G43 2015-16: PANTHERS AT OILERS

The Edmonton Oilers still have half a season to play, but the news yesterday that Connor McDavid and Oscar Klefbom won’t return in January casts a pall over the remains of the day. I think most of us felt if this team could hold on until the troops returned, maybe there was a significant run in this young and so very talented group. Despite some Herculean efforts by Taylor Hall, Leon Draisaitl, Andrej Sekera and (increasingly) Cam Talbot, it gets tougher to justify with so many pieces missing. Remember when I talked about (lack of) balance in the summer? Remember when I said the balance picture would have to wait? We all knew it was true at the time, but this is what lack of balance looks like.

LAST CHANCE TEXACO, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1
  • Oilers in January 2015: 5-7-1
  • Oilers in January 2016: 2-1-0
  • Oilers after 42 in 2014-15: 10-23-9, 29 points (-46 GD)
  • Oilers after 42 in 2015-16: 17-22-3, 37 points (-21 GD)

G43 a year ago was a 4-2 loss to the Florida Panthers, as Roberto Luongo decided to remind us of lost nights in Vancouver. Edmonton finished December 7-6-1, representing progress (at or over .500, depending on your view of things) and if they bring this month in around the same number it will be pure mastery by Todd McLellan.

DEFENSE, THIS SEASON

OILERS DEFENSE OVER SEASON

  • Brandon Davidson’s CorsiRel and SCA numbers are rising, but that is purely a reflection of his new, more difficult role. The fact he is in that slot in the order tells you how good he has been this season. Wildly underrated by game broadcasters, home and away.
  • Andrej Sekera is such a valuable player, despite the rising Rel and SCA. His 5×4 numbers are very good and his CorsiFor5x5 percentage is stronger than you would think after over 400 minutes playing top competition alongside rookies. Sekera is 45.4% with Davidson in about one hour, he was 43.1 in about 360 minutes with Darnell Nurse, while being 48.3 with Mark Fayne in 188 minutes. A wonderful year obscured by his game situation.
  • Justin Schultz has played his three best games under Todd McLellan in the last three Oilers games. Best games doesn’t mean perfect games, but he does seem to be comfortable with Darnell Nurse (and vice versa). Schultz is 48.5 Corsi for Percentage 5×5 with Nurse so far, and although he was better with Klefbom (53.8), I think the young puck mover is healthy and feeling confident now.
  • Darnell Nurse is seeing (as we discussed) his underlying numbers improve now that he isn’t in the Sekera rear gunner position. He is still playing miles too much to my eye, but the numbers are improving each game in possession. Good to see.
  • Eric Gryba can defend, we talked about this in the summer and that remains the case. His presence on the roster does seem to have impacted Mark Fayne, and I remain convinced the wrong decision has been made here by Todd McLellan. I get it, this is some blog and McLellan is a bona fide and successful NHL coach, but for me this is the kind of stubbornness we often see in coaches—NHL or otherwise. Mark Fayne may not be fast enough for Todd McLellan’s style, but even with that he is a better defenseman than at least two of the men who will be sent out instead of him tonight. I am convinced of it, your mileage may vary.

CENTERS, THIS SEASON

oilers centers over season

  • Leon Draisaitl is seeing his 5×5 numbers fall below 3.00/60 (!!!) but remains an astounding talent enjoying a breakout season. Timing was off a touch the other night, suspect this line will begin to roar again some time this month.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has his scoring numbers on the rise, while the possession totals are running in place or sliding slightly. A road trip may or may not help, it will be interesting to see how opposition coaches run their top lines and pairings against the Nuge trio.
  • Anton Lander barely played the other night, Todd McLellan’s fourth lines traditionally get the hose later in the game but that was full hose early. I wonder how long this trio stays intact, need a big game.
  • Mark Letestu comes alive on the power play, but his 5×5 game isn’t great. Part of it comes from being the checking line, but I wish he had more flair offensively. Needs more of Pat Hughes/Rem Murray creativity.

WINGERS, THIS SEASON

oil forwards over season

  • Taylor Hall is hitting all the notes known to man, and a few only dogs can understand. What a terrific talent, the only downside comes from commentary suggesting No. 4 is just arriving as a player. He arrived a long time ago, and is now reaching peak status. That’s the story, someone should cover it that way.
  • Jordan Eberle should be at 2.00/60 5×5 and he is getting there after the injury and recovery. That 2line needs all three engines driving, and honestly it seems like they are only now reaching that point. Injuries have devastated this team, even the ones who are playing.
  • Teddy Purcell must be impressing the crap out of scouts these days, with smart play and offensive delivery. I suspect his replacement is on the IR (Nail Yakupov) or in Bakersfield (Zack Kassian) but do hope they at least discuss a contract extension.
  • Benoit Pouliot is a guy I have been thinking about a lot lately. He can deliver offense and is a big man on that second line, for me he should be part of the future. However, if you are Peter Chiarelli, trying to shoehorn all of this talent into two lines (McLellan doesn’t believe in three scoring lines) is going to be difficult—and Pouliot (like the Nuge) has to play on an offensive line in order to justify salary. I think Pouliot is No. 6 when all are healthy (McDavid, Nuge, Leon, Hall, Eberle, Pouliot), but things may change. If they do, we may see the big man gone. I think there is at least a chance he won’t be back next season. I would keep him.
  • Jujhar Khaira is scoring well in the minors (2gp, 0-2-2) and one suspects he could be a callup around the deadline. With Zack Kassian also in line for an eventual recall, who is leaving? There are a few obvious candidates—Purcell, Luke Gazdic, Iiro Pakarinen—but it is also at least possible Matt Hendricks has substantial trade deadline value. I recall someone reporting last season there was significant interest, doubt it has died down and the new GM will want to put his own stamp on the team. Interesting deadline ahead.

MINOR LEAGUE SPLITS

I have no explanation, but when the calendar turns each season, it seems some players come out of their skates to make themselves known. Here are the Condors boxcars since the new year:

  1. Matthew Ford 4gp, 3-2-5 (16 shots)
  2. Marco Roy 4gp, 2-1-3 (4 shots)
  3. Jujhar Khaira 2gp, 0-2-2 (4 shots)
  4. Joey Laleggia 1gp, 1-1-2 (1 shot)
  5. Jordan Oesterle 4gp, 2-0-2 (11 shots)
  6. Ryan Hamilton 4gp, 0-2-2 (13 shots)
  7. Kellen Jones 4gp, 0-2-2 (1 shot)
  8. Andrew Miller 2gp, 0-1-1 (5 shots)
  9. Martin Gernat 2gp, 0-1-1 (1 shot)
  10. Zack Kassian 4gp, 1-0-1 (9 shots)
  11. Josh Currie 4gp, 0-1-1 (6 shots)
  12. Mitchell Moroz 4gp, 0-1-1 (4 shots)
  13. Kale Kessy 4gp, 1-0-1 (2 shots)
  14. Greg Chase 4gp, 0-1-1 (2 shots)
  15. Dillon Simpson 4gp, 0-1-1 (2 shots)
  16. David Musil 4gp, 0-1-1 (2 shots)
  17. Nikita Nikitin 4gp, 0-0-0 (7 shots)
  18. Griffin Reinhart 4gp, 0-0-0 (6 shots)
  19. Braden Christoffer 4gp, 0-0-0 (1 shot)
  20. Eetu Laurikainen 1gp, 0.00 1.000
  21. Laurent Brossoit 3gp, 2.97 .922

Interesting group, led by some outstanding goalie performances (1-2-1 in this stretch, despite stopping 137 of 146 shots, .938). Interesting group at the top, worth following as January stretches to spring. I want to know this: How many of these cats are fast enough for the McLellan style? If David Musil (as an example) isn’t fast enough, Peter Chiarelli should get him over to an organization that might be able to use him.

ABOUT TONIGHT

standings

The Oilers are five points behind the final playoff spot now, there is no help coming and Hunt—Gryba will be a pairing this evening. Despite monumental talents in some areas of the roster, the lack of balance on this team once again has us sailing for the hinterlands. It is empty to promise you good times ahead, I will only say we should be in a far better place a year from now.

And with that, if the Oilers lose tonight in regulation, I release you. Please feel free to enjoy the beauty all around us, whether that includes photographing hoarfrost on a cold January morning  or catching the new Star Wars movie with a friend or loved one (something I hope to do this week, so if I unfollowed you on twitter it is because you were giving away the damned plot).

For this blog, I will continue to post gameday and followup (next morning) blogs, and will sift in draft coverage more and more—plus trade deadline items as they appear. Drop in when you can, let us know you’re okay. Next year, perhaps the playoffs.

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  1. stevezie says:

    Hendricks with a DDT finisher

  2. Centre of attention says:

    Ekblad just got DESTROYED

  3. LMHF#1 says:

    G Money:
    Holy shit that was a brutal hit from Hendricks.Very surprised it wasn’t a penalty, probably should have been.

    Turned his back. Got to stop teaching defencemen that crap.

  4. Seismic Source says:

    Hendricks knew it was Ekblad thats for sure. I’m glad McDavid isnt playing.

  5. BeerMe says:

    Love it.

  6. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I LOVE HENDRICKS

  7. flyfish1168 says:

    That was borderline boarding

  8. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Better be a 2 for crosscjeck

  9. BeerMe says:

    WE’VE GOT A BRAWLER BREWING BOYS

  10. Seismic Source says:

    Wow..Hendricks…He has some balls…wow. Thumbs up to Gudbranson…lol

  11. G Money says:

    LMHF#1: Turned his back. Got to stop teaching defencemen that crap.

    Yeah, that’ll be the explanation. He should have “protected himself”.

  12. square_wheels says:

    Montoya is not the goalie I recall.

  13. Seismic Source says:

    Ref’s in jeopardy of losing control

  14. delooper says:

    The Florida announcers (Fox) seem to have no idea how important this game is to the Oilers. They’re acting like this is weird that the Oilers are playing hard.

  15. Zeabs93 says:

    Absolutely massive hit on Ekblad there, wow.

    You hit our star players, we hit yours. Love it.

  16. Zelepukin says:

    the muffin strikes again.

  17. LMHF#1 says:

    G Money: Yeah, that’ll be the explanation.He should have “protected himself”.

    It’s not that.

    It’s that young players are now taught from Bantam up to do this and it’s both shameful and dangerous. Not all coaches, but a bunch!

  18. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Shouldn’t we just always play with this intensity?

    Gmoney… What the oiler eye glow/60 this game?

  19. delooper says:

    I love Darnell.

  20. 1d-aint-no-thing says:

    I’m really tired of legal checks having the players freak out then the referees decide not to call penalties on obvious penalties. I like Hendricks but he can’t run players. If the referees call these penalties, players would at least feel better with a power-play and maybe scoring a goal. Instead referees Let it go and player safety is threatened by Retaliation for both teams.

  21. Ice Sage says:

    Oilers might not win but they’re grinding out the hottest team in the league. Baby steps

  22. G Money says:

    LMHF#1,

    True, Ekblad could have been a bit wiser with that sequence.

    And I’m 100% on board with the physical play, the big hits, and the idea of retribution for the big hit on our star with a big hit on your star.

    But Hendricks took a massive run at Ekblad, left his feet in a big way, hit Ekblad in the head and likely concussed him as a result.

    That crap’s gotta stop.

  23. unca miltie says:

    A real hockey game! Nice

  24. Pastor of Disaster says:

    Zeabs93:
    Absolutely massive hit on Ekblad there, wow.

    You hit our star players, we hit yours.Love it.

    Except that the hit on Hall was textbook clean, and the hit on Ekblad was… less clean. If Nurse had received that hit and there was no call, LT’s server would collapse. Glad the Oilers are playing with a physical edge though, just hate seeing young men receive (or nearly receive) head injuries because of some perceived need for retribution.

    But, of course, I am in the “turn the other cheek” business.

  25. Ice Sage says:

    G Money:
    LMHF#1,

    True, Ekblad could have been a bit wiser with that sequence.

    And I’m 100% on board with the physical play, the big hits, and the idea of retribution for the big hit on our star with a big hit on your star.

    But Hendricks took a massive run at Ekblad, left his feet in a big way, hit Ekblad in the head and likely concussed him as a result.

    That crap’s gotta stop.

    Oil could be without Jimi for a few games.

  26. G Money says:

    Suntory Hanzo,

    My charts can’t even contain the Oilers’ eyeglow/60 in this game!

  27. LMHF#1 says:

    G Money:
    LMHF#1,

    True, Ekblad could have been a bit wiser with that sequence.

    And I’m 100% on board with the physical play, the big hits, and the idea of retribution for the big hit on our star with a big hit on your star.

    But Hendricks took a massive run at Ekblad, left his feet in a big way, hit Ekblad in the head and likely concussed him as a result.

    That crap’s gotta stop.

    Leaving your feet for a hit should always be a penalty. Not sure why it wasn’t there.

  28. Professor Q says:

    Yikes…that could have been a bad fall if Hendricks was a few cms closer to the bench. :/

  29. Zelepukin says:

    wow, Gryba you are terrible.

  30. G Money says:

    Ice Sage,

    Yup. Love the idea of the hit, but don’t like the hit, and you haven’t helped the team if you’re suspended the next game or two.

  31. Suntory Hanzo says:

    I don’t recall seeing this much ‘battle’ in a team in all last season. Or the session before. Or maybe the season before.

  32. Rondo says:

    Nurse is loving this tempo.

  33. G Money says:

    Good news: Ekblad is back in. Probably means just a fine for Hendy.

  34. G Money says:

    Love the battle, but another Oiler goal (FOR!!!!) would be nice.

  35. geowal says:

    It’ll be mighty disappointing if they can’t tie this.

  36. Melvis says:

    Stripes not calling much. Better yet, neither is Remenda.

  37. geowal says:

    Why in the world would you ice that there?

  38. BeerMe says:

    WHat the fuck was that icing, florida was CHANGING!

  39. Captain's Log says:

    The Oilers were absolutely dominating this period until one shift where they couldn’t get it out and iced the puck. Since then they look absolutely lifeless.

  40. 1d-aint-no-thing says:

    Why?! Don’t give up possession just because

  41. frjohnk says:

    geowal:
    Why in the world would you ice that there?

    That’s twice sekara drilled a “pass” to the bench that ended in an icing.

    Both times he had no panther around him.

    Otherwise love his game

  42. Suntory Hanzo says:

    I sighted Schultz take a slap shot!

  43. 1d-aint-no-thing says:

    Was that Fayne?

  44. geowal says:

    Battle and brains seems to be deserting them all of a sudden.

  45. square_wheels says:

    Montoya can fuck off

  46. LMHF#1 says:

    1d-aint-no-thing:
    Was that Fayne?

    The icing? Sekera

  47. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Ticking time bomb for me… I know my updates will be quicker than the feed I am watching. Need to go off the grid.

  48. böök¡je says:

    Bah!

  49. 1d-aint-no-thing says:

    Cannon… ball aww…

  50. jp says:

    geowal:
    It’ll be mighty disappointing if they can’t tie this.

    Mighty disappointing.

  51. stevezie says:

    Fuck. That was a pretty good game.

  52. LMHF#1 says:

    Too many lazy shots instead of forcing pressure to the net and a horrendous final 10 minutes. Ugh.

  53. G Money says:

    I’d say if Klefbom, McDavid, and Yak were all in the lineup, the Oilers win that in a walk.

  54. Centre of attention says:

    14 shots against but still lose.

  55. frjohnk says:

    TRADE EVERYBODY! !

  56. Ice Sage says:

    geowal:
    It’ll be mighty disappointing if they can’t tie this.

    Nah. It’s expected now.

  57. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Rats… Thought we might take this one.

  58. BAUCE says:

    How the fuck do the Florida panthers win 12 games in a row?

  59. saddleblazer says:

    Kneel in the pews for Matthews?

  60. böök¡je says:

    Moral victory?

    With the Hall goal, we are in overtime.

  61. böök¡je says:

    frjohnk:
    TRADE EVERYBODY! !

    TRADE THEMALL!

  62. Oilspill says:

    Good game! We played with good physicality. Our CYCLE needs players who don’t get stripped off the puck.

  63. Zelepukin says:

    Amazing second period erased by a few rookie mistakes and a stupid rule.

  64. Optimism is Foolish says:

    does this mean we should be hoping for chycrun or puljajarvi?

    mathews seems like too much luck needed to pray at that alter, we used up 9 years worth of luck with McDavid already.

  65. PunjabiOil says:

    The Oilers are starting to distance themselves for another bottom 5 spot.

    I also think management gave up on the season when keeping McDavid out that long.

    They know:

    1. Playoffs are still a difficult challenging task; and even if they make it, it’s a quick exit [See Calgary, 2014-2015]
    2. The on-ice metrics are still awful and still giving up 31.8 shots per game, the league worst.
    3. Top 5 picks are hell of a drug. Get another blue chip prospect, use the acres of cap space on defence, and move a guy like Eberle for a difference maker.
    4. Fans keep coming to the games, will renew seasons, and off-season moves will renew the optimism.

    No question in my mind McDavid would be playing right now if the Oilers were legit playoff or division contenders.

    No question.

  66. hunter1909 says:

    Missed tonight’s excitement.

    Okay, what was it? A heartbreaking loss, or a moral victory?

  67. LadiesloveSmid says:

    that’s 2 games in a row they deserve

    the moral victories are piling up and so are draft lists

    fuck sakes, score more than a goal guys

  68. flyfish1168 says:

    Taylor Hall zero shots on net tonight. Is that a 1st. Only shot didn’t count

  69. LadiesloveSmid says:

    we’re not talking about playoffs

    unless EDM pulls Holtby and Doughty out of their asses and go .650 the rest of the way, it’s not happening

  70. jp says:

    hunter1909:
    Missed tonight’s excitement.

    Okay, what was it? A heartbreaking loss, or a moral victory?

    Haha. Sigh…

  71. Zelepukin says:

    flyfish1168:
    Taylor Hall zero shots on net tonight. Is that a 1st. Only shot didn’t count

    He tipped that last one that went off Montoya’s mask, but ya, very strange for him to go no shots tonight. No points in his last 3 games too.

  72. BAUCE says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    that’s 2 games in a row they deserve

    Deserves got nothin to do with it

  73. stevezie says:

    The team seemed exhausted in the last 8 minuts. Especially Sekera. The domination stopped when it needed to step up.

    Still a good game. Yeah score effects, but still.

  74. Sevenseven says:

    Meaningful hockey in December was a step in the right direction. LT I’ll see you tomorrow for your draft wisdom.

  75. Dicky94 says:

    Good game. I think Kassian will be brought up this week. Definately before the rematch with Florida.

  76. jake70 says:

    They put the wall guys on their power play on their natural sides, meaning one-timers are few and far between. Don’t understand. Ebs on the PP had a one-timer chance, but stops the puck and then puts in to the net – the extra bit of time allows the PK to adjust.

    I am liking their forecheck a lot more last few games though – seem to sustaining some 5×5 pressure.

  77. frjohnk says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    we’re not talking about playoffs

    unless EDM pulls Holtby and Doughty out of their asses and go .650 the rest of the way, it’s not happening

    If 90 points is the magic number, Oilers need to average 1.36 pts per game. Only Washington and Dallas have done better than that number. Something like 25-11-3.

    If 87 points is the magic number, Oilers need to average 1.28 pts per game. Washington, Dallas, LA, Chicago and Florida have done better than that number. 23-12-4 would do that.

    We have average 0.86 pts per game.

  78. geowal says:

    Ice Sage: Nah.It’s expected now.

    Disappointing that they couldn’t do the unexpected (score when out shooting 3 to 1) but yes, the result is still to be expected, for some reason. I’ll join the chorus of “sigh”

  79. Halfwise says:

    They have the “Lose a couple of games they deserved to win” part, now they just need to start the winning streak. 9 games this time please.

  80. stevezie says:

    Optimism is Foolish:
    does this mean we should be hoping for chycrun or puljajarvi?

    mathews seems like too much luck needed to pray at that alter, we used up 9 years worth of luck with McDavid already.

    Nah. 2 straight good games. We’re not making the playoffs, but I don’t see us making the lottery either. I called drafting tenth in the sumer. I I continue to feel good about that.

    Playoffs were a beautiful dream but it was always kin of a mirage as we were only close because the division was an embarrassment.

    I do hope we win the next couple though, I want the boys to feel they’re in the hunt (even though math shows they’re not. The Bettman point doesn’t really keep the race close, it just creates the illusion. I want the boys to live that illusion.)

  81. OF17 says:

    stevezie,

    I don’t see us drafting that low. We’ve played more games than just about every team in the league, and while adding McDavid, Klefbom, and Yakupov will provide a boost, there are going to be some subtractions at the deadline. Which is a good thing. If we’re going to miss the playoffs, we might as well pick 5th instead of 10th.

  82. wheatnoil says:

    stevezie: Nah. 2 straight good games. We’re not making the playoffs, but I don’t see us making the lottery either. I called drafting tenth in the sumer. I I continue to feel good about that.

    The Pacific is so bad that if the Oilers were good enough to be 21st in the league, they would actually be 3rd in the division and make the playoffs.

    Plus, the Oilers have played more than every team in the league other than Columbus.

    As it stands, the Oilers will need to put a run together just get out of the bottom 3. I’d say we can pretty strongly expect a Top 5 pick at this point.

  83. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy: Of course I framed the issue.

    Your Gagner to Ovechkin line is still hilarious given everyone on the list.

    Also,

    Number of 50 point years Kesler had before he was 23 = 0

    Stastny had 2.

    Gagner and RNH are the only two players on the list that haven’t scored 60 points in a season.

    It’s a given that almost everyone else on the list is miles better than RNH. He’d be in there with the other guys that have failed to crack 70 points. Landeskog, Horton, RNH, Gagner.

    I mean if you asked the question of which guys don’t belong on this list without giving any background, Hopkin’s name would surely come up.

    You can’t lump RNH with guys like Malkin, Ovie, Stamkos, Geztlaf, Kane, Hall, and Seguin and expect to get a free pass on it.

    Paul Stastny was a PPG player between 20-23. Does it really matter at this point if Hopkins more success at the NHL level from 18-19.5?

    I don’t mean to disparage RNH. I really don’t, and I don’t think I have. I think he’s a fine player, but his accomplishments need to be put in perspective. He’s a good player, but for a 1st overall he’s almost as low end as it gets.

  84. stevezie says:

    OF17,

    I’ll admit deadline subtractions could hurt, but I am factoring in a return to health as part of my “not a lottery team” prediction.

  85. jp says:

    G Money,

    Maybe give Davidson-Gryba a star for their efforts?

    Damn shame the team couldn’t quite get it done tonight.

  86. G Money says:

    jp,

    Yup. Especially Davidson, what a game. I didn’t notice him much out there (usually a good thing for a D), and his numbers are incredible.

    Also the Letestu line, holy shit. In fact, I think this is the first time I’ve seen the Hall/Drai line be fourth best. They weren’t bad, but by the numbers, a distinct fourth place.

  87. Woodguy says:

    Bank Shot,

    You can’t lump RNH with guys like Malkin, Ovie, Stamkos, Geztlaf, Kane, Hall, and Seguin and expect to get a free pass on it.

    I didn’t lump him in anywhere.

    I set the parameters at hockey reference and it spit out the data.

    This is not opinion.

    It is fact.

    “List all players who have scored .6pts/gm or better in their seasons between 18-23 in the last 20 years”

    If he was such easily replaceable player like you mentioned then lots of flotsam and jetsam should have been listed along with but there’s not.

  88. Woodguy says:

    McLellen tells Spector he’s a dinosaur then sets Rishaug straight about how a NHL hockey team “responds” then the same to Gregor later on.

    Pure Gold.

    https://t.co/0eN7rkikG8

  89. G Money says:

    Aaaaargh, back to work tomorrow.

    Didn’t get sick in India, but the drawback to that is I’m not sure any of my pants will fit. Guess we’ll see.

    Good night!

  90. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Woodguy,

    Rishaug can be such a meathead. I love how fired up McLellen can get. Always defends his team. Rarely mentions players by name. His comment at about Bjugstad was great.

  91. Zelepukin says:

    Rishaug is a total meathead.

  92. hunter1909 says:

    Hunter1909 Official Oilers 2016 Death March Leaderboard for 11.1.16

    Oilers headed for a 70.6 point season; The listed 3 players all predicted a 71 point finish:

    TOML
    HeattreaterJoe
    Jake70

  93. Zelepukin says:

    Woodguy:
    McLellen tells Spector he’s a dinosaur then sets Rishaug straight about how a NHL hockey team “responds” then the same to Gregor later on.

    Pure Gold.

    https://t.co/0eN7rkikG8

    This whole post-game, McL looks frustrated like a Harvard professor given the task of explaining the string theory to a room of kindergarten students.

  94. hunter1909 says:

    Zelepukin: This whole post-game, McL looks frustrated like a Harvard professor given the task of explaining the string theory to a room of kindergarten students.

    I watched that. McLellan reminds me of Eddie Munster.

    PS: Very World Class Press Conference facilities. Particularly enjoy not being able to make out many of the questions. Someone needs to publish an Oilers organizational chart, so we can all see exactly how long Lowe+MacT have been in charge of the Press Room.

  95. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy:
    Bank Shot,

    You can’t lump RNH with guys like Malkin, Ovie, Stamkos, Geztlaf, Kane, Hall, and Seguin and expect to get a free pass on it.

    I didn’t lump him in anywhere.

    I set the parameters at hockey reference and it spit out the data.

    This is not opinion.

    It is fact.

    “List all players who have scored .6pts/gm or better in their seasons between 18-23 in the last 20 years”

    If he was such easily replaceable player like you mentioned then lots of flotsam and jetsam should have been listed along with but there’s not.

    It’s a statistical oddity. The search is set up in such a way that Hopkins has the poorest ppg out of anyone in the group while still being able to qualify.

    Guys who missed a season due to a lockout get dinged. Guys who were old in their draft year probably get dinged as well. Guys who started out their career on good teams with depth get dinged. It really doesn’t say much when comparing caliber of the players we are talking about.

    The guy who he is most comparable to on that list is Nathan Horton. Horton was traded for Dennis Wideman a 1st and a 3rd. That’s not a guy that is untouchable. It doesn’t mean that a guy like Nuge would be easy to acquire, but players in that range are a lot more available than basically everyone on your original list. Players with RNH’s ppg move around the league fairly regularly.

    For a more useful look at the range RNH is in, we could search for the best ppg for all players between the ages of 21-23 since the lockout. That is Hopkin’s last season and a half. It’s where he is currently at.

    That search puts him in 43th. Not bad at all. Certainly no where near Stamkos/Hall level though.

    He’s in a group of guys that has a lot of good players, but more of a mixed bag then your list. The ten above and below Nuge are:

    Schwartz
    Stone
    Roy
    Tarasenko
    Bouchard
    Palat
    Perry
    Giroux
    Horton
    RNH
    O’Reilly
    Klingberg
    Stepan
    Stewart
    Krecji
    Huberdeau
    Kadri
    J.Staal
    Lucic
    Voracek

    I’d say that’s a much more accurate list of guys that RNH keeps ‘company” with. Some did explode, Perry, Voracek, Tarasenko. Some others washed out. Most are just good, solid, hockey players. It’s funny that Lucic was only 0.05 ppg behind RNH during the ages of 21-23 of his career and I’ve heard a lot about how overpaid the guy is.

  96. StevieG_8 says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 1h1 hour ago
    “Our PP has to get better with the talent we have on the ice.” Coach McLellan, #Oilers were unsuccessful on three man advantages tonight

    I lost my expectations after being down 2-0 but I enjoyed how they threw their weight around instead of getting pushed around by a team on a win streak.

  97. hunter1909 says:

    Bank Shot: It’s funny that Lucic was only 0.05 ppg behind RNH in years 21-23 of his contract and I’ve heard a lot about how overpaid the guy is over the years.

    Lucic has shown the ability to take over games at will.

    RNH has not shown that ability.

  98. hunter1909 says:

    StevieG_8: I lost my expectations after being down 2-0 but I enjoyed how they threw their weight around instead of getting pushed around by a team on a win streak.

    The fans have become masters of watching the team find new and exciting ways to lose games.

  99. Lowetide says:

    Bowie dead. Fuck.

  100. Gerta Rauss says:

    RIP David Bowie

  101. Gerta Rauss says:

    Mclellan post game audio

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/podcastplayer.htm?pid=98&iid=53548

    On Klefbom

    Again,he’s not out because of a concussion or all the speculation, he does have a lower body injury

    He’s entitled to his privacy when it comes to injuries

    He broke a knuckle and it’s completely healed

    He’d be completely ready to play if he didn’t have a lower body injury

    When he is healthy and it’s safe for him to skate again he will

  102. Yeti says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    Vasectomy?

  103. PhrankLee says:

    Gerta Rauss: He’s entitled to his privacy when it comes to injuries

    Yeah I found this curious.

    I guess I’ve never heard a coach quell a speculation (concussion) quite like this.

  104. Genjutsu says:

    Woodguy:
    I actually think that Yak is a better fit for ANA than Drouin given that Yak is good along the boards (except on his backhand near his own blueline), but can fore check well in the WC.

    I’d do Yak for Vantanen.

    This bit from Garrioch’s piece never fails to amuse me:

    Several Eastern Conference teams — including Montreal, Ottawa, Buffalo, New Jersey and Boston — have made calls to Yzerman to see what the asking price is for Drouin but those teams aren’t getting much in the way of a response from the Tampa camp. That’s because Yzerman has no interest whatsoever in trading Drouin to an Eastern opponent and would prefer he heads somewhere West because the Bolts are convinced he’ll be a regular in this league.

    Why are GM’s egos so fragile that they would take a lesser return in order for their fans to not see the player as often by trading them out of the Conference?

    I really don’t get it.

    “We don’t want to play against him often”

    -Your coach won’t play him, what are you worried about?

    “He’ll be much better in the future years”

    -Well maybe you should have considered that in his development timeline and kept your coach in line.

    Its just dumb.

    Just dumb is letting a coach, who has never won anything, chase Drouin and Stamkos out of town.

    I like Stevie Y.

    But this is Kevin Lowe level ego driven BS.

    Its going to cost him big time.

  105. Jordan says:

    Zelepukin: This whole post-game, McL looks frustrated like a Harvard professor given the task of explaining the string theory to a room of kindergarten students.

    Comparing the Oilers beat writers to kindergarten students is really unfair.

    I think even most kindergarten students understand that winning hockey games is about scoring more goals than the other team, not beating up the other team.

    It’s clear that’s not something the Oilers beat writers understand.

    it’s almost like they’re asking not because they want an answer, but because they have an agenda…

    Edit:
    WRT Nurse – Schultz paring… is McLellan trolling Chiarelli by running that? Because is sure screams to me,”Look, we only have 4 NHL-calibre d-men right now. Get me some better defensemen!”

  106. Woodguy says:

    Jordan,

    is McLellan trolling Chiarelli by running that? Because is sure screams to me,”Look, we only have 4 NHL-calibre d-men right now. Get me some better defensemen!”

    McLellan said recently that since both his and Chiarelli’s families are not with them in Edmonton they end up spending a lot of time together.

    I have no doubt that they are on the page in regards to the roster.

  107. JDï™ says:

    Lowetide:
    Bowie dead. Fuck.

    Damned shame yes, but that he made it through the 70s with only a couple of lost years, and one album he couldn’t remember recording, he did well to make it to the age of 69.

  108. Psyche says:

    PunjabiOil,

    This all day.

  109. Woodguy says:

    Bank Shot: It’s a statistical oddity. The search is set up in such a way that Hopkins has the poorest ppg out of anyone in the group while still being able to qualify.

    Guys who missed a season due to a lockout get dinged. Guys who were old in their draft year probably get dinged as well. Guys who started out their career on good teams with depth get dinged.It really doesn’t say much when comparing caliber of the players we are talking about.

    The guy who he is most comparable to on that list is Nathan Horton. Horton was traded for Dennis Widemana 1st and a 3rd. That’s not a guy that is untouchable. It doesn’t mean that a guy like Nuge would be easy to acquire, but players in that range are a lot more available than basically everyone on your original list.Players with RNH’s ppg move around the league fairly regularly.

    For a more useful look at the range RNH is in, we could search for the best ppg for all players between the ages of 21-23 since the lockout. That is Hopkin’s last season and a half. It’s where he is currently at.

    That search puts him in 43th. Not bad at all. Certainly no where near Stamkos/Hall level though.

    He’s in a group of guys that has a lot of good players, but more of a mixed bag then your list. The ten above and below Nuge are:

    Schwartz
    Stone
    Roy
    Tarasenko
    Bouchard
    Palat
    Perry
    Giroux
    Horton
    RNH
    O’Reilly
    Klingberg
    Stepan
    Stewart
    Krecji
    Huberdeau
    Kadri
    J.Staal
    Lucic
    Voracek

    I’d say that’s a much more accurate list of guys that RNH keeps ‘company” with. Some did explode, Perry, Voracek, Tarasenko. Some others washed out. Most are just good, solid, hockey players. It’s funny that Lucic was only 0.05 ppg behind RNH during the ages of 21-23 of his career and I’ve heard a lot about how overpaid the guy is.

    That’s much more fair than your previous posts.

    Let’s look at that list and remove who isn’t relevant in the league anymore and the odd unreal Dman who makes the list.

    Remove: Kovy, Roy, Karlsson, Richards, Stoll, Semin, PM Bouchard, Horton, Klingberg….maybe Hemsky (man that hurts to type)

    So now among current players he slots at ~38.

    Now let’s only keep those players who achieved this p/gp while playing the toughest comp like RNH.

    If you are going to compare players like this QC is a must.

    By my count it removes another 8-10

    Basically he’s a top 30 NHL forward.

    Fizzled out eh?

    Also,

    If we remove every player who achieved this with more than 2 NHL Dmen on the roster only Hall and RNH and the COL players would be left.

  110. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy: That’s much more fair than your previous posts.

    Let’s look at that list and remove who isn’t relevant in the league anymore and the odd unreal Dman who makes the list.

    Remove: Kovy, Roy, Karlsson, Richards, Stoll, Semin, PM Bouchard, Horton, Klingberg….maybe Hemsky (man that hurts to type)

    So now among current players he slots at ~38.

    Now let’s only keep those players who achieved this p/gp while playing the toughest comp like RNH.

    If you are going to compare players like this QC is a must.

    By my count it removes another 8-10

    Basically he’s a top 30 NHL forward.

    Fizzled out eh?

    Also,

    If we remove every player who achieved this with more than 2 NHL Dmen on the roster only Hall and RNH and the COL players would be left.

    I know we have all said that the Oilers over the last half decade have always been short of NHL defenseman. You had a great list yesterday.

    But how much of a difference does having an actual NHL defense roster 1 through 7 for a player such as RNH?

    How much of a difference would it make in his points total?

    Maybe with an actual defense, the joke is 60 points, not 50.

  111. frjohnk says:

    Nuges value is not just about points.

    He is a versatile 2 way center.

    Can play PK, PP.

    Play the toughs.

    There is a reason why he leads McLellans forwards in ice time.

  112. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: I know we have all said that the Oilers over the last half decade have always been short of NHL defenseman.You had a great list yesterday.

    But how much of a difference does having an actual NHL defense roster 1 through 7 for a player such as RNH?

    How much of a difference would it make in his points total?

    Maybe with an actual defense, the joke is 60 points, not 50.

    Massive difference.

  113. russ99 says:

    LMHF#1:
    Too many lazy shots instead of forcing pressure to the net and a horrendous final 10 minutes. Ugh.

    That’s the system not the players. Under McLellan it’s obvious that keeping possession is more important than getting quality shots, even on the powerplay.

    Hope it changes at some point, maybe with better talent in the new building…

  114. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy: That’s much more fair than your previous posts.

    Let’s look at that list and remove who isn’t relevant in the league anymore and the odd unreal Dman who makes the list.

    Basically he’s a top 30 NHL forward.

    Fizzled out eh?

    Also,

    If we remove every player who achieved this with more than 2 NHL Dmen on the roster only Hall and RNH and the COL players would be left.

    RNH isn’t a top 30 NHL forward. If you arbitrarily remove a bunch of names from that list he would move up on the list of scorers from 21-23.

    That still doesn’t make him a top 30 NHL forward. If you actually believe that he is, there isn’t really much point in discussing anything further, because our realities are obviously different.

  115. Woodguy says:

    Bank Shot: RNH isn’t a top 30 NHL forward. If you arbitrarily remove a bunch of names from that list he would move up on the list of scorers from 21

    Jesus man most of those players aren’t in the league anymore.

    They still rate about RNH even they’re not in the NHL?

    Christ.

  116. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy: Jesus man most of those players aren’t in the league anymore.

    They still rate about RNH even they’re not in the NHL?

    Christ.

    Well there are a lot of guys in the NHL that are better than Nuge that didn’t outscore him between the ages of 21-23.

    The Sedins for example. And Connor McDavid.

    RNH has never finished top 50 in NHL scoring. His defensive play isn’t as great as its made out to be. It’s not a weakness, but he’s also not a premier shutdown guy. He doesn’t drive possession like a Patrice Bergeron.

    Plus he is only winning 30% of his faceoffs in the defensive end. I don’t believe faceoffs are the be all and end all, but if you’re going to be a strong defensive center you can’t be allowing the opposition to have the puck 70 times out of every 100 when they are starting in your end. That’s just lunacy.

    I don’t see how you can place the kid in the top 30 forwards in the NHL based on anything numbers related.

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