HARD TARGET SEARCH: SAMI VATANEN

Peter Chiarelli should have a busy five weeks leading up to the trade deadline. He could sign some impending free agents (Teddy Purcell, Eric Gryba) or trade them, and no doubt will attempt to shed some salary to create more room to wheel during the big summer ahead.

One area we could see some action at this deadline? Defensemen who are under control being dealt by contending teams. I had a chance to talk to Pierre Lebrun today, and brought up the name Sami Vatanen as a possible option for the Oilers.

  • Lebrun: “Part of what’s made this a situation of abundance is the continued really solid play of a young Josh Manson, who’s become  a really reliable guy. And then Shea Theodore has come up and it looks like he should be there to stay.”
  • More Lebrun: “So they’ve got too many defensemen once they’re healthy. So you’re right, that’s where Anaheim could make a deal from a position of strength. Hardly any team in the league is too deep on defense. You almost never see it. So they would be in a rare position where they could do that. And maybe that’s where they try to help themselves and add some offense between now and the deadline, is by dealing one of their D away.”
  • Still more Lebrun: “That is potentially possibly for sure. And if you’re Peter Chiarelli, for sure you’ve got to be looking into that because that’s got to be a priority for Edmonton, from between now and training camp next fall.”
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When Lebrun talks about Manson, he’s not kidding. Terrific line for the young defender, not much to criticize there. For our purposes, beyond staring slack-jawed at these totals the big item is the RH fellow Vatanen. A strong offensive option at 5×5 and the power play, a capable player in possession and, most important, he could shake loose because of the exceptional depth.

What would it cost? I suspect it would be a scorer based on the Ducks current needs, so fashion your trade ideas accordingly. The key here is to ask ourselves how often these players come available, and if Vatanen qualifies as a perfect fit, then it needs consideration.

VATANEN WOWY

VATANEN WOWY

One thing I did notice over at HockeyAnaylsis.com? Lots of Ducks are better without than with, although everyone is over 50 percent and singing, dancing and laughing. He is 24, righthanded, RFA this summer an makes $1.262M with a slightly higher cap hit. He is 5.10, 180 and has 169 games of NHL experience.

  • Sami Vatanen per 82 NHL games: 13-27-40
  • Justin Schultz per 82 NHL games: 10-24-34

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Vatanen is an interesting option. Edmonton fans have been discussing Travis Hamonic as a solution, but he lacks the power-play element. Vatanen covers the offense, but is not a big man and his defensive ability doesn’t involve being physical. Ideally, you get both. Do you have a preference?

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  1. Raider Jesse says:

    I’m a really big fan of Vatanen. I’d try hard to acquire him. I don’t know what the cost is tho. More than Yak, less than Eberle. Less than our 1st, more than our 2nd.

    I suspect Vatanen is the odd man out of the group of him and Fowler, given the whole high picked American vs a low round Finn.

  2. AsiaOil says:

    Just like with Shats – I could see him on a 2nd pair with Reinhart if GR’s play for the rest of the year looks more like the last game then the first few. Let Klef and Sekera take the toughs – and let Nurse complete his apprenticeship protected on the 3rd pair.

    Question – if you can get Vatanen for a forward – would you trade Klef for Hamonic as a hockey trade that gives us more balance down the road?

    Sekera – Hamonic
    Reinhart – Vatanen
    Nurse – Davidson – Gryba

  3. Lowetide says:

    Raider Jesse:
    I’m a really big fan of Vatanen.I’d try hard to acquire him.I don’t know what the cost is tho.More than Yak, less than Eberle.Less than our 1st, more than our 2nd.

    I suspect Vatanen is the odd man out of the group of him and Fowler, given the whole high picked American vs a low round Finn.

    Yeah, I deliberately omitted any suggestions because it is a tough trade. Edmonton might be better able to fetch what they want and then trade it.

  4. Dicky94 says:

    Raider Jesse,

    I was thinking the same thing. What about Purcell ,if the Oilers were able to sign him to a reasonable contract and a 2nd? It’s a tough one because if you could sign Teddy to a cheap contract I think you keep him.

  5. Rondo says:

    HockeyProspect.com’s Mark Edwards commented on this year’s draft.

    While Edwards thinks there are some very talented players available, he had some thoughts on the draft overall. “I think it’s lacking the depth we’ve seen in some other drafts. I especially notice it in the second round. There are some solid players but when we look around the various leagues as a staff, we feel it’s a down year for depth just about everywhere. A lot of the top Euros are playing in the CHL, so we think it’s a weaker group depth wise overseas as well.”

    http://www.hockeyprospect.com/2016-nhl-draft-hockeyprospect-com-january-top-60/

  6. BONVIE says:

    Tyler Myer is my first preference, followed by Burns and Hamonic. We have an awesome core of young D who need to play: Davidson, Klefbom, Reinhart, and Nurse. Sekera is the only other Defenseman that has experience and a veteran and might be in this groups calibre. We need to add one top pair Dman who is experienced and with NHL size. Its important that we have these 4 guys play in our lineup.

    We have a solid puck moving d that lacks size that we can bring in once these 4 have gained experience and that is Osterle, although Brad Hunt is a detriment to him in the AHL gobbling up his PP time. Vatanen is relatively inexperience and cannot shelter our young core. He would look terrible on this team, because he isnt’t actually any better than our core of Davey, Klef, Rheinhart, and Nurse we need a veteran who will be able to provide some shade for these young guys.

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  8. Quinlan says:

    I’ve always liked Vatanen’s game, very creative and assertive with the puck, strong skater, smart defender. More along the lines of a Sekera in his style than a Schultz. Tends to be high-event but plays the risk-reward game reasonably well.

    I like him… especially considering the cap difference, I’d rather him than Schultz.

    That said, I’d wait to see if his value will come down, if opportunities are going to be given to Manson and Theodore instead.

  9. Psyche says:

    With Anaheim in a good position to earn a playoff spot I think they’d look for a Pouliot or Purcell type of player. I’m not sure they’d see the value in a younger player like Yakupov.

    Purcell can play in their top 6, but is another RH shot on a team loaded with them (Anaheim). Plus he’s UFA at seasons end – may need to add a draft pick.

    Pouliot might be a better fit on the Ducks’ left side, but it depends how they view the remaining 3 yrs x $4 million. It also brings to question which of the two players Edmonton prefers to keep: Pou or Pur?

  10. AsiaOil says:

    ANA depth looks like crap this year. Cogs, Maroon and Silferberg are $9 million in cap that is a COMBINED 11-26-37 -26

    That’s a problem.

    Looks like they need cheap 2nd line scoring – sounds like Yak to me. Could be a match but would have to think about it. I like Yaks salary, shot and determination – but maybe I like an offensive 2nd pair defenseman better.

  11. oliveoilers says:

    Anybody remember the last young d man we got from the ducks?

    Asking for a friend.

  12. GCW_69 says:

    BONVIE:
    Tyler Myer is my first preference, followed by Burns and Hamonic. We have an awesome core of young D who need to play: Davidson, Klefbom, Reinhart, and Nurse. Sekera is the only other Defenseman that has experience and a veteran and might be in this groups calibre. We need to add one top pair Dman who is experienced and with NHL size.Its important that we have these 4 guys play in our lineup.

    We have a solid puck moving d that lacks size that we can bring in once these 4 have gained experience and that is Osterle, although Brad Hunt is a detriment to him in the AHL gobbling up his PP time. Vatanen is relatively inexperience and cannot shelter our young core. He would look terrible on this team, because he isnt’t actually any better than our core of Davey, Klef, Rheinhart, and Nurse we need a veteran who will be able to provide some shade for these young guys.

    I would love to get Myers but unless Winnipeg goes all in on Big Buf, I don’t see him shaking loose.

  13. Centre of attention says:

    I like the thought of Vatanen, but heres my problem with bringing in a RH pure puck-mover with little defensive acumen.

    We have OODLES of Left-Shot puck movers [Davidson, Nurse, Klefbom, Reinhart to some extent] and we might be better serviced by some more stay-at-home RHD. Hamonic fits perfectly into this picture and an argument could be made to keep Fayne around for awhile too.

    I see things like this:

    Klefbom-Hamonic
    Sekera-Fayne
    Davidson-Gryba

    K-bomb, Sekera, should get PP minutes and Hamonic will eat up the left overs.

    Nurse and Reinhart would be on the outside looking in, which is not really a bad thing.

    My 2 cents.

  14. G Money says:

    Player dashboard for the Ducks:

    http://i.imgur.com/hgVNA68.png

    Gives some nice possession context for Vatanen (good player) relative to Lindholm (wow) and Manson (impressive).

  15. Psyche says:

    I’m curious if Chia and McL are targeting a younger addition (sub 200 GP) or an experienced D-man (250+ GP)?

  16. BONVIE says:

    GCW_69: I would love to get Myers but unless Winnipeg goes all in on Big Buf, I don’t see him shaking loose.

    Your absolutely right on this, and what they decide to do also has an effect on the Hamonic situation as well.

  17. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Centre of attention,

    I was thinking the exact opposite. Who plays PP on the backend?

    Reinhart-Vatanen might be a nice pair, OFD with DFD.

  18. Gerta Rauss says:

    Centre of attention,

    I think if the OIlers are serious about being a competitive team next year, they need a Hamonic AND a Vatanen/Shatterkirk

    I don’t see them being able to acquire a “true #1”, and acquiring (2 of) that next tier of D that is available is the play

    That means trading/walking Schultz and Fayne might be playing on your 3rd pair making $3.6M. It’s not going to be easy managing the cap but that’s Chia’s task this summer imo

  19. Raider Jesse says:

    AsiaOil

    I absolutely do not trade Klefbom for Hamonic. Nurse maybe not Klefbom. Unpopular opinion on trading Nurse I know.

  20. Centre of attention says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Centre of attention,

    I was thinking the exact opposite. Who plays PP on the backend?

    Reinhart-Vatanen might be a nice pair, OFD with DFD.

    Would that be your third pair? What would your whole D core look like?

    I suggested that K-Bomb and Sekera would be doing majority of the PP time in my set up, the point shot doesn’t have to be RH.

  21. Centre of attention says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Centre of attention,

    I think if the OIlers are serious about being a competitive team next year, they need a Hamonic AND a Vatanen/Shatterkirk

    I don’t see them being able to acquire a “true #1”,and acquiring (2 of) that next tier of D that is available is the play

    That means trading/walking Schultz and Fayne might be playing on your 3rd pair making $3.6M. It’s not going to be easy managing the cap but that’s Chia’s task this summer imo

    I think the D core I suggested is very competitive.

    I think your forgetting just how good Klefbom really is.

    I highly doubt that Peter will be able to bring in two defenseman this summer. If he can bring in both Hamonic AND Vatanen? Music.

    If I was forced to choose one or the other, I take Hamonic. Every time. For the reasons listed in my other post. (More experience, can play all situations, etc)

  22. Raider Jesse says:

    If we added Vatanen and Hamonic to Sekera and Klefbom I am fine with that top 4. If we managed to add Shattenkirk instead of one of those two we’re in even better shape. He’s very very good.

    Then you have Reinhart/Nurse/Davidson where they belong next year. 5-7

  23. geowal says:

    oliveoilers,

    Always liked him. Better than the forward.

  24. AsiaOil says:

    Wow those guys seriously forgot to hit the snooze button and woke up 20 games late. Possession numbers clearly coming on all around but 2nd line offense still shy in spite of it. Is Yak for Vatenen a deal we make? Or they take? Not sure. Sure Purcell would be of interest – maybe even for their top line as he’s proven to be able to play with skill – but we’d have to add (Slepyshev?) and retain salary. Not sure if the mix is there – Yak for Vatenen straight up seems “cleaner” and less complicated.

    G Money:
    Player dashboard for the Ducks:

    http://i.imgur.com/hgVNA68.png

    Gives some nice possession context for Vatanen (good player) relative to Lindholm (wow) and Manson (impressive).

  25. Oilspill says:

    Really? These are targeted players.

    We are 3% for one and under 1% for both. Need to be realistic.

    P

    Gerta Rauss:
    Centre of attention,

    I think if the OIlers are serious about being a competitive team next year, they need a Hamonic AND a Vatanen/Shatterkirk

    I don’t see them being able to acquire a “true #1”,and acquiring (2 of) that next tier of D that is available is the play

    That means trading/walking Schultz and Fayne might be playing on your 3rd pair making $3.6M. It’s not going to be easy managing the cap but that’s Chia’s task this summer imo

  26. BONE207 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Centre of attention,

    I was thinking the exact opposite. Who plays PP on the backend?

    Reinhart-Vatanen might be a nice pair, OFD with DFD.

    Ok…I like Vatanen but only if he’s wearing an Iron Man suit. 180lbs and because Oilers.

  27. J-Bo says:

    Psyche:
    With Anaheim in a good position to earn a playoff spot I think they’d look for a Pouliot or Purcell type of player. I’m not sure they’d see the value in a younger player like Yakupov.

    Purcell can play in their top 6, but is another RH shot on a team loaded with them (Anaheim). Plus he’s UFA at seasons end – may need to add a draft pick.

    Pouliot might be a better fit on the Ducks’ left side, but it depends how they view the remaining 3 yrs x $4 million. It also brings to question which of the two players Edmonton prefers to keep: Pou or Pur?

    I agree that Pouliot makes sense here. If that were the cost, Edmonton could trade Schultz for picks at the deadline (or walk him in the summer) and still pursue another defenseman. Vatanen is not the final solution to the blueline in my opinion, but would be a great addition. I think we would still need to add one more, delete one of LT’s favs, trade one of our LH defenders in the process, and push a few folks down:

    Sekera – Hamonic
    Klefbom – Vatanen
    Nurse – Davidson
    Gryba

    Good? Bad? Ugly?

  28. Gerta Rauss says:

    Centre of attention,

    If I had to choose one D this summer it would also be Hamonic. I just don’t think it’s enough.

    They need what Hamonic brings AND a D that can run a PP

    Big fan of Kbomb and Sekera, but neither of them are especially adept at running a PP (at least we haven’t seen it consistently this year)

    It’s not going to be easy, but that’s what Chia is tasked with imo

  29. AsiaOil says:

    Yeah that’s nice – what would it cost?

    Yak to ANA and then Fayne and #1 pick to NYI?

    If we are trying to add 2 dmen we will likely need to get one deal done at the deadline and the other at the draft. Not counting on UFA for much this year.

    Raider Jesse:
    If we added Vatanen and Hamonic to Sekera and Klefbom I am fine with that top 4.If we managed to add Shattenkirk instead of one of those two we’re in even better shape.He’s very very good.

    Then you have Reinhart/Nurse/Davidson where they belong next year. 5-7

  30. J-Bo says:

    Raider Jesse,

    Raider Jesse:
    If we added Vatanen and Hamonic to Sekera and Klefbom I am fine with that top 4.If we managed to add Shattenkirk instead of one of those two we’re in even better shape.He’s very very good.

    Then you have Reinhart/Nurse/Davidson where they belong next year. 5-7

    Oops, hadn’t read this! Agreed! I’m definitely happy with keeping Reinhart instead of Gryba. It just leaves us with so many LHanders. 🙂

  31. Gerta Rauss says:

    Oilspill: Need to be realistic

    I don’t feel that acquiring 2 D this summer is unrealistic

  32. Centre of attention says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Centre of attention,

    If I had to choose one D this summer it would also be Hamonic. I just don’t think it’s enough.

    They need what Hamonic brings AND a D that can run a PP

    Big fan of Kbomb and Sekera, but neither of them are especially adept at running a PP (at least we haven’t seen it consistently this year)

    It’s not going to be easy, but that’s what Chia is tasked with imo

    K-bomb was running the show earlier in the year when the Oilers had a ~20% power play.

    He is fine, and will only get better with time.

    I agree, I would love to add both but I doubt that is reality. Especially because the ducks would be asking for something ridiculous like Nurse because its in-division.

  33. who says:

    BONVIE,

    Agreed, Myers would be my first choice followed by Hamonic but Winnipeg has to sign Bufgylin for this to even be a remote possibility. Not sure about Vatanen, like his offence, not sure he can defend. Watching Islanders game tonight, Hamonic looks pretty good.

  34. haters says:

    Sami coming here is as likely as Hamilton coming here, I think after the Shultz incident the ducks would prefer to deal with all other teams before consummating a deal with Edmonton.

    Could be wrong

  35. GCW_69 says:

    Raider Jesse:
    If we added Vatanen and Hamonic to Sekera and Klefbom I am fine with that top 4.If we managed to add Shattenkirk instead of one of those two we’re in even better shape.He’s very very good.

    Then you have Reinhart/Nurse/Davidson where they belong next year. 5-7

    I would love to get Shattenkirk, but can you see a New Yorker agreeing to an extension with this loser organization? When the Oilers start winning, you may get the Shattenkirks, but now, I just don’t see it.

  36. Bad Seed says:

    haters,

    If the deal’s the right one for Anaheim, they make it. Ancient history and we have a different regime.

  37. Bad Seed says:

    GCW_69,

    What happened to all the rhetoric about players wanting to come here because we have the next one in McDavid? Wasn’t that long ago (months) that it was being talked up that way.

  38. AsiaOil says:

    I’m open to just picking up just one RHD between now and training camp and leaving open the potential for ONE of Reinhart/Nurse/Davidson to be able manage 2nd pair minutes next year. Any one of Hamonic. Vatenen or Shats could fill that role – but it would mean Sekera has to switch over to RHD full time. I’m not counting on any one of the kids to be able to play 2nd pair – that’s a total Oiler move – but betting that one of the three might be able to manage it seems a lot more reasonable.

    Hamonic would be nice as he could carry top pair with Klef – and Sekera could slide down to 2nd pair RHD with one of the kids. That pushes everyone down. Vatenen or Shats would need to be sheltered to a small degree on the 2nd pair and Sekera would have to play “off-hand” against the toughest opposition on the top pair which is not ideal. But bringing in Hamonic leaves us a bit shy on offense in the top four no matter which way you slice it.

    No perfect solution – Hamonic makes us better defensively – while Shats and Vatenen gives us more offense. But if you look at goals for/against – we are already one of the better goal scoring teams – and one of the worst at defending (games played effects recognized). I think this might suggest that a Hamonic type on the top pair would make more of an impact by limited goals against which is more problematic right now.

    I’m all for getting 2 guys if possible – but that’s going to be tough (and expensive) and it may create cap problems and block one of the young guys as soon as next season. Really need to see what Reinhart can bring for the rest of the season. If last game is what he can bring most nights – that makes life one hell of a lot easier as that level of play of totally adequate for a 2nd pair dman.

  39. Bank Shot says:

    I don’t think you are getting Vatanen for Purcell, Yak, or Pouliot. There’s a reason all Oilers fans see them as expendable.

    I’m not sure that the Ducks would want to trade their 40ish point top four D-man for a 40ish point winger without a big sweetener.

    I’m not sure the Ducks even move Vatanen to clear their logjam. He’s their highest scoring defenseman. Perhaps they move on from Despres instead. It would be interesting to hear who Ducks fans think will be moved. In reality the Ducks don’t really have to move any D this offseason, and probably won’t unless they feel they win the trade.

    If the Oilers could get Vatanen, he’d be better than Schultz for sure so the team would get better no question.

    I still believe the Oilers need to aim a little higher and a little older as well. Not every acquisition needs to be under the age of 25. It’d be nice to have a couple of more veteran blueliners that can hold things steady.

    Vatanen would be a good consolation prize if the Oilers miss out on the Shattenkirks and Yandles. I think the Oilers have to offer something that hurts more however.

  40. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Adding Vatanen and Hamonic before the start of next season while giving up some combination of Yak, Eberle, the 1st, Purcell, Poo, would be fantastic. Would even consider moving RNH for Hamonic if there is a C coming back. Like Hamonic & Strome for RNH & Fayne/Schultz or something less expensive.

  41. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Bank Shot,

    Advantage of adding Hamonic and/or Vatanen is they would be much cheaper against the cap. Shat you have to resign in a year at around 7M. Yandle will likely get 4.5+. Hamonic is 3.8 for years and Vatanen is an RFA.

  42. oliveoilers says:

    geowal:
    oliveoilers,

    Always liked him. Better than the forward.

    The one after Smid.

    Schlutz.

  43. flyfish1168 says:

    Best 30 seconds of the evening. Turn on TV to Phlegm game Benn scores 21 seconds later Spezza scores. Where are the F***n Phlegm trollers tonight.

  44. hunter1909 says:

    Colton Teubert was advertised as being the prototypical big, bruising defenceman the Oilers needed.

    How did that work out?

    Seems defencemen traded away by rival GM’s might not be as advertised.

  45. anonymous says:

    haters:
    Sami coming here is as likely as Hamilton coming here, I think after the Shultz incident the ducks would prefer to deal with all other teams before consummating a deal with Edmonton.

    Could be wrong

    Don’t see how they’d blame the Oilers on this one? They didn’t convince Shultz to walk away.

  46. Bank Shot says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Bank Shot,

    Advantage of adding Hamonic and/or Vatanen is they would be much cheaper against the cap. Shat you have to resign in a year at around 7M. Yandle will likely get 4.5+. Hamonic is 3.8 for years and Vatanen is an RFA.

    I’m all onboard with Hamonic. They want a D-man supposedly. Do the Oilers have one that they can spare? I’d offer Davidson tomorrow. I doubt the Islanders view that as an acceptable return. Nurse for Hamonic is slightly risky and it seems like an overpayment given the situation NYI is in.

    I tend to think that “closer to home” means Winnipeg and only Winnipeg as well so I’m more or less waiting for that shoe to drop in the offseason.

    Shatt is better than Vatanen so I’d be willing to see him get more money. If the Blues think they can’t resign him, he will probably come at a discount in terms of assets compared to Vatanen.

    Yandle would just cost money. That’s the best case scenario. Improve the team without subtracting elsewhere.

  47. Centre of attention says:

    flyfish1168:
    Best 30 seconds of the evening. Turn on TV to Phlegm game Benn scores 21 seconds later Spezza scores. Where are the F***n Phlegm trollers tonight.

    I’m cheering for hemsky right now and I don’t feel guilty at all.

  48. leadfarmer says:

    I would be ecstatic if we started next season with
    Sekera Hamonic
    Klefbom Vatanen
    Nurse Davidson
    Reinhart

    The crazy thing is this defense is significantly cheaper than this years roster

  49. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Bank Shot,

    They want a Dman if they were to trade Hamonic in season as they are competing for a cup this year. In the offseason they might be more inclined to accept the Oilers 1st round pick and then sign Buff or whoever.

    I like the idea of signing players but then you run into potential cap problems. You never get UFA Dmen at a discount. See Sekera.

  50. HeavySig says:

    anonymous: Don’t see how they’d blame the Oilers on this one?They didn’t convince Shultz to walk away.

    There were a lot of rumblings about the Oilers tampering at the time.

  51. OilClog says:

    Klef/XXX
    Sekera/Davidson
    Reinhart/Nurse
    Gryba

    That’s the future.

    Hamonic is going to cost the moon.

    Buff is just money.

    XXX doesn’t have to be here past two years to be possible replace through development.

    Shat will not cost the moon.. Just ever precious draft picks/prospects… The tragedy.

    This group can have a season with a top defender from another squad and see how they respond with a further develop coaching regime yadda yadda.

    Vattie Finn is a sideways move.

    Hamonic is an expensive probably to our hearts move.

    Shat is futures.

    Buff is money.

    I’m not trading a forward to the ducks. Fuck the ducks.

  52. dustrock says:

    Nashville has literally double the points from D.

    Oilers are dead last in the league. Again. Hamonic is a great D but he’s not going to help this problem.

    Klefbom, Sekera and Nurse are not going to help this problem.

    Gonna have to pay dearly to get some offensive D, one way or the other.

  53. who says:

    OilClog,

    That’s exactly the way I see the d next year except I think it will be Fayne not Gryba. It will be interesting to see what they do this summer. Are you suggesting Shattenkirk should be their first target?

  54. leadfarmer says:

    If we are serious about contending next year then we need something like
    Goligoski Buff
    Sekera Kbomb
    Nurse. Davidson
    Reinhart

  55. leadfarmer says:

    Arizona with 6 shots on goal after two against the wild

  56. Dr. Taboggan says:

    leadfarmer,

    I agree that Goligoski and Buff would be a decent top pair that costs no assets. Although I cringe when thinking about those contracts. Goligoski probably gets a contract similar to Sekera? If not more. Buff probably gets between 6-7M.

  57. BONVIE says:

    dustrock:
    Nashville has literally double the points from D.

    Oilers are dead last in the league. Again. Hamonic is a great D but he’s not going to help this problem.

    Klefbom, Sekera and Nurse are not going to help this problem.

    Gonna have to pay dearly to get some offensive D, one way or the other.

    I strongly disagree with Nurse and Klefbom not being able to provide offense. The first part about being a defenseman is playing defense, if we had capable partners to pair with these guys to ensure that tge first part was taken care of both men can create offense especially Nurse that guy can rush the puck. Nashville uses Dmen on their PP as well in case you never noticed we dont we use Shultz and Hunt and four forwards.

  58. leadfarmer says:

    Dr. Taboggan,

    Or for the low low price of Nikitin, Schultz, Fayne, Ference on short term overpays. Actually they may not cost quite as much

  59. Really? says:

    Vatanen would be a solid addition both from a defensive and offensive perspective. He would not be the solution but would help achieve it.

    Even if the Oilers added Vatanen, they would still have to add a similar or higher calibre D man if they expect to be competitive next year. That could be a Hamonic, a Shattenkirk, a Spurgeon and perhaps even a Beaulieu.

    Beaulieu could perhaps be instead of Vatanen. Would he be of equal value to Yakupov?

  60. leadfarmer says:

    BONVIE,

    Nurse is drowning defensively and is cheating for defense. Doesn’t get involved much in offense. He’s got the tools but they are scattered around the shed. He needs time and hopefully Ahl games with tons of pp time to work on it.

    Klefbom will chip in a point here and there but I would not expect someone that posts a ton of points.

  61. BONVIE says:

    Really?:
    Vatanen would be a solid addition both from a defensive and offensive perspective. He would not be the solution but would help achieve it.

    Even if the Oilers added Vatanen, they would still have to add a similar or higher calibre D man if they expect to be competitive next year. That could be a Hamonic, a Shattenkirk, a Spurgeon and perhaps even a Beaulieu.

    Beaulieu could perhaps be instead of Vatanen. Would he be of equal value to Yakupov?

    Vatanen only prevents us from continuing to develope all of our young defenseman Klefbom, Nurse, Reinhart, and Davidson we need another guy to pair up with one of these guys and play the top pair, and give them a chance to develop. Vatanen is one of their peers, not an experienced D partner that will push these guys to the next level, but rather another Dman that requires sheltering.

  62. BONVIE says:

    That is my point about Nurse he is not boxing out and identifying the proper man to cover, and even if he does he is not actually physically eleminating the stick or player, he often is caught on the wrong side of the attacker and not eliminating the pass. If Nurse was able to get Shelter playing 3rd pair with a decent Dman he could grow the offensive side of his game, but right now he is keeping it simple amd he doesn’t have the veteran D partner to keep him afloat during the stormy shifts.

  63. Dr. Taboggan says:

    leadfarmer,

    No way Goligoski or Buff sign in Edmonton on short term deals. They are both over 30. Agents will be pushing for term. At minimum you would have to sign them to 4 years. Likely at around 7M a year each. Maybe it is worth it. It would be a lot of money for aging player. But I guess the Oilers have limited options.

  64. Genjutsu says:

    If they could somehow add Hamonic and the Finn that could fix a ton of problems.

    Adding enough D depth that Griff starts the season in the AHL would fine to me. Have a D on the farm that when injuries happen isn’t a major liability.

    This could mean a bunch more points.

    As a side bonus Oil and Katz save cap room and cash.

    Probably result in significant value contract during McDavid’s ELC ‘s final year and beyond.

  65. flyfish1168 says:

    Yahoo you can put it in the book. phlegms lose AGAIN

  66. flyfish1168 says:

    Centre of attention: I’m cheering for hemsky right now and I don’t feel guilty at all.

    Still one of my favorite Oilers. He is easy to cheer for.

  67. Genjutsu says:

    I don’t think the Oilers should looking to replace Lander.

    They need upgrade his position.

    Having Lander as the 13/14 F would be a good thing.

  68. PunkInDrublic says:

    Ideally, you trade for Vatanen and flip him for Hamonic. Sign Buff in the summer.

    Trade proposals aren’t my thing, but Ebs to ANA for Vatanen + seems like a possibility. I don’t think Ebs has much more time on this team. He will be sent out long before Nuge.

  69. Bar_Qu says:

    Really?:
    Vatanen would be a solid addition both from a defensive and offensive perspective. He would not be the solution but would help achieve it.

    I have long argued for a D by committee (which I have no numbers to back up of course) but until a guy like Nurse is ready for top 2, adding a Vatanen, for Yak likely, would make a D corp of Klef, Sekera, Vat, Davidson, Nurse, Reinhart one that could rotate struggling D out for ones who are going well. True, no top guy, but several good competent alternates.

    I would prefer Hamonic, but I don’t know if it happens (or it would have happened already, imo).

  70. who says:

    Dr. Taboggan,
    If Bufgylin would sign in Edmonton for 4 years at 7 or even 8 million dollars I would do that deal. I think he wants 6 or 7 years at that money and that is not a good risk in my opinion. Would really screw up the Oilers cap in the last half of the deal.

  71. who says:

    Bar_Qu,

    That’s an interesting debate. Can a team win a cup without a true 1A dman. Lets say you put 4 guys together who would all be 2’s and 3’s on a good teams depth chart. It’s a reach but they might be 2 years away from achieving that with the players we have now. If I remember right Pittsburgh may have been the last team to do it.

  72. Bar_Qu says:

    Dr. Taboggan,

    who,

    Buff would be great. I don’t think he gets that money this summer. Too many teams too tight to the cap to hand out lots of cash. Next summer will be the island of lost toys for too many free agents who don’t read the market right. Guys asking for 8 likely won’t get it.

  73. ASkoreyko says:

    hunter1909:
    Colton Teubert was advertised as being the prototypical big, bruising defenceman the Oilers needed.

    How did that work out?

    Seems defencemen traded away by rival GM’s might not be as advertised.

    Or you could get Ryan McDonagh.

    There are risks and rewards involved with every trade. You just hope your side is a little smarter and has done some better homework.

    The trade for Reinhart based upon his Junior days does not bode that well for the Oilers on that point.

  74. Bar_Qu says:

    who,

    Yeah, 4 in the 2-3 range (Sekera, Klef, Vatanen, Davidson) plus 3 more in the 4-5 range (Nurse, etc). It gives the depth to handle some of the best lines, but to give no line easy sledding. Plus, if you have some good D depth it allows them to overcome injury to one of the top guys without losing ground too much.

    I think NJ did it more than once too, but I’m too tired to look into it tonight.

  75. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Trade Schultz to Anaheim.

  76. Ryan says:

    who:
    Bar_Qu,

    That’s an interesting debate. Can a team win a cup without a true 1A dman. Lets say you put 4 guys together who would all be 2’s and 3’s on a good teams depth chart. It’s a reach but they might be 2 years away from achieving that with the players we have now. If I remember right Pittsburgh may have been the last team to do it.

    Vancouver came pretty close to winning the cup with the d by committee approach until they ran out of dmen due to injury in 2011.

    Letang was pretty close to a 1a when Pittsburgh won the cup. They actually had a pretty good dcorps with Letang, Gonchar, Goligoski, Ryan Whitney, Orpik, and Scuderi.

  77. Water Fire says:

    who:
    Dr. Taboggan,If Bufgylin would sign in Edmonton for 4 years at 7 or even 8 million dollars I would do that deal. I think he wants 6 or 7 years at that money and that is not a good risk in my opinion. Would really screw up the Oilers cap in the last half of the deal.

    I think this is exactly what the Oilers are going to have to decide about.

    So assuming my wife is having patience for my hockey interweb exploits, I have been looking at a few stat sites trying to determine who this magic man is that is young and genius and Chiarelli is going to spot first.

    I’ve looked at points and goals and settled in P/60 as the best indicator of productivity, with an eye out for any ridiculous shooting percentages to spot hot streaks. This is a useful site for it for those interested but not aware of it:

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?disp=1&db=201516&sit=5v4&pos=defense&minutes=50&teamid=0&type=individual&sort=ipoints60&sortdir=DESC

    Looking at the list of top producers by time, it’s a whose who of offensive D. Nobody is openly availiable except James Tiberius Shattenkirk that is in the top 15.

    Looking at him and a few guys I would go after and can come up with a long shot trade idea that might pry them loose, the only younger player that isn’t being heavily sheltered is Ristolainen, who I like better than Nurse from draft day up to now. I use Hockey Abstract Player Usage charts.

    Looking down the PP/60 we get to some UFA vet types that would be cheapish, some that would be onerous to sign, and you know what? They are not producing any more than Schultz, and moreover are WORSE 5v5 and more sheltered to boot.

    WHAT ????

    I am not a Schultz supporter at all. I can see he has all of the skill he needs, but doesn’t satisfy on any eye ball level. The young guys like Vatanen and Shattenkirk have worse numbers on better teams and worse 5v5 Corsi comparables.

    I also agree with some comments here that the players we have can get the job done. The powerplay is mess, and I think paying through the nose for a brand name player won’t work, they will drop off because NHL hockey is so system dependent one guy isn’t going to fix the thing. He’ll get sucked into the vortex.

    Justin Freakin Schultz is blowing Vatenen’s doors off this year PP P/60, JS at 32nd and SV at 64th. The only UFA that won’t cost a fortune and is playing right now a strong two way game and contributing a good PP/60 (and also plays PK) is Jason Demers who shoots right.

    If I’m Chiarelli, unless I’m hoping Murray goes all Homgren and will trade for Ristolainen (and I can come up with deals that would benefit the Sabres in giving quality and depth and might work for the Oilers) my play is this:

    – Tell Schultz I want him, but not at 4M. Suggest the team has made him secure for life, so if he wants to stay in the fold he goes UFA and re-signs for 1.5-2 M, still a nice annual for a punk from fake Kelowna who hates weights (but not this summer). Still gets to eat lunch for free at Lowe’s place when taking X Box breaks if he’s in.

    – Get McLellan to guilt trip Demers into leaving Dallas and coming to a real hockey town with a better future. Dallas is great, until all those old guys holding it together fall too far.

    – If Snow is out of good options acquire Hamonic but not at a premium because Garth isn’t in the drivers seat, and he owes Pete one.

    I think the abilty of the current group with another addition will develop on PP with more time with the coaching staff. The problems go way back with guys like Petry that have great slappers, never using them. It a system thing, and like the 5v5 system it takes time to get going and the muscle memory to develop. The PP zone entries all already night and day.

    Reinhart, Klefbom, Davidson, Nurse, Yak, Pakarinen all possess hard shots and hockey skill. If the guys knew what they were doing strategically the shots would get set up and start coming more and better. The only alternative that is better would cost an arm and a leg and half a head in a UFA or a serious hockey trade.

    SFWOT (sorry for wall of text)

  78. Ryan says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Trade Schultz to Anaheim.

    I’m thinking maybe for a second rounder.

  79. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Ryan: Vancouver came pretty close to winning the cup with the d by committee approach until they ran out of dmen due to injury in 2011.

    Letang was pretty close to a 1a when Pittsburgh won the cup.They actually had a pretty good dcorps with Letang, Gonchar, Goligoski, Ryan Whitney, Orpik, and Scuderi.

    Letang was #5 in ATOI for Penguins defencemen those playoffs. He was still just 21.

  80. SwedishPoster says:

    On a completely different note. Has anyone mentioned how huge of a deal it is that Yak wore the pride tape during the skills comp. Considering what’s going on in Russia regarding the rights for and overall view on HBQT people and really anyone supporting them. It’s actually pretty gutsy. Good on him.

  81. Bruce McCurdy says:

    SwedishPoster:
    On a completely different note. Has anyone mentioned how huge of a deal it is that Yak wore the pride tape during the skills comp. Considering what’s going on in Russia regarding the rights for and overall view on HBQT people and really anyone supporting them. It’s actually pretty gutsy. Good on him.

    i had missed that detail. Thanks for pointing it out. Gutsy indeed.

  82. Ryan says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Letang was #5 in ATOI for Penguins defencemen those playoffs. He was still just 21.

    Hm. I’m going on the old eyeball recall. I wasn’t a stats nerd or Lowetider back then. He sure looked the part at the time.

  83. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Ryan: Hm.I’m going on the old eyeball recall.I wasn’t a stats nerd or Lowetider back then.He sure looked the part at the time.

    I looked in some detail at Stanley Cup winning defences a few years ago, with sporadic updates in years since. Letang was #5 by a whisker, playing 19:18 a night on a very democratic sextet of d-men. He was very very good but didnt get the tough minutes that went to guys like Hal Gill, Brooks Orpik & Rob Scuderi.

  84. jp says:

    Water Fire:

    Looking down the PP/60 we get to some UFA vet types that would be cheapish, some that would be onerous to sign, and you know what? They are not producing any more than Schultz, and moreover are WORSE 5v5 and more sheltered to boot.

    Huh. Tough to believe. Though all the coaches keep playing him.

  85. BONVIE says:

    I have found the lowdown with lowtide show, my life is now more complete its like the old John Short show, this is some really good stuff. I grew up in Northern Saskatchewan so I was eager to work the fields when the show was on cause the big tires of the tractor brought me crisp reception.

    Im listening right now to an older show from the 22nd with Paul Almedia really good stuff. No idea who this guy is but he seems to know his hockey.

    Its funny cause i seen the outline of the show so many times at the bottom of the blog here on this site but only ever seen a link to the show on Copper and Blue.

    Lowtide amazes me hes been writing daily blogs and articles so dilligently for so long about such an atrocious team. I mean his passion never wanes, Now i find this great radio show!

  86. RJ2016 says:

    Here’s a link of a statistical analysis of the Ducks defence this year:

    http://pucksofafeather.com/2016/01/25/anaheim-ducks-defense-what-the-statistics-say-and-whose-available/

    Here are some interesting quotes:

    1. Both Lindholm and Vatanen have been asked to take on a bigger role with Fowler out of the lineup. So what do Lindholm and Vatanen’s stats look like in Fowler’s 12 game absence?
    […]
    One has excelled in a bigger role, the other is Sami Vatanen.”

    2. “Vatanen was supposed to be the Ducks power play quarterback this season but his affect with the man advantage is not being felt either.”

    3. “Fowler and Vatanen have not made a huge impact on the Ducks from a statistical standpoint and I think Vatanen’s inability to consistently produce on the power play makes him expendable. Right now I think Fowler is the better option to keep. Financially, it makes sense. Fowler has two years left on his deal after this season at a very reasonable cap hit of $4 million. Vatanen needs a new deal this summer and I have a feeling that he and his agent may be greedy with their asking price.”

    Have a look at the fancy stats and make your own decision.

  87. Kmart99 says:

    Is it just me, or is the comments section over at ON permanently stuck at rock bottom?
    Yeesh.

  88. stevezie says:

    I think Hamonic is a significantly better defenceman than Vatanen, but Vatanen is the thing we do not have. I don’t think Klefbom is that far away from catching Hamonic; we don’t have anyone who can do what Sami does.

    Vatanen has really impressive even strength scoring. I was surprised Fowler and his notorious skating could be so ineffective at evens while being so good at the powerplay. He appears to be the inverse Schultz (when Shultz is at his best).

    Unrelated personal note: Robbie and I share a birthday. I am so full of Haggis and a little Lagavulin. Does veggie Haggis count as Haggis? I am full of something similar to haggis. Good day.

  89. anonymous says:

    HeavySig: There were a lot of rumblings about the Oilers tampering at the time.

    Really? I don’t remember tampering being mentioned at all. It was known Shultz wasn’t going to sign long before his rights expired with Anaheim.

  90. stevezie says:

    RJ2016,

    I certainly won’t argue with someone who closely follows the ducks as I do not.

    Looking at scoring.60, it appears Vatanen is a competent pp quarterback, on par with an aging Bieksa. It’s his even strength scoring that looks impressive.

    Plus, if he is disappointing the Ducks it might cost less than an arm and a leg to get him. I’d rather we get a sure thing but all options on the table at this point.

    I have fond memories of Greg Hawgood.

  91. OF17 says:

    One idea that’s been intriguing recently is trading Fayne + for James Wisniewski. Allows you to up the offense from the backend in a very real way, and if you go for Hamonic in addition, you can run Klefbom-Hamonic and Sekera-Wisniewski with Nurse, Reinhart, and Davidson fighting for minutes as the 5-7.

  92. GCW_69 says:

    Hey LT. I am still having major issues with your site running a script that completely consumes available memory if I view it on a laptop. Have you added a script recently or made changes that could be driving this? Problem occurs on IE and Chrome.

  93. theres oil in virginia says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Trade Schultz to Anaheim.

    He’d be a perfect fit there. Their fans already boo him.

  94. böök¡je says:

    GCW_69:
    Hey LT.I am still having major issues with your site running a script that completely consumes available memory if I view it on a laptop.Have you added a script recently or made changes that could be driving this?Problem occurs on IE and Chrome.

    Your computer probably is just running too hot. It probably just needs ventilation. Get a drill and drill a bunch of holes in it and that will probably fix it.

  95. stevezie says:

    OF17,

    Isn’t he out for the year?

  96. jp says:

    GCW_69:
    Hey LT.I am still having major issues with your site running a script that completely consumes available memory if I view it on a laptop.Have you added a script recently or made changes that could be driving this?Problem occurs on IE and Chrome.

    Similar sporadic issue for me using Firefox. I’d assumed it was some of the new ads (been happening for a number of months now).

    I tried Bookije’s suggestion, but don’t think it helped.

  97. theres oil in virginia says:

    böök¡je: Your computer probably is just running too hot.It probably just needs ventilation.Get a drill and drill a bunch of holes in it and that will probably fix it.

    Yep, make sure to drill them all the way through to get laminar airflow.

    ———-

    So, Barkov signs for 6 years by $5.9M per. He’s scored a total of 36 goals in 163 games. That makes certain Oilers contracts even better looking than they already were.

  98. Магия 10 says:

    jp: I tried Bookije’s suggestion, but don’t think it helped.

    There is still hope for you. Open the computer. You’ll be looking for one of the big square chips with the Intel logo. It needs at least 3 holes.

  99. Lowetide says:

    GCW_69:
    Hey LT.I am still having major issues with your site running a script that completely consumes available memory if I view it on a laptop.Have you added a script recently or made changes that could be driving this?Problem occurs on IE and Chrome.

    I haven’t changed a thing, you gents should always hope for that answer. 🙂 I run on FF and am fine.

  100. Lowetide says:

    Vatanen went 7-10-17 on the power play a year ago, how confident are we in sample size (above) in framing him as a poor option?

    Looked very good in 200 minutes last season
    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?db=201415&sit=PP&type=individual&teamid=1&pos=defense&minutes=50&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

    What is a reasonable line in the sand for a reasonable reflection? 200 minutes? Or the 84 from this year? My guess is we would need more track
    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?db=201516&sit=PP&type=individual&teamid=1&pos=defense&minutes=50&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

  101. Pajamah says:

    Магия 10: There is still hope for you. Open the computer. You’ll be looking for one of the big square chips with the Intel logo. It needs at least 3 holes.

    Ah, speed holes.

    What a perfectly cromulent solution.

  102. GCW_69 says:

    Bad Seed:
    GCW_69,

    What happened to all the rhetoric about players wanting to come here because we have the next one in McDavid?Wasn’t that long ago (months)that it was being talked up that way.

    Then this season happened. Chiarelli didn’t take full advantage of the window and he shortened it by icing a team that couldn’t make significant progress.

    He badly, badly misread the quality of the defence and instead of being able to go to market this summer with a trending team he has one even McDavid couldn’t save.

  103. GCW_69 says:

    jp: Similar sporadic issue for me using Firefox. I’d assumed it was some of the new ads (been happening for a number of months now).

    I tried Bookije’s suggestion, but don’t think it helped.

    Ok, so I am not the only one.

    Yeah, bookijes suggestion was compelling but my firm frowns on customizations so I took a pass. If it keeps up perhaps I will try cleaning it. I hear one glass of water poured on the keyboard can really change the way your laptop performs.

  104. PhrankLee says:

    Lowetide:
    Vatanen went 7-10-17 on the power play a year ago, how confident are we in sample size (above) in framing him as a poor option?

    Looked very good in 200 minutes last season
    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?db=201415&sit=PP&type=individual&teamid=1&pos=defense&minutes=50&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

    What is a reasonable line in the sand for a reasonable reflection? 200 minutes? Or the 84 from this year? My guess is we would need more track
    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?db=201516&sit=PP&type=individual&teamid=1&pos=defense&minutes=50&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

    We need more track to determine both good and bad.

    We are youth obsessed and I realize the appeal. We are in need of veteran help on the blue. Look at how Sekera has calmed down the top 4. One more vet D above him or parallel to him would push the kids down the depth chart 1 notch and that’s what we are missing.

    We have to stop feeling like 30 is the end. Just a couple years ago Hemsky turned 30 and was widely considered to be in his prime. He’s a 32 yr old playing 15 min/night. We could really use some vets.

    Especially on D.

  105. stevezie says:

    Lowetide,

    Times like these are when eyes-on reports have a lot of value.

    Just looking at the number I would say it looks like an uncertain asset. There’s plenty of cause for optimism, but I would want to pay uncertain asset prices.

    Even best case scenario I’d say someone his size is a very long shot indeed to ever become a top-pairing evens trength D. Which is fine, we need someone who can score, I just want to make sure we are paying the appropriate price. As much fun as it apparently is to throw around Eberle’s name, that is too much.

    On the other hand, paying less for uncertain assets is shrewd in its own way. it would be really nice to keep Eberle.

  106. stevezie says:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/marek-vs–wyshynski–hurricanes-coach-bill-peters–john-scott-drama-ends-225445328.html

    I enjoyed this interview with John Peters, if only because he’s Pat Quinn on the mike. The Green Bananas line is great, and his defence of using two defenceman on 3on3 is sound. Basically, most of his best skaters are defenceman. He’s not being conservative, he’s going for the goal.

    It’s a good take on the importance of what your position is on 3on3 (little to none) and he also has strong thoughts on having a good split of handed-defenceman. Interview starts at 37:00/

  107. Магия 10 says:

    GCW_69: Ok, so I am not the only one.

    Yeah, bookijes suggestion was compelling but my firm frowns on customizations so I took a pass.If it keeps up perhaps I will try cleaning it.I hear one glass of water poured on the keyboard can really change the way your laptop performs.

    Be sure to add some salt to the water first. Replacing electrolytes is important.

  108. russ99 says:

    I don’t see how Fayne is still here next year. He’s in the coach’s doghouse and has been a lot less effective in our zone. Plus his track record is such where other teams could be interested.

    I really don’t see him as a match with Sekera other than to move Klefbom down a pairing to give him easier sorties.

    That cap space can be re-used for someone better suited to our system.

    I’d rather keep Gryba if there was a choice between the two, since despite his obvious flaws, he still brings it every night.

  109. monsterbater says:

    I think it will require several moves between now and training camp, but i believe there is a way to get those 2 RHD we need to balance out this roster.

    For example:
    Come draft day that top 3 pick is going to be mighty juicy to several teams. Would that pick for shattenkirk and st. louis’ 1st rounder (low 20’s) work? Probably. I don’t do this though without a signed shattenkirk for no more than 6 years at around $6.5/year.

    Then flip that St. Louis pick to NYI with say either a davidson (if they want cheap, good and young) or fayne (if they want steady veteran), for hamonic. Maybe this works.

    Walk Schultz to make the money work this coming year, and try like hell to trade fayne if he isn’t in the hamonic deal to make it work past this coming year.

    Trade the UFAs like purcell and gryba at the deadline to restock the prospect shelves

    This is fairly pie in the sky but you never know what can happen when someone falls in love with a prospect, especially with the talent available in the top 4-5 this year. It leaves us without a 1st rounder this year, but who cares.

  110. Nate780 says:

    haters,

    why would that matter in the slightest? we didn’t screw them out of a player, he chose not to sign with them and 29 teams pursued him.

  111. Nate780 says:

    HeavySig,

    source? i followed it pretty closely and never heard anything of the sort.

  112. PigeonCamera says:

    Holy cow: Horc suspended for 20 games! One guy I would never have expected to read about in the NHL substance abuse program:

    http://kuklaskorner.com/hockey/comments/shawn-horcoff-suspended-for-20-games

    Contract aside, I’ve always thought of him as a pretty straight-laced, stand up guy.

  113. PigeonCamera says:

    Nate780:
    HeavySig,

    source? i followed it pretty closely and never heard anything of the sort.

    To my recollection, this was all message board driven…mostly from fans who couldn’t believe he’d choose Edmonton over Vancouver; less so even the Ducks fans, who were already resigned to him moving on…I heard exactly one rumour that ANA was going to ask the NHL to investigate; and it was unsubstantiated.

  114. Nate780 says:

    PigeonCamera,

    So basically Hockeybuzz comments section.

  115. RJ2016 says:

    I found the article interesting, especially in light of the discussion me around Seth Jones. The prevailing wisdom was that the Oilers should not trade Nuge for a third-pairing RHD, even if Jones was a 5/6 only on the Preds. Vatanen projects as a 5/6 D on the Ducks when all of their defencemen come back.

    That doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be a target, because he’d be an upgrade on the RHD here. But the price would have to be right.

    stevezie:
    RJ2016,

    I certainly won’t argue with someone who closely follows the ducks as I do not.

    Looking at scoring.60, it appears Vatanen is a competent pp quarterback, on par with an aging Bieksa. It’s his even strength scoring that looks impressive.

    Plus, if he is disappointing the Ducks it might cost less than an arm and a leg to get him. I’d rather we get a sure thing but all options on the table at this point.

    I have fond memories of Greg Hawgood.

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