EVERY PROSPECT IN THE SYSTEM (AND POSSIBLE TRADE VALUE)

Peter Chiarelli spent much of last summer dealing off young assets. Draft picks mostly, but also youngsters like Martin Marincin, Travis Ewanyk and Liam Coughlin. I will be straight with you—only one of those prospects had perceived trade value in this blog’s opinion. Trades are made for all kinds of reasons, including opening up room on the 50-man list.

The point of this blog is to have rational discussions and to enter into each season’s challenges fully aware of things. This blog did not value Liam Coughlin, but the Chicago Blackhawks did value him. What did we miss?

Here is the entire prospect list and (my) perceived trade value for each man. A reminder, a prospect is a prospect here at Lowetide until they play NHL game No. 51. I have not included names like Drake Caggiula, Jere Sallinen, Nick Ellis or Patrick Russell, as the prospects signed this spring are extremely unlikely to be dealt.

PROSPECTS AND TRADE VALUE

  1. C Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers (45, 16-32-48). Infinity—and beyond!
  2. D Griffin Reinhart, Edmonton Oilers (29, 0-1-1) and Bakersfield Condors (30, 2-8-10). Cost No. 16 and No. 33 a year ago, and he did not have a great year. That said, defensemen who are former high draft picks (somewhat) hold their value, I will say a second-round pick.
  3. D Ziyat Paigin, Kazan Ak Bars and Sochi HC (45, 9-19-28). He would be a valuable trade piece, but he has had only one big year in the KHL. I expect he would be worth more than Martin Marincin a year ago, so will guess the value at similar to Eric Gelinas at the trade deadline (third-round selection).
  4. F Jujhar Khaira, Edmonton Oilers (15, 0-2-2) and Bakersfield Condors (49, 10-17-27). A very encouraging season from the big forward (he is 6.03, 214), very impressive in both cities. Khaira has good speed, meaning he is somewhat unique. New Jersey dealt Stefan Matteau at the deadline for Devante Smith-Pelly or third-round pick, is that a reasonable value comparable?
  5. R Anton Slepyshev, Edmonton Oilers (11, 0-1-1) and Bakersfield Condors (49, 13-8-21). He had a nice run in training camp and early in the regular season, but struggled and then was injured in his AHL time. Recovered later in the minor league season (finished up 18, 6-5-11). He can play and has an NHL frame. Will guess third-round pick.
  6. D Ethan Bear, Seattle Thunderbirds (69, 19-46-65). Delivered a terrific season offensively, reports have him improving defensively. He was a fifth-round pick, and the spike has been one season, will suggest third-round value.
  7. D Caleb Jones, Portland Winterhawks (72, 10-45-55). Speed and size are his calling card, and if this offense is real Jones could be an absolute steal. Better skater than Bear, less creativity with the puck and less defensive acumen. Third-round pick.
  8. D Jordan Oesterle, Edmonton Oilers (17, 0-5-5) and Bakersfield Condors (44, 4-21-25). Helluva find by Bob Green. He impressed the hell out of me with his speed in year one, and with his speed and progress in year two. Oesterle has some NHL games under his belt now, I will say fourth-round pick.
  9. G Laurent Brossoit, Edmonton Oilers (5, 3.61 .873) and Bakersfield Condors (31, 2.66 .920). Had another strong AHL season and his first NHL game was outstanding. Faded afterward in his audition, may require another AHL season. Goalies are at an historic low in value (Slats could not get a first for Talbot last season), I will suggest a fourth-round pick.
  10. D Adam Clendening, Edmonton Oilers (20, 1-5-6). RHD picked up on waivers is an RFA. He might have some value in a depth role. Fifth-round pick.
  11. D Dillon Simpson, Bakersfield Condors (57, 4-16-20). Ended the season with a decent offensive run—18, 2-6-8. His coach said he was the Condors most consistent defender over the season. He is building toward something but it isn’t here yet, fifth-round pick.
  12. D William Lagesson, UMass-Amherst (27, 2-5-7). Mobile defender impressed at the world juniors, and looks like his defensive skills are the greatest part of his game. I will guess fifth-round pick.
  13. D David Musil, Bakersfield Condors (67, 3-11-14). Big man is an impressive shutdown defender at the AHL level. Less NHL experience than Marincin, will guess a fifth-round pick.
  14. D John Marino, Tri-City Storm (56, 5-25-30) A smooth skater with a range of skills, we are miles away from knowing him as a player. All of the indicators look good, plenty of good arrows. Sixth-round pick.
  15. C Bogdan Yakimov, Bakersfield Condors (36, 5-10-15) and Nizhnekamsk Neftekhimik (11, 3-1-4). A giant (6.05, 232) center, he would seem to be a useful player when he develops, but the offense didn’t spike in year two and speed is a concern (both items separating him from the other Russian prospect). Plus, maybe he goes home again. I will guess sixth-round pick.
  16. C Roman Horak, Vityaz Podolsk (KHL) (57, 15-12-27). Still listed on the team site, he might have some value. Seventh-round pick.
  17. L Kale Kessy, Bakersfield Condors (56, 7-5-12). RFA has skills duplicated by others and is coming off a subpar season. He has size and some speed. No trade value based on season.
  18. C Kyle Platzer, Bakersfield Condors (48, 6-11-17). I think it is difficult to peg him after this season. He has shown well in many ways, but the boxcars are shy and there isn’t any buzz at all about him. NTV, but promising.
  19. L Mitch Moroz, Bakersfield Condors (40, 5-5-10). Big winger with size, very aggressive. Bigger and better than Coughlin, but as with Coughlin, I cannot suggest a value.
  20. D Joey Laleggia, Bakersfield Condors (63, 8-19-27). Posted the best offensive numbers among Condors rookies this season, but is miles from famous. No trade value—yet.
  21. R Tyler Pitlick, Bakersfield Condors (37, 7-14-21). I will be the last to give up on him, but his value cannot be high at this time (RFA, could be gone for nothing).
  22. R Greg Chase, Bakersfield Condors (19, 1-6-7) and Norfolk Admirals (43, 18-19-37). He saw more ECHL than AHL, we will see if it was to his benefit in the next 12 months. He has a unique skill set, but needs to build value with an AHL season.
  23. D Ben Betker, Bakersfield Condors (14, 0-2-2) and Norfolk Admirals (49, 3-14-17). Like Chase, he is working on a building.
  24. G Eetu Laurikainen, Bakersfield Condors (18, 3.42 .907). As mention when discussing Brossoit, goalies do not have tremendous trade value in this era.
  25. L Braden Christoffer, Bakersfield Condors (33, 1-4-5). Ragged pro debut, working on resume.
  26. L Josh Winquist, Bakersfield Condors (35, 8-22-30). Oilers do not own his rights, he is a free agent, so they hold no trade value.
  27. C Marco Roy, Bakersfield Condors (42, 8-12-20). A strong half-season of two-way play, but he has no NHL contract. No trade value.
  28. F Tyler Vesel, Nebraska-Omaha (35, 6-12-18). He is a better player now (and then) than Liam Coughlin a year ago, but not as big.
  29. C Alexis Loiseau, Bakersfield Condors (12, 1-2-3) and Norfolk Admirals (54, 14-26-40). Not signed to an NHL deal, no trade value.
  30. G Zach Nagelvoort, Michigan (11, 2.99 .893). He has struggled since his draft day and I wonder if he gets signed at the end of his college career. No trade value.
  31. G Miroslav Svoboda, HC Sumperk (21, 3.05 .924). Broken record on goalies, he is building a resume.
  32. L Evan Campbell, U Mass-Lowell (28, 5-7-12). He is older than Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, question if he signs.
  33. L Aidan Muir, Western Michigan (35, 2-6-8). Not a lot to recommend him, still time to show something in college.

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121 Responses to "EVERY PROSPECT IN THE SYSTEM (AND POSSIBLE TRADE VALUE)"

  1. Richard S.S. says:

    Until the Stanley Cup is awarded, nothing of significance for the Oilers or anyone else will happen. Until the Cap is announced, we won’t known how rich the Oilers are with Cap Space.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Until the Stanley Cup is awarded, nothing of significance for the Oilers or anyone else will happen.Until the Cap is announced, we won’t known how rich the Oilers are with Cap Space.

    And I wrote a piece about trade value of prospects!

  3. AsiaOil says:

    D Griffin Reinhart, Edmonton Oilers (29, 0-1-1) and Bakersfield Condors (30, 2-8-10). Cost No. 16 and No. 33 a year ago, and he did not have a great year. That said, defensemen who are former high draft picks (somewhat) hold their value, I will say a second-round pick.

    ……not taking the bait 🙂

  4. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: And I wrote a piece about trade value of prospects!

    Could Bears contract negotiations stalling mean he may be had in a package for an NHL D?

    If they can’t sign him they better get something of value.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention: Could Bears contract negotiations stalling mean he may be had in a package for an NHL D?

    If they can’t sign him they better get something of value.

    I don’t think so, probably just a matter of bonus money.

  6. stush18 says:

    AsiaOil:
    D Griffin Reinhart, Edmonton Oilers (29, 0-1-1) and Bakersfield Condors (30, 2-8-10). Cost No. 16 and No. 33 a year ago, and he did not have a great year. That said, defensemen who are former high draft picks (somewhat) hold their value, I will say a second-round pick.

    ……not taking the bait

    Lol LT is deliberately trying to rile me up. I won’t touch this either, but I think players like moroz, yakimov, and musil would rate higher. Yak because of his size, musil and moroz because of there draft pedigree

  7. Oilspill says:

    Gordie Howe …what it boils down to is that it is a team game. The team takes shots. The team gives up shots. I love sportsnet real time zone stats. No that shows something tangible.

  8. jake70 says:

    18 yo Henderson from Ottawa area tied with Ko for lead at the ladies PGA major heading to 18….tense.

  9. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Wow, an “incomplete” score for 2nd rounder Moroz and a 5th for 2nd rounder Musil after several years of development time. That is painful, isn’t it?

    For the record I did not like either pick at the time and this is no surprise, but it is nonetheless unfortunate. P.S. my not liking the Musil pick has nothing to do with his dad, but the players who were available (I wanted Jenner and said it at the time–not hindsighting–others saw Saad falling and wanted him).

    That said am encouraged by Bear, Jones, Piyagin. It’s just a shame the early 2nd rounders: Pitlick, Lander, Musil, Moroz, haven’t been able to do more.

  10. Pescador says:

    Lowetide: And I wrote a piece about trade value of prospects!

    -Bill Maher; “to those of you who steal Internet porn, where do you get off?”

  11. GCW_69 says:

    OilClog: Neither Nuge or the Good Dr are in Halls supernova territory.

    Those are statiscal facts.

    Halls pushes the river, they tag along.

    Hall is going into year 6.

    You’re going to replace Hall with a Gord damn rookie, and it will be fine?

    Yea if we want to stay in the damn basement.

    Trading Hall for a defender and hoping the defender can sway the ice the way Hall does… Then who the hell is that defender passing it to.. A damn rookie?!?

    Taylor Hall is not being traded to address the defence unless he’s asked out.

    Nuge, Pouliot and Eberle as a line didn’t miss a beat without Hall two years ago. And I think the argument is you trade Hall and sign Lucic, not toss a out rookie there.

    On a per 82 game basis the team would be giving up 18 points on the left wing based on the last three seasons for both players. If you look at it in terms of adjusting for games played, that gap drops top six points per season.

    If you trade Hall you expect an elite defender coming back the other way. Subban and Lindholm being the ones that sorta might be available in trade.

    If you don’t think the Oilers could make up that 6 to 18 points lost on the wing and then some by adding a true top pairing defender who can tilt the ice the other way, then you probably haven’t been watching the Oilers closely enough the past six years.

  12. kinger_OIL says:

    – Great post LT!: In terms of trade assets, what do you think Davidson would garner (vs. Griff?)

  13. Lowetide says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – Great post LT!: In terms of trade assets, what do you think Davidson would garner (vs. Griff?)

    Davidson is tough, because the estimate (above) is not really about value, more about perceived return. I would guess Reinhart has more trade value than Davidson.

  14. flyfish1168 says:

    Hi LT

    I like the idea that every player or free agent signing can get us something. We only hope any player we draft can be traded higher than the position he was drafted and if we keep accumulating picks they can be combined for higher picks and so on. Now that would be value.

  15. stevezie says:

    If this game has even a single highlight i enjoy as much as Train-guy being told he sucks, I’ll be a happy fan.

    Related: Healey quoting The Hip is the first likeable thing I have ever heard him say.

  16. limit says:

    Griff should be worth a 1st rounder, he’ll be good next year and beyond just be patient with big D (don’t sell low).

    Jultzing caused 3 scoring chances in 1st period though Ron & Don just phrased him.

    LHD dmen can play RD too, what % of NHL d-men shoot left? I’d guess 60-70 pct.

  17. jake70 says:

    Golf update…:-) Henderson on first playoff hole puts her approach to within a couple feet……man.

  18. DRFNsuperstar says:

    limit:
    Griff should be worth a 1st rounder, he’ll be good next year and beyond just be patient with big D (don’t sell low).

    Jultzing caused3 scoring chances in 1st period though Ron & Don just phrased him.

    LHD dmen can play RD too, what % of NHL d-men shoot left? I’d guess 60-70 pct.

    I had the same opinion, 6% percent rule changed my view let’s not start this handiness conversation again. Unless you have a top pairing D playing offhand on the 2nd pairing or 2nd pairing guy on 3rd pairing you’re better off with correct handiness.

  19. Barcs says:

    I feel like it’s important to mention that struggling prospects are also often dealt for other struggling prospects.

    That would be my preferred method of dealing with Musil and Moroz, if they can find a taker.

  20. OilClog says:

    GCW_69,

    You’re comparing an entire line together from two seasons ago, against one player with 5 years of superior stats regardless of linemates.

    What will Halls total be with an actual top 4 D, this needs to be found out in Oilers silks, not some other teams preferably.

    As I’m willing to wager that Halls totals with actual top 4 D will crush Lucic, Pou, Maroon, or whoever’s name were throwing out there. Demolish them.

  21. limit says:

    DRFNsuperstar,

    Some LHD prefer to play offside, for example I believe Sergachev plays right side (easier one-timers) and would be a terrific pick.

    Great idea Lowetide to translate player value to draft picks – that is the NHL currency. Would be interesting to do same with NHL roster players. Then sum up total value of team’s assets. Could judge GM performance year over year by net increase/decrease in franchise’s asset values.

    For example, Pouliot, Fayne, Yak, Korp could be dumped to save 13m in cap space then sign Lucic, would be a positive gain in asset value if Lucic is worth 2 second rounders.

  22. blainer says:

    limit:
    Griff should be worth a 1st rounder, he’ll be good next year and beyond just be patient with big D (don’t sell low).

    Jultzing caused3 scoring chances in 1st period though Ron & Don just phrased him.

    LHD dmen can play RD too, what % of NHL d-men shoot left? I’d guess 60-70 pct.

    Jultz really looking like the guy we traded tonight. He is absolutely lost out there !

  23. Pescador says:

    Barcs:
    I feel like it’s important to mention that struggling prospects are also often dealt for other struggling prospects.

    That would be my preferred method of dealing with Musil and Moroz, if they can find a taker.

    Are they struggling prospects, or are they still figuring out pro hockey?
    5 year rule still applies for both, IINM.
    Pitlick has struggled, with injuries, maybe consistency.
    I just think they were uninspired draft choices that were always going to have a low ceiling.
    IMO
    But I also like the prospect swap, except when Tambellini calls it in. Fuck that guy.

  24. blainer says:

    The Pens need to keep Jultz on the bench or they ARE going back to Pittsburg..

  25. DRFNsuperstar says:

    blainer: Jultz really looking like the guy we traded tonight. He is absolutely lost out there !

    Now the question is do they realize it faster than Mactavish did? Because he just got dummied that entire shift and then Jultzed on the goal

  26. stevezie says:

    Letang has been amazing.

    He has cancelled out both Burns and Jultz

  27. RedArmy says:

    Thoughts on the following?

    Yakupov
    4th overall
    32nd overall

    To Columbus for

    Hartnell
    Rychel
    3rd overall

  28. DRFNsuperstar says:

    DRFNsuperstar: Now the question is do they realize it faster than Mactavish did? Because he just got dummied that entire shift and then Jultzed on the goal

    They’ve noticed, he’s done. Maybe plays 6 more minutes tonight

  29. Barcs says:

    Nice goal by Letang, but why were Dillon-Polak out there against Letang and Crosby at the face off? SJ knew PIT would try to push after Couture’s goal, they had last change.

    Coaching error, imo.

    **also, that SJ third pairing against PIT’s depth might be what decides this series. By eye it seems to me that most of Pittsburgh’s goals come against that pairing.

  30. blainer says:

    DRFNsuperstar: Now the question is do they realize it faster than Mactavish did? Because he just got dummied that entire shift and then Jultzed on the goal

    I am amazed they have kept playing him.. Honestly one of the worst games I’ve seen him play and there have been an awful lot..

  31. jake70 says:

    blainer: I am amazed they have kept playing him.. Honestly one of the worst games I’ve seen him play and there have been an awful lot..

    Haven’t caught much of the game, watching golf and news on the Florida nightmare but I did catch Ron McLean say “…I can’t believe how well Schultz is playing..”

  32. Chachi says:

    stevezie:
    Letang has been amazing.

    He has cancelled out both Burns and Jultz

    Letang is great. If only the Oilers could add one defenceman that good.

  33. DRFNsuperstar says:

    Have they changed the rules for linesmen? I watched probably 100 games this year and have not witnessed this many icings called off in all of them combined.

  34. BeerMe says:

    As if the decade of misery couldnt get any worse, that little shit Justin Schultz might actually lift the cup tonight. Gross.

  35. square_wheels says:

    blainer,

    I don’t think anyone at HNIC watches the game, they’re reading a TelePrompTer fed by 1000 chimpanzee’s.

  36. blainer says:

    BeerMe:
    As if the decade of misery couldnt get any worse, that little shit Justin Schultz might actually lift the cup tonight. Gross.

    Yup.. and the reason they will raise the cup tonight is because they have caught on to the Jultzing. Hasn’t played a shift in over 10 mins.. they are double shifting Letang..

  37. blainer says:

    square_wheels:
    blainer,

    I don’t think anyone at HNIC watches the game, they’re reading a TelePrompTer fed by 1000 chimpanzee’s.

    LOL… actually that makes a lot of sense..

  38. DRFNsuperstar says:

    They just slow mowed the Jultzing! Hahahahahahaha

  39. JimmyV1965 says:

    OilClog:
    GCW_69,

    You’re comparing an entire line together from two seasons ago, against one player with 5 years of superior stats regardless of linemates.

    What will Halls total be with an actual top 4 D, this needs to be found out in Oilers silks, not some other teams preferably.

    As I’m willing to wager that Halls totals with actual top 4 D will crush Lucic, Pou, Maroon, or whoever’s name were throwing out there. Demolish them.

    It won’t even be close. Imagine Hall with Getzlaf and Perry. No wonder they would be willing to trade Lindholm.

  40. square_wheels says:

    WHAT THE HELL !!! The Chimps got caught outside smoking , Kypreos just made some sense.

    Hurry, cut to Elliot.

    Pittsburg system play should be what they coach Nurse with. Less carrying the puck into congestion and then low % dumps and more quick passing to hold possession.

    I wonder if Tmac brings something new for season 2, he mentioned reflecting on his first season and making adjustments. This Pitt team hopefully influences the game more than Sutter’s LA heavy approach.

  41. square_wheels says:

    DRFNsuperstar,

    I love how he simultaneously sorta covered the pass, sorta covered the shooter, sorta blocked the shot……but just ended up screening the goalie.

    Classic.

  42. Dicky94 says:

    RedArmy,

    I like it. Would also throw in GR for Savard. Might have to sweeten it a bit more to make Columbus make that trade. Lots of teams will be pushing for that pick.

  43. stevezie says:

    square_wheels: This Pitt team hopefully influences the game more than Sutter’s LA heavy approach.

    Agreed, and not just because it’s better to watch. It suits the Oilers lineup so much better! The Pens are winning with one amazing defenceman and five average at best ones. good but not out-of-this-world goaltending.

    They have elite offensive talent up front and use fast cheap players to compliment them. It’s a perfect model for us to follow.

    This is the best game the Sharks have played this finals and they’re still lucky not to be down 3-1.

  44. Oilspill says:

    Chachi: Letang is great. If only the Oilers could add one defenceman that good.

    Letang is that good BECAUSE he plays on a team that supports in both ends and because of team speed. Why do you think Schultz is playing so well? his Corsi is way up do you think it might be because of the team and not him personally? Of course it is. It’s why corsi is such a poor individual stat.

  45. limit says:

    DRFNsuperstar: They’ve noticed, he’s done. Maybe plays 6 more minutes tonight

    Right on, poor Derrick Pouliot must be wondering how he’s not playing, can’t be a worse liability than the Jultz we know

  46. Pescador says:

    A Canadian girl just won an LPGA major!!
    Why hasn’t anyone mentioned anything about this all night??

  47. square_wheels says:

    stevezie,

    I will take quick and decisive D all day every day, over the net clearing Hatcher’s of the past (spits).

    That’s why I’d happily round out my top 8 D with an Oesterle and why Goligoski might be worth calling on July 1. If that means we have to ice a same handed pair or trade someone until we can source a RHD so be it.

    Too bad Brian Campbell isn’t a RHD.

  48. Water Fire says:

    GCW_69: Nuge, Pouliot and Eberle as a line didn’t miss a beat without Hall two years ago.And I think the argument is you trade Hall and sign Lucic, not toss a out rookie there.

    On a per 82 game basis the team would be giving up 18 points on the left wing based on the last three seasons for both players.If you look at it in terms of adjusting for games played, that gap drops top six points per season.

    If you trade Hall you expect an elite defender coming back the other way. Subban and Lindholm being the ones that sorta might be available in trade.

    If you don’t think the Oilers could make up that 6 to 18 points lost on the wing and then some by adding a true top pairing defender who can tilt the ice the other way, then you probably haven’t been watching the Oilers closely enough the past six years.

    It’s not points, it’s fire.

    The difference between McDavid and Hall and the others is a unique kind of inner drive. I feel sorry for McDavid (in a tiny little part of my very hockey selfish heart) because he is so driven – all the time, any season. I don’t think there is amything else for him, at all, in any real way.

    All of the players who rise above this league of very eilte hockey athletes are like that.

    The Oilers have some great players, but I don’t see anybody who has that different thing right now. Leon might have it, but it remains to be seen, and that makes him different from Hall and McDavid who established it first year. Leon was great, but not at that level.

    Nuge has incredible drive but what the outcome is of it hasn’t shown, or Klefbom from hurt.

    This territory is where GM legends are made and lost. No wonder so many here are sweating this summer and not just for the temperature.

  49. Магия 10 says:

    Pens down to playing 5 D for some reason probably only understood by Oilers fans.

  50. Pescador says:

    blainer: I am amazed they have kept playing him.. Honestly one of the worst games I’ve seen him play and there have been an awful lot..

    As a Penguin, or all time?
    Stanley Cup engraver: “How do you spell Jultz?”

  51. thehop says:

    Pescador,

    You just did…

    And I’m not going to apologize for not caring because the Stanley Cup Finals are on…

    Good lord

  52. thehop says:

    That slash was epic!!!!

  53. Lowetide says:

    Pescador:
    A Canadian girl just won an LPGA major!!
    Why hasn’t anyone mentioned anything about this all night??

    Amazing story. I had Bob Weeks on my show all last year, he was raving about her. Outstanding story.

  54. square_wheels says:

    Water Fire,

    I think Hall has some of that fire left, it was definitely there when he entered the league. However, 6 years of this team can douse it and now it feels like with McDavid arriving they make him the priority and Hall would likely feel a bit frustrated that they left it this long.

    He’s been passed over for THE Canadian team when clearly he was dominate in the WC. My concern with him, is that beyond the 4th overall he’s likely our top trade chip for the D Chia clearly wants and he’s not Chia’s 1st overall selection. My brain hurts thinking about how we balance this roster without ruining one part of it.

    We may never know what’s been said behind closed doors but If we’re (ok, just me) talking about feeling this way, imagine what has been said in anger or frustration in the room or in an exit interview.

  55. square_wheels says:

    Thank Christ Crosby is going to shave that beard soon !

  56. square_wheels says:

    Martin Jones is a fucking savage.

  57. Pescador says:

    thehop:
    Pescador,

    You just did…

    And I’m not going to apologize for not caring because the Stanley Cup Finals are on…

    Good lord

    Haha, it was a joke brother.
    My man jake70 posted about her in the thread a couple times.
    Amazing story, amazing golfer!
    I’m a fan of Canadian champs in any sport.

  58. thehop says:

    Anyone know where a guy could find even strength scoring stats for the playoffs?

  59. stush18 says:

    Who do we think wins conn smythe?

    If San Jose loses tonight and Pitt doesn’t score again then I’m saying Jones.

  60. thehop says:

    Pescador,

    Shitty thing about the Internet is its hard to know when one is joking or not.. LT needs emojis to iron this out 🙂

  61. square_wheels says:

    Man, I hope someday I can feel like a Pens fan right now.

    Edit – posted before the EN goal

  62. stush18 says:

    Seriously glen Healy can fuxk off. There isn’t anyone in tv that grinds my gears worse, and my gf watches the kardashians.

    A chimp would be more insightful.

  63. frjohnk says:

    Crosby MVP?

  64. thehop says:

    Way to go Pittsburg!!!

    You have now given The Oilers and their fans a reason to abandon the Chicago/LA template in favour of speed and speed.

  65. Rondo says:

    I picked the Penguins to win the cup , not many here did.

  66. frjohnk says:

    Good for Schultz

  67. thehop says:

    Murray wins the Conn Smythe

  68. flyfish1168 says:

    Congratulations Justin Schultz. After what you went through and perceived

  69. Chachi says:

    Oilspill: Letang is that good BECAUSE he plays on a team that supports in both ends and because of team speed. Why do you think Schultz is playing so well? his Corsi is way up do you think it might be because of the team and not him personally? Of course it is. It’s why corsi is such a poor individual stat.

    By no measure was Schultz playing “well”. Happy for him tonight though, could not have been a fun year for him before the trade.

  70. frjohnk says:

    thehop:
    Way to go Pittsburg!!!

    You have now given The Oilers and their fans a reason to abandon the Chicago/LA template in favour of speed and speed.

    The Pens template for the last two cups is also to fire the coach they started the year with mid season.

  71. thehop says:

    frjohnk,

    Does Eakins count?

  72. DRFNsuperstar says:

    Phil Kessel and Justin Schultz win a cup after being boo’d out of town, team sports are fun.

  73. frjohnk says:

    thehop:
    frjohnk,

    Does Eakins count?

    We won McDavid.

  74. square_wheels says:

    Bettman gets what he always deserves.

  75. thehop says:

    Haha. I love watching Bettman squirm!!!!

  76. Ryan says:

    Oilspill: Letang is that good BECAUSE he plays on a team that supports in both ends and because of team speed. Why do you think Schultz is playing so well? his Corsi is way up do you think it might be because of the team and not him personally? Of course it is. It’s why corsi is such a poor individual stat.

    Schultz had a Corsi for of 35% with a zone start of 75%

  77. russ99 says:

    Congrats to the Pens and Justin Schultz.

    From useless and derided to having his name on the cup, pretty sweet for the few of us that stood by him while the rest ran him out of town on a rail.

  78. thehop says:

    frjohnk,

    Touché

  79. Oilspill says:

    Congratulations to Justin (your corsi sucks) Schultz. You must have got a lot better after leaving us.

  80. square_wheels says:

    Did Crosby cut chunks of Brett Burns beard off and glue them on ?

  81. Pretendergast says:

    Classic sharks fans, boo the crap out of the cup champs.

    Just applaud and be glad your team even got to 6

  82. square_wheels says:

    Trevor Daley ???? HNIC script is ruined or Glenn Healey is a jackass ?

  83. Pescador says:

    Justin Shultz, Stanley Cup Champion. Let that marinate for a sec. while I go get a rusty gardening tool to gouge out my eye!
    I worked for this company for 20 years, started sweeping the floors in the back. Worked my ass off & kept my mouth shut. Put myself through school, it was hard on me and my family. I finally made executive assistant. A week later upper management walks in this pencilneck geek, college graduate with a degree in Sociology. My new boss, a month goes by, he shows up at the office wearing a turtleneck with the flu. I got sick on the Wednesday, I stayed home, y’know because it’s contagious. The office won the lottery that Friday, he is now a millionaire. I still work as an assistant.
    Ladies & Gentlemen
    Justin Shultz.

  84. Oilspill says:

    If you think that your teammates doesn’t affect your corsi your delusional. It’s a terrible individual stat.

    Ryan: Schultz had a Corsi for of 35% with a zone start of 75%

  85. jake70 says:

    Pescador:
    Justin Shultz, Stanley Cup Champion. Let that marinate for a sec. while I go get a rusty gardening tool to gouge out my eye!
    I worked for this company for 20 years, started sweeping the floors in the back. Worked my ass off & kept my mouth shut. Put myself through school, it was hard on me and my family. I finally made executive assistant. A week later upper management walks in this pencilneck geek, college graduate with a degree in Sociology. My new boss, a month goes by, he shows up at the office wearing a turtleneck with the flu. I got sick on the Wednesday, I stayed home, y’know because it’s contagious. The office won the lottery that Friday, he is now a millionaire. I still work as an assistant.
    Ladies & Gentlemen
    Justin Shultz.

    Lol, I was going to mention rusty razor blades but yeah gardening tool would work. Jesus.

  86. jake70 says:

    square_wheels:
    Bettman gets what he always deserves.

    I find this really awkword, he doesnt’ care but if I am an owner I might whisper in his ear some time to pass that duty on.

  87. Lowetide says:

    Congratulations to the Penguins, that was a helluva run from December to June. Schultz was wobbly many times, but credit to him, he had a chance to get into the lineup and gave great effort. I am happy for him, hope he lands in a good spot this summer.

  88. stevezie says:

    Oilspill,

    Not really. His Corsi still sucks

  89. Dicky94 says:

    Time to make a run for Burns. San Jose won’t be back to the finals for sometime. I would think they might blow it up for a quick rebuild. Thornton and Marleau look finished.

  90. blainer says:

    Just goes to show what a great team the Pens are. They won with 5 D and Jultz…

    I am happy for him though sooo congrats !!!

  91. stevezie says:

    Re: Schutlz
    He’s not a good NHLer (on any team), but he seems like a fine guy.

    It’s like spending a lot of time and energy on a relationship, only she never really responds or tries hard back. So you split, and she immediately hooks up with a millionaire dong-model.

    She didn’t exactly do you wrong, and you’re no worse off, but you might have an instinct to shake your head.

  92. Johnny skid says:

    i hope yak has the same fortune next season as shultz did this season.

  93. flyfish1168 says:

    Justin Schultz & Phil Kessel both crawled through 500 yards of shit and came out clean at the other end with a Stanley cup

  94. Chachi says:

    stevezie:
    Re: Schutlz
    He’s not a good NHLer (on any team), but he seems like a fine guy.

    It’s like spending a lot of time and energy on a relationship, only she never really responds or tries hard back. So you split, and she immediately hooks up with a millionaire dong-model.

    She didn’t exactly do you wrong, and you’re no worse off, but you might have an instinct to shake your head.

    “Millionaire dong-model” is high poetry. That whole passage brought a tear to my eye.

  95. Gret99zky says:

    Lowetide:
    Congratulations to the Penguins, that was a helluva run from December to June. Schultz was wobbly many times, but credit to him, he had a chance to get into the lineup and gave great effort. I am happy for him, hope he lands in a good spot this summer.

    Congratulations to Justin Schultz.

    Now watch, MacT/Howson will get into Chia’s ear and pump Jultz as a bonafide #2 RHD. Norris potential. And has a Stanley on his resume. “We could probably get him with the #4 pick.”

  96. Mr DeBakey says:

    Oilspill: Congratulations to Justin (your corsi sucks) Schultz. You must have got a lot better after leaving us.

    No he did not get better.
    He is and was a mediocre 3rd-pairing RHD.

  97. jake70 says:

    Tom Poti must be having a good chuckle.

  98. Gerta Rauss says:

    Congrats to the Pens and Justin Schultz

    One of these years I hope that’s us celebrating out there

  99. Lowetide says:

    Gret99zky: Congratulations to Justin Schultz.

    Now watch, MacT/Howson will get into Chia’s ear and pump Jultz as a bonafide #2 RHD.Norris potential.And has a Stanley on his resume.“We could probably get him with the #4 pick.”

    The great thing about having a veteran coach is that he saw it and recognized the problem*

    *except for Lauri Korpikoski

  100. smellyglove says:

    Congrats to the pens. They deserved that cup, boy oh boy.

    Sorry, I don’t wish Justin Schultz well actually. He’s a spoiled little brat who got a big paycheque and he mailed it in 95% of his time with the Oilers. Did not give a damn or care about playing a team or competitive game. (spits)

  101. Skeeziks says:

    Really too bad that so many posters have hard feelings about Schultz. The fact however remains that he has a Stanley Cup championship to his credit. In my eyes that makes him a world champion. Congratulations.

  102. Pescador says:

    stevezie,

    millionaire dong-model.
    That’s brilliant, although I understand why she left me.
    I’m just a thousandaire who writes for the model magazine

  103. Pescador says:

    Skeeziks:
    Really too bad that so many posters have hard feelings about Schultz. The fact however remains that he has a Stanley Cup championship to his credit. In my eyes that makes him a world champion. Congratulations.

    Honestly it cuts, but not as deep as your suggesting, please don’t let our sour grapes take away from your enjoyment of Justin’s victory.

  104. --hudson-- says:

    Imagine how insecure we would be feeling if the DeBoer Sharks won Stanley!

    I’m happy for J Schultz. Also happy that other GMs will consider the potential of unlocking a Yakupov, RNH, Nurse, etc and what that means in trade value.

  105. slopitch says:

    That Penguins team must be the template the oilers use going forward. Need to convert Yak into Hagelin and find a Letang and really we aren’t that far off.

    Crosby has become an absolute two way gem. I thought Kessel would win the conn Smyth but Crosby was the best player.

  106. GCW_69 says:

    OilClog:
    GCW_69,

    You’re comparing an entire line together from two seasons ago, against one player with 5 years of superior stats regardless of linemates.

    What will Halls total be with an actual top 4 D, this needs to be found out in Oilers silks, not some other teams preferably.

    As I’m willing to wager that Halls totals with actual top 4 D will crush Lucic, Pou, Maroon, or whoever’s name were throwing out there. Demolish them.

    Doesn’t matter how well Hall does elsewhere if the return on a trade fixes the defence and helps turn the team into a winner. It’s a team game. Balance matters. Defence matters. Since we don’t know the trade return, we can only guess the impact on the team. I believe an oilers team with Subban or Lindholm at the cost of Hall is still a better overall team. If the Oilers trade Hall for less than that calibre a player then they are morons. Hall is amazing. We will see what they do.

    By the way. Nuge, over the last three years has, at 5×5, run 1.60 points per 60 with Hall, and 1.64 without him and he has played slightly more than half his even strength minutes away from Hall. Nuge seems to hang tough on his own.

  107. stevezie says:

    Johnny skid:
    i hope yak has the same fortune next season as shultz did this season.

    Me too

    Mr DeBakey,

    His toi leads me to call your description generous. But I think he has the tools to get there!

    Chachi,
    Pescador,
    Thanks

  108. stevezie says:

    Oilspill:
    Congratulations to Justin (your corsi sucks) Schultz. You must have got a lot better after leaving us.

    I think you missed Bruce’s point and he is too productive to correct you. Not me!

    To me, “90% of players are 45-55%” means most guys are comparable in skill. So anyone really far above or below that is probably really good or really bad. Passable players playing with passable teammates should fall into that range. Teammates aren’t likely to drag you above or below it, because they’re that good too.

    So Schultz’s (or anyone’s) corsi being in the basement is at least somewhat on him. Just as Thornton’s being consistently sky high is on him. Most of the guys they play with are 45-55 %.

    You get dragged to the middle, not to the top or bottom.

    Also, you’re wrong about Schultz. His Corsi is still abysmal. However, Pittsburgh is in a much better position to play to his strengths (skating, not panicking). Also, I’d say he has gotten slightly better as I may have seen him take more slapshots this spring than in the four years before.

  109. highgloveside says:

    Lowetide,

    If Reinhart has more perceived value than Davidson, could you get a Severson back in return? IMO he is similar to the status of Davidson and he would help the right side while triming a very crouded left side.

  110. highgloveside says:

    I don’t get how you award Crosby the Con Smythe??? 19 pts in 24 games, -2, 4 assists in Finals, 2 assists against WSH. So their 2 most difficult matchups on paper he gets 6 assists in 12 games. not even a goal. Sorry but that isn’t close to good enough. Crosby played well below the level people expect of him

    I hate it when they feel they have to choose from the winning team unless the rare time it is a goalie fro the losing team. Brent Burns was by far the most valuable player to his team during the entire playoffs. His play got the past LAK, ANA and STL, these were 3 of the top 5 teams favoured to win the cup

    I would rank to 3 nominees should ahve been Burns, Couture (11 more pts that Crosby) and Murray as if he wouldn’t has played as solid a the back up rookie they would never gave gotten past either of the first or second rounds

  111. OilClog says:

    GCW_69: Doesn’t matter how well Hall does elsewhere if the return on a trade fixes the defence and helps turn the team into a winner. It’s a team game. Balance matters. Defence matters.Since we don’t know the trade return, we can only guess the impact on the team.I believe an oilers team with Subban or Lindholm at the cost of Hall is still a better overall team.If the Oilers trade Hall for less than that calibre a player then they are morons. Hall is amazing. We will see what they do.

    By the way. Nuge, over the last three years has, at 5×5, run 1.60 points per 60 with Hall, and 1.64 without him and he has played slightly more than half his even strength minutes away from Hall.Nuge seems to hang tough on his own.

    it does matter, since you began with Halls production can be replaced.

    I believe finding two competent D to add to this team without sacrificing Taylor Hall to do it, is the smart bet to build a more balanced competitive team.

    McDavid will push a line, Hall will push a line. The Oilers have two first line pushers, where the opposition is firmly on their heals.

    With top 4 D, that will be 65-70% of every game the Oilers have a first tier river crusher on the ice with top 4 D.

    Nuge plays with Pou and Ebs when not with Hall.

    Hall was making a scorer out of Lander.

    I love Nuge but Hall is the superior player, after Hall the oilers are not anywhere near as strong on the wing as they are up the middle. nor are you finding anything close to Taylor Hall in the ufa market.

    Pouliot doesn’t play full seasons
    Maroon had a few hot weeks

    That’s the legit depth on the Oilers currently.

    If you bring in Lucic to replace Pou.

    Hall Drai
    Lucic McD

    With all the options out there for the Oilers to chase on D, moving Hall to make this team more balance is in my view nothing more then a lateral move and we midst well wave the white flag.

  112. highgloveside says:

    of the top 10 prospects, Clendenning is the only guy you consider trading cause he doesn’t seem to fill a need. As for the rest, the return on trading them does not come close to potential value and those estimates wont be much, if any different that last year. I expect they weed out the guys who haven’t shown much over the past 3-4 years that they will get better and they will be replaces it different style prospects with size, grit and skill

  113. limit says:

    slopitch:
    That Penguins team must be the template the oilers use going forward. Need to convert Yak into Hagelin and find a Letang and really we aren’t that far off.

    Crosby has become an absolute two way gem. I thought Kessel would win the conn Smyth but Crosby was the best player.

    Crosby = McDavid
    Malkin = Draisaitl
    Kessel = Hall
    Bonino = Nuge
    Hornqvist = Lucic
    Kunitz = Maroon
    Hagelin = Ebs
    Sheary = Caggiula
    Rust = Slepyshev (Tkachuk)
    Cullen = Letestu
    Fehr = Hendricks
    Kuhnackl = Pakarinen

    Letang = Klefbom
    Dumolin = Sekera
    Lovejoy = Davidson
    Maata = Nurse
    Cole = Reinhart
    Jultz = Osterle

    Murray = Talbot

    Subtract $12m: Pouliot, Yak, Fayne, Korp
    Add $6m: Lucic

  114. Lowetide says:

    highgloveside:
    of the top 10 prospects, Clendenning is the only guy you consider trading cause he doesn’t seem to fill a need.As for the rest, the return on trading them does not come close to potential value and those estimates wont be much, if any different that last year.I expect they weed out the guys who haven’t shown much over the past 3-4 years that they will get better and they will be replaces it different style prospects with size, grit and skill

    Clendening is RHD, so does fill a need—even if it is first recall from Bakersfield.

  115. RandomPoster says:

    stevezie: Also, you’re wrong about Schultz. His Corsi is still abysmal.

    I believe Schultz’s Corsi was around 50% on the Oilers for most of the year. Last year with Klefbom it was higher.

  116. Lowetide says:

    highgloveside:
    Lowetide,

    If Reinhart has more perceived value than Davidson, could you get a Severson back in return?IMO he is similar to the status of Davidson and he would help the right side while triming a very crouded left side.

    I think that is a very good point you have made here. I agree. Reinhart probably gets that done.

  117. stevezie says:

    RandomPoster,

    I overstated and am ashamed.

    His Corsi was quite poor tonight, but i suppose we all have off days

  118. thurmtim says:

    LT, love your columns, as always. If I could make a humble request… perhaps a title/song reference for tomorrow’s post… “Here Comes The Flood” by Peter Gabriel? Always a big fan, love to see it someday!

  119. russ99 says:

    limit: Crosby = McDavid
    Malkin = Draisaitl
    Kessel = Hall
    Bonino = Nuge
    Hornqvist = Lucic
    Kunitz = Maroon
    Hagelin = Ebs
    Sheary = Caggiula
    Rust = Slepyshev (Tkachuk)
    Cullen = Letestu
    Fehr = Hendricks
    Kuhnackl = Pakarinen

    Letang = Klefbom
    Dumolin = Sekera
    Lovejoy = Davidson
    Maata = Nurse
    Cole = Reinhart
    Jultz = Osterle

    Murray = Talbot

    Subtract $12m: Pouliot, Yak, Fayne, Korp
    Add $6m: Lucic

    Except none of the replacements other than maybe the top 4 are even close to their Pens player in defensive zone play and more succinctly what made the Pens the champions: tenacity on the forecheck by all 5 skaters.

    Too many floaters on D and too many hurrying back when we lose the puck on O.

  120. rickithebear says:

    Pitsburgh +/-
    #4 Bonino 24gm +9; 14 EVP; 3 PPP; 1 SHP; 2 GWG
    #4 Hagelin 24gm +9; 15 EVP; 1 PPP; 2 1st G; 1 GWG
    #11 Rust 23gm +7; 9 EVP; 2 1st G; 1 GWG
    #15 Letang 23gm +6: 9 EVP; 5 PPP; 1 SHP; 1 GWG
    #15 Cole 24gm +6; 3 EVP; 1 1stG;
    #20 Kessel 24gm +5; 11 EVP; 11 PPP; 4 1stG;
    #20 Maata 18gm +5; 6 EVP; 1 PPP
    #20 Lovejoy 24gm +5; 6 EVP; 1 1stG;
    #36 Cullen 24gm +3; 6 EVP; 1 1stG; 2 GWG
    #51 Kunitz 24gm +2; 8 EVP; 4 PPP
    #73 Malkin 24gm +1; 9 EVP; 9 PPP; 1 GWG
    #73 Daley 15gm +1; 4 EVP; 2 PPP
    #73 Kuhnhackl 24gm +1; 4 EVP; 1 SHP; 1 GWG
    #73 J. Schultz 15gm +1; 1 EVP; 3 PPP
    #73 Pouliot 2gm +1
    #123 Sundquist 2gm +1
    #189 Sheary 23gm -1; 9 EVP; 1 PPP; 1 GWG
    #189 Fehr 23gm -1; 4 EVP; 1 1stG; 2 GWG
    #245 Crosby 24gm -2; 10 EVP; 9 PPP; 3 GWG
    #245 Bennett 1gm -2
    #283 Dumoulin 24gm -3; 6 EVP; 2 PPP; 2 1stG;
    #316 Hornquist 24gm -5; 10 EVP; 3 PPP; 2 1stG; 1 GWG

    Crosby clearly won ithe conn smythe for leadership!
    Just llike Toews!
    I can see the exact same speech!
    “Ok boys! I am sucking at even! You go win it for us!”

    True leaders!

  121. limit says:

    rickithebear,

    Crosby faced very tough QualComp, could you factor it in? PPP help win games (a goal is a goal) so shouldn’t ignore (eg Tkachuk). How do you quantify determination? I guess intangibles are the residuals.

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