G35 2015-16: JETS AT OILERS

One of the things that has major appeal for blogs and message boards is the debate over lines and pairings. In today’s GDT, you will read all sorts of discussion (and hopefully take part in it) about best pairings for tonight. Debate, discussion, back and forth. The first time I ever typed anything onto the internet, it was a debate over Daniel Cleary versus Dan Lacouture. You may find this hard to believe (or not) but I was wrong. Kim Gernack, who is now in heaven, won that round, and introduced me to the art of commenting online and respecting opinion.

It is fun to play along with the decisions of your favorite team, to argue the things you don’t like and remind others about things we called long ago. We all do it, this is fun! I have also received an education, from hf boards, other blogs, this one too, about the doings of NHL teams and coaches. I learned more from Craig MacTavish and his deployment of players during his coaching career than I had from anyone since Howie Meeker in my youth. MacT did some unusual things (ran Toby Petersen on the PP, others) but the man made sense in word and deed as a coach and there is not enough time in either of our lives for you to change my mind on it.

I have always respected Todd McLellan as a coach, although when you are observing an opponent it isn’t with the same magnifying glass you place on the home side. So far this season, I have been impressed with his approach and he has unlocked some of the talented players in this organization.

I did not agree with McLellan’s handling of Mark Fayne. It made no sense when it happened and the recall was overdue. I understand the idea of getting through to veterans (to my eye Fayne was playing more passively than the other blue, suggesting he didn’t trust himself with standing up at the blue and remaining effective) but the Oilers aren’t so good they can make this kind of move without consequences. It is the first move I have seen from the Oilers in-season this year that ran counter with trying to win hockey games. Hopefully it is also the last.

THE BLUE, 2015-16

OILERS DEFENSE OVER SEASON

Someone must have said ‘how can this get worse?’ and came the answer: Brandon Davidson is down and he is not getting up! Good grief. We knew in summer Edmonton had less than ‘balance’ on defense, and the hockey Gods are hammering the organization left and right to drive home the point. Good.

For tonight, with Klefbom and Davidson possibly out, Edmonton is screwed. I would suggest the following:

  • Sekera—Schultz
  • Nikitin—Fayne
  • Nurse—Gryba

Oilers are going to have one slow pairing tonight, there is nothing anyone can do about it (unless you want to see Nikitin-Schultz again). If Klefbom can go:

  • Nurse—Sekera
  • Klefbom—Schultz
  • Nikitin—Fayne

If both Klefbom and Davidson can go:

  • Klefbom—Sekera
  • Davidson—Fayne
  • Nurse—Schultz

There. I feel better. I am also completely accepting of the fact Todd McLellan will cobble this group together in a completely different way.

I believe that would be a mistake. Even with Klefbom and Davidson back, Schultz is among the six best options on the team in my opinion.

  1. Sekera
  2. Klefbom
  3. Davidson
  4. Fayne
  5. Nurse
  6. Schultz

That is my list, your mileage may vary.

WHAT IS UP, BOGDAN?

That link provided by Patricia states Yakimov is returning to the KHL and it sounds immediate. There are only a few possible reasons for this:

  • The young man was homesick. I don’t really buy it, he was here one year ago and mae it through the year. Yakimov did adjust pretty well in OKC, maybe Bakersfield was tougher? Honestly, this is an unlikely reason.
  • Peter Chiarelli and crew have decided foot speed is enough of an issue that he will not make the NHL. That is possible, folks. He has suffered injuries since coming to North America and may have lost a foot on his fastball.
  • Playing time. I think this is probably it, as the Oilers continue to employ AHL veterans over youngsters. It seems to be better from time to time, but an AHL coach (in this case Gerry Fleming) is going to attempt to win hockey games. You win games with veterans, and I suspect this is probably the reason. Edmonton has had this problem forever and it doesn’t appear to be improving under Peter Chiarelli.

CONDORS TOP FIVE SCORERS

 

  • LD Brad Hunt 26GP, 4-17-21
  • R Matt Ford 24GP, 11-7-18
  • C-R Andrew Miller 20GP, 6-11-17
  • L Ryan Hamilton 24GP, 7-3-10
  • D Nikita Nikitin 14GP, 1-8-9

 

Veterans all. This is a problem for sure, if you are losing legit prospects (and Yakimov is such a player) to AHL veterans then at some point you have to fire the AHL coach. As you know, I am not in favor of people losing their jobs, but the investment in these young men is incredible and they need to work out at least once in awhile. What if the next man up is Anton Slepyshev? I am little pissed today, but if they lose Slepyshev prepare for the big action words on this blog.

OILERS CENTERS 2015-16

oilers centers over season

God what a group, cannot wait to see them all flying in January. Look at Leon’s numbers! Holy cannoli, Batman! Craig MacTavish had two first-round picks as GM, he will have earned SC rings (when it happens) for that alone. McDavid’s numbers scream impact player, I cannot wait for Christmas (now understood on this blog to be the first game of McDavid back in Oilers silks).

RNH is struggling, a lot of that has to do with injured linemates and climbing Everest. You will read some negative comments about him in the thread today, the Nuge is a candidate for team whipping boy but it is not warranted. Remember this: The clean air reaching Leon’s lungs is being bought and paid for by a man just 2.5 years older than him. Oh, those Oilers. (PS, I am not implying Tempest is being negative, I have heard this rumor enough to believe someone is pushing it up—possibly Nashville).

Anton Lander and Mark Letestu continue their race among the ruins at even strength, one hopes for an EN goal for the Swede. Letestu at least gets a PP point here and there.

WINGS, 2015-16

oil forwards over season

Taylor Hall remains the central hero in this story, which is incredible considering the Oilers have drafted three No. 1 overalls, Oscar, Darnell and Leon in the first rounds since No. 4 arrived in 2010. Incredible talent. I remain onside with bringing back Teddy Purcell, man he is so good with the puck on his stick. If you enjoy cerebral players, Purcell is a joy to behold.

Jordan Eberle has been reminding people of his abilities recently, just a fabulous scorer who can thread the needle in a heartbeat. Benoit Pouliot adds so much to any line (remember when we were raving about him on the McDavid-Yak unit) and he is a nice complement to Taylor Hall on the portside.

Beyond Hendricks, I am undecided about who to keep for next year among the bottom wingers, but can say Iiro Pakarinen is one of my favorite Oilers currently. Also, it may be time to get Slepyshev back up here, don’t want to lose him to the KHL, too.

rigg

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

Christmas week! The shows get looser this time of year, kind of like Neil Young and Crazy Horse at the Fillmore. It is still grand though, and I hope you tune in. 10 this morning, TSN1260:

  • Scott Burnside, ESPN. Highs and lows across the NHL, including Dallas and Anaheim.
  • Jeff Hauser, Radio Hauser. The NFL playoff picture is coming into view now.
  • Sunil Agnihotri, The SuperFan and Copper & Blue. The week ahead and what on earth do they come up with tonight on defense?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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  1. Water Fire says:

    Halfwise: Nurse was brought in to replace the broken X Ray machine. It’s all about the eye glow.

    Perfect

  2. Water Fire says:

    Keith: Like you said, a bizarre play and a shame. I would add, preventable with proper rule enforcement…

    Like so many of the player health issues in the league. Or maybe all of them.

  3. rickithebear says:

    leadfarmer:
    rickithebear,

    I’m sure even bears understand that Petry is a very good # 3 d man that was played as a #1 with a poor partner

    He was an average 2nd/3rd comp def d in the WC.

  4. Kitchener says:

    This is like watching a 15 year old driving 80 miles an hour. It might not end in disaster, but this is crazy.

  5. stevezie says:

    I favour resigning Purcell, but if we go a different way I wonder if Tampa would be interested? Last year the whole team other than Stamkos had a career year and this year everyone exemplified by Stamkos has taken a step back. I wonder if Stevie Y would like to give his big gun anothe rspin with the man who was once a key part of the Stamkos scoring machine?

    The situation is obviously complicated by whatever The Man’s future plans are.

  6. Pajamah says:

    Wow, the Jets defense is over 1300 lbs

    500 of it between Dustin Byfuglien and his stick.

  7. Lowetide says:

    I may throw up. Vertigo? Or the Oilers?

  8. Pajamah says:

    rickithebear: He was an average 2nd/3rd comp def d in the WC.

    So an average 4th defender on any western conference team.

    In lay terms, the best Oiler defenseman since CFP.

  9. delooper says:

    If the Oilers ever get out of this injury funk they’re in, they’ll be a pretty good team. Trial by fire, up the mountain, whatever they call this thing.

  10. Henry says:

    Talbot is struggling no more.

    The D might be terrible, but the Oilers can make a run. No trades until we get to see them with the rest of the McDavid line all together.

  11. Klima's_Bucket says:

    It never gets mentioned, but what happened to Letestu’s face that requires that face shield?
    I haven’t heard about a broken jaw so what is it???

  12. BAUCE says:

    The oilers are getting their asses handed to them.

  13. Johnny Larue says:

    The refs are brutal both ways

  14. Kitchener says:

    All Oilers at 50% or better in faceoffs tonight.

  15. Derek says:

    It looks like Talbot has experienced G Moneys projected starter dip and come back guns blazing. What an effort so far.

  16. Oil2Oilers says:

    Lowetide:
    I may throw up. Vertigo? Or the Oilers?

    Too much Spector. Take two Friedman’s and you will be fine.

  17. stevezie says:

    The amount of times I’ve heard Oiler announcers mention “rope-a-dope” in recent Oiler leads is not a great sign.

    Still, beats the alternative.

  18. Seismic Source says:

    Call a timeout after the TV timeout…calm this shit down

  19. Lowetide says:

    That pass is what McLellan has to get out of Schultz game. He needs to make tape to tape pass and have it count.

  20. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Oilers look really really slow tonight.

  21. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Why are those one handed hooks only called against teams when they are leading?

  22. Water Fire says:

    ruotsalainen:
    Also, it has been a while. Fuck you Bookje!

    Thanks, I forgot to say that as well, Bookje! “Steve Smith” Impersonator

  23. Pajamah says:

    Positive sign, another couple hundred saves tonight, and Talbot is back over 0.925%

  24. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    How is that not hooking on the Jets against Nuge?

  25. fuzzy muppet says:

    Haha thanks hook on RNH is far worse than 3 actuall penalties the Oilers took. Unfortunately not called directly in front of the stripes

  26. tapper says:

    Same damn hook on Nuge and no call. NHL=WWF.

  27. Klima's_Bucket says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Because the Oilers have the lead.
    Seriously.
    The refs play to the score.
    Every Fucking Game.

  28. Derek says:

    RNH mugged. Business as usual.

  29. PhrankLee says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    It never gets mentioned, but what happened to Letestu’s face that requires that face shield?
    I haven’t heard about a broken jaw so what is it???

    I thought he was Kronwalled?

  30. Seismic Source says:

    The officiating in this league is undermining the sport. Its making it less legitimate. The NHL needs to address this.

  31. Lowetide says:

    Eberle made a mistake there, get to center ice. Lordy.

  32. fuzzy muppet says:

    Gain the line stupid!

  33. Lowetide says:

    Seismic Source:
    The officiating in this league is undermining the sport. Its making it less legitimate. The NHL needs to address this.

    The Habs in the 1970s would consider this a tough night.

  34. G Money says:

    Nice warm albeit smoggy Tuesday morning in Pune, India.

    If im reading the comments right, this game is kind of the reverse of the COL game?

  35. fuzzy muppet says:

    3 centers out for the zone draw

  36. Water Fire says:

    I look at the unjust reffing as an opportunity for these fellows to adjust mentally to no life raft being thrown.

    Sink or swim boys. There is no doubt that you can do it from our end.

  37. tcho says:

    Man, the number of times an Oiler player has had the puck on his stick tonight and failed to clear the zone/given the puck away… it’s just insane. Maybe the worst Oilers game I’ve ever seen for this?

  38. Lackadaisical says:

    Longest penalty kill ever… Cambot is looking great!

  39. stevezie says:

    Unpopular opinion: Eberle is an elite shooter. By the time he hit the redline any dump in would be contested, but he was wide open with a good look at an empty net. He hits it and the game is over. I didn’t hear the post but apparently the announcers did.

    The mistake he made was missing, not taking the shot.

  40. Johnny Larue says:

    Takes the cake as the most brutal ref fed game ever just phantom calls

  41. OTO says:

    Anyone else’s skin crawl when drew remenda speaks?

  42. John Chambers says:

    There are no easy wins for this team. Even when they’re by more than one goal.

  43. Lowetide says:

    Nice punch by Nurse there.

  44. Clay says:

    Well, the Oilers have had some good-looking losses this year. I guess this one evens it out a bit.

    Thanks Talbot. We never doubted you for a second!

  45. John Chambers says:

    OTO:
    Anyone else’s skin crawl when drew remenda speaks?

    Bet he has a hard hard time with the ladies. Lordy!

  46. tcho says:

    G Money,

    Hope you’re having a good trip to India. Yes – reverse Colorado, but increasingly more lopsided the longer the game goes on.

  47. delooper says:

    Darnell is lovely.

  48. Bootstrap Effexor says:

    Pajamah: He moved things the right way, and most intelligent posters here would have gladly given him the contract he got in Montreal to keep him.

    You’re neglecting the feedback loop from the not-so-intelligent posters here + posters elsewhere who wouldn’t have gladly given him those dollars, causing Petry to logically demand more.

    … No, wait, that doesn’t work. His detractors would only become twice as disgruntled.

    … causing Petry to logically demand more less.

    No, wait, that doesn’t work, either.

    Petry himself spoke about how much more he enjoyed playing in Montreal due to (A) better team structure to showcase his value; and/or (B) a more appreciative fan base.

    I don’t think he wanted to be here at the price he would have needed to ask. Plus, CMD was not yet an assured sweetener.

    When half a fan base undervalues a player, more often than not their wish comes true, creating another nice little feedback loop of further disgruntlement.

    The real problem is that we never earned a homer discount with this particular asset. The only way, on past data, that Petry would have given us the homer discount is that his dream in life was to play first-pair defense with lagging Corgis on an awful trending to poor trending to mediocre hockey team (i.e. he secretly harboured a giant man-crush on over-promise / under-deliver).

    If Petry was last in line with the homer discount, those same dollars obtain for us just as much elsewhere.

    Finally, his performance in Montreal mitigated much of the private concern that Petry’s performance here would not translate to his performance anywhere else.

    The real problem, I think, was that MacT’s verbal concerning Petry was the canary in the coal mine warning us about the Nikitin / Fayne debacle yet to come.

    If Smid had proven himself to be a world-beater in Calgary, the fog of warts would have lifted far sooner than it did.

    ———

    Looks like someone on our team lofted a puck north-south just to prove our side of the shot clock is still working this side of mid-game.

    I think coach needs to clear his throat and explain that this much puck retention is a leading cause of rectal damage.

  49. BAUCE says:

    tcho:
    Man, the number of times an Oiler player has had the puck on his stick tonight and failed to clear the zone/given the puck away… it’s just insane. Maybe the worst Oilers game I’ve ever seen for this?

    Yup if tal-bot is not godly tonight the oilers would have lost big

  50. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    Nice warm albeit smoggy Tuesday morning in Pune, India.

    If im reading the comments right, this game is kind of the reverse of the COL game?

    Apt description. Talbot out of his mind good is the lead story, Leon line and Darnell/Sekera below the fold.

  51. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    That was an ugly win. Didn’t think the Oilers had it in them to win before Christmas break, but Talbot saved the day. Good night folks.

  52. fuzzy muppet says:

    hopefully Christmas break heals some folks.

  53. Johnny Larue says:

    There has to be some review of the crappy reffing this is the worst ever just pathetic

  54. blainer says:

    Man Talbot just stole that game..

    7 and 3 for December.. two more wins this month would be an excellent December..

  55. Ice Sage says:

    Once again, Connor comes thru for the Oilers.
    Merry Festivus Holidays, ‘migos!

  56. Yak Efron says:

    That was all just score effects, right??? Right??!?????

    *chews nails*

  57. rich says:

    Nice game from Talbot,stole one for us.

    Liked how Nurse went after Schiefle after he got dumped, stand up for yourself.

    Just gotta stay close until the injured guys come back.

  58. Halfwise says:

    tcho:
    Man, the number of times an Oiler player has had the puck on his stick tonight and failed to clear the zone/given the puck away… it’s just insane. Maybe the worst Oilers game I’ve ever seen for this?

    You’re new around here?

    The blue line giveaways were legion the past five years

    This year is way better.

  59. AsiaOil says:

    My god that was painful from the goalie swap to the end. Men playing against Hall’s line, boys and AHLers – and we all know who fits in each group. This team needs a trade and the 2nd line back – because the existing 2nd line got it’s ass handed to it yet again. Hard they are not.

  60. Oil2Oilers says:

    G Money,

    The Ref’s trying to make both Canadian teams lose was hard to watch. Talbot was excellent.

  61. Tire Fire says:

    Not a pretty game, but at least it was good for Talbot’s confidence…

  62. BONVIE says:

    Woodguy: Nope.

    Been a fan of Spurgeon’s for years and he makes pairs go.

    Great NHL player.

    Doesn’t matter that he’s 5’9″

    He’s been a driving force in the Western Conference, in the Central division no less, for years.

    He’s very legit and very real.

    Here’s a quick hit:

    Last 3 years he’s played 2833min at 5v5

    1504 w/ Suter (1sts)
    994 w/ Scandella (2nds)

    Suter w/ Spurgeon 53.1%
    Suter w/o Spurgeon 48.8%

    A 5% difference on a first pair is a massive difference

    Scandella w/ Spurgeon 53.3%
    Scandella w/o Spurgeon 48.9%

    Almost the same difference.

    If you look at the differences you can see its mostly a boost in Corsi For and small reduction in Corsi Against.

    He gets the puck and moves the puck better than 90% of NHL Dmen.

    He’s more physical and removes players from the puck with his body more than any Oiler Dman other than Nurse, and maybe even more than him.

    That’s evidence enough for me seeing Suter’s numbers go down without Spurgeon.

  63. Dicky94 says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    Oilers have been on X mas break for last ten games. They better stick around Edmonton for the week and practice.

  64. Fog of Warts says:

    I’ve always thought the primary purpose of my handle was to remind me of my own opinions (a bigger problem than it might outwardly appear).

    B.E. served that purpose, rather grotesquely, though I always prefer shorter words when I finally find some. Bonus points if they’re self-descriptive.

  65. Johnny Larue says:

    What say you Bruce

  66. Johnny Larue says:

    Anyways good news Talbot looks like he is ready to take over. If he can play close to that and we can get some guys back look out because here we come

  67. Gerta Rauss says:

    Todd Mclellan post game

    I’m disappointed. It’s great we got the points in the bank and we went in feeling good, but…

    I think we’re such a better team than we just performed tonight.Our poise, our execution,our skill level, our ability to manage the game…

    We’re a better team than that…we got away with one tonight
    =====
    -Davidson mentioned as day to day, feeling a little better today…he’s got an injury, that, he can’t play with until he feels good

    -He mentions that he is looking forward to the homestand (after the 2 game road trip) ..looking forward to the practice time. He talks about the team “plateauing” and needing to work on a number of things

  68. BONVIE says:

    I hope Byfuglian is signed soon by Winnipeg making Myers posibly available. Myers is just such a dominant Dman and never seems to leave the ice.

  69. BONVIE says:

    Another thing I noticed that we seem to be using our 3rd line against any line as if we still had Boyd Gordon on it. I wish we could get that trade back. That 3rd line was under siege several times in the later part of that game.

  70. Johnny Larue says:

    Lucky for us they don’t ask how just how many. At least we end up on a positive note before Christmas I just want to use this chance to wish everyone here a Merry Christmas and hope that good times are around the corner .

  71. tcho says:

    On the bright side, every team goes through some tough stretches with poor play, injuries. We’re doing it and still, somehow managing to put some points in the bank.

    TMac nailed it in the press conference though – this team needs to play better, full stop.

  72. Stanley 2018 says:

    Schedule over the next 2 months is a lot easier than first 3 have been. Not far-fetched to think Oilers could still be in the playoff hunt come March, long as they can stop the injury bug and learn how to win road games.

  73. G Money says:

    Sometimes your goalies gotta steal one. Never happened last year. Happened TO the Oilers a lot. I see Varly got lit up for 6 goals on 21 shots vs TOR. As long as it’s not the game plan long term a la Roy, it’s just a bonus. Good words as always from TMc, no Hartley-like illusions or delusions from that guy.

  74. Water Fire says:

    Fog of Warts:
    I’ve always thought the primary purpose of my handle was to remind me of my own opinions (a bigger problem than it might outwardly appear).

    B.E. served that purpose, rather grotesquely, though I always prefer shorter words when I finally find some.Bonus points if they’re self-descriptive.

    Love it, intense as usual, what does it mean!?!?!?

  75. hags9k says:

    Credit where due, that was a great game by Talbot. I hope he can bottle that aggressiveness and confidence.

  76. AsiaOil says:

    I’m still pissed by Eberle’s incredibly selfish play going for the empty net before crossing the red line in the last minute. Completely inexcusable. He takes two more strides and no icing but likely has a much worse shot on net since guys were closing down on him. He took the selfish path and put his own stats ahead of the team on that one. Unacceptable but even worse in a game were he was tossed around like a kid all night by big men.

  77. AsiaOil says:

    Your guy Talbot was great tonight. Good form, focused, excellent rebound control. Safe travels…..

    G Money,

  78. square_wheels says:

    G Money,

    A year ago we might have had to win this in OT, or at least held our breath when it became a 3-2 game late.

    Tmac made it clear this wasn’t an acceptable game, that alone is progress. Even with this D I take it and run away laughing though.

  79. Centre of attention says:

    AsiaOil:
    I’m still pissed by Eberle’s incredibly selfish play going for the empty net before crossing the red line in the last minute. Completely inexcusable. He takes two more strides and no icing but likely has a much worse shot on net since guys were closing down on him. He took the selfish path and put his own stats ahead of the team on that one. Unacceptable but even worse in a game were he was tossed around like a kid all night by big men.

    Breath in.

    The Oilers won and remain in the hunt for a playoff spot.

    Breath out.

  80. rickithebear says:

    Pajamah: So an average 4th defender on any western conference team.

    In lay terms, the best Oiler defenseman since CFP.

    05-06 Pronger 1st comp 8.33 HSCA/60
    15-16 Davidson 2nd/3rd comp 9.11 HSCA/60
    08-09 Staios 2nd/3rd comp 9.63 HSCA/60
    15-16 Klefbom 1st comp 10.12 HSCA/60
    13-14 Larsen 2nd comp 10.15
    10-11 Petry 3rd comp 10.81 hsca/60
    07-08 Souray 1st comp 11.19
    09-10 Souray 1st comp 11.30
    14-15 nikitin 1st comp 11.55
    14-15 Fayne 1st comp 11.57
    14-15 petry 2nd comp 11.74
    15-16 Sekera 1st/2nd comp 11.89
    13-14 Petry 1st comp 12.33
    08-09 Souray 1st comp 11.35

    Suuuuuuuure!

  81. stevezie says:

    AsiaOil,

    I expect I’m alone on this, but no. Eberle’s job is to win hockey games, not look unselfish. He has an accurate shot and was in the position to finish the game. He made the confident play, leaned into his skill-set, and missed.

    I can live with that.

  82. stevezie says:

    Stanley 2018,

    I just wanted them to stay close until they got their 2nd line back. That’s a big deal, they were missing an entire line for a good stretch there.

    If the get McD back and 93 and 14 start clicking again?

    Well, their defence will still lose them a few games but things will be better.

  83. unca miltie says:

    Just got home from the game. First time live this year. Really impressed with Sekera. At least three times saw him go to a Jet along the boards in our end and take the puck away. Believe it or not saw Schultz make a nice defending play too. Some pretty nice passing from Drai and Hall early as well. And of course Talbot was great. Great to finally see a win. My last three games at ReXall have been losses. Bad ones. Next game in Arizona Jan. 12th. Sure hope to see McDavid.

  84. Really? says:

    Tonight the Oilers D men were simply not able to cope with the Jets. Given that Klefbom and Davidson are both on the IR, I am very pleased with tonight’s victory.

    Not only was this a moral victory but it was also 2 points. That is special.

  85. square_wheels says:

    James Corden’s Late Late Show has the hottest female bass player…..I watch for her alone.

  86. square_wheels says:

    square_wheels:
    James Corden’s Late Late Show has the hottest female bass player…..I watch for her alone.

    And Brian Cranston is crushing it tonight in the faux house Boy band ! Very good show, consistantly funny.

  87. Ice Sage says:

    Stanley 2018:
    Schedule over the next 2 months is a lot easier than first 3 have been. Not far-fetched to think Oilers could still be in the playoff hunt come March, long as they can stop the injury bug and learn how to win road games.

    Winning road games will require a dangerous 2nd line. Too easy for away opposing coaches to match / neutralize 4-29-Purcell and cruise to victory.

  88. striker says:

    Bootstrap Effexor: I’m multitasking this evening. The hockey quants among us might enjoy checking out Philip Tetlock on Superforecasting at 44:30 for a short hockey anecdote.

    Liberty Fund eh? Eric Blair’ll be a’birling in the grave.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Fund

  89. striker says:

    square_wheels: James Corden’s Late Late Show has the hottest female bass player…..I watch for her alone.

    Christoph Waltz has fawned over the her the last couple times he’s been on. Very interesting format not usually seen in North America. I like Corden too. My #1 is Colbert, smart and funny.

  90. striker says:

    rickithebear: 05-06 Pronger 1st comp 8.33 HSCA/60
    15-16 Davidson 2nd/3rd comp 9.11 HSCA/60
    08-09 Staios 2nd/3rd comp 9.63 HSCA/60
    15-16 Klefbom 1st comp 10.12 HSCA/60
    13-14 Larsen 2nd comp 10.15
    10-11 Petry 3rd comp 10.81 hsca/60
    07-08 Souray 1st comp 11.19
    09-10 Souray 1st comp 11.30
    14-15 nikitin 1st comp 11.55
    14-15 Fayne 1st comp 11.57
    14-15 petry 2nd comp 11.74
    15-16 Sekera 1st/2nd comp 11.89
    13-14 Petry 1st comp 12.33
    08-09 Souray 1st comp 11.35

    Suuuuuuuure!

    How does it go again?

    Introduction/Method/Results/Analysis/Discussion

  91. Walter Sobchak says:

    Seems like I’m always on night shift whenever I want to join in on a great article.

    Anyways, the biggest thing I can’t figure out about the MSM is this, why trade RNH for Jones when you can offer sheet Jones and most likely grab him for a decent number?!?

    Even the threat of an offer sheet to Nash might get you Jones for far less than RNH, why haven’t MSM picked up on this angle?

    On a similar note: I’ll be beating the same drum for both Krieder and Jenner as potential offer sheet targets.

  92. JDï™ says:

    Shout out to Ricki. Not sure why I’m shouting though.

  93. BONE207 says:

    So I roll into Lowetide.ca like Norm on Cheers (NORM everyone cheers as he assumes his seat. I assume my seat (not watched the game…everyone yells BONE) and with beer in hand read the Regular’s posts on whether I should risk the game on TV. How’s your day treating you? Like the way a baby treats a diaper! After less than a year on the site, some of these Corsi things are starting to make sense. Look, the Oilers played like crap but won?? What the hell. Maybe just the highlights tonight but when Connor and the gang get back, can we sing by the piano and drink more beers on the street? God, it’s been 10 years and we really could use a bigger Cup around here. I’ll take this game as a gift and keep hoping that the letter I sent to Canada Post H0H0H0 will produce better results on a regular basis in 2016. Merry Christmas and a well Oiled New Year.

  94. AsiaOil says:

    If he’s so confident in his shot then why doesn’t he take 2 extra strides and make the tougher play – this was the opposite – bailed out and took the easy way. His selfiness trapped the team back in their own in for another good 30 seconds straight and made Talbot make another couple of stops. Zero excuses available on that one.

    stevezie:
    AsiaOil,

    I expect I’m alone on this, but no. Eberle’s job is to win hockey games, not look unselfish. He has an accurate shot and was in the position to finish the game. He made the confident play, leaned into his skill-set, and missed.

    I can live with that.

  95. bassguy says:

    Hi everyone!…great win regardless of the shots?..a goaler pulled it out for us..I never got to see the game though…looking at TOI though..who do you think McClellan(sp?) played most of his forwards?..yes, RNH..he is the engine that could and can…he is invaluable as far as I am concerned…he is the guy you play in any and every situation..I think he was played 4 minutes or so more than any forward tonight…think about that while you want to trade this guy..he is getting stronger on the dot as well..but he is kind of old at 22!

  96. "Steve Smith" says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I’m late to the party, but I’d echo what a lot of others say, in particular Lois and Bar Qu. I too find the kind of casual misogyny, and (less frequent, oddly) homophobia that sometimes makes its way into the comments section troubling.

    (Unlike most others here, though, I actually skim over your finance posts. But I skim over a lot of other people’s non-hockey posts too, and I certainly don’t think they should stop making them.)

  97. bassguy says:

    further more, as he had another beer(me)…nuge is so important to the “balance” LT keeps hoping for..he does alot of 200 shit that does not show up in the stats….he is so important to the edmonton oilers success….why would todd be giving this young man so much time on ice? because he knows and believes in him to be able, even under extreme shots against etc, to turn the puck the other way…this is a very important …nuge is huge

  98. bassguy says:

    i want to rant a bit because I am late to this discussion ?…I am up late (because i get home late!)but I love this blog and I will donate for sure!…we are in so much better shape than last year?…yes?..tmac has got a different feel..he does not try to to cover things up or smooth things over when you hear his post games scrum..its real..thank gords for that…we have had alot of injuries ..I think we can do some damage in the new year?…

  99. serum114 says:

    Haven’t read the comments, just now read the post, but wanted to echo your kind words about Kim. I remember many moons ago, in previous iterations of HF, Kim really helped me as a hot headed know it all to pause, reflect, and genuinely consider my perspective.

    ‘Do you have something to say? Or do you have to say something?’

    Wonderful man redtwilight, thank you for evoking his memory. Always brings a smile to my face.

  100. Zelepukin says:

    bassguy:
    i want to rant a bit because I am late to this discussion ?…I am up late (because i get home late!)but I love this blog and I will donate for sure!…we are in so much better shape than last year?…yes?..tmac has got a different feel..he does nottry to to cover things up or smooth things over when you hear his post games scrum..its real..thank gords for that…we have had alot of injuries ..I think we can do some damage in the new year?…

    I too would never trade Nuge. A 22 yr old centre with his experience already and his head on his shoulders, man those don’t grow on trees. He is just now getting his man-strength and you can see it in the dots and in the corners. I love Ebs and I love Yaks, but I’d part with either of those before giving up Nuge.

    Drai, Nuge and McD are unbelievably complementary centers. All 3 have different styles and yet all are ridiculous passers. No team in the NHL has 3 playmaking centers of that caliber. Zero.

    I’d be fine with Chia just finding another Sekera in the off-season. A stable body that can gain possession and pass. I believe Chia doesn’t want to do anything drastic to obtain a 1D either. Reason being is, you can see that it won’t be long for Nurse to step in that kind of role. It might even be as early as next year. He has the tools, he just has that newborn quality to him that he’ll eventually grow out of, which looks very similar to Hallsy’s first couple years. Once his man legs are underneath him, you can see the CFP potential but with speed.

  101. Adam Wu says:

    I think it is completely wrong to call a play like Eberle’s a “selfish” one. In this context, a goal seals a win for the team, and there is nothing selfish about trying to freaking win the game for your team.

    It’s a judgement call he has to make. If he scores, the game is over, the win is sealed. If he gains the line but no longer has a good shot, he kills some time off the clock, and makes it that much harder for the other team to come back, but the *win is not sealed*. Sealing the win right away is betterr FOR THE TEAM than just making it harder for the opponent to come back. He has to weigh that against his level of confidence in making the shot. Had he scored, there would be no criticism. Since he missed, he is open to criticism, but the criticism should be focused on execution and judgment.

    You could call it a “lazy” play, in that a little more effort to gain the line was not expended.

    You could call it a “cowardly” play, if gaining the line would have increased the risk of being hit.

    You could call it a “foolish” play, in that gaining the line first was the tactically superior option.

    But “selfish”? No, no, a thousand times no.

  102. Bruce McCurdy says:

    The clean air reaching Leon’s lungs is being bought and paid for by a man just 4.5 years older than him.

    Maybe it got caught further up the thread, but RNH is just 2.5 years older than Leon.

  103. Bruce McCurdy says:

    tapper:
    Same damn hook on Nuge and no call. NHL=WWF.

    NHL = W*T*F

  104. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Johnny Larue:
    What say you Bruce

    Just checking in here now (real late). I’ve already spoken my piece on Twitter and in my game grades.

    Bush league officiating, plain and simple.

    They finally did catch a legit penalty on the Jets right at the end, other than they misidentified slew-footing as high-sticking. Close.

    The way Nurse went down I was just glad to see him get up at all. To see him get up and pop the cheap shot artist was awesome. There was a message there and that message was “you just fucked with the wrong guy.”

    Give Nurse another year or two and that message will become “you just fucked with the wrong TEAM.” I can hardly wait.

  105. Pajamah says:

    rickithebear: 05-06 Pronger1st comp 8.33 HSCA/60
    15-16 Davidson 2nd/3rd comp 9.11 HSCA/60
    08-09 Staios 2nd/3rd comp 9.63 HSCA/60
    15-16 Klefbom 1st comp10.12 HSCA/60
    13-14 Larsen 2nd comp 10.15
    10-11 Petry 3rd comp 10.81 hsca/60
    07-08 Souray 1st comp 11.19
    09-10 Souray 1st comp 11.30
    14-15 nikitin 1st comp 11.55
    14-15 Fayne 1st comp 11.57
    14-15 petry2nd comp11.74
    15-16 Sekera 1st/2nd comp 11.89
    13-14 Petry 1st comp12.33
    08-09 Souray 1st comp 11.35

    Suuuuuuuure!

    And there is your metric as to what YOU think makes a quality defenseman. Doesn’t speak to their partner, quality of competition, or other important facets of a defensemans game.

    If you think Steve Staois, Brandon Davidson, Phillip Larson, Niki Nikitin, or Mark Fayne are better than Jeff Petry, then you simply are too far down the rabbit hole to even discuss this with. Other than Faynes amazing shutdown years with Greene, there is no point in any of the examples listed that I would have taken anyone you mentioned over Petry

    Seriously, why don’t you tell me who is the best goalie by their goal and assist totals, and who is the best player in the NHL based on fighting majors

    You cherry pick 1 number, and a)you think it’s the most important, b)you think it is infallible as a condemnation/confirmation of what makes a bad or good defenseman.

    The fact you think Petry wasn’t a quality d man here, and that he would do more harm than good to our teams cup hopes shows me that you really and truly don’t know what you are talking about.

  106. Ryan says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I’m late to the party, but I’d echo what a lot of others say, in particular Lois and Bar Qu.I too find the kind of casual misogyny, and (less frequent, oddly) homophobia that sometimes makes its way into the comments section troubling.

    (Unlike most others here, though, I actually skim over your finance posts.But I skim over a lot of other people’s non-hockey posts too, and I certainly don’t think they should stop making them.)

    Hear, here!

    Let’s all keep things above board.

    The level of discourse and general lack of ad hominems are two things that separate ‘us’ from ‘them.’

    That and at Lowetide, when we fight, we fight with numbers. 🙂

    When I first came to this blog in 2009, my biggest fear was saying something stupid and consequently just being ignored. Now I say plenty of stupid things and hope that when I do, I am ignored, but that’s not my point, lol.

    I also enjoy the non-hockey related post where people share their insight into things such as finance.

    This blog is all about the exchange of ideas-particularly if they’re of the nerdy variety. How many people who used to comment here are now employed by NHL teams?

    At the risk of sounding pedantic, let’s all continue to do our best to keep this place how it is.

  107. böök¡je says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I’m late to the party, but I’d echo what a lot of others say, in particular Lois and Bar Qu.I too find the kind of casual misogyny, and (less frequent, oddly) homophobia that sometimes makes its way into the comments section troubling.

    (Unlike most others here, though, I actually skim over your finance posts.But I skim over a lot of other people’s non-hockey posts too, and I certainly don’t think they should stop making them.)

    Not having read the discussions that started it all, but understanding that it had something to do with a comment about the “ref being distracted by a pretty girl”, I think this is the perfect forum for such discussion and debate. Like Steve, I often find issue with certain phrases such as “skates like a girl” offensive and point out why such statements are problematic. Without more context, I would argue that the “distracted by a pretty girl” comment doesn’t fall into the innapropruate category, though I understand the issues raised by others.

    To me, that’s where the discussion is valuable. Identifying and understanding the impacts of our choice of phrases and the underlying associations are key. Forums like this are great because it reaches a much wider audience than it would in a sociology class.

    The key element of good discussion, however, is respect for one another and the need to keep the discussion about the issue and not fall into ad hominem attacks on one another.

  108. PhrankLee says:

    What a bizarre win.

    Knew coach was going to be disappointed with the team but Talbot. Wow that was a game.

    We were terrible with shot suppression last night. They wouldn’t need to block as many damn shots if they figured out how to gap the oncoming rush properly. Too many times a dangerous play only needed a body in the way of a puck carrier for it to evaporate.

    Taylor Hall can see behind himself like a bird or something, a lizard.

    His forecheck now includes the proper angle of attack while his stick is in the outlet lane. I watched him switch hands effortlessly to cover multiple passing lanes and creating something we have not seen in a long time in Edmonton. Pressure. Pressure on the puck carrier by the Oilers in the corners.

    Leon with a mistake that coach made him pay for. With Leon you get the impression that his heritage would compel him take a mental note of it and made sure it never happened again. He is a professional hockey player. Awesome kid.

  109. oliveoilers says:

    böök¡je: The key element of good discussion, however, is respect for one another and the need to keep the discussion about the issue and not fall into ad hominem attacks on one another.

    This.

    Also, we can’t be revving up the outrage bus every time somebody says something we personally don’t like.

    The anonymity of the internet is somewhat to blame. People are more likely to post something inappropriate, just as they’re more likely to post an ad hominem response.

    Have you ever seen anybody act like this in real life? I think it goes to show that maybe our social constraints are only in place when we can see each other. A primal, sub-conscious fear of physical reprisal, perhaps?

    I guess people need to stop saying stupid stuff to antagonise, but also not be quite so ready with the pitchforks and torches.

    Here’s a test: Did you know that in England, not only do we burn faggots, but we eat them too?

    Let’s see who gets outraged without any research or context or indeed any knowledge of the English language.

  110. Unwashed Oilfan says:

    oliveoilers,

    Awesome!! There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying a ref was distracted by a pretty girl nor is there an issue with talking about beautiful women respectfully. Our wonderful host here graces us with a token beautiful women to oggle with every post!!

    With that being said, can we establish a line that we should not cross. I think if we remember back to our overhead Oklahoma girl we can use that image and the line not to cross would be saying something like Phil Kessel has bigger man boobs than Oklahoma girl. That is taking a beautiful image and making it a personal attack.

    Oh yeah, I love Oklahoma girl!!!

    EDIT!! If you miss her you can simply Google “overhead oklahoma girl cleavage” and it comes up. Or just look at my phone wallpaper, whatever!!

  111. Statsman says:

    Adam Wu:
    I think it is completely wrong to call a play like Eberle’s a “selfish” one. In this context, a goal seals a win for the team, and there is nothing selfish about trying to freaking win the game for your team.

    It’s a judgement call he has to make. If he scores, the game is over, the win is sealed. If he gains the line but no longer has a good shot, he kills some time off the clock, and makes it that much harder for the other team to come back, but the *win is not sealed*. Sealing the win right away is betterr FOR THE TEAM than just making it harder for the opponent to come back. He has to weigh that against his level of confidence in making the shot. Had he scored, there would be no criticism. Since he missed, he is open to criticism, but the criticism should be focused on execution and judgment.

    You could call it a “lazy” play, in that a little more effort to gain the line was not expended.

    You could call it a “cowardly” play, if gaining the line would have increased the risk of being hit.

    You could call it a “foolish” play, in that gaining the line first was the tactically superior option.

    But “selfish”? No, no, a thousand times no.

    I think that this discussion requires a little context.

    If it was a one-goal game, I might be more inclined to say that this was a selfish or foolish play.

    The fact is, the Oil were up by two at that time and, to me at least, that mitigates the risk of that play.

    I still think that he should have tried to reach the red line before his shot attempt., but he should not be persecuted to the same extent as if it were a closer game.

    Also, thanks to LT and all of you posters for making my life a little more enjoyable by providing the best forum on which to chat about hockey (or whiskey or music or finance).

    Merry Christmas and have a safe, happy holiday season.

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