ONE MAN’S CEILING IS ANOTHER MAN’S FLOOR

One year after arriving in Edmonton, Peter Chiarelli and Todd McLellan have certainly spent some of their reputations on an Oiler team that remains in the basement. I think many observers of the Oilers (based on my interactions with them) were not impressed with McLellan in year one, but his reputation in the hockey industry remains strong. In a recent interview, newly-signed Drake Caggiula talked about why Edmonton was a great fit for him. Among the more interesting quotes:

  • Caggiula: “They have a core group of players who are talented and highly skilled. I hope to step up and grow with that core. My talk with Todd McLellan (Oilers’ head coach) went great. I like his style of player and it suits me well and my coaches at North Dakota also know Todd and they said he was good.” Source

One doubts McLellan requires a boost in reputation among the masses (recall the major applause McLellan received at the final Rexall game), but it is an interesting insight into the decision-making process for the young man.

Nice to see another youngster from that 2015 Entry Draft get signed (Connor McDavid and Caleb Jones are already under contract). I suspect he will play another year in Seattle with the Thunderbirds before turning pro. I have talked to hockey people, sounds like he has in fact developed in important areas. Passing and his shot are strengths, he will want to improve his speed over the next couple of seasons. Righthanded, that gives him extra value on the Oilers 50-man list (when he signs).

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  • Combines quickness and accelaration with agility and balance. A 50-goal scorer with Moose Jaw of the WHL. 

One of the things I believe the Oilers will be looking for this year at the draft is a gritty forward with skill. Ryan Smyth represents the type of player Peter Chiarelli and Oilers fans have in common—and I wonder if that player is available in this year’s draft.

  • Corey Pronman on Pierre-Luc Dubois: He’s a very physically developed player, who is strong, competitive on the ice, drives to the dirty areas, and is committed to his fitness off the ice. Whenever Dubois gets into a 1-on-1 battle, he tends to come out with the puck. He’s not the fastest skater but he doesn’t slug around the ice, either. He projects as an NHL forward who can be slotted into a variety of roles, and has a low-risk factor on his projection. Source
  • Red Line Report on Matt Tkachuk: The prototype of a modern power winger. Has great size and strength, and wins every puck battle around walls and corners. Makes power moves to the net. Has outstanding vision and playmaking skills. Has a real mean streak if you get him riled up, but would prefer to beat you with perfectly timed and placed passes or a wicked snap shot. Dominant force can take over games. Will hit, fight, score, and is one of the most competitive bastards you’ll ever find. Source
  • Dennis MacInnis, Director of Scouting for International Scouting Services on Logan Brown: “Man, this kid’s got tremendous upside. He’s 6-5 now, a smooth skater. He was in tough against Kitchener (in the playoffs) because he was up against the No. 1 line. But Brown handled himself well. At that size down the middle, when you can skate and handle the puck like he can, he could go anywhere from seven on down.” Source

I have no idea—honestly—what Edmonton’s draft board looks like for defense (will guess Juolevi, Sergachev, Chyhcrun), but I bet you money these three forwards are on the board. Would they take Tkachuk at No. 4? I think he might be their guy. Would they take Dubois? He appears to be a perfect fit for the Chiarelli Oilers. Logan Brown? Yes! I believe we could see Edmonton trade down and take him—and I would not be shocked to see PC choose Brown at No. 4 overall. Seriously.

CHIARELLI SUMMER LIST

  1. Top-pairing D to partner with Klefbom (Jason Demers, Justin Faulk)
  2. Second-pairing RHD to partner with Sekera (Tyson Barrie/Sami Vatanen)
  3. Acquire RHC with some skill (Small group available. Andrew Shaw? Tommy Wingels? Tyler Bozak?)
  4. Offload unwanted contract (Lauri Korpikoski)
  5. Backup goalie (Jhonas Enroth, James Reimer)
  6. Find value contracts (Davidson, Maroon, possibly Caggiula)
  7. Re-stock the Condors, partly through Euro, college and CHL signings (Caggiula and Russell, but also Ellis and Sallinen)
  8. Build up the system (especially forwards) via draft (big summer)
In terms of a top-pairing option, Demers is my preference and I believe Peter Chiarelli probably has him as an option. The problem of course is this: You cannot count on grabbing the one available RHD FA who can fill the role. Edmonton did win Andrej Sekera in free agency last summer, but remember there were several options for teams around the NHL.This brings us to Justin Faulk, who has now replaced Travis Hamonic as the popular option on blogs and twitter. If we go back to Chiarelli’s media avail where he was so positive about RNH, it is difficult to marry the two things (Nuge staying, Faulk arriving) unless Jordan Eberle is enough. Is that a fair reflection of the conversation?
  • Jim Matheson: If the Canes and Oilers are talking about right-shooting D-man Justin Faulk, Carolina’s assistant GM Ricky Olczyyk used to do the same job here, so he would presumably be ’Canes’ GM Ron Francis’s sounding board on centre Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or right winger Jordan Eberle. Source

This is important, because unicorns (unicorns!) require three centers, and Edmonton has a dandy trio in Connor McDavid, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Leon Draisaitl. I am leaving my asset list as is, because I do believe PC would prefer not to trade a center. That said, we may have to revisit this as the days go down.

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CHIARELLI ASSET LIST

  1. No. 4 overall selection (trading down—not out—sounds like the current plan)
  2. Benoit Pouliot (Anaheim for Vatanen?)
  3. Jordan Eberle (Faulk? I think CAR may want a center)
  4. 2017 1st round selection (certainly in play)
  5. Young LHD (Darnell Nurse, Brandon Davidson) (this list may depend on the health of both Klefbom and Davidson. If one or both are not expected to be full speed by TC, this may not be an avenue)
  6. Nail Yakupov (if they get a reasonable offer, he is exiting the system)
  7. Cap space (Edmonton might be able to get a player like Bozak on the cheap because of it)

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  1. Jethro Tull says:

    “One year after arriving in Edmonton, Peter Chiarelli and Todd McLellan have certainly spent some of their reputations on an Oiler team that remains in the basement.”

    LT, your title suggests two ways of looking at something. I don’t think they spent some of their reputations, rather, their reputations sadly confirmed what we all dreaded to acknowledge: That the Oilers were a terrible team with terrible management making terrible decisions, and had been since the Pronger trade.

    I mean, what did people seriously expect? Saddled with some of those contracts? With that D? Playoffs were unrealistic, if we’d have got there, it’d be by being last year’s Calgary or the year before Colorado. I think some poster’s heads would explode if that had happened. I think 20th would have been the apex of realistic possibility.

    It is turning north, but as I’ve posted before, when Chia and TMac took over, it was a truly fresh start, not a reboot with the guys who made the decisions of the last 10 years in any positions of real influence. Coupled to what they inherited, i’d say the season went pretty much as can be expected.

  2. John Chambers says:

    I wonder what the Oilets think of Dubois as a centre.

    Imagine a scenario where the price for Faulk is, say, RNH and Reinhart. The Oilers keep the #4 OV pick and select Dubois. Then they throw money at Frans Neilsen to bridge the gap at C until Dubois arrives.

  3. Jethro Tull says:

    Hey, LT, site seems a little clunky this morning.

    Is it you or is it me?

  4. supernova says:

    Stauffer mentioned it briefly in passing not as a possibility but

    Bozak for Fayne Plus

    What if the plus was Lander

    Than gives us a lot more options even keeping RNH

    McDavud-RNH-Bozak with Drai on RW on RNH line

  5. John Chambers says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Fact is the team underperformed (injuries are a bitch but 29th still), and both know they have to be at least a 90-point team next year. If they can’t achieve that their reputations will suffer.

  6. Lowetide says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Hey, LT, site seems a little clunky this morning.

    Is it you or is it me?

    Yeah, seems unsmooth.

  7. Lowetide says:

    supernova:
    Stauffer mentioned it briefly in passing not as a possibility but

    Bozak for Fayne Plus

    What if the plus was Lander

    Than gives us a lot more options even keeping RNH

    McDavud-RNH-Bozak with Drai on RW on RNH line

    Bozak is a reasonable option imo, and Fayne is expendable if the Oilers can find three RH this offseason who are better. I wonder if that is possible.

  8. DRFNsuperstar says:

    Your asset list makes sense but it is impossible that Pouliot, #4, Eberle, and Yak (less impact) all leave for D. Who would bury Mcdavids divine gifts when Maroon’s numbers return to earth? There are no scoring wingers in the system. If Pouliot and Eberle go, a veteran scoring winger needs to be signed or traded for and the 4th pick used on PLD or Tkachuk. Vice versa if 4th is traded down for Dumba or Severson (with Yak) and Eberle (with Reinhart) goes for Barrie then Pouliot can’t leave.

    Everything would be easier if they can get Demers for close to Sekera money. Most Chia media statements seems to point to Eberle and Yak moving on for D anyway.

  9. JimmyV1965 says:

    I think the Oil are closer to the playoffs than many of us realize. The team earned 19 points in 19 games after getting rid of Schultz at the trade deadline. Over the course of a full season that’s obviously 82 points. In a typical year that puts us only about 10 points out of a playoff spot. The nice thing is that our roster was really limping to the finish line, with many of our key players on the DL.

  10. Jethro Tull says:

    supernova: What if the plus was Lander

    Cue huge posts from people saying we can’t trade Lander, despite him having a smaller EVP/60 than some NHL goalies.

    Because nobody can be traded, ever.

  11. Jethro Tull says:

    John Chambers:
    Jethro Tull,

    Fact is the team underperformed (injuries are a bitch but 29th still), and both know they have to be at least a 90-point team next year. If they can’t achieve that their reputations will suffer.

    Did they underperform? Or was that D just not good enough? There’s some nice individual stats, especially from the forwards. But to say ‘under perform’ indicates that D was used to playing much better. A bunch of rookies playing before they should, a career bridesmaid (Fayne), Klef injured, leaving Sekera to hold the fort. And Eric Gryba. This is what we went to battle with.

  12. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide: Yeah, seems unsmooth.

    It’s me. There’s a hidden advert on the site with the cheesecake recipe I’m making on. Gotta do something while listening to the Canada game and parenting whilst the wife is at this Zulu challenge thing in Grande Prairie.

  13. dustrock says:

    How different is Tkachuk from Dustin Penner?

  14. DBO says:

    dustrock,

    He is a mean SOB, and initiates contact. Probably same skill and size, but like his mean streak. That’s the one thing we all wanted from Penner.

  15. DBO says:

    So is this the more realistic D. Money not withstanding, no idea how or if it works.

    Klefbom-Demers
    Sekera-Fayne (they were fine in this role last year)
    Davidson-Vatanen (O zone heavy)

    No star, but 6 real defenseman.

    Guess it comes down to. Is Demers. Fayne, Vatanen better then Subban, Nurse, Gryba. Same dollars for Right side. And the Vatanen trio only costs Pouliot, while the other one costs Nuge.

  16. Ducey says:

    I am having trouble understanding how Tkachuk has great size. He is 6’1″ 195 lbs. Do Hall or Ryan Smyth have great size?

  17. Lowetide says:

    DRFNsuperstar:
    Your asset list makes sense but it is impossible that Pouliot, #4, Eberle, and Yak (less impact) all leave for D.

    The list is not intended as a guide to all of the assets leaving, but rather a list of items that are more likely to be in play. The list is from most likely to least likely, not a reflection of most to least valuable.

  18. Jethro Tull says:

    DBO,

    Still early doors on Davidson, but boy, do I dare to dream? Found money, and I think the third pairing minutes to start the season is the right call. If he continues to improve, then great. We’re due for a late pick coming good.

  19. Lowetide says:

    Ducey:
    I am having trouble understanding how Tkachuk has great size. He is 6’1″ 195 lbs. Do Hall or Ryan Smyth have great size?

    At 18, that is good size. He will probably play as a mature player well over 200 and of course he could still sprout.

  20. Braden28 says:

    RNH co-hosts an annual golf tournament in support of Cystic Fibrosis with Rod Brind’Amour in Campbell River, BC (where I live). The jokes fly every year about RNH moving to a real team, to which I get mad and tell my wife that Rod is tampering! This has been happening for the last 4 years and I can’t not get mad.

    Now the rumours of RNH to Carolina start and I can’t help thinking that Rod, as an assistant coach in Carolina, will have his two cents and RNH will move up their list.

    It will be a sad day if baby nuge gets traded. On top of being an amazing hockey player, he’s an incredible human.

    http://www.campbellrivermirror.com/news/308273091.html?mobile=true

  21. Ducey says:

    Lowetide: At 18, that is good size. He will probably play as a mature player well over 200 and of course he could still sprout.

    Yeah. But that seems about average. Great size seems like Yak2 or Logan Brown. 6’3″+

  22. Rondo says:

    Corey Pronman’s latest top 100 prospects has Sergachev ranked #17.

  23. Soup Fascist says:

    Ducey,

    The question is are those numbers for Tkachuk legitimate? If they are he is already bigger than Ryan Smyth. No way he played at 6’1″‘and 200lbs.

    Jordan Eberle is listed as 5’11” on most websites. If that is the case, I am 6’3″.

    I think in very recent years the combine does a much better job in putting real numbers together.

    A legitimately 6’1″ 200 lb 18 year old will likely be a big man.

  24. supernova says:

    Lowetide: Bozak is a reasonable option imo, and Fayne is expendable if the Oilers can find three RH this offseason who are better. I wonder if that is possible.

    Lowetide,

    Bozak For Fayne & Lander

    Pysyk from Buffalo
    Stevenson from NJ

    Options could be trading down and acquiring there pick and the player or pick 32 for them.

  25. godot10 says:

    Jethro Tull: Did they underperform?Or was that D just not good enough?There’s some nice individual stats, especially from the forwards.But to say ‘under perform’ indicates that D was used to playing much better.A bunch of rookies playing before they should, a career bridesmaid (Fayne), Klef injured, leaving Sekera to hold the fort.And Eric Gryba. This is what we went to battle with.

    Nelson ran at basically the same points per game as McLellan with a worse roster.
    Krueger ran at a better points per game with an all western conference schedule with a worse roster.
    They both had critical injuries too, and no training camp.

    McLellan’s power play sucked.

    McLellan was underwhelming in his first season, based on his reputation. He gets the benefit of the doubt in year one. He looked like a thoroughly mediocre coach though, but that is a big improvement over the dementor. But one was hoping for a coach that was above replacement level, and that is all we got last year…replacement level.

  26. Soup Fascist says:

    supernova: Lowetide,

    Bozak For Fayne & Lander

    Pysyk from Buffalo
    Stevenson from NJ

    Options could be trading down and acquiring there pick and the player or pick 32 for them.

    Has Mark Pysyk proven that he is a bona fide NHL defenceman? Is he an appreciable upgrade to Oesterle – who could play the right side? I hope the Oilers are fishing in deeper ponds TBH.

  27. leadfarmer says:

    If Demers is our #1 RHD going forward this rebuild is already in trouble. I think him being the #2RHD is a much better spot for him.

    McLellan’s roster deployment definitely has scattered question marks. He deployment of Brent Burns as a winger is a definite head scratcher. Playing Schultz on the PP and giving him that much ice time is also curious decision. Him saying that you can’t run three top notch centers in a lineup also made me give him a strange look. But overall I’m happy he is here. We definitely needed someone with a track record that while is not spotless, is overall pretty decent and at least he has a general idea what to do. I’ve said this at the start of this year. The true test for Chia and TMac is next year. This year was pretty much a mulligan with how much their hands were tied with the previous regimes decision making. I really feel that people here overstate a coaches ability to influence a team’s position in the standings. Babcock and TMac, the two most desired coaches last year, and overall two of the more desired coaches in the game finished bottom of the standings. Is it cause Babcock decided to preach sporadic chaos in his teams defensive play, or is it that he no longer has Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall to lead his team.

  28. smellyglove says:

    Couple points:

    – What’s the reason that Carolina trades Faulk, their 0.5 PPG, RHD with decent size, decent possession metrics on a poor team, on value contract, plays 24m a night….. ?That’s the type of player that every team needs. Once you have one, and Faulk is young, why would you let them go? Would be like the Oilers trading RNH or Draisaitl before you had McDavid.

    – LT: I know you love Davidson, and he is a great young D-man, but is it wise to be counting on him to play a significant role on the Oilers next year? He had a good 50 game run this year. Last year, Lander, who is about the same age, had a good 40 game streak and he was penciled in as a rock solid #3C for 2015-16. How did that end up?

    – On site sluggishness: I feel it too when commenting. By typing in the entry field, my cursor looks like it’s mired in quicksand.

  29. godot10 says:

    Brian Burke said he was relieved that the Flames only dropped one spot to #6, which suggests that Logan Brown is not getting past #6.

    If the Oilers want Dubois, Tkachuk, or Brown, they pretty much have to pick him at #4. If they trade down, they are picking a defensemen or Jost/Mcleod

  30. Lowetide says:

    godot10:
    Brian Burke said he was relieved that the Flames only dropped one spot to #6, which suggests that Logan Brown is not getting past #6.

    If the Oilers want Dubois, Tkachuk, or Brown, they pretty much have to pick him at #4.If they trade down, they are picking a defensemen or Jost/Mcleod

    Lol. Well, there is quite a bit of guesswork there, but a 6.06 center is no doubt of interest to Burke.

  31. lynn says:

    Soup Fascist: Has Mark Pysyk proven that he is a bona fide NHL defenceman?Is he an appreciable upgrade to Oesterle – who could play the right side? I hope the Oilers are fishing in deeper ponds TBH.

    But Mark Pysk used to play for the Oil Kings; he has to better than Oesterle. Right?

  32. slopitch says:

    Trading down too me means they like the Finnish defender. Too many teams want/need a big C. If you want Brown or Dupois, just take him.

    Did you guys hear Button ranking Barrie, Vatanen and Faulk? He likes V best. If it’s that case and you can do Pouliot+ for Vatanen then maybe it’s the play. Keeping Erberle to play with McDavid is fine by me.

    Sign Demers and spend the rest on depth. Is that enough change? The D sure is better.

  33. godot10 says:

    It boggles my mind that Carolina would consider trading Faulk. I don’t believe it. But I would trade Nugent-Hopkins for him. It would make me sad to trade Nugent-Hopkins. But I really don’t believe Carolina is trading Justin Faulk.

  34. Rondo says:

    godot10,

    I agree with you. If they do want a D-man then this is the play

    Edmonton’s #4 + #32 to Arizona for #7 + #20.

    4. Tkachuk ( From Scottsdale) Arizona would have to take him
    5. PLD- Vancouver
    6. Brown or Nylander- Calgary
    7. The top D my guess Juolevi

  35. Soup Fascist says:

    smellyglove:
    Couple points:

    – What’s the reason that Carolina trades Faulk, their 0.5 PPG, RHD with decent size, decent possession metrics on a poor team, on value contract, plays 24m a night….. ?That’s the type of player that every team needs. Once you have one, and Faulk is young, why would you let them go? Would be like the Oilers trading RNH or Draisaitl before you had McDavid.

    – On site sluggishness: I feel it too when commenting. By typing in the entry field, my cursor looks like it’s mired in quicksand.

    The Canes strength is young D-men. Weakness is lack of legit top 2 centres. Oilers have – gasp – centre depth but a huge hole in terms of RHS d-men who can put up points. Is it a fit? Possibly. Does a RNH / Faulk move rob Peter to pay Paul for both organizations. Likely.

    The reason for the sluggishness / quicksand-like performance of the site is simple. According to Eklund, Lowetide is rumoured to have recently hired Alex Plante as his Webmaster.

  36. Soup Fascist says:

    lynn: But Mark Pysk used to play for the Oil Kings; he has to better than Oesterle. Right?

    Valid point. LOL.

  37. godot10 says:

    Rondo:
    godot10,

    I agree with you. If they do want a D-man then this is the play

    Edmonton’s #4 + #32to Arizona for #7 + #20.

    4. Tkachuk ( From Scottsdale)Arizona would have to take him
    5. PLD- Vancouver
    6. Brown or Nylander- Calgary
    7. The top D my guess Juolevi

    The only way that I trade the #4OV is if a get an actual legit reasonably young top 4D in the deal.

    Arizona has Domi and Duclair on LW. And Strome at centre. They are probably happy picking Chychrun at #7, who would be ready to make a dominant impact just when Ekman-Larsson is a UFA.

    Their advanced stat GM probably doesn’t care too much of the place of birth of a player. Keith Tkachuk was only “visiting” anyways. Matt T is not a true home-grown-native like Matthews.

  38. supernova says:

    Soup Fascist: Has Mark Pysyk proven that he is a bona fide NHL defenceman?Is he an appreciable upgrade to Oesterle – who could play the right side? I hope the Oilers are fishing in deeper ponds TBH.

    If we are discussing replacing Fayne we are looking for a 4/5 RH D man.

    Pysyk has 100 Games more NHL experience. In regards to possession metrics was a top player for Buffalo’s D.

    I like Oesterle a lot but I don’t think we would be comparing apples to apples.

    Should we be looking for more experienced D ? Absolutely.

    I am not even sure it would take the 32 to get Pysyk, might take less.

  39. who says:

    Kind of like the Bozak idea. Been wondering about him for a couple of months, ever since the Leafs started dumping contracts. I think the question would be how much they value him or would they just like to dump that salary. If they are going after Stamkos and drafting Matthews they may just want to dump the salary. Wonder if they would take a year of Korp, Musil and a 3rd rounder for him.
    I like the player. Miscast as a number 1 center in Toronto for years but a solid 2nd or 3rd line option. Good on face offs. Good on power play. Right handed. Would be nice if he was a little bigger but I would prefer him over Shaw

  40. Soup Fascist says:

    supernova: If we are discussing replacing Fayne we are looking for a 4/5 RH D man.

    Pysyk has 100 Games more NHL experience. In regards to possession metrics was a top player for Buffalo’s D.

    I like Oesterle a lot but I don’t think we would be comparing apples to apples.

    Should we be looking for more experienced D ? Absolutely.

    I am not even sure it would take the 32 to get Pysyk, might take less.

    Fayne is a better option than Pysyk strictly in terms of helping make the Oilers D better next year, IMO. If the salary savings allowed you to bring in two legitimate top 4 RHS defenceman, certainly the Oilers could live with Pysyk on the bottom pairing.

    Personally I would not give up 32. Would a Reinhart / Pysyk trade make sense? I honestly think there is more upside in Griffin’s game. But adding a RHS is desirable and Buffalo may not mind the brother act.

  41. supernova says:

    lynn: But Mark Pysk used to play for the Oil Kings; he has to better than Oesterle. Right?

    This is dumb.

    I expect that you are joking

    But the ridiculousness that comes from some Oiler fans about anything Oil Kings is just stupid.

    Oesterle is a good player, so is Pysyk.

    Go back and check his whole career.

  42. supernova says:

    Soup Fascist: Fayne is a better option than Pysyk strictly in terms of helping make the Oilers D better next year, IMO. If the salary savings allowed you to bring in two legitimate top 4 RHS defenceman, certainly the Oilers could live with Pysyk on the bottom pairing.

    Personally I would not give up 32. Would a Reinhart /Pysyk trade make sense?I honestly think there is more upside in Griffin’s game. But adding a RHS is desirable and Buffalo may not mind the brother act.

    Soup Fascist,

    Fayne is likely better right now, maybe Pysyk would be this time next year.

    Others have floated the GR for Pysyk idea too, but I am not sure it would take that much.

    Reports out of Buffalo are very similar to how our management values Marincin or Petry.

    Fayne also earns $2 M more a year.

  43. frjohnk says:

    godot10:
    Brian Burke said he was relieved that the Flames only dropped one spot to #6, which suggests that Logan Brown is not getting past #6.

    If the Oilers want Dubois, Tkachuk, or Brown, they pretty much have to pick him at #4.If they trade down, they are picking a defensemen or Jost/Mcleod

    Whoever they pick at 6th, Burke will say “we had him rated number1”.

  44. Gret99zky says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I think the Oil are closer to the playoffs than many of us realize.

    Seems the team was supposed to be closer to the playoffs this season as well.

    29th place finish.

    We hoped for the best but it turned out like always.

    Until we see actual evidence of “closer to the playoffs” (ie: out of the bottom 10) we should be careful of predicting anything relating to the playoffs.

  45. lynn says:

    supernova: This is dumb.

    I expect that you are joking

    But the ridiculousness that comes from some Oiler fans about anything Oil Kings is just stupid.

    Oesterle is a good player, so is Pysyk.

    Go back and check his whole career.

    Pysyk (wrong of me to misspell his name in my original post) and Oesterle are good players. Pysyk might look good in the new arena. I just don’t understand the ire from many for anyone related to the Oil Kings. Joking, I was.

  46. Bag of Pucks says:

    If we’re talking hits to McLellan’s reputation since he left San Jose, the Sharks improved play under Deboer in this season’s playoffs might merit some consideration as well. That said, Martin Jones is likely the best goalie TMac never had.

  47. lynn says:

    I’m enjoying the start to the Canada and Slovakia game at the WHC. Both teams are skating well, making good plays. Talbot looks good in goal.

  48. Water Fire says:

    godot10: Nelson ran at basically the same points per game as McLellan with a worse roster.
    Krueger ran at a better points per game with an all western conference schedule with a worse roster.
    They both had critical injuries too, and no training camp.

    McLellan’s power play sucked.

    McLellan was underwhelming in his first season, based on his reputation.He gets the benefit of the doubt in year one.He looked like a thoroughly mediocre coach though, but that is a big improvement over the dementor. But one was hoping for a coach that was above replacement level, and that is all we got last year…replacement level.

    I’ll have less patience for McLellan next year.

    Last year was about submission from the team. They will never get off the floor if they don’t learn how to do things in an NHL way, which they haven’t since Pronger, and is why they are terrible.

    The first step in a dysfunctional organization is to gain control. That often means people have to go so the direction will be followed largely.

    Teams that win follow the coach’s lead. There is more than one look to that, but everybody has to pull in the same direction. The league is too competitive to not have this.

    Tampa is a great example, lots of turmoil for a while over Cooper and players seeming unhappy, here they are deep in the playoffs without their best player. Or maybe second best. And Drouin playing well after an attitude adjustment.

    McLellan and Chiarelli were laying a foundation, and Chiarelli will look for players that fit their vision of the team’s style. If they manage to do this well, the Oilers will be a very good team for a decade at least.

  49. russ99 says:

    Winning and balance across the roster is more important than unicorns, and I really don’t see any path where both can co-exist unless we can somehow find all-world two-way wingers to play with RNH on the third line. With our current group, it’s impossible.

    Besides, I’m shocked that there is so much love around here for a MacTavish ideal, when it’s obvious all his other ideals failed miserably.

    We didn’t bring McLellan and Chiarelli here to play firewagon hockey.

  50. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Just a general comment to the group (as this is not directed at any individual) that I feel it is dishonest if we now claim we shouldn’t have expected better results.

    The 2014-2015 was the most frustrating season I have ever witnessed, caused (by my recollection) by terrible coaching, inconsistent effort from players, and embarrassing goaltending (not helped by a poor trade deadline). Then, last summer, we got McDavid and Talbot. I seem to recall most posters here were hoping for playoffs, but expecting the team to compete for a playoff spot. Only 2 posters predicted the Oilers to end up below 70 points… most of the rest were predicting mid-to-high 80s.

    It’s fair to say that injuries were worse than expected, but every one of us had every right to expect an improvement from the 2014-2015 28th place finish!

  51. go_oil says:

    Should be an interesting summer… I agree they should go after Demers as the first option and then fill in behind him via a trade with the pick and/or wingers first.

    I’m not averse to trading the Nuge if it can help land someone like Faulk, but then they need to replace the Nuge as most people have pointed out. Andrew Shaw in a trade would be perfect – heck they should do that even if they keep the Nuge.

    I think it would be better to trade out wingers first: Yak, Pouliot, Eberle in that order. Then it would be easier to sign UFA wingers than centers.

    From LT’s previous post: “If the Oilers could send over Benoit Pouliot and Nail Yakupov for Sami Vatanen and Brandon Pirri, would you?” I would say, absolutely. But a few unknowns still… hearing from Friedman on Stauffer’s show that the Ducks may keep Lindholm and Vatanen on qualifying/bridge offers. Who knows, maybe Demers stays with the Stars.

    I think they should look at Dumba/Spurgeon, Severson or Barrie – for a winger + a young left defenseman?

  52. go_oil says:

    In regards to McLellan – he needs Chia to give him the right horses. Interesting words from Deboer here about the Sharks: http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1026410

    “The core guys are still the same, but the core guys here are great. They have great habits, they’ve been well coached for a decade by the previous staff that was here. They’re not the problem, it was filling in behind them. We’ve got those type of people here now, and I think the guys at the top feel that and are feeding off it.”

    Who are the Oiler’s core guys? I think this is the summer for McLellan/Chia to figure out with a year under their belts and then find the right guys to compliment them. I don’t question McLellan’s coaching abilities – they need to build the right roster.

  53. geowal says:

    Pretty goal by Hall, nice deflection of a shot-pass by Stone after a beauty cross-Ice pass by McDavid.

  54. Pretendergast says:

    Loving the respect Ferraro has for Mcdavid’s abilities.

    “You compare him against the best in the world, and he’s still the best”

    Great quote, the comparison with Bure’s speed being power and Mcdavid’s being elegant was well articulated as well.

  55. rickithebear says:

    Lt: You should lisren to 1260.

    Buton was asked about barrie faulk Vatanen
    All need veteran cover.
    Lack of comp faced.
    Barrie d sucks.
    Faulk might develop d.
    Vatanen best all round d.
    Picks vatanen hands down.
    Not worried about his size.

  56. geowal says:

    Pretendergast:
    Loving the respect Ferraro has for Mcdavid’s abilities.

    “You compare him against the best in the world, and he’s still the best”

    Great quote, the comparison with Bure’s speed being power and Mcdavid’s being elegant was well articulated as well.

    Pretty good respect for Hall too, can’t say I’m used to it yet.

  57. lynn says:

    geowal: Pretty good respect for Hall too, can’t say I’m used to it yet.

    I hope Hall is with the Oilers next season. He has his warts, but he is a damn good player.

  58. JDï™ says:

    Now why did the title of this piece instantly make me think of this:

    http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads11/two+story+outhouse1187615188.jpg

    ???

  59. rickithebear says:

    go_oil:
    In regards to McLellan – he needs Chia to give him the right horses.Interesting words from Deboer here about the Sharks: http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1026410

    “The core guys are still the same, but the core guys here are great. They have great habits, they’ve been well coached for a decade by the previous staff that was here. They’re not the problem, it was filling in behind them. We’ve got those type of people here now, and I think the guys at the top feel that and are feeding off it.”

    Who are the Oiler’s core guys?I think this is the summer for McLellan/Chia to figure out with a year under their belts and then find the right guys to compliment them.I don’t question McLellan’s coaching abilities – they need to build the right roster.

    PC was supplied.
    Hall – drai- xxx
    Pouliot – rnh- Eberle
    Xxx-mcdavid -yakupov
    Hendricks-gordon-xxx

    Klefbom- Fayne
    Xxx-Marincin
    Davidson-xxx

    Talbot
    Brossoit.

    Sekera ufa
    Reinhart 16 and 33
    Gordon for Korpikoski
    Letestu Ufa
    Marincin gets gryba
    Kassian life reclamation.
    Maroon offered by gm cause of pc rep.

  60. rickithebear says:

    lynn: I hope Hall is with the Oilers next season. He has his warts, but he is a damn good player.

    Can you name the wc forward who was in the top 5 pvp even scoring the most last 4 years.
    Hall 3
    Toews 2
    Getzlaf 2

  61. lynn says:

    Cam Talbot the player of the game for Canada against Slovakia. Nice.

  62. Lowetide says:

    rickithebear:
    Lt: You should lisren to 1260.

    Buton was asked about barrie faulk Vatanen
    All need veteran cover.
    Lack of comp faced.
    Barrie d sucks.
    Faulk might develop d.
    Vatanen best all round d.
    Picks vatanen hands down.
    Not worried about his size.

    I do listen to TSN1260, all the time! 🙂 that said, it is possible to have differing opinions. Faulk is a better player based on my math God, so we are not going to agree.

  63. lynn says:

    Lowetide: I do listen to TSN1260, all the time! that said, it is possible to have differing opinions. Faulk is a better player based on my math God, so we are not going to agree.

    You listen and work there, too–an amazing skill. I love differing opinions brought forth in an intelligent fashion.

  64. rickithebear says:

    Lowetide: I do listen to TSN1260, all the time! that said, it is possible to have differing opinions. Faulk is a better player based on my math God, so we are not going to agree.

    Your math god thinks 4th line svoring from d is priority.
    God is god.
    Allothers are just men serving.
    Jesus
    Mohamed
    Ghandi
    Moses.
    You burn if you treat men as god.

    Or

    in this case follow a false god (math god)

    The hsca is my belief.
    Just a man using his skills folowing god.

    Picking d based on math god has already burned many teams and fans.

  65. JimmyV1965 says:

    rickithebear:
    Lt: You should lisren to 1260.

    Buton was asked about barrie faulk Vatanen
    All need veteran cover.
    Lack of comp faced.
    Barrie d sucks.
    Faulk might develop d.
    Vatanen best all round d.
    Picks vatanen hands down.
    Not worried about his size.

    I remember listening to Button on the radio a few weeks ago saying he wouldn’t trade Vatanen straight across for RNH or Eberle. I was all offended that he valued our two forwards so poorly. Then I hear him on the radio yesterday and he rates Vatanen ahead of Barrie and Faulk and it all makes sense now. Not sure I would rank them that way.

  66. stevezie says:

    Isn’t trading Drai at least as viable as trading Nuge? I know we want “size down the middle”, but perhaps the skilled rhC Chia’s hunting could address that.

  67. Professor Q says:

    Soup Fascist:
    Ducey,

    The question is are those numbers for Tkachuk legitimate?If they are he is already bigger than Ryan Smyth. No way he played at 6’1″‘and 200lbs.

    Jordan Eberle is listed as 5’11” on most websites. If that is the case, I am 6’3″.

    I think in very recent years the combine does a much better job in putting real numbers together.

    A legitimately 6’1″ 200 lb 18 year old will likely be a big man.

    I was legitimately 6’1″ and 185 lbs at 18 (then dropped to 145 lbs in 3 weeks).

    I am currently 6’1″ and 190 lbs.

    Some grow, some do not.

  68. Professor Q says:

    stevezie:
    Isn’t trading Drai at least as viable as trading Nuge? I know we want “size down the middle”, but perhaps the skilled rhC Chia’s hunting could address that.

    I think maybe we should stop trying to trade everyone away as soon as we get good players. It’s ridiculous.

  69. Doug McLachlan says:

    I suspect that the available defense options on the trade market will be less than we all hope.
    Are any of us really comfortable trading Eberle or Nuge for a less than bona fide #1 D?

    Listening to Button on TH2N I must grudgingly agree with him that the play at #4 is to pick the defenseman we want. Number one defensemen are drafted not traded. I would love to deal down but to whom for what?

    Can we safely assume that Tkachuk, Dubois, Nylander, all go before any of the D? Only if the answer is an unequivocal yes do you risk trading down and then only as far down as Arizona at 7.

  70. rickithebear says:

    We allowed teens to play on our team cause veterans could not keep them off.
    Hall – draisatl – Kassian
    Pouliot – rnh – eberle
    Maroon – Mcdavid – Yakupov
    Hendricks – letestu –

    Klefbom – fayne
    Sekera – xxx
    Davidson – xxx

    Talbot
    Brosoit

    A 2018 expansion may alot of sense and requires alot of current tslent drafted in 2015 to be protected.
    This years draft will not need to be protected.

    So I sign ufa d to year contracts.
    As the bring ins for us.

  71. stevezie says:

    Professor Q,

    I’m not trying to trade anyone, I’m just throwing around scenarios in May. But I would be surprised if we can get the two defenceman we need without moving anyone.

    Of the forwards we have, Eberle is our only good right hander, Nuge has the most two-way abilities, Hall is the best, and McDavid is significantly better than the best. I’m not sure if Pou can get us what we need, and anyway I don’t think we have the depth to absorb his loss as easily as some seem to think.

    Drai has a lot of trade value, and “talented center” is the only position on the team where we’re deep, and if we’re planning on acquiring rhC anyway…

    Really I’m just wondering why Nuge and Eberle are by far the most common names thrown around. Seems like Drai should be mentioned at least as often.

    Or maybe we trade the 4th for the 10th and Tyson Barrie, I don’t know.

  72. stevezie says:

    Professor Q: I was legitimately 6’1″ and 185 lbs at 18 (then dropped to 145 lbs in 3 weeks).

    I am currently 6’1″ and 190 lbs.

    Some grow, some do not.

    Were you working out for a living?

    While your conclusion is definitely true, I’m not sure your example applies here.

  73. Doug McLachlan says:

    stevezie,

    Ok, let’s game that out. We get Barrie but he will need to get paid, as he should. Who will be left at 10?

  74. Professor Q says:

    stevezie,

    No, I got sick.

  75. Professor Q says:

    stevezie,

    I was more so referring to the height thing, anyway. Soup Fascist made it seem like it is a sure bet that someone at 17/18 who is 6’1″ will grow significantly taller.

    Which is not the case, nor could be changed by working out.

  76. Professor Q says:

    stevezie,

    That is indeed interesting. I think it’s due to their 6 million dollar salaries, or perhaps perceived unhappiness with the club or something. Nuge for Jones rumours didn’t help.

    I personally don’t think we’re that deep at centre, which was shown when Nuge was injured, and to trade a centre away now would effectively undo 10 years of not having centre depth and trying to get centre depth by reverting back to not having centre depth.

    How quickly Oilers fans forget.

    If we trade Eberle, who will do ATB commercials with Giordano?!

    I don’t know the answer. Maybe there isn’t one. No magic pill. I just think there will be steps back in some departments in lieu of thinking about the problems fully, and jumping some guns.

    Yet, c’est la vie. Whatever happens will happen.

  77. stevezie says:

    Professor Q,

    That was someone else, but I your point that it’s not guaranteed is well taken. However, I do think it’s a good bet that someone who’s only job is to exercise could easily add ten pounds of muscle. Maybe twenty depending on their frame.

    Though I’d agree that Tkachuk’s size doesn’t warrant the adjective “great”.

  78. prairieschooner says:

    Just an observation re RNH
    Either he or Drai will be our third line centre
    That is a pretty major investment in that position
    How do the Oilers manage their resources. I doubt we have the luxury of keeping anything tucked away for a rainy day personnel wise
    They have to go for 2 major lines and a super strong D core
    A trade of RNH as painful as it may be could be part of the price to get to where we need to be

  79. stevezie says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    stevezie,

    Ok, let’s game that out. We get Barrie but he will need to get paid, as he should.Who will be left at 10?

    Well I think we can call the the first five picks pretty confidently. The consensus for the next five seems to be the three D, Nylander, Brown.

    To me, any of these except Nylander would make an excellent pick and there’s always the chance someone in the 6-9 range goes off the board. There’s a chance we get stuck looking at Nylander or Jake Bean, but we have a decent shot at something that fits nicely.

    The 2016 difference between 4 and 10 is palpable, but holy good mercy do we need a guy like Barrie. Plus it would allow us to keep Nuge/Ebs etc.

    I’d probably do it.

  80. RJ2016 says:

    Re: PC and TM: I don’t think their reputations took a hit. I don’t think they were as good as they were hyped.

    TM was preferred over Nelson because TM is an elite offensive coach! We saw elite play from McDavid, and superior play from Hall and Drai, but I wouldn’t ascribe that to TM or his wunderkind coach, Woodcroft.

    PC is a veteran GM! I would rather have Hextall or Snow managing these Oilers. At best, he’s been meh. Other GMs have made moves, PC has made excuses.

  81. go_oil says:

    rickithebear,

    Actually, he didn’t inherit Talbot, but signed him.

    I think Talbot, Sekera and Maroon were all solid adds. Letestu and Gryba decent fillers. And Reinhart and Kassian have potential. Korpikoski of course can go. 3 more solid adds would be good this summer – 2 right-handed D and a right-handed center/winger.

  82. Doug McLachlan says:

    stevezie,

    Oh I would be quite happy with Barrie. If the Vatanen deal is still on the table and we can also get Demers as a free agent signing we can start to focus elsewhere as the source of all our problems.

    Of course, I doubt we could afford all of them.

  83. go_oil says:

    prairieschooner,

    I think it’s imperative the Oilers keep that strength up the middle. You see in the playoffs how the 3rd line can have a big impact, and the versatility you have with forwards who can play center/wing is invaluable. Keep McDavid, Nugent-Hopkins, Draisaitl and Hall – those are my core forwards.

  84. godot10 says:

    go_oil:
    Should be an interesting summer… I agree they should go after Demers as the first option and then fill in behind him via a trade with the pick and/or wingers first.

    It is impossible for Demers to the the first option, since he is not available till July 1. He is the last desperate option if all else has failed before July 1. Chiarelli cannot bet or wait on a UFA. Failure to fix the defense this summer is NOT an option.

    Demers is going to wait for desperate GMs on July 1. You don’t want Chiarelli to be one of them. Because then it is Russian roulette where instead of only one bullet, there is only one chamber without a bullet.

  85. Doug McLachlan says:

    godot10,

    So for arguments sake, are we looking for a defense good enough to win the Cup this summer or just one capable of getting a Wildcard spot?

  86. Doug McLachlan says:

    godot10,

    If memory serves, while you can’t sign players before the 1st you can talk with them prior to the draft.

    Chia and company should have a good sense of the lay of the land by draft day.

  87. godot10 says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    godot10,

    So for arguments sake, are we looking for a defense good enough to win the Cup this summer or just one capable of getting a Wildcard spot?

    One probably can only improve the D enough to be a legitimate playoff contender…unless Subban or PIeterangelo is coming. Contending level would have to come from the existing young D, and the one’s being traded for reaching their potential in the medium term.

    The goal has to be 90 points, and playing meaningful games in late March.

  88. RexLibris says:

    prairieschooner:
    Just an observation re RNH
    Either he or Drai will be our third line centre
    That is a pretty major investment in that position
    How do the Oilers manage their resources. I doubt we have the luxury ofkeeping anything tucked away for a rainy day personnel wise
    They have to go for 2 major lines and a super strong D core
    A trade of RNH as painful as it may be could be part of the price to get to where we need to be

    I suspect Draisaitl and Nugent-Hopkins are the C/W options rather than 3rd C options, in a vein similar to Thornton/Pavelski in San Jose.

    Both are centers but play together often. It provides the line with two first-line centers and gives the opposition fits.

    I’d wager Draisaitl could find himself on Nugent-Hopkins’ wing opposite Hall with Maroon and (depending on summer moves) Eberle flanking McDavid.

    The 3C is an issue, and this is where the need for a veteran right-handed player for the position becomes a key acquisition.

  89. go_oil says:

    godot10,

    Good point… but Demers is going to get paid regardless. I think Chia has to be in there – within reason of course. We need to improve the D for playoffs.

  90. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: I suspect Draisaitl and Nugent-Hopkins are the C/W options rather than 3rd C options, in a vein similar to Thornton/Pavelski in San Jose.

    Both are centers but play together often. It provides the line with two first-line centers and gives the opposition fits.

    I’d wager Draisaitl could find himself on Nugent-Hopkins’ wing opposite Hall with Maroon and (depending on summer moves) Eberle flanking McDavid.

    The 3C is an issue, and this is where the need for a veteran right-handed player for the position becomes a key acquisition.

    That is how I see it to. If the top two lines are as you say, and the Oilers acquire Bozak, the 3line could be:

    Pouliot-Bozak-Pakarinen

  91. supernova says:

    lynn: Pysyk (wrong of me to misspell his name in my original post) and Oesterle are good players. Pysyk might look good in the new arena. I just don’t understand the ire from many for anyone related to the Oil Kings. Joking, I was.

    My apologies for sounding off.

    Ever since Oilers management reached and picked Moroz I have grown tired of people criticizing the Oilers for taking anyone with a Oil kings connection.

    Talent Evaluation in their backyard should be a good thing.

    Also if they decide on a player that was a Oil King and over spend to get player, the player shouldn’t be be disregarded. Management can be chastised for poor asset management.

    Almost any time I suggest a player that once played for the Oil Kings some immediately disregard said player or talk like he is trash just do to this connection.

  92. Lowetide says:

    supernova: My apologies for sounding off.

    Ever since Oilers management reached and picked Moroz I have grown tired of people criticizing the Oilers for taking anyone with a Oil kings connection.

    Talent Evaluation in their backyard should be a good thing.

    Also if they decide on a player that was a Oil King and over spend to get player, the player shouldn’t be be disregarded. Management can be chastised for poor asset management.

    Almost any time I suggest a player that once played for the Oil Kings some immediately disregard said player or talk like he is trash just do to this connection.

    Agree completely. There have been outstanding Oil Kings and they will have quality NHL careers. Wait five years!!!

  93. AsiaOil says:

    Lowetide: Agree completely. There have been outstanding Oil Kings and they will have quality NHL careers. Wait five years!!!

    Except Reinhart 🙂

  94. Lowetide says:

    AsiaOil: Except Reinhart :)

    Including Reinhart! 🙂

  95. Fog of Warts says:

    Spoiler alert: no RHD discussed herein.

    —-——

    I just now had a flashback to HIS JUDGEMENT COMETH after watching John Oliver on Mandatory Minimums concerning the Weldon Angelos case.

    In the red & blue trucks of HFBoards outrage, we have Nurse’s three-gamer vs Domi’s one-gamer.

    So ****ing pathetic.

    If Domi had gotten 3 games, I wouldn’t even be mad with this ruling, but the situation is EXACTLY THE ****ING SAME, only difference being, Nurse landed a good shot and drew blood.

    The inconsistency is ****ing mind blowing.

    ———

    Punitive Menu — Real World

    Aircraft hijacker: 24 years in prison
    Terrorist: 20 years in prison
    Child rapist: 11 years in prison

    As Oliver points out, 55 years is what a child-raping, terrorist, hijacker faces (assuming the sick cat proves more “durable” behind bars than the protagonist of Dallas Buyers Club after drinking two quarts of Rasputin’s magical blood—by which I mean the still-invigorating, au naturel vintage).

    Sentence received by first-time, low-level pot dealer: 55 years

    This particular pot-selling idiot probably engaged in concealed carry during the three rigged transactions—evidence is limited to the testimony of a single witness—and while Oliver downplays this factor, the added detail doesn’t exactly establish a level playing field.

    Why Is Weldon Angelos Still Behind Bars?

    In fact, the 55-year sentence for possessing a firearm three times in connection with minor marijuana offenses is more than twice the federal sentence for a kingpin of a major drug trafficking ring in which a death results, and more than four times the sentence for a marijuana dealer who shoots an innocent person during a drug transaction.

    That’s right: Angelos would have been treated less severely if he had shot the police informant posing as a customer instead of selling him pot twice more.

    To re-purpose the sandpaper serenade from HFBoards as hush-little-cricket, cucumber-sandwich understatement, “the inconsistency here is ****ing mind blowing”.

    Here’s the thing about inconsistency: no-one parses minuscule inconsistencies quite like a partisan with an axe to grind.

    ———

    I first trued my own bicycle wheel around the age of 13, and let me tell you, I got it good and perfectly planar relative to the brake pads (in my unformed teenage mind, I persisted in calling this “round”).

    No doubt my wheel was reduced 1/4″ in diameter by the time my careful ministrations concluded—and not even all that consistently—which I discovered on my first bumpy test tide, before first contact with a small rock or the curb caused it to potato chip back into strain relief (whereupon, had I been more entrepreneurial, I could have sharpened the rims and sold it as a giant pizza cutter). After this tooth-jarring lesson (and hours of remedial spoke turning) I learned—at least in theory—to count and conserve quarter turns of the spoke wrench (ideally, on both sides of the wheel independently, lest one shifts the tire’s plane of rotation from side to side).

    Of course, bicycle wheels are a strange, pathological case. As we all know, any fool could hammer the sportsman’s punitive code—across the multiple axes of timing, intent, actions, and outcomes—into the roundness of Gabriel’s own halo at the first muscular glance of bristling manhood.

    ———

    Let’s revisit perspective.

    He had been working in Fort McMurray for two years, flying home every six months to see his wife and daughter—but only for a few days because the flight was expensive and he had to get back to work. He was so excited, I did everything but get out and push that plane to Toronto to get him there early. Put my ass in a different place hearing him tell his story, gave me perspective in about 30 seconds.

    Six months in Mac? How about 20,000 days in Max? (Make that 20,089 plus or minus a few leap days if you’re chalking along.)

    “His two boys were five and seven, they were just destroyed. You could see the sadness in them all the time.”

    Now old enough to true their own wheels, one of his teenaged sons was interviewed in the Oliver clip.

    “It’s cruel. Like, I’m not saying he didn’t deserve anything, but he did serve his time. I think he’s in there long enough. Like, the minimum should have been five years, maybe. Fifty-five years is way too much.”

    ———

    “Of course, a responsible father of two”—long drag—”should have taken that into account”—too-cool-for-school pursed-lipped exhale—”before he committed his illegal act in the first place. Hey—medium drag—who’s turn is it to run out for chips and pizza anyway? I think I just heard the horn sound for second ‘mish.”

  96. fifthcartel says:

    Lowetide,

    I would hope Pouliot-Bozak-Parenteau.

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