PACIFIC BLUE

So far this spring, we have concentrated on RH defensemen in procurement for the Edmonton Oilers. Today, I take the RH list and throw a bunch of lefties in—with the idea that acquiring one of them allows trading a current Oilers LHD for the difficult to fill righty slot. Clear? Great.

DEFENSE: AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY

  1. Jason Demers, Dallas Stars. The book end for Andrej Sekera?
  2. Tyson Barrie, Colorado Avalanche. Quality option for puck mover.
  3. Travis Hamonic, NY Islanders. Perfect fit if available.
  4. LD Alex Goligoski, Dallas Stars. He would be an outstanding option.
  5. Justin Faulk, Carolina Hurricanes. Would be higher, question availability.
  6. Sami Vatanen, Anaheim Ducks. Solid offense, not completely proven.
  7. Radko Gudas, Philadelphia Flyers. Strong, effective defender.
  8. Jacob Trouba, Winnipeg Jets. Strange year for a talented young player.
  9. LD Keith Yandle, NY Rangers. Offensive defenseman.
  10. Michael Stone, Arizona Coyotes. Major knee surgery.
  11. LD Brian Campbell, Florida Panthers. He is effective.
  12. David Savard, Columbus Blue Jackets. Range of skills.
  13. Damon Severson, New Jersey Devils. A nice underlying option.
  14. Mark Pysyk, Buffalo Sabres. The numbers imply there is a player here.
  15. Ryan Pulock, New York Islanders. Big shot from the point has high value. Very young.
  16. Ryan Murphy, Carolina Hurricanes. Some chaos, but good speed and puck-moving ability.
  17. Brandon Montour, Anaheim Ducks. This could be a special player.
  18. Cody Franson, Buffalo Sabres. That hammer from the point would come in handy and he fits a real need.
  19. Jordan Schmaultz, St. Louis Blues. Puck-moving prospect.
  20. Anthony DeAngelo, Tampa Bay Lightning. Another player with a puck-moving element to his game.
  21. Colin Miller, Boston Bruins. With the other Miller signing, maybe he is available.
  22. LD David Schlemko, New Jersey Devils. Depth D, has some nice things.
  23. Eric Gryba, Edmonton Oilers. I think management likes him.
  24. Ville Pokka, Chicago Blackhawks. Young defender in the Chicago system.
  25. Frank Corrado, Toronto Maple Leafs. Very little evidence but he showed up in some good places.
  26. Ryan Sproul, Detroit Red Wings. Puck-moving defender in the AHL.
  27. Dennis Wideman, Calgary Flames. A year removed from a fantastic offensive season.
  28. Taylor Aronson, Nashville Predators. Minor-league defender.
  29. LD Matt Irwin, Boston Bruins. Depth defender.

ETHAN RIFLES, ETHAN RIFLES!

bear capture camp oil

The Oilers need a pipeline of players, and the club badly needs to string some grand drafts together in order to help feed the McDavid era (trades, replacements, actual NHL players). How many players, on average, come from a single draft?

Let’s take 2005. That draft has delivered 111 NHL players (3.7 per team) and those players have averaged 229 NHL games. So, an equal share for the 2005 draft would be (229 x 3.7) is 847 games. Edmonton? 1,083 games, courtesy Andrew Cogliano (704), Chris VandeVelde (197), Taylor Chorney (123) and Danny Syvret (59).

The pipeline is important—every player—and drafting Ethan Bear is only one piece of the puzzle. Edmonton needs to sign him too—something that didn’t get done with Tobias Rieder and Erik Gustafsson—and then he has to get coached up in the AHL. The Oilers badly need Bear, Caleb Jones, John Marino and Ziyat Paigin to turn out. History tells us one of them is going to emerge and (likely) the other three will not, but signing all four and getting them into the system is damned important.

ONE OF THESE THINGS, IS NOT LIKE THE OTHERS…

  • Fluto Shinzawa, Boston Globe: The Wild have depth on defense. The Oilers do not. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins might be a player of interest for Boudreau and Wild GM Chuck Fletcher. In turn, with Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl in place, Edmonton is in a position of strength at center. This may be the time for the Oilers to deploy Nugent-Hopkins as trade collateral to improve their defense. Source

I want to make a couple of points here, one about the idea of RNH being dealt for a defenseman and another about the media.

  • Every once in awhile I will get an email about the media, usually suggesting things get made up just to grab attention. I don’t know any of the people mentioned above really well, but have worked with three of the four and can tell you that if they say it, write it, or broadcast it, there is something sourced driving that decision. Media is a funny thing (I know radio backwards, television and newspaper less so) in that all you really have is your reputation. Lose that, and it doesn’t take long before you are covering late night city hall meetings and reading up on quorums, publication bans and cost overruns. Once a media member gains substantial access, they guard it closely and make sure not to screw it up. Seriously. Information is the life blood of the hockey reporting business, and access is the key to getting it.
  • The reports above (from different points in the season/offseason) appear to be conflicting, but in fact all could be true. Rishaug’s line ‘no doubt in my mind’ tips me that he has a really good source, somewhere on planet earth, who told him something that led him to that conclusion. Why would he make it up? Mark Spector has an actual trade item (not completed) six weeks later—this is pretty substantial stuff, folks—and at that point (imo) there was a real possibility of a deal involving a veteran forward.
  • End of season, Terry Jones tweet above reflected a very positive media avail in which Peter Chiarelli was very complimentary about his young veteran center. We could assume that—this is April—the club may have been thinking about the value of the lottery pick, possible trades involving Benoit Pouliot and other (lesser) assets.
  • The Globe item comes in May, and be indicate the value on some of the movable assets is not as strong as hoped, and of course the lottery pick is No. 4, not No. 2.
  • If you add all of this up, pretty clear to me a case can be made that Nuge was in play during January, off the market in April (plans may have involved other assets out) and may be in play again as we head to draft day. Nuge is a wonderful player, hope like hell they don’t deal him, but parsing those tweets and stories it seems at least plausible that RNH is being discussed in trade.

DRAFT RE-ENTRY DAY

It is draft re-entry day, we covered the names here. I remember being mad as hell about the Oilers passing on Oil Kings later in the draft (I had seen Aaron Irving especially well), looks like the scouts may have gotten it right. There are some good players on there, names to keep in mind. Edmonton need to be procurement demons to make up for trading picks, not signing good players (if they don’t sign Ethan Bear the club will need to replace him) and draft misses. Hurricanes signed Wesley, just announced.

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FINAL LISTS!

This is always a fun time for draft geeks, as the final final lists come out (mostly this week and next). ISS is a fun list and their descriptions are thoughtful, insightful and substantial. The 2016 final list is here. It really points out how quickly things meander after about No. 20 overall—Riley Tufte is going to go higher than many people believe—and it is a fun list for sure.

HAMONIC

I received a dm this morning from someone who asked about Travis Hamonic’s availability. Idea being just because he has rescinded the trade request doesn’t mean Garth Snow will keep him. The next logical question is what is the ask? If we borrow the ‘trade a lefty for a righty’ idea from above, could the Oilers:

  • Sign Alex Goligoski
  • Trade a LHD for Travis Hamonic

I think it is an idea at least worth considering. Could you trade Sekera plus something to make the money work, for Hamonic and something else? Perhaps Snow is interested in Nurse? Injury worries to Klefbom and Brandon Davidson probably make those conversations a non-starter, but the idea has value in my opinion.

marincin and schultz

JUSTIN SCHULTZ

A lot of angst among Oilers Nation about Justin Schultz possibly winning a Stanley Cup. Folks, this is kind of crazy if you don’t mind me saying. If you date a girl, and it doesn’t work out, and you find yourself irrationally jealous that her next relationship is a winner, that says something about you—not the girl.

Also, and this is important, Justin Schultz was not a good player for the Oilers. That is a fact. We know this, have visual and math evidence plus, you know, they traded him. Schultz did not arrive in Pittsburgh as a top pairing savior and a small sample size in the Stanley Cup Final remains a small sample size full stop.

If you believe Justin Schultz has turned around the Penguins, you need to apologize immediately to Sidney Crosby. And Hockey. And life. Plus your Mom.

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174 Responses to "PACIFIC BLUE"

  1. frjohnk says:

    I’m cheering for the Sharks but if the Pens win, I’ll be happy for Schultz

  2. speeds says:

    Couple NHL sources telling me Vegas is done deal for '17-18, with formal approval by BOG this month— Adrian Dater (@adater) June 1, 2016

  3. zatch says:

    If you move Sekera…that feels like the Gilbert-Petry_Sekera running in place Edmonton has done the last forever. How are you any better, really, by doing that? Who is replacing Sekera? I assume there’s an FA LHD that makes it logical.

  4. Snowman says:

    You packed a lot of great stuff in this one LT!

    “If you date a girl, and it doesn’t work out, and you find yourself irrationally jealous that her next relationship is a winner, that says something about you—not the girl.” – Great line.

    I would add to the Nuge trade discussion. Spector said he was offered and Chia directly refuted that later on in the season IIRC. I’ll try to find the presser but I’m pretty sure he said something along the lines of “lots of rumours about Nuge being dealt but I can assure you they aren’t true”. Something like that anyways. Not to say Spector is full of crap but I wonder sometimes if the media reports items that are given to them by sources who have other motivations other than helping a guy out with a piece he is writing.

  5. Clay says:

    zatch:
    If you move Sekera…that feels like the Gilbert-Petry_Sekera running in place Edmonton has done the last forever. How are you any better, really, by doing that? Who is replacing Sekera? I assume there’s an FA LHD that makes it logical.

    I believe that’s why he said you sign Goligoski first.

  6. QCoilers says:

    Lowetide (or anyone else!), I’ve seen in previous posts references to a 6% possession swing when a L-R pair of defensemen is used. Could you tell me where I can find more info on that finding, that is the blog post or study where it was obtained?

  7. Lloyd B. says:

    speeds:

    That makes things more challenging as both McDavid and Nurse will need to be protected. Good thing Chiarelli has a year to get this figured out.

    Once announced by the NHL I reckon we will see a year quite unlike any others regards trades as teams manoeuvre to fit the rules.

  8. Truth says:

    Klefbom is the trade chip the Oilers should use. I absolutely love the player but he is already being projected as a top 2 D around Edmonton (and elsewhere) while only playing 107 NHL games over 3 seasons. Plus he’s coming off an injury that forces him to permanently wear a custom skate made to reduce the pain experienced while skating. I seriously doubt his trade value will ever be as high as it is right now.

  9. Jethro Tull says:

    I’m surprised nobody has ever brought up Shea Weber as a potential target. Maybe Anton Lander + +?

  10. zatch says:

    Clay,

    This was very obvious and I am pretty dumb for missing it.

    My apologies, LT.

  11. Ducey says:

    QCoilers:
    Lowetide (or anyone else!), I’ve seen in previous posts references to a 6% possession swing when a L-R pair of defensemen is used. Could you tell me where I can find more info on that finding, that is the blog post or study where it was obtained?

    Go to Woodfellow’s Blog – Because Oilers. The link is on the front page of this blog. He has lots of stuff on the issue, including the link to the study.

  12. bbf_iii says:

    Lloyd B.: That makes things more challenging as both McDavid and Nurse will need to be protected. Good thing Chiarelli has a year to get this figured out.

    Once announced by the NHL I reckon we will see a year quite unlike any others regards trades as teams manoeuvre to fit the rules.

    I was under the impression that if the expansion draft was next summer, McDavid and Nurse would not have to be protected. They would still count as second-year pros as the draft will have to be before July 1 due to free agency.

  13. Lloyd B. says:

    bbf_iii,

    I did not have enough coffee in me this morning. Fingers blurred when I counted past one. That definitely makes things easier this time around.

  14. LostBoy says:

    Is Chiarelli talking up Nuge at the year-end availability really in conflict with considering moving him?

    I mean, I know the MacTavish way was opposite – explaining to the world that Horcoff and Hemsky had Loser Germs from losing too much and that hence he’d be moving them.

    Trashing the trade value of assets didn’t work all that well, though.

  15. LOObird says:

    Great post, LT.

    I’m glad Schultz was traded, but I would also be happy to see him lift the cup. I imagine the past couple years have not been easy for him.

    You should slip him into your RH defensemen acquisition list just to see people’s reaction. I think it would be hilarious.

  16. bbf_iii says:

    Lloyd B.:
    bbf_iii,

    I did not have enough coffee in me this morning.Fingers blurred when I counted past one. That definitely makes things easier this time around.

    Indeed. Basically, the Oilers should want the expansion draft as soon as possible.

  17. dustrock says:

    Snowman:
    You packed a lot of great stuff in this one LT!

    “If you date a girl, and it doesn’t work out, and you find yourself irrationally jealous that her next relationship is a winner, that says something about you—not the girl.” – Great line.

    I would add to the Nuge trade discussion. Spector said he was offered and Chia directly refuted that later on in the season IIRC. I’ll try to find the presser but I’m pretty sure he said something along the lines of “lots of rumours about Nuge being dealt but I can assure you they aren’t true”. Something like that anyways. Not to say Spector is full of crap but I wonder sometimes if the media reports items that are given to them by sources who have other motivations other than helping a guy out with a piece he is writing.

    It’s also possible Spector misunderstood what he was told.

    Re Chia giving glowing praise for RNH at year’s end, of course he’s going to do that, he wants to drive value up, not down.

  18. DRFNsuperstar says:

    Do they get these measurements from the combine?

    http://www.isshockey.com/iss-hockey-releases-final-rankings-in-its-2016-iss-nhl-draft-guide/

    Because Matthews at 6’1″ and 210 is a brick sh*thouse of an 18 year old…there are a ton of big dudes in the top 20. Chychrun and Sergachev have NHL size, would anyone be surprised if Chychrun has a Hanifin type season next year? Their draft years seem very similar, highly rated going into the season, offence gets questioned, talk of other D passing them on the scouting lists due to overexposure, skating and defence are NHL ready. If he gets drafted by someone like Buf or NJ and plays 3rd pair easy minutes he would probably succeed.

  19. Hockey Buddha says:

    We need 2 RHD as I see it: a young stud RHD and more of a stop-gap RHD. Almost any of those options make our defense better. Even LT’s no. 30. Not a sexy move, but I’m unopposed to bringing in Wideman from Calgary. Wideman suits me fine as a stop-gap option, a guy who can move the puck very effectively. His value is low right now (big contract, underperformed slightly), and he’d fill the gap for 2-3 years until Bear can make the jump. That is, if things continue to break right for Bear. I also think Fayne is fine. We just need to get better ahead of him.

  20. Snowman says:

    dustrock: It’s also possible Spector misunderstood what he was told.

    Re Chia giving glowing praise for RNH at year’s end, of course he’s going to do that, he wants to drive value up, not down.

    I suppose that possible. I wonder though if Spector’s source wasn’t with the Oilers, rather maybe someone who wanted Nuge.

    Or maybe Chia changed his tune like Lowetide said. I can’t find that interview or presser so its also possible that my memory is playing tricks on me as well.

    Many things are possible today when it comes to my memory.

  21. DRFNsuperstar says:

    Also,

    Keller is really young!!!!!!!

    How does the USHL (the final scouting frontier) rate for NHLEs compared to the Q and BCHL?

  22. dustrock says:

    Snowman: I suppose that possible. I wonder though if Spector’s source wasn’t with the Oilers, rather maybe someone who wanted Nuge.

    Or maybe Chia changed his tune like Lowetide said. I can’t find that interview or presser so its also possible that my memory is playing tricks on me as well.

    Many things are possible today when it comes to my memory.

    Heh heh exactly. I’m also not convinced reporters are told exact specifics until the deal is basically confirmed.

    Spector: “Are you looking at making a move for a defenceman?”

    Chia/Source: “Yeah, we’ve discussed a couple of fairly substantial moves.”

    Spector: “Are you looking at Seth Jones?”

    Chia/Source: “He’s one of the players we’re discussing.”

    Spector: “Would the deal be something like RNH?”

    Chia/Source: “That name has come up in discussions.”

  23. Магия 10 says:

    bbf_iii: Indeed. Basically, the Oilers should want the expansion draft as soon as possible.

    Yes. The best scenario for the Oil is that Vegas and Quebec get teams in 2017-18 or not at all. Delay is our enemy.

  24. Jaxon says:

    I was hoping San Jose wouldn’t go far because every round they won this year increased the odds that Thornton, Marleau and Burns will want to come back to either defend their Cup or try again at winning it. I was hoping Burns wouldn’t have a career year on a team that went all the way so he might follow McLellan to Edmonton next summer. Alas, that looks less likely all the time. I guesses I can still hope that they implode next season.

  25. Primetime says:

    Snowman:
    You packed a lot of great stuff in this one LT!

    “If you date a girl, and it doesn’t work out, and you find yourself irrationally jealous that her next relationship is a winner, that says something about you—not the girl.” – Great line.

    I would add to the Nuge trade discussion. Spector said he was offered and Chia directly refuted that later on in the season IIRC. I’ll try to find the presser but I’m pretty sure he said something along the lines of “lots of rumours about Nuge being dealt but I can assure you they aren’t true”. Something like that anyways. Not to say Spector is full of crap but I wonder sometimes if the media reports items that are given to them by sources who have other motivations other than helping a guy out with a piece he is writing.

    I mentioned this at the time of Spector’s story: I think it’s entirely possible that he had good info but just lacked the background context. I believe it was Columbus driving this trade as they were trying to rid themselves of Johansen (Tortorella’s hiring being the final nail in the coffin). They called Poile and kept bugging him until Seth Jones was part of the deal. At that point, isn’t it possible that Poile decided to see who else he may be able to get if he was actually going to trade the prized prospect? I have no doubt that he would have checked on both RNH and Duchene’s availability before pulling the trigger as both of those teams also needed a young, stud D-man. Thus, RNH was brought up in discussion for Jones but not necessarily “offered up”. Chia wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t at least answer the phone call and discuss the possibility, even if Poile ultimately decided on RyJo.

    On a related note…Columbus is still desperately needing a centre. If they are set on drafting Puljujarvi, would they now flip Seth Jones for RNH? Would you do it if you were the Oilers?

  26. kinger_OIL says:

    – OK great write-up LT. Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool? First prize is a donation to Lowetide. 2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!). If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear. I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

  27. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    QCoilers:
    Lowetide (or anyone else!), I’ve seen in previous posts references to a 6% possession swing when a L-R pair of defensemen is used. Could you tell me where I can find more info on that finding, that is the blog post or study where it was obtained?

    GMoney would be happy to go over it in detail for you.

  28. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    First off, I read the first little bit as you inviting us to a pool party. Which was nice, followed shortly by disappointing as I kept reading.

    Anyway….

    1) Pulliarvi
    2) Faulk
    3) Jack Johnson
    4) Montoya
    5) RNH
    6) Lander
    7) Hartnell
    8) Nope
    9) 3 (RNH for Faulk)
    10) Klef Davidson Nurse (on the roster includes pressbox)

  29. Younger Oil says:

    Really great write-up LT.

    I don’t know this for sure, I could be crazy, but I thought I heard somewhere that Nurse wasn’t considered to be untouchable, and could be moved if the price is right.

    On the ISS rankings, the most significant thing by far IMO is the fact that Adam Mascherin is left out of the top 30. Built like a tank (5’10” 200 lbs), fast, plays a heavy game, and has the 3rd best even strength primary points per game out of 1st year draft eligible CHL forwards. I’m shocked that he’s not ranked higher than he is on almost every list, and would put money on him being the steal of the draft.

  30. Pelley says:

    Offer Sheet Seth Jones! Curious what you think about that. See this blog: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Matt-Henderson/Offer-Sheet-Seth-Jones/191/77300

  31. Professor Q says:

    I really am not looking forward to Edmonton playing against Vancouver and Logan Brown if they do decide to do that…

  32. who says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1)PLD
    2)Trouba
    3)No one
    4)Hutchison
    5)Yes Hall
    6)No one
    7)No one
    8)No
    9)2
    10)Nurse, Davidson, Klef

  33. Ducey says:

    Pelley:
    Offer Sheet Seth Jones! Curious what you think about that. See this blog: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Matt-Henderson/Offer-Sheet-Seth-Jones/191/77300

    Its too risky.

    No way that $5.5 per year will be enough. CLB will match.

    So the Oilers would be paying $6+ x 7 yrs for a guy with a ton of potential but one that struggled upon his move to CLB. That indicates he is not really ready for prime time.

    That assumes that CLB just doesn’t match and then flip him elsewhere, or flips him before the offer sheet comes down (see Dougie Hamilton)

    Maybe he is worth that kind of money by year 3 of the contract, maybe he never is. Its very unlikely that contract will ever be a deal.

    Plus you give up your draft (1st, 2nd, 3rd) next year.

    I love Jones and would try and make a trade for him, but offer sheets just don’t work.

  34. Johnny skid says:

    who: 1)PLD
    2)Trouba
    3)No one
    4)Hutchison
    5)Yes Hall
    6)No one
    7)No one
    8)No
    9)2
    10)Nurse, Davidson, Klef

    i really like your number 2 choice.

  35. spoiler says:

    Nurse and the 4th overall as the core of a deal for either Faulk and the 21st overall or Pietrangelo/Shattenkirk and the 28th overall. St. Loo can then sign their captain, Backes.

    Yak and Korpse for Severson/Larsson… NJ’s choice.

    Sign Brouwer and Stewart. Sign Chad Johnson. Re-sign Gryba

    Maroon–McDeity–Eberle
    Hall–Nuge–Brouwer
    Pouliot–Draisaitl–Stewart
    Hendricks–Letestu–Kassian
    Pakarinen

    Klefbom–Pietrangelo
    Sekera–Fayne
    Davidson–Severson
    Reinhart–Gryba

    Talbot
    Johnson
    Broissoit

  36. Ducey says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1)Fabbro
    2)Demers
    3)Vatanan
    4)Anders Nilsson (again)
    5)Eberle
    6)Ference
    7)Loui Eriksson
    8) Howson will
    9)5 (Yak for RH D prospect)
    10)Davidson Klefbom

  37. RexLibris says:

    Moving Sekera and a prospect for Hamonic and perhaps the rights to a pending UFA like Nielsen would be a great way to deal with the D problem.

    If you honestly think that the injuries to Davidson and Klefbom would be warning sign to other GMs, it could be a blessing in disguise.

  38. kinger_OIL says:

    Here’s my answers by the way:

    1) Nathan Bastian (they trade their 1st round pick)
    2) Spurgeon
    3) Yandle
    4) Enroth
    5) 2: RNH/Eberle
    6) Korposki/Lander/Ferrence
    7) Okposo
    8) Yes -: Chia brings in more of his guys above them
    9) 5 (RNH for Spurgeon)
    10) Davidson

  39. kinger_OIL says:

    Ducey,

    – I forgot to ask a question about Yak, as I see him so gone anyways, I forgot about him: I should have added one though!

  40. Woodguy says:

    QCoilers:
    Lowetide (or anyone else!), I’ve seen in previous posts references to a 6% possession swing when a L-R pair of defensemen is used. Could you tell me where I can find more info on that finding, that is the blog post or study where it was obtained?

    https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/03/04/quantifying-the-importance-of-handedness/

  41. Professor Q says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Here’s my answers by the way:

    1) Nathan Bastian (they trade their 1st round pick)
    2) Spurgeon
    3) Yandle
    4) Enroth
    5) 2: RNH/Eberle
    6) Korposki/Lander/Ferrence
    7) Okposo
    8) Yes -: Chia brings in more of his guys above them
    9) 5 (RNH for Spurgeon)
    10) Klef Davidson

    I’d like to see them try for both Raddysh and Bastian.

  42. Younger Oil says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1. Tkachuk (not who I want, but who I think they’ll pick)
    2. Sami Vatanen
    3. Jason Demers
    4. Enroth
    5. No (Though one probably should be)
    6. Lander, Fayne (though they shouldn’t, should be Korpse)
    7. Andrew Shaw
    8. No (Though I wish)
    9. Does this include trades with just draft picks? If so, I’ll say 4. If not, 3.
    10. Davidson Klefbom Nurse Reinhart (though Nurse and Reinhart should go to the AHL)

    Funny how almost half of my choices are based on me thinking the management will make the wrong decision.

  43. zatch says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1) Olli Juolevi
    2) Jason Demers
    3) Patrick Weircoch
    4) Brossoit
    5) Nuge, It will be a mistake.
    6) Korpse
    7) Lars Eller
    8) Howson will be
    9) 5
    10) Nurse, Davisdon, Klef, Griff on roster but not dressed.

  44. Woodguy says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1) Juolevi
    2) Barrie
    3) Franson
    4) Khudobin
    5) RNH
    6) None
    7) Brower
    8) Howson only
    9) 3, Yak for a 2nd
    10) Nurse, Davidson, Klef

  45. Younger Oil says:

    Professor Q: I’d like to see them try for both Raddysh and Bastian.

    Doing my research on primary even strength scoring for CHL forwards, Bastian did not show well at all. His EV pPPG were the worst relative to his consensus draft ranking (he is ranked in the top 15 for CHL forwards on most lists, but is 30th in scoring by this metric), which strongly suggests his linemates (McLeod and Nylander) could have pumped his offensive numbers up by a fair amount, and he may really struggle to score at a higher level. I liked him on paper at first as well until I saw this data.

    Raddysh is a gem though (6th in EV pPPG, though Strome and DeBrincat pumped his offense a bit), and Adam Mascherin I’m convinced is going to be the steal of the draft (3rd in EV pPPG, but the 20th CHL forward on most lists.

  46. Tapdog says:

    who: 1)PLD
    2)Trouba
    3)No one
    4)Hutchison
    5)Yes Hall
    6)No one
    7)No one
    8)No
    9)2
    10)Nurse, Davidson, Klef

    So #3 is No one but yet in #5 you trade Hall?????

    Care to share who you flipped him for?

  47. Professor Q says:

    Younger Oil: Doing my research on primary even strength scoring for CHL forwards, Bastian did not show well at all. His EV pPPG were the worst relative to his consensus draft ranking (he is ranked in the top 15 for CHL forwards on most lists, but is 30th in scoring by this metric), which strongly suggests his linemates (McLeod and Nylander) could have pumped his offensive numbers up by a fair amount, and he may really struggle to score at a higher level. I liked him on paper at first as well until I saw this data.

    Raddysh is a gem though (6th in EV pPPG, though Strome and DeBrincat pumped his offense a bit), and Adam Mascherin I’m convinced is going to be the steal of the draft (3rd in EV pPPG, but the 20th CHL forward on most lists.

    Plus if they get Raddysh this year, they can try for Timber Lewis and Jerzy Orchard in 2018/2019.

  48. prairieschooner says:

    A bit of sunshine for Justin Schultz, good for him.
    When you draft BPA you have to accept that trading someone you like will happen ie RNH
    PC goes into his “How do I upgrade my team battle ” with only so many weapons at his disposal

  49. Professor Q says:

    Younger Oil: Doing my research on primary even strength scoring for CHL forwards, Bastian did not show well at all. His EV pPPG were the worst relative to his consensus draft ranking (he is ranked in the top 15 for CHL forwards on most lists, but is 30th in scoring by this metric), which strongly suggests his linemates (McLeod and Nylander) could have pumped his offensive numbers up by a fair amount, and he may really struggle to score at a higher level. I liked him on paper at first as well until I saw this data.

    Raddysh is a gem though (6th in EV pPPG, though Strome and DeBrincat pumped his offense a bit), and Adam Mascherin I’m convinced is going to be the steal of the draft (3rd in EV pPPG, but the 20th CHL forward on most lists.

    It could also be an Erie line with McDavid and Caggiula.

  50. spoiler says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1. Fabbro at 28
    2. Shattenkirk
    3. Severson
    4. Chad Johnson
    5. None… trading Hall is insane, Yak has demanded a trade so Ebs can’t go, nor bring enough back, and RNH is right now the #1 C
    6. Possibly Korpse if no takers
    7. Brouwer
    8. We’ll never actually know.
    9. Three. Nurse + 4OV to St. Loo for Shatty abd 28 OV, possible other kickers.
    10. Klef, Davidson on ice, Reinhart PB.

    Hmm… By asking question 10 you stretch this out till October and now we’re guessing on TC injuries.

  51. spoiler says:

    Tapdog: So #3 is No one but yet in #5 you trade Hall?????
    Care to share who you flipped him for?

    I just assumed it was Trouba

  52. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1) Chychrun (trade down happens and both PLD and Tkachuk will go on to be perennial all stars while Chychrun will be an okay #3)
    2) Eric Gryba
    3) No one
    4) Brossoit
    5) Not this year
    6) None (unless counting Ference)
    7) Hartnell
    8) No, think they already have been to a degree and that’s that.
    9) 4 trades including: #4 for #7 and #20 after Arizona wins the bidding war. Hartnell +2nd with no salary retained for a 3rd and 5th.
    10) Klef, Griff, Nurse, Davidson

  53. Doug McLachlan says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1) Chychrun (after Oilers trade down.)
    2) Demers
    3) Barrie
    4) Chad Johnson
    5) No, at least not this summer
    6) None (Ference to LTIR and Korpikoski traded with salary retained)
    7) Andrew Shaw
    8) No, at least not this summer
    9) 3, Yak to NYI for Hosang
    10) Klef/Davidson/Nurse

  54. kinger_OIL says:

    Woodguy,

    I can totally see them going for Franson, good call!

  55. Professor Q says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": 1) Chychrun (trade down happens and both PLD and Dubois will go on to be perennial all stars while Chychrun will be an okay #3)
    2) Eric Gryba
    3) No one
    4) Brossoit
    5) Not this year
    6) None (unless counting Ference)
    7) Hartnell
    8) No, think they already have been to a degree and that’s that.
    9) 4 trades including: #4 for #7 and #20 after Arizona wins the bidding war. Hartnell +2nd with no salary retained for a 3rd and 5th.
    10) Klef, Griff, Nurse, Davidson

    Are you part of the Eastern media that put Ovechkin as both LW and RW over Hall?

  56. Professor Q says:

    spoiler: I just assumed it was Trouba

    Um…if Chia trades Hall for Trouba he’d better be fired right away.

  57. Woodguy says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Woodguy,

    I can totally see them going for Franson, good call!

    Great minds and all….

    The expansion draft will keep them adding 2 long term Dmen and Franson only has one year left and won’t cost much……i hope.

  58. leadfarmer says:

    kinger_OIL,

    1. Tricky cause the pick will be traded. Chychrun
    2. Demers
    3. Wideman
    4. Brossoit, Le sigh. Is this starting season roster. Cause i think they will trade for a backup halfway through the season
    5. Eberle
    6. Korpse, Ference buy out
    7. Lucic
    8. Howson is screwed
    9. 4 trades before the start of the season. Fayne for Wideman. Yak for 2nd and 4th. Griffen flipped. Lander for a 5th
    10. Klef, Nurse, Davidson

  59. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Professor Q: Are you part of the Eastern media that put Ovechkin as both LW and RW over Hall?

    Were you expecting a gift basket with champagne and roses? I am expecting a tough summer.

    I don’t think Shattenkirk wants to be here. I worry that everyone is putting a lot of eggs in the Demers basket, and I don’t see Chia signing another LHD like Yandle or Goligoski to an expensive contract. I also see Chia smart enough to not trade the 6 million dollar men for the sake of trading them and none of them except maybe Hall+ is going to fetch an under-25 potential top pairing D. So no trade. That said Chia has an itch to scratch as far as trades go so I see him making a draft pick trade that doesn’t work out so well.
    Hartnell is an organizational itch to scratch and adds toughness up front.

  60. Cameron says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1. Tkachuck
    2. Kris Russell
    3. No one
    4. Enroth
    5. Eberle
    6. Korpikoski
    7. No one
    8. No
    9. None
    10. Davidson

  61. Centre of attention says:

    Woodguy: 1) Juolevi
    2) Barrie
    3) Franson
    4) Khudobin
    5) RNH
    6) None
    7) Brower
    8) Howson only
    9) 3, Yak for a 2nd
    10) Nurse, Davidson, Klef

    Agree with everything, but Sergachev is my first rounder, and Nurse will be in the Minors.

    I also don’t know about Franson AND Barrie, two offense first guys. I would rather a more two-way type like Demers. Just my opinion.

  62. Tapdog says:

    spoiler: I just assumed it was Trouba

    OMG there better be something else in that deal then.

  63. BrazilianOil says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1) Tkatchuk
    2) Vatanen
    3) Demers
    4) Khudobin
    5) None
    6) Ference ( or LTRI)
    7) Bozak
    8) No
    9) 3, Pou for Vatanen, Yak for something and Bozak for something
    10 Klef, Davidson, Nurse

  64. Professor Q says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Were you expecting a gift basket with champagne and roses? I am expecting a tough summer.

    I don’t think Shattenkirk wants to be here. I worry that everyone is putting a lot of eggs in the Demers basket, and I don’t see Chia signing another LHD like Yandle or Goligoski to an expensive contract. I also see Chia smart enough to not trade the 6 million dollar men for the sake of trading them and none of them except maybe Hall+ is going to fetch an under-25 potential top pairing D. Sono trade. That said Chia has an itch to scratch as far as trades go so I see him making a draft pick trade that doesn’t work out so well.
    Hartnell is an organizational itch to scratch and adds toughness up front.

    You said both PLD and Dubois. 😉

  65. Snowman says:

    1) Sergachev
    2) Faulk
    3) Demers
    4) Khudobin
    5) Nuge
    6) None
    7) Shaw
    8) No
    9) 4 – Nuge for Faulk
    10) Klef, Davidson,

  66. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Professor Q: You said both PLD and Dubois.

    Ahhhhh haha. Damn. Good catch. I am back from the cool Pacific Northwest and in Boiling Cauldron Arizona. Expected Saturday high is 115F. What the fuck is that! I can’t even imagine. Brain must be wilting at the thought.

  67. Loyal2theoil says:

    Told "very unlikely" BOS gets EDM 2nd-rounder for Peter Chiarelli, meaning the Bruins would get the Oilers' second-rounder in 2017…— Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) June 1, 2016

    less likely for a bigger offer sheet / no offer sheet at all?

  68. Woodguy says:

    Centre of attention: Agree with everything, but Sergachev is my first rounder, and Nurse will be in the Minors.

    I also don’t know about Franson AND Barrie, two offense first guys. I would rather a more two-way type like Demers. Just my opinion.

    The question wasn’t “what would we do” , it was “what do you think will happen”

    I would do things much differently than what I think will happen.

  69. jonrmcleod says:

    In Friedman’s latest “30 Thoughts,” he says Tkachuk’s value is rising, and there might now be a Big Four.

    Here’s the money quote:

    “What it also does is drive up the value of those Columbus and Edmonton draft slots. The Oilers would particularly benefit, since there no longer seems much of a drop-off (if any at all) at four.”

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-matthew-tkachuks-draft-stock-gaining-momentum/

  70. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Loyal2theoil: less likelyfor a bigger offer sheet /no offer sheet at all?

    Far less likely now, yes, because 1st, 2nd, 3rd was likely the payment range for any worthwhile offer sheet. Goes back to what I was saying a few weeks ago. Unless Chia gives them the 2nd this year, very unlikely.

    The one exception is if he acquires another 2nd to give Boston instead. That’s why in Kinger’s challenge I had a fun idea to acquire Hartnell (cap dump) +2nd for 3rd and 5th. Offer this 2nd to Boston this year and keep the offer sheet tool available this year. Let’s get creative, Peter.

  71. speeds says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker",

    Wasn’t there an NHLPA driven rule change hinted at/ announced? about a week ago, that allows EDM to use their 2017 2nd in an OS and give BOS their 2018 2nd if they do so? Don’t have a link handy, anyone have that?

  72. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    speeds:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Wasn’t there an NHLPA driven rule change hinted at/ announced? about a week ago, that allows EDM to use their 2017 2nd in an OS and give BOS their 2018 2nd if they do so?Don’t have a link handy, anyone have that?

    There was a rule change last week? I didn’t hear of one, but that certainly doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Otherwise Edmonton has until next year 2017 to deliver the stupid compensation..Man does Boston annoy me.

  73. Centre of attention says:

    Woodguy: The question wasn’t “what would we do” , it was “what do you think will happen”

    I would do things much differently than what I think will happen.

    Touche’

  74. Drew says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    </blockquote
    i am in, will post a little later. Re the ants, could be a hygiene thing? 🙂

  75. RexLibris says:

    speeds:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Wasn’t there an NHLPA driven rule change hinted at/ announced? about a week ago, that allows EDM to use their 2017 2nd in an OS and give BOS their 2018 2nd if they do so?Don’t have a link handy, anyone have that?

    Matt Henderson mentioned it in his “Offer sheet Seth Jones” article on Hockeybuzz yesterday.

    I believe the reasoning he cited was that it prevents the movement of players.

    Too bad the PA can’t grieve it on the basis of rank stupidity, but then if that were the case we’d be throwing most of the NHL’s constitution out the window.

  76. wheatnoil says:

    ****** SPAM *****

    On the subject of Schultz, I wrote a long piece on him that is going up in two parts on The Oilers Rig today.

    Part 1 is here… http://www.theoilersrig.com/2016/06/14642/

    Part 2 should go up in a couple hours.

    ***** END SPAM *****

  77. npanciroli says:

    1) Sergachev
    2) Barrie
    3) Pysyk
    4) Johnson
    5) No
    6) Ference
    7) No one
    8) No
    9) 2. #4 Reinhart for Barrie #10
    10) Klefbom, Davidson, Nurse

  78. thurmtim says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    Steak knives… Lol. Reminds of another contest I heard about. First prize was a week in Calgary… Second prize was two weeks.

  79. RexLibris says:

    jonrmcleod:
    In Friedman’s latest “30 Thoughts,” he says Tkachuk’s value is rising, and there might now be a Big Four.

    Here’s the money quote:

    “What it also does is drive up the value of those Columbus and Edmonton draft slots. The Oilers would particularly benefit, since there no longer seems much of a drop-off (if any at all) at four.”

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-matthew-tkachuks-draft-stock-gaining-momentum/

    The Flames could fall bass ackwards into Tkachuk if the Oilers stick with Dubois and the Canucks go full-Benning on their pick. Burke might reach peak-Burke if that were to happen.

  80. kinger_OIL says:

    thurmtim: Steak knives… Lol.Reminds of another contest I heard about. First prize was a week in Calgary…Second prize was two weeks.

    – I’m going to use that!

  81. Loyal2theoil says:

    As for Calgary, the Flames interviewed Ralph Krueger at the Worlds. I think GM Brad Treliving is paring down his list.

    number 21 on Friedmans 30 thoughts..

    hopefully it wasnt over skype 😉

  82. Andy Dufresne says:

    Think small and you wont be disappointed!

    1) Tkachuk (Chia type)
    2) Demers ( TMac connection)
    3) Cody Franson ( Denis Wideman would be the contingency ( in bad contract swap) if all else fails but can only pick one so Cody) Looking for an in offenisve PP type RHD who wont cost much in terms of assets, with only one year of term left on contract. Wont need to be protected in EXP draft
    4) Kari Ramo (wont need to protected in EXP draft)
    5) No
    6)Lander (Ference LTIR)
    7)Andrew Shaw (Chia type)
    8)Yes
    9) 4 (Yak for Franson)
    10) Klefbom Davidson Nurse

  83. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    12. Here’s another question I posed to Nill. Is there any chance he re-signs Jordie Benn, but lets Jason Demers, Alex Goligoski and Kris Russell walk? That makes Stephen Johns, Julius Honka and John Klingberg his right-side defenders; some combination of Benn, Esa Lindell, Patrik Nemeth, Johnny Oduya and Jamie Oleksiak on the left.

    “I can see what you’re thinking there, and it’s possible,” he replied. “But there’s a fine line between development and playing to win. We’re going to sit down over the next two weeks as a group and discuss this. We had a great season, but we’re still in our infancy. We’re going to get younger, yet. Bigger and faster. I’d like to bring back one of them, but if we can’t find a way to make it work, that could happen.”

    Nill wouldn’t comment, but the suspicion is Goligoski is the target. We’ll see.

  84. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Good lord. You survived laundry day. Wake us up when we get to Zihuatanejo.

  85. Магия 10 says:

    Professor Q: Um…if Chia trades Hall for Trouba he’d better be fired right away.

    That’s just asking for Trouba’ 😉

  86. Truth says:

    kinger_OIL:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    1) Tkachuk
    2) Demers
    3) Pysyk
    4) Brossoit
    5) No
    6) None
    7) Brouwer
    8) No
    9) 2 (not including draft picks for draft picks)
    10) Nurse and Davidson. Reinhart in OKC, Klefbom on IR

  87. Bruce McCurdy says:

    RexLibris: Matt Henderson mentioned it in his “Offer sheet Seth Jones” article on Hockeybuzz yesterday.

    I believe the reasoning he cited was that it prevents the movement of players.

    Too bad the PA can’t grieve it on the basis of rank stupidity, but then if that were the case we’d be throwing most of the NHL’s constitution out the window.

    Preferably a 50th-storey window.

    As for the offer sheet exception, first I heard of it was right in this comments section, PJO brought it up as the very first comment of a post maybe a week ago? It had links to what seemed a legit source.

  88. theWaxCollector says:

    kinger_OIL,

    1. Charlie McAvoy
    2. Cody Ceci
    3. Tyson Barrie
    4. LB
    5. No
    6. Korps & Pak
    7. Brouwer
    8. No
    9. 4
    10. Davidson & Klefbom

  89. rickithebear says:

    13-14 to 15-16 seasons combined
    minimum 1200min EVTOI
    hsca/60 rank of 217 D and EVP/60 rank
    Brodin 1st comp #15 9.04 – #204 0.43
    K. Miller 2nd comp #16 9.05 – #105 0.68
    Vatanen 3rd comp #27 9.39 – #22 0.97
    B. Campbell UFA 3rd comp #30 9.43 – #100 0.69
    Liles UFA 2nd comp #40 9.66 – #83 0.73
    Severson 2nd comp #45 9.72 – #100 0.69
    Schlemko 3rd comp #47 9.75 – #207 0.41
    Bartley 6’0″ 215lb UFA 3rd comp # 47 9.75 – #59 0.80
    Fayne 1st comp #60 10.02 – #207 0.41
    Demers UFA 3rd comp #75 10.35 – #24 0.94
    Gilbert UFA 3rd comp #76 10.36 – #117 0.66
    Bellemore UFA 1st comp #78 10.37 – #148 0.60
    Klien 2nd comp #102 10.67 – #35 0.90
    Subban 1st comp #123 10.96 – #9 1.14
    Murphy 3rd comp ARZ #134 11.10 – #155 0.59
    OEL 1st comp #141 11.16 – #45 0.87
    Hamhuis UFA XXX comp #148 11.20 – #77 0.74
    Seabrook 2nd comp #152 11.29
    Trouba #152 11.29 – #70 0.76
    Burns 1st comp #157 11.38 – #1 1.56
    Gryba 3rd comp #165 11.51 – #139 0.62
    Hamonic 1st comp #174 11.74 – #62 0.78
    Goligoski 1st comp #178 11.85 – #14 1.05
    Yandle 3rd comp #189 12.09 – #39 0.89
    Sekera 1st comp #194 12.25 – #83 0.73
    Faulk 1st comp #195 12.34 – #39 0.89
    Barrie 3rd comp #202 12.66 – #6 1.17
    Schultz 2nd comp #212 13.18 – #69 0.77
    M. Rielly 2nd comp #213 13.35 – #62 0.78
    Nurse 2nd comp #217 14.06 – #216 0.30

    PS: suggesting Faulk as a Dman.
    A number 7 D for Def performance.
    you might as well play RNH a D better passes, puck transition and Box protection.
    Skating the F……… puck up is too slow for the speed of the new game.
    watch all of Nurses sorties up the ice.
    -poor transition
    – minimal penetration of HSCA. see EVP/60 rank 2nd last
    – Exposes our HSCA for easy penetration and resulting High HSCA/60 yield. Last in league.
    see many Offensive D for HSCA exposure!

    Do not care how a d looks skating wise.

    Just:
    1. Transition it to the forwards as fast as you can!
    2. protect the front of the net. I do not care how you are there just F……… be there!
    that is were the game is lost !
    On the Defensive side of protecting the net!

  90. kinger_OIL says:

    Truth,

    – I have no Klef (IR) on mine as well! Another poster said part of this is contingent on no injuries in pre-season. True but that is part of the thought exercise!

    – And yes, for trades: I’m talking about a trade where at least one player is involved (so the Yak for 2nd counts, but trading down to accumulate more draft picks doesn’t)

  91. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: As for the offer sheet exception, first I heard of it was right in this comments section, PJO brought it up as the very first comment of a post maybe a week ago? It had links to what seemed a legit source.

    Found it here

  92. kinger_OIL says:

    rickithebear,

    – So Ricki: you can enter the Pool, but you answer: what would Ricki do, vs what will the Oil do

  93. Bruce McCurdy says:

    BTW, as I understand it the Oilers can’t force an alternate second-rounder on Boston, nor do they necessarily need to. They just have to find an alternative that’s mutually agreeable to both teams. This is what they did last year when offering the Sharks a late third (#86, obtained from STL) to settle the McLellan comp. The Blues took it because it was a third-rounder in hand vs. one in the bush 1 or even 2 years in future. (And doesn’t it give you a warm feeling that NHL rewards bottom-feeders trying to improve themselves by forcing them to cede draft picks to Stanley Cup finallists for discarded executives? In a league office that is predisposed to making my blood boil on any number of topics, this is one of the single most outrageously wrong-headed screw jobs ever; it enrages me just to think about it.)

    But trading up from #62 to #60 doesn’t offer a tidy solution or indeed any solution. Unless they agree otherwise, Edmonton “owes” Boston its own #2 pick from one of the 2015-17 drafts for hiring the guy the Bruins shitcanned and taking his salary off their hands.

    Perhaps Chia can convince Boston to take this year’s #62 (or is it #63 now with the Connor Bleackley news?) which is just outside the second round. Hell, it’s almost as good as the #60 the B’s will get from the Oilers in 2017, right?

  94. mustang says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1…From the London Knights #7
    2…Hamonic
    3…Barrie
    4…Johnson
    5…RNH
    6…Korpe
    7…F Nielsen
    8…Howson gone
    9…Reinhardt+/Barrie…RNH/Hamonic+ 3 total trades
    10.Klef,Davidson

  95. godot10 says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1) Taylor Raddysh
    2) Jacob Trouba
    3) Sami Vatanen
    4) Michael Hutchinson
    5) No Austin’s traded.
    6) Nobody bought out or demoted
    7) Vladimir Sobotka
    8) Howson
    9) Minimum 4 trades.
    Pouliot and a 3rd round pick for Vatanen (One million retained on Pouliot).
    Yakupov to New Jersey for a 2nd round.
    Sobotka for a 2nd and Lander.
    Reinhart + #4OV for Trouba, a 3rd round pick, and Hutchinson.
    10) Klefbom, Davidson, Nurse.

  96. russ99 says:

    My take on the Schultz thing is this:

    Oilers fans need to stop proclaiming specific players as useless.

    In the right situation, under the right coaching and with the right utilization, there’s no such thing as useless.

    Too much black-and-white, and not enough grey areas when it comes to our players…

  97. Lowetide says:

    I wrote about the compensation item at on re aid Lavoisier had it wail s ago on his hlog

  98. Lowetide says:

    Renault Lavois

  99. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide:
    I wrote about the compensation item at on re aid Lavoisier had it wail s ago on his hlog

    I’m gonna run this through Google Translate & see if it can identify the source language

  100. J-Bo says:

    The thought process of this defense is rather comforting…

    Goligoski – Hamonic
    Klefbom – Demers
    Davidson – Vatenan

    2 free agents, Hamonic for Sekera plus, and Vatenan for some combination of picks, Pouliot, and Yakupov.

    Still leaves us with Nurse and Reinhart in Bakersfield next year.

    This is definitely pie in the sky stuff, but it does seem possible…

  101. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    I mentioned it in my Kinger pool breakdown, but I’m afraid a mind like Howson looks at the Columbus Cap Hell situation and says “perfect opportunity to acquire Jack Johnson for pennies on the dollar”.

    He’s like a clean shaven Brent Burns, minus the presumably likable parents***

    *** not my actual opinion.

  102. Bruce McCurdy says:

    J-Bo:
    The thought process of this defense is rather comforting…

    Goligoski – Hamonic
    Klefbom – Demers
    Davidson – Vatenan

    2 free agents, Hamonic for Sekera plus, and Vatenan for some combination of picks, Pouliot, and Yakupov.

    Still leaves us with Nurse and Reinhart in Bakersfield next year.

    This is definitely pie in the sky stuff, but it does seem possible…

    Possible to get the top four available d-men? (more or less) Without touching any of the Old or New Cores?

    I’ll have some of what you’re having, please.

  103. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    BTW, as I understand it the Oilers can’t force an alternate second-rounder on Boston, nor do they necessarily need to. They just have to find an alternative that’s mutually agreeable to both teams. This is what they did last year when offering the Sharks a late third (#86, obtained from STL) to settle the McLellan comp. The Blues took it because it was a third-rounder in hand vs. one in the bush 1 or even 2 years in future. (And doesn’t it give you a warm feeling that NHL rewards bottom-feeders trying to improve themselves by forcing them to cede draft picks to Stanley Cup finallists for discarded executives? In a league office that is predisposed to making my blood boil on any number of topics, this is one of the single most outrageously wrong-headed screw jobs ever; it enrages me just to think about it.)

    But trading up from #62 to #60 doesn’t offer a tidy solution or indeed any solution. Unless they agree otherwise, Edmonton “owes” Boston its own #2 pick from one of the 2015-17 drafts for hiring the guy the Bruins shitcanned and taking his salary off their hands.

    Perhaps Chia can convince Boston to take this year’s #62 (or is it #63 now with the Connor Bleackley news?) which is just outside the second round. Hell, it’s almost as good as the #60 the B’s will get from the Oilers in 2017, right?

    Yes, but as I wrote a while back as well and you allude, why would Boston take less than they are owed? They won’t. But say Edmonton gets another early 2nd this year They could offer that to Boston (as opposed to what might be #40 next year and see if they bite.

    Hence my solution: get Hartnell +2nd from CBJ.

    Offer that 2nd to Boston, keep 32. Have all 2017 picks available for offer sheets.

    And I, too, hate this damn rule. it’s not fair. I get it for compensating teams for hiring away their young talent. For example, hiring Todd McLellan away from Detroit back in the day or Nill from Detroit, etc. It wasn’t intended for fired guys like TMac in SJS or Chia in Boston. Ruins the spirit of fairness.

  104. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I’m gonna run this through Google Translate & see if it can identify the source language

    Set the translator to:

    oldmandaydrinkingonvacationese

  105. BONVIE says:

    1) Chyckrun
    2) Tyler Myers
    3) McNabb
    4) Enroth
    5) Baby Nuge
    6) Korpikoski
    7) Veteran(two way center) Backes mold
    8) MacT was best as a coach demanded work ethic, not so much as a manager
    9) (4)Big trade with Wpg Myers for Nugent with lesser players and draft picks involved, Yakapov for hopefully someting quasi useful I would be doing backflips if we used him along with a prospect or draft pick to get a McNabb, Ceci, Severson, or Pysyk quality of player, trade Letetsu for a 4th line center who brings his work boots, Khaira starts on wing,
    10)Griff/Davidson//Klef: Nurse in the Minors and First Call up Osterle also in minors

  106. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    J-Bo,

    See my Friedman link above? Dallas is going to sign Goligoski and let Demers walk.
    You aren’t getting both.

  107. godot10 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Offer that 2nd to Boston, keep 32. Have all 2017 picks available for offer sheets.

    Because of the successful NHLPA grievance, the OIlers are not limited in offer sheets because of a lack of a 2nd next year. The 2nd round compensation for any offer sheet requiring a 2nd can be deferred to 2018.

    As for Boston, at the beginning of the 3rd round, I offer #62 (it might be #63 now) and see if they take the bird in the hand instead of waiting for the one in the bush.

  108. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: Set the translator to:

    oldmandaydrinkingonvacationese

    Hahaha, you may have hit upon the solution. I tried fuckingautocorrectturningsenseintogibberish but that didn’t seem to be the one.

  109. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    P.S. I don’t want Hartnell.

    Not advocating for getting him.

    But Lucic isn’t coming here. Backes probably not, either. Chia wants bigger and tougher guys with some skill.

    Hartnell has been a long time target for Edmonton and we tend to get them eventually, even if past their prime.

    CBJ needs to move salary.

    Pouliot may be moving out.

    Edmonton could use another 2nd rounder to give to Boston to keep the offer sheet avenue open.

    Hence something like Hartnell +2nd for 3rd +5th. CBJ gets salary relief. Edmonton gets a 2nd to give Boston and Hartnell

  110. russ99 says:

    Sekera is not getting traded.

    http://www.generalfanager.com/players/1005

    NMC in 2015-16 to 2018-19, Modified NTC in 2019-20 and 2020-21 (player submits 15-team list)

  111. Bruce McCurdy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Yes, but as I wrote a while back as well and you allude, why would Boston take less than they are owed? They won’t.

    Hence my solution: get Hartnell +2nd from CBJ.

    For the same reason that San Jose took “less” than they were “owed”.

    I don’t usually wish ill will on draft picks, but that one heading to Boston can be thrown screaming from a helicopter AFAIC. (**to borrow an old George Carlin reference)

  112. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    godot10: Because of the successful NHLPA grievance, the OIlers are not limited in offer sheets because of a lack of a 2nd next year.The 2nd round compensation for any offer sheet requiring a 2nd can be deferred to 2018.

    As for Boston, at the beginning of the 3rd round, I offer #62 (it might be #63 now) and see if they take the bird in the hand instead of waiting for the one in the bush.

    Cool, thanks. I am working off of old information, clearly. I constantly travel so this site is where I get my hockey fix. I must have missed that memo.

  113. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Bruce McCurdy: For the same reason that San Jose took “less” than they were “owed”.

    I don’t usually wish ill will on draft picks, but that one can be thrown screaming from a helicopter AFAIC. (**to borrow an old George Carlin reference)

    I feel like with San Jose it was at least more amicable. They took less than they were owed. After the Hamilton fiasco and Boston media skewering Chia after he left with sources from inside the organization, I don’t see Boston doing the Oilers any favours at all. Do you?

  114. Bruce McCurdy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Check out the link I found for you a few comments ago.

  115. BONVIE says:

    For those of you suggesting Franson as an option, seriously have you seen him skate in Buffalo? He reminds me of a Gord Mark, or the time when the Oilers picked up a Jarod Smithson, I remember thinking holy cow this is way worse than I could have ever imagined.

    Those of you suggesting Keith Yandle, you realize we dont even have the veterans to protect our young rookies breaking in to the NHL like the two potential studs Nurse and Reinhart let alone having to Shelter an aging Yandle who is/will be over paid.

  116. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Was just reading it as you and Godot pointed out. Thank you. Interesting.

    So it’s now either 2016 2nd, 2017 2nd, 2018 2nd.

    We know Edmonton won’t give 32 this year according to Friedman. If they make an offer sheet requiring the 2nd then it’s a 2018 2nd. Interesting.

    I still wonder if the reported asking price of two 2nds for Yakupov was partly due to thinking they’d give one to Boston?

    It still wouldn’t completely surprise me to see the Oilers obtain another 2nd this year anyway to give that to Boston to make them go away.

  117. godot10 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    Was just reading it as you and Godot pointed out. Thank you. Interesting.

    So it’s now either 2016 2nd, 2017 2nd, 2018 2nd.

    We know Edmonton won’t give 32 this year according to Friedman. If they make an offer sheet requiring the 2nd then it’s a 2018 2nd. Interesting.

    I still wonder if the reported asking price of two 2nds for Yakupov was partly due to thinking they’d give one to Boston?

    It still wouldn’t completely surprise me to see the Oilers obtain another 2nd this year anyway to give that to Boston to make them go away.

    No. Boston gets the 2016 or the 2017 2nd round pick, unless they settle for something else.

    The team being offer sheeted for a free agent would have to wait the extra year till 2018 for the 2nd round pick.

  118. Walter Sobchak says:

    Re – Spector.

    I think Poile dropped RNH name to Spector to get CBJ to bite, that’s my opinion of that. Like LT mentions you don’t here much after that came out.

  119. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    godot10: No.Boston gets the 2016 or the 2017 2nd round pick, unless they settle for something else.

    The team being offer sheeted for a free agent would have to wait the extra year till2018for the 2nd round pick.

    Got it. Brain is not working properly today. Thanks for the patience.

  120. Woodguy says:

    BONVIE:
    For those of you suggesting Franson as an option, seriously have you seen him skate in Buffalo? He reminds me of a Gord Mark, or the time when the Oilers picked up a Jarod Smithson, I remember thinking holy cow this is way worse than I could have ever imagined.

    Those of you suggesting Keith Yandle, you realize we dont even have the veterans to protect our young rookies breaking in to the NHL like the two potential studs Nurse and Reinhart let alone having to Shelter an aging Yandle who is/will be over paid.

    Again, Kinger-Oil wasn’t soliciting opinions, but guesses as to what will happen.

    The are two very different things.

  121. stephen sheps says:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? Charlie McAvoy
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster. Tyson Barrie
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire – No one
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year – Chad Johnson
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s)). No, not this offseason, although a roster shakeup will happen before the 2017 draft.
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season – It pains me to write this, but Anton Lander will be farmed. I hope and pray that Korpse goes with him but he won’t.
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season – Loui Eriksson
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”? Yes, but only Howson will be removed. MacT is a good scout and is perceived to be worth keeping around to learn on the job from a better and more experienced GM. He hasn’t used all 9 of his lives just yet.
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one). 3. #40 & Barrie will be acquired for the #4; Loui Eriksson’s negotiating rights will be acquired, and I think Yak goes for those rights. Not sure about the 3rd trade but it might involve Pou and 40 in order to trade back into rd. 1 for McAvoy and I will be cranky about it.
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game. Klef & Davidson. Griff is 7D after a phenomenal camp, Nurse is 1LD in California.

    Edit: with these trades, my projected opening night lineup is the following (and not giving an expletive of your choice about the cap space this lineup will require in future seasons – see my response to Q. 5).

    4/93/29
    Eriksson/97/14
    42 (sleppy)/Andrew Shaw/44
    23/55/28

    Extras: 54, 26

    77/Barrie
    2/5
    88/62

    Extra: 8

    33
    C. Johnson

  122. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    I am amazed at all the people still suggesting #4 + something (eg. Reinhart) gets you Barrie and #10. Not addressed to anyone in particular, but that + going with #4 has to be massive for Colorado to give up 10.

    #4 for Barrie and #40 is probably close in value.

    Adding for example, Reinhart, doesn’t get you close to upgrading #40 to #10, in my opinion.

  123. bendelson says:

    kinger_OIL,

    1. DeBrincat (2nd Rd)
    2. Barrie
    3. Pysyk
    4. Enroth
    5. Nope.
    6. Ference will come to an arrangement with the Oilers.
    7. Eller
    8. Nope.
    9. 4: #4 for Barrie + pick, Yak for Eller + pick, Picks for Pysyk, Korpse for any pick offered.
    10. Klef, Nurse, Davidson

  124. Drew says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1) Brown (trade down to 7)
    2) Demers
    3) McIlrath trade with Rangers for Nail
    4) Enroth
    5) No
    6) Korpse (wishful thinking)
    7) Bozak
    8) MacT will get position with another NHL, Howsen becomes GM USJHL
    9) 4 see 3)
    10) Davidson and Klef

    defence sees:
    Klef – Demers
    Sekera – Fayne
    Davidson – Mcllrath

    not a great defense but getting better. i seem to remember WG??? writing that Mcllrath numbers actually jumped up last year going from bad to reasonable3rd pair.

  125. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Hamilton last year and Barrie this year are probably worth close to the same. Your mileage may vary. Both right-handed, offensive D reportedly asking too much money of the teams they belong to as RFAs.

    Hamilton has age and size in his favour, Barrie a better track record of putting up points.

    Hamilton was almost traded straight up for #3 overall (Strome) before Arizona decided they wouldn’t get another chance at a 1C so they opted for Strome.

    Hamilton still fetched a mid-1st in a strong draft, plus two more pieces without this being the best deal they could have gotten.

    Fair value for Barrie, therefore, is likely #6~7 overall. Since Edmonton is up at #4, there should be another piece coming back from Colorado (#40) to make up the difference.

    Young RHD who put up points are at a premium these days. It’s a supply and demand factor. Not realistic to expect a pick swap because Barrie is worth way more than Reinhart is.

  126. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    bendelson:
    kinger_OIL,

    1.DeBrincat (2nd Rd)
    2.Barrie
    3.Pysyk
    4.Enroth
    5.Nope.
    6.Ference will come to an arrangement with the Oilers.
    7.Eller
    8.Nope.
    9.4:#4 for Barrie + pick,Yak for Eller + pick,Picks for Pysyk, Korpse for any pick offered.
    10. Klef, Nurse, Davidson

    9. – If we get Barrie, I think that’s what the deal will look like.

  127. Centre of attention says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Hamilton last year and Barrie this year are probably worth close to the same. Your mileage may vary. Both right-handed, offensive D reportedly asking too much money of the teams they belong to as RFAs.

    Hamilton has age and size in his favour, Barrie a better track record of putting up points.

    Hamilton was almost traded straight up for #3 overall (Strome) before Arizona decided they wouldn’t get another chance at a 1C so they opted for Strome.

    Hamilton still fetched a mid-1st in a strong draft, plus two more pieces without this being the best deal they could have gotten.

    Fair value for Barrie, therefore, is likely #6~7 overall. Since Edmonton is up at #4, there should be another piece coming back from Colorado (#40) to make up the difference.

    Young RHD who put up points are at a premium these days. It’s a supply and demand factor. Not realistic to expect a pick swap because Barrie is worth way more than Reinhart is.

    Nailed it.

  128. kinger_OIL says:

    Woodguy: Again, Kinger-Oil wasn’t soliciting opinions, but guesses as to what will happen.

    The are two very different things.

    – Exactly. If it is was what we would like to happen it would be, or what we’d do if GM: it would be:
    1. Trade-up for Laine
    2. OEL
    3. Barrie (and Chara)
    4. The next Billy Ranford
    5. No frigging way
    6. Ference gets traded for a pick, Nikitin gets waived, even though he’s gone, just to spite him
    7. Lucic
    8. MacT gets a radio tak-show gig as LT’s associate. Howson sent to Calgary, for 2 weeks
    9. Lots, and we win them all big, like Reinhard + for Barrie
    10. Klef, Nurse, Davidson and they dominate

  129. stephen sheps says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    I am amazed at all the people still suggesting #4 + something (eg. Reinhart) gets you Barrie and #10. Not addressed to anyone in particular, but that + going with #4 has to be massive for Colorado to give up 10.

    #4 for Barrie and #40 is probably close in value.

    Adding for example, Reinhart, doesn’t get you close to upgrading #40 to #10, in my opinion.

    Indeed you’re probably right. I modified my responses slightly after reading your posts. 4 for Barrie & 40 seems pretty reasonable.

    It should be noted of course that other than Woodguy, none of us are proven trades and acquisitions oracles and Kinger’s fantastic contest is all in good fun.

    It should also be noted that what I suggested above isn’t what I would do if I were in charge, other than trying to get Loui Eriksson – he’s the Pisani, albeit a better paid and more skilled version of the Pisani.

  130. Drew says:

    stephen sheps: Indeed you’re probably right. I modified my responses slightly after reading your posts. 4 + Barrie & 40 seems pretty reasonable.

    It should be noted of course that other than Woodguy, none of us are proven trades and acquisitions oracles and Kinger’s fantastic contest is all in good fun.

    It should also be noted that what I suggested above isn’t what I would do if I were in charge, other than trying to get Loui Eriksson – he’s the Pisani, albeit a better paid and more skilled version of the Pisani.

    uhmmmmm…

    there are no, “more skilled versions” of the Pisani. healthier yes. 🙂

  131. rogue says:

    1-Laine
    2-Demers
    3-Severson
    4-Enroth
    5-Eberle
    6-Ference, Korpse, Nikitin
    7-Lucic
    8-Yes. Please, yes.
    9-4. Eberle and#4 for Laine and Trouba.
    10-Klef, Davidson,Griffen

  132. blackadder says:

    1) Jost – after trading down to Carolina’s 13th pick
    2) Faulk
    3) Severson
    4) Chad Johnson
    5) RNH – although he’d be my last choice to go, centers are harder to come by and more valued
    6) Fayne
    7) Louis Eriksson
    8) MacTavish will go – won’t want to stick around as a glorified scout
    9) Trades with Carolina (4th pick, 32nd pick and RNH for 13th, 24th pick and Faulk), New Jersey (Severson for Yakupov and defence prospect like Simpson or Musil). Likely a couple of 3rd/4th line players from cap strapped teams.
    10) Klefbom and Davidson

  133. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    stephen sheps: Indeed you’re probably right. I modified my responses slightly after reading your posts. 4 for Barrie & 40 seems pretty reasonable.

    It should be noted of course that other than Woodguy, none of us are proven trades and acquisitions oracles and Kinger’s fantastic contest is all in good fun.

    It should also be noted that what I suggested above isn’t what I would do if I were in charge, other than trying to get Loui Eriksson – he’s the Pisani, albeit a better paid and more skilled version of the Pisani.

    Yup, yup. I hear you. Like I said, I wasn’t directing my comment at you specifically, and I know Kinger’s exercise is about what we think may happen, not what we want. If you look at my list it’s the ultimate pessimistic list.

  134. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    rogue:

    9-4. Eberle and#4 for Laine and Trouba.

    As Bruce said earlier, “What are you smoking and where can I get some?” And I mean that with respect, sir. I welcome your contribution. This suggestion just stood out for me. Trouba > Eberle and #2 > #4 so how is Chia going to pull that one off?

  135. Snowman says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I don’t think Trouba is anywhere near as good as Eberle. He’s had two shaky seasons in a row now.

    Almost no chance that deal would get done but I don’t think its as far apart as you seem to.

    Eberle > Trouba without question.

  136. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Snowman:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I don’t think Trouba is anywhere near as good as Eberle. He’s had two shaky seasons in a row now.

    Almost no chance that deal would get done but I don’t think its as far apart as you seem to.

    Eberle > Trouba without question.

    While I agree that Trouba has not been as good, I don’t think you will find anyone outside Oiler fandom who thinks Eberle is worth more than Trouba. Respectfully disagree with your opinion that Eberle > Trouba without question. I think it’s the other way around in terms of value.

  137. Professor Q says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: As Bruce said earlier, “What are you smoking and where can I get some?” And I mean that with respect, sir. I welcome your contribution. This suggestion just stood out for me. Trouba > Eberle and #2 > #4 so how is Chia going to pull that one off?

    How the heck is Troubadour > Eberle?

  138. LoDog says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: As Bruce said earlier, “What are you smoking and where can I get some?” And I mean that with respect, sir. I welcome your contribution. This suggestion just stood out for me. Trouba > Eberle and #2 > #4 so how is Chia going to pull that one off?

    Trouba not showing much the last couple years and wants big bucks. IMO Eberle > Trouba.

  139. Drew says:

    Professor Q: How the heck is Troubadour > Eberle?

    i think that Trouba likely has more value than Eberle right now. The Oilers stink has tainted the pool so to speak. Where Eberle is, as a scoring forward, is farther along than what Trouba has accomplished and should be valued more, but i do not feel that is the case.

  140. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Professor Q,

    LoDog,

    I am talking about trade value, not current ability. Eberle has shown more in this league, but his position (scoring winger) is undervalued around the league while right-handed potential top pairing young D are totally overvalued.

    You aren’t going to get Trouba for Eberle straight up. I believe that 100%. This is not a commentary on what each player SHOULD be worth, but what I think they are worth around the league.

  141. blainer says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Professor Q,

    LoDog,

    I am talking about trade value, not current ability. Eberle has shown more in this league, but his position (scoring winger) is undervalued around the league while right-handed potential top pairing young D are totally overvalued.

    You aren’t going to get Trouba for Eberle straight up. I believe that 100%. This is not a commentary on what each player SHOULD be worth, but what I think they are worth around the league.

    How about #4 and Reinhart for Trouba and #22.

    Should really be #4 for Trouba and 22 though.. that 4th is really high value. Could see the peg all over that one if Tkachuk gets drafted by Columbus leaving the jets to get both Finns..

  142. Snowman says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Could be but Eberle is among the elite of the elite in production for the last 5 years. Trouba is a decent young second pairing D due for a big raise. If Eberle doesn’t get you a #4 D you’re mismanaging your assets big time.

  143. Primetime says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:

    Fair value for Barrie, therefore, is likely #6~7 overall. Since Edmonton is up at #4, there should be another piece coming back from Colorado (#40) to make up the difference.

    Young RHD who put up points are at a premium these days. It’s a supply and demand factor. Not realistic to expect a pick swap because Barrie is worth way more than Reinhart is.

    Totally agree with you NYC…if this is the case though, I desperately try and convince Arizona to do the #4/32 for #7/20 swap. Edmonton can then trade #7 straight up for Barrie and still have a first rounder.

    Arizona drafts Tkachuk and gets the prospect with the most “buzz” right now, who also happens to be an Arizona boy, and they have 2/3 of the line that just laid waste to the Memorial Cup.

  144. Lowetide says:

    I was trying to tell you folks (but cannot type for the life of me) that Renaud Lavoie had the information May 21 on his blog. I wrote about it at ON

    http://oilersnation.com/2016/5/21/thanks-nhlpa

    And Darcy and Woodguy are OLD TOO! 🙂

  145. Snowman says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Actually on second thought you may be right. haha How’s that for having an opinion…

  146. LoDog says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    While I agree Trouba may be overvalued on the market I think Eberle has more value than most think. Trouba would not be my target at all and I don’t think he is for the Oilers either.

    Going to be an interesting couple months.

  147. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    LoDog:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    While I agree Trouba may be overvalued on the market I think Eberle has more value than most think. Trouba would not be my target at all and I don’t think he is for the Oilers either.

    Going to be an interesting couple months.

    I can agree that he probably shouldn’t be the target. That was never my assertion. My comment was that there is no way Winnipeg touches Eberle and #4 for Trouba and #2.

    And when I said Trouba > Eberle, I thought it was implied from the context we were talking about their trade values on the market at the moment. I apologize if that wasn’t clear.

    I think we look elsewhere as well. I think Trouba is very much overvalued at the moment due to that rookie year still lingering. Remember Tyler Myers? A few years later his value dropped as well, but early on everyone thought he was an untouchable worth the moon because that rookie season was in the back of their minds (toolsy, big, right-handed, young, great skater for size, etc.). I think Trouba is at that stage currently.

  148. Lowetide says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1. Juolevi
    2. Barrie
    3. Filip Berglund
    4. James Reimer
    5. Yes. Nuge
    6. Lander, Korpikoski
    7. Tyler Bozak
    8. Howson will get a gig with Las Vegas
    9. Four. Fayne for Bozak, Nuge for Barrie, No. 4 for No. 7 and No. 37
    10. Nurse, Davidson, Klefbom

  149. stephen sheps says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker",

    Oh I know you weren’t directing anything at me specifically. Just giving you credit for helping me change my mind…

    I almost never get into roster speculation stuff, especially this time of year, but this one seemed to much fun to not get into.

    I’ll have another look at your pessimistic list. I was going more towards balance with a healthy dose of realism and one flight of fancy (Eriksson – he’s not coming here. There’s no way Boston trades P.C. his rights before the negotiation window opens and it’s unlikely that if he does get to free agency that he’ll come to the Western Conference). It was fun to get so specific in my speculations about trades and how players/picks/Mact would be moved around.

  150. stephen sheps says:

    Lowetide: 1. Juolevi
    2. Barrie
    3. Filip Berglund
    4. James Reimer
    5. Yes. Nuge
    6. Lander, Korpikoski
    7. Tyler Bozak
    8. Howson will get a gig with Las Vegas
    9. Four. Fayne for Bozak, Nuge for Barrie, No. 4 for No. 7 and No. 37
    10. Nurse, Davidson, Klefbom

    Well that list is just too darn sensible. And a very real possibility.

  151. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Lowetide,

    Just looked up F. Berglund for the first time. Looks like a player! Think he will still be around at 32?

  152. Younger Oil says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Lowetide,

    Just looked up F. Berglund for the first time. Looks like a player! Think he will still be around at 32?

    He’s ranked #32 of European Skaters by Central scouting, #61 on LT’s most recent list.

    Definitely interested in the player, but he would be a reach at #32.

  153. Truth says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    I think we look elsewhere as well.I think Trouba is very much overvalued at the moment due to that rookie year still lingering. Remember Tyler Myers? A few years later his value dropped as well, but early on everyone thought he was an untouchable worth the moon because that rookie season was in the back of their minds (toolsy, big, right-handed, young, great skater for size, etc.). I think Trouba is at that stage currently.

    I think this exemplifies exactly why he will become and Oiler and get a 7 year contract @ $5.7M/yr. The most painful part will not be the contract, but the fact the Oilers traded RNH to get him.

    In saying that, I’m all for getting Trouba….as long as the cost of acquisition is directly in line with his value based on the previous two seasons, and he signs a reasonable 3-4 year deal. He is a young NHL RD.

  154. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    I was trying to tell you folks (but cannot type for the life of me) that Renaud Lavoie had the information May 21 on his blog. I wrote about it at ON

    http://oilersnation.com/2016/5/21/thanks-nhlpa

    And Darcy and Woodguy are OLD TOO!

    There are two of me now?

    #daydrinking

  155. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: There are two of me now?

    #daydrinking

    Dammit! McCurdy and Woodguy! I have NOT been drinking!!!

  156. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: Dammit! McCurdy and Woodguy! I have NOT been drinking!!!

    ….much 😉

  157. godot10 says:

    Professor Q: How the heck is Troubadour > Eberle?

    Trouba is a young 2nd pairing all-tool RIGHT shot D with decent size and mobility. They are scarce commodities.

    There are a couple of skuff marks on him, as with Larsson 18 months ago. The only time they are available is when they are skuffed up a bit.

    And the only reason he is potentially available is because the Jets have Byfuglien and Myers tied up long term, and have other needs, and Trouba is going to cost a lot of money.

  158. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Younger Oil: He’s ranked #32 of European Skaters by Central scouting, #61 on LT’s most recent list.

    Definitely interested in the player, but he would be a reach at #32.

    Ah I misread. Thought #32 was CSS’s overall list. My bad.
    Looks like a player, although looking for YouTube clips of him results in clips of an EDM DJ. Hall, Ebs, and Nuge are enough trouble around these parts and bad influences on McDavid. Wouldn’t want a Swedish DJ in that locker room making everyone go out and party all night. (Or subjecting them to that music). ha ha.

  159. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Lowetide: Dammit! McCurdy and Woodguy! I have NOT been drinking!!!

    Like me, you apparently voted for Ovechkin to be 1st team RW and 1st team LW.

  160. godot10 says:

    Snowman:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Could be but Eberle is among the elite of the elite in production for the last 5 years. Trouba is a decent young second pairing D due for a big raise. If Eberle doesn’t get you a #4 D you’re mismanaging your assets big time.

    The Jets don’t need Eberle. They have Wheeler and a cost controlled Laine (soon). So Eberle is worth far less to them than other teams.

  161. godot10 says:

    Primetime: Totally agree with you NYC…if this is the case though, I desperately try and convince Arizona to do the #4/32 for #7/20 swap.Edmonton can then trade #7 straight up for Barrie and still have a first rounder.

    Arizona drafts Tkachuk and gets the prospect with the most “buzz” right now, who also happens to be an Arizona boy, and they have 2/3 of the line that just laid waste to the Memorial Cup.

    Arizona just hired an advanced stats guru as GM. At #7OV, they are in the sweet spot for drafting a defensemen. If you look at their depth chart, their greatest need is a defensemen. I will be shocked if they trade up or down.

    They have too many young forwards (and two at left wing) to break in as it is. Domi was fine with Dvorak last year. And add Duclair and Domi.

  162. Ryder says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1. Tkachuk
    2. Vatanen
    3. Schenn
    4. Chris Johnson
    5. No
    6. Lander (buried)
    7. Dustin Brown (as a UFA)
    8. Just Howson
    9. 3, Pouliot + Yak for Vatanen + Prospect
    10. Nurse, Davy, Klef

  163. digger50 says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

    Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

    – Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

    1) Chychrun
    2) Barrie
    3) Demers
    4) Enroth
    5) None
    6) Korpse / Iro P.
    7) Andrew Shaw
    8) No
    9) 5 #4 + G.R for #10 + Barrtie
    Yak plus third for R Strome
    #62 and # 85 for Andrew Shaw
    Fayne for 3rd rounder plus prospect $ retained
    Lander moved for prospect
    Sign Demers and Brower (not a trade as such)
    10) Klefbom / Davidson

  164. Alpine says:

    There’s one other team that needs RHD as much as we do, and are smart enough to offer sheet one and that’s the Leafs. I do hope that if we give up a high pick or Nuge for barrie or Trouba, that neither guy gets targeted. Generally teams don’t do offer sheets out of respect for each other, but the Leafs are smart and you can’t trust Lou.

    I remember that Burns wasn’t OS’d when SJ acquired him, but they gave up only spare parts and a decent prospect for him. Faulk would be perfect as he’s signed already but I can’t believe they’d give him up for anything less than Hall.

  165. Primetime says:

    godot10: Arizona just hired an advanced stats guru as GM.At #7OV, they are in the sweet spot for drafting a defensemen.If you look at their depth chart, their greatest need is a defensemen.I will be shocked if they trade up or down.

    They have too many young forwards (and two at left wing) to break in as it is.Domi was fine with Dvorak last year.And add Duclair and Domi.

    Godot,
    You are probably right…sure they are thin at D, but not really full of top 6 forwards either.

    On Defence they have OEL, Stone, Murphy, Connoughton (waivers). Picked up Tinordi from Montreal (likely future 3rd pairing but still some potential).

    At forward: Duclair plays RW with Domi on LW (Strome at C?). If Dvorak centers Doan (RW), wouldn’t Tkachuk fit in well on LW? They don’t have much more offensive talent coming except for Merkley (RW). Wouldn’t Tkachuk be an ideal replacement for the soon to be retiring Doan? The rest of their talent makes a great mix for 3rd line (Hanzal, Vermette, Reider, Samuelson etc)

    Again, you’re probably right, but not sure that Arizona drafting a Dman is a foregone conclusion.

  166. Alpine says:

    kinger_OIL,

    1) Chychrun
    2) Barrie
    3) Severson
    4) Chad Johnson
    5) Nuge or Ebs
    6) Korpse, Lander
    7) Stempniak
    8) Howson for sure
    9) 3. Trade down for Chychrun, Nuge/Ebs for Barrie, Yak + acquired pick for Severson + lower pick
    10) Klef and Davy

  167. Barcs says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    I am amazed at all the people still suggesting #4 + something (eg. Reinhart) gets you Barrie and #10. Not addressed to anyone in particular, but that + going with #4 has to be massive for Colorado to give up 10.

    #4 for Barrie and #40 is probably close in value.

    Adding for example, Reinhart, doesn’t get you close to upgrading #40 to #10, in my opinion.

    Would the 16th and 33rd overall picks from last year have sufficed to upgrade from #40 to #10 this year?

    I know I need to let it go, but Lordy.

    Last time. (And of course not GR’s fault).

    /grumble

  168. Alpine says:

    Primetime: Godot,
    You are probably right…sure they are thin at D, but not really full of top 6 forwards either.

    On Defence they have OEL, Stone, Murphy, Connoughton (waivers).Picked up Tinordi from Montreal (likely future 3rd pairing but still some potential).

    At forward: Duclair plays RW with Domi on LW (Strome at C?).If Dvorak centers Doan (RW), wouldn’t Tkachuk fit in well on LW?They don’t have much more offensive talent coming except for Merkley (RW).Wouldn’t Tkachuk be an ideal replacement for the soon to be retiring Doan?The rest of their talent makes a great mix for 3rd line (Hanzal, Vermette, Reider, Samuelson etc)

    Again, you’re probably right, but not sure that Arizona drafting a Dman is a foregone conclusion.

    They can always pick a forward at 20 if they keep that pick. Or trade up from there. I think they’d like Tkachuk but I think they’re more than happy to wait for a D to round out their top 4 with OEL, Stone, and Murphy. They need that one LH guy.

  169. BONVIE says:

    Jets +Oilers Myers/Lowry for Nuge/ Reinhart or Nurse/ and lastly Yakapov

  170. Professor Q says:

    Магия 10: That’s just asking for Trouba’

    I’ll allow it.

  171. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Barcs: Would the 16th and 33rd overall picks from last year have sufficed to upgrade from #40 to #10 this year?

    I know I need to let it go, but Lordy.

    Last time. (And of course not GR’s fault).

    /grumble

    This is just more evidence that young D with pedigree are extremely highly valued these days. That’s why I don’t think Trouba–who has shown far more at the NHL level than Reinhart so far, is also right-handed, and has no question marks about his skating, can be had for Eberle.

    Just trying to be realistic.

  172. Gerta Rauss says:

    kinger_OIL,

    1)Tkachuk
    2)Spurgeon
    3)Wisniewski
    4)Enroth
    5)Eberle
    6)Oesterle
    7)Vanek
    8)Howson
    9)3 with the biggest trade of Eberle + salary for Spurgeon + more salary
    10)Klef/Nurse/Davidson

  173. Evilas says:

    kinger_OIL,

    1)Tkachuk
    2)Zach Redmond
    3)Vatanen
    4)Chad Johnson
    5)None
    6)None
    7)Frans Nielsen
    8}No
    9)5, Pouliot (salary retained for Vatanen and a 4th)
    10)Klef & Davidson

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