READING WEEK

The Edmonton Oilers are off for the week, while the rest of the league catches up to their 50-game plateau. It is time to take stock, as we did with the 2016 draft yesterday and will do later in the week in regard to trade targets. The subject for today? Is this thing over? Pretty sure, but it will be interesting to see how this thing rolls.

THINGS TO TALK ABOUT

  • Oilers send down Griffin Reinhart, Brad Hunt and Zack Kassian. I suspect this is the Oilers version of those old Star Trek episodes where Kirk, Spock and Skinnini go down to the planet Vlaxar—who isn’t coming back? I can’t see Brad Hunt getting back again, but suspect the other two are here a week from today.
  • Loaded for bear in February. The Oilers will have Connor McDavid, Brandon Davidson and Oscar Klefbom back next month, although we are not absolutely certain they will be back at the same time. The club will be better with them, no doubt.
  • Is it really over? Edmonton is 19-26-5 (43 points) currently and play 14 February games. If they go 7-6-1 (their December record) they will reach the trade deadline at 26-32-6—pretty sure that would be ‘dead skunk in the middle of the road’ territory. Even 9-4-1 would mean Edmonton seeing the end of February with 62 points in 64 games. Hard to get to 85 points from there.
  • Who should they trade? I think the highest return will come from Teddy Purcell, but if Peter Chiarelli can offload some of these contracts (Justin Schultz, Mark Fayne) that wouldn’t hurt the summer. I remain solidly on the side of retaining Mark Fayne.
  • Will they sign anyone this month? Not sure. Eric Gryba and Teddy Purcell are UFAs who might get consideration, but they are also trade assets and Edmonton traded a lot of picks last summer. I think Zack Kassian will eventually be signed as well, but that is for summer.
  • Who was the big star in January? Cam Talbot. He was outstanding. In the last 10 games of the month, he was in eight of them and had a .935SP with a shutout.
  • How many of the eligible draft picks from the past will they sign? Not many, it is a weird group to be sure. That 2014 draft is the ‘1980s mix tape’ of drafts—Leon and William Lagesson being the exceptions.
  • Will the Oilers trade for prospects as opposed to draft picks? I think there is a real chance we see prospects here at the deadline. I wrote (and will do the same this year) about each AHL division and their prospects a year ago (here is the West Division, including OKC). If you look at Edmonton’s AHL roster for next year, expect some procurement. Johnny Boychuk style trades could be in vogue, NHL players for up and comers without a lot of NHL time.
  • Will they sign college graduates and overaged juniors? Because of the lack of prospects in the chute, I believe we will see both NHL contracts (50-man) and AHL contracts signed in the spring and summer. Edmonton has a lot of guys who aren’t going to make it (imo) in their system. Tyler Pitlick, Martin Gernat, Andrew Miller and Ryan Hamilton may be gone this summer, and I think we could see a David Musil or Dillon Simpson trade (Edmonton has so many lefthanded defenders, they can afford to trade off a few).

DEFENSE, 2015-16

OILERS DEFENSE OVER SEASON

  • How many of these players is likely to be back? I think you can make the case for Andrej Sekera, Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Brandon Davidson and Griffin Reinhart, with Eric Gryba possible. If you add Sami Vatanen to that list? Better. Is it enough?
  • Klefbom—Sekera; Nurse—Vatanen; Reinhart—Davidson with Gryba. Still inexperienced, maybe the club pulls the trigger on a youth for experience deal? What would that look like? Suspect Chiarelli could fetch a lot for one of the kids on blue. Is there a young Dan Boyle out there?

CENTERS, THIS YEAR

oilers centers over season

  • Knowing Todd McLellan as we do, I can see Nuge-Draisaitl as a duo next season, with McDavid getting the two best wingers who work with him on the other impact offensive line. Mark Letestu is fine as 4C, but I do think we will see a replacement for Anton Lander base on how things have gone this year. Either way, the other center needs to be good on the PK. Is Vern Fiddler 50 yet?

WINGERS, THIS SEASON

oil forwards over season

  • We talked about it this weekend, but if you look at the 5×5 scorers, there is a strong case to be made for bringing back eight wingers! Seriously. Hall—Eberle; Pouliot—Yakupov; Kassian—Purcell; Hendricks—Pakarinen. And that doesn’t include Leon.
  • Seriously, if you look at the 5×5/60 and the Corsi numbers, this team looks pretty near set on the wings. Throw McDavid, Nuge, Leon, Letestu and Martin Hanzal (I keed!) in there and we are cooking with petrol.

MCDAVID’S INJURY

I kept asking when he was cleared for contact, and the answer didn’t come (that I saw) until yesterday. Connor McDavid may be the first hockey player the Oilers were over cautious on, but from what we know (and don’t know) I am surprised at the rage in patience shown.

For me, there are things to be worried over in regard to this management group, beginning with Justin Schultz playing a feature role in spite of having one year’s experience five times.

As has been the case for many years now, when the news comes out, the whip comes down, and the fuel is fired. Oilers Nation is a good comp for the Tower of Babel, with McDavid’s injury and handling the latest in a long line of hills to die on. I hope we can move on some day and speak of things in less heated tones. We are certainly better at hyperbole and rage, but I do not think we are better people.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun show today! Scheduled to appear:

  • Scott Burnside, ESPN. Are the Florida Panthers real? Did Jagr sell his soul for the fountain of youth? Plus trades and Stamkos.
  • Brad Gagnon, Bleacher Report. A crazy NFL weekend.
  • Sunil Agnihotri, Copper & Blue, The SuperFan. Justin Schultz and the march into madness.
  • Jeff Hauser, Radio Hauser. He called the Broncos victory in our Friday conversation, today I will get lottery numbers.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio! (I am filling in for Jamieson today, so hang around if you can).

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  1. rocket says:

    9 regulation wins in 50 games- lowest in the league. 2nd highest goals against in the league to date. Improvement – hardly. Bitter disappointment in TM and PC… All we have left is hope

  2. dustrock says:

    It was pretty hilarious to see that McDavid, very obviously one of the fastest skaters in the NHL, if not the fastest, didn’t take part in the fastest skater comp at the Skills game yesterday.

    The OIlers must be petrified.

  3. dustrock says:

    rocket: 9 regulation wins in 50 games- lowest in the league. 2nd highest goals against in the league to date. Improvement – hardly. Bitter disappointment in TM and PC… All we have left is hope

    Eberle – hurt
    McDavid – hurt
    Yakupov – hurt
    Pouliot – hurt
    Klefbom – hurt
    Davidson- hurt

    Roster – Mac T with a dash of Chiarelli.

    Yeah, blame McLellan for this mess.

  4. frjohnk says:

    rocket:
    9 regulation wins in 50 games- lowest in the league.2nd highest goals against in the league to date. Improvement – hardly.Bitter disappointment in TM and PC…All we have left is hope

    Not much left of HOPE

    Hall is here
    Omark is gone
    PRV is gone
    Eberle is gone for many fans.

  5. Lowetide says:

    The other thing to mention, and it is pushed back because of time, but if you add up the players making over 3million who haven’t pissed a drop, it is substantial. The anger I feel is over running the Nurse-Schultz pairing over the other two on Saturday, that kind of thing. As much as the roster issues hamstring the current group, that was an unforced error by the current coach (who I respect).

  6. Truth says:

    dustrock:
    It was pretty hilarious to see that McDavid, very obviously one of the fastest skaters in the NHL, if not the fastest, didn’t take part in the fastest skater comp at the Skills game yesterday.

    The OIlers must be petrified.

    Imagine that headline. “Oilers McDavid re-injures collarbone by crashing into boards during fastest skater competition prior to being cleared for game play.”

  7. dadoug12 says:

    Lowetide:
    The other thing to mention, and it is pushed back because of time, but if you add up the players making over 3million who haven’t pissed a drop, it is substantial. The anger I feel is over running the Nurse-Schultz pairing over the other two on Saturday, that kind of thing. As much as the roster issues hamstring the current group, that was an unforced error by the current coach (who I respect).

    Lowetide:
    The other thing to mention, and it is pushed back because of time, but if you add up the players making over 3million who haven’t pissed a drop, it is substantial. The anger I feel is over running the Nurse-Schultz pairing over the other two on Saturday, that kind of thing. As much as the roster issues hamstring the current group, that was an unforced error by the current coach (who I respect).

    Way too many guys sitting in the AHL sidelines making big money , thankfully they are all gone next season, just shows you how bad the previous management was in judging talent. Just wondering what is Mactavish and Howson role still on the team as i have noticed, seeing them in the press box area with Chiarelli at times. I presume they are still on the payyrolll

  8. dadoug12 says:

    rocket:
    9 regulation wins in 50 games- lowest in the league.2nd highest goals against in the league to date. Improvement – hardly.Bitter disappointment in TM and PC…All we have left is hope

    I thing its too early to judge TM and PC, while Chiraelli moves have not been homeruns, it looks like talbot could be the stabilizing force in net, while Reinhart hasnt progressed yet,. Unfortunatley the damage from the previous regime still reeks the current team.

  9. dustrock says:

    Lowetide: The other thing to mention, and it is pushed back because of time, but if you add up the players making over 3million who haven’t pissed a drop, it is substantial. The anger I feel is over running the Nurse-Schultz pairing over the other two on Saturday, that kind of thing. As much as the roster issues hamstring the current group, that was an unforced error by the current coach (who I respect).

    And if you follow the Sharks, historically, this is unusual for McLellan. Part of the complaint against him in San Jose was that he was often too loyal to his vets.

    Given this is essentially a transitional/evaluative year, I wonder if McLellan is pushing Nurse and Schultz hard to see how far they are from playing significant minutes and doing it well.

    Might be a message to Chiarelli.

  10. Aitch says:

    I know that last season I was touting the conspiracy theory that Katz didn’t want playoffs game in Rexall. Seeing Schultz-Nurse get all that ice-time the other night, makes me wonder aloud again is that isn’t the game plan. Before the lottery win, MacT had called this season another developmental year. Maybe, just maybe, nothing has really changed. The only difference is that Chia is using this season to see what he has before dropping the hammer in the off-season.

  11. digger50 says:

    I took my boys to the skills competition and e were disappointed Connor did not skate. Really? Then he is cleared for contact the next day. Biggest surprises? Nuse skating backwards at unbelievable pace. Iro’s 103mph slapshot. Fayne picking corners on breakways and shoot out. Gazdic’s involvement – the team loves him.

  12. leadfarmer says:

    rocket,

    Chia had very little cap room left for him by MacT and Lowe. His real test will be this offseason. If we start next season with the d Corpse LT listed above then you can start bringing the pitchforks. Dmen do not develop in straight lines.

  13. Quinlan says:

    I think in the coming months, with this team semi-healthy (Nuge hurts), we’ll begin to see how much of a corner was turned this season.

    I suspect that it will be significant.

    The structure this team plays with is far greater than it has been since the rebuild began. Tom Renney (great coach) had this team playing structured and responsibly during his tenure, but was let go for not giving enough TOI to the rookies. McLellan has more skill in the lineup and they’ve bought in.

    When people say there’s not been a difference or growth this year and point to the standings (29th place) it really is as simple as pointing to the injuries. Most years, there is no way a team loses ALL of these players, ALL crucially important to the success of the team. Eberle, McDavid, Klefbom, Nugent-Hopkins, now Davidson… just look at this http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=782127

    You cannot absorb that many injuries and not struggle. It throws your roster into complete disarray. Everyone is punching above their weight, and few of these players are equipped to do that.

    Calgary fans have more to worry about as their team has been largely healthy all year and they’re hardly ahead of the Oil. Hope they keep losing. Philistines.

    When healthy, this roster should be fairly balanced. More center depth needed, though it’s unlikely this rash of injuries reoccurs.

  14. bendelson says:

    rocket,

    Unreasonable expectations will surely lead to bitter disappointment.
    Note the bad contracts and list of injuries – and re-evaluate your expectations.
    It’s not so bad… Really!

    They are exactly who I thought they were and yes (for now), I’m letting them off the hook!

  15. kinger_OIL says:

    – Great write-up LT! The Oil really have an easy schedule in terms of travel, and home games

    – They are in their own beds untill Feb. 3rd, then go on a trip through Eastern Canada/US, not much travel, then play 7 of 9 at home, with a quick trip to Cali.

    – Then they have a 8 games in 11 at home stretch with a west coast trip in there, and a 3 day break before finishing in Vancouver

    – So of course they will play a lot better, and this hopefully won’t lull the organization into thinking they have turned a corner: Plus guys that have missed big chunks of the season will be back, and a lot fresher than players who have grinded out the season.

    – Please don’t extrapolate the improvement in the next 30 games and think we’ve turned a corner. We have’t untill we get some real D, and play meaningful games. These games might matter for individual confidence, and stats and trading,

    – I suppose there is the chance that everyone comes back and gets on fire, and we get one of those D before the trade deadline, after another 6 game win streak…But in fact that would be a false-hope, and not good. Better to suck, and continue at a 1 pt/game pace, finish around 75 points, and really put the heat on Chia et al…

  16. Fortinbras says:

    The original HOPE may be all but gone, but I am still holding out for a few things this season:

    I hope when Mcdavid returns, he drops the the wide-eyed, innocent rookie routine.
    I hope he plays as angry as he looks during those media scrums.
    I hope he his right pissed.
    I hope he doesn’t smile again until he passes Eichel for scoring.
    I hope turns heal, like when Roger Federer switched to all black gear.
    I hope he eviscerates Columbus.

    Hope never dies…

  17. serum114 says:

    LT: You asked ‘Is there a young Dan Boyle out there?’

    To me that is Shattenkirk, and why I’d love for them to make adding him a priority. Simply by replacing Schultz with Shattenkirk heading into next season, I think this team is far more competitive.

    Klefbom-Shattenkirk
    Sekera-Fayne
    Davidson-Reinhart/Gryba
    Reinhart/Gryba

    I’d love to see another decent vet in the Reinhart/Gryba spot (or an upgrade on Fayne), but even without that the blueline is made much better with that addition.

  18. Fog of Warts says:

    dadoug12: Just wondering what is Mactavish and Howson role still on the team

    Their role is that they report to the new men in charge, where the buck stops 100% on their competence and authority within the positions they hold—unless Katz has his thumb on the org. chart weigh scale, forcing overlings to kowtow to underlings on his pet issues (and if that proves true, then something is so rotten in Denmarkchuk that none of these other debates amounts to a flatulent hill of beans).

    If the old boys remain with the organization as full-time underlings, simply ignore them.

    If the old boys remain with the organization as part-time overlings, rend all garments now.

    In no computation does this lead to standing around in a presentable white shirt, calf-hugging dress socks, and no pants.

  19. haters says:

    The deployment of Nurse/Shultz goes back I think to Eakins era of when the team is down you play the men that have the tools to get you back in the game.
    Ideally we like to see their numbers on the lower side but ideally you like to have your goalie in the net at the end of the game too.

    I don’t second guess results and TMac has years of results to ponder at. He’s doing the best he can with what he’s got. It’s on Chiarelli to fix the glaring holes for him on D just as it was on MacT to get Dallas more than 2 centers last year.

    We need to stop looking at coach. Imo

  20. kinger_OIL says:

    dustrock,

    – This is a great observation. Chia and McL aren’t from the same organization, or Old Boys network so they aren’t “colluding”. A much better dynamic: 2 competent guys, aligned only in wanting to win (and have won before) but not group-think, and different views on how to win.

    – The most optimistic scenario is coach is saying” so you aren’t going to trade for better D: ok, I will run out the ones you think are going to be elite: How do you like that Chia?

  21. raventalon40 says:

    haters:
    The deployment of Nurse/Shultz goes back I think to Eakins era of when the team is down you play the men that have the tools to get you back in the game.Ideally we like to see their numbers on the lower side but ideally you like to have your goalie in the net at the end of the game too.

    I don’t second guess results and TMac has years of results to ponder at. He’s doing the best he can with what he’s got. It’s on Chiarelli to fix the glaring holes for him on D just as it was on MacT to get Dallas more than 2 centers last year.

    We need to stop looking at coach. Imo

    Chiarelli’s in a tough spot right now too. Everyone’s managing the cap for next year and trades are tough to come by.

  22. haters says:

    raventalon40,
    Yup, next year should offer more flexibility for him, and just to be clear, I think this already is a playoff team barring the injures.

    It’s been a hard year for fans and players this year again, we can gripe and scrutinize all we want but nothing makes up for those man games lost imo

  23. Melman says:

    Hi all, I missed the Dallas game – what exactly is Davidson’s injury, or is it a mystery?

  24. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Melman:
    Hi all, I missed the Dallas game – what exactly is Davidson’s injury, or is it a mystery?

    It’s a mystery. He had an innocuous looking collision with Jamie Benn, doubled over & coasted to the bench. Next we saw of him he was being helped to the room in distress.

    McLellan said later he took a hit to “a tender area” which if he means the usual tender area is likely a lot tenderer for poor Brandon Davidson than it is for most males. I’d like to say “I feel his pain” except I can’t even imagine it & am glad I can’t. Ugh.

  25. raventalon40 says:

    haters:
    raventalon40,
    Yup, next year should offer more flexibility for him, and just to be clear, I think this already is a playoff team barring the injures.

    It’s been a hard year for fans and players this year again, we can gripe and scrutinize all we want but nothing makes up for those man games lost imo

    I think with the bad deals coming off our books next summer, we should get some more depth with those Ference, Nikitin contracts. Guys who we should have signed to step in in case of injuries – but couldn’t sign because we were up against the cap and 50 man limit.

    EDIT: I assume a Ference buyout

  26. Bruce McCurdy says:

    LT, you wondered apbout a young Dan Boyle in the same paragraph that you may have identified one, namely Sami Vatanen.

    Vatanen is a little further along than Boyle was when Tampa stole him from their cross-state rivals for a 5th round pick & is a year younger than Boyle was at that time. If he can be pried loose from Anaheim he will be considerably pricier. Still, an intriguing player, small stature be damned. I have “seen him good” since very early days. He’d be a lovely fit in Edmonton’s crew of big but offensively mediocre left shooters.

  27. Centre of attention says:

    Bruce McCurdy: It’s a mystery. He had an innocuous looking collision with Jamie Benn, doubled over & coasted to the bench. Next we saw of him he was being helped to the room in distress.

    McLellan said later he took a hit to “a tender area” which if he means the usual tender area is likely a lot tenderer for poor Brandon Davidson than it is for most males. I’d like to say “I feel his pain” except I can’t even imagine it & am glad I can’t. Ugh.

    I think Benn got him in the ribs a bit with his stick.

    Even just a light shove on the ribs with a graphite stick could upset a still-sore area.

    I wouldn’t doubt that Davidson has been playing with some semi-fractured ribs after that brutal crosscheck injury he took earlier in the month.

  28. dustrock says:

    kinger_OIL: dustrock, – This is a great observation. Chia and McL aren’t from the same organization, or Old Boys network so they aren’t “colluding”. A much better dynamic: 2 competent guys, aligned only in wanting to win (and have won before) but not group-think, and different views on how to win.– The most optimistic scenario is coach is saying” so you aren’t going to trade for better D: ok, I will run out the ones you think are going to be elite: How do you like that Chia?

    Well, it’s pure conjecture, but the deployment does go against what I’ve seen from McLellan after the Sharks being my 2nd favourite team for years.

    I don’t think it’s an “f you” to Chia, just a way for Chia to get a “visual” on the players, and not to buy into any verbal coming from Mac T and Howson.

  29. leadfarmer says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    I think by offensively mediocre you mean inept. When Eric Gryba takes it upon himself to be the guy to help out the offense you got to ask yourself, what the hell is everyone else doing. He has the second highest High danger scoring chances on this team and is at his mark already for all of last season, so its not like he has a history of jumping into the play.

  30. raventalon40 says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    LT, you wondered apbout a young Dan Boyle in the same paragraph that you may have identified one, namely Sami Vatanen.

    Vatanen is a little further along than Boyle was when Tampa stole him from their cross-state rivals for a 5th round pick & is a year younger than Boyle was at that time. If he can be pried loose from Anaheim he will be considerably pricier. Still, an intriguing player, small stature be damned. I have “seen him good” since very early days. He’d be a lovely fit in Edmonton’s crew of big but offensively mediocre left shooters.

    Me too. I recall his WJHC performance fondly.

  31. dustrock says:

    If Laine had better skating, he’s the next Teemu, is that right? 😉

    When I hear “Puljujarvi better all-around”, is there a comp for him? Is this like a Bergeron better all-around? Or Nuge?

    For team needs, hard to imagine anything better than a Selanne or Rick Nash type player on the wing for McDavid.

  32. Woodguy says:

    Both Chiarealli and McLellan are in Edmonton while their families are not.

    I have read in a couple spots that consequently they are spending a lot of time together.

    I doubt the coach ever needs to “send the GM a message” in their situation.

    They probably talk fairly freely.

  33. Woodguy says:

    Before anyone asks one of the sources was McLellan during an avail.

  34. rich says:

    dustrock: And if you follow the Sharks, historically, this is unusual for McLellan.Part of the complaint against him in San Jose was that he was often too loyal to his vets.

    Given this is essentially a transitional/evaluative year, I wonder if McLellan is pushing Nurse and Schultz hard to see how far they are from playing significant minutes and doing it well.

    Might be a message to Chiarelli.

    For 2 months I’ve been trying to put your comment into a lucid thought on the defense and the approach. You’ve said it perfectly.

    Klef, Nurse and Davidson all represent the future of the blue. All are young and learning. Might as well see what each can/can’t handle and do what you can to accelerate their learning this year. Don’t want to go so far to say this year didn’t matter, but in the grand scheme, it’s been more about changing the culture.

    No excuses next season for Chia. And no excuses for MacT and Howson re: the defensive vets they brought in and tried to pass off.

  35. geowal says:

    Connor McDavid may be the first hockey player the Oilers were over cautious on, but from what we know (and don’t know) I am surprised at the rage in patience shown.

    I get that many/all are anxious, maybe impatient. You think there’s rage out there over this? I haven’t seen it. If it seems so I expect it’s borne in moments of exasperation watching the last few games, and not a thought-out stance.

  36. PhrankLee says:

    Was looking at the roster Paigin is playing with in Sochi and there is one right handed player on the entire roster! I’ve never seen that before.

  37. Evilas says:

    I am looking for advice. I might relocate to Shanghai within 4-6 months. Does anyone have experience overseas or in China? What is the best way to watch the Oilers games there?

    Thank you in advance!

  38. dustrock says:

    Evilas: I am looking for advice. I might relocate to Shanghai within 4-6 months. Does anyone have experience overseas or in China? What is the best way to watch the Oilers games there? Thank you in advance!

    No experience with China, but hockeystreams might be your best bet.

  39. Pouzar says:

    dustrock: No experience with China, but hockeystreams might be your best bet.

    Last I heard hockeystreams was toast. I haven’t be able to re-up with them in weeks.

  40. Bruce McCurdy says:

    PhrankLee:
    Was looking at the roster Paigin is playing with in Sochi and there is one right handed player on the entire roster! I’ve never seen that before.

    The Russians once iced an entire team of LH shots at a major tournament of some description, Canada Cup maybe? Back in the days of the famous Green Unit.

    Not sure there is a national trend that way in mondern times — Ovechkin & Kovalchuk come to mind — but there sure used to be.

  41. Bruce McCurdy says:

    geowal:
    Connor McDavid may be the first hockey player the Oilers were over cautious on, but from what we know (and don’t know) I am surprised at the rage in patience shown.

    I get that many/all are anxious, maybe impatient. You think there’s rage out there over this? I haven’t seen it. If it seems so I expect it’s borne in moments of exasperation watching the last few games, and not a thought-out stance.

    There was a raging firestorm on Twitter yesterday.

  42. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Chiarelli added Sekera and Reinhart, with an unsuspected emerging Davidson. What else do you do in an off season, really? were we expecting Shattenkirk and Sekera on the first 2 months of the job

  43. kb says:

    serum114,
    Klefbom-Shattenkirk
    Sekera-Fayne
    Davidson-Reinhart/Gryba
    Reinhart/Gryba

    I 100% agree with you here, but without a trade I think nurse takes reinharts spot, and gryba runs 7D.
    If they do plan to get rid of fayne, we are in the same boat, 4 young D men.

    I’d have to guess that one of reinhart or davidson will be gone before next season.

  44. geowal says:

    Bruce McCurdy: There was a raging firestorm on Twitter yesterday.

    Ah, I see, the Twitter, I stay away from there so wouldn’t have seen. So as I said, not a medium that tends to include a well thought-out stance.

  45. stevezie says:

    The dumb rage over being cautious with Connor is so dumbfoundingly dumb i can’t speak about it.

    I’m dumbstruck.

  46. rickithebear says:

    Rocket:
    Player – (FWD or D RK COMP) – EVGPG – EVPPG (D HSCA)
    Comp Fwd (1 – 93) (94 – 186) (187 – 279) – (280 down)
    Hall: (#7) .300 – .780
    Drai (#34) .250 – .775
    Eberle (#40) – .216 – .459
    Purcell (#51) – .180 – .480
    Pouliot (#93) – .171 – .390
    Kassian (#62) – .137 – .333
    RNH (#17) – .130 – .457
    Klinkhammer (#10) – .071 – .071
    ———————————————— first comp FWD
    Mcdavid (#200) .231 – .692
    ———————————————–
    Korpikoski (#304) – .103 – .256
    Letestu (#288) – .080 – .100
    Hendricks (#259) – .054 – .162
    Lander (#229) – .000 – .042
    ———————————————- PK FWD
    Yakupov (#239) – .107 – .393
    Pakirinen (#276) – .103 – .154
    Letestu (#288) – .080 – .100
    Khaira (#132) – .000 – .167
    Slepyshev (#185) – .000 – .091

    To start the year:
    No Eberle; Draisatl
    Hendricks inj Oct 17 returned Nov 3 #1 FO FWd and top 20 PK FWd
    Korpikoski out Oct 28 return Nov 18
    Klinkhammer out 0ct 28 1gm till Jan 2 return
    Draisatl joins OCt 29
    Mcdavid Hurt Nov 3 out to post allstar break
    Eberle joins Nov 6 too early 13gm 3G 0A – 1: Dec 4 to Jan 17 21gm 5G 22A +2
    Hendricks out Nov 8 return Nov 14 1W – 2L
    Yakupov inj Nov 15 return Jan 14
    Pouliot Inj Nov 30 return Dec 19
    Hendricks out Jan 10 return jan 16 3L
    RNH Injured in Jan 18 Game

    Player – Comp – EVGPG – EVPPG – HSCA60
    D comp (1-61) (62- 122) (123 – 183)
    KLefbom (#24) – .133 – .300 – 10.12
    Sekera (#35) – .082 – .204 – 11.44
    Fayne (#8) -.027 – .054 – 11.36
    Rheinhart (#52) – .000 – .077 – 10.56
    ————————————– 1st comp D
    Schultz (#117) – .056 – .162 – 13.18
    Nurse (#101) .049 – .146 – 14.22
    Davidson (#98) – .029 – .118 – 9.62
    ————————————— 2nd comp D
    Gryba (#154) – .000 – .089 – 13.02
    ——————————————- 3rd comp

    Our 3 best HSCA D: Davidson; Klefbom; Reinhart
    and sub 11.50 D Fayne; Sekera
    Davidson plays 1 of first 8gm; (7gm); misses 4 of next 26gm; top 20 box defender in game.
    Reinhart Played 4 of first 12. (8gm)
    Fayne out oct 29 return nov 8 (3gm)
    Reinhart playes 8 of next 10 (2gm)
    Gryba mises 4 of last 7 gm in NOV 18-31 (4gm)
    Reinhart Sent down nov 27 return jan 23 (37gm)
    Fayne out Dec 6 return dec 21 (7gm)
    klefbom Inj dec11 ( 33gm) one of top 10 1st comp box defenders in game
    Fayne out Jan 2 return Jan 10 (3gm)
    Davidson inj Dec 19 Return Dec 31 (4gm)
    Davidson Injured Jan 21 to IR
    Sekera playe 49/50 gm

    it would be nice to roll:
    Klefbom-Fayne
    Davidson-Sekera
    Reinhart-XXX

  47. haters says:

    I know this isn’t a popular route but I think our d problem will get a lot better this summer if we somehow get this gentleman.
    http://youtu.be/HSZ89n0rkZk

  48. hunter1909 says:

    Aitch: I know that last season I was touting the conspiracy theory that Katz didn’t want playoffs game in Rexall. Seeing Schultz-Nurse get all that ice-time the other night, makes me wonder aloud again is that isn’t the game plan.

    That would be giving inordinate credit to someone stupid enough to have Kevin Lowe running an NHL hockey team. Who in turn, hired a lineup of absolutely useless coaches and general managers.

    That would be giving credit to a “hockey operation” that has graduated, despite insane 2nd + 3rd round drafting position for nearly a decade, virtually no one.

    Katz might be clever at strong arming Mom+Pop drugstores into his monstrous drug empire; but he’s never shown anything but pure unadulterated stupidity outside business machinations which among other things antagonize Edmonton’s taxpayers.

  49. Derek says:

    Pouzar: Last I heard hockeystreams was toast. I haven’t be able to re-up with them in weeks.

    I think they may be shutting down after this season. I’ve got a year pass so I still have access but it sounds like they’ve shut down access to new accounts. The streams have also been a bit more unreliable and they’ve removed the Eastern Canada server access, which unfortunately was the most reliable for me.

    It’s still much better than giving Rogers money for Gamecenter and its ridiculous blackouts, or paying for a bunch of channels I don’t watch though.

    Edit to add: Apparently you can re-up with the ticket # for your renewal if you use paypal.

  50. Soup Fascist says:

    “Will they sign anyone this month? Not sure. Eric Gryba and Teddy Purcell are UFAs who might get consideration, but they are also trade assets and Edmonton traded a lot of picks last summer. I think Zack Kassian will eventually be signed as well, but that is for summer”

    If Zack Kassian can stay clean, I hope and expect they will sign him and to a very reasonable contract given his RFA status and history. A word of caution to the fans though …. understand that you are getting the whole package with Zack. You want an aggressive player / pest, they all will take the odd stupid / ill-timed penalty. It comes with the territory. Second, true “pricks” to play against typically have that in their DNA and can be a bit polarizing in their own room. The Sean Avery, Brad Marchant, Esa Tikkanen, Daniel Carcillo, Bryan Marchment, Ken Linsemen types have that abrasiveness naturally. Can’t think of many that can / could turn it off and on.

    So yes, by all means, sign a reformed Zack Kassian, the Oilers need a guy or two like that. He was IMO one of the best forwards against Nashville and proved to be a very effective forechecker and he will be cheap – hopefully a true “value contract”. But please, Oiler Fans, don’t be all up and arms if there is a report that he and a defenseman trade shoves during a drill at practice or that he and Taylor Hall exchange words during a scrimmage. Don’t be surprised and disappointed if he pulls a Canucklehead move and cheap shots and chirps someone. It comes with the territory.

  51. geowal says:

    So with the long break is the team still practicing this week? You’d think they could use it.

  52. Centre of attention says:

    AHL Communications
    ‏@AHLPR Mark Arcobello of @TorontoMarlies (3gp, 4-3-7) has been named the AHL Player of the Week

    So we need a Lander replacement you say….

  53. hunter1909 says:

    Chiarelli+McLellan haven’t acted like idiots; trading away players. They’re taking their sweet time, regardless of the long suffering fans.

    Who knows? Lowe+MacT continue to draw Oiler paychecks, invulnerable to the vagaries of reality.

    Fun thought: Maybe Katz wants to fire Chiarelli+McLellan – and return these losers back to the levers of power.

  54. bendelson says:

    stevezie:
    The dumb rage over being cautious with Connor is so dumbfoundingly dumb i can’t speak about it.

    I’m dumbstruck.

    I have no issue speaking about it…
    It’s dumb. Really, really dumb.

  55. Pouzar says:

    Derek: I think they may be shutting down after this season.I’ve got a year pass so I still have access but it sounds like they’ve shut down access to new accounts.The streams have also been a bit more unreliable and they’ve removed the Eastern Canada server access, which unfortunately was the most reliable for me.

    It’s still much better than giving Rogers money for Gamecenter and its ridiculous blackouts, or paying for a bunch of channels I don’t watch though.

    Edit to add:Apparently you can re-up with the ticket # for your renewal if you use paypal.

    Interesting…I’ve found other Free streams that are just as good.
    The only thing I lose is being able to watch archived games.

  56. rickithebear says:

    rich:

    And no excuses for MacT and Howson re: the defensive vets they brought in and tried to pass off.

    Yeah!
    I like to Look at Evidence!

    Our Best HSCA60 since 07-08
    N. schultz 13-14 9.57
    Davidson 15-16 9.62
    Staios 08-09 9.63
    Klefbom 15-16 10.12
    Larsen 13-14 10.15
    Reinhart 15-16 10.56

    Our best 1st comp HSCA60 since 07-08
    Klefbom 15-16 10.12
    Reinhart 15-16 10.56
    Souray 07-08 11.19
    Souray 09-10 11.30
    Souary 08-09 11.35
    Fayne 15-16 11.36
    Sekera 15-16 11.44
    Gilberet 07-08 11.49
    Nikitin 14-15 11.55
    Fayne 14-15 11.57
    N. Schultz 13-14 11.59

    Klefbom-Fayne
    Davidson – Sekera
    Reinhart – XXX

  57. sliderule says:

    hunter1909,

    The Teflon Don six rings is waiting in the wings ready to ride in to rescue.

    Scary isn’t it.

  58. Caramel Obvious says:

    It is interesting how people who spend time on twitter quickly come to see twitter as their default social universe such that whatever is happening on twitter is representative of what is happening in the wider world.

    This despite the fact that, 1) this does not appear to be the case and, 2) twitter makes everything worse.

    It’s bad enough that it exists. Worse than it is taken seriously. Worst of all that it has apparently replaced the real world.

    Twitter is not discourse. That it is on the way to replacing discourse for even those who are otherwise rational (i.e. discursive) is worrisome.

  59. vinotintazo says:

    Chia has to get at least one of these Top 4 Dmen in this offseason.

    Via Trade:

    Hamonic
    Shattenkirk
    Vatanen – not sure about this guy really.

    Via FA:
    Buff
    Demers
    Yandle(LH)
    Campbell(LH)

    I prefer RH guy.

    Last Season he got the best FA in Sekera.

    In Chia we trust….

  60. cc says:

    ” Is there a young Dan Boyle out there?” One thing that Chiarelli has done is identify offensive dmen. Examples – Krug, Boychuck, Wideman. Without giving up major assets.

    So I think maybe the question should be. How do you find the next Dan Boyle? Most “Smaller” defenseman typically take a little longer to develop. The age range that you are looking for are AHL, European and College defenseman that are optimally between the ages of 21 – 25.

    If we take a look at current NHL d-man such as PK Subban, Barrie, Wisniewki, Ryan Ellis, Krug, Dennis Wideman, Vatanen, Campbell, Goligoski, Girodano & Boyle. All of these d-man played substantial time in the AHL. Each defenseman averaged .55+ Pts/G in their last AHL season and they did not play 50+ games in the NHL before their 22nd birthday.

    Why is this? I think that it’s has to do with the smaller players needing their ‘old man’ strength (believe that’s the technical term) to compete against bigger players. As a taller player you have more leverage, wing-span and are able to play against men at a younger age. If we look similar college (Gostisbehere, Shattenkirk) or European (Streit, Visnovsky, Kronwall, Timmonen, Markov & Enstrom) defenseman that make the jump to the NHL they are all 22+ in age.

    Now there are some exceptions – Karlsson & Letang are two that come to mind. But for the most part the range is 21 – 25 where a player. So with all of that said. Are their players that the Oiler’s might find to play that offensive defenseman role?

    Here’s a list of 10 AHL dmen that fit into the range.
    Julius Honka (95-12-03) – 5’11 – Stars – .59
    Ville Pokka (94-06-03 – 6′ – Hawks – .56
    Derrick Pouliot – (94-01-16) – 6′ – Penguins – .62
    Ryan Murphy – (93-03-31) – 5’11 – Hurricanes – .78
    Jordan Subban – (95-03-03) – 5’9 – Canucks – .61
    Brandon Montour (94-04-11) – 6′ – Ducks – .84
    Connor Carrick (94-04-13) – 5’10 – Capitals – .51
    Morgan Ellis (92-04-30) – 6’1 – Canadiens – .55
    Chris Wideman – (90-01-07) – 5’10 – Senators – .81 * (AHL 14-15)
    Adam Clendening (92-10-26) – 6′ – Ducks – .80 * (AHL 13-14)

    Looking at the list I would say that Honka and Pokka are likely not going to be traded.

    The other 8 have their issues but might be able to fill the PP QB role. I expect the Oiler’s to move Schultz this season and perhaps someone listed above gets PP duty. Personally, I would take a chance on Ryan Murphy if the price was right. With Faulk, Peace, Hanifan, Fleury and there’s a couple of other under the radar prospects out there.

    BTW – The majority of the list is RHD if that helps.

  61. Oil2Oilers says:

    Evilas:
    I am looking for advice.I might relocate to Shanghai within 4-6 months.Does anyone have experience overseas or in China?What is the best way to watch the Oilers games there?

    Thank you in advance!

    I can’t recall the name of the area of town but I will call it an Electronic’s Souk (market) in Shanghai. I was the absolute wild west, high powered wifi hackers and every thing was available.

    The internet in China is highly curated so instead on using your VPN (get a VPN before you go) bandwidth to stream games look for a Satellite TV hack card. The CPC does not care if you steal hockey satellite feeds, they are concerned if you read non-approved news sites, I am sure LT’s is just fine.

    Or just ask your local bar/restaurant to hack a feed for you. The service industry is incredible.

  62. Lois Lowe says:

    Evilas,

    My brother (a regular poster in these parts) lives overseas and I think if you get Gamecentre outside of North America there are no restrictions or blackouts. That’s probably the best/most reliable way. Maybe he’ll see this and chime in.

    I don’t get the angst over McDavid sitting this week either. Matt Henderson (who I normally find quite reasonable) has gone completely nuts and I can’t figure out why. They said McDavid would come back after the All Star break and they stuck to the script. I just can’t see how that’s a bad thing.

  63. Strapping Jocks says:

    I currently live in Honduras and can confirm that with my gamecenter subscription I get every hockey game live (and archives of course) without any blackouts.

  64. Centre of attention says:

    Strapping Jocks:
    I currently live in Honduras and can confirm that with my gamecenter subscription I get every hockey game live (and archives of course) without any blackouts.

    must be nice.

  65. haters says:

    cc,

    Nice work
    I feel like that’s a good place to start if those teams come looking for Purcell, Hendricks or, Shultz God willing .

  66. GCW_69 says:

    “Is it really over? Edmonton is 19-26-5 (43 points) currently and play 14 February games. If they go 7-6-1 (their December record) they will reach the trade deadline at 26-32-6—pretty sure that would be ‘dead skunk in the middle of the road’ territory. Even 9-4-1 would mean Edmonton seeing the end of February with 62 points in 64 games. Hard to get to 85 points from there.”

    Currently on pace for 69.67 points. They would need to pull a 2015 Ottawa Senators to make it. Not gonna happen.

    “Who should they trade? I think the highest return will come from Teddy Purcell, but if Peter Chiarelli can offload some of these contracts (Justin Schultz, Mark Fayne) that wouldn’t hurt the summer. I remain solidly on the side of retaining Mark Fayne.”

    If the goal is to go out and acquire two top 4 defenders (and I hope it is) then I don’t think they can retain Fayne. He makes too much money for third pairing and the Oilers already overspend heavily on the fourth line. If this ship is gonna turn north, the Oilers have to make sure they are spending their money in the right places. That means Schultz, Fayne, Korpse, Ference, and ideally one of Hendricks or Lestestu are gone because you should not pay your fourth line more than about $4M total, and your third pair should make ~$3.5M. Can’t afford Fayne eating up that much of the third pair budget.

  67. Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons says:

    Pouzar,

    I’m using hockey streams too but as mentioned if seems to be dropping off.

    What other sources do you use?

    I’ve found “reddit hockeystreams ” sometimes leads to an avg YouTube link but nothing on par with hockeystreams.

  68. Pouzar says:

    Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons:
    Pouzar,

    I’m using hockey streams too but as mentioned if seems to be dropping off.

    What other sources do you use?

    I’ve found “reddit hockeystreams ” sometimes leads to an avg YouTube link but nothing on par with hockeystreams.

    I use Reddit if I am not feeling too lazy but I mostly use onhockey.tv b/c it has the AHL(and others) feeds as well which was the main selling point for HS for me.

  69. Kaptain Vikarious says:

    I live in Aruba and am pleased with Gamecentre.

    I experience blackouts often.

  70. Dr. Taboggan says:

    GCW_69,

    I agree. I love me some Hendi but I think if they can ship him out they should. Letestu plays centre, younger, faster, scores.

    Then they have plenty of money to trade for someone like Hamonic and sign Demers, or something similar.

    Klef Hamonic
    Sekera Demers
    Nurse Davidson
    Reinhart Gryba

    Not great but much improved. Shat, Vatanen, Buff as other options. Rebuilding the right side of the D is a priority.

  71. Thoughts on the Oilers: Blocking shots, Moneyball Experiments, the Expendables, Ice Time + Radio Spot | The SuperFan says:

    […] Lowetide this morning on TSN 1260 to discuss the Oilers. Full audio below, starting around the 7:40 […]

  72. Yegfoundation says:

    Someone tell TMAC to stop his complaining regarding roster make-up. KLOWE recently stated that the plan laid out by KATZ was to start the winning when the team moved into the new arena, and that senior management/ownership feel that the team is on target in line with the plan.

    This year is about draft position, and small improvements. The coaching staff and fans will just have to suck it up.

  73. Frank the dog says:

    Centre of attention,

    Quinlan:
    I think in the coming months, with this team semi-healthy (Nuge hurts), we’ll begin to see how much of a corner was turned this season.

    I suspect that it will be significant.

    The structure this team plays with is far greater than it has been since the rebuild began. Tom Renney (great coach) had this team playing structured and responsibly during his tenure, but was let go for not giving enough TOI to the rookies. McLellan has more skill in the lineup and they’ve bought in.

    When people say there’s not been a difference or growth this year and point to the standings (29th place) it really is as simple as pointing to the injuries. Most years, there is no way a team loses ALL of these players, ALL crucially important to the success of the team. Eberle, McDavid, Klefbom, Nugent-Hopkins, now Davidson… just look at this http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=782127

    You cannot absorb that many injuries and not struggle. It throws your roster into complete disarray. Everyone is punching above their weight, and few of these players are equipped to do that.

    Calgary fans have more to worry about as their team has been largely healthy all year and they’re hardly ahead of the Oil. Hope they keep losing. Philistines.

    When healthy, this roster should be fairly balanced. More center depth needed, though it’s unlikely this rash of injuries reoccurs.

    All of Renney, Krueger, Nelson and TMac are/were competent coaches. I suspect all were aware of the arena timeline and coached accordingly by were sacrificed at the altar of scapegoats.
    Dallas may have been up there corsi wise but his win/GD numbers were only exceed by his mishandling and demoralization of his players. Although he would also have been I,the the impression he had more time like the others.

  74. oliveoilers says:

    Yegfoundation:
    Someone tell TMAC to stop his complaining regarding roster make-up.KLOWE recently stated that the plan laid out by KATZ was to start the winning when the team moved into the new arena, and that senior management/ownership feel that the team is on target in line with the plan.

    This year is about draft position, and small improvements.The coaching staff and fans will just have to suck it up.

    MacT is this you?

  75. kdunbar says:

    Lowetide,

    I know you keep mentioning Sami Vatanen, but given the success of the Panthers with Veterans in the line up, shouldn’t the Oilers look to someone more veteran for the line up?

  76. BONE207 says:

    hunter1909: That would be giving inordinate credit to someone stupid enough to have Kevin Lowe running an NHL hockey team. Who in turn, hired a lineup of absolutely useless coaches and general managers.

    That would be giving credit to a “hockey operation” that has graduated, despite insane 2nd + 3rd round drafting position for nearly a decade, virtually no one.

    Katz might be clever at strong arming Mom+Pop drugstores into his monstrous drug empire; but he’s never shown anything but pure unadulterated stupidity outside business machinations which among other things antagonize Edmonton’s taxpayers.

    Are you happier when you drink?

  77. soup says:

    I’m in the south of France. Gamecentre thru Apple TV is the cat’s bottom.

  78. AsiaOil says:

    Going to go a bit “opposite george” today and suggest we trade for Ladd with WIN. Why the hell do that? Indulge me 🙂

    Ladd is a big solid vet who would look absolutely fantastic on McDavid’s LW. Sure he’s older but you need older guys in this league and if he’s willing to sign for an Eberle style contract for not too long I would consider it. The bait would be Pouliot who is signed for term at less than what Ladd was making – perhaps we have to add a bit – but it may work for WIN in terms of position and money. Perhaps not – I’m just spitballing. So let’s say we pull this off – what do we have in the top 6:

    Hall RNH xx
    Ladd CMD xx

    I friggin love those pairs – and I would fill out the RW slots with cheap contracts like Drai on the top line and Yak on the 2nd line. Eberle is cashed for a dman as Ladd takes his salary slot. Sure we have lots of talent in the existing top 6 – but our mix is not right. Bringing in a guy like Ladd – and moving out Pou and Ebs – creates a top 6 that is more experienced, bigger and more balanced IMHO.

  79. GCW_69 says:

    Quinlan:
    I think in the coming months, with this team semi-healthy (Nuge hurts), we’ll begin to see how much of a corner was turned this season.

    I suspect that it will be significant.

    The structure this team plays with is far greater than it has been since the rebuild began. Tom Renney (great coach) had this team playing structured and responsibly during his tenure, but was let go for not giving enough TOI to the rookies. McLellan has more skill in the lineup and they’ve bought in.

    When people say there’s not been a difference or growth this year and point to the standings (29th place) it really is as simple as pointing to the injuries. Most years, there is no way a team loses ALL of these players, ALL crucially important to the success of the team. Eberle, McDavid, Klefbom, Nugent-Hopkins, now Davidson… just look at this http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=782127

    You cannot absorb that many injuries and not struggle. It throws your roster into complete disarray. Everyone is punching above their weight, and few of these players are equipped to do that.

    Calgary fans have more to worry about as their team has been largely healthy all year and they’re hardly ahead of the Oil. Hope they keep losing. Philistines.

    When healthy, this roster should be fairly balanced. More center depth needed, though it’s unlikely this rash of injuries reoccurs.

    Colorado and CBJ both finished around 500 man games lost due to injury and finished with 90 and 89 points respectively. Both teams had injuries to key players and neither are world beaters when healthy. CBJ, for example, lost Bobrovsky, Anisimov, Jenner, Skille, Murray, Tyutin, Calvert, Clarkson, and Morin for significant periods and still out-performed where the Oilers are likely to finish.

    The Oilers are a bad team made to look a little worse due to injuries.

  80. Bank Shot says:

    I used gamecenter in China. No issues, no blackouts. Depending on where I was staying the interent speed wasn’t always that spectacular.

    One good thing about gamecenter is that the games are archived so you have the option to watch anytime. You can also turn off the scores so you don’t ruin the surprise of an Oilers loss.

    Since all Oilers games occur in the morning which may not be that convenient, those two options are great to have.

  81. ohhell says:

    I use a slingbox attached to my cable box at home and can record and watch all games while travelling providing I have a moderate internet connection. Have watched games on cruise ships.

  82. GCW_69 says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    GCW_69,

    I agree. I love me some Hendi but I think if they can ship him out they should. Letestu plays centre, younger, faster, scores.

    Then they have plenty of money to trade for someone like Hamonic and sign Demers, or something similar.

    Klef Hamonic
    Sekera Demers
    Nurse Davidson
    Reinhart Gryba

    Not great but much improved. Shat, Vatanen, Buff as other options. Rebuilding the right side of the D is a priority.

    He is the one I would keep too. Hendricks has had a good run the last couple of seasons, but the Oilers need to spend their $ efficiently and Hendricks at that price is not cost efficient.

    Unfortunately, when I last looked at this kind of budget analysis, Chiarelli’s Bruins were always one of the higher spenders on the 4th line relative to their peers. He was good at the budget third pairing though, so all hope is not lost.

  83. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    Thanks for the lecture on my social media habits.

    My general experience is that when something is under heavy discussion on Twitter, that it is also a topic of conversation elsewhere. Usually in this forum I refer its own thread under discussion, but in this case that involved an outside reference to Twitter.

    So sorry to have broached the topic & offended your sensitive sensibilities on this matter. 😐

  84. hunter1909 says:

    BONE207: Are you happier when you drink?

    1 drink – Mostly positive
    2-3 drinks – Pretty well happier
    4-5 drinks – Exaggerated highs and lows
    6-7 drinks – Delusional both positive and negative(depending on the mood of the moment)
    8-9 drinks – Great confidence approaching no fear of anything
    10+ drinks – Hospital for various cuts and abrasions+Tetanus, black outs and the worry is, waking up in a police cell on manslaughter charges
    14 UK pints – beer swilling single night record

  85. godot10 says:

    Ladd and Lucic are both impossible acquisitions without trading Pouliot.

    Trading Pouliot or Fayne will not be easy since both have a lot of term left.

    The Oilers should spend their cap space on D.

    My target list of D (in order of preference)
    1) Hamonic
    2) Burns
    3) Shattenkirk
    4) Vatanen
    5) Demers
    6) Byfuglien

    Need one for sure. Two more is better than one more.

  86. hunter1909 says:

    It’s sure weird seeing Eberle+RNH getting dissed. Shades of Oilers gone past, lol.

  87. AsiaOil says:

    Klef Hamonic
    Sekera Demers
    Nurse Davidson
    Reinhart Gryba

    I think this risks blocking our young guys. We need one big piece like Shattenkirk who brings some offense and room for our young guys to grow into their proper roles. I really believe the Reinhart you saw against NAS was what we will see with increasing regularity. Rock solid defense, able to play with skill, brings some offense. Pair him with a guy like Shatts and you have a potentially crazy good 2nd pair. Sekera can move over to the right side and play with Klef on the top pair. Nurse and Gryba on the 3rd pair will be miserable as hell to play against and a good match. That leaves Davidson as our extra guy and he will play essentially a full season as a utility infielder. He’s found money and I have always been strong supporter – but his upside is totally unclear. Right now he’s a 3rd pair NHL player who can move up for short periods. Might be more but it’s folly to count on it.

  88. Centre of attention says:

    “Gregor: When you were a coach, how did you view analytics and how did you use them?

    Oates: It’s suddenly become the rage. There are some good parts of it, and there are some bad parts of it. It is data, and unfortunately I think that data should have been private for the general managers and for the scouts in terms of how they measure guys, and it became public, which I think is wrong.

    As a coach, there is not one second of the game where you don’t have your own internal analytics going on. You’re changing lines, you’re watching the play, you’re watching flows, and you’re watching guys, thinking, ‘Who’s having a tough night, who is not?’ You know which line is up next and you want to give this line a shift, but all of a sudden there is a face-off in your end, and you change your mind because the face-off is to the right of the goalie instead of the left. You put your guys on, but you’re not sure who he’s going to put on. Your mind is constantly going. And it’s all the stuff that we’ve talked about.

    What people don’t realize is that sometimes you have a guy with a seven year contract. He’s playing. He may be having an off night, but he’s playing. These are all things that you factor in as a coach. That’s why I think some of these things should be private. A guy might have good CORSI number, but there are extenuating circumstances that lead into that.

    There’s a pressure with that, and players talk about it. One thing I don’t like personally is when a guy is coming down the ice and gets it to the right winger for example, the winger skates in and he’s taking wrister into the goalie. Okay, it’s a shot on net, but I think that shot is awful. There’s not a goalie in this world that’s letting that in, or else he’s getting demoted. You just give the goalie the puck that he freezes. You may have been the first line out there against a tired third line. You never know, right? Now you give them a chance to get the matchup they want. How do you factor that into a CORSI rating?”

    Great insight into how NHL coaches think.

    Seems like they don’t like the fact that fans like us have access to analytics.

  89. flea says:

    I’ve been using GameCenter in in Alberta for 3 years now (cable cutter) and there are ways around the blackouts. In fact, you can even get preferential “international” pricing on GameCenter using popular “unblockers”. I have paid $99 USD in 2013 and 2014 and it went up to $129USD this year. This year was the worst hit with the exchange rate falling off. I might go back to cable next year.

    I do like GameCenter though. I have small children, so sometimes watching a game right at puck drop isn’t feasible. So shutting off the scores and then watching the game later is nice. However there is a blackout from the conclusion of the game for 90 minutes up to 4 hours – no idea why. It has to be archived or something.

    If you can start the game before it is over, you can choose to start from the beginning.

    Quality is usually pretty good, the occassional hiccup but I’m not afraid to invite people over to watch.

    I think the gravy train will run out here eventually and I’m thinking I’ll go back to cable next year .

  90. Soup Fascist says:

    godot10:
    Ladd and Lucic are both impossible acquisitions without trading Pouliot.

    Trading Pouliot or Fayne will not be easy since both have a lot of term left.

    The Oilers should spend their cap space on D.

    My target list of D (in order of preference)
    1) Hamonic
    2) Burns
    3) Shattenkirk
    4) Vatanen
    5) Demers
    6) Byfuglien

    Need one for sure.Two more is better than one more.

    Not to question your order – as it is “yours”. But, did you put Hamonic ahead of Burns in terms of contract and that the cost of acquiring the “Bearded Butcher of Barrie” would be more dear than Hamonic OR on ability as a first pairing NHL defenseman?

    Just wondering, because, IMO Burns checks off way more boxes than Hamonic on the Oiler’s wish list. Thanks.

  91. GCW_69 says:

    godot10:
    Ladd and Lucic are both impossible acquisitions without trading Pouliot.

    Trading Pouliot or Fayne will not be easy since both have a lot of term left.

    The Oilers should spend their cap space on D.

    My target list of D (in order of preference)
    1) Hamonic
    2) Burns
    3) Shattenkirk
    4) Vatanen
    5) Demers
    6) Byfuglien

    Need one for sure.Two more is better than one more.

    This is from 2014/15, but didn’t swing wildly from 2013/14. It shows diectionally where playoff teams allocate thier cap space.

    Line….% of cap
    1st……22%
    2nd….18%
    3rd…….8%
    4th…….6%

    1st……11%
    2nd….11%
    3rd…….5%

    Starter…..8%
    Back up…1%

    Extra roster players…….4%
    Bonuses……..1%
    Available.….4%

    I don’t see how you can push Pouliot down a line and have the numbers make sense if you go sign a high price free agent like Lucic or Ladd.

    That said, Pouliot had a good year last year and if they can pump his numbers back up with McDavid for the rest of the season, not sure why they can’t move him.

  92. vinotintazo says:

    godot10:
    1) Franzon
    2) Hamonic
    3) Burns
    4) Shattenkirk
    5) Vatanen
    6) Demers
    7) Byfuglien

    FTFY

  93. Bank Shot says:

    It’s weird seeing the Canucks so far ahead of the Oilers in the standings. The Alien twins are their only real threat to score on any given night. The rest of their forward core is either over the hill, never was, or too young. Horvat is a -23 for crying out loud.

    Tanev and Edler are good D. Hamhuis has been injured half the season. The rest of their guys are Oilers calibre.

    Ryan Miller is supposed to be the worst free agent signing in history…..

    All this and they are still comfortably ahead of the Oilers.

    When I look at their respective lineups, the Oilers should be able to be right there with the Canucks, but the Oilers are languishing last in the West. As always.

    In the last few seasons without fail the Oilers have been less than the sum of their parts. The Oilers can’t even seem to put themselves into a position where they could go on a lucky run. They are so bad luck doesn’t even help.

    If its just simply they don’t have a top pairing D-man, then that needs to be rectified ASAP even if a golden boy needs to go the other way. If that isn’t it, then what is it?

    We can’t really keep blaming it on the bottom five guys on the roster year in and year out. Lots of other teams can at least be mediocre while carrying some flotsam and jetsam. The Oilers can’t even get to that level.

  94. Yegfoundation says:

    oliveoilers,

    Furthermore, I might add that this team is visually better.

  95. LoDog says:

    I don’t know, I don’t see the coach having to send any messages to the GM via in game decisions. They seem to be on the same page, no communication issues that I have heard of.

    The Oilers have sucked for a very long time. This makes people very impatient.

    This year has always been about learning to play the system for 60 minutes and finding out will excel and who to cut bait on.

    I think it was the first press conference and then countless ones since from the coach; we are not even thinking about the playoffs.

    Chiarelli said just a week ago that if this group got close by the deadline he would add help. That sounds like someone more interested in evaluating players than really caring about the playoffs.

    After the deadline and especially after the summer this team will look very, very different.

    Next year will be different long suffering Oiler fans, I promise. 🙂

  96. AsiaOil says:

    LoDog,

    Agree totally. I watch mostly out of town feeds and it’s been pretty much unanimous that the Oilers look completely different this year. System and structure is evident but much of the progress has been buried under an avalanche of injuries in key areas (center & defense). A miracle turn around will happen next year in many minds – but the structure that supports the change is being created this season. A few key roster moves in the next 6 months and we are good to go.

  97. GCW_69 says:

    Anyone else finding L’s site suddenly consuming memory like a sailor at a bar at the start of shore leave?

  98. LMHF#1 says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    It is interesting how people who spend time on twitter quickly come to see twitter as their default social universe such that whatever is happening on twitter is representative of what is happening in the wider world.

    This despite the fact that, 1) this does not appear to be the case and, 2) twitter makes everything worse.

    It’s bad enough that it exists.Worse than it is taken seriously.Worst of all that it has apparently replaced the real world.

    Twitter is not discourse.That it is on the way to replacing discourse for even those who are otherwise rational (i.e. discursive) is worrisome.

    Well done. And in talking point form no less. Bravo.

  99. raventalon40 says:

    vinotintazo: FTFY

    Why Franson? He’s a stopgap measure, not a fix. He’d be a great third pairing D and PP specialist though.

  100. leadfarmer says:

    Big Buff
    This year individual high danger scoring chance 21. Net HDSC +/-, +8. HD Chances against per 60 11.4
    Last year individual high danger scoring chance 47, Net +65 !!!!. HD Chances against per 60 9.0

    If you can limit his term this is the guy we need.

    Hamonic
    This year 3, -9, 12.3
    Last year 17, + 57, 11.7
    If you get last years Hamonic go out and get him. If you get this years Hamonic go out and get him too at his contract.

    Shattenkirk
    This year 10, – 17, 10.5
    Last year 7, +63, 8.5
    I can see why St.Louis finds him expendable this year

    Vatanen
    This year 9, +10, 10.6
    Last year 6, +39, 8.8
    If your options are Shattenkirk or Vatanen and the price is similar I would go for the guy you get to control for longer

    Goligoski
    This year 8, +22, 13.4
    Last year 20, +62, 10.6

    My dream to start next season is Goligoski and Buff on 4 year contracts that dont break the bank. Yeah I know its a dream. I could live with adding Hamonic and Vatanen instead, and go d by committee with guys that are pretty cheap for what they do.

  101. LoDog says:

    raventalon40,

    vino just noticed that godot somehow left his favourite player off his list. I am sure he is really blushing now.

  102. raventalon40 says:

    LoDog:
    raventalon40,

    vino just noticed that godot somehow left his favourite player off his list. I am sure he is really blushing now.

    HA! I see

  103. G Money says:

    godot10,

    I am convinced that there are two users of the godot10 account.

    One is smart and knowledgeable.

    The other has really weird obsessions with coaches.

    “Lowetide.ca is like a box of chocolates. Ya never know what Godot you’re gonna get.”

  104. G Money says:

    GCW_69,

    Are you using Chrome?

    I’ve having major memory problems with it when multiple tabs are open.

    Not sure I noticed it before i.e is it actually something recent or something I just noticed recently, but with all the heavy duty number crunching I’ve been doing of late, I regularly push my machines to 99% memory usage, and that’s when I realize that my 12 Chrome tabs have spawned 30 processes and are chewing up 1+ GB.

  105. PhrankLee says:

    GCW_69:
    Anyone else finding L’s site suddenly consuming memory like a sailor at a bar at the start of shore leave?

    Sometimes it red-lines my laptop as well. I think it’s a WordPress thing.

  106. Quinlan says:

    GCW_69: Colorado and CBJ both finished around 500 man games lost due to injury and finished with 90 and 89 points respectively.Both teams had injuries to key players and neither are world beaters when healthy. CBJ, for example, lost Bobrovsky, Anisimov, Jenner, Skille, Murray, Tyutin, Calvert, Clarkson, and Morin for significant periods and still out-performed where the Oilers are likely to finish.

    The Oilers are a bad team made to look a little worse due to injuries.

    Way to cherry pick there. Quality of players injured is not even close.

    In COL, you have Johnson as a key injury – MacKinnon struggled all year and McGinn is not even comparable to Benoit Pouliot. The others are fringe NHLers at best. The top six in COL were freakily healthy in 2014-15. It’s actually kind of shocking that you used them as an example to the contrary. Iginla, Duchene, O’Reilly, and Landeskog each played every single game that season.

    CBJ (which you focused on, knowing COL was a poor comparison) is closer but still not in the ballpark when it comes to the quality of the players involved. Jenner and Anisimov were .5 p/g players. Tyutin and Dubinsky hurt the most, with Murray close. Considerable, for sure. But comparable overall to Eberle, Nuge, Pouliot, Yakupov, McDavid, Klefbom, and now Davidson?

    I don’t think so.

    My initial point remains.

    Most years, there is no way a team loses ALL of these players, ALL crucially important to the success of the team.

    You cannot absorb that many injuries and not struggle. It throws your roster into complete disarray. Everyone is punching above their weight, and few of these players are equipped to do that.

    We’re not talking about Patrick Bordeleau, Jack Skille, Joey Hishon, Jamie McGinn, Brian Gibbons, Ryan Wilson, Borna Rendulic, and Jason Winchester here.

    The Oilers, when healthy, are not nearly as bad as they appear to be at this juncture in the season. If you think that this team, the one in its current struggles, is not significantly easier to beat than when healthy… I really don’t know what to say.

  107. thehop says:

    Kaptain Vikarious,

    Can you clarify what you mean by “blackouts often”. Considering your geographical location one would hope you are not insinuating what I think you are and are merely making commentary on the blackout policy on game centre.

  108. Atc-Nate says:

    Currently have Gamecentre and works with no issues in the Bahamas. Ditto in Alberta using unblock-us in conjunction.

    Edit: also, re oilers man games lost to injury, hard to count Ference in there as he currently isn’t an NHL player even if the NHL labels him as such. In fact, you might have to take games off the list based on him going IR for his hip. (frees up a roster spot for us to use for a player who will.. Play.)

  109. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I’d think Vatanen would be a better fit than Hamonic. EDM has no D capable of quarterbacking a quality PP1. I like Klefbom’s ES production and he’s fine at PP2.

    Problem is you’re dealing quite a bit to a division rival, and the player doesn’t want out–>to a team in EDM’s region

  110. JDï™ says:

    Pouzar: Last I heard hockeystreams was toast.

    I wasn’t able to renew a few months ago, and heard that it was ‘just a billing’ issue. Well that seems to have lasted quite some time, which leads me to believe that the incoming MLB people had something to do with hockeystream’s slow death.

    MLB’s streaming dept is taking over NHL streaming effective at the all star break. As a run-up to this, it’s not difficult to think that they called up Visa, the NHL’s official partner, and asked them why one of their clients is reselling NHL streams.

  111. JDï™ says:

    GCW_69:
    Anyone else finding L’s site suddenly consuming memory like a sailor at a bar at the start of shore leave?

    yeah, for a while now. If I go in a kill the flashplayer process, it’s fine until i refresh the page and the plugin loads again.

  112. striker says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Bruce, may I request that you mention and disuss Planet 9 the next time you have the “star talk” segment on the Lowdown? Thanks 🙂

  113. G Money says:

    JDï™,

    Man, is there a legit application vendor that behaves in a more virus-like fashion than does Adobe?

    Other than Windows itself I mean.

  114. striker says:

    Panthers lock up Barkov 35.4 mill over 6 years. 5.9 AAV

  115. rickithebear says:

    Dmen Facing 1st comp and 1st pair HSCA60 results.
    1st pair in both:
    Lindholm ANA
    Ristolainen BUF
    Murphy ARZ
    Hjarlmasson CHI
    JVR CHI
    Klefbom EDM
    Kulikov FLD
    Suter MIN
    Spurgeon MIN
    Ekholm NSH
    Ellis NSH
    Larsson NJD
    A. greene NJD
    N. Schultz PHI
    lovejoy PIT
    Dumolin PIT
    Braun SJS
    Vlasic SJS
    Gunnarson STL
    Parayko STL
    Stralman TMP
    Hedman TMP
    Alzner WSH
    23 D
    16 team pairs
    7 individual
    face the best and protect the best.

    top 2nd pair results in Comp and Defendding
    Vatinen ANA
    Grossman ARZ
    Gorges BUF
    Brodie CGY
    Savard CBJ
    Keith CHI
    Deykeyser DET
    Ericsson DET
    Marchenko DET
    Davidson EDM
    Reinhart EDM
    Gudbransson FLD
    Mitchell FLD
    Ekblad FLD
    Doughty LAk
    Martinez LAK
    Mcnabb LAK
    Petry MTL
    Markov MTL
    Severson NJD
    Josi NSH
    Weber NSH
    DE Haan NYI
    Mcdonnagh NYR
    Methot OTT
    Gudas PHI
    Burns SJS
    Martin SJS
    Shattenkirk STL
    Phanuef TOR
    Meyer WPG
    Niskanen WSH
    32 D achieved at least upper 2nd comp and upper 2nd Defending

    By team 1st; – top 2nd
    ANA: lindholm: – Vatinen
    ARZ Murphy; – Grossman
    BUF: Ristolainen; – Gorges
    BOS: 0 – 0
    CAR: 0 – 0
    CBJ: 0; – Savard
    CGY; 0; – Brodie
    Chi: Hjarlmasson; JVR; – Keith
    COL: 0 – 0
    DAL: 0 – 0
    DET 0; – Deykeyser; Ericsson; Marchenko
    EDM Klefbom; – Reinhart; Davidson
    FLD: Kulikov; – Gudbransson; Ekblad; Mitchell
    LAK: 0; – Doughty; Mcnabb; Martinez
    MIN: Suter; Spurgeon; – 0
    MTL: 0; – Petry; Markov
    NJD: Larsson; Greene; – Severson
    NSH: Ekholm; Ellis; – Josi; Weber
    NYI: 0; – Dehaan
    NYR: 0; – Mcdonnagh
    OTT: 0; – Methot
    PHI: Schultz; – Guddas
    PIT: Lovejoy Dumoulin – 0
    SJS: Braun; VLasic; – Burns; Martin
    STL: Gunnarson; Parayko; – Shattenkirk
    TMP: Hedman; Stralman; – 0
    VCR: 0 – 0
    WPG; 0; – Meyer
    WSH: Alzner; – Niskanen

    We have 3:

  116. vinotintazo says:

    striker:
    Panthers lock up Barkov 35.4 mill over 6 years. 5.9 AAV

    wonder how much monahan will cost for the flames. I suspect around the same… 6M x 6 years

  117. JDï™ says:

    G Money: than does Adobe?

    And they do it for pretty much every product they churn out. About the only nice thing I can say is, they’re consistent!

  118. McSorley33 says:

    Count me as one of the guys railing against the extreme delay with McDavid.

    I have my heart set on finishing 25th.

  119. Zelepukin says:

    vinotintazo: wonder how much monahan will cost for the flames. I suspect around the same… 6M x 6 years

    Hall contract continues to look amazing.

  120. GCW_69 says:

    Quinlan,

    Try this:

    https://www.mangameslost.com/the-most-injured-nhl-teams-since-the-2009-2010-season/

    With Detroit, Vancouver, Pittsburgh all in thie high man games lost yet delivering strong regular seasons, plus NJ and Minny, and Philly all having at least moderate success over the period, I think you are overstating the impact.

  121. BONE207 says:

    GCW_69:
    Anyone else finding L’s site suddenly consuming memory like a sailor at a bar at the start of shore leave?

    Sure do…must be the cute girls he puts in.

  122. Quinlan says:

    GCW_69,

    Read that already. I think you are reading more impact in my statement than is there.

    Oilers roster with fewer major injuries represents one thing.

    Oilers roster with many major injuries represents another.

    The first roster should not be judged by the failures of the second except to say that more depth is needed.

    The current struggles of the team should be expected, due to significant injuries. A return to health is likely to cause an increase in performance and a decrease in struggles.

    Injuries are a reason, not an excuse.

  123. Bank Shot says:

    Quinlan:
    GCW_69,

    Read that already. I think you are reading more impact in my statement than is there.

    Oilers roster with fewer major injuries represents one thing.

    Oilers roster with many major injuries represents another.

    The first roster should not be judged by the failures of the second except to say that more depth is needed.

    The current struggles of the team should be expected, due to significant injuries. A return to health is likely to cause an increase in performance and a decrease in struggles.

    Injuries are a reason, not an excuse.

    Oilers were 5-8 when McDavid was healthy.

    In the 30 games Klefbom played they were 13-17.

    The Oilers were bad when they had fewer key injuries, and they are bad now.

    I think the injuries talk is an excuse. Would the Oilers have a few more points. Probably? Would they be even an average hockey team? Highly doubtful.

  124. Bruce McCurdy says:

    striker:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    Bruce, may I request that you mention and disuss Planet 9 the next time you have the “star talk” segment on the Lowdown? Thanks

    Sure, if LT asks the right question. 🙂

  125. russ99 says:

    Bank Shot: Oilers were 5-8 when McDavid was healthy.

    In the 30 games Klefbom played they were 13-17.

    The Oilers were bad when they had fewer key injuries, and they are bad now.

    I think the injuries talk is an excuse. Would the Oilers have a few more points. Probably? Would they be even an average hockey team? Highly doubtful.

    Yup.

    We shouldn’t look for Klefbom to be the savior either, he has own-zone issues too: primarily in one-on-one situations and clearing the crease.

    I hope this summer is the end of the Oilers putting defensemen in roles above where they could be expected to produce, and I hope rushing Nurse and Klefbom’s frequent injuries don’t put us in a position where we rely on them too much, too early.

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