REINHART TO THE SHOW

The Edmonton Oilers recalled Griffin Reinhart this afternoon, he will no doubt replace Brandon Davidson on the active roster (no update on Davidson at this point). It is an interesting recall, and as mentioned this morning, this was not a slam dunk. Peter Chiarelli and Oilers management wanted to see some progress in areas of his play—including skating, coverage and confidence:

  • Oilers assistant coach Jim Johnson on Reinhart:  “For him, it’s his skating ability and making sure he feels comfortable enough that he’s not flat-footed. If he’s got good momentum coming back and gaps up well in the offensive zone on offensive rushes, if he does that, I think that will give him a little bit more confidence defending. He’ll get better, he’s a young defenceman.”
  • More Johnson: “We’ve got to realize a lot of young defencemen take a long time to develop at this level and we’re going to be patient with him and do it the right way. It’s going to be a lot like Davidson who played a lot of important minutes in the American League, caught up to the pro game and continued his development.”
  • Source

So much has been written about GR, it is almost impossible to talk about him without bias entering the conversation. He is 22, he is not a typical No. 4 overall, and playing in Bakersfield has hopefully allowed him to find that physical edge an consistency. A good way to frame the consistency issues is to re-list my post-game notes from his last three games in the NHL:

  • January 23: Eric Gryba—Griffin Reinhart seemed an unlikely pairing but they were extremely effective last night. Now, GR caught the 9-0 Corsi bus with the Leon line, but you can’t explain away the numbers (or the visual). Both men looked good, and I think Gryba is earning another contract (if they can offload Fayne—who I would keep). Reinhart probably goes back to Bakersfield on Monday, maybe he has company on the plane. Source
  • February 2: Reinhart—Gryba received the second most minutes among the three pairings, and when together they broke even. Score effects were in play in a major way, and they did have to play some difficult opposition during the game. Oilers Nerd Alert did have this pairing at a rather substantial 71.1/60 Dangerous Fenwick Against, and that is a fascinating item. As you know, I like to use established metrics, but the difference between the two measures last night interests me. Source
  • February 7: Reinhart—Schultz was not good (2-6) but we kind of knew that before it started. Credit Todd McLellan with getting them away from each other (played 4:03 together) but Andrej Sekera couldn’t help Schultz either (2-4 in 5:32 together) and of course he couldn’t help other places. Reinhart—Gryba (not listed above) went 2-9 in the true bollocks pairing of the afternoon. Reinhart’s most effective partner this season? Brandon Davidson, and that is something of a trend for the team’s defenders. Source

Skating, consistency, coverage. Same as it ever was. Reinhart is matriculating toward his NHL career, but as we talked about in regard to Darnell Nurse in the fall, there was no reason to place Reinhart ahead of the younger Nurse—and as it turned out, the older Davidson. If Reinhart can show well in the final stretch of the season, he could at the very least create interesting trade scenarios.

YOU IDIOT! YOU KILLED US!

Once again, the NHL’s short-sighted 30 have given fans a hilarious scenario that is completely unintended. The league that gave Sam Pollock the keys to the 1970s, has now given the Edmonton Oilers a very good chance at another (very high) pick. The mind boggles. Since last we talked, the Oilers made some moves at the trade deadline and moved up the standings.

THE TRADES

  • R Teddy Purcell. Acquired a third-round pick in 2016.
  • D Justin Schultz. Acquired a third-round pick in 2016.
  • G Anders Nilsson. Acquired a fifth-round pick in 2016.
  • D Phil Larsen. Acquired a fifth-round pick in 2017.
  • Acquired Patrick Maroon.

By my estimate, Edmonton has 10 selections for 2016 and they are slotted (today) as follows:

  • No. 3 overall
  • No. 33 overall
  • No. 63 overall
  • No. 76 overall (Pittsburgh pick)
  • No. 81 overall (Florida pick)
  • No. 93 overall (traded for Patrick Maroon)
  • No. 123 overall
  • No. 147 overall (St. Louis pick)
  • No. 151 overall
  • No. 181 overall

The Oilers are extremely unlikely to use all of those selections, I could see No. 33 and No. 63 being used to move up, and do think that first-round pick might be on the move for a defenseman.

LOWETIDE TOP 10

  1. (1) C Auston Matthews, Zurich Lions (Swiss-A): He went 5gp, 0-6-6 since we last talked, and is 36gp, 24-22-46 according to Elite Prospects. He is described as a high-octane dynamo. He is 6.02, 194 and could be better than Eichel. Could he be 2LW in Edmonton this fall?
  2. (2) W Patrik Laine, Tappara (Sm-Liiga): Laine went 10gp, 4-2-6 since last ranking, and  is 45gp, 17-16-33 in the SM-Liiga. A 6.04, 207 itchy trigger who has a release that scouts rave over. Impact prospect, if Edmonton gets pick No. 1 or No. 2, I don’t think they trade out.
  3. (3) R Jesse Puljujarvi, Karpat (Sm-Liiga): Injured now, he was 7gp, 5-3-8 after we chatted, and before the injury. He is is 50gp, 13-15-28 in the SM-Liiga. Size, speed and creativity, he is a complete forward with the ability to make a difference on offense and defense.
  4. (4)  L Matthew Tkachuk, London Knights (OHL): He is 9gp, 5-17-22 and is 51gp, 25-74-99 overall. He is ripping up the scoring charts in the Ontario league. I cannot decide who is zooming who on his team so have him at No. 4 and will go no farther.
  5. (5) LD Jacob Chychrun, Sarnia Sting (OHL): He is 9gp, 1-9-10 since we chatted and 59gp, 10-36-46 overall. This is the kind of offensive performance we should be looking for if he is in fact the real good. His NHLE is in the 20-point range (Aaron Ekblad was 24 points NHLE, Darnell Nurse 16 points NHLE).
  6. (6) LD Mikhail Sergachev, Windsor Spitfires (OHL): He is 11gp, 0-8-8 since we talked, and 62gp, 14-35-49 overall. EP says he is a dominant two-way defenseman. Sergachev is also a fine skater and 6.02, 205—he might be the best defender in the draft. NHLE: 21 points.
  7. (13) LD Olli Juolevi, London Knights (OHL): Since last we spoke, he is 9gp, 4-3-7 and 51gp, 9-27-46 overall. There is a lot to like: Smooth skater, great passer, and has a wide range of skills. NHLE is 24 points.
  8. (14) LD Jake Bean, Calgary Hitmen (WHL): He is 10gp, 1-9-10 since last talk, and 63gp, 22-37-59 overall. Bean is an effective, creative player with the puck. Intelligent defender with across the board skills, he is not famous like the blue ahead of him but neither was Jared Spurgeon. He is 6.01, 172 and NHLE is 23 points.
  9. (7)R Alexander Nylander, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL): He is 10gp, 2-9-11 since we last looked at things, and 55gp, 28-47-75 45 overall. A slick winger and a lot like his brother. At 6.0, 172, he is the first small forward on the list.
  10. (10) RD Dante Fabbro, Penticton Vees (BCJHL): He is 5gp, 0-7-7 since last time, and 45gp, 14-53-67 overall. Difficult to compare offenses but my guess is he is a little shy of the men ahead of him. NHLE is 16 points, he has been compared to Brian Rafalski.

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  1. Woodguy says:

    The Hockey Gords keep taking away Dmen so the Oilers will have a top 2 draft pick.

    All will be healthy next year, Chia fixes the D, a big FA comes here on a discount and the Oilers finish the 16/17 season with 108 points.

    Book it!

  2. Магия 10 says:

    If they are calling up Reinhart to watch games or to screw up his development or to pump trade value those are all mistakes. Young D are voodoo. (To illustrate that not long ago sound hockey minds thought it might be OK to put Davey through waivers. *Cough*). If 8 struggles or sits he should go back pronto.

    How many call ups are left and who has the ones that are used,

  3. stush18 says:

    I hope we get laine. Giant skilled shot happy right winger.

    I also think if we end up at 5, we will take chychrun. I can’t see them reaching if we pick higher

  4. stush18 says:

    Магия 10:
    If they are calling up Reinhart to watch games or to screw up his development or to pump trade value those are all mistakes. Young D are voodoo. Not long ago sound hockey minds thought it might be OK to put Davey through waivers. *Cough*. If 8 struggles or sits he should go back pronto.

    How many call ups are left and who has the ones that are used,

    I believe we have three call ups remaining? You get four non emergency I believe, and this was the first.

  5. Kepler62 says:

    What is the value of a pick in the 3-5 range this year? Does it alone get them Hamonic from the NYI?

    I think that is a question that cannot be answered until draft day, but I for one would be disappointed if it takes one of the core+1st Rnd to land our top dman.

  6. Moose says:

    stush18: I believe we have three call ups remaining? You get four non emergency I believe, and this was the first.

    Stauffer tweeted that we’ve used 3 of the 4, which I found odd. Were they counting Nikitin and Gazdic as post-deadline call-ups?

  7. Магия 10 says:

    Moose: Suspect Nurse and LB used 2 of those with the paper tx to make them eligible for AHL playoffs. Anyone know either way?

    Suspect Nurse and LB used 2 of those with the paper tx to make them eligible for AHL playoffs. Anyone know either way?

  8. Woogie63 says:

    Does Davidson’s injury mean Reinhart is an emergency call up?

  9. Магия 10 says:

    Woogie63:
    Does Davidson’s injury mean Reinhart is an emergency call up?

    Think you have to drop to 5 active D to call up a D that way. Doubt we can re-assign D to create that situation going forward either.

    (But perhaps you can re-assign to drop to 6 just before you put a recently injured D on the IR and then call up someone different for the emergency)

  10. Lowetide says:

    This is the third of four recalls, others being Nurse and Brossoit. Edmonton has one left. I believe that is correct.

  11. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    This is the third of four recalls, others being Nurse and Brossoit. Edmonton has one left. I believe that is correct.

    Why wouldn’t this count as an emergency recall?

    Davidson went down.

  12. Gerta Rauss says:

    Магия 10: Suspect Nurse and LB used 2 of those with the paper tx to make them eligible for AHL playoffs. Anyone know either way?

    I believe that is correct

    http://sportsstats.cbc.ca/hockey/nhl-transactions.aspx?page=/data/nhl/transactions/March_2016.html

    The Nikitin and Gazdic transactions were on the 29th of Feb

  13. Lloyd B. says:

    I reckon this is Reinharts time to show he is ready for next year. Or not.

    Could also be a valuable chip for the 3-1 trade for a top RHD. Yak, Reinhart and the 1st overall get a GM interested? Low cap hit for these three for cap relief as well.

  14. Woodguy says:

    Sportsnet ‏@Sportsnet 4m4 minutes ago
    Report: Eagles to trade RB DeMarco Murray to Titans http://ow.ly/ZbGAj

    How’s your football team LT?

  15. Магия 10 says:

    Woodguy: Why wouldn’t this count as an emergency recall?

    Davidson went down.

    Found it, You have to drop below 18 skaters to have a roster emergency. see (iv) and (v)

    Roster Emergency Exception. In the event that

    (i) a Club has Payroll Room less than the sum of the Minimum Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and $100,000 (i.e., that Club’s Averaged Club Salary is greater than the Upper Limit minus the Minimum Paragraph 1 NHL Salary minus $100,000);

    (ii) a Player on such Club becomes unfit or unable to play (i.e., is injured, ill or disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player) or is suspended;

    (iii) such Club is unable to sign and/or Recall a Player with an Averaged Amount equal to the Minimum
    Paragraph 1 NHL Salary plus $100,000 under the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness
    Exception;

    (iv) as a result of such Player being unfit or unable to play or suspended and the Club
    having Payroll Room less than the sum of the Minimum Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and $100,000,
    the Club has fewer than eighteen (18) skaters and two (2) goalies (“18 and 2”) on its Playing
    Roster (pursuant to Section 16.4(c)); and

    (v) the Club played its previous game with fewer than 18 and 2 (a “Roster Emergency”),

    then such Club may, beginning with the second game and continuing with all subsequent games and without any charge to the Club’s Averaged Club Salary for the duration of such Roster Emergency, add to its Playing Roster the requisite number of “emergency replacement” Player(s), provided, however, that (i) each such Player may not have an Averaged Amount that is more than the then-applicable Minimum Paragraph 1 NHL Salary plus $100,000 (e.g., $625,000 in 2012-13); and (ii) each such Player may only remain on that Club’s Active Roster during the period of the “Roster Emergency.”

  16. böök¡je says:

    Woodguy: Why wouldn’t this count as an emergency recall?

    Davidson went down.

    Could be that it’s not an emergency until you are out of regular recalls? I’m too lazy to look at the CBA to find out.

  17. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Sportsnet ‏@Sportsnet4m4 minutes ago
    Report: Eagles to trade RB DeMarco Murray to Titans http://ow.ly/ZbGAj

    How’s your football team LT?

    Better now, but it will take time to dig out.

  18. John Chambers says:

    Turning Griffin Reinhart into a quality NHL defenseman is like making good beef brisket:

    Letting him simmer in the AHL for a long time at a low temperature will deliver the optimal result. Brandon Davidson may have taught the office on Kingsway a few things.

  19. böök¡je says:

    Lowetide: Better now, but it will take time to dig out.

    Do you EVER cheer for winners?

  20. Магия 10 says:

    John Chambers:
    Turning Griffin Reinhart into a quality NHL defenseman is like making good beef brisket:

    Letting him simmer in the AHL for a long time at a low temperature will deliver the optimal result. Brandon Davidson may have taught the office on Kingsway a few things.

    Isn’t Musil waiver eligible NEXT YEAR? The obvious lesson would have been to bring him up for final assessment.

    Then again Musil can be their 8th D next year to start with. They won’t be forgetting carrying Davey as 8th D for a while.

  21. Магия 10 says:

    Lowetide: Better now, but it will take time to dig out.

    We have some experts on how to make that last longer available for relocation.

  22. Mr DeBakey says:

    böök¡je: Do you EVER cheer for winners?

    I’ll have you know the Montreal Expos won several games – more than just a few.

  23. square_wheels says:

    Kepler62,

    It better deliver much more than 4 years of a RHD, unless the caveat is he would extend on July 1st with the gentleman handshake.

    If we are anywhere in that range I’d be dangling the pick to StL so they can take Tkachuk’s boy. Flip them the pick for an extended Shatenkirk and their first in the 20-25 range I’d suspect.

    Or grow a set of balls and ask for The trending downwards Petrilangelo (remember I can’t be bothered to spell).

    Edit – Chia grows said testicles, not you. Apologies if you have them or were born with a uterus.

  24. Lowetide says:

    böök¡je: Do you EVER cheer for winners?

    Heh. Bruins, Oilers, Expos, Eskimos, Eagles, Oil Kings. It has actually be a nice little run since 2011.

  25. stephen sheps says:

    Woodguy
    Lowetide,
    Eagles also apparently traded Kiko Alonso and Byron Maxwell to my beloved (yet somehow still terrible) Dolphins, and while Alonso might help, I have my doubts about Maxwell’s abilities at this stage of his career.

    LT you’re right, the Eagles should be better with their new (sort of old) coach.
    These are smart moves I think.

  26. prairieschooner says:

    love the Hunt for Red October reference
    Captain Tupelov ( played 3 years for VMF team before being transferred to CSKA)

  27. NomoreLoweMcT says:

    I hope Reinhart proves all the media pundits that continually question his ability wrong ( including you Lowetide:)) It’s not his fault what the Oilers gave up for him at the draft and if fans/media support him vs dump on him, it will only help his confidence. Somehow Media/fans have to find someone on the Oilers to find fault with and drive them out of town- the list is lengthy. I Just hope Griffin proves everyone wrong and turns into a solid 3/4 D-man.

  28. Магия 10 says:

    LT: “Once again, the NHL’s short-sighted 30 have given fans a hilarious scenario that is completely unintended. The league that gave Sam Pollock the keys to the 1970s, has now given the Edmonton Oilers are very good chance at another (very high) pick. The mind boggles. Since last we talked, the Oilers made some moves at the trade deadline and moved up the standings”

    The NHL is really good at unintended consequences. So I figure the most likely outcome of the new rule is the Oilers finish above 3 Canadian teams AND draft 2nd or 3rd. Want front row seats for that one.

  29. Lowetide says:

    NomoreLoweMcT:
    I hope Reinhart proves all the media pundits that continually question his ability wrong ( including you Lowetide:)) It’s not his fault what the Oilers gave up for him at the draft and if fans/media support him vs dump on him, it will only help his confidence. Somehow Media/fans have to find someone on the Oilers to find fault with and drive them out of town- the list is lengthy.I Just hope Griffin proves everyone wrong and turns into a solid 3/4 D-man.

    I cheer like hell for Reinhart. Loved him as an Oil King, hope he makes it. However, the draft number skewed opinions and now everyone wants to hammer him. Tough spot.

  30. Johnny skid says:

    Lowetide: However, the draft number skewed opinions and now everyone wants to hammer him. Tough spot.

    that reminds me of another player on this team who’s name escapes me. i believe they are the same age also.

  31. Магия 10 says:

    Lowetide: I cheer like hell for Reinhart. Loved him as an Oil King, hope he makes it. However, the draft number skewed opinions and now everyone wants to hammer him. Tough spot.

    If he ends up a good 2nd pairing D on a good Oilers D a) he will cover the bet and b) most fans will retire their pitchforks.

    Then again I’m crazy enough to think Chia should be judged on the general value of those picks or even on the general results from picks in that range in that draft (not on the results from a player Chia was not going to pick)

    Just noticed your reference to fans tied up with his draft number. Fine for fans on the Island, but extra crazy here where he’s a 15 plus change.

  32. Магия 10 says:

    Johnny skid: that reminds me of another player on this team who’s name escapes me. i believe they are the same age also.

    Paid a lot less for 8. But yeah I’m cheering like hell for 8 and 10. Smart whoever pointed out that 10’s demotion last night was about the whole line needing some defensive support late in the game. Now if he spends the next game outside the top 6 we can read more into it.

  33. John Chambers says:

    Магия 10: Isn’t Musil waiver eligible NEXT YEAR? The obvious lesson would have been to bring him up for final assessment.

    Then again Musil can be their 8th D next year to start with. They won’t be forgetting carrying Davey as 8th D for a while.

    I dunno, is David Musil really a waiver risk?

    My guess is that Reinhart makes Musil redundant and I highly doubt another NHL team would value him above seven other defensemen come next October.

  34. kinger_OIL says:

    – Great write-up LT: a few weeks back you were wondering which D would play the most from the AHL onwards (can’t remember if it was in the context of Klef getting injured or potential Jultz trade?)

    – Just would like to see the responses – can you post the link. Griff was in my mind the obvious candidate: he’s Chia’s guy and they have to know where he is for next year. Now a strong 15 games bolsters his chance of making the team and/or increases his value as trade-bait…

    – Getting Pardy and Clendening afforded Griff time to marinate longer (and when Klef returned, this gave the OIL the opportunity to send Nurse down, before Davidson’s unfortunate and tragic injury)

  35. MrEd says:

    Seems like I’m always on some sort of tangent:
    Man is Manning a gem. And I’m not even a NFL fan.
    “Reverence for the game”, he said.
    That’s it. A superstar.

  36. MrEd says:

    I like Reinhart as “Brisket”.

  37. G Money says:

    They call Reinhart “Big Cat”, but “Big Brisket” is just way better.

  38. Rondo says:

    Dubois not in your top 10 Hmmm

    1. Matthews
    2. Laine
    3.PULJUJARVI,
    4. PierreLuc Dubois
    5. Chychrun
    6. Matthew Tkachuk
    7. Juolevi
    8. Nylander
    9. McLeod
    10. Sergachyov

  39. Магия 10 says:

    John Chambers: My guess is that Reinhart makes Musil redundant and I highly doubt another NHL team would value him above seven other defensemen come next October.

    I. WILL. NOT. repost my fav quotes from August, September and October about sneaking Davidson through waivers. Davey snuck up on us an a non-waivable force. Not saying Musil is just rounding into form from the slow drip but if he is then yeah the lesson we learn from Davey would be to find out at the end of the last year before waiver eligibility and not to assume that the pre-season will solve it.

  40. MrEd says:

    Trading out of the top 4 is nuts. Thank Gord it’s Chia that’s taking the leagues temperature.

  41. DRFNsuperstar says:

    What the hell are the pairings going to be? Play Sekera-Fayne for 30, Nurse-Reinhart for 18, Pardy-Clendenning for 12? I know pairing the rookies together wouldn’t be the best for winning games but I still dream they can be the second coming of Suter-Weber, with Klefbom as our Josi.

  42. RexLibris says:

    If the Oilers are lucky enough to leave the draft with Laine, I’d be very pleased.

    I’m not entirely sold on Puljujarvi, mostly because I’d like to see more offense, even though I recognize that scoring in Liiga isn’t an easy thing to translate to the NHL.

    But if they draft 4th, I’d also be pretty happy with Chychrun.

    Essentially, the Oilers are going to get a pretty good player this spring.

    Again.

    *sigh* yay….

  43. Lowetide says:

    Rondo:
    Dubois not in your top 10 Hmmm

    1. Matthews
    2. Laine
    3.PULJUJARVI,
    4. PierreLuc Dubois
    5. Chychrun
    6. Matthew Tkachuk
    7.Juolevi
    8. Nylander
    9. McLeod
    10. Sergachyov

    I had him No. 12 last time, he certainly has had a nice run
    http://lowetide.ca/2016/02/14/the-gold-card/

  44. DRFNsuperstar says:

    Also, the Flyers are working Tampa right now. Ghostibehre looks like Karlsson with a harder shot, 2 goals tonight.

  45. Магия 10 says:

    G Money:
    They call Reinhart “Big Cat”, but “Big Brisket” is just way better.

    Nickname sounded familiar. The doomsday plane carried it with Gates.

  46. RexLibris says:

    On another note – tonight the Flames play their 18th game without Wideman while the arbitrator is expected to release their final ruling sometime this week.

    By the end of the week the Flames will have played…you guessed it…20 games without Wideman.

    I wonder what the chances are the arbitrator will come out with a number lower than 20?

  47. Lowetide says:

    Магия 10: I. WILL. NOT. repost my fav quotes from August, September and October about sneaking Davidson through waivers. Davey snuck up on us an a non-waivable force. Not saying Musil is just rounding into form from the slow drip but if he is then yeah the lesson we learn from Davey would be to find out at the end of the last year before waiver eligibility and not to assume that the pre-season will solve it.

    The issue they are going to have is how many of these fellows can the protect from waivers? Like Musil for sure, I thought he was more impressive than Oesterle in their auditions last year. Well, more consistent anyway.

  48. Pastor of Disaster says:

    Lowetide: Heh. Bruins, Oilers, Expos, Eskimos, Eagles, Oil Kings. It has actually be a nice little run since 2011.

    I’ve long wondered: did your fandom transfer to the Washington Nationals, or are they the object of your everlasting scorn and revulsion?

  49. Магия 10 says:

    Lowetide: The issue they are going to have is how many of these fellows can the protect from waivers? Like Musil for sure, I thought he was more impressive than Oesterle in their auditions last year. Well, more consistent anyway.

    Exactly. Wish he was called up. That should have been the lesson from having to hang tight to Davidson while they completed the evaluation in the new season.

  50. MrEd says:

    DRFNsuperstar,

    He’s cool to watch play. A unique talent.

  51. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: The issue they are going to have is how many of these fellows can the protect from waivers? Like Musil for sure, I thought he was more impressive than Oesterle in their auditions last year. Well, more consistent anyway.

    Consider this, the Oilers have traded players to Toronto, Montreal, Calgary and Ottawa (Marincin, Petry, Smid, Hemsky) and all three have since collapsed.

    We jinxed them, Oiler style.

    I don’t think we’ll have any more waiver worries from now on. *dusts off hands*

  52. Really? says:

    RexLibris,

    I agree that the Oilers should walk away from the draft with a good pick. I also feel it is important to use the pick for a draftee. The Oilers, once Chiarelli makes some D line additions this summer, will be playoff contenders. They will not see the front end of the draft for a long time. The hockey Gods, because of all the injuries this year, are making one final gift to the Oilers and I hope they take full advantage of it.

    The final #1 OV or #2 OV will work just fine.

  53. RexLibris says:

    Really?:
    RexLibris,

    I agree that the Oilers should walk away from the draft with a good pick. I also feel it is important to use the pick for a draftee. The Oilers, once Chiarelli makes some D line additions this summer, will be playoff contenders. They will not see the front end of the draft for a long time. The hockey Gods, because of all the injuries this year, are making one final gift to the Oilers and I hope they take full advantage of it.

    The final #1 OV or #2 OV will work just fine.

    I’d hope the Oilers are selecting somewhere in the range of 10th to 17th overall next season.

    I mean, I’ll take 30th, sure, but I’m trying to remain realistic.

  54. fifthcartel says:

    I’m actually kind of hoping they climb into 3rd/4th last so that they can get bumped down to 5th/6th in the draft.

    Then move Eberle and something for Vatanen and Silfverberg (makes 3.75m and on pace for 29 points, speedy two-way guy who can play with the Oilers wunder centers rather than the Ducks 3rd line, RH shot too)

    and then pick 4-6 for Hamonic and they start to have the looks of a decent defense.

    No idea where Reinhart fits in but I have a feeling he might be heading out this summer too.

  55. RexLibris says:

    Brent Burns just broke Garnet Hathaway’s nose (or at least it looked like it) with an elbow while clearing the SJ net, let the kid pick a fight with him, held him while Hathaway got in a few rambunctious punches, and then proceeded to absolutely bury the young man with two or three solid shots.

    If Chiarelli holds on Lucic this year, I’d cross my fingers Burns goes to free-agency. I’d much rather have him.

  56. Rondo says:

    Lowetide,

    I think if Oilers are in the top 5 they will not trade their pick. Although I never thought they would trade their #16 + #33 .

  57. MrEd says:

    RexLibris,

    Burns is the choice iMO. Long term even.

  58. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Better now, but it will take time to dig out.

    Getting tired of long rows to hoe?

    Man.

  59. RexLibris says:

    MrEd:
    RexLibris,

    Burns is the choice iMO.Long term even.

    You forget how young he still is, like Lucic, we’ve spent so long chasing them as player-types it feels like we’re talking about Gordie Howe almost.

    But if he made it to FA, I’d dangle the chance to play for McLellan, with McDavid and something around B. Campbell money for him.

  60. Professor Q says:

    Maybe it’s because they sent the Waiver Exempt players down to qualify for AHL playoffs and then called them back up?

  61. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Calgary with their sixth powerplay of the night.

    That’s an above average week for the Oilers.

  62. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide: I had him No. 12 last time, he certainly has had a nice run
    http://lowetide.ca/2016/02/14/the-gold-card/

    Is it the Q factor with him?

  63. RexLibris says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Calgary with their sixth powerplay of the night.

    That’s an above average week for the Oilers.

    And yet Flames fans are irate they gave Hathaway an instigator for getting his grey matter sloshed about by Burns.

    Yes, if the Flames lose tonight (as many fans there are hopeful they do) they will not be able to blame this one on a lack of special teams’ opportunities.

  64. Lowetide says:

    Pastor of Disaster: I’ve long wondered: did your fandom transfer to the Washington Nationals, or are they the object of your everlasting scorn and revulsion?

    No, I have tried. I wish it was a strong feeling, but it is not. I feel like an orphan, the games I want to see are never on the schedule. The last season I paid very close attention to was early in the century. MLB lost me along about the time my Expos turned into a road show. I love baseball but it left me.

  65. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Getting tired of long rows to hoe?

    Man.

    As a fan, I have been paid in full and that’s the truth. Its you youngins who I feel for.

  66. Lowetide says:

    Professor Q: Is it the Q factor with him?

    Speed concerns. When I read about speed it automatically moves a prospect down.

  67. Woodguy says:

    Working on a Dman post.

    Looking at a combination of stats over the last 2 years for all Dmen.

    One thing I ran into.

    3 Lowest NHL Dmen in 5v5 pts/60 (1000 5v5 min+) over the last two years.

    Nurse 0.24
    Marincin 0.32
    Fayne 0.32

    *sigh*

  68. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: As a fan, I have been paid in full and that’s the truth. Its you youngins who I feel for.

    I was old enough to legally drink in the bar for the last Oilers Cup in 1990.

  69. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    Working on a Dman post.

    Looking at a combination of stats over the last 2 years for all Dmen.

    One thing I ran into.

    3 Lowest NHL Dmen in 5v5 pts/60 (1000 5v5 min+) over the last two years.

    Nurse 0.24
    Marincin 0.32
    Fayne 0.32

    *sigh*

    Does that embolden you in your Nurse for Hamonic stance?

    I’m working on something regarding Eberle and comparables to ascertain real value.

    Finding some interesting precedent that I’m hoping will provide a useful lead.

  70. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Speed concerns. When I read about speed it automatically moves a prospect down.

    So I take it Keanu Reeves and Jason Patric don’t fare well in your mock drafts.

    Although, I’m totally with you on both, so no finger-pointing here.

  71. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: As a fan, I have been paid in full and that’s the truth. Its you youngins who I feel for.

    I can remember all five cups. And was fortunate enough to have lived through all five of the Eskimos’ dynasty cups as well.

    Eskimos owe me nothing as a fan.

    The Oilers are a different matter, though.

    After the intense drama of the 90s and the promise of a new day in 2005, things were not supposed to happen like this.

    Then again, when I see McDavid I’m reminded of what Picard says in the ST episode Tapestry: when you begin to pick at the loose threads of your life the whole tapestry falls apart. Maybe we’ve suffered for a reason.

  72. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: Does that embolden you in your Nurse for Hamonic stance?

    I’m working on something regarding Eberle and comparables to ascertain real value.

    Finding some interesting precedent that I’m hoping will provide a useful lead.

    You knew Nurse wouldn’t bring much offence based on his OHL numbers, but its still not nice to look at.

    Rookies rook too.

  73. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: I can remember all five cups. And was fortunate enough to have lived through all five of the Eskimos’ dynasty cups as well.

    Eskimos owe me nothing as a fan.

    The Oilers are a different matter, though.

    After the intense drama of the 90s and the promise of a new day in 2005, things were not supposed to happen like this.

    Then again, when I see McDavid I’m reminded of what Picard says in the ST episode Tapestry: when you begin to pick at the loose threads of your life the whole tapestry falls apart. Maybe we’ve suffered for a reason.

    Yeah, I remember sitting in Commonwealth as a kid when 50K+ would come to a game to watch Moon, Germany, Kelly, Wadell Smith, Scott, Fennell, Kepley, Highbaugh etc.

    I’ve been pretty lucky too.

  74. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide: Speed concerns. When I read about speed it automatically moves a prospect down.

    If that’s the case, then absolutely.

    Luckily many of the Top-5 (for Edmonton) and even Top-10 are speedsters, as well as large and skilled.

  75. dustrock says:

    Woodguy:
    Working on a Dman post.

    Looking at a combination of stats over the last 2 years for all Dmen.

    One thing I ran into.

    3 Lowest NHL Dmen in 5v5 pts/60 (1000 5v5 min+) over the last two years.

    Nurse 0.24
    Marincin 0.32
    Fayne 0.32

    *sigh*

    Yup. Think Nurse becomes a better skating Jason Smith. A very valuable player but not top 2 d-man level.

    LT – first time you don’t have Debrincat in your top 10?

  76. kinger_OIL says:

    Interesting quotes from Maroon (referring to how his team played the Oil): “We harped on it every game: ‘Get pucks deep, go to work.’ That’s how you win hockey games,’” . “Any small team, you don’t want to play their game — transition and letting them use their speed. Coming in here, (the plan was) getting pucks deep and letting them play defence. That’s what we did every time. Playing big, playing physical.”

  77. Lowetide says:

    dustrock: Yup. Think Nurse becomes a better skating Jason Smith.A very valuable player but not top 2 d-man level.

    LT – first time you don’t have Debrincat in your top 10?

    Yes, more about others than anything he has done wrong.

  78. Professor Q says:

    I do still wonder how much Arizona would love to have local boys Austin Matthews and Matthew Tkatchuk…and how much they would consider paying for them if they don’t luck out with a Top-5 pick (if they do not get #1 OV, they can still settle for Tkatchuk and get a decent player who is also local and won’t have to pay to get Matthews – unless they want both, haha).

  79. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy: You knew Nurse wouldn’t bring much offence based on his OHL numbers, but its still not nice to look at.

    Rookies rook too.

    I’m saying it now, I believe Nurse will be the most improved player come next year in the Oilers lineup.

    Few work harder than him and I can see him making a jump in year 2 in the NHL not unlike the jump in play he made from OHL year 1 to OHL year 2.

    While it will never be top drawer, his offense will come.

  80. Lowetide says:

    In regard to Nurse, Blue Bullet was looking for 15 non-power play points as his line in the sand. Nurse has seven.

    http://bluebulletreport.com/2015/07/16/hello-nurse/

  81. Professor Q says:

    frjohnk,

    He could very well pull a Draisaitl next year.

    His improvement from his draft year to his captaining of the Greyhounds to OHL Conference Finals against McDavid and the Otters was substantial. Team Canada saw that as well.

  82. frjohnk says:

    Professor Q:
    frjohnk,

    He could very well pull a Draisaitl next year.

    His improvement from his draft year to his captaining of the Greyhounds to OHL Conference Finals against McDavid and the Otters was substantial. Team Canada saw that as well.

    Exactly

  83. kinger_OIL says:

    frjohnk,

    FR says: “While it will never be top drawer, his offense will come”

    – He’s only scored 37 goals in his last 5 years of hockey. Why should we expect offense?

    – Darnell would do great with a D partner that is experienced, as the 3rd pairing. Give him proper time, and let him progress. He is who he is.

  84. fifthcartel says:

    I look at Nurse’s numbers and get a little bit concerned, but then I tell myself this is his 20 year old season.

    I really want to look at other young defensemen and see how they dealt and their corsi, although Nurse is also playing way too much so I have to take that into account as well.

  85. Younger Oil says:

    Lowetide: As a fan, I have been paid in full and that’s the truth. Its you youngins who I feel for.

    As a lifelong Oilers fan in my early 20’s, aside from the one cup run haven’t had a whole lot of exciting hockey in Edmonton, but have always been so interested in the team. My dad until the day he died always told me how bad he felt for me and my generation, rarely getting to see a meaningful game after New Years, and year after year he went into every new season with hope, not for the Oilers to be good for his sake, but so I could have the experiences that he had when he was my age, when the Oilers were a force to be reckoned with in the NHL.

    He passed the year before we got McDavid, but I know he would be thrilled to see another truly generational talent wear the Copper and Blue.

    LT, he never commented on your blog, but it was always the first thing he read in the morning, and the last thing he read before he went to bed. He loved all of your insight, soaked it up like gospel. Me and him didn’t have a whole lot in common, but our love for hockey and the OIlers was the one big thing that we did, and a lot of your writing is what kept us close, sparking many conversations and friendly (or not so friendly) debates.

    This truly is a special, special website, and your two articles a day, even when the season is over is what keeps so many interested in this hockey team. It brings people of all types and opinions together. The blog not only accepts, but encourages all viewpoints and opinions, which is a very, very rare thing, and I thank you so much for it.

  86. RexLibris says:

    Younger Oil,

    This is very much appreciated by myself and, if I may speak for others, the rest of us who visit here perhaps a little too often.

    Thank you.

  87. kinger_OIL says:

    Younger Oil,

    Nice post young…

  88. Lowetide says:

    Younger Oil: As a lifelong Oilers fan in my early 20’s, aside from the one cup run haven’t had a whole lot of exciting hockey in Edmonton, but have always been so interested in the team. My dad until the day he died always told me how bad he felt for me and my generation, rarely getting to see a meaningful game after New Years, and year after year he went into every new season with hope, not for the Oilers to be good for his sake, but so I could have the experiences that he had when he was my age, when the Oilers were a force to be reckoned with in the NHL.

    He passed the year before we got McDavid, but I know he would be thrilled to see another truly generational talent wear the Copper and Blue.

    LT, he never commented on your blog, but it was always the first thing he read in the morning, and the last thing he read before he went to bed. He loved all of your insight, soaked it up like gospel. Me and him didn’t have a whole lot in common, but our love for hockey and the OIlers was the one big thing that we did, and a lot of your writing is what kept us close, sparking many conversations and friendly (or not so friendly) debates.

    This truly is a special, special website, and your two articles a day, even when the season is over is what keeps so many interested in this hockey team. It brings people of all types and opinions together. The blog not only accepts, but encourages all viewpoints and opinions, which is a very, very rare thing, and I thank you so much for it.

    Well. That might be the nicest thing anyone has ever posted to me. Thank you.

  89. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Younger Oil,

    Sorry for your recent loss, & thanks for sharing.

  90. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk: I’m saying it now, I believe Nurse will be the most improved player come next year in the Oilers lineup.

    Few work harder than him and I can see him making a jump in year 2 in the NHL not unlike the jump in play he made from OHL year 1 to OHL year 2.

    While it will never be top drawer, his offense will come.

    I like Nurse a lot.

    Agree on the assessment.

    First pairing Dman, 1PK, some complimentary points is his ceiling. Not sure how many years away that is.

    If the pucks moves in the right direction when he’s on the ice that’s a valuable player.

  91. JDï™ says:

    You want smart? You got smart: http://i.imgur.com/SdzOWQK.gifv

  92. Alpine says:

    I would like to piggyback onto Younger Oil’s terrific post as a millennial Oilers fan myself. Thank you, LT, for the brilliant work you’ve done making this place one of the best blogs and comment sections on the entire internet.

    I stumbled upon this place during the Inaugural Death March in 2010, and I’ve been reading just about every day since. Save for the magical spring of ’06 and that cheeky lottery win a year ago, I haven’t spent much time not feeling absolute dread about my local and beloved hockey franchise.

    So I have to say, I wouldn’t have ever become so educated about and remained so passionate for such a listless team with no degree of success in my lifetime without reading all the wonderful content in the blog posts and comments.

    No other writer can so eloquently and accurately cover and analyze the Oilers like you, Mr. Lowetide. Thank you Allan, and thank you Lowetide.ca (and former Blogspot!) regulars for making this place what it is.

    —————-
    As for the current situation, I still kind of hope we close out the season on a decent run with a healthy Klef and McSuperNoavid scooping up the Calder. pick around 5-6 or so. Becomes easier to swallow packaging that pick to Snow for his future like-for-like of Hamonic when its not one of Matthews or the Finns.

    I’ve projected the Oilers to finish 25/26th almost every October post Nuge draft thinking it wouldn’t be too much for them to realistically live up to the Isles East mantra. This of all years was the one where I believed it the most. Talbot’s given them their best tending since post-lockout Dubnyk and while the D sucks as much as that year the Fs are a lot better. I’m just tired of embarrassing bottom 3 finishes man. It’s all I know, damn it!

  93. jp says:

    Younger Oil,

    Very cool story and post.

  94. John Chambers says:

    Магия 10: I. WILL. NOT. repost my fav quotes from August, September and October about sneaking Davidson through waivers. Davey snuck up on us an a non-waivable force. Not saying Musil is just rounding into form from the slow drip but if he is then yeah the lesson we learn from Davey would be to find out at the end of the last year before waiver eligibility and not to assume that the pre-season will solve it.

    Message received. We are never to expose a player to waivers again because of Davy’s development.

  95. Blue Bullet says:

    Lowetide:
    In regard to Nurse, Blue Bullet was looking for 15 non-power play points as his line in the sand. Nurse has seven.

    http://bluebulletreport.com/2015/07/16/hello-nurse/

    I am a Nurse fan but he has not met the expectations I laid out for him in my post in the summer. One comment I made was this “If Nurse cannot crack the lineup or struggles to put up points, I will need to re-evaluate his upside as it may be more similar to that of Marc Staal who is an excellent shutdown defenseman but lacks the all-around game to be considered a #1 defenseman.” Well Nurse has not struggled to crack the lineup but he has struggled to put up points and is scoring at a rate similar to that of Staal in his rookie season. Is it time to re-evaluate?

  96. stush18 says:

    I am also young twenties.

    I played hockey at decent levels, and I never understood why anyone would wanna dump the puck in. Started researching, which lead to advanced stats.

    My friend mentioned this site a couple years ago, and I’ve been hooked ever since.

    Shitty when we don’t understand these references to the good times.

    My good times with the oiler were the cup run, and until then I had always been a red wings fan.

    Between them snuffing out my favourite team in dramatic fashion, and Detroit moving to the east, I’ve quickly gotten a new fave team.

  97. Oilspill says:

    What’s your decent level?
    When the defence is gapped high and the back pressure is there chances are you aren’t getting in carrying the puck. Regaining possession (real) is very dependant on team speed and toughness. This is why we’re doing better. Kassian and Maroon can break pucks loose. Prior to them our skilled lines only had Pouliot. Dump and chase is a good option now.

    stush18:
    I am also young twenties.

    I played hockey at decent levels, and I never understood why anyone would wanna dump the puck in. Started researching, which lead to advanced stats.

    My friend mentioned this site a couple years ago, and I’ve been hooked ever since.

    Shitty when we don’t understand these references to the good times.

    My good times with the oiler were the cup run, and until then I had always been a red wings fan.

    Between them snuffing out my favourite team in dramatic fashion, and Detroit moving to the east, I’ve quickly gotten a new fave team.

  98. stush18 says:

    Oilspill:
    What’s your decent level?
    When the defence is gapped high and the back pressure is there chances are you aren’t getting in carrying the puck. Regaining possession(real) is very dependant on team speed and toughness. This is why we’re doing better. Kassian and Maroon can break pucks loose. Prior to them our skilled lines only had Pouliot. Dump and chase is a good option now.

    Played some junior a in high school.

    I “understand” why coaches want a dump, but the mats more just placing the puck, and is essentially a skilled play beating someone one on one. But dumping for the sake of dumping as a tactic doesn’t make any sense to me. Just regroup instead of giving them the puck. You worked your ass off all shift trying to get the puck back, and now you’re gonna dump the puck and change for fresh legs?

    Stupid I think.

  99. Thorin says:

    Stush, have you ever played or watched skilled lacrosse? Those cats have set breakouts that include a full line change without ever giving up control and without standing still behind the net. And they don’t get to skate and glide, they have to run to the damn bench! It’s always surprised me that hockey coaches don’t learn from this.

    Back when I was coaching the kids, I’d switch out the forward close to the bench, then rotate the three forwards so the fresh legs became the center support and the one breaking out, while the far forward could come and change second. It was so much better to change without losing control of the puck.

    Speaking of which, back then I always told the skaters that whoever is by the net covering had to position themselves so that they could see the goalie’s numbers. That way they were covering the part of the net the goalie couldn’t. I noticed recently that the Oilers D and centers have started doing this. They’ve even saved a couple of sure goals. I don’t get why skaters think it’s a good idea to stand in front of the goalie, he’s already covering that part of the net!

  100. frjohnk says:

    Blue Bullet: I am a Nurse fan but he has not met the expectations I laid out for him in my post in the summer. One comment I made was this “If Nurse cannot crack the lineup or struggles to put up points, I will need to re-evaluate his upside as it may be more similar to that of Marc Staal who is an excellent shutdown defenseman but lacks the all-around game to be considered a #1 defenseman.” Well Nurse has not struggled to crack the lineup but he has struggled to put up points and is scoring at a rate similar to that of Staal in his rookie season. Is it time to re-evaluate?

    Points wise, it would seem like Nurse is on the projection of Marc Staal. Staal’s best statistical season was 7 goals and 29 points. This is the ballpark in where I see Nurse’s ceiling in point production. If Nurse ever developed a shot, then maybe he passes that projection

    But skating is where Nurse will blow by Staal and will be a better defensive Dman. Not sure what happened to Staal but he is not very quick or fast and has lost a step. If not in position, he will get beat wide.

    I think Nurse becomes a good number 2, that will lack the offense to be a number 1.

    EDIT: I should add that in terms of style that Reinhart might be a better comparision to Marc Staal. Both are about the same size, are defense first, using positioning and an active stick instead of skating to defend. Both are considered to not have “quick feet”.

    One of Staals issues from the Rangers fan base is “questionable decisions in puck movement”. Sounds like Reinhart.

  101. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Магия 10: Isn’t Musil waiver eligible NEXT YEAR? The obvious lesson would have been to bring him up for final assessment.

    Then again Musil can be their 8th D next year to start with. They won’t be forgetting carrying Davey as 8th D for a while.

    Musil will clear waivers, it’s not an issue.

  102. Marc says:

    Blue Bullet: I am a Nurse fan but he has not met the expectations I laid out for him in my post in the summer. One comment I made was this “If Nurse cannot crack the lineup or struggles to put up points, I will need to re-evaluate his upside as it may be more similar to that of Marc Staal who is an excellent shutdown defenseman but lacks the all-around game to be considered a #1 defenseman.” Well Nurse has not struggled to crack the lineup but he has struggled to put up points and is scoring at a rate similar to that of Staal in his rookie season. Is it time to re-evaluate?

    Don’t you have to be a bit careful on projecting D based on their scoring though?

    In his draft year through draft +3 season Klefbom scored a total of 20 points in 132 games (67 SEL, 48 AHL and 17 NHL).

    Over the past two seasons though, Klefbom has scored 40 points in 99 games (90 NHL, 9 AHL). He scored as many points in 60 games of his rookie season in the NHL as he did in the four seasons before that, the vast majority of which was played in lower leagues.

  103. OilSafety says:

    Marc,

    It’s almost like defenceman don’t develope in a straight line, and we should be careful about projecting them that way. We should use that as a common phrase or axiom or something….. ‘defenceman don’t develop in a straight line’, sounds like something smart people would say 😉

  104. Магия 10 says:

    John Chambers: Message received. We are never to expose a player to waivers again because of Davy’s development.

    That’s plain silly. You might want to adjust the rabbit ears on your set.

    The lesson was to pull Musil out of the slow cooker (instead of 8) and check out the results.

    Ca$h-McMoney!: Musil will clear waivers, it’s not an issue.

    Said some really smart people last summer and fall about 88. Would it have hurt to pull Musil out of the slow cooker and find out which kind of done he is?

  105. Truth says:

    Thorin:
    Stush, have you ever played or watched skilled lacrosse? Those cats have set breakouts that include a full line change without ever giving up control and without standing still behind the net. And they don’t get to skate and glide, they have to run to the damn bench! It’s always surprised me that hockey coaches don’t learn from this.

    I think lacrosse is a little different due to the amount of ball control you have. One on one on the open floor and the player with the ball will retain it more than 95% of the time (provided they’re just looking to keep control, not score). It’s very similar to basketball, in the way that to get a ball back in the offensive zone when the opponent has full control is a full court press, which carries a considerable risk.

    Watching 3 vs. 3 overtime I have often wondered about the lacrosse offense / defense approach you mention. At least for the first 2 changes. Start the OT with 2 D and a F. Gain possession, and switch to offensive players immediately. The detractor to this idea, again, is the lack of puck control and amount of turnovers in hockey. Once you have your offensive players on the ice and turn it over or miss the net it’s a quick break by the opponent, leaving the team extremely vulnerable.

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