TAPE TO TAPE

The Edmonton Oilers got another major assist from the Bakersfield Condors last night. An organization used to recalling marginal talents once again saw thunder from the Gods in the person of Laurent Brossoit. The young man won a point, and at least another start, in what was a splendid night for he and Craig MacTavish. That trade, not famous at the time or at this time, may have gifted the Oilers a major part of the franchise moving forward.

YEAR AFTER YEAR, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1
  • Oilers in January 2015: 5-7-1
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-5-2
  • Oilers in February 2015: 5-6-1
  • Oilers in February 2016: 3-3-1
  • Oilers after 57 in 2014-15: 16-32-9, 41 points (-61 GD)
  • Oilers after 57 in 2015-16: 22-29-6, 50 points (-27 GD)

Lots of chances for Edmonton last night, especially on the powerplay—and some poor performances (Taylor Hall tried to force things and took penalties, as an example). Great young goalie, the power play takes the gas pipe every time, but they got a point.

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The Edmonton Oilers 2015-16 rookie class is ridiculous and should sustain this organization through 2030 if everyone plays their cards right:

  1. C Connor McDavid 20gp, 9-15-24
  2. R Iiro Pakarinen 46gp, 4-4-8
  3. D Darnell Nurse 47gp, 2-6-8
  4. D Brandon Davidson 40gp, 3-4-7
  5. L Jujhar Khaira 12gp, 0-2-2
  6. D Griffin Reinhart 15gp, 0-1-1
  7. L Anton Slepyshev 11gp, 0-1-1
  8. D Adam Clendening 2gp, 0-1-1
  9. G Anders Nilsson 26gp, 3.14 .901
  10. G Laurent Brossoit 1gp, 1.00 .930

Best since 1980? That 2010-11 class was fantastic, but this one has McDavid and that will probably carry the day for best of the century. Among those not named McDavid and Nurse, who is your choice for most likely to have a long and productive career? It is not an easy answer.

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Photo by Mark Williams

TOP 20 PROSPECTS

Remember the top 20 prospects from winter? A lot of them will graduate (as above) and for that reason Peter Chiarelli should be adding at the trade deadline. Here are the top 20 kids from winter (I consider 50 games graduation, less for goalies and McDavid will graduate because he is no longer a prosperct), with the graduates crossed out:

  • Connor McDavid
  • Leon Draisaitl
  • Darnell Nurse
  • (No. 1) Anton Slepyshev
  • (No. 2) Griffin Reinhart
  • (No. 3) Laurent Brossoit
  • Anders Nilsson
  • Brandon Davidson
  • (No. 4) Ethan Bear
  • Iiro Pakarinen
  • (No. 5) Bogdan Yakimov
  • (No. 6) Jujhar Khaira
  • (No. 7) Caleb Jones
  • (No. 8) Kyle Platzer
  • (No. 9) Ziyat Paigin
  • (No. 10) William Lagesson
  • (No. 11) Joey Laleggia
  • (No. 12) Dillon Simpson
  • (No. 13) Greg Chase
  • (No. 14) John Marino

Only five of the 14 remaining prospects are forwards, and the three best (Slepyshev, Yakimov and Khaira) are in pro, have played in the NHL and will be pushing for work in the bigs this fall. The cupboard, such as it is, is bare. Even with that, I believe (and have stated) that—unless the Oilers win the No. 1 lottery—the correct play is probably dealing that selection for a bona fide NHL defenseman and a lesser first-round selection. That said, this prospect list is as poor as I can recall this century (and before). The Oilers need a major re-stocking.

OILERS DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

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  • Sekera—Schultz had a good night by the numbers, for me Sekera had one of his best evenings as an Oiler. Schultz had moments of inaction—that is often the trouble, not that he does something badly, but rather that he does nothing at all in very important moments of the game—but the pairing itself emerged with a reasonable evening.
  • Nurse—Fayne had their good and bad moments, for some reason I noticed Fayne’s lack of speed more with 25 than I do with 2. Still, the veteran was effective (got an assist) and this is a pairing I would like to see again.
  • Davidson—Gryba were not their normal selves, but Davidson looked great to my eye. On a night when all but Sekera were having trouble passing the puck effectively, Davidson used his ability to carry the puck and found a way. He led the team (again) in EV TOI and was second to Sekera in TOI overall.
  • Sekera and Davidson are Edmonton’s two best defensemen. Brandon Davidson is the modern Fernando Pisani and it would be foolish to deal him in my opinion. There must be a better way to improve the defense, dealing the one young defender from the system who has figured it out seems contrary to winning.

OILERS CENTERS, LAST NIGHT

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  • Leon Draisaitl and his line did not cash (again) and they had plenty of power-play time and a pretty nice matchup at 5×5. Leon avoided Byfuglien but did face the Myers and Trouba pairings—not easy street. Still, the lack of production from his line is a major part of the current meandering record.
  • Connor McDavid and his line received the Byfuglien Uglien (McDavid was 10-11 5×5 Corsi events against the big man) but his trio registered seven of Edmonton’s 10 high-danger scoring chances. They did not score, but the McDavid trio remains the Oilers’ feature presentation. McDavid looked like a rookie on the GA.
  • Mark Letestu and his group had some moments, but the wingers looked more effective to my eye. He was horrible on the power play (the entire 5×4 resembled Monty Python’s ‘race for people with no sense of direction’).
  • Matt Hendricks scored the goal, bled and worked his ass off. If you want criticism of this player, this blog does not offer you much in the way of cover.
  • Anton Lander is a man in a suit on an NHL roster.

INDIVIDUAL HIGH-DANGER SCORING CHANCES

  • 3—Connor McDavid, Jordan Eberle
  • 2—Zack Kassian
  • 1—Justin Schultz, Benoit Pouliot

The top line is indeed dominant, despite getting shutout last night. Leon’s line is working hard (although Hall was not working smart last night, at least a couple of times) but needs to find the range, and soon.

OILERS WINGERS, LAST NIGHT

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  • Zack Kassian had a very good night, I really enjoyed his game. He was 4-1 in 1:03 with Connor McDavid and also effective with Taylor Hall. I bet he scores on the home stand.
  • Taylor Hall is frustrated and trying to force things. How do I know? PIMS. I love this player’s talent, he is manna from heaven. However, his substantial skills are not a great match for Todd McLellan’s place and chase style. It robs him of his greatest asset—he can blue bayou almost every NHL defender. McLellan needs to (imo) relax the rules.
  • Jordan Eberle made a mistake on the GA, but you want the puck on the stick of your skilled men so I won’t bitch. He had all kinds of chances, and if the game had been called straight up would have drawn several more penalties. He brought a lot of effort last night.
  • Nail Yakupov did some nice things last night, worked hard and did his usual whirling dervish routine, but nothing cashed and people don’t really see it as effective. I am reminded of Derek Roy’s handling of this player (find open ice) and believe that may be the key for him. At 22, his brain is still racing, the coach who unlocks him will probably employ Roy’s idea of finding that one thing and having 10 devote himself to it. There is a successful NHL player here, but I do think a more mature organization will be the one to unlock him.

CROSSING JORDAN

  • Elliotte Friedman: “I thought there was a chance [Eberle] could be moved for a defenceman. I don’t think that’s going to happen. But the magic he has with Connor McDavid, I’m being told the Oilers are not going to be moving him before the deadline. So we can put all those rumors to bed.” Source

As I mentioned above, the play here is to trade the lottery pick in 2016 and then enter 2016-17 without a rookie (or with Brossoit and Slepyshev as the rookies). I don’t really believe Eberle (or Nuge) are out of the woods, Peter Chiarelli is going to add a Hamonic and a Lucic and the money has to come from somewhere. If we assume Eberle is safe, that means the available talent (greatest to lesser) at this point is:

  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  • First-round selection
  • Benoit Pouliot
  • Brandon Davidson
  • Nail Yakupov
  • Griffin Reinhart

Choose your poison, ladies and men. I invite you to my ‘trade the pick marching and chowder society’ meeting in June 2016.

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  1. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Trade the pick and a lesser DMan for a better Dman and a lesser pick. Focus UFA period onD as well.

    Focus of the draft should be skilled forwards. We have no prospects to fill scoring holes 3 to 5 years from now unless we count Joey Leggs as a forward.

    Don’t trade for other teams prospects. If we do, base it on how they’ve performed lately, not how they performed the year we scouted them for the draft.

  2. speeds says:

    Won’t be seeing me at the “trade the pick party”. Like anything it depends on the actual deal, of course there are potential deals where it would make sense, but as a general line of thought, don’t think I agree.

  3. Mr DeBakey says:

    Matt Hendricks scored the goal, bled and worked his ass off. If you want criticism of this player, this blog does not offer you much in the way of cover.

    I like Hendricks.
    I don’t think he’s an NHL- caliber Center.
    I believe he should be on the available talent list.

    Trade the 4th and Fayne for the 22nd and Hamonic.
    Trade the 22nd and Reinhart for the 42nd and Barrie.

  4. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    Won’t be seeing me at the “trade the pick party”. Like anything it depends on the actual deal, of course there are potential deals where it would make sense, but as a general line of thought, don’t think I agree.

    I will also be at the ‘three-for-one’ party, perhaps we can chat there. 🙂

  5. Ray says:

    Why not have Nurse on the list of available talent?

    If Hamonic is Nurse in four years isn’t there sense in making/considering that trade?

  6. speeds says:

    Lowetide,

    You can have an invitation to the offer sheet party, but I’m not sure what your response would be if someone invited you to a “trade Eberle for high pick, reallocate his money” party?

  7. p3rsonman says:

    I see the same things with Hall. He’s frustrated with himself for not scoring so he forces things, which we known seldom works. Its a positive feedback loop.

    I was at that game last night and I’ll say one thing – lots of fans don’t like Hall. Drai made some sketchy passes to him last night and Hall took the verbal blame for the giveaway.

    If Pouliot has a few more rough games with McD I’d throw Hall on that line for a few games to get him going. He can then go back to Drai and give him a boost too.

  8. Ray says:

    For the record, I’d trade the pick. ELC bonuses on the roster almost completely wipe out all the benefits of cheap contracts for the next year or two.

  9. kinger_OIL says:

    – This great write-up matches the bi-polar nature of being an Oil fan

    – LT says: “The Edmonton Oilers 2015-16 rookie class is ridiculous and should sustain this organization through 2030”

    – Then LT says: “The Oilers need a major re-stocking”

    – Or maybe I’m just missing the point and not understanding, which I do often, says my wife.

  10. speeds says:

    Ray,

    They mitigate them to some extent next year, but (a) whoever you draft may not make the team next year and (b) if they do and are successful as a player, you probably have a more valuable player than you might think now, and under team control for an additional 6 years – highly valuable.

  11. flyfish1168 says:

    I am not enamored with Harmonic as some people here. Yes he would help us and yes he is probably number 2 at this point if he was on our team. I have never seen him move the puck that well or be the difference on the offensive side. I feel he is not a top pairing for offensive production but is a top pairing for the defensive stuff he can do. So overall still a good d-man we can use but not at a cost of one of our top prospect that will exceed Travis in a couple of years. JMHO

  12. Jordan says:

    Peter Chiarelli is going to add a Hamonic and a Lucic and the money has to come from somewhere. If we assume Eberle is safe, that means the available talent (greatest to lesser) at this point is:
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
    First-round selection
    Benoit Pouliot
    Brandon Davidson
    Nail Yakupov
    Griffin Reinhart
    Choose your poison, ladies and men. I invite you to my ‘trade the pick marching and chowder society’ meeting in June 2016.

    The problem with that list isn’t who/what is on it – it’s the disconnect between the value of assets to other organizations and the value to the Oilers.

    Here’s my take on the value to the Oilers (highest to lowest)
    1 – Brandon Davidson (Contract, Position, Ability, Potential Upside)
    2 – Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (Ability, Position, Potential Upside, Contract)
    3 – Benoit Pouliot (Ability, Contract, Chemistry)
    4 – 1st Round Selection 2016 (Potential upside, Contract)
    5 – Griffin Rienhart (Position, Potential Upside)
    6 – Nail Yakupov (Potential Upside, contract)

    Here’s my take on the perceived value from other organizations of those same assets:
    1 – Ryan Nugent Hopkins
    2 – 1st Round selection 2016
    3 – Benoit Pouliot
    4 – Nail Yakupov
    5 – Griffin Reinhart
    6 – Brandon Davidson

    The assets that the Oilers want to trade are probably worth the least. The assets they want to hang on to are probably worth the most. Their most valuable asset may be sent away because the GM traded for one of their least valueble assets.

    That’s bad, and it puts the Oilers (once again) in a really bad spot.

    I don’t think the Oilers have the assets to get Hamonic. I am certain they will overpay if they do. Garth snow has shown he’s a really shrewd negotiator, and IMO he usually wins trades.

    He won the Reinhart trade hands down before we found out that Griffin wasn’t as NHL ready as we were told.

    Turns out while the Oilers were salting the earth, the rest of the NHL was getting better, and making the gap between okay and good that much wider. How big of a Mountain is it to climb back into a playoff spot for the Oilers? Well, you need to know how deep the hole is you’re digging out of first. I think many of us thought it was the great slave lake deep – 2,015 ft (614 m). It seems more likely that they’re actually working out of Mariana’s Trench – 36,070 ft (10,994 m).

    I’m sure looking forwards to seeing what this team looks and plays like in the new Arena. I’m really getting tired or groundhog day – We hoped for the best…but it turned out like always

  13. Lowetide says:

    Ray:
    Why not have Nurse on the list of available talent?

    If Hamonic is Nurse in four years isn’t there sense in making/considering that trade?

    I could have him on, but I don’t believe the Oilers would have him on the list.

  14. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    Lowetide,

    You can have an invitation to the offer sheet party, but I’m not sure what your response would be if someone invited you to a “trade Eberle for high pick, reallocate his money” party?

    I can’t, not anymore. This building the perfect beast stuff has gone on too long. Chiarelli doesn’t have that kind of time, either. Need to turn north.

  15. Lowetide says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – This great write-up matches the bi-polar nature of being an Oil fan

    – LT says: “The Edmonton Oilers 2015-16 rookie class is ridiculous and should sustain this organization through 2030”

    – Then LT says: “The Oilers need a major re-stocking”

    – Or maybe I’m just missing the point and not understanding, which I do often, says my wife.

    The Oilers currently have two mistresses:

    1. The Hall cluster
    2. The McDavid cluster

    Last draft and this, I think you serve the Hall cluster while also building a bridge to the McDavid cluster. After that, by 2017, you need some of these draft picks to pay off. Oilers won’t have an impact rookie next year unless they keep the pick.

  16. Ray says:

    speeds,

    Good point. I see it as a high risk/high reward scenario. It’s not that I don’t agree the potential value is there is that I wouldn’t want to take the risk of spending those cap dollars on another rookie in McDavids ELC window

  17. Woogie63 says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Matt Hendricks scored the goal, bled and worked his ass off. If you want criticism of this player, this blog does not offer you much in the way of cover.

    I like Hendricks.
    I don’t think he’s an NHL- caliber Center.
    I believe he should be on the available talent list.

    Trade the 4th and Fayne for the 22nd and Hamonic.
    Trade the 22nd and Reinhart for the 42nd and Barrie.

    Hendricks is a fine winger on this team, brings leadership, some bang, PK, vocal in a good way, these are all in short supply on this team.

    Korpikoski is a not a good NHL winger anymore, but is a great 13th forward on this team.

    Kahaira in the last quarter of a lost year is a great choice to play 3/4 Centre.

    I would like to see

    Hendricks – Khaira – Pakarinen

    bang and cycle for 20 games

  18. norm_klassen says:

    Nobody is gonna give us fair deal on trades to put the oilers over the top. A significant trade is required and shiny things needed to be patted with to balance this team. It may be years still before we get any better and it might need to come from within.

  19. kinger_OIL says:

    Lowetide,

    – I’m not breaking any ground by saying this but its truly astonishing that we are now onto our 2nd cluster/genration of high picks, and our cupboards are bare, and we can’t even play ELPH.

    – And we have Conner after all the gifts we have destroyed.

  20. Spydyr says:

    Want to restock…stop trading away your draft picks.

  21. Klima's_Bucket says:

    norm_klassen: Nobody is gonna give us fair deal on trades to put the oilers over the top.

    This.

    Do you really want to be the GM that gives up a top pairing Dman to the Oilers as the final piece to their dynasty?

    If the Oilers are after a big name D they are going to have to vastly overpay IMO to get it.
    Especially if that D is coming from the Western Conference.

  22. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    In terms of us having an empty cupboard, it’s pretty disappointing how the Reinhart trade is playing out. Not only is Griffin not an NHL-ready blue-liner, but if Mr. Willis’s recent article on the impact of a $4million cap drop is to be believed, the Oilers will likely be unable to play Griffin in the NHL next year due to bonus issues.

    And while I’m at it, if Nurse doesn’t suddenly become much better at making decisions, the team owes it to themselves (and Nurse) to send him down to the AHL where he can learn to dominate down there.

    *EDIT*
    Just so this doesn’t just look like a “woe is me” post… I am praying the Oilers do some of the following:
    – Either send Nurse down to the AHL where he can dominator OR bring in enough talent that Nurse isn’t a default Top-4 option (he needs to be sheltered on the 3rd pairing… also preferably not as the #5 blueliner)
    – Keep Reinhart in the AHL as long as it takes… please don’t rush him up just because he cost a lot of assets
    – At this point I’m liking Nail as a person more than the Oilers as a corporation, and I want them to mercifully just trade him to a team that will make better use of him… the way he thrived with Nelson, I’d like for Nail to end up with the Red Wings (or as others have mentioned, Washington where he could play with Ovi)
    – Keep Davidson. Please sign him to a multi-year and very cap friendly contract.
    – As much as the Jultz minutes and PP are driving me crazy, please keep the entire coaching staff together for the next couple of seasons.

  23. Water Fire says:

    I’m not convinced the problem is bad players now. It’s bad play. Sure another good D would improve the team but what will happen is the players that don’t get the job done as they want it will be moved.

    That doesn’t mean Hall because he is elite and the rules are different for players like that.

  24. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Hall was good for the first half but his play has slipped and his bad habits are back. He was brutal last night. He has played too long in this league to be making those mistakes over and over again. Guy is not good on the powerplay, he forces everything.

  25. Soup Fascist says:

    Maybe I am reading too much into one act – but when the Oilers came on to the ice before the game in the old “skate through the Derrick production”, every player but one went for a few laps, save one – Nail.

    Nail went straight to the bench and sat down slumped forward while his teammates were getting their feet moving. He looked like a beaten man. I honestly think the Oilers have lost this player. Whether it is fair or unfair, I think his deployment has totally removed whatever confidence he had.

    He is just a hot mess out there right now, IMO. I really like the kid as a citizen and think there is something there with all his talent, just not in this organization. For the first time since Yak has laced them up for the Oil, I am thinking it is time to cut him loose. That is the best thing for both. And truly, it pains me to say it.

  26. murphy says:

    A few notes on last night;

    -everytime i watch the jets (and i do often as i cheer for them against anyone but the oil) i am soo impressed with their big right handed players on d and up front. They have an abundance of what the oil exactly lack; big, skilled, fast, and physical right handed players. Big buff is obvious but how good did myers and wheeler look last night? They were both forces to be reckoned with and they finally made me realize that although skill is great, you have to have big skill to win in todays game. The oil absolutely need to trade some of their smaller skill for larger skill. Not all of it but at least one or two pieces. I don’t mean connor, hall, leon (whos kind of big), or pouliot but it most likely means eberle. Connor needs a big body to help free up some room for him out there.
    -purcell although he doesnt play big, looked great last night. They should find a way to keep him and cash yak or ebs for a bigger body.
    -trouba looked like a competent NHL D man, thats impressive compared to what we have. He reminded me a lot of a young petry actually. I would love to be able to cash a reinhart and yakupov in for him if the jets get strapped for cash.
    -i hope the jets sign ladd to free up a trouba or a big body up front.
    -speaking of size, ehlers looked great! Playing with wheeler lets him be free and gains him some extra space, great combo there with little (who is criminally underrated). Which proves not every forward needs to be big but you need a better balance than what the oil currently have.

  27. Soup Fascist says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: This.

    Do you really want to be the GM that gives up a top pairing Dman to the Oilers as the final piece to their dynasty?

    If the Oilers are after a big name D they are going to have to vastly overpay IMO to get it.
    Especially if that D is coming from the Western Conference.

    With all due respect, not sure one player – any player – turns this team in its current state into a dynasty. They are miles and miles away from being a contender to make the playoffs, let alone winning rounds.

    I know there is a lot of “talent” on paper, but something is rotten in Denmark with this bunch. This is still a very bad and inconsistent hockey team.

  28. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Oilers shouldn’t trade Nuge. They haven’t played one game this year with all three in the lineup. Chances are next year one of the big three centres will be injured for part of the season and we will need at least two good centres playing. The Oilers have ZERO centre depth past the big three! Maybe if the Oilers drafted some players instead of pissing them away on goalies and iffy defencemen we would be talking about more centres and Dmen ready to play for the big club. This team is 29th, draft and develop! Let the contenders give up picks for players.

  29. speeds says:

    Ray:
    speeds,

    Good point. I see it as a high risk/high reward scenario. It’s not that I don’t agree the potential value is there is that I wouldn’t want to take the risk of spending those cap dollars on another rookie in McDavids ELC window

    I don’t really see it as “high risk” if if’s a top pick – yes it’s possible that player could bust but I don’t think that would be the primary concern that most have.

    I think the concern most have is timeline to improve and contend, and I think they can get the best of both worlds by keeping the pick.

    Yes, having McDavid on an ELC should make things easier in terms of building an overall roster, but no matter what Edmonton’s management does there’s nothing that can guarantee a Cup in the next 2 years, while retaining the pick can help to spread out a window for continued success.

  30. sliderule says:

    Who are the best players on our team.

    Obviously our high draft picks with exception only of Yak.

    How long did it take for them to become our best players .

    About a year or less.

    Who have we been able to trade for Hendricks and Purcell are about the new only ones that are useful.

    No team is going to give the oilers fair value in a trade for the oilers top five pick.

    Remember when Fayne was signed and as he had played in top two for Devils we thought he could do same here.

    In a draft were the oilers will have a chance to pick Chychrun why let some team pawn off.a player who will have been protected like Fayne was to our unsuspecting management.

  31. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – This great write-up matches the bi-polar nature of being an Oil fan

    – LT says: “The Edmonton Oilers 2015-16 rookie class is ridiculous and should sustain this organization through 2030”

    – Then LT says: “The Oilers need a major re-stocking”

    – Or maybe I’m just missing the point and not understanding, which I do often, says my wife.

    Spydyr:
    Want to restock…stop trading away your draft picks.

    Sometimes I think an external voice is needed to try and clarify a POV.

    I think there’s a misreading going on here (I’m going to assume, for the sake of comity, a non-willfull misreading).

    It’s not mutually exclusive to note that a class of players (NHL prospects on verge of ticking over into no longer propects – LT’s marker of 50 games) is exceptional and likely to sustain the NHL team for years…

    and a similar yet distinct class of players (the general prospect list after removing likely prospect graduates) is poorly stocked.

    Nor is it mutually exclusive to suggest an NHL team needs to find non-prospect veterans for the NHL roster AND prospects to staff the depths of the organization more broadly.

    Why… because an NHL GM needs to worry about…

    1. Both now and tomorrow

    2. Both Jacks and Kings and 6s, 7s, 9s

    3. Both marquee players with big cap hits and modest players with value contracts

    And, finally… you re-stock your own cupboard not only to serve your own NHL team but to provide fodder for trades in the form of picks and prospects and NHL players.

  32. kinger_OIL says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Well put: I get it now. Just how much more suck is there in the pipe?

  33. mumbai max says:

    I find it strange that no one is commenting on the apparent reality that we have two real goalies, for now and the future. And at the right price!

  34. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Well put: I get it now.Just how much more suck is there in the pipe?

    The hopeful answer is “the balance of this season”

    Chia needs to find 2 top 4 D without spending from the NHL roster, or replacing whatever is lost from the NHL roster in some other manner (free agency etc.).

    The idea of re-stocking the prospect cupboard is a parallel project that I’d guess Chia is leaving largely to Green, Scott, MacTavish and Howson. They are likely looking very hard at euro, college and NA free agents, unsigned (or soon to be) prospects in other systems, prospects in other systems they might acquire, etc.

  35. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    mumbai max:
    I find it strange that no one is commenting on the apparent reality that we have two real goalies, for now and the future. And at the right price!

    you haven’t heard the old expression “never count your goalers!”?

  36. Doug McLachlan says:

    LT, there are 50pts left on the table this season. How many of them do we realistically think the Oil can collect? Is 16-9, for a final total of 82pts, out of the realm of the possible?

    The playoffs are a distant Bell, sure, but even after weeks like this last one I see flashes of hope amidst the chaos. Gords they were so putrid last season that a significant improvement only lifts them up to “bad”.

  37. John Chambers says:

    Brian Campbell is IMO the best UFA target. Why?

    Unlike Demers or Goligoski who will be looking for a lengthy contract, Campbell’s will max out at 2 years which will co-terminate with McDavid’s ELC. Campbell is still playing over 21 mins a night and based on point totals appears to skate and pass at age 36 as he has forever.

    I think we need to give up on the idea of adding only RHD. There are a lot more flexible options if you can live with the idea of playing Sekara on the right-hand side.

  38. Gret99zky says:

    Elliotte Friedman: “I thought there was a chance [Eberle] could be moved for a defenceman. I don’t think that’s going to happen. But the magic he has with Connor McDavid, I’m being told the Oilers are not going to be moving him before the deadline. So we can put all those rumors to bed.”

    This is precisely why the Oilers are NOT capable of a pump and dump. Or in this case, a pump to raise value and get a more valuable asset.

    They pump and fall in love.

    “The defense isn’t so bad now, just look at Jordan and Connor.”

    Also, I will be shocked if Chia manages to get Hamonic. He is going to Winnipeg. Somehow, some way.

    I don’t know how Chia is going to fix the D. Will someone offer a proven 1-2 NHL Dman for 2-5 overall pick? I doubt it.

  39. frjohnk says:

    Does a team need to big and outhit their opponent to win?

    A couple of teams such as LA and Boston would suggest yes.

    But then the Chicago Black Hawks say hi
    Since 2009-10, This team has taken 5702 more hits than they have given.
    And since the beginning of 2014, ( including playoffs) they have outhit their opponents 3 times out of 168 games. They are also one of the smallest teams.

    I believe there are more than just one way ( big, strong and skilled) to win.
    I believe a team can win with smarts, skill and balance

    What I’m getting at is that there is a pretty good nucleus of skill with the Edmonton Oilers. That nucleus is not a big or physical, but some would like to see it blown up. I say keep surrounding the nucleus and add with pieces that provide balance.

    How good would this team be if we could add 2 top 4 D without really subtracting from the main pieces of the roster?
    And remember that this team is still missing Klefbom and RNH.

    So take the team last night and add 3 top 4 D men and a number 1 center. Maybe it changes the outcome, maybe it doesn’t as its just one game. But one thing I’m sure of, is that over the course of a season, this team would be a whole lot better and most likely a playoff race.

    I don’t think we are that far away.

  40. Doug McLachlan says:

    mumbai max,

    Agreed. That is nice to see. Kid deserves another start – maybe with an NHL d-corps in front of him.

  41. John Chambers says:

    Gret99zky,

    The idea got thrown around yesterday of trading Nurse for Hamonic and ultimately this might be a smart but painful move.

    With Klefbom, Sekara, Davidson, and Reinhart on the left side, Nurse is expendable – and offers the Isles a value contract in Nurse’s ELC that they might need in return for Hamonic.

  42. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: The hopeful answer is “the balance of this season”

    The idea of re-stocking the prospect cupboard is a parallel project that I’d guess Chia is leaving largely to Green, Scott, MacTavish and Howson. They are likely looking very hard at euro, college and NA free agents, unsigned (or soon to be) prospects in other systems, prospects in other systems they might acquire, etc.

    This is a frustrating but true comment.
    – It is going to be mighty-tough signing any euro/college/NA free agents with 49 contracts in place.. if Chia wants some signings, he’s going to have to dump some contracts before the trade deadline.

    – Delegating this critical job to MacT (without babysitting) doesn’t seem very bright. People develop a history, and MacT’s history with prospects isn’t exactly amazing:
    (1) this is the same MacT who simply didn’t re-sign prospect Erik Gustafsson (who looks like he could have a career in Chicago)
    (2) this is the same MacT who was involved in the Reider for Kessey trade (Rieder has 32 points, which would put him on a 3-way tie for points on the Oilers team)

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I wouldn’t trust MacT to run the prospect acquisition pipeline.

  43. fifthcartel says:

    My hope is this is just them re-visiting moving Eberle in the summer because if their reason for keeping him is his play with McDavid, then that is super dumb. He might be able to put up 70+ points playing with McDavid, but moving him for a top-4 defensemen and findind a replacement winger is likely more beneficial than just keeping Eberle.

  44. blainer says:

    Soup Fascist:
    Maybe I am reading too much into one act – but when the Oilers came on to the ice before the game in the old “skate through the Derrick production”, every player but one went for a few laps, save one – Nail.

    Nail went straight to the bench and sat down slumped forward while his teammates were getting their feet moving. He looked like a beaten man. I honestly think the Oilers have lost this player.Whether it is fair or unfair, I think his deployment has totally removed whatever confidence he had.

    He is just a hot mess out there right now, IMO. I really like the kid as a citizen and think there is something there with all his talent, just not in this organization. For the first time since Yak has laced them up for the Oil, I am thinking it is time to cut him loose. That is the best thing for both.And truly, it pains me to say it.

    I totally agree. I have been saying this for the last couple of years.

    There is a major disconnect between Yak and his teammates.

    Not only are the best players not confident in passing him the puck but they just don’t seem to embrace him as part of the team..

    I guess the word might be Click.. he is not clicking with his teammates. IMO.

    I also think he may never recover with whatever team he goes to ala Gagner etc as I’m not really sure he is that talented other than his shot.

  45. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: The hopeful answer is “the balance of this season”

    Chia needs to find 2 top 4 D without spending from the NHL roster, or replacing whatever is lost from the NHL roster in some other manner (free agency etc.).

    The idea of re-stocking the prospect cupboard is a parallel project that I’d guess Chia is leaving largely to Green, Scott, MacTavish and Howson. They are likely looking very hard at euro, college and NA free agents, unsigned (or soon to be) prospects in other systems, prospects in other systems they might acquire, etc.

    Yes. And they would be wise to sign Josh Winquist to an NHL deal. A nice start.

  46. hunter1909 says:

    John Chambers: Nurse is expendable – and offers the Isles a value contract in Nurse’s ELC that they might need in return for Hamonic.

    Happy to read your refreshing take.

    Although, I’m waiting to read about Nurse’s character and other issues in the MSM before jettisoning my fan thoughts on a still not yet busted defence prospect.

  47. kinger_OIL says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    This is the disconnect: “Chia needs to find 2 top 4 D without spending from the NHL roster, or replacing whatever is lost from the NHL roster in some other manner”

    – Jultz/Korpi/Gryba/Yak/Purcell/Ferrence, and anyone else on this roster who we would like to replace or upgrade or trade aren’t getting you a top-4 D.

    – And Ebs is off the table, as is Nurse, and we need to restock the prospects: so we can’t trade picks. Davidson is going to be too good.

    – Slepyshev, Yakimov and Khaira can fill out the bottom of the roster, but then your playing a bunch of rookies, but that’s the lest of our concerns.

    – For real, if we got rid of Purcell, Pou, Korpi, Jultz for picks, buy out Ferrence, Nikitin gone, and then the salaries for next year, how much $ do we have to try and buy players, and how does the amount of $ we have compare with other teams?

  48. John Chambers says:

    fifthcartel:
    My hope is this is just them re-visiting moving Eberle in the summer because if their reason for keeping him is his play with McDavid, then that is super dumb. He might be able to put up 70+ points playing with McDavid, but moving him for a top-4 defensemen and findind a replacement winger is likely more beneficial than just keeping Eberle.

    Besides if he puts up 70+ points with McD his value will only increase.

    If Chiarelli can trade Nurse for Hamonic and sign a UFA Defenseman there’s no need to trade Eberle.

  49. blainer says:

    murphy:
    A few notes on last night;

    -everytime i watch the jets (and i do often as i cheer for them against anyone but the oil) i am soo impressed with their big right handed players on d and up front. They have an abundance of what the oil exactly lack; big, skilled, fast, and physical right handed players. Big buff is obvious but how good did myers and wheeler look last night? They were both forces to be reckoned with and they finally made me realize that although skill is great, you have to have big skill to win in todays game. The oil absolutely need to trade some of their smaller skill for larger skill. Not all of it but at least one or two pieces. I don’t mean connor, hall, leon (whos kind of big), or pouliot but it most likely means eberle. Connor needs a big body to help free up some room for him out there.
    -purcell although he doesnt play big, looked great last night. They should find a way to keep him and cash yak or ebs for a bigger body.
    -trouba looked like a competent NHL D man, thats impressive compared to what we have. He reminded me a lot of a young petry actually. I would love to be able to cash a reinhart and yakupov in for him if the jets get strapped for cash.
    -i hope the jets sign ladd to free up a trouba or a big body up front.
    -speaking of size, ehlers looked great! Playing with wheeler lets him be free and gains him some extra space, great combo there with little (who is criminally underrated). Which proves not every forward needs to be big but you need a better balance than what the oil currently have.

    This is exactly why I want us to draft Laine even if we win the Lottery AGAIN..

    6′ 4 and shoots RT.

  50. slopitch says:

    I’d keep Eberle on the trade list. But I’d be fine keeping him too.

    I wouldn’t trade the lottery pick.

    Yak looks completely lost.

    Sign Demers sure. But next year the D still doesn’t have a legit top pairing option (maybe Klefbom).

    I would have traded Nuge for Jones. Not many other options I can see to get a young top pairing stud. So might as well keep him and hope the pro scouts nail it (for once).

    It’s time to move out Purcell and Schultz. Restock the cupboards. David Savard seems like an ok target. It’s very hard to address need via free agency. The cupboards need to be stocked to open up trade options.

  51. John Chambers says:

    hunter1909: Happy to read your refreshing take.

    Although, I’m waiting to read about Nurse’s character and other issues in the MSM before jettisoning my fan thoughts on a still not yet busted defence prospect.

    Not hating on Nurse but I think the philosophy of icing the best team possible over McDavid’s ELC window is a sound one which means trading futures (ie Nurse), instead of a productive player like Ebs for a good defender in the here and now.

  52. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    fifthcartel, John Chambers,

    See this type of commentary is what i find fascinating about Eberle. The terms “with McDavid, Eberle “could be” a 70 point player,” are false. They are not actually true if people would just look at his production over his career.

    GP G A Pts
    2010-2011 69 18 25 43
    2011–12 Edmonton Oilers NHL 78 34 42 76
    2012–13 Oklahoma City BaronsAHL 34 25 26 51
    2012–13 Edmonton Oilers NHL 48 16 21 37
    2013–14 Edmonton Oilers NHL 80 28 37 65
    2014–15 Edmonton Oilers NHL 81 24 39 63

    Jordan Eberle is a consistent 65-70 point player already and has been since his sophomore year. With McDavid we aren’t talking about a 70 point player we are talking about an 85-90 point player who likely scores +35 goals. That is Sequin/Benn level. That is why the trade chatter has died down because you could potentially be trading away the absolute rarest of the rarest in the NHL, a top end goal scorer.

  53. blainer says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    fifthcartel, John Chambers,

    See this type of commentary is what i find fascinating about Eberle. The terms “with McDavid, Eberle “could be” a 70 point player,” are false. They are not actually true if people would just look at his production over his career.

    GP G A Pts
    2010-201169182543
    2011–12Edmonton OilersNHL78344276
    2012–13Oklahoma City BaronsAHL34252651
    2012–13Edmonton OilersNHL48162137
    2013–14Edmonton OilersNHL80283765
    2014–15Edmonton OilersNHL81243963

    Jordan Eberle is a consistent 65-70 point player already and has been since his sophomore year. With McDavid we aren’t talking about a 70 point player we are talking about an 85-90 point player who likely scores +35 goals. That is Sequin/Benn level. That is why the trade chatter has died down because you could potentially be trading away the absolute rarest of the rarest in the NHL, a top end goal scorer.

    Especially after watching that shoot out goal last night.

    That was just Elite. Not much room there on the shelf but he put it there.. amazing !!

  54. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Gret99zky: I don’t know how Chia is going to fix the D. Will someone offer a proven 1-2 NHL Dman for 2-5 overall pick? I doubt it.

    Well, if you start a “proven 1-2 NHL Dman” (depending on what you mean… yes)

    But… think this over…

    ~A more manageable goal might be top 4 x2

    ~the idea would be to structure a trade around the pick… hence LT’s mythical 3 for 1

    ~last year when we chatted about this, I liked to bring up J Bow for two reasons.

    1. He’s a more manageable comparable here… usually people blue sky too deep into the blue.

    2. the price was pretty much way lower than all the chatter about what a top 4 D costs. Blues gave up a conditional first (ended up being 22 OV, Emile Porrier), Cundari and Berra.

    that’s fucking peanuts.

  55. frjohnk says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    fifthcartel,

    See this type of commentary is what i find fascinating about Eberle. You say that with McDavid, Eberle “could be” a 70 point player.

    GP G A Pts
    2010-201169182543
    2011–12Edmonton OilersNHL78344276
    2012–13Oklahoma City BaronsAHL34252651
    2012–13Edmonton OilersNHL48162137
    2013–14Edmonton OilersNHL80283765
    2014–15Edmonton OilersNHL81243963

    Jordan Eberle is a consistent 65-70 point player already and has been since his sophomore year. With McDavid we aren’t talking about a 70 point player we are talking about an 85-90 point player who likely scores +35 goals. That is Sequin/Benn level. That is why the trade chatter has died down because you could potentially be trading away the absolute rarest of the rarest in the NHL, a top end goal scorer.

    yup.

    And Eberle has done this with Jultz as his number 1 D man.

    Woodguy ran the numbers, and during Halls time in the NHL ( same as Eberle) he has played with a top 4 D man something like 22% of the time. This is the worst in the league.

    Imagine if Eberle had Seabrook and Keith passing him the puck during those years.

    Or just an average defense.

    EBERLE IS A BONFIDE ELITE SCORING WINGER.

    I hope we see a healthy McDavid and Eberle duo with 4 top 4 D men on the team next year.

  56. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    HeatTreaterJoe: This is a frustrating but true comment.
    – It is going to be mighty-tough signing any euro/college/NA free agents with 49 contracts in place.. if Chia wants some signings, he’s going to have to dump some contracts before the trade deadline.

    – Delegating this critical job to MacT (without babysitting) doesn’t seem very bright.People develop a history, and MacT’s history with prospects isn’t exactly amazing:(1) this is the same MacT who simply didn’t re-sign prospect Erik Gustafsson (who looks like he could have a career in Chicago)(2) this is the same MacT who was involved in the Reider for Kessey trade (Rieder has 32 points, which would put him on a 3-way tie for points on the Oilers team)

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I wouldn’t trust MacT to run the prospect acquisition pipeline.

    ~ Contracts will get traded away and fall off by expiry. I wouldn’t worry too much over this.

    ~MacT actually has a pretty good record in this area. It was his job before he was GM and he created the position for Green after he moved up. The FA signings are much more plentiful and of higher quality since his tenure.

    ~EG was never signed.

    ~Rieder was Tambo

  57. frjohnk says:

    blainer: Especially after watching that shoot out goal last night.

    That was just Elite. Not much room there on the shelf but he put it there.. amazing !!

    And many of his goals during games are of this variety.

    Nobody on this team is even close to that. But I wouldn’t bet against McDavid.

  58. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    This is the disconnect: “Chia needs to find 2 top 4 D without spending from the NHL roster, or replacing whatever is lost from the NHL roster in some other manner”

    – Jultz/Korpi/Gryba/Yak/Purcell/Ferrence, and anyone else on this roster who we would like to replace or upgrade or trade aren’t getting you a top-4 D.

    – And Ebs is off the table, as is Nurse, and we need to restock the prospects: so we can’t trade picks.Davidson is going to be too good.

    – Slepyshev, Yakimov and Khaira can fill out the bottom of the roster, but then your playing a bunch of rookies, but that’s the lest of our concerns.

    – For real, if we got rid of Purcell, Pou, Korpi, Jultz for picks, buy out Ferrence,Nikitin gone, and then the salaries for next year, how much $ do we have to try and buy players, and how does the amount of $ we have compare with other teams?

    I think “disconnect” is the wrong word here.

    It’s a big fucking problem is what it is. It’s Chia’s problem to solve.

    No one is confused about that. There’s no disconnect.

    ~Also the Eberle noise was pretty specific that he’s off the table for the deadline. Which should be news to no-one. Trading him mid-season doesn’t make much sense for a variety of reasons.

  59. Big Dan says:

    Chiarelli can easily reverse mclellan’s questionable ice time decisions. I’m not sure why he is asleep at the switch.

    1. Send down korpikoski and call up pitlick. Both have hands of stone but pitlick brings speed and physicality.

    2. Send down nurse and call up Musil. Nurse needs to spend the rest of the year in Bakersfield.

    3. Accept Schultz has negative value and send him down. Clenending is better despite his bad penalty in New Jersey. So is mr.chaos Philip Larsen. I will never forget that night against Chicago, when he got 4 points and finished -4. At least he did something!

    4. Trade eberle for trouba. If the jets need a rhd, throw in fayne or Schultz. The benefit is two fold. It forces Mclellan to reunite yakupov with mcdavid.

    5. Trade klefbom for hamonic. We love klefbom but his injuries are a concern. Seize the opportunity to get a guy who can log the tough minutes on the right side. It also opens up a spot for nurse/Reinhart next year.

    I loved the smid trade at the time. While I knew broissoit was the real deal (so is Reinhart, just wait) … You all forget we still have horak’s rights. This guy has speed, hands, and defensive chops. His only weakness was he was 170 lb. has he put on weight this year? Get him to 190 and he is Fernando Pisani.

  60. Eastern Oil says:

    frjohnk,

    I replied to this quote because this is something I see with the Oilers time and time again. The Oil outchanced the Jets last night according to Staples with had many more high danger chances. Once the puck was moving in the right direction under control, I think we saw a lot of good opportunities.

    The problems always arose however when our D couldn’t safely regain the puck back in our end and turn the play the other way. Or make that first pass to hit our forwards.

    Watching Trouba, Buff and Myers lug the puck out at speed made me yearn for a competent, puck moving D-corps so we can really maximize the skill up front.

  61. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    frjohnk,

    Exactly 100% correct!

    One other thing that we constantly talk about on this blog is the lack or “gritty goals” being scored by our wingers, it usually then follows that Eberle is soft and never scores these goals. I’ll break out an oldie but a goodie by saying there is more than one way to skin a cat and just because Eberle doesn’t score Smyth or Holmstrom style gritty goals does not mean he doesn’t in fact score them.

    Eberle has a tremendous nose for the puck in tight around the net, a prime example came in the Columbus game where after some unbelievable work by McDavid on the far post he ended up cashing a goal from right along the goal line. Now this play was overshadowed by CmD’s lead up to the goal (and rightly so) but its important to remember that this is a common feature of Eberle’s play and has been for quite a while. Many of his goals are either bang ins or top shelf shots from a few feet off that far post. No they are not the exact same as Smyth tipping a shot or banging one in from his knees directly in the crease but these are still gritty goals, they are scored because the player has an intuitive sense of where a rebound or 2nd chance opportunity is going to occur. Ebs slick hands give him an added strength in this area simply due to the fact that he can elevate the puck so quickly in tight spaces which adds a huge layer of difficulty for the goalie trying to make the save.

    McDavid to has the same sort of nose around the net and save for an unlucky bounce on a centering pass by either Ebs or Pouliot last night late in the 3rd (McDavid pushed off Enstrom who then decided to chase the winger behind the net) we very easily could have been talking about a 2-1 regulation win. For these reasons alone I call it crazy to break up Eberle and McDavid at this point, their gravy is making highly skilled plays in close and tight around the net. It will give defense absolute fits as McDavid gets stronger because you won’t be able to control him in tight. By logic the more you try and account for that and cheat for McDavid the more open Eberle will become at that far post (and we have seen this on power plays already since CmD came back from injury).

  62. rickithebear says:

    Connor McDavid Mact/SM He won the Lottery/Was #1 on his list
    Leon Draisaitl MacT/SM
    Darnell Nurse MacT/SM
    (No. 1) Anton Slepyshev MacT/SM
    (No. 2) Griffin Reinhart MacT#16/PC/Green
    (No. 3) Laurent Brossoit MacT
    Anders Nilsson PC
    Brandon Davidson Tambo/SM
    (No. 4) Ethan Bear PC/Green
    Iiro Pakarinen MacT
    (No. 5) Bogdan Yakimov MacT/SM
    (No. 6) Jujhar Khaira Tambo/SM
    (No. 7) Caleb Jones PC/Green
    (No. 8) Kyle Platzer MacT/SM
    (No. 9) Ziyat Paigin PC/Green
    (No. 10) William Lagesson Mact/SM
    (No. 11) Joey Laleggia Tambo/SM
    (No. 12) Dillon Simpson Tambo/SM
    (No. 13) Greg Chase MacT/SM
    (No. 14) John Marino PC

    Peripheral:
    MacT arranged talbot Trade.
    Stated by slats. None on here lacks the character to steal the credit for PC.
    MacT is retained for superior Draft asset analysis.

    I have little dought Mact and the staff who drafted:
    Moton #103 08 6’2″ 20Min +11 D iN SEHL
    Hesketh #71 2009
    Bigos #99 2009
    ——————— clear change in D draft philosophy
    Marincin #46 2010
    Blain #91 2010
    Davidson #162 2010
    Klefbom #19 2011 #8 D in draft
    Musil #31 2011
    Simpson #92 2011
    Gernat #122 2011
    Gustafson #93 2012
    Laleggia #123 2012
    —————————- MacT GM
    Betker #158 2013
    Lagesson #91 2013
    ——————————

    PC boston Drafted D
    Alexandrov #37 2006
    T. Cross #35 2007
    Ruel #130 2007
    Goulet #159 2007
    Ostrcil #169 2007
    R. Button #86 2009
    Chudinov #195 2010
    Trotman #210 2010
    Hamilton #9 2011 #2 D in draft
    Ogara #151 2011
    Grzelyck #85 2012
    Benning #175 2012
    Arnesson #60 2013
    Sherman #150 2013
    Johansson #206 2014

    PC/ Mact draft advice retained.
    Caleb jones #117 2014
    E. Bear # 124 2014
    Marino # 154 2014
    Pyagin #209 2014

  63. v4ance says:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-the-last-days-of-babwatch/:

    RFA offer sheet compensation 2015, using 2016 picks:

    $1.2 mil or under …. nothing
    $1.2 – 1.8 mil …. 3rd rounder
    $18. – $3.6 mil … 2nd rounder
    $3.6 – $5.5 mil … 1st and 3rd rounder
    $5.5 – $7.3 mil … 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounder
    $7.3 – $9.1 mil …. two 1sts, 2nd and 3rd rounder
    $9.1 mil+ …. four 1st rounders

    Seeing as the cap will remain either flat or fall a little, the RFA compensation should be the same for this summer.

    I would like to point out that we owe the Bruins a second round pick for hiring Chiarelli. If we don’t give up the 2016 second rounder (around 35th overall right now), we have to give up the 2017 second rounder.

    With these facts in mind, the RFAs we can target in July will either cost under $1.8 million or between $3.6 -5.5 million. I don’t believe there are any RFAs deserving of an offer over $9.1million.

  64. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Eastern Oil,

    Very true and I noticed this as well. Oilers dmen lack a level of urgency in turning the puck north, which has the effect of neutralizing the potential of the team’s transition game. Constantly going back behind your net to setup a breakout is a recipe for disaster in today’s NHL because the defensive structure to limit the effectiveness of those types of breakouts is so well known. The same sort of problem was evident in the Devil’s game as well. Sit back, send one forechecker but the minute the Oilers regain control step back out of the zone and await the inevitable pass up the boards and back to the centre.

    You can play a 2-2-1 against it, a 3-1-1 against it or even a 2-1-2 and it is so easy to interrupt.

    Last night it was like clockwork as Buff or Trouba had to step up maybe 7 feet to catch an Oilers winger or centre in between the blue line and the red line with a check. In fact Buff got all of Eberle, Hall, CmD and Pouliot in those areas, putting them all on their backsides as he did it.

    I think this is part of why TMac handled Fayne the way he did earlier in the season. Even now Fayne’s gap control on rushes in and back pressure on Oiler rushes/neutral zone battles is atrocious. Sekera is better at it and Schultz and Nurse instinctively know how to do it (alas they usually do not make an accurate pass once they gain possession). The lack of structure and urgency in their neutral zone play is a very serious detriment to the Oilers, it takes away their skill and speed.

    There are games when flashes of the potential appear, (Ottawa, Columbus, Montreal earlier in the year come to mind) but there is still a hesitancy among the dmen to get involved and then make accurate passes on a consistent basis.

  65. Doug McLachlan says:

    v4ance,

    So does this make Barrie a legit Offer Sheet target or not?

  66. Adam Wu says:

    We need D. Every knows that.

    There are no free lunches, so we’re going to have to pay. D is important to everyone, and scarce, so we’re going to have to pay a lot. What can we pay with?

    We can pay with players in trade. That would mean Hall or RNH or Eberle or the 1OV pick as the centerpiece – we have nothing else valuable enough.

    We can pay with money via offer sheets and free agency. $5million plus, with term that won’t be favorable to us is probably the range.

    We can pay with time via internal development for Nurse, Klefbom, and Reinhart. That’s probably 2 more lost seasons.

    It’s a choice of one of these 3, or a combination thereof. We can debate the specifics, but its pick your poison more or less.

  67. sliderule says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Six rings was involved with Reider as he was looking very closely over Tambos shoulder.

    Every time I see Chia make a move like Korpikoski trade I get a funny feeling that he may still be lurking in the shadows..

  68. rickithebear says:

    PC and every Gm likes 2 way high shooting % wingers.
    Bowman likes Fwd Pairs and D pairs.

    Mcdavid (18yr season) – Eberle (25yr top 10 G and P producing FWD)
    You fucking trading Eberle you better be getting one of the 15 best D in the game.
    When klefbom was injured there were 2 D top 60 IN HDSCA60; PKGA; EVP
    Klefbom was one of the 2.
    WE MISS KLEFBOM.
    Trouba (22) (-.009 Comp) 11.67 HSCA60
    Rheinhart (22) (.-002 comp) 11.86 HSCA60 this kind of D gets Grffin sent to AHL.

    Trouba is a f………. joke for Eberle.

    If Brodin is available and we get F. Nielson for 3 yrs.
    See you RNH!

  69. kinger_OIL says:

    rickithebear,

    Ricki if you are right and Trouba = Griff, then how bout:

    Sekera- New Guy (good RHD, PP#1)
    Klef-Griff
    Fayne-Davidson/Nurse

  70. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    sliderule:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Six rings was involved with Reider as he was looking very closely over Tambos shoulder.

    Every time I see Chia make a move like Korpikoski trade I get a funny feeling that he may still be lurking in the shadows..

    I see no reason to discount Chia’s own statements on Korpi.

    I think we need to really get past KLowe complaints re: Chia.

  71. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: ~ Contracts will get traded away and fall off by expiry. I wouldn’t worry too much over this.

    ~MacT actually has a pretty good record in this area. It was his job before he was GM and he created the position for Green after he moved up. The FA signings are much more plentiful and of higher quality since his tenure.

    ~EG was never signed.

    ~Rieder was Tambo

    Thanks on the clarification on the Rieder… it was a weird period of time where a lot of things (both good and bad) were being attributed to MacT and I’m finding it hard after the fact to keep things straight. Another item that was sometimes attributed to MacT (but sometimes to Tambo) was the signing of Jultz.

  72. Fog of Warts says:

    Is 16-9, for a final total of 82pts, out of the realm of the possible?

    Absolutely, if Connor had the other Jesus touch. After his own injury, he didn’t exactly seal off the LTIR man-cave with a giant boulder, then emerge good as new three days later.

    One really has to marvel at the real Jesus’ post-mortality immune system, ’cause I really don’t think Doubting Thomas practiced proper surgical hygiene before he wiggled his finger around in there.

    Completely cured! In just three days! Well let’s have a look-see with my dirty finger …

    ———

    Jesus has returned to heaven, and is just settling in during heavenly-ascension frosh week.

    Jesus: Father, I’d to have a word with you.

    God: What is it, my son?

    Jesus: You know, I do understand the whole deal, even if—just for a moment there under darkening skies—I questioned your everloving sanity—but what I really want to know is this: just what is this thing you have with the number forty?

    God: You’re been back for two whole days and already we’re discussing jersey numbers? I think you caught me off guard. Well, it’s a pretty good number, all things considered, but do count on a epic rough patch.

    Jesus: Oooooh, no. Jersey numbers will have to wait until I can sit in one position with only minor excruciating discomfort for, like, five whole minutes at a time.

    I was thinking along the lines of Moses, Jonah, Judah, Elijah, my own little arid feast with the devil, and last but not least, thirty-seven days of galloping gangrene after I’m already dead! Morning, noon, and night there I’m going simply mad inside my own head while trying to maintain an appropriate visage of post-resurrection splendor, awe, and majesty and all I want to do is yell out “Would somebody please pass me some ***-damn vinegar!”

    God: Really? Never tried it myself, but I suspect that would smart something truly awful.

    Jesus: Possibly even more than the first time? Is that even a possible thing?

    God: So it wasn’t until after Doubting Thomas gives you the finger noodle that you fingered me back?

    Jesus: Precisely.

    God: Soooo, it wasn’t just the pain? Guess we established that on the cross. But it was something to do with the forty days?

    Jesus: Oh, now you’re getting warmer, Dad.

    God: What I’m hearing from you, is that you think I lingered on your final ascension a little longer than necessary?

    Jesus: Yeah, so just what is it with you with this forty business?

    God: Uh, urrr, you know, it’s pretty much always been the standard-issue survivable ordeal. One just can’t dish these things out arbitrarily. People expect structure.

    Jesus: So my little post-resurrection PR junket was yet another personal ordeal?

    God: My goodness, after what you’d already been through, I hardly thought you’d notice. Didn’t give it all that much thought, to be honest.

    Jesus: Like gangrene hadn’t been invented yet. As if you hadn’t personally invented it?

    God: Well, it was quite a long time ago, and I was in a bit of different place back then, I’ll be the first to admit. Why didn’t you just lay a hand on it? You know, I didn’t send you down there with nothing at all to see you through.

    Jesus [In a piercing tone of voice that echoes all the way down to 20th century England]: Just lay a hand! On one of the Five Holy Wounds! Efface the Holy Lance just like that! And then what do I show the next Thomas? A birth mark? Forty neat little surgical stitch marks?

    God: Definitely not stitch marks. And no metal lugs, either.

    Jesus: Metal lugs?

    God: You know, I might have given up floods, but your old man has still got lightning. And it weirds them all out something fierce. Kick back for another thou, and watch the fireworks.

    Jesus: Okay then, “lugs” coming to a troubled Christian era near you. This is nice, a little father–son prophetic shop talk. Count me in! I’m all ears.

    God: Enough with the sarcasm. You know, you really didn’t have to let it fester to quite that degree. You’re a well-known healer, you could certainly have fluffed it, no harm done.

    Jesus: After all that, I’m going to “fluff” my final appearance?

    God: Your primary work was done. Believers gonna believe. Relax a little, would you? It’s all pretty much hearsay soup anyway, beyond those few critical first accounts.

    Jesus: Right. Done! Be there, done that. Done. Totally done. Done like dinner. Totally—

    God: —enough already.

    Jesus: Just a quick visit, flaunt a few non-survivable flesh wounds, wave of the hand, a few scattered toodles, exit stage right, and Bob’s your uncle, you’re in heaven now.

    God: Bob is dead to us, you know that. Don’t try to get my goat, I don’t like it.

    Jesus: But nooooo … my job is alllll done, then another forty miserable days.

    God: This conversation is now officially going nowhere. In due time, we’ll discuss transference.

    Jesus [arches somewhat bushy eyebrows at God—royal lineage notwithstanding, a gesture of extreme futility; lurking discretely nearby, St Peter almost giggles]: Due time?

    God: After “lugs”.

    Jesus: Right then. After “lugs”. Think I’m going to need a notebook around these parts.

    God: You do that. For a few days, I think it will help you take your mind off.

  73. TheOtherJohn says:

    Oilers 29th in the NHL* Toronto has three games in hand and is 1 pt behind us.

    With proven NHL coaching and a GM that assembled a team that won a SC

    No clue how Chia thought this D was remotely close to being NHL capable. Reinhart is “more NHL ready” whoever sold Chia that narrative should be fired. Yesterday

    Rom
    This is the disconnect: “Chia needs to find 2 top 4 D without spending from the NHL roster, or replacing whatever is lost from the NHL roster in some other manner”

    Agree completely with Rom just am unsure how exactly that is done. Would love to do that. Just not sure how we add 2 top 4 D for nothing but $$. Other problem with that idea is that the competent D you may be able to add by FA expect to be paid. That is they generally are looking for a good pay day. I’d add Campbell and Hamhuis on short contracts in the offseason but it would cost $$ in a year the cap may go down. If I’m Campbell I’d stay in Florida for weather, no state taxes and their team that is at least as promising as the Oilers. Expect Hamhuis would want one last contract so that will cost $$. Which, again, will be short supply.

    It’s my opinion Oilers have 1/2 NHL. Caliber goalers – Talbot. A nice prospect in Brossoit and nothing else. They have 2 D capable of top 4 minutes: Klefbom and Sekera and then they have a pile of 5/6/PB.with time Davidson and Nurse may develop into being able to play capable top 4 minutes. I expect that may take 2-3 years. I do not see any other D prospects in the system knocking on the door. We have 3 very good prospects at C. Better than anyone else in the NHL. And CMD is the best prospect in the league. We have 3 W capable of playing top 6 minutes.Hall who is a beast, Poo and Eberle. I am sure I am mistaken but I see no one in the system that is knocking on the door for top 6 minutes on the W in junior or the AHL. To those of you that say Slepyshev, he is scoring at a .36 ppg in the AHL. I have not mentioned Yak because his development has been nonexistent and I want him to succeed.

    All of the above leads me to believe that expecting to fill holes on the back line with FA signings is very tough in a shrinking cap world. There are few prospects in the system that are not on our roster. I hope Chia is capable of “beating” people on trades because absent that I see slow incremental growth from our young inexperienced D as Hall and Nuge’s value contract run out and we have to start paying LD and CMD.

    Would I trade Nuge or Eberle? Yup. Willingly? Nope but if I filled In a hole or got cheaper comparable players back— yes. I would trade Nuge for Couturier because of the salary saved. Not because I want to trade Nuge. If I could fill in a hole in our backend by trading Eberle I’d do that too. As to his other worldly scoring, I suspect we will see an awful lot of players that will score 60 pts playing W with CMD.

    Unduly pessimistic—- probably but largely because the Oiler Hall cluster is built around W-C-W (the later W has been a failure to date) on a team with a bad D and no goaltending prospects. And pro and amateur scouting has been BAD

  74. Norman Greenbaum says:

    Fog of Warts,

    Forty days to see if you’re the Messiah.

    200 games to see if you’re an NHL defenseman.

    A whole damn career to prove you’re one of the best right wings in the game.

    Thomas’s finger gets everywhere.

  75. 719 says:

    Friedman’s exact quote was that Eberle would not be moved before the trade deadline.

    I think Chiarelli is looking at all options this summer. McDavid, Drai and Hall won’t be moved, but beyond that he will consider the options presented to him.

  76. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    HeatTreaterJoe: Another item that was sometimes attributed to MacT (but sometimes to Tambo) was the signing of Jultz.

    That one is much trickier.

    ~ Tambo was notably NOT part of the team that went to Toronto to pitch to Schultz

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=636294

    MacTavish was… and, of course, MacTavish is linked to Schultz because of his Norris speech.

  77. 719 says:

    Eastern Oil:
    frjohnk,

    The problems always arose however when our D couldn’t safely regain the puck back in our end and turn the play the other way.Or make that first pass to hit our forwards.

    Remember when Chia and McLellan said you don’t have to be big but you have to be tough on the puck? This is one of the reasons why Chiacgo is so successful, they are strong on the puck. They get it back when they don’t have it. You do not have to be big to do that, but you do need to have the will to do it. I think far too many Oilers do not want the puck bad enough, or are just not capable of retrieving it.

  78. 719 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    frjohnk,

    Eberle has a tremendous nose for the puck in tight around the net

    Have to agree with you, the man gets the puck, even in the defensive zone. Yes he is sometimes physically removed from it, but he has a tenacity to engaged in board battles and win.

  79. 719 says:

    rickithebear,

    I personally feel very comfortable with MacT’s drafting and scouting skills. He makes mistakes sure, but every scout does. He has found some gems.

  80. rickithebear says:

    Adam Wu: There are no free lunches, so we’re going to have to pay. D is important to everyone, and scarce, so we’re going to have to pay a lot. What can we pay with?

    Yeah! that Klefbom being one of only 2 D top 60 in HSCA60; PKGA; EVP when he got injured.
    one of the 2 best even D in the game is.
    Well!
    Missed!

    Who were suggesting Klefbom for harmonic.

  81. mustang says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    fifthcartel, John Chambers,

    See this type of commentary is what i find fascinating about Eberle. The terms “with McDavid, Eberle “could be” a 70 point player,” are false. They are not actually true if people would just look at his production over his career.

    GP G A Pts
    2010-201169182543
    2011–12Edmonton OilersNHL78344276
    2012–13Oklahoma City BaronsAHL34252651
    2012–13Edmonton OilersNHL48162137
    2013–14Edmonton OilersNHL80283765
    2014–15Edmonton OilersNHL81243963

    Jordan Eberle is a consistent 65-70 point player already and has been since his sophomore year. With McDavid we aren’t talking about a 70 point player we are talking about an 85-90 point player who likely scores +35 goals. That is Sequin/Benn level. That is why the trade chatter has died down because you could potentially be trading away the absolute rarest of the rarest in the NHL, a top end goal scorer.

    BINGO, agree 100%. Move Pouliot and sign Lucic to play the left side and watch that line go supernova. Add Hamonic and Shattenkirk and the first year in the new arena will be pretty enjoyable.

  82. McSorley33 says:

    Our new Administration specifically brought in Mark Letestu and Korpse.

    Specifically brought in Gryba.

    Both Letestu and Korpse actually get PP time.

    Grossly overpaid for Reinhart, who was going to step right into the NHL.

    If someone can’t unseat a member of this D core it is not a good sign.

    But they are going to fix our D this summer, right?

    Like the previous regime, new management has earned our place in the standings.

    We actually traded for Laurie Korpikoski……

  83. TheOtherJohn says:

    mustang,

    Why would you sign Lucic at $6m+ for a L winger when Poo is $1.5m cheaper per & has a history of good possession #’s and has10 pts in last 7 games

  84. Mr DeBakey says:

    TheOtherJohn: Why would you sign Lucic at $6m+ for a L winger when Poo is $1.5m cheaper per & has a history of good possession #’s and has10 pts in last 7 games

    MOAR Grit.

  85. rickithebear says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: That one is much trickier.

    ~ Tambo was notably NOT part of the team that went to Toronto to pitch to Schultz

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=636294

    MacTavish was… and, of course, MacTavish is linked to Schultz because of his Norris speech.

    Damn straight!
    Schultz was part of MacT.

    Mac is here to Counter PC’s craptastic drafts.

  86. Optimism is Foolish says:

    v4ance,

    Offer sheets are a vastly under used tool in the NHL. There are some very nice names that will probably sign for a 2nd round pick range. Admittedly most of these names will be signed long before free agency, however the oil could stock up on draft picks at deadline time to try for who is left.

    Trouba could be signed for around the 5.5/year and I think a first and third is cheap for this player.
    Barrie will likely be in the first, second and third range ( Colorado has 20 mil cap space but has to resign half their forwards including MacKinnon)
    Shaw, Vataneen, Sheahan are a few that would be of interest.

    My thinking here has alot to do with draft picks being a crap shoot with generally small % chances of a player having 200 plus NHL games. This takes alot of risk out of the equation.

  87. rickithebear says:

    What do we give up to Get 4yr of Hamonic?

    Not our 7 best shooters.
    Hall
    Draisatl
    Mcdavid
    Ederle
    RNH
    Pouliot
    Kassian

  88. Big Dan says:

    rickithebear,

    I love klefbom too but he can be awesome 50 games per year for somebody else. He and hamonic are close to equal and the difference is made up by the fact hamonic plays the right side.

  89. Norman Greenbaum says:

    Optimism is Foolish: Offer sheets are a vastly under used tool in the NHL.

    First of all, love the handle.

    So, it happens I looked into this. A cursory search on wiki reveals that since 1986, 34 offer sheets have been made. 12 have been accepted, but only one since 1997. I think this tells us something. 1 in the last 10 offer sheets have been accepted. And if you’ve ever been to southside IHOP, you’ll know who that was.

    Under used tool or not worth bothering with?

  90. Norman Greenbaum says:

    rickithebear: What do we give up to Get 4yr of Hamonic?

    Rights to Yakimov and Omarks burnt stick.

  91. Optimism is Foolish says:

    Norman Greenbaum,

    hehe penner and his pancakes still makes me laugh. With the cap remaining static or maybe dropping this would be an ideal time to target teams that have little wiggle room. Also the stats from google might be misleading as teams will use an offer sheet as leverage to trade and that won’t show up.
    Chicago has 8 players to sing and 11 mil in space, kings need 6 players but have less than 10 mil, Detroit needs 10 players but only has 11 mil in space …. These are the teams that can be targeted.

  92. Norman Greenbaum says:

    Optimism is Foolish,

    True that the economics of today may well kick start the offer sheet process.

    Chicago with nearly a third of the cap in two players. Sheesh. Though they do draft and develop those value contracts well.

  93. Adam Wu says:

    Big Dan:
    rickithebear,

    I love klefbom too but he can be awesome 50 games per year for somebody else.He and hamonicare close to equal and the difference is made up by the fact hamonic plays the right side.

    If they are equal then trading them is a lateral move that doesn’t move the needle enough by itself. You fill one hole but open up another on the L D. It may be a smaller hole because we have prospects coming up on that side, but neither Nurse nor Reinhart nor anyone else we have will likely be able to take Klefbom’s place within 1-2y, so now we have to go looking for yet ANOTHER top 4 D.

  94. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Pysyk was a healthy scratch friday and only played 13 mins today.

    Schultz or Reinhart straight across? I like him

  95. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Klefbom played 69 games last year + games in the press box. 65 the year before, again moving up and down from the farm. Hamonic’s missed 28 games the past 2.5 seasons, should EDM avoid him? Freak staph infection

  96. Lackadaisical says:

    I’m concerned about some of TMac’s choices for the team.

    TOI for some of the D, PP deployment of the D, guys we can’t afford to get hurt blocking shots on the PK, I believe there was stated unwillingness to try Unicorns in hopes of finding an edge, strict adherence to his place and chase system instead of matching his system to the player types.

    Only concerns, but I’m curious how you guys would weigh in. How much of this should be attributed to this year being a write off?

    Or, if it is your position, why aren’t you concerned?

  97. Eastern Oil says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!,

    Well said. This is why I’m somewhat hesitant to trade Nurse as I see the same ability in him (rangy, skating, mean streak) in him. But I know it’s 2+ years out and we’ve wasted McD’s ELC.

    I’d love a Klef-Sek and Davidson-RH veteran (#3/4) with Nurse as 5/6. Not an elite D but may be attainable while keeping forwards intact.

  98. Woodguy says:

    The Oilers have 2 Actual NHL Top 4 Dmen – Sekera and Klefbom

    If you trade one for another Actual NHL Top 4 Dman you will still have two and still need to acquire two more.

    The team needs 4.

    Math.

  99. mustang says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    mustang,

    Why would you sign Lucic at $6m+ for a L winger when Poo is $1.5m cheaper per & has a history of good possession #’s and has10 pts in last 7 games

    Lucic is a first line left winger who would compliment 97&14 like no other winger in the NHL. First off he also has a history of good possession numbers(just to satisfy your possession fetish). Secondly he would add two inches in height and 20 pounds to both players, I know it’s cliche phrase but it’s true.Would you sooner get into a battle with a mouse or a lion? I want to win this battle, I like Pouliot but I would prefer him on the 3rd line at about 2 mill less but that can’t happen. So he needs to go in this senario. Not to mention Lucic actually has won a stanley cup and knows what it takes to win. We can stay the same and lose or get some balance to this roster and move this fucking team in the right direction.

  100. Woodguy says:

    The title of this post is Tape-Tape.

    That’s something only Sekera, Klefbom and Davidson can actually do on a regular basis.

  101. Water Fire says:

    We need to remember that this isn’t the same brain trust running things. Chiarelli can clearly play a long game as he is doing with Snow. He has patience and is thinking years ahead.

    It is completely possible the Eberle talk is part of the long game as much as they want him forever. We won’t know until there is some trade history.

    Trading the pick can only be thought of in context of the return as any trade. Unless the return is significant they should keep it with a mind to the future. The availability and asks of UFAs also play heavily into this.

    Before anointing CMD and Eberle the anointed pairing I want to see what Eberle does against a good team that plays him heavy. He has had battle the past two games but Connor needs a winger that will play the hard game every game no matter who it is. Eberle does not have a history of this.

  102. LadiesloveSmid says:

    mustang,

    Pouliot’s on a 55P pace, I would also like him at $2M less. I’d like him at $2M, McDavid’s next contract at $2M, and to pick up Lucic in FA for $2M.

    Do people think Pouliot is a 2M player?

  103. Woodguy says:

    Connor McDavid has a 66.7%CF when playing with Davidson and a 48.2% without.

    I’m sure some of that is QC, but youwza!

  104. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy,

    also 46% away from Pouliot!

  105. Woodguy says:

    Here’s Davidson’s CF% WOWY. LIst sorted by TOI together:

    GRYBA, ERIC 6.1
    HALL, TAYLOR 0.6
    DRAISAITL, LEON 3.1
    LETESTU, MARK 1.1
    PURCELL, TEDDY 6.7
    EBERLE, JORDAN 1.5
    NUGENT-HOPKINS, RYAN 1.1
    POULIOT, BENOIT 4.4
    HENDRICKS, MATT 2.8
    KORPIKOSKI, LAURI 4.6
    PAKARINEN, IIRO 15.1
    SCHULTZ, JUSTIN 5.6
    YAKUPOV, NAIL 7.2
    LANDER, ANTON 16.3
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR -2.7
    SEKERA, ANDREJ -2.8
    KASSIAN, ZACK -0.1
    MCDAVID, CONNOR 18.5
    REINHART, GRIFFIN 12.1

    For a rookie Dman 40 games into his NHL career, that’s phenomenal.

    Interesting that he drags Sekera and Klefbom a bit.

    I think this may show he’s not ready for constant top 4 work, or at the very least putting him (or the other two) on the right side hampers results.

    Kid is a keeper

  106. mustang says:

    Big Dan:
    rickithebear,

    I love klefbom too but he can be awesome 50 games per year for somebody else.He and hamonicare close to equal and the difference is made up by the fact hamonic plays the right side.

    I love Klef as well, but his health worries me, so I would think about running this snow’s way. What would we need to add to that to get Lee as a third line centre as well? I would like to see RNH #2 C with Drai and Hall.

  107. Woodguy says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Woodguy,

    also 46% away from Pouliot!

    Poo doesn’t stink.

  108. smellyglove says:

    My prime frustration with the Oilogosphere is its reluctance to trade one of the golden boys for team success. Eberle/Nuge, Yak, and Hall should all be on the table to shore up the D or add more depth to the team, even if they don’t end up with the best player in the deal.

    Sorry folks who are living in the Edmonton media bubble: Gagner, HOPE (Hall, Omark, Paavjari, Eberle), + have not and will not lead the Oilers to the promised land. The hockey club and *its* media has created a myth that these young saviours are the way forward, which has been perpetuated by the repeated bottom five runs and corresponding high draft picks.

  109. sliderule says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    As long as Lowe has an office at Kingsway you better beleive I think he has at least some influence on Chia from at least an advisory point of view.
    Once he retires to Kelowna I will relax.

  110. mustang says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    mustang,

    Pouliot’s on a 55P pace, I would also like him at $2M less. I’d like him at $2M, McDavid’s next contract at $2M, and to pick up Lucic in FA for $2M.

    Do people think Pouliot is a 2M player?

    I personally prefer Hall at 6M on the second line with RNH and Dri. I like Hall at 1.5M more than Poo at 4.5M. 55 point pace that’s great maybe we can get some value for him then.Maybe we can ship him at the draft for Shattenkirk and add value as needed.

  111. Snowman says:

    Woodguy:
    The Oilers have 2 Actual NHL Top 4 Dmen – Sekera and Klefbom

    If you trade one for another Actual NHL Top 4 Dman you will still have two and still need to acquire two more.

    The team needs 4.

    Math.

    Math is hard for a lot of people.

  112. Snowman says:

    mustang: I personally prefer Hall at 6M on the second line with RNH and Dri. I like Hall at 1.5M more than Poo at 4.5M. 55 point pace that’s great maybe we can get some value for him then.

    The point you’re missing is that Lucic isn’t $2M better than Pou. His high water mark for scoring is 62. And he’s a few years past that. He’s not worth $6M. He’s got a big reputation and he punches people on a regular basis so people think he’s some wonderful extremely gifted power forward… except he’s not actually better than Pou. He just is meaner and Bruin-ier and heavier (actually heavier).

    Poulliot outscores him at even strength per 60. Pou has good posession numbers. Pou is a fantastic forechecker.

    Lucic is overrated and Pou is underrated. Not to mention Pou can skate with some speed.

    So with Lucic you get at least an additional $2M in cost, lesser scoring at even strength, a similar amount of stupid penalties, a slower skater and 33 extra pounds.

    I’m not sure how that is worth $2M in extra cap. Sure you get more face punching/60 but I don’t think you actually get a better player.

  113. Bruce McCurdy says:

    mustang: I personally prefer Hall at 6M on the second line with RNH and Dri. I like Hall at 1.5M more than Poo at 4.5M. 55 point pace that’s great maybe we can get some value for him then.Maybe we can ship him at the draft for Shattenkirk and add value as needed.

    pouliot is at a $4.0 MM cap hit, not $4.5.

    5 years, $20 MM. As free agent “overpays” go that’s a real nice figure.

  114. Lowetide says:

    smellyglove:
    My prime frustration with the Oilogosphere is its reluctance to trade one of the golden boys for team success. Eberle/Nuge, Yak, and Hall should all be on the table to shore up the D or add more depth to the team, even if they don’t end up with the best player in the deal.

    Sorry folks who are living in the Edmonton media bubble: Gagner, HOPE (Hall, Omark, Paavjari, Eberle), + have not and will not lead the Oilers to the promised land. The hockey club and *its* media has created a myth that these young saviours are the way forward, which has been perpetuated by the repeated bottom five runs and corresponding high draft picks.

    I will never understand modern usage of sorry. Does it mean fuck you?

  115. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    The Oilers have 2 Actual NHL Top 4 Dmen – Sekera and Klefbom

    If you trade one for another Actual NHL Top 4 Dman you will still have two and still need to acquire two more.

    The team needs 4.

    Math.

    Yes. And reason No. 1 that posts that begin ‘Brandon Davidson for’ angry up the blood. Heaven sakes people, I trust Davidson more than Nurse, Reinhart and all of the kids. Why for are we trading our new trustworthy fellow?

  116. mustang says:

    Bruce McCurdy: pouliot is at a $4.0 MM cap hit, not $4.5.

    5 years, $20 MM. As free agent “overpays” go that’s a real nice figure.

    My mistake Bruce, yes 4M still like hall on the 2L LW spot better and Have Lucic on the first.

  117. Snowman says:

    Lowetide: Yes. And reason No. 1 that posts that begin ‘Brandon Davidson for’ angry up the blood. Heaven sakes people, I trust Davidson more than Nurse, Reinhart and all of the kids. Why for are we trading our new trustworthy fellow?

    Because we can’t have nice things.

  118. Snowman says:

    mustang: My mistake Bruce, yes 4Mstill like hall on the 2L LW spot better and Have Lucic on the first.

    Explain why Lucic and Hall is better than Pouliot and Hall?

    I don’t think you can without using a word like grit, toughness, punch, fight, or eye glow.

    Lucic is going to be overpaid. I hope we’re not the ones signing the check.

  119. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Lowetide: I will never understand modern usage of sorry. Does it mean fuck you?

    I think it’s sometimes used like the expression “no offence, but…”. When somebody says that, they’re about to say something pretty offensive.

    I think it was from a comedy routine, but when somebody starts a sentence by identifying themselves as a taxpayer, they’re about to act like a real a-hole.

  120. mustang says:

    Snowman: The point you’re missing is that Lucic isn’t $2M better than Pou. His high water mark for scoring is 62. And he’s a few years past that. He’s not worth $6M. He’s got a big reputation and he punches people on a regular basis so people think he’s some wonderful extremely gifted power forward… except he’s not actually better than Pou. He just is meaner and Bruin-ier and heavier (actually heavier).

    Poulliot outscores him at even strength per 60.Pou has good posession numbers. Pou is a fantastic forechecker.

    Lucic is overrated and Pou is underrated. Not to mention Pou can skate with some speed.

    So with Lucic you get at least an additional $2M in cost, lesser scoring at even strength, a similar amount of stupid penalties, a slower skater and 33 extra pounds.

    I’m not sure how that is worth $2M in extra cap. Sure you get more face punching/60 but I don’t think you actually get a better player.

    I said why I like Lucic on this team, I prefer him to 67 everyday of the week and twice on Sat. night! You don’t have to like him and what he could bring to this team and that’s fine. I bet 97 and 14 would.

  121. Mr DeBakey says:

    Snowman: Lucic is going to be overpaid. I hope we’re not the ones signing the check.

    If the Cap drops to $67.4, there is no way Lucic fits.
    Even with Pouliot’s $4.0 gone.

  122. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: I will never understand modern usage of sorry. Does it mean fuck you?

    Yes. See also the more (even) irritating “sorry, not sorry”

    But, also “Actually,”

  123. frjohnk says:

    Lucic at $6.5M?

    or Pouliot at $4M with Kassian at $2.5M?

    I like Lucic, but does $6.5M even get his attention to come here?

    In a salary cap world Id rather have Pouliot/Kassian as these 2 are nice options in the top 9.

  124. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    sliderule:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    As long as Lowe has an office at Kingsway you better beleive I think he has at least some influence on Chia from at least an advisory point of view.
    Once he retires to Kelowna I will relax.

    I entirely agree with that.

    “at least some influence on Chia from at least an advisory point of view”

    So, the question becomes… is that enough of an influence for us to really pull our hair out?

    I just don’t see it. It’s a symbolic target (albeit a giant one) at this point.

    Put another way… if we make a list of people with decision making and/or advisory power regarding hockey ops… how many people should we worry over before we get to Lowe? And, why aren’t we worrying about them more by way of actual power/influence?

  125. AsiaOil says:

    I will restate what I said last night – the Oilers top 6 is a flawed construction and not even 2 new dmen will fix it.

    The top 6 was getting pushed around by Buff and the other big WIN dmen and this is just a meaningless regular season between two team who won’t make the playoffs. Watching Buff repeatedly squish Ebs like a bug on the window was painful. The Oiler top 6 would never survive a serious stretch drive, let alone one series against a team this size, let alone multiple series. Nobody in the top 6 imposes themselves on the opposition. Pou is gritty (but not imposing). Hall is Anderson not Messier – his slashing and tripping isn’t intimidating anyone – but at least he’s not a wall flower. Drai and McDavid are rookies who will be able to take care of themselves eventually – but again – are never going to impose themselves physically. The rest of the top 6 are nice young men you would like your daughter to date. That isn’t winning you anything in April let alone June. It’s a challenge to be a real contender with two finesse guys in the top 6 (and they better be hard on the puck Kane/Hossa good) let alone 4 like the Oilers have at this point. Everyone with a grain of sense knows they are one dimensional and super easy to play against – but no one want to part with their precious talent – but they either make some hockey trades and bring in some hairy-assed men with talent – or content themselves with making pretty plays every third game when they play chumps like TOR who will let them wheel around like ice capades.

    You trade Ebs after pumping him like mad because he can’t score against bigger, tougher teams – I’ve shown the numbers over the past 2 season this week this week and it’s real. Feel free to show me other numbers that disagree – I’m more than willing to debate. Ebs will beat up the chumps like the rest of the Oilers top 6 can – but that’s good for show and zero for dough. Yak is done on this team but he could actually have the game to fight through in a playoff series – too bad – he’s done. McDavid and RNH are my finesse players in the top 6 – everyone else better be tough as nails regardless of size – but bigger is better.

    Hall RNH Drai
    Pou CMD xxx (Okposo would be nice)
    xxx xxx Kassian
    Hendo Testube Pak Kaira

    That’s a start at having a tough team to play against. Add a couple of dmen and you might be in business.

  126. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I’d happily wager that most Lucic fans throughout the league who don’t cheer for teams he’s played for have a very limited take on the player.

    The problem with fantasy players (which can also be good players) is that you don’t have to deal with the stupid penalties and the games where he looks pouty, uninterested, etc. You know… reality.

  127. Eastern Oil says:

    Lowetide,

    Sorry LT and the horse you rode in on!

    I kid of course.

  128. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Can’t we all just agree we’d rather see the Kings trade Lucic’s rights to Vancouver where he signs on with the Dys for a hometown 8 x 7Mill contract where he can mentor the next wave of underachievers like Virtanen & Sbisa?

  129. Eastern Oil says:

    frjohnk:
    Lucic at $6.5M?

    or Pouliot at $4M with Kassian at $2.5M?

    I like Lucic, but does $6.5M even get his attention to come here?

    In a salary cap worldId rather have Pouliot/Kassian as these 2 are nice options in the top 9.

    I agree, although I think Lucic has more offence than he gets credit for (relative to #grit) Poo + Kassian with McD needing a contract in 2 years is money better spent.

  130. smellyglove says:

    Lowetide,

    No, it means that while I respect the views of those names, I hold a different opinion.

    Most every hockey pundit outside of Edmonton has been saying the same thing for 2-5 years; issues with the structure of the team, problems with the core, and the need to trade something of high value. It’s a treadmill and a comedy of tragedy.

    I don’t think many followers of the team or those in Edmonton would disagree, but their recipe includes more patience and leaving the core intact.

  131. Woodguy says:

    AsiaOil,

    I like big wingers too but let’s not forget that the inability to move the puck quickly to the forwards, who would then have speed through the neutral zone is a big reason they get stopped at the blue line often.

    The transition game is shit and even Crosby and Ovechkin have trouble gaining the zone without speed.

    Competent Dmen would help that a ton.

  132. Doug McLachlan says:

    Lowetide,

    It does sound that way, doesn’t it.

    That said, the idea of paying a dear price to fix an obvious hole is not a new one. The challenge, as always, is getting value for cost.

    Hamonic (which almost everyone agrees is an off-season move) will be expensive in terms of assets because the skill-set for contract cost is so favourable.

    I’m interested to see what else might be on offer in terms of high end D. I suspect that a Barrie or Trouba will be too expensive and are still not quite what we need.

  133. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy:
    The Oilers have 2 Actual NHL Top 4 Dmen – Sekera and Klefbom

    If you trade one for another Actual NHL Top 4 Dman you will still have two and still need to acquire two more.

    The team needs 4.

    Math.

    That’s why they should trade Hall or Eberle to the Ducks for Lindholm or Vatanen and Nurse for Hamonic.

    Better to trade Nurse than Klefbom if trading is the route they choose.

  134. Adam Wu says:

    smellyglove:
    My prime frustration with the Oilogosphere is its reluctance to trade one of the golden boys for team success. Eberle/Nuge, Yak, and Hall should all be on the table to shore up the D or add more depth to the team, even if they don’t end up with the best player in the deal.

    I think you are misreading the Oilogosphere. I suspect almost everyone here is willing to consider parting with ONE of the “golden boys”, but there isn’t any agreement of which one. Thus, whenever any one of them is specifically brought up as a potential trade chip, you’ll get vociferous disagreement, and you get the same vociferous disagreements no matter which one is brought up. But it is a different set of voices for each one (with some overlap).

  135. Lowetide says:

    Eastern Oil:
    Lowetide,

    Sorry LT and the horse you rode in on!

    I kid of course.

    Haha!

  136. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    I’d happily wager that most Lucic fans throughout the league who don’t cheer for teams he’s played for have a very limited take on the player.

    The problem with fantasy players (which can also be good players) is that you don’t have to deal with the stupid penalties and the games where he looks pouty, uninterested, etc. You know… reality.

    I am a Bruins fan, love Lucic. Do NOT want him on the Oilers. Why? When he fades, it will be quick.

  137. highgloveside says:

    I disagree LT, I think Davidson is a great piece to trade to get a top pair dman. If a team is giving up a top pair dman, they want at least a good d prospect back to eventually fill the hole. If you have Kelfbom, Sekera, Nurse and your acquired top 4 dman then Davidson can’t move up from 3rd pairing.

    I could see a Davidson and Pouliot for Harmonic in the summer. That also saves the Oilers $1.25 to put towards a Lucic/Brouwer winger or Yandle for your PP QB.

    Klefbom-Harmonic
    Sekera-Yandle
    Nurse-Gryba

    The Oilers defense problems would be solved for a decade with a group like that

  138. AsiaOil says:

    Completely agree but Oilers fans appear to see the present day NHL as they would like it to be rather than what it is. Free wheeling offensive games never happen against the best teams who bring size, talent and strong systems to snuff it out. CHI is the only possible exception – except – their relatively smaller dog is a pit bull in terms of tenacity, they play an air tight system when needed, and they are fabulously skilled. The existing Oilers fail on 2 of those 3 counts. The Oilers existing top 6 is not big enough, tough enough, experienced enough or disciplined enough to win – and their “talent” will not make up for that. We need another much bigger, aggressive RW – plus another bigger 3rd line center and a big winger to go along with him and Kassian. Then we are talking. RNH and CMD are the only finesse players in the top 6 if you actually want to do anything against the elite teams of the west – otherwise – enjoy another year out of the playoffs and the occasional stunning display of talent against the leagues worst teams. Look we are so talented – we just annihilated Toronto and Columbus…..

    Woodguy:
    AsiaOil,

    I like big wingers too but let’s not forget that the inability to move the puck quickly to the forwards, who would then have speed through the neutral zone is a big reason they get stopped at the blue line often.

    The transition game is shit and even Crosby and Ovechkin have trouble gaining the zone without speed.

    Competent Dmen would help that a ton.

  139. TheOtherJohn says:

    I would be willing to trade Hall but it would have to be a very very good player coming back. Doughty, Subban Karlsson maybe and I’d be worried about the miles on Doughty’s odometer.

    Have no clue why Edmonton would sign Lucic as a FA. None. At 4-5 years at $6-7m that’s an albatross contract at the back end of the deal.

    Yandle is going to sign for $6m per this summer.

  140. Lowetide says:

    Miller from Klinkhammer and Khaira. JJ Khaira is having himself a run.

  141. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: I am a Bruins fan, love Lucic. Do NOT want him on the Oilers. Why? When he fades, it will be quick.

    Yea. And you’re also an Oilers fan. Love Hall.

    And, you’re stuck hearing endlessly how pouty he is, undisciplined, not a leader, etc.

    Players on other teams that you only see in highlights and on the occasional road game can easily become faultless.

    The point being simply… people that want to get rid of Pouliot or whomever because they can only see his faults anymore and can’t see the value he brings are NEVER going to be satisfied with incoming talent.

  142. fifthcartel says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Pouliot is on a 55 point pace right now too so I don’t even get the idea of trying to get rid of him, he’s a really solid player and I wouldn’t even consider his contract an overpayment.

    Also, I was looking at free-agent defensemen and Brian Campbell looks like he is having a really good season.

    Chiarelly really needs 1 via trade and 1 via signing (Campbell, Demers, Goligoski, Hamhuis).

  143. highgloveside says:

    LT, If the Oilers could sign a player like Backes, wouldn’t that be a much better fit for 3C than Nuge. I like Nuge but if you want center depth, a guy with size and grit with simailar production would be a better fit and you could use Nuge in a package for a Vatanen/Barrie type of trade?

    Even a Nuge package for Dubinsky and Hartnell?

    Unless Hall-Nuge-Draisaitl can really come together I don’t see Nuge as the right mix and could be used to fill bigger needs.

  144. Woodguy says:

    http://oilersnation.com/2016/1/26/how-does-benoit-pouliot-compare-to-his-peers-around-the-nhl

    Jon puts the “Pouliot is not a top 6 player” to rest.

    He’s comfortably a top 6 producer and if you use 5v5 pts/60 he’s a top liner.

  145. Lowetide says:

    highgloveside:
    LT,If the Oilers could sign a player like Backes, wouldn’t that be a much better fit for 3C than Nuge.I like Nuge but if you want center depth, a guy with size and grit with simailar production would be a better fit and you could use Nuge in a package for a Vatanen/Barrie type of trade?

    Even a Nuge package for Dubinsky and Hartnell?

    Unless Hall-Nuge-Draisaitl can really come together I don’t see Nuge as the right mix and could be used to fill bigger needs.

    No. Backes is 31, and is off his normal production this year. I think his gritty style would have been a good fit in the past, but we are likely to see a decline (and more accurately, are likely already seeing it). I do not disagree with the overall idea though.

  146. Woodguy says:

    highgloveside,

    The two most productive lines for the Oilers this year:

    Hall-RNH-DrySaddle

    Pouliot-McDavid-Eberle

    Why are you assuming RNH would be 3C?

    McLellan is smarter than that.

  147. JDï™ says:

    I’m sorry, Ray…

    Ray Ferraro ‏@rayferrarotsn 8h8 hours ago

    Ray Ferraro Retweeted Edmonton Oilers

    Oiler fans don’t get in a lather here, but Brossoit sure has big, square shoulders-pickup pace on new gear please

  148. Zelepukin says:

    highgloveside: Unless Hall-Nuge-Draisaitl can really come together I don’t see Nuge as the right mix and could be used to fill bigger needs.

    Ya like defense. Filling 3C with Backes is not a priority and to be honest, I’d seriously question Chia’s understanding of the problems with this team if addressing the D is not 1st priority.

  149. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy:
    highgloveside,

    The two most productive lines for the Oilers this year:

    Hall-RNH-DrySaddle

    Pouliot-McDavid-Eberle

    Why are you assuming RNH would be 3C?

    McLellan is smarter than that.

    Well, at least we hope he’s smarter than that. His line pairings and movement haven’t showed us that being the case.

  150. Professor Q says:

    JDï™:
    I’m sorry, Ray…

    Ray Ferraro ‏@rayferrarotsn 8h8 hours ago


    Ray Ferraro Retweeted Edmonton Oilers

    Oiler fans don’t get in a lather here, but Brossoit sure has big, square shoulders-pickup pace on new gear please

    What does he even mean?

    I noticed the interesting shoulder pads Brossoit has, too. Very thin, yet with the multiple Y-pads.

  151. JDï™ says:

    Professor Q,

    I think he’s saying that LB is cheating with his pads.

  152. hankster says:

    This all day. Don’t be frustrated. Not everyone has equal hockey knowledge. Eberle is gagner with better finish. He isn’t the one who can tough out playoff hockey where there’s less room for skilled guys. Every team needs one finesse player who can score like Eberle but the oilers has too many finese players.
    Ifind this blog entertaining but you’re unlikely going to change people’s minds about their favorite player.
    Yak still hasn’t learn how to progress to the NHL game. He does have more ability to weather a few playoff series due to his stockier frame. Pointless to get dragged into the yak vs eb argument. Never mind the balance of better D, we need a better balance in our forwards.
    Fix the mix !

    AsiaOil:
    I will restate what I said last night – the Oilers top 6 is a flawed construction and not even 2 new dmen will fix it.

    The top 6 was getting pushed around by Buff and the other big WIN dmen and this is just a meaningless regular season between two team who won’t make the playoffs. Watching Buff repeatedly squish Ebs like a bug on the window was painful. The Oiler top 6 would never survive a serious stretch drive, let alone one series against a team this size, let alone multiple series. Nobody in the top 6 imposes themselves on the opposition. Pou is gritty (but not imposing). Hall is Anderson not Messier –his slashing and tripping isn’t intimidating anyone – but at least he’s not a wall flower. Drai and McDavid are rookies who will be able to take care of themselves eventually – but again – are never going to impose themselves physically. The rest of the top 6 are nice young men you would like your daughter to date. That isn’t winning you anything in April let alone June. It’s a challenge to be a real contender with two finesse guys in the top 6 (and they better be hard on the puck Kane/Hossa good) let alone 4 like the Oilers have at this point. Everyone with a grain of sense knows they are one dimensional and super easy to play against – but no one want to part with their precious talent – but they either make some hockey trades and bring in some hairy-assed men with talent – or content themselves with making pretty plays every third game when they play chumps like TOR who will let them wheel around like ice capades.

    You trade Ebs after pumping him like mad because he can’t score against bigger, tougher teams – I’ve shown the numbers over the past 2 season this week this week and it’s real. Feel free to show me other numbers that disagree – I’m more than willing to debate. Ebs will beat up the chumps like the rest of the Oilers top 6 can – but that’s good for show and zero for dough. Yak is done on this team but he could actually have the game to fight through in a playoff series – too bad – he’s done. McDavid and RNH are my finesse players in the top 6 – everyone else better be tough as nails regardless of size – but bigger is better.

    Hall RNH Drai
    Pou CMD xxx (Okposo would be nice)
    xxx xxx Kassian
    Hendo Testube Pak Kaira

    That’s a start at having a tough team to play against. Add a couple of dmen and you might be in business.

  153. Evilas says:

    mustang,

    From the previous post, here are my thoughts

    At the draft:
    I think Eberle is an excellent player, but I move him before RNH, it makes zero sense to move our Datsyuk, when the other centers have less than 100 GP of NHL experience…. that being said Ebs should be the piece to acquire Hamonic. I strongly believe Hamonic is one of the top 30 Dmen in the NHL right now (not elite, but still one of the best puck-moving defensive Dmen).

    I propose Eberle + Musil + 2016 1st for Hamonic + Anders Lee (NYI to retain $1,000,000 for 2 yrs) + 2016 & 2017 2nd.

    At the deadline or the draft: Fayne, Korpikoski and Yakupov to NJ for Damon Severson, Reece Scarlett (young RD), Ryan Clowe’s Contract, NJD to retain $1,000,000 (it is an albatross for 2 years, but it runs out in time for McDavid’s next contract, plus there could be a buy-out option due to the Canadian dollar) and a 2nd round pick

    Purcell for a 2nd or 3rd round pick
    Schultz for a 3rd
    Hendricks for a 3rd or 4th
    Gryba for a 5th or a 6th
    Letestu for a 5th or 6th
    Ference (cap relief) to Arizona for a 7th

    UFAs:
    1. Stamkos max offer $8.5 million x 5yrs (he wants to play with McDavid)
    2. Stewart $2 million x 2 yrs – he has speed and skill and is more productive than Kassian, but at the same price point

    Additional thoughts -I do not target Shattenkirk or Vatanen due to price point, Klefbom will become what they are, Severson will increase his production on this roster at a fraction of the cost

    Brandon Davidson is found money, he does not get moved, this would be a serious mistake

    Lucic is too much would want too much term and in 2-3 years he will be worn down as this is typical with his player type, Pouliot is an incredibly effective forward (he is our forward version of Davidson)

    I thought that moving Klefbom, given his injury history would be a good move, but the guy is ONLY 22. Even 60 games/year is valuable, I don’t move him, he is needed. Maybe if Nurse and Reinhart become effective, he can be moved after a couple of years and if the injuries continue.

    _______________________________________
    FORWARDS
    B. Pouliot (4,000,000) — C. McDavid (3,867,500) — S. Stamkos (8,500,000)
    T. Hall (6,000,000) — L. Draisaitl (3, 492,500) — R. Nugent-Hopkins (6,000,000)
    C. Stewart (2,000,000) — A. Lee (2,750,000)— Z. Kassian (1,925,000)
    A. Slepyshev (1,525,0000) — B. Yakimov (842,500) — I. Pakarinen (871,750)
    DEFENCE
    O. Klefbom (4,167,000) — T. Hamonic (3,857,142)
    A. Sekera (5,500,000) — D. Severson (605,833)
    D. Nurse — (863,333) B. Davidson (731,250)
    GOAL
    C. Talbot (4,166,666) — L. Brossoit (725,083)
    Extras
    J. Khaira (875,000)— G. Reinhart (863,333) — T. Pitlick (837,375)
    LTIR
    R.Clowe (3,850,000)

    Total Cap: $68,816,265 – still not under the potential $4,000,000 cap drop, I know, but if the cap drops, you have to figure there will have to be a buy-out option.

  154. theres oil in virginia says:

    JDï™:
    Professor Q,

    I think he’s saying that LB is cheating with his pads.

    3 of the NHL’s 4 pressure gauges showed the pads to be under-inflated.

  155. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy:
    http://oilersnation.com/2016/1/26/how-does-benoit-pouliot-compare-to-his-peers-around-the-nhl

    Jon puts the “Pouliot is not a top 6 player” to rest.

    He’s comfortably a top 6 producer and if you use 5v5 pts/60 he’s a top liner.

    Thank you.

  156. Pouzar says:

    JDï™:
    Professor Q,

    I think he’s saying that LB is cheating with his pads.

    He shoulda said “I’m sorry…”

  157. Professor Q says:

    JDï™:
    Professor Q,

    I think he’s saying that LB is cheating with his pads.

    Which is ridiculous. I saw him with his jersey off after the game and the pads looked ridiculously thin.

  158. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    hankster:
    This all day.Don’t be frustrated.Not everyone has equal hockey knowledge. Eberle is gagner with better finish. He isn’t the one who can tough out playoff hockey where there’s less room for skilled guys. Every team needs one finesse player who can score like Eberle but the oilers has too many finese players.
    Ifind this blog entertaining but you’re unlikely going to change people’s minds about their favorite player.
    Yak still hasn’t learn how to progress to the NHL game. He does have more ability to weather a few playoff series due to his stockier frame. Pointless to get dragged into the yak vs eb argument. Never mind the balance of better D, we need a better balance in our forwards.
    Fix the mix !

    I love how the exception that you’ve quoted Asiaoil as making is without question the best team in the NHL over the last six years. This is beyond ridiculous when you have to disqualify the oilers from trying to copy the current dynastic team in the NHL in order to .

    In case the bigger is better crowd hasn’t noticed Anaheim, St Louis, and Nashville haven’t won a Stanley Cup, why because Chicago’s skilled forwards are too busy scoring on them for it to matter how often they get hit. LA won its first Cup as an 8th seed and loaded up on skilled players for their second. Scoring does matter, skill does matter, let’s not pretend it doesn’t.

    In fact while some keep salivating over hits there was a quote earlier today pointing out that Chicago has taken something like 2000 more hits than they’ve given since 2010. Haha ya skilled forwards are a waste, need to hit, moar bigger! That’s the way to win Stanley Cups

  159. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    hankster:
    This all day.Don’t be frustrated.Not everyone has equal hockey knowledge. Eberle is gagner with better finish. He isn’t the one who can tough out playoff hockey where there’s less room for skilled guys. Every team needs one finesse player who can score like Eberle but the oilers has too many finese players.
    Ifind this blog entertaining but you’re unlikely going to change people’s minds about their favorite player.
    Yak still hasn’t learn how to progress to the NHL game. He does have more ability to weather a few playoff series due to his stockier frame. Pointless to get dragged into the yak vs eb argument. Never mind the balance of better D, we need a better balance in our forwards.
    Fix the mix !

    I love how the exception that you’ve quoted Asiaoil as making is without question the best team in the NHL over the last six years. This is beyond ridiculous when you have to disqualify the oilers from trying to copy the current dynastic team in the NHL in order to make a case.

    In case the bigger is better crowd hasn’t noticed Anaheim, St Louis, and Nashville haven’t won a Stanley Cup, why because Chicago’s skilled forwards are too busy scoring on them for it to matter how often they get hit. LA won its first Cup as an 8th seed and loaded up on skilled players for their second. Scoring does matter, skill does matter, let’s not pretend it doesn’t.

    In fact while some keep salivating over hits there was a quote earlier today pointing out that Chicago has taken something like 2000 more hits than they’ve given since 2010. Haha ya skilled forwards are a waste, need to hit, moar bigger! That’s the way to win Stanley Cups

  160. Professor Q says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!: I love how the exception that you’ve quoted Asiaoil as making is without question the best team in the NHL over the last six years. This is beyond ridiculous when you have to disqualify the oilers from trying to copy the current dynastic team in the NHL in order to make a case.

    In case the bigger is better crowd hasn’t noticed Anaheim, St Louis, and Nashville haven’t won a Stanley Cup, why because Chicago’s skilled forwards are too busy scoring on them for it to matter how often they get hit. LA won its first Cup as an 8th seed and loaded up on skilled players for their second. Scoring does matter, skill does matter, let’s not pretend it doesn’t.

    In fact while some keep salivating over hits there was a quote earlier today pointing out that Chicago has taken something like 2000 more hits than they’ve given since 2010. Haha ya skilled forwards are a waste, need to hit, moar bigger! That’s the way to win Stanley Cups

    Los Angeles was at the top of the NHL for most of that season. They weren’t really 8th-seed calibre; that was a fluke.

    They dominated every other team that year.

  161. AsiaOil says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    CHI is not an exception as I clearly stated that their model requires a level of tenacity and discipline from their smaller guys that theIr Oiler counterparts have never shown.

  162. Zelepukin says:

    hankster: Eberle is gagner with better finish. He isn’t the one who can tough out playoff hockey where there’s less room for skilled guys.

    Neither of these points make any sense, for the obvious being that Ebs has zero NHL playoff experience so I’m not sure how you know he can’t tough out playoff hockey? Although, he was a ppg WHL playoff player and voted the best Canadian WJC player of all time, so I guess that could mean something if you want to evaluate a player’s playoff prowess.

  163. hags9k says:

    I think Nurse will be too good. People seem down on him now and I get that, he’s struggling, but I still see too much upside to send him away now. 20. Deep end of the pool, he’s treading ok. He’s going to get a lot better.

    When he comes into his own, so will the team.

  164. BONVIE says:

    highgloveside:
    I disagree LT, I think Davidson is a great piece to trade to get a top pair dman.If a team is giving up a top pair dman, they want at least a good d prospect back to eventually fill the hole.If you have Kelfbom, Sekera, Nurse and your acquired top 4 dman then Davidson can’t move up from 3rd pairing.

    I could see a Davidson and Pouliot for Harmonic in the summer.That also saves the Oilers $1.25 to put towards a Lucic/Brouwer winger or Yandle for your PP QB.

    Klefbom-Harmonic
    Sekera-Yandle
    Nurse-Gryba

    The Oilers defense problems would be solved for a decade with a group like that

    So your going to move out Shultz and bring in an older slower version of him. Yandle needs so much protection even the Rangers had difficulty providing it this year, and somehow you traded out one of our best Dman in Davidson Ii have him as our second best right now, just an excellent Dman.

  165. KozyMel says:

    SERIOUSLY??? You put Dillon Simpson on your list??? He can barely skate at the AHL level never mind the NHL level. In spite of 9 points he’s still -3!!

    Then you totally disrespect David Musil who has been the Condors best “pure defenceman” in a while. David spends most of his time playing baby sitter to Hunt. Musil, by the way, also has 9 points but is +2!!! ….

    Maybe you should subscribe to the Condors web feed and watch some of these guys ……..

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