OILERS RECALL ZACK KASSIAN. NO REALLY.

The Edmonton Oilers called Zack Kassian back to the NHL today, in a move that is likely to be famous 10 years from now—we just don’t know how it will go, or why it will be famous. Yet.

BAKERSFIELD RECALLS, 2015-16

  • Andrew Miller, October 19 (sent back October 22)
  • Iiro Pakarinen, October 22
  • Darnell Nurse, October 26
  • Joey Laleggia, October 28 (sent back October 29)
  • Tyler Pitlick, October 28 (sent back October 29)
  • Leon Draisaitl, October 29
  • Andrew Miller, November 4 (sent back November 21)
  • Anton Slepyshev, November 12 (sent back November 13)
  • Jujhar Khaira, November 26 (sent back January 7)
  • Ryan Hamilton, December 5 (sent back December 6)
  • Nikita Nikitin, December 9 (sent back December 31)
  • Mark Fayne, December 20
  • Brad Hunt, December 26
  • Ben Scrivens, December 28 (traded)
  • Zack Kassian, January 13

Peter Chiarelli uses his farm club a lot, that was also true in Boston. The Oilers have demoted several players (Anton Slepyshev made the team out of camp, Griffin Reinhart too), but the biggest callups of the year are Leon Draisaitl and Darnell Nurse. It will be interesting to see how much Kassian impacts the roster, beginning as early as tomorrow night.

50-MAN LIST

Since we haven’t looked at the 50-man in awhile, I thought it might be an idea to list them and see how many contracts the Oilers could add at the deadline and through the college signing season come spring.

  1. G Cam Talbot, NHL starter
  2. G Anders Nilsson, NHL backup.
  3. G Laurent Brossoit, AHL starter.
  4. G Eetu Laurikainen, AHL backup.
  5. D Andrej Sekera, veteran has been very valuable.
  6. D Oscar Klefbom, enjoying a solid year when healthy.
  7. D Darnell Nurse, started in AHL, now playing a feature role.
  8. D Brandon Davidson, a brilliant season so far.
  9. D Justin Schultz, may be playing his final games as an Oiler.
  10. D Eric Gryba, third pairing defender.
  11. D Mark Fayne, having a hard time winning a regular job this year.
  12. D Brad Hunt, has seen some NHL time, currently on big league roster.
  13. D Andrew Ference, hasn’t played a lot.
  14. D Griffin Reinhart, spent time in the NHL, AHL and IR.
  15. D Nikita Nikitin, got a (ghastly) cup of coffee, back in the minors.
  16. D David Musil, AHL D.
  17. D Jordan Oesterle, AHL D.
  18. D Joey Laleggia, AHL D.
  19. D Dillon Simpson, AHL D.
  20. D Martin Gernat, AHL D.
  21. D Ben Betker, ECHL D, just called to the AHL today.
  22. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, NHL center.
  23. C Leon Draisaitl, emerging NHL talent.
  24. C Connor McDavid, brilliant 13 games, back soon.
  25. C Anton Lander, checking NHL C.
  26. C Mark Letestu, checking NHL C.
  27. C Jujhar Khaira, AHL C spent some time in the NHL.
  28. C Andrew Miller, AHL C, used to play wing.
  29. C Bogdan Yakimov, on loan to the KHL, for either six months or 50 years.
  30. C Kyle Platzer, AHL C looking good.
  31. L Taylor Hall, Quality NHL forward.
  32. L Benoit Pouliot, No. 2 L for the OIl.
  33. L Lauri Korpikoski, checking NHL W.
  34. L Matt Hendricks, checking NHL W.
  35. L Luke Gazdic, NHL Enforcer.
  36. L Ryan Hamilton, AHL winger, mentor.
  37. L Kale Kessy, AHL winger/enforcer showing some signs.
  38. L Mitch Moroz, AHL winger/enforcer.
  39. L Braden Christoffer, rugged new pro W.
  40. R Jordan Eberle, scoring winger.
  41. R Nail Yakupov, emerging NHL scorer.
  42. R Teddy Purcell, veteran NHL W having a good year.
  43. R Zack Kassian, recalled to the NHL today.
  44. R Rob Klinkhammer, energy winger in the NHL.
  45. R Iiro Pakarinen, back in the NHL, being useful.
  46. R Anton Slepyshev, talented winger started the year in the NHL.
  47. R Tyler Pitlick, AHL winger cannot stay healthy.
  48. R Greg Chase, up and down between ECHL and AHL.

Oilers will have to make a move in order to get Nail Yakupov onto the active list, we will talk about it tomorrow. I mentioned this on the Lowdown this morning, but for me Peter Chiarelli’s move today is one among several we will probably see in the next six months. The time for auditions and feeling out is over, and we should expect a bigger group for 2016-17, with fewer skill players (especially on the wing).

UFA SUMMER 2016

  1. R Teddy Purcell (likely a deadline trade)
  2. R Rob Klinkhammer (could be back next season)
  3. D Eric Gryba (could be back, or traded)
  4. D Brad Hunt (I thought he would be gone last summer)
  5. G Cam Talbot (no contract talks yet, have to deal or sign)
  6. D Nikita Nikitin (blinking eyes, $9 million)
  7. C Andrew Miller (could be back in similar role)
  8. L Ryan Hamilton (has size, mentor, good soldier. Could be back)

I would guess Cam Talbot is a lock to be signed, Gryba and Purcell could be signed or dealt, no idea about the value of the rest in this group. I think the Oilers have exactly three players who other teams might find useful from this group.

RFA SUMMER 2016

  1. R Iiro Pakarinen (Useful)
  2. R Zack Kassian (stay tuned)
  3. L Luke Gazdic (not guaranteed a return)
  4. D Justin Schultz (no chance he is back based on current status)
  5. D Brandon Davidson (keep that contract long and reasonable, PC)
  6. G Anders Nilsson (several average and below outings are costing him $)
  7. R Tyler Pitlick (no idea)
  8. G Laurent Brossoit (could be on the NHL team next year)
  9. D Martin Gernat (likely to walk)
  10. D Jordan Oesterle (probably back)
  11. D David Musil (also probably back)
  12. L Kale Kessy (contract for sure, reputation growing)

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105 Responses to "OILERS RECALL ZACK KASSIAN. NO REALLY."

  1. Psyche says:

    Might we see Raffi and Kassian in the upcoming game? That would be ____________. (Fill in the blank.)

  2. Lowetide says:

    Psyche:
    Might we see Raffi and Kassian in the upcoming game? That would be ____________. (Fill in the blank.)

    I think Raffi will be in the AHL for a little while.

  3. Klima's_Bucket says:

    LT,
    Why do you think Musil will probably be brought back considering the logjam at left defence?

  4. Lowetide says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    LT,
    Why do you think Musil will probably be brought back considering the logjam at left defence?

    He is an asset, could be used for trade of EDM may trade away Reinhart. There is no pressure on the position beyond Musil being blocked. If they have to send him down in fall, he would need to clear waivers. Make the decision at that time,

  5. Younger Oil says:

    Lowetide: I think Raffi will be in the AHL for a little while.

    Man, that seems like a smart idea to get him up to NHL game speed after he hasn’t been playing for a while!

    Should only take 4 games, right?

  6. Woodguy says:

    Kassian is going to wear #44

    No one ever left Edmonton under a cloud after wearing that number.

    No siree.

  7. stush18 says:

    This is a big if, but if Schultz continues playing better and his scoring continues to rise, would he be brought back?

    I have no issue with him on my team, I just think he needs players ahead of him. He can’t be used as often as he is.

    Could we sign him for 3×3? I know he needs to be qualified at a higher price, which is the issue, however I don’t know the rules for signing contracts. Do they need to have a higher avg value than the qualifying offer? Would anyone do that? Before you say, “he’s my worth that!”, Justin Schultz is a 30-40 point dman, with coverage issues. He’s young, and can skate.

  8. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy,

    Are you referring to Doug Lynch, Corey Potter and Janne Niinimaa??
    Or Robbie Schremp, CFP and Sheldon Souray???

  9. Lowetide says:

    Younger Oil: Man, that seems like a smart idea to get him up to NHL game speed after he hasn’t been playing for a while!

    Should only take 4 games, right?

    I think it is a two-week thing, and that probably is four games.

  10. Lowetide says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Woodguy,

    Are you referring to Doug Lynch and Janne Niinimaa??
    Or Robbie Schremp, CFP and Sheldon Souray???

    Corey Potter was No. 44 and a good egg.

  11. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Lowetide,

    You were faster than my edit button.
    Damn you’re quick LT!

  12. Lois Lowe says:

    Woodguy:
    Kassian is going to wear #44

    No one ever left Edmonton under a cloud after wearing that number.

    No siree.

    The Gords have an impressive sense of humor.

  13. frjohnk says:

    stush18:
    This is a big if, but if Schultz continues playing better and his scoring continues to rise, would he be brought back?

    I have no issue with him on my team, I just think he needs players ahead of him. He can’t be used as often as he is.

    Could we sign him for 3×3? I know he needs to be qualified at a higher price, which is the issue, however I don’t know the rules for signing contracts. Do they need to have a higher avg value than the qualifying offer? Would anyone do that? Before you say, “he’s my worth that!”, Justin Schultz is a 30-40 point dman, with coverage issues. He’s young, and can skate.

    He needs to be qualified at the same price of this years salary. If the team declines to qualify him, then he becomes a UFA.

    Even if he plays better

    its too little too late.

    id bet he is gone at the deadline.

    Even if he was on the scrap heap this coming summer, I think the Oilers would be looking in a different direction.

    LT has Schultz’s “sail on” post ready I’m sure.

  14. Shane8830 says:

    I’m thinking they want him up to speed for Florida’s game to protect Hall from any shenanigans.

  15. RexLibris says:

    I’d mentioned awhile back that with the very real prospect of a flat or minimal-rise cap the Oilers need to trade as many of the expiring contracts (plus Schultz) into whatever draft picks, prospects and grab bags of assets they possibly can this deadline.

    Those assets will be of prime value this coming spring once the hoopla of a playoff run is over and teams are left staring, bleary-eyed and sobering by the second, at their roster and where to cut expenses.

    I’d move Schultz for another RFA whose contract hit is less likely to be as high, but also try package him with picks for a player on a one-year term whom the team can no longer afford, if either of those are possible.

    The spots vacated by those listed above can be filled with relative ease during the summer, especially so if the cap stagnates and there are more players than teams.

  16. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    Kassian is going to wear #44

    No one ever left Edmonton under a cloud after wearing that number.

    No siree.

    Well, to be fair, it does save time.

    Seriously, I wonder if the equipment guys gave him that on purpose or if he asked for it.

    I still say they should retire the number and raise it…in the broom closet.

  17. kooler says:

    Arizona Coyotes claimed Kevin Connauton, D – off waivers

    Was their defense in worse shape than ours?

  18. fifthcartel says:

    I think it’d be fair to suggest Chiarelli would look into Lucic if he makes it to free agency, which seems very likely with Kopitar’s contract extension. Unless they somehow dump Dustin Brown I’d say Lucic is bound to hit the market.

    The Kassian recall made me think of Lucic, and it kinda scares me as Oiler fan, but then I remember Jim Benning manages the Canucks and I don’t doubt he’d table a massive massive contract to tough, hometown kid Milan Lucic.

  19. Centre of attention says:

    kooler:
    Arizona Coyotes claimed Kevin Connauton, D – off waivers

    Was their defense in worse shape than ours?

    The logic goes he would probably block Griffin Reinhart, who by all reports has been playing fairly well in all situations with the Condors.

    Why claim Connauton when you can just call up the guy you traded valuable assets for?

  20. Primetime says:

    Posted this at end of an old thread….rookies……

    Hey guys, longtime reader, first time poster…LT thanks for the forum of “intellectual” Oiler talk if there can be such a thing…

    Reading the continual stream of Shattenkirk/Hamonic rumors which seems reasonable since those are the names the talking heads have told us may be available. But if Chia watched the same last 3 games we did, we have to be resigned to the fact that he will likely trade some of the core to change direction, whether we think its wise or not. If he does, he won’t do it before the trade deadline but wait till the summer to open the field of bidders and take advantage of the anger of recently eliminated playoff teams. I think this opens many more possibilities like:

    to MIN: RNH ( 6mmx5yrs) + Davidson
    to EDM: Koivu ( 6.75 x 2) + Dumba (RFA at 1.6)

    Why Min does this: Lots of rumors of wanting a true #1 center and needing to get out of Koivu’s contract to do it. Apparently hot and heavy for Johansen but lost out. Too much money tied up in D already…we all thought Spurgeon would shake lose out of the top 4 but new contract says otherwise. Of course they would rather dump Brodin but that doesn’t get them a #1 center

    Why Edm does this: Gets us a young physical, fast right handed D that can skate and a bomb of a shot (please let Schultz walk!). Don’t want to trade RNH, but we have to face possibility. One big argument against is he provides cover for Drai/McD…Koivu is as good if not better to face Western toughs? Equally good is his contract is up at end of McD ELC…lots of time to find cheaper 3C replacement when you have to back up the money truck for Connor.

    I think this is best case scenario of trading RNH…no one is trading a #1D straight up for him, so have to get creative and grab someone on the verge. If you can still get Harmonic then you can run:

    Klef-Hamonic
    Sekara-Dumba
    Nurse-Reinhart-Vet

    Obviously other teams may have similar offers (NYD-Zajac/Larson: Better Dman but Zajac worse contract)
    This would be my choice.

    Thoughts?

  21. RexLibris says:

    Shane8830:
    I’m thinking they want him up to speed for Florida’s game to protect Hall from any shenanigans.

    Kassian isn’t a deterrent factor, in so far as those even exist anymore.

    He’s more of a “well, if that’s the way you want to play it we’ve got an Oglethorpe of our own” kind of guy.

    Based on McLellan’s press conference post-Florida I’d guess Kassian has been instructed as to what is expected of him. My guess is that ad hoc rhinoplasty and hockey stick topiary design of an opposition’s face are not on the approved list.

    Kassian is probably going to be the fore checker, the agitator, the net-front presence, the guy who tries to get the other team pissed off enough that it’ll give McLellan more at-bats for the powerplay, such as it is.

    I’d guess limited minutes, sheltered competition.

  22. frjohnk says:

    RexLibris: I’d mentioned awhile back that with the very real prospect of a flat or minimal-rise cap the Oilers need to trade as many of the expiring contracts (plus Schultz) into whatever draft picks, prospects and grab bags of assets they possibly can this deadline.
    Those assets will be of prime value this coming spring once the hoopla of a playoff run is over and teams are left staring, bleary-eyed and sobering by the second, at their roster and where to cut expenses.

    Totally agree.

    I think the Oilers resign Talbot as the only UFA.

    As for RFA’s.

    Schultz, NO
    Davidson YES
    Broissant, YES
    Nilsson, yes, but one would have to think the Oilers want to see what the have with LB soon
    Pak, yes
    Kassian, up in the air
    Osterle, Musil and Kessy yes

    I could see at the trade deadline

    Maybe a 2nd for Teddy
    A 2nd or 3rd for Schultz
    A 3rd or 4th for Gryba

    Don’t think the OIlers would get anything for Nikitin or Klinkhammer

    Oilers could sign Teddy and/or Gryba. Don’t think that’s the case with Schultz

  23. Water Fire says:

    fifthcartel:
    I think it’d be fair to suggest Chiarelli would look into Lucic if he makes it to free agency, which seems very likely with Kopitar’s contract extension. Unless they somehow dump Dustin Brown I’d say Lucic is bound to hit the market.

    The Kassian recall made me think of Lucic, and it kinda scares me as Oiler fan, but then I remember Jim Benning manages the Canucks and I don’t doubt he’d table a massive massive contract to tough, hometown kid Milan Lucic.

    Maybe Lucic wants to win and the Oilers have a better chance by far to rise.

  24. Dicky94 says:

    How many shifts until Kassian is up playing with Hall and Drai?

  25. oilswell says:

    The Edmonton Oilers called Zack Kassian back to the NHL today, in a move that is likely to be famous 10 years from now—we just don’t know how it will go, or why it will be famous. Yet.

    I was not a fan of Kassian, but somehow I liked the thought of adding Marchment even less. Not sure if that’s bad or good, but I can say I am interested in seeing what events unfold.

    I mean, it’s not like this show isn’t already a train wreck.

  26. RexLibris says:

    Water Fire: Maybe Lucic wants to win and the Oilers have a better chance by far to rise.

    I did get a giggle today thinking about Kassian playing with Lucic.

    That would certainly be an Oilers team we’ve not seen in a very, very long time.

  27. kooler says:

    Centre of attention,

    You mean we could of had Mathew Barzal, Oliver Kylington, and Connauton!

    Saw Reinhardt here in Vancouver ….I’m hoping it works out.

  28. Water Fire says:

    RexLibris: I did get a giggle today thinking about Kassian playing with Lucic.

    That would certainly be an Oilers team we’ve not seen in a very, very long time.

    As Connor’s wingers

  29. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    I have to admit defeat on Schultz.

    I thought he worked hard this summer (he did).

    I thought he said the right things (he did).

    I thought he had the talent to succeed (still think he does).

    I thought McLellan’s power play would help him score 40 points (not even close).

    I thought he would become a passable bottom pairing even strength defender with good PP stats (wrong again).

    I always thought he got paid too much and that contract when he had no arb rights was way too high (I was right on that one). That was the contract before his current one.

    But I know I wasn’t the only one wrong because a lot of people disagreed with my view on his 2nd contract being way too high.

    Nonetheless I have been wrong on him. I hope if he gets traded that he can salvage his career elsewhere.

    I was hoping he would play well enough for us this year to get a 2 year extension at a reasonable 3m per year. Oh well.

  30. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    After starting off the second 25-game stretch 6-0, the Oilers have managed to somehow go 3-10 in the last 13, including coughing up 2 wins vs. Tampa and Arizona that should have been easy with 2 goal leads.

    They now stand at 9-10, meaning they have to go 3-3 for me to win my prediction bet with The Other John. It should have been easier!

    Typical Oilers!!

  31. stevezie says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Me too. I was seduced by his historic AHLseason.

    Still am, a little. He may do something. But he won’t do it here

  32. RexLibris says:

    Water Fire: As Connor’s wingers

    Jeezuz.

    Even Gretzky didn’t have that kind of protection when he had Semenko riding shotgun.

    It might shave 10 or 15 pts off the young man’s totals each year but not a hair would be out of place, game in/game out.

    🙂

  33. godot10 says:

    Lucic isn’t possible without finding someone to trade Pouliot too. Finding someone to take Pouliot with duration left is next to impossible.

    The cap room has to be spent on defense, not LW.

  34. wheatnoil says:

    So what’s the line in the sand for Kassian in order for him to be re-signed? I’ll put this out there…

    1) 5×5 P/60 = 1.25 (Currently that would place him squarely in 6th among wingers, well below Yak, Pou, Eberle, Hall, and Purcell but well above Korpikoski, Hendricks)

    2) Not be a possession drag (might be hard to determine given less than half a season assuming he sticks and it’ll be impacted by quality of linemates)

    3) Don’t be TOO much of a dink. (No more than one suspension)

    4) Bonus points for effective PP time.

    Thoughts?

  35. Centre of attention says:

    wheatnoil:
    So what’s the line in the sand for Kassian in order for him to be re-signed? I’ll put this out there…

    1) 5×5 P/60 = 1.25 (Currently that would place him squarely in 6th among wingers, well below Yak, Pou, Eberle, Hall, and Purcell but well above Korpikoski, Hendricks)

    2) Not be a possession drag (might be hard to determine given less than half a season assuming he sticks and it’ll be impacted by quality of linemates)

    3) Don’t be TOO much of a dink. (No more than one suspension)

    4) Bonus points for effective PP time.

    Thoughts?

    I think what you describe would be ideal. IDK if maybe he takes Letestu’s spot on the PP or what but if he pisses even a single drop we could call the trade a success.

  36. square_wheels says:

    wheatnoil,

    No O-zone penalties…..at the worst possible momentum killing time.

  37. square_wheels says:

    stevezie,

    The trebuchet is cranked and ready, Jultz is only delaying the inevitable. Maybe he is playing for his NHL life right now, but I witnessed the patented lean against the boards behind the net move and of course the pass and gawk.

  38. ashley says:

    square_wheels:
    wheatnoil,

    No O-zone penalties…..at the worst possible momentum killing time.

    One of the coaches I used to play for always said “O-zone penalties are a direct sign of lack of intelligence. If you don’t want me to think you are an idiot, don’t get a penalty in the offensive zone”.

    Of past players, Ethan Moreau comes immediately to the fore. Current leading candidate – Benoit Pouliot.

  39. square_wheels says:

    ashley,

    Pou and Moreau are very similar, interesting. Wonder what Kassians penalty history looks like under the microscope ?

  40. kinger_OIL says:

    – Primetime: good post! Too many moving parts to get to what you have though I’d say .

    – Would you rather have kept Petry and this year your D is:

    Petry-Sekera
    Klef-Fayne
    Nurse-Gryba/Davidson

    or McD and cluster-f#ck D: at least no Petry improved chance of getting Conner is how I rationalize it

  41. stush18 says:

    Primetime,

    Welcome. That’s actually a pretty good proposal. I think koivu would fit chiarellis image of big stron centre too.

    I think we need to add just a touch more. But that’s actually a pretty reasonable trade proposal. I read Minnesota is hot on drouin though, and the ask is dumba. Might throw a wrench into the plan

  42. Younger Oil says:

    wheatnoil:
    So what’s the line in the sand for Kassian in order for him to be re-signed? I’ll put this out there…

    1) 5×5 P/60 = 1.25 (Currently that would place him squarely in 6th among wingers, well below Yak, Pou, Eberle, Hall, and Purcell but well above Korpikoski, Hendricks)

    2) Not be a possession drag (might be hard to determine given less than half a season assuming he sticks and it’ll be impacted by quality of linemates)

    3) Don’t be TOO much of a dink. (No more than one suspension)

    4) Bonus points for effective PP time.

    Thoughts?

    Agreed on all except I’d replace #3 with no dumb penalties rather than no suspensions.

  43. speeds says:

    wheatnoil:
    So what’s the line in the sand for Kassian in order for him to be re-signed? I’ll put this out there…

    FWIW, his QO is at 2M, although nothing prevents him and the Oilers for agreeing to a deal for less money prior to that.

  44. Water Fire says:

    Lucic 2010-2015
    136 goals
    Eberle 2010-2015
    130 goals

    Eberle had younger years in there, but it remains that Lucic is a contributor where it counts and brings a lot of horrible. If Kassian can keep it together and be decent, and they could sign both it would revolutionize the team. It would give the Oilers a team complexity up front very hard to deal with: either an ogre or an assassin.

    UFA is a wildcard, whether guys make it to UFA at all or choose the good guys, but here is a scenario I like:

    Hall Nuge Neon – 12.925
    Lucic McDavid Eberle – 13.425 (Lucic 6.5×5)
    Yak Lander Kassian – 4.74 (Kassian at 1.25×1)
    Korpse Letestu Pakarinen – 5.3
    Khaira .875

    Klefbom Demers – 8.667 (Demers 4.5)
    Davidson Sekera – 6.5
    Nurse Gryba – 2.113
    Reinhart – .925

    Talbot – 2.5
    Broissoit – 1

    roster 22
    cap hit 60.05
    bonuses 8.525
    cap space 11.349

    I feel Nilsson is leaky. Maybe AHL time helps. There is a lot of cap preserved for the contracts coming up.

    Pouliot to Montreal for a second
    Fayne to Coyotes in the summer for a second
    Hendricks to a contender

    Edit: Ference bought out at 1.083

  45. stush18 says:

    speeds: FWIW, his QO is at 2M, although nothing prevents him and the Oilers for agreeing to a deal for less money prior to that.

    This is my question on Schultz? Why can’t we agree to a deal less than his QO before the seasons out?

  46. LadiesloveSmid says:

    godot10:
    Lucic isn’t possible without finding someone to trade Pouliot too.Finding someone to take Pouliot with duration left is next to impossible.

    The cap room has to be spent on defense, not LW.

    would anyone prefer Lucic at ~6.5-7M over Pouliot at 4?

  47. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Water Fire,

    Lucic in 2010-2012 doesn’t really help

    his last 3.5 seasons his points per 82 is 51

    Pouliot’s in the same time frame is just under 44P/82GP

    TOI and linemates aside (which would benefit Lucic heavily one would imagine)

    difference isn’t enough for me to throw big money at Lucic, think you’re paying more for his reputation than his ability

  48. Water Fire says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Water Fire,

    Lucic in 2010-2012 doesn’t really help

    his last 3.5 seasons his points per 82 is 51

    Pouliot’s in the same time frame is just under 44P/82GP

    TOI and linemates aside (which would benefit Lucic heavily one would imagine)

    difference isn’t enough for me to throw big money at Lucic, think you’re paying more for his reputation than his ability

    There is a signifcant difference between Pouliot and Lucic. I put Lucic goals down instead of points because he scores in the same league as Eberle and isn’t there to be the playmaker.

    For me it’s about changing the team dynamics to cater to the talent, as opposed to the talent having to cater to the people they get stuck with who require them to make things work.

    To me that is the difference between a good team and a bad team. If Ebelre has Lucic as his linemate, the world is his oyster. Otherwise I would trade him because the better players have to work to support him.

  49. frjohnk says:

    LadiesloveSmid: would anyone prefer Lucic at ~6.5-7M over Pouliot at 4?

    Chia might. And few would know those two players better than him

    If the Kassian experiment does not work out, I think the possibility of Chia going after Lucic increases.

    But I hope Kassian works out so we dont have to go after Lucic and use that exrta money on D.

  50. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Water Fire: There is a signifcant difference between Pouliot and Lucic. I put Lucic goals down instead of points because he scores in the same league as Eberle and isn’t there to be the playmaker.

    For me it’s about changing the team dynamics to cater to the talent, as opposed to the talent having to cater to the people they get stuck with who require them to make things work.

    To me that is the difference between a good team and a bad team. If Ebelre has Lucic as his linemate, the world is his oyster. Otherwise I would trade him because the better players have to work to support him.

    Pouliot’s scored more goals per game in 3 of the last 4 seasons than Lucic.

    If I’m Chia I don’t spend 2.5-3M in upgrading meanness. Spend that on Demers or Byfuglien or save it for Shattenkirk’s next contract, etc.

  51. speeds says:

    stush18: This is my question on Schultz? Why can’t we agree to a deal less than his QO before the seasons out?

    No reason that they couldn’t, if both sides were willing.

  52. Water Fire says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Pouliot’s scored more goals per game in 3 of the last 4 seasons than Lucic.

    If I’m Chia I don’t spend 2.5-3M in upgrading meanness. Spend that on Demers or Byfuglien or save it for Shattenkirk’s next contract, etc.

    Fair enough. I’m not trying to say Lucic is a better scorer than Eberle or Pouliot, I am saying the Oilers need what he brings, and he brings a ton more of it than Pouliot.

    Byf and Shattenkirk are great but could be cap killers. Byf is very likely going to be in the same boat as Ference, not worth it after 2 – 3 years, and Shat is going to be an expensive player, if he resigns, and isn’t top pairing because he needs sheltering.

    Is anybody willing to put a definition on what a top pairing is? I don’t think top pairing means what you think it means.

  53. frjohnk says:

    Water Fire: Is anybody willing to put a definition on what a top pairing is?

    I don’t know.

    Neither do Hall and Eberle.

    They have never played with one since they become Oilers

  54. Water Fire says:

    “Blocking shots is like killing rats. Doing it is preferable to not, but if you’re doing it all the time it suggests you have bigger problems”

    Kent Wilson

  55. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Water Fire: Fair enough. I’m not trying to say Lucic is a better scorer than Eberle or Pouliot, I am saying the Oilers need what he brings, and he brings a ton more of it than Pouliot.

    Byf and Shattenkirk are great but could be cap killers. Byf is very likely going to be in the same boat as Ference, not worth it after 2 – 3 years, and Shat is going to be an expensive player, if he resigns, and isn’t top pairing because he needs sheltering.

    Is anybody willing to put a definition on what a top pairing is? I don’t think top pairing means what you think it means.

    I didn’t use the term top pairing anywhere, so I’m really not sure where that is coming from.

    I think any of the 3 names I mentioned improve EDM’s D, if you thought I implied top pair I didn’t.

    I agree that Shattenkirk will be very expensive and will probably be paid more than he’s worth. He’d be a huge addition though, and that’s why I’d be very stingy with throwing contracts around.

    If Buff would sign a 5 year deal, I would be ecstatic. He’d do a ton for the PP and offence in general. He’s got a lot of what you probably like in Lucic too. He’s a gamble like you say, but a gamble I’d take in EDM’s shoes.

  56. Centre of attention says:

    frjohnk: I don’t know.

    Neither do Hall and Eberle.

    They have never played with one since they become Oilers

    When they had Burns and Ekblad on their blue line at the world championships they shared the team lead in scoring for the most part.

    But that’s none of my business *sips coffee*

  57. wheatnoil says:

    speeds: FWIW, his QO is at 2M, although nothing prevents him and the Oilers for agreeing to a deal for less money prior to that.

    Good to know. I wasn’t sure what his QO was. They could also not qualify him and sign him for a lower amount, depending on if other teams are interested. They could also give him term and sign him for less (2 years at $1.5 as an example). $2M isn’t bad for a reasonable 3rd liner with offense, but you’d have to be confident that he’s above a 4th liner and could jump up into the skill lines if necessary. Otherwise you’ve got another Korpikoski, Hendricks, or Letestu on your hands.

  58. Water Fire says:

    frjohnk: I don’t know.

    Neither do Hall and Eberle.

    They have never played with one since they become Oilers

    Now I’m crying

  59. jake70 says:

    5 – 0 Calgary leading Florida. God being an Oilers fan is hard.

  60. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Let’s not tar and feather Pouliot. He had a strong game last night.

    I warned you all before the Oilers signed him and even afterwards that Rangers fans used to lament his o-zone penalties.

    I said to still sign him anyway as he is effective. I thought he got paid too much and too much term. Last year he made me eat my words but on the back of career best shooting percentages. This year looks about right so far

    But we all had fair warning to expect offensive zone penalties. He is still a good player and can play for my team any time (if I had one).

  61. Centre of attention says:

    jake70:
    5 – 0Calgary leading Florida.God being an Oilers fan is hard.

    The panthers didn’t show up tonight. Sam Bennett had an easier hat trick then Max Domi. He lost the handle on the second goal but it beat Luongo. Third goal Bennett and his buddy were all alone in front of Luongo for like 10 seconds before Bennett backhands it in.

    I wish the Oilers could have an opponent play like the Panthers are playing tonight against the Flames.

  62. Water Fire says:

    LadiesloveSmid: I didn’t use the term top pairing anywhere, so I’m really not sure where that is coming from.

    I think any of the 3 names I mentioned improve EDM’s D, if you thought I implied top pair I didn’t.

    I agree that Shattenkirk will be very expensive and will probably be paid more than he’s worth. He’d be a huge addition though, and that’s why I’d be very stingy with throwing contracts around.

    If Buff would sign a 5 year deal, I would be ecstatic. He’d do a ton for the PP and offence in general. He’s got a lot of what you probably like in Lucic too. He’s a gamble like you say, but a gamble I’d take in EDM’s shoes.

    I mentioned top pairing because it gets used a lot around here, not that you mentioned it, as a missing element but I am not sure people actually know what one is or how they define it outside of the Oilers D sucks overall

    We had one in Petry. People still comment he isn’t, but that is how Montreal uses him, as did the Oilers. A top defenecman isn’t about offence, it’s about TCB, taking care of business in all disciplines. If he scores at a high rate you have an elite one, of the 5-6 or whatever are in the league.

  63. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Centre of attention: The panthers didn’t show up tonight. Sam Bennett had an easier hat trick then Max Domi. He lost the handle on the second goal but it beat Luongo. Third goal Bennett and his buddy were all alone in front of Luongo for like 10 seconds before Bennett backhands it in.

    I wish the Oilers could have an opponent play like the Panthers are playing tonight against the Flames.

    Panthers got 14 shots against the Oilers. Not like they didn’t give the Oilers a chance to win. But I hear ya.
    It just feels horrible at the moment. Even if I think this team is better than last year and is playing better despite the inexcusable mental errors.

  64. Centre of attention says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Panthers got 14 shots against the Oilers. Not like they didn’t give the Oilers a chance to win.But I hear ya.
    It just feels horrible at the moment. Even if I think this team is better than last year and is playing better despite the inexcusable mental errors.

    They didn’t shoot much but they had the lead the whole game and checked every inch against the Oilers. I didn’t once see the Oilers in alone on a bad line change by the panthers, or the panthers grossly missing assignments. If they did Lou was there. This game against the Flames they are thinking about home after a long road trip.

  65. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Centre of attention,

    Ok. I’m not watching this one so will defer to your opinion.

  66. Water Fire says:

    NYC

    If you want, Woodguy mentioned the Canadian $ is more correlated to copper than oil. What do you think about this?

  67. spoiler says:

    My guess is that if the plan is to try Broissoit in the Bigs next year, that we’ll see him get a fair number of starts in the last month, once the season is well and truly lost (in the eyes of everyone).

    The longer Talbot goes un-signed, the more I think Cam Ward is destined to be an Oiler.

  68. Lois Lowe says:

    The lottery pick is going to be the price for Hamonic this summer, maybe more given the potentially flat cap and his ridiculously low cap hit. The Oilers could add to the D without creating a hole anywhere else. It seems so simple.

  69. wheatnoil says:

    spoiler: I think Cam Ward is destined to be an Oiler.

    You shut your mouth with talk like that!

  70. stevezie says:

    Lois Lowe,

    Agreed, his amazing caphit increases his value. I don’t know if I would send a lotto for him though- he is the defensive defenceman people dream of, but he doesn’t bring much offence… I might trade down? Like the… let’s say third and Fayne, or something, for the… 19th and Hamonic? Am I getting greedy, as the woman leaning in her door taught us?

  71. Colieo87 says:

    The flames are kicking the Panthers ass 5-zip

  72. spoiler says:

    wheatnoil: You shut your mouth with talk like that!

    I know. Scares the livin’ crap outta me too. If this was still the Lowe & MacT Travelling Road Show (aka Hee Haw)… I’d bet Woodguy’s house on it.

  73. Zelepukin says:

    5-0 going into the third… if it was us, I’d still watch the 3rd with expectations that we could blow it. #becauseoilers

  74. spoiler says:

    wheatnoil: You shut your mouth with talk like that!

    I mean, I can see an argument being made that if Broissoit is on the big squad next year, they want a proven vet to mentor him through it, be an example, that kind of thing.

    I think our opinion of what Ward has proven though differs from theirs. But he should know how to manage fatigue etc,

  75. Ryan says:

    Pouzar, Penner, pisani, Hall, Schultz, and Yakupov.

  76. "Steve Smith" says:

    Ryan:
    Pouzar, Penner, pisani, Hall, Schultz, and Yakupov.

    Who are six people, four of whom have never been in my kitchen?

  77. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Centre of attention: If they did Lou was there.

    Not trying to nit pick but…
    I think you meant Montoya…
    Lu didn’t play against Edmonton…

  78. Ryan says:

    “Steve Smith”: Who are six people, four of whom have never been in my kitchen?

    Close, more like six Oilers player jersey numbers worth $1.5 billion on the powerball.

  79. OF17 says:

    stevezie:
    Lois Lowe,

    Agreed, his amazing caphit increases his value. I don’t know if I would send a lotto for him though- he is the defensive defenceman people dream of, but he doesn’t bring much offence… I might trade down? Like the… let’s say third and Fayne, or something, for the… 19th and Hamonic? Am I getting greedy, as the woman leaning in her door taught us?

    Yes, I think you’re getting greedy. The difference between Fayne and Hamonic, especially for a team looking to compete now, is bigger than the difference between 3rd and 19th. We have to remember that Fayne passed through waivers earlier this year. If he isn’t negative value around the league, he’s as close as you can get to it.

  80. "Steve Smith" says:

    stevezie:
    Lois Lowe,

    Am I getting greedy, as the woman leaning in her door taught us?

    I think you’re confusing her with the beggar and his wooden crutch. If you know what I mean.

  81. SwedishPoster says:

    “Steve Smith”: I think you’re confusing her with the beggar and his wooden crutch. If you know what I mean.

    I always related to the drunk in the midnight choir.

  82. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Water Fire:
    NYC

    If you want, Woodguy mentioned the Canadian $ is more correlated to copper than oil. What do you think about this?

    I haven’t looked into that because in the big picture for me, it doesn’t matter so much. I trust Woodguy to find that kind of back-tested info, though, so without doing research on it, (I am being lazy), I would believe him.

    But again, big picture it doesn’t matter too much. They’re both correlated enough that on a macro-level it’s a worry.

    To me, even if oil prices stabilize around, say $25-$30, other than a short-term technical rebound for the Canadian dollar, I see it continuing to weaken over the medium term. If/when that happens, you will see articles published talking about a surprising “decoupling,” which in fact, won’t be all that surprising when you consider the points kinger aptly made in the prior thread. If copper is a closer predictor of it, well, it doesn’t matter so much to me in the grand scheme of things. If I were a copper trader, of course I would care.

  83. StevieG_8 says:

    Centre of attention: The panthers didn’t show up tonight. Sam Bennett had an easier hat trick then Max Domi. He lost the handle on the second goal but it beat Luongo. Third goal Bennett and his buddy were all alone in front of Luongo for like 10 seconds before Bennett backhands it in.

    I wish the Oilers could have an opponent play like the Panthers are playing tonight against the Flames.

    I`d like to think that we got the panthers too exhausted for them to do good against canucks and flames.

  84. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Oh good. Bennett scores 4 goals so everyone east of Saskatchewan can talk about how the Oilers drafted the wrong guy again. Just peachy to be an Oil fan these days.

  85. stevezie says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    I’m going to start adding “if you know what I mean” to more sentences.

  86. "Steve Smith" says:

    stevezie:
    “Steve Smith”,

    I’m going to start adding “if you know what I mean” to more sentences.

    That’s what she said.

  87. hunter1909 says:

    The season is now over, and 90% of the fans understand. It blows, and many of us are depressed at the thought of following a team gunning for 29th place.

    Kassian is strictly comedy relief brought in to unofficially/officially open the annual Oilers Death March, if you know what I mean.

    That’s what she said.

  88. hunter1909 says:

    Shopping List for October: Two top pairing or close to it defencemen.

    Repair the bottom six, which flat out stinks. Bring in Jerome Iginla or Shane Doan to mentor the young “Special Needs” players(all of them).

  89. Lowetide says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Oh good. Bennett scores 4 goals so everyone east of Saskatchewan can talk about how the Oilers drafted the wrong guy again. Just peachy to be an Oil fan these days.

    I liked Bennett on draft day, but there was no way to lose that draft for Edmonton or Calgary imo. Bennett’s one issue is injury and that is a significant concern.

  90. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: I liked Bennett on draft day, but there was no way to lose that draft for Edmonton or Calgary imo. Bennett’s one issue is injury and that is a significant concern.

    Sam Gagner 2.0

    Draisraitl is the better player fit on a multitude of levels.

  91. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Lowetide: I liked Bennett on draft day, but there was no way to lose that draft for Edmonton or Calgary imo. Bennett’s one issue is injury and that is a significant concern.

    Yes sir. I agree with you. Pretty much had the same view as you on this one all along the way. The media, though? They have their favourites. And Bennett is one.

    Draisaitl? Not so much.

  92. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    hunter1909:
    Shopping List for October: Two top pairing or close to itdefencemen.

    Repair the bottom six, which flat out stinks. Bring in Jerome Iginla or Shane Doan to mentor the young“Special Needs” players(all of them).

    Shane Doan? Jarome Iginla? What is this, the Oilers rendition of Avenue Q?

    I don’t like the alternate universe you are proposing.

  93. SwedishPoster says:

    hunter1909,

    But but he’s the new Doug Gilmour

  94. ashley says:

    hunter1909:
    Shopping List for October: Two top pairing or close to itdefencemen.

    Repair the bottom six, which flat out stinks. Bring in Jerome Iginla or Shane Doan to mentor the young“Special Needs” players(all of them).

    Exactly right. In fact, even better would be a 32 yo Ryan Smyth. A veteran, mature, talented presence to show the kids professionalism, confidence, and sustained intensity from puck drop to the final horn.

    You watch Ryan Smyth blocking shots and skating his bag off in spite of a 5-1 lead and you understand a new level of professionalism.

    Honestly, this wouldn’t work for Schultz. But everyone else would benefit.

  95. "Steve Smith" says:

    stevezie:
    “Steve Smith”,

    In bed

    What? No – it was in the comments section of a hockey blog. Weirdo.

  96. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Bennett’s on pace for under 40P still. He’d have to have a BIG year next year for me to think about him at 3rd overall again.

    Draisaitl is lighting the league on fire at 19/20. Much more cerebral than Bennett and has 25 lbs on him

  97. Bruce McCurdy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    After starting off the second 25-game stretch 6-0, the Oilers have managed to somehow go 3-10 in the last 13, including coughing up 2 wins vs. Tampa and Arizona that should have been easy with 2 goal leads.

    They now stand at 9-10, meaning they have to go 3-3 for me to win my prediction bet with The Other John. It should have been easier!

    Typical Oilers!!

    A six-win lead is the worst lead in hockey.

  98. Bruce McCurdy says:

    StevieG_8: I`d like to think that we got the panthers too exhausted for them to do good against canucks and flames.

    Don’t forget “too injured”. Ekblad didnt play either game. Meanwhile Hendricks got suspended & Oilers’ weakened PK cost them the very next game. Plus of course the hit did nothing to turn around the oilers-Panthers game Itself.

    Couldnt have worked out a whole lot worse. #BecauseOilers.

  99. rickithebear says:

    Strong EVG scoring gets you to Playoffs and advance in playoffs.

    if Kassian was on outran last year.

    RNH 76gm 22 EvG
    Ederle 81gm 18 EVG
    Pouliot 58gm 14 EVG
    Hall 53gm 11 EVG
    Kassian 42gm 9 EVG
    ——————————-
    Yak 81gm 9 EVG
    Hendricks 71gm 8 EVG
    Purcell 82gm 7 EVG

    It is looking pretty obvious!

    Hall-Draisaitl-XXX 9.4M
    Pouliot-RNH-XXX 10M
    XXX-Mcdavid-Kassian 5,25M

  100. rickithebear says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Bennett’s on pace for under 40P still. He’d have to have a BIG year next year for me to think about him at 3rd overall again.

    Draisaitl is lighting the league on fire at 19/20. Much more cerebral than Bennett and has 25 lbs on him

    Might want to look at the best 1st comp EVPPG for C since the lockout!

  101. hunter1909 says:

    Playing Kassian with Yakupov strikes me as a good idea, if they feed off each other’s chaos.

  102. theres oil in virginia says:

    wheatnoil: You shut your mouth with talk like that!

    I counted (no I didn’t) 17 mentions that Cam Ward was from the area during the Canes game away-broadcast.

  103. stevezie says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    I regret nothing

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