BRICK BY BRICK

The Edmonton Oilers under Peter Chiarelli have changed a lot in (about) 12 months. Question: How much change will we see this summer? Let’s start with the projected 50-man list.

50-MAN LIST (PROJECTED) (37)

  1. G Cam Talbot. No. 1 next season.
  2. G Laurent Brossoit. Projects as NHL backup/AHL starter, signed a two-year deal.
  3. G Eetu Laurikainen, AHL backup, he is signed for next year.
  4. D Oscar Klefbom, likely top pairing, needs to stay healthy.
  5. D Andrej Sekera, top 4D, important part of the team.
  6. D Brandon Davidson, top 6D, maybe even top 4D if he continues on current track.
  7. D Mark Fayne, I question Oilers ability to find three better RH this summer.
  8. D Darnell Nurse, probably top 6D next season.
  9. D Eric Gryba, UFA. I believe he will sign with the Oilers.
  10. D Griffin Reinhart, may spend another year in the minors. Could be dealt.
  11. D Andrew Ference, they will buy him out (if able). LTIR is my guess.
  12. D Jordan Oesterle, AHL D, NHL time. RFA. Suspect he signs.
  13. D Joey Laleggia, AHL D matriculating.
  14. D Dillon Simpson, AHL D, matriculating.
  15. D Ben Betker, AHL D, matriculating.
  16. C Connor McDavid, Giant.
  17. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, quality NHL center.
  18. C Leon Draisaitl, emerging NHL talent.
  19. C Mark Letestu, checking NHL C.
  20. C Anton Lander, they may find a buyer.
  21. C Jujhar Khaira, he is a good bet to make the roster in the fall.
  22. C Bogdan Yakimov, a chance he comes back. Has NHL tools, speed concern.
  23. C Kyle Platzer, AHL C matriculating.
  24. L Taylor Hall, impact NHL player.
  25. L Benoit Pouliot, underrated by many. Trade rumors.
  26. L Patrick Maroon, big winger has been exceptional since arrival.
  27. L Lauri Korpikoski, Oilers may keep him until the end of his contract.
  28. L Matt Hendricks, checking NHL W.
  29. L Jere Sallinen, you can never have too many Finns.
  30. L Mitch Moroz, AHL winger/enforcer, matriculating.
  31. L Braden Christoffer, rugged winger, matriculating.
  32. R Jordan Eberle, scoring winger and a big part of the cluster.
  33. R Nail Yakupov, gone baby, gone.
  34. R Zack Kassian, probably part of the future in a top 9F role. RFA.
  35. R Iiro Pakarinen, suspect he will push for a spot next fall. RFA
  36. R Anton Slepyshev, talented winger should push for NHL time.
  37. R Greg Chase, minor league winger, matriculating.

The more I look at this roster, the more I would like to see Peter Chiarelli solve things without buggering up the forwards. What if he makes moves that add assets without sending them away?

CHIARELLI’S SUMMER LIST

  1. Top-pairing D to partner with Klefbom (Jason Demers)
  2. Scoring winger in the draft (Matthews, Laine, Puljujarvi, Tkachuk)
  3. Scoring winger via free agency to replace Nail (Lee Stempniak)
  4. Backup goalie (could also be a G who slots below Brossoit but has NHL experience)
  5. Re-stock the system (major needs in goal, scoring forwards)

That is a much smaller list than the last one, and it means flushing fewer contracts.

POSSIBLE ROSTER

  • Patrick Maroon—Connor McDavid—Jordan Eberle
  • Taylor Hall—Leon Draisaitl—Patrik Laine
  • Benoit Pouliot—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Lee Stempniak
  • Matt Hendricks—Mark Letestu—Iiro Pakarinen
  • Oscar Klefbom—Jason Demers
  • Andrej Sekera—Mark Fayne
  • Darnell Nurse—Brandon Davidson
  • Cam Talbot (plus backup, may or may not be Laurent Brossoit)

I didn’t run the numbers (we only have 12F and 6D) but I don’t think the money spent above would be insane. Chiarelli adds a nice scoring option on the wing, drafts a phenom (and that include a bonus wallop—not ideal) and then gets Jason Demers via free agency.

Not every problem is solved: Edmonton doesn’t have a hammer from the point, the defense is not as dynamic as you would want, and with Laine on the roster, a recall of Griffin Reinhart may not be possible—which is fine, but the Oilers have used 14D this season. Are you sure you want to do that? I have flushed Lauri Korpikoski. I have also excluded Nail Yakupov, but still believe the Oilers would be wise to keep him another year. They could pump and dump, they could find he can score 25 and be productive, or they could expose him in the expansion draft. Options beyond trading him for a pick are available to the team.

This is absolutely the right call. NHL general managers often talk about trades that work for both sides, but would gladly fleece Edmonton (and have) if the opportunity arises. In fairness to those general managers, the Oilers have done a bangup job in sewering the value of Yakupov. No sir, another year of Nail (in the Laine role, I would still sign Stempniak and leave Laine in Finland—giving Chiarelli more cap room to play with over the summer).

ANOTHER POSSIBLE ROSTER

  • Patrick Maroon—Connor McDavid—Jordan Eberle
  • Taylor Hall—Leon Draisaitl—Nail Yakupov
  • Benoit Pouliot—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Lee Stempniak
  • Matt Hendricks—Mark Letestu—Iiro Pakarinen
  • Oscar Klefbom—Jason Demers
  • Andrej Sekera—Mark Fayne
  • Brandon Davidson—David Savard
  • Cam Talbot (plus backup, may or may not be Laurent Brossoit)

On this roster, Yakupov takes Laine’s place for a year and David Savard is acquired for less established assets (I am not telling you, because if I do there will be a firestorm in the comments section about how much I hate a specific player. Pretty obvious if you are following along).

Sadly, I think the Oilers may be thinking about a third option, and suspect this may well be what we see in the fall. I suspect the Nuge is going somewhere. The team is unknown, but the idea (Nuge for a replacement center and a legit NHL defenseman) is (imo) the plan for this summer. Islanders? Blue Jackets? Jets? Devils? Hurricanes? Travis Hamonic, David Savard, Jacob Trouba, Adam Larsson, Justin Faulk? Any of those men worth moving the Nuge over? And what about Anaheim? The rumor had Pouliot and Nail heading out of town, what if Sami Vatanen was part of the return?  I suspect it was Cam Fowler instead, Bob Murray knows what he has on that blue. Would you trade Nuge in a deal for Vatanen? What if it also got you a goalie?

  • Patrick Maroon—Connor McDavid—Jordan Eberle
  • Taylor Hall—Leon Draisaitl—Nail Yakupov/Patrik Laine
  • Benoit Pouliot—David Backes—Lee Stempniak
  • Matt Hendricks—Mark Letestu—Iiro Pakarinen
  • Oscar Klefbom—Jason Demers
  • Andrej Sekera—Mark Fayne
  • Brandon Davidson—Sami Vatanen
  • Cam Talbot—Frederik Andersen

I have used Nuge plus a prospect for Vatanen and Andersen, and Backes is a spot carrier because the C situation in free agency is mighty poor. What about it? I don’t want to trade the Nuge, no sir. If you are going to, getting better up the middle has to be the payoff, including the acquisition of a veteran center in his place. Fair? There can be no other way.

Oilers reportedly interested, this might mean the club will send poor old Eetu Laurikainen back to Finland for the winter, with Lyon and Brossoit playing in Bakersfield. One wrinkle in Chiarelli’s strategy that is somewhat new is that Euro-NA move that saw Laurikainen and Yakimov fly and then return. Maybe we should look to Europe as the spring rolls along. What is Roman Horak up to these days? Hell, maybe they will find a way to get Teemu Hartikainen back, wouldn’t that be a laugh?

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun Wednesday on the show, TSN1260 at 10. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Fixing the blue without moving any Fs out. Can it be done? Plus the Oil Kings unlikely run.
  • Kirk Luedeke, Red Line Report. Jimmy Vesey in the news right now, Luedeke was telling us all about him in 2011. We will talk about the player, his skills, and where he might be heading.
  • Jesse Spector, The Sporting News. Baseball season is near! Is this the year the Cubbies win it all? What about the Cardinals? BoSox? Jesse tells all at 11:05.

Text 10-1260, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. flyfish1168 says:

    Hi LT

    What about Lucic. I’m sure we are in the mix for his services. I believe Hartikainen is beleaf property now

  2. Lowetide says:

    flyfish1168:
    Hi LT

    What about Lucic. I’m sure we are in the mix for his services. I believe Hartikainen is beleaf property now

    I believe Peter Chiarelli will chase him for sure, but don’t think Lucic is necessary for this roster.

  3. SoCaloil says:

    With all do respect LT, your second roster assumes trading Nuge for Vatanen
    ANA has Getz, Kessler, and Rackell at C, and Nate Thompson is signed for the 4C.role next year.
    That does not make much sense.

  4. Ducey says:

    Why do you hate Kassian, LT?

    Not a sniff in any of your lineups.

  5. frjohnk says:

    Looking at your D rosters

    1st
    •Oscar Klefbom—Jason Demers
    •Andrej Sekera—Mark Fayne
    •Darnell Nurse—Brandon Davidson

    2nd
    •Oscar Klefbom—Jason Demers
    •Andrej Sekera—Mark Fayne
    •Brandon Davidson—David Savard

    3rd
    •Oscar Klefbom—Jason Demers
    •Andrej Sekera—Mark Fayne
    •Brandon Davidson—Sami Vatanen

    Some might be jumping up and down at the first one as we only add 1 top 4 Dman. But I would say its adding a top 4 Dman in Demers PLUS a full year of a Davidson who is close to being a top 4 if not there already and hopefully a healthy Klefbom.

    In the 2nd and 3rd D rosters, LT clearly shows his hate for Nurse 🙂 But the rosters are upgrades from the 1st one, and miles better than this years when we include the injuries. When the Oiler D roster has 6 actual NHL defenseman and 4 guys who can play top 4 next year ( I’m counting on it) it will be the first time in about 8 years.

  6. kinger_OIL says:

    – Great write-up LT!

    – Penciling in Klef as our #1 RHD is really hoping that his history doesn’t repeat. Playoff teams in the NHL don’t have 100-game D on their top-pair (unless with a stud)

    – Davidson-Bonafide-D is a good 3rd pairing: Griff/Nurse can fight for time, or get to play with the bona-fide D if Davy can’t. Tough development for Nurse with Clendinning, and Griff/Osterle together, when they are all trying to emerge:. they need vets, or confidence big minutes in AHL

    – And need another G: we have the worst G tandemn in league

    – Hope you are wrong re: RNH….

  7. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    I don’t see any way, short of injury, that Nurse isn’t on the opening night roster.

    I’m willing to make a friendly donate-to-lowetide style wager with anyone that says otherwise if there is interest.

    I’ve been steadily impressed with Reinhart as the season has progressed, much as I became more and more impressed with Davidson as the season progressed last season. Oesterle too, very nice callup option for a puck moving D. If that’s our top pair in Bakersfield available for a call up it will certainly help us maintain competitiveness through injuries.

    I’d like to see a relatively big trade with the Islanders. I’d like to net Hamonic, and I believe they are ready to give up on Strome. I also believe they’d like to get rid of Grabovski.

    I think it would cost RNH, Fayne, and a 2nd. I’d rather not trade RNH but I tend believe the cost/benefit of Hamonic with that contract is of higher value than most and I don’t think Ebs will do the trick. I also believe that Klefbom and Davidson have something to offer from the point on the PP, and I’d be giving Oesterle big PP minutes on the farm in preparation for his eventual call up.

    Maroon – McDavid – Eberle
    Hall – Drai – Strome
    Pouliot – Grabovski – Yak
    Hendricks – Letestu – Kassian
    Pakman

    Klefbom – Hamonic
    Sekera – Demers
    Nurse – Davidson
    Gryba

    Talbot
    Gustavsson (take your pick)

  8. zatch says:

    Bit of a thorny issue, but have you seen any of those leaked emails, LT? If so, thoughts?
    I think it confirms what a garbage heap player safety has been, and unless I’m wrong, Mr. Campbell is going to help cost the NHL a LOT of money.

  9. SoCaloil says:

    oh..and they have Prandon Pirri now.

    Unless the package is Rackell+Vatanen for Nuge…but I think ANA has too much invested in Rackell

  10. frjohnk says:

    One thing that really sucks about your lineups is that there are no prospects in junior or the AHL except maybe Reinhart that I can really see having a decent chance of making the team next fall.

    And this is a team that might end up 30th this year.

    That’s how bare the prospect cupboard is for “almost ready prospects”

  11. season not played says:

    SoCaloil,

    Not to mention Anaheim might feel Rackell will end up being a better value for the money player than RNH.

  12. Melman says:

    LT, I couldn’t tell from the way you wrote it – would you prefer Fowler over Vatanen

  13. Woodguy says:

    I suspect the Nuge is going somewhere

    Why do you do this to yourself?

    Spector is the only guy who had Nuge going anywhere.

    Lebrun (seems to be Chia’s unofficial mouthpiece) had him not offered anywhere.

    Stauffer’s post deadline interview with Chia had him talk about RNH’s ability to play the toughest comp and how he appreciated it.

    Are you going to wear a hair shirt everyday until Chia says “I’m done” with the roster moves in the summer?

  14. dustrock says:

    zatch:
    Bit of a thorny issue, but have you seen any of those leaked emails, LT? If so, thoughts?
    I think it confirms what a garbage heap player safety has been, and unless I’m wrong, Mr. Campbell is going to help cost the NHL a LOT of money.

    Campbell just confirms every poor thought everyone ever had about him.

    I’m also concerned that McKenzie and Dreger are emailing him directly to ask for player suspensions. Curious to hear LT’s thoughts on that.

    Always thought the NHL was a bush league, and player safety/suspensions were the Wheel of Fortune, and the emails only confirm this.

    Really think the league needs to move on from Bettman, just to get a change, but I doubt some of the powerful owners would want that.

  15. Lois Lowe says:

    dustrock,

    The emails are incredibly damning. They make almost everyone outside of Shanahan look terrible. Dellow torpedoed Campbell’s credibility years ago, but this new stuff is mind blowing.

  16. dustrock says:

    Lois Lowe:
    dustrock,

    The emails are incredibly damning. They make almost everyone outside of Shanahan look terrible. Dellow torpedoed Campbell’s credibility years ago, but this new stuff is mind blowing.

    Yeah, even Bettman, who’s usually as cagey as they come, looks pretty terrible here.

    He’s basically suggesting that drunk addicts are drawn to become fighters and so we can’t really blame fighting per se. “A certain type of person”, that’s reprehensible Gary.

    He should be given the gears for this, but nothing will happen as usual.

  17. jonrmcleod says:

    Scrivens will be put on waivers today.

    Will the Oilers pick him up and check off one of LT’s to-do list items?

    I kid.

  18. sliderule says:

    In the drafts since 2008 the ducks have drafted nine defencemen in the first two rounds ,Florida 8.the isles Kings and Tampa bay 7.Those teams are all in top 15 NHL standings.
    The oilers have drafted four.
    We piss and moan about the oiler D but if you don’t draft them you won’t get them unless you grossly overpay.
    The oil have a chance to grab a defenceman in Chychrun who can score and is rated as one of best defenders in draft .
    If they ignore the huge oiler need and draft another offensive forward there is no hope for this team .

  19. Lois Lowe says:

    dustrock,

    I wonder if any of this will get a mention on Sportsnet?

  20. Zack says:

    Morning Lowetide,

    I don’t post here often but I read your blog/comment section religiously. Amazing job and community here, thank you for taking the time to write out posts.

    I have to agree with Woodguy, I can’t see the Nuge getting moved over the summer, possibility is there but it seems there is more smoke around the media than the brass. Amazing depth at center and for a good price, why mess with that?

    As for the defense, unfortunately, all combinations look quite weak for a playoff team. The forward group is strong and goaltending, with a decent backup, is strong but the d is far too weak. If Nail is to remain on the roster next season, which is probably for the best, why not use the pick to pry away an elite/top d-man? If Nail is eventually to be moved for a defenseman why not acquire him at the draft? I think the value of that 1st round pick will be higher at the draft then what Nail can fetch us when his value is the highest as an Oiler.

    Use the pick to acquire a Dman. Hamonic, Trouba etc. Maintains the roster adds NHL talent and doesn’t force us hope on magic beans.

  21. zatch says:

    dustrock,

    Lazy by Bettman and Daley, who, for all the hate, are very smart and should have known better than to have this stuff on email.

    Campbell honestly sounds like the bully who took 3 tries to get through the 9th grade before quitting a month into the 10th. Just disgusted by him.

    The implications here for the league are rather staggering.

  22. Ducey says:

    jonrmcleod:
    Scrivens will be put on waivers today.

    Will the Oilers pick him up and check off one of LT’s to-do list items?

    I kid.

    Its not a bad idea.

    Pick up Scrivens and send Brossoit down to rescue the farm team.

  23. dustrock says:

    zatch:
    dustrock,

    Lazy by Bettman and Daley, who, for all the hate, are very smart and should have known better than to have this stuff on email.

    Campbell honestly sounds like the bully who took 3 tries to get through the 9th grade before quitting a month into the 10th. Just disgusted by him.

    The implications here for the league are rather staggering.

    This should literally be national news this morning and I’m just betting TSN and Sportsnet aren’t going to touch it.

  24. Lowetide says:

    SoCaloil:
    With all do respect LT, your second roster assumes trading Nuge for Vatanen
    ANA has Getz, Kessler, and Rackell at C, and Nate Thompson is signed for the 4C.role next year.
    That does not make much sense.

    Actually, the trade is quite substantial, but sadly I am no longer willing to post it. For too long, and it is my fault, people have been reacting as if I somehow hate players, or have it in for them. Makes our conversations less fun, but you know what really isn’t fun? Being accused of burying a 22-year old out of hate.

    That I do not accept as a criticism.

  25. Frank the dog says:

    I can see Nuge going somewhere. Nuge is a 1C or 2C. What do good 3C’s cost? I’m sure less than $6M. TMac likes C’s who can play wing. Chia likes big, strong, mean players that also have some skill. How does our sweet baby Nuge stack up with those requirements? I didn’t think so. Add that to the quality of C that he is, too expensive for 3C, really good insurance to slide up the line when all of our talented players get injured in front of the zebras next year, and we have someone who Chia can keep if he doesn’t get a good enough return – yet.
    Yak going probably means Eberle stays.
    Big question in my mind is whether Hall has asked out – or not. Once again with Chia in charge, even if he has asked out, he’s not going anywhere without an adequate return. Look, Yak definetly asked, and he’s not going anywhere either without a satisfactory return.

  26. Ducey says:

    dustrock: This should literally be national news this morning and I’m just betting TSN and Sportsnet aren’t going to touch it.

    http://www.tsn.ca/link-between-fighting-concussions-personal-tragedies-discussed-in-unsealed-nhl-emails-1.460651

  27. Lowetide says:

    Ducey:
    Why do you hate Kassian, LT?

    Not a sniff in any of your lineups.

    Don’t hate Kassian, but Edmonton needs to add more skill on RW for next season.

  28. GCW_69 says:

    I can’t see the Oilers picking up a Freddy Andersen either, with an expansion draft coming. Better to grab someone in free agency you want to expose.

    And, popular or not,I am fully behind Nuge for Larsson. Don’t know Faulk as well, so won’t comment there. Savard does not seem like near enough for Nuge, don’t care what forward is coming back with him.

  29. Woogie63 says:

    How I see PC’s busy summer;

    1. Replace MacT and Howson once scouting is finished. Possible replacements; Jay Fester, Darren Abbott, Andrew Ference and Melody Davidson

    2. Solve the defense – Part A get a RHD Top Defenseman – Demers, Hamonic, Barrie, Vatanen Part B – commit to Davidson, Reinhart and Nurse competing for the 5-6-7 slot

    3. Draft the BPA European trained player – So they can spend some time in Bakersfield and learn.

    4. Back-up goalie, their should be lots to choose from

    5. Get Bigger, (Keep Maroon, Kassian) Add Kahaira as 4C and chase Okposo or Lucic

    6. Deside if you can live with Hall, Nuge, Eberle as your core leadership group, if you can’t trade one.

  30. dustrock says:

    Ducey: http://www.tsn.ca/link-between-fighting-concussions-personal-tragedies-discussed-in-unsealed-nhl-emails-1.460651

    Oh, I know Westhead broke the story, I just mean they should be pushing the story beyond what they have. And no mention of the McKenzie and Dreger emails to Campbell.

    Maybe I’m way off base with having a problem with Bob telling Campbell that Perry needs to be suspended.

    I guess I’m just naïve, but part of McKenzie’s allure is his seeming objectivity and impartiality – he reports very, very well.

    It’s just surprising to me to see him personally emailing the Director of Wheel of Suspension and telling him that Perry should be suspended. Is that his job? Is he digging for a story here? Or is he using his influence as a national reporter to push Campbell the way he wants?

  31. Frank the dog says:

    zatch:
    dustrock,

    Lazy by Bettman and Daley, who, for all the hate, are very smart and should have known better than to have this stuff on email.

    Campbell honestly sounds like the bully who took 3 tries to get through the 9th grade before quitting a month into the 10th. Just disgusted by him.

    The implications here for the league are rather staggering.

    It would be even more staggering if someone exposed evidence of tilting the ice in favour of designated teams. That would force Bettman out. I wonder if something like that would trigger a class action suit by the small market and Canadian teams….. Probably more likely the sun sets in the east than that happening though. But it sure would be interesting.

  32. Bar_Qu says:

    LT do you feel the Oil see Maroon as their Lucic so they don’t need to chase that white whale this summer? I’m happy if this is the case, since despite him being a top player the team can’t take on the price point and improve the D adequately.

  33. Frank the dog says:

    Lowetide: Actually, the trade is quite substantial, but sadly I am no longer willing to post it. For too long, and it is my fault, people have been reacting as if I somehow hate players, or have it in for them. Makes our conversations less fun, but you know what really isn’t fun? Being accused of burying a 22-year old out of hate.

    That I do not accept as a criticism.

    With respect I never saw those comments as criticism, LT, rather a pulling of your leg. I’m not sure any of us think you actually dislike players, so I’d take it as a sign of offhand affection if I were you.
    Edit: Or simple teasing, accompanied by a nuDge and a wink.

  34. digger50 says:

    I too favor not messing around too much with the forwards.

    Suggestions around balance again. This year has proven that you must add size and ruggedness with skill. Thus where is Kassian on the roster? I have him above at least 5 on the roster. His combination of skill, size and crazy have opposing players looking over their shoulder.

    I like adding Laine. I like having JJ and Sleppy waiting for a chance.

    I would prefer a bigger boost than Stempniak. One other area to balance is that 30 year old veteran NHL leader. Think Andrew Ladd.

    On defence I believe the Oilers future will be ultimately tied to the development of Klefbom, Nurse, Davidson, Rienhart, perhaps Osterle. No issues with Rienhart, he’ll make it and emerge into a strong player. The d list should read 8 deep so throw in Gryba and Pardy as one of them will likely be filling in all year and they do bring size and veteran presence. IF the above is true, Sekera and Fayne obviously cannot carry the load. Likely Fayne will be upgraded, and I agree we’ll see that replacement plus one more new d man.

    Back to balance, I think we see one D man to fill a hole in skill level, and one to fill a hole in leadership level. Chara? Would not surprise me to see one big name Vet on a short contract.

    There is now a load of talent and potential on this team. Or am I blind? Ranked last of Canadian teams to make playoffs next year??? I must disagree.

  35. Lowetide says:

    Frank the dog: With respect I never saw those comments as criticism, LT, rather a pulling of your leg. I’m not sure any of us think you actually dislike players, so I’d take it as a sign of offhand affection if I were you.

    No, I believe it is personal and will treat it as such. The idea that I somehow have it in for these players has grown on this site for some time. My fault. It ended yesterday. We move on.

  36. Bar_Qu says:

    And the ” why do you hate ___ LT?” meme likely needs to be put to rest. Considering how big his audience has gotten in the last 5 yrs, most ppl don’t realize it is a joke going back to Pronger trade and actually think LT has personal contempt for players. Which is ludicrous for anyone who has read here longer than 2 yrs, but that’s the new audience now. It’s not 50 regulars chatting here with all their inside jokes anymore.

    Just my strong opinion on the matter.

    *edit* what LT said

  37. Ducey says:

    Lowetide: Actually, the trade is quite substantial, but sadly I am no longer willing to post it. For too long, and it is my fault, people have been reacting as if I somehow hate players, or have it in for them. Makes our conversations less fun, but you know what really isn’t fun? Being accused of burying a 22-year old out of hate.

    That I do not accept as a criticism.

    I think most of us assumed that “Why do you hate player X, LT?” was just a running joke going back to Smid and likely before.

    I don’t see how anyone that reads here regularly would think you hate anyone, anywhere, let alone someone wearing your beloved Oilers uniform.

    If this is not the case, please let us know and we will stop.

    EDIT: I guess we will stop

  38. slopitch says:

    Oscar Klefbom—Jason Demers
    Andrej Sekera—Mark Fayne
    Darnell Nurse—Brandon Davidson

    I think the Oilers need to aim higher offensively. Demers is more Gilbert, Petry, Sekera type (career high 34 points) and doesn’t get the offensive minutes on Dallas.

    Part of the Oilers turn north which I believe will happen next year will be to have a punishing powerplay. Yes its a 5 man unit and its on the forwards too but a quality player back there would sure help. Personally I keep the Nuge but I also dangle him for a Faulk type. The only way to get that calibre dman is to draft him or trade something legit for him.

  39. Clay says:

    I’m not saying I want this, but I’d be surprised if Chia did as little to the roster as any of your 3 proposals, LT.

    One gets the feeling that we are going to see major changes.

  40. Frank the dog says:

    Lowetide: No, I believe it is personal and will treat it as such. The idea that I somehow have it in for these players has grown on this site for some time. My fault. It ended yesterday. We move on.

    I’m very sorry to hear that. I found that part of your analysis really interesting, and even I jokingly asked you why you hated somebody once or twice. Damn sorry I did that in retrospect.

    Something I do utterly detest is to see some knives come out for Yak. Mostly elsewhere, but a bit on this site yesterday if I recall correctly.

  41. Stephen says:

    sliderule:
    In the drafts since 2008 the ducks have drafted nine defencemenin the first two rounds ,Florida8.the isles Kings and Tampa bay 7.Those teams are all in top 15 NHL standings.
    The oilers have drafted four.
    We piss and moan about the oiler D but if you don’t draft them you won’t get them unless you grossly overpay.
    The oil have a chance to grab a defenceman in Chychrun who can score and is rated as one of best defenders in draft .
    If they ignore the huge oiler need and draft another offensive forward there is no hope for this team .

    Washington has drafted 5 (1 in 2015) and Dallas has drafted 4 . They are currently 1st/2nd overall in the league.

    I think the issue with the Oilers is in poor player selection rather than poor position selection.

  42. Frank the dog says:

    Clay:
    I’m not saying I want this, but I’d be surprised if Chia did as little to the roster as any of your 3 proposals, LT.

    One gets the feeling that we are going to see major changes.

    I think Hall said as much.

  43. PDO says:

    Yakupov for 2 2nd’s.
    Nurse for Hamonic
    Sign Demers 25/5.
    Sign Brouwer 10/2.
    Sign Reimer 5/2.
    Draft BPA and send him back to Europe/CHL.

    I’d front load Brouwer too. He’s there for the expansion draft exposure and is a tough minutes guy for a year (also a RH shot for the PP).

    Maroon – McDavid – Eberle
    Pouliot – RNH – Brouwer
    Hall – Draisatl – Slappy
    Henricks – Letestu – Kassian
    Pak

    Klefbom – Hamonic
    Sekera – Demers
    Davidson – Fayne
    Gryba

    Talbot
    Reimer

    Nothing unreasonable. No huge risks taken. An infinitely better roster that fits well under the cap.

    Korpse and Ference bought out.

    Fayne/Pouliot/Brouwer/Reimer take up most of the 25% that will have to be exposed for the expansion draft.

  44. stevezie says:

    I think the upcoming league-wide cap crunch means we can fix the D without buggering the forwards. I also believe that as we have limited depth this idea is a necessity.

    Maybe I’m just one more fan bedazzled by the Pronger trade even after all these years, but at least I’m in good company.

  45. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Can I get some clarity on how “exposure” to the expansion draft will work?

    If the expansion draft is next summer (say June), and a guy’s contract ends at the end of next year, is he considered part of the team for exposure/protection purposes given that he’s days away from free agency?

    Because I would imagine that guys on expiring contracts wouldn’t factor in. Why would anyone draft a guy like Korps only to have him go UFA days later? It would also mean we wouldn’t need to protect Ference… seems unnecessarily punitive to make a team protect a guy within minutes of his contract expiring.

    Seems to me like contracts that expire next year should be off the table. Vegas can always make them an offer on July 1 anyway.

    Anyone have any insight on this?

  46. JDï™ says:

    Claim Scrivens and send LB down to marinate some more?


    Elliotte Friedman Verified account
    ‏@FriedgeHNIC

    Some waivers today. Scrivens (MON) and Smith (TOR)

  47. jake70 says:

    “The more I look at this roster, the more I would like to see Peter Chiarelli solve things without buggering up the forwards.”

    I am thinking this too, but for me, only because of the goalie equipment changes coming, there could be goals. (in a way cancels out my general concern of the ability of the core top 6 guys ability to beat NHL goaltenders)

  48. russ99 says:

    Dump Fayne, Lander, Pouliot, Korpikoski, Pakarinen.
    Don’t re-sign Gryba unless we can get him cheap to be the 7th D.
    Buy out Ference.
    Re-sign Kassian, Oesterle

    Trade Eberle for Shattenkirk
    Trade Klefbom and pick for Hamonic and prospect

    Sign Jason Demers
    Sign Franz Neilsen, Vern Fiddler or Jarrett Stoll for 3rd Line C.
    Sign Tuomo Ruutu, Travis Moen or Trevor Lewis for 3rd line LW.
    Sign Jhonas Enroth for backup goalie

    Hall – RNH – Draisaitl
    Maroon – McDavid – Yakupov
    Ruutu – Nielsen – Kassian
    Hendricks – Letestu – Salinen

    Sekera – Shattenkirk
    Davidson – Hamonic
    Nurse – Demers

    Talbot
    Enroth

  49. rickithebear says:

    Defence wins championships:
    Less goals easier to outscore!

    Klefbom
    15-16 upper 1st comp; #22 1.10 EVP/60; 10.12 HSCA/60
    14-15 bot 2nd comp; #63 EVP/60;

    top 5 EVP/60 last half of 14-15 season under nelson.
    1st pairing D in all 5 categories at time of injury.
    -He faces 1st comp;
    -when he is allowed to run:
    #5 EVP/60 under nelson
    #22 EVP/60 under Tmac
    – His HSCA/60 with Fayne was cup caliber in more than half the games in 14-15
    15-16 HSCA/60 is cup caliberas an upper 1st comp D. for 4.167M

    Demers:
    15-16 mid 2nd comp ; #27 1.08 EVp/60; 11.26 HSCA/60
    14-15 mid 3rd comp; #49 .93 EVP/60; 10.11 HSCA/60
    13-14 upr 3rd comp; #8 1.24 EVP/60; 9.63 HSCA/60
    An ideal 3rd comp d with strong Even off numbers.
    but what do you spend on a player that has shown zero Box protection beyond 3rd comp.

    Travis Hamonic,
    15-16 bot 1st comp; #70 .83 EVP/60; 12.47 HSCA/60
    14-15 mid 2nd comp; #28 1.12 EVP/60; 11.67 HSCA/60
    13-14 Bot 1st comp; #116 .66 EVP/60; 10.67 HSCA/60
    Hamonic is not a 1st comp Defender.
    Mid 2nd comp box protection D.
    The ask is to much!

    David Savard,
    15-16 Upr 2nd comp; #30 1.04 EVP/60; 11.06 HSCA/60
    14-15 Mid 2nd comp; #58 .92 EVP/60; 10.27 HSCA/60
    13-14 Bot 3rd comp; #149 .55 EVP/60; 9.69 HSCA/60
    Currently a mid 2nd comp Box defender!

    Jacob Trouba,
    15-16 upr 2nd comp; #128 .056 EVP/60; 11.16 HSCA/60
    14-15 mid 2nd comp; #147 .62 EVP/60; 10.80 HSCA/60
    13-14 Upr 2nd comp; #12 1.21 EVP/60; 12.55 HSCA/60
    the guy shows as a bot 2nd comp Box defender.
    Sekera generates 7.80 HSCA/60 against 2nd comp.

    Adam Larsson,
    15-16 Upr 1st comp; #117 .59 EVP/60; 8.95 HSCA/60
    14-15 upr 1st comp; #19 1.16 EVP/60; 9.50 HSCA/60
    13-14 upr 3rd comp; #176 .44 EVP/60; 6.75 HSCA/60
    Lord mother…………

    Justin Faulk
    15-16 mid 1st comp; #40 .98 EVP/60; 12.52 HSCA/60
    14-15 upr 1st comp; #35 1.05 EVP/60; 12.00 HSCA/60
    13-14 mid 1st comp; #41 .96 EVP/60; 12.72 HSCA/60
    You do not want to have to pay 18M for a fwd line to break even with this Shite standard of D.

    Would do Yakupov + N……. for 5 years of Larsson + NJ FWD?

    Seth jones is 14.61 HSCA/60 in his 35gm with CBJ.
    That is #1 worst in the league.

    other notable 10 worst
    #10 Gryba 13.11 glue factory please!
    #9 Klingberg 13.17
    #8 E. Johnson 13.24
    #7 Quincey 13.26
    #6 Reinhart 13.30
    #5 Hanafin 13.56
    #4 Nurse 13.80 He is providing the playoff eliminating Defence we saw from Schultz!
    F….. intangibles. Championship Box protection is the #1 Intangible.
    #3 Bartkowski 14.09
    #2 Goligoski 14.17

    Faulk 17th worst
    Hamonic 23rd worst
    D. Hamilton 26th worst
    Fowler 34th worst
    Barrie 35th worst
    murray 37th worst
    M. Rielly 46th worst

    Schultz
    13.28 in EDM;
    7.97 in PIT

  50. rickithebear says:

    Contracts do not end until start of July.
    The expansion draft will be ahead of amateur draft in june.

  51. sliderule says:

    Stephen: Washington has drafted 5 (1 in 2015) and Dallas has drafted 4 . They are currently 1st/2nd overall in the league.

    I think the issue with the Oilers is in poor player selection rather than poor position selection.

    Washington loaded up in the 2004-07 drafts taking seven D a number of whom are still playing ,so they may have felt no need.Dallas is kind of like oilers all forwards no D.
    The teams I mentioned are considered to have strong defensive groups and I think you can attribute it to drafting.many and well.
    The teams that focus on developing a back end do well.
    The oilers are talking about trading a number one in Nuge for a second or third pairing D in Vatanen.
    There are three D in this draft that are very good.Chychrun has scored very nearly the same as Eckblad and is rated a better defender.

  52. rickithebear says:

    A third comp Box protection D listed as a 1st comp partner for Klefbom:
    Christmas trees and campfires batman!

  53. rickithebear says:

    Klefbom for Hamonic.

    Yeah I know he was performing like Lidstrom.
    but I think this 2nd comp d will be the answer!

  54. russ99 says:

    rickithebear,

    Yep.

    If we keep Klefbom, hope he’ll be on the second pairing. He needs a strong box protector with a good point shot as a partner, to cover for his weaknesses.

    IMO, Nurse has a higher ceiling than Klefbom in both the offense and defensive zones within McLellan’s systems.

    What I want to see from Chiarelli this summer most of all is no compromising on our roster. We need playoff dates in the new building.

  55. russ99 says:

    rickithebear,

    Hamonic is good at all the things we need more out of from our defensemen, tough in man coverage, disrupts the cycle, has a great point shot and is a physical D.

    Not saying we’d not miss Klefbom’s exit and entry passes, but if we get Shattenkirk, that would make up for it.

  56. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    I know a lot of you seem pretty bent out of shape about the NHL emails but I honestly didn’t learn anything from them that we didn’t already know.

    Every time the NHL sends out a survey on fighting the players end up voting to keep fighting in the game. One can make a very good case against direct head shots being a huge problem but the NHL itself has actually taken steps to address that problem. Has it gone far enough? Probably not but it’s a work in progress, open ice hits are becoming rarer and rarer. Players that hit like Scott Stevens have effectively been phased out (ditto for the single moniker “fighters”). Our understanding of concussions has greatly accelerated in the last few years. I’m not that old but even when I was playing as long as you weren’t seeing double you’d just get up and shake off a big hit. Were the parents coaching us malicious animals that wanted to see us all with permanent brain damage? I don’t think so but what was happening was a legitimate ignorance of the science behind those hits.

    So in short I’m really having a hard time getting as worked up as some on this blog. Specifically in the case of fighters I think Bettman and Daly were pointing out the obvious (the NHLPA represents all players and not just skilled guys) who have a vested interest in seeing fighting remain part of the game. Does this make them horrible scumbags? Maybe to some people but I don’t see it that way. The game is evolving as its fan base evolves, we’re already seeing certain types of players becoming more and more rare.

    Were their comments callous when discussing the temperament/personality of enforcer type players? Yes probably, but again as a guy that grew up playing and watching the game like much of you I have to think long and hard to really pin down if they were 100% categorically wrong. I fought twice in my hockey career once as part of a line brawl at the end of a season and another time after a defensemen caught me early and with an elbow on a breakout. But I did know guys that fought 5-6 times a year and they really enjoyed that aspect of the game. They also loved fighting on weekends and at bush parties, it was a thrill I guess and a giant pissing contest to boot. Small sample size for sure but I agree with Bettman and Daly to an extent in that it does indeed take a different sort of mindset to engage in a fist fight with another human/hockey player, that is why guys like Eberle and the Nuge don’t do it. Not everyone has that type of aggression in them so I don’t think it’s completely off base to say that fighters do indeed have a temperament that is different from players that don’t fight.

    Should one ever read into a persons temperament in regards to being disposed to depression and other sorts of mental illness? 100% for sure not but there has been an unbelievable amount of stories and material that is finally come to light over the last few years on how players actually live their lives during their careers and how difficult it is to step away from the game when is all over. The Players Tribune has been a fantastic resource for finally giving a voice to things that we could only speculate on beforehand. Professional sports is a very closed network, one that the casts majority of people don’t really care about or want to understand but as we’re finally starting to learn it’s a very complicated world full of triumph and heartbreak.bmental illness still has a giant stigma attached to it and very slowly we are starting to come around to the fact that it is an incredibly debilitating affliction. Are people surprised that professional athletes have problems in this area given the expectations/pressures they face? The solitude that must surely come when you leave home as a teenager, to train constantly to one goal and one goal only, honing whatever skills you possess in order to make it to the show?

    I don’t really know what to make of these emails. Do they show that the NHL brass is aware of the dangerous of fighting? Yes yes they do. Does it also show that back in 2011 and 2012 players wanted to keep this aspect of the game? Yes yes it does.

    Physical contact sports are dangerous. We are now coming around to understanding just how dangerous they are. Will fighting stay a part of hockey in the next ten years? I highly doubt it. Will checks to the head be punished more severely over that same time span? Yes yes they will. Will we ever make hockey a “safe game” whatever that means? No almost certainly not. People’s perceptions of danger and risk are drastically different today than they were ten years ago. I highly doubt we will become more tolerant of physical risk in sport so the goalposts will almost certainly be moved. I don’t know what any of this means for hockey. It’s tough to say really but I honestly don’t see the giant explosion to guilt/angst over these emails that some are seeing.

  57. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear,

    Schultz
    13.28 in EDM;
    7.97 in PIT

    If that doesn’t convince you that 3rd pair Dmen get over rated by shot metrics, nothing will.

  58. Dustylegnd says:

    sliderule,

    Sliderule, you speak the truth. I am continuously blown away by the collective intellect of the posters on this blog, yet the collective fails to see we don’t need another skill forward, but rather a legitimate #1 and #3 D man.

    Nobody wins in this league without stud defence. Klefbomb could very well be that Stud, but we wait minimum one more year to find out.

    What the Oilers have DOES NOT WORK, the proof is in the “Loss column”

    The Oil must trade something valuable to get what they need, the tea that has what the Oilers need will decide who the player is not Chia……it will be viewed as an overpayment right up to the point where the Oil actually win more than they lose.

  59. Lloyd B. says:

    Lt Says: Chiarelli adds a nice scoring option on the wing, drafts a phenom (and that include a bonus wallop—not ideal) and then gets Jason Demers via free agency.

    I understand the bonus issues on the salary cap for players on their ELC. I don’t look at it as negatively as most.

    For example, if we were to trade the pick for a $3.8 M man signed for 3 years then we would carry the full value of the contract for the full three years and there would be no worries.

    Why is there such angst at a rookie potentially earning $3.8M a year IF he hits all his bonuses?

    Carry the full bonus contract in the cap and if he hits all the bonuses then that player likely had an outstanding year and contributed greatly to a turn north. If he doesn’t Katz gets a few extra bucks for the year end BBQ. Or am I missing something?

  60. One-Timer says:

    First off, I’m no Bettman or Campbell fan. That said, this head-injury fiasco is not all on them.

    They are absolutely hypocritical when it comes to their beliefs about “the Link.” League policy contradicts their own thoughts on the subject, just as it contradicts medical evidence and common sense.

    What surprises me is how the NHLPA comes under no scrutiny here. They are just as hypocritical as the league execs, and maybe more so. They go on about player safety, then do nothing to get rid of the goons. They want to reduce player injuries, but they don’t want “fighters” (i.e. unskilled thugs) to lose their jobs. They can’t have it both ways. And don’t get me started about Matt *spits a big green loogie* Cooke…

    Finally, it is pointless to complain about the tone of anybody’s e-mails. Most of us wouldn’t want our own work e-mails publicized — not because of the facts, but because we’d worry about how others would interpret the tone.

    Sorry about being so OT. I don’t participate in any other forum to talk hockey!

  61. rickithebear says:

    As for UFA:
    Any agent with a brain knows teams will be looking at expansion draft protection:
    Bettman has stated that they need to advise teams before this years draft if 2017 EXPansion draft will occur. Allows them a year to structure the roster.

    NMC that likely are require to be protected.
    Sekera 5.5M
    Ference 3.25M injury may prevent a buy out.
    CBA allows player to wave NMC allowing Expansion draft exposure.
    Talbot

    so are we a 7-3-1 or a 4-4-1
    Me hoping Ference waves!
    Eberle; Hall; RNH; Draisatl;
    Sekera; Klefbom; Davidson

    What scares me is a 2018 EXP draft!
    Mcdavid/Nurse would be exposed

    Hall; RNH: Mcdavid; Draistl maximized contract years
    Sekera; Klefbom; Davidson;

    Yakupov; Nurse; Eberle have a chance of being Exposed!

    2017 becomes a 4-4-1 if we get a core D like Larsson; Brodin.
    with Yakupov; Eberle; Nurse assets.

  62. SoCaloil says:

    Im
    Lowetide,

    Lowetide,

    Lowetide,

    I’m not sure what you’re saying here
    All I’m saying is I don’t see that happening
    Nothing personal

    Claiming scrivens makes no sense. Give talbot the last three starts. He’s still young and needs NHL games and the schedule allows it. Brossoit trains in the big leagues, collects a good paycheck and gets in proper practices. Good for confidence. Send him down after season

  63. One-Timer says:

    Woodguy:
    rickithebear,

    Schultz
    13.28 in EDM;
    7.97 in PIT

    If that doesn’t convince you that 3rd pair Dmen get over rated by shot metrics, nothing will.

    I was thinking along the lines of:
    “If that doesn’t convince you that Jultz is a 3rd pair and not 1st pair D, then nothing will!”
    But this would be directed more at the Oilers than RTB.

  64. Woodguy says:

    Dustylegnd,

    I am continuously blown away by the collective intellect of the posters on this blog, yet the collective fails to see we don’t need another skill forward, but rather a legitimate #1 and #3 D man.

    You’re right.

    No one here ever talks about adding defencemen.

    Ever.

  65. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    After reading so much material on the possible roster scenarios, I think Yak, Eberle and our first round pick are the key currency to be used this summer. I’m supposing Chiarelli buys a D, trades for another D, acquires an ‘impact’ forward and tinkers beyond that. I personally believe he highly values RNH (much more so than Eberle) and will retain him for C depth. I think Nurse is penciled in for next year (not that I have a strong view he should be I just think they are committed to his development at the NHL level and no other) and Reinhart is not far behind. I have come to accept aggressive roster moves are usually less than your mind will conjure on the internets and what the talking heads on MSM postulate about to stir reaction. I also think Chia won’t be fleeced. He has some water under the bridge on being a GM and quite frankly, beyond our laser focus on the pressure on our GM, the stress is as high and the complications as acute for many, many GM’s around the league right now. There isn’t a real leverage imbalance I see.

  66. Truth says:

    I heard Jamie Thomas on the radio this morning saying Drouin is “way” more valuable than Yakupov. His reasoning is that Yakupov has already proven he should never have been drafted at 1st overall and Drouin hasn’t had that opportunity.

    Yakupov:
    Draft -1 yr: 0.75 GPG, 1.55 PPG
    Draft yr (knee injury): 0.74 GPG, 1.64 PPG
    NHL: 0.20 GPG, 0.43 PPG
    Yakupov played with Galchenyuk Draft -1 yr and did not in his draft yr (due to Galch. inj.)

    Drouin:
    Draft -1 yr: 0.21 GPG, 0.88 PPG
    Draft yr: 0.84 GPG, 2.14 PPG
    Draft +1 yr (junior, no MacKinnon): 0.63 GPG, 2.35 PPG
    NHL: 0.07 GPG, 0.38 PPG
    Drouin played with MacKinnon Draft -1 yr and Draft yr.

    They are 17 months apart in age, Yakupov has played 160 more games. The one year Drouin could not have played in the NHL (his draft year) was a lockout in the NHL. Therefore, Drouin was eligible to play in the NHL for a max of 48 games less than Yakupov. The reason he didn’t? He was deemed either not good enough or the organization thought he was better off developing in lower leagues. He did not play himself onto the roster.

    The outlier = The Russian Factor (although Nail has stressed he is not going to KHL).

    I think they are pretty close as comparables and would have no problem with a straight across trade of the two players. Yzerman would have to consider how the organization has succeeded in developing Russians Kucherov, Namestnikov, and Vasilevsky. Oilers could play Drouin or flip him for someone scared of Yakupov. The best part would be watching the media flopping like a fish on the boat deck trying to immediately sewer Drouin’s value.

  67. Chachi says:

    When people use the phrases “with all due respect” and “nothing personal” why does it always seem like whatever they say along with those phrases can be taken very personally and demonstrate a great lack of respect. I know that I do this myself from time to time. For example, with all due respect, anyone who attacks the author and fine and generous host of this blog with passive aggressive comments is an asshole. Nothing personal.

  68. pocession charge says:

    Dustylegnd:
    sliderule,

    Sliderule, you speak the truth.I am continuously blown away by the collective intellect of the posters on this blog, yet the collective fails to see we don’t need another skill forward, but rather a legitimate #1 and #3 D man.

    Nobody wins in this league without stud defence. Klefbomb could very well be that Stud, but we wait minimum one more year to find out.

    What the Oilers have DOES NOT WORK, the proof is in the “Loss column”

    The Oil must trade something valuable to get what they need, the tea that has what the Oilers need will decide who the player is not Chia……it will be viewed as an overpayment right up to the point where the Oil actually win more than they lose.

    Sliderule speaks the truth and has amazing hindsight. Now we just need a DeLorean to go back to 2007 and draft those defencemen. As for this year’s draft, those ‘studs’ that you speak of won’t be making an impact until 2020. As for Chychrun, he might not even be the best defenceman in the draft and I doubt that Sliderule has seen the three top D prospects play enough to make the kind of statements that he’s making.

  69. Professor Q says:

    dustrock: Oh, I know Westhead broke the story, I just mean they should be pushing the story beyond what they have.And no mention of the McKenzie and Dreger emails to Campbell.

    Maybe I’m way off base with having a problem with Bob telling Campbell that Perry needs to be suspended.

    I guess I’m just naïve, but part of McKenzie’s allure is his seeming objectivity and impartiality – he reports very, very well.

    It’s just surprising to me to see him personally emailing the Director of Wheel of Suspension and telling him that Perry should be suspended.Is that his job?Is he digging for a story here?Or is he using his influence as a national reporter to push Campbell the way he wants?

    He also seemed verrry ass-kissish. Like a teen girl asking rich daddy for the car, even if she didn’t respect daddy.

    Dreger was less so.

  70. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy:
    rickithebear,

    Schultz
    13.28 in EDM;
    7.97 in PIT

    If that doesn’t convince you that 3rd pair Dmen get over rated by shot metrics, nothing will.

    WG:

    Sample size!

    As a wood guy you allways say size maters.

    though I allways thought you were refering to thinkness (2,3,4 fingers-puney guys) (2,3 finger huskey guys) and hardness.

    ——————————————-

    He was facing mid 2nd comp
    and
    now facing 3rd/4th comp paired with ian cole.

    Plus the 15% improvement in performance moving west to east.

    Goals are the desired Measure:
    shots are part of the measure path.

    (corsi -blocks) = pucks that get thru.

    (Pucks thru – Misses) = Shots

    ————————————————————————————– responsibility changes!

    (Shots – closed shots) = open shots
    Closed shots are shots that cannot score a goal.
    open hole shots are require a standard positioned goalie to make a save.

    The open to closed ratio should be influenced by Goalies.
    The open shot save % is about goalies in first phase.
    Rebounds are 2nd phase.

  71. pocession charge says:

    Woodguy:
    rickithebear,

    Schultz
    13.28 in EDM;
    7.97 in PIT

    If that doesn’t convince you that 3rd pair Dmen get over rated by shot metrics, nothing will.

    Beat me to it! Schultz is amazing now……

  72. PerryK says:

    frjohnk:
    Looking at your D rosters

    1st
    •Oscar Klefbom—Jason Demers
    •Andrej Sekera—Mark Fayne
    •Darnell Nurse—Brandon Davidson

    2nd
    •Oscar Klefbom—Jason Demers
    •Andrej Sekera—Mark Fayne
    •Brandon Davidson—David Savard

    3rd
    •Oscar Klefbom—Jason Demers
    •Andrej Sekera—Mark Fayne
    •Brandon Davidson—Sami Vatanen

    Some might be jumping up and down at the first one as we only add 1 top 4 Dman.But I would say its adding a top 4 Dman in Demers PLUS a full year of a Davidson who is close to being a top 4 if not there already and hopefully a healthy Klefbom.

    In the 2nd and 3rd D rosters, LT clearly shows his hate for Nurse But the rosters are upgrades from the 1st one, and miles better than this years when we include the injuries.When the Oiler D roster has 6 actual NHL defenseman and 4 guys who can play top 4 next year ( I’m counting on it) it will be the first time in about 8 years.

    LT is also showing a distinct favour for Fayne! Please trade him and replace him! Maybe NJ will take him back.

  73. Professor Q says:

    Chachi:
    When people use the phrases “with all due respect” and “nothing personal” why does it always seem like whatever they say along with those phrases can be taken very personally and demonstrate a great lack of respect.I know that I do this myself from time to time.For example, with all due respect, anyone who attacks the author and fine and generous host of this blog with passive aggressive comments is an asshole.Nothing personal.

    Like, “I’m sorry, but…”, “I’m not racist, but…”, “I’m not sexist, but…”, etc. :p

  74. Zack says:

    rickithebear:
    Defence wins championships:
    Less goals easier to outscore!

    Klefbom
    15-16 upper 1st comp; #22 1.10 EVP/60; 10.12 HSCA/60
    14-15 bot 2nd comp; #63 EVP/60;

    top 5 EVP/60 last half of 14-15 season under nelson.
    1st pairing D in all 5 categories at time of injury.
    -He faces 1st comp;
    -when he is allowed to run:
    #5 EVP/60 under nelson
    #22 EVP/60 under Tmac
    – His HSCA/60 with Fayne was cup caliber in more than half the games in 14-15
    15-16 HSCA/60 is cup caliberas an upper 1st comp D. for 4.167M

    Adam Larsson,
    15-16 Upr 1st comp; #117 .59 EVP/60; 8.95 HSCA/60
    14-15 upr 1st comp; #19 1.16 EVP/60;9.50 HSCA/60
    13-14 upr 3rd comp; #176 .44 EVP/60; 6.75 HSCA/60
    Lord mother…………

    Justin Faulk
    15-16 mid 1st comp; #40 .98 EVP/60; 12.52 HSCA/60
    14-15 upr 1st comp; #35 1.05 EVP/60; 12.00 HSCA/60
    13-14 mid 1st comp; #41 .96 EVP/60; 12.72 HSCA/60
    You do not want to have to pay 18M for a fwd line to break even with this Shite standard of D.

    Would do Yakupov + N……. for 5 years of Larsson + NJ FWD?

    Not sure Yakupov would fetch much. Nuge + Yak? Maybe, but I doubt for Larsson. I think it’d have to be more like Nuge + 2nd Overall for Larsson + Prospect even then I’d be unsure. I think NJ is extremely high on Larsson and it would take a lot to move him.

    Nuge + 2nd Overall for Larsson + Zacha? Is that fair value on both sides? NJ would want a Dman in return, including Nurse would be too much. Having both Klefbom and Larsson would be something though but I’m guessing the asking price from NJ includes Klefbom.

  75. Chachi says:

    Professor Q,

    Yup! Also, “don’t take this the wrong way…” and my all time favourite, “No offence…”!

  76. Ducey says:

    PDO:
    Yakupov for 2 2nd’s.
    Nurse for Hamonic
    Sign Demers 25/5.
    Sign Brouwer 10/2.
    Sign Reimer 5/2.
    Draft BPA and send him back to Europe/CHL.

    I’d front load Brouwer too.He’s there for the expansion draft exposure and is a tough minutes guy for a year (also a RH shot for the PP).

    Maroon – McDavid – Eberle
    Pouliot – RNH – Brouwer
    Hall – Draisatl – Slappy
    Henricks – Letestu – Kassian
    Pak

    Klefbom – Hamonic
    Sekera – Demers
    Davidson – Fayne
    Gryba

    Talbot
    Reimer

    Nothing unreasonable.No huge risks taken.An infinitely better roster that fits well under the cap.

    Korpse and Ference bought out.

    Fayne/Pouliot/Brouwer/Reimer take up most of the 25% that will have to be exposed for the expansion draft.

    I don’t mind that, except you are trading my man Nurse. That won’t do. No sir.

    And there is no way that Yak is going to get one second rounder, never mind two. We are in Justin Schultz territory (3rd rounder), especially with the draft on the horizon and picks going at a premium.

  77. Ducey says:

    Chachi:
    Professor Q,

    Yup! Also, “don’t take this the wrong way…” and my all time favourite, “No offence…”!

    What? I can’t say the Canucks have “no offence”?

    This political correctness stuff has gone too far.

  78. kinger_OIL says:

    – In order to have a playoff D roster:

    Sekera – “1st round pick trade or Ebs +”
    Klef – “Cash from Nikitin/Ferrence”
    One of Davy/Griff/Nurse – Better than Fayne

    – Basically, the 1st and 2nd D pairing have to be pretty much same level, and 3rd pairing needs a vet to be better than whichever of the rooks make it.

    – If Davy/Griff/Nurse do well, great, but give them a chance.

  79. Chachi says:

    Ducey,

    I don’t know about you, but when I write about the Canucks offence is always meant.

  80. RJ2016 says:

    Here’s a crazy question:

    If they pick Laine/Puljujarvi, what’s the downside of playing their draft+1 season in the AHL next season? That would only make them stronger players in their draft+2 year.

    Rantanen has had an All-Star season learning the North American game in the AHL, by way of example.

  81. NorthernOil says:

    rickithebear,

    Ference is off the books summer of 2017 so why would the oilers be required to protect a player who had a nmc but no longer is on the roster at the time of the draft. The expansion team would have the option to pick him up in free agency so it would be stupid of the nhl to require teams to protect a expiring nmc.

  82. OF17 says:

    RJ2016:
    Here’s a crazy question:

    If they pick Laine/Puljujarvi, what’s the downside of playing their draft+1 season in the AHL next season? That would only make them stronger players in their draft+2 year.

    Rantanen has had an All-Star season learning the North American game in the AHL, by way of example.

    Downside is they lose a year of the ELC, which could be a pretty big deal. Having a player of Laine’s calibre at $900K plus bonuses in the 19/20 season would be huge. All indications point to that being a huge value contract.

    Of course burning a year in the AHL means the next contract will be more affordable, and it’s possible that the AHL would prepare him better for the NHL than the SHL would, but I think the tradeoff of staggering ELCs is worth it. Laine would be a bargain at just the right time.

  83. Lowetide says:

    Melman:
    LT, I couldn’t tell from the way you wrote it – would you prefer Fowler over Vatanen

    Vatanen for sure. Imo he would be a very good target.

  84. MachoManRandySavage says:

    OF17: Downside is they lose a year of the ELC, which could be a pretty big deal.

    IIRC, it seems that coming over to play in the AHL as a slide eligible player does not burn a year of ELC. Rantanen was just sent back from the NHL to the AHL to avoid the burning of a year and Mike Nylander’s kid just had a year burnt by the Leafs after playing most of the year in the AHL and playing more than 9 NHL games.

    I could be wrong of course, I’m no CBA type lawyer. Those are just two examples that came to mind. Cheers!

  85. Lowetide says:

    Bar_Qu:
    LT do you feel the Oil see Maroon as their Lucic so they don’t need to chase that white whale this summer? I’m happy if this is the case, since despite him being a top player the team can’t take on the price point and improve the D adequately.

    I’m not sure, to be honest. I think they are set on LW if they do nothing, but something tells me that if Lucic gets free PC will try to sign him and then make things work afterward (likely trade).

  86. Water Fire says:

    Bettman is no fool. As a lawyer I’m sure he knew the emails could come out, and to mess with them would have terrible optics and possible legal ramifications.

    So instead he laced them with that he believed the cause was pre-existing conditions and that the mean old NHLPA wouldn’t let them interfere with non-hockey pugilist’s chances of an NHL career or payday. The legal defence already begun should things ever get very far.

    This ‘concern’ for people without enough ability to play in the league combined with a lack of concern for it’s capable and especially best players creates a perfectly pitched cognitive dissonance.

  87. Lowetide says:

    Frank the dog: I’m very sorry to hear that. I found that part of your analysis really interesting, and even I jokingly asked you why you hated somebody once or twice. Damn sorry I did that in retrospect.

    Something I do utterly detest is to see some knives come out for Yak. Mostly elsewhere, but a bit on this site yesterday if I recall correctly.

    I am fine with ‘why do you hate, Smid LT?’ and please keep doing so. What I object to is writing something that DOES NOT frame a player in a negative light and then being told I want to dump him just as he is becoming useful. I am afraid people don’t read my words closely enough, and am damned tired of being labeled as disliking one player or another. I do not accept the criticism, and will not comment on prospects in that manner again. We will have to come up with a work around.

    That said, why do you hate Ladislav Smid? is a staple, not specific (really) and not targeted at my integrity in any way. Please continue!

  88. Lowetide says:

    SoCaloil:
    Im
    Lowetide,

    Lowetide,

    Lowetide,

    I’m not sure what you’re saying here
    All I’m saying is I don’t see that happening
    Nothing personal

    Claiming scrivens makes no sense. Give talbot the last three starts.He’s still young and needs NHL games and the schedule allows it.Brossoit trains in the big leagues, collects a good paycheck and gets in proper practices.Good for confidence.Send him down after season

    Sorry, quote the wrong item. Lol. Man, that didn’t make sense with your comment, must have been confusing.

  89. G Money says:

    Lowetide,

    Why do you hate SoCalOil, LT?

  90. Lowetide says:

    SoCaloil:
    With all do respect LT, your second roster assumes trading Nuge for Vatanen
    ANA has Getz, Kessler, and Rackell at C, and Nate Thompson is signed for the 4C.role next year.
    That does not make much sense.

    One of the things I looked at in Anaheim is their centers. Both Getzlaf and Kesler are players who we might consider being outside their prime and that is a dangerous spot. They do have Rakell coming up and he looks fabulous, except the faceoff circle (43.7 percent).

    I think Nuge is the kind of player you acquire even with too much depth, and Bob Murray is going to know RNH being available (if it comes to be) doesn’t come along every summer. Nuge himself is not a great faceoff man (44.6 this season, 43 percent for career) so could be used on a line with another center (perhaps a righty).

    The idea of having too many centers (I think) goes away when a player the calibre of Nuge possibly comes available.

  91. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    Lowetide,

    Why do you hate SoCalOil, LT?

    Sideburns!

  92. square_wheels says:

    rickithebear,

    Ricky – you had me until Brodin.

    He’s a guy you value ?

  93. Thorin says:

    I didn’t know the origin of the “why do you hate X” meme, but always saw it as a tongue-in-cheek inside-joke kinda thing. But then I’ve been reading/lurking for several years before I finally posted for the first time.

    Can we please continue on with all the other memes, though? It’s part of what makes reading the comments here so brilliant, trying to figure out how we came to the following:

    – regressing to the meat
    – sock whiskey
    – buy him some bee repellent

    etc

    edit: please list your favourite memes that started on Lowetide

  94. Professor Q says:

    I really don’t know what the NHL will do now that the emails are out.

    They have to address the Keith play and address it hard, as well as the Virtanen play

    Come on, he’s known for those hits and even admitted that when he saw Polak, Polak had already moved the puck…he admitted to the hit being late by virtue of not seeing Polak until AFTER he passed the puck, but still ‘wanted to finish his check’…this is the mentality that needs to change if players are to be safe.

    Yet I do not trust the NHL with consistency, even after being exposed.

  95. Professor Q says:

    Water Fire:
    Bettman is no fool. As a lawyer I’m sure he knew the emails could come out, and to mess with them would have terrible optics and possible legal ramifications.

    So instead he laced them with that he believed the cause was pre-existing conditions and that the mean old NHLPA wouldn’t let them interfere with non-hockey pugilist’s chances of an NHL career or payday. The legal defence already begun should things ever get very far.

    This ‘concern’ for people without enough ability to play in the league combined with a lack of concern for it’s capable and especially best players creates a perfectly pitched cognitive dissonance.

    Yet it means nothing when other leagues are coming out and saying they knew, and covered it up, and now are admitting that the various factors are linked, and even NHL executives are slipping up and admitting they knew, which obviously the players have been saying.

    I’m glad Shanahan got out of that crowd, but damn, what it must have been like for him to be in it when he was.

  96. Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons says:

    Thorin,

    “Get yer shine box!” needs to somehow get back in the rotation even with Schremp gone.

  97. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide: One of the things I looked at in Anaheim is their centers. Both Getzlaf and Kesler are players who we might consider being outside their prime and that is a dangerous spot. They do have Rakell coming up and he looks fabulous, except the faceoff circle (43.7 percent).

    I think Nuge is the kind of player you acquire even with too much depth, and Bob Murray is going to know RNH being available (if it comes to be) doesn’t come along every summer. Nuge himself is not a great faceoff man (44.6 this season, 43 percent for career) so could be used on a line with another center (perhaps a righty).

    The idea of having too many centers (I think) goes away when a player the calibre of Nuge possibly comes available.

    Which Edmonton would relearn quickly after trading him.

    Sigh.

  98. Lowetide says:

    Professor Q: Which Edmonton would relearn quickly after trading him.

    Sigh.

    Yes. A very questionable decision imo, I put David Backes in my lineup above but if you don’t get him—and can’t replace Nuge—you are in a very bad way.

  99. Spoils says:

    What about teams with young players that could be #1Ds? Hedman juniors… You don’t win cups without #1s – Keith, Doughty etc.

    Those possible rosters are all better, but they are not cup winning teams. This is my plan:

    1) Focus 100% on the McDavid cluster
    2) Trade for candidates that could become a #1Ds. With D it takes 300 games, but if you get a couple guys to go with Nurse and Klefbom, i think you will find your way there, and maybe you hit the jackpot.
    3) Lock your NEW core in asap – that was one of the smart moves (the 3 long 6M deals) that we should replicate with the new core – Leon, McD, Nurse/Klef/???, ??? – cap is key.

    Our high pick can’t be a D since that will take too long. near impossible to get a current #1 (Keith). so that means you need to roll the dice. go after one or two young D that have a chance at being #1s. Accept that Klef and Nurse will be good NHL D but are only top pairing guys and not #1s.

    (4 types of D – #1, Top pair, bottom pair, AHL)

    Get the #1D. Keep McDavid. fill in around them. win a cup.

    no #1D – no cup.

  100. RJ2016 says:

    Every 18-year old (except McDavid) struggles at some point. I’d rather see him do it in the AHL rather than Edmonton. He’d also get a ton of playing time, ES/PP. I can wait a year to see them in Edmonton.

    At some point, one would hope player development would start to be done properly.

    OF17: Downside is they lose a year of the ELC, which could be a pretty big deal. Having a player of Laine’s calibre at $900K plus bonuses in the 19/20 season would be huge. All indications point to that being a huge value contract.

    Of course burning a year in the AHL means the next contract will be more affordable, and it’s possible that the AHL would prepare him better for the NHL than the SHL would, but I think the tradeoff of staggering ELCs is worth it. Laine would be a bargain at just the right time.

  101. prairieschooner says:

    This posters here are well capable of adding humorous contributions without going to the same well again and again.You guys were getting lazy!
    You are all funnier than that and for the “others”……… the boot has come down
    Can the Oilers swap Brossoit for the guy in Bakersfield and have him ride the pine up here while Talbot does the remaining games, and Brossoit helps Bakersfield

  102. Gordies Elbow says:

    I could see an off-season like the following.

    – Eberle and Fayne for Hamonic and Grabovski. Brooklyn saves $5.25m over the life of the contracts, gets a scoring winger to replace Okposo, a serviceable defender to replace some of Hamonic’s minutes, and out from under Grabovski’s contract (which has him owed $11m over the next two seasons, according to General Fanager.)
    – Re-sign Gryba (coaches and GM seem to like him)
    – Sign Weise (fits the player mold that Chia’s aiming for.)
    – Sign a reasonable backup.
    – Buyout Ference and Korpikowski.
    – Reasonable contracts for the RFA’s (Kassian)

    Hall – Nuge – Draisaitl
    Maroon – McDavid – Kassian
    Pouliot – Grabovski – Yakupov
    Hendricks – Letestu – Weise
    Kharia – Pakarinen

    Klefbom – Hamonic
    Davidson – Sekera
    Reinhart/Nurse – Gryba

    Talbot
    Backup.

    Starting to look like a Chiarelli/McLellan type of team.

  103. Psyche says:

    It’s interesting and curious to see the lack of discussion on TSN and Sportsnet about the recent release of NHL office emails. I imagine Rogers has quarantined the topic and/or numerous employees are covering their asses as we speak.

    It’s disappointing to see journalists not doing their job and reporting the news. I’m sure there is more we don’t know than we do, but acknowledging the topic would be a good first step.

  104. Jordan says:

    Thorin,

    I’ve had almost a decade to evaluate the different memes that have come and after discussing with Toonces, I need more time to evaluate before making any decisions.

    If the Magnificent Bastard hadn’t been messed around and over-ruled by his managers and the owner so much, the Oilers would have been a much better by now. But Coke Machines and Mountain Men are like an addiction here – Like Coke? I blame Fuhr.

    Any Real Hockey Fan knows that its gritensity and muscular thighs and high character that win hockey games – if you don’t know that, get your head out of you keyboard and go watch a game you 2nd tier fan!

    In their efforts to change the culture in Oilcountry, the Oilers have turned more corners than the Griswolds. Hey! There’s Big Ben, kids!. The Oilers aren’t going in circles though – they’re spiraling – we just don’t know if it’s up or down.

    Ivv hu hiv soofert hinoov in hwatchink dis team hloose, hu gots to dry Comrade Horcov Wundka. Meed wiv hwon hondread pourcent hreal tears hov Ryehan Smit frum Feruary too-towsand sewen – for ha bourn honly han Hoiler fan can wuve.

  105. Henry says:

    Psyche:
    It’s interesting and curious to see the lack of discussion on TSN and Sportsnet about the recent release of NHL office emails. I imagine Rogers has quarantined the topic and/or numerous employees are covering their asses as we speak.

    It’s disappointing to see journalists not doing their job and reporting the news. I’m sure there is more we don’t know than we do, but acknowledging the topic would be a good first step.

    Where are these emails? Are they unabridged? Thanks.

  106. Psyche says:

    Henry,

    I came across this story in the Globe and Mail. At the end of the story you can access all the documents (emails).

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/kelly-unsealed-emails-show-an-nhl-in-midst-of-an-existential-crisis/article29419071/

  107. Ducey says:

    Jordan:
    Thorin,

    I’ve had almost a decade to evaluate the different memes that have come and after discussing with Toonces, I need more time to evaluate before making any decisions.

    If the Magnificent Bastard hadn’t been messed around and over-ruled by his managers and the owner so much, the Oilers would have been a much better by now.But Coke Machines and Mountain Men are like an addiction here – Like Coke?I blame Fuhr.

    Any Real Hockey Fan knows that its gritensity and muscular thighs and high character that win hockey games – if you don’t know that, get your head out of you keyboard and go watch a game you 2nd tier fan!

    In their efforts to change the culture in Oilcountry, the Oilers have turned more corners than the Griswolds.Hey!There’s Big Ben, kids!.The Oilers aren’t going in circles though – they’re spiraling – we just don’t know if it’s up or down.

    Ivv hu hiv soofert hinoov in hwatchink dis team hloose, hu gots to dry Comrade Horcov Wundka.Meed wiv hwon hondread pourcent hreal tears hov Ryehan Smit frum Feruary too-towsand sewen – for ha bourn honly han Hoiler fan can wuve.

    Fuck off Bookjie!

  108. Lowetide says:

    If you had some of your posts deleted, I apologize. We are having a respect issue, hopefully it will end soon. Thanks!

  109. Psyche says:

    I’d imagine there are plenty of folks in and around the NHL community who are changing their emails today. It’s all in the nearly 300 documents released. Now is your chance to email anyone from Gary Bettman to Kevin Lowe! 🙂

  110. Jaxon says:

    Gonna throw a bunch of ideas out and see what sticks…

    Re-sign RW Zack Kassian
    Re-sign RW Iiro Pakarinen
    Re-sign RD Eric Gryba
    Re-sign LD Jordan Oesterle
    Convince LD Ziyat Paigin to break his contract and come over to play in Bakersfield this fall
    Trade LW Lauri Korpikoski and LD Caleb Jones to CBJ for RD Michael Paliotta and LW Kerby Rychel
    Pick RW Jesse Puljujarvi @ #2 or #3
    Sign UFA RD Jason Demers
    Sign UFA G Chad Johnson

    I’m happy with keeping Nail, but if not, possible Yakupov Trades:
    Nail Yakupov and David Musil to WSH for Madison Bowey and Riley Barber?
    Nail Yakupov and Brandon Davidson (or LaLeggia, Oesterle, Simpson?) to TBL for Jonathan Drouin and Matthew Spencer?

    Would anyone trade something like Brandon Davidson and Mitch Moroz to BUF for Mark Pysyk and Justin Bailey (or Nicholas Baptiste)?

    Next Summer Sign UFA RD Brent Burns.

    LW / C / RW
    Maroon / McDavid / Eberle
    Hall / Draisaitl / Kassian
    Pouliot / Nugent-Hopkins / Puljujarvi
    Slepyshev / Yakimov / Yakupov (Drouin/Barber)
    Rychel / Lander / Pakarinen
    Kharia / Platzer / Bailey (Baptiste)

    LD / RD
    Klefbom / Burns
    Paigin / Demers
    Sekera / Fayne – this $9M pair could come off the books by the summer of 2019 (trade Sekera in 2019, Fayne expires in 2018)
    Davidson / Gryba – this pair could be traded for assets
    Reinhart / Pysyk – Oil Kings pair
    Nurse / Bowey – Team Canada 2015 Juniors
    LaLeggia / Paliotta
    Lagesson / Bear

    G
    Talbot
    Johnson
    Brossoit

  111. speeds says:

    OF17: Downside is they lose a year of the ELC, which could be a pretty big deal. Having a player of Laine’s calibre at $900K plus bonuses in the 19/20 season would be huge. All indications point to that being a huge value contract.

    Of course burning a year in the AHL means the next contract will be more affordable, and it’s possible that the AHL would prepare him better for the NHL than the SHL would, but I think the tradeoff of staggering ELCs is worth it. Laine would be a bargain at just the right time.

    A player like Laine or Puljujarvi wouldn’t burn an ELC year if they played all of next year in the AHL – the contract would slide.

  112. AsiaOil says:

    With all due respect LT – you proposed lineups totally ignore the fact that this team will very likely finish dead fucking last again this season. Yes injuries – but finishing dead fucking last is stunning evidence that the players throughout the roster have serious issues. Adding Stepniak and a 2nd pair dman doesn’t fix it and neither will waiting for old man strength and development in players who are in their mid-20s. They are what they are.

    I’m not going to waste time creating fantasy rosters – but mark my words – at least two of Yak, Ebs, RNH and Hall will be traded this summer (in that order of likelihood) for no other reason that the expansion draft. We should protect 8 skaters to keep our centers and dmen and expose 2nd line wingers like Pouliot. The only winger I even think about protecting is Hall.

    There will be blood this summer and the team will look far different after the summer. This is McDavid’s team but you couldn’t give a raw rookie the reins this year. But next year is different and the kid has the chops to be captain. Only question for me is whether Taylor Hall is willing to be a follower. Up to him whether he stays or goes.

  113. Professor Q says:

    speeds: A player like Laine or Puljujarvi wouldn’t burn an ELC year if they played all of next year in the AHL – the contract would slide.

    Plus, this is a ridiculous argument at any rate. Arguing about value contracts and 3-year windows and bonus costs and development etc. and somehow expecting to do them all at the same time without the drawbacks of them all.

    Can’t have everything.

  114. who says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    I could see an off-season like the following.

    – Eberle and Fayne for Hamonic and Grabovski. Brooklyn saves $5.25m over the life of the contracts, gets a scoring winger to replace Okposo, a serviceable defender to replace some of Hamonic’s minutes, and out from under Grabovski’s contract (which has him owed $11m over the next two seasons, according to General Fanager.)– Re-sign Gryba (coaches and GM seem to like him)– Sign Weise (fits the player mold that Chia’s aiming for.)– Sign a reasonable backup.– Buyout Ference and Korpikowski.– Reasonable contracts for the RFA’s (Kassian)

    Hall – Nuge – Draisaitl
    Maroon – McDavid – Kassian
    Pouliot – Grabovski – Yakupov
    Hendricks – Letestu – Weise
    Kharia – Pakarinen

    Klefbom – Hamonic
    Davidson – Sekera
    Reinhart/Nurse – Gryba

    Talbot
    Backup.

    Starting to look like a Chiarelli/McLellan type of team.

    Your first two ideas make a lot of sense and taking on Grabovskis salary might be enough to get Snow to take Fayne. It does improve the depth at center but does not get us the big right hand center that everyone is asking for. Would not hate this trade or the resigning of Gryba. Would go with Pardy or Musil as the 7th d man and let Nurse, Griff and Oesterle fight it out for third pairing with Gryba.
    If this move were made it leaves the Oilers free to move a lefty d man for a righty if they want better balance, however, I would be very leary of trading Klef, Nurse or Griff. I suspect that we have the pieces to a pretty good d core in 2 or 3 years. And they are right under our nose. Add Hamonic and you have the perfect d cluster for MacDavid

  115. vinotintazo says:

    AsiaOil:
    With all due respect LT – you proposed lineups totally ignore the fact that this team will very likely finish dead fucking last again this season. Yes injuries – but finishing dead fucking last is stunning evidence that the players throughout the roster have serious issues. Adding Stepniak and a 2nd pair dman doesn’t fix it and neither will waiting for old man strength and development in players who are in their mid-20s. They are what they are.

    I’m not going to waste time creating fantasy rosters – but mark my words – at least two of Yak, Ebs, RNH and Hall will be traded this summer (in that order of likelihood) for no other reason that the expansion draft. We should protect 8 skaters to keep our centers and dmen and expose 2nd line wingers like Pouliot. The only winger I even think about protecting is Hall.

    There will be blood this summer and the team will look far different after the summer. This is McDavid’s team but you couldn’t give a raw rookie the reins this year. But next year is different and the kid has the chops to be captain. Only question for me is whether Taylor Hall is willing to be a follower. Up to him whether he stays or goes.

    There has been an improvement, I think last year we were out of the Playoffs by 30 some points, right now its only 18ish, so 9 more wins do able adding a #3 Dman? and healthy Kbom/McDavid? I’d Say yes just imo.

  116. commonfan14 says:

    People thinking about the Finns are wasting their time. The Oiler logo will not be appearing on a bronze or silver card.

    There are two possibilities and only two:

    1. The Oilers finish 30th and end up with the 4th pick.
    2. The Oilers finish higher than 30th and end up with the 1st pick.

  117. vinotintazo says:

    commonfan14: 1. The Oilers finish 30th and end up with the 4th pick.
    2. The Oilers finish higher than 30th and end up with the 1st pick.

    and you based that on?

    do not understimate the power of the lottery of the Oil. We’ve got 3 cracks at it this year!!

  118. Generational Poster says:

    With how scarce “true” #1D are / how rarely they are moved, combined with how much PC and TMc value Nuge & multiple centers in the top 6 in general, I have a hard time seeing how a plausible RNH trade would come together. The only argument I have seen for moving Nuge (over Eberle) is that he is more valuable. I can’t argue that, but the difference in their value becomes irrelevant if you can’t find someone willing to pay what you need.

    Eberle is a proven 25-30 goal guy and that is not to be taken lightly, but what is the impact on net goals if you can add a solid #2 d-man and add a proven 20 goal guy and more cagey / two-way type like a Brouwer in FA?

    To me, the Oilers need to stack as many 2,3,4 young dmen as they can and hope one emerges as a “true” #1.

  119. dangilitis says:

    Lowetide: Actually, the trade is quite substantial, but sadly I am no longer willing to post it. For too long, and it is my fault, people have been reacting as if I somehow hate players, or have it in for them. Makes our conversations less fun, but you know what really isn’t fun? Being accused of burying a 22-year old out of hate.

    That I do not accept as a criticism.

    You are definitely entitled to do things as you wish, LT, it is your site and you’ve worked damn hard to build it up.

    However, I will say to you that I really enjoy when you specifically voice your opinions on certain players. After 10 years of playoff failures, the fan base is pretty forlorn right now, and I personally would welcome the discussion of specific ideas and proposals that could make this team competitive again. Not everyone may agree with you, but it generates great discussion and makes me more optimistic that a few changes can put this team back into the playoffs. This thin thread of hope that I clutch to is all I have going for me right now as a fan, and I had the fortune of being in the building for 2 of the most exciting Oiler playoff matches over the past 20 years (1997 4-3 comeback vs. Stars and 2006 triple OT winner vs. Sharks).

    Last, only morons would suggest that you do not care or respect the development of prospects and players less than draft +5, or that giving is not necessary in order to receive…

  120. Lowetide says:

    AsiaOil:
    With all due respect LT – you proposed lineups totally ignore the fact that this team will very likely finish dead fucking last again this season. Yes injuries – but finishing dead fucking last is stunning evidence that the players throughout the roster have serious issues.

    I think it shows that the Oilers have had issues with building a balanced roster. I don’t have Woodguy’s handy dandy defensemen with Hall on the ice stats, but they are real and they are spectacularly awful. Fix the defense. I do agree that Nuge and Yak are probably gone.

  121. Ducey says:

    vinotintazo: There has been an improvement, I think last year we were out of the Playoffs by 30 some points, right now its only 18ish, so 9 more wins do able adding a #3 Dman? andhealthy Kbom/McDavid? I’d Say yes just imo.

    I agree.

    The Oilers are 15 points behind COL who are in 18th overall. DET is in 16th and is -14 in the GD’s. The Oilers are at -40.

    So we are looking at an extra Bettman point every 5 games and shaving something like a goal every second game off the GD’s.

    Health alone could make up a lot of that difference.

  122. delooper says:

    Chachi:
    When people use the phrases “with all due respect” and “nothing personal” why does it always seem like whatever they say along with those phrases can be taken very personally and demonstrate a great lack of respect.I know that I do this myself from time to time.For example, with all due respect, anyone who attacks the author and fine and generous host of this blog with passive aggressive comments is an asshole.Nothing personal.

    I think it’s all Bookje’s fault.

    For everyone’s information, I had not noticed the trend of people saying things like “why do you hate X” in earnest. I’ve always taken it to be Pronger-era silliness. I must be misunderstanding a bunch of people. There’s more than a few people on this forum that make no sense to me… so some things are coming-together.

  123. Henry says:

    Psyche,

    Thanks very much!

  124. commonfan14 says:

    vinotintazo: and you based that on?

    The Hockey Gods are not so difficult to decipher.

    Another 30th place finish will not be rewarded. These last three games are big.

  125. McSorley33 says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!,

    You are offering Mark Fayne…….

  126. Walter Sobchak says:

    Serious question.

    Something is bugging me about the Demers to the Oilers, if the analytics show this guy as a top pairing defender, then why isn’t the Stars moving the earth to sign him? The stars aren’t all that blessed with top pairing defensemen.

    The other is, how much do the Oilers have to overpay to bring him in, and if the Stars aren’t sold on this guy then are the Oilers buying damaged goods at an inflated price?

    For the record, I’m getting the vibe from Chairelli and McLellan that RNH might be off limits, yet, I get a strong feeling that Backes will be an Oiler.

    Just my two cents

    Keep turning out strong articles, love to read here.

  127. vinotintazo says:

    any hope Dante Fabbro makes it to the 2nd round? he shoots right…

  128. vinotintazo says:

    Walter Sobchak: The other is, how much do the Oilers have to overpay to bring him in, and if the Stars aren’t sold on this guy then are the Oilers buying damaged goods at an inflated price?

    Kilnberg will be their Top Pairing D. Maybe Demers wants to test FA (will get paid more).
    They also need to Sign Goligoski.

  129. godot10 says:

    Mark Fayne is a 3rd pairing defensemen at best. Any roster where he is in the top 4 is a recipe for continued disaster. The Oilers either have to acquire enough defensemen so that he is either gone in a trade or pushed down to 3rd pairing RD.

  130. AsiaOil says:

    Lowetide: I think it shows that the Oilers have had issues with building a balanced roster. I don’t have Woodguy’s handy dandy defensemen with Hall on the ice stats, but they are real and they are spectacularly awful. Fix the defense. I do agree that Nuge and Yak are probably gone.

    Sure it’s obvious the team is better this year and we are more like a bubble squad (e.g. COL) having a bad season and tons of injuries than the tire fires in TOR or VAN. But still – dead fucking last.

    I would sacrifice the wingers way before RNH. As other have said – small scoring wingers are nice to have – but they are replaceable. Ebs has only scored 30+ once in his career and that was a while ago. He’s a solid 25 goal a year guy but doesn’t bring a whole lot else (size, grit, defense, leadership) and is replaceable – simply is. Yak has been a tough fit from the start and has been mismanaged. I don’t see any way out of this situation now even if he still does have the potential to match Ebs output at half the cost and bring a bit more grit. Too late for that now – he’s gonzo. That leaves Hall and RNH and it’s really Hall’s call whether he wants to stay and play 2nd fiddle to CMD. I would only deal RNH if we get real value and can obtain another bigger RHC like Hanzal or Berglund – but for now – I’d keep the young C.

    But realistically all of these guys could be moved – even Hall – and we will see how the summer unfolds. Too much uncertainty right now (Hall said as much) to make any predictions.

  131. who says:

    Walter Sobchak:
    Serious question.

    Something is bugging me about the Demers to the Oilers, if the analytics show this guy as a top pairing defender, then why isn’t the Stars moving the earth to sign him? The stars aren’t all that blessed with top pairing defensemen.

    The other is, how much do the Oilers have to overpay to bring him in, and if the Stars aren’t sold on this guy then are the Oilers buying damaged goods at an inflated price?

    For the record, I’m getting the vibe from Chairelli and McLellan that RNH might be off limits, yet, I get a strong feeling that Backes will be an Oiler.

    Just my two cents

    Keep turning out strong articles, love to read here.

    I am very worried about a Demers overpay. I know the stats crowd will disagree, but I see him as a solid second pairing guy. I rate him as a slight down grade from Sekera and I really hope the Oilers dont commit too much money or term to him. Would very much prefer Hamonic.
    I also think that Backes and Nuge can coexist on the same team

  132. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I think it shows that the Oilers have had issues with building a balanced roster. I don’t have Woodguy’s handy dandy defensemen with Hall on the ice stats, but they are real and they are spectacularly awful. Fix the defense. I do agree that Nuge and Yak are probably gone.

    What did you want to see?

    CF% WOWY or GF% WOWY?

  133. Walter Sobchak says:

    vinotintazo,

    vinotintazo: Kilnberg will be their Top Pairing D. Maybe Demers wants to test FA (will get paid more).
    They also need to Sign Goligoski.

    See, this where the confusion starts with me, is Goligoski better than Demers, I’ve read he’s no where near then I’ve heard arguments for?

    Ether way, why would the Star’s let three of these guys get to UFA status?

    You basically have Klingberg and Oduya as Stars main Dman…..That’s not convincing me that Demers is hitting the open market.

  134. McSorley33 says:

    I agree with WG premise about Anaheim likely moving a D.

    But the cost cited is way too low ….Imo

    Pouliot and Yak seem really low to me. If Murray wants a big LW, why not just Lucic?

    I think it is going to at least take an Eberle or RNH get 1 of the 3 young D out of Anaheim. Seth Jones cost quite a bit for Columbus…

    I would be ecstatic to be proven wrong by PC.

  135. Chachi says:

    delooper: I think it’s all Bookje’s fault.

    For everyone’s information, I had not noticed the trend of people saying things like “why do you hate X” in earnest.I’ve always taken it to be Pronger-era silliness.I must be misunderstanding a bunch of people. There’s more than a few people on this forum that make no sense to me… so some things are coming-together.

    Damn Bookjie! No offence Bookjie.

  136. Woodguy says:

    McSorley33:
    I agree with WG premise about Anaheim likely moving a D.

    But the cost cited is way too low ….Imo

    Pouliot and Yak seem really low to me. If Murray wants a big LW, why not just Lucic?

    I think it is going to at least take an Eberle or RNH get 1 of the 3 young D out of Anaheim. Seth Jones cost quite a bit for Columbus…

    I would be ecstatic to be proven wrong by PC.

    Pouliot and Yak will fill two top 9 spots for the cost of one Lucic.

    Remember, they are a budget team and Murray has given way too much $$$ to Kesler starting next year.

  137. Woodguy says:

    Here’s how Hall affects each’s Oiler Dman’s GoalsFor% (GF%)

    SEKERA, ANDREJ 14.6
    NURSE, DARNELL 8.6
    FAYNE, MARK 16.7
    DAVIDSON, BRANDON 33.8
    GRYBA, ERIC 25.2
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR 24
    REINHART, GRIFFIN 24.7

    That is, quite literally, insane.

  138. Chachi says:

    vinotintazo:
    any hope Dante Fabbro makes it to the 2nd round? he shoots right…

    I think Dante makes it all the way from Inferno right through Purgatorio and settles into Paradiso.

  139. Woodguy says:

    Here’s how Hall affects the corsis (CF%)

    Not as stark, but remember that when they play with Hall they are usually playing against the best so the its tougher to get corsis.

    SEKERA, ANDREJ 4.5
    NURSE, DARNELL 8.4
    FAYNE, MARK 4.9
    DAVIDSON, BRANDON -1.6
    GRYBA, ERIC 6.4
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR 3.5
    REINHART, GRIFFIN 3.9

  140. Lowetide says:

    dangilitis: You are definitely entitled to do things as you wish, LT, it is your site and you’ve worked damn hard to build it up.

    However, I will say to you that I really enjoy when you specifically voice your opinions on certain players. After 10 years of playoff failures, the fan base is pretty forlorn right now, and I personally would welcome the discussion of specific ideas and proposals that could make this team competitive again. Not everyone may agree with you, but it generates great discussion and makes me more optimistic that a few changes can put this team back into the playoffs. This thin thread of hope that I clutch to is all I have going for me right now as a fan, and I had the fortune of being in the building for 2 of the most exciting Oiler playoff matches over the past 20 years (1997 4-3 comeback vs. Stars and 2006 triple OT winner vs. Sharks).

    Last, only morons would suggest that you do not care or respect the development of prospects and players less than draft +5, or that giving is not necessary in order to receive…

    I appreciate this post, thanks.

    Everyone:

    Okay, we will try it one more time. But here’s the deal: I don’t hate your favorite player. Honestly. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is my favorite Oiler and my favorite prospect is Ethan Bear. I have a bias toward WHL players, have stated that and I believe I have made all of these things known. The rest I cheer for, but do not at any time actively try to sewer them on this site. Honestly, that really upsets me that people think there is an agenda here.

    That said, I will give my opinions on players and we will see how it goes.

  141. vinotintazo says:

    Walter Sobchak: See, this where the confusion starts with me, is Goligoski better than Demers, I’ve read he’s no where near then I’ve heard arguments for?

    Ether way, why would the Star’s let three of these guys get to UFA status?

    You basically have Klingberg and Oduya as Stars main Dman…..That’s not convincing me that Demers is hitting the open market.

    They might not be able to afford both Goligoski and Demers, Goligoski is a better puckmover.

    They might have to wait for the off season to consider keeping both. If they do, they have to make cap room for them.

    just checked nhlnumbers.com and these guys are spending 10M on goalies + 4M on hemsky, before they can sign Goligoski or Demers they have to make room first. Will they? idk.

  142. Woodguy says:

    Here’s almost every Oiler that matter and their Goals For % when they are not with Hall:

    DRAISAITL, LEON 50
    TALBOT, CAM 41.4
    PURCELL, TEDDY 37.5
    SEKERA, ANDREJ 36.8
    NILSSON, ANDERS 37.1
    NURSE, DARNELL 37.3
    FAYNE, MARK 35
    NUGENT-HOPKINS, RYAN 37.5
    DAVIDSON, BRANDON 41.2
    GRYBA, ERIC 39.5
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR 34.8
    KASSIAN, ZACK 27.8
    REINHART, GRIFFIN 35.3
    EBERLE, JORDAN 43.7
    PAKARINEN, IIRO 38.9
    MCDAVID, CONNOR 47.1
    OESTERLE, JORDAN 83.3
    BROSSOIT, LAURENT 20
    LETESTU, MARK 29.5

    That is incredible, almost impossible.

    McDavid, Hall, DrySaddle are the only 3 I’m really worried about sticking around for next year.

    RNH’s history has me liking him too, but lordy this year has not been good.

  143. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: What did you want to see?

    CF% WOWY or GF% WOWY?

    I like the Corgis but either works! Thanks!

  144. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Here’s almost every Oiler that matter and their Goals For % when they are not with Hall:

    DRAISAITL, LEON50
    TALBOT, CAM41.4
    PURCELL, TEDDY37.5
    SEKERA, ANDREJ36.8
    NILSSON, ANDERS37.1
    NURSE, DARNELL37.3
    FAYNE, MARK35
    NUGENT-HOPKINS, RYAN37.5
    DAVIDSON, BRANDON41.2
    GRYBA, ERIC39.5
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR34.8
    KASSIAN, ZACK27.8
    REINHART, GRIFFIN35.3
    EBERLE, JORDAN43.7
    PAKARINEN, IIRO38.9
    MCDAVID, CONNOR47.1
    OESTERLE, JORDAN83.3
    BROSSOIT, LAURENT20
    LETESTU, MARK29.5

    That is incredible, almost impossible.

    McDavid, Hall, DrySaddle are the only 3 I’m really worried about sticking around for next year.

    RNH’s history has me liking him too, but lordy this year has not been good.

    Wow.

  145. Mustard Tiger says:

    I do like the GF% stat, but is that not just +/- expressed in a slightly different way?

  146. Centre of attention says:

    Woodguy,

    Lowetide,

    Mind you, the time spent away from Hall was with Korpikoski and Yak, no? Who were Nuges next most common wingers? Eb’s and Pou weren’t always staples, and they had their own struggles.

    There are reasons for this bad year. He was reported to be sick for a good portion of his early season, combine that with Eberle being ice cold and you have a “bad year” that had less to do with Nuge’s individual performance IMO. He was rock solid once reunited with Hall&Drai but then a concussion which was again not really his fault.

    A very unlucky year sounds better. Nuge is a fantastic player.

    just my 2 cents on the Nuge situation.

  147. Norman Greenbaum says:

    Lowetide:
    If you had some of your posts deleted, I apologize. We are having a respect issue, hopefully it will end soon. Thanks!

    Not sure I like some posts being deleted for lack of respect whilst the post above your one LT is telling someone to fuck off.

    So which are meant as a joke and which aren’t? And if it’s meant as a joke do we have to toughen up? Do we rev up the outrage bus when we perceive it not to be? Surely what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    You know what? Fuck it. See you all later. And I hate doing this, because it’s easily the best blog out there, Oilers or otherwise. But while it’s acceptable for some to tell people to ‘fuck off’ and other posts get deleted for I don’t know what, presumably it’s worse than ‘fucking off’, it’s hard to stay here. I’ll still read every day, but i’ll leave you guys to the minutae.

    And yes, I had a post deleted because, I think, I called Godot ‘Mrs. Musil’ for his avid defense of young Musil. It wasn’t disrespectful, and LT can repost it for the kangaroo court if it please him, unless Mrs. Musil complained about being called Godot. But you can tell someone to fuck off. Repeatedly.

    Maybe you guys never see this, I hope you do. LT doesn’t strike me as petty. So rip away on me it’s ok.

    In the words of Captain Oates: I’m just going outside and may be some time.

  148. Woodguy says:

    vinotintazo: They might not be able to afford both Goligoski and Demers, Goligoski is a better puckmover.

    They might have to wait for the off season to consider keeping both. If they do, they have to make cap room for them.

    just checked nhlnumbers.com and these guys are spending 10M on goalies + 4M on hemsky, before they can sign Goligoski or Demers they have to make room first. Will they? idk.

    The issue with DAL isn’t next year, its the year after.

    Jamie Benn is UFA in 17/18 and he’s top 5 in the NHL, so that means $10MM or so (probably)

    They could have both Goligoski and Demers come back for next year, but the year after it becomes tight.

    I said Nill mis-spent on goalies the day he signed Niemi and its looking like I’m right given their $10.4MM in goalies has delivered the 27th best team SV% in the NHL this year.

    June 29th thread: http://lowetide.ca/2015/06/29/dollar-sign-on-the-muscle-3/comment-page-1/#comment-427605

  149. John Chambers says:

    Centre of attention,

    Nuge’s ppg was around .67 when he broke his hand. It was production befitting of a high-calibre 2C.

    Too bad about the injury though, he might’ve chinned the bar on a 50-pt season for the first time in his career.

  150. Woodguy says:

    Mustard Tiger:
    I do like the GF% stat, but is that not just +/- expressed in a slightly different way?

    Expressed this way, then yes, so its best to put a PDO next the to the number.

  151. Woodguy says:

    Norman Greenbaum: Fuck off Bookjie!

    Ducey was indeed telling someone to fuck off:

    Fuck off Bookjie!

    That was in regards to memes that originated on this site.

    Telling Bookie to fuck off, believe it or not, is a meme here.

  152. commonfan14 says:

    Woodguy: I suspect the Nuge is going somewhere
    Why do you do this to yourself?
    Spector is the only guy who had Nuge going anywhere.
    Lebrun (seems to be Chia’s unofficial mouthpiece) had him not offered anywhere.

    Spector said something to Cox on twitter yesterday regarding the Vesey thing to the effect that if Poile says something, you can take it to the bank.

    Seems like a good bet that Poile was Spector’s source on the Nuge offer story.

  153. Lowetide says:

    Norman Greenbaum: Not sure I like some posts being deleted for lack of respect whilst the post above your one LT is telling someone to fuck off.

    So which are meant as a joke and which aren’t?And if it’s meant as a joke do we have to toughen up?Do we rev up the outrage bus when we perceive it not to be?Surely what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    You know what?Fuck it.See you all later.And I hate doing this, because it’s easily the best blog out there, Oilers or otherwise.But while it’s acceptable for some to tell people to ‘fuck off’ and other posts get deleted for I don’t know what, presumably it’s worse than ‘fucking off’, it’s hard to stay here.I’ll still read every day, but i’ll leave you guys to the minutae.

    And yes, I had a post deleted because, I think, I called Godot ‘Mrs. Musil’ for his avid defense of young Musil.It wasn’t disrespectful, and LT can repost it for the kangaroo court if it please him, unless Mrs. Musil complained about being called Godot.But you can tell someone to fuck off. Repeatedly.

    Maybe you guys never see this, I hope you do.LT doesn’t strike me as petty.So rip away on me it’s ok.

    In the words of Captain Oates:I’m just going outside and may be some time.

    It had absolutely nothing to do with you, but you did quote the offending post.

  154. John Chambers says:

    Norman Greenbaum,

    A bit of context: Bookje one day inserted himself into a heated argument and instructed the participants to direct their ire toward him. Hence “fuck you Bookje”, or “Bookje can go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut” have become a cheery inside joke.

    I’d prefer you stuck around, friend. There’s a lot of nuance and debate on this site but despite total arseholes like Bookje the chirping here is altogether tame.

  155. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy: The issue with DAL isn’t next year, its the year after.

    Jamie Benn is UFA in 17/18 and he’s top 5 in the NHL, so that means $10MM or so (probably)

    They could have both Goligoski and Demers come back for next year, but the year after it becomes tight.

    I said Nill mis-spent on goalies the day he signed Niemi and its looking like I’m right given their $10.4MM in goalies has delivered the 27th best team SV% in the NHL this year.

    June 29th thread: http://lowetide.ca/2015/06/29/dollar-sign-on-the-muscle-3/comment-page-1/#comment-427605

    My guess is that Dallas sends their first Rd pick to the leafs along with Lehtonen and maybe Hemsky for stick tape.

    If Clarkson, LeCavalier, and Phaneuf can be traded, I’m convinced every contract is moveable at a certain price.

  156. Woodguy says:

    John Chambers: My guess is that Dallas sends their first Rd pick to the leafs along with Lehtonen and maybe Hemsky for stick tape.

    If Clarkson, LeCavalier, and Phaneuf can be traded, I’m convinced every contract is moveable at a certain price.

    We’ll see.

    DAL is a very good team that won’t go as far as they should in the playoffs, mostly due to their goaltending.

  157. Psyche says:

    LT,

    Curious what you’re thoughts are on the NHL emails? Or should we assume it’s a conflict of interest for you to comment, as a TSN employee?

    I noticed TSN is running an email story about the NHLPA, but still no mention of the NHL office emails.

  158. Woodguy says:

    Centre of attention:
    Woodguy,

    Lowetide,

    Mind you, the time spent away from Hall was with Korpikoski and Yak, no? Who were Nuges next most common wingers? Eb’s and Pou weren’t always staples, and they had their own struggles.

    There are reasons for this bad year. He was reported to be sick for a good portion of his early season, combine that with Eberle being ice cold and you have a “bad year” that had less to do with Nuge’s individual performance IMO. He was rock solid once reunited with Hall&Drai but then a concussion which was again not really his fault.

    A very unlucky year sounds better. Nuge is a fantastic player.

    just my 2 cents on the Nuge situation.

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1535&withagainst=true&season=2015-16&sit=5v5

    RNH 735 5v5min

    Eberel 347min
    Hall 285 min
    Pou 262 min
    Purcell 90min
    Saddle 85min
    Yak 76min
    Pakarinen 65min
    Korpse 60min
    JJ 56min

  159. Lowetide says:

    Psyche:
    LT,

    Curious what you’re thoughts are on the NHL emails? Or should we assume it’s a conflict of interest for you to comment, as a TSN employee?

    I noticed TSN is running an email story about the NHLPA, but still no mention of the NHL office emails.

    I have read them and they are damaging across many lines. I am surprised by several of them, and surprised by the relationships they imply. Beyond that, I am still mulling whether or not to write about it. I don’t feel a conflict of interest, but did reach out to see if some of the folks involved were willing to discuss it. I expect we will see and hear more on the subject, perhaps that will impact my view as well. On first blush? Very surprising.

  160. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I have read them and they are damaging across many lines. I am surprised by several of them, and surprised by the relationships they imply. Beyond that, I am still mulling whether or not to write about it. I don’t feel a conflict of interest, but did reach out to see if some of the folks involved were willing to discuss it. I expect we will see and hear more on the subject, perhaps that will impact my view as well. On first blush? Very surprising.

    Bob McKenzie lobbying for a suspension for Perry floored me.

    What skin does he have in the game that makes an email like that necessary?

  161. Chachi says:

    Woodguy,

    In what other league would a member of the press even feel comfortable advocating for a suspension for something that happened during game play. Makes you wonder if previous attempts to lobby for suspensions were successful?

    I am surprised the leak did not contain a whole bunch of e-mails from Jim Matheson lobbying the league to force a Drew Stafford trade to the Oilers. His uncle Barrie worked for the Oilers you know.

  162. Johnny Larue says:

    Lowetide: No, I believe it is personal and will treat it as such. The idea that I somehow have it in for these players has grown on this site for some time. My fault. It ended yesterday. We move on.

    Lt. I have always considered this god natured ribbing . I don’t think is meant to be malicious

  163. Dustylegnd says:

    pocession charge,

    Ahhh and there is the rub, lets put off drafting or acquiring competent Defence for one more year, after all what we have has worked so well.

    The NHL landscape is changing and those teams who have excellent Defense know they hold the power to choose what they get in return. IMO the league continues to undervalue D men vs scoring forwards, until you need a true top 2 D man that is….great D men make average forwards good forwards and drive PPP, and in a 3-2 league, thats the difference in many games.

    People say Columbus over paid for Seth Jones …time will tell, but if Spec is to believed, Nashville knew they held the stronger hand and hence pick of the litter…. Nashville chose Johansen over RNH. That’s the cost of good D, accept it.

    At some point a commitment has to be made to a properly constructed roster and next year doesn’t cut it. Do draft the best available prospect, as long as you have the Stones and the Savvy to parlay the latest draft gold into what you really need.

    Brian Burke said in 2012 he felt he had drafted the best player in the draft with Morgan Rielly…turns out he is only the 2nd best player in the draft, behind Lindholm…..That is not hindsight…it is 20/20 foresight.

  164. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy: We’ll see.

    DAL is a very good team that won’t go as far as they should in the playoffs, mostly due to their goaltending.

    Agreed.

    My point however was that Nill can find the cap space to retain one of his UFA Dmen and still find money to pay Benn so long as they trade a bloated salary using a draft pick as a sweetener to get it done.

    I applaud the Leafs’ willingness to accept bad contracts in exchange for picks – it’s a novel and expensive way to re-build, but they’re sure providing Get Out Of Jail Free cards to rivals in order to get it done.

  165. rickithebear says:

    Lowetide: Honestly, that really upsets me that people think there is an agenda here.

    Ah I recognize the JW programing.
    😉

    I lived across from the guy who ran the door to door program for eastern Edmonton JW.

    My cousin was a senior Elder in the church.
    He was involved in the development of the door to door tracking program.
    Worked on in offices in Georgetown and
    regular updates to governing body in Brooklyn.

    Was pretty powerful in the Church.

    He fell in love with Japanese Buhdist. What sect I do not Know.

    The church disfellowshipped him when they married.
    Her family does not talk to her!

    Now he lives in Sweden and travels around!

    He was identified as the slow class all thru school till he went to SIAST in Moose Jaw to become a car mechanic.

    They facilitated his Math abilities.

    this is his page!

    http://webstaff.itn.liu.se/~scofo47/

    His wife is refined and from old money.

    Last time I saw him was at a wake for his mom in Regina.
    The church would not let him see his mom.
    So they Family brought her to him at my cousins house in White City!

    Proped her in the breakfast nook!

    I was half way thru a Quart sealer of the family shine.
    Compliments of 5 – 80 + years great aunts.
    Who said to me in there still visible romainian accent as I first walked in the door!
    “Ricki come have a drink with us!”

    Looked at my cousin!
    “There is a bed set for you.”

    I had seen many of the family wakes before.
    Romany Gypsy on one half.
    The ladies were my Grandmother sisters.
    My grandmothers funeral the last Wake.

    Traveling Gypsy Jew on the other.
    Frying pans with metal ladles being banged to make sure people were passed out.

    I am sure I am one of a few people on here who watched Snatch and tought of family funerals.

    Scott and his Wife drank in the Popescul way!

    We brought her back to the gathering!

    1 day later.

    All the family was invited to the service except Scott and his wife!

    Scott will Deny this ever happened!

    PS:
    As a kid wakes also meant I was going to have to kiss the cross on the Body at Rom Orthidox church following all the old ladies.

    BlKKKK!

    Cabbage rolls; Perogies and Sacremental wine at 9-13 purged any belief in holdover taste!

  166. Woodguy says:

    Chachi:
    Woodguy,

    In what other league would a member of the press even feel comfortable advocating for a suspension for something that happened during game play. Makes you wonder if previous attempts to lobby for suspensions were successful?

    I am surprised the leak did not contain a whole bunch of e-mails from Jim Matheson lobbying the league to force a Drew Stafford trade to the Oilers.His uncle Barrie worked for the Oilers you know.

    I hear they like him in his draft year too.

    Tried to trade up to get him donktchaknow?

  167. Woodguy says:

    Chachi,

    Did you catch my post at the end of last night’s thread?

  168. Chachi says:

    Woodguy,

    Just read it now. I knew what you were getting at and agree completely. I realize it might not have come out that way, long day at work and that whole forming words into legible sentences thing was not firing on all cylinders. Kind of like right now….

  169. The Hermit says:

    If someone is consistently becoming angry when discussing hockey on a blog try and take a step back and ask yourself some questions.

    Like do you often get angry when driving?

    Do you often get angry at a family member, friend, or pet?

    I am speaking from experience, I thought that my thinking was clear but I was delusional. At my sickest, if someone faced me with anger at best I would shred them with words and if they wanted to go I was all for that too.

    Anger made me crazy and I finally had to forgive my grudges to start healing.

    Carry on 🙂

  170. Psyche says:

    Lowetide,

    Thanks LT. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

    Bob McKenzie just posted this on TSN. You have to scroll down a ways to find it, so I’ve copied the section here:

    A word about the email revelations

    By now, you may be knee deep in court-ordered revelations of NHL emails that are part of the ongoing class-action concussion lawsuit from former players against the league.

    If not, you can read TSN.ca’s account of them here.

    You may also be aware that some of those emails to and/or from league executives were involving me. And that some of those emails contain some less-than-flattering remarks and inappropriate language from myself about players and their on-ice actions.

    I most certainly prefer reporting news than, in a manner of speaking, making it, but there’s no avoiding it here and I do feel obliged to make the following comments:

    “I have known for some time that it’s possible a number of my emails could be made public. That has caused me many sleepless nights as well as a great deal of discomfort, embarrassment and regret.

    “I obviously did not anticipate at the time that what I believed to be private correspondence would end up in the public domain. Yet I also have, for some time since then, fully recognized the perils of using company email as it pertains to privacy, or lack thereof.

    “I obviously have to take full responsibility for the emails I’ve written. That said, I don’t feel the need to publicly address or comment on any of the specifics within those emails, other than to say I’ve taken the necessary step in the past months to make amends, so to speak, with anyone who I feel was impacted negatively by these emails and I will continue to do so, as required.

    “Beyond that, I will have no further comment.”

    http://www.tsn.ca/vesey-saga-keeps-coming-back-to-toronto-and-boston-1.461699

  171. Halfwise says:

    rickithebear,

    That, RtB, is a top shelf description of a slice of real life. Truth stranger than fiction. Loved the story and how you told it.

  172. Water Fire says:

    Spoils:
    What about teams with young players that could be #1Ds? Hedman juniors… You don’t win cups without #1s – Keith, Doughty etc.

    Those possible rosters are all better, but they are not cup winning teams. This is my plan:

    1) Focus 100% on the McDavid cluster
    2) Trade for candidates that could become a #1Ds. With D it takes 300 games, but if you get a couple guys to go with Nurse and Klefbom, i think you will find your way there, and maybe you hit the jackpot.
    3) Lock your NEW core in asap – that was one of the smart moves (the 3 long 6M deals) that we should replicate with the new core – Leon, McD, Nurse/Klef/???, ??? – cap is key.

    Our high pick can’t be a D since that will take too long. near impossible to get a current #1 (Keith). so that means you need to roll the dice. go after one or two young D that have a chance at being #1s. Accept that Klef and Nurse will be good NHL D but are only top pairing guys and not #1s.

    (4 types of D – #1, Top pair, bottom pair, AHL)

    Get the #1D. Keep McDavid. fill in around them. win a cup.

    no #1D – no cup.

    So then only Pittsburgh, Chicago and LA have this special defenseman as they’ve won the the last 6 Cups?

  173. leadfarmer says:

    OK Who pissed of LT?

    But in all seriousness, speaking for myself and I’m sure many others would agree, we feel like we know you LT since we have been coming here for many years, and have been listening to your stories including personal anecdotes and we feel like we know you. On the other hand you probably don’t know who most of us are since we don’t tell those same stories in return. So what I’m trying to say is sometimes we all make jokes that work from friend to friend because that is our perception and don’t work from a stranger point of view.

    Anyways, the only good thing about being an Oiler fan for the last 10 years other than this blog is getting to choose another team to cheer for in the spring. Who you liking this year LT? I’m going for the Wild, (geographical preference.)

  174. Water Fire says:

    Psyche: It’s disappointing to see journalists not doing their job and reporting the news. I’m sure there is more we don’t know than we do, but acknowledging the topic would be a good first step.

    I’m not sure most national sports media are as much about journalism as they are marketing platforms, especially with media consolidation. Like Bettman they have no incentive to pursue it.

  175. square_wheels says:

    rickithebear,

    Keep these stories coming Ricky, the mosaic that is western Canada is something that won’t be repeated until the zombie apocalypse.

    There is few places on earth where this kind of genetic and cultural Yahtzee exists.

    And explain the Brodin love ?

  176. maudite says:

    Poo rnh stempniak

    Man that would be depth

  177. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer:
    OK Who pissed of LT?

    But in all seriousness, speaking for myself and I’m sure many others would agree, we feel like we know you LT since we have been coming here for many years, and have been listening to your stories including personal anecdotes and we feel like we know you.On the other hand you probably don’t know who most of us are since we don’t tell those same stories in return.So what I’m trying to say is sometimes we all make jokes thatwork from friend to friend because that is our perception and don’t work from a stranger point of view.

    Anyways, the only good thing about being an Oiler fan for the last 10 years other than this blog is getting to choose another team to cheer for in the spring.Who you liking this year LT?I’m going for the Wild, (geographical preference.)

    My daughter is a Senators fan with Flyers as a second, so I will cheer for Philly and of course Boston if they make it. After that, I always cheer for the teams who haven’t won and don’t have idiot fan bases. Running out of teams. 🙂

  178. Thorin says:

    Jordan:
    Thorin,

    I’ve had almost a decade to evaluate the different memes that have come and after discussing with Toonces, I need more time to evaluate before making any decisions.

    If the Magnificent Bastard hadn’t been messed around and over-ruled by his managers and the owner so much, the Oilers would have been a much better by now.But Coke Machines and Mountain Men are like an addiction here – Like Coke?I blame Fuhr.

    Any Real Hockey Fan knows that its gritensity and muscular thighs and high character that win hockey games – if you don’t know that, get your head out of you keyboard and go watch a game you 2nd tier fan!

    In their efforts to change the culture in Oilcountry, the Oilers have turned more corners than the Griswolds.Hey!There’s Big Ben, kids!.The Oilers aren’t going in circles though – they’re spiraling – we just don’t know if it’s up or down.

    Ivv hu hiv soofert hinoov in hwatchink dis team hloose, hu gots to dry Comrade Horcov Wundka.Meed wiv hwon hondread pourcent hreal tears hov Ryehan Smit frum Feruary too-towsand sewen – for ha bourn honly han Hoiler fan can wuve.

    That is splendid. I think I like the first sentence the best, because it is so subtle, yet clearly is a meme developed here.

    I think it’s almost time to start an LT-isms page.

  179. dangilitis says:

    Lowetide: I appreciate this post, thanks.

    Everyone:

    Okay, we will try it one more time. But here’s the deal: I don’t hate your favorite player. Honestly. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is my favorite Oiler and my favorite prospect is Ethan Bear. I have a bias toward WHL players, have stated that and I believe I have made all of these things known. The rest I cheer for, but do not at any time actively try to sewer them on this site. Honestly, that really upsets me that people think there is an agenda here.

    That said, I will give my opinions on players and we will see how it goes.

    Well-deserved appreciation, and I am really happy if I may have in some way helped you get back on the wagon 🙂

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