THE OILERS AND THE USA (2016)

If year one of the Peter Chiarelli era is an indication, the USA could be a major growth market for the Edmonton Oilers at the draft. More Americans are getting drafted each season (as you will see below) and the town team seems to be getting their share.

NHL TOTAL PLAYERS/USA PLAYERS DRAFTED BY YEAR AND TOTAL

  • 2015 NHL draft—211 total players, 58 from USA.
  • 2014 NHL draft—210 total players, 50 from USA.
  • 2013 NHL draft—211 total players,  53 from USA.
  • 2012 NHL draft–211 total players, 57 from USA.
  • 2011 NHL draft, 211 total players,  52 from USA.
  • 2010 NHL draft 210 total players, 51 from USA.
  • 2009 NHL draft, 211 total players, 53 from USA.
  • 2008 NHL draft,  211 total players, 42 from USA.
  • FINAL TALLY: 1,686 total players, 416 from USA
  • PERCENTAGE: 24.6%

OILERS TOTAL PLAYERS/USA PLAYERS DRAFTED BY YEAR AND TOTAL

  • 2015 NHL draft—6 total players, 2 from USA
  • 2014 NHL draft—6 total players, 2 from USA
  • 2013 NHL draft—10 total players, 1 from USA
  • 2012 NHL draft–7 total players, 2 from USA
  • 2011 NHL draft–9 total players, 1 from USA
  • 2010 NHL draft–11 total players, 1 from USA
  • 2009 NHL draft–7 total players, 1 from USA
  • 2008 NHL draft–5 total players, 0 from USA
  • FINAL TALLY: 61 total players, 10 from USA
  • PERCENTAGE: 16.4%

The Oilers were well behind the rest of the league through 2013, but the last two seasons have been spending 33 percent of their picks on American rosters. One thing that remains true about Edmonton: They do not spend their high picks in the USA.

OILERS USA PICKS SINCE 2008

  • D Troy Hesketh. Did not develop as a player.
  • C Tyler Pitlick. A promising draft pick lost much of his career to injury.
  • D Dillon Simpson. Drafted out of UND, he progressed at that level slowly but surely and became an integral part of the team. Appears to be doing the same in the AHL, and that could be his ceiling. That said, we don’t know that, and he is making progress.
  • D Joey Laleggia. Uneven first year pro, he showed well with the puck but is an adventure without it. Played some at forward and could possibly be utilized as a utility player.
  • R John McCarron. Big winger did not sign with the Oilers and won a pro contract with the Penguins organization. Had a pedestrian start to his pro career.
  • L Aidan Muir. Big winger did not progress this season, in fact his freshman season was much better. Not quite stalled out, but there has to be concern about him.
  • G Zach Nagelvoort. His best season came in the year he was drafted. This year, he lost his job and was used sparingly. Pro career would have to be considered in jeopardy at this point, he does have time.
  • F Tyler Vesel. Ran in place during his sophomore season, I think he still has prospect status. A two-way forward in an organization that has very few.
  • D Caleb Jones. A revelation in his draft +1 season, Jones moved to the WHL and displayed outstanding mobility and far more offense than expected. His read and reaction needs work (according to scouts) but he made giant steps this year.
  • D John Marino. Exceptional draft and follow, he was under the radar (I had him on my list, but only because of Kirk Luedeke). Marino had a strong year, improving his puck moving skills and showing off great skating ability. Miles to go, but encouraging progress.

TOP PLAYERS FROM THE USA, 2016 DRAFT

  1. C Clayton Keller, USNDTP (USHL): 7GP, 4-10-14 at U18s. Impact offense.
  2. RD Charlie McAvoy, Boston University (NCAA). Complete D, and a righty.
  3. C-L Kieffer Bellows, USNDTP (USHL). Scoring forward.
  4. RC Dylan Gambrell, U of Denver (NCAA). Fast, skilled, brilliant.
  5. C Luke Kunin, Wisconsin (NCAA): Luedeke: has skating & shot of prolific scorer.
  6. C Tage Thompson, Connecticut Huskies (NCAA). Legit skill player.
  7. L Riley Tufte, Fargo Force (USHL). Big W, buzz on this guy is pretty massive.
  8. L Cameron Morrison, Youngstown (USHL). Skill winger, fine skater, shooter.
  9. RD Adam Fox, US National Team (USHL). Creative, intelligent, good skater. 5.10, 183.
  10. L Mitchell Mattson, Grand Rapids (USHS). Tall forward with speed and skill. PF?
  11. L Matt Filipe, Cedar Rapids (USHL). 6.02, 200 and skilled.
  12. R Wade Allison, Tri-City Storm (USHL). Size, skill, spiked in final CS ranking.
  13. LD Chad Krys, US National Team (USHL). Two-way D, creative with the puck.
  14. C Tanner Laczynski, Lincoln Stars (USHL). A solid offensive player.
  15. R Joey Anderson, US National Team (USHL). Very skilled, average size and speed.
  16. R Andrew Peeke, Green Bay Gamblers (USHL). Big, mobile D, plus shot.
  17. C Trent Frederic, US National Team (USHL). Two-way C with size.
  18. RD Jake Ryczek, Waterloo Blackhawks (USHL). Appears to be a spark offensively.
  19. C Rem Pitlick, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL). Small and very skilled C. Cousin of Tyler.
  20. R William Lockwood, US National Team (USHL). Outstanding U18s. Rugged.
  21. G Joseph Woll, US National Team (USHL). .947 at U18s.
  22. C Patrick Harper, Omaha Lancers (USHL). Very small, very skilled.
  23. RD Chase Priskie, Quinnipiac (NCAA). Puck-moving defender.
  24. LD Luke McInnis, Youngstown Phantoms (USHL). A fast train with skill. Sleeper.
  25. LD Ryan Lindgren, US National Team (USHL). Two-way D, great passer.
  26. G Jack Lafontaine, Janesville Jets (NAHL). A .921 SP.
  27. L Graham McPhee, US National Team (USHL). Two-way winger.
  28. R Kevin O’Neil, Albany Academy (USHS). Creative offensive player.
  29. L Michael Graham, Eden Prairie (USHS). Good size and some skill.
  30. RD Mitch Eliot, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL). Two-way defender.
  31. LD Joseph Masonius, US National Team (USHL). Intelligent defender.
  32. C Gustaf Westlund, Gunnery Prep (USHS). Speed merchant, will he score enough?
  33. G Eric Schierhorn, Minnesota (NCAA). A .906 SP.
  34. LD Griffin Luce, US National Team (USHL). Don’s grandson, big defender.
  35. L Ross Colton, Cedar Rapids Roughriders (USHL). Had a big top prospects games.
  36. L Max Zimmer, Chicago Steel (USHL). Highly rated, math is no help here.
  37. G Peyton Jones, Lincoln Stars (USHL). A .922SP, but he is 20.
  38. LD Kenneth Johnson, Shattuck-St.Mary’s (USHS). Giant two-way D.
  39. L Brandon Duhaime, Tri-City Storm (USHL). Small skill winger.
  40. L Nick Nick Pastujov, US National Team (USHL). May be a tweener. Skill W.
  41. G Tyler Johnson, Topeka Roadrunners (NAHL). A .906 SP.
  42. L JD Greenway, US National Team (USHL). Solid defender, some skating concerns.
  43. L Keenan Suthers, US National Team (USHL). He is 6.07, 220.

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25 Responses to "THE OILERS AND THE USA (2016)"

  1. Oil2Oilers says:

    NYC Oil; Enjoying a McSorley and a burger after a ferry ride. Thanks

  2. Ryan says:

    I was in south Florida last November. Kids were outside playing street hockey in my mother-in-law’s neighborhood. That’s when I realized that the world has changed.

  3. AsiaOil says:

    As Godot10 said in the last thread – Demers is the last option – not the first. He will get paid far beyond his worth. If you expect him to play on the top pair to be worth the overpay then you are setting up a Horcoff situation. Don’t mind being in the mix but no NMC and for no more than $4.25 million. If he’s a top pair dman then why is DAL letting him go????? Jim Nill is not an idiot.

    Lots of possibilities…….we wait.

  4. Ryan says:

    AsiaOil:
    As Godot10 said in the last thread – Demers is the last option – not the first. He will get paid far beyond his worth. If you expect him to play on the top pair to be worth the overpay then you are setting up a Horcoff situation. Don’t mind being in the mix but no NMC and for no more than $4.25 million. If he’s a top pair dman then why is DAL letting him go????? Jim Nill is not an idiot.

    Lots of possibilities…….we wait.

    I’m hoping where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

    Stauffer has been blowing smoke over Faulk for awhile.

    I’ll take RNH for Faulk all day long.

  5. Water Fire says:

    I want to address a comment from the last thread I didn’t get to, sorry.

    Pro Q mentioned being 6’1″ 185 lbs at 18, Stevezie wondered if he worked out all the time.

    The average NHL scorer as of a few years ago was 6’1″ just over 200 lbs. Scorer meaning not the big guys typically.

    Athletes in contact sports are usually bigger than average people, logically.

    Any guy lighter than Pro Q at 18, as an above average height guy, was/is slight. Not an athletic build. That doesn’t mean not an athlete, but someone slight who has overcome that disadvantage for contact sports.

    Just as being shorter is a disadvantage in hockey. It means a loss of reach and leverage and stride.

    Even in basketball, which is allegedly not a contact sport and where height is an advantage, the tall heavy guys with ability are golden – the skill players are often smaller and rely on speed and IQ.

    Being too tall or heavy usually causes problems in hockey as well, especially with agility and acceleration, which makes me not so hot on Logan Brown. Speed and quickness are king as Connor shows, at least right now. If Brown gets much bigger he’ll probably get slow. There is only so much speed you can learn or everybody in the league would be fast.

    The McDavid Oilers need to be about speed and high tempo, the best type of hockey.

    Height adds reach, which is why forwards are typically smaller and faster and D are taller and heavier. Each trait provides an advantage in the given position. Of course effort and attitude and speed can allow anyone to get where they want in the game, still it remains a rarity.

    Height was an advantage for goalies when equipment was loosely regulated, now I bet we see a trend to agility again as holes become open.

    There are outliers that are tall, heavy and fast, agile, smart and have great shots, like Ovechkin, and, um, Jagr?

    Chia knows about physical size and has commented as Bruins GM and ours. He describes players as ‘heavy’ meaning a guy at 5’10” 185 like Caggiula is often powerfully built, as is a guy at 6’2″ 210 lbs, Messier’s size. He also factors in effort to the ‘heavy’ equation – stick, hard to play against.

    Elite NHL players max their physical potential to compete at a high level over a grueling season.

    Connor worked his butt off last summer and next season will come back at 200lbs at least. Hall is quite muscular now, Nuge is ripped. Klef is ripped. Eberle is not ripped.

    The players that have struggled or are really underdeveloped in areas, or don’t develop enough push back have more often than not ignored the required fitness and strength level, as I see it.

    I wonder about Leon, and if he has focused on bulk more than leg strength and cardio which are key in hockey, and this in part causes his power outages after a certain point in the season.

    I also wonder from his pictures if he has airflow inflow issues which hinder him. One of my sons has this and I see the look on him.

  6. JimmyV1965 says:

    Ryan:
    I was in south Florida last November. Kids were outside playing street hockey in my mother-in-law’s neighborhood.That’s when I realized that the world has changed.

    Just awesome!!!

  7. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    JimmyV1965: Just awesome!!!

    Oil2Oilers:
    NYC Oil; Enjoying a McSorley and a burger after a ferry ride. Thanks

    Double awesome!

  8. JimmyV1965 says:

    Ryan: I’m hoping where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

    Stauffer has been blowing smoke over Faulk for awhile.

    I’ll take RNH for Faulk all day long.

    I’ll take that deal all day long too, but that simply won’t get it done. I’m not trying to be a jerk, but I’ve heard this proposal a lot lately, and it’s totally unrealistic. To get an objective view of this trade, I’ve put the question to the posters at a Montreal fan site. If people really want an unbiased opinion on this, I suggest they do the same.

  9. Lois Lowe says:

    Dillon Simpson is only 23. It’s not too late for him, sundials and all.

  10. Gret99zky says:

    Will anyone send Dallas a condition pick to negotiate with Demers before July 1st?

  11. dustrock says:

    Clayton Keller for the win. I take him at 4. There I said it.

  12. Skeeziks says:

    Given everything I know and understand about Faulk, he appears to be atop tier defenseman. This makes him an excellent target for Chiarelli this summer. I wish him well.

    As for our #4 overall pick, I believe we would be best served by trading down to the #7 spot and also obtaining the #20 pick. If Chiarelli is able to draft Chychrun at #7 and a McAvoy or Bean at #20 then the Oilers will be well established with D talent for the next 5 years.

    As almost every poster states, it is comparatively easy to obtain talented wingers compared to acquiring talented D men. It is time for the Oilers to live it.

  13. Chachi says:

    AsiaOil:
    As Godot10 said in the last thread – Demers is the last option – not the first. He will get paid far beyond his worth. If you expect him to play on the top pair to be worth the overpay then you are setting up a Horcoff situation. Don’t mind being in the mix but no NMC and for no more than $4.25 million. If he’s a top pair dman then why is DAL letting him go????? Jim Nill is not an idiot.

    Lots of possibilities…….we wait.

    Jim Nill is not an idiot, but he was a game 7 win away from trading a first rounder for Kris Russell. He did trade Calgary a 2nd rounder and a prospect for Kris Russell. Kris Russell is not a good defenceman and a lot of smart people know this. All GMs have blind spots and maybe Jim Nill has a Jason Demers sized blind spot right now. No way Demers signs anywhere for 4.25 unless maybe a team is giving him a 7 year contract with a full NMC.

  14. JDï™ says:

    Bohologo: President Trump

    There will be hell toupee…

  15. JimmyV1965 says:

    Skeeziks:
    Given everything I know and understand about Faulk, he appears to be atop tier defenseman. This makes him an excellent target for Chiarelli this summer. I wish him well.

    As for our #4 overall pick, I believe we would be best served by trading down to the #7 spot and also obtaining the #20 pick. If Chiarelli is able to draft Chychrun at #7 and a McAvoy or Bean at #20 then the Oilers will be well established with D talent for the next 5 years.

    As almost every poster states, it is comparatively easy to obtain talented wingers compared to acquiring talented D men. It is time for the Oilers to live it.

    Drafting those dmen in the first round might be great move, but it doesn’t help our defence depth for the next five years. It helps our defence depth in five years. The guys we drafted last year will help us before the guys we draft this year.

  16. Dominoiler says:

    JDï™: There will be hell toupee…

    Yes!! Hilarious!!

  17. Ryan says:

    Fun comment from Talbot…

    “It’s getting pretty comfortable back there,” said Talbot after making 18 saves in the shutout against Slovakia. “We don’t give up a whole lot for a lot of stretches. So, it’s just trying to stay focused and trying to stay in the game. You can’t say enough about this group of guys on how they play defensively, not just offensively. You can tell that we don’t give up a lot of Grade A scoring chances. When we do, we’re there to clean up the rebound. It’s been a lot of fun.”

    After a season backstopping the nascent Oilers, playing behind Team Canada… Well the mind boggles at the contrast.

    Oh and insomnia sucks.

  18. Ryan says:

    30 thoughts from an occasional insomniac…

    1. Justin Schultz isn’t seeing a lot of games these playoffs. If he can’t crack their top six, why did he get so many minutes from so many different Oilers coaches? Granted our blue line was abysmal, but if we tinfoil hat it as they say, was their something in his contract? Can teams do this when signing college players? If so, why didn’t it transfer when he was traded?
    2. Patrick Laine’s stock is going through the roof. Why is it so hard to find basic player stats for this tournament? What’s his CF%, pdo? Sh%?
    3. Why hasn’t anyone thought of trading for Justin Faulk?
    4. If the Sharks win the cup, will Mclellan spend some more of his reputation?
    5. Is Pk Subban overrated? He’s a high event player and you pay so much for his offense.
    6. While we can disagree on the acquisition cost of Faulk, we can all likely agree that in terms of assets, it would be much less than those required to acquire Subban. Oh, and the hit on the cap is nearly half.
    7. Why hasn’t g$ created a player dashboard for team Canada? I’d imagine that there’s no data available to scrape…
    8. Darnell Nurse was a lead anvil last season. http://hockeyviz.com/img/player/wowy/1516/EDM/wowy-1516-EDM-nurseda95-shots.png Is his trade value based on draft pedigree and toughness higher today than it will ever be in the future?
    9. What is with Donald Trumps hair? I’ve done some research and it sounds like it’s a combination of generally thinning hair with an unnatural hair line post scalp flap surgery… Throw in a cringe worthy dye that looks reminiscent of someone who spent too much time in an 80’s bingo hall, a bad cowlick, and his hair combed back.

  19. Woodguy says:

    AsiaOil,

    Lots to unpack here AO, so I’m doing it line by line:

    As Godot10 said in the last thread – Demers is the last option – not the first. He will get paid far beyond his worth. If you expect him to play on the top pair to be worth the overpay then you are setting up a Horcoff situation.

    A Horcoff situation would be overpaying on a long term contract based on one year of anomalous results.

    That’s not the situation here at all.

    He’s been an excellent 2RD with middling to poor partners.

    I looked at him in depth here: http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2016/04/oiler-right-shot-dman-search-1-jason.html

    Don’t mind being in the mix but no NMC and for no more than $4.25 million.

    The market for top end 2nd pairing Dmen/low end 1st pairing Dmen is $5.5MM right now with a NMC.

    Petry and Sekera contracts set that market.

    I’d prefer to pay less, but that’s the market.

    I rate Demers above both of those players btw.

    If he’s a top pair dman then why is DAL letting him go????? Jim Nill is not an idiot.

    We don’t know that Nill is letting him go yet.

    I’d also be careful invoking Nill as infallible.

    His solution to his goalie issue this past summer was to create the most expensive goalie tandem in the NHL ($10.4MM) and have them finish 27th in 5v5 SV%

    Lots of us called the Niemi add as poor at the time too.

    His solution last summer to 2LD was to add Oduya who looks pretty done.

    He then tried to fix this at the deadline and added a possession drag like Russell who was not good in the playoffs at all.

    Oduya was playing 3rd with Stephen Johns in the playoffs.

    So when it comes to goalies and Dmen maybe he closer to Costanza than not. Whatever his instincts are, do the opposite. Heh.

    Also,

    All of Goligoski, Demers, Russell, and Jordie Benn are UFAs on the blueline. He might not have the room to sign both Goligoski and Demers because of how much he’s paying his goalies.

    Goligoski is going to get at least ~$6.0MM probably more. They could afford to keep Demers at 2RD and they should.

    Jamie Benn is UFA next summer and will get all the mobneys. He needs to leave room for that as well and his goalie situation might be fucking that up too.

    Lastly, they have some very good young D coming.

    Johns played 3RD in the playoffs

    They really like Nemeth (LHD) , Honka (RHD) and Lindell (LHD) as well.

    Nemeth has to clear waivers next year so he’ll play, but Honka and Lindell can still go up and down, but I bet they both play too.

    Nill might go young on D to free up the $$$ for Benn if he can’t move Niemi (no no-trade/movement clause) or Lehtonen (limited NTC now)

    Lastly, last for what its worth I agree with this Custance piece on what Nill should do and it includes signing Demers to be 2RD: http://espn.go.com/blog/craig-custance/insider/post?id=7706

  20. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    AsiaOil,

    Lots to unpack here AO, so I’m doing it line by line:

    As Godot10 said in the last thread – Demers is the last option – not the first. He will get paid far beyond his worth. If you expect him to play on the top pair to be worth the overpay then you are setting up a Horcoff situation.

    A Horcoff situation would be overpaying on a long term contract based on one year of anomalous results.

    That’s not the situation here at all.

    He’s been an excellent 2RD with middling to poor partners.

    I looked at him in depth here: http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2016/04/oiler-right-shot-dman-search-1-jason.html

    Don’t mind being in the mix but no NMC and for no more than $4.25 million.

    The market for top end 2nd pairing Dmen/low end 1st pairing Dmen is $5.5MM right now with a NMC.

    Petry and Sekera contracts set that market.

    I’d prefer to pay less, but that’s the market.

    I rate Demers above both of those players btw.

    If he’s a top pair dman then why is DAL letting him go????? Jim Nill is not an idiot.

    We don’t know that Nill is letting him go yet.

    I’d also be careful invoking Nill as infallible.

    His solution to his goalie issue this past summer was to create the most expensive goalie tandem in the NHL ($10.4MM)and have them finish 27th in 5v5 SV%

    Lots of us called the Niemi add as poor at the time too.

    His solution last summer to 2LD was to add Oduya who looks pretty done.

    He then tried to fix this at the deadline and added a possession drag like Russell who was not good in the playoffs at all.

    Oduya was playing 3rd with Stephen Johns in the playoffs.

    So when it comes to goalies and Dmen maybe he closer to Costanza than not.Whatever his instincts are, do the opposite.Heh.

    Also,

    All of Goligoski, Demers, Russell, and Jordie Benn are UFAs on the blueline.He might not have the room to sign both Goligoski and Demers because of how much he’s paying his goalies.

    Goligoski is going to get at least ~$6.0MM probably more. They could afford to keep Demers at 2RD and they should.

    Jamie Benn is UFA next summer and will get all the mobneys.He needs to leave room for that as well and his goalie situation might be fucking that up too.

    Lastly, they have some very good young D coming.

    Johns played 3RD in the playoffs

    They really like Nemeth (LHD) , Honka (RHD) and Lindell (LHD) as well.

    Nemeth has to clear waivers next year so he’ll play, but Honka and Lindell can still go up and down, but I bet they both play too.

    Nill might go young on D to free up the $$$ for Benn if he can’t move Niemi (no no-trade/movement clause) or Lehtonen (limited NTC now)

    Lastly, last for what its worth I agree with this Custance piece on what Nill should do and it includes signing Demers to be 2RD: http://espn.go.com/blog/craig-custance/insider/post?id=7706

    I’d trade a conditional pick for Demers so we could negotiate with him prior to the draft. He is the best UFA right d man.

    He is gonna get paid, either by the oilers or someone else.

    I think he gets something along the lines of the Sekera and Petry deals.

    With Sekera already with a NMC, I wouldn’t want to give Demers one. But That might be the deal breaker for him. With a possible expansion looming, I bet more UFA’s look to get a NMC.

  21. GCW_69 says:

    AsiaOil:
    As Godot10 said in the last thread – Demers is the last option – not the first. He will get paid far beyond his worth. If you expect him to play on the top pair to be worth the overpay then you are setting up a Horcoff situation. Don’t mind being in the mix but no NMC and for no more than $4.25 million. If he’s a top pair dman then why is DAL letting him go????? Jim Nill is not an idiot.

    Lots of possibilities…….we wait.

    I am less fussed over how much they pay him as long as they keep trade flexibility. Want to pay him $5M for 5 years, no problem but it has to be tied to a Limited NTC in years 3-5. NHL GMs are getting better and better at figuring out how to move contracts they don’t want anymore so long as they have some flexibility to work with. Hence, overpays in free agency aren’t really the problem, its the NMCs and full NTCs that are the problem.

    I think Chia gets that. He gave Sekera a NMC in years 1-4 of his deal because the odds of two-four other players pushing him off the roster in that window are slim, but Sekera has a modified NTC clause in the last 2 years where he submits a 15 team list.

  22. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk: I’d trade a conditional pick for Demers so we could negotiate with him prior to the draft. He is the best UFA right d man.

    He is gonna get paid, either by the oilers or someone else.

    I think he gets something along the lines of the Sekera and Petry deals.

    With Sekera already with a NMC, I wouldn’t want to give Demers one. But That might be the deal breaker for him. With a possible expansion looming, I bet more UFA’s look to get a NMC.

    I like Faulk and Hamonic better than Demers, but if he’s the only one available I grab him.

    I like Barrie as much as Demers btw, but for different reasons.

  23. kosiork says:

    Wade Allison is from Roland, Manitoba.
    #goodcanadianboy

  24. Lowetide says:

    kosiork:
    Wade Allison is from Roland, Manitoba.
    #goodcanadianboy

    Yes. But he plays in the US. These are men playing in the US, but are Canadians, Swedes, Russians and of course American. Just as the OHL, WHL and QMJHL have individuals born in other nations.

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