OILERS NO. 20 PROSPECT (winter 2015): JOHN MARINO

John Marino is a smooth-skating defender who is miles away from the NHL. In choosing him for the final spot on the top 20, I have passed on slower skaters, small skill forwards, bigger men who lack skill (or haven’t proven they can deliver consistently) and the rest of the goalies. The needle in a haystack landed on Marino because the things he needs to do are possible and his foot speed should get him several chances.

PREVIOUSLY NO. 20 ON THE WINTER LIST

  • December 2004: C Mike Bishai (14) (GM: Kevin Lowe)
  • December 2005: L Geoff Paukovich (0) (GM: Kevin Lowe)
  • December 2006: D Cody Wild (0) (GM: Kevin Lowe)
  • December 2007: C Ryan O’Marra (33) (Trade. GM: Kevin Lowe)
  • December 2008: C Milan Kytnar (1) (GM: Kevin Lowe)
  • December 2009: L Slava Trukhno (0) (GM: Kevin Lowe)
  • December 2010: G Tyler Bunz (0) (GM: Steve Tambellini)
  • December 2011: C Ryan Martindale (0) (GM: Steve Tambellini)
  • December 2012: L Daniil Zharkov (0) (GM: Steve Tambellini)
  • December 2013: R Jackson Houck (0) (GM: Craig MacTavish)
  • December 2014: D Brad Hunt (14) (FA Signing. GM: Craig MacTavish)

At number 20, we have exactly what one might expect: A picture of what is beyond the last chance Texaco. None of the men listed here had a real NHL career.

MARINO CAPTURE

WHAT THEY SAID ON DRAFT DAY

  • The Scouting Report: John is a smooth skating offensive defenseman…Good size…Is a play making defensenman…Has great poise with the puck…Has the ability to run our powerplay.
  • The Black Book: He’s a strong, smooth skater with good lateral movement and ability to rush the puck up ice. His gap control is underrated and he has a very good stick. He’s a possession defender than can carry the puck, hold on to it and keep opposing forwards to the perimeter.
  • ISS: Good two-way defender who shows upside in all situations and a work ethic to improve his game.
  • Future Consderations: Marino is a mobile, offensive-minded defenseman. In any of the three zones, he loves the puck on his stick. In his own zone, he likes to rush the puck and while he moves well, he is more effective passing the puck up the ice as he sees the ice well and hits his teammates in stride.
  • John Marino: “I talked to them a little, so I had a good idea that they might be interested. They were one of the teams that I talked to most often, too.” Source
  • Jeff Cox: Some have questioned his play in the defensive zone, but he’s gotten much better at coverage in his own zone and has a good stick. He doesn’t have the biggest frame, and could definitely stand to put on some added weight, but he does a nice job of containment and maximizes his physical tools. Pound-for-pound, he’s as solid as they come. Source

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PREVIOUS TOP 20 RANKING

  • Summer 2015: No. 28
  • Winter 2015: No. 20

2015-16

  • John Marino: “I’d say I’m quick at transitions, — going from backwards to forwards — going to get the puck in the corners, (bringing a) higher intensity for sure, and (making) quicker decisions overall.” Source
  • Lowetide: Showed some nice flashes offensively, good speed and a nice shot. Got involved physically, too. You could see his age being a slight issue, but overall a nice job. Sourc
  • According to TSN’s Scott Cullen, there is a 16 percent chance Marino will play 100 NHL games and a four percent chance he will emerge as a top 4D. Source
  • John Marino: “The season’s been good so far. It’s going pretty well. We were off to a hot start. We’ve kind of trailed off a little bit, but I don’t think that’s going to be an issue.” Source
  • The Hockey News: Has a projectable frame, an excellent skating stride and above-average puck skills. Should eventually play at well over 200 pounds at the professional level when he finishes filling out. His right-handedness adds more value. Source

THE FUTURE

It is important to keep in mind that Marino—despite being chosen in the sixth round—has an impressive resume and was selected in a deep draft. When I saw him at the orientation camp, the thing that kept shining through was his skating ability. We are many miles away, but he is 18, heading to a good program (Harvard) and his USHL numbers (22gp, 1-11-12) compare favorably to William Lagesson (52gp, 2-14-16) and Jeff Petry (48gp, 1-14-15) at the same age (era bias alert on Petry). We are talking about a long shot, but unlike the men we will discuss tomorrow (I will have 21-30 up at noon and 31-40 at 5pm) he has the tools we associate with future success and the intelligence to learn the things that will take him to the NHL.

THE 2015 DRAFT

  • Connor McDavid, No. 1 overall. Incredible talent took about four games to kick out the jams. He is still recovering from injury, Oilers fans will receive a second Christmas day when he returns. No. 1 prospect, Winter 2015.
  • D Caleb Jones, No. 117 overall. The smooth skating defender has been a revelation, displaying a nice range of skills in his early WHL career. No. 13 prospect, Winter 2015.
  • D Ethan Bear, No. 124 overall. Surprised he fell as he did in this year’s draft (Button had him third round, I had him second). Either way, he’s an Oilers prospect and things are progressing very well. No. 9 prospect, Winter 2015.
  • D John Marino, No. 154 overall. Mobile offensive defender had an immediate impact with Tri-City Storm of the USHL. No. 20 prospect, Winter 2015.
  • G Miroslav Svoboda, No. 208 overall. Struggled in the Cze-2 league early but recent efforts have been very strong. A trade in-season seems to have helped him.
  • D Ziyat Paigin, No. 209 overall. A transfer to Sochi unlocked this player and he has been playing a feature role. One of several defensive picks from this draft who are tracking very well. No. 15 prospect, Winter 2015.

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20 Responses to "OILERS NO. 20 PROSPECT (winter 2015): JOHN MARINO"

  1. jfry says:

    i haven’t been able to keep up on the comments this week. So, sorry if this has been covered… have we learned anything about yakimov’s return to the KHL?

    thanks.

  2. Lowetide says:

    jfry:
    i haven’t been able to keep up on the comments this week. So, sorry if this has been covered… have we learned anything about yakimov’s return to the KHL?

    thanks.

    Nothing beyond all signs point to it. I expect we will see a trade to add an AHL center shortly after the trade freeze.

  3. D says:

    Got to respect you working/posting on Christmas Eve LT. Hope you enjoyed an eggnog or three as well.

  4. leadfarmer says:

    Saying you know a city because you played in a hockey tournament there is like saying you’ve been to a city when you just had a layover at the airport.

  5. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer:
    Saying you know a city because you played in a hockey tournament there is like saying you’ve been to a city when you just had a layover at the airport.

    Probably why he said ‘a bit’ in regard to Edmonton. Cool little wrinkle on the player.

  6. Seismic Source says:

    Off topic and maybe already mentioned. NHL.com has Hall ranked tenth in their top 200 fantasy rankings. Is this fair? I don’t really think so.

    1. Jamie Benn, LW, DAL
    2. Patrick Kane, C/RW, CHI
    3. Tyler Seguin, C/RW, DAL
    4. Alex Ovechkin, LW/RW, WSH
    5. Vladimir Tarasenko, RW, STL
    6. Evgeni Malkin, C/RW, PIT
    7. Sidney Crosby, C, PIT (DTD)
    8. Claude Giroux, C/RW, PHI
    9. Erik Karlsson, D, OTT
    10. Taylor Hall, C/LW, EDM

    Giroux sure gets a lot of love.

  7. Магия 10 says:

    Seismic Source: 10. Taylor Hall, C/LW, EDM

    Big jump up from his 27th place in the 2016 all star vote.

  8. Genjutsu says:

    As much as this past draft was maligned by some it seems to be tracking very well.

    Early days to be sure however I’m very optimistic about the picks that have been made.

    Also not sure why so many people are so down on Griffen Reinhardt. Very few big defencemen are productive NHL players at his age.

    D usually take longer. Big men usually take longer.

    It’s so Oilers fans to be giving up on a player this early.

  9. Stud Muffin says:

    Would you think I’m crazy if I said I like Marino more than Bear?

  10. Ryan says:

    Genjutsu:
    As much as this past draft was maligned by some it seems to be tracking very well.

    Early days to be sure however I’m very optimistic about the picks that have been made.

    Also not sure why so many people are so down on Griffen Reinhardt. Very few big defencemen are productive NHL players at his age.

    D usually take longer. Big men usually take longer.

    It’s so Oilers fans to be giving up on a player this early.

    Reinhart’s something like 17th in NHL games played by dmen from his draft year.

    I wouldn’t say people have given up on him so much as expectations for him are not very high and the trade that looked bad at the time only continues to look worse today.

  11. Genjutsu says:

    Ryan: Reinhart’s something like 17th in NHL games played by dmen from his draft year.

    I wouldn’t say people have given up on him so much as expectations for him are not very high and the trade that looked bad at the time only continues to look worse today.

    Players don’t develope at the same speed. Most of those D are smaller and are not shut down players.

  12. Genjutsu says:

    Which of those players do you think could have been gotten for that package of picks?

  13. godot10 says:

    Somewhat comparables in terms of draft position and development time to Reinhart. A non-comprehensive list…just some inebriated brainstorming late on a Christmas Eve.

    Karl Alzner.
    Brooks Orpik
    Brayden Coburn
    Ken Daneyko.
    Collin White
    Bryan Allen
    Rod Langway (faster development, but not extremely so).
    Tim Gleason.
    Jeff Beukeboom

    Adam Foote had no one blocking him on a horrid Nordique squad.

  14. Genjutsu says:

    Ryan: Reinhart’s something like 17th in NHL games played by dmen from his draft year.

    I wouldn’t say people have given up on him so much as expectations for him are not very high and the trade that looked bad at the time only continues to look worse today.

    I had quick look. The list of players with any significant more NHL time is about 8.

    They are all, to best of my knowledge, smaller players.

    Let’s try and bring facts and move the discussion forward in the future shall we?

  15. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    leadfarmer:
    Saying you know a city because you played in a hockey tournament there is like saying you’ve been to a city when you just had a layover at the airport.

    .. if you were a pilot, yes.

  16. BONVIE says:

    Yeah I was thinking if there is already 17 Defenseman from that draft year 2012 with more than 20 NHL games that is one hell of a draft year. Reinhart is 21 that is pretty young to have already taken a full time roster spot on an NHL team.

    2012 was a pretty solid draft year for blue liners.

  17. Fog of Warts says:

    Safe-driving everyone who slept or slept not, with a happy, belated sozzled solstice & a merry decorative paper / 60 (with only minors bestowed for slashing, tearing, gnawing & shredding).

  18. Ryan says:

    Genjutsu: I had quick look. The list of players with any significant more NHL time is about 8.

    They are all, to best of my knowledge, smaller players.

    Let’s try and bring facts and move the discussion forward in the future shall we?

    Jonathan Willis already did all of the hard work.

    http://oilersnation.com/2015/12/1/griffin-reinhart-needs-to-win-a-job-with-the-edmonton-oilers-soon

  19. GCW_69 says:

    godot10:
    Somewhat comparables in terms of draft position and development time to Reinhart. A non-comprehensive list…just some inebriated brainstorming late on a Christmas Eve.

    Karl Alzner.
    Brooks Orpik
    Brayden Coburn
    Ken Daneyko.
    Collin White
    Bryan Allen
    Rod Langway (faster development, but not extremely so).
    Tim Gleason.
    Jeff Beukeboom

    Adam Foote had no one blocking him on a horrid Nordique squad.

    The oilers defence is got a fair amount of horrid in it. I find it amusing that most people lament the state of the Oilers defence but then I see people imply or state depth is an issue holding Reinhart back. Gryba, Schultz, and Fayne, as well as Nikitin, are all vulnerable to being passed by a defender showing quality. That Reinhart hasn’t pushed them should be a concern given where he was drafted. At the same time, while it should be a concern, it’s too early to write off the player. Next season will be a big year. If he isn’t firmly in a bottom pair role at that point, then we can pull out the bust talk. Until then, let’s keep to just nervous…

    Also, going back pay 2001 is risky when searching for comparables. The game had changed too much.

  20. godot10 says:

    GCW_69: The oilers defence is got a fair amount of horrid in it. I find it amusing that most people lament the state of the Oilers defence but then I see people imply or state depth is an issue holding Reinhart back.Gryba, Schultz, and Fayne, as well as Nikitin, are all vulnerable to being passed by a defender showing quality.That Reinhart hasn’t pushed them should be a concern given where he was drafted.At the same time, while it should be a concern, it’s too early to write off the player.Next season will be a big year.If he isn’t firmly in a bottom pair role at that point, then we can pull out the bust talk. Until then, let’s keep to just nervous…

    Also, going back pay 2001 is risky when searching for comparables. The game had changed too much.

    Ference is guarenteed a roster spot. NMC.
    Gryba was brought in by the new GM to be a 3rd pairing D, and they need to make a decision on him. UFA.
    Schultz, pending RFA, they have to make a decision on him.
    Davidson, can’t clear waivers, and is a good prospect.

    Nurse beat Reinhart out of a spot.

    Reinhart can clear waivers, and they don’t have to make a decision on him, so they can let him marinate some more in the AHL. In his short stint, Reinhart was a bit hesitant in his decision making which meant he appeared slow (which he isn’t). Musil is slow.

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