by stat).This has certain implications from my perspective:If TMc wants to keep Hall/RNH/Drai together, then likely we see Poo/Lander/Yak or maybe Poo/Miller/Yak as LT thinks, with Ebs getting eased back into the game on the third line.But if that second line struggles to score, I think the logical think is to move Ebs back with RNH/Hall, a combo we know also can work really well, and try Dry Yak Poo again. Having both Drai and Yak playing confident games can make all the difference in the world.

    I agree with all of this, well said. Also, he had the same points/60 playing with Arcobello. Eakins just never gave him any consistency and was hell bent on playing him as a LW.

    But I think the line combos, should they need to be changed, will hopefully look like this

    Pouliot-Nuge-Ebs (one of the best lines in the league end of last year)
    Hall-Drai-Yak (all have shown a glimpse of decent chemistry playing together)

    This is IMO the most balanced way to deploy the top 6 without Mcdavid.

  85. Pouzar says:

    blainer: 99.9% of us would never trade Nuge.. BoP and Veradad being the exceptions..

    BoP hates good hockey players.

    The Stats say so.

  86. Water Fire says:

    GCW_69: You trade Yak anytime someone makes you an offer of a defender good enough to make the whole team better.You can always slot Eberle in with McDavid.

    For me too. Can’t expect to keep everybody and get a good player unless a UFA miracle happens. Yak is great but I would rate McD RNH Eberle Hall Drai above him. Easy enough to fill that 4th skill winger position as opposed to a good D.

    Good players get moved every year, due usually to management cranial meltdowns. The thing for me us our guy has a shot at them for a change, has his ear to the ground. MacT seemed surprised when it happened, Tambellini didn’t seem to be aware that perhaps he could get those guys for his team too.

    Great news about the clavicle.

  87. Lewis Grant says:

    G Money: 1 – Yak played (and scored) pretty well with Derek Roy as his C. I used Cult of Hockey numbers to assess my view of “seen him good”, and CoH concurs – Yak was the second best player on the ice for the Oilers the last 20 games of the season, neck and neck with RNH.
    2 – IMO, I think Yak’s resurgence has as much or more to do with coaching than with his C. Yak was scared to play anything but a vanilla third-line-plugger’s game under Eakins, and it showed. Loss of confidence is a horrible thing to have happen to someone whose offensive and creative instincts work at an elite level (which Yak’s Jr results clearly show to be the case).
    You have to let those players play and discover what works and what doesn’t at the NHL level. To bench them when they make a mistake (given that those mistakes are fundamental and critically important to the development process) is the worst possible thing you can do. IMO we lost two years of development in Yak’s game, and this is a crime that the Oilers and Eakins and MacT can never repay the young man, or the game of hockey.
    3 – Yak actually played fairly sturdy hockey with Drai as his C last year. They had pretty good possession numbers but poor puck luck (I say by both eye and by stat).
    This has certain implications from my perspective:
    If TMc wants to keep Hall/RNH/Drai together, then likely we see Poo/Lander/Yak or maybe Poo/Miller/Yak as LT thinks, with Ebs getting eased back into the game on the third line.
    But if that second line struggles to score, I think the logical think is to move Ebs back with RNH/Hall, a combo we know also can work really well, and try Dry Yak Poo again.
    Having both Drai and Yak playing confident games can make all the difference in the world.

    I hope you’re right. I don’t think Yak should be traded for anything less than full value. And I think there’s at least a possibility that he can put it together with Drai/Pou. But it’s much less certain. To do that is to put a guy who’s trying to prove himself and may need to play with established players (Yak) with another guy who’s trying to prove himself and may need to play with established players (Drai).

    I was in favour of re-signing Derek Roy purely because of the chemistry he had with Yak. I’m even more strongly in favour of it now. At this point, you could probably get him for league minimum.

    As for a trade, I am convinced that we need a top-level defenseman, and that will require trading someone we don’t want to trade. And Yak’s pedigree will artificially inflate his value unlike anybody else we can offer in a trade.

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