THICK AS A BRICK

This is Cam Talbot. If the Oilers are winning, he is standing on his head—it has been that way for awhile now. Edmonton gave up some 10-bell chances last night, won the Corsi, won the game, and I suspect lost a few more gold bricks to the Talbot family in the next contract. Early days, but those bricks may be worth it. His SP this season is now .914 and if the Oilers had played even reasonably well in the past 30 days in front of him they might be in a playoff position this morning.

BUNGLE IN THE JUNGLE, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1
  • Oilers in January 2015: 5-7-1
  • Oilers in January 2016: 3-2-2
  • Oilers after 46 in 2014-15: 11-26-9, 31 points (-51 GD)
  • Oilers after 46 in 2015-16: 18-23-5, 41 points (-23 GD)

They are 10-8-3 since December 1 and they have lost more man games than any organization not involved in a ground war. If they continue on this pace, Edmonton will finish with 73 points. I suspect we will see a few more points than that, but let’s see how this plays out. Oilers are too far from the playoffs to discuss, but I imagine Todd McLellan is pushing hard and we should expect the team to compete throughout the winter and into spring (as Todd Nelson’s crew did a year ago).

Finally, if you want to cheer for the playoffs, then you go right damn ahead. Don’t let the smart kids ruin your fun. If I catch one Oilers observer ruining the fun of a fan cheering for the playoffs, it’s bike racks at 3:30 and I mean business. Seriously. There is an entire group of Oilers fan who spends their day and night trying to depress people. We all see the numbers, folks. Some fans would like to think that McDavid and Klefbom returning, combined with Talbot’s emergence, could mean a couple or winning streaks. Let them have their fun. If you keeping crapping on people, I am saving the comments and tweets and running them on a wall of shame. Seriously. Enough with the badgering.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

oilers blue nov 30

  • A crazy game last night in a lot of ways, including line shuffling (hold on a minute) and pairings changes on the fly.
  • Eric Gryba had another good night and his Corsi for 5×5% on the season is now 49.6. He played with two defenders, Davidson early and then Nurse late when what became the third pairing could not keep it together. A good game from the veteran, if scouts are watching him they must be seeing him good.
  • Brandon Davidson is a splendid young player, always seems to be at the right place and works hard at aspects of the game that are weaknesses. His ability to get the puck out under control makes him a superstar on a roster that appears incapable of a legitimate forward pass.
  • Darnell Nurse had a tough night, but I think McLellan reacted pretty well. Took the young man off the Schultz pairing, reduced his minutes and placed him with Gryba. Excellent in-game management. I have read in places that McLellan cut him out of the rotation as the game went along, but if you look at the recap (here) it shows he played between 4:49 and 5:25 each period. I was pleased with McLellan’s handling of the player.
  • Mark Fayne, I think I love you. It has been in insane year for the veteran, complete with humiliation and now (I hope) redemption. Todd McLellan appears to be warming to a veteran defender who can hold possession at about 50 percent and play the Sekera minutes. Scored a goal, seems to be emerging as part of the team. If the Oilers tried to trade him now, I bet he would get them something. Hope they don’t, and perhaps the increased role suggests McLellan has changed his mind. I have no problem with Mark Fayne on this team next season.
  • Andrej Sekera has been getting better every game since he arrived, and has been this team’s rock through these months. Smart, smart player, he checks down like a coach, each time he makes a decision I find myself nodding. I wonder if he wants to coach someday. If they had played him with Fayne all year the Corsi For 5×5 percentage (now 46.47, Rel -3.65) would be miles better. Thank you for coming to Edmonton, Mr. Sekera. Nice to see some finally realizing what you bring.
  • Justin Schultz had a tough night with Nurse, I will side for the veteran in this case because the youngster seemed to have a lot of indecision in his game. Once placed with Davidson, it was far better for 19.
  • The key defensemen for me last night: Sekera, Fayne, Davidson, Gryba. Huh.

CENTERS, LAST NIGHT

oil c nov 30

  • Mark Letestu is delivering consistent and quality effort to the Oilers now, I have finally marked him. He is a strange mix of skills, but it works well, so well in fact that this line played itself into wicked minutes during the game. Peter Chiarelli is taking a lot of heat in the comments section for Korpikoski and Reinhart, but this deal for Letestu is the actual Gordon trade and I like it. Better speed, better offense, and he looked fine to my eye in the mentor role with Yak and Kassian. He even went 6-4 in 3:30 against the Gaudreau.
  • Leon Draisaitl had some moments (two high-danger scoring chances) and for me his speed is on full display against a counter trey team like the Flames. I do wonder how much time it will take before he can take on the toughest opposition without worry—he seems pretty steady to me eye already. It is important to keep those career GP totals in mind.
  • Anton Lander had another game that is Anton Lander—I really like the player and things go pretty well when he is on the ice. McLellan handled his shifts by period thusly: 10 in the first, 9 in the second, 3 in the third and 1 in overtime. I heard someone say this coach uses all four lines throughout the game, that is bad scouting.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is in the sights of the fans now, so any mistake gets magnified. PIMs aside, I liked his game last night (also two high-danger scoring chances) and do feel his is better cast with Eberle in this group (and Hall with Leon). Nuge-Hall were 6-7, Nuge-Poo were 11-8 on the night.

kassian capture jan 14

WINGERS, LAST NIGHT

oilers f nov 30

  • Nail Yakupov saw his TOI increase and the Corsi’s are so happy these days it is incredible. Remains a raw, flawed player, but I like him with Letestu until McDavid comes back. I wish McLellan would turn him loose, especially on a night when goals were needed.
  • Teddy Purcell won a fan for life this season, the guy is bloody brilliant. Not just the shootout goal, but miles of good decisions before it. I like him with Hall because in some ways he is the anti-Hall (slow and cerebral) and they work well together.
  • Zack Kassian was second among Oilers wingers in even-strength time on ice. Zack Kassian was second among Oilers wingers in even-strength time on ice.
  • Benoit Pouliot is going to get himself traded. The big man needs to have more of an impact in these games, or maybe consistent impact. Among wingers last night, he was given the fifth most even-strength minutes. That is third line and he  is making too much money for the coach to prefer Zack Kassian.
  • Taylor Hall had lots of critics last night, but Jesus, Mary and Joseph people how long have we talked about context. Gifted the Giordano-Brodie pairing last night (13-10 against Gio, 13-12 against James Norris), it is a wonder he got to the bathroom without company.
  • Lauri Korpikoski has lost a ton of playing time to Yak/Kassian, wonder if there is a trade market for him at the deadline. Earlier in the year, I had a running count of times he shot the puck on his own side of center, trying for an empty net goal, but decided to stop tracking it when he kept scoring empty net goals. He must have value.
  • Jordan Eberle led the team with four individual scoring chances, none were deemed high event and that is about how I saw him. It is easy to be critical of a scorer who doesn’t cash in a single game, but he appears to be back and he has enormous value.
  • Iiro Pakarinen went 4-8 with Hall and Nuge before McLellan brought out the blender (they are going to need a new blender after last night) and I think we knew he wasn’t going to play the whole game there. I like him more than a few other forwards, but he probably gets sent down at some point.

It is the right call, especially if they can get him done for a reasonable number. How much time does he have left in his productive window? Five years? Less? I would sign him for three, depending on the money. Peter Chiarelli should get some credit here, wonder if he will. Here are his splits as an Oiler:

  • October: 10GP, 2.88 .897
  • November: 3GP, 4.06 .864
  • December: 7GP, 2.41 .934
  • January: 6GP, 1.60 .942

I think Cam Talbot earned the contract, and Peter Chiarelli made an excellent trade at the draft. One of the major issues PC faced coming here was in goal, hopefully the contract is fair and the position is strong for the rest of the decade.

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  1. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    godot10,

    And you, too, are missing my point. So I will repost:

    You are missing my point ENTIRELY. I loved the Sekera signing.
    My point is that Chiarelli has a history of doing this, and it caught up to him in Boston. Monitor the situation. That’s my point.

  2. blainer says:

    Does anybody here know if the U.S. based teams have to help supplement the Canadian teams at times like this where the dollar is so weak ?

    I kinda remember some talk about that.. Speeds or G ?

  3. ASkoreyko says:

    stevezie,

    I guess that could be true, but it always seems like a weird trait to have knowing that something will be coming back your way. You are bringing misery upon yourself.

    I think we are all pulling for Kassian and hope he turns into somewhat a Lucic-lite so that PC won’t have to go open up the vault this summer.

  4. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    blainer:
    Does anybody here know if the U.S. based teams have to help supplement the Canadian teams at times like this where the dollar is so weak ?

    I kinda remember some talk about that..Speeds or G ?

    Pages 6 and 7
    http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/CBA2012/NHL_NHLPA_Proposed_CBA_-_Summary_of_Terms_FINAL_-_Jan._12,_2013%20(1).pdf

    It has nothing to do with Canadian or American team, but which teams have the most revenue. There’s no supporting the Canadian teams just because of a weak ass Canadian dollar.

  5. Woodguy says:

    square_wheels:
    Klima’s_Bucket,

    Trust me, if there was a small mom and pop franchise selling wood and wood products, with actual knowledgable staff……I’d be a lined up with every other builder shopping there.

    I wonder what Woodguy would call his enterprise ? Would he have popcorn ??

    The Thorogood family sold Totem to Rona years ago.

    The local Home Hardware’s are often franchises.

    The local Timbrmart are locally owned as that is a buying group and not a corporation.

    Same with Castle Building Supplies afaik

  6. square_wheels says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    You’re not alone. I just have full forgiveness for him if we can get this cluster into the playoffs and make hay.

    10 years, 10 rotten God damn years in the Hinterland.

    And besides, Lombardi has set precedence with his Cap-Fuckery. Chia can sleaze his way out of this.

  7. PunjabiOil says:

    Young Willis breaks down the cap situation, with the assumption that Schultz and Purcell won’t be back.

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/cult-of-hockey-how-much-cap-room-do-the-oilers-have-after-the-talbot-extension

    The cap situation isn’t as rosy as previously thought.

    The Korpikoski deal was absolute buffoonery and will hurt this summer.

  8. square_wheels says:

    Woodguy,

    You didn’t answer the question 🙂

    Might I suggest : Got Wood !

    A good friend owns the Speedy Creek HH with his dad and bro, and as my father in law is a builder who shops locally at HH. Here in Calgary you actually get decent service at the old Totem on 16th, as shockingly, the same staff have been there the 4 years I’ve been buying stuff there.

    In fact, you could argue the one area of Canadian business that’s not completely Americanized is this one.

    Fuck Home Despot though, storing wood indoors = blasphemy.

  9. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    PunjabiOil,

    Did we think it was rosy?
    That said
    Nikitin -4.5
    Purcell -4.5
    Schultz -3.9

    That’s -12.9
    So far they’ve added 2.717 to next year for Talbot

    Leaving 10.183 to work with to stay flat to this year.

  10. DRFNsuperstar says:

    At the Winsport about to coach, on before us is Calgary versus Toronto (wikinheiser vs. Spooner) and sledge on the other rink. Well done Calgary, that is some awesome entertainment. Spooner is goood. It was exciting and it makes you think what makes them so different that they can’t hit and have to wear full cages. There still is minor contact (they were hitting just no open ice ones). Went down to a nail bitter 3-2 win.

  11. blainer says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Skip

    Ya I wasn’t sure but that dollar is gonna hurt big time with a few Canadian teams with their payroll in U.S. dollars..

    I see real cap problems with a lot of teams. We are lucky not to be in that position at this time.. Hopefully it changes in CMD’s second contract.

    Agreed Chia is making me nervous. I hate those NMC. I can live with the term on this one though. Any longer would have been extremely risky IMO.

  12. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    blainer,

    Yes, and with the new building, the Oilers are officially a “have” team. The days of “have not” are over, weak dollar or not. Katz will, as any smart business man will, use creative accounting to show a loss so he doesn’t have to pay as much in taxes, but make no mistake, the team will be profitable and will be okay in a downturn.

    Ottawa, Winnipeg? Not so much.
    Even Calgary will suffer a little. Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, Edmonton should be fine. (Vancouver’s potential for profit might be the lowest because that rink will not sell out if they opt for a rebuild)

  13. Lowetide says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Young Willis breaks down the cap situation, with the assumption that Schultz and Purcell won’t be back.

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/cult-of-hockey-how-much-cap-room-do-the-oilers-have-after-the-talbot-extension

    The cap situation isn’t as rosy as previously thought.

    The Korpikoski deal was absolute buffooneryand will hurt this summer.

    I think Fayne and Pouliot may not return. Edmonton will be a cap team, but they are going to make substantial moves this summer imo.

  14. gd says:

    I think we are overly concerned about Chia’s cap track record. Every top team in the post lockout era got away with overpaying in the first few years of the cap as the cap went up enough every year to cover for the overpayments. While he isn’t a cap genius he doesn’t have a contract as bad as Dustin Brown’s, Bickell’s or Weiss’s on his resume. Every team with resources, except for maybe Toronto, will be in some type of cap hell until it goes up over 5% some year.

    The most important part of cap management for this team is to get McDavid to sign as cheap a second contract as possible. The low cap for the next couple of years could really help this, but I think the key is to make Connor feel like he is sure he is going to win cups here and then he will take a “home town discount” that will dwarf any $600K overpayment.

    Want to know what’s worse than slightly overpaying a top 20 goalie? It’s paying a couple of Dman over $3mill to not play for you. I think Chia did pretty well in the Talbot situation in terms of asset cost, as I think he is a top 20 goalie and at the right age to stay okay for the contract. The contract ends still early enough in the Connor years that we can upgrade to a Price if that is what we need to win the Cup.

  15. Klima's_Bucket says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Klefbom extension too.

  16. speeds says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    PunjabiOil,

    Did we think it was rosy?
    That said
    Nikitin -4.5
    Purcell -4.5
    Schultz -3.9

    That’s -12.9
    So far they’ve added2.717 to next year for Talbot

    Leaving 10.183 to work with to stay flat to this year.

    Also added ~3.25 via Klefbom extension.

  17. Frank the dog says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    blainer,

    Yes, and with the new building, the Oilers are officially a “have” team. The days of “have not” are over, weak dollar or not.Katz will, as any smart business man will, use creative accounting to show a loss so he doesn’t have to pay as much in taxes, but make no mistake, the team will be profitable and will be okay in a downturn.

    Ottawa, Winnipeg? Not so much.
    Even Calgary will suffer a little. Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, Edmonton should be fine. (Vancouver’s potential for profitmight be the lowest because that rink will not sell out if they opt for a rebuild)

    Not too hard to make a profit if the Arena of gifted and all your other wages and expenses are in a cheap currency like ours.

  18. blainer says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    blainer,

    Yes, and with the new building, the Oilers are officially a “have” team. The days of “have not” are over, weak dollar or not.Katz will, as any smart business man will, use creative accounting to show a loss so he doesn’t have to pay as much in taxes, but make no mistake, the team will be profitable and will be okay in a downturn.

    Ottawa, Winnipeg? Not so much.
    Even Calgary will suffer a little. Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, Edmonton should be fine. (Vancouver’s potential for profitmight be the lowest because that rink will not sell out if they opt for a rebuild)

    That is one area we are fortunate. Solid ownership. I completely forgot about the new building and the increased revenue.

    Jeebus can you imagine trying to negotiate that deal with the city now..

  19. Bman says:

    blainer: Ya I wasn’t sure but that dollar is gonna hurt big time with a few Canadian teams withtheirpayroll in U.S. dollars..

    I see real cap problems with a lot of teams. We are lucky not to be in that position at this time.. Hopefully it changes in CMD’s second contract.

    Agreed Chia is making me nervous. I hate those NMC. I can live with the term on this one though. Any longer would have been extremely risky IMO.

    I am not fussed by a no move it is only 3 years As a Google who wants to be the guy I think it is more than fair

    I am happy with the $ too

    Better him than bringing in Ward or something resembling the former bullin wall

  20. blainer says:

    I wonder if that contract was done or was almost done last week and that is when Nilsson found out about it.. The timing would match his meltdown last week with his stick banging at practise.

  21. speeds says:

    I’ve been relatively critical of many Chiarelli moves to this point, as compared to most (I think), and I do not love this contract either.

    However, what I will say is there is a difference between overpaying a player at a critical area of need (Talbot) and acquiring an overpaid player (Korpikoski) that plays way down the depth chart.

    At the same time, you can’t overpay numerous players and not expect that to make it harder to fix other areas that need address.

  22. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Frank the dog: Not too hard to make a profit if the Arena of gifted and all your other wages and expenses are in a cheap currency like ours.

    Oh for sure. He got a sweetheart deal–the kind that businessmen get from government officials when they wield the threat of moving elsewhere over them.

    But I will leave it at that and not get into politics.

  23. Woodguy says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Young Willis breaks down the cap situation, with the assumption that Schultz and Purcell won’t be back.

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/cult-of-hockey-how-much-cap-room-do-the-oilers-have-after-the-talbot-extension

    The cap situation isn’t as rosy as previously thought.

    The Korpikoski deal was absolute buffooneryand will hurt this summer.

    That’s really close to what I got too.

    Here it is:

    Center :
    RNH $6MM
    McDavid : $3.775MM*
    Saddle: $3.4MM*
    Letestu: $1.8MM
    Lander: $987.5K

    Total Centers 5; Cap: $15,9625

    Left Wing:
    Hall $6MM
    Pou: $4MM
    Korpse: $2.5MM (I might buy this out. $500K 1st year, $1MM second or keep him in AHL for $1.575 cap next year)
    Hendo $1.85

    Total LW 4 – Cap $14.35

    Right Wing
    Eberle $6MM
    Yak $2.5MM

    Total RW 2 – Cap $8.5MM

    Defence
    Sekera $5.5MM
    Klefbom $4.167
    Fayne $3.625
    Nurse $863
    Reinhart $863

    Total D 5 – Cap $15.018

    Goalies:
    Talbot $4.167

    Total G 1 – $4.167

    Buyout: Ference $1.0833

    Total players 17

    Total cost $57.9975

    * Note on why I have McDavid and Draisaitl at full pop and not Nurse, Reinhart.

    Total ELC bonus amount: $8.525 for all 4 players.

    Cap is currently $71.4MM, most C$ were converted in fall so cap will probably be ~72MM (Bettman says $74.4, but I’m hedging a bit.

    Bonus cushion is 7.5% so Oilers can exceed the cap by $5.4MM. If bonuses paid out are less than $5.4MM then they do not get a cap penalty the next year. McD’s are $2.85 and Drai’s are $2.475 = $5.32MM. I doubt Nurse ($825K) or Reinhart ($2.35MM) achieve much bonus past TOI so I think its safe to assume $6MM paid in bonuses is a healthy budget.

    This is why I have McDavid at $3.775 and Draisaitl at $3.4MM in the cap calculation and Nurse, Reinhart at just their base salaries as it account for the overage while just using the straight cap number of $72MM

    So;

    Oilers need to sign 2RW, 2 Dmen, 1 extra forward and 1G and have $14MM to do it.

    Let’s assume:

    Back up goalie/Broissoitt $875K
    Davidson as a Dman $1.5MM
    Kassian as a RW $2.75 (currently $1.75MM and an RFA)
    Purcell as RW $2MM (I think the suggestions of $3MM are way off)
    Pakarinen as extra forward $1.0MM

    That leaves $5.875 to sign the last Dman.

    That assumes everyone comes back and no one goes out.

    Places to save $$$:

    Buyout Korpse save $2.0MM next year, costs $1MM the year after
    Go with Slepeshev as a RW instead of Purcell save about $1MM

    Then there’s trading more expensive players for less expensive players.

    Pouliot would be trade-able.

    Interesting times.

  24. Mr DeBakey says:

    G Money: Chia also needs to sign a mid-range goalie to backstop Talbot if he falters,

    Alexander Salak
    Goalie — shoots L
    Born Jan 5 1987 — Strakonice, Czech Rep.
    [29 yrs. ago]
    Height 6.03 — Weight 189 [191 cm/86 kg]
    2014-15 Novosibirsk Sibir 0.945
    2015-16 Novosibirsk Sibir 0.940

  25. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy,

    Purcell is going to sign for $2M, down from $4.5M when he posts about 50 points? I don’t see it. I see the Oilers trading him for a 2nd at the deadline and signing a cheaper replacement instead.

  26. Gordies Elbow says:

    Hall – Draisaitl – Eberle
    Pouliot – McDavid – Yakupov
    Khaira – Hopkins – Kassian
    Hendricks – Letestu – Korpikowski
    Lander

    Klefbom – Sekera
    Nurse – Fayne
    Davidson – Reinhart
    Gryba

    Talbot
    Brossoit

    Salaries: $58,847,832
    Bonuses (Max): $8,525,000
    Buyout: $1,083,333

    Cap (flat, same as this year): $71,400,000
    Bonus Cushion (7.5% of cap): $5,355,000

    Cap Space: $(11,468,835)
    Cap Space assuming all bonuses hit: $(2,943,835)
    Maximum Allowable to Spend: $(16,823,835)

    Assuming:
    – Gryba from $1,250,000 to $1,500,000
    – Kassian from $1,750,000 to $2,000,000
    – Davidson from $585,000 to $1,000,000
    – Brossoit from $659,166 to $800,000
    – Buyout of Ference at $1,083,333
    – Purcell, Klinkhammer, Pakarinen, Gazdic, Schultz, Nilsson not resigned.

    Playoff team?

  27. dustrock says:

    I’m fine with 3 years. Seems like an overpay but I still think one needs to overpay athletes to come here as the playoffs are still a ways away. For t the market rates for starting goalies it’s not outrageous either.

    They need to dump Korpse Fayne and maybe Pouliot on top of Ference and Nikitin I think.

  28. PunjabiOil says:

    Not sure if Chia trades Pouliot (or if he even should) – he definitely adds an element on the team and is heavy on the puck – the type of player Chia desires.

    Fayne could be traded, but not without a contract coming back the other way. Korpikowski possibly could have a market if you retain salary.

    Eberle for Hamonic can solve alot of problems – get a value contract, address a team need, and ability to use cap savings towards a replacement (though arguable/unlikely you can replace Eberle via UFA market).

  29. Bank Shot says:

    Glad to get Talbot under contract for 3 years. That takes a lot of uncertainty away in the nets. Hopefully he lives up to the contract as he’s here for two seasons no matter what. I think he’s a good bet.

    I wouldn’t be upset that Chiarelli overpaid. Talbot had other options in the offseason. You don’t sign in Edmonton unless you get paid a premium. That’s just how it works until the Oilers stop finishing last every season.

    4 games until McDavid. Woo!

  30. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Just spitballing here but if the Islanders trade Hamonic for Eberle how does their defence look next season?

    Leddy – Boychuk
    Hickey – ??????
    De Haan -??????

    That would cripple their D wouldn’t it???

  31. Bank Shot says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Hall – Draisaitl – Eberle
    Pouliot – McDavid – Yakupov
    Khaira – Hopkins – Kassian
    Hendricks – Letestu – Korpikowski
    Lander

    Klefbom – Sekera
    Nurse – Fayne
    Davidson – Reinhart
    Gryba

    Talbot
    Brossoit

    Playoff team?

    Not with that D-core.

    The Oilers seriously need to plug in two top four guys in the summer.

    That probably means sending one or two of Klefbom, Nurse, Reinhart, and Davidson down the road. You can’t run that few games in your D-core every night and win on a consistent basis.

    I’d also replace Khaira with whichever decent veteran UFA ends up sitting around without a contract once the July flurry is over. I’d have time for a guy like Horcoff to do a victory lap in Edmonton as 13th forward as well.

    Brossoit can play another year in the minors as well. Keep him under your thumb until he’s waiver eligible. A playoff hopeful team needs a good option in the minors for injury replacement.

    Next year is the year that the Oiles have to stop leaving a roster spot open for a rookie to win. They left too many this year, and they are last again. Time to get serious.

  32. Gerta Rauss says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Just spitballing here but if the Islanders trade Hamonic for Eberle how does their defence look next season?

    Leddy – Boychuk
    Hickey – ??????
    De Haan -??????

    That would cripple their D wouldn’t it???

    You’d have to think they would be in there pitching for Big Buff

    Snow will have work to do if he trades Hamonic for a forward though, point taken

  33. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Woodguy,

    Purcell is going to sign for $2M, down from $4.5M when he posts about 50 points? I don’t see it. I see the Oilers trading him for a 2nd at the deadline and signing a cheaper replacement instead.

    I like Purcell but the market for complimentary wingers is flooded.

    If he gets moved away from Hall when McDavid gets back (4-93-29) his points will plunge.

    Purcell GFON/60 w/ Hall 2.80
    Purcell GFON/60 w/o Hall 1.47

    Stepniak got $875 last year.

    I think $2MM is close.

  34. Chamucks says:

    Gerta Rauss,
    I still really think Hamonic gets his wish and goes to the Jets after they gather assets from Big Buff.
    Doubtful that NYI take a “rental” in exchange for Hamonic’s amazing contract.

  35. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy: I like Purcell but the market for complimentary wingers is flooded.

    If he gets moved away from Hall when McDavid gets back (4-93-29) his points will plunge.

    Purcell GFON/60 w/ Hall 2.80
    Purcell GFON/60 w/o Hall 1.47

    Stepniak got $875 last year.

    I think $2MM is close.

    Ya, and I wanted to trade Purcell for salary retained and sign Stempniak to replace him.

    Purcell might end up around $2M this summer, but what I am saying is I don’t think he re-signs with Edmonton before the deadline for $2M per and thus Chia will trade him for a pick. I should have clarified.

    I don’t see Purcell back with this team unless Chiarelli overpays for a complementary winger, and I hope he does not do so.

  36. Woodguy says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Just spitballing here but if the Islanders trade Hamonic for Eberle how does their defence look next season?

    Leddy – Boychuk
    Hickey – ??????
    De Haan -??????

    That would cripple their D wouldn’t it???

    The depth chart is actually (based on QC)

    De Haan – Hamonic
    Leddy – Boychuck
    Hickey – Zidlickey

    Polock is really close and has a cannon for a shot so you can pencil him in at 3RD

    De Haan – Boychuck
    Leddy – ??????
    HIckey – Pulock

    They’ve also had Mayfield (RH) up for one game and Pelech (LH) up for 7.

    They’d need 1 RHD. Just like about 10 teams.

  37. fifthcartel says:

    Potential free agent wingers that could come cheap:

    Versteeg
    David Jones
    Grabner (I like Grabner)
    McGinn
    Matthias
    Helm (C too, I believe)
    Ben Smith
    Parenteau

    I like Grabner, McGinn, Matthias, Helm and Smith for a lower role. Wouldn’t mind Versteeg but I wonder if they think he’s too small.

    I really want to see a Hall-McDavid-Grabner line against heavy-footed third-pairing defensemen.

  38. Woodguy says:

    Chamucks:
    Gerta Rauss,
    I still really think Hamonic gets his wish and goes to the Jets after they gather assets from Big Buff.
    Doubtful that NYI take a “rental” in exchange for Hamonic’s amazing contract.

    I bet Chia out bids WPG.

  39. kinger_OIL says:

    – The $10MM for Pou and one of Eberle/RNH will be spent to change roster mix a lot

    – Lots of flexibility for sure, above just what comes off books

  40. leadfarmer says:

    One day GMs will learn to not give out NMC to players that are not proven to be elite. Many of the cap strung teams are cap strung because of that reason.

  41. Woodguy says:

    fifthcartel:
    Potential free agent wingers that could come cheap:

    Versteeg
    David Jones
    Grabner (I like Grabner)
    McGinn
    Matthias
    Helm (C too, I believe)
    Ben Smith
    Parenteau

    Purcell too!

    Inside the org replacements: Slappy, Khaira.

  42. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy: They’d need 1 RHD. Just like about 10 teams.

    Justin Schultz could fit the bill !!!!!
    Dare to dream.

  43. LadiesloveSmid says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    PunjabiOil,

    Did we think it was rosy?
    That said
    Nikitin -4.5
    Purcell -4.5
    Schultz -3.9

    That’s -12.9
    So far they’ve added2.717 to next year for Talbot

    Leaving 10.183 to work with to stay flat to this year.

    Korpikoski and Ference buyouts? hopefully, at least

  44. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy,

    Chevaldayoff moves very slowly and will not make a trade just to make one. He uses the same pony express service Tambo used to communicate and make his decisions and he communicates in Old Entish, aka very very slowly.

  45. Chamucks says:

    Woodguy,

    Just like he outbid Jarmo and Treliving?
    I’m not being snarky either. Just really don’t see us having what NYI want for him.
    It’s hard to imagine a package they would ACTUALLY agree to that’s reasonable for us.

  46. fifthcartel says:

    Woodguy,

    I’m a little concerned about Slepyshev’s 5 points in 20 games in the AHL.

    I think they need to try and dump Korpikoski or even Hendricks at the deadline. They can easily replace those guys and use their cap hit elsewhere. Khaira might be able to be one of those replacements.

  47. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy,

    Chia likes to overpay complimentary players. I highly doubt he will sign him for 2 mil. His agent will show Korpses contract and say you really going to pay him less. I’m guessing either gone at the deadline or 3 per for 2 years

  48. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy: Purcell too!

    Inside the org replacements: Slappy, Khaira.

    The inside the org guys bring Lander level offense and we can’t have that penned into the roster in preseason.

    I think the Oilers need to replace Purcell with a player that is stronger defensively.

    Hall-Draisaitl-Eberle
    Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov
    XXX-Hopkins-Kassian
    Korpikoski-Letestu-Hendricks

    If that is how the roster shakes out, then you’ve got to add in a guy there that can play heavy PK minutes because right now you’ve only got 3 guys there that are in the regular rotation. Only the 4th liners are guys you can count on there.

    RNH is being used more as a 5-6th option and he can’t win defensive faceoffs so he’ll probably stay that way next season.

    You could add a Grabner, or maybe someone like Trevor Lewis or Dominic Moore. Needs to be someone reliable defensively. Purcell doesn’t really fit that mold all that well.

  49. Lowetide says:

    Bank Shot: The inside the org guys bring Lander level offense and we can’t have that penned into the roster in preseason.

    I think the Oilers need to replace Purcell with a player that is stronger defensively.

    Hall-Draisaitl-Eberle
    Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov
    XXX-Hopkins-Kassian
    Korpikoski-Letestu-Hendricks

    If that is how the roster shakes out, then you’ve got to add in a guy there that can play heavy PK minutes because right now you’ve only got 3 guys there that are in the regular rotation. RNH is being used more as a 5-6th option and he can’t end defensive faceoffs so he’ll probably stay that way next season.

    You could add a Grabner, or maybe someone like Trevor Lewis or Dominic Moore. Needs to be someone reliable defensively. Purcell doesn’t really fit that mold all that well.

    For me Slepyshev is a guy we should have on the radar. May write about him for 5.

  50. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy: That’s really close to what I got too.

    Here it is:

    Center :
    RNH $6MM
    McDavid : $3.775MM*
    Saddle: $3.4MM*
    Letestu: $1.8MM
    Lander: $987.5K

    Total Centers 5; Cap: $15,9625

    Left Wing:
    Hall $6MM
    Pou: $4MM
    Korpse: $2.5MM (I might buy this out. $500K 1st year, $1MM second or keep him in AHL for $1.575 cap next year)
    Hendo $1.85

    Total LW 4 – Cap $14.35

    Right Wing
    Eberle $6MM
    Yak $2.5MM

    Total RW 2 – Cap $8.5MM

    Defence
    Sekera $5.5MM
    Klefbom $4.167
    Fayne $3.625
    Nurse $863
    Reinhart $863

    Total D 5 – Cap $15.018

    Goalies:
    Talbot $4.167

    Total G 1 – $4.167

    Buyout: Ference $1.0833

    Total players 17

    Total cost $57.9975

    * Note on why I have McDavid and Draisaitl at full pop and not Nurse, Reinhart.

    Total ELC bonus amount: $8.525 for all 4 players.

    Cap is currently $71.4MM, most C$ were converted in fall so cap will probably be ~72MM (Bettman says $74.4, but I’m hedging a bit.

    Bonus cushion is 7.5% so Oilers can exceed the cap by $5.4MM.If bonuses paid out are less than $5.4MM then they do not get a cap penalty the next year.McD’s are $2.85 and Drai’s are $2.475 = $5.32MM.I doubt Nurse ($825K) or Reinhart ($2.35MM) achieve much bonus past TOI so I think its safe to assume $6MM paid in bonuses is a healthy budget.

    This is why I have McDavid at $3.775 and Draisaitl at $3.4MM in the cap calculation and Nurse, Reinhart at just their base salaries as it account for the overage while just using the straight cap number of $72MM

    So;

    Oilers need to sign 2RW, 2 Dmen, 1 extra forward and 1G and have $14MM to do it.

    Let’s assume:

    Back up goalie/Broissoitt $875K
    Davidson as a Dman $1.5MM
    Kassian as a RW $2.75 (currently $1.75MM and an RFA)
    Purcell as RW $2MM (I think the suggestions of $3MM are way off)
    Pakarinen as extra forward $1.0MM

    That leaves $5.875 to sign the lastDman.

    That assumes everyone comes back and no one goes out.

    Places to save $$$:

    Buyout Korpse save $2.0MM next year, costs $1MM the year after
    Go with Slepeshev as a RW instead of Purcell save about $1MM

    Then there’s trading more expensive players for less expensive players.

    Pouliot would be trade-able.

    Interesting times.

    You have all of Yak, Eberle, and Nuge on the roster. At least one of them and likely two of them will not be here to start next season.

  51. frjohnk says:

    Geez, worried about the cap next year.

    And this year this team is not going to make the pl……

    “Whoa, what’s that over there?”

    *gets on bike, peddles like a mad man*

  52. square_wheels says:

    Klima’s_Bucket,

    Remember when Chicago sheltered Leddy then gave him away ? Or when Boychuk was a 4 on the Bruins and got paid based on one “his big shot”.

    That’s a team that needs a 1/2 if Hamonic goes. I’d think that if Buff wanted to play in NY and the Isles actually wanted him, the deal would have happened.

  53. frjohnk says:

    leadfarmer: You have all of Yak, Eberle, and Nuge on the roster.At least one of them and likely two of them will not be here to start next season.

    If Yak improves on his play from the last two games, at 2.5M, he is tremendous value and I do not see him going anywhere next year.

  54. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    frjohnk: If Yak improves on his play from the last two games, at 2.5M, he is tremendous value and I do not see him going anywhere next year.

    It’s going to be one of Eberle or Nuge that goes. We wait.

  55. Bank Shot says:

    Lowetide: For me Slepyshev is a guy we should have on the radar. May write about him for 5.

    Do you leave a spot open for him in training camp next season though?

    I haven’t watched him in the A, but his stat line suggests that he isn’t forcing the issue.

    I like him as a potential call up.

  56. wheatnoil says:

    Let’s say the Oilers don’t win the lottery and pick 4th or so. Chychryn is on the board. Is there interest in making a deal again with Islanders where we flip firsts? Top 5 pick for Hamonic and their first (currently around 21st).

  57. Woodguy says:

    Chamucks:
    Woodguy,

    Just like he outbid Jarmo and Treliving?
    I’m not being snarky either. Just really don’t see us having what NYI want for him.
    It’s hard to imagine a package they would ACTUALLY agree to that’s reasonable for us.

    Kekalainen paid way too much for Jones today. Maybe not in 4 years, Oilers can’t wait that long.

    Chia did outbid Treliving, but BOS wouldn’t play ball.

  58. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    wheatnoil:
    Let’s say the Oilers don’t win the lottery and pick 4th or so. Chychryn is on the board. Is there interest in making a deal again with Islanders where we flip firsts? Top 5 pick for Hamonic and their first (currently around 21st).

    I suggested the same. It brings the window forward during the McDavid ELC. It works for the Oilers.
    And then a decision on salary needs to be made the following summer.

  59. kinger_OIL says:

    frjohnk: If Yak improves on his play from the last two games, at 2.5M, he is tremendous value and I do not see him going anywhere next year.

    Yes! Yak @2.5 + top-4 D @ 4.5 > than eberle @ $6mm, and its not even close for an extra $1MM

    – You off load Eberle’s salary, for whatever trade and/or your purchasing power for the D

    – Posters here get too wrapped up in getting “full value” to trade on of the big 3, ignoring that most of the value is actually being able to spend that money on different players to balance the team.

  60. pocession charge says:

    Chamucks:
    Woodguy,

    Just like he outbid Jarmo and Treliving?
    I’m not being snarky either. Just really don’t see us having what NYI want for him.
    It’s hard to imagine a package they would ACTUALLY agree to that’s reasonable for us.

    I’ll take a stab at it:

    To NYI:
    RW Jordan Eberle 6.0M/AAV
    D Brandon Davidson (RFA) 1.5M/AAV (estimate)

    To Edm:
    D Travis Hamonic 3.85M/AAV
    RW Cal Clutterbuck 2.75M/AAV

    The money is close. NYI get a good young defenceman to replace Hamonic and a scoring RW to replace Okposo (and play with JT). Oilers get the RHD that they need and a ‘Chiarelli-type’ player in Clutterbuck. Seems like a workable deal for both sides.

  61. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer: You have all of Yak, Eberle, and Nuge on the roster.At least one of them and likely two of them will not be here to start next season.

    No shit.

    Maybe that’s why I put :

    That assumes everyone comes back and no one goes out.

    in the post because as soon you start speculating the permutations get limitless.

    Christ people, read for comprehension.

  62. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I think we’re gonna like Pouliot a helluva lot more when McDavid is back.

    Kassian is a pretty fun player. He’ll make us pull our hair some nights, but I think we’ll learn to really like him. McLellan had him out in the last minute with Letestu on like 3 D zone draws and he just looked like a guy who wasn’t taking his NHL chance for granted. Real verbal and physical, got under the skin of the flames. Gotta imagine Korpikoski is out when Hendricks is back, and I’ll see unicorns on the horizon.

    Hall-Draii-Purcell
    Kassian-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov
    Hendricks-Lander-Letestu

  63. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy,

    Yes, sorry I missed that very vague line buried in a post that would make deadmanwaking say you writing a novel?

  64. speeds says:

    Woodguy: Kekalainen paid way too much for Jones today.Maybe not in 4 years, Oilers can’t wait that long.

    Chia did outbid Treliving, but BOS wouldn’t play ball.

    Outbid him pretty marginally, based on what we’re heard.

    BOS accepted 15, 45 and 52 from CGY, reportedly EDM offered 16, 33, and 57.

  65. Bank Shot says:

    kinger_OIL: Yes! Yak @2.5 + top-4 D @ 4.5 > than eberle @ $6mm, and its not even close for an extra $1MM

    – You off load Eberle’s salary, for whatever trade and/or your purchasing power for the D

    – Posters here get too wrapped up in getting “full value” to trade on of the big 3, ignoring that most of the value is actually being able to spend that money on difference players to balance the team.

    I agree. The issue ahead as well is that in 3-4 years you are going to start shedding guys like Eberle and Hall for poor returns as they will be expiring UFAs that the Oilers will be unable to keep.

    There aren’t ANY teams in the NHL with 5+ forwards making $5+ Million.

    So perhaps you have to pick four out of McDavid, RNH, Draisaitl, Hall, Eberle, Yak and get what you can for the other two.

  66. Woogie63 says:

    Lowetide,

    I liked Slepyshev in Penticton, I liked him in the early games (for a rookie), I have liked him a couple of AHL games. Given where we are now I would try with some NHL quality. We need to see if we have a 2LW or a 4LW here.

  67. LadiesloveSmid says:

    speeds: Outbid him pretty marginally, based on what we’re heard.

    BOS accepted 15, 45 and 52 from CGY, reportedly EDM offered 16, 33, and 57.

    would you have preferred him trading Nurse with some picks?

  68. Alpine says:

    If we could get Josh Bailey out of Hamonic/Eberle deal I’d be pretty happy. He’s basically a younger Pouliot and is signed to 3.3 for two more years. He would replace Purcell seamlessly.

  69. Richard S.S. says:

    Any trades that get made will come from an area of strength and possible overabundance if at all possible. But since that depends on how other G.M.’s value Oiler players, perhaps an overpay is always necessary to get who you want? Or keep who you want?

    With the firepower possible with the Oilers, they shouldn’t need Carey Price, because Cam Talbot should be more than enough, and as long as the total spend on your Goaltending doesn’t exceed 7.75% of the Cap, the Oilers should be fine.

  70. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Hamilton’s on pace for 32 points and allows more scoring chances/60 than Schultz. I’m not quite as bitter about that trade at the moment.

  71. speeds says:

    LadiesloveSmid: would you have preferred him trading Nurse with some picks?

    I would have preferred 16+33+57+2016 2nd for Hamilton to 16 + 33 for Reinhart. Would BOS have accepted that, did EDM offer it? Who knows?

    And yes, I would have considered trading Nurse depending on the deal.

  72. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: I like Purcell but the market for complimentary wingers is flooded.

    If he gets moved away from Hall when McDavid gets back (4-93-29) his points will plunge.

    Purcell GFON/60 w/ Hall 2.80
    Purcell GFON/60 w/o Hall 1.47

    Stepniak got $875 last year.

    I think $2MM is close.

    Ha, Stempniak is exactly who I was thinking of.

    Never commit to these guys for more than a year or two.

    I’d move Purcell at the deadline and see if he wants to re-sign in the summer.

    Why commit now when you don’t know what the market is?

    Wait until summer when the market established the price point and does a lot of the negotiating for you.

  73. RexLibris says:

    wheatnoil:
    Let’s say the Oilers don’t win the lottery and pick 4th or so. Chychryn is on the board. Is there interest in making a deal again with Islanders where we flip firsts? Top 5 pick for Hamonic and their first (currently around 21st).

    I’d suggested the pick for Hamonic earlier and I think that we can assume that a deal involving that pick gets done on draft day.

    Chiarelli is going to go hunting and given the kind of hyperbole that usually gets associated with prospects from January through to the draft I expect a lot of hears will be broken.

    *Full disclosure – I was very ticked off at all the moves they made last draft. Wasn’t really on board with the Reinhart move, thought they gave up too much for Talbot and damned near screamed at the computer when they moved Marincin essentially for Gryba. In retrospect, I was probably off on all counts, so my hockey operations acumen is probably best suited to the “spectator” role. 🙂

  74. AsiaOil says:

    Can’t understand the grousing on Talbot’s contract. This the way it was going to play out given that they traded for him as a pending UFA. If he played well (and has) he was going to demand decent dollars. If you think of this as a 4 year deal counting this season – and they should have the minute they decided to trade for him – then they got a bargain starter in year 1 and have to pay more in years 2-4. Average cost over 4 years is right at LTs happy $3.5 million number. The position was a mess when Chia took over and he took some risks. More than I felt happy about last summer before I heard about how highly Allaire thinks of him. But I’m now sold on his technique and mental strength and Chia looks to have won this deal. Even with the new contract we are still paying less than average, and in spite of the limited track record, he was a pending UFA who can clearly play. Don’t just base everything on the numbers – which are limited in this unique situation – the guy has talent and he can play.

    Also can’t see why people are worried about the backup situation. Give Nilsson his QO and have him and LB fight it out for the backup job. Loser goes down as depth – simple and affordable. LB should be ready to backup next season at least for part of the year and we can move Nilsson and LB back and forth if necessary.

    As for the rest -this team is a like a car with a high performance but temperamental engine (the forwards) and a new set of solid brakes (the goalie) but the damn transmission is busted (defense) and only has low gears. You can’t take advantage of the engine until you fix the transmission – nothing else matters. I’m not worried about Willis’ cap numbers – he’s got $14 million on the 3rd line and that will not last. Trading Eberle and possibly even Nuge for defense and a bit of extra size on the wing is perfectly sensible. We’ll be fine.

  75. LoDog says:

    Seems ok to me.

    Will like it a lot more if it is a precursor to some moves to actually improve the d before the deadline.
    better d = better team = even better numbers for Talbot = more money.

    I’ll go with that cause I am a positive guy.

  76. square_wheels says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    NYC, are you stateside currently ? As usual I find something amazing but it’s blocked to Canadian IP’s.

    Last night on SNL Fred Armisen spoke briefly about Bowie’s 1979 performance on the show and they opened their extremely tight vault and put them all up on NBC.com. I set aside some time today to reflect on his brilliance and had looked forward to some HD live work only to be foiled by living in the wrong country.

    Anyhow, thought I should put it out there before it’s gone.

    Edit – found it up on YouTube. Weird, NBC are usually taking everything down.

  77. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy,

    Yes, sorry I missed that very vague line buried in a post that would make deadmanwaking say you writing a novel?

    Fair, but it was mostly listing players and $.

  78. Woodguy says:

    Jim Matheson ‏@NHLbyMatty 1h1 hour ago
    Oscar Klefbom seen limping noticeably Saturday. Hearing he may have infection in leg.#EJLive

    Matty’s on the case!

    We should send him a deerstalker cap and a briar pipe.

  79. Centre of attention says:

    Woodguy:
    Jim Matheson ‏@NHLbyMatty1h1 hour ago
    Oscar Klefbom seen limping noticeably Saturday. Hearing he may have infection in leg.#EJLive

    Matty’s on the case!

    We should send him a deerstalker cap and a briar pipe.

    The fact hes up and walking means it hasn’t completely taken over his body.

    If it had spread he would be in a bed somewhere with the worst fever of his life.

    Positives!

  80. G Money says:

    *** NERD ALERT ***

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2016/01/17/goalies-and-value-for-dollars/

    Some thoughts on the Talbot situation (echoes much of what is being said here). It does have a nice chart of WG’s cap vs sv% data posted earlier.

  81. Bruce McCurdy says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": It doesn’t matter if you disagree or not. Your team is way over the cap.

    Hall(6) Drai (3.4)-Purcell (3)
    Lucic (6.5)McD (3.775) Yak (2.5)
    Kassian(1.75)-Nuge(6)-Eberle(6)
    Lander(.9)-Letestu(1.8)-Hendricks(1.6)
    Korpikoski(2.5)-Khaira(.8)

    Klefbom(4.167)-Hamonic(3.87)
    Nurse(.867)-Sekera (5.5)
    Reinhart(.867)-Fayne (3.6)
    Gryba-(2.5)

    Talbot (4.167)
    Brossoit(.875)

    Ference (3.25)

    Total 76.188

    Don’t forget the salary retained when Oilers trade Pouliot AND their best value contract for Hamonic.

    I can see one or the other but both doesn’t cut it. In fact all this chatter this week about trading Davidson just as he’s proving himself outstanding value for money is getting on my nerves more than a little bit.

    Why can’t we have (& bloody keep) nice things??

  82. Woodguy says:

    Nice piece on Rasmus Ritsolainen by Yeardon: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=797907&navid=nhl:topheads

    .67pts/gm this year.

    6’4: 207 RHD with a hammer of shot on the PP.

    Playing toughest comp with Gorges.

    Getting buried a bit like 21 year olds playing the toughs do, but he’s probably look really good playing 2nds.

    Taken one pick after Nurse.

    I like Nurse, but how would he fit on this team?

  83. sliderule says:

    I think Chia made a good gamble with Talbot.

    When Connor and Klefbom come back after the break the oil should go on a good run.

    Talbot could end up with a save percentage in the .925 area which if he hadn’t signed might have made it tough.

    The oilers will go on a run even after selling off all that they can at trade deadline.

    They are in desperate need of restocking their farm system with forwards.All their prospects that look decent are defenceman.?They have no forwards playing in the CHL and those they have in college are not looking good.

  84. OF17 says:

    With the cap the way it is, I don’t think Pouliot is tradable this offseason. Not many teams will have “$4 million complementary winger” on their to-do list, no matter how many intangibles he brings. We’d have to bring back some serious salary.

  85. Hiratij says:

    square_wheels,

    If you add the Hola extension for google chrome you can view the NBC site appearing to be in the US.

  86. sliderule says:

    Woodguy,

    I asked that question a while ago.

    How would oiler defence look with Ristolainen rather than Nurse and Faulk rather than Pitlick.

    Nurse was a pick you could see them making but after Hall was picked the second pick should have been a defender.

  87. OF17 says:

    sliderule:
    Woodguy,

    I asked that question a while ago.

    How would oiler defence look with Ristolainen rather than Nurse and Faulk rather than Pitlick.

    Nurse was a pick you could see them making but after Hall was picked the second pick should have been a defender.

    This is the type of thinking that leads to Musils instead of Jenners as well. If everything, everything is equal, then go for position, handedness, etc, but if you let it influence you before that point, you’ll end up looking like an idiot more often.

  88. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy,

    I also asked that question back in December when the Sabres rolled through town.
    Most posters here just laughed at me and said Nurse was the better choice.

  89. Pouzar says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Woodguy,

    I also asked that question back in December when the Sabres rolled through town.
    Most posters here just laughed at me and said Nurse was the better choice.

    Yeah that’s what they did.

    Can we give this a few years? Sheesh.

  90. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Pouzar: Can we give this a few years? Sheesh.

    How bout we give it 5 years from their draft?

  91. sliderule says:

    OF17,

    That is true but Faulk was the better prospect .

    Played well in u18 s etc while Pitlick was playing for a secondary NCAA school .

  92. Loyal2theoil says:

    OTO,

    Davidson is from Halls draft, while Nuge is 22, Davy 24.

    Nuge has time to put on some weight, being he is a little taller than Ebs. Eberle is 25 and below 200 pounds.

  93. stush18 says:

    Woodguy:
    Nice piece on Rasmus Ritsolainen by Yeardon: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=797907&navid=nhl:topheads

    .67pts/gm this year.

    6’4: 207 RHD with a hammer of shot on the PP.

    Playing toughest comp with Gorges.

    Getting buried a bit like 21 year olds playing the toughs do, but he’s probably look really good playing 2nds.

    Taken one pick after Nurse.

    I like Nurse, but how would he fit on this team?

    I was pretty upset at the draft, because these two players were essentially equal. Difference is ristolainen shot right instead, and “appeared” to be more offensive than nurse.

    I still think he’s slightly ahead of nurse, and will turn out to be better. Nurse will be useful however.

  94. leadfarmer says:

    Centre of attention,

    Him able to bear weight means that the muscle or fascia is probably not involved. Hard to walk with myosotis and fasciitis, well hard to not be in a hospital technically but even if he’s at the tail end of the treatment it’s hard to walk. Poor guy, that’s a very Pitlickian injury.

  95. Lowetide says:

    stush18: I was pretty upset at the draft, because these two players were essentially equal. Difference is ristolainen shot right instead, and “appeared” to be more offensive than nurse.

    I still think he’s slightly ahead of nurse, and will turn out to be better. Nurse will be useful however.

    I like Ristolainen more than Nurse on draft day because his range of skills was pretty complete based on scouting reports
    http://lowetide.ca/2013/06/28/2013-entry-draft-post-23-the-final-30/

  96. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    C’mon guys!

    The best D from that draft was and is Morin. It’s fucking obvious.

  97. Lowetide says:

    Taylor Chorney scored a goal for WSH, his first since 2011 with EDM. When it comes to the draft, WAIT 10 YEARS!

  98. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Just to steer the Risto-Nurse debate in another direction because that’s not going to end well at this time and I want to save Pouzar vs. others on this one…

    Let’s assess again in a couple of years. Think the Oilers knew Nurse would take more time to develop than Risto. Risto has the early lead and that was predictable, but let’s see.

    As for the handedness, the Oilers were assuming Schultz would be their 1RD and puck-mover and thought Nurse would be the 1LD and bring the nasty. It made sense. Who knew Schultz would suck and the Oilers would trade away Petry for peanuts.

    Aaaaanyhow. Talked about Big Buff a lot. Recently talked Shattenkirk.

    Yandle will be a UFA. If it only costs money to get him, do you land him to replace Schultz and make a trade for Hamonic and call it a summer?

  99. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    I’m going to save myself the trouble: no, we don’t need any more LHD.

    But if he is an improvement and doesn’t cost us anything…it’s not perfect but it’s better?

    Sekera-Hamonic
    Yandle-Klefbom
    Nurse-Davidson
    Reinhart

    Yes, it’s as left-handed heavy as one of those crazy crabs on BBC “Planet Earth” but those things are pretty kick ass.

  100. Dr. Taboggan says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Seems reasonable. It really depends on the contract for Yandle. I think I would prefer Demers. RD and probably cheaper as he is less famous and puts up lower boxcars.

  101. Captain's Log says:

    Bank Shot,

    I think McDavid should be a big part of the PK next year. He is too smart and too fast not to use there. I could see him hit 3-5 SHG per year.

  102. frjohnk says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Just to steer the Risto-Nurse debate in another direction because that’s not going to end well at this time and I want to save Pouzar vs. others on this one…

    Let’s assess again in a couple of years. Think the Oilers knew Nurse would take more time to develop than Risto. Risto has the early lead and that was predictable, but let’s see.

    As for the handedness, the Oilers were assuming Schultz would be their 1RD and puck-mover and thought Nurse would be the 1LD and bring the nasty. It made sense. Who knew Schultz would suck and the Oilers would trade away Petry for peanuts.

    Aaaaanyhow. Talked about Big Buff a lot. Recently talked Shattenkirk.

    Yandle will be a UFA. If it only costs money to get him, do you land him to replace Schultz and make a trade for Hamonic and call it a summer?

    Ristolian might be in the conversation of best D man in the league in a couple of years.

    Nurse might be in the conversation of being a top pairing d man in a couple of years.

    Both are gonna be loved even more by their fans.

  103. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Crude futures trading down another 3% to 28.50 in early Asia trading. Equity markets open in 20 minutes. Should be interesting yet again with the US on holiday tomorrow and liquidity lacking.

  104. OF17 says:

    sliderule:
    OF17,

    That is true but Faulk was the better prospect .

    Played well in u18 s etc while Pitlick was playing for a secondary NCAA school .

    If you think he’s the better prospect, grab him. That’s legit. All I’m saying is that you have to go with the guy you think is better rather than the positional need.

    There are always prospects available in trade. Rychel, Reider, Erixon, Reinhart, and that’s just what immediately comes to mind. You can trade prospect-for-prospect after the fact, but you usually can’t trade a 5 for a jack after the fact.

  105. square_wheels says:

    Hiratij,

    Sweet, thanks !

  106. square_wheels says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Goligoski any better than Yandle ?

  107. Zelepukin says:

    sliderule: When Connor and Klefbom come back after the break the oil should go on a good run.

    If Klef comes back this season. No verbal at all, only rumours about it being a staph infection and he hasn’t skated in over a month. If he hasn’t hit the ice by McD’s return, effectively 2 months, then that’s a big worry.

  108. Zelepukin says:

    Captain’s Log:
    Bank Shot,

    I think McDavid should be a big part of the PK next year. He is too smart and too fast not to use there. I could see him hit 3-5 SHG per year.

    He should be a big part of it this year. It’s been so long that it’s easy to forget he is our fastest skater. Potentially even the fastest on acceleration in the league. How many times on the PK do you see one of our forwards gain possession and the potential for a fast break or 2-on-1 is quickly thrown out the window because you realise it’s Letestu or Hendricks with the biscuit.

  109. Professor Q says:

    Were not Horvat and Nichushkin also being discussed as possible, not just Nurse and Ristolainen?

    Horvat would have been a crazy selection (for me especially, being the rare Oilers fan in the family) – three of my uncles went down to New Jersey with Horvat’s dad for the draft. They had a blast.

  110. Bruce McCurdy says:

    square_wheels:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    NYC, are you stateside currently ? As usual I find something amazing but it’s blocked to Canadian IP’s.

    Last night on SNL Fred Armisen spoke briefly about Bowie’s 1979 performance on the show and they opened their extremely tight vault and put them all up on NBC.com. I set aside some time today to reflect on his brilliance and had looked forward to some HD live work only to be foiled by living in the wrong country.

    Anyhow, thought I should put it out there before it’s gone.

    Edit – found it up on YouTube. Weird, NBC are usually taking everything down.

    Link?

    I’ve been watching the Bowie retrospective on Much Music for about four hours straight now. Wonderful stuff.

  111. GCW_69 says:

    stush18: I was pretty upset at the draft, because these two players were essentially equal. Difference is ristolainen shot right instead, and “appeared” to be more offensive than nurse.

    I still think he’s slightly ahead of nurse, and will turn out to be better. Nurse will be useful however.

    I wanted the Russian, but if they were going to take a defender, I could not understand how a team with a tonne of left shot d prospects picks nurse over ristolainen. Even if you thought Nurse was slightly better, right shot defenders are rare enough you have to take the righty anyway.

    It’s called balance, something the Oilers know absolutely fucking nothing about.

  112. Woodguy says:

    stush18: I was pretty upset at the draft, because these two players were essentially equal. Difference is ristolainen shot right instead, and “appeared” to be more offensive than nurse.

    I still think he’s slightly ahead of nurse, and will turn out to be better. Nurse will be useful however.

    To be fair to MacT he had Petry and Norris as RHD in 2013 whereas the LHD were Smid, Nultz and the shadow of Whitney and not one on the roster has his truculence.

    Perhaps a lesson on drafting for need?

    To be clear, I like Nurse fine, but just thinking a large, RHD with PP hammer is exactly what the Oilers need today.

  113. Woodguy says:

    square_wheels:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Goligoski any better than Yandle ?

    Yeah, Goligoski has played the toughs for years with a positive RelCor.

    Yandle’s high water mark is 2nd pair and he’s seeing 3rd toughs this year again.

    Goligoski is a better all around player that you can put in any situation.

  114. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    C’mon guys!

    The best D from that draft was and is Morin. It’s fucking obvious.

    Thanks Homer!

  115. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy: Yeah, Goligoski has played the toughs for years with a positive RelCor.

    Yandle’s high water mark is 2nd pair and he’s seeing 3rd toughs this year again.

    Goligoski is a better all around player that you can put in any situation.

    Okay. I was trying to think out of the box. Goligoski a good option as well. I know neither is ideal, but if the prices are too dear for the RHD like Byfuglien, Shattenkirk and Hamonic, what else might be out there that costs far less (both in terms of assets and salary). That was my thought process.

    Don’t stop trying to improve the team just because the best solution isn’t available to you for a good price.

  116. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy: To be fair to MacT he had Petry and Norris as RHD in 2013 whereas the LHD were Smid, Nultz and the shadow of Whitney and not one on the roster has his truculence.

    Perhaps a lesson on drafting for need?

    To be clear, I like Nurse fine, but just thinking a large, RHD with PP hammer is exactly what the Oilers need today.

    That’s what I wrote, too. I was going to say “great minds” but maybe a more suitable explanation is “a couple of dinks think alike.”

  117. bassguy says:

    Hi LT!, thanks for the reminder of Jethro Tull!…I listened to this group quite a bit when I was in high school..absolutely loved aqualung…I can remember trying to figure out the lyrics to thick as a brick but I think I might have smoking too much hash!,..haha….ah yes, those days of yore…I know they played a double bill at the kinsmen field house with the Eagles ..probably around 1972 or 1973… That was quite the show I guess even given the terrible acoustics in that barn

  118. Lowetide says:

    bassguy:
    Hi LT!, thanks for the reminder of Jethro Tull!…I listened to this group quite a bit when I was in high school..absolutely loved aqualung…I can remember trying to figure out the lyrics to thick as a brick but I think I might have smoking too much hash!,..haha….ah yes, those days of yore…I know they played a double bill at the kinsmen field house with the Eagles ..probably around 1972 or 1973… That was quite the show I guess even given the terrible acoustics in that barn

    Always likedTull, but remember people thumbing their noses back in the day. Extremely original band.

  119. Centre of attention says:

    Interesting. Chiarelli mentioned Tim Thomas when talking about signing Cam.

    Intriguing comparison.

    Chiarelli seemed pretty confident in the little media avail on the Oilers website

  120. Tire Fire says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Ha ha. Talk about putting the cart before the horse. Let’s get to the playoffs before we talk Cup. At least in Boston he was handing out his NMCs after they won something.

    I get it…no one wanted to sign in Edmonton because this team sucks. But McDavid should change things. Chia should have better leverage. He himself signed here because of McDavid. So he should know this.

    Just keep an eye on this for down the road. It could be come a problem. I don’t think I am off base in pointing that out, but I seem to be alone in this line of thinking.

    Not alone. I’m also concerned about this.

    It’s still a awfully low alarm bell for me, but not getting a good deal on this contract is an arrow, to borrow an LT-ism.

  121. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: That’s what I wrote, too. I was going to say “great minds” but maybe a more suitable explanation is “a couple of dinks think alike.”

    The latter for sure.

  122. limit says:

    Woodguy,

    Ahh okay thanks for clarification – I didn’t realize those numbers were save pcts (I thought it was some analysis of goalie spend vs points in standings)

  123. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy: To be clear, I like Nurse fine, but just thinking a large, RHD with PP hammer is exactly what the Oilers need today.

    When exactly will the Oilers NOT need a large, RHD with a PP hammer???

  124. Gerta Rauss says:

    Chia on Talbot

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/podcastplayer.htm?pid=98&iid=53657


    He’s a good kid, he works hard, he figured out, along with our goaltending coach,
    that he was seeing different types of shots from us, versus the Rangers.

    He worked through it, he made adjustments, and he’s been rock solid

  125. Oilspill says:

    Gryba won’t be here for less than 2.3. Schenn McQuaid etc

    Gordies Elbow:
    Hall – Draisaitl – Eberle
    Pouliot – McDavid – Yakupov
    Khaira – Hopkins – Kassian
    Hendricks – Letestu – Korpikowski
    Lander

    Klefbom – Sekera
    Nurse – Fayne
    Davidson – Reinhart
    Gryba

    Talbot
    Brossoit

    Salaries: $58,847,832
    Bonuses (Max):$8,525,000
    Buyout: $1,083,333

    Cap (flat, same as this year):$71,400,000
    Bonus Cushion (7.5% of cap): $5,355,000

    Cap Space: $(11,468,835)
    Cap Space assuming all bonuses hit:$(2,943,835)
    Maximum Allowable to Spend: $(16,823,835)

    Assuming:– Gryba from $1,250,000 to $1,500,000– Kassian from $1,750,000 to $2,000,000– Davidson from $585,000 to $1,000,000– Brossoit from $659,166 to $800,000– Buyout of Ference at $1,083,333– Purcell, Klinkhammer, Pakarinen, Gazdic, Schultz, Nilsson not resigned.

    Playoff team?

  126. AsiaOil says:

    I’m fine with Gryba on the 3rd pair for under $2 million for a couple of years. If he demands more then deal him at the deadline for assets that you can use at the draft to get as good or better.

    Oilspill:
    Gryba won’t be here for less than 2.3. Schenn McQuaid etc

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