SILVER WINGS

If Jordan Eberle had a dollar for every time he was mentioned by fans in a trade idea, he might have enough money to buy the team from Daryl Katz. In trading Eberle, the Oilers could see a handsome return, and the Leftorium would finally have the team all to itself. That, my friends, is the problem.

SILVER WINGS

  1. R Steve Stamkos, Tampa Bay Lightning. The injury probably gives one pause, but the talent is so strong I still think someone blows their brains out on a long-term deal. Will it be Edmonton?
  2. R Loui Eriksson, Boston Bruins. Solid veteran who can help offensively, he has a two-way reputation as well. Plays the off wing, I think there’s a chance the Oilers land him.
  3. R Kyle Okposo, NY Islanders. He would be a terrific fit but I don’t see him as an Oiler. Has all kinds of offensive ability. Built like a brick outhouse.
  4. L Milan Lucic, Los Angeles Kings. I have always maintained Peter Chiarelli would be aggressive. Hall, Maroon and Pouliot are a solid LW group, but Edmonton could trade out one of them to make room.
  5. L David Perron, Anaheim Ducks. I liked him as an Oiler, would love to see him back. A very smart player with skill, he did not have a grand season so might come at a discount. Then again, he may not have fond memories of Edmonton.
  6. R Ryan Strome, New York Islanders. I include him because the Islanders seem to be souring on the young forward (who might end up as a RW). He is talented, and if available, Chiarelli would be wise to swoop in. Ranked here because of his age. RFA
  7. R Troy Brouwer, St. Louis Blues. Rugged winger with talent, he is a veteran (31 this fall) but seems to have some tread left. Probably a guy Chiarelli would value.
  8. R Kris Versteeg, Los Angeles Kings. Chiarelli traded him once, but maybe he signs him in free agency this summer. Turns 30 next week, one of the younger grizzled veterans on the list.
  9. L Jamie McGinn, Anaheim Ducks. Rugged winger with skill, Oilers have three LWs so adding him only makes sense in the case of a trade.
  10. R Mikkel Boedker, Colorado Avalanche. I always liked him, seems to have fallen off last season. Beware Coyotes wingers on the downturn but he is an interesting option.
  11. R Teddy Purcell, Florida Panthers. He was effective with this Oilers team and is just 30 now. Speed a concern, certainly worthy of consideration.
  12. R Lee Stempniak, Boston Bruins. After all these years, why not? I thought he must be 90 by now but he just turned 33.
  13. R PA Parenteau, Toronto Maple Leafs. Scored 20 and at 33 might have a couple of years left. Most attractive thing about him could be price.

As I mentioned yesterday, seems to me there is an opportunity for Edmonton to add one or two wingers and set up the roster with better balance for the fall.

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CHIARELLI TRADE TARGETS

  1. RD Travis Hamonic, NY Islanders. This is a solid player and a great option for Edmonton.
  2. RD Tyson Barrie, Colorado Avalanche. He is close to a perfect fit for the puck-moving portion of this Oilers team, and might be available.
  3. RD Sami Vatanen, Anaheim Ducks. I like his puck-moving ability but as with all young blue there is not a clearly established level of ability. What we see is very good offensively.
  4. RD Justin Faulk, Carolina Hurricanes. The gap between Faulk and (say) Barrie is not large in my mind. He cooled off as the season wore on but he would be a nice option.
  5. RHC Andrew Shaw, Chicago Blackhawks. Not a C this past season (314 FO, 46.5 percent) he is nonetheless an attractive possible addition for the Oilers. He had 26 EV points this year, Letestu had 10. Shaw would be a nice player to slot in on that third line.
  6. R Ryan Strome, New York Islanders.

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CHIARELLI FREE-AGENT TARGETS

  1. D Jason Demers, Dallas Stars.
  2. C David Backes, St. Louis Blues.
  3. R Loui Eriksson, Boston Bruins.
  4. R Kyle Okposo, NY Islanders.
  5. L Milan Lucic, Los Angeles Kings.
  6. L David Perron, Anaheim Ducks.
  7. R Ryan Strome, New York Islanders.
  8. R Troy Brouwer, St. Louis Blues.
  9. R Kris Versteeg, Los Angeles Kings.
  10. L Jamie McGinn, Anaheim Ducks.
  11. R Mikkel Boedker, Colorado Avalanche.
  12. R Teddy Purcell, Florida Panthers.
  13. R Lee Stempniak, Boston Bruins.
  14. R PA Parenteau, Toronto Maple Leafs.
  15. C Riley Nash, Carolina Hurricanes.
  16. D Eric Gryba, Edmonton Oilers.
  17. D Matt Irwin, Boston Bruins.

It is going to be strange seeing Nail in a different NHL uniform. I have narrowed it down to New Jersey and Montreal, which means he is a lock to play in Arizona. It would have been cool to see him at these WHCs, but the ankle injury put it all to rest. One doubts it impacts any trade leading up to the draft.

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TRADE DOWN, NOTHING OILERS NEED AT NO. 4

Lots of talk about trading down (good and bad), I think dealing the pick could work but is not necessary (there are other options). One argument I have gotten this week: Oilers might as well trade the pick, the best picks at No. 4 merely duplicate skills already on the roster. Two problems:

  • It isn’t true
  • Even if it was, the best available player should be the top consideration.
  1. (1) C Auston Matthews, Zurich Lions (Swiss-A): Complete offensive player
  2. (2) W Patrik Laine, Tappara (Sm-Liiga): Might be better than Matthews.
  3. (3) R Jesse Puljujarvi, Karpat (Sm-Liiga): Fast man with size and skill.
  4. (4) C Pierre-Luc Dubois, Cape Breton (QMJHL): Rugged, quality power forward.
  5. (5)  L Matthew Tkachuk, London Knights (OHL): Big forward, playmaker.
  6. (6) LD Mikhail Sergachev, Windsor Spitfires (OHL): Mobile defender with offensive acumen.
  7. (8) C Clayton Keller, USNDTP (USHL): He could be a special player.
  8. (7) LD Olli Juolevi, London Knights (OHL): Substantial offensive defenseman.
  9. (9) LD Jacob Chychrun, Sarnia Sting (OHL): Fantastic skater, complete defender.
  10. (10) RD Dante Fabbro, Penticton (BCJHL): Fast, fluid, wicked smart.

I have Dubois No. 4 overall, and he is unique to anything Edmonton has on its roster or in the system. He is likely to play the wing as an NHL player, and with his size and speed plus rugged style fits Peter Chiarelli’s stated template for his Oilers. Mark Edwards from HockeyProspect.com is on the Lowdown today and last summer—in the 2015 Black Blook—he wrote about Dubois:

  • Edwards: Dubois was one of the best rookies in the league and led all 16 years old with 45 points. His game took a big step this year and showed he deserved to be selected in the top 5 of last year midget draft. The Rimouski native is a up and coming power forward with good speed and loves to take the puck to the net. He can control the puck at high speed and has good vision and makes player around him better with nice passes. He has an excellent wrist shot with a quick release, this year we saw him more as a playmaker with the Screaming Eagles where he showed his ability to slow down the game but makes no question about it Dubois is a capable sniper. He’s a smart player on the ice, can play different type of game whether it’s a finesse or physical game. 

That’s a helluva scouting report on a 16-year old, plenty more in the Black Book on him (Dubois is a rink rat, Dad has coached for years, and he does all the little things coaches love). Red Line Report echoed the sentiments with their more recent verbal:

  • Red Line: His move to centre this season has taken his game to new heights. He’s got the size, hands, hockey sense, and creativity to become a true #1 centre in the NHL. Add in his dedication to getting better, mental make-up, and willingness to compete hard on every shift in all three zones, and he’s a fairly wart-proof prospect. The only minor pitfall is that he lacks first step explosion and a separation gear at the top end in his stride right now – but he is working on it diligently. At Red Line, we would agree Dubois doesn’t catch your eye with a blazing stride, but he is above average in a straight line and stops and starts effectively for a teenager who hasn’t yet filled out his bottom half. Source

I highly recommend both publications by the way. Both are exceptional resources if you are a dedicated follower of the draft. Things can change, but for me Dubois is the No. 4 prospect in this draft and if the Oilers do use the pick he should be their man.

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CURRENT 50-MAN LIST

  1. G Cam Talbot. No. 1 next season.
  2. G Laurent Brossoit. Projects as NHL backup/AHL starter, signed a two-year deal.
  3. G Nick Ellis: Newly signed college free agent.
  4. G Eetu Laurikainen, AHL backup, he is signed for next year.
  5. D Oscar Klefbom, likely top pairing, needs to stay healthy.
  6. D Andrej Sekera, top 4D, important part of the team.
  7. D Brandon Davidson, top 6D, maybe even top 4D if he continues on current track.
  8. D Mark Fayne, I question Oilers ability to find three better RH this summer.
  9. D Darnell Nurse, probably top 6D next season, ideally in Bakersfield.
  10. D Griffin Reinhart, may spend another year in the minors. Could be dealt.
  11. D Andrew Ference, they will buy him out (if able). LTIR is my guess.
  12. D Joey Laleggia, AHL D matriculating.
  13. D Dillon Simpson, AHL D, matriculating.
  14. D Ben Betker, AHL D, matriculating.
  15. D Caleb Jones, WHL D. Newly signed, definite slide rule.
  16. C Connor McDavid, Giant.
  17. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, quality NHL center.
  18. C Leon Draisaitl, emerging NHL talent.
  19. C Mark Letestu, checking NHL C.
  20. C Anton Lander, they may find a buyer.
  21. C Jujhar Khaira, he is a good bet to make the roster in the fall.
  22. C Bogdan Yakimov, a chance he comes back. Has NHL tools, speed concern.
  23. C Kyle Platzer, AHL C matriculating.
  24. L Taylor Hall, impact NHL player. Many fans want him gone.
  25. L Benoit Pouliot, underrated by many. Trade rumors.
  26. L Patrick Maroon, big winger has been exceptional since arrival.
  27. L Lauri Korpikoski, Oilers should try to offload him this summer.
  28. L Matt Hendricks, checking NHL W.
  29. L Jere Sallinen, Newly signed, you can never have too many Finns.
  30. L Mitch Moroz, AHL winger/enforcer, matriculating.
  31. L Braden Christoffer, rugged winger, matriculating.
  32. R Jordan Eberle, scoring winger could be in play.
  33. R Nail Yakupov, gone baby, gone.
  34. R Anton Slepyshev, talented winger should push for NHL time.
  35. R Greg Chase, minor league winger, matriculating.

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DECISIONS, DECISIONS

  • R Iiro Pakarinen, suspect he will push for a spot next fall. RFA
  • R Zack Kassian, probably part of the future in a top 9F role. RFA.
  • D Jordan Oesterle. Suspect he signs. RFA.
  • D Adam Clendening. Foot speed will cost him. RFA.
  • D David Musil. Three straight solid seasons in the AHL. RFA.
  • R Adam Cracknell. I have no idea if he will be back. UFA.
  • R Rob Klinkhammer. No feeling either way. UFA.
  • D Adam Pardy. He played well, doubt there is room. UFA.
  • D Eric Gryba, UFA. A chance he signs. UFA.
  • D Nikita Nikitin, UFA. Ufa alright.
  • D Brad Hunt. Skills are duplicated elsewhere. UFA.
  • L Josh Winquist. Best offensive prospect in the AHL currently—but does not have an NHL deal.
  • R Josh Currie At 23, he forced his way into the lineup and played very well. Can also play center.
  • C Marco Roy. Began slowly, but fought his way up the depth chart and emerged as a solid option.
  • R Tyler Pitlick. Young veteran is RFA again. If he could only stay healthy.
  • G Niklas Lundstrom. Signed with Bjorkloven for next year.
  • L Kale Kessy. Rugged winger, skills duplicated on roster. RFA.
  • R Andrew Miller. He may have traded himself. No chance he returns imo. UFA.
  • L Ryan Hamilton. May receive another deal from the Oilers.
  • I wrote about this here.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we will have updates on the fires and how you can help—plus,  as we did yesterday—talk about some of the amazing people helping when others are in need. Also scheduled to appear, TSN1260:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Darcy’s terrific piece on Jason Demers, plus what to do with that No. 4 overall selection.
  • Scott Mitchell, Calgary Sun. We are less than a week away from the CFL draft, and things are finally coming into view. Who goes No. 1? What is available later in the first round?
  • Mark Edwards, HockeyProspect.com. We will talk about best available at No. 4 and discuss the top defensemen.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. The four playoff series are compelling, but not as awesome as Grace.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Stay tuned!

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91 Responses to "SILVER WINGS"

  1. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    It seems to me that about 90% of the people in the “willing to trade Taylor Hall” camp are not card carrying members of the “want to trade Taylor Hall society”

  2. Truth says:

    Ryan Strome is an interesting name. Could be the deal-maker as an add in to get the solid return the NYI are asking for Hamonic. His situation reminds me of Niederreiter’s. Oddly enough they were both drafted a year apart in the exact same spot (5 overall) by NYI, both had below expected final Junior seasons after being drafted, both given a taste of the NHL and then in and out of the AHL by the Islanders.

    Strome has historically scored at a higher rate in the NHL 0.51 ppg (Neiderreiter 0.39 ppg), but is coming off a 28 pt season. Islanders traded for Clutterbuck straight across for Neider, so I’d consider Strome’s value to be similar. I could see Arizona being a prime candidate to get him, however. Snow wouldn’t be doing his job if he wasn’t planting the seed to the new AZ GM.

    I’d be a lot happier to see Hamonic AND Strome come back in a trade that involves an Oiler young gun.

  3. dustrock says:

    The talk of “trading down from #4 to say #10 and #28” or whatever is interesting to me, but I’m not sure in this draft, where in some ways, it’s a crap shoot from #4-12, you’re going to see teams give up a lot of value to move up to #4 – unless one team REALLY wants a particular player.

    A few questions because I’m lazy:

    (1) Barrie has 1 more year left then will get a big ol’ raise – what’s the value vs. Faulk, who I believe is signed for some time?

    (2) Did anyone watch the Ducks in the playoffs? I read a couple of people, non-Ducks fans, who came away quite impressed with Vatanen’s performance against the Preds.

    (3) I wonder if we sell high on Maroon now – maybe teams won’t realize the McDavid Effect and think Maroon is a poor man’s Lucic.

  4. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Any hockey contract experts out there who can clear something up for me?

    I’m thinking about Steve Stamkos and his blood clot. That’s a pretty serious issue, and it’s something that has led to a shortening of careers in the past (Dupuis the most recent case, I believe).

    For this scenario let’s assume Stamkos signs a 7 year $70 million dollar contract with a club other than Tampa Bay. Doesn’t matter who.

    If, after year two, the blood clots become a problem again and keeps him from playing for the rest of his contract, would he be LTIR elligible for insurance purposes?

    I understand his cap hit would come off the books. That’s not the concern. What I’m wondering is, would this qualify as a pre-existing condition for insurance purposes? This would be like Nathan Horton, who’s cap hit doesn’t go against the leafs but whom they have to pay out of pocket due to his condition not being covered. This is different than Pronger or Savard who are not paid out of pocket by their clubs, but rather are paid out of insurance proceeds.

    If that’s the case, it will limit the parties that are interested in pursuing him, and will increase the likelihood that he goes to a team like NYR or TOR that can accept the financial risk of having to pay him out of pocket in the event he can’t play.

    Or I’m totally out to lunch. Anyone with knowledge that can steer me in the right direction would be appreciated.

  5. kinger_OIL says:

    – Great post LT: Just a question: what status does “matriculating” mean on your lists?

    – Dillon Simpson signed a 3-year entry contract in 2014, so he has next season? Ben Bekter, who you also have as “matriculating”, he signed his 3-year entry contract in 2015:

    – So both players are still under control for 1 and 2 years respectively (do I have length right?)

    – So does your “matriculating” mean: “under contract next year+: wait and marinate?”

  6. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    dustrock,

    Based on their post trade play, if that’s what people are assessing, they would think that Lucic is a poor man’s Maroon.

    Maroon put up a 41 goal pace on McDavid’s wing.

    41.

  7. John Chambers says:

    Brian Campbell should be a top UFA target – on a 2-year deal that expires co-term with McDavid’s ELC.

    This way the Oilers would only have to trade assets for a single D, and avoid the risk of paying $5M over term to the caliber of defenseman of Demers. Jason Demers would be a useful asset to the Oilers in the near future, but may be a hard contract to swallow after 2020.

    Besides Campbell plays big minutes, is rarely injured, and is the best UFA option as it relates to skating and passing the puck.

  8. Ducey says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – Great post LT: Just a question: what status does “matriculating” mean on your lists?

    – Dillon Simpson signed a 3-year entry contract in 2014, so he has next season?Ben Bekter, who you also have as “matriculating”, he signed his 3-year entry contract in 2015:

    – So both players are still under control for 1 and 2 years respectively (do I have length right?)

    – So does your “matriculating” mean: “under contract next year+: wait and marinate?”

    If they are on the 50 man list they have a contract next year. Matriculating means marinating – I won’t speculate in what 🙂

  9. John Chambers says:

    Oh wait, but handedness.

  10. Bag of Pucks says:

    Swap out Eberle & Yakupov for Okposo & Brouwer, then draft Dubois.

    THAT would certainly change the complexion/perception of this ‘small/soft’ roster.

    Would avoid Lucic though. He will get term that will ultimately become a millstone.

  11. Truth says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    It seems to me that about 90% of the people in the “willing to trade Taylor Hall” camp are not card carrying members of the “want to trade Taylor Hall society”

    The “other” radio station had a poll going on twitter regarding what to do with the #4 overall pick. The winning opinion was to trade if for a defenseman. I had a laugh. Are those voters satisfied if it brings in someone like Dennis Wideman?

    I would certainly trade Taylor Hall if it meant getting a young bonafide #1 D to play on the Oilers for the next 10 years. I believe the “want to trade Taylor Hall society” is thinking he’s part of the problem with this team, which is just stupid.

  12. Rondo says:

    Dubois sounds like the guy to take at #4 I’ve been on board for awhile.

    I’m interested to hear what your guest Mark Edwards will say about the gap between PLD and his top Dman in the draft and MT.

    I mentioned yesterday as a possibility of trading down if you believe there is no difference between #4 to #7 and also if you think there is a point in the 1st rd that there is a larger gap say #22

    Trade #4 and #32 to Arizona for #7 and #20.

  13. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Okposo will cost more than Eberle and Brouwer will cost more than Yakupov.

    We need to keep that in mind. We need new contracts for LD and CMD in the next couple years. Our forwards can only cost so much.

  14. Truth says:

    Okposo is a UFA. It’s not even our money!! (sort of)

  15. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Okposo will cost more than Eberle and Brouwer will cost more than Yakupov.

    We need to keep that in mind.We need new contracts for LD and CMD in the next couple years.Our forwards can only cost so much.

    I think it’s doable if you can get them on short term deals (i.e. before the big raises kick in for McDavid, Drai, Nurse, etc.).

    Appreciate it’s highly debatable whether you can land these sought after FAs with short term deals.

    Having seen what Maroon added to the top six, it would be great to add one more guy at least with a nice size/skill combo. Okposo is having a nice playoff atm.

  16. admiralmark says:

    dustrock,
    Any reason why the Oilers would not want a poor mans Lucic? Seemed like his production was quite adequate when you consider all the other things he brought to the lineup.

    Also Lowetide, wasnt Riley Nash adamant about not playing for the Oilers? Or was that just over blown?

  17. slopitch says:

    Unless Subban or Karlsson is available, I dont trade Hall, Nuge, Drai, Nurse or Klefbom. CMD as well but duh. Personally I keep the #4 but trading down is an option worth exploring. Based on verbal, I think Chai is gonna want to add at least 1 dman with size. My primary concern is adding a top pairing capable dman. The oilers best options are Sekera and Klefbom and both arent proven top pairing options imo. So it starts there.

    Reinhart, Yakupov, #4 for Faulk, #13 ???

    Start at the top pairing dman. Go from there.

  18. Ducey says:

    John Chambers:
    Brian Campbell should be a top UFA target – on a 2-year deal that expires co-term with McDavid’s ELC.

    This way the Oilers would only have to trade assets for a single D, and avoid the risk of paying $5M over term to the caliber of defenseman of Demers. Jason Demers would be a useful asset to the Oilers in the near future, but may be a hard contract to swallow after 2020.

    Besides Campbell plays big minutes, is rarely injured, and is the best UFA option as it relates to skating and passing the puck.

    Yeah, I am more conservative than most but I think the Oilers should try and avoid the big trade. I think they can do what they need to do thru free agency.

    Sign Demers, Campbell/ Yandle, and backup goalie, Gryba, and someone like Brouwer. I think I sign Teddy Purcell, too. Most of those guys will be relatively cheap.
    Trade Yak for a developing RH Dman
    Buyout/ trade Korpse
    Let Kassian walk

    That would give them

    Maroon (1.5) – Connor (3)- Ebs (6)
    Hall (6)- Leon (2.5)- Teddy (2.0)
    Poo (4) – Nuge (6) – Brouwer (4)
    Hendricks (1.85) – Letestu (1.8) – Pak (.8)
    Lander (.98) (he is cheap and has to bounce back). Extra C’s are good.
    Korpse buyout (1)

    Sekera (5.5) – Demers (5)
    Campbell (6.5)- Klefbom (4.1)
    Davidson (1.4) – Fayne (3.6)
    Gryba (1.2)

    Talbot (4.1)
    Backup (1)

    Total Cap hit ($73.83)

    If Cap limit is $71 M, then you sign Yandle instead of Campbell. He is making $2.3 M instead of Campbell’s $7+

    AHL D
    Nurse, Reinhart, Oesterle, Simpson, guy traded for Yak

    Oh, and keep the picks and draft PLD

  19. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    slopitch,

    I don’t see how we need to add a Dman with size.

    Klef, Nurse, Davidson, Fayne, Gryba are all above average size. They are all either in the Light Heavyweight of Heavyweight class.

    Sekera is hardly small.

    So all 6 of those guys weigh more than Duncan Keith.

    The only small Dman on the roster is #8 (Oesterle).

    Our D isn’t too small. It’s not good enough at playing Hockey. We can afford to exchange some size for some skill on the back end.

    The criticism of the team as being “too small” is really specific to the makeup of the top 6 forward group over the past several years, maybe the top 9. It’s not that the team is across the board small.

    It could also be about “playing small” vs. “being small”. A debate for another time.

    I’m sure Chia is aware of this.

  20. Ribs says:

    Dubois looks like a great pick, to me. It should be hard to pass that kind of pick up. Interesting times…

  21. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Ducey: Yeah, I am more conservative than most but I think the Oilers should try and avoid the big trade. I think they can do what they need to do thru free agency.

    Sign Demers, Campbell/ Yandle, and backup goalie, Gryba, and someone like Brouwer. I think I sign Teddy Purcell, too. Most of those guys will be relatively cheap.
    Trade Yak for a developing RH Dman
    Buyout/ trade Korpse
    Let Kassian walk

    That would give them

    Maroon (1.5) – Connor (3)- Ebs (6)
    Hall (6)- Leon (2.5)- Teddy (2.0)
    Poo (4) – Nuge (6) – Brouwer (4)
    Hendricks (1.85) – Letestu (1.8) – Pak (.8)
    Lander (.98) (he is cheap and has to bounce back). Extra C’s are good.
    Korpse buyout (1)

    In this scenario you are spending 20% of the projected cap on your third forward line.

    That seems like too much.

    It also highlights why Travis Hamonic is worth trading for, even if it costs you a good player. It’s more conservative than your conservative approach.

  22. RexLibris says:

    LT, you’ve mentioned re-stocking the cupboard and picking Dubois does precisely that.

    Trading down is an option, and I had mused about Chiarelli trading out entirely back in December when it looked like it was going to be a three-horse race for last place.

    But Chiarelli is obviously looking at changing the roster, that means he views current players as assets that are more moveable this year than last. That also means his priority list on those assets, including the pick, is likely going to be different than ours.

    My take is that he will aim to make the team better right away, but that he would be more willing to move players outside of Hall, McDavid and Klefbom at the same level or perhaps even before moving that pick out entirely, as he can then address the future and the immediate present while also re-shaping the roster into what he has in mind.

  23. Ducey says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: In this scenario you are spending 20% of the projected cap on your third forward line.

    That seems like too much.

    It also highlights why Travis Hamonic is worth trading for, even if it costs you a good player.It’s more conservative than your conservative approach.

    People worry too much about projected lines and D pairings.

    Poo likely plays half the season with Connor. Players get moved around shift to shift and game to game. Players get hurt. The D likely will go thru 8-9 players due to injury. The key is to have some people who can move around and some depth. Poo and Brouwer can move as necessary.

    Trading Eberle for Hamonic doesn’t make a lot of sense to me when the Oilers struggled scoring goals as much as they had trouble keeping them out.

  24. DRFNsuperstar says:

    Ducey: People worry too much about projected lines and D pairings.

    Poo likely plays half the season with Connor. Players get moved around shift to shift and game to game.Players get hurt. The D likely will go thru 8-9 players due to injury.The key is to have some people who can move around and some depth. Poo and Brouwer can move as necessary.

    Trading Eberle for Hamonic doesn’t make a lot of sense to me when the Oilers struggled scoring goals as much as they had trouble keeping them out.

    Well that’s not completely true, even strength goal differential clearly shows the Oilers suck a lot more at keeping pucks out of their net than they do putting them in the other one. Granted they do suck at both. But the root of both issues is the same, they play too much time in their own zone. Good defenceman and centremen go take the puck from the other team and move it out of their zone with control. It’s the basics, and it’s why I believe Drai should centre the third line with a couple of cheap vets with wheels.

  25. slopitch says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    slopitch,

    I don’t see how we need to add a Dman with size.

    Klef, Nurse, Davidson, Fayne, Gryba are all above average size.They are all either in the Light Heavyweight of Heavyweight class.

    Sekera is hardly small.

    So all 6 of those guys weigh more than Duncan Keith.

    The only small Dman on the roster is #8 (Oesterle).

    Our D isn’t too small.It’s not good enough at playing Hockey.We can afford to exchange some size for some skill on the back end.

    The criticism of the team as being “too small” is really specific to the makeup of the top 6 forward group over the past several years, maybe the top 9.It’s not that the team is across the board small.

    It could also be about “playing small” vs. “being small”.A debate for another time.

    I’m sure Chia is aware of this.

    As much as the team would be better at hockey. I dont see Chai going with Sekera and say 2 of Faulk, Vatanen/Barrie in the top 4. I think he will get one and try to get Hamonic. JMO.

  26. LMHF#1 says:

    So…time to fleece the Coyotes and their 26-year-old GM??

  27. Water Fire says:

    I’m not too hot on Okposo. I have watched the Isles a bit and he is hindering Tavares more than helping IMO. He has skill but he doesn’t have great hands, seems to lose control of the puck, and his board play hasn’t been dominant to my eye.

    For me he has to be an unbeatable bull on the walls and has to be a dangerous shooter that is a beast going to the net, and I don’t see that. I think he’s getting zoomed and is not worth the kind of money he might get.

    I also have concerns about expensive PP points getting defensemen who are mediocre second pairing 5v5. The key word here is expensive. I realize the Oilers need more goals, but I’m not sure there is a net benefit there that just having 6 guys that can pass and think won’t also cure, who may also play a bit of good D as well.

    There are 4 guys now that can shoot well enough in Sekera, Klef, Davidson and Nurse, not to mention forwards. Just say no to chaos.

  28. RPG says:

    Just read this article, it seems to have a lot of great information.

    Why the best defencemen have to be proficient on offence.
    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/best-defencemen-proficient-offence/

  29. rickithebear says:

    RPG:
    Just read this article, it seems to have a lot of great information.

    Why the best defencemen have to be proficient on offence.
    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/best-defencemen-proficient-offence/

    You do realize that Even offensive production rate of the top 10 offensive D in the game is at a bottom 3rd line or upper 4th line forward production.

    think about that!

    oh that Hendricks and korpikoski production rate is the single most important thing.

    Heck we are probably better off getting those shitty bottom 3rd and 4tth line forwards cycling under the net and making the critical transition passes.
    I will have to look at that.

    The primary role of a Dman is to? anyone! anyone!
    Defend!
    WTF am I talking about!
    Defence defending!
    that is just bat Shit crazy.
    Cause there is only up to a 5.67 times greater scoring success. by penetration. 567%

    There is zero F…………….. chance that bot 3rd/4th offensive production from a D is the driver of Forward Even offence.

    Do you get an Idea of why I allways laugh my ass off with the silly “I mean god awful silly Emphasis” put on Defence offensive Production.

    Years ago when people were worried about Klefbom’s 4 points playing d in Sweden. I said he was dependent on the forwards he played with.

    He was 4 points on 4 Goals by his primsary forwards on the season. 100% points per goal.

    Now he is one of the top EVP/60 d in the game. With his upper 4th line forward rate.

    Transition passes in a properly run System to your speed forwards
    or
    Side board dump with Physical skilled retrieval is much more critical.
    the 2nd one was the major failing of our D.
    requires quick recognition and dump will the D and Forwards are in stride.
    A lot of skate to blue and Turn.

    The 2nd one does not require a d to be the carry and dump.

  30. rickithebear says:

    I reviewed the top scoring draft year forwards in the Q since 05-06
    Player Draft NHLE % and Draft +1 NHLE % if sent Back
    Draft Total G TA TP Age NHLE; Even G EA EP age NHLE
    Draft +1 Total G TA TP Age NHLE; Even G EA EP age NHLE

    Crsoby 04-05 .722
    Draft 38 EG 86 EVP
    he only hit 86 EP rate 10-11 to 12-13; 68 EP 06-07 to 09-10

    Giroux 05-06 .583; 06-07 .433
    Draft 15 EG 34 EP
    D +1 16 EG 39 EP
    14 EG 40 EP his whole career

    Voracek 06-07 .730; 07-08 .496
    Draft 14 EG 39 EP
    D +1 21 EG 46 EP
    Age 19-21 11 EG 34 EP
    age 22-25 17 EG 44 EP
    Age 26 10 EG 32 EP

    Couturier 10-11 .557
    Draft 19 EG 45 EP
    age 19-20 10EG 23 EP
    age 21-23 12 EG 32 EP
    he ran PvP almost all his career.

    Hubredeau 10-11 .683; 11-12 .473
    Draft 23 EG 56 EP
    D +1 23 EG 51 EP
    age 19-20 14 EG 32 EP
    age 21-22 15 EVG 44 EVP

    Grigoraenko 11-12 .667; 12-13 .583
    Draft 29 eg 56 EP
    D +1 22 EG 39 EP
    Age 18 – 20 6EG 13EP
    age 21 6 EG 23 EP

    Mckinnon 12-13 .74
    Draft 25 EG 58 EP
    age 18-20 15 EG 42 EP

    Drouin 12-13 .635; 13-14 .454
    Draft 31 EG 60 EP
    D +1 13 EG 46 EP
    you often see a drop in juniors sent back when there is an expected symbiotic relationship.
    Drouin; D. strome; M. Marner
    AGe 20 1EG 30 EP Pace
    age 21 16 Eg 32 EP pace

    Ehlers 13-14 .604; 14-15 .442
    Draft 21 EG 45 EP
    D +1 18 EG 41 EP
    Age 19 13 Eg 31 EP pace

    Beauvillier 14-15 .683; 15-16 .473
    Draft 18EG 36 EP
    D +1 24 Eg 38 EP

    Sprong 14-15 .625; 15-16 .450
    draft 18 EG 36 EP
    D +1 13 EG 32 EP

    Dubois 15-16 .694
    Draft 29 Eg 66 EP
    Joly and fiore experienced 80 increases in production playing with Dubois
    The kid is a fast skater.
    Has some of the best HS production numbers in that period
    was their primary center.
    Their pim’s leader

    Abramov 15-16 .661
    Draft 21 EG 52 EP
    his 19 and 20 year old forwards production doubled when playing with him.

  31. Death By Misadventure says:

    Truth,

    What about a Yak for Strome trade straight up?

  32. DRFNsuperstar says:

    This is why we will have all the best FAs come knocking http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/perry-bruce-tremendous-coach/

  33. rickithebear says:

    What do you think leon is asking For after his ELC if he is top 20 EVP/60 scorer in the league for 2 year in a row.

    15-16
    #16 Hoffman 1st comp 2.21
    #18 Tatrasenko Upper 2nd comp 2.21
    #19 Draisatl 1st comp 2.19
    #20 Duchene Upper 2nd comp 2.18
    #22 Tavares 2nd comp 2.17
    #23 Kopitar 1st comp 2.16
    #23 Krejci 1st comp 2.16
    #25 Seguin upper 2nd comp 2.16
    #28 Pavelski 1st comp 2.14

  34. LostBoy says:

    I’ve warmed to Cullen over the years, but:

    http://www.tsn.ca/off-season-game-plan-edmonton-oilers-1.484095

    …his blue sky projected roster suggests we’ll move Nuge and Yak, and the adds will be Hamonic, Troy Brouwer, Nikolai Kulemin, Chris Kelly, and Garrett Wilson.

    Uh…okay.

  35. Ducey says:

    RPG:
    Just read this article, it seems to have a lot of great information.

    Why the best defencemen have to be proficient on offence.
    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/best-defencemen-proficient-offence/

    It has some thoughts. I am not sure I agree with a lot of it. The example with Polak ignores the fact that the forward is moving a heck of lot faster than Polak is. Carrying the puck (option 1 and 2) may not be an option. None of his forwards are in position. He likely gets drilled and turns in over in his own end. This is a lot worse than dumping it.

    Further, doing controlled breakouts is just part of the deal. What happens when the other team comes down the ice – or starts cycling? You need someone that can defend.

  36. John Chambers says:

    Ducey,

    I love the idea of UFA’s to solve problems (especially on short-term contracts) because the Oilers do have cap space to use, and we can be less concerned about losing players like Campbell in the expansion draft.

    To Cash McMoney’s point, however, Hamonic is a value-contract and if it costs us our pick to acquire it I’m in favour.

  37. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Rondo,

    I like this idea. On the day of the lottery when we got 4th, I listed trading down to 7 and getting something back from Arizona as one of the likely outcomes.

    Why Edmonton does it? Dropping 3 slots IF they are planning on taking one of the D or Logan Brown works, while they get to trade back into the 1st round and jump 10 slots for little cost.

    Why Arizona does it? Everyone keeps talking about the Matthews-Arizona connection, but that would cost them OEL and they have already said they won’t do it. The media has been missing the obvious Tkachuk connection: born in Scottsdale AND his daddy of course is a famous name here in the Desert.

    Arizona keeps OEL, adds Tkachuk to a group that has Duclair, Domi, Strome already. Win-win.

  38. vinotintazo says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Arizona keeps OEL, adds Tkachuk to a group that has Duclair, Domi, Strome already. Win-win.

    whats the cost, do we get Stone? and their 7th for 4th?

    Edit: we don’t need a #20 pick we need Players.

  39. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    dustrock,

    In my opinion, Justin Faulk is worth more than Barrie due to contract certainty.

    Justin Faulk:
    Age 24
    6’0″ 215
    Cap Hit: $4.833M signed through 2020 (4 more years!)
    Points per 60 rank (NHL): #293 of all skaters

    Tyson Barrie:
    Age 24
    5″10″ 195
    Cap Hit: $2.6M RFA this summer
    Points per 60 rank (NHL) #243 of all skaters

    Faulk plays about a minute more per game, Barrie brings more offense and has done so for every single year of their careers. Faulk has a harder shot from the blue line on the PP.

    Barrie might be undervalued if Sakic and Roy do something stupid, but if he gets a $6M, long-term contract, then Faulk seems the more valuable of the two.

    I think perception around the League as a result is that Faulk right now is worth significantly more than Barrie before seeing Barrie’s next contract.

    Carolina has some very nice blue prospects, but Fleury, Hanifin, etc., are left-handed. Faulk is signed to a bargain contract, is right-handed, American, is loved by the locals–there is no reason Carolina trades him short of an offer they can’t refuse being made.

    In my mind that means acquiring Faulk would cost one of:
    #4
    Draisaitl
    RNH
    Hall

    plus something else on top to get Carolina to pull the trigger if it’s #4 or RNH.

    To be clear I DO NOT think he is worth that much, but I think that’s what it would take to get Carolina to bite. Therefore I think the Oilers should pass. He isn’t a realistic target. Not at all. Barrie however, if he wants too much money from the Avs, is.

  40. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear,

    No Mr. Bear you are wrong. You are thinking like Lowe and MacT from just a few years ago when they were drafting one dimensional defensive defenseman with high draft picks like Musil and Plante while the rest of the NHL moved on to defenseman that can not only defend but also move the puck out of their own zone. A modern defenseman has to be able to play in all zones. They have to be able to defend, yes, but they have to be able to get the puck out of their own zone, get the puck to their forwards with speed, keep the puck in the offensive zone, be able to distribute the puck in the offensive zone, and yes once in a while chip in a goal because that spreads out the defensive coverage to create some room for the forwards. Now most players have to be able to play well in all three zones for the team to be effective. I know you fell in love with HDSCA but that doesn’t tell you the whole story. The best way to analyze a player is what you create minus what you give away. It doesn’t matter if you are one of the best at prevent defense when all you do is defend. That makes you a net negative player because in the end even though you are not giving up much you are creating nothing. Does that make sense? So a player that may not look as good on the HDSCA may actually be creating a lot more HDSCF and be a net positive player and overall a much better player.

  41. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    vinotintazo: whats the cost, do we get Stone? and their 7th for 4th?

    Edit: we don’t need a #20 pick we need Players.

    That’s fine, too. I didn’t propose Rondo’s deal. I was suggesting #4 for #7+ something.
    This depends on 2 conditions:
    1) PLD is not Chia’s guy.
    2) Arizona wants Tkachuk

    If the above two conditions are true, then there is a deal there to be made. What comes back this way along with #7? I don’t know.

    I’d be shopping the #4 around heavily anyway. Hold Linden over a barrel and offer #4 and #32 for Tanev and #6. In all likelihood he says no, but if they think PLD can be their Henrik replacement 1C, and they decide to go full rebuild this summer, there is a slight chance. And if it’s still a no, you take the Arizona deal, or someone else’s offer.

  42. Ducey says:

    leadfarmer:
    rickithebear,

    No Mr. Bear you are wrong.You are thinking like Lowe and MacT from just a few years ago when they were drafting one dimensional defensive defenseman with high draft picks like Musil and Plante while the rest of the NHL moved on to defenseman that can not only defend but also move the puck out of their own zone.A modern defenseman has to be able to play in all zones.They have to be able to defend, yes, but they have to be able to get the puck out of their own zone, get the puck to their forwards with speed, keep the puck in the offensive zone, be able to distribute the puck in the offensive zone, and yes once in a while chip in a goal because that spreads out the defensive coverage to create some room for the forwards.Now most players have to be able to play well in all three zones for the team to be effective.I know you fell in love with HDSCA but that doesn’t tell you the whole story.The best way to analyze a player is what you create minus what you give away.It doesn’t matter if you are one of the best at prevent defense when all you do is defend.That makes you a net negative player because in the end even though you are not giving up much you are creating nothing.Does that make sense?So a player that may not look as good on the HDSCA may actually be creating a lot more HDSCF and be a net positive player and overall a much better player.

    I think you are right. But, (there is always a but), its is not as simple as get guys who excel in all aspects. There are about 12 of those in the league.

    Look at the Reinhart/ Oesterle pairing. I think it did well (some fancy stat may say otherwise). I noticed that Reinhart was quite good in the corners and finding his guy in front of the net. He was physical and seems like a cycle breaker. He makes a good first pass. However, whenever they had a chance to skate puck out he always got the puck over to Oesterle. They were a good duo.

    I think its possible to have 1 puck rusher and one more defensive D as a pairing. Sekera- Fayne is this way. Josi – Weber is too. Keitth – Seabrook? Whoever is with Doughty?

  43. Truth says:

    Death By Misadventure:
    Truth,

    What about a Yak for Strome trade straight up?

    I think if that offer was on the table the Oilers would have already done it. I would be happy with it.

    I was thinking more along the lines of an Eberle for Hamonic deal being hard to swallow for the Oilers, as Hamonic’s trade request to Western Canada hampers his value. Eberle and Oesterle (or equivalent) for Hamonic and Strome would have to be accepted by the Oilers, IMO.

  44. stush18 says:

    Okposo is my target. It’s been mentioned a lot that the islanders will let him walk.

    That was before strome starting becoming scratched in playoffs however.

    How does 4th for strome and hamonic sound? I think that’s pretty fair deal.

    Then I trade for vatanen. We don’t have a single puck mover like him. His passing looks karlsson like.

    Rumour was it was pouliot for vatanen? I’d be happy with that.

  45. LadiesloveSmid says:

    stush18,

    I thought it was something along the lines of Pouliot+Yak for Maroon+Vatanen

  46. LadiesloveSmid says:

    though Stauff and Mike Johnson were talking 4th overall for Vatanen on oilers now a couple of days ago

    Bob said Vatanen+ANA 1st+ for 4th in his AMA

  47. godot10 says:

    Rondo:
    Dubois sounds like the guy to take at #4 I’ve been on board for awhile.

    I’m interested to hearwhat your guest Mark Edwards will say about the gap between PLD and his top Dman in the draft and MT.

    I mentioned yesterday as a possibility of trading down if you believe there is no difference between #4 to #7 and also if you think thereis a point in the 1st rd that there is a larger gap say #22

    Trade #4 and #32 to Arizona for #7 and #20.

    If one wants a D (I prefer trading #4 for a young veteran D or drafting Dubois), trading #4 for #7 and #20 is a good deal. Adding the #32 makes it a horrible deal.

    #20 and #32 is the same player. #4 >> #7, because one of Puljujarvi and Dubois are available at #4

  48. godot10 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Rondo,

    Why Edmonton does it? Dropping 3 slots IF they are planning on taking one of the D or Logan Brown works, while they get to trade back into the 1st round and jump 10 slots for little cost.

    I don’t think Logan Brown gets past #6 at Calgary. Dropping to seven means BPA is a defensemen. If the Oilers want a forward (Dubois or Brown or Puljujarvi if he falls) they should stay at #4 and get the one they want.

  49. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    godot10: I don’t think Logan Brown gets past #6 at Calgary.Dropping to seven means BPA is a defensemen.If the Oilers want a forward (Dubois or Brown orPuljujarvi if he falls) they should stay at #4 and get the one they want.

    You may be right re: Brown. If it’s a D they want the trade makes sense. If Puljujarvi falls they should not trade the pick and sprint to the podium to take him.

    This is why I love that the team is picking 4th this year. There are so many more possibilities at 4 than 3.

  50. leadfarmer says:

    Ducey,

    Yes there’s going to be exceptions but if you can’t do most of what’s on that list at least decently you are going to be a 3rd pairing dman at best aka replaceable

  51. RJ2016 says:

    A few Islanders blogs talked about a potential Eberle for Hamonic swap. One of the pluses is that Eberle’s $6m AAV is very likely lower than Okposo’s next $AAV, so there would be some value in adding Eberle to play along side Tavares.

    Bag of Pucks: I think it’s doable if you can get them on short term deals (i.e. before the big raises kick in for McDavid, Drai, Nurse, etc.).

    Appreciate it’s highly debatable whether you can land these sought after FAs with short term deals.

    Having seen what Maroon added to the top six, it would be great to add one more guy at least with a nice size/skill combo. Okposo is having a nice playoff atm.

  52. godot10 says:

    I think Arizona will be content draft Chychrun at #7. They have Domi and Duclair as young left wings, and don’t really need Tkachuk. And they have Strome, so they don’t really need Brown or Dubois. And Chychrun would be making a impact just as Ekman-Larsson will be getting close to UFA status.

    Matthews
    Laine
    Puljujarvi/Dubois
    Dubois/Puljujarvi
    Brown/Tkachuk
    Tkachuk/Brown
    Chychrun

    I expect a big multiplayer hockey trade possibly involving #3 between Columbus and St. Louis in June.

  53. kinger_OIL says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    though Stauff and Mike Johnson were talking 4th overall for Vatanen on oilers now a couple of days ago

    Bob said Vatanen+ANA 1st+ for 4th in his AMA

    – Vatenen is RFA next year: you aren’t giving up your 4rth for 1 year…That’s not the comp

    – And don’t say: “yeah they will do a side deal hush hush”. This might be true in practice, but you still don’t give up 4rth pick for one year, even with the side deal. That’s not the market

    – So many trade proposals here don’t account for contract status of players involved.

    – Harmonic on his value contract with term, fetches much more in a trade than for instance Brent Burns, because Burns is UFA next year…
    * Harmonic isn’t the best example, because he has said he wants out, but you get my drift!

  54. blainer says:

    John Chambers:
    Ducey,

    I love the idea of UFA’s to solve problems (especially on short-term contracts) because the Oilers do have cap space to use, and we can be less concerned about losing players like Campbell in the expansion draft.

    To Cash McMoney’s point, however, Hamonic is a value-contract and if it costs us our pick to acquire it I’m in favour.

    Agreed. I would like to see a trade with the 4th pick which is a massive value this year because of the expansion draft .

    The 4th .. Fayne with money retained and Yak for Hamonic. Not sure if that gets it done.. The Isles may want more ..

    I am a fan of Hamonic’s but dealing with Snow scares me after the trade last year even though the jury is still out on that one..

    In two years that 4th will most likely make snow look pretty good. We need to remember that Snow is dealing from a position of weakness here due to Hamonic’s trade request.

  55. pts2pndr says:

    Golf analogy. You are playing a 560 yard par 5 antd have just hit your drive 300 yards down the middle. Your choices are a three wood that your best distance is 230 yards or a 7 iron lay up to leave a full wedge in..The smart play is the 7 iron if there is any question to your accuracy with the 3 wood. I would suggest that drafting in the four spot is like using the Safe 7 iron. Oilers trade record for defense is like my 3 wood sometimes suspect! If you consider the green as making the playoffs then trading the #4 pick for a defenseman would not get you there but only close and could if the trade doesn’t work leave you further from your goal. I see a very heavy risk reward scenario! Just like golf if it goes wrong there is no do over!

  56. AsiaOil says:

    As others have said – we don’t need a #20 pick – we need real NHL players on defense. Trading down from #4 to #7 for #20 doesn’t address that issue at all. If ARZ wants to give us #7 and Stone then that is another issue entirely as it addresses both present and future need – fine – but the #20 pick is worth little to us.

    You sit at #4 and wait out Columbus. If Puljujari drops you snag him or you just pick Dubois who is a clear #4 pick to me and on a bit of an island by himself between the top 3 and the next 5 including dmen Sergachev/Juolevi/Chrychun and forwards Tkachuk/Nylander. That my top 9 and it has 3 groups: top 3, Dubois, 5-9. You might add Brown or McLeod as #10. If someone gives us a pick in the top 9 along with a quality RHD then you trade down and take one of the 3 dmen – if not – then you simply take #4. It’s simple.

    ARZ could give us Stone and #7 but that’s a steep price to pay. They would be better off dealing with VAN as they know we are not taking Tkachuk. Montreal would be clearly interested but have nothing we want unless it’s an ill-advised mega-deal for Subban. Beaulieu is of no interest and neither is any of their other dmen. McCarron’s pro line of 20GP 1-1-2 -10 and his AHL production of only .65ppg maybe gets you Yak – not #4. So I don’t see any trade down deals with MTL. We either keep the pick or move it completely for a RHD and maybe a late 1st rounder if we toss in a player like Yak.

  57. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    AsiaOil,

    Your logic is flawed on two fronts.

    1) Getting #7 and #20 for #4 and #32 is not a bad move at all. Who says you have to draft with the #20 pick or even the #7 pick? Just because you trade down doesn’t mean that you can’t trade those new picks for assets.

    I think people have lost their minds. Blainer’s offer above of Fayne with salary retained, Yak and #4 for Hamonic (but the Isles may want more) is absolutely crazy talk. Isles may want one piece that’s more currently plug-and-play, like a Myers for Hamonic type deal if Myers weren’t injured, but the total value of that package offered for Hamonic is insanity.

    That said, #7 or #20 as part of the package for a D in a 3-for-1 makes a lot of sense to me.

    2) Why would Arizona prefer to deal with Vancouver? For all we know, Vancouver may want Tkachuk and their asking price might be steeper to “not draft him.” It makes sense to leap frog them.

    We have no way of knowing either way, and all it was is a suggestion.

  58. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Just to illustrate my point:

    Hypothetical scenario
    Edmonton trades: #4 and #32 to Arizona
    Arizona trades #7 and #20 to Edmonton

    Arizona drafts local boy Matthew Tkachuk at #4

    Edmonton trades #20 and Mark Fayne with 25% salary retained to Anaheim for Sami Vatanen.

    Edmonton drafts one of Juolevi, Sergachev, Chychrun at #7.

    Edmonton signs Demers to an UFA contract

    LHD depth:
    Klefbom
    Sekera
    Nurse
    Davidson
    Reinhart
    Juolevi (stays in junior)

    RHD depth:
    Demers
    Vatanen
    Gryba (or equivalent)

    The next smart move is finding a way to move a couple of LHD pieces for one more RHD piece.

    In the mean time, you have someone like Sekera play the right side for now
    Klefbom-Sekera
    Davidson-Demers
    Nurse/Reinhart-Vatanen

    That’s a stronger top 7 than last year and you also add a premium D prospect to the mix, giving you more ability to make a trade.

  59. Professor Q says:

    I think Perron actually loved it in Edmonton. He only speaks the highest praise of it in various media, and seemed genuinely sad he had to miss the Farewell to Rexall celebration (and said he considers himself “once an Oiler, always an Oiler”).

  60. AsiaOil says:

    If #7 and #20 turn into a real RHD then fine – fits my decision framework – but #20 does not move the needle over the next 4 years AT ALL and #7 is less likely to be a difference maker than #4. Fundamentally trading #4/ for a real dman is no different than trading #7/20 for a real dman. ARZ knows we are not taking Tkachuk so will offer less – no way we let Dubois fall to VAN.

    Agree that the NYI deal is a silly overpay.

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    AsiaOil,

    Your logic is flawed on two fronts.

    1) Getting #7 and #20 for #4 and #32 is not a bad move at all. Who says you have to draft with the #20 pick or even the #7 pick? Just because you trade down doesn’t mean that you can’t trade those new picks for assets.

    I think people have lost their minds. Blainer’s offer above of Fayne with salary retained, Yak and #4 for Hamonic (but the Isles may want more) is absolutely crazy talk. Isles may want one piece that’s more currently plug-and-play, like a Myers for Hamonic type deal if Myers weren’t injured, but the total value of that package offered for Hamonic is insanity.

    That said, #7 or #20 as part of the package for a D in a 3-for-1 makes a lot of sense to me.

    2) Why would Arizona prefer to deal with Vancouver? For all we know, Vancouver may want Tkachuk and their asking price might be steeper to “not draft him.” It makes sense to leap frog them.

    We have no way of knowing either way, and all it was is a suggestion.

  61. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Just to illustrate my point:

    Hypothetical scenario
    Edmonton trades: #4 and #32 to Arizona
    Arizona trades #7 and #20 to Edmonton

    Arizona drafts local boy Matthew Tkachuk at #4

    Edmonton trades #20 and Mark Fayne with 25% salary retained to Anaheim for Sami Vatanen.

    Edmonton drafts one of Juolevi, Sergachev, Chychrun at #7.

    Edmonton signs Demers to an UFA contract

    LHD depth:
    Klefbom
    Sekera
    Nurse
    Davidson
    Reinhart
    Juolevi (stays in junior)

    RHD depth:
    Demers
    Vatanen
    Gryba (or equivalent)

    The next smart move is finding a way to move a couple of LHD pieces for one more RHD piece.

    In the mean time, you have someone like Sekera play the right side for now
    Klefbom-Sekera
    Davidson-Demers
    Nurse/Reinhart-Vatanen

    That’s a stronger top 7 than last year and you also add a premium D prospect to the mix, giving you more ability to make a trade.

    Or, really go for it, and instead of drafting a D with #7, offer that to Snow for Hamonic. To me, that’s more in-line with the value of Hamonic than #4.

    Then you’d have in one fell swoop in one offseason:

    Klefbom-Hamonic
    Sekera-Demers
    Davidson-Vatanen
    Nurse
    Reinhart

    And who wouldn’t be happy with that?

  62. commonfan14 says:

    AsiaOil: If Puljujari drops you snag him or you just pick Dubois who is a clear #4 pick to me and on a bit of an island by himself between the top 3 and the next 5 including dmen Sergachev/Juolevi/Chrychun and forwards Tkachuk/Nylander.

    The draft is so maddening.

    We can be fairly sure that the best Dman from the draft is going to end up being more valuable than any player picked from at least as high as #4 on. We just don’t have any idea who will end up being the best Dman from the draft.

    So I agree that Dubois makes the most sense at #4, even as I know that we’ll eventually wish we’d picked someone else.

  63. Tapdog says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Everyone would be happy with that especially Las Vegas 🙂

    Unless a GM offers something insane for the #4 or Chiarelli goes big game hunting on a Karlsson type……….I think he is walking up to the podium and proudly selecting from Cape Breton (QMJHL) C Pierre-Luc Dubois.

    Think of what he could bring and the options he provides Chiarelli.

    This defensive restructuring is not solved in one year.

  64. rickithebear says:

    Leadfarmer:

    The instant you used the trite bull shit term One dimensional.

    I knew you have not looked atfinding the great #1 D.

    it is bull shit.

    if you are lucky there is one d a year that covers:
    comp
    even defence
    Even production
    Pk defence
    PP offence.

    That d was Lidstrom for quite a few years.

    we had a young man that was
    1st pair in comp; Ev def; Ev production; Pk Defence; was 20 spots from covering the bet with PP production.
    if he continues that next year we will be F…………… lucky Tambo and SMB picked him at #19.

    #1 You keep GA down so you do not have to pay stupid f………… cap dollars to Forwards to break even.

    Cause this game is a goal differential game.
    GA have the same value as GF.

    Your silliness is just chasing offensive D that are total Shit at defending.
    they are one dimensional.
    Just like The one dimensional Def D.
    the difference being The oofensive D gets paid more in the cap world.
    and
    they eliminate great even scoring forwards positive goal dif affect.

    Great go get Faulk and Barrie. who have great Offence.

    They are both bottom 20 HSCA D whose shit defence keeps us out of the playoffs.

    I will Take one dimensional Davidson
    who has minimal Even production and PP production,
    who only faces 2nd comp.
    But is top 30 in HSCA and top 20 PKGA.
    Amen! to him!

    Get good HSCA D
    and
    hope they can cover the other units.

    Davidson
    2nd comp
    top 30 HSCA D 2nd line Even def anchor
    TOP 20 PK #1 PK unit

    Klefbom
    1st comp
    Top 60 HSCA D
    Top 30 EVP/60
    An even anchor that covers all aspects of the 1st comp Game.
    there are only 4 of them in the game.
    Top 20 PK #1 PK unit.

    Klefbom-XXX
    Davidson – XXX

    Now you want to chase offensive D so we can help our Even offence.
    EVP/60
    Mcdavid #1 2.75
    Eberle #12
    Hall #13
    Draisatl #19
    Pouliot #40
    Maroon best EVP/60 in league playing with Mcdavid.

    Hall-Drai-XXX
    Pouliot-XXX-Eberle
    Maroon-Mcdavid
    we have the deepest Ev production pairs in the league.

    Oh boy we better go get us some offensive D.
    Cause offensive scoring is the problem! LMFAO!

    Offensive D cost stupid cap hits.
    I want to fill units but keeping the goals down means that our Offence is more than capable of generating the needed goal production.

    We need to replace the Bottom 60 HSCA D and the 4 Bottom 20 HSCA D
    Paying stupid huge dollars for offence when we need HSCA D.
    Faulk .95 EVP/60
    Barrie .85 EVP/60

    I want K. Miller out of Boston cause he is
    Physical;
    A career top 20 HSCA D.
    his EVP/60 this year .85
    has been top 20 PK D start to his career until this year.
    He will cost a whole lot less than the 2 flight paths to the net d.
    This is my priority Target UFA to pair with Sekera facing 2nd comp.
    Sekera should never face 1st period.
    He has never been successful facing 1st comp just like Demers; Barrie; Faulk.

    Klefbom-XXX
    Sekera-Miller
    Davidson-XXX

    you keep fayne hwo had a high ratio of successful HSCA D games with Klefbom.
    Untill you can find a 1st comp HSCA D that also has good Even production.

    Until that time you keep what is best for matching with Klef.

    so we sit at
    Klefbom-Fayne
    Sekera-Miller
    Davidson –

    Klefbom – Davidson PK1
    XXX-Miller PK2
    when you look year to year.

    Sekera is a highly effective PP D.

    there are few that have better numbers.
    and
    almost none thathave a career sub 9.00 HSCA when facing 2nd comp.

    So he is one of my 2 PP D.

    we start at trying to get
    1st Comp anchor D to pair with klefbom that allows us to get rid of Fayne.
    I would love Hamonic as a 2nd comp D cause he is total shit facing 1st comp.
    He has effect even production and a top end PKD ability.

    It would allow him to be slotted with Sekra
    then moving the high EVP/60 K. miller to a a pairing with Davidson

    So that
    Klefbom-XXX

    Sekera – Hamonic
    Davidson – Miller
    can take on some of the bottom 1st comp burden the top D pair usually has to face.

    Klefbom – Fayne 1st; 2nd comp
    Sekera – Hamonic 2nd; 3rd;4th
    Davidson – Miller 2nd; 3rd; 4th

    Klefbom – Miller PK1
    Davidson – Hamonic PK2

    Sekera PP1 withas many PPTOI minutes per game as possible.

  65. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Tapdog,

    Remember they’re only going to lose one player.
    Hall
    Draisaitl
    Nuge
    Klefbom
    Vatanen
    Davidson
    Hamonic
    Eberle

    Talbot

    Exempt McDavid and Nurse
    If they lose a freshly signed Demers or someone else it’s not the end of the world.

  66. godot10 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    AsiaOil,

    Your logic is flawed on two fronts.

    1) Getting #7 and #20 for #4 and #32 is not a bad move at all. Who says you have to draft with the #20 pick or even the #7 pick? Just because you trade down doesn’t mean that you can’t trade those new picks for assets.

    By pick #20, the bell curve kicks in. There really is no difference between #20 and #32. And if there is it is much much smaller than the difference between #4 and #7.

    If one wants to draft a defensemen, than #7 and #20 for #4 is an okay deal, but there is no effing way I toss in a #32 into that deal. The #62 maybe.

  67. blainer says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    AsiaOil,

    Your logic is flawed on two fronts.

    1) Getting #7 and #20 for #4 and #32 is not a bad move at all. Who says you have to draft with the #20 pick or even the #7 pick? Just because you trade down doesn’t mean that you can’t trade those new picks for assets.

    I think people have lost their minds. Blainer’s offer above of Fayne with salary retained, Yak and #4 for Hamonic (but the Isles may want more) is absolutely crazy talk. Isles may want one piece that’s more currently plug-and-play, like a Myers for Hamonic type deal if Myers weren’t injured, but the total value of that package offered for Hamonic is insanity.

    That said, #7 or #20 as part of the package for a D in a 3-for-1 makes a lot of sense to me.

    2) Why would Arizona prefer to deal with Vancouver? For all we know, Vancouver may want Tkachuk and their asking price might be steeper to “not draft him.” It makes sense to leap frog them.

    We have no way of knowing either way, and all it was is a suggestion.

    I do like your idea of trading down and keeping the 7th and trading the 20th .. that is some creative thinking.

    While you are correct as I do worry about my sanity at times my point earlier on my trade idea is that Snow is not in a strong bargaining position. Myers or even Trouba would be a good fit for a trade but if Winnipeg is not interested the trade list for Snow is getting very difficult.

    I will also say that you are correct that they will want a plug and play D as they are in win mode and not rebuilding any more. That is why I suggested Fayne with money retained as he is a RT shot vet. Maybe they can flip the 4th for a D with somebody else and make it a three way.. My point again is that draft pick has immense value.

  68. Rondo says:

    I don’t think Vancouver wants Tkachuk they already have Brock Boeser who is somewhat similar . They want PLD and if he is not there probably a D-man.

  69. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    godot10: By pick #20, the bell curve kicks in.There really is no difference between #20 and #32.And if there is it is much much smaller than the difference between #4 and #7.

    If one wants to draft a defensemen, than #7 and #20 for #4 is an okay deal, but there is no effing way I toss in a #32 into that deal.The #62 maybe.

    Mon ami, you are missing one key point. #20 is worth plenty more in a trade than #32. One is a mid-1st rounder (barely) and the other is an early 2nd.

    A 1st rounder is a lot more enticing in a package for a D man.

    Again I didn’t say to draft at 20. We trade again at 20.

  70. AsiaOil says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Problem is that I doubt ANA settles for a negative value player (Fayne) and a #20 pick for Vatanen. They can do much better than that. But if #4 turns into #7 which is swapped for Hamonic and we keep #20 – I guess that’s OK. But I still think Dubois/Puljujarvi are worth more. Will be interesting to see what Chia does.

  71. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    AsiaOil:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Problem is that I doubt ANA settles for a negative value player (Fayne) and a #20 pick for Vatanen. They can do much better than that. But if #4 turns into #7 which is swapped for Hamonic and we keep #20 – I guess that’s OK. But I still think Dubois/Puljujarvi are worth more. Will be interesting to see what Chia does.

    Hmm, Fayne with salary retained is a serviceable Dman. I don’t think that’s negative value for an internal cap team like Anaheim.

    Maybe they can do better for Vatanen. I have no idea.

    Dubois or Puljujarvi may indeed be worth more than Hamonic and Vatanen. I guess though at some point the team needs to improve soon. And Dubois and Puljujarvi will take time to be impact players.

    I am merely mulling outside the box possibilities where a glaring need is addressed without giving up the Core

  72. godot10 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Hmm, Fayne with salary retained is a serviceable Dman. I don’t think that’s negative value for an internal cap team like Anaheim.

    Maybe they can do better for Vatanen. I have no idea.

    Dubois or Puljujarvi may indeed be worth more than Hamonic and Vatanen. I guess though at some point the team needs to improve soon. And Dubois and Puljujarvi will take time to be impact players.

    I am merely mulling outside the box possibilities where a glaring need is addressed without giving up the Core

    Anaheim doesn’t want a defensemen back for Vatanen. They have Manson and Theodore. Fayne has negative value for them, even at a reduced salary.

    Lindholm, Manson
    Fowler, Bieksa
    Theodore, Despres
    Stoner, Montour

    No room at the inn for Fayne.

    Anaheim will want a forward with some offense plus picks for Vatanen.

    Aside:

    Prediction: Colorado will likely choose team-selected arbitration on Barrie.

  73. Richard S.S. says:

    The first three picks are not being traded as they are very skilled, plug-and-play and really cheap. That’s exactly what Toronto, Winnipeg and Columbus want and need. The Oilers’ fourth overall pick is the most significant and only top four pick being available. It now has extraordinary value over and above what it normally had; top 5 RHD one-for-one value. I don’t think the Oilers should settle for anything less.

  74. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    godot10: Anaheim doesn’t want a defensemen back for Vatanen.They have Manson and Theodore.Fayne has negative value for them, even at a reduced salary.

    Lindholm, Manson
    Fowler, Bieksa
    Theodore, Despres
    Stoner, Montour

    No room at the inn for Fayne.

    Anaheim will want a forward with some offense plus picks for Vatanen.

    Aside:

    Prediction: Colorado will likely choose team-selected arbitration on Barrie.

    Honestly, whatever. My point is getting so lost at this point anyway. The point isn’t to trade away Fayne. Replace him with something else then.

    The point is that if you obtain pick #20, that’s a nice chip that can be used in a package for a defenseman that shakes loose from some team, for example, Vatanen from Anaheim because his contract demands are too high for that team.

    That’s the point.

  75. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Rondo:
    I don’t think Vancouver wants Tkachuk they already have Brock Boeserwho is somewhat similar. They want PLD and if he is not thereprobably a D-man.

    Boeser’s a right wing last I checked. Tkachuk left wing. They probably do prefer Dubois, though.

  76. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    godot10: By pick #20, the bell curve kicks in.There really is no difference between #20 and #32.And if there is it is much much smaller than the difference between #4 and #7.

    If one wants to draft a defensemen, than #7 and #20 for #4 is an okay deal, but there is no effing way I toss in a #32 into that deal.The #62 maybe.

    What bell curve are you using?

    By using LT’s measure of 100 games, which is also Scott Cullen’s we have the following:
    Track record of playing 100 NHL games:
    #4: 85%
    #7: 90%
    #20: 70%
    #32: 34%

    I’ll leave aside the #7 actually having a higher hit rate than #4 as an anomaly to help your side of the argument.

    But the gap between #20 and #32 is significant.

    #4 and #32 is very likely to be worth less than #7 and #20.

    Here’s the article:
    http://www2.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/story/?id=455673

  77. Rondo says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker",

    Have you read this one?

    “TRADING UP IN THE NHL DRAFT: IS IT WORTH IT?”

    http://nhlnumbers.com/2016/5/1/is-it-worth-it-to-trade-up-in-the-nhl-draft

  78. godot10 says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": What bell curve are you using?

    By using LT’s measure of 100 games, which is also Scott Cullen’s we have the following:
    Track record of playing 100 NHL games:
    #4: 85%
    #7: 90%
    #20: 70%
    #32: 34%

    I’ll leave aside the #7 actually having a higher hit rate than #4 as an anomaly to help your side of the argument.

    But the gap between #20 and #32 is significant.

    #4and #32 is very likely to be worth less than #7 and #20.

    Here’s the article:
    http://www2.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/story/?id=455673

    100 games is an irrelevant measure. I reject that criterion.

    Probability of obtaining an impact player…i.e. a top three forward, or a top pairing defender should be the criterion.

  79. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Rondo:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Have you read this one?

    “TRADING UP IN THE NHL DRAFT: IS IT WORTH IT?”

    http://nhlnumbers.com/2016/5/1/is-it-worth-it-to-trade-up-in-the-nhl-draft

    I hadnt. Thanks. On that one between 1988 and 1997 the 4 and 32 vs 7 and 20 is almost dead even in value with a slight edge to 4 and 32. I think drafting and scouting has improved now to the point where that gap has narrowed. That’s reflected in Cullen’s piece where 7 and 20 is worth more.

    Okay, so it’s close either way…may not be worth it if you are drafting at those positions.

    My argument was addressing possible trades with those picks.

    Oilers start out with #4 and #32.
    #4 is an overpayment for Hamonic. #32 is underpayment for Vatanen.

    Trading for 7 and 20 evens out that problem. 7 for Hamonic 20 for Vatanen.

    When it comes time to make Anaheim an offer for Vatanen and you have a mid 1st rounder to offer as opposed to an early 2nd will it make a difference? You bet.

    But if you just want to draft an impact player, which is Godot’s criterion, of course you stand pat at 4 and take your guy.

    I just think your original idea was interesting and worthy of discussion. I don’t think it’s cut and dried either way.

  80. AsiaOil says:

    One of Dubois or Puljujarvi will be there for us and I remain convinced that Columbus is seriously considering Dubois given their critical hole at center and cap issues. It just makes sense. But in any case – you don’t trade the #4 for more magic beans – you trade it for serious player. I think we can agree that Hamilton a valuable dman and he went for #15/45/32 which is an expected 819 games played – the #4 is worth an expect 783 games – similar. That is the established value of the #4 on it’s own – about Dougie Hamilton.

    I actually think Columbus or Winnipeg could try get the Oilers pick. Trouba is I think close value for #4 straight across and Winnipeg can afford to do it. If Columbus takes Dubois then the jets might want both Finns. Columbus has a dire need for a center and Atkinson as their top RW. How nice would both Puljujarvi and Dubois look on that team? David Savard and their 2nd round pick would be OK. Like I said – lots of options – but a good top 4 RHD is required or we keep the pick. It has extreme value.

  81. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    AsiaOil,

    So Hamonic and Vatanen don’t qualify?

    I keep seeing people saying the pick should only be moved for a legit top 4 RHD. And I suggest going from 4 +32 to Hamonic + Vatanen via 7 +20.

    Of course Anaheim and NYI may want more but I think it addresses these stated top 4 RHD needs.

  82. godot10 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    AsiaOil,

    So Hamonic and Vatanen don’t qualify?

    I keep seeing people saying the pick should only be moved for a legit top 4 RHD. And I suggest going from 4 +32 to Hamonic + Vatanen via 7 +20.

    Of course Anaheim and NYI may want more but I think it addresses these stated top 4 RHD needs.

    I doubt #20 gets you Vatanen. Anaheim will just wait for someone to offer sheet Vatanen and get more than that, albeit next year.

    I expect they want Pouliot with $1 million retained (to balance out Maroon) and the #32, and perhaps Musil.

  83. AsiaOil says:

    Sure I like the idea – and if Chia could pull that off we all buy him a drink – but I think ANA values Vatanen at more than a later first rounder

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    AsiaOil,

    So Hamonic and Vatanen don’t qualify?

    I keep seeing people saying the pick should only be moved for a legit top 4 RHD. And I suggest going from 4 +32 to Hamonic + Vatanen via 7 +20.

    Of course Anaheim and NYI may want more but I think it addresses these stated top 4 RHD needs.

  84. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    godot10,

    AsiaOil,

    Yeah, I don’t think #20 alone gets Vatanen, either. Part of a 2- or 3-for-1.

  85. JimmyV1965 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: I’m sure Chia is aware of this.

    Sorry that doesn’t even come close to the cost for Faulk. It starts with #4 and RNH.

  86. GCW_69 says:

    We have now had three sources over the past six months note that money could put Lindholm in play. In Lindholm isn’t on Chiarelli’s list then he isn’t doing his job.

    Man, you look at who might replace Eberle if he is traded and it’s pretty grim. Okposo is the only real free agent this summer that makes any sense but in general I don’t think he goes to Edmonton.

    Then you look at trade options to replace Eberle and it’s still grim if you want a right shot.

  87. JimmyV1965 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Or, really go for it, and instead of drafting a D with #7, offer that to Snow for Hamonic. To me, that’s more in-line with the value of Hamonic than #4.

    Then you’d have in one fell swoop in one offseason:

    Klefbom-Hamonic
    Sekera-Demers
    Davidson-Vatanen
    Nurse
    Reinhart

    And who wouldn’t be happy with that?

    Frick guys. The Isles don’t even want draft picks. They want players. They are in win-now mode.

  88. Jaxon says:

    I know the 4th line is not really where Edmonton’s problems lie, but I would love to see a much cheaper 4th line that hits a lot and can all win a faceoff and get shots on net so the top 9 can come out for offensive zone draws.

    Watching the TBL NYI series and the Islanders 4th line, I think Edmonton could build a very cheap, fast, hard hitting 4th line that is really good on the faceoff dot like Matt Martin, Casey Cizikas and Cal Clutterbuck.

    Current 4th Line:
    Hendricks (1.85M) – Letestu (1.8M) – Korpikoski (2.5M) = 6.15M
    I would prefer something like this:
    Hendricks (1.85M) – Brad Malone (0.75M) – Pakarinen (0.925M) = 3.525M
    Or:
    Hendricks (1.85M) – Brad Malone (0.75M) – Ryan White (0.9M) = 3.5M (ideal 4th line with Hendricks still on team)
    Or, if Hendricks is going to be traded at the next deadline maybe something like:
    Derek Grant (0.775M) – Brad Malone (0.75M) – Pakarinen (0.925M) = 2.45M
    Or even this where all 3 are good on the draw:
    Derek Grant (0.775M) – Brad Malone (0.75M) – Ryan White (0.9M) = 2.425M (this may be the ideal 4th line)
    Or this:
    Derek Grant (0.775M) – Brad Malone (0.75M) – Jim O’Brien (0.65M) = 2.175M

    I searched for cheap, relatively young UFAs with high faceoff%, high hit rate and relatively high shots on goal:
    Brad Malone 26yr, C/LW, 6’2″, 207lbs, left shot: (FO: 64.52% on 62 draws, H/60: 13.7, SOG/60: 3.4)
    Jim O’Brien 27yr, C/RW, 6’2″, 201lbs, right shot: (FO: 59.18% on 49 draws, H/60: 7.8, SOG/60: 3.3)
    Matt Hendricks 34yr, LW/C, 6’0″, 209lbs, left shot: (FO: 55.41%, on 453 draws, H/60: 11.7, SOG/60: 4.1)
    Derek Grant 26yr, C/LW, 6’3″, 192lbs, left shot: (FO: 54.95% on 111 draws, H/60: 9.2, SOG/60: 8.1)
    Lauri Korpikoski 29yr, LW/RW, 6’1″, 205lbs, left shot: (FO: 52.94% on 34 draws, H/60: 6.1, SOG/60: 5.3)
    Ryan White 28yr, C/RW, 6’0″, 201lbs, right shot: (FO: 52.42% on 351 draws, H/60: 13.6, SOG/60: 5.8)
    Mark Letestu 31yr, C/RW, 5’11”, 194lbs, right shot: (FO: 51.29% on 1162 draws, H/60: 3.2, SOG/60: 5.0)
    Iiro Pakarinen 24yr, RW, 6’1″, 194lbs, right shot: (FO: 38.46% on 13 draws, H/60: 13.5, SOG/60: 6.7)

    Grant-Malone-White would yield a FO % of 54.4%, 36 hits/60 min!, and 17.25 shots/60 min. for a measly $2.425M

    Matt Martin is also a UFA. He would be the ultimate 4th line hitting machine. He outpaces the entire NHL by a long shot at a whopping 25.9 hits/60 mins.!!!! Alberta born David Dziurzynski isn’t far behind at 23.39 hits/60 mins, then former Oiler Mike Brown at 23.3 hits/60 but none of them take draws often or well.

    I know, least of our problems, but a cheap effective 4th energy line is pretty valuable, especially if it helps them spend money elsewhere. Thoughts?

  89. Jaxon says:

    rickithebear,

    I find I am agreeing with most of your reasoning so I’d like to see what you (or anyone else, for that matter) think of my capfriendly team.

    I’ve actually gone over the number of contracts allowed at 52, but I am showing multiple options at certain positions and know they would never be able to make all of the transactions listed.

    I’ve kept almost all the core and the 1st round pick.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/96436

  90. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    JimmyV1965: Sorry that doesn’t even come close to the cost for Faulk. It starts with #4 and RNH.

    Jimmy, if you read again
    In my mind that means acquiring Faulk would cost one of:
    #4
    Draisaitl
    RNH
    Hall
    plus something else on top to get Carolina to pull the trigger if it’s #4 or RNH.

    JimmyV1965: Frick guys. The Isles don’t even want draft picks. They want players. They are in win-now mode.

    And if you read again:
    I think people have lost their minds. Blainer’s offer above of Fayne with salary retained, Yak and #4 for Hamonic (but the Isles may want more) is absolutely crazy talk. Isles may want one piece that’s more currently plug-and-play, like a Myers for Hamonic type deal if Myers weren’t injured, but the total value of that package offered for Hamonic is insanity.

    I don’t know why you’ve chosen to be antagonistic, but if you actually read what I wrote carefully before dismissing it, then I think you’d see that your characterization of my comments is not reflective of what I actually wrote.

    Hope you have a good evening.

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