SOUNDS FROM THE STREET

The Oilers lost a game they should have gotten a point (or two) from, but it has long since stopped mattering. We can look forward to the final three games of the season, the draft lottery and then Edmonton becoming trade central leading up to and during the draft. If there is any coin left we can chat about free agency.

FUN FUN FUN, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1
  • Oilers in January 2015: 5-7-1
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-5-2
  • Oilers in February 2015: 5-6-1
  • Oilers in February 2016: 4-8-2
  • Oilers in March 2015: 5-6-3
  • Oilers in March 2016: 7-8-0
  • Oilers after 79 in 2014-15: 23-43-13, 59 points (-82 GD)
  • Oilers after 79 in 2015-16: 30-42-7, 67 points (-40 GD)

It is difficult to get upset about the game (zebra’s aside), the Oilers rolled out a poor defensive group again and that cost them. If there is one lesson I hope Edmonton management learns from this season (and previous management never learned it) it is that balance is required and that defense is played more effectively with more than less veterans in the top 6D.

HIGH-DANGER SCORING CHANCES

  • Two: Connor McDavid, Taylor Hall, Nail Yakupov, Leon Draisaitl, Zack Kassian
  • One: Andrej Sekera, Mark Letestu, Adam Cracknell

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

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  • Sekera—Fayne had a nice night, lots of calm moments and moving pucks up. Interesting that the duo (Sekera) faced the Getzlaf line only 4:13, while seeing Kesler 6:02. The Ducks are a hornet’s nest, but I think Boudreau may have gotten better matchups with some Bowman shuffling. One good thing: Fayne played more than two other defensemen last night, so that is progress. I am now convinced the Oilers could run this exact pairing next season and emerge as a playoff team. Lots of minutes, many good decisions, great coverage. Fayne does not have speed, and he is not going to lead the team in successful sorties, but he is a solid defender. Sekera doesn’t get as many pucks through as we want and he isn’t a big bruiser, but he is a fine passer and can make plays in every part of the ice. Both veterans. More, please.
  • Nurse—Clendening both hit 50 percent in possession (I have 49 above for Clendening, fat fingers) but both men had tough moments. Clendening pinched on goal one and on the second GA could not get control of the situation during an addled 15 seconds by the team in their own zone. I liked Nurse better, but he also made some poor decisions—the Ducks are a fantastic breakout team and Darnell didn’t adjust well. Liked his compete against Getzlaf though, going to enjoy having him track that center for the next few years.
  • Oesterle—Reinhart had their ‘fire in the hole’ moments but overall got out of trouble without a lot of damage. GR had three blocks and played 21 minutes, battled hard and either delayed or crushed sorties consistently. I think he is winning an NHL job, perhaps freeing Chiarelli to deal another lefty. Oesterle had some good moments with the puck and transported enough to qualify for beam up from Scotty—his wheels are terrific, really like that part of his game. Those trips up the ice didn’t result in anything, but to my eye a lot of that had to do with an extremely effective Ducks team. Oesterle got the pucks to good places several times.
  • Cam Talbot had a fine night by my eye. He gave up a perfect shot goal to Perry early and then had reason to sue for non-support on the second goal.

CENTERS, LAST NIGHT

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WINGERS, LAST NIGHT

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  • Korpikoski—Letestu—Kassian had some good moments, Letestu had a nice chance and Kassian was more involved than he has been lately. I am seeing Letestu better as the season wears along, he does some nice subtle things (conquered a two-on-one by batting the puck out of the air. Impressive) and Korpikoski had a good night to my eye. Need more offense from this line.
  • Hall—Draisaitl—Yakupov had a solid night, getting the goal and six scoring chances—along with six shots on goal. Leon had two high-danger scoring chances but no shots according to the scoring—unusual—and seemed to have some of his sorcery passes back in his quiver. Hall might have been the best Oiler, he was bringing it every shift, great passes and drove to the net with authority. I thought Nail had a helluva game—scored a goal, battled for every inch and won the puck a few times. A fine evening by this line.
  • Hendricks-Lander-Cracknell did fine for a 4line, I always enjoy Lander’s winning faceoffs. I think the coach values that side of the game, but suspect Lander’s footspeed means that FO ability isn’t enough to keep him in the lineup. Plus the lack of offense. Hendricks was Hendricks, he hasn’t stopped working since he got here. I do like Cracknell as a 4line option, he brings veteran savvy along with the physical play. More veterans, please.
  • Maroon—McDavid—Eberle had two scoring chances and six shots on goal, didn’t cash and that is going to happen. This is a fantastic trio, though. McDavid generates a lot on his own, I like the big man on the portside and Eberle—despite having the yips these days (will not take a one-timer) is a nice match for McDavid. He could pop 40 next year.

Taylor Hall is the only player on this team not named Connor McDavid who is guaranteed to push the 5×5 river. You can put him with a reasonable center and expect production in any year—he is 1.77 with Leon and 2.52 with the Nuge—and the moment Chiarelli trades him Connor McDavid becomes the main target. Pushing the river is a rare, rare, skill. Trading Taylor Hall—in his prime—is worthy of instant dismissal. Fans paid in full for that pick with the blood, sweat and tears of their labor, and starting the damned car in -40 after a game that winter was no screaming hell, either.

I think we might be looking at a Nuge-for-blue trade and then signing back David Backes or something along those lines. I have mentioned that the die is probably cast for some time now. One suspects they will try to get a defenseman and a center in the deal (in that January article I suggest Boone Jenner and Travis Hamonic, but Jenner doesn’t take a lot of faceoffs despite being over 50 percent) and more than the Nuge could be heading out.

NAILING THE RETURN

  • Allan Muir, SI: For a deal to happen then, the Oilers likely will have to settle for a combination of B-level picks and prospects. Remember that the Bruins sent two second rounders to Tampa for former No. 6 pick Brett Connolly in 2015. It seemed like a vast overpayment then and now (he was scratched for Boston’s 3-1 win over Toronto on Saturday), but it’s possible that a deal could be made using that swap as a guideline. Source

I would rather see the return being something a little more immediately useful (Mark Pysyk, Damon Severson) and if not then keep him and maybe that is the guy you lose at the expansion draft. If the return isn’t there, Chiarelli would be wise to keep his powder dry. The Oilers do not have a history of doing well with dealing players who have requested trades. In a negotiation, indifference to the outcome gives one leverage. You may argue that his value is reduced if you don’t deal him, but I would argue that a feature role next year probably increases his value markedly. He can score goals, got one last night. Keep him with a skill C for 82 games, see if he has 20 points then.

Jimmy Vesey is a guy Kirk Luedeke was talking about to anyone who would listen back in the day.

  • Luedeke: Jim Vesey, LW Belmont Hill (High-MA)– He has nice size, hands and excellent hockey sense. His dad, Jim Sr., is from Charlestown, Mass. and was a legend at Merrimack College in the mid-80’s when he racked up goals and points in bunches. His son is a better skater than he was, and the senior Vesey tallied 126 goals in three seasons with the IHL’s Peoria Rivermen when he was a Blues farmhand in the late 80’s. Jimmy is proving that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree and has some real potential for an NHL team that can look past the competition level and envision him as a long-term prospect worth investing a pick on.  Source

Sounds to me as though Luedeke believes Vesey might be headed to Toronto. I would be shocked to my shoes if Edmonton landed him, but then again McDavid changes everything.

POULIOT, YAK TO ANAHEIM?

  • Jason Gregor: My source mentioned at the time the Ducks were close (not guaranteed but close) on a deal with Yakupov and Benoit Pouliot prior to the trade deadline, but the injury to Pouliot put an end to those discussions. Source

Hmm. I have always felt (and stated) Pouliot as an Oiler under McLellan didn’t seem to be a happy fit, maybe all of those offensive zone penalties have given the wrong impression. Based on the numbers, Pouliot is a very good winger and a player who can slide up and down the depth chart easily. It would be so Oilers to cash Pouliot because Maroon has been hot since arrival, but then again if these rumors are true they were talking about BP to ANA before Maroon. Who could be coming back? One of the blue? One of the goalies? Picks? No idea. The guy I bet Anaheim would be willing to move is Cam Fowler, don’t know that he is what the doctor ordered here (lefty, that Fowler, and has not had a splendid season). One hopes they were talking Vatanen and Gibson, but the value placed on Pouliot by Edmonton might suggest Bob Murray didn’t need to offer front line talent.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun show with smart guests today (and everyday!). Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, Cult of Hockey. Last night, Nail, Benoit, Nuge and Taylor: Who is out through the in door?
  • Guy Flaming, Pipeline Show. Oil Kings, CHL Playoffs, Frozen Four.
  • Scott Rintoul, TSN 1040 Vancouver. What the hell are the Canucks up to?
  • Corey Pronman, ESPN. The impressive 2015 draft by the Oilers, and some of the players behind Matthews and the Finns in the 4-6 overall range.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

 

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170 Responses to "SOUNDS FROM THE STREET"

  1. jonrmcleod says:

    ***SPAM ALERT***

    Another loss…

    Any reasons for optimism?

    I’m glad you asked! I just wrote something about that: http://www.theoilersrig.com/2016/03/reasons-optimistic-2016-17-oilers/

    Also, you’re in for an extra treat if you like bad album covers.

  2. Woodguy says:

    We are going to go insane with all the time between now and the draft.

    So much will happen (finally, for better or worse) but the uncertainty about it all may kill some due to stress.

    4 days until the Oilers next game, then 3 days off, then 2 days off and the final game.

    Nice of the NHL to run the Oilers ragged but give them a giant break near the All Star game then again at the end of the year.

    Putrid schedule, that was only partially made up for with all the “scheduled wins” the Oilers had this year (I think they only cashed on or two, certainly lost the last two against SJS and ARI, both via shut out)

    Also,

    I really don’t want the Oilers to trade Pouliot as he’s a value contract, but if the deal is Yak + Pou for Vantanen + Maroon (with 500k held), that’s pretty close to value I think and is a straight swap on $$$ (assuming Vatanen signs long term for $5MM or so)

    Fills a big need at 2RD and refills the LW depth for 2 years.

    I’d be ok with it if Chiarelli finished the trade after the playoffs.

  3. JDï™ says:

    jonrmcleod: Also, you’re in for an extra treat if you like bad album covers.

    Truer words have not been transmitted through tubes.

    Thanks for the writeup too!

  4. Captain's Log says:

    Last night provided the best example of why the challenge on offsides has to go – it only works in one direction.

    You can’t get scoring chances back that were wrongly taken away. The league wants to increase scoring and entertainment and so they introduce a challenge that slows the game down and only takes away offence. All because of one incident where a player was blatantly offside. Get rid of this bloody challenge already.

  5. Rondo says:

    LT,

    Can you ask Corey Pronman about early and late birthdays for the draft . Specifically Dubois and Sergachov .

  6. Woodguy says:

    Rondo:
    LT,

    Can youask Corey Pronman about early and late birthdays for the draft given that Dubois and Sergachov since they are younger than most in top 20.

    Yes please.

    Have him flesh out what he found about late and early birthdays.

    Its critical, critical stuff.

    Thanks.

  7. hunter1909 says:

    They finally play Yakupov, who’s only a first overall pick for an entire year a pair of good players and voila he scores the game’s first goal.

    Therefore, as an Oiler fan we’re supposed to all join hands with Katz/Lowe/MacT and gleefully argue how we can’t wait to see him traded.

    I’m too pissed about this shitty team to care much anymore though, and expect more of the same thing next season.

  8. frjohnk says:

    “Leon had two high-danger scoring chances but no shots according to the scoring—unusual—and seemed to have some of his sorcery passes back in his quiver”

    About high danger chances, around 73% of all HDSC in the league actually become a shot on net.

  9. SoCaloil says:

    I was very heartened with the level of compete out of our top 6 against both ANA & LAK.
    This is the season we will look back on and say the kids learned to play for one another and for the coach. They haven’t done that in the past.

    Whether its McLellan or McDavid’s compete level idk. But at the end of this pudrid season, I think McLellan got what he wanted out of this group. I’m starting to see near full 60 minutes. And despite the score, and the refs, it was a darn fun game to watch.

    I good with Yak + Pou for Vatenen and Maroon. Not sure if Yak will succeed in ANA. I don’t see Getslaf or Kessler as the type of C for YAK. Hell would have to freeze over before ANA trades Gibson. They will keep Anderson too because they don’t have too much depth in G below those two and they haven’t in years. (Bryz & Khudobin plugs).

  10. Woodguy says:

    jonrmcleod,

    That was hilarious.

    Well done.

    Also,

    The woman nuzzling with her dummy is very disconcerting.

  11. frjohnk says:

    jonrmcleod:
    ***SPAM ALERT***

    Another loss…

    Any reasons for optimism?

    I’m glad you asked! I just wrote something about that: http://www.theoilersrig.com/2016/03/reasons-optimistic-2016-17-oilers/

    Also, you’re in for an extra treat if you like bad album covers.

    great post.

    Those album covers are mint

  12. vinotintazo says:

    hunter1909,

    to be fair he’s been playing there for a few games now.

  13. OF17 says:

    What about Yak to the Rangers for one of their RFAs?

    They have Hayes, Kreider, and Miller who should be looking for substantial contracts this offseason, and I can’t see them trading Brassard, Stepan, Nash, or Zuccarello. New York has cap issues coming up, and I can see a scenario where they’d be interested in cashing one of those RFA forwards for a guy making $2.5 million with RFA rights after this year who’s a good bet to go at least 15-15-30 with an actual role on the team.

    Any of the three would be an upgrade on Yak IMO. They score more, they’re young, and if they don’t have size, they play C in addition to W. The question is which NYR would deal, and given they have Nash and Zuccarello as natural LWs and not much on RW, I bet it’s either Kreider or Miller. So you’d either run Hall-Pouliot-Kreider/Miller at LW and Maroon at RW or deal Pouliot to ANA for that defender.

    Yak has a value contract. In a summer where money will be very tight for a lot of teams, that has to be a key factor in his return. If it isn’t, Chiarelli isn’t using his assets to their fullest. Thankfully I’m more confident in Chiarelli getting it right than in any general manager I’ve ever closely followed (2006 product speaking).

  14. Woodguy says:

    SoCaloil,

    Not sure if Yak will succeed in ANA. I don’t see Getslaf or Kessler as the type of C for YAK.

    Yak is a left shot, so its easier for RHC to set him up for 1 timers.

    Getzlaf, Kesler and Rackell (top 3 C’s) are all RH.

    Boudreau was also the Head Coach in WAS when they designed their devastating powerplay around setting up Ovi for his one timer (or if they covered Ovi, take advantage of the resulting 4 on 3, great powerplay)

    I bet ANA does the same with Yak.

    I can see them starting him with Rackell as ANA runs unicorns (and is one of the favourites for The Cup, these things are not a coincidence)

  15. ASkoreyko says:

    That story from last night about Maroon stealing the Ana puck is pure gold.

    He knew they wanted, made sure he took it, and then dismissed them when they asked for it back. His buddy Perry even skated over and asked for it and Maroon told him to get lost.

    I am not really sure why Anaheim gave up on Maroon so quickly but the guy certainly seems to be a player and brings a certain je ne sais quoi to the Oilers that we have been missing for a long time. I mean Kassian is a dink, but everyone knows he is a dink. Maroon seems to also be a dink but it is not the first quality that comes to mind, combine that with enough size to not be scared of anyone and I think a player of his ilk is worth 5 Gazdics in terms of making the players around him stand tall.

    Combine the above with the fact that he is signed for the remainder of McDavid’s ELC at a dirt cheap level and we have something special.

  16. jake70 says:

    Captain’s Log:
    Last night provided the best example of why the challenge on offsides has to go – it only works in one direction.

    You can’t get scoring chances back that were wrongly taken away. The league wants to increase scoring and entertainment and so they introduce a challenge that slows the game down and only takes away offence. All because of one incident where a player was blatantly offside. Get rid of this bloody challenge already.

    I thought of something funny…imagine if the offside did work the other way. They would need to get a still shot of the arrangement of players on the ice at that moment, players would go to those spots and on the blow of the whistle, everyone resumes. Ridiculous but funny.

  17. hunter1909 says:

    vinotintazo:
    hunter1909,

    to be fair he’s been playing there for a few games now.

    Fair? Fair’s got nothing to do with it.

    : p

    Heartening to see Lowetide hacks salivating over Yakupov’s new team(the Ducks).

  18. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    SoCaloil,

    Not sure if Yak will succeed in ANA. I don’t see Getslaf or Kessler as the type of C for YAK.

    Yak is a left shot, so its easier for RHC to set him up for 1 timers.

    Getzlaf, Kesler and Rackell (top 3 C’s) are all RH.

    Boudreau was also the Head Coach in WAS when they designed their devastating powerplay around setting up Ovi for his one timer (or if they covered Ovi, take advantage of the resulting 4 on 3, great powerplay)

    I bet ANA does the same with Yak.

    I can see them starting him with Rackell as ANA runs unicorns (and is one of the favourites for The Cup, these things are not a coincidence)

    truth

  19. OF17 says:

    ASkoreyko,

    Agreed. Maroon has been just what the doctor ordered, and seeing Chiarelli hunt for Maroon/Kassian types at bargain discounts brings me confidence for the future.

    How the hell did we get a player of Maroon’s calibre with salary retained for a 4th rounder? If a 4th turns into Maroon @ $1.5 million, that’s a screaming success, even if Maroon falls back to earth as time goes on. And that isn’t even factoring in how well Maroon’s play fits with this teams strengths and weaknesses.

    It’s nice to be on the other side of the magic bean for player who’s 90+% certain to be better than the magic bean trade for once.

  20. Geeezeus says:

    Rondo,

    I also wonder who represents (agent) Sergachev?

  21. Gret99zky says:

    jonrmcleod,

    It may be a tad unrealistic to predict a playoff berth next season from a DFL team given the evidence of the last 10 straight seasons.

    But carry on.

  22. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909: Fair? Fair’s got nothing to do with it.

    : p

    Heartening to see Lowetide hacks salivating over Yakupov’s new team(the Ducks).

    You’re such an asshole.

  23. jonrmcleod says:

    Gret99zky,

    I didn’t actually predict playoffs.

  24. bendelson says:

    I don’t get all the consternation about the officials last night. After the gong-show in LA, how fair would it be to AHM if the league insisted they call last night’s game straight-up? These teams are fighting for the division title, don’t you know?

  25. jonrmcleod says:

    Woodguy: The woman nuzzling with her dummy is very disconcerting.

    You can’t call them dummies anymore.

  26. Hall Awaits says:

    The die was cast on Pouliot the day Chia came in. I think it has more to do with bringing in a Lucic/Okposo type then a Maroon coming in like gangbusters late in the year.

    My hope is LA signs Looch and then has to cut salary. I’ve always had an affinity for Dwight King….

  27. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Captain’s Log:
    Last night provided the best example of why the challenge on offsides has to go – it only works in one direction.

    You can’t get scoring chances back that were wrongly taken away. The league wants to increase scoring and entertainment and so they introduce a challenge that slows the game down and only takes away offence. All because of one incident where a player was blatantly offside. Get rid of this bloody challenge already.

    This is 100.0% on the money.

    If you added up all the inches in the five disallowed goals in Oilers games this year (3 for, 2 against) the combined amount they were offside would be much less than last night’s mistake, which was the full width of the blueline plus another full width of the blueline. But as you say there are no do-overs on whistles blown in error, only on whistles NOT blown in error.

    In other words, the attacking team still gets screwed by bad calls at the line, but they can no longer benefit from bad calls at the line. Offence loses either way. Typical NHL that they pay lip service to “increasing offence” while instituting measures to subtract offence. What a bunch of maroons.

  28. frjohnk says:

    hunter1909: Heartening to see Lowetide hacks salivating over Yakupov’s new team(the Ducks).

    Somebody suggested Yak will not succeed in Anaheim, some of us feel otherwise as they have 3 talented centers and Yak would most likely benefit ( especially since they are right handed, great for using Yak properly on the PP). I have posted numerous times, that show Yak produces well with most offensive centers. Just stickin up for the kid.

    You need to take a step away from the ledge.

    Seriously.

  29. Bruce McCurdy says:

    frjohnk:
    “Leon had two high-danger scoring chances but no shots according to the scoring—unusual—and seemed to have some of his sorcery passes back in his quiver”

    About high danger chances, around 73% of all HDSC in the league actually become a shot on net.

    Meanwhile, Eberle hit the side of the net on what I viewed as a Grade A+ chance, and gets credited with 0 HDSC. It’s baffling.

  30. Clay says:

    Woodguy:

    I really don’t want the Oilers to trade Pouliot as he’s a value contract, but if the deal is Yak + Pou for Vantanen + Maroon (with 500k held), that’s pretty close to value I think and is a straight swap on $$$ (assuming Vatanen signs long term for $5MM or so)

    I’m missing something here. I’m pretty sure the Oilers already have Maroon.

    So then it’s Yak+Pou for Vatanen… Or Yak+Pou+Gernat+4th for Vatanen and Maroon.

    I think that’s overpay, but we all know that’s going to be the case if the Oilers want to fix their defense properly.

  31. Little Poteet says:

    frjohnk,

    Maybe the ledge should step away from Hunter, lots of ledges hanging around that guy

  32. Woodguy says:

    jonrmcleod: You can’t call them dummies anymore.

    “Fabricated Canadians”?

  33. Gordies Elbow says:

    Good game by Griffin Reinhart, playing both sides of the ice. Really liked him with him on the right and Nurse on the left – glimpse of the future?

  34. Little Poteet says:

    Woodguy,

    “A puppet which self-identifies as a real boy”

  35. Ducey says:

    Wow, only three players with a CF% below 50% vs ANA. Potatoes in LT’s living room!

    I liked Yak’s game in the second and third. The Journal is reporting he got some boos in the first. That’s usually the kiss of death in these parts. Though Paul Coffey survived it.

  36. Woodguy says:

    Clay: I’m missing something here.I’m pretty sure the Oilers already have Maroon.

    So then it’s Yak+Pou for Vatanen… Or Yak+Pou+Gernat+4th for Vatanen and Maroon.

    I think that’s overpay, but we all know that’s going to be the case if the Oilers want to fix their defense properly.

    We’ve seen NHL GM’s do trades in two parts before, especially around the deadline when the cap is tougher to work with than the summer.

    I also think Chia might have done Murray a solid by driving out competitors for Pirri then withdrawing his offer late so Murray could pick him on the cheap.

  37. frjohnk says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Meanwhile, Eberle hit the side of the net on what I viewed as a Grade A+ chance, and gets credited with 0 HDSC. It’s baffling.

    the shot was actually taken outside the area that is HDSC.

    EBERLE was credited with a “scoring chance” which is the area known as the “arrow”. Trade marked on this site by you. 🙂

  38. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy: We’ve seen NHL GM’s do trades in two parts before, especially around the deadline when the cap is tougher to work with than the summer.

    I also think Chia might have done Murray a solid by driving out competitors for Pirri then withdrawing his offer late so Murray could pick him on the cheap.

    What? Have a link to support that claim?

  39. dustrock says:

    “I would rather see the return being something a little more immediately useful (Mark Pysyk, Damon Severson) and if not then keep him and maybe that is the guy you lose at the expansion draft. If the return isn’t there, Chiarelli would be wise to keep his powder dry. The Oilers do not have a history of doing well with dealing players who have requested trades. In a negotiation, indifference to the outcome gives one leverage.”

    Well LT, it sounds like, at least for the deadline this year, that Chiarelli was indifferent to the outcome, because Yakupov and Larionov sure made it seem like a deadline deal was 100% going to happen.

    Yak even says in the Russian article “something happened” and there wasn’t a deal.

    The logical supposition is that Chia didn’t find a good enough deal. So that’s a good sign. I guess.

    I have a feeling we’re in for one eventful offseason, and it’s going to be Lowetide: Civil War in here until the season starts and we see what Chia has done with our core.

    And if it is Lowetide: Civil War, I’m with Team Cap (LT).

  40. Ducey says:

    Woodguy: “Fabricated Canadians”?

    How about “Wood guys”? 🙂

  41. russ99 says:

    Maroon is a solid big forward who’s the perfect kind of player for McLellan’s systems. We could use two more like him for the third line next year.

    Pouliot being included in the Yak deal says to me that the brass thinks that Pouliot may not the kind of big player suited for McLellan’s systems.

    I hope Fayne is a pump-and-dump. We really shouldn’t run Sekera-Fayne next year if we want the playoffs, since that means only one quality D addition. We definitely need two.

  42. Fog of Warts says:

    The real story here is what to do after you tie up the bulk of your budget for a veteran 1D in Ference+Nikitin? How do you best live with the gaping foot wound until you work it off the books again?

    Do you shift everything else around, tightening the belt everywhere in equal measure? Maybe not. As soon as the conversation returns to our forward crew, the operative line will be “see what you have before you dismantle it”. Think carefully, because spreading your F a little thinner hasn’t got an instant undo button once the belt-tightening ends.

    There’s no such thing in the GM’s chair as transient liquidity. You can’t borrow balance. Balance isn’t a guiding star or a magic wand. Balance is the end product of one good decision after another, sustained for many seasons. The closest the GM gets to balance as an actionable good is at the draft table, also known as “drafting for need”.

    Yakupov was a disaster for the balance story (we should have traded down) because he’s pretty much always been the pump and dump golden child (ask not what Yak does for your team, ask rather what his linemates do for Yakupov).

    A “defense first” approach to thə rebuild is almost certainly the better balance story. But then that conflicts with the “we haven’t made the playoffs in X years” public lament, rending of garments, and billboard erection wrath. Unlike the river-pusher rebuild, a defense first rebuild sets an accurate clock (not speedy) by which fans can choose to wander off and halfway sit out several boring years at the outset.

    Guess what? Fans with short attention spans get the rebuilds they deserve. No sane pocket ever financed a new arena during a rebuild so slow-and-steady (Detroit-model bullet time) that 1/3 of the fan base drifts off into a holding pattern (keeping their wallet-flexing fan power dry for some future reigny day).

    Speedy rebuilds are not reliable. Too much luck involved. Too much need to achieve a critical mass of credibility on the FA market. Like cranking your engine on a cold morning. You really don’t know if the engine will catch on the first crank, or crank away until the battery goes soft.

    Speedy rebuilds devolve into A) some magical combination of good luck and good management; B) recriminations and gnashing of teeth (which only adds the cumulative burden of getting back out of the ditch again).

    The proper comparison for our last ten years are all the NHL franchises whose shallow-pocketed ownership base managed the pantry bare during the desperate end-game of an aging arena they could never afford to replace without finding some sugar daddy in shining armor.

    What does your pipeline need to function at maximal effectiveness? Viable shelter at the NHL level.

    And where does shelter come from at an affordable price tag for a team with no hope of a meaningful November? You’re sure not going to get that from outside the organization, so I guess you better hope your pipeline delivers.

    This unsolvable circularity even has a nice, convenient name: around these parts it’s called “because Oilers”.

    What finally breaks this gridlock? Double dipping. Clipping one cluster to salvage another.

  43. Gret99zky says:

    jonrmcleod:
    Gret99zky,

    I didn’t actually predict playoffs.

    Fair.

    I misinterpreted where Gloryland is.

  44. G Money says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Bear in mind that the definition of SC and HDSC per war on ice is purely location based. Ebs shot as I recall was from the middle-ish of the circle, which WOI considers medium danger. That would be why it wouldn’t have registered.

    WOI (as with all automated systems, including mine) cannot account for things like open nets, which is really what made Eberle’s chance a high danger chance.

    As I’m sure you’re “mildly aware” LOL, the only system that will account for it is the CoH manual scoring chance assessment, which is why, as maligned as it often is (mostly because of Staples’ unfortunately poor grasp of basic statistics), I ascribe lots of value to it, and always look at that data in conjunction with the automated data.

  45. Little Poteet says:

    Ducey: How about “Wood guys”?

    /end thread

  46. Lloyd B. says:

    That photo with the crooked blue line …. I can’t stop laughing. Too funny!

  47. jonrmcleod says:

    Gret99zky,

    Glory land could be interpreted as the playoffs. But I said maybe… if Chiarelli adds two top-four D.

  48. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: Boudreau was also the Head Coach in WAS when they designed their devastating powerplay around setting up Ovi for his one timer (or if they covered Ovi, take advantage of the resulting 4 on 3, great powerplay)

    1. OVI hits the net.
    2. He targets open holes on goalies.

    Yak does not have the controlled targeting to be a high % even shooter
    or
    an effective PP shooter

  49. rickithebear says:

    G Money: WOI (as with all automated systems, including mine) cannot account for things like open nets, which is really what made Eberle’s chance a high danger chance

    Open (net/Hole) shots?

    You don’t say!

    Successful zone entry/Pocession
    corsi/ Suc Zone Entry
    Fenwick/corsi
    Shots/Fenwick
    Open hole shots/shots.
    Broken into the 3 locational groups.

    You be getting closer!

    But you start to track open hole shots versus shots.

    All other data is squewed by the large affect of 1. quality of Shooter
    and
    2. True quality of D.
    open hole shots = ((Corsi – Blocks) – Misses) – Closed hole shots.

    Expressed in there ability to
    1. block the shot rates higher than the shooter Avg
    2. force miss rates higher than the shooters avg.
    3. Force closed shot rates higher than the shooters avg.
    4. Force high danger chance to a higher distance from the net.

  50. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: What?Have a link to support that claim?

    I’m not at my PC, but will dig up later.

    Edit:

    Which claim, the Pirri part or 2 part trade part?

  51. flyfish1168 says:

    I like that PC is willing to say no to a deal if it wasn’t right to trade Yak. As long as Yak keeps coming to the rink and playing like he did last evening I don’t see a problem with not trading him even this off season. If certain players are traded to make Yak room for Yak with a skilled center and top 6 minutes I don’t see him not wanting to come back. Here is hoping.

  52. Woodguy says:

    Ducey: How about “Wood guys”?

    *groan*

  53. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear: 1. OVI hits the net.
    2. He targets open holes on goalies.

    Yak does not have the controlled targeting to be a high % even shooter
    or
    an effective PP shooter

    It is not unpossible for Yak to practice, practice and practice his one timer, especially when the coach puts the PP carrot out there.

    He has one of the hardest shots and quickest releases in the NHL.

    Even his detractors admit this.

    He does need to work on aim.

  54. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy: I’mnot at my PC, but will dig up later.

    Cheers

  55. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear: Open (net/Hole) shots?

    You don’t say!

    Successful zone entry/Pocession
    corsi/ Suc Zone Entry
    Fenwick/corsi
    Shots/Fenwick
    Open hole shots/shots. Broken into the 3 locational groups.

    You be getting closer!

    He mailed it to himself but Canada Post lost it.

  56. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy: I’mnot at my PC, but will dig up later.

    Edit:

    Which claim, the Pirri part or 2 part trade part?

    Pirri part

  57. One-Timer says:

    jonrmcleod,

    I was thinking ‘Bad Hair Decade!’ but then again, with a couple more years of hard partying Harry Styles is gonna look just like Cody Matherson.

    There’s another reason for optimism: lowering the goal diff from -1 per game to about half of that is an important step. For recent cup winners who have emerged from the cellar, this has been the early indicator of a turn northward.

    Talbot’s save %age is a big factor, but not the only one. The puck is moving in the right direction more often, and last night’s game was a nice example.

  58. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy: He mailed it to himself but Canada Post lost it.

    So what do we call that move where McDavid mails it to future McDavid at full stride on the other side of the defenseman?

    The Canada Post move has a nice ring to it but the mail service there is too unreliable.

  59. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy: He mailed it to himself but Canada Post lost it.

    Now I’m being an asshole.

  60. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: So what do we call that move where McDavid mails it to future McDavid at full stride on the other side of the defenseman?

    The Canada Post move has a nice ring to it but the mail service there is too unreliable.

    McDavid squared?

    Purolator Express?

  61. Durag says:

    Woodguy:

    4 days until the Oilers next game, then 3 days off, then 2 days off and the final game.

    So…if I’m reading you correctly, Klefbom will definitely play?

  62. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Are we 100% sure Ference can be medically cleared this summer before the buyout window opens? I have read in places that LTIR to buyout doesn’t happen. In which case, are the Oilers on the hook for him next season too? In which case, does he then, following up on Woodguy’s comment, have to be protected in the expansion draft due to his NMC?

  63. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy: It is not unpossible for Yak to practice, practice and practice his one timer, especially when the coach puts the PP carrot out there.

    You could just as well put Eberle into this sentence.
    Especially since the PP carrot is as sure as the sunrise.
    Great players work on their game and improve to become better.
    Eberle is almost 26 and has yet to learn how to one-time a puck.

  64. Little Poteet says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I vote for Portal, something like “McDavid steps through the Portal, ends up on the other side of the defensman”

    At the risk of sounding like a young kid on somebody’s lawn, this is a reference to the Video game made by Valve called Portal. YouTube it, teh gameplay involves bending space and time in a way only McDavid can on skates

  65. One-Timer says:

    Woodguy: McDavid squared?

    Purolator Express?

    It’s the McDavid Turn. He used it to undress Vinny the other night for the assist.

  66. Zeabs93 says:

    Bold prediction: Yak goes to a team that utilizes him properly (either consistent top 6 mins/time with a talented center, and Ovi’s spot during the PP) and ends up scoring 40. No advanced stats or anything to back it up, just my opinion. I’ve always seen Yak good, if not a little clueless in the defensive zone.

    Oilers shouldn’t have drafted Yak if they were planning on trying to turn him into a 3rd line checking winger. He should have been drafted and developed as a top 6 complimentary winger who gets lots of OZone starts and PP time.

    How well would Eberle do playing with Korpse and Letestu half the year?

    Yak gets a chance in the top 6 earlier this year, doesn’t score in his first game playing with skill, sorry bud back down to the 3rd you go. So stupid…

  67. RexLibris says:

    Little Poteet:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I vote for Portal, something like “McDavid steps through the Portal, ends up on the other side of the defensman”

    At the risk of sounding like a young kid on somebody’s lawn, this is a reference to the Video game made by Valvecalled Portal. YouTube it, teh gameplay involves bending space and time in a way only McDavid can on skates

    I was throwing around ideas like “Connor McDavid – TimeCop” or maybe some reference to the movie Looper.

    I’m more than a little hesitant to link McDavid in any way to Jean-Claude Van Damme, so maybe the Joseph Gordon-Levitt one is better.

  68. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Isn’t the expansion draft taking place at the end of next season? If so I imagine contracts that expire at the end of next season (Korps, Ference, Maroon, Yak, etc.) aren’t a concern.

    Why would a team select someone who is going to be a UFA come July 1?

  69. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: You could just as well put Eberle into this sentence.
    Especially since the PP carrot is as sure as the sunrise.
    Great players work on their game and improve to become better.
    Eberle is almost 26 and has yet to learn how to one-time a puck.

    Come on. Let’s get with the program. You need to brush up on your Oiler memes.

    Eberle – aka “Dust Devil.” he has to dust off every puck before he shoots it.

    Hall -” Pillsbury Doughboy” all about the turnovers.

    Nuge – “Nugey Solomon” third rock from the sun

    Yakupov – “Omar Sharif” – he’s not really Russian

    Draisaitl – “You look good, for your age” – always has a backhanded compliment

    McDavid – “Purolator Express” delivers to himself and ahead of schedule

    Pouliot- “Freon” – takes an ozone penalty

  70. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Isn’t the expansion draft taking place at the end of next season?If so I imagine contracts that expire at the end of next season (Korps, Ference, Maroon, Yak, etc.) aren’t a concern.

    Why would a team select someone who is going to be a UFA come July 1?

    They wouldn’t. But the Oilers could be forced to protect Ference because of his NMC

  71. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Cheers

    There was lots of smoke around the Oilers trading their 2nd for Pirri.

    Here’s some tweets:

    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug · Feb 29

    Highly doubt the Oilers would do a 2nd for Pirri.. their 2nd will be pretty high this year as Chiarelli alluded to in his Presser.

    Its tough to dig up old tweets on my phone.

    Here’s a piece that has a copy of a Yost tweet: http://fansided.com/2016/02/28/nhl-trade-rumors-new-york-rangers-edmonton-oilers-interest-brandon-pirri/

    Travis Yost ‎‎@travisyost
    Asking price for Brandon Pirri looks like a second round pick or mix of mid-rounders. NYR, EDM in the mix. Likely moved next 24-hours.
    7:51 AM – 28 Feb 2016

    There were lots of others basically saying the same thing.

    Pirri is out there, EDM interested, price is a 2nd or so.

    So why did Murray get him for a 6th?

    EDM was reported as the front runner for Pirri for most of Feb 28/29.

    EDM’s pick would trump pretty much everyone’s.

    The other teams drop out as they address their rosters another way.

    EDM picks up Marron, tells Tallon “sorry, got a guy for cheaper”

    Tallon’s other options who were bidding up around 2nd/3rd for Pirri are done.

    Murray calls Tallon, offers a 6th, 10 minutes until deadline, Tallon has no choice as he’s committed to moving Pirri. (coach scratched him etc)

  72. kinger_OIL says:

    Captain’s Log,

    Captain says: “Last night provided the best example of why the challenge on offsides has to go – it only works in one direction.You can’t get scoring chances back that were wrongly taken away.”

    – Kinger says: “It will never happen, but offside is just a dumb rule period. If you have guys that want to “cherry pick”, you let them.

    – Have an off-side rule only for power plays: i.e. keeping the puck inside the blue lines”.

    – I am so right on this, I’ve talked to all kinds of hockey players about it, when I go through it, they can’t disagree. So if you decide cherry pick, then you are a man down going the other way. The rushes back and forth would be great.

    – Give me one reason why it wouldn’t be better for the game. This way, the only way a play gets stopped is icing, or a save, or boarding or a penalty.

  73. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Are we 100% sure Ference can be medically cleared this summer before the buyout window opens? I have read in places that LTIR to buyout doesn’t happen. In which case, are the Oilers on the hook for him next season too? In which case, does he then, following up on Woodguy’s comment, have to be protected in the expansion draft due to his NMC?

    No one is sure about either Ference being medically cleared for a buy-out (he can agree and remove that part of the equation).

    We are also not clear if NMC *must* be protected, but that is my guess.

  74. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy,

    Thanks for digging all that up. Would love to hear from some of those reporters on whether they think Chia really did that or if the 2nd was never on the table. If it was you would think Tallon would have taken it.

  75. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Come on. Let’s get with the program. You need to brush up on your Oiler memes.

    Eberle – aka “Dust Devil.” he has to dust off every puck before he shoots it.

    Hall -” Pillsbury Doughboy” all about the turnovers.

    Nuge – “Nugey Solomon” third rock from the sun

    Yakupov – “Omar Sharif” – he’s not really Russian

    Draisaitl – “You look good, for your age” – always has a backhanded compliment

    McDavid – “Purolator Express” delivers to himself and ahead of schedule

    Pouliot- “Freon” – takes an ozone penalty

    I don’t know whether to clap or boo.

    Very well done.

  76. spoiler says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Come on. Let’s get with the program. You need to brush up on your Oiler memes.

    Eberle – aka “Dust Devil.” he has to dust off every puck before he shoots it.

    Hall -” Pillsbury Doughboy” all about the turnovers.

    Nuge – “Nugey Solomon” third rock from the sun

    Yakupov – “Omar Sharif” – he’s not really Russian

    Draisaitl – “You look good, for your age” – always has a backhanded compliment

    McDavid – “Purolator Express” delivers to himself and ahead of schedule

    Pouliot- “Freon” – takes an ozone penalty

    Well done!

    Klefbom – Hurt Locker, if anything seems a lock on this team…

  77. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Woodguy,

    Thanks for digging all that up. Would love to hear from some of those reporters on whether they think Chia really did that or if the 2nd was never on the table. If it was you would think Tallon would have taken it.

    There were enough disparate reports about the Oilers being in on Pirri that I’m taking it at face value.

    Pretty sneaky shit if it was done explicitly to help Murray or if it just turned out that way.

    With reports coming out that a bigger deal with ANA was in the works until Pou went down on Feb 28th I’d lean toward the long con.

  78. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy,

    How does this explain Pirri’s trade announced hours before Maroon?

  79. knighttown says:

    Bruce McCurdy: This is 100.0% on the money.

    If you added up all the inches in the five disallowed goals in Oilers games this year (3 for, 2 against) the combined amount they were offside would be much less than last night’s mistake, which was the full width of the blueline plus another full width of the blueline. But as you say there are no do-overs on whistles blown in error, only on whistles NOT blown in error.

    In other words, the attacking team still gets screwed by bad calls at the line, but they can no longer benefit from bad calls at the line. Offence loses either way. Typical NHL that they pay lip service to “increasing offence” while instituting measures to subtract offence. What a bunch of maroons.

    And they’ve sort of painted themselves into a corner now. There’s so little offense that every goal is crucial and could cost a team a win, a playoff spot, a playoff round or even a Stanley.

    It’s that vicious cycle of fewer goals leads to every goal being more important which leads to:
    1. coaches designing game plans that obsess on preventing goals
    2. GMs constructing rosters of players who will obsess on preventing goals
    3. players being selected because of their obsession with preventing goals
    4. the league, under intense media scrutiny to not award a franchise-altering goal that isn’t deserved, creates rules and guidance to make sure they get the call right.
    5. the officials, all-to-aware they are one undeserved goal away from losing their jobs, avoid putting themselves in position to be the goat

    Until the equation is changed all five interested parties (players, coaches, league, officials and managers) will continue to cheat for defense.

    Think that’s over-the-top?

    Tampa Bay Lightning coach Jon Cooper chose to play Patrick Killorn more than Steven Stamkos in last years playoffs and was rewarded with a trip to the conference finals.

    More recent? The Anaheim Ducks were dead in the water because an offensive coach, Bruce Boudreau, took the reins off his offensive talent and had them buried in the league’s basement in early-December. Since then they play THE most suffocating hockey in the NHL and might be my favorite to win the Cup.

    Make no mistake, EVERY coach in the NHL including Todd MacLellan is pointing to Anaheim as an example of how they want their teams to play. Their failure and success has been an absolute disaster for those of us begging for more offense.

  80. Little Poteet says:

    Woodguy,

    Next Level GM-ing. Imagine what could happen if Chia teams up with another GM to go after Benning?

  81. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: It is not unpossible for Yak to practice, practice and practice his one timer, especially when the coach puts the PP carrot out there.

    He has one of the hardest shots and quickest releases in the NHL.

    Even his detractors admit this.

    He does need to work on aim.

    I take Yakimov’s more accurate yet quick wrist shot over Yakupov.

    Misses; Closed shots.

    Hall digression to a lower Shooting % is evident in were he targets on the net.

    Woodguy: He mailed it to himself but Canada Post lost it.

    You know I have presented this years before you!

    It is not lost!

    I was pointing out zone entry rates numbers by others.
    That were published well before dellow’s extensive work that came to same conclusion.
    that was what 2 years of protest on here till the love for dellow’s supporting work.
    I e. not his ideas or intelectual property!

    The conclusion of D affect that said +/- 1.23% of the 100% shot rate.
    which was a shit conclusion.
    since the the goalie save % range was 3.5% 2.46/3.50% = 70.2%
    you guys argued for what
    2 years against that!

    Like langes shot graphs well before G money’s game by game graphs [small sample size is useless 😉 ]
    His data clearly showed compressed shot and range affect on Goal production.

    Some kind of Ninja’s shot charts that allowee you guys to see what was evident in sht success by X,y co-ordinates.

    Arguing the sustainability of Shooting % years ago.
    Knowing shot compression and Penetration rates and Open hole targeting.

    Could you imagine me throwing that at you before you guys had stumbled to the point you are at!

    I laugh at the names on here ” who thought the Hockey world was flat”

    You are yet to realize the sun (open hole shots) is in the center.

    Continue to be an ass WG!

    I enjoy and respect the behavior!

  82. knighttown says:

    Captain’s Log:
    Last night provided the best example of why the challenge on offsides has to go – it only works in one direction.

    You can’t get scoring chances back that were wrongly taken away. The league wants to increase scoring and entertainment and so they introduce a challenge that slows the game down and only takes away offence. All because of one incident where a player was blatantly offside. Get rid of this bloody challenge already.

    If someone at league office actually gave a fuck, I’d like to see them use a sort of “continuation” for offsides. The linesman could “advise” the players that he thinks the play is offside but they’d have the choice of flipping it into the corner and getting back onside or playing out the string to see if anything comes out of it. The technology is there to correct things in that rare occasion a goal is actually scored.

  83. dangilitis says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/radio/edmonton-1260/larionov-there-was-good-interest-from-three-teams-for-yakupov-1.460660

    Can we hire Larionov as our GM?

    Paraphrased, he stated:
    – That you have to have 3 lines that can do damage offensively
    – Edmonton no doubt has the opportunity to do this with 3 very talented players, those are 3 centers you can build around
    – So 3 lines, can each play 15-16 minutes a night and forwards on each line would have an opportunity to score 25-30 goals (this line a bit of a stretch, and understates the fact that more time can be taken from the 4th line so that it doesn’t play 12-15 minutes)
    – A player like Yak shouldn’t be played for 2 minutes in any period
    – Need for balance on the roster and veterans to surround players like Yak, players take him under the wing
    – We are civilized people, we are just trying to find a solution, we are talking about the career of a young player here
    – Yak loves the city, he isn’t going to Drouin the team, he just wants to be utilized more
    – Once again, Yakupov is an Oiler, he belongs to Edmonton, and they have to make a decision
    – It’s all about being recognized and appreciated, that’s what its all about

    Some of these comments, particularly the last one, could be taken the wrong way, but I see this as asking the team to understand what his strengths and weaknesses are and appreciating and trying to develop his strengths for mutual benefit rather than merely dwelling on weaknesses. Otherwise, to ship him to a place where he can get a fresh start and won’t be vilified because he’s not Jonathan Toews. I came away with the opinion that there is a non-zero chance that Yak remains with the team (from 0 to 1%), but it still stands to reason that if Chiarelli is looking at trading a player like Hall or Eberle, Yakupov will not be seen as a reasonable replacement option from within. Nor should he at this point.

    1 personal note and a few honest questions:
    – I am so sick and tired of hearing about Yakupov’s mediocre “hockey IQ.” I personally saw many good examples of hockey plays yesterday that demonstrated great offensive IQ. Hockey IQ = eyeball test, which can be misleading for a 22 year old playing on a shitty team with centers who are either under the age of 22 or are offensively inept, and where mistakes are more likely to end up in the back of the net.
    – If Yak was teamed up with Kane and Anisomov this year, and had a jump in his TOI/GP from 14:17 to 18:28, could he have put up close to 60 pts? How about 2 years from now, when he’s Panarin’s age?
    – Would Yak’s production be significantly better if he played a full season as winger on the Draisaitl-Hall line instead of Purcell, who was never going to play for the Oilers beyond this season? Was that poor asset management?

  84. kinger_OIL says:

    knighttown,

    – Or just as I posted: no off-side at all, except for power-plays…Off-side is a dumb rule in Hockey

  85. Atc-Nate says:

    I’ve stated to a buddy that we should get rid of the blue line. Gonezo. Crazy thought, major change, won’t happen … But the idea has its merits.

  86. Sugar Reijo says:

    jonrmcleod:

    Also, you’re in for an extra treat if you like bad album covers.

    Hilarious.

    Cody Matherson looks like the Feral Kid from The Road Warrior all grown up and just out of rehab.

  87. McSorley33 says:

    Sami Vataanen has 37 points for the Ducks. 5th in scoring

    Anchors #1 PP in the NHL.

    Plays 21 min a night.

    Shoots right.

    Why would the Ducks move him?

    I am not certain it might not be Fowler.

    If it sounds to good to be true… ( Vataanen )….

  88. RexLibris says:

    Little Poteet:
    Woodguy,

    Next Level GM-ing. Imagine what could happen if Chia teams up with another GM to go after Benning?

    I think Benning has been complicit in teaming up on himself enough of late.

    Just think what MacTavish might have paid for Maroon.

  89. Little Poteet says:

    McSorley33:
    Sami Vataanen has 37 points for theDucks. 5th in scoring

    Anchors #1 PP in the NHL.

    Plays 21 min a night.

    Shoots right.

    Why would the Ducks move him?

    I am not certain it might not be Fowler.

    If it sounds to good to be true… ( Vataanen )….

    Go for Lindholm, even if the price is dear

  90. bendelson says:

    Sugar Reijo: Hilarious.

    Cody Matherson looks like the Feral Kid from The Road Warrior all grown up and just out of rehab.

    Why do you hate Emil Minty?

  91. Woodguy says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Woodguy,

    How does this explain Pirri’s trade announced hours before Maroon?

    Pirri’s trade was logged first with the NHL.

  92. Woodguy says:

    Little Poteet:
    Woodguy,

    Next Level GM-ing. Imagine what could happen if Chia teams up with another GM to go after Benning?

    I’d love Tanev.

    I rate him over Hamonic and Demers.

    Taven > Demers > Hamonic imo

  93. Woodguy says:

    McSorley33:
    Sami Vataanen has 37 points for theDucks. 5th in scoring

    Anchors #1 PP in the NHL.

    Plays 21 min a night.

    Shoots right.

    Why would the Ducks move him?

    I am not certain it might not be Fowler.

    If it sounds to good to be true… ( Vataanen )….

    Vantanen’s name has been out there because:

    1) ANA is a budget team
    2) They are loaded with good young Dmen, including RHD
    3) He needs a new contract, which might start with a $5
    4) Lindholm, their best Dman (and therefore will not trade), needs a contract and it might start with a $6
    5) Vantanen is 2nd on the team in 5v4 TOI/gm – Fowler 2:59, Vantanen 2:51, Lindholm 2:01.
    6) For the 15 games Theodore played, he averaged 2:43 5v4 and can take Vantanen’s spot
    7) They need scoring wingers and Vantanen gets the best return
    8) I bet they would move Fowler too and that is the bogey here, but Folwer gets them much, much less than Vantanen would

    That’s my take.

  94. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: I’d love Tanev.

    I rate him over Hamonic and Demers.

    Taven > Demers > Hamonic imo

    EXACTLY. Benning is being taken to the cleaners and is a very vulnerable position.

    I’d be calling him about Yakupov to see what his value is on Tanev.

    If they could add Tanev and Demers or Hamonic, and *fingers crossed* Klefbom returns with Davidson, that means you add in Reinhart and Fayne and let Nurse develop some more. That is an actual, real, living and breathing NHL defense corps.

  95. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear: I take Yakimov’s more accurate yet quick wrist shot over Yakupov.

    Misses; Closed shots.

    Hall digression to a lower Shooting % is evident in were he targets on the net.

    You know I have presentedthis years before you!

    It is not lost!

    I was pointing out zone entry rates numbers by others.
    Thatwere published well before dellow’s extensive work that came to same conclusion.
    that was what 2 years of protest on here till the love for dellow’s supporting work.
    I e. not his ideas or intelectual property!

    The conclusion of D affect that said +/- 1.23% of the 100% shot rate.
    which was a shit conclusion.
    since the the goalie save % range was 3.5% 2.46/3.50% = 70.2%
    you guys argued for what
    2 years against that!

    Like langes shot graphs well before G money’s game by game graphs [small sample size is useless ]
    His data clearly showed compressed shot and range affect on Goal production.

    Some kind of Ninja’s shot charts that allowee you guys to see what was evident in sht success by X,y co-ordinates.

    Arguing the sustainability of Shooting % years ago.
    Knowing shot compression and Penetration rates and Open hole targeting.

    Could you imagine me throwing that at you before you guys had stumbled to the point you areat!

    I laugh at the names on here” who thought the Hockey world was flat”

    You are yet to realize the sun (open hole shots) is in the center.

    Continue to be an ass WG!

    I enjoy and respect the behavior!

    Wait. So you know those numbers are out there? Why do you spew out meaningless stats every other day then?

  96. marchmentsknee says:

    dangilitis,

    Your personal comments on Yak are dead on. He’s 22 freaking years old and under a good contract.

  97. Lackadaisical says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: So what do we call that move where McDavid mails it to future McDavid at full stride on the other side of the defenseman?

    The Canada Post move has a nice ring to it but the mail service there is too unreliable.

    mc^2 David effect?

  98. Little Poteet says:

    A good article about Todd’s pregame presser yesterday:
    http://thehockeywriters.com/oilers-hand-patrick-maroon-chance-of-a-lifetime/
    As LT once said, McDavid is going to make a lot of guys a lot of money, if they make the most of their chance. The new 19 is fast becoming a favorite of mine. He knows what he does well and what his job is, then he goes and does it. I hope it is sustainable, because all to often, coaches and fans here in Edmonton have far too little patience with players who are actually “good bets”.

  99. Frank the dog says:

    Does anyone here think that this team could lose all of Hall, Nuge, and Ebs and still be a playoff team next year? I don’t.
    Nor do I think that Chia would voluntarily trade them all. At least Hall would have to ask out.
    If they haven’t asked, I think all of the above may no longer care whether they stay or go.

  100. Sugar Reijo says:

    bendelson: Why do you hate Emil Minty?

    I don’t. It’s more that I love Cody Matherson.

    That said, would happily trade either one for Vatanen.

  101. Truth says:

    Frank the dog:
    Does anyone here think that this team could lose all of Hall, Nuge, and Ebs and still be a playoff team next year? I don’t.

    If they picked up Doughty, Gallagher, and Hamonic, plus drafted Mathews or Laine, I’d say they have a shot.

    That will never happen, but it’s what I’d be looking for (I’d also include Klefbom and Yakupov in deals out of town).

  102. SoCaloil says:

    My comment related to 5-on 5 play.
    ANA is no 1 on the PP w/ 23.4%. They don’t really need help in the area…they don’t need YAK here.

    All I’m saying is Kessler is a 2 way guy with Silfverberg & Cagliono.
    Belesky worked with those two…but I don’t see this as a perfect fit

    Getz cuts top copetition. This is also not an ideal spot for Yak. He needs more clean air. They have had difficulty filling this void. Maroon didn’t fit. Perron does to some extent..

    Rackell could work and you have unicorns. They are playing Perry here. Perry is the F most guy and ideally that’s where you’d want Yak. Also, Yak would be better suited playing with veteran C.

    All i’m saying is ANA is not the ideal place for him. That’s it that’s all.

  103. kinger_OIL says:

    Little Poteet,

    – Funny you should mention Conner making guys a lot of money. A few months ago, Ryan Whitney in this excellent Player’s Tribune article thanks Sid the Kid for making him so much money (the site is a great addition to Sport by the way, I highly recommend bookmarking it:

    http://www.theplayerstribune.com/ryan-whitney-khl-nhl-radio/

    – Maybe Conner can be our “pump and dump” guy: i.e you slap any guy on his wing for a few weeks, to boost his numbers: then trade him. Rinse repeat for next 10 years!

  104. commonfan14 says:

    Captain’s Log: Last night provided the best example of why the challenge on offsides has to go – it only works in one direction.
    You can’t get scoring chances back that were wrongly taken away. The league wants to increase scoring and entertainment and so they introduce a challenge that slows the game down and only takes away offence. All because of one incident where a player was blatantly offside. Get rid of this bloody challenge already.

    To all the people who I’m sure will agree with this, why not come a little further?

    The fact that fans are so upset about the NHL doubling down to make sure a rule is called correctly should have us all looking at the rule itself, not the coach’s challenge.

    Free your mind of a lifetime of being told that offside is a rule and really think about what it does and whether it’s necessary. Do we enjoy scoring rushes or offensive zone possessions being called dead for a manufactured reason?

    Offside isn’t something that aliens have come down and imposed on the people of earth. It’s a rule we created and are inflicting on ourselves.

    It can go away entirely if enough people call for it.

  105. Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons says:

    Little Poteet:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I vote for Portal, something like “McDavid steps through the Portal, ends up on the other side of the defensman”

    At the risk of sounding like a young kid on somebody’s lawn, this is a reference to the Video game made by Valvecalled Portal. YouTube it, teh gameplay involves bending space and time in a way only McDavid can on skates

    I support this. Plus, the portals used in the game are blue and orange.

    Of course, if someone came up with a Dr. Who reference, i’d probably switch my vote.

  106. Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons says:

    commonfan14:

    say what you will about off-sides, but let’s not make any assumptions about what Kang and Kodos have or have not done to the people of Earth.

  107. GMB3 says:

    Woodguy,

    Hey WG, what do you mean by “runs unicorns”?

  108. kinger_OIL says:

    commonfan14,

    CommonFan says: “Free your mind of a lifetime of being told that offside is a rule and really think about what it does and whether it’s necessar”

    – Yes!!! Another “believer”. Off-side is a dumb rule (except for power-plays, where you need a way to defend). It’s too radical, “because that is how it’s always done”

    – The flow with no off-side would be beautiful though, and tactics interesting: whether to stay back, cherry-pick, load up one way or the other…

  109. vinotintazo says:

    GMB3: Hey WG, what do you mean by “runs unicorns”?

    3 scoring lines.

  110. jonrmcleod says:

    Sugar Reijo: I don’t. It’s more that I love Cody Matherson.

    Did you know Kirk Van Houten did a cover of the song?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fmj5TWxxog

  111. Little Poteet says:

    commonfan14,

    commonfan14: To all the people who I’m sure will agree with this, why not come a little further?

    The fact that fans are so upset about the NHL doubling down to make sure a rule is called correctly should have us all looking at the rule itself, not the coach’s challenge.

    Free your mind of a lifetime of being told that offside is a rule and really think about what it does and whether it’s necessary. Do we enjoy scoring rushes or offensive zone possessions being called dead for a manufactured reason?

    Offside isn’t something that aliens have come down and imposed on the people of earth. It’s a rule we created and are inflicting on ourselves.

    It can go away entirely if enough people call for it.

    Getting rid of Offside would hopefully have the same effect as legalizing the forward pass, or the 2 line pass. However, with the existence of the Betman point in the standings, coaches would just be forced to have more conservative systems to avoid giving up the break-away against. We saw how quickly they adapted to 3 on 3 overtime.
    Additionally, no offside means that when there is a tire-fire in your end, you will never get to change until the goalie stops the puck and holds it, because the offensive team would never need to clear the zone. This makes good teams who cycle the puck that much better, and makes teams who rely on a speedy transition game worse. It becomes like Italian soccer, both teams are defensively scared of giving up the break-away, and the only way they move the ball up the field is launching it down the field for the one striker to run to it, and try to maintain possession until his team mates catch up. In this situation, the optimal play is to knock the ball out of bounds off of a defender. This isn’t an option in hockey. Also, the goalie will just play the puck right down the ice, no worries about icing because he has got 2 team mates standing below the redline in the offensive zone.
    Instead of allowing for a more back and forth, entertaining game, no offside breaks the transition game.
    Maybe you’d have to institute a tag up rule, like delayed offside only you can enter back in the zone before the puck does.
    I don’t know, I’m pretty sure scrapping offside breaks the game, but the current implementation isn’t great.
    Not to mention, no way other leagues and international competitions lose the offside rule, so the NHL would end up looking more like a gimmick league, like arena football

  112. Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons says:

    kinger_OIL,

    …or it could slow the game down to a soccer-paced style of keep away. once the zone is gained the blue line dictates a lot of how aggressive a defense can be and how creative forwards need to be in tight quarters. without the blue line the offense would always have an option to dump it back and re-position, a less engaging brand of hockey.

    maybe there’s something that can be done about off-sides when gaining the zone. it is a damn shame how often a scoring opportunity gets erased by a split-second misstep.

  113. JDï™ says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: So what do we call that move where McDavid mails it to future McDavid at full stride on the other side of the defenseman?

    Freedom 97. It’s a bit dated though.

    He could also be Neo (although he’s more like Agent Smith), but again a little dated.

  114. Ducey says:

    marchmentsknee:
    dangilitis,

    Your personal comments on Yak are dead on. He’s 22 freaking years old and under a good contract.

    If you are in your 4th year in the league, supposedly an offensive player, and are not scoring your age, expect some turbulence.

  115. ashley says:

    The commentary here today on Yak is much better than yesterday’s thread. I agree with the common sentiment. He’s a young player still figuring things out with limited access to quality linemates and ice time. So it takes even longer.

    His present value is poor, but there is enormous upside with Yak, and if a trade does not reflect at least some of this upside, then there is no reason to make a trade. Fortunately, he is under a reasonable contract even for his present value so he is not harming the team in any way on the roster. For example, dumping Yak does not suddenly give us dollars to sign Stamkos.

    I have to admit, my opinion of him has dipped. I am not a fan of players who request trades. I find it selfish and unprofessional. I can understand his frustrations, but when you have a problem, blaming the world and asking the world to solve it for you does not generally bring happiness and success like finding an answer from within does.

  116. delooper says:

    ashley:
    I have to admit, my opinion of him has dipped.I am not a fan of players who request trades.I find it selfish and unprofessional.I can understand his frustrations, but when you have a problem, blaming the world and asking the world to solve it for you does not generally bring happiness and success like finding an answer from within does.

    The trade request does start to confirm the suggestion of McLellan that Yakupov isn’t particularly willing to look inward when there is a problem. In his interviews he seems unwilling to admit to much. I hope he turns it around on the Oilers.

  117. season not played says:

    I understand Chiarelis logic in the Griffen Reinhart trade, I mean whose kidding who, at the very least this should have been a right shot player and I always thought Reinhart was taken much higher than he should have been in that draft but they wanted a D a little further along in his development. Fine. So I don’t have a huge problem with the asset but just to torture myself I was checking out some of the guys taken at 16 or after, oh boy. Kyle Conner is putting up huge numbers in his first year of college and the big goalie Samsonov looks like he could be a couple of years away from pushing Talbot. Handful of other guys would be pretty nice to have in the system as well.

    I’m sure I don’t have to point out to this crowd that this could end up being a pretty ugly trade.

  118. Bruce McCurdy says:

    G Money:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    Bear in mind that the definition of SC and HDSC per war on ice is purely location based.Ebs shot as I recall was from the middle-ish of the circle, which WOI considers medium danger.That would be why it wouldn’t have registered.

    WOI (as with all automated systems, including mine) cannot account for things like open nets, which is really what made Eberle’s chance a high danger chance.

    As I’m sure you’re “mildly aware” LOL, the only system that will account for it is the CoH manual scoring chance assessment, which is why, as maligned as it often is (mostly because of Staples’ unfortunately poor grasp of basic statistics), I ascribe lots of value to it, and always look at that data in conjunction with the automated data.

    Thanks G (& Padre too), yes you’re right, Eberle was in a spot where I’d only expect him to bury that shot maybe 90% of the time.

    To me any system that doesn’t score that as a Grade A+ (= Highest Danger) chance is flawed. As must be the case with an automated system, or even a well-maintained manual one for that matter, they can’t help but be flawed models. Although I do trust the latter to be closer to the meat as it were.

    Like you I value both methods, and CoH readers will know that I often reference David’s counts in my player grade comments. It’s not an exact science, there are lots of grey area and lots of “0.5” type contributions, but I would maintain there are many fewer false-positives players identified by his count that one would find from straight on-ice metrics. And registering chances by location similarly produces false positives — for example, a guy in a high danger location forced to his backhand & gets weak shot off against pressure, the goalie laying in wait to gobble it up. So it has to pass the eye test as well as some more arbitrary tests like shot location and type plus a few other considerations. e,g, does the shot have to be on net before the shooter should be credited with a chance? There’s no perfect system.

  119. rickithebear says:

    leadfarmer: Why do you spew out meaningless stats every other day then?

    Meaningless?

    Explain!

  120. Professor Q says:

    The Overrated NHLer was ranked today.

    Many commentators seemingly know nothing about Edmonton.

    Yak and Nuge were said by many to be ‘overrated’…Nuge because he “can’t play defence” most of the time.

    Sigh. Everyone hates Edmonton. No respect, Jabberjaw.

  121. Bruce McCurdy says:

    knighttown: And they’ve sort of painted themselves into a corner now. There’s so little offense that every goal is crucial and could cost a team a win, a playoff spot, a playoff round or even a Stanley.
    It’s that vicious cycle of fewer goals leads to every goal being more important which leads to:
    1. coaches designing game plans that obsess on preventing goals
    2. GMs constructing rosters of players who will obsess on preventing goals
    3. players being selected because of their obsession with preventing goals
    4. the league, under intense media scrutiny to not award a franchise-altering goal that isn’t deserved, creates rules and guidance to make sure they get the call right.
    5. the officials, all-to-aware they are one undeserved goal away from losing their jobs, avoid putting themselves in position to be the goat
    Until the equation is changed all five interested parties (players, coaches, league, officials and managers) will continue to cheat for defense.
    Think that’s over-the-top?

    No I don’t, though I can cite you a Very recent example of an official who violated principle #5.

    But you are right about cheating for defence, and now the league is in on it more than ever, as their coach’s challenge cancels many more goals than it allows (It was +3/-52 when I wrote this a fortnight ago. That’s a 1% suppression in scoring right there.

    Of course that pales in comparison to the 50% increase in game value for regulation ties, which remains the bane of the sport and a contributing if not the root cause to all of your list above. In the long haul they’ve managed to turn neutral into a net positive, meaning a guy that can go out there and kill time with nobody scoring for either team has value. To me that has infected the game at the cellular level.

    To expand that analogy, imagine a physics where neutrons weren’t neutral but had a tiny positive charge. What’s that, you can’t imagine? No I can’t either.

  122. rickithebear says:

    Lead farmer for you:

    Yakupov:
    12-13: 48gm 81 SH 1.69 SH/gm 21.0 shooting % 81 X .21 = 17G
    13-14: 63GM 122 SH 1.94 SH/gm 9.0 shooting % 122 X .09 = 11G
    14-15: 81gm 191 Sh 2.36 SH/gm 7.3% shooting % 191 x .073 = 11G
    15-16: 57gm 124 SH 2.18 SH/gm 5.6 Shooting % 124 x .056 = 7G

    he shoots his career average last 2 years:
    14-15 191 X .095 = 18G
    15-16 124 X .095 = 12G
    would be .217 GPG
    but his targeting Sucks!

    Kruger:
    Yakupov .354 GPG
    Team #7 Power play opportunities
    Team 20.1% PP #7 PP

    Eakins:
    Yakupov .153 GPG
    Team #16 power play opportunities
    Team 16.0% PP #23 pace

    Nelson:
    Yakupov post all-star break .290 GPG
    Team 22.1% PP #5 pace

    TMAC:
    Yakupov .123 GPG
    Team #21 power play opportunities.
    Team 17 % PP #20 pace

    We see a clear variance in PP performance and Power play opportunities.

    I am not a fan of Tmac’s

    1. Offensive attack (dump and chase) generates 26% less shots and allows D to set up box protection. Were 85% of goals are scored from. reduces D pressure and leads to less Power plays.

    2. PP systems get below average results for talent available. All signs of the same square peg round hole coaching we hate!

    His results are similar to Eakins.

  123. HugThePost says:

    Well, I for one am relieved the season is finally going to end.

    frankly I’m a little tired of this shitshow of an organization and at times this year wish it would just go away.

    So so embarrassing that they are closing Northlands with a 10th straight year of being pretty well a league punching bag with really no tangible end in sight.

    Thanks for another great season of wonderful writing LT, this place is pretty well the only thing associated with the Oilers that I still enjoy.

  124. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Btw, I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge our gracious host’s brief broadside at the “brain trust” in Sunday morning’s post. Namely:

    Dear NHL: You are losing your public because your judgements are random, unfair and inexplicable. What a way to run a railroad.

    Well chosen words that are poetry in the sense that they cut to the quick in 22 words. Might take me 2200, even as the conclusions wouldn’t be dissimilar.

    Of course that was a couple days back, just after the Oilers had lost a one-goal game to a California team after being victimized by a random, unfair, inexplicable call. Unlike, say, today.

  125. speeds says:

    Interesting thought #17 from Friedman

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-adam-oates-responds-critics/

    “17. Quote of week came from an exec who heard Arizona GM Don Maloney told fans he would not trade Oliver Ekman-Larsson for the right to draft Auston Matthews. “Okay, but would he trade Ekman-Larsson, Domi and first for Matthews?” I thought that was pretty funny. The problem with trading him, is that not only do you have a mammoth-sized hole on your blue line, but good luck at replacing it for $5.5M over the next three years. It’s one of the NHL’s best-value contracts. “

  126. Little Poteet says:

    speeds,

    I like the thought about the difficulty in replacing OEL, especially with his contract, and I apply that to Taylor Hall. Sure you can trade him, but good luck replacing what he brings for $6M for the next 4 years

  127. Ducey says:

    Apparently Yakupov’s middle name is Railovich. I did not know that.

    Nail Rail. Given the trade request, that might be appropriate.

    Anyway, I have been looking at his time in junior to convince myself there is some hope for the guy.

    In his last year in Sarnia he scored 31-38-69 in 42 games played. Pretty swell.

    12 of those goals scored were on the PP. So 19 ES goals.

    A whopping 29 of his points were scored in 13 September games. After January 1 he scored only 16 points in 16 games. He was -6 in that part of the season. In the playoffs he was -7, with 5 points in 6 games. No wonder the scouts had some concerns. Injury perhaps impacted his pp/g.

    The year before in his 17 year old season he put up 101 points, with 49 goals. 16 PP goals. Again he destroyed September (25 points in 13 games), although he kept his production up for much of the year.

    I looked at his Youtube highlights from junior to see how he scored. There were a fair number of breakaways (where he was behind the defense), lots of open looks, some one timers from the right circle and a move he liked to make coming across the high slot and waiting until the goalie fell down.

    I didn’t see many 1 on 1 moves or him blasting past anyone. I didn’t see much of him dealing with tight checking. I looked at Hall’s highlights packs. He looked like he does now – blasting down the left side, flying into the boards, pin balling off checkers. Lots of fancy 1 on 1’s in traffic.

    Of course that’s only highlights. It only gives you a 3 minute glimpse of goals.

    I guess I come away thinking that Yak has a game that would not translate well to the NHL. He would not get those open looks in the tight checking, and he has never shown the ability to beat people to get them. He wouldn’t be able to cheat for offense.

    I have liked his game recently, but there is still little production.

    Result: I can’t seem to convince myself there is a viable NHL scorer there.

  128. jonrmcleod says:

    speeds,

    I heard from someone that Stauffer mentioned that Maloney’s job could be in peril.

  129. russ99 says:

    rickithebear:
    Lead farmer for you:

    Yakupov:12-13: 48gm 81 SH 1.69 SH/gm 21.0 shooting % 81 X .21 = 17G13-14: 63GM 122 SH 1.94 SH/gm 9.0 shooting % 122 X .09 = 11G14-15: 81gm 191 Sh 2.36 SH/gm 7.3% shooting % 191 x .073 = 11G15-16: 57gm 124 SH 2.18 SH/gm 5.6 Shooting % 124 x .056 = 7G

    he shoots his career average last 2 years:14-15 191 X .095 = 18G15-16 124 X .095 = 12Gwould be .217 GPG
    but his targeting Sucks!

    Kruger:
    Yakupov.354 GPG
    Team#7 Power play opportunitiesTeam 20.1% PP #7 PP

    Eakins:
    Yakupov.153 GPG
    Team#16 power play opportunitiesTeam 16.0% PP #23 pace

    Nelson:Yakupov post all-star break .290 GPGTeam 22.1% PP #5 pace

    TMAC:Yakupov.123 GPG
    Team#21 power play opportunities.Team 17 % PP #20 pace

    We see a clear variance in PP performance and Power play opportunities.

    I am not a fan of Tmac’s

    1. Offensive attack (dump and chase) generates 26% less shots and allows D to set up box protection. Were 85% of goals are scored from. reduces D pressure and leads to less Power plays.

    2. PP systems get below average results for talent available. All signs of the same square peg round hole coaching we hate!

    His results are similar to Eakins.

    This is probably the most evil Oiler conspiracy theory ever, but what the heck, been too many long tough seasons:

    Do you think MacTavish had any say on McLellan’s hiring?

  130. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Ducey: Apparently Yakupov’s middle name is Railovich. I did not know that.

    Nail Son Of Rail.

    His dad’s name is indeed Rail Yakupov.

  131. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Ducey,

    The Oilers failed Yak by not scheduling more games in September.

  132. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Btw a pal of mine got a fantastic pic of Yak the Elder at the very pinnacle of Nail’s time here — the hat trick that closed out his freshman season and ultimately won him the rookie scoring race.

    But you have to go here to see it. It’s directly below the feature picture at the top of the post, which is also a fun one for Yak fans.

    On that night I would never ever have guessed where his career would be in three years. Seemed to be trending straight north at that moment.

    Or Schultz for that matter, co-featured in the headline even as the grade comment about him is decidedly more double-edged. (Note also: Yakupov’s name in the grades for relevance to this comments section:)

    The two-headed failure of the Class of 2012 has been a colossal setback.

  133. Jordan says:

    Bruce McCurdy:

    On that night I would never ever have guessed where his career would be in three years. Seemed to be trending straight north at that moment.

    So did the Oilers!

    Good thing they fired Krugger and brought in Eakins when they did. Otherwise we never would have won the Oilers 6th Stanley Cup at Rexall before they moved over to Rogers.

    BOTB Forever!

  134. LMHF#1 says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Btw a pal of mine got a fantastic pic of Yak the Elder at the very pinnacle of Nail’s time here — the hat trick that closed out his freshman season and ultimately won him the rookie scoring race.

    If you watch the highlights, you can see exactly where he needs to play on the powerplay (and some 5-on-5 for that matter). It’s so easy to see and yet only Krueger did it.

  135. frjohnk says:

    Bruce McCurdy: The two-headed failure of the Class of 2012 has been a colossal setback.

    yup.

    I remember in Jan 2013, someone on TSN, it might have been Dreger, saying that the Oilers had gotten 2 1st overalls in 2012 ( Yak and Schultz) and it would fast track the rebuild.

    Fast forward to around the draft of 2016, we will have a 3rd rounder and maybe a late 1st rounder (probably reaching here) to show for those highly rated assets from just 4 years ago.

  136. Woodguy says:

    GMB3:
    Woodguy,

    Hey WG, what do you mean by “runs unicorns”?

    First 3 lines have scoring talent on them.

    ANA last game:

    McGinn-Getzlaf-Pirri
    Ritchie – Rakell – Perry
    Cogliano – Kesler – Silfverberg
    Garbutt – Thompson – Stewart

    Chris Stewart on the 4th line could argue scoring on 4 lines…..

  137. John Chambers says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Summer 2012 was a great one for Tambellini. He didn’t survive to finish the lockout-shortened season.

    Hall and Eberle both signed their contracts, Hemsky had just been bridged, Doobie signed, and the re-build proclaimed behind us.

    The failure at that point was surrounding the young core with veterans. Antoine Vermette was traded from Clb to Phx for nothing, but instead we signed Belanger, and went into the next season with Ryan Whitney and Nick Schultz as our anchors on defense.

    Had we leveraged Gagners big offensive year to grab a defender to push Schultz down the depth chart, back filled with a real centre with hair on his ass, and continued with Kruger’s Sunny Ways coaching we’d have potentially seen the playoffs already.

  138. Centre of attention says:

    Stauffer dropped Vatanens name like 10 times on his show. He has been doing it quite awhile now.

  139. Little Poteet says:

    A friend of mine is from Prince Albert SK, where Josh Manson is from, played minor hockey with him and was looking at videos of him on hockeyfights.com . There were some mentions of him a bit back because he shows very well on Woodguy’s RH dman compilation (second only to PK Subban on overall rating). He’s also a tough SOB. Does he look so good because he’s playing with Lindholm? Because small sample size? He’ll be 24 to start next season, has 2 more years and then is RFA after his contract (GeneralFanager).
    I know everyone thinks vatanen is available because he is going to get paid, but could you get Manson out of Anaheim? If Yak fits in Anaheim, could a deal to get vatanen and manson from anaheim for Yak, Davidson/reinhart and draft picks work? We would probably have to add better forward quality. Anaheim desperately needs cheap forwards for next season. I doubt they re-up Horcoff, maybe we throw in Letestu with salary retained? Take back the money they retained on Maroon? Or is Manson really not going anywhere? Is he not worth it because he has played as many games as Davidson, (looks to be similar career-wise only he played NCAA) so small sample size?
    So much talk about finding the next Seth Jones/Ryan Suter. Manson doesn’t have the offense of those guys, but Sekera, Vatanen and Kbomb, (and some insist Nurse) should have enough offense to cover.
    Sorry if this has been talked about already and I missed it.

  140. dustrock says:

    http://nhlinjuryviz.blogspot.ca/

    If you’re not feeling nauseous yet, here’s a viz on the man games lost for the Oilers this year. Barf.

  141. wheatnoil says:

    Woodguy:
    I really don’t want the Oilers to trade Pouliot as he’s a value contract, but if the deal is Yak + Pou for Vantanen + Maroon (with 500k held), that’s pretty close to value I think and is a straight swap on $$$ (assuming Vatanen signs long term for $5MM or so)

    Fills a big need at 2RD and refills the LW depth for 2 years.

    I’d be ok with it if Chiarelli finished the trade after the playoffs.

    Add in the Nurse for Hamonic type deal and you’ve added Hamonic and Vatanan without touching Hall, Nuge or Ebs.

    Then you’ve got:
    Sekera – Hamonic
    Klefbom – Vatanan
    Davidson – Fayne
    Gryba
    1st call-ups – Oesterle & Reinhart

    Losing Pouliot sucks. I think he’s a value contract. As is Yak for that matter. However, you’ve fixed the defense without losing Hall, Nuge or Ebs. You can go forward where 5 of your top 6 are those three plus McDavid and Draisaitl.

    In a couple years, when McDavid needs his second contract, you cash in Ebs or Nuge, but by then you better have some prospects coming up to fill the gap… but that’s where you hope someone like Laine is ready to start producing.

  142. fifthcartel says:

    Woodguy,

    This is why I was astonished when I read Gregor’s GDB at Oilers Nation saying teams barely have two scoring lines and “expecting three seems like a losing proposition”.

    I feel it’s the exact opposite. If you have only 1-2 then your team is probably bad. I look at Anaheim/Washington/LAK/Chicago/Tampa Bay/Pittsburgh who all have 3 scoring lines arguably, which suggests most good teams have them.

  143. stephen sheps says:

    Ducey:
    Apparently Yakupov’s middle name is Railovich.I did not know that.

    His dad’s name is Rail. His middle name is consistent with Russian naming conventions.
    Courtesy of the internet:

    Patronymics are derived from a person’s father’s name. So Ivan Ivanovich is Ivan
    SonofIvan. His sister Nataliya would be Nataliya Ivanovna.
    This part is easy:
    -Male patronymics end in –ovich or –evich
    -Female patronymics end in –ovna or –evna
    Patronymics are generally used together with given names, especially in formal
    situations: “Ivan Ivanovich, do you want some tea?” But some Russians call each other
    by their patronymics, though usually only if they know each other well: “Ivanovich, want
    tea?”

    Edit: What Bruce McCurdy said

  144. Caramel Batman says:

    fifthcartel:
    Woodguy,

    This is why I was astonished when I read Gregor’s GDB at Oilers Nation saying teams barely have two scoring lines and “expecting three seems like a losing proposition”.

    I feel it’s the exact opposite. If you have only 1-2 then your team is probably bad. I look at Anaheim/Washington/LAK/Chicago/Tampa Bay/Pittsburgh who all have 3 scoring lines arguably, which suggests most good teams have them.

    Everything that comes out of Gregor’s mouth is wrong. Everything. The only difference between him and Spector is class. Gregor strikes me as a class act. A class act who loves violence and knows nothing about hockey, but a class act nonetheless.

  145. Klima's_Bucket says:

    What if someone from this site with the ability to put together a lowlight pack from the current season of all the junk calls, missed penalties, missed offsides, and so forth into a youtube news style video?
    Now I know the video would be extremely long, but if it was interjected with comedic statements about the league’s officiating I think it would be a real hit.
    It may even go viral as the kids say.
    As people are still lined up for season’s seats for a cursed team 10 years out of the playoffs.
    This would certainly get the league’s attention, cause a few laughs, (maybe some tears), and shed some light for others to see just how horrific the NHL has become.

    So, anyone here have the ability to put clips together and do a mock newscast?

    I’m too old for that shit. But I’d sure like to see it!

  146. Sugar Reijo says:

    jonrmcleod: Did you know Kirk Van Houten did a cover of the song?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fmj5TWxxog

    “Uh, can I have my shirts back at least?” 🙂

    Hallsy should start using that line on refs.

  147. dangilitis says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/radio/edmonton-1260/lebrun-oilers-should-avoid-trading-from-a-point-of-weakness-1.460649

    Sorry if someone has mentioned it, but its funny how the verbal is that Schultz is showing very well in Pittsburgh. I haven’t watched him play, but all I can see is:

    3 pts/11 games (not far off his pace as an Oiler this season)
    Average TOI/G of 14:24, down from 19-22 minutes per game as an Oiler
    +5 and a Corsi of 51.6%. Looks great, relative to his -11 and 49% as an Oiler in 2015-16. However, his Penguins CorsiRel is -11.2% (compared to 0.6% prior to the trade), despite a higher % of offensive zone starts. Oh ya, and for good measure he’s riding a PDO of 105%

    So, basically, he’s getting played like a 3rd liner with some PP bonus time, and despite the 3rd line role with 54% offensive zone starts, the Penguins are still better off without him on the ice. His point production is similar despite the high PDO so far. Small sample, but I see nothing here to suggest he’s been any better in PIT than in EDM. However, I am glad to let this media narrative stay the course. Maybe it gets us more value in a Yak trade.

  148. wheatnoil says:

    dangilitis:
    http://www.tsn.ca/radio/edmonton-1260/lebrun-oilers-should-avoid-trading-from-a-point-of-weakness-1.460649

    Sorry if someone has mentioned it, but its funny how the verbal is that Schultz is showing very well in Pittsburgh. I haven’t watched him play, but all I can see is:

    3 pts/11 games (not far off his pace as an Oiler this season)
    Average TOI/G of 14:24, down from 19-22 minutes per game as an Oiler
    +5 and a Corsi of 51.6%. Looks great, relative to his -11 and 49% as an Oiler in 2015-16. However, his Penguins CorsiRel is -11.2% (compared to 0.6% prior to the trade), despite a higher % of offensive zone starts. Oh ya, and for good measure he’s riding a PDO of 105%

    So, basically, he’s getting played like a 3rd liner with some PP bonus time, and despite the 3rd line role with 54% offensive zone starts, the Penguins are still better off without him on the ice. His point production is similar despite the high PDO so far. Small sample, but I see nothing here to suggest he’s been any better in PIT than in EDM. However, I am glad to let this media narrative stay the course. Maybe it gets us more value in a Yak trade.

    I wish Schultz well, but this is a good post. Just wait till the Pens win the Cup. Imagine the verbal!

  149. vinotintazo says:

    fifthcartel: Anaheim/Washington/LAK/Chicago/Tampa Bay/Pittsburgh

    You have to agree that the one common thing on those teams is that they all have great Defensemen.

    I’d argue what Gregor is saying is that 3 scoring lines are nice, but we should first improve the defense, even if we have to give up on a 3rd scoring line.

  150. John Chambers says:

    wheatnoil: Add in the Nurse for Hamonic type deal and you’ve added Hamonic and Vatanan without touching Hall, Nuge or Ebs.

    Then you’ve got:
    Sekera – Hamonic
    Klefbom – Vatanan
    Davidson – Fayne
    Gryba
    1st call-ups – Oesterle & Reinhart

    Losing Pouliot sucks. I think he’s a value contract. As is Yak for that matter. However, you’ve fixed the defense without losing Hall, Nuge or Ebs. You can go forward where 5 of your top 6 are those three plus McDavid and Draisaitl.

    In a couple years, when McDavid needs his second contract, you cash in Ebs or Nuge, but by then you better have some prospects coming up to fill the gap… but that’s where you hope someone like Laine is ready to start producing.

    We would need to protect 5 (6 including Reinhart) Dmen in this scenario for the expansion draft.

    As a result we can probably only add one vet D this summer unless we’re trading an existing vet D like Sekara or trading up from Davidson.

    It’s a very unenviable situation for Chiarelli.

  151. kinger_OIL says:

    Caramel Batman: Everything that comes out of Gregor’s mouth is wrong.Everything.The only difference between him and Spector is class.Gregor strikes me as a class act.A class act who loves violence and knows nothing about hockey, but a class act nonetheless.

    – Except that we are 6th worst for Goals scored. Some might “think” we have the potential for 3 scoring lines. If we did have 3 scoring lines, we wouldn’t be bottom quartile in scoring

    – This year, or for the last 5 years + actually, we have not been a good team offensively, despite how much some might like our “talent”. We let in a lot of goals, and don’t score much: Truth

    – Gregor is right: we did not have 2 scoring lines this year. You are not correct

  152. The Hermit says:

    Bruce McCurdy: To expand that analogy, imagine a physics where neutrons weren’t neutral but had a tiny positive charge. What’s that, you can’t imagine? No I can’t either.

    A Neutron is comprised of a proton and a electron. Protons and neutrons are made up of quarks. Electrons are elementary particles.

    Why do protons in atoms stay together as you would figure that the positive charges would repel each other.

    Thats where the strong nuclear force comes in. It is the most powerful known attractive force but only at extremely short distances. This force comes from the quarks which make up the protons and neutrons.

    There are deeper forces at work 🙂

  153. Caramel Batman says:

    kinger_OIL: – Except that we are 6th worst for Goals scored.Some might “think” we have the potential for 3 scoring lines. If we did have 3 scoring lines, we wouldn’t be bottom quartile in scoring

    – This year, or for the last 5 years + actually, we have not been a good team offensively, despite how much some might like our “talent”.We let in a lot of goals, and don’t score much: Truth

    – Gregor is right: we did not have 2 scoring lines this year.You are not correct

    That’s not what Gregor was saying. Gregor believes in the Burkian nonsense of top six and bottom six as an ideal you should strive for, rather than a problem to be dealt with.

  154. wheatnoil says:

    John Chambers: We would need to protect 5 (6 including Reinhart) Dmen in this scenario for the expansion draft.

    As a result we can probably only add one vet D this summer unless we’re trading an existing vet D like Sekara or trading up from Davidson.

    It’s a very unenviable situation for Chiarelli.

    Every team is going to lose a good player in this expansion draft. That’s the point of the league setting it up the way they have. You can’t tank a year for fear of the expansion draft taking one of your mid-range players.

    In the scenario I set up (and IF the rules continue as have been initially proposed), I’d suggest protecting 8 players (instead of 7+3). McDavid is only two years and appears to be exempt and Sekera must be protected because he has an NMC (though both need to be clarified). Protect, Drai, Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Sekera, Hamonic, Klefbom, Vatanan.

    You likely lose Davidson, which is a damn shame. Maybe Maroon has a big year on McDavid’s wing and Vegas jumps at him. Maybe Vegas likes Reinhart’s upside and chooses him instead.

    However, in a scenario where you only protect 8 or 10 of your best players, every team will lose a good player except for the really bad teams. That’s a risk I think this team needs to accept.

  155. Ducey says:

    dangilitis:
    http://www.tsn.ca/radio/edmonton-1260/lebrun-oilers-should-avoid-trading-from-a-point-of-weakness-1.460649

    Sorry if someone has mentioned it, but its funny how the verbal is that Schultz is showing very well in Pittsburgh. I haven’t watched him play, but all I can see is:

    3 pts/11 games (not far off his pace as an Oiler this season)
    Average TOI/G of 14:24, down from 19-22 minutes per game as an Oiler
    +5 and a Corsi of 51.6%. Looks great, relative to his -11 and 49% as an Oiler in 2015-16. However, his Penguins CorsiRel is -11.2% (compared to 0.6% prior to the trade), despite a higher % of offensive zone starts. Oh ya, and for good measure he’s riding a PDO of 105%

    So, basically, he’s getting played like a 3rd liner with some PP bonus time, and despite the 3rd line role with 54% offensive zone starts, the Penguins are still better off without him on the ice. His point production is similar despite the high PDO so far. Small sample, but I see nothing here to suggest he’s been any better in PIT than in EDM. However, I am glad to let this media narrative stay the course. Maybe it gets us more value in a Yak trade.

    I watched him a little last week in a game vs DET. PIT was up by three in the third, and then by four. Schultz barely touched the ice 5 x 5 in the bit I watched. On the PP he was the left sided D man with Letang on the right.

    Letang plays 30 min a night (last game he played 31:45!).

    It would appear that Schultz hasn’t done anything to replace any of Letangs minutes.

    Can’t see how they qualify him…

  156. voxwah says:

    In the interview Yak reminds me of Cogliano when he was an Oiler. Cogs was 100% determined that he was a top 6 offensive player and was stubborn on that his whole time as an Oiler. As soon as he was traded to the Ducks he quickly realised that he wasn’t and needed to modify his game and his attitude so that he could be the most valuable player he could to his team.

    Yak has lots of offensive skills but his stubborness of thinking he is an offensive superstar have clouded his judgement and really hurt his developemnt.

    If he would have spent the last 4 years working on his game in all areas he would be 10 times the player he is now. He won’t improve until he figures this out.

    He is no better now then he was 4 years ago and in many ways he’s worse.

    Sure the Oilers haven’t put him in the best spots the whole time, but he hasn’t done himself any favors along the way with the constant pouting whenever he isn’t in the top 6 playing with the best players. You can just see his agent feeding him with garbage thoughts the whole time of how he should be in the top 6 all the time and that he’s getting mistreated.

    Larionov should have simply told him the whole time “Work harder, get better and force the team to give you more and more ice time with your results”.

    I do really like Yak and I hope he figures it out, and does well for his new team.

    N64

  157. commonfan14 says:

    Little Poteet: However, with the existence of the Betman point in the standings, coaches would just be forced to have more conservative systems to avoid giving up the break-away against.

    I’m totally on board with changing the points system as well, but I don’t agree with this point because I don’t see how getting rid of offsides would significantly change how teams defend against break-aways. Breakaways can already happen with the current rules, and I don’t buy the idea that the guy being able to be a little bit deeper before he receives the pass is going to require a whole new scheme to defend against them.

    Little Poteet: Additionally, no offside means that when there is a tire-fire in your end, you will never get to change until the goalie stops the puck and holds it, because the offensive team would never need to clear the zone. This makes good teams who cycle the puck that much better, and makes teams who rely on a speedy transition game worse.

    When the defending team is hemmed in, just barely getting the puck over the blue line generally seems to only provide a few seconds of relief before they’re hemmed in again. True relief usually comes from either a deep clear that has the right weight to avoid icing, or from getting possession and carrying the puck out.

    Those would both still work without the blue lines – although clearings would certainly become tougher if teams started keeping one defender back a bit while their mates are down low, who can then immediately fire the puck back to them if they can knock down a clearing attempt.

    Sounds fun to me.

    Little Poteet: Also, the goalie will just play the puck right down the ice, no worries about icing because he has got 2 team mates standing below the redline in the offensive zone.

    I doubt it. If you don’t have guys hanging out at the offensive blue line while the puck is in their end now, I don’t think you’d see anyone hanging around lower than that once the blue line is gone. And if they did for some reason, then it’s a powerplay for the other team.

    Again, sounds fun.

    Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons: without the blue line the offense would always have an option to dump it back and re-position, a less engaging brand of hockey.

    They would be able to pass back and re-position, but the fact that nobody has to clear means they can just fire it right back down low.

    It’s all fun. We know this from video games.

    Does anyone not turn the offsides off if given the option?

  158. Truth says:

    Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey 2m2 minutes ago
    LeBrun/Yakupov: “The #Oilers are ready to bring this guy back to camp next fall, unless someone steps up in June w/ a quality offer…” 1/2

    Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey 2m2 minutes ago
    LeBrun/Yakupov: “… and that means a young player that can play in their NHL lineup.” #Oilers 2/2

    Good to see they’re taking the right approach. The vultures have been circling around the Oilers for the whole year. They cannot afford to screw up by trading just for the sake of trading. Need full value.

  159. Quinlan says:

    *** SPAM ***

    In the wake of his recent trade request, I take a look at Nail Yakupov’s time as an Oiler and offer my thoughts.

    The Kid from Nizhnekamsk

    *** END SPAM ***

    Thanks again, LT!

  160. Ducey says:

    Truth:
    Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey2m2 minutes ago
    LeBrun/Yakupov: “The #Oilers are ready to bring this guy back to camp next fall, unless someone steps up in June w/ a quality offer…” 1/2

    Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey2m2 minutes ago
    LeBrun/Yakupov: “… and that means a young player that can play in their NHL lineup.” #Oilers 2/2

    Good to see they’re taking the right approach. The vultures have been circling around the Oilers for the whole year.They cannot afford to screw up by trading just for the sake of trading.Need full value.

    Sounds good.

    They might be bluffing, but certainly some more games like yesterday would help the Oilers picture him with Leon and Hall.

    Chia might picture:

    Maroon – McD – Ebs
    Hall – Leon – Nail Rail
    Pou – Nuge – Kassian/ new guy

  161. Caramel Batman says:

    You guys are delusional on the offside thing. The offsides rule makes the game more dynamic not less (as it does in soccer where people who know nothing of the game often argue that it will increase scoring).

    Hockey without offsides would be ping-pong, it would totally neutralize the offense you could get from the defense, make pressuring the other team even more difficult than it already is

  162. Woodguy says:

    fifthcartel:
    Woodguy,

    This is why I was astonished when I read Gregor’s GDB at Oilers Nation saying teams barely have two scoring lines and “expecting three seems like a losing proposition”.

    I feel it’s the exact opposite. If you have only 1-2 then your team is probably bad. I look at Anaheim/Washington/LAK/Chicago/Tampa Bay/Pittsburgh who all have 3 scoring lines arguably, which suggests most good teams have them.

    I agree with you 100%.

    The final 4 teams last year all ran 3 scoring lines.

    It’s how you win in today’s NHL

  163. Woodguy says:

    Caramel Batman: That’s not what Gregor was saying.Gregor believes in the Burkian nonsense of top six and bottom six as an ideal you should strive for, rather than a problem to be dealt with.

    To defend Gregor here, he asked McLellan about it and McLellan said there wasn’t enough TOI to go around.

    That’s where I agree disagree with McLellan.

    Then again, if I had Hall on one line and McDavid on another I’d want those players to be close to 20 min / gm each.

  164. v4ance says:

    dangilitis:
    http://www.tsn.ca/radio/edmonton-1260/lebrun-oilers-should-avoid-trading-from-a-point-of-weakness-1.460649

    Paraphrased LeBrun:
    “(Head Coach Mike) Sullivan has taken this roster and maximized it for what it is. That’s what really your role should be as a coach. Not try to make a team be something they’re not but rather play to their strength. … This team now is playing with incredible speed and counter attack. They’re always on the go. They have a lot of money tied up in Crosby, Malkin Letang, Kessel. Use those weapons.

    They had the wrong approach under Mike Johnson. I understood where he came from. He looked at his blueline corps and was unsure of it. Decided to make them not a risky team. I understand that philosophy but I think it’s counterintuitive when your money’s spent on offence. Use that. Go for it. I think that’s what Sullivan’s done there with Kessel and those guys in Pittsburgh.”

    I think this is where I would be critical of McLellan. I just feel like he hasn’t maximized the talent on this team.

  165. Bruce McCurdy says:

    The Hermit: A Neutron is comprised of a proton and a electron. Protons and neutrons are made up of quarks. Electrons are elementary particles.

    That’s not quite how I understand it, but the point was it’s dangerous to fuck around with fundamental principles.

  166. highgloveside says:

    Woodguy: I’d love Tanev.

    I rate him over Hamonic and Demers.

    Taven > Demers > Hamonic imo

    Agree 100% on Tanev and I could easily see Benning being stupid enough to trade him. I would take Hamonic before Demers if you couldn’t get Tanev, he is just a more solid defensively, the hope would be 2 of those 3 in any combination. Tanev and Demers, IMO would be the best two to add.

    I bet Benning would take Yak and Davidson for Tanev, he seems to be a guy who thinks they can turn players around, Van needs wingers desperately and probably think Yak can replace Vbrata.

  167. Oilspill says:

    It will be Fayne or Gryba not both. Davidson has has a history of knee injuries so that raises concerns. Klefbom is in real trouble with that staff infection not healing properly. Supposedly the skin on his ankle is paper thin.

    wheatnoil: Add in the Nurse for Hamonic type deal and you’ve added Hamonic and Vatanan without touching Hall, Nuge or Ebs.

    Then you’ve got:
    Sekera – Hamonic
    Klefbom – Vatanan
    Davidson – Fayne
    Gryba
    1st call-ups – Oesterle & Reinhart

    Losing Pouliot sucks. I think he’s a value contract. As is Yak for that matter. However, you’ve fixed the defense without losing Hall, Nuge or Ebs. You can go forward where 5 of your top 6 are those three plus McDavid and Draisaitl.

    In a couple years, when McDavid needs his second contract, you cash in Ebs or Nuge, but by then you better have some prospects coming up to fill the gap… but that’s where you hope someone like Laine is ready to start producing.

  168. NorthernOil says:

    The expansion draft wouldn’t occur until summer of 2017 not this summer right? So why do people think we’d have to protect ference? If not bought out, which might not be able to happen due to him being on LTIR, his contact expires that summer. Surely the nhl wouldn’t make teams protect nhl contracts with a NMC that recently expired.

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