THE WAYWARD WIND

The best minor league team in Oilers history came out of Wichita, and delivered some exceptional talent to Edmonton and the NHL.

The 1981-82 Wind

  • Andy Moog (40, 2.99 .895 that season), who had a couple of cups of coffee before and during 81-82 but established himself as a quality NHL prospect during that season. The Oilers would eventually deal Moog, but he was certainly one of the finest goaltenders of his era and one of the best in team history.
  • Charlie Huddy (32, 7-19-26), who would be a strong contributor to the best Oiler teams in history and play in over 1,000 NHL games. Huddy was not drafted, rather he was signed by the Oilers and spent parts of three seasons in the minors before graduating to the show. His development should serve as a strong reminder that good defensemen often take some time to develop. A splendid player.
  • Walt Poddubny (60, 35-46-81), who would flourish in the NHL. He played 468 games and scored 184 goals, 116 of those in a stunning three season run from 86-89.
  • John Blum (79, 8-33-41), who would play 250 NHL games (most with Boston) was signed by the organization from Michigan (NCAA) after his graduation from college.
  • Don Jackson (71, 7-37-44), who rescued his career in Wichita and performed well for the Oilers during the first portion of the Stanley runs (dealt Oct 86). He was a solid role player for the Oilers during those years.
  • Tom Roulston (30, 22-28-50), who played 195 NHL games (and scored 47 goals) for the Oilers just before they started bagging Stanley’s every spring.

There were other players who played in the NHL (Marc Habscheid played three playoff games, but would eventually make the NHL and play in 345 games; Eddie Mio, he had played 77 games before this year, and would get back to the NHL and play a total of 192 games; Ken Berry, 55 games; Ray Cote, 15 games; Blair Barnes, 1 game).

In this century, during non-lockout seasons, I believe the best team was the 2001-02 Hamilton Bulldogs. Not a shared team (Montreal would soon climb aboard in Hamilton), that crew boasted:

  • Coach Claude Julien guided the team to a 37-30-13 record and a deep playoff run. He would get his NHL chance and has delivered.
  • Jason Chimera (77, 26-51-77) has cleared 936 NHL games and 160 goals.
  • Fernando Pisani (79, 26-34-60) scored 102 NHL goals–regular season and playoffs combined–and one of them is an all-time goal deep in the heart of the Stanley cup finals. He played in 462 games.
  • Marc-Andre Bergeron (50, 2-13-15) was a minor league free agent signing who made all the experts look foolish by enjoying a solid NHL career. He is still active (in Europe) and played 490 NHL games between 2002-2013.
  • Ty Conklin (37, 2.61 .916) was a much sought after free agent and had an NHL career of note (215 games).
  • Alexei Semenov 78, 5-11-16) would go on to a 211-game NHL career as a big, stay-at-home defenseman.
  • Alex Henry (69, 4-8-12) was an enforcer/defenseman in the minors who made it all the way to the NHL for 177 games.

There were other teams that delivered quality (Jarret Stoll, Raffi Torres, etc) before Oklahoma City, but they were often shared with other NHL teams or a lockout teams. The best OKC Barons team? I will go with 2013-14, although things could change as the years roll:

  • Oscar Klefbom (48, 1-9-10) was a solid AHL rookie and has continued to develop into a quality NHL defender (when healthy). He is at 107 NHL games at this time.
  • Anton Lander (46, 18-34-52) is at 190 NHL games, although many of those took place with him in a fourth-line role.
  • Mark Arocbello (15, 10-18-28, I am using 10 games as the bar for the most part) worked very hard to forge an NHL career, and is currently at 139 games.
  • Brandon Davidson (68, 5-8-13) is a great example of patience—in fact, he pushed beyond the five-year rule, but emerged this season as a legit top 6D option. He is at 63 NHL games.
  • Martin Marincin (24, 3-4-7) arrived with Justin Schultz in OKC and formed a solid pairing in his rookie season. He is now in Toronto at 134 games and counting.

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There is a tendency for us to discount the Oilers development system, and honestly their ridiculous behavior in the middle part of last decade (lending players out, for crying out loud) earned all the attacks they received. That said, since heading to OKC, the team has had what looks like good coaching and this season—to my eye—the recalls have performed very well.

  • Leon Draisaitl (6, 1-1-2) and a stretch to have him on this list (the rule for above work was 10 games), but he was in Bakersfield before his terrific NHL run this year. He is now at 97 NHL games—and will pass the Cullen line next week.
  • Darnell Nurse (6, 0-1-1) started in the minors, and perhaps more time in the AHL is still possible (and advisable) this year. He has a fine range of skills, but has a difficult time delivering it consistently in the big leagues. Currently at 61 NHL games.
  • Griffin Reinhart (27, 2-7-9) is the latest Oilers prospect to divide the house. His being a former Oil Kings player, and the price paid to get him, has given us another target to verbally abuse on the internet. That vitriol aside, Reinhart’s performance in both the AHL and NHL has been mostly disappointing. Currently at 25 career NHL games.
  • Jujhar Khaira (35, 9-14-23) spiked offensively in the AHL and earned an NHL recall, where he performed well in 15 games. He is at least part of the conversation for next year’s team.
  • Jordan Oesterle (42, 3-20-23) appears to be a real option as an NHL recall, and I am not sure we knew that before this most recent look. He was chaotic a year ago, much better now. Has 11 NHL games to his credit.
  • Anton Slepyshev (34, 8-5-13) started in the AHL after a very strong training camp, before fading and being sent to Bakersfield. No idea what the future holds, I would have a better idea if he was lighting up the AHL (he is not). At 11 NHL games.
  • Laurent Brossoit (28, 2.69 .919) had a strong 2014-15 in the minors and followed it up with an even better effort this year. He is just getting started, but has a new contract and may well be the backup in the NHL next season. He has played in three NHL games at this time.

The Oilers have some interesting options now that the Nuge is active. Everyone has an opinion on the best plan of action moving forward, but I would like to see the Hall—Nuge—Draisaitl line reunited at some point, and wouldn’t mind seeing the Nuge get some time with 97 as well. There are one dozen games left, plenty of time for experiments—and if RNH is in trade talks it behooves Peter Chiarelli to see what he has before dealing him.

 

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61 Responses to "THE WAYWARD WIND"

  1. Klam says:

    I am with you on the Hall – RNH – Drai line.

    And I would switch up sometimes to Hendricks, RNH, Maroon….would love to see Pou – RNH – Maroon take on some tuffs and let Hall, McD, Ebs pick up the next.

    Man this season and the injuries is just killer.

  2. delooper says:

    The trade deadline has passed, hasn’t it? I don’t want to imagine RNH going.

  3. Woogie63 says:

    Any update on Klefbom?

  4. kinger_OIL says:

    – Please put Yak with any of Drai/Conner/RNH. Yes you guys in management hate him, but be rational: how much more can you get for him when he gets 10 points in this last stretch?

  5. stush18 says:

    So are we disappointed in nurse? His numbers are slightly worse than Reinharts now, and have been in decline for a long while.

    Maybe we’re disappointed that Reinhart shoots left, or that chia payed a questionable amount to acquire him.

    But I see a player every time Reinhart plays. Smarter than nurse.

    They are essentially the same player to my eye, as both are struggling rookies thrown in the deep end. Nurse is enthusiastic and aggressive and gets caught chasing, and Reinhart is calm and collected and too passive.

    The difference in love between these two players is astounding, considering they are both rookies playing above their heads

  6. Truth says:

    I too would like to see RNH and McDavid together on a line. The only problem is I think they are the two best natural centers on the team. Using one on the wing is a waste or their excellent play as a C on another line. I like the Hall-RNH-Draisaitl for the related reasoning. RNH takes the heat off Draisaitl in the defensive zone and lets Drai be the force on the boards in the O zone.

  7. delooper says:

    I don’t think anyone is anywhere close to disappointing in Nurse. He’s an excellent young defender. If you want to judge him by ridiculous standards I suppose you could be less than thrilled. But keep your head on, he’s a rookie D being force-fed way harder shifts than he should be. Given that, he’s doing GREAT!

  8. Woogie63 says:

    stush18:
    So are we disappointed in nurse? His numbers are slightly worse than Reinharts now, and have been in decline for a long while.

    Maybe we’re disappointed that Reinhart shoots left, or that chia payed a questionable amount to acquire him.

    But I see a player every time Reinhart plays. Smarter than nurse.

    They are essentially the same player to my eye, as both are struggling rookies thrown in the deep end. Nurse is enthusiastic and aggressive and gets caught chasing, and Reinhart is calm and collected and too passive.

    The difference in love between these two players is astounding, considering they are both rookies playing above their heads

    I am glad we have both of them

  9. Centre of attention says:

    Via Jack Michaels:

    “Out 23 games–eventually I believe EDM looks at Hall-McDavid-Draisaitl & Maroon-RNH-Eberle as their top two lines.”

    I like the idea of loading up the top 6.

    Draisaitl finding McDavid with those filthy back hand saucers is going to be a delight.

    Didn’t they have chem at the young stars tournament too? Or am I imagining things.

  10. One-Timer says:

    Played soccer and football with Van Diest in high school. In grade 11 he looked a LOT more like the photo on the left. Heh

  11. Truth says:

    stush18:
    So are we disappointed in nurse? His numbers are slightly worse than Reinharts now, and have been in decline for a long while.

    Maybe we’re disappointed that Reinhart shoots left, or that chia payed a questionable amount to acquire him.

    But I see a player every time Reinhart plays. Smarter than nurse.

    They are essentially the same player to my eye, as both are struggling rookies thrown in the deep end. Nurse is enthusiastic and aggressive and gets caught chasing, and Reinhart is calm and collected and too passive.

    The difference in love between these two players is astounding, considering they are both rookies playing above their heads

    To my eye it’s that they arguably make similar amounts of mistakes, but Nurse makes up for it with athleticism, his ability on the rush, and being a mean bastard. Plus he’s younger so you expect more mistakes from him. In summary, if Nurse was slow, didn’t skate the puck out of the zone, and soft, he’d be Reinhart.

    I do have hope that Reinhart figures it out and greatly reduces those defensive mistakes, thus making him an effective NHL player.

  12. Snowman says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – Please put Yak with any of Drai/Conner/RNH.Yes you guys in management hate him, but be rational: how much more can you get for him when he gets 10 points in this last stretch?

    I think this is a good point. Im’ not sure if he puts up 10 points with Mcdavid that other GMs wont just say “yeah but he produced with Mcdavid”.

    If he puts up 10 with RNH or Drai (love Nuge and Drai but they aren’t # 97) I think that adds a bit of value if you trade him or maybe opens up the door to keep him.

  13. bigbadbruin24 says:

    Andy Moog…always one of my favourites and always a sore spot with me and the Oilers, lol. Although Grant Fuhr was one heckuva goalie, I was always in the minority by thinking Andy Moog was the better of the two and should have been the number one over Fuhr. On the other hand I was very pleased he ended up going to my number one team, the Bruins and performed admirably there as well. Always liked him and always will which is a bit surprising to me because he came in on the heels of my all time favourite Oilers goalie Eddie Mio who I considered a hard act to follow. Now I’m really starting to show my age though so I’ll stop here, lol.

  14. Lowetide says:

    After 10 games this season, Nurse was 1-4-5 with a possession number of 49.3 and a SCA/60 5×5 total under 23.89. Those are good numbers. Edmonton, without many options, kept moving him up the depth chart until he finally landed with Andrej Sekera. He faded, should have been sent out, but they didn’t have six better options. Nurse has struggled, not because he is poor, but because he is young and overwhelmed. Suggesting he is somehow incapable of being a successful NHL top 4D in the future implies we know more than we do.

    http://lowetide.ca/2015/11/20/g20-2015-16-devils-at-oilers/

    jmo.

  15. Stelio Kontos says:

    Still think we run something like
    Hall Draisaitl Kassian
    Maroon McDavid Yakupov
    Pouliot RNH Eberle
    on the road, and

    Hall RNH Draisaitl
    Pouliot McDavid Eberle
    Yakupov XXX Maroon
    Kassian
    at home

    That requires another decent centre though.

  16. sliderule says:

    Oiler scout Jiim Neilson on why he recommended drafting Moog.

    “I saw I’m play a good game and I remembered his funny name”

    Oiler scouting has become way more sophisticated since then but not better or luckier.

  17. fifthcartel says:

    Lowetide,

    Interesting to see Cam Talbot’s save percentage in that post compared to today. What a huge run he’s been on.

    Someone I’m interested in watching is Oesterle. I’m not sure if it’s just the lack of speed of the other blueliners but his speed is really noticeable, and I think he’s a better puck handler than a lot of the options right now.

  18. jake70 says:

    Wow, Trump’s rally in Chicago getting ugly…….powder keg inside the arena. sorry to threadjack

  19. One-Timer says:

    sliderule:
    Oiler scout Jiim Neilson on why he recommended drafting Moog.

    “I saw I’m play a good game and I remembered his funny name”

    Oiler scouting has become way more sophisticated since then but not better or luckier.

    Are you sure MacT was more sophisticated than that when he observed Klefbom?

    Then again, this is just what they’re telling the media. I’d probably jerk around the journos if I had to deal with them all the time.

  20. Tarkus says:

    Not sure if mentioned already…but the initial third of Emerson, Lake and Palmer–from whose music I derived my username–just passed away. That’d be Keith Emerson, keyboardist extraordinaire.

    This video is from way past their heyday, but it still shows Emerson as a showman like none other:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVkR8MlZqR4

  21. John Chambers says:

    Do we know the extent of Davidson’s injury yet? Seems like a long time to wait for a report.

  22. godot10 says:

    One-Timer: Are you sure MacT was more sophisticated than that when he observed Klefbom?

    Then again, this is just what they’re telling the media.I’d probably jerk around the journos if I had to deal with them all the time.

    Eric Gustafsson must have had a bad day when MacT saw him! -). Yet somehow, three years later, he’s playing for the Chicago Blackhawks.

  23. Lowetide says:

    Tarkus:
    Not sure if mentioned already…but the initial third of Emerson, Lake and Palmer–from whose music I derived my username–just passed away.That’d be Keith Emerson, keyboardist extraordinaire.

    This video is from way past their heyday, but it still shows Emerson as a showman like none other:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVkR8MlZqR4

    Well damn. The best part of my radio listening as a kid was late night tuning to the monster stations, like KSTP, KIRO and KOA. Lucky Man was a late night staple.

  24. kinger_OIL says:

    Lowetide,

    – LT – I agree: Nurse’s upper market is that 10 game push: a 40-point D, with 10 goals.

    – So if you can get a trading partner whose willing to buy that “magic bean” and we get a D in return that is bona-fide top-4, I think you have to contemplate that trade.

    – Remember early this year there was talk of a Nurse + for Harmonic, and the consensus was no way: Nurse is untouchable. Do that trade all day. Nurse is probably a fine D, but you give to get.

    – We need to win now, not wait for 3 more years so that Nurse might be as good as some project

  25. Lowetide says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Lowetide,

    – LT – I agree: Nurse’s upper market is that 10 game push: a 40-point D, with 10 goals.

    – So if you can get a trading partner whose willing to buy that “magic bean” and we get a D in return that is bona-fide top-4, I think you have to contemplate that trade.

    – Remember early this year there was talk of a Nurse + for Harmonic, and the consensus was no way: Nurse is untouchable.Do that trade all day.Nurse is probably a fine D, but you give to get.

    – We need to win now, not wait for 3 more years so that Nurse might be as good as some project

    Four years of Hamonic at $3.875M has a lot of value. I don’t think anyone can deny it.

  26. Richard S.S. says:

    It’s all very well to talk about trading RNH, but will the return be enough.
    Connor McDavid is All World and should rank as one of the very best Centers in Hockey.
    Leon Draisaitl was forced to be the Oiler’s #1 C for a time and did not disappoint, playing much better than expected. Is he the Oiler’s #2 C? I think so. Where does he rank amongst the very best Centers?
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is very, very good, but where does he rank on the Team? I think he can be a #1 C on more than a few NHL Teams. Where does he rank amongst the very best Centers?
    Until you know exactly what you have, how do you know you’re getting the best return? I think he’s worth a one-for-one for a Top Line Defenseman.

    Nail Yakupov does some thing exceptionally well, some things really bad and the rest somewhere in between. He works cheap and has good trade value, artificially depressed. Can he be better? I don’t know, but I think he can; I know he should. It is important to find out what he can be, because I don’t think we’ve seen it yet.

  27. Lowetide says:

    Slepyshev from Hunt and Simpson. 1-1 early

  28. Lowetide says:

    Roy from Moroz and Currie 2-1.

  29. Lowetide says:

    Hamilton from Simpson and Josh Winquist. 3-1. Dillon Simpson is having a nice run.

  30. Lowetide says:

    Khaira from Pitlick and Hunt, now 4-2

  31. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Lowetide,

    LT, who do you hope to see as the starting 6 D for the Condors next season?

  32. fifthcartel says:

    I just noticed Ethan Bear hit 60 points this season and I was curious to see the last Oilers-drafted CHL defensemen to score over 60 points in the CHL.

    Danny Syvret had 69 in 62 games in the OHL with London in 2005, then the Oilers drafted him.

    Marincin/Gernat both came close to 60 but only hit the high 50’s.

    The next closet is Semenov/Chartier from the 1999 draft.

    This is all very arbitrary but I found it kinda interesting.

  33. who says:

    stush18:
    So are we disappointed in nurse? His numbers are slightly worse than Reinharts now, and have been in decline for a long while.

    Maybe we’re disappointed that Reinhart shoots left, or that chia payed a questionable amount to acquire him.

    But I see a player every time Reinhart plays. Smarter than nurse.

    They are essentially the same player to my eye, as both are struggling rookies thrown in the deep end. Nurse is enthusiastic and aggressive and gets caught chasing, and Reinhart is calm and collected and too passive.

    The difference in love between these two players is astounding, considering they are both rookies playing above their heads

    I admit I am not a numbers guy and I know a lot of people on this board are. But doesn’t somebody have to pass the visual test before you can compare numbers. If you watch the games I don’t see how you can rate Reinhart as better than Nurse. I don’t think it is even close. Nurse makes mistakes of aggression, Reinhart makes mistakes of indecision. I will take the guy who makes quick firm decisions over the guy who hesitates. All day long. Nurse may make the wrong read at times but at least he takes time and space away from his opponents. Reinhart looks like a deer caught in headlights out there. And how does a guy who makes the slower reads get credited for being smarter.
    On the subject of trading Nurse for a dman ( Hamonic). Don’t see why you would trade one of your starting dmen next year for another, even if Hamonic is better at this point. We don’t have 6 NHL caliber dmen signed for next year so the play is to trade a forward for d help if at all possible. Let’s get 6 NHL dmen gathered together before we start swapping for other dmen

  34. Lowetide says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Lowetide,

    LT, who do you hope to see as the starting 6 D for the Condors next season?

    Hmmm. I would like to see Reinhart, Oesterle, Simpson, Laleggia and two righties to replace David Musil and Brad Hunt. I like Musil, but think it is time.

  35. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: Four years of Hamonic at $3.875M has a lot of value. I don’t think anyone can deny it.

    10 years of Nurse cost-controlled has a lot of value. I don’t think anyone can deny it.

    In 4 years that means one would have to re-sign Hamonic and Hall simultaneously. With Nugent-Hopkins the following year. And one might Draisaitl the year prior.

    One isn’t gaining much if one defensemen is coming in, and one is leaving.

    I want Hamonic, but NOT at the cost of Klefbom or Nurse.

  36. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    ^^^^^ I agree 100%. Something about Nurse reminds me so much of Pronger when he came into the league. There are intangibles that can’t be measured like heart, determination and leadership that I think Nurse has its just going to take time as it does for many young defensemen. Brandon Davidson is a perfect example of a guy with all the intangibles who we all underestimated. Give Nurse time let him develop way too early to give up on our 21 yr old stud.

  37. who says:

    godot10: 10 years of Nurse cost-controlled has a lot of value.I don’t think anyone can deny it.

    In 4 years that means one would have to re-sign Hamonic and Hall simultaneously.With Nugent-Hopkins the following year.And one might Draisaitl the year prior.

    One isn’t gaining much if one defensemen is coming in, and one is leaving.

    I want Hamonic, but NOT at the cost of Klefbom or Nurse.

    Nice if it were true but I don’t think Edmonton has 10 years of control over Nurse.

  38. rickithebear says:

    Khaira
    12gm 6 evg 6 eva 12 evp

    RNH best results this year are with khaira, Slepyshev, Draisatl.

  39. Lowetide says:

    Pitlick from Khaira, 5-4 Bakersfield. Lordy.

  40. kooler says:

    Think we see Yakimov after condors playoffs? Good for Yakimov to learn the big man role from Maroon. Wonder if Slepyshev could play with McDavid…I guess anybody could look good with McDavid.

  41. godot10 says:

    who: Nice if it were true but I don’t think Edmonton has 10 years of control over Nurse.

    A lot of teams are skipping transition contracts and signing young D to max duration 2nd contracts. Brodin, Klefbom, Klingberg, Faulk, Larsson, etc…following Nashville’s shrewd move with Josi.

    So like with Klefbom, if the OIlers are smart, after the two remaining ELC years of Nurse, they should ofter him max duration eight years.

  42. kinger_OIL says:

    godot10,

    This is our “crisis”. Godot says: “I want Hamonic, but NOT at the cost of Klefbom or Nurse.” Kinger says: you have to give to get

    Who says: “Don’t see why you would trade one of your starting dmen next year for another, even if Hamonic is better at this point” Kinger says: because you get better next year?

    Kilty says: “Something about Nurse reminds me so much of Pronger” Kinger says: they are both tall and tough? Look up Pronger’s stats he went from a PPG+ D in the OHL to a 30-60 point player without missing a beat. There is nothing to suggest that Nurse will become a Pronger. Except he is a tough guy, like Pronger (just for fun look up Pronger’s PIM, I dare you to)

    “10 years of Nurse cost-controlled has a lot of value. I don’t think anyone can deny it.” Kinger says: because we have another 10 year time horizon to improve?

    I like Nurse, I really do, honest.

  43. godot10 says:

    kinger_OIL:
    godot10,

    This is our “crisis”.Godot says: “I want Hamonic, but NOT at the cost of Klefbom or Nurse.” Kinger says: you have to give to get

    Who says: “Don’t see why you would trade one of your starting dmen next year for another, even if Hamonic is better at this point” Kinger says: because you get better next year?

    Kilty says: “Something about Nurse reminds me so much of Pronger” Kinger says: they are both tall and tough?Look up Pronger’s stats he went from a PPG+ D in the OHL to a 30-60 point player without missing a beat.There is nothing to suggest that Nurse will become a Pronger.Except he is a tough guy, like Pronger (just for fun look up Pronger’s PIM, I dare you to)

    “10 years of Nurse cost-controlled has a lot of value. I don’t think anyone can deny it.” Kinger says: because we have another 10 year time horizon to improve?

    I like Nurse, I really do, honest.

    The OIlers have a lot of other assets than only Klefbom and Nurse and Davidson, and there are good defensemen other than Hamonic.

    My no-trade list is McDavid, Klefbom, and Nurse (and probably Talbot, and Sekera has a no-trade).

    The other two centres, Nugetn-Hopkins and Draisaitl, are my next most valued, then Hall, then Eberle.

    Lots of stuff to part with to improve the D before one gets to Klefbom and Nurse.

  44. kinger_OIL says:

    godot10,

    – Thank goodness you aren’t GM!

    – Look back in a year and see who has been traded!
    Who has said trade Klef by the way? But you’d trade him for a RH Klef full stop

  45. hunter1909 says:

    who: On the subject of trading Nurse for a dman ( Hamonic). Don’t see why you would trade one of your starting dmen next year for another, even if Hamonic is better at this point. We don’t have 6 NHL caliber dmen signed for next year so the play is to trade a forward for d help if at all possible. Let’s get 6 NHL dmen gathered together before we start swapping for other dmen

    This makes too much sense for many who comment on this blog.

    This blog prefers to act as a hipster version of the MSM.

    Where hockey is not seen as mere entertainment, but as a way to promote social change.

    Then, because said posters “know something” they feel superior – like Apple Employees.

    Ditto for the fancy stats nerds, who as least have the decency to live apart from the rest of us in the Lowetide equivalent of a medieval monastery.

  46. Yeti says:

    Great that Nuge is back, although I’m worried that he won’t have enough games left to finally crack that 50 points in a season mark.

  47. Yeti says:

    hunter1909,

    You know that Bernie Sanders is a huge fan of this blog, right?
    Mind you, I bet he’s a closet Habs fan.

  48. spoiler says:

    Yeti:
    hunter1909,

    You know that Bernie Sanders is a huge fan of this blog, right?
    Mind you, I bet he’s a closet Habs fan.

    This blog makes too much economic sense for Sanders to be a fan…

  49. who says:

    kinger_OIL:
    godot10,

    Who says: “Don’t see why you would trade one of your starting dmen next year for another, even if Hamonic is better at this point” Kinger says: because you get better next year?

    I understand that everyone wants to get better next year but I don’t agree with selling the farm just to make the playoffs. A Nurse for Hamonic deal might make sense if Hamonic was the missing piece for a Stanley Cup run but until then I think you keep the piece that has the higher upside and more years of control. I hear a lot of talk on this site about having to win during MacDavids ELC but we have six more years of MacDavid, lets keep the winning window open for at least those six years. For the record if we can move one of our wingers for a top two dman this summer I believe this is a playoff team next year.

  50. Woodguy says:

    godot10,

    10 years of Nurse cost-controlled has a lot of value. I don’t think anyone can deny it.

    You keep saying this.

    Oilers have 6 guaranteed years of Nurse left.

    If you assume that he’ll sign an extension past his RFA years, then you have to allow for an extension of Hamonic before he goes UFA as well.

    Controlled years:

    Hamonic 4
    Nurse 6

    Anything past that is conjecture.

  51. Woodguy says:

    godot10,

    Lots of stuff to part with to improve the D before one gets to Klefbom and Nurse.

    Klef should be on the “no-go” list, he’s one of 2 top 4 NHL Dmen in the org. You don’t trade from weakness.

    I agree there is lots to trade before Nurse and I hope he stays around, but he’ s not on my “no go” list at all due to time burning on Hall’s contract and McDavid leading the league in 5v5 pts/60 as a 19 year old.

    Move North now.

  52. Norman Greenbaum says:

    Guys, this is going to be in CAPS:

    STOP FALLING IN LOVE WITH PROSPECTS.

    This “he has a higher ceiling” BS is only relevant on an established team that can afford the luxury of not rushing their prospects. I will continue to bang the drum until you’re all sick of it, but we need the Nurse of 2-3 years from now, not continue to try and shelter him. He’s going to be a very good NHL d-man, I wish him a long career, I wish we had the time to let him marinate in the juices of the soft parade until he starts creaming the toughs when he’s ready.

    What WG said. Set course: DUE NORTH.

  53. Norman Greenbaum says:

    hunter1909: This blog prefers to act as a hipster version of the MSM.

    Yet you’re still here. Does this say more about you, or about the blog?

  54. Woodguy says:

    Norman Greenbaum: Yet you’re still here.Does this say more about you, or about the blog?

    Hunter is the hipster’s hipster.

  55. Bank Shot says:

    Norman Greenbaum:
    Guy, this is going to be in CAPS:

    STOP FALLING IN LOVE WITH PROSPECTS.

    But Cogliano is Marchant with hands…..

  56. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy: Hunter is the hipster’s hipster.

    Tried to grow a hipster beard once but it just looked like I was on the run. Even dogs growled at me.

  57. hunter1909 says:

    Yeti:
    hunter1909,

    You know that Bernie Sanders is a huge fan of this blog, right?
    Mind you, I bet he’s a closet Habs fan.

    Glad you mentioned the USA electoral process. It’s shaping up to replace hockey over in this neck of the woods. More fun than a barrel of monkeys(in a non-racist way).

  58. hunter1909 says:

    Norman Greenbaum: Yet you’re still here.Does this say more about you, or about the blog?

    Someone has got to run the Death March.

    Twelve games left.

  59. Norman Greenbaum says:

    hunter1909: Someone has got to run the Death March and make plaid look good.

    Twelve games left.

    FIFY

  60. highgloveside says:

    Hopefully Chia canstock the farm with offensive prospects over the next few years, they Oilers will need that as the salaries increase on McDavid, Draisaitl and Nurse.

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