G39 2015-16: DUCKS AT OILERS

The Edmonton Oilers are 0-2-1 in their trip through the Pacific, with the Ducks and the Coyotes still to come this week. It looks dire now, and with so many injuries, if the team is going to tailspin this looks like a very strong place to start. If they can find a way to struggle through and wake up on Klefbom/McDavid day within reach of the playoffs, I think they have a chance to do it. Godspeed, men.

DAY AFTER DAY, YEAR AFTER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-5-1
  • Oilers after 38 in 2014-15: 8-22-8, 24 points (-55 GD)
  • Oilers after 38 in 2015-16: 15-20-3, 33 points (-21 GD)

G39 last season saw another point on the big board as Todd Nelson’s Oilers lost 2-1 in a shootout. This was a period (as you may recall) where the shot differential was going the wrong way while the points were coming in on a more regular basis. The world is turning as it should, but the hockey Gods enjoy laughter and confusion.

DEFENSE 2015-16

OILERS DEFENSE OVER SEASON

Brandon Davidson is back if the good lord willin’ and the creek don’t rise, I would not hesitate to move Brad Hunt to the PB but you may have another candidate. I would run:

  • Sekera—Fayne
  • Davidson—Schultz
  • Nurse—Gryba

but really I am just happy Todd McLellan used Fayne in the top 4D the other night. You could also run Davidson with Sekera and then Nurse—Fayne but we’ll see. Lots of things possible. Eric Gryba was not on the ice at practice yesterday, so there is that, too.

CENTER 2015-16

oilers centers over season

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins continues to improve that 5×5/60 number, he has improved from 1.14 at the end of November. When McDavid returns, RNH could lose both linemates (McDavid between Pouliot and Eberle may be the play, especially with Yakupov out) and move up to the Leon line. I don’t like that move (did at one time) because Purcell has earned top 6F minutes and that line works as is.

WINGS, 2015-16

oil forwards over season

  • We should see four wingers over 2.00/60 at 5×5 by the end of the season, as Eberle plus Pouliot push to join Hall and Purcell. Yakupov isn’t miles away, either.
  • If you had to trade one of those five, who would it be?
  • And, if you had to add one winger for the ‘unicorn’ three scoring lines, who would it be? Maybe it’s Lander. If Slepyshev was doing more in Bakersfield, I would suggest him. Of course, in any of these conversations now, we have to include Zack Kassian.
  • Todd McLellan is mentioned as not wanting an offensive center for the third line by Matty here, he has passed along the same thing via Jason Gregor. For me, that would indicate that one of Purcell, Eberle or Yakupov won’t be back (why have a purely offensive winger on the third line, better off with a Pouliot imo).
  • Korpikoski-Letestu-Hendricks are all signed next year, would you be cool if that is the 4line? They will cost $6.15M, about eight percent of the overall cap. Cool?

YEAR OVER YEAR, TEAM FANCIES

  • 2014-15 Corsi For 5×5 Percentage: 48.1 (No. 24)
  • 2015-16 Corsi For 5×5 Percentage: 48.4 (No. 20)
  • 2014-15 5×5 Goals For/60: 1.93 (No. 26)
  • 2015-16 5×5 Goals For/60: 2.12 (No. 14)
  • 2014-15 5×5 Goals Against/60: 2.91 (No. 30)
  • 2015-16 5×5 Goals Against/60: 2.74 (No. 29)
  • 2014-15 5×5 Goals For Percentage: 39.9 (No. 28)
  • 2014-15 5×5 Goals For Percentage: 43.6 (No. 29)

Improvement in both areas for and against, but overall the Oilers are still near the bottom. Some of the early gains have been given back since the Klefbom injury, perhaps we will see improvement when all hands are on deck. One area that has been critical? Calm feet and good outlet passing, two things Brandon Davidson brings to every shift.

davidson injury capture

DAVIDSON REL REL GONE

I am a Stone Alone (suspect, anyway) in regard to using CorsiRel for defensemen, and perhaps there will come a day when someone convinces me a new method delivers a better view. That said, I do not think we need to agree on method in order to arrive at the same conclusion: Davidson is emerging as a long-term solution. He is also part of an historic rookie group:

  1. C Connor McDavid 13, 5-7-12
  2. D Darnell Nurse 29, 2-5-7
  3. D Brandon Davidson 23, 2-3-5
  4. R Iiro Pakarinen 30, 3-2-5
  5. L Jujhar Khaira 9, 0-2-2
  6. L Anton Slepyshev 11, 0-1-1
  7. D Griffin Reinhart 12, 0-0-0

This comes on the heels of Draisaitl-Klefbom as rookies last season and represents a cluster that will eventually overtake the Hall cluster on this roster (already has in terms of planning). Davidson’s emergence is going to force Peter Chiarelli to re-think his defense and that may mean moving one of the young lefties. Klefbom and Nurse have the look of major players for the long haul, so we are back to the Griffin Reinhart trade. I don’t think it reasonable to even discuss having two left-handed pairings:

  • Klefbom—Sekera
  • Nurse—Hamonic
  • Reinhart—Davidson

I don’t think Todd McLellan would see that as ideal, and that probably means a deal. Griffin Reinhart would seem to be the odd man out, but perhaps Davidson’s value will be significant enough to use him instead. At this point, I wouldn’t trade Davidson full stop. Ridiculous value contract and he has those calm feet at 24.

Nice to see this young man playing so well, good hair or no. The Oilers spent a lot of assets on defensemen at the draft 2011+, seems to me they are going to have a strong push from some of these kids in the next few training camps.

mcdavid 1st goal capture

PREDICTIONS FOR 2016

Since everyone is doing it, thought I would throw this out there this morning: Predictions for the next 12 months.

  • Connor McDavid plays 49 games, scores 54 points and wins the Calder Trophy.
  • Taylor Hall is voted onto the Second All-Star Team (hey, it’s progress) and receives consideration for a major award.
  • The trade deadline will see the Oilers deal off Justin Schultz, Eric Gryba and Matt Hendricks, for more than expected return.
  • The Oilers will sign pending free agents Cam Talbot and Teddy Purcell.
  • Edmonton will solve their defensive problems via trade with the Islanders and place Travis Hamonic alongside either Darnell Nurse or Oscar Klefbom for the rest of the decade.
  • McDavid, Hall, Eberle, Nuge all return for 2016-17.
  • The Oilers once again trade most of their draft away, including the first-round selection.

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  1. LadiesloveSmid says:

    AsiaOil,

    RNH and Eberle still have tougher comp numbers than Hall-Draisaitl, right? I don’t know that I’d ever call what RNH plays “sub par competition”

  2. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I watched the ducks game live in Calgary the other day.

    Getzlaf is a bull. I’m always impressed with Draisaitl just showing his back to Dmen like “what are you gonna do about it?” but players hardly even try against Getzlaf.

    Vatanen is one hell of a defenceman. Guy can seriously handle the puck.

    Josh Manson is Dave’s kid and he is solid, got a mean streak like his dad (less so).

    Best luck will be against Stoner and Theodore. ANA’s D core is quality and growing, Larsson Montour and Theodore on the way

  3. Centre of attention says:

    I think it depends on what team Todd and the team is facing.

    A team like LA he might go power v power and try and get Hall & co against Kopitar and his line

    a different team he might be trying to take advantage of a weak bottom pairing on the enemy team.

    I think over all Hall and Nuge split the tough duties 50/50, some games Nuge gets it some games Hall gets it, with a slight edge to Hall.

    My 2 cents.

  4. square_wheels says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Jet us, I laughed so hard at that I spit out some Laphroig. I never spit out Laphroig.

  5. square_wheels says:

    Have we won a FO yet ?

  6. Centre of attention says:

    square_wheels:
    Have we won a FO yet ?

    Draisaitl did. Against Getzlaf.

  7. Yegfoundation says:

    Halfwise: I don’t think you can have it both ways. Your point that everyone should keep an open mind about every player is true, in kind of a “yeah, well sure” way. You then put a slug through your own argument’s foot when you pointed out how well / badly Nugent-Hopkins played that one game when you were paying close attention.

    I think you’re looking at the wrong end of the roster, frankly. Replace the worst players on the team with better players, position by position.After you’ve got rid of the sub-par players and the money is getting tight, replace the players who are low bang-for-the-buck with similar but cheaper players.

    Nuge is in play only in the unlikely situation where someone shows up to talk trade while offering a top-end talent who happens to be playing RD and has an equivalent contract.

    Reports are that PC offered Eberle for Hamonic. If true, that indicates that PC is willing to move an impact forward for a top defenceman. I’m suggesting I’d keep Eberle to pair with Connor and move Nuge instead.

    First option, of course, is to keep all my impact forwards and improve the D with draft picks or free agents but that may not be an enough.

  8. Ice Sage says:

    Cogs and Horcov can’t overcome the stain of Bieska and Kesler – Fuck the Ducks

  9. Centre of attention says:

    Schultz just bleeds shots against. Even when against the oppositions 4th line.

  10. square_wheels says:

    His stick broke because he’s an asshole !

  11. Lowetide says:

    Hall with a dumb play, Schultz is playing at a level I am not familiar.

  12. theres oil in virginia says:

    AsiaOil,

    What got yegfoundation in “hot water” was implying that the many of us “on this Blog simply reject any suggestion…”, as if we don’t think about our positions, but make up our minds based on how late the sun rose today. It’s similar to your statement about “group think”. A group of people agreeing about something does not necessarily constitute group-think. It’s essentially an ad-hominem attack, only against all people holding a different position, rather than just one.

    Furthermore, I find that many of your arguments on this issue are veiled in the appearance of “being supported by evidence”, except lacking the evidence part. For instance:

    RNH and Ebs have struggled this year against sub-par opposition

    You state it like it’s fact, but there are no numbers given to support this argument. Even worse, you demand of us to show you the evidence that your position is false, rather than you showing us the evidence to support your position:

    Please point to the shift charts over the past several weeks that show this to be untrue.

    I think you’ll find that your arguments carry much more weight with those of us dissenting if you start to support your arguments better. I certainly am capable of changing my mind, but I’m not going to do so simply because someone makes a claim.

    I’m glad you post here, even if it sounds like I’m not.

  13. square_wheels says:

    Centre of attention,

    He can’t close on his man, he leaves a gap then turns too late….it’s horrific how bad he’s playing.

    Confidence is that drained ?

    Sekera fighting it a bit as well. I plan to watch the wingers closer this game, starting to see the concerns from some that they are leaving the zone early and the D have few options.

  14. sliderule says:

    In the NHL you can slap a man on the wrist or hand and break both.

    No problem

    Shatter one of those plastic sticks and off to box.

  15. theres oil in virginia says:

    Yegfoundation: Reports are that PC offered Eberle for Hamonic.

    Does anyone have a source for that? I’m not sure I believe it.

  16. Yegfoundation says:

    AsiaOil:
    So we are resorting to conspiracy theories that dark forces are at work to besmirch young RNH’s reputation and force a trade to steal him from us. Seriously……….on an analytically inclined blog…….wtf?????

    RNH trade talk stems from some very simple and very obvious reasons. We have another two young centers who POTENTIALLY have a higher ceiling. Please tell me how this is untrue? RNH and Ebs have struggled this year against sub-par opposition and have been called out at least a couple of times by a veteran respected coach (not by name but we all know who he was talking about). Please inform us how this is false. RNH and Ebs no longer appear to be trusted this season to face the toughest opposition at home where we have last change – this is left to Hall and Drai. Please point to the shift charts over the past several weeks that show this to be untrue. Trade talk about RNH and Ebs is not unusual at all considering these factors and evil bad guys from out of town are not required.

    Yegfoundation – like any club there is a certain amount of group think here and you are saying uncomfortable things about a favorite son. There is a certain amount of cognitive dissonance going on in this place wrt RNH where strong beliefs are no longer being supported by evidence. This creates hostility directed against those pointing out the uncomfortable contradiction – and this is all to common in our world these days. You request (a very polite one I might add) was not received with open arms for this reason. Doesn’t mean you were wrong though – and keep it up

    Other than that – Happy New Year LT – and never change

    Thanks Asia, much appreciated.
    I was taken back a bit but not offended. Too many good folks on this blog, with a long track record of good dialogue. Over the years this blog has taught me some lessons about how to have productive conversations that ‘move the conversation forward’, and don’t offend.

  17. leadfarmer says:

    That stupid one gunner pressure has caused more penalties than turnovers

  18. AsiaOil says:

    Happy to be back cheering for the team I grew up with – felt like a long dark storm finally passed this summer with things finally going in the right direction. Not fast enough for some – but way better than it has been for ages. We likely go back a way – bet you and I were both sitting in the cheap seats at the old gardens watch Hendricks and Soetaert play. My thing with goalies goes way back 🙂

    Anyway – cheers and here’s to the good old days and better one’s to come.

    Lowetide: You too, Asia. I missed you when you were gone, and thrilled you are back.

  19. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Good shift by Gazdic

  20. leadfarmer says:

    Glad we have Gadzooks on this team to protect us from the Horcovs of the league

  21. square_wheels says:

    I think we’ve won a single FO this period and it was by accident.

    Huge issue.

  22. rich says:

    Well they didn’t score but that actually looked like a power play.

  23. Centre of attention says:

    Powerplay looked dangerous

  24. leadfarmer says:

    Finally they move the puck quick on the pp

  25. T0ML says:

    Im pretty sure I saw atleast 3 FO win by Drai alone vs. Getz……

    square_wheels:
    I think we’ve won a single FO this period and it was by accident.

    Huge issue.

  26. Centre of attention says:

    I’m lighting candles for a power play goal. Scored by somebody unexpected.

    Please join me.

  27. Lowetide says:

    The Oilers power play is beyond bad. It’s MacTavish!

  28. square_wheels says:

    Wow Nuge is just not handling the puck well…..

  29. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: CR to start

    anyone else try the “Northern Harvest”

    hilarious hype. not bad. not “best this year” by a long shot

  30. leadfarmer says:

    This team looks like they started drinking already. Like at noon.

  31. square_wheels says:

    Our FO inability will be another item one or both of our top 2 C will need to develop or posses.

    Asiaoil stirred things up with the Nuge dialogue, in fairness to him though, Nuge is picking a bad time to be going backwards with Chia “evaluating”.

    The FO % alone needs to be addressed, major issue in his game and this teams.

    Shit period.

  32. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide:
    The Oilers power play is beyond bad. It’s MacTavish!

    the first one was alright, Hall easily could of scored

  33. Lowetide says:

    square_wheels:
    Our FO inability will be another item one or both of our top 2 C will need to develop or posses.

    Asiaoil stirred things up with the Nuge dialogue, in fairness to him though, Nuge is picking a bad time to be going backwards with Chia “evaluating”.

    The FO % alone needs to be addressed, major issue in his game and this teams.

    Shit period.

    Nuge was 44% in the dot,5-4 in possession, skated miles, made one wonky pass and recovered. I think we have other issues.

  34. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    You guys are starting to sound like Kelly Hrudey holy smokes.

    It was a broken play that Getzlaf scored on and Gazdic (good save), Drai (should have taken it glove side), Nuge (bad time for a broken stick) and Eberle (missed net) all had chances in close (didn’t cash but the effort was there).

    That was a mediocre period but the Ducks didn’t shoot the lights out and are supposed to be a Stanley Cup team.

    Zeesh

    Injuries injuries injuries

    Calm down and back away from the ledge.

    Oh happy New Year!

  35. AsiaOil says:

    RNH and Ebs have been taking less of the toughs since CMD went down – and have certainly been protected to some degree since the last long road trip back east. Hall-Drai-Purcell have been taking most of the heat – and coach called out RNH and Ebs several times in the past few weeks after bad loses where that line got it’s teeth kicked in. This is a fact. Even in the few wins over the past weeks it’s been a problem – go watch the Winnepeg after game video. Hall flat out says he wanted to get out there – but coach held his line up until the Little line was on. How much more explicit do you need to be? TMac was matching Hall’s line PVP againt the top Winnipeg line – but RNH’s line got mauled possession wise by the others that night. Are you suggesting that didn’t happen?

    G-Money has stopped posting the corsi and fenwick numbers while he’s been away but it’s up on war on ice and elsewhere. RNH’s line has not been great this year, has had trouble with possession even against lesser opposition in many games recently, and has been called out by a veteran respected coach after several games over the past month. This will start talk. Nicholson’s poorly thought out remarks after the TOR game didn’t help – but the whole org got embarrassed that night in a very visible way.

    Look this conversation has become boring – I watch the games and check the possession numbers every night – and have no desire to trade good players. But there’s been an issue with the 2nd line’s play many nights this season after CMD went down and pretending it doesn’t exist won’t make it go away. In my opinion it will all quiet down after RNH goes back up to play with Hall after CMD comes back – but the time since CMD’s injury was a period for players to make a statement. Some guys rose to the occasion (Hall, Drai, Purcell, Sekera, Klef, even Davidson) but some guy’s didn’t. Coach and GM will not overlook this even if some fans do.

    theres oil in virginia,

  36. jake70 says:

    Fox guys on the anaheim feed – “every time Justin Schultz on the ice, the ducks playing keep away” – not exact words but you get the idea.

  37. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    Yes, I think winning an ozone FO on a PP is one of those other issues.

    Showing up ready to play another obvious one.

    Nuge bobbled 3 neutral zone pucks, he’s fighting it, I think the whole team is though.

    But when it comes to FO’s, its when you win, as much as the important statistical 50+%. Too often were chasing pucks against the league #3 FO team.

    Next up, the second period.

  38. Lowetide says:

    square_wheels:
    Lowetide,

    Yes, I think winning an ozone FO on a PP is one of those other issues.

    Showing up ready to play another obvious one.

    Nuge bobbled 3 neutral zone pucks, he’s fighting it, I think the whole team is though.

    But when it comes to FO’s, its when you win, as much as the important statistical 50+%. Too often were chasing pucks against the league #3 FO team.

    Next up, the second period.

    Faceoffs are one thing in many. Nuge is 22! Folks, you are overreacting on this player. Badly! I am going to save these posts and run them next year. Edmonton Oilers fans just have to have a whipping boy. Incredible.

  39. Yegfoundation says:

    square_wheels:
    Our FO inability will be another item one or both of our top 2 C will need to develop or posses.

    Asiaoil stirred things up with the Nuge dialogue, in fairness to him though, Nuge is picking a bad time to be going backwards with Chia “evaluating”.

    The FO % alone needs to be addressed, major issue in his game and this teams.

    Shit period.

    Agreed, that Asia is always dropping in to stir the pot. Wish he’s stop that. Jerk.

  40. T0ML says:

    For the record. 7 wins of 11 Taken for Drai … far from none …

  41. jp says:

    Haha. Draisaitl 7-4 in the dot that period…

  42. 31saves says:

    I feel as though Kevin Quinn and drew remenda secretly hate each other.. They talk as though they are faking a smile the ENTIRE time

  43. leadfarmer says:

    Why do they show that stat. Now cue the Kessler goal

  44. Lowetide says:

    31saves:
    I feel as though Kevin Quinn and drew reminds secretly hate each other.. They talk as though they are faking a smile the ENTIRE time

    I sometimes wonder about their talking points. Schultz is a genius apparently.

  45. AsiaOil says:

    Did I just see Hunt put a duck on his ass in front of the net that shift – taking notes Shultz 🙂

  46. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Anaheim just refused, like 3 times to dump it in. THey felt neutral zone pressure and just circled back several times until they had a controlled entry. amazing.

  47. Lowetide says:

    Todd McLellan moving Nuge up, allowing Leon to slide down. This is something that can happen when you have cover. Not so much when you don’t.

  48. jake70 says:

    Anaheim guys talking up Davidson.

  49. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    Seeing him underachieve is ok, I love this player and have complete faith in his return to the Witch I know he is. He’s struggling but the skill/will is still there.

    Any team in pro sports that’s endured what we have will always be whipping someone until our prayers are answered.

    I point it out, his struggles, because I want to understand what’s ailing him and figure it out. He should be driving right now, he’s not. I’m hoping he’s got a mild injury that’s plaguing him because this isn’t the player I know.

    The true concern is how Tmac and Chia will respond, they could easily see him as not the answer long term, as Asia was more eloquently trying to debate. This is the conference of death for small players.

    We wait.

  50. Yegfoundation says:

    AsiaOil:
    RNH and Ebs have been taking less of the toughs since CMD went down – and have certainly been protected to some degree since the last long road trip back east. Hall-Drai-Purcell have been taking most of the heat – and coach called out RNH and Ebs several times in the past few weeks after bad loses where that line got it’s teeth kicked in. This is a fact.Even in the few wins over the past weeks it’s been a problem – go watch the Winnepeg after game video. Hall flat out says he wanted to get out there – but coach held his line up until the Little line was on. How much more explicit do you need to be? TMac was matching Hall’s line PVP againt the top Winnipeg line – but RNH’s line got mauled possession wise by the others that night. Are you suggesting that didn’t happen?

    G-Money has stopped posting the corsi and fenwick numbers while he’s been away but it’s up on war on ice and elsewhere. RNH’s line has not been great this year, has had trouble with possession even against lesser opposition in many games recently, and has been called out by a veteran respected coach after several games over the past month. This will start talk. Nicholson’s poorly thought out remarks after the TOR game didn’t help – but the whole org got embarrassed that night in a very visible way.

    Look this conversation has become boring – I watch the games and check the possession numbers every night – and have no desire to trade good players. But there’s been an issue with the 2nd line’s play many nights this season after CMD went down and pretending it doesn’t exist won’t make it go away. In my opinion it will all quiet down after RNH goes back up to play with Hall after CMD comes back – but the time since CMD’s injury was a period for players to make a statement. Some guys rose to the occasion (Hall, Drai, Purcell, Sekera, Klef, even Davidson) but some guy’s didn’t. Coach and GM will not overlook this even if some fans do.

    theres oil in virginia,

    Very well said. And then the question becomes why has the Nuge/Eberle/Pou line struggled?

  51. AsiaOil says:

    Yeah fuck that guy – just a shit disturber.

    Yegfoundation: Agreed, that Asia is always dropping in to stir the pot.Wish he’s stop that.Jerk.

  52. Lowetide says:

    square_wheels:
    Lowetide,

    Seeing him underachieve is ok, I love this player and have complete faith in his return to the Witch I know he is. He’s struggling but the skill/will is still there.

    Any team in pro sports that’s endured what we have will always be whipping someone until our prayers are answered.

    I point it out, his struggles, because I want to understand what’s ailing him and figure it out. He should be driving right now, he’s not. I’m hoping he’s got a mild injury that’s plaguing him because this isn’t the player I know.

    The true concern is how Tmac and Chia will respond, they could easily see him as not the answer long term, as Asia was more eloquently trying to debate.This is the conference of death for small players.

    We wait.

    I think most of the issue is linemates coming back from injury. Eberle and Pouliot are building, though, improving as time goes on. Suspect the second half of the year could be good. Nice play by Pouliot.

  53. Yegfoundation says:

    Lowetide: I think most of the issue is linemates coming back from injury. Eberle and Pouliot are building, though, improving as time goes on. Suspect the second half of the year could be good. Nice play by Pouliot.

    Is it within the realm of possibility that at 22, the Nuge isn’t yet cable of driving possession on his line? And if so, is it possible he may not get there? The young center has always had very good to excellent wingers with this stretch being an exception as Ebs. Pou get back to game pace.

  54. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    Yes. But why all the smoke, you’d think the coaching staff would run cover for him ?

    really liking Korps game these days, moving his feet he’s always effective on the forecheck.

    Too bad about Pak.

  55. AsiaOil says:

    Agree that’s part of it.

    Lowetide: I think most of the issue is linemates coming back from injury. Eberle and Pouliot are building, though, improving as time goes on. Suspect the second half of the year could be good. Nice play by Pouliot.

  56. Lowetide says:

    Yegfoundation: Is it within the realm of possibility that at 22, the Nuge isn’t yet cable of driving possession on his line?And if so, is it possible he may not get there?The young center has always had very good to excellent wingers with this stretch being an exception as Ebs. Pou get back to game pace.

    Sure. You STILL don’t trade him until Leon and McDavid are ready. This is basic stuff. Honestly.

  57. square_wheels says:

    I can’t wait for Kassian to go after Perry, few players need a beating as bad as he does.

  58. Lowetide says:

    Talbot made an incredible save there.

  59. Centre of attention says:

    Talbot with a series of saves I’ll remember for quite some time.

    Remember that set of saves when you look at the ending score tonight.

  60. Gerta Rauss says:

    oh dear

    Talbot

  61. LostBoy says:

    There are a worrying number of pairs of OIler legs not moving a lot tonight.

    We’ll see what happens, but this really isn’t what I was expecting.

    Some passengers.

  62. JDï™ says:

    These Kesslers are making me thirsty.

  63. El Duderino says:

    Centre, you’re a decent enough writer except for using “could of” , “should of” and so on. This is incorrect grammar which makes me grind my teeth. I am not the first one on this site to have pointed this out to you. Please, it’s just one simple change which I’m sure you’re up to.

  64. Professor Q says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: anyone else try the “Northern Harvest”

    hilarious hype. not bad. not “best this year” by a long shot

    I would definitely say it is the best of this year. It was great.

    A 90% rye that is smooth and tastes like a non-smoked Scotch? Yes, please.

    It raised the profile of Canadian rye by a lot.

    And you have to remember that it was also selling out extremely quickly in the months BEFORE being praised as the best in the year in Jim Murray’s Whisky Bible. He didn’t make the hype – it was already there and he simply accelerated it.

  65. T0ML says:

    Nice sequence going now … Hard to tell, is Tmac changing up the lines fully right now? Or was that just a broken line change with really good pressure ?

  66. Yegfoundation says:

    Lowetide: Sure. You STILL don’t trade him until Leon and McDavid are ready. This is basic stuff. Honestly.

    I don’t think it is basic. I think it’s very important for PC to determine which impact forwards are ‘don’t trade players’ that he’s going to build a cup team around, and which impact forwards are ‘potential trade but wait for the right time/right deal players’. If Nuge is a ‘wait for the right deal’ player than PC needs to determine that so he’s prepared if the opportunity comes up to cash Nuge for a top pairing defenceman and than acquire another center.

  67. Centre of attention says:

    El Duderino:
    Centre, you’re a decent enough writer except for using “could of” , “should of” and so on.This is incorrect grammar which makes me grind my teeth. I am not the first one on this site to have pointed this out to you. Please, it’s just one simple change which I’m sure you’re up to.

    I have no idea what you’re talking about.

  68. Gerta Rauss says:

    LostBoy:
    There are a worrying number of pairs of OIler legs not moving a lot tonight.

    We’ll see what happens, but this really isn’t what I was expecting.

    Some passengers.

    I’d agree with this

    This 2nd period hasn’t been zombie apocalypse like we’ve seen lately but the Oilers haven’t shown much of anything, really

  69. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    But I thought the plan was to maximize Leon and CMD’s entry level deals, does Nuge offer enough shelter ? We talked all summer about running vets above/with them but we don’t have any vets that can do much of anything offensively at centre.

    That’s the root of this debate, no ?

    I think we’re “whipping” someone knowing that Chia isn’t likely going to sit back and watch those cheap years go to waste. It’s bloody awful and so Oilers that our best centre is 22.

    Soon to be 32 yr old C/RW David Backes would sure look good providing some cover, I think that’s The kind of player we should be adding.

    Wow, second period scoreless !!!!!! Progress.

  70. T0ML says:

    Looks like the wonder kid line is back? Hall – Nuge – Ebs …. interested to see if it stays the rest of the game

  71. Professor Q says:

    Yegfoundation: I don’t think it is basic.I think it’s very important for PC to determine which impact forwards are ‘don’t trade players’ that he’s going to build a cup team around, and which impact forwards are ‘potential trade but wait for the right time/right deal players’.If Nuge is a ‘wait for the right deal’ player than PC needs to determine that so he’s prepared if the opportunity comes up to cash Nuge for a top pairing defenceman and than acquire another center.

    If Nuge was traded, would Yakimov come back after the World Championships?

  72. Lowetide says:

    Yegfoundation: I don’t think it is basic.I think it’s very important for PC to determine which impact forwards are ‘don’t trade players’ that he’s going to build a cup team around, and which impact forwards are ‘potential trade but wait for the right time/right deal players’.If Nuge is a ‘wait for the right deal’ player than PC needs to determine that so he’s prepared if the opportunity comes up to cash Nuge for a top pairing defenceman and than acquire another center.

    You canNOT make decisions in small sample sizes. You will die.

  73. Yegfoundation says:

    Professor Q,

    Yak is too far as a prospect to provide cover if Nuge was moved IMO.

  74. Ice Sage says:

    Oilers (sort of) survive their 2nd period nemesis – thanks Cam!
    Balls to the wall in the 3rd – close 2015 with authority, boyz

  75. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention: I have no idea what you’re talking about.

    Me either. Keep doing what you’re doing, I understand you just fine.

  76. square_wheels says:

    56% in the FO circle is why we survived that period.

  77. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: Me either. Keep doing what you’re doing, I understand you just fine.

    What do you think of Todd putting the old band back together? Good idea or no?

  78. square_wheels says:

    Calgary down 3-0……so it’s not just us getting our teeth kicked in.

  79. Centre of attention says:

    square_wheels:
    56% in the FO circle is why we survived that period.

    Cam Talbot is the reason this game isn’t 2-0 or 3-0 in the Ducks favor. Face offs are pretty much a wash because the Oilers have developed a knack for turning it over soon after gaining possession.

  80. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention: What do you think of Todd putting the old band back together? Good idea or no?

    I think he is fishing at this point. Zero doubt in my mind that every coach (Ralph, Dallas, Todd, Todd) wonders aloud why this isn’t working better, and quicker. There is zero doubt (imo) about the talent here, they are splendid hockey players. Todd McLellan fishing is probably a bad sign, though.

  81. Yegfoundation says:

    Lowetide: You canNOT make decisions in small sample sizes. You will die.

    Fully agree regarding the small sample size, and my bias is to agree with the big brains on this site who suggest not to consider trading Nuge. However, as a check down to ask myself what’s wrong with the second line, I look for long term results to prove to me that Nuge is a ‘can’t move player’. And, as I check down, I observe that he’s had excellent wingers his entire career and it’s possible he’s not the driver on his line. And, I also observe that the other impact forward who’s being suggested as a potential trading chip, Eberle, has a proven track record of offensive performance. I then conclude, based on what I know today, that if I’m PC I consider moving the Nuge befoe I move Eberle.

  82. Lowetide says:

    Yegfoundation: Fully agree regarding the small sample size, and my bias is to agree with the big brains on this site who suggest not to consider trading Nuge.However, as a check down to ask myself what’s wrong with the second line, I look for long term results to prove to me that Nuge is a ‘can’t move player’.And, as I check down, I observe that he’s had excellent wingers his entire career and it’s possible he’s not the driver on his line.And, I also observe that the other impact forward who’s being suggested as a potential trading chip, Eberle, has a proven track record of offensive performance.I then conclude, based on what I know today, that if I’m PC I consider moving the Nuge befoe I move Eberle.

    Do you have a list of young centers, arriving at 18, who have turned the corner by 22? That might be helpful.

  83. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: I think he is fishing at this point. Zero doubt in my mind that every coach (Ralph, Dallas, Todd, Todd) wonders aloud why this isn’t working better, and quicker. There is zero doubt (imo) about the talent here, they are splendid hockey players. Todd McLellan fishing is probably a bad sign, though.

    I agree. I think that he should of maybe flipped Ebere/Purcell if anything, keep Hall-Drai pair together as well as Pou-Nuge.

    Consistency breeds confidence in my opinion.

  84. Professor Q says:

    Excellent “Rolling with the punches” wordplay.

  85. rich says:

    Ok, is it too much to ask for a goal from the good guys tonight?

  86. square_wheels says:

    Yegfoundation,

    Well, scoring goals requires a centre who can back check, collect the puck and break out from the d zone. Eberle has always gone as Nuge and Hall have gone.

    The only way we trade our current best centre is if we have an immediate replacement. I think in the off season we are going to see not just a major piece added to the D but a reframe of the Fwds and anyone not Hall, Leon and CMD is at risk.

    For now I just want to see Nuge succeed, back with his old mates might be the elixir as Drai is being exposed a bit against the deeper teams.

  87. Professor Q says:

    Yegfoundation:
    Professor Q,

    Yak is too far as a prospect to provide cover if Nuge was moved IMO.

    I meant if he’d feel as if he’d have more of a chance, and return to the AHL.

  88. Ice Sage says:

    Lowetide: I think he is fishing at this point. Zero doubt in my mind that every coach (Ralph, Dallas, Todd, Todd) wonders aloud why this isn’t working better, and quicker. There is zero doubt (imo) about the talent here, they are splendid hockey players. Todd McLellan fishing is probably a bad sign, though.

    Line 2 borrowing from line 1… the MacLender?

  89. square_wheels says:

    Eberle with the nice back check !

  90. Professor Q says:

    How was that NOT offside?!

  91. Yegfoundation says:

    Lowetide: Do you have a list of young centers, arriving at 18, who have turned the corner by 22? That might be helpful.

    No I don’t. My contribution on this blog is being ‘smart enough’ to ask the questions, but not smart enough to provide the answers.

    I’m not sure I fully understand the question. Young centers who arrive at 18 and turn the corner at 22? Could that be Seguin, Toews, Backstrom or am I misunderstanding the question?

  92. Centre of attention says:

    Nuge doesn’t even TOUCH Bieksa hahahaha

  93. Lowetide says:

    That was a horseshit call.

  94. square_wheels says:

    When’s the last time we’ve had a player everyone hates ?

    Ducks have 3.

    Huge kill.

  95. Lowetide says:

    Yegfoundation:
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  96. Gerta Rauss says:

    square_wheels: When’s the last time we’ve had a player everyone hates ?

    We traded for Kassian on Monday didn’t we..?

    And that includes the OIler fanbase..:)

  97. sliderule says:

    For those that think hitting doesn’t matter.

    If you hit you creat frustration and intimidation.

    Nuge retaliation penalty is an example.

  98. Professor Q says:

    Centre of attention:
    Nuge doesn’t even TOUCH Bieksa hahahaha

    Oh, he does hook him behind the knee. But Bieksa was all over him anyway and seemed to have taken a dive.

  99. Centre of attention says:

    Gibson is a wonderful goalie.

    Damnit.

  100. jp says:

    Yegfoundation: Fully agree regarding the small sample size, and my bias is to agree with the big brains on this site who suggest not to consider trading Nuge.However, as a check down to ask myself what’s wrong with the second line, I look for long term results to prove to me that Nuge is a ‘can’t move player’.And, as I check down, I observe that he’s had excellent wingers his entire career and it’s possible he’s not the driver on his line.And, I also observe that the other impact forward who’s being suggested as a potential trading chip, Eberle, has a proven track record of offensive performance.I then conclude, based on what I know today, that if I’m PC I consider moving the Nuge befoe I move Eberle.

    Nuge is 0.73 career PPG. Eberle is 0.78.

    Eberle has had excellent linemates his whole career just like Nuge has.

    Nuge plays a more difficult position (see how many times he’s defending behind the Oilers net and digging pucks out of the corner in the D zone).

    I’m not sure how different their offense is.

    Personally, I keep Nuge over Eberle with zero hesitation, but you obviously don’t have to agree. At the same time, Chia should listen to all offers – either player could be moved for the right return. But imo Nuge is the more valuable player by some margin.

  101. Professor Q says:

    square_wheels:
    When’s the last time we’ve had a player everyone hates ?

    Ducks have 3.

    Huge kill.

    Perry and the former Canucks? Surely they must have more…

  102. Centre of attention says:

    The Oilers need to fluke one in past Gibson. It just has to happen.

  103. leadfarmer says:

    All this offensive talent and none of them can get an inch of space

  104. Ice Sage says:

    Am liking Talbot’s Matrix-ing of rebounds.
    Agree, Oilers need a break here

  105. nelson88 says:

    Gerta Rauss: We traded for Kassian on Monday didn’t we..?

    And that includes the OIler fanbase..:)

    kassian is douche bag. can’t wait for him to arrive. this team needs about 3 more guys like nurse (skilled and plays with an edge) but maybe a DB like Kassian can give this team a pulse or at least piss the other team off enough that the Oilers have no choice but to respond. I am by no means a proponent of “goon” hockey.

    Khaira should be getting about 18 minutes tonight. Have really liked his game.

  106. danny says:

    Drai Poo line for the win?

  107. Lowetide says:

    Brandon Davidson 4-3 in 4:14 5×5 against Ryan Getlzaf. Like this guy.

  108. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer:
    All this offensive talent and none of them can get an inch of space

    Ducks are a good team with bad shooting percentage. Nothing about this game should surprise you. Great play Hunt on the 2-on-1.

  109. square_wheels says:

    At the 15 min mark of the first I jumped the gun, Leon dominating the FO circle tonight.

    Dang he’s gonna be a good C for a long time.

    Hunt breaks up a play, that’s what I need to see from Schultz or he sits before Hunt when Klef comes back.

  110. danny says:

    Alan, long time no speak. been lurking and getting back on my feet after a month in hospital. Things are looking up, and i’ve started your new website last week. Happy new years to you and everyone, thanks for everything you all bring to this community.

  111. Lowetide says:

    Brandon Davidson is a helluva player, really is.

  112. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    He’s been so good tonight. Made a play earlier in the period where there was no pass so he just zipped up his lane and rifled it in. Coaches love that.

    Smart player. More please.

  113. Lowetide says:

    danny:
    Alan, long time no speak. been lurking and getting back on my feet after a month in hospital. Things are looking up, and i’ve started your new website last week. Happy new years to you and everyone, thanks for everything you all bring to this community.

    THAT is the best news all night! Glad to hear, my friend.

  114. Gerta Rauss says:

    danny,

    Best wishes Danny

    Happy new year

  115. T0ML says:

    Im not even scared with Hunt out …. and I’m sober …. there are two things wrong here …..

  116. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    He seems to always make the right play, he’s taken Schultz’s minutes tonight, Hunt the remainder.

    19 hasn’t seen much (any?) ice this period.

  117. Centre of attention says:

    Hall is snake bitten pretty fierce. Its not like the Oilers are not generating chances.

  118. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide:
    Brandon Davidson is a helluva player, really is.

    He’s a nice problem to have for Chiarelli

    Lots of left handed D in the org – I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, it’s just well, lots of left handed D in the organization

  119. nelson88 says:

    Lowetide:
    Brandon Davidson is a helluva player, really is.

    +1. with how well he has performed as well as Khaira and Lander last year I wish they would give the young guys more opportunity. Yeah, not ideal but would much rather see Musil and GR up here than the Jultz, Fayne, NN horse shit over and over again.

  120. Ice Sage says:

    Centre of attention:
    Hall is snake bitten pretty fierce. Its not like the Oilers are not generating chances.

    Not really dangerous chances – soft sliders to Gibson. This is the Anaheim of last years SCF – they don’t bend at all.

  121. Lowetide says:

    Right now, the leader at 5×5 time against Getzlaf? Mark Letestu!

  122. Lowetide says:

    Oilers to the power play, that isn’t as good as you think it is.

  123. square_wheels says:

    come on boys

  124. Professor Q says:

    Hmm. Interesting.

  125. square_wheels says:

    Fuck

  126. Professor Q says:

    Great flub, Eberle.

  127. Lowetide says:

    0-1 final. Frustrating, but a lot of good things out of tonight.

  128. Centre of attention says:

    ugly loss but its not like they didn’t try

  129. Professor Q says:

    So stressful…

  130. jp says:

    Gheez. I kinda thought they were gonna score there.

    Not a good effort overall.

    Great game by Talbot though (and real nice to have Davidson back).

  131. square_wheels says:

    Poor Talbot, this is now at best a 1-4 home stand.

  132. Ice Sage says:

    Too bad.
    here’s to better in ’16

  133. Professor Q says:

    That hit to the hip looked ugly.

  134. nelson88 says:

    Lowetide:
    0-1 final. Frustrating, but a lot of good things out of tonight.

    Talbot. Not trying to be a dick but what else?

  135. danny says:

    nelson88: Talbot. Not trying to be a dick but what else?

    Calgary lost. Davidson looked good. Calgary lost. AND Calgary lost.

  136. Professor Q says:

    nelson88: Talbot. Not trying to be a dick but what else?

    Davidson, Schultz, Nurse, etc.

  137. Captain's Log says:

    Lowetide,

    Can you elaborate on the good things? I’m looking at the box and the score seems to flatter the Oilers. 0 for on the PP again, another PP goal against. Outshot in every frame including a ghastly 14-5 second period. Not a single good chance in the do-or-die 1:24 on the PP with the net empty to end the game.

    Talbot played well but that might be the only thing I see.

  138. Gerta Rauss says:

    That’s a good effort by Talbot that goes for naught

    This team is bleeding out the last 10 games, I hope this season still means something when McDavid et al return from injury

    Frustrating night

  139. Lowetide says:

    Mrs. Lowetide ”Why are the Oilers so shitty?” I welcome answers. 🙂

  140. Lowetide says:

    nelson88: Talbot. Not trying to be a dick but what else?

    I will have something up tomorrow. Brandon davidson is a nice start.

  141. Yegfoundation says:

    jp: Nuge is 0.73 career PPG. Eberle is 0.78.

    Eberle has had excellent linemates his whole career just like Nuge has.

    Nuge plays a more difficult position (see how many times he’s defending behind the Oilers net and digging pucks out of the corner in the D zone).

    I’m not sure how different their offense is.

    Personally, I keep Nuge over Eberle with zero hesitation, but you obviously don’t have to agree. At the same time, Chia should listen to all offers – either player could be moved for the right return. But imo Nuge is the more valuable player by some margin.

    Fair points. I give Eberle the edge based on what we’ve seen so far, but with Nuge being three years younger, no question he could still have another level in his development.

  142. square_wheels says:

    Captain’s Log,

    Davidson reminding us he’s a top 4 D. That’s one less problem going into 2016. Klef back hopefully soon then Mc D and Yak.

  143. jake70 says:

    Do Davidson’s numbers and the seen him good surpass Marinicin’s? Man I hope so. Would be found money.

  144. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    As much as we beat up the D, having to put Korp out there with the goalie pulled….speaks loudly.

    I don’t like our forward mix, not big enough, poor retrieval ability unless Hall is on the ice hounding D. We are setup for a neutral zone carry in attack.

    LA, Ana, Phx and even Cgy and Van don’t bend in the neutral zone.

    We should be dumping and retrieving sometimes but don’t have the horses.

  145. nelson88 says:

    Professor Q: Davidson, Schultz, Nurse, etc.

    schultz?! i think the fact our $3.9M “offensive” D managed one shot on net and more importantly won the occasional puck battle without having a cringe inducing brain cramp that ended up in the back of our net speaks to how low the bar has been set.

    not being a dick. we are Oiler fans and have been conditioned to accept that mediocrity.

    I do agree with Davidson and Nurse. Thought Khaira played well in limited minutes and Sekera was his normal steady self.

    Past midnight here so a very happy new year to all!! I look forward to LT’s glass half full report cheering me up tomorrow.

  146. Lowetide says:

    square_wheels:
    Lowetide,

    As much as we beat up the D, having to put Korp out there with the goalie pulled….speaks loudly.

    I don’t like our forward mix, not big enough, poor retrieval ability unless Hall is on the ice hounding D. We are setup for a neutral zone carry in attack.

    LA, Ana, Phx and even Cgy and Van don’t bend in the neutral zone.

    We should be dumping and retrieving sometimes but don’t have the horses.

    The forwards are excellent, I would be fine with this group again. Emotional responses to single games are death. Seriously. They lost 1-0 to a very good, veteran team. Work to do, but this team is worth your emotional investment.

  147. square_wheels says:

    My kids insist on watching this Seacrest nonsense, but Whitney Cummings is on the panel. She’s inappropriate and hilarious, soooo small victories.

  148. AsiaOil says:

    We’re close – you can see it. Elite forwards all over the place but none on defense. Need balance and a top pair guy who can generate offense. If it costs RNH I’m willing, if it costs Ebs I’m happier, if Buff signs as a UFA I’m buying drinks. But one way or another that guy is the key to push everyone including Sekera down a notch. Goal will be fine but with plenty of bumps along the way (be prepared). Need another big tough guy on RW for top 6. Kassian? Who knows – he’s the type – but lifestyle problems are not trivial. Would like an Okposo to go along with a rehabbed Kassian and Yak.

  149. LostBoy says:

    My take on tonight is that there was a certain amount of passivity baked in to the game plan, due to the sad old-school trap the Ducks are turtled down in right now.

    But it led to the wrong kind of passivity. The first five minutes set the tone, a lot of tentative two-strides-then-coast watching going on.

    There were good things, but this team didn’t resemble the team that played the first period against the Kings.

  150. sliderule says:

    Horcoff gets a penalty for boarding Gazdic

    He should be afraid for his life to do that.

    Maroon gets into Gazdics face with no worries

    I don’t want Gazdic to fight but he rolls over when he should be building up his team.

    If he can’t do that bring up Kessy.

  151. danny says:

    We need to sign/trade for a top pairing guy. Nurse will be the other top pairing guy in ’17-18.

    Sekera / Klefbom 2nd pairing? yes please.
    Davidson 3rd pairing? Niiiice.

  152. Professor Q says:

    nelson88: schultz?! i think the fact our $3.9M “offensive” D managed one shot on net and more importantly won the occasional puck battle without having a cringe inducing brain cramp that ended up in the back of our net speaks to how low the bar has been set.

    not being a dick. we are Oiler fans and have been conditioned to accept that mediocrity.

    I do agree with Davidson and Nurse. Thought Khaira played well in limited minutes and Sekera was his normal steady self.

    Past midnight here so a very happy new year to all!! I look forward to LT’s glass half full report cheering me up tomorrow.

    Well, I mean him being more physical tonight was a good improvement.

    McLellen also keeping him off the PP and changing it up on other ways was another one. Letestu centreing Draisaitl? Nurse and Hunt? Very interesting indeed.

  153. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    You really think this group of forwards is the right mix ?

    Chia adding Kassian indicates he’s not satisfied. I’d like to see some more players with Hendricks/Pak/Korp try, but top 6 finish.

    We lose far too many battles, but if we find success with a different style of play consistently, then I’m fine.

    Chia has stated he values “heavy”. What I think he means by that, was demonstrated perfectly by Nurse after an LA goal the other night, he looked liked he wanted to kill someone after.

    On a stats blog, it’s hard to quantify certain player qualities, but I strongly suspect the head coach and GM are already tired of these 2nd periods, shitty starts, poor PP’s etc.. They won’t be tinkering with this line up, unfortunately I think they may rebuild the top 9.

    Just my 2 bits.

    And the D is missing a difference maker.

    And a top 15 goalie would help.

  154. nelson88 says:

    Final two cents.

    Agree the forward corps is likely fine but it is built for speed and scoring off the rush. If you want to play a heavy cycle game tweaks need to be made.

    The Oilers problem; and it has been the same for years, is the majority of the D have little ability/confidence to transition the puck to the F with speed. The Poo goal against LA was a prime example of the potential for the team. Nurse has the confidence/ability to make a higher risk play to transition the puck up the ice with speed. LA’s vaunted defensive structure can’t handle the Oiler speed and the skilled forwards cash the chance. Nurse, Klef, Sekera and Davidson are ok at or have potential but the rest can’t/won’t make those plays.

  155. square_wheels says:

    AsiaOil,

    My answer is UFA David Backes.. 6’3″ 220lbs, can play C or RW as well.

  156. danny says:

    2017 UFA defense class has top pairing options but thin… however with the new arena, a playoff contender and McJesus + McLellan, I wouldn’t be shocked with Burns choosing EDM. Hedman would be NICE.

    Burns
    Hedman
    Shattenkirk
    *D Kulikov
    *A Markov

    * best of the rest for reference

  157. El Duderino says:

    Centre, I understand you but if we all start wixing up are mords ull da dime den klamity will stricke.

    “I should have” is proper English. “I should’ve” is a contraction of “I should have”. “I should of” is flat out incorrect. The “uv” sound is used in the contraction, but in the full version the proper word is “have”.

    Just google “should of vs. should have” for better explanations than mine.

    And LT knows perfectly well the point I am making because he never makes this error in his writing.

  158. Woodguy says:

    The Ducks out corgi’d the Oilers 50 -34 at evens.

    60%

    An ass kicking.

    Also,

    Justin Schultz was 9 -27 (25%)

    So when he wasn’t on the ice the Oilers won the corgi’s 25-23

    Bleh.

    Brad Hunt was better than Schultz tonight.

    Also,

    Sekera had a bad game too going 5 -17 (so 31-33 for the Ducks when he was off the ice)

    Sekera went 3-11 w/ Fayne in 11:27

    Sekera went 0-6 w/ Schultz in 2:51

    Also,

    Would help if an Oiler forward could win a puck along the boards once in a while.

    Waving sticks and flying by were the order of the day.

    Garbage game except for Davidson and Hunt.

  159. danny says:

    El Duderino:
    Centre, I understand you but if we all start wixing up are mords ull da dime den klamity will stricke.

    “I should have” is proper English. “I should’ve” is a contraction of “I should have”. “I should of” is flat out incorrect. The “uv” sound is used in the contraction, but in the full version the proper word is “have”.

    Just google“should of vs. should have” for better explanations than mine.

    And LT knows perfectly well the point I am making because he never makes this error in his writing.

    well that’s just like, your opinion, man.

  160. Woodguy says:

    Here something interesting:

    Nurse – Davidson 7-3 (70%CF) in 5:36

    Hunt – Fayne 7-0 (100%) in 3:04

    If they put Klef w/ Sekera when he gets back those might be interesting pairings.

    Hunt-Fayne scares me though.

    I really don’t want to watch Schultz in an Oiler uniform anymore.

    Not at all.

  161. dustrock says:

    LT – thanks for a great 2015. I’m sure at one point Chiarelli will actually do something constructive. Thanks for keeping the tone positive because Gord knows I don’t see an end to this idiocy.

    NYCOIL – don’t mean to pick on you, but bear markwt/bull market blah blah blah the Oilers are the worst team in the league again.

    When was that turn north coming again? Keep on trucking that fantastic core we suffered so much for.

    God I miss the days of the Oilers teams who would squeak into 8th and lose to the Stars.

  162. dustrock says:

    Woodguy:
    The Ducks out corgi’d the Oilers 50 -34 at evens.

    60%

    An ass kicking.

    Also,

    Justin Schultz was 9 -27 (25%)

    So when he wasn’t on the ice the Oilers won the corgi’s 25-23

    Bleh.

    Brad Hunt was better than Schultz tonight.

    Also,

    Sekera had a bad game too going 5 -17 (so 31-33 for the Ducks when he was off the ice)

    Sekera went 3-11 w/ Fayne in 11:27

    Sekera went 0-6 w/ Schultz in 2:51

    Also,

    Would help if an Oiler forward could win a puck along the boards once in a while.

    Waving sticks and flying by were the order of the day.

    Garbage game except for Davidson and Hunt.

    So not only is Schultz not actively helping, he’s one of the worst d-men in the league? Shocking.

    Food for thought: do you think it’s possible that a player who would refuse to play for the team that drafted him would now be playing to get traded?

    The D has nosedived since Schultz came back.

  163. square_wheels says:

    Woodguy,

    So you’re saying our forwards are fine ? Small sample size or the real Oilers have stood up and the sleep walk our division went on while we played some road worn eastern teams was a mirage ?

  164. square_wheels says:

    El Duderino,

    Dude, have you asked Ricki for the same improvement ? His response might be a slightly less polite version of relax ?

  165. Lowetide says:

    square_wheels:
    Lowetide,

    You really think this group of forwards is the right mix ?

    Chia adding Kassian indicates he’s not satisfied. I’d like to see some more players with Hendricks/Pak/Korp try, but top 6 finish.

    We lose far too many battles, but if we find success with a different style of play consistently, then I’m fine.

    Chia has stated he values “heavy”. What I think he means by that, was demonstrated perfectly by Nurse after an LA goal the other night, he looked liked he wanted to kill someone after.

    On a stats blog, it’s hard to quantify certain player qualities, but I strongly suspect the head coach and GM are already tired of these 2nd periods, shitty starts, poor PP’s etc.. They won’t be tinkering with this line up, unfortunately I think they may rebuild the top 9.

    Just my 2 bits.

    And the D is missing a difference maker.

    And a top 15 goalie would help.

    Yeah the forwards are fine, it is the stuff around it. Its like the first time you meet the right person, and they are with their parents and there is weird vibe because she is so cool and they are talking about date squares and joining the Knights of Columbus and all you want is the girl.

    The forwards, are the girl. Trust me.

  166. Woodguy says:

    Dmen via 5v5 Corgis (%)

    Brad Hunt 61.9
    Brandon Davidson 52.17
    Mark Fayne 45.45
    Darnell Nurse 43.18
    Justin Schultz 25
    Andrej Sekera 22.73

    Dmen via TOI

    Darnell Nurse 21:09
    Justin Schultz 17:48
    Andrej Sekera 17:01
    Brandon Davidson 16:47
    Mark Fayne 15:10
    Brad Hunt 14:08

    Forwards via Corgis

    Jordan Eberle 52.94
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 52.78
    Taylor Hall 48.57
    Benoit Pouliot 48
    Teddy Purcell 48
    Leon Draisaitl 40
    Luke Gazdic 36.36
    Jujhar Khaira 30
    Anton Lander 27.27
    Lauri Korpikoski 23.08
    Matt Hendricks 11.11
    Mark Letestu 0 (0-9)

    Forwards via TOI

    Taylor Hall 19:25
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 18:05
    Jordan Eberle 17:07
    Leon Draisaitl 17:00
    Teddy Purcell 15:42
    Mark Letestu 12:52
    Benoit Pouliot 12:12
    Lauri Korpikoski 11:43
    Matt Hendricks 9:57
    Luke Gazdic 6:02
    Anton Lander 5:29
    Jujhar Khaira 5:27

    Also,

    I think McLellan put 4-93-14 together to test drive 29 on an non-top end line.

    I think we may get our unicorns when McDavid comes back and 29 will center the 3rd line.

    McLellan will be less hesitant to cut his ice time than 4-93-14-97 to make room in his line up for 3 scoring line.

    I could just be making shit up too.

  167. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    Hahjahajajajaa fuck did I laugh at that mental image.

    But I like date squares. I like women even more.

    I would like to see some small tweaks to the Fwd’s. I’ve got a love affair with a player like Backes. Far too many years of watching us get pushed around. Between a player like that and a Kassian, teams might actually start respecting us.

  168. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Yeah the forwards are fine, it is the stuff around it. Its like the first time you meet the right person, and they are with their

    McLellan has them playing a lot of dump and chase.

    Not sure they can all play it the way he wants.

    He and Chia will change the forwards to suit that game better.

    Its coming.

  169. Yegfoundation says:

    Anyone else hear Read Wilkens again this evening say that it’s a no brainer that Nurse has a higher offensive upside than Klefbom. And he cut off Rob Brown who was trying to question that assertion.

    Do your homework please Mr. Wilkens.

  170. Really? says:

    I cannot believe that some fans are adopting the stance that it would be a good idea to trade Nuge for a D man. Without question, Nuge is the type of player that you need on a championship team. He is multi-dimensional, consistent in his play, has tenacity and has not yet fully developed at 22.

    Amazing that people expect Nuge to be a mature and fully developed NHLer at age 22. This is probably the first year that Hall, at age 25, has played even close to his potential. Still lots of room for Nuge to grow.

    People must stop fixating on players as goats. Everyone seems to be taking a very short term view of issues. I realize it is frustrating to have been an Oiler’s fan for the past decade but patience is still required.

  171. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: McLellan has them playing a lot of dump and chase.

    Not sure they can all play it the way he wants.

    He and Chia will change the forwards to suit that game better.

    Its coming.

    Sure, add some guys who can handle aspects of the place and chase. That doesn’t impact many in the group, and McLellan is going to have to adjust as well. More than one way to run a railroad.

  172. square_wheels says:

    Woodguy,

    I will let you and LT grind this out but im in your camp. The mix isn’t right, we don’t have the horses to retrieve in both ends of the rink.

    Unless we can somehow land a true #1 D we need to be able to play a bit of both. I think it’s more realistic to slightly improve the D through UFA or moneyball trades ,while retooling the forwards, so we can both shelter the youngsters and compete against all the assholes in the west.

    Unfortunately, a solution to this is going to include a valuable asset(s), not scraps.

  173. Gerta Rauss says:

    TMac post game audio

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/podcastplayer.htm?pid=98&iid=53412

    McLellan used the word frustration…a learning experience

  174. godot10 says:

    square_wheels:
    AsiaOil,

    My answer is UFA David Backes.. 6’3″ 220lbs, can play C or RW as well.

    David Backes is 32 in May. Too old to help. Ditto Frans Nielson. Wrong side of thirty.

    Retirement contracts are horrible ideas. Backes will be useless just as the McDavid core should be contending.

  175. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Sure, add some guys who can handle aspects of the place and chase. That doesn’t impact many in the group, and McLellan is going to have to adjust as well. More than one way to run a railroad.

    Yes, there are two ways.

    His way and……….

  176. Woodguy says:

    square_wheels:
    Woodguy,

    I will let you and LT grind this out but im in your camp. The mix isn’t right, we don’t have the horses to retrieve in both ends of the rink.

    Unless we can somehow land a true #1 D we need to be able to play a bit of both.I think it’s more realisticto slightly improve the D through UFA or moneyball trades ,while retooling the forwards,so we can both shelter the youngsters and compete against all the assholes in the west.

    Unfortunately, a solution to this is going to include a valuable asset(s), not scraps.

    I don’t see 4,93, 67, 97 being an issue in McLellan’s system.

  177. G Money says:

    1-0 loss?

    Not bad. Better than expected.

    To all those trading the roster and demanding wholesale changes: stop. Just stop.

    The forward corps is missing two 1ov picks.

    This team needs two top 4 D to compete, and right now, one of the two top 4 D they do have is missing.

    Changing the lineup because of how it’s playing right now is like selling a Ferrari for peanuts because it’s just not performing well … Ignoring meanwhile – surprise surprise – that the three flat tires and two missing spark plugs might be having an impact.

    Bad and emotional assessments lead to stupid decisions, and for fucks sake, this team has already had enough of those to last a lifetime.

    Let’s get the spark plugs back, fix the goddamn tires, and then let’s talk about the rest of the car.

  178. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    G Money,

    From half way across the world common fucking sense strikes!

    Thank you good sir

    The Ducks aren’t a good team, neither is Vancouver/Arizona and Calgary is punching above its weight class.

    There are tens of millions of dollars coming off the books this summer and there are a couple of free agents who can very much help the Oilers out. The Precious will be back soon (its been so long people are forgetting just how much that is going to matter).

    I don’t like the Nurse – Schultz experiment, agree Nurse should be off the top pairing for now but there is too much chaos that he can’t cover yet when Schultz is his partner. Once Klef comes back that situation should be fixed and despite the hand wringing I’m pretty sure the Oil are doing the smart thing with Reinhart.

    Patience Patience Patience.

  179. AsiaOil says:

    G Money,

    Pretty much bang on – and happy new year where ever the heck you are 🙂

    A top pair dman and a bigger, tougher top 6 RW than Ebs (Okposo family) puts us over the top. The dman is tough but you make your lists (guys you want / guys you are willing to give up) and you work the deal. I’m giving the new guys this year to sort out who stays and who goes.

  180. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Lowetide,

    This 100% if these two men are too stubborn to shift their thinking and see the horses they have they are no better than MacT/Eakins/Lowe.

    The Oilers haven’t been built to play a heavy grinding game since 2006. Look at Chicago and look at Dallas those are your models.

    Next season “heavy” teams will be too fucking slow to keep up to Hall/McD/Seguin/Benn etc etc.

    You’ve got Stallions, coach a game for Stallions

  181. Gret99zky says:

    happy new year

  182. StevieG_8 says:

    Lowetide,

    Would you mind including faceoffs improvements of other nhl centers then show Nuge and Drai is doing in their age group?

  183. Bank Shot says:

    G Money:
    Changing the lineup because of how it’s playing right now is like selling a Ferrari for peanuts because it’s just not performing well …

    What exactly about this team has you thinking it’s a Ferrari?

    Because all the evidence over the last few seasons is pointing In another direction.

  184. G Money says:

    Bank Shot,

    Hall, McD, Drai, RNH, Yak, Ebs, that’s what. That’s not a Ferrari, it’s a fucking Formula 1 car. It’s downgraded to a Ferrari because of the Yugo backend.

    Hall at 24 and Ebs at 25 are the grizzled old vets of the group.

    By the way, not sure if I’ve ever mentioned this, but Taylor was born exactly nine months after I moved to Calgary. I have that effect on women – get the ovaries spinning!

    Yer welcome!

  185. Dominoiler says:

    Lowetide:

    Centre of attention: What do you think of Todd putting the old band back together? Good idea or no?

    I think he is fishing at this point. Zero doubt in my mind that every coach (Ralph, Dallas, Todd, Todd) wonders aloud why this isn’t working better, and quicker. There is zero doubt (imo) about the talent here, they are splendid hockey players. Todd McLellan fishing is probably a bad sign, though.

    Those three aren’t really built for dump n case, agreed? The ducks (kings) are a tough team for them to play that way..

    Too soon to start blaming the coach?!.. We’ve seen that script.. Wrong roster makeup?.. Square peg, round hole?.. I don’t have answers, just questions..

  186. SwedishPoster says:

    While I agree that the forwards aren’t the main issue and I’m certinly not looking to trade them at this point in time but I’m surprised with the support they are getting after this game. I pretty much hated the game from every forward on the ice last night with maybe 2-3 expectations. So many bad passes, bobbled pucks, bad puck support, crappy executed breakouts from the fwds(the 4th line had the cleanest brekouts despite Gazdic flubbing half the passes into his own or others skates), absoutely dreadful defensive support, weak boardplay. I think the forward group as a whole laid a massive doodoo last night. A lack of energy but also the skill part was missing big time, it was like they lost all their puckhandling skills. Early new years party after the morning skate?

    Davidson is a really good NHL defenseman, best D by a mile last night and helped Hunt look respectable. I love Hunt’s ability to slap pass, shades of Lidström(absolutely zero comparison in any other part of his game). Nurse was fine. Fayne looked good to me. Schultz looks like he doesn’t trust his own game whatsoever. Sekera was sloppy.

    Also there’s a sense from the team that they, like the fans, are waiting for the team to get healthy. Can’t have that. When you get injuries you bite down harder, not this lackluster crap. It’s ok for the fans. Not for the players. Chiarelli mentioning the importance of the lost players returning or how much they are missing in every interview probably isn’t the best strategy from a psychological perspective either. Just my opinion.

  187. frjohnk says:

    While we are only 5 points out of a playoff spot, we also have played more games than anybody else in our division. Here is how Pacific division team points pace looks like over a 82 game schedule.

    TEAM……………..Points
    LOS ANGELES 111
      SAN JOSE 87
      ARIZONA 86
      ANAHEIM 82
      VANCOUVER80
      CALGARY 80
      EDMONTON 69

    This would put us in 29th, Columbus is on pace for 65.

    If we were to make the playoffs, and the magic point number is 86, we would need to go something like 25-15-3 in the last 43 games. Only 8 teams have had a better points per game average than that.

    Not impossible, but highly improbable.

  188. theres oil in virginia says:

    SwedishPoster: So many bad passes, bobbled pucks

    Somebody greased the sticks. Did you see them flying into the air, and even into the stands? It was like a circus.

  189. Centre of attention says:

    frjohnk,

    Way to ruin my morning 🙁

  190. Centre of attention says:

    Boychuck on IR. Hamonic ain’t going anywhere for awhile.

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