THE LONG AND WINDING ROAD (BUMP BUMP)

This instant is an iconic moment in recent Oilers history, and I have been hoping Nail Yakupov could get back to that  point again in Edmonton. Last night our brilliant but flawed hero scored a goal, had multiple good looks and was absolutely flying. Nail Yakupov made a difference in the Shark tank.

FREE FALLING, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1
  • Oilers in January 2015: 5-7-1
  • Oilers in January 2016: 2-2-2
  • Oilers after 45 in 2014-15: 10-26-9, 29 points (-51 GD)
  • Oilers after 45 in 2015-16: 17-23-5, 39 points (-23 GD)

Ordinarily this is where I tell you where Edmonton ranks among the 30 teams (No. 28) and deliver some pissy line about the draft. Today, I will tell you that last night was a damned good game and it was encouraging. Don’t bring out the good whiskey, but you are allowed the hint of a smile.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

oilers blue nov 30

  • Interesting night for the third pairing, they played quite a bit in the big part of the game. Brandon Davidson also played a lot on the PK, Eric Gryba less because he was in the damned box quite a bit. Peter Chiarelli wants to find room for Griffin Reinhart, Gryba’s spot may be a good slot for him.
  • Andrej Sekera sent a few wayward son passes in strange directions, and got caught pinching on the GA, but he played forever and did many good things. Damn near scored in OT, but Martin bleeping Jones shaft (now there is a word) deflected the puck to the heavens. Thank you Jesus, thank you lord.
  • Mark Fayne was No. 4 in even-strength minutes tonight, perhaps Todd McLellan is growing to trust him a little more. If this guy is dangled at the deadline and no one bites, then the world has gone mad.
  • Darnell Nurse had some outstanding sequences, holy hell he was brilliant in moments of the game. He is all arms and legs (Larry Robinson looked exactly the same way, like Marcel Marceau on speed) but he can hammer and he can fly. Visually fantastic when in flight or working along the wall.
  • Justin Schultz is more settled with the puck these days, that is progress. One thing that has changed: There is far more try. I imagine it is too late but at least we saw a spark at the end.

sjs capture

CENTERS, LAST NIGHT

oil c nov 30

  • Anton Lander was part of a pretty effective line, he had a dynamite chance but blew a shoe on the play. I haven’t written his goodbye but it will be called Sail on, Red Eagle.
  • Leon Draisaitl and his new linemates (I was hoping they would stay together) couldn’t cash, Leon faced Brent Burns for seven minutes at evens (more than any other C, 5-3 Corsi events for Leon) and for me he didn’t get a lot of room. Sharks are a dandy team.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins got 10 minutes of Vlasic pickles (9-10) as well as that blasted Joe Thornton for 8:44 (8-9). I like the Nuge, he looked good to me but he didn’t cash again. The Oilers need him to post offense at evens.
  • Mark Letestu got Kassian and Purcell (more in a moment) and had some tough opposition (many of the Sharks best players were over 22 minutes on the night: Pavelski, Marleau, Vlasic, Burns played 28 minutes).

WINGERS, LAST NIGHT

oilers f nov 30

  • Nail Yakupov was brilliant in his return, all that pent up energy flowed through him and manifest itself in chance after chance. He was fantastic.
  • Lauri Korpikoski sent a lovely pass to Nail for the goal, but he got the short straw in playing time on a night when Todd McLellan had an abundance of tools on the wing.
  • Taylor Hall skated miles, almost cashed on a Kassian pass, seemed to be close to having things break right a few times. Alas, nothing rhymed. A great deal of frustration right now, I think he is Red from Shawshank (”I guess I just miss my friend”) without big Leon.
  • Jordan Eberle came alive in the clean air of OT, he and Nuge creating. I thought he scored at one point in the extra frame, but not to be. He was hot a couple of games back, suspect there is more coming from him before the AS break.
  • Benoit Pouliot was caught between the play a lot last night. There was one sequence where you could see him hesitating to go down low for support on defense, then committing, seeing the puck go back to the point where he should be, and of course he was out of position. Shiza happens, I still like him but sometimes he it looks like he isn’t keeping up with the lessons.
  • Iiro Pakarinen did a good job in my opinion, playing higher up the depth chart. He is a hard worker, don’t know that he belongs with Hall, but he did a helluva lot more than Pitlick did in the same situation a year ago.
  • Zack Kassian really does add a dimension. He hit a few guys, dropped his stick a lot, gave a cool interview and worked like a bugger. It is going to take some time, but the higher power I believe in insists on forgiveness so that will come in time. As I get older, it gets tougher. You would think it would be the other way around.
  • Teddy Purcell had a tough night with the Corgi’s and I don’t think his line was especially custom built for him, but he helped get the puck headed in a good direction and showed up in good ways. I am genuinely going to miss him when he’s gone.

STUBBORN KIND OF FELLOW

  • Peter Chiarelli about Griffin Reinhart: “I want to have him in the NHL. I believe he’s ready. He made the team. He’s a hell of a defenceman. He went down there nobly. And I told him I’d get him back up here. I’m glad we acquired him. He’s going to be a big part of the future. We have a player here who can dominate, and that can lug the puck, and that can make plays and for a bigger-sized man, he can move well, and I would expect him to be in our Top Four at some point. I wanted him to play more games without the pressure of being up here and I’ll get him back at some point in the relatively near future.” Source

I suspect Reinhart will be on the team after the All-Star break (perhaps with fellow rookie Brandon Davidson on the third pairing) and it brings into light an interesting problem for the GM. He has amassed quite the collection of LH blue, without adding much in the way of the lesser hand. Of course, you can play lefties anywhere (brilliant people, really), so we might see a top 6D next season like this:

  • Klefbom—Sekera
  • Nurse—Hamonic
  • Reinhart—Davidson

I would still run Fayne with Davidson but Reinhart is either here full time next season or he is down the line. One thing we should discuss is PC including one of the young lefties in a package to get a stone cold top pairing blue for RH side:

  • Griffin Reinhart—I don’t think he has the established value to be a centerpiece for procurement, not in getting a capable defenseman who can play big minutes.
  • Brandon Davidson—Big step forward, but NHL teams are going to want to see it over a longer period before his real value sinks in. Besides, he is a real value contract—Edmonton needs to be keeping guys who are worth $1M (or more) than they are being paid.
  • Darnell Nurse—I would rate the possibility of his being dealt at less than zero, but the Oilers have a lot of kids applying for the same spot in the batting order. You could fetch a giant or a Spaniard with Nurse as the available asset.
  • Oscar Klefbom—Young defender whose only negative is injury, hard to imagine Chiarelli moving him just as he gets into the heart of his NHL career. I think the chances of trading him are about equal to Nurse: Zero.

I think it is probably Reinhart or bust in terms of trading the young lefties, and I do think those pairings above are not far from what we will see next season. Is it enough? I will say no, not enough for a playoff team. Edmonton probably needs to add two defenders this summer, while also retaining Sekera, Klefbom, Nurse and Davidson. I could see them getting by with one addition, but only if Todd McLellan trusts Mark Fayne—we have no real evidence this will happen.

CAM TALBOT

Time to sign the man. Last night’s goal was not a good one, but he recovered and shut the door until the shootout. This morning, his SP is .912 and he is the main reason Edmonton is 2-2-2 in a frustrating and confusing month. Sign the man.

The team that loses out on Drouin may come calling to the Oilers. Shattenkirk, Vatanen? Don’t know that Nashville trades another defender this winter.

Peter Chiarelli should be in on this, and I think the time has come to bite the bullet a little. If they deal for him, and it works out, you have a major piece for a contending team. If it doesn’t, you overpay on the front end (for an extended rental) and don’t get enough back at 2017 deadline, but at least you did something and that’s what this fan base is screaming for today. Would you accept an Eberle plus for Shattenkirk plus trade? It may come to that, folks. Call it a difficult sacrifice in an effort to regain the balance lost in the 2006 Pronger trade. My goodness it has been a long time.

balance 33

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

Today on the show (TSN1260, 10 this morning) we have a variety of subjects to cover and interesting guests to discuss them with on the show.

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. How are the two major sports networks adjusting to this new contract? Have things settled down yet?
  • Antony Bent, FC Edmonton. A big week for the Eddies, including a major signing and schedule release. We will talk about it and of course transfer window!
  • Paul Almeida, SSE. He’s back! Preview the Saturday show, talk about the deadline and signing free agents like Talbot and Purcell.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Trade deadline, plus the Canadian dollar and the implications for NHL teams. Does that impact this deadline?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

written by

The author didn‘t add any Information to his profile yet.
Related Posts

198 Responses to "THE LONG AND WINDING ROAD (BUMP BUMP)"

  1. Pouzar says:

    Awesome post lots of stuff here.

  2. Halfwise says:

    I’m sitting here mulling over what should be done and what will be done.

    Eberle would be my main trade piece going out. His gifts and entertainment value are unmistakable and his weakness (zone exits, even 3 on 3!) can be worked around on the right team.

    Davidson’s value contract is a second attractive piece. Fayne is the third. I value all these guys.

    Some mix of the above, but only for a true RH #1 D and a young LW or RD prospect.

  3. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Signing Talbot: agreed. Do it before the price goes up anymore. Would 10m/3 do it now? Think the price has gone up from 2.5m per this month

    Yakupov: I hear the “easing” in argument, but personally disagree. Best forward on the ice gets 2nd least ice time at 11:30. If he isn’t ready and needs to be eased back in to that degree then you’re rushing him back too soon from injury. Keep him out then. If he is ready and he is playing as well as he was last night, play him more.

    Klefbom and injury concern are becoming synonymous. He is a great talent, but I would say there is a slight chance they move him to change the “handedness” balance. Klefbom for Hamonic, for example. Not saying that it will happen, but if they were to move one of him or Nurse it’s going to be Oscar.

    I think the Oilers may do Eberle for Shattenkirk. Do the Blues? The Oilers would also have to take another salary back for cap reasons, but the 50-man is almost full.

  4. smellyglove says:

    That last photo is perfect, LT.

  5. mattwatt says:

    LT,

    When do the Oilers pull the chute on Nilsson. I remember early on in the year, when Talbot couldn’t stop a beach ball, after one of his putrid performances I (in a fairly drunken state) proclaimed that he should be sent down to the minors. Reason being I had seen this movie before (Dubnyk, Scrivens, etc..) and it often ended in heartbreak. Thankfully, I was proven an idiot and Talbot has done nothing but play stellar since then.

    Could we see the same story for Nilsson then? Or, should the Oilers cut bait right now and call up Broissoit. Just wondering because the Oilers can’t afford to lose anymore games than necessary. Furthermore, Nillson doesn’t exactly inspire a ‘winning’ feeling right now. So do you hope the player figures it out and ride Talbot in the mean time? Or do you say ‘screw it’ and try to play your two best goalies right now? Also, what would be best for Broissoit’s development?

    Once again, the Oilers have a roster decision to make. Just would like your insight into what the right one is.

    Take care and keep up the great work.

  6. Pouzar says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: I think the Oilers may do Eberle for Shattenkirk.

    An extended Shattenkirk and I think they pull the trigger.

  7. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    mattwatt,

    You weren’t alone. Many people were ready to cut him loose back then.

    Others preached patience. Nilsson isn’t a bad option still. Maybe they sign him for one more year as Brossoit insurance.

  8. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Pouzar: An extended Shattenkirk and I think they pull the trigger.

    Oh, I think so. Depends on the dollars he wants, I suppose.

  9. Clay says:

    “You could fetch a giant or a Spaniard with Nurse as the available asset.”

    Brilliant!

    edit: by “brilliant”, I’m referring to the, um, reference, not trading Nurse 🙂

  10. Really? says:

    I agree that the Oilers need to add 2 high level D men between now and the start of the 2016-2017 season if they are to be competitive.

    They will need one offensive type of D man such as Shattenkirk, Yandle, Vatanen or perhaps Ellis.

    They will also need a reliable minute muncher defensive focussed D man such as Hamonic.

    My hope is that they can acquire one of these assets by trading a player/winger such as Eberle plus a somewhat lesser asset or prospect. I then hope they are able acquire the second D man via free agency or an offer sheet. This woud only require the expenditure of dollars and would preserve other existing assets (players).

    If Chiarelli is able to accomplish this with minimum disruption to the core, he will have succeeded in giving this team a chance to compete at the highest levels. The re-signing of Talbot may also be a key step in the overall process

  11. G Money says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Klefbom and injury concern are becoming synonymous.

    If these were all ‘hockey injuries’, the kind incurred by flow of play (knees, shoulders, that kind of thing) I’d agree with you, since they’d indicate that physically he might not be capable of handling the style of hockey he plays.

    But the injuries keeping him out right now are not actually hockey injuries of that mold. One is (was) a broken finger from an errant skate blade. Just bad goddamn luck aka Welcome to the Oilers. The other is an infection, which is about as far from a hockey injury as there is (even if the natural conditions of hockey equipment and locker rooms probably exacerbated it).

    In other words, like Taylor Hall’s ‘skate to the head’, these issues shouldn’t affect our assessment of Klefbom’s resilience relative to what it was at the start of this season.

  12. oliveoilers says:

    Clay:
    “You could fetch a giant or a Spaniard with Nurse as the available asset.”

    Brilliant!

    edit: by “brilliant”, I’m referring to the, um, reference, not trading Nurse

    But sadly not a dread pirate.

  13. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    G Money,

    If I were referring only to his staph infection I would agree, but his injury history is quite long. Concussion, shoulder, etc.

    Since the draft his durability has always been an issue.

  14. Hope is a good thing says:

    LT: Add Shattenkirk and Hamonic and you can put up the Raquel Welch poster.

  15. kinger_OIL says:

    – Would Pouliot, Purcell, Jultz, be enough for Shattenkirk?

    – Purcell/Jultz get a 2nd opinion and come off books this year: Pouliot is bonafide scorer…

    – You are only getting Shattnekirk for 18 months: so he’s discounted in a trade

  16. Caramel Obvious says:

    Pouzar: An extended Shattenkirk and I think they pull the trigger.

    You can’t trade for an extended Shattenkirk, there is no such thing.

    However, I would trade Eberle knowing I was going to pay what I had to to keep him.

    Shattenkirk is the real deal. Far preferable to any of the alternatives mentioned.

    The problem is that I’m not at all sure that Eberle is enough. So what else do you have to give?

  17. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    oliveoilers: But sadly not a dread pirate.

    Ah, but ROBERTS has been training McDavid in the offseason. Maybe Connor is the new reincarnate Roberts and is keeping his identity a secret.

  18. OF17 says:

    Has the fabled deal for an extended player ever actually happened in the NHL? In the NBA it does, but it doesn’t really in hockey.

    Can’t discuss an extension with Shattenkirk anyways until after July 1, which means there’s a significant chance we miss the boat on trading for him. I say go for it. The things that hockey players typically want – the chance to contribute, big minutes, big money, playing with star talent, the chance to win a Cup – are all things Edmonton can provide in spades, and if the young man is hoping to be dealt just to end the uncertainty, that bodes well for the team trading for him extension-wise. We need to take a leap, and it’s a reasonable one.

    Worst case scenario, Shattenkirk doesn’t re-sign, and you either deal him for a 1st + prospect + at deadline 2017 or keep him as a rental for yourself. Then that offseason you have Eberle’s $6 million to play with. That’s the worst case. Best case, you’ve found 27-year-old Brent Burns. I happen to think the latter is more likely than the former.

  19. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    kinger_OIL,

    Way too much salary going to St Louis.

  20. G Money says:

    mattwatt: When do the Oilers pull the chute on Nilsson. I remember early on in the year, when Talbot couldn’t stop a beach ball, after one of his putrid performances I (in a fairly drunken state) proclaimed that he should be sent down to the minors. Reason being I had seen this movie before (Dubnyk, Scrivens, etc..) and it often ended in heartbreak. Thankfully, I was proven an idiot and Talbot has done nothing but play stellar since then.

    This is an important lesson.

    Small samples and goalies don’t mix. Their numbers are ludicrously volatile. It wasn’t wise to anoint Nilsson a starter after his hot run earlier in the season (let alone in the preseason, a stance for which I took much ribbing), nor was it wise to write Talbot off after a run of five bad games.

    Now, one thing where once again I am tilting against the conventional wisdom is that while 5 or 10 games is a ludicrously small sample, what determines an ‘adequate’ sample is smaller than most people think.

    At least for the purposes of determining whether a young goalie is likely to be elite, starter, or backup material, about 1,300 EV saves gives you a really good idea (that’s somewhere between 55 and 70 NHL games).

    Anders is coming up on 48 games and about 900 EV saves, and has pitched backup level numbers overall. So if he’s going to do something to indicate he’s better than that, that he’s actually starter calibre, I think he needs to start showing better, more consistent goaltending fairly quickly.

    But his book isn’t fully written as yet.

  21. Water Fire says:

    “Would you accept an Eberle plus for Shattenkirk plus trade?”

    I would. If they were talking to that point I’m sure Shat’s position moving forward could be felt out.

    I’m also sure he’d rather end up in Edmonton than Columbus like jones

  22. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    OF17,

    Your overall point is valid, but Shattenkirk and Burns are quite different as players. Burns is a lot bigger, more physical, and scores more goals. Shattenkirk is more like what we all hoped Schultz would become: a gifted puck-mover and passer and solid/more than acceptable defender.

  23. kinger_OIL says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    kinger_OIL,

    Way too much salary going to St Louis.

    – I was just about to edit and include: “whatever salary needed to come back…”But looking at roster: man are they well built: no old guys, no anchor contracts that I see. A really finely constructed team:

    http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/STL/2016.html

  24. oliveoilers says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Ah, but ROBERTS has been training McDavid in the offseason. Maybe Connor is the new reincarnate Roberts and is keeping his identity a secret.

    Connor has something to tell the NHL: He really shoots right.

  25. offshoreoil says:

    Liked the way Kassian was able to get the puck out of their end for a change.

  26. Oilspill says:

    A lot of players choose Canadian teams as last choice. They like the anonymity associated with US markets. Toronto Montreal Vancouver have the big city aura. We want..we need to overpay not doubt.

  27. flea says:

    At this point, I wouldn’t mind if the Oilers traded Eberle for Shattenkirk. Even though it’s a risk, even 1.5 years of Shattenkirk would help this defense core just by pushing everyone down.

    Maybe a a new building, the prospect of playing with McDavid and a good coach is enough for him to continue his career here.

  28. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    kinger_OIL,

    They could use more scoring behind Tarasenko and Schwartz and Backes. That’s why you could envision a trade between these two teams. But they need to balance salary out.

    Eberle and Davidson for Shattenkirk and Brouwer (salary purposes) would likely be something the Blues would pounce on. But of course the Oilers wouldn’t want to do that. Especially as Davidson has been playing well at a cheap salary and Shattenkirk has only one year left after this on his contract. Maybe they throw in a conditional draft pick if Shattenkirk doesn’t re-sign.

    Blues need immediate help so I don’t really see prospects being part of what they are looking for, either.

  29. oliveoilers says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Even if Davidson plays terrible for the rest of the year, he’s found money.

  30. vinotintazo says:

    klink cleared.

  31. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    oliveoilers:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Even if Davidson plays terrible for the rest of the year, he’s found money.

    Which I agree with and why I say the Oilers wouldn’t want to do that deal. 🙂 If it were offered, though, I think the Blues would take it.

  32. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    The long and winding road for oil $29 (bump) and the CAD $1.45 (bump) continues.

  33. Centre of attention says:

    It just hit me that we have barely been able to see Connor in 3 on 3 over time.

    The kid is going to be making some poor D feel awful with that much room.

  34. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    I would argue we can’t afford to part with Davidson. What we need to do is lock him up for as long as possible for a number as far south of $3 per year as possible. We are going to need a value deal on the backend because Nurse will be expensive as will Shattenkirk, as Sekera is already. Klefbom represents value at 4.

    That leaves Reinhart, or other, also on the cheaper end of the spectrum.

    Can’t trade Davidson. Just can’t.

  35. SoCaloil says:

    I would do Ebs for Shattenkirk in a heartbeat.

    I am not an advocate of trading the Nuge. I’ve said before that I’d quit following the oil and this blog if that happened. But for Shattenkirk, plus a depth C… I may be ok with that.

    You have Shattenkirk, Sekera, and Klef, Nurse, and Reinheart and wow..this team will be able to wheel.

  36. flea says:

    Maybe Reinhart is the defenseman that could be included to get it done?

  37. jake70 says:

    LT, agree on Remenda….don’t mind him at all.

  38. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!,

    I never said the Oilers should trade Davidson.

    Man…

    Anyway, a deal has to make sense for both teams. Oilers need D, Blues need scoring. A straight Eberle for Shattenkirk deal doesn’t work for the Blues. They need a lesser D back and to send salary to offset Eberle.

    I was merely mulling what an actual Shattenkirk for Eberle deal might look like (shattenkirk, brouwer, conditional pick for Eberle, Davidson).

    Never said the Oilers should trade Davidson, but they might.

  39. Thor762 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Do you think a max salary retained Schultz and Eberle for Shattenkirk and another player to make the dollars work might be interesting to the Blues?

    Just spitballing. Hate to see Davidson go since he is emerging on such a cheap contract.

  40. RexLibris says:

    SPAM ALERT!

    In my best Professor Farnsworth voice…

    *ahem*

    “Good news, everyone!”

    http://flamesnation.ca/2016/1/15/mid-year-update-on-the-oilers

    Edit: best comment I have received in a long time goes to…

    Heartless, gutless spoiled bunch of sissies who won’t even stick up for themselves

  41. oliveoilers says:

    RexLibris:
    SPAM ALERT!

    In my best Professor Farnsworth voice…

    *ahem*

    “Good news, everyone!”

    http://flamesnation.ca/2016/1/15/mid-year-update-on-the-oilers

    Edit: best comment I have received in a long time goes to…

    Who is Don Cherry talking about non Canadian hockey players, Alex?

  42. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    RexLibris:
    SPAM ALERT!

    In my best Professor Farnsworth voice…

    *ahem*

    “Good news, everyone!”

    http://flamesnation.ca/2016/1/15/mid-year-update-on-the-oilers

    Edit: best comment I have received in a long time goes to…

    Ha ha. I saw that. Forwarded the link again.
    Oilers running slowly out of time to even get to my 85 points prediction but I still think a better run is coming.

    TMAC needs to get his deployment right and stick with the hot hands and this team needs Klefbom back badly.

  43. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Thor762:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Do you think a max salary retained Schultz and Eberle for Shattenkirk and another player to make the dollars work might be interesting to the Blues?

    Just spitballing. Hate to see Davidson go since he is emerging on such a cheap contract.

    Schultz’ qualifying offer is at almost 4m, so even if the Oilers retain 50% this year he has no value to the Blues beyond this year because they will decline his QO.

    So, no, I can’t see the Blues wanting him because he and Eberle mean 10m in salary.

  44. Thor762 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Oh I agree going forward after this year. But for this playoffs, which is what they’re more worried about in the immediate future, Schultz could offer more than a pick or prospect once the regular season ends, especially playing way down the roster.

    Ebs and Shultz (50% retained) is 7.95 mill. Shattenkirk and Berglund/Brouwer is $8/8.5 mil. They can let Schultz walk at the end of the year and come away with a few years of Eberle at 6mil and 2/2.5mil cap space.

    Otherwise I’d say it’s likely a draft pick that goes along with Eberle.

  45. crimson20 says:

    In my opinion, Shattenkirk and the Blues is a dream scenario. Young RHD that drives his team’s offense. I can’t for the life of me tell why he’s on the block.

    THIS could be our Boychuk. I don’t think Eberle will work due to cost (thankfully – soft spot for him), and they don’t need more centres, but perhaps Yak/Schultz and I am not afraid to put a bunch of picks on the table. If push comes to shove, I put the 2016 pick down.

    These are not opportunities that come up often. This is not a deal we wait for the summer for and hope the asking price drops. 29 other teams want this guy. We have the youth, scoring and can afford to give up picks.

    In the words of Mr Laboeuf, “JUST DO IT!”

  46. fuzzy muppet says:

    Eberle and Reinhart and pick for shatt and Bergland?

  47. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Ca$h-McMoney!,

    I never said the Oilers should trade Davidson.

    Man…

    Anyway, a deal has to make sense for both teams. Oilers need D, Blues need scoring. A straight Eberle for Shattenkirk deal doesn’t work for the Blues. They need a lesser D back and to send salary to offset Eberle.

    I was merely mulling what an actual Shattenkirk for Eberle deal might look like (shattenkirk, brouwer, conditional pick for Eberle, Davidson).

    Never said the Oilers should trade Davidson, but they might.

    I don’t think you said you did, that’s why I didn’t tag you specifically. Sorry about the confusion.

    Rather I’m saying I’ve heard it bandied about generally, usually as a throw i to a larger deal. I think, generally, there is a lack of attention to the need for the Oilers to field capable cheap players in the event we want to keep our top end guys around. Hence the need to lock up a guy like Davidson, and the need to fill the Purcell slot with a value contract(if that can actually be Purcell I’m cool with that).

    No harm intended.

  48. Thor762 says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    I know I’d do that. Maybe the Blues would as well. So long as the first pick doesn’t go, seeing as that might be the cost of Hamonic.

  49. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Side note. It’s funny how the Blues answer to needing more offence is to shop their elite pick mover. I think they might have more luck resigning Shats and moving Petriangelo. I also think they’d get a far better return on the trade. Far better.

  50. Lackadaisical says:

    Having trouble finding my old comment, but I maintain that we’ll get a peek at the future entirely based on deployment of Draisaitl.

    If we run Nuge, Draisaitl, McDavid as centers, and try unicorns for a bit, I expect Nuge to be gone sooner. (Unless it works). Feeding extra ice time to Drai while Nuge takes the toughs.

    If we see the Hall Nuge Drail line running often, I expect Eberle to be the one moving. (Unless McDavid and Eberle have crazy chemistry).

    Barring that chemistry, ebs has value and isn’t great on the transition. Something we need, and something we need to get rid of. Yak is better defensively by my eye, works well with McDavid, and won’t cost a fortune.

    Neither is moving before the end of the season imo, because of this. We still don’t know what we have due to all the injuries.

  51. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!,

    Gotcha. Sorry. Came on the back of another comment saying don’t move Davidson and I was trying to make clear I wasn’t advocating for it.

    Agree with you on the need for bargain contracts. Purcell has outperformed my expectations this year and I eat crow to an extent there cause I thought he was done after last year, but my other choice, PTO Stempniak is having just as good a year for less so I don’the feel too bad.

    but if I were to re-sign Purcell it would only be for one year as well.

    The Blues might just solve their scoring issues by acquiring Drouin for cheap, and the Eberle discussion might be moot.

    No idea what they do with Shattenkirk in the end.

  52. Lois Lowe says:

    Oilspill,

    Toronto and Montreal are in a class of their own. Vancouver doesn’t have ‘big city’ aura it has a ‘quaint and beautiful’ aura.

  53. TheOtherJohn says:

    “Griffin Reinhart—I don’t think he has the established value to be a centerpiece for procurement, not in getting a capable defenseman who can play big minutes”

    That might be the understatement of 2016 so far. I do not think the Oilers could get a late first round pick in exchange for Reinhart today.

    Chia is also now relatively vague (“at some point”) as to the timeline for when Reinhart will be playing top 4 minutes for the Oilers.

  54. Dr. Taboggan says:

    As an offseason trade do you think St.Loo would accept the Oilers 1st for Shat? Do you think this would be a good trade for the Oilers if the pick was somewhere around 4-7? Also, how much would you resign Shat for the following year? I am sure he is going to want/get around 6 million a year.

  55. Pouzar says:

    So how bout dem Markets eh…Dow-n 450 pts

  56. Rondo says:

    I bet Oilers would take #16 + #33 in this years draft for Reinhart.

  57. Woodguy says:

    crimson20:
    In my opinion, Shattenkirk and the Blues is a dream scenario. Young RHD that drives his team’s offense. I can’t for the life of me tell why he’s on the block.

    THIS could be our Boychuk. I don’t think Eberle will work due to cost (thankfully – soft spot for him), and they don’t need more centres, but perhaps Yak/Schultz and I am not afraid to put a bunch of picks on the table. If push comes to shove, I put the 2016 pick down.

    These are not opportunities that come up often. This is not a deal we wait for the summer for and hope the asking price drops. 29 other teams want this guy. We have the youth, scoring and can afford to give up picks.

    In the words of Mr Laboeuf, “JUST DO IT!”

    The word is that he’s available because he’ll need a 7MM+ extension in 1.5 years and they’d rather spend that up front given how well their young Dmen are doing.

  58. OF17 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Yep, Burns and Shattenkirk are definitely different players, but they’re close enough to draw the parallels. Offensive, RHD that are good defensively and available at about the same point in their careers. Burns at that point cost a pretty penny in trade, which Shattenkirk is bound to do, and the Sharks have been laughing ever since.

  59. Oil2Oilers says:

    I think dismissing Reinhart as a top 4 defenceman is premature.

    He could even become that by Xmas next year, though the following year is more likely.

    The magic beans sent away for him will unlikely have more than 9 NHL games combined by then.

    His only sin is that he shoots Left in an era where the orthodoxy demands players only play on the strong side.

  60. RexLibris says:

    Btw LT, I’m taking your advice on the Elvis song.

    Promised Land.

    Perfect.

    Can’t believe I hadn’t heard that one before.

    Many thanks.

  61. Lois Lowe says:

    Shattenkirk for Ebs is a bad deal. I remain convinced the deal is going to be the lotto pick + prospect for Hamonic + picks.

    I thought Kassian played well last night, as did Yak. Both had almost nothing left in the tank by the 3rd though. Yak’s shifts were about 15 seconds long voluntarily. The former has a lot more skill than I gave him credit for. He’s a player.

    The Sharks PBP was very complimentary of the Oilers’ defensive structure last night. They kept talking about how good they were at keeping the Sharks to the outside and tying up bodies and sticks. Once the Oilers learn how to play with a lead and counterattack once their opponents start gambling for offence, they are going to steamroll.

    The PBP crew also said that the Oilers coaching staff said that McDavid is their best player already.

  62. OF17 says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    I think dismissing Reinhart as a top 4 defenceman is premature.

    He could even become that by Xmas next year, though the following year is more likely.

    The magic beans sent away for him will unlikely have more than 9 NHL games combined by then.

    His only sin is that he shoots Left in an era where the orthodoxy demands players only play on the strong side.

    It’s not just orthodoxy. I can’t remember who it was last night, but there was a sequence in the Oilers’ end where two players ended up against the boards on their off-sides trying to clear the zone. Their clearing attempts didn’t have enough power behind them to clear the zone, and the Sharks got another shot at re-establishing possession.

    Playing on the off side just makes players worse in most regards. It’s harder to clear the zone, harder to hold the blueline, harder to get pucks behind the net in battles along the half-wall, harder to receive passes on the breakout. Two things it makes easier (that immediately come to mind) are one-timers and passes into the middle with clear possession. It’s why you see players on the off wings all the time on the PP but not very often at 5v5. It’s also why I prefer Yak at RW 5v5 – the offwing plays to his strengths too heavily to not, but that’s a rare case indeed.

  63. RexLibris says:

    Lois Lowe: Shattenkirk for Ebs is a bad deal. I remain convinced the deal is going to be the lotto pick + prospect for Hamonic + picks.

    If the Oilers win the lottery, aside from heads blowing up across the league, I suspect Chiarelli will hold court essentially auctioning off the pick for the best defenseman package he can get.

    This has me dreaming of Matthews + Eberle for Ekman-Larsson + Rieder.

    Lottery notwithstanding, I expect that Chiarelli floats that pick for a defenseman at the draft.

  64. Lois Lowe says:

    RexLibris,

    Old-timey English Lapdog isn’t going anywhere. That’s dreaming the impossible dream. Hamonic is the guy unless the Jets move Morrisey or Trouba for him.

  65. Dr. Taboggan says:

    RexLibris,

    Who do you think is available/ would be worth it for the Oilers in exchange for a pick that is in the 2-6 range?

  66. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    RexLibris: If the Oilers win the lottery, aside from heads blowing up across the league, I suspect Chiarelli will hold court essentially auctioning off the pick for the best defenseman package he can get.

    This has me dreaming of Matthews + Eberle for Ekman-Larsson + Rieder.

    Lottery notwithstanding, I expect that Chiarelli floats that pick for a defenseman at the draft.

    Uh oh.

  67. RexLibris says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Uh oh.

    Yeah.

    We freaked over 16 and 33 for Reinhart.

    Of course, Chiarelli was hunting for Hamilton, so it isn’t as though his sights were off, he was just undermined by a petty ex-employer.

  68. RexLibris says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    RexLibris,

    Who do you think is available/ would be worth it for the Oilers in exchange for a pick that is in the 2-6 range?

    Not a clue.

    I’m not plugged in to the league in a way that names would come readily to mind.

    I’d say start looking at defensemen in the Eastern Conference, under the age of 28 signed for longer than three years as a start and then go from there.

    That’s all just a guess, though.

  69. OF17 says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    RexLibris,

    Who do you think is available/ would be worth it for the Oilers in exchange for a pick that is in the 2-6 range?

    Problem is, anyone with a defenseman good enough is probably using that guy to try to win. I’ll be very surprised if the pick is traded for a player.

  70. Water Fire says:

    Maybe the Blues would do Shats for Pouliot +. he’s more their type and 4M is a pretty good deal.

    Although I still wonder if Shat is going to be worth the payday overall. I’d rather have Pietrangelo at that money.

    I might do Nuge and Davidson for Pietrangelo and Berglund. And I’m a Nuge supporter, but that might be enough to do it.

  71. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    RexLibris: Yeah.

    We freaked over 16 and 33 for Reinhart.

    Of course, Chiarelli was hunting for Hamilton, so it isn’t as though his sights were off, he was just undermined by a petty ex-employer.

    Other than the Arizona connection, I don’t see how Maloney bites on that one. He would have to prioritize marketing over winning. I think winning is probably the best marketing tool for that team other than a move to a downtown arena.

  72. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Water Fire:
    Maybe the Blues would do Shats for Pouliot +. he’s more their type and 4M is a pretty good deal.

    Although I still wonder if Shat is going to be worth the payday overall. I’d rather have Pietrangelo at that money.

    I might do Nuge and Davidson for Pietrangelo and Berglund. And I’m a Nuge supporter, but that might be enough to do it.

    Not even close to the Blues doing it, though.
    Shattenkirk has way more value than Pouliot
    Pietrangelo has way more value than Nuge.

  73. kinger_OIL says:

    – OIL need to do trades for immediate help, mortgaging future magic beans

    – Example: The Reinhart for picks : but you need more immediate help. Chia though was following the plan: “don’t improve too much next year”

    – I’d be all for trading next year’s #1 (lottery protected) for James T Kirk

  74. Centre of attention says:

    Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC · 59s60 seconds ago
    MON/ARIZ working on a deal. Reports out of Quebec Indicate Tinordi involved.

  75. AnOmYnOuS1 says:

    OF17: Problem is, anyone with a defenseman good enough is probably using that guy to try to win. I’ll be very surprised if the pick is traded for a player.

    It’ll be interesting to see what Chia does. He wasn’t afraid of threatening offer sheets last year so maybe he attempts to blackmail to force a trade for the pick. A guaranteed high pick vs the uncertainty of the offer sheet pick. There are a lot of young, good D hitting RFA this year. Guys like Barrie, Matta, Dumba and Trouba. Highly doubt any will go unsigned, but all it takes is one guy holding out.

  76. Water Fire says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": Not even close to the Blues doing it, though.
    Shattenkirk has way more value than Pouliot
    Pietrangelo has way more value than Nuge.

    Why do you hate Pou and Nuge?

  77. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    AnOmYnOuS1: It’ll be interesting to see what Chia does. He wasn’t afraid of threatening offer sheets last year so maybe he attempts to blackmail to force a trade for the pick. A guaranteed high pick vs the uncertainty of the offer sheet pick. There are a lot of young, good D hitting RFA this year. Guys like Barrie, Matta, Dumba and Trouba. Highly doubt any will go unsigned, but all it takes is one guy holding out.

    Ultimate trump card: offer sheet newly acquired Seth Jones in Columbus. You know Kekalainen absolutely has to match to save face.

  78. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Water Fire: Why do you hate Pou and Nuge?

    Ha ha. Because of their +/- 😉

  79. Centre of attention says:

    Looks like Tinordi on his way to AZ.

    Details to come.

  80. Water Fire says:

    I was looking up some stats:

    Toews
    ATOI 20.7
    PTS 33
    comp 1
    Corsi Rel 2.44
    most with: Hossa (comes with laser piss cutter)

    RNH
    ATOI 20.8
    PTS 29
    comp 1
    Corsi Rel -1.54
    most with: Eberle (comes with built in fly zone program)

    I shoulda listened to Hrudey. I wonder if he still wears the headband, like on days off.

  81. Strapping Jocks says:

    Clay:
    “You could fetch a giant or a Spaniard with Nurse as the available asset.”

    Brilliant!

    edit: by “brilliant”, I’m referring to the, um, reference, not trading Nurse

    Trading Nurse is INCONCEIVABLE!

    (Edit: yes, I realize that conversation has passed, but some of us can only scroll through the comments every couple hours. Like me, seldom poster, but everyday reader. Thanks Lowetide and all the great contributors here!)

  82. Water Fire says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Ha ha. Because of their +/-

    I knew you’d get with the program. Wait….

  83. Pouzar says:

    Strapping Jocks: Trading Nurse is INCONCEIVABLE!

    LT hates Nurse.

  84. Pouzar says:

    Centre of attention:
    Looks like Tinordi on his way to AZ.

    Details to come.

    For John Frickin Scott????

  85. Water Fire says:

    Pouzar: For John Frickin Scott????

    That’s All Star John F Scott pal 🙂

  86. Centre of attention says:

    Looks like John Scott is getting traded. That’s one way to get him out of the all-star game.

  87. Centre of attention says:

    Water Fire: That’s All Star John F Scott pal

    He won’t be able to go. MTL already has representation.

  88. vinotintazo says:

    Centre of attention,

    Drai to replace him…

  89. Water Fire says:

    Centre of attention: He won’t be able to go. MTL already has representation.

    You tell him he can’t go, ok?

  90. OF17 says:

    AnOmYnOuS1: It’ll be interesting to see what Chia does. He wasn’t afraid of threatening offer sheets last year so maybe he attempts to blackmail to force a trade for the pick. A guaranteed high pick vs the uncertainty of the offer sheet pick. There are a lot of young, good D hitting RFA this year. Guys like Barrie, Matta, Dumba and Trouba. Highly doubt any will go unsigned, but all it takes is one guy holding out.

    I’m not sure I’d trade the pick for any of those guys, especially if it’s on the #2 end. Patrik Laine looks like a can’t-miss guy. Huge, physical, skates well, has a fantastic shot, like Yak-with-accuracy fantastic, can play either wing. This is of course just from youtube, WJC, and verbal, so take it with a grain of salt, but he looks like the definition of a Chiarelli player. Nearly 2PPG as a draft eligible at the WJC, just under 0.7PPG in the SM-Liiga. Not many defensemen out there worth passing on that for, just like there aren’t many worth Draisaitl.

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Ultimate trump card: offer sheet newly acquired Seth Jones in Columbus. You know Kekalainen absolutely has to match to save face.

    But what does that accomplish if they just match? If you’re sending one just to be matched, it’s usually to force someone else out, like San Jose did to get Niemi back in 2010.

  91. frjohnk says:

    Centre of attention:
    Looks like John Scott is getting traded. That’s one way to get him out of the all-star game.

    I’m pretty sure they have to take the captaincy away first
    then they tell him he can’t play.

    That’s how it works.

  92. mujidog says:

    Shattenkirk! Do it Chia!

  93. Pouzar says:

    Centre of attention: He won’t be able to go. MTL already has representation.

    Looking like Elliott

  94. OF17 says:

    Tinordi for Elliott is essentially swapping waiver fodder. Swap Tinordi’s career stats and verbal with Teubert’s and you couldn’t tell the difference.

  95. Bman says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: sometimes he it looks like he isn’t keeping up with the lessons.

    If we are having this discussion next year, a very bad decision to sign both for $ and term.

  96. kinger_OIL says:

    RexLibris,

    Rex – I love the compilations you have done. It is very straightforward, and a great bit of data aggregation, with some reasonable conclusions. Great stuff.

    – 93 points though at the beginning of the year: need to bust your balls a bit for that…

  97. Pouzar says:

    Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger)

    8 mins ago – View on Twitter

    Elliott and Scott to Montreal for Tinordi. Habs now trying to send Elliott to Nashville for Victor Bartley. Being held up at the moment.

  98. Caramel Obvious says:

    I don’t understand why the Blues would trade Shattenkirk during the season.

    They are trying to win the Stanley Cup and any trade would make them worse.

    For the future, they won’t get more in the offseason.

    Unless something personal happens behind the scenes neither Hamonic nor Shattenkirk get traded inseason. It makes no sense.

    In the offseason, however, I’d trade Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins for them and work out the picks (no first round picks) to make it happen.

  99. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Bman: If we are having this discussion next year, a very bad decision to sign both for $ and term.

    What is this?

  100. speeds says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OIL need to do trades for immediate help, mortgaging future magic beans

    – Example: The Reinhart for picks : but you need more immediate help.Chia though was following the plan: “don’t improve too much next year”

    – I’d be all for trading next year’s #1 (lottery protected) for James T Kirk

    I don’t agree they need to do that, I also don’t think they should have done the Reinhart deal.

    BUT, if they are looking to move futures for current, what are your thoughts on Nurse for Hamonic as the basis for a deal?

  101. mattwatt says:

    G Money,

    Yeah, your post makes sense GMoney. I think 1300 EV saves is a good barometer, not 5 game intervals. Also, drinking and sound judgement don’t always mix. Hence my bent at the time for Talbot.

    That said, let’s ‘say’ (and I mean in the most hypothetical sense) that you believe Broissoit can post a .915 at the NHL level, and Nilsson stays at around .900. Is it worth the gamble, in your mind, to bring up Broissoit for the possibility that he may be better than Nilsson? I know that it is not a certainty that Broissoit is better, but it seems to be a possibility that the Oilers must consider, no?

    I know that Nilsson is not likely as bad as he has been, but maybe worth taking a shot on Broissoit down the stretch here. I think it is a gamble worth making. Would like your insight on this this.

    Also, keep up the great work on your blog!

  102. AsiaOil says:

    I’d actually like both Berglund and Shats from STL – plus Hamonic from NYI. I would deal both RNH and Eberle to get those guys. I’ll make all the RNH fans nuts but I’d be fine going into next season with Drai, CMD, Berglund and Letestu. Berglund brings a lot more size, good defense and 60% of RNH’s points for about 60% of his salary. The deals are too vague to speculate about – but those are the guys I want.

    Hall Drai xxx
    Pou CMD Yak
    xxx Berglund Kassian
    Hendricks Letestu Korpse
    Lander/Khaira

    Klef Hamonic
    Sekera / Shats
    Nurse/GR/Davidson

    Trading chips: RNH, Ebs, Shultz, Gryba, Fayne, Purcell, #1 pick
    Dumped: Niki, Ference, Klink

    The xxx forwards can be obtained through trade or UFA but I want a bigger guys with talent (and maybe Kassian can play in the top 6 as well if he gets his life together). That team is still skilled but much bigger and tougher to play against – and even last night – it was boys vs the big bearded men in the teal uniforms. I’m actually getting over being out of the playoff race going into the deadline – still want the team to play well – but being out gives Chia the freedom to clean house which is very necessary.

  103. frjohnk says:

    speeds: I don’t agree they need to do that, I also don’t think they should have done the Reinhart deal.

    BUT, if they are looking to move futures for current, what are your thoughts on Nurse for Hamonic as the basis for a deal?

    Chia really likes Nurse. Wouldn’t trade him for Hamilton so I don’t see him trading nurse for Hanonic.

    Not saying Nurse could never be traded but if he was the aim would be higher than Hamonic.

  104. Pouzar says:

    Caramel Obvious: I don’t understand why the Blues would trade Shattenkirk during the season.

    They are trying to make the elusive “Hockey Trade” (scoring need) with one eye on the future (ability to sign Shattenkirk).

  105. Pouzar says:

    Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger)

    12 mins ago – View on Twitter

    I’m told this 3-way trade Nash-Ariz-Mtl took a few weeks to bring together.

    14 mins ago – View on Twitter

    Bizarre change. So, Nashville trades Bartley to Ariz for Elliott then Bartley and Scott moved to Mtl for Tinordi and a minor leaguer.

    ——————————–

    Wow…weeks. For that. Le sigh.

  106. NomoreLoweMcT says:

    Giver Reinhardt a chance. This kid is better than many believe and will be on the team after the All Star break. He’ll be in the Top 4 pairing for next year and look great there.
    Trade Eberle for Shattenkirk or put a package together to get Harmonic from the Isles but DONT loose Nurse or Kelfbom. Sign Talbot asap and keep Yak- he’s finally found his game with or without McDavid. And yes, put Hall back with Leon.

  107. OF17 says:

    AsiaOil:
    I’d actually like both Berglund and Shats from STL – plus Hamonic from NYI. I would deal both RNH and Eberle to get those guys. I’ll make all the RNH fans nuts but I’d be fine going into next season with Drai, CMD, Berglund and Letestu. Berglund brings a lot more size, good defense and 60% of RNH’s points for about 60% of his salary. The deals are too vague to speculate about – but those are the guys I want.

    Hall Drai xxx
    Pou CMD Yak
    xxx Berglund Kassian
    Hendricks Letestu Korpse
    Lander/Khaira

    Klef Hamonic
    Sekera / Shats
    Nurse/GR/Davidson

    Trading chips: RNH, Ebs, Shultz, Gryba, Fayne, Purcell, #1 pick
    Dumped: Niki, Ference, Klink

    The xxx forwards can be obtained through trade or UFA but I want a bigger guys with talent (and maybe Kassian can play in the top 6 as well if he gets his life together). That team is still skilled but much bigger and tougher to play against – and even last night – it was boys vs the big bearded men in the teal uniforms. I’m actually getting over being out of the playoff race going into the deadline – still want the team to play well – but being out gives Chia the freedom to clean house which is very necessary.

    I really like this. Adding one of Shattenkirk or Hamonic would bring the Oilers defense to passable. Adding both would make it a strength moving forward, and while losing Nuge and Eberle would certainly hurt the forward corps, we have enough pieces to keep it a strength. McDavid, Draisaitl, Hall, Yakupov, likely Laine/Puljujarvi/Tkachuk, plus the supporting cast of Pouliot, Berglund, Kassian, and the xxxes is a good group of forwards. A big/gritty group as well.

  108. leadfarmer says:

    OF17,

    Such a bad draft pick Tinordi was. Do not draft defensive defensemen. Not in the first round. Not in the second round, and probably not even in the 3rd round.

  109. Dr. Taboggan says:

    AsiaOil,

    I am not a fan of trading RNH but I could live with it if we got back a reasonable 3c (Berglund) and skilled D (Shat). I would also trade Eberle for Hamonic in a heartbeat.

    If they keep the lottery pick (likely a top-7 pick) then they can draft a scoring winger to replace Eberle.

  110. Dominoiler says:

    NYCoil, I like the sounds of 10M/3 years for Talbot; would it be enough?.. That could be a sweet deal for the Oilers..

    I’d consider Klef+ for Hamonic, when healthy.. This is only if I’m a knowledgeable hockey man that hates the idea of excess lefties playing right side.. If Chia doesn’t care then I don’t either.. I think this trade could help both orgs, both good payers, both good contacts (klef’s being better)..

    Last thought, someone needs to talk to nuge about training w Roberts.. Yes he is young, thin build, so this criticism is probably too harsh and too soon (so young still) but he is a wimp.. eberle level of wimpiness.. Tremendous skill, I am a fan and have even noticed that he is bigger / stronger than as an 18yo, obviously, just hoping that strength building is a priority for him in the off season.. Moar Biggar!!!!

    (Edit: perhaps I’m falling victim to that phenomenon of seeing what a player isn’t instead of seeing what they are.. Nuge is a really good 2 way skill centre, with or without average strength (high compared to us normals).. Would just like to see Moar Strengff, so he can compete as hard as a Toews.. Is that all mental or physical as well?)

  111. Klima's_Bucket says:

    leadfarmer: Do not draft defensive defensemen. Not in the first round. Not in the second round, and probably not even in the 3rd round.

    Unless it’s an Edmonton Oil King like Griffin Reinhart.
    Then you part with #16 and #33 for him.

  112. vinotintazo says:

    what would kassian need to do in order to be worth that 1.75M contract?

    I mean if he’s going to be a 4rth liner thats pretty expensive.

  113. vinotintazo says:

    leadfarmer: Do not draft defensive defensemen. Not in the first round. Not in the second round, and probably not even in the 3rd round.

    I kinda agree, but there are some guys like hjalmarsson, Method, Damers, etc who are not offensive Dman, but are effective top 4.

    thats kinda what I hoped what Fayne would be.

  114. Klima's_Bucket says:

    vinotintazo,

    Solid 2 way play, finish his checks and chip in 35 points.

  115. godot10 says:

    Eberle with $1.5 million retained for the rest of this season and next season only for Shattenkirk.

    But Chiarelli and McLellan probably want to scratch that itch of McDavid and Eberle together.

    “Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both.”

    ====
    Aside: 3 loonies to a greenback in our lifetimes. Book it. The best and brightest sons and daughters of the central Canadian (Toronto) establishment are running the country, and they, unfortunately, are fools.

  116. Klima's_Bucket says:

    vinotintazo: hjalmarsson, Method, Damers, etc who are not offensive Dman, but are effective top 4.

    Hjalmarsson – 4th round
    Methot – 6th round
    Demers – 7th round

  117. stener says:

    I’m sure this has been brought up before but is anyone nervous at all about Hamonic coming from the EC and laying an egg? Just look 300 kms south at Mr. Hamilton. I haven’t looked at the his fancies lately, but he had a putrid start to the year. I couldn’t imagine what the comment boards would look like if we paid a top 6 player or lottery pick for that kind of play.

    My preference is to stay shopping in the West. I like Shattenkirk a lot, but I’m not sure the right fit is there for an in season trade. One more early exit for the Blues (probable with the potency of the Central) will result in an unstable summer with the potential for Doug Armstrong and the Blues’ office to go a bit crazy. That’s when Shatt hits the fan (sorry).

    I’m scared of signing Byfuglien. He’s so good, but he doesn’t quite fit the cluster and will require crazy money when we have cap issues in our Stanley window. I’m a no on him unless we can do the 2-year Niki special. Not gonna happen.

    The more I think about it, waiting until the summer is a good idea. Stock up on picks for rentals, and let our key potential trading chips (Ebs, Yak, Klef, Nuge) gain value once McD comes back and hopefully rights the ship a bit. I think targeting teams outside of the contending picture with potentially volatile management groups (St Louis, Shattenkirk; Colorado, Barrie; Anaheim, Vatanen) will be the best way we come out on top of this crucial deal.

    Chia’s gotta make this count

  118. Klima's_Bucket says:

    godot10: Aside: 3 loonies to a greenback in our lifetimes. Book it. The best and brightest sons and daughters of the central Canadian (Toronto) establishment are running the country, and they, unfortunately, are fools.

    Maybe now is the time to get in on the Euro….

  119. Lois Lowe says:

    I am starting to sound like a broken record, but Reinhart is one year older than Nurse. One year.

    Something something not straight lines.

  120. PhrankLee says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: leadfarmer: Do not draft defensive defensemen. Not in the first round. Not in the second round, and probably not even in the 3rd round.
    Unless it’s an Edmonton Oil King like Griffin Reinhart.
    Then you part with #16 and #33 for him.

    I think this is coming. He is tentative. Not a slow skater. He just needs reps.

    He is also ferocious.

    He can make plays at speed in remarkably tight places for a bigger guy.

    Chia may have been wrong in thinking he would have helped this year but I am really psyched, even with Davidson emerging, about GR and what he brings to the blue line.

  121. godot10 says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: Maybe now is the time to get in on the Euro….

    The Euro is toast, UNLESS there is a complete political and economic union of Europe, with mutualisation of the debt. It will not happen. The European Union is going to break apart.

    ‘Turning and turning in the widening gyre, the falcon cannot hear the falconer. Things fall apart. The centre cannot hold.”

  122. Klima's_Bucket says:

    godot10,

    Perhaps the Queen will let us crawl back into bed with her…

  123. speeds says:

    godot10,

    can’t choose which years to retain salary, if you retain, it has to be the same percentage every year of the deal, IIRC.

  124. godot10 says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    godot10,

    Perhaps the Queen will let us crawl back into bed with her…

    The UK is the most financialized state in the world next to Switzerland. No safe harbour there either.

    Canada even with a 0.33 cent loonie will still probably be the best place to be. I am an optimistic pessimistic patriot.

  125. Quinlan says:

    Just throwing this out here, wondering what you all think.

    IMO Cam Talbot is very much the goalie we thought we were getting. I’ve been very impressed with him, and actually, his recovery from his early struggles only convinces me more that he is a quality NHL starter.

    Now is the time to sign him. Who would make a decent comparable? What’s the price point and what’s the term?

  126. Klima's_Bucket says:

    godot10,

    I agree.
    Bring on the .33 cent loonie!!!!

  127. godot10 says:

    Quinlan:
    Just throwing this out here, wondering what you all think.

    IMO Cam Talbot is very much the goalie we thought we were getting. I’ve been very impressed with him, and actually, his recovery from his early struggles only convinces me more that he is a quality NHL starter.

    Now is the time to sign him. Who would make a decent comparable? What’s the price point and what’s the term?

    2 years @ $4 million per season.

  128. OF17 says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I am starting to sound like a broken record, but Reinhart is one year older than Nurse. One year.

    Something something not straight lines.

    Lots of time left for young Reinhart, that’s for sure, but any time a defensive defenseman’s PPG drops from draft to draft +1, then drops again in draft + 2, then has OK production in the AHL in draft +3, then pulls 0s in 12 NHL games and has the same draft + 3 production in 11 AHL games in draft + 4, it doesn’t inspire confidence. If he’s that smart and his passing is that good, he should be able to post some offense, right?

    If he becomes a top-4 quality D, we may be looking at a Marc Methot type, or Robyn Regehr without the physicality. I’d love to see Reinhart do better than that, but I think that might be his outer marker.

    I hated the trade on draft day, and while my emotions have settled on it, I don’t like the deal any more than I did at the time.

  129. godot10 says:

    Klefbom and Nurse are the perfect relative age for McDavid. They both have higher potential ceilings than Shattenkirk and Hamonic, and can be control for much longer at reasonable salary.

    Klefbom is already signed. One should be able to get Nurse on a similar slightly more expensive deal.

    Reinhart and Davidson both look to be extremely affordable competent D going forward.

    So if one targets Burns, Hamonic, and Shattenkirk, use forwards and draft picks, NOT defensemen to get them

  130. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    godot10: The Euro is toast, UNLESS there is a complete political and economic union of Europe, with mutualisation of the debt.It will not happen.The European Union is going to break apart.

    ‘Turning and turning in the widening gyre, the falcon cannot hear the falconer.Things fall apart.The centre cannot hold.”

    Avoid the Euro for now. Agreed. We still have a potential Grexit to deal with. More importantly, Finland might leave, and if that happens it falls apart.

    I still continue to say US dollar cash for now. I’ve been right on with that call the past couple of years. I continue to stick by that call for now.

    Then again, I am talking this year still, not “in our lifetimes” like Godot.

  131. TheOtherJohn says:

    Reinhart is in draft plus 4 and has played 20 NHL games. He also no longer has the “lots of good NHL defensemen on roster in front of him” argument. Currently (with Klefbom out) he has a single top 4 D man and six 5/6/PB D men on the NHL roster in front of him

    Would be really refreshing to hear a GM come out and say—> geez we really screwed up that decision. Course Lowe/Tambellini>/acT could say that about 25 to 30 times

    As to the suggestion that Klefbom and health issues is something new- his time in the SEL was replete with a series of different injuries. Fantastic defensive package- great tool box but he has also had a history of injuries

  132. vinotintazo says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: Hjalmarsson – 4th round
    Methot – 6th round
    Demers – 7th round

    Not sure what’s your point here.

    for 3 guys outside the 3rd round , I can find 3 guys inside the 3rd round. That play a similar role.

  133. Caramel Obvious says:

    The Oilers aren’t going to get Shattenkirk + even to make the salaries even out. Both Berglund and Brouwer have value on their own.

  134. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    vinotintazo,

    You should only draft power forwards in the 5th round, because nobody is better at it than Benn and he went in the 5th round.

    I mean I get the don’t draft Defensive Dmen early argument, I even support it generally…. but it’s not as simple as some are making it out to be.

    Didn’t love the Reinhart trade at the time. Still don’t think it’s great, but it’s not why we’re bad and it won’t be why we’re bad next year either. Far, far down the list in terms of problems with this team.

  135. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey
    Friedman: “I think under the right circumstances, he would consider trading Galchenyuk . But it’s got to be the right circumstances.” #Habs

    Imagine the Yak on Galchenyuk’s wing itch being scratched…in Edmonton instead of Montreal!

    Habs deciding to trade all their late night party-goers ?

  136. vinotintazo says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    vinotintazo,

    Solid 2 way play, finish his checks and chip in 35 points.

    What year is it!?!?! 😛

    Actually if he can get 35 Points in 38ish games he might get a raise!!

  137. G Money says:

    godot10: So if one targets Burns, Hamonic, and Shattenkirk, use forwards and draft picks, NOT defensemen to get them

    Correct. This team has a forward corps in place – Hall, Drai, McD, Nuge. They have three pieces of the Top 4 (Nurse, Klefbom, Sekera) and the bottom pairing already set (GR, Davidson).

    One more Top 4 is a must. The currency is forwards not in the core, and picks.

    Two Top 4 would be awesome, for depth, development, and because this team is likely to be built around an elite set of centres, and 5 or 6 x Top 4 D rather than a 1D. And that’s OK.

    What you can’t do is send away one of the people already slated to fill a role on defense, the most skill-shy area we’ve got, UNLESS it is part of a package for a legit 1D who will be hitting his peak around the same time as the forward core.

    And none of the names being bandied (Hamonic, Shattenkirk, or even Byfuglien) about qualify. They qualify in abundance for that 5 or 6 x Top 4 approach, but NOT as a 1D.

    Methinks whack-a-mole is a poor strategic approach to building a team.

  138. vinotintazo says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    vinotintazo,

    You should only draft power forwards in the 5th round, because nobody is better at it than Benn and he went in the 5th round.

    I mean I get the don’t draft Defensive Dmen early argument, I even support it generally….but it’s not as simple as some are making it out to be.

    Didn’t love the Reinhart trade at the time.Still don’t think it’s great, but it’s not why we’re bad and it won’t be why we’re bad next year either.Far, far down the list in terms of problems with this team.

    I agree 100%

  139. Bman says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Was about the Kelfboom signing and his injury history already

  140. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Bman:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Was about the Kelfboom signing and his injury history already

    Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

  141. Klima's_Bucket says:

    vinotintazo,

    I’m not trying to make much of a point.
    Leadfarmer was suggesting not to pick defensive Dmen in the first 3 rounds.
    Then you suggested 3 guys in Demers, Methot and Hjalmarsson.
    I was just pointing out that these guys weren’t picked in the first 3 rounds to further the point Leadfarmer was trying to make.

    As for me, I prefer to get competent Dmen, that can skate exceptionally, that are smart and can defend in their own end and make an excellent outlet pass.
    I could care less what round you find these guys.

  142. godot10 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    I still continue to say US dollar cash for now. I’ve been right on with that call the past couple of years. I continue to stick by that call for now.

    I don’t necessarily disagree with you on the US dollar. But the long US dollar trade is a really crowded trade.

    Cash is a good asset in these times, which is why central banks are trying to make it illegal.

  143. Klima's_Bucket says:

    vinotintazo,

    I should have clarified, a pro-rated 35 points.

  144. B S says:

    This $3+ million/year Talbot talk is a little bizarre to me. He’s had a few good (very good) games. he also had some terrible games this season.

    Remember when Duby had a 0.922 save percentage? that was across over half a season and people complained about his $3.5 mil. salary. If we’re getting bullish on Talbot and want to lock him up long term, I say $2.5 mil. per for 3 years with leeway depending on negotiations, offering term more readily than cap. The whole point of locking him up now is to get a deal, not spend Non-elite starter money for a goalie with backup experience.

  145. vinotintazo says:

    Klima’s_Bucket,

    fair enough! 🙂

  146. G Money says:

    mattwatt,

    Hmm, interesting question. I can say without hesitation that I’ve looked extensively at early-career statistics for predicting goalie outcomes. But otherwise, I am the farthest thing from a goalie expert!

    Tactically speaking, from a risk mitigation point of view, Broissoit’s stellar numbers in the AHL certainly indicate a ton of potential, and he *should* be with the big club next year, no question.

    But stellar AHL numbers, like stellar KHL or WHL numbers, do not guarantee success in the NHL.

    So simply betting that LB can win the backup job, let alone the starters job, is a mugs game.

    What I would do is this:

    – Bring Talbot back as the putative starter next year, assuming he doesn’t fall off any big cliffs the rest of the season.

    – Bring LB in as the targeted backup

    – Bring in at least one mid-range Steady Eddy goalie – someone with experience and decent numbers, a capable starter but not one who is overly expensive. I wanted Neuvirth in that slot for this year. Not sure who I’d consider targeting next year, I haven’t looked widely at goalie performance or UFA status next year. This is your competition and your fail-safe for Talbot.

    – If Nilsson shows decently next year and is willing to come back for cheap, bring him back. This is your competition and your fail-safe for LB.

    That combo should be an affordable set of goalies, with elite upside, and with adequate risk management for the downside built in.

  147. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    godot10: I don’t necessarily disagree with you on the US dollar.But the long US dollar trade is a really crowded trade.

    Cash is a good asset in these times, which is why central banks are trying to make it illegal.

    Crowded or not, there’s still plenty of room to accommodate on that one. And very few speculators who are long USD cash. I’d be more comfortable continuing to be long US dollars than short oil, for example.

    And the alternative is to go back long JPY, but I don’t see this recent market correction yet turning into some kind of bigger crash (it could go lower, not saying that it won’t, but not like 50% lower or anything) so I’m comfortable in USD vs CAD/AUD/EUR. It has been a good way to be the last while and I’m not ready to get off this wagon yet.

  148. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    G Money,

    B S,

    Ideally I would have said 2 x $2.5M for Talbot and 1 x $2M for Nilsson.
    I think Nilsson could still be signed for that, but Talbot may want a few more dollars and more term now, and why wouldn’t he ask? The 1 year for Nilsson is insurance: he is a good backup and if Brossoit isn’t ready yet this buys him time.

  149. godot10 says:

    B S:
    This $3+ million/year Talbot talk is a little bizarre to me. He’s had a few good (very good) games. he also had some terrible games this season.

    Remember when Duby had a 0.922 save percentage? that was across over half a season and people complained about his $3.5 mil. salary. If we’re getting bullish on Talbot and want to lock him up long term, I say $2.5 mil. per for 3 years with leeway depending on negotiations, offering term more readily than cap. The whole point of locking him up now is to get a deal, not spend Non-elite starter money for a goalie with backup experience.

    Talbot will test the UFA market if one offers duration at a low salary. So one should offer two years at a moderate salary so he doesn’t test the market. 2 years @ 4 million per.

    2 years gives one time to see what Brossoit is.

  150. godot10 says:

    One doesn’t have to offer NIlsson $2 million. One just has to send him his qualifying offer, his current salary plus 10%, unless he dramatically improves the rest of the season.

  151. stevezie says:

    Lois Lowe: Shattenkirk for Ebs is a bad deal. I remain convinced the deal is going to be the lotto pick + prospect for Hamonic + picks.

    I agree that this is the ideal trade for us, but if that doesn’t get it done?

    I know it’s the unpopular opinion, but if it came down to either trading one of our good forwards or swapping Klef for Hamonic, I’d prefer the later. I like Klef as much as the rest of you, but I don’t think he’s better than Hamonic, is he? He’s got a fine contract, but so does Hamonic. I’m starting to wonder if our imbalance in rh-lh defenceman is as big of an issue as the forward-defence issue.

    No, no it’s probably not. But still, I don’t think we lose a Klef-Hamonic trade. We don’t exactly win, but it balances us a little better. And it doesn’t create a hole at forward.

    I look forward to learning why I’m wrong.

  152. B S says:

    godot10: Talbot will test the UFAmarket if one offers duration at a low salary.So one should offer two years at a moderate salary so he doesn’t test the market.2 years @ 4 million per.

    2 years gives one time to see what Brossoit is.

    I’m not so sure (I agree he will probably want at least $3 mil. but,), with the Cap staying stagnant (or dropping) and his lack of reliable track record he may get more short term on the market, But he’ll also be looking at overall earnings, a 3 year contract likely also gets him free as the cap is going up again too, and I don’t think any GMs are signing an unproven UFA goalie to more than 2 years at this stage, and probably not more than 3.5 mil. (though stupider things have happened).

  153. SwedishPoster says:

    TheOtherJohn,

    The only time he missed any longer time due to injury was the shoulder. He was cut by a skate during preseason and missed two weeks. He sat out a couple of weeks as a precaution after a hit to the head but it was not deemed a concussion. He got a charley horse during a game with the junior national teamand missed a couple of games. And then there was the shoulder where he was hit and crashed into a door to the bench that was open.

    And now he got a broken finger and a cut that got infected.

    These are all injuries from impact trauma. It’s not a bunch of muscle and joint injuries from wear and tear. The shoulder injury is the only one that affects these areas and are of the kind that might be lingering or slow you down but from what I’ve understood the shoulder isn’t bothering him at all, in fact it feels as good as ever. That surgery might actually strengthen the joint if there are zero complications.

    I wouldn’t worry about Klefbom being injury prone. He had one big injury that he seems to have fully recovered from. Other than that he’s had some bad luck but he’s not missed much more time than your average hockey player who plays hard. If he starts getting more lingering injuries and the above mentioned wear and tear stuff then count me in with the worried group.

  154. RexLibris says:

    G Money: Hmm, interesting question. I can say without hesitation that I’ve looked extensively at early-career statistics for predicting goalie outcomes. But otherwise, I am the farthest thing from a goalie expert!

    This reminded me of the old saying about democracy being the worst form of government except for all the others.

    Your expertise is relative to the rest of the field.

  155. godot10 says:

    The Oilers have control of Klefbom on a great contract for 8 years (well past all the critical contract renegotiatioins). Hamonic would only be under control for 4, and would have to be re-signed right in the middle of all the critical contract negotiations.

    And Klefbom is better. The Oilers can’t win a game without him.

  156. Klima's_Bucket says:

    stevezie: I look forward to learning why I’m wrong.

    It’s nice to see I’m not the only one that posts things here in hopes of reminding myself of how much of an idiot I am.

  157. vinotintazo says:

    stevezie: I don’t think we lose a Klef-Hamonic trade. We don’t exactly win

    you dont go from 29 on the league to the playoff by just making lateral moves.

    Oil’s D needs MASSIVE improvement.

    that means they need to trade for 1 (im hoping 2) top-4 Deman on their prime before the start of next year, w/o giving up Klef/Nurse/Sekera.

    In Chia we trust.

  158. AnOmYnOuS1 says:

    godot10:
    The Oilers have control of Klefbom on a great contract for 8 years (well past all the critical contract renegotiatioins). Hamonic would only be under control for 4, and would have to be re-signed right in the middle of all the critical contract negotiations.

    And Klefbom is better.The Oilers can’t win a game without him.

    Not to mention he’s younger and looks to have at least comparable offensive capabilities. Hamonic is probably better defensively right now but Klef was getting better before the injury. From the looks of things Hamonic has only twice played a season without significant injury, his rookie year and during the lockout. Only positive of that trade is for handedness, otherwise it’s not worth it.

    Getting Hamonic would be huge for our D, just not at the cost of Klef.

  159. AnOmYnOuS1 says:

    So interesting developments on the ASG and John Scott:

    ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
    John Scott was previously asked by both NHL and Arizona Coyotes to bow out of NHL All-Star Game. He refused. Trade likely takes care of that.

    At this point, even if Scott isn’t deemed ineligible by NHL, he would almost certainly bow out of ASG on his own.

  160. TheOtherJohn says:

    SwedishPoster,

    He’s had a lifetime of bad luck over the last 5 years. But he’s over it, got it

  161. AsiaOil says:

    Hi GM, NYCO, Godot, Rex etc,

    My reaction to the talk about Nilsson as starter material earlier in the season was…..woa nelly! The guy has some potential and I liked him as a backup in camp – but that was crazy early to make that call. I actually have not been happy with him the last month – he’s going down way too early fishing around for pucks which negates his biggest asset (size). He’s RFA and no rush to do anything.

    As for Talbot – need to cut a deal or cut bait. In any case he’s upped his trade value but I’d rather sign him on a 2 year bridge deal that’s “fair”. Maybe in the range of $5 million over 2 year (2+3)?

    LB has one more year before he is waiver eligible – let him and the Swede fight it out next TC for the backup slot.

  162. Loyal2theoil says:

    Hunt Recalled. What does this mean?

  163. stevezie says:

    vinotintazo,

    We do not make this move and then stop. We still got to sign someone else, but now we are no longer desperate for a rh Dman to play with Nurse or Reinhart. It makes the big move easier.

    godot10: And Klefbom is better. The Oilers can’t win a game without him.

    Having longer control of Klefbom is a good point, but Hamonic is even cheaper and (judging by usage) slightly better. The four years of control might be worth it. Two great contracts, but you’re right Klef’s is a lot longer.

    The idea that we can’t win a game without Klefbom is irrelevant though. We would then gain Hamonic.

    AnOmYnOuS1,

    I’d rather trade a high pick. But if we get to keep Eberle for the price of making Klefbom right-handed, I think it makes sense.

  164. RexLibris says:

    AsiaOil:
    Hi GM, NYCO, Godot, Rex etc,

    My reaction to the talk about Nilsson as starter material earlier in the season was…..woa nelly!The guy has some potential and I liked him as a backup in camp – but that was crazy early to make that call. I actually have not been happy with him the last month – he’s going down way too early fishing around for pucks which negates his biggest asset (size). He’s RFA and no rush to do anything.

    As for Talbot – need to cut a deal or cut bait. In any case he’s upped his trade value but I’d rather sign him on a 2 year bridge deal that’s “fair”. Maybe in the range of $5 million over 2 year (2+3)?

    LB has one more year before he is waiver eligible – let him and the Swede fight it out next TC for the backup slot.

    I’d go three years for Talbot, at anything under $5 million, preferably something closer to $4 million AAV.

    Nilsson is an RFA, so I’d like to keep him for one more year. If he outplays Brossoit next year, so be it. If not, you can almost always trade goalies.

  165. RexLibris says:

    Loyal2theoil:
    Hunt Recalled. What does this mean?

    Nothing.

    Paper shuffle from the Klinkhammer waiver yesterday.

    Oilers want 7D for the road trip coming up.

  166. stevezie says:

    Right now we need a RH defender. If we swapped Klef for Hamonic, we would still desperately need another defender, but now we can target a guy of either hand. It opens up the world

    If we can get a better deal by waiting for the off-season, great. I don’t know where the negotiations are. If this is our only option, however, I think I take it.

  167. Water Fire says:

    I don’t always think about Justin Schultz, but when I do and think of him as a St Louis Blue, I think Hitchcock might actually kill him on the bench at some point.

    If Edmonton trades a lottery pick for Hamonic I think I’ll, well cry. He is not nearly good enough for that, not even close. Better to sign UFA’s than that.

    Demers brings what Hammie does at no cost.

  168. RexLibris says:

    stevezie,

    Let’s imagine the Oilers drat 4th overall this year, which based on the conspiracy theories that surround this league would surprise no one.

    That means you are most likely taking Chychrun.

    I would move that pick for Hamonic and perhaps Snow would accept that move as well.

    That gives you Hamonic, Klefbom, Sekera, Nurse, Davidson and Reinhart – assuming that Schultz and Gryba are sent out at the deadline, or draft in Schultz’s case, for picks.

    With all the money likely coming off the books this summer, with or without the possibility of Chiarelli trading Pouliot, that leaves them ample room for that defense group and some money to pursue a *cough* heavy winger *cough*.

  169. Bruce McCurdy says:

    AnOmYnOuS1:
    So interesting developments on the ASG and John Scott:

    ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
    John Scott was previously asked by both NHL and Arizona Coyotes to bow out of NHL All-Star Game. He refused. Trade likely takes care of that.

    At this point, even if Scott isn’t deemed ineligible by NHL, he would almost certainly bow out of ASG on his own.

    Am I the only person that thinks this is a giant “FUCK YOU” from the NHL to its fans?

  170. SwedishPoster says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    SwedishPoster,

    He’s had a lifetime of bad luck over the last 5 years. But he’s over it, got it

    Nah, you’re missing the point. Hockey players get injured. Klefbom had one big injury that held him out for almost a year. Other than that he’s had the kind of cuts and bruises you expect from a hockey player. The injuries he’s had so far are unlikely to affect him in the future. They are unlikely to return. They are not a sign of a body that can’t sustain the NHL.
    Feel free to disagree but no point in being douchy about it.

  171. RexLibris says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Am I the only person that thinks this is a giant “FUCK YOU” from the NHL to its fans?

    Rex Codex Libris ‏@CodexRex 1m1 minute ago

    @Archaeologuy Well the league decided they really couldn’t stomach all the feel-good press about a cinderella getting chosen by the fans.

  172. fifthcartel says:

    Oilers did offer RNH for Jones. Hmm, I don’t what to think. Does this RNH is a goner?

  173. RexLibris says:

    SwedishPoster: Nah, you’re missing the point. Hockey players get injured. Klefbom had one big injury that held him out for almost a year. Other than that he’s had the kind of cuts and bruises you expect from a hockey player. The injuries he’s had so far are unlikely to affect him in the future. They are unlikely to return. They are not a sign of a body that can’t sustain the NHL.
    Feel free to disagree but no point in being douchy about it.

    You stubbornly refuse to accept the fact that Klefbom is obviously a stigmata!

    😉

  174. Loyal2theoil says:

    RexLibris,

    Thanks.

  175. godot10 says:

    stevezie:
    vinotintazo,

    Having longer control of Klefbom is a good point, but Hamonic is even cheaper and (judging by usage) slightly better. The four years of control might be worth it. Two great contracts, but you’re right Klef’s is a lot longer.

    Hamonic isn’t cheaper over the next eight years. He is cheaper over the next four. He will be much more expensive than Klefbom in the 2nd four years, if you can keep him.

    How good Klefbom is is obscured by how lousy the Oilers are.

    Hamonic is a great option, probably the best option, as long as it doesn’t cost the Oilers Klefbom or Nurse, which would make him a big step backwards.

  176. Pajamah says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Am I the only person that thinks this is a giant “FUCK YOU” from the NHL to its fans?

    Not at all, but the idea of him getting in was basically the fans saying Fuck you to the NHL. Which without a doubt is well within our right, but the NHL was damned if they did, damned if they didn’t

    John Scott plays in ASG – joke league
    John Scott is forcibly traded so as to miss said ASG – joke league.

    Stop giving fans the vote and let the players vote on who belongs there. Or the MSM can vote.
    Fans are stupid. Anyone who thinks the game has value, and that it is increased by John Scott attending is delusional.

    Hopefully this forces a re-jig on the game itself. 3 on 3 seems interesting enough, but I don’t care to watch lollygagging superstars piss around. Make the game valuable, like home ice in the Cup Finals. Something, just not this. And not John Scott.

  177. SwedishPoster says:

    RexLibris: You stubbornly refuse to accept the fact that Klefbom is obviously a stigmata!

    So he’s injured because McDavid was injured?

  178. JDï™ says:

    Pajamah: Or the MSM can vote.

    Maybe OV can play both wings and center?

  179. commonfan14 says:

    Waiting for someone to find a way to crap on Spector’s reporting here on RNH-Jones and RNH vs Johansen:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/west-coast-bias-oilers-made-big-push-for-seth-jones/

    You have to admit, the guy has his uses.

  180. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Pajamah: Or the MSM can vote.
    Fans are stupid.

    hey, at least the fans didn’t try to clone Ovechkin & vote him in at two positions.

    I object to the “fans are stupid” stereotype. If on the other had you postulated, “the fan VOTE is stupid” then I am on board. What a shit show, proving the league learned jack shit from the Girgensons fiasco while the (voting) fans were smart enough to escalate the tomfoolery to a whole new level.

  181. leadfarmer says:

    RexLibris,

    4th OV for Hamonic? That is a crazy overpayment, even though we desperately need D there is no way I would do that.

  182. commonfan14 says:

    Really does make you wonder about that Caleb Jones pick now. How far back was that idea on Chia’s mind?

  183. Snowman says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Am I the only person that thinks this is a giant “FUCK YOU” from the NHL to its fans?

    This feels like a giant fuck you to everyone involved. Just a pathetic handling of the whole situation. I’m not sure the league could have done this a poorer way from start to finish. Extremely mickey mouse and not in the entertaining cartoon mouse way.

  184. vinotintazo says:

    I think RNH for Jones was a mistake short term, but who knows long term…

    If your top 2 Cs are Rookies (Leon and McD.) I think we’ll be in trouble again.

  185. Pajamah says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    JDï™,

    Don’t get me wrong, I am not proclaiming that the MSM is smarter, just that they’re the only ones other than the NHL with a vested interest in attendees.

    I’m also really and truly against fan voting. If Trump can convince Americans that he is the best choice, and Wyshynski can convince rubes to vote in John Scott, then I have 0 faith in the electorate/general public.

  186. Pajamah says:

    Bruce McCurdy: hey, at least the fans didn’t try to clone Ovechkin & vote him in at two positions.

    I object to the “fans are stupid” stereotype. If on the other had you postulated, “the fan VOTE is stupid” then I am on board. What a shit show, proving the league learned jack shit from the Girgensons fiasco while the (voting) fans were smart enough to escalate the tomfoolery to a whole new level.

    Better stated on your end. It is the fan vote that is stupid. Because it allows for the vocal minority of brain dead fans to see John Scott voted in, let alone as a captain.

    Not all fans are stupid. If I truly thought so, I certainly wouldn’t spend so much of my time on a hockey blog, conversing with fellow Oiler fans.

    Not all fans are a-scum, I only consider them-a scum when they vote for terrible players.

  187. AnOmYnOuS1 says:

    commonfan14,

    Interesting news. I chuckled at the fact that even those working in the NHL were split on the RNH vs Johansen debate.

  188. Snowman says:

    Pajamah:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    JDï™,

    Don’t get me wrong, I am not proclaiming that the MSM is smarter, just that they’re the only ones other than the NHL with a vested interest in attendees.

    I’m also really and truly against fan voting. If Trump can convince Americans that he is the best choice, and Wyshynski can convince rubes to vote in John Scott, then I have 0 faith in the electorate/general public.

    Having a problem with fan voting is a bit ridiculous. The whole entire league is fan driven. Literally. Fans pay everybody. If the golden goose says John Scott is pacific division captain that should be enough for Bettman. He forgets who pays the bills.

    Whether you agree with John Scott being an all star is another item. Could’ve voted.

  189. Diesel says:

    In my opinion, anyone who thinks the John Scott nomination was an “every-man” story and not simply a case of fans with a flare for the ironic hoping to score a laugh at Scott’s expense has a little too much faith in humanity.

    It was a bad situation made far worse by the way greaseball Gary and the league has allegedly handled it.

  190. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    commonfan14,

    One of the more balanced and informative (ie not dripping with Oil hatred) posts from Spector. Kudos to him for that.

  191. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Diesel:
    In my opinion, anyone who thinks the John Scott nomination was an “every-man” story and not simply a case of fans with a flare for the ironic hoping to score a laugh at Scott’s expense has a little too much faith in humanity.

    It was a bad situation made far worse by the way greaseball Gary and the league has allegedly handled it.

    I think the joke was at the league’s expense rather that Scott’s.

  192. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Am I the only person that thinks this is a giant “FUCK YOU” from the NHL to its fans?

    Since when has the NHL cared about its fans?
    The last lockout, the big one before that, or the one before that???

  193. Diesel says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I think the joke was at the league’s expense rather that Scott’s.

    You’re likely right about a portion of voters. Which portion belongs to who is up for (a pointless) debate.

    I suppose in the big picture most opinions on the matter fall into one of a couple categories:

    Those with a sense of humor (regardless of who is on the butt end of their joke).
    Those with the desire to preserve the “righteousness” of the nominees, however they define it.
    Those who genuinely want to pay tribute to a “blue collar” player. (Although there would be several other more deserving candidates)

  194. frjohnk says:

    vinotintazo:
    I think RNH for Jones was a mistake short term, but who knows long term…

    If your top 2 Cs are Rookies (Leon and McD.) I think we’ll be in trouble again.

    I would hazard a guess that if RNH for Jones had went down that there would have been another trade for a veteran center

  195. JDï™ says:

    Snowman: Whether you agree with John Scott being an all star is another item. Could’ve voted.

    The funniest thing for me, were the fans who said the inclusion of Scott had ruined the ASG for them.

  196. kinger_OIL says:

    – I think the OIL fan values RNH similar to how we valued Hemsky: Hemsky was never a top-5 winger, RNH not a true 1C on many teams (he’s not even on our team now and we suck).

    – Chia wants another really high ceiling D to build around: a D with Nurse/Klef/Griff/Davidson and a Hamilton or Jones type could be really really special for 10 years

    – Personallly, I’d go for 3 more more #3-4 D’s, keep all three of our C’s: but I’m not GM: and he wants to trade from strength

  197. Really? says:

    Ever since the draft I have been hearing about how Chiarelli made a bad trade when he acquired Reinhart for picks. Having watched Reinhart closely in junior and while he was playing for the Oilers, I am convinced he is going to be full value for the Oilers.

    He isn’t flashy nor is he a totally gifted offensive player. What he is, is a solid defensive player who is big enough to break the cycle and play a physical game when needed. He has decent hands and is a good passer.

    Within a year he will be playing in our top four and acquitting himself well.

  198. BONVIE says:

    I couldnt agree more with you on this.

Leave a Reply

Want to join the discussion?
Feel free to contribute!
© Copyright - Lowetide.ca