LONDON CALLING

At the 2016 NHL Entry Draft, the storylines for Oilers fans will be myriad. Aside from the obvious (will they trade the No. 4 pick or No. 4???) there are a bunch of cool connections—or possible connections.

MCDAVID’S TEAMMATES

Connor McDavid put Erie on the map (probably, I still don’t know where the hell it is) and a bunch of his teammates from the Otters are draft eligible this year. Using my list, here are the players and their rank:

  • 15 R Alex DeBrincat, Erie Otters (OHL): Small sniper, McDavid’s winger in 2014-15. He is a real shooter, someone the Oilers might consider—except he is extremely likely to be gone in the first round (after Edmonton picks). If you hear a trade announced around the middle of round 1 and the Oilers get a second pick on the Friday night, this could be it.
  • 24 R Taylor Raddysh, Erie Otters (OHL). Power W who can score, he has size and plays a good two-way game. From the scouting reports I have read, he appears to have a range of skills but is not dominant offensively. Could slide to No. 32 and is a name to keep in mind.
  • 45 L Kyle Maksimovich, Erie Otters (OHL). Small, very skilled player. Stepped up in a big way season over season, posted over a point per game in his draft season.
  • 105 RD Jordan Sambrook, Erie Otters (OHL). Solid two-way D, capable with or without the puck. He did not play with the Otters a year ago, but had a good interview with the Oilers at the combine.
  • NR RD Darren Raddysh, Erie Otters (OHL). Two-way D, Brock Otten likes him. Good defender, can make a good first pass. His last two OHL seasons saw him post 48 and 40 points.

LONDON CALLING

The London Knights provided hockey fans with great entertainment at the Memorial Cup, and the number of quality draft eligibles was crazy. I wonder if the Oilers (or another team) would consider running the table with this group.

  • 5 L Matthew Tkachuk: NHLE of 49 points and he flew out to Alberta for a wild Memorial Cup audition. Offensive winger who can win battles, what I noticed about him was his passing ability. Did not expect it, and along with a nice shot he has excellent vision. Defensive acumen and speed are discussion points, but the bet here is that he is already an Oiler—we are just waiting to make it official.
  • 8 LD Olli Juolevi: Among the top ranked defenders at this year’s draft, he is my favorite. You will go years without seeing a teenage defender pass as well as Juolevi. His tape to tape passes on the fly are beyond gorgeous, he is splendid at it. Word is he made excellent progress defensively and I think he will be a star.
  • 29 L Max Jones: Otten calls him a throwback PF. He is kind of scary in full flight, he is a load and can move. Aggressive in all areas, he has some real skill too. Might be John Tonelli, might be Raffi Torres.
  • 35 G Tyler Parsons: He looks substantial based on numbers. .921. He is not big, but has a great glove and is acrobatic. I thought they were coaching that out of kids, but it is refreshing for old timers like me.
  • 46 LD Victor Mete: Fantastic skater, he seems to be everywhere. I would say he is a chaos defenseman but do not know his game that well. Suspect there is work to do without the puck.
  • 103 C Cliff Pu: Fast two-way center, I think he is a little shy offensively but he spiked late. So, a team that takes a risk in the top 50 might be getting a bona fide speed demon with real skill. A dangerous player in that way.
  • NR RD Nicholas Mattinen: Huge shutdown defender with a monster shot from the point. A somewhat unusual skill set, but he is rated by many scouting lists.

WHO SAILS ON FIRST?

My guess is Nail Yakupov, suspect an Eastern Conference destination. Montreal? New York? Philadelphia? Don’t know. The Flyers first-round pick is at No. 18, so one would suspect the pick would not be in play. Habs pick at No. 9, there might be something there, but I keep coming back to acquiring a RHD in the deal—Habs have P.K. Subban and Jeff Petry, but they are not coming here.

Almost all of the rumors (Lucic, Tkachuk, Sanheim) are lefties—suggesting we may see some roster talent heading out to get balance. Or, and this is possible, the Oilers are willing to run lefties on right side.

CHIARELLI’S NEEDS LIST

  1. Top-pairing D to partner with Klefbom (Jason Demers, Travis Hamonic)
  2. Second-pairing RHD to partner with Sekera (Tyson Barrie, Sami Vatanen)
  3. Acquire RHC with some skill (Andrew Shaw)
  4. Backup goalie (Chad Johnson)

There are other items (re-stock the system, etc) but these are the main issues over the next month. I encourage you to look at Jason Demers. He is not Bobby Orr, but he can play and all he costs is money. Is it better to overpay Demers, or to deal your second best player for a somewhat better option? I think the answer is Jason Demers.

CHIARELLI’S AVAILABLE LIST (UPDATED)

  1. Nail Yakupov
  2. Taylor Hall
  3. Jordan Eberle
  4. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  5. Benoit Pouliot
  6. Cap space
  7. Mark Fayne
  8. Griffin Reinhart
  9. No. 4 overall selection
  10. 2017 1st round selection

I have shuffled the list quite a bit, things are coming into view. The No. 4 overall selection seems less likely to be dealt, suspect the team will select Matt Tkachuk if he is still there. Nail Yakupov moves to No. 1, because it makes sense that he goes first, possibly a week or more before the draft (picks may be involved).

I have taken Darnell Nurse off the list, it was always a long shot and in reviewing things there simply isn’t a reason to believe they are contemplating dealing him. Nurse is a long-term solution for Edmonton. I have also deleted Leon Draisaitl, mostly because the team has control of him inside the McDavid window—and that cluster is the most important one. The $6 million trio move up (if No. 4 overall is not used, someone is going) and I have Hall ahead of Eberle and Nuge.

BUYOUTS BEGIN WEDNESDAY

Oilers candidates include Andrew Ference and Lauri Korpikoski, but I think we may see LTIR for the former Bruin. Korpikoski is a fascinating case. Despite clear evidence he has eroded to the point of being one of the poorest possession forwards in the game.

One of the reasons a team looks for a veteran coach is situations like this one. In the heat of battle, middle of the season, it is somewhat predictable to see a coach go with his veterans. In the clear light of day, when looking at Corsi or shot volume, it would be impossible to proceed with this player.

I suspect that if Korpikoski is not bought out, the plan is to bring him to camp and have him fight for an NHL job—with Bakersfield a handy option. That said, all evidence points to Todd McLellan trusting this player, and we do not know the metrics used by the coaching staff in assessment. Interesting follow.

OILERS MOCK, TWELVE DAYS OUT

  • No. 4 overall— L Matthew Tkachuk, London Knights (OHL): With an NHLE of 49 points, a brilliant Memorial Cup performance and a skill set made for Connor McDavid, it is over. Only the Columbus Blue Jackets—or a team willing to trade up to No. 3 and take Tkachuk—can stop this train.
  • No. 32 overall—R Taylor Raddysh, Erie Otters (OHL). Power W who can score, posted an NHLE of 29 points this season. Fits a need, so qualifies as an Oilers second rounder (they always pick for need).
  • No. 63 overall—RD Filip Berglund, Skelleftea AIK (SEL). A big defender (6.03, 209) with a nice range of skills. He may appear to be a somewhat risky pick based on some rankings, but our own Swedish Poster has given me plenty of reason to like him here. He improved markedly season over season and would be a value pick here in my opinion.
  • No. 84 overall—RD Jordan Sambrook, Erie Otters (OHL). Solid two-way D, may be undervalued.
  • No. 91 overall—RC Dylan Gambrell, U of Denver (NCAA). Fast, skilled, brilliant.
  • No. 123 overallC Tyler Steenbergen, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). Spiked in-season. He is not a big player, but has a range of skills. I have him No. 62 on my list, but doubt he goes before the sixth round—and he may not be drafted at all.
  • No. 149 overallLD Sebastian Aho, Skelleftea (SHL). Undersized, puck moving D.
  • No. 153 overall—L Brandon Hagel, Red Deer Rebels (WHL). Skill W, undersized.
  • No. 183 overall—R Egor Babenko, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Small, very skilled and represents terrific value here.
  • My list.

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130 Responses to "LONDON CALLING"

  1. dustrock says:

    Will Aho get drafted this year lol.

  2. Jethro Tull says:

    “…. but he can play and all he costs is money.”

    I just can’t get my head around this. All Milan Lucic would cost is money, but there have been all kinds of posts extolling why we shouldn’t sign him.

    UFAs don’t just cost money. They cost term and take up a roster space. So, if you’re a building team and you want to sign one for $6M x 6yrs, you better make damn sure he’s the guy. I mean, THE guy.

    I would sign Demers for that, but no NMC and leave him open to expansion if there could be a better option down the road or one of the prospects comes through.

    Baby steps, and I don’t see Demers as the answer to our problems. I see him as an expensive stop gap.

  3. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    The main reason I love the Babs pick is that it means he likely sticks around in Lethbridge for another year. That would be nice.

  4. Jethro Tull says:

    Okay, I get that Jultz is now a Stanley Cup champion. He doesn’t derserve it, but he also didn’t deserve the vitriol that came his way at the end of his Edmonton career.

    But how does Sid get the Conn Smythe? Even he seemed a bit embarrassed and he seemed to accept it on behalf of the team rather than himself, to give him credit.

  5. Coffeys_Messy_eh says:

    Apologies for the thread jack, but I saw some love for Brooke Henderson in the last thread, and thought I’d chime in here to say that I teach at the high school in Smiths Falls that she should still be attending right now, had she not graduated early with stellar marks through hard work and focus. The phrase “couldn’t happen to a nicer person” gets thrown around a lot, but in this case it is entirely apt. What a kid. Also, she can golf a little.

  6. Ducey says:

    I will be interested to see what happens with Justin Schultz.

    He has a Stanley now but played just 7:33 last night; 6:14 at evens.

    The game before that he played 11:51; 10:51 EV

    And the game before that he was 10:19; 9:41 EV

    I can’t see PIT signing him as an RFA at $4 M, but maybe they let him go to UFA and then sign him for a few years at a lower annual salary.

    Not sure how Letang didn’t get the Conn Smythe. The guy was playing half of each of the games.

  7. Lowetide says:

    Jethro Tull:
    “…. but he can play and all he costs is money.”

    I just can’t get my head around this.All Milan Lucic would cost is money, but there have been all kinds of posts extolling why we shouldn’t sign him.

    UFAs don’t just cost money.They cost term and take up a roster space.So, if you’re a building team and you want to sign one for $6M x 6yrs, you better make damn sure he’s the guy.I mean, THE guy.

    I would sign Demers for that, but no NMC and leave him open to expansion if there could be a better option down the road or one of the prospects comes through.

    Baby steps, and I don’t see Demers as the answer to our problems.I see him as an expensive stop gap.

    Lucic does not address a need. Demers does, and we don’t know the contract terms that will be required. Demers does not address the offensive side of the issue on defense, but he is a solid option. And it DOES matter that he does not require assets to procure.

    The Oilers need to grow their own top pairing defensemen, but Demers is an excellent stop gap until they are home. Signing Lucic and trading Hall might be the alternative, and I would prefer not to go that way.

    Difficult decisions for Chiarelli.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Coffeys_Messy_eh:
    Apologies for the thread jack, but I saw some love for Brooke Henderson in the last thread, and thought I’d chime in here to say that I teach at the high school in Smiths Falls that she should still be attending right now, had she not graduated early with stellar marks through hard work and focus.The phrase “couldn’t happen to a nicer person” gets thrown around a lot, but in this case it is entirely apt.What a kid.Also, she can golf a little.

    It is a massive story. Sandra Post won in maybe 1970, and then crickets. Monster story.

  9. errorjordan says:

    Since we are projecting Tkachuk at No. 4 it’s reasonable to believe that he returns to London next season. Assuming his two other line mates are playing at the professional level how would we analyze a season in which he is surrounded with lesser talent and those gaudy numbers are likely diminished?

  10. dustrock says:

    Will the Oilers send Tkachuk back to junior? Gord knows this organization often chooses not to.

  11. Lowetide says:

    errorjordan:
    Since we are projecting Tkachuk at No. 4 it’s reasonable to believe that he returns to London next season.Assuming his two other line mates are playing at the professional level how would we analyze a season in which he is surrounded with lesser talent and those gaudy numbers are likely diminished?

    Interesting question. London is likely to have a formidable 1line though, they are a factory.

  12. thehop says:

    LT, you have the six million dollar men headed out of town before the 4#. I’m wondering if you think the player we draft at 4 will be better than either of those men at some point down the road or if those men have better value on the market to address team needs.

    I ask because I can’t wrap my head around the idea of this team puttting the time, effort and resources to draft/develop players Only to trade them for less than full value. It has been the MO of this organization since the end of the Sather days and te biggest reason why the Oilers have been eating shit for te last 10 years.

  13. thehop says:

    I’m on my phone and I have fat fingers… Please ignore the grammar and spelling

  14. jonrmcleod says:

    WARNING! SPAM BELOW

    Some of you might be interested in this. I took a look at Stauffer’s tweets to try to decipher what he thinks the Oilers will do. I also looked back at his tweets from June 2015 to see how accurate he was last year.

    http://www.theoilersrig.com/2016/06/reading-stauffer-tea-leaves/

  15. kinger_OIL says:

    Coffeys_Messy_eh:
    Apologies for the thread jack, but I saw some love for Brooke Henderson in the last thread, and thought I’d chime in here to say that I teach at the high school in Smiths Falls that she should still be attending right now, had she not graduated early with stellar marks through hard work and focus.The phrase “couldn’t happen to a nicer person” gets thrown around a lot, but in this case it is entirely apt.What a kid.Also, she can golf a little.

    – There is this Golf training facility North of Toronto that I go to. One of the coacehs there trains Brooke as well, who practiced there a lot a few years ago. Two years ago (so she’s 15), my coach says: hey Kinger, you want an education? Play a game called 18 with Brooke”.

    – 18 is a game vs your partner,, you have a chip and then make the putt(s), you alternate the chip, and 18 is “par”, each player decides where to chip from: so 9 up and downs = 18

    – I’m a pretty good golfer, break 80 more than half the time, used to be better in my youth. Anyway we play: this little charming 5 foot nothing and her Dad are there, she picks the first spot, chips in! Everyone is chriping me, I’m really nervous.

    – Her score was 17, mine was 22. She crushes me.

    – Coach says: “so Kinger, she beat you by 5 shots in chip and putt, on 9 holes. That’s 10 strokes over 18. How much better do you think she is than you, and how much better would you be just working on chip and putt?”

    – So Brooke destroys me, with a deadly assassin smile..No clue she would be THAT good!

  16. Bad Seed says:

    Coffeys_Messy_eh:
    Apologies for the thread jack, but I saw some love for Brooke Henderson in the last thread, and thought I’d chime in here to say that I teach at the high school in Smiths Falls that she should still be attending right now, had she not graduated early with stellar marks through hard work and focus.The phrase “couldn’t happen to a nicer person” gets thrown around a lot, but in this case it is entirely apt.What a kid.Also, she can golf a little.

    I’m not a fan of women’s golf as it’s usually boring to watch but that was as exciting as any PGA match. Love the way Henderson plays – rips at the ball unlike most women on tour, yet has a great touch around the greens.

  17. JimmyV1965 says:

    Lowetide: Lucic does not address a need. Demers does, and we don’t know the contract terms that will be required. Demers does not address the offensive side of the issue on defense, but he is a solid option. And it DOES matter that he does not require assets to procure.

    The Oilers need to grow their own top pairing defensemen, but Demers is an excellent stop gap until they are home. Signing Lucic and trading Hall might be the alternative, and I would prefer not to go that way.

    Difficult decisions for Chiarelli.

    I think he was referring more to the notion that Demers just costs money, or the idea that cap space is somehow not equal in value to draft picks or players. I would argue that cap space, players and picks are all assets and should all be treated equally. What is the value of $6 mill in cap space compared to draft picks? What would the Jackets give you for taking Clarkson, for instance?

  18. Bag of Pucks says:

    After watching this year’s playoffs, and the Pens in particular, I think the players at the top of the ‘Available List’ will be those players either unable or unwilling to consistently play a 200ft. game.

    1) Nail Yakupov
    2) Jordan Eberle
    3) Possibly Taylor Hall

    The NHL is a copycat league and it’s hard to recall another performance where the entire F corps was more committed to an aggressive forecheck AND backcheck than these Penguins. Impressive. Nice work Sullivan.

    The days of accepting a forward who gives it away on the D side cos he gives you more on the O side are going by the wayside. The good coaches are getting everyone’s buy-in on playing a 200ft. game. Hell, even Ovechkin backchecked in these playoffs.

    First the enforcer was made extinct. Soon, the ‘floater’ may be too.

  19. crackerjack14 says:

    Given the injuries last year, I wonder if we’ll see smaller, simpler moves instead of a Chia swinging for the fences.
    Trade Yak for picks/prospects…because that ship has sailed.
    Trade for Andrew Shaw.
    Draft Tkachuk…a future left winger for McDavid.
    Sign Demers…a puck mover that can help solidify the right side.
    Send Nurse down for development.

    Nothing sexy, but EDM keeps their big guns and keeps and adds to the C’s.

    Hall-Nuge-Drai
    Pouliot-McDavid-Eberle
    Maroon-Shaw-Kassian
    Hendy-Letestu-Pakarinen

    Klefbom-Demers
    Sekera-Fayne
    Davidson-Gryba

  20. Ducey says:

    jonrmcleod:
    WARNING! SPAM BELOW

    Some of you might be interested in this. I took a look at Stauffer’s tweets to try to decipher what he thinks the Oilers will do. I also looked back at his tweets from June 2015 to see how accurate he was last year.

    http://www.theoilersrig.com/2016/06/reading-stauffer-tea-leaves/

    Interesting. I didn’t realize he was mentioning the odds of Nuge/ Hall being traded as so high. That doesn’t make me happy.

    As you say, we will have to start to really pay attention to him by the end of the week.

  21. digger50 says:

    I think Debrincat is available at #32 draft position but Chia will pass with Raddysh or Jones or Dineen available.

    When Chia said “he is confident he can address the defence” it seemed at that point there was already some wheels in motion.

    I wonder if talks with Islanders/ Hamonic truly died.

    Vatenen trade discussions would certainly be alive and well

    Has he spoken to Demers agent to measure interest? Question – can a trade be set prior to July 1st and basically just pull the trigger July 1st? Is it considered bad form to be having discussions with Demers/agent back in April.
    Adding the best free agent makes so much sense over trading an excellent player to transfer talent from position to another.

  22. Lowetide says:

    thehop:
    LT, you have the six million dollar men headed out of town before the 4#. I’m wondering if you think the player we draft at 4 will be better than either of those men at some point down the road or if those men have better value on the market to address team needs.

    I ask because I can’t wrap my head around the idea of this team puttting the time, effort and resources to draft/develop players Only to trade them for less than full value. It has been the MO of this organization since the end of the Sather days and te biggest reason why the Oilers have been eating shit for te last 10 years.

    I think Matt Tkachuk has less value now, and will into the future, than all of the $6 million men. Suspect that is one of the reasons Edmonton is keeping the pick (apparently).

  23. Lowetide says:

    JimmyV1965: I think he was referring more to the notion that Demers just costs money, or the idea that cap space is somehow not equal in value to draft picks or players. I would argue that cap space, players and picks are all assets and should all be treated equally.What is the value of $6 mill in cap space compared to draft picks? What would the Jackets give you for taking Clarkson, for instance?

    If you sign Demers for 5×5 that is money and term. If you trade Nuge for Barrie, and then sign him for 5×5, that pokes a hole in center and costs the money. Is the difference between Demers and Barrie worth Nuge? I am arguing no.

  24. digger50 says:

    crackerjack14,

    That looks like a great minimum, an effective roster with some depth waiting.

    Next step is that second defenceman and right winger – but not at cost of going backwards.

    Once we have full quality NHL roster and prospects pushing, then perhaps look at swapping parts.

  25. Bruce McCurdy says:

    kinger_OIL: – There is this Golf training facility North of Toronto that I go to.One of the coacehs there trains Brooke as well, who practiced there a lot a few years ago.Two years ago (so she’s 15), my coach says: hey Kinger, you want an education?Play a game called 18 with Brooke”.

    – 18 is a game vs your partner,, you have a chip and then make the putt(s), you alternate the chip, and 18 is “par”, each player decides where to chip from: so 9 up and downs = 18

    – I’m a pretty good golfer, break 80 more than half the time, used to be better in my youth.Anyway we play: this little charming 5 foot nothing and her Dad are there, she picks the first spot, chips in!Everyone is chriping me, I’m really nervous.

    – Her score was 17, mine was 22. She crushes me.

    – Coach says: “so Kinger, she beat you by 5 shots in chip and putt, on 9 holes.That’s 10 strokes over 18.How much better do you think she is than you, and how much better would you be just working on chip and putt?”

    – So Brooke destroys me, with a deadly assassin smile..No clue she would be THAT good!

    Fantastic story, which just got better. “I got whupped by the LPGA champion”.

    Didn’t see much of yesterday’s final round but I did see the playoff hole. Super impressed by the composure and comportment of both (teenaged!) participants. Takes a great golfer to beat Lydia Ko, & Brooke Henderson seems to be all of that.

  26. Offside says:

    “First the enforcer was made extinct. Soon, the ‘floater’ may be too.”

    Maybe, but the ability to score goals is a far more valuable commodity than the ability to punch a guy in the face. Putting pucks in the net still covers a multitude of sins

  27. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    crackerjack14:
    Given the injuries last year, I wonder if we’ll see smaller, simpler moves instead of a Chia swinging for the fences.
    Trade Yak for picks/prospects…because that ship has sailed.
    Trade for Andrew Shaw.
    Draft Tkachuk…a future left winger for McDavid.
    Sign Demers…a puck mover that can help solidify the right side.
    Send Nurse down for development.

    Nothing sexy, but EDM keeps their big guns and keeps and adds to the C’s.

    Hall-Nuge-Drai
    Pouliot-McDavid-Eberle
    Maroon-Shaw-Kassian
    Hendy-Letestu-Pakarinen

    Klefbom-Demers
    Sekera-Fayne
    Davidson-Gryba

    We came in 29th this year.

    I think the moves you have suggested (Demers and Shaw) might be good enough to move us into 27th.

    That leaves about 11 spots or more on the basis of injury recovery.

    That seems a tad aggressive to me.

  28. Lowetide says:

    kinger_OIL: – There is this Golf training facility North of Toronto that I go to.One of the coacehs there trains Brooke as well, who practiced there a lot a few years ago.Two years ago (so she’s 15), my coach says: hey Kinger, you want an education?Play a game called 18 with Brooke”.

    – 18 is a game vs your partner,, you have a chip and then make the putt(s), you alternate the chip, and 18 is “par”, each player decides where to chip from: so 9 up and downs = 18

    – I’m a pretty good golfer, break 80 more than half the time, used to be better in my youth.Anyway we play: this little charming 5 foot nothing and her Dad are there, she picks the first spot, chips in!Everyone is chriping me, I’m really nervous.

    – Her score was 17, mine was 22. She crushes me.

    – Coach says: “so Kinger, she beat you by 5 shots in chip and putt, on 9 holes.That’s 10 strokes over 18.How much better do you think she is than you, and how much better would you be just working on chip and putt?”

    – So Brooke destroys me, with a deadly assassin smile..No clue she would be THAT good!

    Awesome story. I mentioned somewhere in here that Bob Weeks was on my show last year (he is terrific). Anway, night before with some guests, I send a bullet points topic template. Weeks, without exception, put her name on the list. We did not get to talk about her every week, but he was over the moon about her ability.

  29. DRFNsuperstar says:

    Lowetide: Interesting question. London is likely to have a formidable 1line though, they are a factory.

    Knowing London Tkachuk will probably be playing wing with Keller at centre…they have some secret passage to the USNTDP.

  30. kinger_OIL says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    – Follow-up story to that is I go to get fitted for clubs at same place. They do this swing analysis.

    – So the guy finishes the testing which tells you club head speed, shaft, etc.

    Club Fitter guy says: “Well I’ve good good news and bad news”

    Kinger: “What’s the good news?”

    Fitter: “You’ve got professional golf tour swing speed”

    Me: “And the bad news?”

    Fitter: “LPGA Pro speed”

    I made the mistake of telling these stories to my golf buddies, so now I get all sorts of : “wow Kinger that’s a pro level drive, what kind of shaft is in there?” Or – “That’s a nice chip, how much closer would that girl have been?”

  31. su_dhillon says:

    Available List (Updated

    Nail Yakupov
    Taylor Hall
    Jordan Eberle
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
    Benoit Pouliot
    Cap space
    Mark Fayne
    Griffin Reinhart
    No. 4 overall selection
    2017 1st round selection

    One really interesting omission for me because i think he is in fact the best trade piece in terms of asset management and that is Nurse.

    Again I like Nurse a lot and think he will have a very good NHL career but right now there are 2 LHD that we can comfortably project ahead of him his year and probably next year, Klef and Sekera.

    With Klef we can make a strong case that he will be equal or better than Nurse going forward. With Sekera, his contract makes it likely he is on the roster for duration or near duration of the term.

    We also have one of our best value contracts at LHD in Davidson who also projects above Nurse this year and we would assume to have a long term future (5 years or more) with the Oilers. they also have Reinhart on roster.

    Nurse has great pedigree and measurables and his value in trade I would guess exceeds his value on the ice at least in next 2 years (which makes him rare on this team) and plays a position that the Oilers have players ahead of him and also just behind him.

    Now sometimes players make big jumps and maybe he has a monster year and begins to track as a top pair D but for me I only project guys to a position that they are tracking at or ahead of based on historical precedence. Top pair D’s at Nurse’s age have traditionally been ahead of where he is so I don’t think you can project him as that with any confidence.

    In my best case world the Oilers would sign Demers and then use Nurse as the key chip in a trade of another top 4 RHD and leave the Steve Austin’s untouched.

    The trade Nurse island is a lonelier island than the LT Demers Island. I am on both,

  32. Woodguy says:

    Matt Larkin ‏@THNMattLarkin 12h12 hours ago

    Past five Cup champions’ rankings in score-adjusted Corsi: 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 2nd. Tough for even greatest skeptics not to see correlation.

  33. Lowetide says:

    su_dhillon:
    Available List (Updated

    Nail Yakupov
    Taylor Hall
    Jordan Eberle
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
    Benoit Pouliot
    Cap space
    Mark Fayne
    Griffin Reinhart
    No. 4 overall selection
    2017 1st round selection

    One really interesting omission for me because i think he is in fact the best trade piece in terms of asset management and that is Nurse.

    Again I like Nurse a lot and think he will have a very good NHL career but right now there are 2 LHD that we can comfortably project ahead of him his year and probably next year, Klef and Sekera.

    With Klef we can make a strong case that he will be equal or better than Nurse going forward. With Sekera, his contract makes it likely he is on the roster for duration or near duration of the term.

    We also have one of our best value contracts at LHD in Davidson who also projects above Nurse this year and we would assume to have a long term future (5 years or more) with the Oilers. they also have Reinhart on roster.

    Nurse has great pedigree and measurables and his value in trade I would guess exceeds his value on the ice at least in next 2 years (which makes him rare on this team)and plays a position that the Oilers have players ahead of him and also just behind him.

    Now sometimes players make big jumps and maybe he has a monster year and begins to track as a top pair D but for me I only project guys to a position that they are tracking at or ahead of based on historical precedence. Top pair D’s at Nurse’s age have traditionally been ahead of where he is so I don’t think you can project him as that with any confidence.

    In my best case world the Oilers would signDemers and then use Nurse as the key chip in a trade of another top 4 RHD and leave the Steve Austin’s untouched.

    The trade Nurse island is a lonelier island than the LT Demers Island. I am on both,

    To be clear: I think the Oilers should consider trading Nurse. I do not believe that is on their whiteboard.

  34. stush18 says:

    Would Columbus be willing to trade down to number four with us if we took on one of their contracts?

    Would we be willing?

    They are in a tight spot. The have a plethora of wingers and need a centre. We provide them with the ability to draft Dubois and trade away a contract so they can sign Jones.

    I would do 4th and musil (just a contract for the 50 man list) for 3rd and tyutin. Then you grab pullijarvi.

  35. Lowetide says:

    stush18:
    Would Columbus be willing to trade down to number four with us if we took on one of their contracts?

    Would we be willing?

    They are in a tight spot. The have a plethora of wingers and need a centre. We provide them with the ability to draft Dubois and trade away a contract so they can sign Jones.

    I would do 4th and musil (just a contract for the 50 man list) for 3rd and tyutin. Then you grab pullijarvi.

    speeds was asking this last night, and your idea is interesting.

  36. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    Matt Larkin ‏@THNMattLarkin12h12 hours ago

    Past five Cup champions’ rankings in score-adjusted Corsi: 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 2nd. Tough for even greatest skeptics not to see correlation.

    Score-adjusted corsi? Just cherry picking stats again.

    Next you nerds will be using “score-adjusted goalies not playing back to back and having 3 pairs of LH-RH Dmen corsi” to fit your narrative.

    🙂

  37. Pouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Fantastic story, which just got better. “I got whupped by the LPGA champion”.

    Didn’t see much of yesterday’s final round but I did see the playoff hole. Super impressed by the composure and comportment of both (teenaged!) participants. Takes a great golfer to beat Lydia Ko, & Brooke Henderson seems to be all of that.

    Her up and down a half an hour earlier on the same hole from 75 yds out was even more impressive. MUST MAKE from 12 ft and she drains it center cut. Ice Watah.

  38. Pouzar says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    – Follow-up story to that is I go to get fitted for clubs at same place.They do this swing analysis.

    – So the guy finishes the testing which tells you club head speed, shaft, etc.

    Club Fitter guy says: “Well I’ve good good news and bad news”

    Kinger: “What’s the good news?”

    Fitter: “You’ve got professional golf tour swing speed”

    Me: “And the bad news?”

    Fitter: “LPGA Pro speed”

    I made the mistake of telling these stories to my golf buddies, so now I get all sorts of : “wow Kinger that’s a pro level drive, what kind of shaft is in there?” Or – “That’s a nice chip, how much closer would that girl have been?”

    Do you know Mike Maves at all?

  39. su_dhillon says:

    Lowetide: To be clear: I think the Oilers should consider trading Nurse. I do not believe that is on their whiteboard.

    LT I get that but curious, where would you rank Nurse on a list of assets the Oilers should use? I would have him very high and probably 1 because I think outside of maybe Leon, Nurse is the only guy who’s trade value exceeds his on ice value.

  40. stush18 says:

    Lowetide: speeds was asking this last night, and your idea is interesting.

    I think it is plausible. Tyutin is about the only contract I take tho because I believe it has negative value. I don’t touch clarkson, hartnells is too long, and foligno and Dubinsky means you need to add more.

    They also have cam Atkinson, who I would def consider. Apparently torts soured on him because he isn’t overly physical (go figure).

  41. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy:
    Matt Larkin ‏@THNMattLarkin12h12 hours ago

    Past five Cup champions’ rankings in score-adjusted Corsi: 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 2nd. Tough for even greatest skeptics not to see correlation.

    So in other words the top Corsi team only won the Cup once! Big deal

  42. jake70 says:

    Pouzar: Her up and down a half an hour earlier on the same hole from 75 yds out was even more impressive. MUST MAKE from 12 ft and she drains it center cut. Ice Watah.

    Agreed. The eagle and birdie puts on 11 and 17, although fantastic were not the same as that 12 footer on 18 to save par with no time left on the clock. The force is strong with this one. Now I hope she doesn’t go all Genie Bouchard and fall off the map.

  43. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Pouzar: Her up and down a half an hour earlier on the same hole from 75 yds out was even more impressive. MUST MAKE from 12 ft and she drains it center cut. Ice Watah.

    Saw the highlights later on SportsCentre, reiterated during Bob Weeks’ insider section. That putt was sweet, as were the two she nailed from distance earlier in the back nine. If there was such a thing as clutch performance they would collectively fill the bill.

  44. Bruce McCurdy says:

    I don’t get all this talk abut Oilers taking on other teams’ salary dumps. Are we that desperate to replace Nikitin?

    Seriously the Oilers have precious little cap space, do you want to give it to Jason Demers or Fedor “Rootin” Tyutin?

  45. Little Poteet says:

    So do the blues owe the wild a third round pick for hiring Mike Yeo?

  46. Bag of Pucks says:

    Offside:
    “First the enforcer was made extinct. Soon, the ‘floater’ may be too.”

    Maybe, but the ability to score goals is a far more valuable commodity than the ability to punch a guy in the face. Putting pucks in the net still covers a multitude of sins

    I don’t think of a ‘floater’ as a player unwilling to fight. Moreso, a player unwilling to commit to the defensive side of the game on a consistent basis.

    Absolutely, the ability to score will always be the most valuable skill in the NHL. But skill without will is increasingly losing the battle as the NHL evolves towards a league that favours and rewards system play over individual creativity. It will be interesting to track McDavid’s influence on this as he appears to be one of those rare players that will change the game singlehandedly. It goes without saying that tailoring the Oilers’ system play to Connor’s strengths should be priority #1 for this coaching staff going forward.

    Incidentally, if you’re a great goal scorer and Milan Lucic starts punching you in the face, you may be inclined to suddenly reconsider the value of being able to punch back. I know I would!

  47. DRFNsuperstar says:

    Lowetide: To be clear: I think the Oilers should consider trading Nurse. I do not believe that is on their whiteboard.

    Nurse should be a next summer trade if they do it. He will still have his value because he is big, mean, and has pedigree. At that point he has two years of pro and you pretty much know what you have and he is exempt from expansion so he should be worth a lot.

    But if you need to trade Nurse next year it means there are still big holes on the roster and Oilers probably finished near the bottom.

  48. admiralmark says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    I don’t get all this talk abut Oilers taking on other teams’ salary dumps. Are we that desperate to replace Nikitin?

    Seriously the Oilers have precious little cap space, do you want to give it to Jason Demers or Fedor “Rootin” Tyutin?

    Exactly. Trade 4th overall for 3rd Overall + an anchor contract just to get Puljujarvi is saying we aren’t planning on winning this year either.

  49. Lowetide says:

    su_dhillon: LT I get that but curious, where would you rank Nurse on a list of assets the Oilers should use? I would have him very high and probably 1 because I think outside of maybe Leon, Nurse is the only guy who’s trade value exceeds his on ice value.

    I would have him high as well, although trade value has to meet actual value. Nurse is a quality asset, I do not agree with trading him for less than 100 cents on the dollar. Lots of Oilers fans are down on him because, historically, his rookie stats suggest an average (or below) defender.

    I think it is reasonable to suggest that he was thrust into a role, and that had he played third pairing the numbers would have been substantial. If you check his first 11 games, they were strong.

    http://lowetide.ca/2016/05/16/re-15-16-darnell-nurse-it-could-happen-to-you/

  50. delooper says:

    Easy way to remember Erie: it’s where Devo is from.

    It’s on the south shore of Lake Erie. East of Cleveland. A smidge west of the westernmost part of New York. Rustbelt town. Lots of good-humoured, goofy and capable people.

    I have a friend from there. She sings in a band, sounds a little like PJ Harvey. Does research in plant pathology.

    Perhaps McDavid’s song should be “Uncontrollable Urge”?

  51. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Hall ahead of Eberle and Nuge? Ok, LT I like the fact you moved Nuge up finally but you have Hall ahead of him? Hmmm. Anyways…

    Congratulations to Pittsburgh. I think this year they proved that if you played a sound, structured game, get good goaltending and your best players are your best players it will lead to success. As an Oiler fan it is not hard to excited to see what Pittsburgh did and think that the same IS possible with this organization too.

    With FA looming there is a lot of talk of throwing out big money to guys like Demers and Backes to improve the team but once again I think Pittsburgh proved you don’t have to. Hockey is a team game and every guy is a piece of the puzzle. Once you have the system set and the Top players required the rest can fill the roles required to make that system function efficiently.

    One could argue that over the last several years the Oilers struggled to find those pieces however I would argue they struggled to find an established identity that they could mould. That identity search appears to be over. The Oilers head into this offseason with more continuity than in several seasons past. Chiarelli and McClellan have a clearly defined philosophy how they would like to play and the type of players they prefer. The goal is and should be do get those guys who ‘fit’ and remove those who don’t. That’s the bottom line really. Guys like Pouliot, Eberle and Yakupov clearly don’t fit on this version of the Oilers. Taylor Hall while extremely talented plays a style that might also be better suited elsewhere. Boston years ago felt Kessel didn’t fit for whatever reason so traded him and won the Cup the next year. That didnt mean he wasnt a good player they just felt he was expendable. Pittsburgh this offseason felt they needed his skillset and he fit with what they were looking for so traded for him and won the Cup. It’s all about fit. You can try and force a guy to play your system but if he is unsuccessful at it or the team struggles because of it it doesn’t mean he’s a bad player maybe he would just be better suited on a different team. Of the big 3 I do think Hall should be the one that should stay if any but would not oppose a move if a better fit was brought in.

    Pittsburgh won with their big 5 of Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Hornqvist and Letang being their top players. If you compare them to the likely combo of McDavid, Draisaitl, Hall, Maroon and Klefbom how do they compare? Certainly we are much younger and inexperienced but pure talent wise alone I think they are in the same conversation. Also, consider the fact Pittsburgh went to the Stanley Cup in 2007 with a 2nd yr Crosby and rookie Malkin as their Top 2 centres (and rookie Staal 3rd for that matter) and you could argue we are not as far away as it would seem. Anything is possible but you don’t get to a cup with 5 guys as we know. The system you play and the supporting cast you have make championship teams.

    On paper which of the remaining roster would you prefer:

    Nick Bonino, Carl Hagelin, Chris Kunitz, Connor Sheary, Bryan Rust, Eric Fehr, Matt Cullen, Tom Kuhhackl
    R. Hopkins, Jordan Eberle, Benoit Pouliot, N.Yakupov, M. Hendricks, M.Letestu, Z.Kassian, I.Pakarinen

    How about:

    Brian Dumolin, Olli Maatta, Trevor Daley, Ian Cole, Ben Lovejoy, Justin Schultz and a rookie goalie.
    Andrei Sekera, B. Davidson, Mark Fayne, D.Nurse, J.Oesterle, Adam Clendenning and Cam Talbot.

    Clearly on paper the Oil have more ‘talent’ but on paper doesn’t matter. Ask Mike Babcock (who whether you like him or not is a winner) how he feels about talent on paper.We don’t need the most expensive FA’s or the best bargains we need THE BEST FITS. Lucic and Tkachuk aren’t needs but are great fits. Schultz didn’t fit here but did in Pittsburgh. That should be taken into consideration when we are looking for changes this offseason.

    I see a million trade proposals here and most of them address a perceived hole or need but why don’t we talk more about fit? LT does a good job of trying to apply that logic when he talks about possible targets but some other proposals here clearly don’t take that into consideration. Lucic and Hamonic cleary fit what the Brass is looking for. Backes and Demers not so much in my mind. IMO, David Savard is a better fit than Kevin Shattenkirk or Sami Vatanen. A 6’2 227 RHD with a big shot and good first pass is worth more than a 5’10” 183 RHD with similar skillset on this team and especially in the West. We struggle defensively why do we want a defenseman who was a -14 on one of the best teams in the NHL? Savard was -7 on a terrible Columbus team Shattenkirk was a -14 on a great St. Louis team plus Savard is more physical. It’s all about fit on and off the ice.

    David Backes is a 32 year old with a lot of miles on him and is loud voice in the locker room. Why would we even consider adding him to our roster especially considering his salary demands? Throwing big money at another FA defenseman also does not make sense IMO after the big money we threw at Sekera last year. Trading a guy who doesn’t fit here for a guy who would ie. Eberle for Hamonic makes so much more sense.

    Pittsburgh proved your bottom six and bottom 4 dmen can be a mix of grizzly veterans, journeymen and promising rookies and you can win as long as they fit your system and your top dogs play like top players. The Oilers if they stick to who they are (or want to be philosophy wise) have the pieces in place to be successful quickly. We just need to resist the urge of trying to get all the best players possible regardless of price and find the best fits.

    (too bad their isn’t a word count limit!)

  52. leadfarmer says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Okay, I get that Jultz is now a Stanley Cup champion.He doesn’t derserve it, but he also didn’t deserve the vitriol that came his way at the end of his Edmonton career.

    But how does Sid get the Conn Smythe?Even he seemed a bit embarrassed and he seemed to accept it on behalf of the team rather than himself, to give him credit.

    The NHL marketing department decided he is the MVP so it makes their lifes easier to shove Crosby down our throats every weekend.

    Happy for Schultz. He didn’t deserve all the anger from this fanbase. Hope he’s been saving his money. I could see a team signing him to a one year $2mil contract as a reclaimation project, but thats it.

  53. Bag of Pucks says:

    In terms of tactics to maximize McDavid, the Oilers should seriously look at the lob pass that the Pens were executing in the playoffs to their speedsters.

    We’ve got Randy Moss on skates. If we can find him a D QB that can consistently execute that pass?

    That’s gold Jerry, gold!

  54. Drew says:

    The Lowetide show is going in the ditch this morning (sorry Allan i know you are away this week). Narrative is move Hall because he is expendable and wingers aren’t important. They then started talking about what model to copy Detroit, Chicago, LA, Pitts, ad nausea.

    I don’t get the trade Hall rhetoric. He moves the puck from his end to the other end, generates more shots than he gives up, and scores points at 5×5. What kind of players are these other folks looking for? Arghhhhh!!!

    i get it if a superstar dman is available then think about it… but do these players come up often???!!!

  55. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Little Poteet:
    So do the blues owe the wild a third round pick for hiring Mike Yeo?

    No, the “Let’s Screw the Oilers” window has closed & it is once again A-OK to hire coaches & execs from the trash heap without having to pay off the team that fired them.

    I am still fucking livid about that. What a travesty.

  56. Lowetide says:

    Drew:
    The Lowetide show is going in the ditch this morning (sorry Allan). Narrative is move Hall because he is expendable and wingers aren’t important. They then started talking about what model to copy Detroit, Chicago, LA, Pitts, ad nausea.

    I don’t get trade the Hall rhetoric. He moves the puck from his end to the other end, generates more shots than he gives up, and scores points at 5×5. What kind of players are these other folks looking for? Arghhhhh!!!

    Hall has enormous value, and Peter Chiarelli may choose to deal him because of it. The argument that Hall is not important sets aside his outstanding ability to make a difference on a terrible team. With Hall on the ice, the Oilers are a good NHL team. That is a fact.

  57. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy: No, the “Let’s Screw the Oilers” window has closed & it is once again A-OK to hire coaches & execs from the trash heap without having to pay off the team that fired them.

    I am still fucking livid about that. What a travesty.

    I bet that rule would have rescinded in real time if not for the gonch pull it provided to the Oilers. Seriously.

  58. su_dhillon says:

    Lowetide: I would have him high as well, although trade value has to meet actual value. Nurse is a quality asset, I do not agree with trading him for less than 100 cents on the dollar. Lots of Oilers fans are down on him because, historically, his rookie stats suggest an average (or below) defender.

    I think it is reasonable to suggest that he was thrust into a role, and that had he played third pairing the numbers would have been substantial. If you check his first 11 games, they were strong.

    http://lowetide.ca/2016/05/16/re-15-16-darnell-nurse-it-could-happen-to-you/

    I agree LT but my take is that I think Nurse is one of the very few guys on the team that you might get will get full value for and maybe even a little more. In terms of his actual performance and role I think you could get 1.05 maybe even $1.10 for him and i don;t think there is another player on the roster you could say that for besides maybe Leon.

  59. J-Bo says:

    I think the reality around the Demers possibility is better viewed as what the totality of moves might look like. For example, would you rather have Hall and Demers or Lucic and Lindholm? I know this requires some assumptions, but I would assume that any Hall or Nuge trade would bring another move and they would not proceed unless they had all their “ducks” in a row. Also, I’m assuming Hall would not be traded for Barrie or someone lesser (which would be a disaster). This is the conversation or thereabouts…

  60. JimmyV1965 says:

    Lowetide: If you sign Demers for 5×5 that is money and term. If you trade Nuge for Barrie, and then sign him for 5×5, that pokes a hole in center and costs the money. Is the difference between Demers and Barrie worth Nuge? I am arguing no.

    Maybe I’m not explaining it well. If you sign Demers and keep Nuge you have two guys at $6 mill cap. If you trade Nuge for Barrie you still have only one guy at $6 mill cap. I would argue that cap space is too precious to waste on Demers.

  61. Lowetide says:

    JimmyV1965: Maybe I’m not explaining it well.If you sign Demers and keep Nuge you have two guys at $6 mill cap.If you trade Nuge for Barrie you still have only one guy at $6 mill cap. I would argue that cap space is too precious to waste on Demers.

    If you could get an adequate replacement for Nuge at $3 million, I would agree. A good NHL team might have a player poised to take on the role. Sadly, that is not the Oilers.

  62. Lowetide says:

    su_dhillon: I agree LT but my take is that I think Nurse is one of the very few guys on the team that you might get will get full value for and maybe even a little more. In terms of his actual performance and role I think you could get 1.05 maybe even $1.10 for him and i don;t think there is another player on the roster you could say that for besides maybe Leon.

    Yes. I think he is a good trade asset to make available. My list reflects what the Oilers are likely to do, or at least my perception of it. Talk of the Flyers and Oilers getting together is interesting btw, Philly loves Nurse going back to the draft.

  63. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    LT,

    Thank you for seeing the light and removing Draisaitl and Nurse from the list. Zero chance they get moved with so many other tradeable assets on the roster. The core of this team is McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse and Talbot along with Tkachuk hopefully. Talented and diverse core with a variety of skills unlike the previous core of softer, perimeter players.

    Too many oldtime Oilers fans here refuse to accept the fact this isn’t the 80’s anymore and totally dismiss the concept of actually trading their underachieving favourite player to improve the team while clinging on to the fantasy dream of unicorns.

    With that being said I still think your order is still a little wonky.

    1. Pouliot, Yakupov and Eberle are goners for sure likely on or before draft. If it yields Hamonic and Vatanen it will be on to FA.
    2. If we still don’t get the necessary pieces, Nuge will be moved after the World Cup. Think package of Jenner and Savard-ish
    3. Hall will not be traded this year before Nuge and Eberle even if we draft Tkachuk and Lucic. Tkachuk is 2-3 years away, Lucic replaces Pouliot.

  64. Woodguy says:

    Good piece by Mirtle on how PIT is built and how they play.

    He doesn’t mention it by name, but Sullivan had them playing “the swarm”

    They executed it very well.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/what-other-nhl-teams-can-learn-from-the-penguins-cup-win/article30414754/

  65. speeds says:

    Lowetide,

    what EDM/PHI talk?

  66. rickithebear says:

    Looking at players driving of Even and Total play adjusted for age Difference.

    Player – (Age Translation) – Even Primary PT NHLE – Total Primary PT NHLE
    1.Dubois – (.694) – 49 – 76 This guy is Generational.
    PLD (EG/EA1) 49 = Hall/Seguin (EG/EA1/EA2) 49/50
    ———————————-
    2. Mascherin – (.681) – 42 – 55
    3.Debrincitt – (.565) – 41 – 61
    4.Abramov – (.661) – 40 – 63
    ————————————
    5. D. Dube – (.713) – 34 – 48
    6. T. Raddisch – (.606) – 33 – 45
    7. J. Gauthier – (.521) – 32 – 44
    8. W. Bitten – (.705) – 32 – 43
    9. Laberge – (.642) – 31 – 47
    ———————————–
    10. B. Katchouk – (.690) – 31 – 39
    11. Macksinovich – (.622) – 31 – 38
    12. Benson – (.625) – 30 – 40
    —————————————–
    13. Tkachuk – (.559) – 30 – 53 43% PP
    14. Nylander – (.635) – 30 – 50 40% PP
    ———————————————-
    15. L. Brown – (.618) – 28 – 44
    16. J. Kyrou – (.661) – 28 – 31
    17. Mcleod – (.596) – 26 – 39
    18. Fortier – (.563) – 25 – 37
    19. M. Jones – (.604) – 25 – 34
    20. B. Gignac – (.536) – 24 – 33
    ————————————————-
    21. N Gregor – (.594) – 24 – 46 47.8% PP
    22. M Philips – (.639) – 24 – 44 45.5% PP
    23. Lyszczarczyk – (.606) – 23 – 28
    24. T. Ronning – (.524) – 22 – 29
    25. N Bastian – (.556) – 21 – 33
    26. J. Kuznetsov – (.606) – 20 – 28
    —————————————————-
    27. S. Steele (.596) – 20 – 36 44.4% PP

  67. Lowetide says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes:
    LT,

    Thank you for seeing the light and removing Draisaitl and Nurse from the list.

    Lol. The list is not my opinion, it is my guess about Edmonton’s plans. No change of heart.

  68. Jethro Tull says:

    I think we’ve had just about enough of Columbus salary dump projects to last a lifetime, don’t you guys?

    Instead of taking a dog poop contract, how about we put the screws to them and get Savard for under market value?

  69. Bag of Pucks says:

    Btw, it really is a shame that the coach of the year votes aren’t taken at the end of the playoffs.

    Mike Sullivan had Phil ‘Two Pack’ Kessel sucking wind on the bench thanks to a newfound commitment to back-checking and 200ft. play.

    That’s not just stellar coaching. That’s borderline black magic.

  70. Drew says:

    rickithebear:
    Looking at players driving of Even and Total play adjusted for age Difference.

    Player – (Age Translation)– Even Primary PT NHLE – Total Primary PT NHLE
    1.Dubois – (.694) – 49 – 76This guy is Generational.
    PLD (EG/EA1) 49 = Hall/Seguin (EG/EA1/EA2) 49/50
    ———————————-
    2. Mascherin – (.681) – 42 – 55
    3.Debrincitt – (.565) – 41 – 61
    4.Abramov – (.661) – 40 – 63
    ————————————
    5. D. Dube – (.713) – 34 – 48
    6. T. Raddisch – (.606) – 33 – 45
    7. J. Gauthier – (.521) – 32 – 44
    8. W. Bitten – (.705) – 32 – 43
    9. Laberge – (.642) – 31 – 47
    ———————————–
    10. B. Katchouk – (.690) – 31 – 39
    11. Macksinovich – (.622) – 31 – 38
    12. Benson – (.625) – 30 – 40
    —————————————–
    13. Tkachuk – (.559) – 30 – 53 43% PP
    14. Nylander – (.635) – 30 – 50 40% PP
    ———————————————-
    15. L. Brown – (.618) – 28 – 44
    16. J. Kyrou – (.661) – 28 – 31
    17. Mcleod – (.596) – 26 – 39
    18. Fortier – (.563) – 25 – 37
    19. M. Jones – (.604) – 25 – 34
    20. B. Gignac – (.536) – 24 – 33
    ————————————————-
    21. N Gregor – (.594) – 24 – 46 47.8% PP
    22. M Philips – (.639) – 24 – 44 45.5% PP
    23. Lyszczarczyk – (.606) – 23 – 28
    24. T. Ronning – (.524) – 22 – 29
    25. N Bastian – (.556) – 21 – 33
    26. J. Kuznetsov – (.606) – 20 – 28
    —————————————————-
    27. S. Steele (.596) – 20 – 36 44.4% PP

    thank you RBear, i believe they should draft Dubois as well i hope they are pumping Tkachuck to sell the pick down then maybe get Dubois???

  71. zatch says:

    I like Alan Lyszczarczyk. Came over to NA after playing in Poland and the Czech Republic his whole life, put up decent numbers on a horrific team. I think he’s got a career ahead of him and I bet he’s still available in the 5th round.

  72. Visually better says:

    University of Toronto on lockdown this morning, conflicting reports of a man dressed in all black with a surgical mask on walking around, later unconfirmed reports he had a gun. Doesn’t sound like a gun was actually seen but man, knowing this issue is only becoming ever more frequent is just terrible. Movie theaters, night clubs, elementary schools, universities, theatres, coffee shops.. So much hate its incredible.

    Sorry LT, I just am having a tough time understanding all of this.

  73. blainer says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    After watching this year’s playoffs, and the Pens in particular, I think the players at the top of the ‘Available List’ will be those players either unable or unwilling to consistently play a 200ft. game.

    1) Nail Yakupov
    2) Jordan Eberle
    3) Possibly Taylor Hall

    The NHL is a copycat league and it’s hard to recall another performance where the entire F corps was more committed to an aggressive forecheck AND backcheck than these Penguins. Impressive. Nice work Sullivan.

    The days of accepting a forward who gives it away on the D side cos he gives you more on the O side are going by the wayside. The good coaches are getting everyone’s buy-in on playing a 200ft. game. Hell, even Ovechkin backchecked in these playoffs.

    First the enforcer was made extinct. Soon, the ‘floater’ may be too.

    Very well said BoP. The game seems to be forever evolving. I really believe with the subtraction Of Jultz and Yak alone will make a huge difference to the possession game. I think we need to keep ebs because of the Rt shot thing but would be more than open if we could replace that offence with a player who has a commitment to D.

    I do think the right mix could help Ebs game on D if he was willing to buy in. But My gord did Jultz ever look bad last night and they won despite his performance .. what a team those pens are.

    A real mix a grit and speed. That is next years model.

  74. John Chambers says:

    Visually better,

    The tragedies are sad, and their unpredictable nature should give pause to anyone.

    That said, acts of terror kill fewer people in the West than does whooping cough or trampoline accidents. War, famine, and genocide have rapidly decreased around the world and we are statistically and actuarially in the safest period in human history. We should continue to believe in the potential for true peace on earth.

    This statistical breakdown in WW2 outlines quite starkly the magnitude of that enormous tragedy, but also the incredible historical peace that has ensued:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pBTRSFgS9_w

    Namaste

  75. Drew says:

    blainer: Very well said BoP. The game seems to be forever evolving. I really believe with the subtraction Of Jultz and Yak alone will make a huge difference to the possession game. I think we need to keep ebs because of the Rt shot thing but would be more than open if we could replace that offence with a player who has a commitment to D.

    I do think the right mix could help Ebs game on D if he was willing to buy in. But My gord did Jultz ever look bad last night and they won despite his performance .. what a team those pens are.

    A real mix a grit and speed. That is next years model.

    the 2006 oilers forwards actually played with the same commitment, maybe more as they did not have the superstars in the lineup the Pens have.

  76. Water Fire says:

    Lowetide: If you sign Demers for 5×5 that is money and term. If you trade Nuge for Barrie, and then sign him for 5×5, that pokes a hole in center and costs the money. Is the difference between Demers and Barrie worth Nuge? I am arguing no.

    I agree.

    8 Stanley cup winners in a row (current hockey) have used strong 2 way defenders in significant minutes as the backbone of the team, goaltending of course good.

    As I see it none have used high event offensive types, at least much. I’ll take one for no player asset and a reasonable price because they’ll be 2nd or 3rd pair, but to trade a good player for one, especially for a very weak defensive team, is a loss IMO. Hari Kari.

    As said above, nobody in today’s game can outscore weak defensive play, those days are gone if they ever existed at all.

    The offensive forwards have to back check as well, although I’m not saying they need to be Bergeron, but the ability has to be there and it has to be done. Hall will backcheck IMO, especially when it’s on.

    Defensemen who can’t play defense, well I just don’t see how they help at all, when it counts especially.

    Demers/Hamonic/Faulk net add > Barrie/Subban/Burns/Shattemkirk/Vatanen net add.

  77. thehop says:

    Visually better,

    I’m just going to throw this out there. I pray it doesn’t come across in poor light.

    The reason I come here is to give my mind and soul a break from the very event you posted about. I have a Twitter account and I read the news every morning. It’s impossible….IMPOSSIBLE for normal people to make sense of these types of events which brings me back to the reason I visit this site.

    This place makes sense.. The people here make sense…(most of the time)

    I’m sorry you are struggling with the ugly side of the world hit this is where I come to avoid it…

  78. jake70 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: No, the “Let’s Screw the Oilers” window has closed & it is once again A-OK to hire coaches & execs from the trash heap without having to pay off the team that fired them.

    I am still fucking livid about that. What a travesty.

    Lol, I think I suggested this one other time but I think you should take a run at NHL commissioner…. 🙂

  79. blainer says:

    1. McDavid drives the Play.

    2. Hall drives the play.

    You need two players like this. Helps tilt the ice.

    McDavid = Crosby for possession

    Hall = Malkin for possession.

    DO Not Trade Hall.

  80. blainer says:

    Drew: the 2006 oilers forwards actually played with the same commitment, maybe more as they did not have the superstars in the lineup the Pens have.

    That team was pure heart IMO. We are missing those bottom six players badly.
    Peca, Stoll for faceoffs and D and blocked shots and man did that team hit. That was a very physical team that played with the grit this team desperately needs.

    The major factor also for that team was CFP and the goaltending.

  81. Drew says:

    blainer:
    1. McDaviddrives the Play.

    2. Hall drives the play.

    You need two players like this. Helps tilt the ice.

    McDavid = Crosby for possession

    Hall = Malkin for possession.

    DO Not Trade Hall.

    this over and over

  82. Visually better says:

    John Chambers,

    Yes John, thank you for that. You certainly have a point and obviously i realize the statistics about what is happening. It’s just every couple days we hear about a new tragedy in a place where people go to love, celebrate, learn, enjoy themselves etc.. It has never affected me directly as an individual, it just affects me as a human being. I am a university student aswell, and I have never felt threatened or have never been worried about my own well being. That being said, these events have such a deep rooted affect. This sounds horrible, but when these events happen, it affects more than just an individual or family who lost a life, it affects every person in the scenario, their families, first responders, hospital workers, community members, friends, and even people like myself who see it from the outside. This hate has such a long lasting, ripple affect.

    It is really not my intention to dwell on these events and take about them through this website
    thehop, it really isn’t. And for that I truly do apologize, I just am having a hard time coming to grips with this situation after what happened on the weekend, only to wake up monday morning to read something similar unfolded on our soil. Again, I should not have brought this discussion to this place of escape from the outside world, it just has been weighing on me, and having an open discussion about it always seems to make a little bit more sense of it, as John has done with his comment.

    Happy Monday everyone!!

  83. Drew says:

    blainer: That team was pure heart IMO. We are missing those bottom six players badly.
    Peca, Stoll for faceoffs and D and blocked shots and man did that team hit. That was a very physical team that played with the grit this team desperately needs.

    The major factor also for that team was CFP and the goaltending.

    Blainer
    i often disagree with your point… you are knocking it out of the park now though! 🙂

  84. Lowetide says:

    Visually better:
    John Chambers,

    Yes John,thank you for that. You certainly have a point and obviously i realize the statistics about what is happening. It’s just every couple days we hear about a new tragedy in a place where people go to love, celebrate, learn, enjoy themselves etc.. It has never affected me directly as an individual, it just affects me as a human being. I am a university student aswell, and I have never felt threatened or have never been worried about my own well being. That being said, these events have such a deep rooted affect. This sounds horrible, but when these events happen, it affects more than just an individual or family who lost a life, it affects every person in the scenario, their families, first responders, hospital workers, community members, friends, and even people like myself who see it from the outside. This hate has such a long lasting, ripple affect.

    It is really not my intention to dwell on these events and take about them through this website
    thehop, it really isn’t. And for that I truly do apologize, I just am having a hard time coming to grips with this situation after what happened on the weekend, only to wake up monday morning to read something similar unfolded on our soil. Again, I should not have brought this discussion to this place of escape from the outside world, it just has been weighing on me, and having an open discussion about it always seems to make a little bit more sense of it, as John has done with his comment.

    Happy Monday everyone!!

    This is a hockey forum and an escape, but it is also a caring place. It is a very difficult world we all live in, and sometimes there is no other place to go in order to let it all out—and that can help, too. You have given all of us something to think about VB, because if this impacts you then for certain it impacts others.

    I have lived long enough to know that the answers are not easy and that leadership is required. That, for me, is the most distressing thing about our current time.

    Fin.

  85. Woodguy says:

    Water Fire,

    As I see it none have used high event offensive types, at least much.

    Letang played near 30min/game and he’s almost the proto-type for “high event offensive types”

    Here’s his effect on other PIT players’ CF/60 (shots at net/60 5v5):

    LETANG, KRIS 63.2
    FLEURY, MARC-ANDRE 7.91
    MAATTA, OLLI 11.92
    CROSBY, SIDNEY 8.74
    HORNQVIST, PATRIC 7.71
    KUNITZ, CHRIS 7.77
    KESSEL, PHIL 7.5
    COLE, IAN -0.88
    CULLEN, MATT 5.34
    MALKIN, EVGENI 4.71
    MURRAY, MATTHEW 14.3
    PERRON, DAVID 0.26
    BONINO, NICK -0.67
    DALEY, TREVOR 6.64
    ZATKOFF, JEFF 1.64
    HAGELIN, CARL 13.95
    RUST, BRYAN 5.13
    FEHR, ERIC -4.02
    KUHNHACKL, TOM 9.6

    Letang is significantly above PIT’s average for CF/60

  86. Ice Sage says:

    Lowetide: It is a massive story. Sandra Post won in maybe 1970, and then crickets. Monster story.

    Dawn Coe-Jones, the Jultz of Canadian Women’s golf?

  87. blainer says:

    Drew: Blainer
    i often disagree with your point… you are knocking it out of the park now though!

    Thanks !! always nice to hear that someone agrees with me for a change. We all differ on how things should be done from time time but in the end we all love our oilers !!

  88. Woodguy says:

    Water Fire,

    Keith actually has the same effect:

    Here’s his CF/60 effect last year when they won the Cup:

    KEITH, DUNCAN 65.46
    CRAWFORD, COREY 9.27
    SEABROOK, BRENT 8.26
    TOEWS, JONATHAN 13.24
    SAAD, BRANDON -0.53
    HOSSA, MARIAN 10.07
    KANE, PATRICK 12.87
    RICHARDS, BRAD 5.61
    SHAW, ANDREW 9.5
    SHARP, PATRICK 12.34
    ROZSIVAL, MICHAL 6.37
    BICKELL, BRYAN 7.23
    VERSTEEG, KRIS 15.85
    KRUGER, MARCUS 7.9
    DARLING, SCOTT -2.29
    RAANTA, ANTTI 13.93
    SMITH, BEN 4.58
    HJALMARSSON, NIKLAS 8.84
    RUNDBLAD, DAVID 2.88
    TERAVAINEN, TEUVO 3.49
    NORDSTROM, JOAKIM 4.94
    CARCILLO, DAN 9.65

  89. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Woodguy,

    Is it two years in a row now that 3 goalies saw ice time for the winning team? That’s kinda neat if so.

  90. Woodguy says:

    Water Fire,

    Demers/Hamonic/Faulk net add > Barrie/Subban/Burns/Shattemkirk/Vatanen net add.

    I don’t want it to seem like I’m picking on you, but I just did a pile research in this exact area.

    If any Dman is going to be called “high event” its Faulk.

    CF/60 and CA/60 explode when he’s on the ice, basically just like Larsson in DAL.

    Hamonic has has the effect of INCREASING both CA/60 and CF/60, he’s not a shut down Dman, but a puck mover as well.

    Demers was one of the only guys who had the effect of INCREASING CF/60 while DECREASING CA/60, but part of that is being compared to Larsson’s numbers which are massive on both sides of the ledger.

    Here’s a link to my piece on Hamonic: http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2016/05/oiler-right-shot-dman-search-3-travis.html

    Here’s a link to my piece on Demer’s: http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2016/04/oiler-right-shot-dman-search-1-jason.html

    I haven’t finished my piece on Faulk yet though.

    I have Barrie in the higher group than you do given how well he did with very below average partners.

  91. thehop says:

    Visually better

    Hey man, I don’t have an issue with how you feel or that you feel comfortable sharing it here. Better here than not at all. I choose to ignore/avoid and that’s how I cope. Either way, take it easy an have a good day.

  92. Bag of Pucks says:

    I think the answer in trying to understand things like Orlando, and it’s especially pertinent for those who appreciate math and statistical modelling, is an appreciation of the reality that life itself is completely random.

    Any one of us could get hit by a truck, or diagnosed with cancer, or hit by a stray bullet, or fall in love with a Flames fan, tomorrow. All the worrying or stress in the world doesn’t change the fact that eventually your number comes up on the cosmic Roulette wheel.

    The moment you truly embrace that randomness, and thus stop hoping to assign logic or order to events, that is the moment you truly begin to embrace life imo.

    No, you can’t truly live each moment as if it’s your last (after all, there’s only so many times you can tell your boss to ‘eff off), but you can truly make an effort to make the most of each day you have. So that when tragic events happen, we can say with all honesty about the victims, theirs’ was a full life.

    Especially in western society, too many people live in denial of death. It creates false complacency that anything we have is guaranteed.

    And to John’s point, we live in an unmatched era of peace, prosperity and creature comforts. Surely we have to expect some weeds in that amazing garden?

  93. Water Fire says:

    Woodguy:
    Water Fire,

    Keith actually has the same effect:

    Here’s his CF/60 effect last year when they won the Cup:

    KEITH, DUNCAN65.46
    CRAWFORD, COREY9.27
    SEABROOK, BRENT8.26
    TOEWS, JONATHAN13.24
    SAAD, BRANDON-0.53
    HOSSA, MARIAN10.07
    KANE, PATRICK12.87
    RICHARDS, BRAD5.61
    SHAW, ANDREW9.5
    SHARP, PATRICK12.34
    ROZSIVAL, MICHAL6.37
    BICKELL, BRYAN7.23
    VERSTEEG, KRIS15.85
    KRUGER, MARCUS7.9
    DARLING, SCOTT-2.29
    RAANTA, ANTTI13.93
    SMITH, BEN4.58
    HJALMARSSON, NIKLAS8.84
    RUNDBLAD, DAVID2.88
    TERAVAINEN, TEUVO3.49
    NORDSTROM, JOAKIM4.94
    CARCILLO, DAN9.65

    I don’t see Letang as high event. He was rock solid when it counted playing a lot of minutes.

    Keith’s play in their first Cup was for me some of the best play by a defender i have ever seen.

    Players that have the puck have mess ups. For me that is different than sloppy undisciplined play. This is what I saw from Burns in the final, he was not good and also chippy which could have hurt them a lot more than it did.

    The best defensemen execute really well and make the right plays with the puck. As a result they also get points and contribute to the team offense.

    The talented guys that are inconsistent, force plays, miss assignments, make high risk plays showing a lack of gamesmanship, those players I see only as liabilities that more than negate their offense.

    My lesser than list are players I see that way. I think the Oilers can be a have a great D core without the obvious offensive defensemen bleeding from the jugular.

  94. Water Fire says:

    Also, Pittsburgh’s total domination of San Jose was done with one elite defensemen and a very suspect group after that, one which Sullivan couldn’t trust :).

    I thought San Jose could exploit that group, but their lack of speed negated their regular season possession ability, combined with no tempo. I think Chicago or Tampa would have pushed back much more as they play that style as well.

    I hope the Oilers saw that butt kicking right. No more skating challenged please.

  95. Woodguy says:

    Water Fire,

    I don’t see Letang as high event.

    You’re going to have to give me your definition of “high event” then.

    The standard definition is: “more shots for and against happen when this player is on the ice”

    That is certainly true of Letang.

  96. John Chambers says:

    Visually better,

    I too was profoundly sad upon reading the news yesterday. But it was also my son’s 5th birthday and I found peace in building his new lego set with him and hosting family to share in the day.

    Like BoP says we should only be grateful for what we do have (we have a lousy NHL hockey team, but WE HAVE AN NHL HOCKEY TEAM!!!!). Our grandparents lived through a lot of tragedy from which our generation has been virtually insulated.

    I think in Canada we’re fortunate to have built a culture where differing points of view are encouraged that enables us to balance our own needs against those of others in and outside of the country, of the environment, and of future generations.

    Indeed it’s tragic, but the hatemongers will quiesce and as has been the case, will ultimately find themselves on the wrong side of history.

  97. Rondo says:

    John Chambers,

    You live in a dream world.

  98. John Chambers says:

    Rondo:
    John Chambers,

    You live in a dream world.

    Thanks! I quite enjoy it.

  99. thehop says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Fuck the Flames… I would rather love a gloryhole at the Strat on Whyte than love the Flames.

  100. Woogie63 says:

    I am struck at a company conference in Toronto today. Two of my colleagues are refs in the OHL (one ref, one linesman), they both think Olli Juolevi is the best 18 year old in the OHL.

    Both think Matt Tkachuk has to get faster and stronger down low

  101. AsiaOil says:

    Trading Hall is a move that a loser organization makes.

    Drafting an average skater and guy who needs an invitation to the defensive zone like Tkachuk at #4 when it is already 4 deep at LW is a move a loser organization makes

    Giving a a good but clearly not elite dman like Demers $5 million+ and a NTC is a move a loser organization makes.

    Gifting million, top 6 time and PP minutes to one dimensional wingers who refuse to play two way hockey is a move that a loser organizations make

    Gifting millions and minutes to forwards who are among the worst possession players in the league is a move that a loser organization makes

    Gifting millions and minutes to defensemen who are among the worst HDSA players in the league is a move a loser organization makes

    I very much hope that I am not cheering for a loser organization this fall.

  102. Richard S.S. says:

    Has any announcement been made about the Cap for next year? If the NHLPA puts in the “kicker” at least 6 Teams will be in bad trouble and will start “leaking” Players. If the Cap falls instead, there will be more significant opportunities for the Oilers.

    While Brandon Davidson, Darnell Nurse, Griffin Reinhart, Nail Yakupov, the #4 and other picks are not of equal value, they are each a valued asset for this team. Why? They are economic bargains for a Cap-tight Team – they are cheap and effective. At some point, the Oilers need to be the predator feeding on the bloated bodies of Cap-crushed Teams. We need to see what they have for “dinner”.

  103. GCW_69 says:

    “Second-pairing RHD to partner with Sekera (Tyson Barrie, Sami Vatanen)”

    Waiting for the day you add Severson to this list. He is better value.

  104. Магия 10 says:

    AsiaOil: Trading Hall is a move that a loser organization makes.

    http://oilersnation.com/2016/6/13/the-pittsburgh-penguins-three-scoring-lines

    “Like Edmonton, Pittsburgh has a relatively weak defence that needed careful management. Like Edmonton, the Penguins boast a collection of high-end scoring stars mixed with less potent depth pieces…

    …The funny thing is that if Edmonton wants to do so, it can follow Pittsburgh’s lead easily enough by building three lines around forward pairs:

    Connor McDavid and one of Benoit Pouliot or Jordan Eberle
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and the other of Pouliot/Eberle
    Taylor Hall and Leon Draisaitl

    …Reading the tea leaves, I’m skeptical that Edmonton plans to employ a three-line attack, but I wonder whether Pittsburgh’s success late in the year might not change that view…”

    Hasn’t made a dent on some of the fans eager to gut the forwards as the ONLY way to add passing D. Hopefully management is more imaginative than we fear.

  105. AsiaOil says:

    I have a feeling that a defenseman available around the #7 slot has a shot at being considered a top 3 pick in a few years. Which one – well – that’s a good question.

    Woogie63: I am struck at a company conference in Toronto today. Two of my colleagues are refs in the OHL (one ref, one linesman), they both think Olli Juolevi is the best 18 year old in the OHL.

  106. UnjustEnrichment says:

    Woogie63,

    As stated previously, Juolevi speaks with precision and confidence, and he plays the game in a similar fashion. We do not need a slow left-winger; we need a smart defenseman with skill who can transport the puck into the offensive zone or pass it. You can have all the talented forwards in the world, but if you have a defence that cannot move the puck up the ice, the talented forwards become ineffective and either do too little or try to do too much.

    Yes to Juolevi.

  107. Lowetide says:

    UnjustEnrichment:
    Woogie63,

    As stated previously, Juolevi speaks with precision and confidence, and he plays the game in a similar fashion. We do not need a slow left-winger; we need a smart defenseman with skill who can transport the puck into the offensive zone or pass it. You can have all the talented forwards in the world, but if you have a defence that cannot move the puck up the ice, the talented forwards become ineffective and either do too little or try to do too much.

    Yes to Juolevi.

    There is no math reason to favor Juolevi or Sergachev or Chychrun. That said, I like Juolevi very much.

  108. GoopyFunSeeker says:

    I’m not a huge fan of the remaining options available for D if Shattenkirk, Faulk, Hamonic are all off the market. I can only assume it gets even more diluted as the expansion comes into play. Hopefully PC has some tricks up his sleeve.

  109. thehop says:

    Lowetide,

    It’s because he is a Finn….

    That has to be why.

  110. Chachi says:

    Matt Tkachuk is so slow when he tries to cross the street he gets a parking ticket
    Matt Tkachuk is so slow they measured his 40 yd dash with a calendar
    Matt Tkachuk is so slow he came in 3rd in a 2 man race
    Matt Tkachuk is so slow he is going to be late to his own funeral

  111. Lowetide says:

    GCW_69:
    “Second-pairing RHD to partner with Sekera (Tyson Barrie, Sami Vatanen)”

    Waiting for the day you add Severson to this list.He is better value.

    It is a line in the sand, not a recommendation. My list is here.

    I have Severson No. 14, based on value and availability
    http://lowetide.ca/2016/06/08/something-happening-here/

  112. AsiaOil says:

    Магия 10,

    Sure that model is sitting there and fits our forwards. I like these C/W pairs:

    CMD-Pouliot
    Drai-Hall
    RNH-Maroon

    The RW needs to be pretty much completely overhauled because neither Yak nor Eberle are suitable for this system. Those guys take up $8.5 million of cap and I would prefer to substitute $2-4 million two way wingers who can play a 200 foot game and forcheck like mad to free up our elite centers and Hall. Basically a couple more Pouliots who are a bit faster.

    That leaves guys like Kass/Hendo/Testube etc etc for the 4th line and injury callup to the 3rd line – and plenty of assets to upgrade the defense. Totally insane to trade Hall and can’t believe people are actually suggesting it makes sense – it doesn’t – only robs Peter to pay Paul and makes us no better.

  113. remlap says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: I see highschool got out early today….

    Sarcasm is bad ladies and gents!

  114. Chachi says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: I see highschool got out early today….

    Wooooooooooooooosh!

  115. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    AsiaOil:
    Магия 10,

    Sure that model is sitting there and fits our forwards. I like these C/W pairs:

    CMD-Pouliot
    Drai-Hall
    RNH-Maroon

    The RW needs to be pretty much completely overhauled because neither Yak nor Eberle are suitable for this system. Those guys take up $8.5 million of cap and I would prefer to substitute $2-4 million two way wingers who can play a 200 foot game and forcheck like mad to free up our elite centers and Hall. Basically a couple more Pouliots who are a bit faster.

    That leaves guys like Kass/Hendo/Testube etc etc for the 4th line and injury callup to the 3rd line – and plenty of assets to upgrade the defense. Totally insane to trade Hall and can’t believe people are actually suggesting it makes sense – it doesn’t – only robs Peter to pay Paul and makes us no better.

    I pretty much agree with everything you said. How about Craig Smith and Teddy Purcell top 2 wingers? Not flashy but Teddy already has the chemistry with Hall & Drai and Smith might be a good fit with McD. Keeping Nuge allows us to move Drai to RW if we want to load up top 2 lines or someone gets hurt.

  116. spoiler says:

    So buyouts begin on Wednesday, but we don’t have a cap announcement?

    Anyone know when the information needed to actually make the buyout decisions will be available?

  117. Lowetide says:

    I don’t want to jail, but I will.

  118. Visually better says:

    Lowetide: This is a hockey forum and an escape, but it is also a caring place. It is a very difficult world we all live in, and sometimes there is no other place to go in order to let it all out—and that can help, too. You have given all of us something to think about VB, because if this impacts you then for certain it impacts others.

    I have lived long enough to know that the answers are not easy and that leadership is required. That, for me, is the most distressing thing about our current time.

    Fin.

    Thank you for understanding, and for your words i very much appreciate it. That was more or less my intent was to create a dialogue around it and to hear others opinions. I have tired to discuss it with friends and family and they seem to either share the same sentiment as me, or others choose to just simply ignore it, or even some see it as main stream media attempting to scare us etc.. Anyways, I have to remember that this blog serves a different and unique purpose each individual to take part in this blog. Whether it is an escape from work and the daily stresses of life; or just simply for shear entertainment and insight. So although I was attempting to use it as a platform to discuss current events with some of the very intelligent people of this blog, I have to realize this site is to talk about our Oilers, often times when it strays from hockey talk it is usually ends up being a never ending banter/debate and personal attacks come up. We can personally attack eachothers opinions about hockey because thats what we do here, when politics and what not get brought up, it usually doesn’t end well.

    I just want to thank you again LT for all the work you do, your articles offer such great insight on not only the Oilers, but life as an Albertan and much more. Would also like to thank all the other contributors to this blog, as I have learned a great deal from reading the comments and also very much enjoy being a part of the conversation.

    Question for you LT. I have seen some various Oilers related twitter polls lately, but I was just thinking. Seeing as most of the frequent readers and commenters(?) also follow you on twitter (im assuming), I just thought that it would be cool to either make a daily or weekly twitter poll on some of the hot topic discussions we share on this blog. I’m not sure if you could incorporate them directly into your blog (like oilers nation) or just on your twitter, but I think questions like: Which d-men should we go after, if we keep the 4th pick who should the oilers take etc.. just creates a more visual and informative way of looking at what the fine gentleman of this blog have to think.

    anyways, just a thought.

    Ps. I think the oilers should trade for Barrie and draft Dubois, and sign Lucic.. Just my two cents.

  119. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: I pretty much agree with everything you said. How about Craig Smith and Teddy Purcell top 2 wingers? Not flashy but Teddy already has the chemistry with Hall & Drai and Smith might be a good fit with McD. Keeping Nuge allows us to move Drai to RW if we want to load up top 2 lines or someone gets hurt.

    I agree with the subtractions (Yak and Ebs) as well, but Teddy Purcell is not an effective 200ft player. I think we have to aim higher than that.

    I like Okposo as an FA add. Not sure why he rarely gets mentioned instead of Lucic? Big boy that can cycle like Lance Armstrong on a week long HGH binge.

  120. UnjustEnrichment says:

    Lowetide,

    I did very well in math when I was a high school student, but my assessment of hockey players has never been math-based, or, at least, never exclusively math-based.

    When I look at the Oilers, the “problem” I see is a lot of talented players, few of whom are true leaders. A lot of them come from the “entitlement generation”, which does not take criticism well and expects pats on the back all of the time. Fair enough. Not everyone is born to lead.

    But we do need to look for players with leadership potential., players around whom a team will naturally coalesce. Taylor Hall is talented but he was not born to lead; he doesn’t have the necessary gravitas. He s flashy and entertaining, but he is not someone you look to for sobering thought or thoughtful guidance. I see leadership potential in the Nuge, but perhaps he is a little quiet. Both need a little more philosophy and a little less smiling. So… I think the Oilers need to start looking for something different, character-wise, in the way they have been drafting. If you listen to Juolevi speak, and then watch him play, he presents as a very articulate young man who will lead both in words and in actions. He is confident but not cocky, and has the look of a leader in his eyes. Aside from his obvious physical talents and hockey skills, he seems very mature for his age.

    In short, I think that math alone is not enough; we need to draft players with the right mental make-up. This, of course, is not a science. Not everything can be broken down into numbers. I would love it if we could have each player write an essay based upon a prescribed topic in the space of an hour. Or write an essay on the meaning of a poem or piece of theatre. By reading those essays, I think we would learn something that math does not tell us. The apparent certainty of mathematical analysis blinds us to the intangibles, and seems built upon the assumption that everything non-mathematical is unimportant.

  121. square_wheels says:

    Магия 10,

    After all of this spring/summer hypothesizing over Hall traded, or Lucic brought in, or handedness………we need to fix this fucking D.

    If that’s just Vatannen for Pou/Yak and Demers for money……..I’m ok with this fwd group as long as Korpse is fired into the sun and we use the other Pittsburg model – sign vets for cheap at the end of the summer when they’ve priced themselves out of the market. Let the kids play in Bakersfield.

    Add a Fehr or a Cullen, fill the AHL with smart, great skating and versatile players drafted in later rounds.

    Then bask in the glory that is McDavid and Hall.

  122. Snowman says:

    UnjustEnrichment,

    This thinking is basically nonsense in my mind. Taylor Hall two time Memorial cup champion, two time memorial cup MVP, captain of those teams, two time world champion…. but not a leader because you wouldn’t go to him for sober thought? Have you ever spoken to him? Do you know him very well? Observed him in the locker room? Asked a teammate about him? I’m going to bet no. None of those things… so because you don’t like what you see on TV you can declare Taylor Hall not a leader….

    Conversely you do like what you see in an 18 year Finnish defenseman. You’d go to him for sober thought? Ever spoken to him? Ever asked for his advice? No again? Weird…

    Prospects take personality tests. They go through countless interviews. Their friends, family and teachers are interviewed. Teammates and coaches are interviewed. If you think they don’t dig into mental capacity or personality traits you’re mistaken. Big time.

    You know what writing an essay about a piece of theatre will tell you? Who likes to write or enjoys theatre. Basically nothing about hockey.

    If you base drafting around “the look of a leader in his eyes” you are going to have a shitty hockey team.

    I’m of a totally opposite mind, if an intangible matters, it shows up in the Math. Its unavoidable. If an intangible trait has a positive impact on a player’s performance or his teams performance it will show up in the Math. It will. Guaranteed.

    This type of intangible thinking is exactly how you overpay veteran defenseman. Ignore the maths… he’s a leader and winner… God help us all.

  123. Ducey says:

    The Pittsburg Model. What a bunch of BS.

    How many of you will pick Pittsburg to win the Stanley next year? Not me.

    The playoffs are a small sample determined by a few 50/50 overtimes, luck, momentum, and hot goalies.

    If we are going to look for models, lets look at the ones that prevail over 82 games. That seems to be the hurdle for the Oilers.

  124. Drew says:

    square_wheels:
    Магия 10,

    After all of this spring/summer hypothesizingover Hall traded, or Lucic brought in, or handedness………we need to fix this fucking D.

    If that’s just Vatannen for Pou/Yak and Demers for money……..I’m ok with this fwd group as long as Korpse is fired into the sun and we use the other Pittsburg model – sign vets for cheap at the end of the summer when they’ve priced themselves out of the market. Let the kids play in Bakersfield.

    Add a Fehr or a Cullen, fill the AHL with smart, great skating and versatile players drafted in later rounds.

    Then bask in the glory that is McDavid and Hall.

    I troll Stauffer alot, asking him why the Oilers insist on playing Korpikoski despite the numbers, he will not bite. i wonder why the love from the management group?

  125. Drew says:

    Ducey:
    The Pittsburg Model.What a bunch of BS.

    How many of you will pick Pittsburg to win the Stanley next year?Not me.

    The playoffs are a small sample determined by a few 50/50 overtimes, luck, momentum, and hot goalies.

    If we are going to look for models, lets look at the ones that prevail over 82 games. That seems to be the hurdle for the Oilers.

    i am going with the SI swim suite model myself.

  126. godot10 says:

    The Oilers can’t play the Pittsburgh model with Maroon, Tkachuk, and Kassian on wing. The wingers all have to be above average to great skaters to play the way Pittsburgh played.

    Fayne and Gryba and Clendening also do not fit into the Pittsburgh model.

    You should play a system that suits the talent at hand. McLellan has one particular system. He is not systems diverse in his coaching. Chiarelli will have to get players to fit McLellan’s system.

    The Chiarelli/McLellan model is one big slow winger on each line. More dump/place and chase than rush for zone entry. Volume shooting.

    McDavid didn’t listen to the coach much. He continued to rush the puck and didn’t place and chase. Nugent-Hopkins listend to the coach and placed and chased too much and it hurt his offense.

  127. russ99 says:

    Ducey:
    I will be interested to see what happens with Justin Schultz.

    He has a Stanley now but played just 7:33 last night; 6:14 at evens.

    The game before that he played 11:51; 10:51 EV

    And the game before that he was 10:19; 9:41 EV

    I can’t see PIT signing him as an RFA at $4 M, but maybe they let him go to UFA and then sign him for a few years at a lower annual salary.

    Not sure how Letang didn’t get the Conn Smythe. The guy was playing half of each of the games.

    I’d suspect Schultz resigns with Pittsburgh at a significantly lower deal. He likes it there and has a coach he can grow with in Gonchar,

  128. pts2pndr says:

    Lowetide,

    Hi LT

    To play devils advocate while math may not say it Sergachev gets my vote for the following
    1. Is excelling playing on the right side defense
    2. Size advantage
    3. His shot is sorely lacking team wise

    Given the above I would have no problem with Oilers taking him with their number 4 pick. This might be slight overpay but given what is suggested on this site as fair payment for a first pairing defenseman it may be the prudent move!!

  129. UnjustEnrichment says:

    Snowman,

    Snowman, I think your response is part hyperbole, part over-reaction. Notice I said “part”. I understand where you are coming from, I just do not agree with the general thrust of your argument.

    There is no point in any of us writing on this blog if we can only write about first-hand encounters with the hockey players. We are all, for the most part, speculating and uttering opinions. In any case, if someone–for instance, you–have had first-hand encounters with some of the players, that likely makes you a bit biased in their favor.

    A so-called judge who knows the accused personally should recuse himself/herself from hearing the trial. Otherwise there is an apprehension of bias, whether real or imagined. An acquittal from a buddy might not be a true acquittal, if you know what I mean.

    I did not say that my views were scientific or objective; I said just the opposite. The essence of what I was saying is that numbers leave a lot of stuff out. Numbers can cause us to ignore other valuable data. I guess we disagree there.

    One of the biggest problem with numbers is how they get produced and interpreted. You can have all of the best data in the world at your fingertips, but if you have an idiot producing or interpreting that data, his/her decisions, irrespective of the data, are likely to be, well, idiotic.

    When talking about the draft, we are talking about finding players with good potential. Potential is not enough; players with potential still need to develop in order to succeed. I described Juolevi as someone with the potential to be a king. That means he is not a king just yet. Maybe Hall was once a player with the potential to be a king. Has he become one? How much time do we give him? Has he plateaued? What about Yakupov? Statistics made him look good as a junior, and almost everyone here was recommending him as the pick, but what has he done as a pro? Do statistics tell the whole story? What about attitude and maturity? What about classroom size and the quality of the teaching? What about the capacity to learn how to become better? What about becoming a team player? What about showing up when the going gets tough?

    I would rather draft a good player who can learn to be a great one than pick a very good player who cannot learn to become more than he was on draft day. The Oilers have clearly been making some questionable choices at the draft. Why? Are they looking for players with the right mental equipment and the right psychological make-up? Who is conducting the interviews at the draft combine? Maybe we need a new interviewer/interpreter?

    Finally, regarding poetry and theatre, one can learn a lot about someone by how they approach reading and understanding a poem or a play. Knowing what MacBeth is about might help one evaluate Mr. Trump as a presidential candidate.

    How does this player’s mind work? Does he have an imagination? Is he seeing the poem only as a reflection of himself? Or is he able to look beyond his own self and appreciate creative possibilities and meanings that go beyond his scope of experience and horizon of expectations?

    Unfortunately, it appears a lot of young players never become what they have the potential to be. They are so used to hearing they are “great” already that they no longer believe they have anything left to learn. Let’s draft players with potential, who have the capacity to learn and develop into more than they are on draft day. Will numbers help us do that? Will numbers alone help us do that? I do not think so. You may disagree with me if you wish.

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