G62 2015-16: OILERS AT KINGS

The Edmonton Oilers have had a busy week: Awful home game, GM pulling the chute, coach doing a scene from Network, and with the recall of Jujhar Khaira last night, the swallows are ready to return to Capistrano.

I DON’T WANT TO SET THE WORLD ON FIRE, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1
  • Oilers in January 2015: 5-7-1
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-5-2
  • Oilers in February 2015: 5-6-1
  • Oilers in February 2016: 3-7-1
  • Oilers after 61 in 2014-15: 17-34-10, 44 points (-66 GD)
  • Oilers after 61 in 2015-16: 22-33-6, 50 points (-36 GD)

The goddams are crashing as the Oilers do their annual fire drill, basically the ‘six-inch valley through the middle of my skull’ portion of the Springsteen songbook. No Thunder Road, no highway to freedom, no last chance power drive. At least one of the Oilers who got on the plane to LA, is likely to go out for a ride and never come back. Question: Will this Oilers team beat Dallas Eakins 2013-14 club in points? It could be close. Oilers won a year ago, 2-1 over the Wild. Last year’s team will climb within four points of this bunch with a win tonight.

This hasn’t been in the news much at all, so much, much more might not be warp speed, but we will see. I assume the Oilers kicked the tires on Jonathan Drouin, and maybe Yak was part of that conversation. After that? Playoff teams looking for goals may include Anaheim, Carolina, Detroit, Florida, Los Angeles, Pittsburgh, St. Louis. Also, Oakland.

Teddy Purcell seems a good fit with most teams, certainly the eastern clubs where speed isn’t quite as important (fast trains in the west). I think Purcell is both the most likely to be dealt and the most likely to get premium value. The question I have? Does Edmonton get a pick, or an AHL role player, or a prospect out of the CHL? They can use all three.

It can turn into a fourth-round selection if Larsen is productive (Bob McKenzie had that portion of the deal, he used the phrase ‘specified production thresholds’). It is a fascinating deal, one that the Canucks may win if Larsen can deliver enough offense to outrun what we perceive to be his negatives without the puck. From an Oilers point of view, this is an asset acquired for a player they were unlikely to employ in the future. Fun times.

I have written at length about this very subject leading up to the deadline, and have it covered in many areas:

The AHL looks are here:

 The NHL look is here:

Part one of the hinterlands is here

There are 120 or so names on those lists, and I am confident none of them are heading to Edmonton. Still, it was a fun trip, hope you enjoyed it. IF by chance the Oilers do acquire one of the names, expect several weeks of ridiculous posts informing you over and over again. Al Gore made me do it!

I like Beaulieau and Eller, but the Nuge has far more value than this implies. One of the really heartening things to come out of this current dive? The Nuge’s value is obvious. I am not certain Peter Chiarelli was unaware of that, but if he is watching the games now then point made.

DEFENSE, 2015-16

OILERS DEFENSE OVER SEASON

In my mind, anything lower than 25.00/60 SC against is a good number, meaning Brandon Davidson deserves his own planet and Oscar Klefbom is bona fide. Those two men should be front and center when we talk about next year’s Oilers blue—ideally manning the lefty side of the second and third pairings. Not a chance in hell that happens, but dare to dream.

If you are trying to create a playoff defense, who do you add to those two (Klefbom, Davidson) and Andrej Sekera? If you aren’t including Mark Fayne, then a way to dump him has to be devised and that may take an extra asset—Oilers don’t have a full cupboard of prospects and emerging role players.

Do you run Nurse? Or do you start him in 2016-17 in Bakersfield?

  • Klefbom—(Hamonic)
  • Sekera—(Demers)
  • Davidson—Fayne

I don’t think the Oilers get both of those players, and wonder if they even try. Where are the Oilers on Darnell Nurse? I think he is in that photo, folks.

  • Klefbom—Sekera
  • Nurse—(Hamonic)
  • Davidson—Fayne

I know most who pop in and post would like to see two additions (me too!), but the Oilers seem pretty devoted to Nurse and Klefbom. If a second is added, my guess is that Brandon Davidson hits the exit.

CENTERS, 2015-16

oilers centers over season

Connor McDavid’s line is crazy, he should win the Calder but may run out of time. Leon Draisaitl is slowly fading, but those numbers—over much of the season—are outstanding. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins was getting dragged routinely in the comments section of this blog before he was injured, I hope those who want to see him gone consider life without the Nuge. Not. good. Mark Letestu is not delivering on the contract, and there are two more years to come—that is not going to be a fun deal to unload, and may lead to trading Matt Hendricks (in an effort to get costs under control for the 4line). Anton Lander is probably a two-year stint in the SHL away from his next NHL chance, hope I am wrong.

OILERS WINGERS, 2015-16

oil forwards over season

Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle are posting strong numbers, 4 is struggling and 14 is surging, when it all comes down we should see quality totals. Benoit Pouliot and Teddy Purcell really are a solid second set of wingers, there is good work in those numbers. If we took all the names away and just looked at the numbers, the next man is up Nail Yakupov. I don’t see it any other way, your mileage may vary. I hope a smart teams gets him.

We first talked about Hunt back in June 2015 (here) and that was before he exploded this season. As of this writing, Hunt is 61, 49-50-99 with the Medicine Hat Tigers and is a terrific prospect.

The best scouting report I have read on Paigin is from our own Swedish Poster:

  • Swedish Poster: He sticks out right away with how tall and lanky. Looked real skinny though part of it might be Sochi’s gear they were wearing an all black gear and every player looked pretty slim. However despite his size he’s surprisingly agile, I had a similar reaction as I had when getting my first real viewing of Nurse where you marvel over how agile he is at that size, he’s not nearly as explosive as Nurse but a real smooth skater.
  • More Swedish Poster: He showed off some serious hands as well, something I didn’t expect at all considering his junior numbers. Could ofc be Andy Sutton moments as well and not a regular thing but he pulled off the Mats Sundin style extralong dangle with his giant reach. He also has a solid shot. A couple of dodgy moments when trying too much with the first pass but generally moved the puck well.
  • Final Swedish Poster: Defensively he was in good position and showed off a good stick. Crazy reach. Not very physical, still very much a teenage body, has that uncoordinated flimsiness you see in lanky teenage boys, but he seems unafraid at least.

OILERS DRAFTING RUSSIANS: A HISTORY

  1. Igor Vyazmikin, 252nd overall in 1987 (4 NHL games)
  2. D Vladimir Zubkov, 208nd overall in 1988
  3. C Anatoli Semenov, 120th overall in 1989 (362 NHL games, he was a real player)
  4. C Sergei Yashin, 141st overall in 1989
  5. G Evgeny Belosheiken, 232nd overall in 1991
  6. L Alexander Kerch, 60th overall in 1993 (5 NHL games)
  7. F Oleg Maltsev, 241st overall in 1993
  8. D Ilya Byakin, 267th overall in 1993 (57 NHL games, talented)
  9. R Dimitrius Shulga, 162nd in 1994
  10. D Sergei Yerkovich, 68th overall in 1997
  11. G Alex Fomitchev, 231st overall in 1997
  12. L Oleg Smirnov, 144th overall in 1998
  13. R Maxim Spiridonov, 241st overall in 1998
  14. D Alexei Semenov, 36th overall in 1999 (211 NHL games)
  15. L Alexei Mikhnov, 17th overall in 2000 (2 NHL games, first-round pick)
  16. D Alexander Ljubimov, 83rd overall in 2000
  17. F Evgeny Muratov, 274th overall in 2000
  18. D Ivan Koltsov, 106th overall in 2002
  19. F Mikhail Youkov, 72nd overall in 2003
  20. D Roman Tesliuk, 44th overall in 2004
  21. L Slava Trukhno, 120th overall in 2005
  22. F Alex Bumagin, 170th overall in 2006
  23. R Nail Yakupov, 1st overall in 2012 (231 NHL games, No. 1 overall)
  24. L Daniil Zharkov, 91st overall in 2012
  25. C Bogdan Yakimov, 83rd overall in 2013 (1 NHL game)
  26. L Anton Slepyshev, 88th overall in 2013 (11 NHL games)
  27. D Ziyat Paigin, 209th overall in 2015

Since 1979, Edmonton has chosen 27 Russian men out of  358 total selections (7.5%), but they didn’t start the process until 1987 and this century has seen 13 picks (major uptick). Since Nail Yakupov was taken No. 1 overall in 2012, Edmonton is averaging over one Russian per draft, and that’s good news since the NHL has decided to undervalue them in recent years. Paigin seems like a nice get, but we are early days and have to remember the five year rule.

LET’S CHAT

  • These GDTs are too long. Yeah, this one seems to be a bit much.
  • It’s funny, because most of your posts are the opposite—very little in them. Let’s move on.
  • Even the Goddams are mocking you. That is toughest of all, through luck or hard work or some progress in structure, they at least had a pretty good goal differential. Now, it is sliding into the ocean, like the mystics and statistics said it would.
  • Boy, Chiarelli is garbage, eh? It has been a very frustrating season, and if the Oilers go 5-15-1 from now to the end, they will have made zero progress. Disheartening.
  • Heh. I thought you would use injuries as an excuse. Injuries are a part of the season, sure. However, we talked about lack of balance back last July, and most of the reasonable bets have been poor. That is on the GM.
  • What moves did you like last summer, that also turned out? The obvious ones, Sekera, Talbot, no credit for McDavid but he is insane. The only secondary bet that has worked out (imo) was Eric Gryba. Mark Letestu has not been able to fill the role asked, Lauri Korpikoski is not an NHL player at this time. Those are rather large misses, especially considering role players are more plentiful than the impact talents. You can’t make an error on a $1.8M checking center and sign him for three seasons.
  • What does Chiarelli need to do? He needs to go back, figure out who advised him on the Sekera and Talbot additions—and keep them. He then needs to make a list of people who advised him to acquire (or trade, or retain) any or all of Nikita Nikitin, Justin Schultz, Lauri Korpikoski, Mark Letestu, Martin Marincin. And he needs to fire them. If Daryl Katz refuses, Peter Chiarelli needs to resign.
  • Or? Or he must resign himself to failure. Look, either Peter Chiarelli made some wrong calls all on his own, or he took the advice of the previous admin. I don’t know the answer, but have my suspicions. Oilers fans badly need Peter Chiarelli to have the stones to get his own people, ones he can trust. And if he did make those decisions, then the Oilers are going to have a tough five years ahead and we will be seeing McDavid then, as we see Taylor Hall now. This is important stuff.
  • How long does he have? This summer, I expect. The Oilers are broken, Peter Chiarelli is the man charged with fixing them. If we reach the draft and free agency, and Edmonton’s additions are men like Travis Hamonic and Jason Demers, Lars Eller or Frans Nielsen,  then we can assume Chiarelli is both in charge and getting reasonable advice. At the first sign of  Ryan Murray or Jack Johnson, we will know it is business as usual. Dear Peter Chiarelli: The calls are coming from inside the house. Get an untraceable cell phone, make the calls from your car with the radio on loud. Seriously.

As we expected, the trade (and I do believe Edmonton will be in there swinging. The two big gets for Chiarelli this summer would be Hamonic and Lucic—you should be prepared for 6×6 on Lucic and that isn’t something you can blame on MacT, that will be a Chiarelli move) will go down in summer, if at all. Can you take another overpay to the Islanders during the Friday draft broadcast?

BLOOD 4

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun morning, maybe we will get a trade! 10 this morning, TSN 1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Scott Cullen, TSN. We will discuss the trades so far, and what we might expect from the next few days.
  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Chiarelli and McLellan, fixing the defense, bad music.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. The Hamonic article will be front and center.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Pretendergast says:

    Jesus Quick

  2. BONE207 says:

    What’s going on? I barely have time to sip my CR let alone post.

  3. Halfwise says:

    RexLibris: They throw in Rubber Ducky or no deal!

    Ya gotta put down the ducky, if ya wanna play the saxophone.

  4. Water Fire says:

    Clenndenning is also too small for his tool bag. He and Oesterle visually look like kids playing with men. Crazy brain, speed and stick is the only way, not seeing it with either. Good hockey players, just not NHL.

  5. G Money says:

    There’s Remenda masturbating over his Kings roster notes.

    “He had his back turned! How did he make the save?!?! Because he’s Quick.”

    No. He had his back turned, idiot.

    Unfortunately, McDavid couldn’t lift it over a helpless Quick.

    Id. i. ot.

  6. BONE207 says:

    Halfwise: Ya gotta put down the ducky, if ya wanna play the saxophone.

    As long as You put down the bunny!

  7. Suntory Hanzo says:

    I grew up playing hockey in Sherwood Park from 79-87 when I quit going into Midget.

    I played against a kid named D. (name similar to a team that we met in the playoffs for 127 straight years ) Nash who used to hit like that against Hendricks. And because he was a born again christian, he would hit you in the head on a hit, and then come back and apologize at the end of the shift.

    wierd things you remember…

  8. Suntory Hanzo says:

    BONE207,

    “There will be Blood” theme….grab a super long straw and drink and type from a distance.

  9. RexLibris says:

    G Money:
    There’s Remenda masturbating over his Kings roster notes.

    “He had his back turned!How did he make the save?!?! Because he’s Quick.”

    No.He had his back turned, idiot.

    Unfortunately, McDavid couldn’t lift it over a helpless Quick.

    Id. i. ot.

    The Remenda AI is suffering an ID-10T error.

    EDIT: Here’s the Star Wars Help Desk video that’s from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q8DriPCX2o

  10. JDï™ says:

    Suntory Hanzo: wierd things you remember…

    So you didn’t play for the Lions?

  11. Water Fire says:

    Fayne’s a dollar short and a day late this game.

  12. Centre of attention says:

    LT, I tweeted a gif of that Davidson rush to you

  13. Visually better says:

    Soup Fascist,

    Haha its okay man, we’ve all been bad arm chair gm’s more times than not. I have traded Hall a few too many times, and ive also traded Draisaitl once or twice.

    Regarding Drai, I really Just don’t see the compete in the guy way too often he takes games off in his early career. His memorial cup performance was one of the worst outings i’ve ever seen.

    As for Hall, ive traded him too many times and will definitely admit the mistake on that one. He is one tremendous athlete and has incredible heart and will and wants to win badly. The reason i’ve traded him so many times is because of things like what he did with 1:00 left last game on the power play. He baffles me on the power play and definitely does some questionable things, but I would be a complete liar if I didnt admit his benefits far outweigh his faults.

  14. geowal says:

    I know it’s taboo around here, but looking at the boxcars (I never see them anymore as I rarely bother to click elsewhere) Davidson happens to be one of just 2 regulars with a +ve plus/-.(+4 team best) , the other being that Hendricks fella. At the bottom is someone in the press box.
    So you know, numbers matching the eye test, and all that.

  15. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention:
    LT, I tweeted a gif of that Davidson rush to you

    Got it!

  16. BONE207 says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    BONE207,

    “There will be Blood” theme….grab asuper long straw and drink and type from a distance.

    That’s too much accuracy for one who trembles expecting the worst but still hanging on by a sinew.

  17. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Oilers D looking more like the 1995 Devils instead of the usual Nov 19 ’83 Devils.

  18. BONE207 says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    Oilers D looking more like the1995Devils instead of the usual Nov 19 ’83 Devils.

    I think I read that book: Of Men or Mice

  19. Pretendergast says:

    Kass!

  20. Lowetide says:

    Kassian scores. 1-0 EDM.

  21. Soup Fascist says:

    Papa Kass!!

  22. G Money says:

    Nice, Zak attack scores in exactly the kind of game we need him to be a ‘big’ player in.

  23. JDï™ says:

    The Kassassin!

  24. Water Fire says:

    Beauty shiner, beauty wrister

  25. geowal says:

    Great battle by the hall line

  26. Oil2Oilers says:

    i thought Quick was going to stone us, yeah

  27. Centre of attention says:

    Kassian!!!!

  28. Halfwise says:

    Zachary!

  29. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Kass!!!11!

    Funny…talking with fellow teachers in the staffroom today as they railed against my Oilers, and a few mentioned they never should have traded Kassian.

    I retorted “you never should have traded Neely”

  30. BONE207 says:

    Is this their first lead in 2016?

  31. RexLibris says:

    There’s something fitting that a “guy like Kassian” scores against the Kings.

    That’s the kind of heavy I think Chiarelli is going to want to add.

  32. Mattaklap says:

    Hope Mr. Chiarelli saw Lucic bad there…

  33. Ice Sage says:

    Oilers icing a heavy team. Paying off so far.
    “there’s a gleam”

  34. Lowetide says:

    Khaira just mugged Doughty. I am in love.

  35. RexLibris says:

    BONE207:
    Is this their first lead in 2016?

    Oh god, I hope not but part of me is afraid to check.

  36. Centre of attention says:

    Kassian has a good shot for someone not considered a top 6 forward.

    His points per 60 speaks of potential. He can shoot the puck as well as crush people. These skills are useful.

  37. Klima's_Bucket says:

    This has actually been a decent hockey game.
    All it’s missing is Justin Schultz.

    With him out of the lineup who else am I supposed to swear at?

  38. Pretendergast says:

    Doughty just drifting in like that unnoticed, so dangerous when you least expect it.

    Edit: How hasn’t he won a Norris?

  39. JDï™ says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: With him out of the lineup who else am I supposed to swear at?

    Bookije!

  40. BONE207 says:

    Wow…I can watch a 3rd period with interest instead of the usually bleary eyed stupor.

  41. Visually better says:

    If only the scouts knew that the real showcase was actually showcasing what a team looks like WITHOUT Justin Schultz on the ice ahahahah

  42. Water Fire says:

    Lowetide:
    Khaira just mugged Doughty. I am in love.

    Me too, a little sensitive still about the ‘on the goalie’s leg’ thingy

  43. frjohnk says:

    RexLibris,

    Davidson reminds me a bit like Brodie as well. I was thinking about that earlier but didn’t want to say it as I could just be overvaluing another one of our young players. Nice you see the same thing. Or we are both wearing the same rose covered glasses.

    Of course early days and there is a significant gap between the two players but Davidson has some moves not unlike Brodie. If Davidson can keeping raising the bar, man that would be beautiful.

  44. Halfwise says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    This has actually been a decent hockey game.
    All it’s missing is Justin Schultz.

    With him out of the lineup who else am I supposed to swear at?

    Brown is a good target.

  45. wheatnoil says:

    Water Fire:
    Clenndenning is also too small for his tool bag. He and Oesterle visually look like kids playing with men. Crazy brain, speed and stick is the only way, not seeing it with either. Good hockey players, just not NHL.

    Gostisbehere says hi.

  46. stevezie says:

    i, uh… I’m seeing them pretty good. I don’t even know who to isolate for praise, every single line is looking pretty good.

  47. Chamucks says:

    Visually better:
    Soup Fascist,

    Regarding Drai, I really Just don’t see the compete in the guy way too often he takes games off in his early career. His memorial cup performance was one of the worst outings i’ve ever seen.

    You talking about the same Memorial Cup MVP Leon Draisaitl?

  48. dangilitis says:

    So when Schultz is traded, everyone can spare him the empathy and the well-wishes. I know he will play poorly, and wish for him to continue to play poorly with his new team.

    I am 31. I was 17 when I started my road to my career path. 14 years of education, with the last 7 being on the job training. I will finally have a full-time job in July, where I will start to earn more per hour than my house cleaners, and only a fraction of what Schultz has earned for the last few years.

    Sure, my bosses and educators laid out a curriculum and helped me along the way, I will always give credit to my mentors. But they would be the first to point out that I have worked my ass off to get better, and have succeeded because of the pride I have taken in my work and education. Self-directed, adult learning since I was 17, not late 20s. If I had flunked out of university, or quit my residency programs, no one out there would be laying blame on my teachers, or the universities and hospitals where I have worked and trained. Nobody would be laying down bullshit excuses about my development being stunted by these groups, about me being thrown into situations that I wasn’t ready to handle at a young age. Or about me having to train with educators that were not competent or experienced enough to show me the right path (despite the fact that in medicine, doctors don’t always make the best teachers). Do you see where I am going here?

    Schultz was fortunate enough to play college hockey for several years, then AHL in a lockout year that should have been to his benefit. He had a “coaching carousel,” great. Some would see that as having the benefit of many different sets of eyes and minds to learn from. He is 25 now. My wife was expecting with our first child at that age. You’re a damn adult at that age, and adult learners take ownership in the training process. And they don’t fail just because of negative feedback, they learn from it in order to succeed.

    My story is not unique. It is probably similar to anybody out there booing Schultz. And none of these people should have to justify their disdain for Schultz’s lack of development to Matheson. Or to TSN, or Sportsnet. And the blame should not all be on MacT, or on the Oilers. Let the other 29 teams and their fans think that the Oilers fucked up Justin Schultz. But we all know the truth. Justin Schultz has some G-d given talents, but was not able or willing to use them to improve his performance, despite the assistance provided to him by AHL and NHL professional organizations and their staff and player personnel. These are facts. Todd Nelson, Todd McLellan, Ralph Kreuger, these are not bad coaches. This failure is on Justin fucking Schultz more than anyone else.

    The concept of effort/dedication is why we love players like Brandon Davidson, who were not afforded the opportunities given to Schultz, but succeeded in spite of many obstacles preventing them from regular NHL employment. Hell, this attribute is why many of us root for players like Yakupov, who have failed but have clearly put the effort in. This is why Yakupov’s exit will be painful to many. But no one should shed a tear for poor Justin Schultz. He made his own bed.

  49. stevezie says:

    Pretendergast: Edit: How hasn’t he won a Norris?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/drew-doughty-has-never-been-nhl-s-best-defenseman–trending-topics-212421594.html

    This is a pretty good read, and has me on board. While Doughty is clearly one of the league’s best defenceman, he has never had the league’s best defensive season.

  50. RexLibris says:

    frjohnk:
    RexLibris,

    Davidson reminds me a bit like Brodie as well. I was thinking about that earlier but didn’t want to say it as I could just be overvaluing another one of our young players. Nice you see the same thing. Or we are both wearing the same rose covered glasses.

    Of course early days and there is a significant gap between the two players but Davidson has some moves not unlike Brodie. If Davidson can keeping raising the bar, man that would be beautiful.

    I don’t think Davidson IS Brodie, necessarily, but they share some qualities that make them extraordinarily valuable players in the NHL today.

    Specifically, the ability to skate the puck out, make good passes, and the ability to make small moves that open up options to do either.

  51. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Chamucks: You talking about the same Memorial Cup MVP Leon Draisaitl?

    yeah…and POS Hall fell into the boards headfirst he is so crappy. Oh yeah…then he scored a goal a minite later.

  52. G Money says:

    Swing in the fancies but still a decent game. 46% CF, 48% DF. The Oilers are actually holding their own EXCEPT against Carter/King/Toffoli/Doughty, who are running wild.

    H2H http://i.imgur.com/0QMILIl.png

  53. Visually better says:

    Chamucks,

    If you watched the final game, he literally was a ghost. Looked like he was playing a game of shinny, trust me it was frightening.

  54. Lloyd B. says:

    Have not read game time thread. Only watched last 10 minutes of the 2nd. Oesterle and Davidson are incredibly good by eye. What say your stats G? Now going back to read thread cause I’ve missed the game so far.

  55. BONE207 says:

    dangilitis,

    Congratulations…which drive through are you working? ☺

  56. Water Fire says:

    wheatnoil: Gostisbehere says hi.

    Do you really think Clen is playing like that?

    It’s not about small, it’s about being small (or weak) and not playing in a way that will succeed in the NHL. Ghost keeps a lot of separation from bigger players with IQ and skating and it lets him make good plays.

  57. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Davidson is a player that all other teams seem to turn out ad nauseum, and the Oilers rarely, if ever, do.

  58. Chamucks says:

    Visually better,

    I saw it. And so did the people that thought he deserved MVP in a losing effort. It’s OK to be wrong here. Carry on with your “lazy” narrative though, by all means.

  59. dangilitis says:

    BONE207:
    dangilitis,

    Congratulations…which drive through are you working?

    Thanks! And actually, on many days it feels like a drive-thru…

  60. Water Fire says:

    G Money:
    D Rinkmaps.All pairings doing a nice job keeping the slot clean.

    http://i.imgur.com/K9XYspi.png
    http://i.imgur.com/Jky0Aaz.png
    http://i.imgur.com/l9HKJzi.png

    Good hygeine is very important

  61. G Money says:

    Lloyd B.:
    Have not read game time thread. Only watched last 10 minutes of the 2nd.Oesterle and Davidson areincredibly good by eye.What say your stats G? Now going back to read thread cause I’ve missed the game so far.

    Here’s the defensemen game flows, which I think give the most clear and concise picture.

    Fayne is struggling, as is Nurse, but I think the other youngsters are generally holding their own.

    http://i.imgur.com/ySwDTGZ.png

  62. geowal says:

    dangilitis: the concept of effort/dedication is why we love players like Brandon Davidson, who were not afforded the opportunities given to Schultz, b

    I’m at the point where Klefbom will have to convince me he is in fact still better than Davidson. And he’s dreamy.

  63. G Money says:

    D pairs gameflow: http://i.imgur.com/82gzU1A.png

    There’s some defensive struggles going on (when DFA/60 > 40), but the DFF% is doing OK, which I think is reflecting how often the guys are jumping up (effectively) in the play this game.

  64. Water Fire says:

    McDavid needs to develop a feared shot. It took Crosby a while, another summer on the weights and a deadly feinted release should do it. The beauty about players like him is you know he’ll make it happen, he’ll never settle for less.

  65. wheatnoil says:

    Water Fire: Do you really think Clen is playing like that?

    It’s not about small, it’s about being small (or weak) and not playing in a way that will succeed in the NHL. Ghost keeps a lot of separation from bigger players with IQ and skating and it lets him make good plays.

    Sure and I don’t think Clen or Oesterle are Gostisbehere (damn his name is hard to spell). More regarding Oesterle, though, is that he had ridiculous wheels. If you’ve got speed and puck-moving ability, you can compensate for lack of size.

    Unsure about Clendenning yet, but I think Oesterle has a shot and he’s not that under-sized.

  66. Mattaklap says:

    Visually better:
    Chamucks,

    If you watched the final game, he literally was a ghost.

    So he was figuratively corporeal?

  67. BONE207 says:

    dangilitis: Thanks! And actually, on many days it feels like a drive-thru…

    The smell of fresh meat. Never a dull moment.

  68. Norman Greenbaum says:

    Dear trolls,

    It’s ok to cheer for the Oilers when they are genuinely playing well. Don’t worry, I’m sure somebody will do something monumentally baffling for you to dissect and crucify him for soon.

  69. Ice Sage says:

    BONE207:
    dangilitis,

    Congratulations…which drive through are you working?

    LOL I think the only hamburger he’ll see is when he treats a trauma victim.
    That being said, an athlete’s trajectory is different than an intellectual professional’s and there’s much more competition. Schultz has been given ample opportunity to redeem himself, and has collected some nice dough. Org has gotta move on.

  70. Visually better says:

    Chamucks,

    hmmm… Unfortunately, you must not be aware that the award was for the entire tournament and not the final game… Carry on with your “incorrect” narrative. Or just don’t reply if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    What I was saying it was alarming that the biggest game of his young career also happened to be a no show. Yes he had a good tournament but when it came to the biggest game he folded.

  71. Pretendergast says:

    Chamucks,

    Like Penner before him, soon as we get a guy whos big and protects a puck… he doesn’t put in the effort.

    Same as it ever was for some people.

    The Hall is a whiner is my favourite because its a bunch of guys who are mad because he probably hit on their gf and succeeded.

  72. Lowetide says:

    Nice glove tap from Nurse, man Nail did not hear that whistle.

  73. Water Fire says:

    wheatnoil: Sure and I don’t think Clen or Oesterle are Gostisbehere (damn his name is hard to spell). More regarding Oesterle, though, is that he had ridiculous wheels. If you’ve got speed and puck-moving ability, you can compensate for lack of size.

    Unsure about Clendenning yet, but I think Oesterle has a shot and he’s not that under-sized.

    I am all for better players all the time. This game JO is getting beat 100% on the wall. So he needs to hit the weights and get stronger or get his stick going like Lidstrom and bat pucks back when they try to chip past him.

    I wonder why players at 5’10 or 11 don’t lift more? If you want to play in the NHL you have to be strong. Strong is different than big, as in Martin St Louis who obviously worked out and that is what got his career going – it started late and he became so well conditioned he could have his own TV show.

    Chara was the same – huge and gangly and when he developed his body – Watch Out ( in a Christopher Walken voice).

  74. BONE207 says:

    Ok Mr. McLellan…what have you done with the Oilers and who are “these” guys???

  75. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Seen Kassian communicating on the bench with his teammates a few times this game….I like it.

  76. Chamucks says:

    Visually better,

    You would know better than everyone else than I guess. Congratulations on that.

  77. JDï™ says:

    Visually better: Yes he had a good tournament but when it came to the biggest game he folded.

    Is this like a take-off on Colbert’s shtick?

    If so, it’s not working.

  78. Professor Q says:

    That Kesler article on American hockey players was interesting.

    They play the blue-collar hockey, and train to make the dirty, hurtful plays…well, at least he’s honest?

  79. Pretendergast says:

    Norman Greenbaum,

    I like you, I like your humour, and your honesty.

    Visually better:

    What I was saying it was alarming that the biggest game of his young career also happened to be a no show. Yes he had a good tournament but when it came to the biggest game he folded.

    Every game he played in that tournament was the biggest of his life up to that point.

  80. Visually better says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes:
    Seen Kassian communicating on the bench with his teammates a few times this game….I like it.

    Loudest guy on the ice, I love it. He’s always communicating

  81. Water Fire says:

    Hall needs to stop diving

  82. Lowetide says:

    I am going to start deleting immature comments.

  83. Visually better says:

    JDï™,

    not following..

  84. geowal says:

    Man, that was some effective jinxing by Remenda.

  85. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Visually better: Loudest guy on the ice, I love it. He’s always communicating

    His best game as an Oiler, I wondering how all those Montreal scouts in the stands feel about it.

  86. Ice Sage says:

    wow didn’t see that coming

  87. BONE207 says:

    Lowetide:
    I am going to start deleting immature comments.

    Sorry LT…that’s all I got….*hides behind tree*

  88. Water Fire says:

    Fayne late again, next King physically on Talbot needs to be beaten down hard and with malice.

  89. Genjutsu says:

    Pretendergast:
    Doughty just drifting in like that unnoticed, so dangerous when you least expect it.

    Edit: How hasn’t he won a Norris?

    Voted on by MSN . . . have you heard some of those guys speak?

  90. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers are like Marco Rubio.

    Kings are like Donald Trump.

  91. BONE207 says:

    geowal:
    Man, that was some effective jinxing by Remenda.

    Stopped listening to him. Did he say “shutout”? Bastard

  92. Soup Fascist says:

    Well I suppose this is “spirit” testing time.

    Let’s see if the boys fold or force the issue.

  93. LMHF#1 says:

    Sekera didn’t have the man the way he should have there. Unfortunate.

  94. BONE207 says:

    Great check by that unknown Davidson kid. We should get a couple more. Has he any brothers or sisters?

  95. Ice Sage says:

    hunter1909:
    Oilers are like Marco Rubio.

    Kings are like Donald Trump.

    Oilers are like Carly Fiorina – once great, now shrill, sad and done (and never really in it!)

  96. Clay says:

    Boy Yak had nothing but open ice right down the lane… should’ve maybe taken another step or two.

  97. hunter1909 says:

    LA Trumps 2

    Washington Oily Generals 1

  98. geowal says:

    BONE207: Stopped listening to him. Did he say “shutout”? Bastard

    Solid 2-3 minutes going on about Talbot, work put in with Schwartz, played better, getting back to half a dozen games ago. Wasn’t even done yet when they scored. Goal not Talbot fault but same result.

    —did everyone else get froze out of here 5 minutes?

  99. hunter1909 says:

    Ice Sage,

    lol

  100. hunter1909 says:

    Clay:
    Boy Yak had nothing but open ice right down the lane… should’ve maybe taken another step or two.

    I’m starting to think Yak is like Curly from the Three Stooges. I can’t take him seriously as a hockey player.

  101. BONE207 says:

    geowal:

    —did everyone else get froze out of here 5 minutes?

    I think we broke the old Al. Not sure if it was Gore or Mitchell. Something about immature comments.

  102. stevezie says:

    hunter1909: I’m starting to think Yak is Curly from the Three Stooges. I can’t take him seriously as a hockey player.

    He’s had a real good game tonight I think.

  103. Lowetide says:

    Far better effort tonight, Nurse is a rookie and a rookie play loses it. I cant blame the team, and the rookie is doing his best. Management needs to have better defense.

  104. Genjutsu says:

    Yak having a great game. Good game in general for the Oil.

    LA is just really, really good.

    Doughty perma beast mode.

  105. BONE207 says:

    Maybe that empty net play will work tonight?

  106. Clay says:

    So, moral victory tonight? Right?

  107. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Far better effort tonight, Nurse is a rookie and a rookie play loses it. I cant blame the team, and the rookie is doing his best. Management needs to have better defense.

    Said after the ANA loss, I can watch those kinds of losses for the majority of the season – if I have to.

    Tonight is the same. This team gave it all they had, saw good things from Davidson, Oesterle, et al.

    Losing because of a bad bounce or two means your team could have won it just as well. The Oilers haven’t played enough of those games over the last five/ten years.

  108. Ice Sage says:

    LA did just enough to win.
    Fuck those guys

  109. G Money says:

    Yak is the only Oiler in plus Corsi territory. Handful of shot attempts, shots, scoring chances.

    Still hears the occasional dog whistle (which apparently can drown out the referees whistle), but really solid game.

  110. BAUCE says:

    Acceptable loss – I ain’t even mad. Good effort against the powerhouse Kings.

    Jesus Mary and Joseph quicks record against the oilers is absurd.

    Also eberle needs to just get that puck to net.

  111. Younger Oil says:

    NOW LET THE TRADES COMMENCE BABY!!!!1!

  112. G Money says:

    For all the talk of heavy rosters and all that other crap, swap Sekera for Doughty and …

  113. BONE207 says:

    Doughty over 30 min. Crazy. Trade ya for a Jultz?

  114. Lowetide says:

    Yeah, that third period was not sweet, and they will get the hammer tomorrow. Will they win Sunday? Two bad weeks heading to the deadline. I liked their effort a lot tonight, but what will they bring us tomorrow?

  115. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    G Money:
    Yak is the only Oiler in plus Corsi territory.Handful of shot attempts, shots, scoring chances.

    Still hears the occasional dog whistle (which apparently can drown out the referees whistle), but really solid game.

    If it’s true and there were scouts there to see him, he might have just played his way out of town.

  116. Ice Sage says:

    I don’t agree – when LA got serious in the third, it wasn’t close at all. I’ll wait for GMoney’s graph to confirm. That being said, the team did look more composed, resilient and actually relaxed on the bench. Building for next year? Always

  117. frjohnk says:

    That is more like it.
    ELPH!

  118. Gerta Rauss says:

    That’s too bad

    Might have been the best 40 minutes we’ve played all year but beating the Kings in LA was just too much to ask of this group

    See you tomorrow

  119. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Why don’t they try..just try…Yak with MacDavid again. Just to see what happens.

  120. hunter1909 says:

    RexLibris: Losing because of a bad bounce or two means your team could have won it just as well.

    The Kings played just hard enough to win. Run that game 100x and LAK come away with the “W” 80% of the time.

  121. JAG-041 says:

    Was frustrated with Eberle tonight, he gave away a lot of pucks, missed a lot of passes… It’s mostly frustrating to watch us not have the puck or lose the puck when McDavid is on the ice…

  122. JAG-041 says:

    For the record, I’m not blaming Eberle for the loss… Kings are great… Kopitar is fantastic… Doughty… ya… nuff said

  123. hunter1909 says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: If it’s true and there were scouts there to see him, he might have just played his way out of town.

    Nice. Yaks gets traded so they keep lightweight Eberle with his 6 million salary(then whine in the offseason about needing to improve the team’s toughness blah blah blah).

  124. Norman Greenbaum says:

    Did we get a PP tonight?

    Refs warming up for the playoffs.

    At least it was kind of fair.

  125. hags9k says:

    That is the type of emotion, effort and game that we need to fill our remaining schedule with.

    We still are not good enough, but you have to start with that hunger as a foundation. Good on the players and the coaches for that response tonight.

    And I swear Yak will reward this franchise is they stay the course with him.

    MOARal victory.

  126. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Good game. Liked what I saw from Oesterle. Agreed with whoever said it earlier if he hits the weights this off season I’d like his chances of taking a few more at bats in the NHL. Seems to see the game quite well, can skate and can make a pass. Great pinch on the final play there really liked the battle.

    Tough game winner, Oilers couldn’t bust a cycle to save themselves in that third. Sometimes Sekera does odd things, dog whistles if you will. Rookie play by Nurse, tough GW but good effort overall.

    I liked Kassian tonight, seemed a little off once the Kings brought pressure but a couple more sorties with Hall should iron that out. Saw lots of good things with that line and would leave them together.

    Dam CMD was snake bitten tonight. Could/should of had two tonight. Tough breaks and nice saves by Quick.

    Solid game. If you’re freaking out tonight you’re delusional.

  127. Lowetide says:

    Having some wordpress issues tonight, apologies to all and thanks for hanging in.

  128. G Money says:

    Ice Sage,

    They actually took over the game early in the second, but the Oilers at least stemmed the tide most of the period.

    This is a typical OIL-LAK story though – the Oilers use their speed early but the heavy LA game grinds them to dust by the third.

    If the refs called even half the hooks and holds, the Oilers would have had the chance to keep it even by spending time on the PP, but you know against LA that’s never going to happen.

  129. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Davidson skated miles tonight. I really would like to see where this guy’s ceiling is. I’d like to see where he is with a quality partner, who’s been his best parter for an extended stretch this season? still churning out great numbers (positive relative side tonight, against some of the best comp available)

    thought Fayne showed that he’s 6’3 215 tonight, was really aggressive and good to see

    Nurse needs to be in Bakersfield grinding out the flaws in his game, it’s been said 10,000 times n should be said 10,000 more. I don’t care if Nikitin replaces him, the season’s over anyway

  130. G Money says:

    Shot data

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2016/02/26/g62-2016-02-25-oilers-at-lost-again-geles-shot-and-distance-data/

    That third period from 5:00 on – Jeebus.

    I’ve never seen a WOWY chart like that.

    Solid game from Yak, only player above 50% on the Corsis, he and Hall the only players above 50% on the Dangers.

  131. G Money says:

    verite: any reason to keep Hall …
    Hearltess players

    G Money: Yak, only player above 50% on the Corsis, he and Hall the only players above 50% on the Dangers

    Damn, imagine how good Hall could have been if he actually had heart.

    I mean, the shot numbers indicate the exact opposite of what Verite concluded.

    That being the case … sorry folks, looks like I’m gonna have to retire the DangerousFenwicks.

  132. LadiesloveSmid says:

    G Money,

    I saw Hall get dropped pretty hard a few times and drive into the same area right after to try to make a play. Hall has no heart like Hemsky was soft. Bullshit.

  133. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    Damn, imagine how good Hall could have been if he actually had heart.

    I mean, the shot numbers indicate the exact opposite of what Verite concluded.

    That being the case … sorry folks, looks like I’m gonna have to retire the DangerousFenwicks.

    Hall had a helluva game, Yakupov too. And the Davidson-Oesterle pairing, plus Talbot can play. That said, the 19-year old had a couple of early chances, if those go in Edmonton is celebrating in LA tonight.

  134. AsiaOil says:

    Well better than I thought but the big talented vet team took up a notch and had their way with the smaller, less experienced team. Same old, same old. But this is why I don’t want to trade Yak – he can play in this type of game – and would probably thrive in the playoffs.

    Might have something with Oesterle but he needs another year in the AHL, the Oilers need a better defense around him, and he better hit the weight room seriously over the summer. Skates and passes beautifully but can’t break up a cycle to save his life.

    We need more defense and have to get bigger and tougher to win – it’s pretty simple.

  135. Lowetide says:

    AsiaOil:
    Well better than I thought but the big talented vet team took up a notch and had their way with the smaller, less experienced team. Same old, same old. But this is why I don’t want to trade Yak – he can play in this type of game – and would probably thrive in the playoffs.

    Might have something with Oesterle but he needs another year in the AHL, the Oilers need a better defense around him, and he better hit the weight room seriously over the summer. Skates and passes beautifully but can’t break up a cycle to save his life.

    We need more defense and have to get bigger and tougher to win – it’s pretty simple.

    No argument there. Just make sure the bigger players are also skilled players. I thought Kassian and Khaira also showed well in this game (partly because of the size, partly because they made good plays with the puck—especially in the neutral zone).

  136. AsiaOil says:

    Absolutely – unskilled, slow meatheads are not what we need at all. We need some large skilled men who can skate and pass to compliment a few finesse players – and by few I mean CMD and maybe Yak. Hall and Pouliot are as “light” as I want to go – and both of them could use a bit more beef. Eberle is super-talented in the offensive zone with space and time – but pretty much useless in a game like this – and this is 10% of the intensity of a playoff game.

    After watching tonight and looking at G Moneys numbers – if Montreal is looking at Yak they have visions of Petry dancing before their eyes and are praying we are stupid enough to trade him for a mediocre player and bad contract like Eller

    Lowetide: No argument there. Just make sure the bigger players are also skilled players. I thought Kassian and Khaira also showed well in this game (partly because of the size, partly because they made good plays with the puck—especially in the neutral zone).

  137. Colieo87 says:

    No Schultz and definitely a closer score.

  138. Norman Greenbaum says:

    Colieo87:
    No Schultz and definitely a closer score.

    No Purcell either.

  139. GCW_69 says:

    hunter1909: Nice. Yaks gets traded so they keep lightweight Eberle with his 6 million salary(then whine in the offseason about needing to improve the team’s toughness blah blah blah).

    Eberle is not the problem. Fixing the problem may cost Eberle, but to trash Eberle really misses the mark.

  140. PhrankLee says:

    I laughed and was not defensive. It just kind of makes me love the kid all the more.

    Ray Ferraro on Yak:

    “I had someone describe his style to me as a guy who looks like he’s being chased by bees.”

    https://twitter.com/HabsLinks/status/702968159511420928

    Hilarious.

    I liked what I saw last night. Good road game by the squad. Not a lot of guys are getting sleep. Hendo said it well in the pregame. They want to be in L.A’s shoes this time next year.

    I liked what Taylor said as well. Look, Ma!! They’re growing up right before our eyes. Too bad there is a risk of a 22 yr old NHL C with 4 years experience against top competition on the block to salvage dignity.

    2nd half of the first period it was going off the rails but they recovered and had the best 2nd period I’ve maybe seen all year in L.A.

    I’m not going to admit any moral victories because as long as other teams bully their way to the top of our crease we will suffer.

    Unfortunately our division demands we get physically stronger and bigger. I am 100% behind that. JJ is the Pacific division prototypical size now. It’s incredible but true.

    And it’s not about everyone being bigger or average team size. It’s how and where that size is distributed through the line up. Kassian was effective and I think there is another gear there as well.

    Good game, finally.

  141. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey
    Dreger: “There are so many managers who feel they’ve got the right environment to turn this thing around” w/ Schultz. QO is issue. #Oilers

    Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey
    Dreger: “The Boston #Bruins are an example of a team I’m told has some interest” in Schultz. #Oilers

    If there is interest whats the hold up?

  142. Johnny skid says:

    PhrankLee: Ray Ferraro on Yak:
    “I had someone describe his style to me as a guy who looks like he’s being chased by bees.”

    jealousy makes people say the dumbest things.

  143. russ99 says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes:
    Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey
    Dreger: “There are so many managers who feel they’ve got the right environment to turn this thing around” w/ Schultz. QO is issue. #Oilers

    Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey
    Dreger: “The Boston #Bruins are an example of a team I’m told has some interest” in Schultz. #Oilers

    If there is interest whats the hold up?

    Salary and Chia waiting out the best deal.

    I suspect it goes down Sunday, as the closer it gets to the deadline, there’s a cutoff when GMs offer less.

    Can’t wait until it’s over and hope he lands with a more veteran team.

    SLTZ Radio – All Schultz all the time… Kind of weird how many posts on a guy who didn’t even play last night…

  144. PhrankLee says:

    Johnny skid: jealousy makes people say the dumbest things.

    i don’t think it’s a bad thing or a dumb thing. I myself describe him as a buzz-saw…

    He is very frenetic, after all. Love this kid. He had a good game, for him.

  145. Johnny skid says:

    PhrankLee: i don’t think it’s a bad thing or a dumb thing. I myself describe him as a buzz-saw…

    He is very frenetic, after all. Love this kid. He had a good game, for him.

    so you think it was meant as a complement? i don’t.

  146. Water Fire says:

    GCW_69: Eberle is not the problem. Fixing the problem may cost Eberle, but to trash Eberle really misses the mark.

    I don’t know what game you watched but Eberle didn’t do much last night. Didn’t earn his $73 170.73 IMO.

    CMD was on the boards way too much for my liking.

  147. PhrankLee says:

    Johnny skid: so you think it was meant as a complement? i don’t.

    I never said that.
    I didn’t find it insulting either.
    I found it amusing.

  148. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Water Fire: I don’t know what game you watched but Eberle didn’t do much last night. Didn’t earn his $73 170.73 IMO.

    CMD was on the boards way too much for my liking.

    I would need to look at G’s sheets again but I’m pretty sure they drew Carter-Toffoli-Brown-Doughty for a good chunk last night. Sometimes when you are playing the best line + the top defenseman on the 3rd best team in the league you get beat.

    If you want to fault Eberle for that go nuts but that is a very very difficult line to do anything against and while I can’t remember exactly I’m pretty sure Poo/Eberle set up CMD twice for great looks and the kid got robbed by Quick both times. He pots one of those it’s a different game. Maybe maybe not but your hate on for Eberle is misguided.

    Remenda pointed it out last night and I thought it was a great play all around as well. Leading up to the 1-0 Oilers goal Lucic turned the puck over three separate times. Once just inside the Oilers line (Davidson turned it quickly north to Kassian) and twice in the neutral zone. On the 2nd neutral zone turnover Hall chased Lucic down, tapped his stick from behind and Lucic sent a pass right not the tape of Davidson. A couple of quick passes later between Drai-Hall-Kassian and the puck was in the net. Lucic skated by the far post and broke his stick over the crossbar.

    Hall is sublime, he’s an unbelievable player and once he is able to put that 200ft effort into every single shift (he’s made huge strides this year but there is still just a touch of inconsistency) he’ll be a wrecking ball. Man he’s a fun player to watch when he’s going all out.

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