HAVE YOU HEARD THE LATEST? (PROBABLY NOT)

A funny thing happened on the way to logic and reason. Or, that may be how things go this month for the Edmonton Oilers. Armed with a terrific forward group but lacking in righty D, adding two RHD would seem to be the busy work of summer.

A few things to discuss this afternoon, let’s start with a quick reminder about what might be available (ranking is mine) and what is needed:

CHIARELLI’S AVAILABLE LIST

  1. Benoit Pouliot
  2. Mark Fayne
  3. Nail Yakupov
  4. No. 4 overall selection
  5. Young LHD (Darnell Nurse, Griffin Reinhart, Brandon Davidson)
  6. Cap space
  7. 2017 1st round selection
  8. Jordan Eberle
  9. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  10. Leon Draisaitl
  11. Taylor Hall

CHIARELLI’S NEEDS LIST

  1. Top-pairing D to partner with Klefbom (Jason Demers, Justin Faulk)
  2. Second-pairing RHD to partner with Sekera (Tyson Barrie/Sami Vatanen)
  3. Acquire RHC with some skill (Small group available. Andrew Shaw? Tommy Wingels? Tyler Bozak?)
  4. Backup goalie (Jhonas Enroth, James Reimer)
  5. Offload unwanted contract (Lauri Korpikoski)

Based on some of the items out there today, we might want to add some more significant names, like P.K. Subban and Hampus Lindholm.

  • Bob McKenzie, TSN690 Montreal this week: The Edmonton Oilers feel the need to make some significant change. Anaheim is a team with a huge number of question marks in terms of personnel decisions that need to be made. Are they going to be able to sign both Lindholm and Vatanen on the blueline, or are they going to trade one of those guys. Source

You could draw a line from a Lucic signing to a Hall trade to a Hampus Lindholm acquisition. That does not mean it has ever been discussed, but it does not require a degree in daydreaming to put these things together.

  • What does it all mean? I would not trade Taylor Hall, full stop. It is folly. One assumes this (if it is real) would be a discussion rather than an actual trade. Lindholm would be a dandy option, I really like him—but for me, Hall trade talk is a non-starter. Peter Chiarelli may have a different opinion. As for Lucic, we have talked about it chapter and verse on this blog, recently here. Repeating: I believe, if Lucic reaches free agency, Chiarelli will pursue him to Kashmir and back with offers of riches untold. Seriously.

CALL AND RESPONSE

  • If PC sends away Hall and returns Lindholm and Lucic, how mad are you?

NOW, BACK TO REALITY

This scenario makes sense to me, and has less Gravol involved. If I am Anaheim and Peter Chiarelli is listening, then the Hall talk never leaves the front page of the conversation. He would be a brilliant addition to that Ducks team.

TYSON BARRIE

  • Pierre Lebrun: Restricted free-agent blue-liner Tyson Barrie needs a new contract and if the Colorado Avalanche feel like they can’t re-sign him, they’ll no doubt look to see what the trade route can bring. The Oilers, in desperate need of top-four help, I believe would be among the bidders on Barrie if Colorado decides to go the trade route. Source

Please click on the link and read, Lebrun has a ton there and I am breaking my 24-hour rule. I think, based on Pierre and Bob and logic, Tyson Barrie to Edmonton for some combination of players is at least somewhat possible. Nuge? Don’t know, Bob McKenzie mentioned the Avs need defense when he was on TSN1260 with Nielson and Fraser this morning. So, maybe it is that LHD for RHD we have discussed.

Two things I do believe:

  • Peter Chiarelli and Milan Lucic may be doing business this summer.
  • Edmonton is aggressively pursuing Tyson Barrie. There is too much out there for this to be nothing.

More tomorrow morning, sooner if something breaks.

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82 Responses to "HAVE YOU HEARD THE LATEST? (PROBABLY NOT)"

  1. Younger Oil says:

    This is going to be a hell of an interesting month.

    Probably the most important month in the past decade.

    Strap in folks.

  2. fifthcartel says:

    I have a feeling Trouba + to Colorado for Duchene and then Barrie for RNH are trades that are all but locked in for draft day.

    Stauffer brought up that possibility yesterday of a Trouba going to the Avs which would leave Barrie going for a replacement C and I thought “hmm, could make sense”. Then today Bob McKenzie says something similar about Trouba and Colorado.

    I’m pretty big on Barrie, and trading RNH for him seems like you’re paying full value but I would rather do that than trade for Vatanen.

  3. Richard S.S. says:

    Chiarelli’s biggest problem is everyone knows what he needs and what might be available. Right now, the other GMs are talking themselves into dealing with him. How long that takes, no one knows?

    When making trade proposals, evaluation is always an issue. There is a simple solution. Whoever you/the Oilers are acquiring costs twice as much as they do. Whoever you/the Oilers are offering in trade costs half as much as they do. If the trade then makes sense, satisfies both sides, it might work.

  4. Woogie63 says:

    Ok, when we trade RNH, we have a 19 year old and 20 year old as our top two centres with a combined 154 NHL games. We are one injury away from 2014-15.

  5. LadiesloveSmid says:

    adding Lucic and exchanging Hall for Lindholm is probably net positive for the next 3 years, Lucic’s body will have to decline like guys of the same ilk, Clowe, Horton, too tired to find other power forwards so I’ll say etc.

    does something around Klefbom and Barrie work if they got Lindholm? would kill me to trade Dreamy but could be worth it

  6. Snowman says:

    Woogie63:
    Ok, when we trade RNH, we have a 19 year old and 20 year old as our top two centres with a combined 154 NHL games.We are one injury away from 2014-15.

    This all damn day.

    If If we sign Lucic for 6×6 I’m not that happy but I’m not that upset either. Only way you get rid of Nuge is if you get Backes or someone similar. Backes actually checks a lot of boxes. Not sure how you bring in Backes and Lucic. The C that comes in must be a quality right shooting vet though in my opinion, otherwise you’re just better keeping Nuge.

    We live in interesting times ladies and germs.

  7. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    The idea behind trading RNH is that it’s not done in a vacuum. If it happens another legit NHL centre, though not as good as RNH, will be brought in. I can live with MCD/DRAI/BOZAK as my C depth if it means substantial improvement on the back end.

  8. Centre of attention says:

    Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
    Hall-Draisaitl-Eriksson
    Maroon-Bozak-Kassian
    Hendricks-Letestu-Pakarinen

    Klefbom-Barrie
    Sekera-Vatanen
    Davidson-Gryba

    Talbot
    Enroth

    Opening night 2016?

  9. Richard S.S. says:

    When we talk of who gets traded, it’s never about what matters to the other team. Trading Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is all well and good if the other team needs a Centre. The other team looks at RNH, 22, 6’0″ 189, $6.0 MM; then they look at Leon Draisaitl, 20, 6’1″ 214, ELC. Both are Centres. I know which one every team wants, but does the other team want to pay $6.0 MM? What really matters?

  10. Soup Fascist says:

    Not to turn this into a medical discussion – as I am not qualified and it understandably makes LT uncomfortable – but Lucic is confirmed to have Scheuermann’s Disease.

    While his health had been very robust over the past five years, back pain and discomfort can be a result of the disease. May affect Lucic / may not. Just one more thing to consider before offering a high dollar / long term contract that will likely extend into the man’s mid thirties.

  11. Professor Q says:

    Richard S.S.:
    When we talk of who gets traded, it’s never about what matters to the other team.Trading Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is all well and good if the other team needs a Centre. The other team looks at RNH, 22, 6’0″ 189, $6.0 MM; then they look at Leon Draisaitl, 20, 6’1″ 214, ELC.Both are Centres.I know which one every team wants, but does the other team want to pay $6.0 MM?What really matters?

    That’s the dance, I guess.

  12. Professor Q says:

    Woogie63:
    Ok, when we trade RNH, we have a 19 year old and 20 year old as our top two centres with a combined 154 NHL games.We are one injury away from 2014-15.

    Nolan Patrick! Wooot!

  13. Genjutsu says:

    Although I believe Edmonton would be in on Barrie or Vatanen or Demers I think it unlikely that they go for two of them and definitely not all three.

    Sekera is not a big man and the Chia will not dress three small D.

    It’s just not his style, and in the big bad west its probably not a good idea to do so anyway.

    Hang on tight this is going to a wild ride.

  14. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    “If PC sends away Hall and returns Lindholm and Lucic, how mad are you?”

    Would you be surprised if I said happy as hell? That’s not going to happen before the draft though with Lucic as a UFA.

    Lucic with McDavid and Eberle would be sick. However, I do not think we should trade Hall as much as I knock his overall game first. I think Nuge should go before him. I’m going to pound the table for a Nuge for Jenner & Savard deal until it happens (or doesnt). I wish we knew for sure we could get Lucic before the draft then we could move down and get Barrie in a swap. I swear if we end up with Lucic and Tkachuk we will be the baddest mofos on the block. 3 years Lucic wears down Tkachuk steps in. Sick.

    In that case though we would still need one more RHD and a top one at that. At that point I would be on board on moving Hall for Lindholm knowing we had Lucic, Maroon and Tkachuk already.

  15. GCW_69 says:

    If you believe Lindholm is the next Hedman, and I believe he is, then it’s a no brainer to trade Hall for him. Full stop.

    If you have a lower view of Lindholm’s potential, then you would not make that trade.

    I offer this for consideration:

    Hedman had 69 points in his first three seasons. Lindholm had 92

    Hedman had 12 goals in his first three seasons. Lindholm had 23

    Hedman CorsiRel of 2.5, 2.7, and 0.5 in his first three seasons. Lindholm had 1.2, 0.4 and 6.1

    Lindholm is tracking ahead of Hedman. And he did it dragging Beauchamin around. In 1691 minutes with Beauchamin, they had a corsi of 50.7, and Beauchamin without Lindholm was 43.8 in 2104 minutes apart.

    So, in answer to your question about Hall out and Lindholm + Lucic in, I would be thrilled. They would head into summer like this:

    Lucic – McDavid – Eberle

    Pouliot – Nuge – FA1

    Maroon – Draisaitl – FA2

    Hendricks – Letestu – Kassian

    Lindholm – Sekera

    Klefbom – Trade/ FAn

    Davidson – Fayne

    Talbot

    Trade yak for Severson, sign two of Parenteau, Versteeg or Stempniak or trade Reinhart for Shaw to fill out the right side and you have a cup contender.

  16. Chachi says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes:
    “If PC sends away Hall and returns Lindholm and Lucic, how mad are you?”

    Would you be surprised if I said happy as hell? That’s not going to happen before the draft though with Lucic as a UFA.

    Lucic with McDavid and Eberle would be sick. However, I do not think we should trade Hall as much as I knock his overall game first.I think Nuge should go before him. I’m going to pound the table for a Nuge for Jenner & Savard deal until it happens (or doesnt).I wish we knew for sure we could get Lucic before the draft then we could move down and get Barrie in a swap. I swear if we end up with Lucic and Tkachuk we will be the baddest mofos on the block. 3 years Lucic wears down Tkachuk steps in. Sick.

    RNH for Jenner and Savard would be an awful awful awful awful awful trade. Awful. Horrible. Terrible. Brutal. Horrawful. Yuck. Blech.

    If you can’t get a top pairing defenceman for RNH you keep him. In fact I think you keep him anyway regardless of the return, at least until your top 2 centres are old enough to drink at a bar on a US road trip.

  17. Centre of attention says:

    Centre of attention:

    Klefbom-Barrie
    Sekera-Vatanen
    Davidson-Gryba

    In hind sight, I doubt very much both Vatanen AND Barrie come here. One of the two makes much more sense.

    Maybe Fayne stays until a more complete RHD can be attained? So many possibilities.

  18. Магия 10 says:

    Oh fudge. On channel Stanley the pens show how to tilt the ice with D matched to a killer top 9. . Meanwhile the Treehouse of Horrors has us gutting top 9 to bring in two D so we can give Vegas the choice of Davey and Griff.

  19. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Woogie63:
    Ok, when we trade RNH, we have a 19 year old and 20 year old as our top two centres with a combined 154 NHL games.We are one injury away from 2014-15.

    Pittsburgh did ok in 2006 with a what 19 yr old Crosby and 20 yr old Malkin? 2007 they were 2 wins away from the Cup with a 20 yr old Crosby and 21 yr old Malkin. McDavid and Draisaitl could do the same with the rights guys around them. Unlikely with this team right now but not impossible.

  20. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Chachi: RNH for Jenner and Savard would be an awful awful awful awful awful trade. Awful. Horrible. Terrible. Brutal. Horrawful. Yuck. Blech.

    If you can’t get a top pairing defenceman for RNH you keep him. In fact I think you keep him anyway regardless of the return, at least until your top 2 centres are old enough to drink at a baron a US road trip.

    You do know Jenner is 2 months older than Nuge coming off a 30 goal year right? Plus, he is bigger, stronger, grittier and can play wing or center and is a good penalty killer. David Savard would be a solid #4 RHD dman. Nuge coming off another injury. While I agree now is not the time to move him (after the World Cup) if we could get Jenner and Savard+ for him I would do it. I would expect prospects/picks also to be included for the record.

  21. Richard S.S. says:

    Until training camp starts, consider the following to be the Oilers’ Roster now:
    Centre: Connor McDavid;
    Goal: Cam Talbot.

    Each acquisition Chiarelli makes can be added to this Roster. After it appears Chiarelli is finished/Training Camp starts, the survivors are also added. I expect as few as three new pieces to as many as seven will be added, possibly more. I don’t think any of the $6.0 Million man survive McDavid’s entire ELC. Last year was a disgrace which will never, ever happen again.

  22. Centre of attention says:

    How much of the Lucic to Edmonton talk is just Lucic and his agent twisting Lombardi’s arm? Kings probably don’t like the idea of Lucic skating for a divisional rival.

  23. Quinlan says:

    Still haven’t seen enough smoke to assume that RNH is on the way out. I’ve seen Chiarelli and McLellan defend him time after time, the latter even saying he had Pavelski potential. I still think Nuge has Datsyukian potential to be honest. He’s so, so young, and so, so talented, which I think people easily forget.

    You trade 4th overall, Nurse, and next year’s 1st before you trade any of the core. I think that’s what PC would prefer to do (based on his verbal), and I think it would be best for the team.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAial7SrZ1I

  24. Rondo says:

    Stephen Burtch ‏@SteveBurtch
    Like Pouliot is pretty much better at everything – except dishing out hits…and being hit?

  25. gd says:

    Centre of attention:
    How much of the Lucic to Edmonton talk is just Lucic and his agent twisting Lombardi’s arm? Kings probably don’t like the idea of Lucic skating for a divisional rival.

    God I hope you’re right. The agent (Johansson) does seem to be one of Bob’s go to sources.

  26. Mr DeBakey says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: At that point I would be on board on moving Hall for Lindholm knowing we had Lucic, Maroon and Tkachuk already.

    Not too many Top-6 LWs in that group

  27. Water Fire says:

    GCW_69:
    If you believe Lindholm is the next Hedman, and I believe he is, then it’s a no brainer to trade Hall for him. Full stop.

    If you have a lower view of Lindholm’s potential, then you would not make that trade.

    I offer this for consideration:

    Hedman had 69 points in his first three seasons. Lindholm had 92

    Hedman had 12 goals in his first three seasons. Lindholm had 23

    Hedman CorsiRel of 2.5, 2.7, and 0.5 in his first three seasons. Lindholm had 1.2, 0.4 and 6.1

    Lindholm is tracking ahead of Hedman.And he did it dragging Beauchamin around. In 1691 minutes with Beauchamin, they had a corsi of 50.7, and Beauchamin without Lindholm was 43.8 in 2104 minutes apart.

    So, in answer to your question about Hall out and Lindholm + Lucic in, I would be thrilled.They would head into summer like this:

    Lucic – McDavid – Eberle

    Pouliot – Nuge– FA1

    Maroon – Draisaitl – FA2

    Hendricks – Letestu – Kassian

    Lindholm – Sekera

    Klefbom – Trade/ FAn

    Davidson – Fayne

    Talbot

    Trade yak for Severson, sign two of Parenteau, Versteeg or Stempniak or trade Reinhart for Shaw to fill out the right side and you have a cup contender.

    The idea of trading Hall for an undeveloped talented defenseman while retaining Eberle offends me at a genetic level.

  28. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Rondo:
    Stephen Burtch ‏@SteveBurtch
    Like Pouliot is pretty much better at everything – except dishing out hits…and being hit?

    I would keep Pou over signing Lucic. Pou is good at everything, and won’t need to be signed at 6Mx7 years as his body slows down.

    not a fan of Burtch’s though, Pou>>Lucic, Franson the top pairing D, Kadri the #1C, and Gudbranson the top 4D just things I have a hard time really arguing for.

  29. kinger_OIL says:

    – I would bet a lot that Chia would rather have Lucic on this team than Hall. He’s only 3 years older. He has been a lot healthier over the years. He’s tougher to play against. He’s Chia’s guy.

    – If Chia could sign Lucic for $7MM, trade hall for an elite D, how much better is this team?

    – Not sure how good a D you get for Hall straight up, but a much better any of our current D

    – That’s a massive improvement for the team.

  30. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’m sure this is a stupid question and can’t be answered, but can anyone give us an idea how the two options with the 4th pick stack up to previous years? Pre-draft is it possible to say with medium confidence that these guys are better or worse than the guys last year, or the year before etc. Is there any statistical measure that can be used to gauge this?

  31. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    One last thing on Nuge to Columbus proposal and ill leave it alone for abit. It cannot be understated enough that GM Jarmo Kekalainen and Torts for that matter are one bad start of a season away from being fired in all likelihood. They are desperate for a #1 center having traded away Johansen (unless of course you think Brandon Dubinsky is a #1 which he isnt) . They CANNOT afford to go into this season with Duby has their top center. LT talked about Colorado being riped for the picking regarding a trade. IMO Columbus is the team you try and take advantage of.

    It looks like they will be taking Puljujarvi #3 so with he with Foligno you could have 2 solid parts of a top line but still need that top center. Who’s available in free agency? No one better than Nuge. Could we get Nuge for Ryan Murray? Maybe, and if so I say bring it. However, that does create a hole at center for us albeit likely a 3rd line center spot which is easier to fill than a #1. Plus, I’m not sure Columbus is willing to part with him but it’s possible and for the record I would approve that.

    A more likely scenario would be acquiring Jenner who is coming off a 30 goal year, Savard a solid #4 RHD dman with upside and if we’re lucky a guy like Rychel or top pick or prospect. Plus, IMO it is possible to include Korpse (maybe eat a bit of salary) to help mentor Puljujarvi his finnish compadre. Keep in mind, Jarmo is part of the management group that surprisingly selected him for Team Finland at the World Cup so he maybe more than anyone values him at least a little. Teams do this all the time with European rookie phenoms. Having a guy who speaks their language and can help them adapt is important. Columbus does not have a skater who is Finnish except for Korpisalo who may or may not make the team.

    I’ve read all the comments about trades the last few days and this checks all the boxes IMO. Columbus is desperate for a top center, we get a solid 2 way C/LW coming off 30 goals to replace him plus a #4 RHD dman and another solid player like Rychel or prospect and unload Korpse too. From Columbus’ standpoint they upgrade at center, get a guy they are familiar with in Korpse to help ease Puljujarvi’s transition to America.

    Columbus opening night goes Foligno-RNH-Puljujarvi, Saad-Dubinsky-Atkinson we run McD-Drai-Jenner-Letestu at center. Makes sense folks. I probably love Boone Jenner as a player more than most but still think it’s fair even objectively. We’ll see.

  32. stevezie says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes,

    I think CBS would do your deal but you sure like Murray a lot more than i do. I think we lose that by a lot.

    Your second deal is a one for two that makes some sense as it adds depth where we need it, but i think there are better options out there. I think we can get someone as good or better than Savard without trading Nuge.

  33. maxwell_mischief says:

    I’ve spent the better part of today breaking down teams prospects, players under 25, and important pieces 25-30…
    I think the Oilers can fix the D with the management of the 4th overall
    Here are some thoughts

    1) Pick 3 could be in play, but I don’t think CBJ ultimately deals the pick. They have a pretty well rounded young core, and they could use Puljajarvi. They can target a top C and D in other ways… there are guys like Nuge who may be available (although I don’t think there is a deal there… maybe colorado for Duchene if they think he’s good to go at C not RW) and free agency is probably their route to acquire a solid D.

    2) I think Calgary, Montreal, Buffalo, Colorado might want to jump into 4, as well as some other teams but my guess is Buffalo makes a splash for the fans at home and gets a good ol’ ‘Merican to ride shotty to Eichel. I think Colorado is in on it (for Dubois) but I think they ask for more to go with Reinhart and 4 for Barrie and 10. The deal ultimately ends up Reinhart +4 for Bogosian + 8

    3) Montreal trades into 6 spot after Vancouver chooses Olli Juolevi as the first Dman in the draft. I thought Vancouver was more Fd up front than they are. While they could use a LW prospect, Juolevi seems like a sexy choice to be groomed along Gudbranson, and Stetcher for years to come. The cost is extra picks (and Calgary will get their choice of Chychrun or Nylander at 9 likely still)

    4) Oilers trade out of top ten all together, down to 24 in a swap with ANA. Pouliot goes out as well, and they Oilers also add an extra pick, or prospect. ANA picks Brown.
    OR Colorado likes someone (maybe Chychrun or Sergachev) 10+Barrie for 8+Ebs (no salary retained)

    5) Nylander is a real wild card, Keller is a real wild card, Brown is a real wild card
    LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS COULD HAPPEN DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS FIRST AND WHO TAKES WHO

  34. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    stevezie:
    Kiltymcbagpipes,

    I think CBS would do your deal but you sure like Murray a lot more than i do.

    Murray has a lot of upside and has shown signs he has turned the corner but like Nuge has had injury history. Would be a risk for both teams but I would definitely prefer the Jenner deal. Boone is a Chiarelli type player to a Tee

  35. maxwell_mischief says:

    the proposed scenario I’ve suggested above would have the Oilers at
    Sekera-Bogosian
    Klefbom-Vatanen
    Davidson-Fayne
    Oesterle/Gryba/Nurse

    24 ovr maybe Max Jones or Tufte
    Still have Eberle, Nuge, Yak as assets

  36. JimmyV1965 says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes:
    One last thing on Nuge to Columbus proposal and ill leave it alone for abit. It cannot be understated enough that GM Jarmo Kekalainen and Torts for that matter are one bad start of a season away from being fired in all likelihood. They are desperate for a #1 center having traded away Johansen (unless of course you think Brandon Dubinsky is a #1 which he isnt) . They CANNOT afford to go into this season with Duby has their top center.LT talked about Colorado being riped for the picking regarding a trade. IMO Columbus is the team you try and take advantage of.

    It looks like they will be taking Puljujarvi #3 so with he with Foligno you could have 2 solid parts of a top line but still need that top center. Who’s available in free agency? No one better than Nuge. Could we get Nuge for Ryan Murray? Maybe, and if so I say bring it. However, that does create a hole at center for us albeit likely a 3rd line center spot which is easier to fill than a #1. Plus, I’m not sure Columbus is willing to part with him but it’s possible and for the record I would approve that.

    A more likely scenario would be acquiring Jenner who is coming off a 30 goal year, Savard a solid #4 RHD dman with upside and if we’re lucky a guy like Rychel or top pick or prospect. Plus, IMO it is possible to include Korpse (maybe eat a bit of salary) to help mentor Puljujarvi his finnish compadre. Keep in mind, Jarmo is part of the management group that surprisingly selected him for Team Finland at the World Cup so he maybe more than anyone values him at least a little. Teams do this all the time with European rookie phenoms. Having a guy who speaks their language and can help them adapt is important. Columbus does not have a skater who is Finnish except for Korpisalo who may or may not make the team.

    I’ve read all the comments about trades the last few days and this checks all the boxes IMO. Columbus is desperate for a top center, we get a solid 2 way C/LW coming off 30 goals to replace him plus a #4 RHD dman and another solid player like Rychel or prospect and unload Korpse too. From Columbus’ standpoint they upgrade at center, get a guy they are familiar with in Korpse to help ease Puljujarvi’s transition to America.

    Columbus opening night goes Foligno-RNH-Puljujarvi, Saad-Dubinsky-Atkinson we run McD-Drai-Jenner-Letestu at center. Makes sense folks. I probably love Boone Jenner as a player more than most but still think it’s fair even objectively. We’ll see.

    I’m sure Torts would never let Jenner be traded. He’s probably the ideal Torts player. I’m sure the adoption papers have already been drawn up.

  37. GCW_69 says:

    Water Fire: The idea of trading Hall for an undeveloped talented defenseman while retaining Eberle offends me at a genetic level.

    If you believe Lindholm is undeveloped you haven’t been paying attention. Lindholm is top pair quality right now with elite upside. McDavid and Lindholm is the core you win multiple Stanley Cups around.

  38. Richard S.S. says:

    JimmyV1965,

    http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Draft-Results/
    For reference I’m using the above. IMO: This years’ #1 would be 1/1A in almost all years except last year, then he would be a #3. This years’ #2 and #3 would be 2-6 in almost all years except last year, then they would be 4-10. This years’ #4 and #5 would be 7-12 in almost all years except last year, then they would be 11-16. I don’t know how to refine this any better, but this is in my opinion.

  39. Water Fire says:

    GCW_69: If you believe Lindholm is undeveloped you haven’t been paying attention. Lindholm is top pair quality right now with elite upside.McDavid and Lindholm is the core you win multiple Stanley Cups around.

    I know he’s good but you’re still saying ‘upside’.

    I’m looking for ‘top 2 league established’ LHD at the same age and contract as our ‘top 2 established’ LW under a great contract.

    Lindholm does not have Hall’s cred or established ability at this time, and this is exactly how the Oilers always lose.

    Tell me Yak +, Eberle, Reinhart +, Pouliot +, #4 , Nurse, Klefbom, maybe.

    Good LHD aren’t rare like RHD.

  40. square_wheels says:

    To clarify the speculation by @Bob_Stauffer on Inside Sports:
    More than 50% chance one of Hall/RNH traded.
    Less than 20% chance Eb traded.

    Until I read this I was having a great day.

    I’m still not sold on Chia until a deal involving one of these 2 involves at minimum a player like Limdholm returning. Our D is so fucked, this is likely the pain we have to endure.

    Their’s also a cynical part of me that thinks Hall has already asked for a trade. Nuge, not his MO.

  41. Quinlan says:

    Richard S.S.:
    JimmyV1965,

    http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Draft-Results/
    For reference I’m using the above.IMO: This years’ #1 would be 1/1A in almost all years except last year, then he would be a #3.

    There’s a growing tendency in Oilerville to over-value present prospects at the expense of players we have soured on.

    Look at their Rookie seasons. If Auston Matthews matches what Hall or RNH did in their first years, that would be a fantastic start. Seriously.

  42. Caramel Batman says:

    Lucic as a UFA makes me want to puke. That will be a franchise killer contract.

    Most of the rest strikes me as good news rumours

    Hall for Lindholm doesn’t strike me as a good trade, but at least Lindholm is a very good player. If you trade Hall for Lindholm I still don’t want Lucic. He’ll have negative value from the second he’s signed.

    I’d rather have Subban than Lindholm though.

    Love the Barrie news. He’d be a prime target for me simply because I don’t think he costs the same amount as the other names other than Vatanen.

    I’d trade Pouliot for Vatanen.

    If Hall or Hopkins or Eberle get traded, but Nurse doesn’t, I’ll be very unhappy. It will mean that Chiarelli mistakenly believes Nurse is as good as they are, or will be as good as they are. That’s a bad mistake to make.

    So because I don’t believe in Chiarelli at all my offseason prediction is this:

    Lucic is signed as a free agent.
    Nurse stays on the team.
    Hopkins or Eberle is traded for an only ok defenseman.
    Tkachuk is drafted.

    Result: Oilers never win a Stanley Cup.

  43. leadfarmer says:

    If Hall gets traded I really think it’s because he asked for a trade and Chia is good at keeping things quiet. Not saying that he asked for a trade, but I wouldn’t blame him if he did

  44. OilSafety says:

    Is there a way for the Oilers to bring in both Faulk and Barrie?

    Perhaps with the #4 and nuge and pieces with someone like Shaw filling in nuge spot.

    Maybe 4 and Fayne for barrie and nuge and a pick for Faulk. Is that doable under the Cap moving forward?

  45. stush18 says:

    Caramel Batman:
    Lucic as a UFA makes me want to puke.That will be a franchise killer contract.

    Most of the rest strikes me as good news rumours

    Hall for Lindholm doesn’t strike me as a good trade, but at least Lindholm is a very good player.If you trade Hall for Lindholm I still don’t want Lucic.He’ll have negative value from the second he’s signed.

    I’d rather have Subban than Lindholm though.

    Love the Barrie news.He’d be a prime target for me simply because I don’t think he costs the same amount as the other names other than Vatanen.

    I’d trade Pouliot for Vatanen.

    If Hall or Hopkins or Eberle get traded, but Nurse doesn’t, I’ll be very unhappy.It will mean that Chiarelli mistakenly believes Nurse is as good as they are, or will be as good as they are.That’s a bad mistake to make.

    So because I don’t believe in Chiarelli at all my offseason prediction is this:

    Lucic is signed as a free agent.
    Nurse stays on the team.
    Hopkins or Eberle is traded for an only ok defenseman.
    Tkachuk is drafted.

    Result:Oilers never win a Stanley Cup.

    You’re a happy fellow.

    Why is lucic a negative the instant he signs? And don’t give me narratives about “age, body breaking down, contract”. He has been producing points at a first line/second line rate for most of his career, and posting possession stats at a higher than first line rate. If you believe you need a possession game to win, he’s the goods.

    And CGW posted lindholm is tracking about as well as you could ever hope

  46. Магия 10 says:

    We can protect Drai and Klef and Sekera and don’t have to protect McDavid and Nurse and the 4th.

    Everyone else should go to land Barrie and Lindholm and Virtanan and Demers and Faulk.

    That gives us 1F and 7D to protect at the draft. Some teams will lose some D to Vegas and then we’ll cash in 1 or 2 of our most expendable D for a forward line each.

    Not a clue why the penguins run unicorns when they could have a really shiny D corps. Clearly they are not used to having too much offense like we are.

    Nice to see this board all happy and friendly and spitballing on all cylinders. Shoot me please. or drop kick me through the nearest wormhole. Where the hell is Hunter when you need him. Probably some malfunction in the transporter and one of him is chilling with Trudeau.

  47. blackadder says:

    After watching the Penguins success in the postseason, why on earth would we essentially exchange Hall for Lucic. We have enough plodders up front now, adding another in Lucic is not the way to go. Team speed can beat LA’s cycle game, in the same way Pittsburg has been able to dominate San Jose over the first two games of the finals. what we need is more talent, both on the blue and at forward.

  48. JimmyV1965 says:

    Richard S.S.:
    JimmyV1965,

    http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Draft-Results/
    For reference I’m using the above.IMO: This years’ #1 would be 1/1A in almost all years except last year, then he would be a #3.This years’ #2 and #3 would be 2-6 in almost all years except last year, then they would be 4-10. This years’ #4 and #5 would be 7-12 in almost all years except last year, then they would be 11-16.I don’t know how to refine this any better, but this is in my opinion.

    Interesting. If that’s right, it really makes the case for trading the pick outright I would think.

  49. Lowetide says:

    Ali passed. A sad day.

  50. godot10 says:

    Lowetide:
    Ali passed. A sad day.

    #TheGreatestOfAllTime

  51. Mr DeBakey says:

    Lowetide:
    Ali passed. A sad day.

    Wow

    A month-or-so back I read an excellent book called “At The Fights”. Its a collection of newspaper and magazine pieces about great fighters and/or great fights.
    http://www.powells.com/book/at-the-fights-9781598532050/2-2

    Included was the Sports Illustrated story of “The Thrilla in Manilla.”
    Great story.
    The fight is on Youtube. I watched it after reading the story.
    Great fight.
    Better than anything else you’ll watch this month.

    Joe Frazier was, probably remains, my favourite all-time boxer.
    Gawd that was a good fight.

  52. blackadder says:

    Lowetide,

    No one in Sports in the 20th century had a greater impact on society. Remarkable boxer and remarkable person.

  53. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Caramel Batman:
    Lucic as a UFA makes me want to puke.That will be a franchise killer contract.

    Most of the rest strikes me as good news rumours

    Hall for Lindholm doesn’t strike me as a good trade, but at least Lindholm is a very good player.If you trade Hall for Lindholm I still don’t want Lucic.He’ll have negative value from the second he’s signed.

    I’d rather have Subban than Lindholm though.

    Love the Barrie news.He’d be a prime target for me simply because I don’t think he costs the same amount as the other names other than Vatanen.

    I’d trade Pouliot for Vatanen.

    If Hall or Hopkins or Eberle get traded, but Nurse doesn’t, I’ll be very unhappy.It will mean that Chiarelli mistakenly believes Nurse is as good as they are, or will be as good as they are.That’s a bad mistake to make.

    So because I don’t believe in Chiarelli at all my offseason prediction is this:

    Lucic is signed as a free agent.
    Nurse stays on the team.
    Hopkins or Eberle is traded for an only ok defenseman.
    Tkachuk is drafted.

    Result:Oilers never win a Stanley Cup.

    I have officially found my polar opposite in regards to opinion about hockey on this blog. GMoney and I have issues regarding analytics vs. a coach’s perspective but you Carbat and I disagree almost entirely which is fine.

    Lucic is signed as a free agent – While clearly it will be too much money and term longterm for the next 3 years or so it should pay dividends as guys like Connor and Eberle will have more room with Milan out there. Dominant physical force and Stanley Cup key contributor. That matters.

    Nurse stays on the team – Clearly you are not a scout. People are still pissed we let Petry go but you want to ship out Nurse who has more heart, determination and size/speed combo than any defenseman we have had since Pronger for short term gain? Why because he’s a 21 yr old dman who makes mistakes? Please. This kid is a future Shutdown defenseman. You win Cups with a guy like that not a team full of Vatanens. Get real.

    RNH or Eberle for an ok defenseman – if it’s package I’d be ok with it. Depends on who it is. Too many variables.

    Tkachuk is drafted – Who wants a guy who is tough, a leader, has great hands and vision, wins puck battles, has a high hockey IQ, plays hurt, can play with elite talent, will play in the tough areas and is a big time scorer. Oh, and scores big goals in big games…while hurt?

    Not you apparently you rather continue to reenact the 80’s with more perimeter players. Clearly that formula hasnt worked but let’s keep trying! Why would you be angry if we draft Tkachuk?

    Why because he’s slow in your mind? How many Power forwards do you know in the history of the NHL have had blazing speed? Tkachuk is not a slug he is a good skater. HE PLAYED THE ENTIRE MEMORIAL CUP ON A SPRAINED ANKLE. He is the type of gritty player you need to win in the playoffs. I realize its been so long you probably forgot what that is. Just picture Ryan Smyth 2.0 with more skill.

    A team with guys like Lucic, Tkachuk and Nurse on it to go along with skill guys in McDavid and Draisaitl is a winning formula in my opinion. You disagree and that’s fine. Playoff hockey is a grind and you need some grinders. But what do I know….

  54. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    RIP Ali.

  55. geowal says:

    I can’t wait for Lucic’s buyout.

  56. Mr DeBakey says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: it should pay dividends as guys like Connor and Eberle will have more room with Milan out there.

    When Cooke ended Savard’s career, Lucic was in the picture.

    No extra room.
    Old bullshit story.

  57. commonfan14 says:

    blackadder: No one in Sports in the 20th century had a greater impact on society.

    Just a reminder that Jackie Robinson played in that same 20th century.

  58. who says:

    Water Fire: The idea of trading Hall for an undeveloped talented defenseman while retaining Eberle offends me at a genetic level.

    I really think Hall for Lindholm could happen and would be a good move for the Oilers. If you look at the Oilers they are deepest up front at left wing. If they trade a forward for a dman a left wing going out makes the most sense. If they trade Hall they still have Poo, Maroon, Drake and probably PLD/ Tachuck. Lindhom is the real deal and would vault to the top of the Oilers depth chart. it would also allow the Oilers to swap out a lefty dman for a righty. They may even flip Lindhom, who knows.

  59. mustang says:

    I totally believe Lucic and Vatanen in and Pouliot out. The writing has been on the wall for months and will happen if everything falls right. Hamonic, or Demers would also be a good add as well. I prefer to trade Ebs+ for Hamonic and sign Ericksson or Okposo for 5mX4.

  60. Kepler62 says:

    I would absolutely trade Hall in a Justin Faulk deal — this team needs to build around the three C’s. Wingers can’t impact the game the same way and the Oil can just pull a Pittsburgh and have a revolving door on the wing with McD, Nuge, and Drai down the middle for the next 10 years.

    Taylor Hall is a superstar, no doubt about it – but he’s the guy who can get us a top RHD.

    Justin Faulk is a stud #1 RHD. He is what the Oilers need. I’d even consider a 1 for 1 trade, Hall probably has more “superstar power” but when it comes to positions, that carries weight and Faulk holds the upper hand by a mile.

    Would Faulk + #13 Overall for Hall satisfy everyone? Is that an overpay by Carolina?

  61. mustang says:

    Professor Q: Nolan Patrick! Wooot!

    That isn’t funny at all

  62. theDjdj says:

    Ali. The greatest sports personality that ever lived. An icon. To his family who knew him as Muhammad or Cassius or Pa, my condolences. For the rest of us– we have his story. Nothing that great ever truly dies

  63. blackadder says:

    commonfan14,

    Wouldn’t ever want to diminish the impact of Jackie Robinson, but whereas Robinson’s impact was great in NA, Ali was an idol for people all across the world.

  64. mustang says:

    Chachi: RNH for Jenner and Savard would be an awful awful awful awful awful trade. Awful. Horrible. Terrible. Brutal. Horrawful. Yuck. Blech.

    If you can’t get a top pairing defenceman for RNH you keep him. In fact I think you keep him anyway regardless of the return, at least until your top 2 centres are old enough to drink at a baron a US road trip.

    I think that trade would be good for the Oilers

  65. PunjabiOil says:

    Another possible update on the expansion draft:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/4ma67x/alex_burrows_gave_a_bunch_of_news_about_the/

    Edit 3: I spoke directly with Jean-Charles Lajoie on twitter, he confirms… Players with no-movement clause are not eligible to be drafted in the expansion draft. Therefore, teams do not have to protect players with no-movement clause, they can’t move at all under any circumstances. I also listened again to the interview carefully and Burrows also said the same thing.

    Which means Sekera would not have to be protected.

    Currently would mean:

    Hall, Eberle, RNH, Draisaitl

    Klefbom, Davidson, and another 2 defencemen?

  66. FUHR31 says:

    Hi all, I am a first time poster but long time reader. This is my favorite Oilers blog both for the articles and reading the comments that follow. I wanted to comment on this because I believe we have suffered enough and that big change is coming. In our division we can all agree that we need to be harder to play against. We have many smaller skilled forwards yet we don’t score a whole lot, lots of one rush and done. Mabey there wont be value at the end of a Lucic contract, but man is there value right now. Lucic is a very unique player in the league today and instantly changes our make up as a team. Chia has added some beef and most of it is functional, Lucic can play with skill, cycle, be a net front presence and he is a mean SOB. Lets get him and have other teams hate playing the Oilers again.

  67. FUHR31 says:

    Just a newbies two cents. If we overpay so be it, if he becomes an anchor contract move him out. I stopped worrying about that the moment the Leafs traded Phanuef…..contracts don’t get lot uglier than that lol

  68. Chachi says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: You do know Jenner is 2 months older than Nuge coming off a 30 goal year right? Plus, he is bigger, stronger, grittier and can play wing or center and is a good penalty killer. David Savard would be a solid #4 RHD dman. Nuge coming off another injury. While I agree now is not the time to move him (after the World Cup) if we could get Jenner and Savard+ for him I would do it. I would expect prospects/picks also to be included for the record.

    Jenner is 2 months older than RNH and just had his career season in which he scored 15 whole points more than RNH in 27 more games. Savard is a player who can be had for one or more of prospects or picks. That is a horrible no good gawd awful piece of horse shit trade. RNH would and could get the Oilers a much better return than Boone Jenner and David Savard. Aim higher.

  69. Chachi says:

    mustang:

    I think that trade would be good for the Oilers

    I give up.

  70. PunjabiOil says:

    If PC sends away Hall and returns Lindholm and Lucic, how mad are you?

    Extremely mad.

    It’s almost (rightly or wrongly) become to a point where I’ve become a bigger Hall fan than an Oilers fan.

    Stauffer suggesting a 15% chance Eberle gets moved, but a 50% chance one of Hall or RNH get moved is extremely concerning.

    I could live with RNH going for a guy like Faulk/Barrie but trading Hall would be a kick to the berries. A guy who put up so much, carried the team on his shoulders; despite being in an age where players are deemed expendable and disposable labour, there is some modicum of emotional attachment to him from (reasonable) Oilers fans.

    As there should be.

  71. theDjdj says:

    Those suggesting Lucic has speed issues need to go watch his game footage. He is not slow.

  72. theDjdj says:

    Trading Hall is a mistake. I don’t care who we get back. McDavid is a phenom but he can’t defeat stupidity. Hall carried Drai’s line. Without Hall we have basically 1 top line and sundries. Our defense isn’t this bad.

  73. AsiaOil says:

    Trading Hall is madness – just stop it. He’s a true river pusher – a top 10 ESP/60 player in the league last year. RNH was #178 (but injured) and Ebs was # 74 and stapled to CMD for half a season. RNH and Ebs are both replaceable but especially the winger. If we can sign Lucic then you simply trade Ebs for anything useful and the cap room. If we got Lucic I’d trade Ebs to NJD for Severson and a pick to get a decent #3 RHD with potential to be top 4 plus the cap room to sign Lucic. Get more? Wonderful – do it. Get anyone who can skate and play defense on RW and he’ll have a career year with CMD and Lucic. Hell trade Pou for Hemsky and “Bob’s your uncle” on RW. Fill in the blanks at 3C and 4RW with Yak trade, GR trade and FA.

    Hall RNH Drai
    Lucic CMD Hemsky
    Maroon xxx Kass
    Hendricks Testube xxx

    After picking up Severson – sign Demers and go to war with him, Severson and Fayne at RHD. This is only competent but it will be music compare to the the tire fire on RHD last season. We are not winning the Stanley Cup next year so we don’t need to blow our brains out fixing everything.

    Klef Demers
    Sekera Fayne
    Davidson Severson

    Chai has so many options it’s crazy – but if Lucic will sign here for only cash – it’s a game changer.

  74. speeds says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Another possible update on the expansion draft:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/4ma67x/alex_burrows_gave_a_bunch_of_news_about_the/

    Edit 3: I spoke directly with Jean-Charles Lajoie on twitter, he confirms… Players with no-movement clause are not eligible to be drafted in the expansion draft. Therefore, teams do not have to protect players with no-movement clause, they can’t move at all under any circumstances. I also listened again to the interview carefully and Burrows also said the same thing.

    Which means Sekera would not have to be protected.

    Currently would mean:

    Hall, Eberle, RNH, Draisaitl

    Klefbom, Davidson, and another 2 defencemen?

    I’d be stunned if that were the case, teams could just give players NMC’s leading up to the exp draft to avoid having to protect them. Look at a team like CHI, they’d get an extra 7 players to protect.

  75. Lowetide says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Another possible update on the expansion draft:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/4ma67x/alex_burrows_gave_a_bunch_of_news_about_the/

    Edit 3: I spoke directly with Jean-Charles Lajoie on twitter, he confirms… Players with no-movement clause are not eligible to be drafted in the expansion draft. Therefore, teams do not have to protect players with no-movement clause, they can’t move at all under any circumstances. I also listened again to the interview carefully and Burrows also said the same thing.

    Which means Sekera would not have to be protected.

    Currently would mean:

    Hall, Eberle, RNH, Draisaitl

    Klefbom, Davidson, and another 2 defencemen?

    This is why projected an expansion list before the final rules are released is a waste of time. The GMs are NOT giving up their players without a fight. Sam Pollock would be proud.

  76. theDjdj says:

    Lowetide,

    What percentage do you think the looming expansion draft affects Chia’s decisions this offseason? Does a good GM play with what he knows or does he prepare for surprises?

    Also, up early Lowetide. I feel like I’m the only one ever here at this time.

  77. kinger_OIL says:

    FUHR31,

    – I agree with you! Welcome. Lucic for cash, trading Hall for a magnificent D is a game changer.

  78. JohnnyOilfan says:

    Lowetide,

    Let’s say that given the scenerio mentioned that players with NMC don’t need to be protected in the expansion draft, would you expect to see a lot of teams provide full and/or limited NMC to any UFA sigings this year? Can you give a 2-3 year NMC on a 5-6 year contract? LT, would you be more worried if the oil sign Lucic to a 5-6 year contract at $5-6mil per and a NMC? I would give him the term but would be scared to give a NMC.

  79. gogliano says:

    At the end of the day, the Oilers will probably gain more than they lose with an expansion draft. They have young talent that doesn’t need to be protected and the Oilers aren’t a particularly deep team. Some of the better teams in the league aren’t as lucky.

  80. Rondo says:

    LT.

    Check out these weights and heights at the combine specifically Mikhail Sergachev

    http://thehockeywriters.com/2016-combine-heights-weights/

    Big boy
    https://twitter.com/haprusak/status/739092063933845504

  81. Marc says:

    speeds: I’d be stunned if that were the case, teams could just give players NMC’s leading up to the exp draft to avoid having to protect them.Look at a team like CHI, they’d get an extra 7 players to protect.

    Agreed.

    If this were true then every significant UFA and RFA contract signed this summer will include a NMC to ensure that the player doesn’t need to be protected.

    The League hates NMCs and want any expansion team to be competitive right off the bat. If this is part of the expansion rules then the League will be both encouraging NMCs and ensuring that the new team will be picking from flotsam and jetsam.

    I just don’t see that happening.

  82. GCW_69 says:

    Water Fire: I know he’s good but you’re still saying ‘upside’.

    I’m looking for ‘top 2 league established’ LHD at the same age and contract as our ‘top 2 established’ LW under a great contract.

    Lindholm does not have Hall’s cred or established ability at this time, and this is exactly how the Oilers always lose.

    Tell me Yak +, Eberle, Reinhart +, Pouliot +, #4 , Nurse, Klefbom, maybe.

    Good LHD aren’t rare like RHD.

    The Oilers lose because they have a roster with no balance or depth, they have been unlucky enough to have to top of the draft class twice come up with the least important position in hockey, and because they have been so afraid of losing a trade they have been paralyzed.

    If you are waiting for the next Chara, Neidemeyer, or Suter to hit free agency this team will never win a cup.

    The list of players you trade Hall for is very short. Lindholm should be on it. You arent going to lose a trade where you give up a winger for the guy who will anchor your defence for the McDavid era, even if that winger is Hall.

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