ROCKET MAN

It is a delight to see greatness as it happens. Hockey has been around for over a century, but the chronicles may need a re-write to describe 97 in full flight with the puck on his stick. Connor McDavid is fire. What a tremendous game, bookend goals by the man who even Mr. Webster cannot describe. Oh my.

FIRE, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1
  • Oilers in January 2015: 5-7-1
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-5-2
  • Oilers in February 2015: 5-6-1
  • Oilers in February 2016: 4-8-2
  • Oilers in March 2015: 5-6-3
  • Oilers in March 2016: 1-0-0
  • Oilers after 65 in 2014-15: 18-36-11, 47 points (-69 GD)
  • Oilers after 65 in 2015-16: 24-34-7, 55 points (-35 GD)

The Oilers are craptastic on the road, but last night—and for all the nights since the horrible Ottawa loss—the Edmonton Oilers have long stretches where structure rules. The club also had a brilliant sequence at the end of the first period where they looked like a dominant six playing a weak, limp team. It was stunning to watch the Oilers do what other teams have been doing to them for the last decade. Music!

DEFENSE, 2016-17

OILERS DEFENSE OVER SEASON

  • Nurse—Clendening had a great possession game, a surprising result based on their own past (they saw the soft parade). Clendening has speed and quickness issues, he is starting to remind me of Gary Lariviere. He did get some power play time and looked just okay, to my eye. The Sabres allow lots of ice and Nurse wound up a few times to get thing going. The rookie had seven shots on goal, two high-danger scoring chances, proved he can wheel, and stood up for Leon when Evander Kane was punishing him. One of his best nights.
  • Sekera—Fayne sure look good to me. I am probably the only guy left carrying a Don Awrey hockey card, but Fayne can defend and that has value. Sekera skated miles, scored a goal (it was offside) and passed the puck with aplomb. He is a wicked smart player.
  • Davidson—Pardy had a reasonable night on what I saw as the second pairing. I like 88’s game, full stop. Not only can he defend, his offensive instincts are impressive. He will never be an offensive defender, but I can see 25 points in a season for him. Pardy is a big fellow, had a few impressive hits, saved a goal early. He also fumbled a couple, but first night with a new team has to be driving blind. I liked his game.
  • Cam Talbot had the kevlar pads out early, but by the end of the first period pucks were sticking and he settled in to play a sound game. Ranks No. 25 in save percentage among NHL goalies with 25 or more starts, No. 30 overall at even strength. He had a terrible stretch earlier in the season, continues to recover the numbers and we will see where he finishes. Still plenty who do not believe in him, I am not one of those people.

CENTERS, LAST NIGHT

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  • Mark Letestu and his line had a very physical evening and won the possession battle. He was 56 percent on the dot. I like things about his game, but his low-event offense is going to cost him on the depth chart next season.
  • Connor McDavid had a tremendous evening. Won the possession battle, had five shots, two goals and kept pushing. I thought he was very aware without the puck as well.
  • Leon Draisaitl and his line took on the top line (by my eye) and sawed them off. Eichel didn’t win the battle with McDavid, but he helped Reinhart drive Leon’s line crazy. Leon won more than his share of faceoffs, passed the puck very well, and, like his linemates, probably deserved better offensively.
  • Anton Lander and his line managed to (pretty much) saw off the other 4line, Anton had some interesting looks in the offensive end. He got one minute on the power play last night.

WINGERS, LAST NIGHT

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  • Lauri Korpikoski had a tremendous possession night, posting 5-0 with Adam Cracknell and 3-0 in a minute with Connor McDavid. A good night for the Finn.
  • Jordan Eberle pulled the chute on the only goal against, a really poor play that showed that some of the rich and famous are also the flawed. He got an assist on the first goal, a filthy pass. Lots of negative about Eberle, folks you need these player-types.
  • Zack Kassian had some good defensive moments (rode an opponent out of the play on a play about as dangerous as the Eberle boner). He also had one or two reasonable chances, passed the puck well and was a generally effective dink.
  • Nail Yakupov had some looks, I liked his game with McDavid. On the first goal, he stood up and created some confusion, it was actually the genesis of the goal. He was on the ice for that splendid shift at the end of the first period, contributed to its dominance. He can play the game, despite the apparent gaps in predictability.
  • Iiro Pakarinen hits like a Mack truck, lordy. He is a strange player, in that the puck is never safe from his forechecking. If he was a little more skilled, he might have a very good future.
  • Matt Hendricks pursued the puck and slowed down the Sabres as he could, that is something Edmonton needs badly now that Pouliot is out.
  • Adam Cracknell had a reasonable debut. Got an assist (on the goal that didn’t count), a shot on goal and three hits. Bruins fans would recognize him as a classic 4liner under the Chiarelli regime.
  • Taylor Hall had six shots on goal, some impressive opportunities but could not cash. The hockey Gods owe him a hot streak, this season may run out of track before they pay out, though.

INDIVIDUAL HIGH-DANGER SCORING CHANCES

  • Three: Connor McDavid
  • Two: Darnell Nurse, Jordan Eberle
  • One: Taylor Hall, Adam Cracknell, Matt Hendricks

PUCKS DEEP, HEAVY EARLY, LAY ON THE BODY, ZZZZZ

It is not pretty, but the Chiarelli fourth line has its uses. In 2010-11, Chiarelli’s Bruins played Shawn Thornton 781 minutes at 5×5, and he went 10-9-19. Along with typical fourth liners (Greg Campbell, Daniel Paille), the line also saw Brad Marchand a lot and Tyler Seguin a little. I would never employ a line like this, and suspect McLellan won’t play them much (that is my observation of McLellan so far), but I think a guy like Cracknell has a chance to be here next season.

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THE PURCELL-SCHULTZ TO LAK DEAL

  • Elliotte Friedman: Heard the Kings were disappointed the Ted Purcell/Justin Schultz deal fell through with Edmonton. Obviously, Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli thought he did better with the picks he received from Florida and Pittsburgh. Source

I am going to quote Mr. Friedman twice in this post, and am breaking my ‘wait until next day’ rule, so please click on the link and read the entire 30 Thoughts please and thanks. I think Schultz would have been far better off with LAK, and was intrigued by one of the potential players coming back from the coast (Nikolay Prokhorkin)—a big Russian winger with 20 goals (19 regular season, one so far in the playoffs. The second prospect (Jake Marchment) was a curio, and there were rumors a pick was also involved. One player I would have liked to see as an Oiler? Alexander Dergachyov.

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YAK CITY

  • Elliotte Friedman: With Benoit Pouliot injured, Nail Yakupov moves back up the Oiler depth chart. This bears watching. There were rumours over the weekend Yakupov asked for a trade, but I don’t think that’s a fair picture. He’s got zero complaints about living in Edmonton. And, from what I understand, there are no issues when he’s with one of the team’s high-end offensive centres. However, he was moved down recently and, if that’s his future, it doesn’t make sense to keep him. He’s not suited for it. The Oilers may choose to trade him anyway. Source

I had not heard about the trade request, but Friedman’s take seems fair. Nail, by all accounts, loves the city, but if Todd McLellan doesn’t see him as an offensive option, then moving on makes sense. That jives with what Darren Dreger said yesterday. We are looking at the last chance Texaco, and if we are being honest, chances are the die is cast.

I love seeing people find voices, and highly recommend checking out the quality of Oilers blogs. I will get around to more than just Cult of Hockey, Copper and Blue, The SuperFan and Because Oilers as we roll into spring, but wanted to congratulate our own G Money on the new gig.

WORLD CUP OF HOCKEY

Lauri Korpikoski has been named to Team Finland this morning, and the hits will likely keep on coming. Despite being one of the best wingers in the world, I am uncertain Taylor Hall will be named to the roster today. Hopeful, but these things are often disappointing. I will no doubt be cheering for the U23 group anyway, although Hall being named to the senior team would help set my cheering schedule.

Not dumb at all. If Steven Stamkos gets to free agency, Peter Chiarelli should be aggressive in his pursuit of the free agent. He is a perfect fit for this roster—experienced enough to serve as mentor to McDavid, and young enough to be around for the golden age. This is not at all insane to think about, but we should not count on it. Stamkos will have 30 teams interested and he hasn’t yet reached free agency. We wait.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, Lowdown hits the air on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. McDavid is amazing. Bruce will find the words. We will also discuss Peter Chiarelli’s trade record as Oilers GM.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. World Cup rosters, trade deadline winners, can the Oilers pass some Canadian teams in the standings?

Some fluidity to the show, I am tracking some unusual stories (Tebow to CFL?, Where is Ethan Bear? World Cup) so will have guests based on the stories that break. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Today’s word? McDavid.

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176 Responses to "ROCKET MAN"

  1. Norman Greenbaum says:

    ” even Mr. Webster cannot describe”

    Samuel Johnson?

    So, it turns out the light at the end of tunnel isn’t a train coming, nor is it fresh air. It’s ‘flame on’ from Connor McDavid’s after-burner skates and he’s yelling “follow me to the promised land, muvva-duckers!”

  2. Woogie63 says:

    Rexall is reportedly being sold for $3B, maybe now Daryl can focus on the Oiler’s success.

    #kloweplan

  3. Cahoon says:

    It’s definitely fair to say that Yakupov didn’t receive anywhere near the treatment that the others did, and the biggest factor to his struggles (the Kruger for Eakins swap) has been talked to death. That said, I think that dumping Horcoff who had mentored all the other #1’s and was doing a pretty good job of bringing Nail along to sit on that cap space was almost as foolish as the coaching swap.

    He is one of my favourite players and will continue to be when they trade him in the offseason. I think he will get traded at the draft, I wonder if Vatanen is too small for Chiarelli, Friedman said they will be looking for offensive help. Yak and a 2nd for Vatanen?

  4. raventalon40 says:

    Woogie63:
    Rexall is reportedly being sold for $3B, maybe now Daryl can focus on the Oiler’s success.

    #kloweplan

    Is it Katz’s plan to be the next MLSE? Is that why KLowe and them are around?

  5. delooper says:

    I’m a little surprised by Sekera. It feels like I’ve seen the play several times in a row now. McDavid along the boards, Sekera at the blue line. McDavid passes the puck about 1/2 to 2/3rd the way to centre ice to give something for Sekera to skate into (to ensure the play isn’t stationary) and Sekera either doesn’t move, or reacts way too late. Sekera seems to be having trouble adapting to a more mobile game. Or am I just catching his bad moments?

  6. JDï™ says:


    baggedmilk
    ‏@jsbmbaggedmilk

    Connor McDavid is now 10 points back of Jack Eichel in 36 fewer games.

  7. Aitch says:

    Draisatl’s shot on the PP, where McD fed him in the slot wasn’t a high danger scoring chance?

  8. Mattaklap says:

    “was a generally effective dink.”

    You can’t ask more of any dink, really.

  9. JDï™ says:

    Katz says the proceeds from the sale of the chain will be used to strengthen his other businesses: real estate, sports and entertainment, and private and public investments…

    He also recently got into the movie business alongside Hollywood producer Joel Silver to fund Silver Pictures Entertainment.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/rexall-mckesson-takeover-1.3472220

    The article doesn’t state whether that is in US or CDN dollars, but considering it’s CBC I would guess CDN.

  10. notarealdoctor says:

    Love Nerd Alert. That and this are my fave Oiler blogs; must check-ins for the morning afters. Don’t know what I saw until I see G’s graphs!

  11. Магия 10 says:

    Woogie63:
    Rexall is reportedly being sold for $3B, maybe now Daryl can focus on the Oiler’s success.

    #kloweplan

    No idea how much of Katz assets were debts to McKesson before. Or how much cash Katz got after the exit to McKesson:

    http://albertaventure.com/2013/09/meet-daryl-katz-rexall-oilers/

    “By 1996, Katz had turned his attention away from the Medicine Shoppe franchise and toward an ailing 100-year-old drugstore chain called Pharmx Rexall. According to an interview Katz did with Forbes in 2002, Medicine Shoppe’s success had made the company enough money to buy 36 Rexalls, which helped Katz forge a lasting relationship with the franchise’s major drug provider, McKesson. According to Forbes, the San Francisco-based pharmacy giant bankrolled his second big acquisition, 143 Pharma Plus stores, popular in Eastern Canada, with a $60-million loan. But the details around the acquisitions that followed – 165 Drug Emporiums, 141 Snyders Drug Stores, and a hodgepodge of other struggling stores both north and south of the border – have remained some of the industry’s best-kept secrets.”

    McKesson’s fronted the $60 million in 1996 dollar to purchase Rexall and this is the second and final share transfer to McKesson and there’s a complex 20 year history between Katz and his distributor. So who knows what fraction of the $3 billion comes back to Katz as cash when everything is discharged privately?

    Lastly whatever he got he likely needs with the timing of a heavy move into Alberta real estate.

  12. Melman says:

    I thought the Eberle gaff on the goal against was shocking in light of the fact he did the same thing a week ago against Colorado. To me that’s indicative of a veteran who hasn’t learned/isn’t willing to raise his effort and awareness. Could have cost them the game – which means nothing today, but if you’re in the playoffs it can’t happen. TM benched him for his lines following shift and I wondered whether he would see the ice again. You love his offence, but that is a maddening play that has no excuse being in his game.

    Was flipping back and forth between the Oil game and the Wash/Pitt game. I hope like hell (sorry mom) that they meet in the playoffs. New respect for Oshie – dude works hard on the ice.

  13. Klam says:

    Agree, going forward that was preventable. Learning experience. Disruption needed on a tic TAC toe beauty play https://t.co/XCqgT1bJAx— Jeff Klam (@jeffklam) March 2, 2016

    Jordan Eberle pulled the chute on the only goal against, a really poor play that showed that some of the rich and famous are also the flawed. He got an assist on the first goal, a filthy pass. Lots of negative about Eberle, folks you need these player-types.

    Bruce mentioned world class pass. Definitely agree. Hard to stop perfection.

    But like I said in the tweet, that goal was preventable. Ebs dished (edit) one assists. So he barely made up for his mistake later. Going forward the Oilers need to get better at preventing goals, being harder on the puck and better in their own end. Hook the man, stick on the guys hands. Better awareness sooner to disrupt. Talbot had such a good game he had no chance on the one goal and those are the moments you do say damn nice play. But…… movement up the standings and playoffs need that defensive play to be there. Easier to prevent than to score in the NHL.

    Good game and one they “should” have won, glad they did win.

  14. JDï™ says:

    Wow – that Goatsbeard kid is scoring at a 0.79 ppg clip. Very impressive.

    Having watched a bit of Philly lately, the Oilers are going to have to bring a more complete game to the Spectrum to take any points away on Thursday.

    Yes, I know it’s not the Spectrum.

  15. flyfish1168 says:

    It is very difficult not to ever not make a mistake. We are not perfect. Jordan is not a 2 way player he is more of a offensive player. He will never be known to be better at the defensive side of the ice. But he does limit the amount of mistakes at his own end and we all need to remember that he gives us more offensive A chances than gives up A chances the other way. I’m OK with Jordan. Lets not run him out of town. JMHO

  16. Frank the dog says:

    We want Stamkos @ $10M per?

  17. Clay says:

    LT: “I think Schultz would have been far better off with LAK…”

    Really? After his first instance of Jultzing, he’d skate to the bench and Mr. Sutter would literally punch him in his face.

    Maybe that’s what he needs?

  18. CopaFrank says:

    My math is not great, but I think they have 5 wins in February

  19. engineer says:

    Frank the dog:
    We want Stamkos @ $10M per?

    All your stars are belong to us.

  20. Woodguy says:

    Магия 10: No idea how much of Katz assets were debts to McKesson before. Or how much cash Katz got after the exit to McKesson:

    http://albertaventure.com/2013/09/meet-daryl-katz-rexall-oilers/

    “By 1996, Katz had turned his attention away from the Medicine Shoppe franchise and toward an ailing 100-year-old drugstore chain called Pharmx Rexall. According to an interview Katz did with Forbes in 2002, Medicine Shoppe’s success had made the company enough money to buy 36 Rexalls, which helped Katz forge a lasting relationship with the franchise’s major drug provider, McKesson. According to Forbes, the San Francisco-based pharmacy giant bankrolled his second big acquisition, 143 Pharma Plus stores, popular in Eastern Canada, with a $60-million loan. But the details around the acquisitions that followed – 165 Drug Emporiums, 141 Snyders Drug Stores, and a hodgepodge of other struggling stores both north and south of the border – have remained some of the industry’s best-kept secrets.”

    McKesson’s fronted the $60 million in 1996 dollar to purchase Rexall and this is the second and final share transfer to McKesson and there’s a complex 20 year history between Katz and his distributor. So who knows what fraction of the $3 billion comes back to Katz as cash when everything is discharged privately?

    Lastly whatever he got he likely needs with the timing of a heavy move into Alberta real estate.

    I had heard that UBS was the supplier of the loan and that McKesson’s had guaranteed it, not actually supplied the money.

    UBS also did the deal for Katz to buy the Oilers iirc.

  21. Drew says:

    flyfish1168:
    It is very difficult not to ever not make a mistake. We are not perfect. Jordan is not a 2 way player he is more of a offensive player. He will never be known to be better at the defensive side of the ice. But he does limit the amount of mistakes at his own end and we all need to remember that he gives us more offensive A chances than gives up A chances the other way. I’m OK with Jordan. Lets not run him out of town. JMHO

    Feels like some players get a pass for this and other do not???

  22. Atc-Nate says:

    Klam: Jordan Eberle pulled the chute on the only goal against, a really poor play that showed that some of the rich and famous are also the flawed. He got an assist on the first goal, a filthy pass. Lots of negative about Eberle, folks you need these player-types.

    Bruce mentioned world class pass. Definitely agree. Hard to stop perfection.

    But like I said in the tweet, that goal was preventable. Ebs dished two assists and McDavid cashing on those Ebs passes was the difference in the game. If only one of those assists were not cashed the defensive mistake could have cost the Oilers the game that the Oilers deserved. Going forward the Oilers need to get better at preventing goals, being harder on the puck and better in their own end. Hook the man, stick on the guys hands. Better awareness sooner to disrupt. Talbot had such a good game he had no chance on the one goal and those are the moments you do say damn nice play. But…… movement up the standings and playoffs need that defensive play to be there. Easier to prevent than to score in the NHL.

    Good game and one they “should” have won, glad they did win.

    What does dish 2 assists mean? Connor’s OT goal was unassisted…

    I Hate listless lack of effort play. Same goes for a lack of sticking up for teammates … If you don’t care about your teammate enough to stick a glove in an opponent’s face, regardless if you are Jordan Eberle or Luke Gazdic…. Then I would prefer you on another team. 30 goals aside, I would take Yak and 20 goals over Jordan’s 30 any day. Eberle has absolutely filthy hands and polished finish around the net… But God I hate the attitude. I want Eberle’s skills with Yak’s attitude. . . Or Kassian’s.

    I also will play devils advocate with myself and say if Jordan can score perennially at 40 with McDavid …. Maybe you have to overlook the warts. Love hate relationship here. I’m a little bit bi polar too. O.o

  23. vinotintazo says:

    Drew: Feels like some players get a pass for this and other do not???

    Agree, we’re not asking Ebs to clear the creast or level players along the boards, or lead the team on take aways, just back check properly, its been a problem a few times already.

  24. Woodguy says:

    Frank the dog:
    We want Stamkos @ $10M per?

    No.

    We want Stamkos at ~$7.5MM because he takes a discount to play with McAwesome and wants to be part of team that will win multiple Cups.

  25. vinotintazo says:

    Atc-Nate: Yak and 20 goals over

    didnt know yak scored 20.. ever… heh.

  26. blainer says:

    Yak to my eye looked good with Connor for most of the game. He just needs to get the puck for him to carry. Which he actually understands.

    Now if he can just stay onside and not shoot wide he might actually work out well with Connor.

  27. LoDog says:

    Drew: Feels like some players get a pass for this and other do not???

    Yes. Players that actually produce (and in Eberle’s case, elite production) get cut some slack.

    It’s the way of the world.

  28. Adam Wu says:

    Drew: Feels like some players get a pass for this and other do not???

    What matters to team success is the total balance of offensive and defensive performance. A player can make up for defensive mistakes with offensive performance. The better the offensive performance, the more defensive mistakes can be tolerated.

    That’s how good teams win. The single standard by which all players are measured is the NET balance of offence and defence that they achieve.

    Eberle isn’t getting any special “pass” for his errors that other players do not. He is being properly judged on whether or not his NET contribution over the course of the game is positive or negative.

    And it was undoubtedly positive in this game.

  29. Магия 10 says:

    JDï™:
    Wow – that Goatsbeard kid is scoring at a 0.79 ppg clip. Very impressive.

    Having watched a bit of Philly lately, the Oilers are going to have to bring a more complete game to the Spectrum to take any points away on Thursday.

    Yes, I know it’s not the Spectrum.

    97 seems to like these head to head games. Thursday is another with Gostisbehere, Larkin, Eichel, and Domi in reach:

    Player G P PPG Rem Projected

    McDavid 28 31 1.11 17 50

    Gostisbehere 44 35 0.80 20 51
    Larkin 61 39 0.64 19 51
    Eichel 64 41 0.64 18 53
    Domi 63 42 0.67 19 55

    Panarin 62 57 0.92 18 74

    (caught Bennett and Ehlers last night and Duclair is a good as caught)

  30. maxwell_mischief says:

    I’d make the argument that Yak really suffers from a systematic racism and it would be best for him as a player if he moved on. Edmonton has historically been pretty unkind to Russians, and Todd Mclellan has never really coached one as a head coach except Nabokov – but that’s a goalie so they’re allowed to be a little off, amiright?! Chiarelli drafted one russian in 8 drafts. MacT had a crush on Grebeshkov, but he was always a little afraid of Russians, spare Samsonov for one playoff run.
    I mean, I’m probably reaching… but this is a thing.
    Raised by Don Cherry Canadians…
    How could a Russian have a heart? Yakupov was brilliant with McD for a solid 10 games. I don’t have the numbers, but I would guess that the Oilers generated more Zone time with Yak playing with Ebs. If you take out McDs 5 point game (which I understand you can’t just do, but let’s do it anyway) Ebs is -3 for the month. He is probably dumber than Yak on a back check, and there’s probably a handful of botanists in Edmonton that I would rather have digging for pucks in the corner.
    Ebs should count his lucky stars he scored a couple OT goals wearing the Maple Leaf when he was 18, because he hasn’t had to apologize for a mistake yet (until he missed one shift last night- probably because Yak was right there, and Mclellan was looking down barrel of a double standard gun).
    At this point, the writing is on the wall for Nail Yakupov I think. I wouldn’t be surprised if he outplays Ebs with McDavid to the end of the season, but it gets overlooked. At least we’ll have our clutch overtime hero- can’t wait to see Ebs in the playoffs.

  31. northof51 says:

    Drew,

    It seems that you might be alluding to the Yak situation. Yak does not produce enough to make up for his mistakes. He is inherently more easily replaced than Ebs. Elite scorers don’t just get breaks on the Oilers, they get them in all sports, at all levels.

  32. Ducey says:

    Woodguy: No.

    We want Stamkos at ~$7.5MM because he takes a discount to play with McAwesome and wants to be part of team that will win multiple Cups.

    Stamkos’ current cap hit is $7.5 M. He has to be looking at a raise to at least $9 million a year.

    He is going to leave $10.5 million ($1.5 M x 7 yrs) on the table to come to EDM and be part of the never ending rebuild?

    I have not been following his contract negotiation rumours, but it seems unlikely.

  33. Atc-Nate says:

    vinotintazo: didnt know yak scored 20.. ever… heh.

    Touché … Pretty sure his shortened rookie season extrapolates to 30+, but don’t remember … The thought was that I could probably score 20 on McD’s wing with my stick on the ice. 😉 And I do like Yak’s contract and attitude.

    Looked it up and 17 goals, 48 games.

  34. haters says:

    Great stuff from Bruce this morning. Especially that dig at Ebs … LT can you link that star gazer music for me ? I need that in my life 🙂

  35. jonrmcleod says:

    Магия 10,

    As recently as the end of January, some people were saying Bennett had a shot at the ROY: http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/01/23/sam-bennetts-hot-hand-prompts-rookie-of-the-year-talk

    I could be like DSF and say, “Take away that 4 goal game and Bennett only has 11 goals–one less than McDavid in 34 fewer games.”

  36. vinotintazo says:

    Atc-Nate: Touché … Pretty sure his shortened rookie season extrapolates to 30+, but don’t remember … The thought was that I could probably score 20 on McD’s wing with my stick on the ice. ? And I do like Yak’s contract and attitude.

    Looked it up and 17 goals, 48 games.

    dont know if he can score 20 now, if the lockout year he would have played 82 games, then probably yes.

    when McD went down he only had 2 goals, is not like he was scoring more goals, he was just getting points.

    for his sake I hope he can do it, I don’t thing he will be here long term. shame.

  37. Магия 10 says:

    Woodguy: I had heard that UBS was the supplier of the loan and that McKesson’s had guaranteed it, not actually supplied the money.

    UBS also did the deal for Katz to buy the Oilers iirc.

    The history with McKesson goes back to the beginning of the Katz empire. Who knows if its only cash and interest?

    Suppose wood supply was locked up by folks that invented and patented all the types of wood your customers want. You want to buy up a large chuck of small wood retailers with the acquisition money guaranteed by a huge wood distributor and HSBC supplies the actual cash. Do you think the distributor is only getting straight interest and supply agreements? Or do they also get unconditional options to convert debt into equity? If so multiply that by every new chain you buy for 20 years with similar guarantees. Now you want to buy the Oilers. Your whole history is open to HSBC. No wonder you’re back to HSBC.for an Oilers deal. (Now it’s time to tear down Woodguy Place. That’s got a certain ring to it)

    Now I don’t know wood or pharmacy and I know nothing about Katz’s bottom line. But equally we don’t know what his assets – liabilities looked like last week or today after the exit from Katz Health. And it’s a hard time to have moved recently into Alberta real estate.

  38. Atc-Nate says:

    vinotintazo: dont know if he can score 20 now, if the lockout year he would have played 82 games, then probably yes.

    when McD went down he only had 2 goals, is not like he was scoring more goals, he was just getting points.

    for his sake I hope he can do it, I don’t thing he will be here long term. shame.

    Completely agree. I think McD took a dozen games to get rolling. I think NOW, Yak could scored 5-8 before the season ends… If he stays on that line. Then we can start the argument of whether 6 mill for Eberle is worth the 3.5 mil extra vs Yak if he scores only 10 more a year.

  39. Norman Greenbaum says:

    Sportsnet has Hall not making the WC. Wonder if Mr. Crosby puts in a good word. After all, he got to take BFF Kunitz to Sochi.

  40. LoDog says:

    Norman Greenbaum:
    Sportsnet has Hall not making the WC.Wonder if Mr. Crosby puts in a good word.After all, he got to take BFF Kunitz to Sochi.

    I think he makes it but not the initial 16. Too many good soldiers from the Olympics to name first.

  41. Kaptain Vikarious says:

    As I’ve become somewhat less familiar with wood the past decade, I’ve become acquainted with pharmacy.

  42. Woodguy says:

    Ducey: Stamkos’ current cap hit is $7.5 M. He has to be looking at a raise to at least $9 million a year.

    He is going to leave $10.5 million ($1.5 M x 7 yrs) on the table to come to EDM and be part of the never ending rebuild?

    I have not been following his contract negotiation rumours, but it seems unlikely.

    You did not notice that my post says “we want”

    No where did I predict or claim to know anything about his intentions.

  43. jonrmcleod says:

    So when Team North America faces Team Canada, which team will you cheer for?

  44. raventalon40 says:

    Any word if Pat Maroon will be with team?

  45. Adam Wu says:

    vinotintazo: dont know if he can score 20 now, if the lockout year he would have played 82 games, then probably yes.

    when McD went down he only had 2 goals, is not like he was scoring more goals, he was just getting points.

    for his sake I hope he can do it, I don’t thing he will be here long term. shame.

    In those games with McDavid, Yak was the energy guy, the guy who went into the scrums and corners and dug out the puck. The guy who created the chaos that broke up the opposition’s system and allowed McDavid to take advantage of his speed and hockey smarts to the maximum degree. Yak’s play directly generated several goals for which he didn’t get any points for. And that was also the role he played successfully in the McDavid-Eberle-Yak line yesterday. He was doing Pouliot’s job on that line.

    Yak was not, and is not, at the NHL level, an elite scoring sniper like Eberle is, and won’t be unless and until he figures out how to make his shot more accurate. And right now we don’t actually know if Yak will EVER be able to take that next step with his shot.

    Yak isn’t actually simply a cheaper but less productive replacement for Eberle in terms of position and role.

  46. TheGreatMutato says:

    Frank the dog:
    We want Stamkos @ $10M per?

    It ain’t my money.

    Honestly though, it would make this a very enjoyable season for me to see the Oilers not only out lottery the Leafs, but also sign away their precious Stamkos. I would watch TSN for a week straight.

    http://i.imgur.com/hbLzjQ2.jpg

  47. CrazyCoach says:

    maxwell_mischief: I’d make the argument that Yak really suffers from a systematic racism and it would be best for him as a player if he moved on. Edmonton has historically been pretty unkind to Russians, and Todd Mclellan has never really coached one as a head coach except Nabokov – but that’s a goalie so they’re allowed to be a little off, amiright?! Chiarelli drafted one russian in 8 drafts. MacT had a crush on Grebeshkov, but he was always a little afraid of Russians, spare Samsonov for one playoff run.
    I mean, I’m probably reaching… but this is a thing.
    Raised by Don Cherry Canadians…

    Actually, you’re not too far off from what sociologists would call, “Stacking”, which is when a player is asked/cast into a position/role on a team based primarily on race or ethnicity rather than playing ability. I have said for years that First Nations players are often cast/forced into fighter/checker roles, because “Indians are tough and grow up that way and they have heart”. Thank goodness for guys like Jonathan Cheechoo and Carey Price who seem to be shattering the whole “Chief” image.

    Nail is a bit of an enigma in that he is from a region of Russia that is primarily Muslim and a definite minority. He gets painted with that “Russians are skilled, but have no heart” brush a few times. Sadly, he is a good player and wants to stay in Edmonton, but his skill won’t be appreciated until he’s gone.

  48. Ducey says:

    Atc-Nate: Completely agree. I think McD took a dozen games to get rolling. I think NOW, Yak could scored 5-8 before the season ends… If he stays on that line. Then we can start the argument of whether 6 mill for Eberle is worth the 3.5 mil extra vs Yak if he scores only 10 more a year.

    Yak has 2 points in his last 20 games. He has 5 in his last 36 games.

    I don’t care who he is playing with, those numbers are unacceptable.

    The question is not whether he gets rewarded with prime minutes, its why the hell he is even in the lineup.

  49. Klam says:

    Atc-Nate,

    Thx, thought he had an assist on the OT goal. My mistake. Means Ebs barely made up for his big gaff with only one assist. If not for McDavid that probably would have been a game in the loss column.

  50. vinotintazo says:

    Ducey: Yak has 2 points in his last 20 games. He has 5 in his last 36 games.

    thats horrible…

  51. JDï™ says:

    jonrmcleod:
    So when Team North America faces Team Canada, which team will you cheer for?

    I’ll be cheering for the NAYS, but really just hoping for good hockey.

  52. Drew says:

    Adam Wu: What matters to team success is the total balance of offensive and defensive performance. A player can make up for defensive mistakes with offensive performance. The better the offensive performance, the more defensive mistakes can be tolerated.

    That’s how good teams win. The single standard by which all players are measured is the NET balance of offence and defence that they achieve.

    Eberle isn’t getting any special “pass” for his errors that other players do not. He is being properly judged on whether or not his NET contribution over the course of the game is positive or negative.

    And it was undoubtedly positive in this game.

    Really, we are sitting at 29th or 30th for so long now and some very poor work habits are allowed because that “guy” does some good things a little more often than some other “guys”. Oh and he chews up a much bigger part of the limited budget. feels like that is an excuse for why the team is where it is at today.
    BTW I do understand the produce more than you give up concept, i am sitting here doing budgets for a number of businesses and there are a few folks who do not meet the cutoff point. 🙂

  53. Ducey says:

    Woodguy: You did not notice that my post says “we want”

    No where did I predict or claim to know anything about his intentions.

    Fair enough.

  54. Drew says:

    northof51:
    Drew,

    It seems that you might be alluding to the Yak situation. Yak does not produce enough to make up for his mistakes. He is inherently more easily replaced than Ebs. Elite scorers don’t just get breaks on the Oilers, they get them in all sports, at all levels.

    i would love to see the spreadsheet proof of this, esp in relation to the cost of each employee to the total budget.

  55. Ducey says:

    Kaptain Vikarious:
    As I’ve become somewhat less familiar with wood the past decade, I’ve become acquainted with pharmacy.

    Woodguy has a pharmacy?

  56. striatic says:

    Sekera also deserves an unofficial assist on the OT winner.

    He hounded Eichel until Eichel tried something kind of dumb which sent McDavid back the other way, where the Sabres D was much more passive.

  57. Магия 10 says:

    Drew: Really, we are sitting at 29th or 30th for so long now and some very poor work habits are allowed because that “guy” does some good things a little more often than some other “guys”. Oh and he chews up a much bigger part of the limited budget. feels like that is an excuse for why the team is where it is at today.
    BTW I do understand the produce more than you give up concept, i am sitting here doing budgets for a number of businesses and there are a few folks who do not meet the cutoff point.

    Your spreadsheet will weep when you get to a line of business where 3/4 of your budget goes years in advance to the 1/4 of players who are not replaceable. Be sure to whack them first when you want to turn things around.

  58. Магия 10 says:

    Ducey: Woodguy has a pharmacy?

    Norwegian Wood.

  59. stevezie says:

    CrazyCoach,

    I love Nail, but his point totals are hard to ignore.

    The rest of this season may decide his NHL future (he is finally getting a shot with a scoring C), and he has to do it on his off-wing.

    Sigh.

    “Prove me wrong, children! Prove me wrong!”

  60. Drew says:

    LoDog: Yes. Players that actually produce (and in Eberle’s case, elite production) get cut some slack.

    It’s the way of the world.

    you are correct you can hold some players to a different standard and it does happen does not mean it is correct, but go for it.

    “Practice we are talking about practice”
    legendary quote by AI that sums this up.

  61. Woodguy says:

    Магия 10: The history with McKesson goes back to the beginning of the Katz empire. Who knows if its only cash and interest?

    Suppose wood supply was locked up by folks that invented and patented all the types ofwood your customers want. You want to buy up a large chuck of small wood retailers with the acquisition money guaranteed by a huge wood distributor and HSBC supplies the actual cash. Do you think the distributor is only getting straight interest and supply agreements? Or do they also get unconditional options to convert debt into equity?If so multiply that by every new chain you buy for 20 years with similar guarantees. Now you want to buy the Oilers. Your whole history is open to HSBC. No wonder you’re back to HSBC.for an Oilers deal. (Now it’s time to tear down Woodguy Place. That’s got a certain ring to it)

    Now I don’t know wood or pharmacy and I know nothing about Katz’s bottom line. But equally we don’t know what his assets – liabilities looked like last week or today after the exit from Katz Health. And it’s a hard time to have moved recently into Alberta real estate.

    I understand a convertible debt deal.

    All I am saying is that I heard that McKesson’s didn’t loan Katz the money, but rather guaranteed the loan in exchange for significantly expanded market share.

    So no convertible debt.

    I could be wrong, but I read that years ago and now it’s best to impossible to find that info.Pp

  62. stener says:

    maxwell_mischief,

    I agree with a lot of your sentiments. Even his selection in the draft had it’s own share of controversy.

    I think as soon as MacT gave Ralph his papers, the writing was on the wall for Yak. He never bounced back from his impactful (albeit shooting percentage driven) rookie year. It’s been painfully obvious he’s not universally liked in the organization.

    It’s sad, because he’s truly a good man – someone you want to cheer for, as opposed to the soul-sucking, talentless team of executives the OEG will employ long after Yak has moved on.

    Even then, although Yak has been mishandled, I think he has shown he’s not quite skilled enough to crack the top 6, and doesn’t fit into the blueprints of the sixes, sevens and nines of the future team. I will cheer for him wherever he ends up.

  63. JDï™ says:

    striatic: Sekera also deserves an unofficial assist on the OT winner.

    Agreed. That was some great hustle in OT by him.

    The Sabres player who passed the puck along his own blue line on that first shift of the game should get something entirely different. It was nice seeing that done by someone not wearing the Oil drop.

  64. Магия 10 says:

    Woodguy: All I am saying is that I heard that McKesson’s didn’t loan Katz the money, but rather guaranteed the loan in exchange for significantly expanded market share.

    So no convertible debt.

    I could be wrong, but I read that years ago and now it’s best to impossible tofind that info.Pp

    Agreed. With private companies we don’t really know much.

  65. Big Dan says:

    Not sure if anybody has commented yet.

    6 GA in 4 GP since Schultz left.

  66. Caramel Batman says:

    Drew: Feels like some players get a pass for this and other do not???

    If anything I think guys like Eberle get more criticism for defensive mistakes. The expectations are higher across the board while third and fourth line players are graded on a curve.

    It’s like the old received wisdom in baseball that poor hitting catchers are always good defensively. It’s not true, but everyone assumes they are because they can’t hit.

    This leads to the silly notion that guys who can score have to play “top six” minutes or not at all. Why? Most of the time the guy who can score is also better defensively because he is a better player in every way.

    Defensive first hockey players are way overvalued. We know for sure they contribute nothing on offense but we don’t know they are actually better defensively.

  67. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Ducey,

    At this kind of lofty pay scale and with the ability to really select where you play based on a whole suite of factors, taxation and maybe to a lesser degree – foreign exchange movement – are big considerations. Canada and potentially Alberta might be making it harder for a truly elite player like Stamkos to be secured for reasonable ‘elite’ money.

  68. Drew says:

    Магия 10: Your spreadsheet will weep when you get to a line of business where 3/4 of your budget goes years in advance to the 1/4 of players who are not replaceable. Be sure to whack them first when you want to turn things around.

    Not sure what you are trying to say, sorry for my poor comprehension. i pay and protect my hi performers… what I also do is hold them to a high standard so our org culture reflects it. All new comers see what the standard is and know they have to align or leave.

    Seems MJ23 and WG99 did this in their era, might be different today though???

  69. Caramel Batman says:

    All Yakupov has to do to make everyone think he is good is to shoot 20% again instead of 5%.

    For someone who seems to have such a good shot his shooting percentage is incredibly low.

    He’s the forward version of Schultz. His best asset isn’t an asset. The difference is that, unlike Schultz, I think a lot of it is bad luck. Still, at some point the puck has to go into the net. You can’t be a scorer that doesn’t score.

  70. Drew says:

    Caramel Batman: If anything I think guys like Eberle get more criticism for defensive mistakes.The expectations are higher across the board while third and fourth line players are graded on a curve.

    It’s like the old received wisdom in baseball that poor hitting catchers are always good defensively.It’s not true, but everyone assumes they are because they can’t hit.

    This leads to the silly notion that guys who can score have to play “top six” minutes or not at all.Why?Most of the time the guy who can score is also better defensively because he is a better player in every way.

    Defensive first hockey players are way overvalued.We know for sure they contribute nothing on offense but we don’t know they are actually better defensively.

    I very much agree with this… Korpse somehow gets new contracts for some unknown intangibles.

    Seems that the Oilers culture is missing something though. I am very much an Eberle fan but should these lessons have been learned already? Gagner, Cogliano, etc. never learned them here?

    I do not know if Yak will be a dominant player or not (prob not) but if the expectations are adjusted to be a hi energy, positive corsi, opportunistic scorer type for 2.5MM is he useful?

  71. sliderule says:

    Eberle was almost there .

    He tried to tie up his stick and couldn’t..

    Eberle is trying to apply back pressure but he is not that quick and can be beat .

    On the same play I saw Yak in the picture on his wrong wing looking at puck carrier and I thought oh oh.

    Yak and Eberle are kind of the same in that both are trying to backcheck but Ebs is a little slow and Yak just doesn’t have a clue. on who or how to cover.

    Like some have said Eberle scoring makes up for some defensive deficiencies that he seems to be trying to correct..Yak just hasn’t delivered on the scoring.

  72. Drew says:

    sliderule:
    Eberle was almost there .

    He tried to tie up his stick and couldn’t..

    Eberle is trying to apply back pressure but he is not that quick and can be beat .

    On the same play I saw Yak in the picture on his wrong wing looking at puck carrier and I thought oh oh.

    Yak and Eberle are kind of the same in that both are trying to backcheck but Ebs is a little slow and Yak just doesn’t have a clue. on who or how to cover.

    Like some have said Eberle scoring makes up for some defensive deficiencies that he seems to be trying to correct..Yak just hasn’t delivered on the scoring.

    Sorry very wrong here on one point Eberle had him and can skate just as fast, he let him go. Nothing else he let him go. Yak was in no mans land with no check in place as well, so he eats what he kills as well.

  73. Woodguy says:

    Ducey: Yak has 2 points in his last 20 games. He has 5 in his last 36 games.

    I don’t care who he is playing with, those numbers are unacceptable.

    The question is not whether he gets rewarded with prime minutes, its why the hell he is even in the lineup.

    Some forwards with and without TheTestu (and TOI together)

    GoalsForOn/60
    Kassian with 0.88 (136min)
    Kassian without 2.08

    Yakupoffside with 0.97 (186 min)
    Yakupoffside without 2.61

    Eberle with 0.00 – yes no goals (36min)
    Eberle without 2.35

    Pouliot with 0.00 – yes no goals (35min)
    Pouliot without 2.61

    So Oilers score more often when Yak is with TheTestu than Eberle and also score more often when Yak is away from The Testu than Eberle.

    Are you sure that you actually believe this statement?:

    I don’t care who he is playing with, those numbers are unacceptable.

  74. RJ2016 says:

    I read the Friedman piece, and I found the piece on Hamuis vs. Russell very relevant to the Oil.

    Controlled zone exits are a fundamental part of the game, and it’s one area that the Oilers D is extremely poor at. You have a forward group that excels scoring off the rush, but zero defencemen able to start the rush with a break-out pass more than 10-12 feet.

    I’d love to see the controlled zone entries and exit stats for the Oil. Anyone know where to find them?

    I’d also be curious to find out where those stats are kept for all NHL defencemen. Anyone know? The Friedman piece notes Russell is a top-30 defender in this area. Love to see the list.

  75. Doug McLachlan says:

    Big Yak fan but I accept that he’s not turned into the player we hoped he would. Still believe that there is a sniper to be extracted from that mess but that potential will probably be unlocked somewhere else.

    Chia and TMac will give him the rest of the season with some prime opportunities to shine and this may up the trade value. That said, not sure what he could show between now and the end of the season to feel we got value for him. Apparently Montreal is interested in him – presumably to reunite with Alex Galchenyuk – at at only $2.5M for next year that is a reasonable price for a goal-scorer whose hit on hard times. Have trouble seeing him as a Therien type but then again there may be a new coach in Montreal by the draft.

    What would be a reasonable return from the Habs?

  76. Woodguy says:

    Магия 10: Norwegian Wood.

    Isn’t it good?

  77. Drew says:

    Woodguy: Some forwards with and without TheTestu (and TOI together)

    GoalsForOn/60
    Kassian with 0.88 (136min)
    Kassian without2.08

    Yakupoffside with 0.97 (186 min)
    Yakupoffside without 2.61

    Eberle with 0.00 – yes no goals (36min)
    Eberle without 2.35

    Pouliot with 0.00 – yes no goals (35min)
    Pouliot without 2.61

    So Oilers score more often when Yak is with TheTestu than Eberle and also score more often when Yak is away from The Testu than Eberle.

    Are you sure that you actually believe this statement?:

    I don’t care who he is playing with, those numbers are unacceptable.

    VG point WG

  78. 99266in87 says:

    striatic:
    Sekera also deserves an unofficial assist on the OT winner.

    He hounded Eichel until Eichel tried something kind of dumb which sent McDavid back the other way, where the Sabres D was much more passive.
    Agree totally. Also what I saw was that moment Eichel said “fuck it” and stopped his attack and spun around. 97 goes the other way, crossed the blue line, did 5 cross overs wide around the sabre D and drove to the net. Driving to the net by my definition is “heavy” as well. 75 foot shots when your first across the blue line don’t accomplish anything. So, our most skilled player, is also “heavy”. Jmho

  79. Магия 10 says:

    Drew: Not sure what you are trying to say, sorry for my poor comprehension. i pay and protect my hi performers… what I also do is hold them to a high standard so our org culture reflects it. All new comers see what the standard is and know they have to align or leave.

    Seems MJ23 and WG99 did this in their era, might be different today though???

    Fine if you’ve got the culture or you can swap in as many high performers as you can pay. But finishers like Ebs are locked up.for years and you have to lock them up for years if you get one. What have you done for me lately is fine with the bottom 75%. The elite finisher you need to plug into the end result of your turn around could be the guy you whack. I’m not saying there isn’t a deal out there where Ebs should go out.

  80. Water Fire says:

    For me the offense/defense issue isn’t so cut and dried. I don’t think Yak or Eberle should become grinders, but at the same time they can’t be liabilities to the team. There is a balance where a player can be dependable.

    The Oilers have been sunk a million times by weak own zone play. That is when there is nothing to lose. Imagine playoffs. I would wager any player that can’t help keep the puck out of the net won’t be staying. Nobody but Connor can outscore being a liability on the OIlers current roster.

    And Eberle getting a lot of points because Connor doesn’t count, fire hydrants and that.

  81. Durag says:

    Woodguy: Some forwards with and without TheTestu (and TOI together)

    GoalsForOn/60
    Kassian with 0.88 (136min)
    Kassian without2.08

    Yakupoffside with 0.97 (186 min)
    Yakupoffside without 2.61

    Eberle with 0.00 – yes no goals (36min)
    Eberle without 2.35

    Pouliot with 0.00 – yes no goals (35min)
    Pouliot without 2.61

    So Oilers score more often when Yak is with TheTestu than Eberle and also score more often when Yak is away from The Testu than Eberle.

    Are you sure that you actually believe this statement?:

    I don’t care who he is playing with, those numbers are unacceptable.

    The Belangers…they’ve evolved. They’ve learned to score goals and fool our detection systems!

  82. meanashell11 says:

    Woodguy: I understand a convertible debt deal.

    All I am saying is that I heard that McKesson’s didn’t loan Katz the money, but rather guaranteed the loan in exchange for significantly expanded market share.

    So no convertible debt.

    I seem to remember when Katz applied to buy the Oilers his statement of financial affairs showed he owned Rexall outright and had no debt.

    I could be wrong, but I read that years ago and now it’s best to impossible tofind that info.Pp

    I seem to remember when he applied to buy the Oilers his statement of financial affairs showed he owned Rexall outright with no debt.

  83. Adam Wu says:

    Drew: Really, we are sitting at 29th or 30th for so long now and some very poor work habits are allowed because that “guy” does some good things a little more often than some other “guys”. Oh and he chews up a much bigger part of the limited budget. feels like that is an excuse for why the team is where it is at today.
    BTW I do understand the produce more than you give up concept, i am sitting here doing budgets for a number of businesses and there are a few folks who do not meet the cutoff point.

    If Eberle’s net contribution, which is measured against NHL opposition and not in a vacuum, is positive, then his performance is not the problem, nor the reason the team is in 29th place.

    This definitional. If you have a team full of net positive performers, then you will do superior to league average. If you are below league average the reason is that you have too few net positive performers, not the perceived faults, subjectively magnified by whatever private metric you choose to you, of the few players you have that are net positive performers.

  84. Bumblebpete says:

    LT, Wasn’t last nights game in March?

    Trying to bump up the February stats are we?

    Love your Blogs and Radio shows, keep up the good work.

    P.S. What’s a HD Corsi? High Definition???

  85. Cahoon says:

    Woodguy: Some forwards with and without TheTestu (and TOI together)

    GoalsForOn/60
    Kassian with 0.88 (136min)
    Kassian without2.08

    Yakupoffside with 0.97 (186 min)
    Yakupoffside without 2.61

    Eberle with 0.00 – yes no goals (36min)
    Eberle without 2.35

    Pouliot with 0.00 – yes no goals (35min)
    Pouliot without 2.61

    So Oilers score more often when Yak is with TheTestu than Eberle and also score more often when Yak is away from The Testu than Eberle.

    Are you sure that you actually believe this statement?:

    I don’t care who he is playing with, those numbers are unacceptable.

    The sad thing about this is I bet money next game Yak goes back to the oubliette with TesTube and new big guy acquisition Maroon gets to play with MacEberle.

  86. Woodguy says:

    Drew: VG point WG

    TY DR

  87. Drew says:

    Магия 10: Fine if you’ve got the culture or you can swap in as many high performers as you can pay. But finishers like Ebs are locked up.for years and you have to lock them up for years if you get one. What have you done for me lately is fine with the bottom 75%. The elite finisher you need to plug into the end result of your turn around could be the guy you whack. I’m not saying there isn’t a deal out there where Ebs should go out.

    I remember reading an interview with Dan Heatley years ago when he was a promising goal scorer. the question was about the things other than scoring and his response was (paraphrase) I just snipe goals that’s what I get paid for, the other stuff is not my worry.

    He was certainly an elite finisher who never got it. This many years in and 6M/yr. I hope Eberle gets it. At least he is in the picture (small steps). I am saying you do not live with the warts if you want to win (it all) because you never know when you get an outbreak.

    I am saying that the Oilers have a great resource and they may have screwed it up by allowing these behaviors to continue for so long. I feel that KLowe was trying to recreate the BOTB model, get young talent together and let it organically develop.

  88. Woodguy says:

    Durag: The Belangers…they’ve evolved. They’ve learned to score goals and fool our detection systems!

    $1.8MM for 2 more years.

    Yeeesh.

  89. godot10 says:

    Like Eberle, Patrick Kane isn’t very good defensely.

    One finds a way to play players to their strength, and use deployment to ameliorate their weaknesses.

    That is what good coaches do. Learn what a player does well and what they do poorly, and then build systems and deployment strategies based on the players one has.

    Eberle’s strength (near elite goal-scoring abilities) are a scarce skill, and thus extremely difficult to replace. His mediocre defensive play can always be ameliorated by deployment.

    The Oilers need a #3 or better D desperately, so if Eberle gets traded for that, that’s fine. But otherwise he can be a key cog in a winning team, just like Kane.

  90. AsiaOil says:

    There is a simple stat, which is imperfect and and requires context, accomplishes this. Eberle is-11 this season and all of that negativity was created with the best line mates possible on this team.

    Drew: northof51:
    Drew,
    It seems that you might be alluding to the Yak situation. Yak does not produce enough to make up for his mistakes. He is inherently more easily replaced than Ebs. Elite scorers don’t just get breaks on the Oilers, they get them in all sports, at all levels.

    i would love to see the spreadsheet proof of this, esp in relation to the cost of each employee to the total budget.

  91. Woodguy says:

    Cahoon: oubliette

    I really hope not.

    Chia mentioned that “some forwards” haven’t been able to play with offensive centers due to injury.

    I think they keep Yak with McDavid.

    When RNH gets healthy (WPG on Sunday seems to be the rumour) I see these lines:

    4-93-44
    19-97-14
    23-29-10 – – – might put Cracknell on RW and 10 on LW.
    Dross

    I think they want to see all 3 C’s play C and I think they want to get Leon away from the best.

  92. rickithebear says:

    Big Dan:
    Not sure if anybody has commented yet.

    6 GA in 4 GP since Schultz left.

    4gm 5GA in regulation and 1 rackell OTG.

  93. Chicken Laser says:

    The defense just look so much better the last two games. We’ve had three young or untouted players come in (Davidson, Osterle, and Clandening), and look like geniuses compared after the Schultz era. It looks to me like every move a defenseman makes is made for a reason (wholy crap!). I don’t know if it’s just a skewed perception due to Schultz Separation Syndrome, but Clendening looks like he has a clear idea of what he’s doing before he actually does it. Furthermore, Osterle is a beauty that can skate, and we can’t say enough about Davidson.

  94. Drew says:

    Магия 10: Fine if you’ve got the culture or you can swap in as many high performers as you can pay. But finishers like Ebs are locked up.for years and you have to lock them up for years if you get one. What have you done for me lately is fine with the bottom 75%. The elite finisher you need to plug into the end result of your turn around could be the guy you whack. I’m not saying there isn’t a deal out there where Ebs should go out.

    Again i agree with what you are sating, Ebs needs to start driving culture not acting like the victim (oh know i screwed up)

  95. russ99 says:

    godot10:
    Like Eberle, Patrick Kane isn’t very good defensely.

    One finds a way to play players to their strength, and use deployment to ameliorate their weaknesses.

    That is what good coaches do.Learn what a player does well and what they do poorly, and then build systems and deployment strategies based on the players one has.

    Eberle’s strength (near elite goal-scoring abilities) are a scarce skill, and thus extremely difficult to replace.His mediocre defensive play can always be ameliorated by deployment.

    The Oilers need a #3 or better D desperately, so if Eberle gets traded for that, that’s fine.But otherwise he can be a key cog in a winning team, just like Kane.

    As much as we want, McLellan’s not changing the systems that he used to get to a conference championship, rather Chia is acquiring players who can play McLellan’s systems.

    Doesn’t bode well for Eberle or Yak.

    So yes, we should expect forwards who can help out on D, players who can cycle after the dump, and expect less of long tape to tape breakout passes for odd man breaks in the offensive zone.

  96. Atc-Nate says:

    Ducey: Yak has 2 points in his last 20 games. He has 5 in his last 36 games.

    I don’t care who he is playing with, those numbers are unacceptable.

    The question is not whether he gets rewarded with prime minutes, its why the hell he is even in the lineup.

    when was the last time Eberle played with someone not named Nuge, Drai or McD….. IF we are comparing the general statement should be made that we aren’t comparing similar players playing similar minutes with similarly skilled players.

    I’m not arguing that Eberle isn’t better than Yak, but I AM suggesting that in the $ per goal column over the next 16 games or so, Eberle will cost more. However I could be wrong as I really like Yak for his effort and, skills aside, don’t like Jordan’s … Full stop. That’s not applicable to my argument, only stating that I’m biased.

  97. AsiaOil says:

    So we should just expect Eberle to make plays that are weak and lazy because he can score a few pretty goals. Watch the replay on this goal:

    https://www.nhl.com/video/oreillys-3rd-period-equalizer/t-278829410/c-42037003

    You have a behind the net view of Eberle “checking” Oreilly all the way from center ice down to the net starting at 19 seconds. OReilly was behind Eblere and passes him just past center, Ebs lets him go and does nothing to get in better position – in fact – he only take a stride and a half from center all the way to the goal. He’s in full glide mode. Then at the net he doesn’t engage physically or tie up OReilly’s stick which led to an incredibly easy goal. It’s a lazy bullshit effort that he should be utterly embarrassed about – and it’s got nothing to do with size or strength. He just didn’t care enough to play basic defense. It’s even worse as the EXACT same play happened earlier with Kassian back checking and tying his man up properly to completely negate the scoring chance. LT and I both commented on the good play. Shultz got rightfully lambasted by TMac on a similar effort against OTT – his response on Eb’s play – crickets. Think the team doesn’t notice the difference?

    This type of play will absolutely kill you in meaningful games in March and especially in the playoffs. If you can’t care enough to play proper defense now then it’s unlike you will care enough in the playoffs after the opposition has been hammering you night after night. This is about mental strength and willingness to compete at both ends of the ice. Eberle has no problem putting in a lot of effort in the offensive zone, but his compete level in the defensive zone is showing a ton of holes. Far more than anyone being paid $6 million should have. There are ZERO excuses for the level of compete shown on that goal.

  98. rickithebear says:

    godot10: Eberle’s strength (near elite goal-scoring abilities) are a scarce skill, and thus extremely difficult to replace. His mediocre defensive play can always be ameliorated by deployment.

    Hall faces #11/330 fwd comp .692 EVPPG

    RNH faces #17/330 .456 EVPPG

    Eberle faces #38/330
    healthy 39gm 13evg 16 EVA 1.00 EVPPG

    Draisatl faces #43/330 .673 EVPPG

    Gaudreau #135/330 .758 EVPPG

    Kane faces #150/330 .859 EVPPG

    Seguin faces #158/330 .708 EVPPG

    Benn faces #165/330 .692 EVPPG

  99. sliderule says:

    godot10,

    Eberle was in the picture and granted made a weak effort.

    P Kane usually isn’t even in the picture as he drifts back waiting to go on offence.

  100. sliderule says:

    Drew,

    You are right he had him and stopped moving his legs and at last second tried a weak stick check.

    The thing is he was at least in picture .

    In past years he wouldn’t have got back to zone.

  101. Drew says:

    sliderule:
    Drew,

    You are right he had him and stopped moving his legs and at last second tried a weak stick check.

    The thing is he was at least in picture .

    In past years he wouldn’t have got back to zone.

    Ebs needs to drive culture now, as a senior leader on the team. in Chicago there are other great players who cover up for Kane. Ebs is a good player with a critical skill, i don’t feel like he will be a great player which is a shame. The only thing holding him back is the effort, he has the potential.

  102. AsiaOil says:

    Hall also played a weak-assed game last night for the most part. I’ve been really positive about him all season but he’s really regressing back into his old bad habits the past month. I wanted him to be captain a month ago – not any more. The next month is going to be absolutely critical in terms of who has the mental toughness to keep playing in spite of the standing. This will determine who stays and who gets traded. Losing is adversity, being hit is adversity, a stifling defensive system is adversity – and we will see who has the toughness to overcome adversity this month. This season really has been about the emergence of McDavid, Drai, Talbot and Davidson – the new core. If the old core can’t provide the necessary leadership or show the necessary toughness – they will be dealt for players who can.

    Meet the new core – not the same as the old core.

  103. Ducey says:

    Woodguy: Some forwards with and without TheTestu (and TOI together)

    GoalsForOn/60
    Kassian with 0.88 (136min)
    Kassian without2.08

    Yakupoffside with 0.97 (186 min)
    Yakupoffside without 2.61

    Eberle with 0.00 – yes no goals (36min)
    Eberle without 2.35

    Pouliot with 0.00 – yes no goals (35min)
    Pouliot without 2.61

    So Oilers score more often when Yak is with TheTestu than Eberle and also score more often when Yak is away from The Testu than Eberle.

    Are you sure that you actually believe this statement?:

    I don’t care who he is playing with, those numbers are unacceptable.

    Letestu has 4 points in his last 20 games. Kassian has 6 pts in his 19 games an Oiler. Yak 2.

    If Yak lovers believe that his 2 points in the last 20 prove that he is just as good an offensive producer as those guys, then wow, what a selection at #1!

    Yak has played 500 minutes 5 x 5 this year. As you say 186 of them are with Letestu. That’s 314 minutes without him. Plus another 76 minutes of PP time. Kind of hard to blame all his failings on the guy he spends 32% of his time with.

    I also note that Letstu is getting the worst zone starts on the team. 43.7% of his faceoffs start in the defensive zone, (24.3% offensive). Nail is even (29 O, 29D, 41 NZ) and 24th on the team in terms of defensive zone starts.

    If Yak was playing Letestu’s zone starts, he wouldn’t even have as many points as Mark.

  104. Norman Greenbaum says:

    Wow, didn’t take long after the departure of Schultz for people to start they’re nominations for Goat of the Year.

    This whole “if he doesn’t get it, he should be traded for someone who does” BS is so flawed. It assumes that whomever you’re trying to trade the player to doesn’t watch hockey, have a scouting department and have never played against him.

    So, your whole premise is “the rest of the league and his stats say he’s a darling, but only I really know he’s a lazy, good for nothing bum. Watch me trade him to some poor sap for a #1D! Mwa-ha-ha!”

    The good guys won last night. Mistakes were made. Coach will sort them out. Be happy. Honestly, you can afford yourself a little inner grin from time to time. Or should I trawl back to the hattrick night in the big smoke and repost a few posts from the same people with the opposite opinion on a certain player?

  105. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy: Some forwards with and without TheTestu (and TOI together)

    GoalsForOn/60
    Kassian with 0.88 (136min)
    Kassian without2.08

    Yakupoffside with 0.97 (186 min)
    Yakupoffside without 2.61

    Eberle with 0.00 – yes no goals (36min)
    Eberle without 2.35

    Pouliot with 0.00 – yes no goals (35min)
    Pouliot without 2.61

    So Oilers score more often when Yak is with TheTestu than Eberle and also score more often when Yak is away from The Testu than Eberle.

    Are you sure that you actually believe this statement?:

    I don’t care who he is playing with, those numbers are unacceptable.

    Letestu’s good at shot suppression, they’ve got to stop playing him with skilled players thinking he can score and play him in the Gordon minutes.

    Either Lander has to be replaced by someone with scoring touch+PK ability, or RNH should be 3C

  106. GCW_69 says:

    AsiaOil:
    Hall also played a weak-assed game last night for the most part. I’ve been really positive about him all season but he’s really regressing back into his old bad habits the past month. I wanted him to be captain a month ago – not any more. The next month is going to be absolutely critical in terms of who has the mental toughness to keep playing in spite of the standing. This will determine who stays and who gets traded. Losing is adversity, being hit is adversity, a stifling defensive system is adversity – and we will see who has the toughness to overcome adversity this month. This season really has been about the emergence of McDavid, Drai, Talbot and Davidson – the new core. If the old core can’t provide the necessary leadership or show the necessary toughness – they will be dealt for players who can.

    Meet the new core – not the same as the old core.

    He definitely dogged it on that play where he lost the pick skating it back to the Sabres blue line and let Fayne, not the greatest skater, do the hard work.

    That said, six years of losing has to wear on a person. To expect him to be awesome through yet another death march probably isn’t being realistic.

    Part of the reason I advocate trying to trade Hall for Lindholm is I think Hall deserves to be set free.

  107. rich says:

    AsiaOil:
    So we should just expect Eberle to make plays that are weak and lazy because he can score a few pretty goals. Watch the replay on this goal:

    https://www.nhl.com/video/oreillys-3rd-period-equalizer/t-278829410/c-42037003

    You have a behind the net view of Eberle “checking” Oreilly all the way from center ice down to the net starting at 19 seconds. OReilly was behind Eblere and passes him just past center, Ebs lets him go and does nothing to get in better position – in fact – he only take a stride and a half from center all the way to the goal. He’s in full glide mode. Then at the net he doesn’t engage physically or tie up OReilly’s stick which led to an incredibly easy goal. It’s a lazy bullshit effort that he should be utterly embarrassed about – and it’s got nothing to do with size or strength. He just didn’t care enough to play basic defense. It’s even worse as the EXACT same play happened earlier with Kassian back checking and tying his man up properly to completely negate the scoring chance. LT and I both commented on the good play. Shultz got rightfully lambasted by TMac on a similar effort against OTT – his response on Eb’s play – crickets. Think the team doesn’t notice the difference?

    This type of play will absolutely kill you in meaningful games in March and especially in the playoffs. If you can’t care enough to play proper defense now then it’s unlike you will care enough in the playoffs after the opposition has been hammering you night after night. This is about mental strength and willingness to compete at both ends of the ice. Eberle has no problem putting in a lot of effort in the offensive zone, but his compete level in the defensive zone is showing a ton of holes. Far more than anyone being paid $6 million should have. There are ZERO excuses for the level of compete shown on that goal.

    This may have been said earlier but if you noticed, on the very next shift (in the defensive zone), Eberle did not go out w/McDavid or Yakupov. Instead, Letetsu was out for shift (McDavid took the face-off, Letetsu was on the wing).

    Now, it’s only 1 shift and he was back out on the shift after that, but I think McLellan noticed it and parked Ebs for a shift (I know, big deal, 1 lousy shift).

    Glad you pointed out Kassian’s play just a little bit earlier too. I like Ebs offensive play, but he’s really not faced the scrutiny that Yak or even a Gags used to get for his lapses.

  108. Stelio Kontos says:

    Hopefully someone want the superstar Lauri Korpikoski.

  109. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy: Some forwards with and without TheTestu (and TOI together)

    GoalsForOn/60
    Kassian with 0.88 (136min)
    Kassian without2.08

    Yakupoffside with 0.97 (186 min)
    Yakupoffside without 2.61

    Eberle with 0.00 – yes no goals (36min)
    Eberle without 2.35

    Pouliot with 0.00 – yes no goals (35min)
    Pouliot without 2.61

    So Oilers score more often when Yak is with TheTestu than Eberle and also score more often when Yak is away from The Testu than Eberle.

    Are you sure that you actually believe this statement?:

    I don’t care who he is playing with, those numbers are unacceptable.

    You are really anchoring an argument based on Eberle and Pouliot’s 36 minutes with Letestu? That’s 5% of their total ice time. Drawing conclusions based on that seems a stretch. Can I assume you are just being provocative?

  110. rickithebear says:

    Congrats to the Tor Maple Leaf who are excited about going with a youth Movement.

    Fwd:
    Kapanen (19) 1gm 0P – Mcdavid (19) 28gm 31P
    Nylander (19) 1gm 0p – Draisatl (20) 92gm 53P
    Sochnikov (22) 1gm 0p – Yakupov (22) 235gm 103p
    Hyman (23) 1gm – RNH (22) 304gm 218P
    Froese (24) 50gm 5P – Hall (24) 364gm 317P
    Holland (25) 186gm 67P – Kassian (25) 217gm 72P
    Kadri (25) 309gm 186P – Eberle (25) 408gm 323P
    ——————————————————————– at this point Pre Katz assets.
    JVR (26) 446gm 277P

    Defence:
    Carrick (21) 37gm – Nurse (21) 57gm
    Rielly (21) 215gm 83p – Klefbom (22) 107gm 35P
    Percy (22) 12gm 3p – Clendening (23) 37gm 6P
    Corrado (22) 46gm 5p – Davidson (24) 60gm 11P
    Marincin (24) 129gm 13p
    Gardiner (25) 304gm 111P

    Bernier (27) – Talbot (28)
    Sparks (22) – Brossoit (22)

  111. Norman Greenbaum says:

    rich: I like Ebs offensive play, but he’s really not faced the scrutiny that Yak or even a Gags used to get for his lapses.

    When Yak or Gags become top scorers on their respective teams for 3 years out of the next 5, then they will get a cut a little slack. BTW, maybe we should have traded Ebs for Crosby or Getzlaf when they were terrible at the start of the season. Missed opportunity, Chia, firing offence around here!

    Stelio Kontos:
    Hopefully someone want the superstar Lauri Korpikoski.

    You mean the only Oiler currently going to the WC? 😉
    (Until the other teams are named!)

  112. CrazyCoach says:

    stevezie: I love Nail, but his point totals are hard to ignore.
    The rest of this season may decide his NHL future (he is finally getting a shot with a scoring C), and he has to do it on his off-wing.
    Sigh.
    “Prove me wrong, children! Prove me wrong!”

    I agree to. I just know that sometimes guys like Nail get a shorter trial than others.

    The follies of life I guess.

  113. Norman Greenbaum says:

    rickithebear: Congrats to the Tor Maple Leaf who are excited about going with a youth Movement.

    So, what’s the difference between ‘going with a youth movement’ and intentionally tanking? Asking for a friend. Something to do with MSM opinion?

  114. teamblue says:

    Norman Greenbaum: When Yak or Gags become top scorers on their respective teams for 3 years out of the next 5, then they will get a cut a little slack.BTW, maybe we should have traded Ebs for Crosby or Getzlaf when they were terrible at the start of the season.Missed opportunity, Chia, firing offence around here!

    You mean the only Oiler currently going to the WC?
    (Until the other teams are named!)

    Good thing you added that in parenthesis lol. Sekera and Drai on team Europe.

  115. Drew says:

    CrazyCoach: I agree to.I just know that sometimes guys like Nail get a shorter trial than others.

    The follies of life I guess.

    I agree with your view;

    I have asked the question whether Yak can be or is a useful player at 2.5M. Not the question if he is living up to being a 1st overall or should be getting prime line mates and minutes. Seems to get mixed up sometimes.

    The Stats seem to say he is useful and he might realize some of his offensive potential down the road?

    I to am biased, Yak is my favorite person on the team. Not player though, I think he is very flawed and not nearly as valuable as say Ebs.

  116. AsiaOil says:

    As I said yesterday – Hall’s effort on that play kind of told Fayne “hey I just took a dump in the corner, clean it up for me OK? I was really disappointed with that effort and the BUF tv crew were pretty harsh (deservedly so).

    For me this year is different – it’s no death march – the positive signs are all over the place and growing. This season got destroyed by injuries, but you can’t give up, quitting shows mental weakness that will emerge when other types of adversity appears. Plus Hall is the leader and he simply can’t fold if he wants to be recognized as such. TMac has told him this constantly but it appears that he’s quit listening and has “checked out”. If that holds for the balance of the season then you deal him – his talent is obvious – but losers have no place in the future success of the team.

    I’ve been concerned about all of the old core this year to be honest – RNH included – something looks off with all of them. Maybe losing all of those years really has destroyed their “will to win” and that would be a shame. They honestly don’t appear to know how to react to criticism and TMac’s expectations. If thats the case then you cut out the bad wood now as you can’t have the new core infected. I really believe that this month is absolutely critical and will show who has the mental toughness required to stay and win with CMD going forward. The time for excuses is over – guys need to show whether they are winners or losers – and you can do that in spite of circumstances. You need to do that in spite of the circumstances. It will be fascinating to watch and I honestly hope all three of the old core step up to the plate and show us they are winners – but I’m not going to make excuses for them if they don’t – time for excuses is long since past.

    GCW_69: He definitely dogged it on that play where he lost the pick skating it back to the Sabres blue line and let Fayne, not the greatest skater, do the hard work.

    That said, six years of losing has to wear on a person.To expect him to be awesome through yet another death march probably isn’t being realistic.

    Part of the reason I advocate trying to trade Hall for Lindholm is I think Hall deserves to be set free.

  117. Магия 10 says:

    RNH not in the first 16.

  118. flea says:

    No RNH on the NA team (yet). Let the conspiracy theories begin!

    McDavid
    Eichel
    Gaudreau
    Monahan
    Larkin
    Couturier
    Miller
    Saad
    MacKinnon

    Ekblad
    Murray
    Jones
    Reilly

    Gibson
    Hellebuyck
    Murray

  119. Visually better says:

    Im literally in shock there’s no RNH on a team that’s under 23 and there biggest thing is ” no experience, and matching up against the best of the best. My goodness, what a joke

  120. rich says:

    Norman Greenbaum,

    Who needs Crosby, I was thinking OEL (sarcasm).

    Gags got enormous scrutiny and crap for his poor defensive play. Deservedly so.

    Yak was gifted Eakins who helped to ruin him after the team let Horcoff go. It was until MacT finally found a vet center in Roy that he started to do get his offensive bearings again and he produced something like 20 points in the final 28 games last year. McLellan gave him 12 games w/McDavid and started to show chemistry (10 points in 12) and then the injuries came. With comparable help, I think Yak has offensive value.

    And Yak has been criticized for his defensive shortcomings. Rightly so. Part of the growing pains.

    Ebs has been given good offensive support (Hall, Nuge) his entire Oiler career. He does produce. But he also has some defensive deficiencies. That’s my point. Am hoping the coach will work on them.

    Otherwise, then you trade him for OEL…

  121. TheGreatMutato says:

    rickithebear,

    Those are really cool numbers ricki. If you don’t mind me asking, where did you scoop those up from? I’d like to waste a few hours in the afternoon here looking at some stats 😉

  122. rickithebear says:

    If Hall, RNH and Ebs do not make either world cup team.

    Walk in to the room and say to Tmac nad PC.
    You wont support us.
    But want us to face 1st comp.

    We will be glad to face 3rd comp like Seguin, Benn, Gaudreau, and Mcdavid.
    We will provide you a list of 3rd and 4th comp players we will play each game.
    Get your WC players to face the 1st comp.

  123. rickithebear says:

    TheGreatMutato:
    rickithebear,

    Those are really cool numbers ricki. If you don’t mind me asking, where did you scoop those up from? I’d like to waste a few hours in the afternoon here looking at some stats

    Night before on scraps of paper.

    Type during mental breaks from things like termination commisioning for our plant burner mgmt. systems. 100,000 odd tyins.

  124. CrazyCoach says:

    Drew: I have asked the question whether Yak can be or is a useful player at 2.5M. Not the question if he is living up to being a 1st overall or should be getting prime line mates and minutes. Seems to get mixed up sometimes.

    Call it the “Doug Wickenheiser Effect”

  125. godot10 says:

    rickithebear:
    If Hall, RNH and Ebs do not make either world cup team.

    Walk in to the room and say to Tmac nad PC.
    You wont support us.
    But want us to face 1st comp.

    We will be glad to face 3rd comp like Seguin, Benn, Gaudreau, and Mcdavid.
    We will provide you a list of 3rd and 4th comp players we will play each game.
    Get your WC players to face the 1st comp.

    Hall and Eberle are NOT eligible for Team North America. Only Nugent-Hopkins.

    Chiarelli and McLellan do NOT have input into the Team Canada roster.

  126. godot10 says:

    Visually better:
    Im literally in shock there’s no RNH on a team that’s under 23 and there biggest thing is ” no experience, and matching up against the best of the best. My goodness, what a joke

    Courturier is the matchup centre. I expect Nugent-Hopkins will be a later selection. Chiarelli didn’t what to be accused of favoritism by selecting him in the group of 16.

  127. Snowman says:

    I’m baffled Nuge isn’t on that first 16 list.

    JT Miller? What?

    Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 3m3 minutes ago
    Chiarelli says it was “difficult” to leave off Nugent-Hopkins but says the player took it as well as one can. And remains in mix for June 1

  128. vinotintazo says:

    godot10: Hall and Eberle are NOT eligible for Team North America.Only Nugent-Hopkins.

    Chiarelli and McLellan do NOT have input into the Team Canada roster.

    I dont often defend ricki, but I think he knows that. He’s just saying if none of them make it to the tournament.

  129. Centre of attention says:

    Jason Gregor ‏@JasonGregor · 6s6 seconds ago

    “I would expect him to be a part of this team at the end of the day.” Chiarelli on RNH. #WorldCup

  130. vinotintazo says:

    I think RNH should/will be there, but he’s injured does that affect selection of first 16? he will be considered on Jun 1st for sure.

  131. Bank Shot says:

    Drew: I agree with your view;

    I have asked the question whether Yak can be or is a useful player at 2.5M. Not the question if he is living up to being a 1st overall or should be getting prime line mates and minutes.Seems to get mixed up sometimes.

    The Stats seem to say he is useful and he might realize some of his offensive potential down the road?

    I to am biased, Yak is my favorite person on the team. Not player though, I think he is very flawed and not nearly as valuable as say Ebs.

    The only stat that Yakupov looks good on is CORSI. It might be pretty good because he gets the most offensive zone starts on the team, and the coach clearly picks his spots carefully when sending Yak over the boards.

    Yak has the same amount of points as Letestu, and Korpikoski, two guys seen predominantly as garbage.

    Yakupov gets more PP time, doesn’t play any PK time, and doesn’t outscore bottom of the roster players.

    I’d say he isn’t really close to earning his $2.5 million when the only thing he does well is score. And he doesn’t score…

  132. godot10 says:

    vinotintazo: I dont often defend ricki, but I think he knows that. He’s just saying if none of them make it to the tournament.

    Hall and Eberle know that if they are not selected it will be because they are not sufficiently reliable for Babcock. If Eberle wants to make the team, he shouldn’t stop skating on the backcheck, like he did last night.

    Team Canada is deep enough that they can consider players’ flaws as disqualifying, because they can choose players with fewer flaws.

    Hall has a better case to be chosen than Eberle.

    Hall is clearly one of Canada’s top twelve forwards. Only Benn is a better LW.

    Eberle is small and mediocre defensively.

  133. TheGreatMutato says:

    godot10: Courturier is the matchup centre.I expect Nugent-Hopkins will be a later selection.Chiarelli didn’t what to be accused of favoritism by selecting him in the group of 16.

    I honestly don’t care about favoritism or optics. If he deserves to be in the top 16, then he should be named. Otherwise you’re punishing a deserving player for no other reason than your own thin skin. If they don’t believe he belongs in the initial 16 on merit, then that’s a different story, and frankly somewhat concerning =(

  134. Drew says:

    Bank Shot: The only stat that Yakupov looks good on is CORSI. It might be pretty good because he gets the most offensive zone starts on the team, and the coach clearly picks his spots carefully when sending Yak over the boards.

    Yak has the same amount of points as Letestu, and Korpikoski, two guys seen predominantly as garbage.

    Yakupov gets more PP time, doesn’t play any PK time, and doesn’t outscore bottom of the roster players.

    I’d say he isn’t really close to earning his $2.5 million when the only thing he does well is score. And he doesn’t score…

    I guess after they fix the bottom of the lineup they can then deal with Yak. Always thought there was some value in a good CORSI good to know it has very little value, i will certainly adjust my views moving forward.

  135. AnOmYnOuS1 says:

    godot10,
    As well he’s injured. It gives them a few more months to evaluate his health to make sure he’s 100%. It seems like the Europe team is doing the same with Gaborik.

    Bank Shot,
    That’s the biggest issue. His lack of scoring. He played with McDavid for 12 games and only got 2 goals. Ebs has played with him for 15 games and has scored 9 goals.

  136. AsiaOil says:

    AnOmYnOuS1,

    Eberle has only 2 goals in the last 9 games with CMD.

  137. flea says:

    No Hall in the top 9 forwards

  138. raventalon40 says:

    Team Canada is shooting themselves in the foot by not including Hall. By not including basically one of the top 5, if not top 10, best Canadian players on your team.

  139. raventalon40 says:

    Radko Gudas and Lauri Korpikoski at the WC, and no Hall. For chrissakes.

  140. Магия 10 says:

    Snowman:
    I’m baffled Nuge isn’t on that first 16 list.

    JT Miller? What?

    Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun3m3 minutes ago
    Chiarelli says it was “difficult” to leave off Nugent-Hopkins but says the player took it as well as one can. And remains in mix for June 1

    ~ RNH and Chia cooked this up to keep Taylor Cancer Hall happy until June 1 ~

  141. Rondo says:

    raventalon40,

    Hall is overrated by Oiler fans , plays for the worst team in the NHL for the last 10 years. Points are not everything.

  142. Магия 10 says:

    Rondo: Hall is overrated by Oiler fans , plays for the worst team in the NHL for the last 10 years.

    ~ Very logical. Playing for the worst team naturally results in being overrated around the league ~

  143. Bank Shot says:

    Drew: I guess after they fix the bottom of the lineup they can then deal with Yak. Always thought there was some value in a good CORSI good to know it has very little value, i will certainly adjust my views moving forward.

    CORSI has some value sure, but at the end of the day results rule the day.

    Using CORSI as the only tool of evaluation is fraught with peril. Yakupov gets the best o-zone starts, he doesn’t PK, coach uses him selectively, the guy is never on the ice with 2 minutes left in the game for an own zone faceoff to protect a lead or defend a tie. All of these together are going to push up a player’s CORSI compared to players that a team leans on to get wins.

    If every other piece of evidence is painting Yakupov in a certain light, and CORSI is the only stat that paints Yakupov in a positive light, I know I’m leaning towards CORSI being the stat that is misleading and not all of the others.

  144. Woodguy says:

    Ducey,

    Letestu has 4 points in his last 20 games. Kassian has 6 pts in his 19 games an Oiler. Yak 2.
    If Yak lovers believe that his 2 points in the last 20 prove that he is just as good an offensive producer as those guys, then wow, what a selection at #1!

    You apparently missed he’s been playing with Letestu or Lander since McDavid went down.


    Yak has played 500 minutes 5 x 5 this year. As you say 186 of them are with Letestu. That’s 314 minutes without him. Plus another 76 minutes of PP time. Kind of hard to blame all his failings on the guy he spends 32% of his time with.

    You also missed that when not with Letestu (or Lander 86min) the Oilers score at a good clip when he’s on the ice.

    I also note that Letstu is getting the worst zone starts on the team. 43.7% of his faceoffs start in the defensive zone, (24.3% offensive). Nail is even (29 O, 29D, 41 NZ) and 24th on the team in terms of defensive zone starts.If Yak was playing Letestu’s zone starts, he wouldn’t even have as many points as Mark.

    You’re blending things.

    When Yak plays with Letestu, he gets Letesu zone starts.

    Seriously Ducey this reminds me of your passionate defence of Tambellini and how we all didn’t understand his plan.

    Let me make this more clear.

    When offensive wingers play with C’s who are poor at offence, they don’t score much (unless they are an elite talent like Hall)

    Yakupov has shown that he can score with Horcoff, Gagner, Roy, McDavid, .

    He hasn’t scored with RNH (probably due to 1st comp and Yak can handle those minutes), Letestu (no one scores with him) and Lander (no one scores with him)

    Even Chiarelli mentioned how it was unfair that some wingers didn’t have offensive C’s due to injury.

    Who you play with is a real thing.

    He’s a flawed player for sure, but to call him out for his production with Letestu is myopic, disingenuous and stupid.

  145. Woodguy says:

    GCW_69: You are really anchoring an argument based on Eberle and Pouliot’s 36 minutes with Letestu? That’s 5% of their total ice time.Drawing conclusions based on that seems a stretch. Can I assume you are just being provocative?

    Here’s everyone Letestu(edit) played over 10min with this year.

    GoalsForOn with – GoalsForOn without

    Tell me if you spot a trend:

    HENDRICKS, MATT 0.02
    KORPIKOSKI, LAURI 0.31
    SEKERA, ANDREJ -0.81
    GRYBA, ERIC -0.73
    NURSE, DARNELL 0.15
    YAKUPOV, NAIL -1.64
    DAVIDSON, BRANDON -2.11
    FAYNE, MARK -1.59
    SCHULTZ, JUSTIN -1.57
    KASSIAN, ZACK -1.2
    PAKARINEN, IIRO -0.69
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR -1.93
    PURCELL, TEDDY -1.03
    REINHART, GRIFFIN -1.29
    GAZDIC, LUKE -0.16
    HALL, TAYLOR 0.23
    EBERLE, JORDAN -2.35
    NIKITIN, NIKITA -0.57
    POULIOT, BENOIT -2.61
    SLEPYSHEV, ANTON 0.94
    KLINKHAMMER, ROB -0.62
    HUNT, BRAD -1.05
    LANDER, ANTON -1.07
    FERENCE, ANDREW -2.12
    CLENDENING, ADAM -3.03
    OESTERLE, JORDAN -2.21
    NUGENT-HOPKINS, RYAN -2.54

    The size of the offensive cliff many fall off of reminder me of Dover.

  146. Chachi says:

    When you are trying to make an argument against the use of Corsi it is probably best not to refer to it as CORSI. Corsi is not an acronym, but is the last name of former Edmonton Oiler and Italian National Team goalie Jim Corsi who as the legend goes first started tracking shot attempts while working as an assistant coach with the Buffalo Sabres. Referring to it as CORSI betrays an ignorance of the provenance of the statistic and undercuts your argument no matter how persuasive it might otherwise have been.

  147. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Little surprised by RNH being left off as of now.

    But Hall’s play has really sunk since Christmas for whatever reason. He probably played his way off the initial 16. Still time for him.

    Eberle? No chance on this roster.

  148. Drew says:

    Bank Shot: CORSI has some value sure, but at the end of the day results rule the day.

    Using CORSI as the only tool of evaluation is fraught with peril. Yakupov gets the best o-zone starts, he doesn’t PK, coach uses him selectively, the guy is never on the ice with 2 minutes left in the game for an own zone faceoff to protect a lead or defend a tie. All of these together are going to push up a player’s CORSI compared to players that a team leans on to get wins.

    If every other piece of evidence is painting Yakupov in a certain light, and CORSI is the only stat that paints Yakupov in a positive light, I know I’m leaning towards CORSI being the stat that is misleading and not all of the others.

    i don’t get this, Yak gets the best zone starts but his off zone stars this year are 56.5% vs 51.3 for Eberle. Yak has a CORSI REL of 5.35 vs 1.9 for Eberle do those extra zone starts make up this difference???
    I looked at Korpse and his CORSI REL is -19 or something does his 40% off zones starts drive this result??? all 5×5

    Feels like Yak can move the puck, is on the ice when points are scored, may not have great hands???

  149. Bruce McCurdy says:

    haters: Great stuff from Bruce this morning. Especially that dig at Ebs … LT can you link that star gazer music for me ? I need that in my life 🙂

    Thanks. Though the “dig at Ebs” was more of a dig at Ebs haters, Haters. Maybe a little subtle, but that was the joke, Eberle is an underachiever like those two dudes who “only” did 340 days in space. Lollygaggers!

    As for the spacey music, it’s a modern-ish (1974) arrangement of Debussy’s Arabesque No. 1 by Isao Tomita. A version of it can be found here. This very music was used for years on PBS’ old “Star Hustler” segment featuring the one-of-a-kind astronomy popularizer, the late Jack Horkheimer.

  150. Bank Shot says:

    Chachi:
    When you are trying to make an argument against the use of Corsi it is probably best not to refer to it as CORSI.Corsi is not an acronym, but is the last name of former Edmonton Oiler and Italian National Team goalie Jim Corsi who as the legend goes first started tracking shot attempts while working as an assistant coach with the Buffalo Sabres.Referring to it as CORSI betrays an ignorance of the provenance of the statistic and undercuts your argument no matter how persuasive it might otherwise have been.

    I refer to it as CORSI because it’s apparently the Higgs Boson in the minds of some analytics followers.

    I don’t believe it is as important as some seem to think it is.

    Especially when looking at players that neither push the river, nor are complete albatrosses.

    The players in the mushy middle surely have their CORSI affected by all kinds of things outside of their own control.

    Anyway, your legend might be wrong. It wasn’t named CORSI because CORSI tracked shots… Vic Ferrari did an interview with Bob McKenzie and told him that he heard Regier talking about counting shots on the radio. He didn’t like the sound of Regier as a stat, so he went to the Buffalo website and settled on CORSI because he liked the guy’s mustache.

    http://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-the-real-story-of-how-corsi-got-its-name-1.100011

  151. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy: Here’s everyone he’s played over 10min with this year.

    GoalsForOn with – GoalsForOn without

    Tell me if you spot a trend:

    HENDRICKS, MATT0.02
    KORPIKOSKI, LAURI0.31
    SEKERA, ANDREJ-0.81
    GRYBA, ERIC-0.73
    NURSE, DARNELL0.15
    YAKUPOV, NAIL-1.64
    DAVIDSON, BRANDON-2.11
    FAYNE, MARK-1.59
    SCHULTZ, JUSTIN-1.57
    KASSIAN, ZACK-1.2
    PAKARINEN, IIRO-0.69
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR-1.93
    PURCELL, TEDDY-1.03
    REINHART, GRIFFIN-1.29
    GAZDIC, LUKE-0.16
    HALL, TAYLOR0.23
    EBERLE, JORDAN-2.35
    NIKITIN, NIKITA-0.57
    POULIOT, BENOIT-2.61
    SLEPYSHEV, ANTON0.94
    KLINKHAMMER, ROB-0.62
    HUNT, BRAD-1.05
    LANDER, ANTON-1.07
    FERENCE, ANDREW-2.12
    CLENDENING, ADAM-3.03
    OESTERLE, JORDAN-2.21
    NUGENT-HOPKINS, RYAN-2.54

    I am tired as I didn’t sleep much last night, so maybe I am reading this wrong, but if “with” is first and “without” is second then negative numbers would be bad. E.g. if a player scored 2 with Yak and 3 without that would result in -1. That’s 22 players better off without yak.

  152. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    For perspective on Hall exclusion, Corey Perry didn’t make the list. Lots of very significant talent on the outside looking in at the moment.

  153. Really? says:

    AsiaOil,

    I fully agree with your comments on Hall. He is supremely talented but seems to lack character. Not once in all the years I watched Messier, Yzerman or Sakic did I ever see the pouty face or the dejected body language that Hall sends out any time things don’t go his way.

    On a separate note, it is significant that last nights overtime winner scored by McDavid had him beating Ristolainen to the outside. Risto is a #1 D man with wheels and a reach. Yet McDavid still made the play.

  154. AsiaOil says:

    Well Oiled and Enthusiastic,

    Sure and the only guy that you could make any kind of case for being selected above Hall is Carter – and even then – he’s center who can also play wing.

  155. CrazyCoach says:

    Rondo: Hall is overrated by Oiler fans , plays for the worst team in the NHL for the last 10 years. Points are not everything.

    Neither are general statements made by morons with no intention except for trolling purposes.

  156. Woodguy says:

    GCW_69: I am tired as I didn’t sleep much last night, so maybe I am reading this wrong, but if “with” is first and “without” is second then negative numbers would be bad.E.g.if a player scored 2 with Yak and 3 without that would result in -1.That’s 22 players better off without yak.

    That’s Letestu

    Its not just that they are better off without him.

    The change in their scoring rates is inconceivable for some.

  157. godot10 says:

    Hall is in direct competition with an Olympic veteran like Matt Duchene, and Matt Duchene was not named to the top 16, so that has to be considered a positive for Hall. Brad Marchand was also not named. Another positive for Hall, since Marchand and Bergeron are a pair.

  158. Магия 10 says:

    Bank Shot: I refer to it as CORSI because it’s apparently the Higgs Boson in the minds of some analytics followers.

    I don’t believe it is as important as some seem to think it is.

    Especially when looking at players that neither push the river, nor are complete albatrosses.

    The players in the mushy middle surely have their CORSI affected by all kinds of things outside of their own control.

    Anyway, your legend might be wrong. It wasn’t named CORSI because CORSI tracked shots… Vic Ferrari did an interview with Bob McKenzie and told him that he heard Regier talking about counting shots on the radio. He didn’t like the sound of Regier as a stat, so he went to the Buffalo website and settled on CORSI because he liked the guy’s mustache.

    http://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-the-real-story-of-how-corsi-got-its-name-1.100011

    And accidentally picked the guy behind REGIER’s counting. Which VIC FERRARI finds very amusing. Although the joke Mr. BANKSHOT may be in the accident or in his story.

  159. raventalon40 says:

    Rondo:
    raventalon40,

    Hall is overrated by Oiler fans , plays for the worst team in the NHL for the last 10 years.Points are not everything.

    Right, because by your logic Tom Wilson is underrated because he plays on the league-leading Capitals. I don’t mean to be sarcastic… but come on. Hall does a lot more for the Oilers than score points… is McDavid overratd because he scores at will? Or maybe heart and desire that these boys have given to this organization, city, and team when the team was at its lowest should deserve some credit as well?

  160. raventalon40 says:

    Well Oiled and Enthusiastic:
    For perspective on Hall exclusion, Corey Perry didn’t make the list. Lots of very significant talent on the outside looking in at the moment.

    To be honest, I take Perry over Getzlaf

    The game within the game is stronger with Perry than Getzlaf

  161. Bank Shot says:

    Drew: i don’t get this, Yak gets the best zone starts but his off zone stars this year are 56.5% vs 51.3 for Eberle. Yak has a CORSI REL of 5.35 vs 1.9 for Eberle do those extra zone starts make up this difference???
    I looked at Korpse and his CORSI REL is -19 or something does his 40% off zones starts drive this result??? all 5×5

    Feels like Yak can move the puck, is on the ice when points are scored, may not have great hands???

    I think it’s zone starts and the other things I mentioned in combination. What else would be?

    Anyway I stand corrected. Yak’s CORSI isn’t good either. I was looking at behind the net and their data is out of date.

    Yak’s CORSI kind of matches the rest of his stats. Underwhelming.

  162. AsiaOil says:

    I get the idea that playing on the Oilers without leadership at any level for many of his years in the league has been hard. But at some point you have to be accountable to your coach and team and take the reins if you want to be a leader. I think a whole lot of the “hold your cards” talk this season has been squarely directed at Hall. They are testing him to see if he’s got what it takes to lead the team. But after a great start he seems to have “folded” and accepts losing. If that’s true then I’m really disappointed since he was playing the right way until January through all the ups and downs.

    Really?:
    AsiaOil,

    I fully agree with your comments on Hall. He is supremely talented but seems to lack character. Not once in all the years I watched Messier, Yzerman or Sakic did I ever see the pouty face or the dejected body language that Hall sends out any time things don’t go his way.

    On a separate note, it is significant that last nights overtime winner scored by McDavid had him beating Ristolainen to the outside. Risto is a #1 D man with wheels and a reach. Yet McDavid still made the play.

  163. raventalon40 says:

    Really?:
    AsiaOil,

    I fully agree with your comments on Hall. He is supremely talented but seems to lack character. Not once in all the years I watched Messier, Yzerman or Sakic did I ever see the pouty face or the dejected body language that Hall sends out any time things don’t go his way.

    On a separate note, it is significant that last nights overtime winner scored by McDavid had him beating Ristolainen to the outside. Risto is a #1 D man with wheels and a reach. Yet McDavid still made the play.

    I can see where you guys are coming from, but I feel like that was the old Hall from years past and not the current Hall. I feel like there was huge growth in Hall this summer and this season.

    I don’t think it’s fair to hold against Hall what happened in the past if he’s actively working on being a leader for the team’s future.

    If Hall was a problem, Chiarelli would have no issue addressing it. He traded Seguin didn’t he?

  164. raventalon40 says:

    AsiaOil:
    I get the idea that playing on the Oilers without leadership at any level for many of his years in the league has been hard. But at some point you have to be accountable to your coach and team and take the reins if you want to be a leader. I think a whole lot of the “hold your cards” talk this season has been squarely directed at Hall. They are testing him to see if he’s got what it takes to lead the team. But after a great start he seems to have “folded” and accepts losing. If that’s true then I’m really disappointed since he was playing the right way until January through all the ups and downs.

    I think that’s when the injuries piled up to the extent that the mountain was insurmountable. That’s a lack-of-depth issue, which will be addressed when the MacT contracts come off the books.

  165. godot10 says:

    AsiaOil:
    I get the idea that playing on the Oilers without leadership at any level for many of his years in the league has been hard. But at some point you have to be accountable to your coach and team and take the reins if you want to be a leader. I think a whole lot of the “hold your cards” talk this season has been squarely directed at Hall. They are testing him to see if he’s got what it takes to lead the team. But after a great start he seems to have “folded” and accepts losing. If that’s true then I’m really disappointed since he was playing the right way until January through all the ups and downs.

    Hall has slowed down points wise because Draisaitl ran out of gas. It takes a while for those big young guys to get big man endurance. Draisaitl hit the wall at 40 games. Next year he will be able to hack a full season, particularly if the load is lessened with Nugent-Hopkins around.

  166. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Atc-Nate: I would take Yak and 5 goals over Jordan’s 20 any day.

    Fixed that for you.

  167. Rondo says:

    raventalon40,

    Lindy Ruff wouldn’t play him World Championships.

    Didn’t make the Olympic team .

    Has not yet made the Canadian team.

    There is a pattern maybe he is getting better but some hockey people don’t think he is a good 200 ft player.

  168. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    AsiaOil:
    I get the idea that playing on the Oilers without leadership at any level for many of his years in the league has been hard. But at some point you have to be accountable to your coach and team and take the reins if you want to be a leader. I think a whole lot of the “hold your cards” talk this season has been squarely directed at Hall. They are testing him to see if he’s got what it takes to lead the team. But after a great start he seems to have “folded” and accepts losing. If that’s true then I’m really disappointed since he was playing the right way until January through all the ups and downs.

    That’s a bit harsh.
    Look at what’s happened since Christmas and you start to get the picture. Godot is right on part of it. I think there is more to it, but also think he has tried to play through another losing season. Once that bad losing streak came into play after that 6 game win streak, things fell apart again. Klef out, McDavid out, etc. It’s hard to play with the structural discipline required when you become the only offensive threat out there and you try to do it all yourself.

  169. The Trade Guy says:

    Rondo:
    raventalon40,

    Lindy Ruff wouldn’t play him World Championships.

    Didn’t make the Olympic team .

    Has not yet made the Canadian team.

    There is a pattern maybe he is getting better butsome hockey people don’t think he is a good 200 ft player.

    Won gold playing on a line with Crosby.

    Good enough for that team I guess.

  170. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Rondo:
    raventalon40,

    Lindy Ruff wouldn’t play him World Championships.

    Didn’t make the Olympic team .

    Has not yet made the Canadian team.

    There is a pattern maybe he is getting better butsome hockey people don’t think he is a good 200 ft player.

    He isn’t a good 200-foot player. Whoever said that? He is a possession monster. The numbers show that. I don’t believe anyone here said he was a good 200-foot player (which to me implies at least the hint of strong play without the puck, too? I could be wrong).

    I still like Hall-Nuge-Drai as a line to be honest.
    Nuge takes care of the 200-foot play and has a big brain and head on a swivel. Draisaitl has that filthy backhand pass and the size and wingspan to play the right side well. Hall can be Hall.

    Pouliot-McDavid-Eberle
    Hall-Nuge-Drai

    Ideally Yak knocks Pouliot down to the 3rd line but I am no longer holding my breath on that one.

  171. Rondo says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Individually he is one of the best hockey players in the NHL.

  172. raventalon40 says:

    Rondo:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Individually he is one of the best hockey playersin the NHL.

    This is a gross overstatement based on faults which are neither present nor his own. You blame Hall for the first years of his career? People, we’re only a few years removed from when Hall carried his teams to the Memorial Cup and World Juniors… how short our memories are.

    We can all interpret what he’s thinking and saying a different way when we watch it on the TV. But what do we really know?

    All I know is, good players on bad teams that can’t seem to win will always be blamed for crimes real or imagined, irregardless of if they’re really to blame or not.

    And to be hold it against Hall that he’s upset when they lose? Is that even fair? Should he be happy about it?

  173. raventalon40 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: He isn’t a good 200-foot player. Whoever said that? He is a possession monster. The numbers show that. I don’t believe anyone here said he was a good 200-foot player (which to me implies at least the hint of strong play without the puck, too? I could be wrong).

    I still like Hall-Nuge-Drai as a line to be honest.
    Nuge takes care of the 200-foot play and has a big brain and head on a swivel. Draisaitl has that filthy backhand pass and the size and wingspan to play the right side well. Hall can be Hall.

    Pouliot-McDavid-Eberle
    Hall-Nuge-Drai

    Ideally Yak knocks Pouliot down to the 3rd line but I am no longer holding my breath on that one.

    I prefer more balance. Starts with my pipe dream of signing Stamkos. I like how Pouliot’s speed has been able to compliment McDavid’s speed.

    Hall-Stamkos-Yakupov
    Pouliot-McDavid-Eberle
    Maroon-RNH-Draisaitl
    Hendricks-Letestu-Kassian

    Considering this is the Chiarelli Oilers, however, more likely we see the end of Eberle and Yakupov, and see the signings of Lucic and deal for Hartnell:

    Hall-RNH-Hartnell
    Lucic-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Pouliot-Lander-Kassian
    Hendricks-Letestu-Maroon

  174. AsiaOil says:

    Hey I was really positive about Hall all year and have been cheering for him to realize his potential as a leader. Things have really gone off the rails though since CMD came back which discounts part of your argument. You don’t play the right way when it’s convenient, when you feel like it, when everyone is healthy. Winners play the right way every night – that’s why they are winners. If these guys expect to win they will face a hell of a lot more adversity in one playoff series than what they faced this year. If they can’t hack this and give up – they would get pummeled by a team of vets in playoff mode and fold like a wet paper bag in meaningful games.

    A big part of the blame goes on the org – sure – but eventually these guys were going to come under increased scrutiny and here we are. The question is there for old core – are you man enough to play the right way through these difficulties and be part of the foundation going forward? Answer to be determined but last night had plenty of negative results.

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: That’s a bit harsh.
    Look at what’s happened since Christmas and you start to get the picture. Godot is right on part of it. I think there is more to it, but also think he has tried to play through another losing season. Once that bad losing streak came into play after that 6 game win streak, things fell apart again. Klef out, McDavid out, etc. It’s hard to play with the structural discipline required when you become the only offensive threat out there and you try to do it all yourself.

  175. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy: That’s Letestu

    Its not just that they are better off without him.

    The change in their scoring rates is inconceivable for some.

    Ahh, that clarifies.

    Yes, he is a big black hole of offensive suck. Good thing we have him on the powerplay

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