THE HUNTER IS CAPTURED BY THE GAME

One of the predictable outcomes of yesterday’s loss by Canada to Finland? Oilers fans worrying about their No. 1 goalie. Who can blame them? Somewhere along the way, Murphy’s Law bought a house in Glenora and has apparently decided to live happily ever after. Is there a reason for concern at goaler? Should we change the order of the shopping list?

CHIARELLI’S SHOPPING LIST

  1. Top-pairing D to partner with Klefbom (Jason Demers, Justin Faulk)
  2. Second-pairing RHD to partner with Sekera (Tyson Barrie/Sami Vatanen)
  3. Acquire RHC with some skill (Small group available. Andrew Shaw? Tommy Wingels? Tyler Bozak?)
  4. Offload unwanted contract (Lauri Korpikoski)
  5. Backup goalie (Jhonas Enroth, James Reimer)—moving up?????

For our purposes moving forward, I have deleted value contracts, re-stocking the Condors and building the system via the draft. Although each of them are important, the additions of Caggiuila, Russell, Sallinen and Ellis addressed them and we can discuss things further around the draft. For the other items on the list, let’s take things one at a time.

TOP PAIRING DEFENSE

DEMERS AND FAULK

The news about Travis Hamonic is settling in now (stupid happiness, highly overrated) and, as in all things, the absence of alternatives clears the mind. We are left with a long list of possibles, but really only two (imo) viable options for No. 1 RHD that may be available. My list, the one I bore you with a few times per week, has over 25 names on it but the only ones I can see playing top pairing (with Klefbom) are these men. Otherwise? Probably Klefbom—Sekera for 2016-17 (suddenly the Handedness Police begin to stir).

SECOND-PAIRING DEFENSE

BARRIE AND VATANEN

If Chiarelli can solve the problem on the top pairing, then the Oilers can contemplate life with a puck mover on the second pairing. I wouldn’t rule out using Mark Fayne on the second pair with Sekera, for me remaining stubborn on this point just makes too much sense. Actual NHL players and all that. Among the options who might be able to slide in from my top 25 list are Michael Stone, David Savard and Damon Severson—but none have that power-play spark.

If Chiarelli went that route, perhaps Ryan Pulock from the Islanders could be added, and play third pairing with Brandon Davidson. That (adding Demers, Savard and Pulock) would effectively replace the entire RH side and mean Mark Fayne would be dealt. I highly doubt we see that kind of activity.

ACQUIRE RHC

bozak and centers

This is my list, you may have a favorite not included and please chime in. Bozak makes some sense, nice numbers there and we know he has enough skill to play 5×4 minutes. Shaw would be my preference, he is unique to the other C’s and can also chime in a little offensively. Riley Nash is a surprisingly effective center based on these numbers and Tommy Wingels would be known to the coach.

OFFLOAD LAURI KORPIKOSKI

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I am not sure if offload is the correct word, Korpikoski may just get sent down to Bakersfield. Part of the issue last season had to do with deployment (McLellan was very patient—too patient—with Korpikoski, Darnell Nurse and some others).

BACKUP GOALIE (EV-SP)

  1. James Reimer .938 (No. 1 overall in the NHL)
  2. Jhonas Enroth .937
  3. Chad Johnson .926
  4. Anders Nilsson .913

It is ridiculous to argue that Talbot’s performance in the WHCs should lead us to contemplate his future as No. 1, but in recent days some have indicated to me that Talbot should have substantial support. I have suggested Enroth as a backup option. Do you agree? I believe he is substantial backup support and have listed him for weeks.

If the Oilers are to aim higher, suspect it would have to be for a 1B to Talbot’s 1A. The available free agent in that area (imo) is James Reimer. After that, we are talking trade and then I am going to have to write articles on Jimmy Howard and Marc-Andre Fleury and that will make me sad.

dubois 1

WHO ON EARTH IS TYLER WONG

This Stats site is so cool I can’t get anything done. Seriously. Estimated points-per-60 is my favorite, here are all of the CHL kids who played a lot AND finished top 10 in estimated points per 60 (this is even strength).

QMJHL

  1. Conor Garland 4.29 Arizona Coyotes
  2. Timo Meier 4.19 San Jose Sharks
  3. Pierre-Luc Dubois 3.95 Draft Eligible
  4. Evgeni Svechnikov 3.89 Detroit Red Wings
  5. Vitali Abramov 3.74 Draft Eligible
  6. Francis Perron 3.67 Ottawa Senators
  7. Dmytro Timashov 3.57  Toronto Maple Leafs
  8. J.C. Beaudin 3.51 Colorado Avalanche
  9. Alex Dostie 3.41 Draft Eligible
  10. Maxim Lazarev 3.37 Draft Eligible (1996 born)

OHL (5×5)

  1. Travis Konecny 4.33 Philadelphia Flyers
  2. Matt Tkachuk 4.33 Draft Eligible
  3. Kevin Lebanc 4.18 San Jose Sharks
  4. Mitch Marner 3.99 Toronto Maple Leafs
  5. Christian Dvorak 3.81 Arizona Coyotes
  6. Andrew Mangiapane 3.77 Calgary Flames
  7. Hunter Garlent 3.62 Undrafted free agent (1995 born)
  8. Alex DeBrincat 3.47 Draft Eligible
  9. Dylan Strome 3.39 Arizona Coyotes
  10. Spencer Watson 3.33 Los Angeles Kings

WHL

  1. Jayce Hawryluk 4.46 Florida Panthers
  2. Brayden Point 3.82 Tampa Bay Lightning
  3. Noloan Patrick 3.53 2017 eligible
  4. Brayden Burke 3.45 Draft Eligible
  5. Dryden Hunt 3.45 Florida Panthers
  6. Egor Babenko 3.24 Draft Eligible
  7. Adam Brooks 3.24 Draft Eligible
  8. John Quenneville 3.18 New Jersey Devils
  9. Tyler Wong 3.14 Draft Eligible
  10. Adam Helewka 3.14 San Jose Sharks

Tkachuk has a sparkling number, but Dubois is no slouch either and he isn’t playing with those high-end cats the London Knights grab out of the ether. Who is Tyler Wong? Plenty of digging for me to do for this 2016 draft—seems to me this year includes a lot of distant bells who should be in the conversation, and a lot of questionable sorts people rate.

  • Cody Nickolet about Tyler Wong: I think he’s extremely skilled, smart and is the driving motor behind his team offensively, but I’m just not sure I would project him as an NHL player at this time…with that being said, he surely has the skillset to be a very good scorer at the pro level either in the AHL or Europe, should he wish to take that route…with a couple more productive junior seasons and subsequent development, he should have the opportunity to sign some form of contract and take that next step if he desires. Source

yakimov capture

TRADE PIECES

  • Steve Zipay, Newsday: In the 2014 World Junior Championships, he played with Bogdan Yakimov, property of the Edmonton Oilers, and Mikhail Grigorenko and Nikita Zadorov, with the Colorado Avalanche. Source

I think we could see a few of the remaining Tambellini/MacT draft picks sent away this summer, with Bogdan Yakimov being one of them. I wrote about him over at ON this week and suspect the big Russian could be dealt over the summer. I believe David Musil is in a similar spot. Chiarelli has traded Justin Schultz, Martin Gernat, Travis Ewanyk, Martin Marincin and Liam Coughlin since his arrival, and it reasonable to expect more trades and Edmonton walking from minor league UFAs and RFAs this summer.

Stars vs. Oklahoma City Barons 12-31-12

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun show, and two hours, beginning at 10 on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Is the goaltending a major concern? Is it reasonable to expect two top 4D?
  • Tom Lynn, Veritas Hockey. The player market that is the WHCs, the trend by NHL teams who have passed through the draft at least once.
  • Corey Pronman, ESPN. Corey’s list is out, and fascinating. I expected his list to be controversial at No. 4, turns out the controversy starts at No. 1. Terrific top 100 for 2016, we will discuss.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. Jethro Tull says:

    True, Talbot wasn’t very good in the game against Finland, but he was stellar in the games before.

    Huh, Chicken Little called and said “Hi!”

    In other news, Connor McDavid and Taylor Hall didn’t score in the game against Finland, so therefore must be considered busts and traded for OEL at the earliest opportunity. In fact, the entire team failed to score.

    Anybody see Elliot last night? You think there’s any Blues fans that would trade Talbot for him straight across? Or do you think he could just have had a bad game at a bad time?

  2. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Who is Tyler Wong???

    Pretty much the most decent kind hearted young man you will ever meet. And mother of all that is holy does he work hard.

    On the ice he is a 100% effort all the time guy. Smaller guy but tough as nails. Backchecks like a freakin’ demon. Quality goal scorer, top offensive threat (tied with Burke) on the hurricanes. Quality shooter and finds ways to get in tight.

    WHL Humanitarian of the year, runner up last year. Will be back for 1 more year as an overager.

    Captain of the team for a very good reason.

    Volunteers once per week as a teachers assistant in a grade 5 class. That’s all year, during the season.

    Takes a full course load and gets straight A’s IN UNIVERSITY AS A WHL PLAYER.

    Shows up at every community event. Makes time for every kid that comes to the games.

    Now granted Andrew Nielsen (of the leafs) is my favorite Hurricane because he practically adopted my 5 year old, takes him to the dressing room, came to meet him as he was coming off the ice from his timbits game, that sort of thing, but Tyler Wong is right up there.

    We could do worse then having a player like that as part of this organization.

    End rant.

  3. Lowetide says:

    Jethro Tull:
    True, Talbot wasn’t very good in the game against Finland, but he was stellar in the games before.

    Huh, Chicken Little called and said “Hi!”

    In other news, Connor McDavid and Taylor Hall didn’t score in the game against Finland, so therefore must be considered busts and traded for OEL at the earliest opportunity.In fact, the entire team failed to score.

    Anybody see Elliot last night?You think there’s any Blues fans that would trade Talbot for him straight across?Or do you think he could just have had a bad game at a bad time?

    Yeah, I think Enroth is a suitable addition, and would hope that the Oilers—who have committed to Talbot with a contract—don’t feel a need to spent money and assets to support their No. 1 goalie. Among the things I believe Chiarelli can be credited with is going a long way to solving the goalie shambles in year one.

  4. kinger_OIL says:

    – Great post LT! I posted this a few threads ago, but it got buried. With the goalie talk, there is some good stuff in here:

    http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/5/16/11676886/the-leafs-goalie-strategy

    Money quote: “the team that has most assiduously experimented with trading for impressive-looking backup goalies is the team we least want to imitate in general: the Edmonton Oilers”

    – That said, it appears Talbot might finally be a starter here: but real back-up please!

  5. Rondo says:

    LT,

    Could you ask Corey Pronman where he thinks the drop off is in the 1st rd and second?

    Kyle Woodlief said recently said the drop off in the 1st rd is after 20 then a big drop off after 45.

    Mark Edwards of Hockey prospects said drop off after #22.

  6. Zack says:

    Lowetide,

    What about taking a stab at Calvin Pickard? Shouldn’t cost too much and a solid option.

  7. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Rondo,

    The thing is, you can usually pick a guy from the top 22 at 30. Depending of course on how many picks in the top 20 are held by the Bruins.

    Lowetide,

    Still don’t think Enroth will come here, based on his verbal about wanting a real shot at a bigger role. Very frustrated with his situation behind Quick in LA. Think he goes to a team with no clear #1 or a guy with only 1 year left on his deal.

  8. Richard S.S. says:

    Wow, that was great Lowetide!

    Elite Players are elite from day one, maybe taking as long as late year one to get there. From that point the mileage varies. I believe they stay “Elite” for the next 8-10 years, plus/minus a year or two. Age and the Body take their toll. From this point on, they have a year or two being very good (+/- 1); a year or two of being good (+/- 1); a year or two of being above average (+/- 1); before fading away.

    Very few Elite Players exist, not more than two or three. If more than one or two other players (on other teams) are better than your player chances are good that he’s not Elite, just very, very good. There is a difference and it is very noticeable.

  9. Rondo says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!,

    I know it is random , if these guys were so good as to pick where the drop off is, they would be working for a NHL team. There are always gems that no one saw in later rounds. You need a lot of luck.
    But if you’re a team that believes the drop off is around 20 and you want a D-man as your 1st pick. This trade makes some sense Oilers #4 + #32 to Arizona for #7 and #20.

  10. OF17 says:

    LT, I really like the idea of getting Wingels, but I don’t think he plays center. Never been higher than 8th on the Sharks in faceoffs, which isn’t conclusive, but it would be very strange to play a guy positionally at center but only have him take 50-80 faceoffs per year.

    Pouliot-Nuge-Wingels would be a fantastic line though.

  11. dustrock says:

    Wingels must have the most misleading CorsiRel of all time. Those Sharks.

  12. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Rondo,

    I honestly wonder if you could do that deal without #32. Maybe a later round pick.

    We tend to view the #4 to #9 picks as being roughly on par with one another, but people closer to the situation might be seeing a bigger separation in that pack. I can see teams looking at #4 as being of high value if that’s the case.

  13. Richard S.S. says:

    Goalies miss all sorts of games that are not injury-related (minor or worse), first children and that sort of thing – family. Having a real live NHL Goalie as backup is vital. Drafting another one is also important, because you can never have enough.

    Do the Rangers have anything the Oilers could use? Especially at a price that can get paid.

    Lowetide has kind of nailed the possibilities for the holes. Has he missed anyone? Is it possible Peter Chiarelli is after bigger game than what LT suggests, acquiring talent, skill and upside?

  14. Richard S.S. says:

    This is likely the final year Peter Chiarelli’s familiarity with Boston and the East and Todd McLellan’s familiarity with San Jose and the West are at it’s peak value. This is when I expect the most significant work to be done, when Scout’s information and personal information mesh. Next year may very well be very different.

  15. OF17 says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    Rondo,

    I honestly wonder if you could do that deal without #32.Maybe a later round pick.

    We tend to view the #4 to #9 picks as being roughly on par with one another, but people closer to the situation might be seeing a bigger separation in that pack.I can see teams looking at #4 as being of high value if that’s the case.

    We’re helped by the stratification by position. If someone wants one of the top forwards, they’ll probably need a top 6 pick, and we’re the highest of those picks that could reasonably move. I bet Montreal for instance would be much happier adding a forward than a D. That certainly provides separation.

  16. DavyNavy88 says:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-panthers-chart-bold-new-direction/

    really good 30 thoughts.

    includes something about “Propsect Cohort Express”

  17. OF17 says:

    Schultz is probably going to help us retain value on the Yak trade this summer. He hasn’t been playing a lot, but Pens fans seem generally satisfied with him. In what little I’ve seen, he’s looked better than he was here. He took a slapshot! Twice!

    Teams are probably looking at Yak and thinking it’s the usage, not the player, that’s fundamentally off.

  18. G Money says:

    Been on the Enroth bandwagon since early in the season. Reimer would be fantastic too.

    After that, you’re no longer looking at 1B, you’re looking at quality 2’s, and I’d tend to lean towards Khudobin.

    As for Talbot’s game, leaving aside the obvious fact that when your team scores 0 goals, you can’t blame the loss on the goalie, but I thought Talbot was more OK than outright bad.

    It was an average to below average goaltending display, but behind an abysmal offensive and defensive performance.

    Maybe it was the fourth goal which I missed that was the problematic one, but the first three I saw as follows:

    1 – had more to do with Talbot channelling Scrivens’ puck handling than actual goalering problems. Move the puck Cam!!

    2 – Talbot probably should have stopped this one, but it squeaked through, though it was a decent shot from a modestly dangerous position on a two on two pseudo-break. If the D doesn’t treat the puck like a hand grenade in the neutral zone, this never comes close to the Canada net.

    3 – The third goal was all on the D IMO. Talbot made the initial stop which was insanely good on a giveaway and clear path to the goalie for the Finnish forward. At that point, if the Canuck D had recovered enough to at least clear the (small) rebound, it would have gone down as a highlight reel stop. Instead, the D was so far behind the play that the second player to the net was also a Finn, and he had an easy tap-in goal.

    Hope that was just the typical complacency that creeps in after too many easy games. The whole team will need a much better game going forward.

  19. RJ2016 says:

    I like Pulock, and he could be a quality player over time.

    But I wouldn’t trust Chiarelli to make a trade with Snow for him. It would end up being the #4, #32, and next year’s first. Or worse.

  20. kneedeepinit says:

    a couple more possibilities for 3C – Chris Kelly and Vadim Shipachyov

  21. russ99 says:

    Due to the uncertainty with the expansion draft and the once-per-decade cap room we’ll have this summer, the defense needs to be fixed this offseason.

    No stopgaps with Fayne, AHL players having to step into a bigger role, or running Klefbom – Sekera on the top pairing, thus minimizing each player’s effectiveness.

    There’s no excuse why this can’t get done. We have cap room and good trade chips. Chaiarelli has to make a deal or two that really pushes the team forward, damn the optics.

  22. GCW_69 says:

    Helm for 3C? Lewis?

    One factor I don’t think is getting enough focus in the PLD vs Tkachuk debate is goal scoring.

    Nuge, Leon and even McDavid are playmakers. Even Hall looks more like a playmaker than goal scorer looking at his stats. They need finishers. Tkachuk is another playmaker, whereas PLD is a goal scorer and that had real value based on the current makeup of the team. Balance. The oilers really need to look into it.

    Historically, I don’t think Hunter is particularly good at teaching defence to his junior players. PLD, on the other hand, plays well in all three zones already. If you are the Oilers, that has to have value too. Still, it’s the ability to put the puck in the net that should drive the Oilers to PLD.

    I hope the Oilers don’t draft on the halo effect of the extra time Tkachuk is getting in the playoffs over PLD.

  23. GCW_69 says:

    Severson’s PP stats in his rookie season were 4.04/60, so we shouldn’t right him off for powerplay ability yet.

  24. kinger_OIL says:

    GCW_69,

    – I don’t get the love of Severson. If we didn’t have like 8 6-7 D’s on the roster already maybe.

    – We don’t need “another piece to grow with the core” Need bonafide, 250-500 game vets to play & mentor our plethora of potential D…He’s a D with NJ, with good numbers: sounds like Fayne

    – 120 games into his career, 1 goal last year: aim a lot higher please

  25. Ducey says:

    kneedeepinit:
    a couple more possibilities for 3C – Chris Kelly and Vadim Shipachyov

    Nuge is pretty good too.

  26. John Chambers says:

    You look at those 5×5 numbers for Tkachuk and you wonder if he’s not the guy who drives the line. Well, or at least plays an equal role.

    In 18 playoff games he has 20 goals. I can see him as a top-line winger in the NHL, a 30-30-60 guy by his draft +3 season.

  27. Ducey says:

    kinger_OIL:
    GCW_69,

    – I don’t get the love of Severson.If we didn’t have like 8 6-7 D’s on the roster already maybe.

    – We don’t need “another piece to grow with the core”Need bonafide, 250-500 game vets to play & mentor our plethora of potential D…He’s a D with NJ, with good numbers: sounds like Fayne

    – 120 games into his career, 1 goal last year: aim a lot higher please

    Why would NJ trade him?

    He seems to be a useful defenseman who is on his ELC and only making $600 K next year. NJ is cheap and so is he.

    NJ has only 12 players under contract and only $39 M on the Cap next year. None of their RFA’s are stars who are going to get massive new contracts. So no Cap problems.

  28. Woodguy says:

    kinger_OIL:
    GCW_69,

    – I don’t get the love of Severson.If we didn’t have like 8 6-7 D’s on the roster already maybe.

    – We don’t need “another piece to grow with the core”Need bonafide, 250-500 game vets to play & mentor our plethora of potential D…He’s a D with NJ, with good numbers: sounds like Fayne

    – 120 games into his career, 1 goal last year: aim a lot higher please

    Severson’ numbers were pretty good playing 2nd pair for NJD last year.

    Not a long term project ot 6/7 at all imo.

  29. Caramel Batman says:

    John Chambers:
    You look at those 5×5 numbers for Tkachuk and you wonder if he’s not the guy who drives the line. Well, or at least plays an equal role.

    In 18 playoff games he has 20 goals. I can see him as a top-line winger in the NHL, a 30-30-60 guy by his draft +3 season.

    In the regular season Tkackuk’s point totals were buoyed by a large number of second assists. For instance, compare Marner, Tkachuk, and Dvorak

    Marner 27 primary assists, 16 secondary assists (at even strength)
    Dvorak, 21 primary, 11 secondary
    Tkachuk as the reverse ratiio, 17 primary, 26 secondary.

    Also I wouldn’t put much stock in those playing time estimates that have Tkachuk a better scorer than Marner.

    The playoffs have a similar trend. Marner has more points than Tkachuk, 18 assists, 15 of them primary.

    Marner is only six months older than Tkachuk.

    I wish Marner were in this draft.

  30. Woodguy says:

    Ducey: Why would NJ trade him?

    He seems to be a useful defenseman who is on his ELC and only making $600 K next year. NJ is cheap and so is he.

    NJ has only 12 players under contract and only $39 M on the Cap next year. None of their RFA’s are stars who are going to get massive new contracts. So no Cap problems.

    NJD needs scoring wingers and the coach doesn’t like the player.

    Been HS’d a few times last year.

    Perfect return for Yak

  31. kinger_OIL says:

    Woodguy,

    – Yeah you know what, so have Klef’s numbers and Davidson’s. Osterle looks pretty good as well. And Griff looked better at the end, and Nurse had some spurts with good numbers

    – We don’t need another guy to throw into that mix, because they have good numbers and less than 250 games. We need to complement our “good numbers, good promise” guys with actual D

    – Aim a lot higher and established than that: there is no trophy for all-world bottom pair depth

  32. vinotintazo says:

    kinger_OIL,

    Nobody is saying that Severson is the primary target for chia, he still needs to add top pair. Ideally we need two RHD Demen added this summer (top 4). Severson could be the 2nd pair guy RHD, worse case he’s a cheap 3rd pair RHD.

  33. Ducey says:

    Woodguy: NJD needs scoring wingers and the coach doesn’t like the player.

    Been HS’d a few times last year.

    Perfect return for Yak

    Ah, ok.

    Agreed it would be a good trade for the Oilers.

    But is the coach likely to like Yak? 🙂 He doesn’t seem like their kind of guy (or his kind of team).

  34. Jaxon says:

    I see a few levels of young RD who interest that shouldn’t require any core players.

    1. Damon Severson (NJD), Brett Pesce (CAR) – already regular NHL D 21 yrs old who had decent seasons with lots of room to improve.
    2. Alex Petrovic (FLA) – 24 yr old NHL D who scored 1.0 ES PTS/60 stuck behind Ekblad and Gudbranson.
    3. Ryan Pulock (NYI), Ryan Sproul (DET), Madison Bowey (WSH) – big young 21, 22 yr olds with top pair potential. Ready to crack an NHL roster.
    4. Michael Paliotta (RFA, CBJ) – huge 23 yr old 1 year removed from 30 PTS NHLE with similar scouting report, size, age, offensive production to Colton Parayko and actually outscored Parayko in their final NCAA season)
    5. Colin Miller (RFA, BOS) – 23 yr old who scored 1.02 ES PTS/60 this season.
    6. Mark Pysyk (BUF) – 24 yr old former offensive D partner of Griffin Reinhart. Stuck behind Roustalainen, Bogosian and Franson.
    7. Reece Scarlett (RFA, NJD), Scott Mayfield (RFA NYI), Morgan Ellis (RFA MTL) – 24 yr old AHL RFA D with some offensive skill and may be available at a real bargain and could provide useful depth with some upside.

    Not sure if I have the order right. That order would change based on priorities. What mix of impact now versus impact in the future. Maybe the answer is to chase a few at different levels to build up the right side along with a signing like Demers and maybe Kevan Miller.

  35. Doug McLachlan says:

    Regarding items #4 and #5 on LT’s summer list, perhaps a Korpse for Niemi deal would have interest to Dallas and Edmonton.

    Niemi was seriously considered as an option for our number one last year (before we started to zero in on Talbot) but the concern was cost (Niemi signed at $4.5M for two more years). If Dallas were to retain salary in a trade it might make more sense for them than a buy-out – which would extend for four more years!

    Korpikoski is at $2.5M for one more year. If Dallas retained say $2M of Niemi’s salary the cap hit to Edmonton and Dallas would be a wash for next year but Dallas has that money on the ice as opposed to on the bench half the time. Edmonton would be on the hook for the remaining $2.5M in 17-18 but we would have a legit NHL goalie as Talbot’s back-up (this year’s .905 sv% was his worst since his rookie season) while LB develops in Bakersfield and we would also now have a tempting goalie to expose for the expansion draft – which might provide some cover for other players on the roster to boot.

    Thoughts?

  36. magneto says:

    Doug McLachlan,

    That’s one of those deals you hate at first, but that is probably close to what will happen.
    I could see a Bickell deal somewhere in there too.

    Bickell (1mil retained)+Shaw for Korpikoski+Lander+2nd
    Chicago saves money, gets players and a 2nd.
    Oilers cap gets wrecked but just for a year.

  37. OF17 says:

    Woodguy: NJD needs scoring wingers and the coach doesn’t like the player.

    Been HS’d a few times last year.

    Perfect return for Yak

    If the Oilers have a LHS-RHS bottom pairing where both players can play top-4 injury replacement AND are young enough to grow into full-time top-4 D, I won’t know what to do with myself.

    If Davidson-Severson is our bottom pair on merit next season, I’m going to be a very happy camper.

  38. godot10 says:

    Jaxon:
    I see a few levels of young RD who interest that shouldn’t require any core players.

    1. Damon Severson (NJD), Brett Pesce (CAR) – already regular NHL D 21 yrs old who had decent seasons with lots of room to improve.
    2. Alex Petrovic (FLA) – 24 yr old NHL D who scored 1.0 ES PTS/60 stuck behind Ekblad and Gudbranson.
    3. Ryan Pulock (NYI), Ryan Sproul (DET),Madison Bowey (WSH) – big young 21, 22 yr olds with top pair potential. Ready to crack an NHL roster.
    4. Michael Paliotta (RFA, CBJ) – huge 23 yr old 1 year removed from 30 PTS NHLE with similar scouting report, size, age, offensive production to Colton Parayko and actually outscored Parayko in their final NCAA season)
    5. Colin Miller (RFA, BOS) – 23 yr old who scored 1.02 ES PTS/60 this season.
    6. Mark Pysyk (BUF) – 24 yr old former offensive D partner of Griffin Reinhart. Stuck behind Roustalainen, Bogosian and Franson.
    7. Reece Scarlett (RFA, NJD), Scott Mayfield (RFA NYI), Morgan Ellis (RFA MTL) – 24 yr old AHL RFA D with some offensive skill and may be available at a real bargain and could provide useful depth with some upside.

    Not sure if I have the order right. That order would change based on priorities. What mix of impact now versus impact in the future. Maybe the answer is to chase a few at different levels to build up the right side along with a signing like Demers and maybe Kevan Miller.

    The Oilers need 2 legit top 4D, preferably right shot (but if Anaheim plays hardball with Lindholm as Friedman suggests, eff handedness, you offer sheet him 4 x $5 million).

    Your list is sort of irrelevant to the urgent priority. It is sort of “these would be nice guys to acquire to fill a medium to long term need to address the handedness imbalance”. But this is way down on the priority list.

  39. Woodguy says:

    kinger_OIL,

    – Yeah you know what, so have Klef’s numbers and Davidson’s.

    That is correct. Both have very good numbers.

    Osterle looks pretty good as well.

    No, his numbers were pretty meh, rookie type stuff. Nothing like Severson.

    And Griff looked better at the end, and Nurse had some spurts with good numbers

    Neither were in the same universe as Severson, not even close.

    You need to realize that you are comparing a player who:

    -has 123 NHL games
    -most of those playing 2nd pair, which is a large step up from 3rd pair comp (difference between 1st and 2nd isn’t nearly as great as difference between 2nd & 3rd)
    -has been a positive influence on his team and team mates shot share in those minutes

    and comparing them to:

    -rookies with 15, 35 and 65 NHL games
    -mostly (if not all for Oesterle and Reinhart) playing 3rd pair.
    -been a negative influence on their team and team mates’s shot share in those minutes. (oesterle has a postive rel bor, but most of that is due to playing with Sekera and Davidson some…most of his team mates are worse with him than without him, small sample)

    Just because you think you can wave your hand and compare them doesn’t make your comparison good or apt.

    – We don’t need another guy to throw into that mix, because they have good numbers and less than 250 games. We need to complement our “good numbers, good promise” guys with actual D

    Never heard of buying low eh?

    Never heard of finding a player who’s org undervalues him and stealing him?

    Why can’t a 123 gp 2nd pairing Dman play 3rd pair on the Oilers?

    Huge upgrade to what they have today.


    – Aim a lot higher and established than that: there is no trophy for all-world bottom pair depth

    Actually there is a trophy. Its called The Playoffs.

    When you have players playing 3rd pair who can move up the roster when the injuries happen and the team doesn’t take a significant dip in performance then you have a good team and will probably make the playoffs if the rest of the team is any good.

  40. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    One last note on Tyler Wong that I didn’t mention in my glowing review above; he got a few games in with the Marlies at the end of the year. No contract from Toronto yet, but they’ve got their eye on him.

    I wouldn’t look to draft the kid, but he’s a good candidate for the Winquist maneuver.

    Also,

    Woodguy, I’m with you. Buying a guy with +/-150 NHL games on the cheap is a low risk high reward kind of play. I’d look to make a deal there. He checks an awful lot of boxes. Wouldn’t be the end of the world to have him on the second pairing with Sekera if/when someone ahead of him in the batting order gets hurt (I feel the same way about Davidson).

  41. godot10 says:

    From Friedman’s latest 30 thoughts…link shown previously
    //24. Anaheim has some critical negotiations to close. Frederik Andersen, Hampus Lindholm, Brandon Pirri, Rickard Rakell and Sami Vatanen are all restricted free agents needing new deals. They’ve been at this for awhile with everyone but the recently acquired Pirri with not much success.

    We’ve expected the potential trade of a surplus defenceman, and that’s still possible. But, what’s also interesting is that a couple of terms have heard the Ducks are considering having some of those individuals play next season under their qualifying offers if nothing long-term gets worked out. That doesn’t happen much anymore, although teams would undoubtedly love to see someone bring back that precedent so they could all use it.//

    Bob Murray is nuts to play hardball with LIndholm. If they only intend to qualify him and make him play under his QO, you HAVE to offer sheet him at 4 x $5-5.5 million (only RFA years, to keep the AAV and compensation down) I don’t care that he is a left shot. That is only a 1st and 3rd next year. A no-brainer offer sheet. Anaheim should be offering 8 x $5.5-6 million.

    Klefbom can play the right side with Lindholm. Klefbom can be the new Hjallmarsson.

  42. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    godot10,

    I’d say the player they are mostly likely to do that with is Anderson, as I think they’d love to have him for one more year just to be sure Gibson is their guy. I could see them doing the same with Pirri, and third Vatanen.

    Don’t think it will happen with Lindholm or Rakell, those are core guys.

  43. Jaxon says:

    godot10,

    You did see where I suggested one or both of Jason Demers and Kevan Miller?

    I don’t think Anaheim is letting any of their valuable D escape. They’ll find a way. There isn’t really any way to get top pair D without a huge overpay in assets, or paying lots on the UFA market, or making educated gambles on close to ready prospects that have shown to pair potential. I think, after signing Demers and Miller, they should throw some darts at players with top pair potential. And build up their right side. Hence the list.

    Why spend assets on a LD when you most likely have 2 top 4 in your system that are ready or close to ready. Klefbom, Sekera are already a solid top 4 left side. Paigin, Nurse, Reinhart (more likely solid 2nd pair potential) all have top pair potential and Davidson, Oesterle, LaLeggia and Musil all have 2nd or 3rd pair potential.

  44. kinger_OIL says:

    Woodguy,

    – Fine, I will bite. Severy played a lot with Greene, who is awesome, and a lot with Merrill who is also emerging. His CF WOWY numbers away from those guys is not good.

    – Extrapolating figures from NJ and taking them to the West is danger.

    – Great, get him: is he going to move the team D anymore than Griff or Nurse or Gryba?

    – IMO Severy is just another shiny toy that you don’t know what you have, you “hope” he can replicate the same thing playing on a far worse team, with a different D system, in the tougher conference. Gryba is fine as your bottom D. Is he an upgrade on Fayne? Marincin?!

    – I’m sick and tired of getting guys to grow and develop and hope. Aim higher than a 1 goal this season, 125 game D, just because he’s a RD. He’s not going anywhere anyways.

    – So many here are fond of tinkering….

    – I like a Kevan Miller way better and we know what we have if you want to tinker

  45. rickithebear says:

    Carmel has the same position I have taken since Ilooking at Draft peospect years ago.

    I liked to see the forwards a prospect is playing with.
    1. did those forwards experience a large jump in production.
    Prospect driving play.
    2. Were they the worst production player of the Group.
    likely driven by other forwards.
    Dubois play partners experienced a 60% and 100% increae in offensive performance.

    But this site gives the Primary Even points per Gm.
    Does not address EVTOI per gm. that varies.
    But still a nice Measure.

    WE know by age that
    draft year – CHL players will translate 50% (end SEPT) – 75% (start SEPT year later) of Production.
    draft +1 – 40% to 50% transalted
    Draft +2 – 35% to 40%
    Draft +3 – 33% to 35%

    OHL:
    Mascherin: 17.277yr
    .681 Age NHLE
    .754 Prim EV Points
    Age NHLE 42 Even primary Points
    22 EVG 20 Prim Even A

    Debrincitt: 17.742 start of season
    .565 age NHLE
    .883 X .565 = .4989 x 82gm
    Age NHLE 41 EV Primary Points
    28 EVG 13 Prim EV A

    T. Raddish 17.573
    .607 AGe NHLE
    .657 Prim EV PT
    Age NHLE 33 Prim EV PT
    10 EVG 23 Prim EV A

    Bitten 17.184
    .712 age NHLE
    .552 Prim EV pt
    age NHLE 32 Prim EV PT
    21 EVG 11 Prim EV A

    Maksimovich 17.518
    .621 Age NHLE
    .603 EV PRim Pt
    Age NHLE 31 Prim EV PT
    15 EVG 16 Prim EV A

    Katchouk 17.244
    .689 Age NHLE
    .540 Prim EV Pt
    age NHLE 31 PRim EV PT
    15 EVG 16 Prim EV A

    Tkachuk 17.762
    .560 age NHLE
    .649 Prim EV PT
    age NHLE 30 Prim EV PT
    16 EVG 14 Prim EV A

    Nylander 17.540
    .615 age NHLE
    .579 Prim EV PT
    age NHLE 29 Prim EV Pt
    16 EVG 13 Prim EV A

    L. Brown 17.532
    .617 age NHLE
    .559 Prim EV PT
    age NHLE 28 Prim EV PT
    13 EVG 15 Prim EV A

    Here are your Best OHL EVG and Prim A age NHLE players.

  46. G Money says:

    Woodguy: When you have players playing 3rd pair who can move up the roster when the injuries happen and the team doesn’t take a significant dip in performance

    This is where the Oilers need to get to in order to be a contender.

    Right now, we have the opposite – we have guys playing UP the roster by default. Second pairing playing first pairing, fourth line playing third line, etc.

    Reverse that – where second pairing guys are playing third pairing, third line calibre guys are on the fourth line, etc. – and success is around the corner.

    Severson would replace Gryba. So you have a guy capable of playing second pairing playing on the third pairing, replacing a guy on the third pairing who is more of a 7D or AHL top pairing guy.

    Without fixing the top two pairs on the right side, it’s not the solution – but it is part of the process.

  47. Fog of Warts says:

    Staples has an amusing piece up about manspreading.

    You know, the obnoxious act of women-nesting.

    Phrase-level parallel structure—usually the competent writer’s first and best plan—would have rendered that as “women-widening”. Oops. So much for the compact, competent option.

    Perhaps laying on some metaphorical spread, we can 2.0 the parallelism problem something like this:

    Besides, if I’m not going to speak out against manspreading, I’ll lose all credibility when I bash people, most commonly women, for setting down their large purses, packages or backpacks on the chair next to them, then not moving it for another passenger to sit even as the train fills up. You know, the hottie hedges, matron moats, and bag-lady breastworks of the hen-hog duopoly.

    ———

    All these years I’ve never realized—until just now—that using “2.0” as a verb was on my bucket list.

    Also dead on arrival to my personal bucket list—as of this very instant—is to add an item to the bottom of my bucket list striking the cross-stroke first, before penciling in the identifying text over top.

    Sweet. Two for the price of “2.0”.

  48. Woodguy says:

    OF17: If the Oilers have a LHS-RHS bottom pairing where both players can play top-4 injury replacement AND are young enough to grow into full-time top-4 D, I won’t know what to do with myself.

    If Davidson-Severson is our bottom pair on merit next season, I’m going to be a very happy camper.

    My thoughts exactly

  49. rickithebear says:

    QMJHL age NHLE; EVG; PRIM EVA; draft eligble:

    Dubois 17.227
    .694 AGE NHLE
    .855 EV PRim PT
    age NHLE 49 PRim EV PT
    27 EVG 22 Prim EVA

    Abramov 17.356
    .661 age NHLE
    .730 Prim EV PT
    age NHLE 40 Prim EV PT
    24 EVG 16 Prim EVA

    Gauthier 17.918
    .521 age NHLE
    .741 Prim EVPT
    age NHLE 32 Prim EVPT
    23 EVG 9 Prim EVA

    Laberge 17.436
    .641 age NHLE
    .589 Prim EVPT
    age NHLE 31 Prim EVPT
    18 EVG 13 Prime EVA

    Gignac 17.855
    .536
    .552 Prim EVPT
    age NHLE 24 Prim EVPT
    11 EVG 13 Prim EVA

    Fortier 17.751
    .562
    .529 prim EVPT
    age NHLE 24 Prim EVPT
    15 EVG 9 Prim EVA

  50. godot10 says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    godot10,

    I’d say the player they are mostly likely to do that with is Anderson, as I think they’d love to have him for one more year just to be sure Gibson is their guy.I could see them doing the same with Pirri, and third Vatanen.

    Don’t think it will happen with Lindholm or Rakell, those are core guys.

    Vatanen and Andersen are arbitration eligible as they are finishing their second contracts. Lindholm and Rakell are not arbitration eligible, and could be “forced” to play on their QO, so Friedman is talking about these two in that item and not Vatanen or Andersen.

  51. godot10 says:

    Jaxon:
    godot10,

    Why spend assets on a LD when you most likely have 2 top 4 in your system that are ready or close to ready. Klefbom, Sekera are already a solid top 4 left side. Paigin, Nurse, Reinhart (more likely solid 2nd pair potential) all have top pair potential and Davidson, Oesterle, LaLeggia and Musil all have 2nd or 3rd pair potential.

    Handedness is much less important than the quality of the defensemen. If Lindholm or Keith or Hedman or Vlasic or Josi is available, handedness doesn’t matter. If a legit #1D is available, one doesn’t look a gift horse in the mouth.

    If Murray takes a hard line with Lindholm, it is a no-brainer to offer sheet him.

  52. Woodguy says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Woodguy,

    – Fine, I will bite.Severy played a lot with Greene, who is awesome, and a lot with Merrill who is also emerging.His CF WOWY numbers away from those guys is not good.

    – Extrapolating figures from NJ and taking them to the West is danger.

    – Great, get him: is he going to move the team D anymore than Griff or Nurse or Gryba?

    – IMO Severy is just another shiny toy that you don’t know what you have, you “hope” he can replicate the same thing playing on a far worse team, with a different D system, in the tougher conference.Gryba is fine as your bottom D.Is he an upgrade on Fayne? Marincin?!

    – I’m sick and tired of getting guys to grow and develop and hope. Aim higher than a 1 goal this season, 125 game D, just because he’s a RD. He’s not going anywhere anyways.

    – So many here are fond of tinkering….

    – I like a Kevan Miller way better and we know what we have if you want to tinker

    I had a big response almost done and the site ate it. Ack!

    Severson on played 76 of 1100 minutes with Greene and is only 2% away from him.

    Merrill has about 40 more games and is 2 years older than Severson. Severson is an up and commer as well.

    Severson is about 3% less away from Merrill and only played 189 with him.

    Severson played most of his time with Moore, who is pretty suspect.

    The fact that he gets better results with Greene and Merrill than with Moore is an “of course thing”

    It’s a tribute to Severson is get the results he did with Moore.

    Yes, he moves the team forward more than griff or Nurse in that he’s playing his proper hand and has a track record of good results in 2nd pairing. Griff or Nurse don’t have that.

    He”d make a good 3rd pairing partner for either.

    He can pass and play PP which puts him ahead of Gryba

    You’re sick of hope and you’d rather have Nurse or Griff as 3rd? that’s the definition of hope.

    Kevan Miller is like a more physical Fayne. If you want more of that go ahead.

  53. jimmers2 says:

    Fog of Warts,

    Oh oh… you’re done, the list is completed. Watch out for falling anvils, pianos and such as you head home…

  54. AsiaOil says:

    G Money,

    Sure I like Severson with Davey on the 3rd pair – but the damned expansion draft is a problem that favors having four really good dman and a couple of passable scrubs you expose. You would have to be confident that Severson would be a 2nd pair guy by the end of next year. Fayne is in the “passable 3rd pair scrub” category so I’m fine with keeping him. Reinhart plus Yak for Severson plus ? makes some sense for us and maybe NJD.

  55. rickithebear says:

    WHL Age NHLE EVG Prime EVA for Draft Eligble;
    Dube 17.156
    .711 age NHLE
    .585 PRim EV PT
    age NHLE 34 EVPT
    18 EVG 16 Prim EVA

    Hannoun 17.121
    .720 Age NHLE
    .521 Prime EVP
    age NHLE 31 Prime EVP
    18 EVG 13 prime EVA

    Benson 17.504
    .624 age NHLE
    .567 Prime EVPT
    age NHLE 30 EVPT
    12 EVG 18 Prim EVA

    Gregor 17.134
    .717
    .472
    age NHLE 28 EVP
    11 EVG 17 Prime EVA

    B. Burke 18.704
    .430 AGe NHLE
    .736 Prim EVPT
    age NHLE 26 Prime EVP
    11 EVG 15 Prime EVA

    Philips 17.444
    .639
    .458
    age NHLE 24 prim EVP
    15 EVG 9 Prime EVA

    SOY 18.595
    .441 age NHLE
    .639 Prim EVP
    age NHLE 23 PRIME EVP
    15 EVG 8 PRime EVA

  56. rickithebear says:

    Top pair Dman?????

    Top pair-> faces 1st comp
    Dman -> defends home (net) Top 60 Defence

    2nd Pair Dman
    2nd pair -> faces 2nd comp
    Dman -> above average Defence

    I look forward to an some 1st pair and 2nd pair D otions on this blog.

    Still waiting!

  57. OF17 says:

    AsiaOil:
    G Money,

    Sure I like Severson with Davey on the 3rd pair – but the damned expansion draft is a problem that favors having four really good dman and a couple of passable scrubs you expose. You would have to be confident that Severson would be a 2nd pair guy by the end of next year. Fayne is in the “passable 3rd pair scrub” category so I’m fine with keeping him. Reinhart plus Yak for Severson plus ? makes some sense for us and maybe NJD.

    No guarantees that happens next year, which means all of Klefbom, Sekera, Davidson, Nurse, and Reinhart could need to be protected, and that’s without any RHD additions. Most likely, there are 1-2 additions at D coming with at max 1 guy of that group being sent away. You’re going to expose value either way, so trying to make it so you won’t won’t work. Just means we lose 1 of 7 rather than 1 of 6.

    That situation would be one of the benefits of trading down too. The most commonly voiced ideas – trading for #7 and #20 or #13 and #21 – would leave us right in range for Dante Fabbro with that second pick, or even Charlie McAvoy with the first. Both very much excite me in their own right, but they also fill the RHD void in our prospect pool to a T. With one or both of them 1-2 years along in development, losing a Severson to expansion would hurt but there’d already be a replacement for him (ie bottom pair RHD with potential) ready or close to ready.

  58. LadiesloveSmid says:

    rickithebear,

    K Miller and Bellemore!

  59. Professor Q says:

    Dubois plays with Svechnikov and Lazarev.

    Stop saying he doesn’t also play with top players like Tkatchuk does (and they both complement those players, without riding their coattails).

    http://m.capebretonpost.com/Sports/Hockey/2015-12-10/article-4372000/Screaming-Eagles-top-line-auditioning-for-world-juniors/1

  60. Younger Oil says:

    Demers
    Faulk/Barrie/Vatanen
    Severson/Manson

    Would be my ideal summer for addressing the D.

  61. auzy11 says:

    OK PC there is no reason to not make a splash for say Tyson,and change this fucking team,if you cant do anything now get out the door,we have had enough!!!!!!!!!!!

  62. auzy11 says:

    Tired of this shit,this is the year perfect for overhaul,get it dont and get on it ASAP,,,,,,,,,,,,,I am tired of well just did not seem right,we thought we could get more,,,,,Get the hell going ,i dont trust you so hurry you pinhead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  63. Barcs says:

    If it’s Yak to NJD for Severson, I wonder if there’s room in that deal for Mark Fayne to return to the organization that he had the most success with.

    I like Fayne fine, but if we have the chance to dump that contract to free room for Demers and others, I think you have to seize it.

    Klefbom-Demers
    Sekera-Barrie/Faulk/Vatanen/etc.
    Davidson-Severson

    Looks pretty good to me.

  64. OF17 says:

    Barcs:
    If it’s Yak to NJD for Severson, I wonder if there’s room in that deal for Mark Fayne to return to the organization that he had the most success with.

    I like Fayne fine, but if we have the chance to dump that contract to free room for Demers and others, I think you have to seize it.

    Klefbom-Demers
    Sekera-Barrie/Faulk/Vatanen/etc.
    Davidson-Severson

    Looks pretty good to me.

    It might be too many pieces. When was the last time a team added that much to a defense? I don’t think that’s a reasonable expectation. A definite notch down from projecting Stamkos and Faulk on the roster, as I’ve done before, but still, that’s a level of hope bound for disappointment IMO.

  65. Barcs says:

    OF17,

    Fair enough haha. You’re right, I should probably set the bar lower and then hopefully be pleasantly surprised. ☺️

  66. Younger Oil says:

    OF17: It might be too many pieces. When was the last time a team added that much to a defense? I don’t think that’s a reasonable expectation. A definite notch down from projecting Stamkos and Faulk on the roster, as I’ve done before, but still, that’s a level of hope bound for disappointment IMO.

    But when has a RHD depth been this bad?

    Demers could be had as a free agent, Yak for Severson seems like a reasonable deal (I’d even suggest Yak and Fayne for Severson and Gelinas), and we have a lot of pieces that can be traded for a Barrie/Vatanen/Faulk type, most notably the 4th Overall.

    I definitely don’t see Chia choosing to do all of that, but we definitely have the pieces to make those trades without creating massive holes in the lineup.

  67. LadiesloveSmid says:

    OF17,

    Expansion draft is something to consider when trading multiple Fs/#4 for D. Lose one of Demers, Klef, Barrie/Faulk/Vatanen, Severson in that scenario

  68. Tapdog says:

    Younger Oil,

    Sorry Gelinas was flipped to Colorado at the deadline for a 3rd round pick

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/new-jersey-devils-trade-eric-gelinas-to-avalanche/

  69. Younger Oil says:

    Tapdog:
    Younger Oil,

    Sorry Gelinas was flipped to Colorado at the deadline for a 3rd round pick

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/new-jersey-devils-trade-eric-gelinas-to-avalanche/

    Whoops, missed that! Thanks!

  70. Doug McLachlan says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Potentially.

    One of the things to remember is that while we don’t know for certain what the expansion rules will be, the history of expansion drafts is that there are usually side deals a plenty to provide extra cover for players.

    We can flip you a pick if you don’t take this extra d-man that we have to expose. We can trade you this young prospect, who would otherwise be exempt, in exchange for selecting our 2nd goalie as opposed to this veteran winger.

    I agree that the Expansion draft will be a factor in all of this but I don’t think we should be not make rational moves to improve the balance on the team because of the potential of having to expose this or that player.

    Miles of road to go before next summer – let’s get through this one first.

  71. GCW_69 says:

    kinger_OIL:
    GCW_69,

    – I don’t get the love of Severson.If we didn’t have like 8 6-7 D’s on the roster already maybe.

    – We don’t need “another piece to grow with the core”Need bonafide, 250-500 game vets to play & mentor our plethora of potential D…He’s a D with NJ, with good numbers: sounds like Fayne

    – 120 games into his career, 1 goal last year: aim a lot higher please

    He played second pair minutes last season. He is way better than Fayne. His numbers are not propped up by Greene. In fact, in his rookie season his numbers were better without Greene.

    He also played the second most minutes on the powerplay of their blue, and second most per game of any defenceman playing more than 40 games.

    He is nothing like Fayne.

    You certainly don’t grab Severson to be your 1RD, but he is a legit 2RD right now with top pairing upside. He is on the outs with his coach this year after DeBoer loved him last year. He could be the Devils Jeff Petry, do the acquisition cost is likely lower than almost any other legit 2RD you could target.

    So, sure, why would we want that?

  72. GCW_69 says:

    Ducey: Why would NJ trade him?

    He seems to be a useful defenseman who is on his ELC and only making $600 K next year. NJ is cheap and so is he.

    NJ has only 12 players under contract and only $39 M on the Cap next year. None of their RFA’s are stars who are going to get massive new contracts. So no Cap problems.

    Because his coach didn’t like him. Players get traded for that reason all the time.

  73. Jaxon says:

    Professor Q,

    Now hold on. Those are in no way equivalents. Dubois outscored Svechnikov by 20pts!!! and Lazarev by 24 pts! If anything it proves even more that he was dragging them along. How many points would they have without Dubois? Tkachuk got 9pts less than Marner and 14 pts less than Dvorak. I’m not saying Tkachuk isn’t a very talented, special player, becuse he absolutely is. I’m just saying that when their point totals and scouting reports are close and there is potential of one being ‘zoomed’ by his linemates, I would lean toward the other one who outscored his linemates by 20 pts. I’d also lean toward the bigger, meaner, faster player (which from reports I’ve read is Dubois). I’d also lean toward the player who can play C. Even Dubois +/- says he carried his team on his back. His +40 is 10 more than any teammate and 14 more than his linemates and is 6th overall in the Q mostly behind 4 guys from the Huskies. Tkachuk was tied for 4th/5th on his team.

  74. AsiaOil says:

    If we protect 4 defense then Sekera (NMC) and Klef are givens. Highly likely we also protect Davey given his growth and contract. Nurse will be exempt which is a great reason to keep him. That leaves one protected slot and it absolutely must be for a high value RHD that we likely get via trade. I’d wager that a bunch of guys who no one expects will be available this summer because of the expansion draft. A deal with WPG for Trouba could help both clubs. They have the opposite problem so we could be a match.

    Trade for 1 RHD and UFA the other is a reasonable expectation and I’m getting more comfortable signing Demers as long as a NMC is not part of the package. Exposing and losing a UFA signing doesn’t hurt near as bad as losing a guy like Davey. The guy we trade for must be at least 2nd pair and hopefully top pair quality. Another 3rd pair guy just creates additional problems and Fayne fills those shoes well enough for now.

  75. Jaxon says:

    I think many are looking at expansion protection all wrong. We shouldn’t be worried about trading for talented players because we might lose them in the expansion draft. We should be stockpiling talented players, especially young ones, draft picks and prospects. Just don’t sign players to NMCs or NTCs so you have a choice in who to protect when it comes time. Remember, the most they’ll lose is 1 player per expansion team and that would mean a max of 2. If the players is good and makes your team better then get him. But, if there are opportunities to pick up talent that won’t be exposed (young players and draft picks), then they should go after those too. The deeper your talent pool, the less it will matter.

  76. Jaxon says:

    godot10,

    They won’t let Lindholm go. I think they’d trade Bieksa and Stoner and retain some of their salaries before letting Lindholm or Vatanen go. Or even buyout Bieksa and/or Stoner. GMs know how valuable young top 4D are and how hard they are to find. Pirri, Stewart, Horcoff, Santorelli are all gone unless they sign bargain contracts before letting Lindholm and Vatanen go. They’ll be tough on Perron before getting tough on Lindholm and Vatanen. They’ll also be tough on Andersen as they see Gibson as their future number 1. If they have to they’ll go to the UFA market to get a cheaper #2 goalie. Outside of Getzlaf and Perry, those are possibly their 2 most valuable players. They’ll find the money for them.

    Also, if the team files for arbitration, other teams cannot make offer sheets. So Anaheim could simply file for arbitration on the eligible RFAs that they want to keep (Vatanen) to avoid getting offer sheets on them. Arbitration can be filed by the player or the team to stop offer sheets.

    For arbitration eligible players that they would be willing to let go if they cost too much, they leave those players open for offer sheets and take the draft pick compensations if they get a bite. They can absolutely play hardball with these players to get them to sign cheaply. I would consider Andersen and Pirri in that category.

    On players without arbitration rights that they want to keep (Rakell and Lindholm), they must pay a fair price to keep them. They may try to get them signed first to as low as possible a cap hit. these 2 players will be their priority.

    All that to say, I don’t think anyone is getting Lindholm or Vatanen.

  77. Dustylegnd says:

    Who is Tyler Wong? He is an under sized February 1996 Alberta Born kid with questionable skating and a history of injury. Tyler’s break through year came this season in his 4th full year in the WHL playing against kids. He signed an ATO with the Marlies in April and played 3 games with them.

    He plays a style that his diminutive size can not back up and is exactly the type of player that will not help Edmonton on any level. Break out WHL seasons that come at the age of 20 have never mattered and never will.

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