THE GOOD FACE

I tend to have a positive outlook on life, if you have dropped in to this blog over time suspect you know that is true. I was impressed with Kevin Lowe as general manager until the lockout, thought Craig MacTavish had the brain for the GM job and did not give up on Steve Tambellini until after he signed Cam Barker as the defensive solution in 2011.

I am hopeful that Peter Chiarelli has a good summer. Adding more sunshine to the situation, in my opinion this roster has enough ridiculous elements that PC can probably move things forward even with an average summer. Seriously. Address RHD times two, don’t bugger up the forwards too badly, music! Right?

  • Darcy Regier: “I once asked Al Arbour what’s the secret to building a team? He said no secret, it’s not complicated. Get good players.” Source

I have been reading comments from observers about adding more grit and size and speed and grimace, but for me that simple little Al Arbour line shines like a diamond. I think a team does need big wingers and smaller skill wingers and slap shots from the points and passers and yes, even defenders who give more than half of their value in their own end. You may not believe in every word on every line, but the idea of gathering useful players and keeping them should be a universal commandment of team building. Fair?

  • Darcy Regier: “I think if you miss the playoffs three years in a row, and blow everything up, you’re more likely to miss the playoffs seven years in a row.” Source

The article is from May of 2006. Darcy Regier told us our own future, plain and simple. Regier is hockey royalty—he was drafted by the California Golden Seals—but he learned from Bill Torrey and Al Arbour and the Islanders family. His words, now a decade old, have been bought and paid for by every Oilers fan since 2006.

THE GOOD FACE

Each spring, after the season, Oilers fans like us grind ourselves into a fine white powder arguing over Justin Faulk versus Jason Demers versus Tyson Barrie. We can agree on the slotting of these players, but at some level the idea is to get more of them than the other guy. That’s it. The coach looks a lot smarter in a hurry when the capable veterans increase and flat out rookies decrease—especially on defense.

When observers of the game begin to talk about things like grit, or rugged play, it is important to remember those things get measured, too. I happen to think that Taylor Hall gives great effort, Benoit Pouliot too, and Matt Hendricks as well. You know what? That effort, that hard work, shows up in the numbers.

If we cannot agree on that, we cannot agree on much, and there you are.

GEEZ ALOU

A long, long time ago, I wondered about things. One fall day, a man named Jesus Alou wandered to the plate for the Oakland A’s in a WS game. Now, Jesus was the least famous of the Alou brothers (Matty, Felipe) and was the lesser on the field. He was still rather famous (some people, like my Dad, would use him to swear: ‘Geeze Alou’ was used instead of the more inflammatory JC) but did not hold on to a regular job for a long time.

Long before Bill James and Pete Palmer—and certainly before Corsi—we were still blessed with the brain God gave us. Jesus Alou and his baseball card always made me wonder about his place as a regular in the Houston outfield. In 1970, he had almost 500 plate appearances, but very little power and he didn’t walk a lot. He was not a strong fielder and often played LF. He was, and I have no proof beyond my own voice, the least productive regular outfielder in the game and we knew it. He always had a good batting average though, and the announcers would talk about that and those dynamite Alou boys so the world rolled along. It should also be mentioned that Astros team played in the Grand Canyon and home runs were hard to find.

HOCKEY’S ALOU

Hockey statistics improve every year, slowly but surely identifying any Jesus Alou playing regular minutes. I would suggest that analytics have lowered the perceived and actual value of:

  • Average goaltenders
  • Enforcers
  • Defensive defensemen

I would further suggest analytics has increased the value of:

  • Possession players
  • Offensive players who score at 5×5 game state
  • Effective two-way defensemen

That is my list, you may have a different one. At the end of every season, I look at a few key statistics in order to take all the piss out of my own bias.

CORSI FOR PERCENTAGE 5X5 (REL TEAM)

Forwards

  1. Taylor Hall 3.5
  2. Leon Draisaitl 3.4
  3. Jordan Eberle 2.9
  4. Connor McDavid 2.6
  5. Benoit Pouliot 2.4
  6. Nail Yakupov 1.0
  7. Anton Lander -0.7
  8. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins -1.7

I value 5×5 points-per-60 more for forwards, but this metric has real value too. Although we don’t know qual comp and usage completely, we do know that most of these players are the heart of the team and playing tough minutes. What do these numbers tell you?

  • Taylor Hall drives the game. He just does.
  • Connor McDavid was a ridiculous rookie and will be an even better sophomore.
  • Leon Draisaitl was terrific in a complementary role in his first full season.
  • Jordan Eberle, one dimension forward, was effective again. Very consistent player.
  • Benoit Pouliot remains vastly underrated.
  • Nail Yakupov was able to play a complementary role on the McDavid line.
  • Anton Lander was solid in possession, or at least good enough to stick around if his bat warranted it.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins was not healthy and his number fell from previous level.

Defense

  1. Brandon Davidson 4.1
  2. Oscar Klefbom 1.9
  3. Eric Gryba 1.2
  4. Mark Fayne 0.6
  5. Andrej Sekera 0.1
  6. Griffin Reinhart -2.9
  7. Darnell Nurse -4.8

Information via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com.

  • Brandon Davidson had a brilliant season. People are raving about the Pittsburgh Penguins ability to make quick decisions with the puck in the defensive zone—Davidson did that for Edmonton when he was in the lineup.
  • Oscar Klefbom is a true gem. If healthy, and able to play at last year’s levels, he will be a major story for the Oilers and probably emerge as a national star. If only he had a good face.
  • Eric Gryba, defensive defenseman, had a reasonable season on the third pairing. I know most of you are not enamored with this player type, but he was effective in that role.
  • Mark Fayne also posted a reasonable number, especially considering the opposition he was playing. I remain convinced Peter Chiarelli will be unable to find three better RHD in one summer.
  • Andrej Sekera had a strong year when taking into account the uphill battle and some of his partners.
  • The kids were not ready, no matter their pedigree.

THE HALL CHATTER

I posted my revised Chiarelli asset list yesterday, shuffling the deck chairs based on latest intel. By far the most reaction came from those upset about Taylor Hall possibly being moved. It is difficult to make sense of a Hall trade, especially if you work through that kind of a transaction historically. I am always reminded of the Gary Carter trade, it basically flattened the Montreal Expos in 1985 and 1986 (they would recover, but not contend consistently for the rest of the decade). This kind of trade is rare because it is so damned dangerous. One thing we can do? Parse reports with fevered forensics:

  • Darren Dreger on TSN1260: “And then you have to look at the big names in play here. Edmonton may have a couple. Eberle’s name has been out there forever. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins’ name has been out there. I’ll tell you what – during the Stanley Cup Final, Taylor Hall’s name became more of a name of interest than the other two, for obvious reasons.” Source

That is not Taylor Hall is being traded, that is Taylor Hall is a player of interest. There is a difference.

  • Darren Dreger about Hall back in early April: ‘Look. There’s one untouchable and his name is Connor McDavid. The next on that list is Taylor Hall being close to untouchable.’ Source.

I will tell you that the odds of winning a Taylor Hall trade are not good. The problem for these deals is that they inevitably start with one (lesser) player and is then followed by a bunch of bing cherries and too much icing. It is a poor recipe.

Can PC win a Hall trade? Slight chance. If he could pry Hampus Lindholm and Rikard Rikell out of Anaheim—and sign Milan Lucic—there is a path to victory. I do not think that deal is out there, and would not trade Taylor Hall.

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158 Responses to "THE GOOD FACE"

  1. frjohnk says:

    Didn’t Chia say at the end of the year that “there are a couple of guys who are untouchable?”

    McDavid of course and I’d hazard a guess Hall as the other guy.

    I don’t see Hall being traded unless he asks out.

  2. PunjabiOil says:

    I love that Al Arbour quote because of it’s simplicity yet highly powerful message.

    Steve Tambellini, and to a lesser extent, Craig MacTavish did not subscribe to that theory. As a result they suffered.

  3. rickithebear says:

    I do not argue over Demers/Faulk/ Barrie.
    they are 4th line off production forwards pretending to be Dmen in there own end.
    1 is an above average Def Dman.
    2 are chase the 1st pick Def Dmen.

    II keep saying you want 4th line Off Production Dmen.
    Give Matt Hendricks a go.
    You will get a heck of a lot better HSCA and GA with him!

  4. Frank the dog says:

    I suspect Chia heard Al Arbor too.
    I agree that Hall’s not going anywhere unless he asks.
    I also believe that Chia will only make trades that improve the team. Chia by now will have placed a value on the head of every player he has, and will have identified the player type and ranking he would need back for each player leaving town. He’s a hardA$$ and it’s about time we had one ion the GM chair in this town.

  5. slopitch says:

    Of course Hall became of interest during the final. Pittsburgh out skated every opponent into the ground and had one of the more dominant playoff runs in the past 10 years despite the average D. Hall can skate like the wind. I don’t move him (unless Karlsson or Lindholm are available).

    Nuge, Nurse and Reinhart I don’t think are advisable to sell low on. That said, Nuge will still have value being a quality C who is young.

    The assets I move are Pouliot, Eberle or the 4th overall. Selling high on the 4th overall seems like the right move. After CBJ goes 3rd. Because if Puljarvi is available I don’t move the pick. If no one bites on the pick then Chai needs to get creative. Trading seems to be a game of chicken and Chai seems to play it well.

  6. OilClog says:

    McDavid is wonderful.

    How wonderful will he be if the Oilers ship out their biggest puck driver and the opposition truly only has to focus on slowing his line down because the rest of the squad is average and no one else is left that can put pressure on heals.

    And if Calgary does hire Eakins, I think we can all agree seeing Hall determined to make that man eat shit is something that needs to take place.

  7. Frank the dog says:

    OilClog:
    McDavid is wonderful.

    How wonderful will he be if the Oilers ship out their biggest puck driver and the opposition truly only has to focus on slowing his line down because the rest of the squad is average and no one else is left that can put pressure on heals.

    And if Calgary does hire Eakins, I think we can all agree seeing Hall determined to make that man eat shit is something that needs to take place.

    On the other hand, there is no worse sight that I can imagine, than an Eakins coached Calgary team making us eat ****

  8. npanciroli says:

    I have faith that Chia only trades Hall for a legit defender around the same age. With that said I worry it ends up being for Hamonic + lesser pieces.

    The more I think about it, the more it seems like it will be a LW or a LHD that gets traded for a RHD.

  9. SugarRay says:

    Long time reader, first time poster. Great stuff here LT!

    A Hall trade only makes sense if the Oilers get an established RH dman in return. Too big an asset to give up on potential IMO. Very difficult to pull off a fair value trade here.

    I’ve come to the conclusion the more likely bet is Pouliot or Nuge get shipped out. Either way this trade must be made before the draft as who you draft depends on who gets shipped out (Dubois/Tkachuk).

    One free agent name I haven’t seen thrown around much on this blog is Andrew Ladd. What is the reasonable cost on signing a guy like him as opposed to Lucic? Obviously a little older and production starting to trend down but I believe he is exactly what the young forwards need. Someone who commands respect through his pedigree and play. Not a grizzled vet at the end of his career who expects the respect based soley on resume. The kids still need someone outside of the coaching staff to keep them in check and to me he is the perfect fit.

  10. kinger_OIL says:

    – LT it’s a great post. My question though is you have identified a dozen players that based on the fancy stats for most, and by eye for some that meet Al Arbours “Good Players”

    – So we really have another dozen that aren’t good players.

    – So what is Chia going to do? Fancy stats aren’t a substitute for what happened on the ice last year, and it wasn’t pretty. Lest we forget how awful we were as a team.

    – Yes to injuries, young players, no balance, no back-up goalie when Talbot struggled, etc.

    It will be interesting to see what Chia does: a few tweaks (because fancy stats says we have a good core, and had some bad luck, as per above), or a big-overhaul because we really sucked last year in terms of results.

    – I’m kind of in the : “do you remember how much we sucked last year” camp, but recognize some of the stuff you highlight as well.

  11. Lowetide says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – LT it’s a great post.My question though is you have identified a dozen players that based on the fancy stats for most, and by eye for some that meet Al Arbours “Good Players”

    – So we really have another dozen that aren’t good players.

    – So what is Chia going to do?Fancy stats aren’t a substitute for what happened on the ice last year, and it wasn’t pretty.Lest we forget how awful we were as a team.

    – Yes to injuries, young players, no balance, no back-up goalie when Talbot struggled, etc.

    It will be interesting to see what Chia does: a few tweaks (because fancy stats says we have a good core, and had some bad luck, as per above), or a big-overhaul because we really sucked last year in terms of results.

    – I’m kind of in the : “do you remember how much we sucked last year” camp, but recognize some of the stuff you highlight as well.

    You identified a big one, the injuries—along with lack of depth. Edmonton needs to build in two areas: NHL level, where we have discussed their needs, and bubbling under, which we have discussed some but not a lot yet. Ethan Bear might have the best career of all the RHD, but he is years away and is not signed. That is a problem. They need the current Bear, a Bear in the AHL and an NHL Bear.

  12. JimmyV1965 says:

    You nailed it LT. If we trade Hall in a 3 for 1 deal we get hammered every time. If we somehow manage to trade him in a Subban deal that’s great, but we all know the likelihood of that happening.

  13. Fog of Warts says:

    This kind of trade is rare because it is so damned dangers.

    Staples has one of those, too, this morning, where the emotion circuits impede habitual shoelace tying.

    P.S. Now THIS is Jutzing:

    I watched a career retrospective on Jon Stewart yesterday.

    Rachel Maddow says he achieved “emotional trust” from his audience because he did the work behind the scenes to renew himself for every show. When she appeared on the show to promote her research-heavy book Drift: The Unmooring of American Military Power, not only had Stewart read the book to prepare for the interview, he had read several related books that helped to set the context. For a five minute interview. On The Daily Show.

    Stewart once had a famous confrontation with Chris Wallace, in which he stated that his “agenda” was to expose absurdity, contrivance, corruption, and lack of authenticity. With a point of view, not from a point of view, which is what Wallace was trying to pin on him.

    Everything Rumfoord did he did with style, making all mankind look good.

    Everything Constant did he did in style—aggressively, loudly, childishly, wastefully—making himself and mankind look bad.

    I first read that passage circa 1977. Recalling that moment, I can almost picture my bedroom at that exact moment. Majestic. It functions simultaneously as a novelistic manifesto, and a manifesto root canal. There’s girls. You’re trying to figure out what those are, and how to get a taste of the good stuff. And there’s this other thing. Adulthood. You’re trying to figure out what that involves.

    And then there it is. Candygram from the other side. Soooo—adulthood is apparently a sorry affair, but you can, at least—with some effort—take your own stripes to the party.

    I have, at times, in these august pages, drifted into taking myself too seriously. I was thinking yesterday that this particular sin is underrated. It’s a fine place to visit, if you show up all out of bubblegum, ready to kick ass—mostly your own. Renewal is hard work. Sometimes one must break eggs to make an omelette.

    Rumfoord:

    Sometimes I think it is a great mistake to have matter that can think and feel. It complains so. By the same token, though, I suppose that boulders and mountains and moons could be accused of being a little too phlegmatic.

    Ah, yes. And then there’s Tambellini. Pure animal phlegmatism.

  14. Woodguy says:

    Here are the top 15 NHL players via 5v5 pts/gm over the last 3 seasons:

    BENN, JAMIE 2.65
    TARASENKO, VLADIMIR 2.5
    SEGUIN, TYLER 2.5
    CROSBY, SIDNEY 2.49
    GETZLAF, RYAN 2.42
    KANE, PATRICK 2.4
    PERRY, COREY 2.39
    HALL, TAYLOR 2.38
    PALAT, ONDREJ 2.33
    DUCHENE, MATT 2.32
    MALKIN, EVGENI 2.29
    PASTRNAK, DAVID 2.24
    WHEELER, BLAKE 2.23
    TAVARES, JOHN 2.23
    THORNTON, JOE 2.21

    3 of those 15 have been traded.

    Seguin, Wheeler and Thornton.

    All traded by the Bruins. (nice team you got there LT)

    2 of the 3 were traded by Chiarelli (Seguin and Wheeler)

    I hope to hell he’s learned from that.

    SEGUIN

    Seguin was traded for (along with Peverly and Button) : Reilly Smith, Joe Morrow, Matt Fraser and Loui Eriksson.

    Smith was traded for Hayes who has 2 years left.

    Morrow still on the team. Not a regular.

    Fraser was lost to waivers (to EDM)

    Eriksson is a UFA.

    So pretty much fuck all left from that trade.

    WHEELER

    The Wheeler trade wasn’t as bad as he wasn’t the player then (22 years old) that he is today, but seeing as he blossomed as soon as he left BOS there is a discussion to be had that they were not using him properly. He was good with Bergeron, but struggled with Krejci.

    Wheeler + Stuart for Peverley and Valabik.

    THORNTON

    Thornton moved for Stuart, Sturm and Primeu.

    BOS lost that trade the second they made it, just like the Seguin trade.

    Moral of the story?

    NEVER be the GM who receives the 3 in a 3 for 1 deal, you never, ever win.

  15. Woodguy says:

    PunjabiOil:
    I love that Al Arbour quote because of it’s simplicity yet highly powerful message.

    Steve Tambellini, and to a lesser extent, Craig MacTavish did not subscribe to that theory.As a result they suffered.

    I think Tambellini and MacT subscribed to the same theory.

    Problem with them is that:

    1) Tambellini couldn’t acquire any good players unless it was at the top of the draft
    2) MacT couldn’t properly evaluate who is a good player (see: Schultz vs Petry)

  16. SumOil says:

    I dont see the reason to trade away any of our forwards. Our forward lineup can rival that of the Penguins. McDavid should be an elite forward very soon and Hall can take on the driver of the other line. RNH and Eberle are just one season removed from the incredible run they had with Todd Nelson at the helm.

    A healthy RNH will give us 3 solid lines and a top 9 which will be the envy of the league.
    Hall-Drai-X
    Pouliot-McDavid-X
    X-RNH-Eberle

    Now we only need to get the right players to replace X.
    Depending on the price one of them could be Okposo or Lui Erikson over Stamkos. We have Maroon and someone like Stempniak who LT has mentioned time and again.

    That is a heck of top 9.

    Now we need to dangle Yak, 4th overall and other draft picks and cap space to get one RHD.

    Klefbom-RHD
    Sekera-Fayne
    Davidon-Gryba

    is a very good starting point for the defense. It maynot be a stanley cup defense but it can get you into playoff with that top 9.

    People who point out that Oilers were just a 29th place team are really underestimating the time spent by core players on IR and also time RNH, Eberle and Pouliot played injured

  17. Lowetide says:

    The hiring of Carlyle in Anaheim, does that increase the odds of Edmonton doing a deal with them? I think it does. Interesting two weeks straight ahead!

  18. Bag of Pucks says:

    I think it’s best if Chia gets a potential 1D that’s young enough to fit with the McDavid, Drai, #4 pick, Nurse, Klefbom core as it thus extends the championship compete window for that group.

    Seth Jones was the perfect fit, but, alas, that ship has sailed. That said, the Johansen return likely sets the market for Chia’s deal.

    So, if you want good AND young, it will need to be either RNH plus a sweetener or Hall.

    Otherwise, they’re going to take on a guy with some warts on the defensive side (e.g. Shattenkirk, Vatanen, Barrie, etc.) and thus is not a legitimate 1D.

    Personally, I’d rather Chia pull the trigger on the big deal as I’m tired of band-aid solutions, but that’s probably fan fatigue talking.

    It would suck to trade Hall and then a year from now have Klefbom or Nurse playing like a legit #1.

  19. Lowetide says:

    SumOil:
    I dont see the reason to trade away any of our forwards. Our forward lineup can rival that of the Penguins. McDavid should be an elite forward very soon and Hall can take on the driver of the other line. RNH and Eberle are just one season removed from the incredible run they had withTodd Nelson at the helm.

    Yes. I believe this absolutely.

  20. Oilanderp says:

    Lowetide: You identified a big one, the injuries—along with lack of depth. Edmonton needs to build in two areas: NHL level, where we have discussed their needs, and bubbling under, which we have discussed some but not a lot yet. Ethan Bear might have the best career of all the RHD, but he is years away and is not signed. That is a problem. They need the current Bear, a Bear in the AHL and an NHL Bear.

    That’s 3 bears!

  21. GoopyFunSeeker says:

    Is it just me or do we seem to be stuck in Ground Hogs day here

    Trade Hall for a top pairing RHD
    Don’t Trade Hall
    PC wouldn’t trade Hall *Unless he requests a trade*
    He’s untouchable
    Trade Eberle
    Dont’ Trade Eberle

    10 days 7 hours 25 minuts and 5 seconds

    4

    3

    2

    Till the Draft

    and FINALLY…we’ll have something to talk about again

  22. Магия 10 says:

    Oilanderp: That’s 3 bears!

    I want a Bear. And then I’ll have another one. And his other brother Bear.

  23. HugThePost says:

    if all of these rumblings about trading someone with the quality of Hall and how undeniably foolish it would be does not tighten the sphincter of any Oilers fan, I do not know what will.

    If Chia does trade Hall, would he become the first GM in NHL history to trade the #1 and #2 draft picks from the same year?

  24. Магия 10 says:

    GoopyFunSeeker:
    Is it just me or do we seem to be stuck in Ground Hogs day here

    Trade Hall for a top pairing RHD
    Don’t Trade Hall
    PC wouldn’t trade Hall *Unless he requests a trade*
    He’s untouchable
    Trade Eberle
    Dont’ Trade Eberle

    10 days 7 hours 25 minuts and 5 seconds

    4

    3

    2

    Till the Draft

    and FINALLY…we’ll have something to talk about again

    Don’t trade Hall. click. click, click.
    They’re gonna trade Hall. click.click.click.
    What fine things can we get when they trade Hall. click. click.click.
    Don’t trade Hall.click.click.click.

    The draft can’t happen soon enough to provide new inputs to the ol’ neural network.

  25. zatch says:

    SumOil,

    thisthisthisthisthisthisthis

    On top of that, this makes me want to move the 1st rounder this year even more.

  26. rickithebear says:

    Speaking of Defending: Since 12-13 lockout. 210 Dmen
    your primary job is keep the shots in the area 85% of goals come from as low as possible.
    Defend the net bitches!
    1. A. Greene 294gm 8.05 HSCA/60
    2. Vlasic SJS 306gm 8.51
    3. Bortuzzo 173gm 8.62
    4. Ekholm 245gm 8.63
    4. Stoner 261gm 8.63
    6. Ellis 269gm 8.64
    7. Manson 100gm 8.75
    8. Larsson 209gm 8.77
    9. Weber 299gm 8.80
    10. Josi 302gm 8.83
    11. Ekblad 165gm 8.86
    11. Spurgeon 283gm 8.86
    *13. Brodin 297gm 8.96
    14. M. Greene 157gm 8.96
    15. Muzzin 327gm 9.04
    *16. K. Miller 170gm 9.05
    17. Zidlicky 277gm 9.06
    18. Jackman 310gm 9.09
    19. TVR 111gm 9.21
    20. B. Smith 271gm 9.23
    21. Gelinas 162gm 9.24
    *23. Lindholm 270gm 9.35
    *24. Prout 207gm 9.37
    24. Suter 323gm 9.37
    *26. Vatanen 222gm 9.38
    27. Hjarlmasson 362gm 9.40
    28. braun SJS 315gm 9.41
    *30. Tyutin 248gm 9.46
    ——————————————-Top 30 #1 HSCA D
    *31. Shattenkirk 295gm 9.53
    36. I. Cole PIT 234gm 9.58
    37. Fayne 246gm 9.59
    *37. Lovejoy PIT UFA 288gm 9.59
    42. Campbell UFA 300gm 9.72
    *42. Severson 123gm 9.72
    44. Doughty 339gm 9.79
    46. Tanev 247gm 9.82
    52. Gudbranson 243gm 10.02
    54. Goloubef 95gm 10.06
    59. Savard 227gm 10.17
    60. Dumoulin 122gm 10.19
    ———————————————-Top 60 #2 HSCA D
    64. Polak UFA 291gm 10.22
    66. Dumba 168gm 10.28
    *71. Demers UFA 261gm 10.36
    76. Boychuk 313gm 10.44
    76. Murray 164gm 10.44
    79. Pietrangelo 320gm 10.50
    82. Matta 196gm 10.53
    83. De Haan 204gm 10.55
    86. Beauliea 163gm 10.58
    86. Hedman 303gm 10.58
    —————————————- Top 90 #3 HSCA D
    91. Subban 308gm 10.61
    97. Schenn UFA 268gm 10.69
    104. Mcdonagh 327gm 10.74
    105. Letang PIT 263gm 10.76
    108. Fowler 299gm 10.77
    109. Schlemko UFA 200gm 10.79
    112. Brodie 290gm 10.15
    118. Hamhuis UFA 253gm 10.94
    ——————————————— Top 120 #4 HSCA D
    121. Martin SJS 282gm 10.97
    127. Seabrook 361gm 10.99
    129. Giordano 254gm 11.03
    135. Karlsson 279gm 11.11
    139. D. Hamilton 279gm 11.16
    141. Burns SJS 305gm 11.28
    *142. Trouba 215gm 11.29
    143. OEL 285gm 11.31
    149. Byfuglien 275gm 11.43
    ———————————————– Top 150 #5 HSCA D
    151. Bogosian 214gm 11.45
    164. Petry 269gm 11.85
    166. Goligoski 310gm 11.86
    *166. Hamonic 277gm 11.86
    174. Myers 249gm 11.99
    —————————————— top 180 #6 HSCA D
    186. Smid 174gm 12.34
    187. Ference 209gm 12.35
    *189. Faulk 260gm 12.47
    190. Ristolainen 194gm 12.43
    191. Sekera 265gm 12.47
    *194. Yandle 320gm 12.54
    *196. Barrie 257gm 12.71
    204. Phanuef 276gm 13.26
    205. Reilly 236gm 13.35
    206. Schultz 281gm 13.37
    210. Nurse 71gm 14.06
    ————————————— #7 HSCA D

  27. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Woodguy:

    Moral of the story?

    NEVER be the GM who receives the 3 in a 3 for 1 deal, you never, ever win.

    True but if you are the GM receiving the 6 in a 6 for 1 you win 100% of the time!
    *cough* Lindros

  28. Andy Dufresne says:

    Oilanderp: That’s 3 bears!

    First it’s Unicorns. Now it’s Goldilocks. What’s next…an Ogre in the net?!

    All sounds pretty Grimm….

  29. stevezie says:

    Fog of Warts,

    Keep quoting Vonnegut and Goldman.

  30. digger50 says:

    Brilliant message today thank you LT. Get good Players.

    Then we revert back to “I would only trade Hall if…….”. And the message is lost. Hall is a good player, trade him for anyone and you only swapping parts and problems. Again pretty simple and has been said repeatedly. Keep Good Players.

    There are a half dozen options to gain good players before you get to swapping out. I don’t think the Oilers have yet flushed out thier roster with good players. Keep filling the roster with good players.

    1. Exploit other teams lack of cap space
    2. Move draft pics
    3. Trade number 4 pick
    4. Free agency
    5. Coach and develop near prospects
    6. Trade those requesting trades
    7. Watch/Take opportunities to trade excess players

  31. Younger Oil says:

    I dunno, to me if you can get a return similar to the Rick Nash deal for Hall (Dubinsky, Anisimov, and a 1st), I do that in a second.

    Obviously not players in the same positions, but like a good RHD, a good left wing, and a 1st rounder would be a hell of a deal.

    Would the equivalent be something like Wilson, Ellis, and a pick from Nashville? Are there seriously people here who would say no to that?

  32. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    SumOil:
    I dont see the reason to trade away any of our forwards. Our forward lineup can rival that of the Penguins. McDavid should be an elite forward very soon and Hall can take on the driver of the other line. RNH and Eberle are just one season removed from the incredible run they had withTodd Nelson at the helm.

    A healthy RNH will give us 3 solid lines and a top 9 which will be the envy of the league.
    Hall-Drai-X
    Pouliot-McDavid-X
    X-RNH-Eberle

    Now we only need to get the right players to replace X.
    Depending on the price one of them could be Okposo or Lui Erikson over Stamkos. We have Maroon and someone like Stempniak who LT has mentioned time and again.

    That is a heck of top 9.

    Now we need to dangle Yak, 4th overall and other draft picks and cap space to get one RHD.

    Klefbom-RHD
    Sekera-Fayne
    Davidon-Gryba

    is a very good starting point for the defense. It maynot be a stanley cup defense but it can get you into playoff with that top 9.

    People who point out that Oilers were just a 29th place team are really underestimating the time spent by core players on IR and also time RNH, Eberle and Pouliot played injured

    That’s $12 Million on your 3rd line for two guys. Not a bad idea if there wasnt that thing called a salary cap.

  33. Water Fire says:

    Woodguy:
    Here are the top 15 NHL players via 5v5 pts/gm over the last 3 seasons:

    BENN, JAMIE2.65
    TARASENKO, VLADIMIR2.5
    SEGUIN, TYLER2.5
    CROSBY, SIDNEY2.49
    GETZLAF, RYAN2.42
    KANE, PATRICK2.4
    PERRY, COREY2.39
    HALL, TAYLOR2.38
    PALAT, ONDREJ2.33
    DUCHENE, MATT2.32
    MALKIN, EVGENI2.29
    PASTRNAK, DAVID2.24
    WHEELER, BLAKE2.23
    TAVARES, JOHN2.23
    THORNTON, JOE2.21

    3 of those 15 have been traded.

    Seguin, Wheeler and Thornton.

    All traded by the Bruins.(nice team you got there LT)

    2 of the 3 were traded by Chiarelli (Seguin and Wheeler)

    I hope to hell he’s learned from that.

    SEGUIN

    Seguin was traded for (along with Peverly and Button) :Reilly Smith, Joe Morrow, Matt Fraser and Loui Eriksson.

    Smith was traded for Hayes who has 2 years left.

    Morrow still on the team. Not a regular.

    Fraser was lost to waivers (to EDM)

    Eriksson is a UFA.

    So pretty much fuck all left from that trade.

    WHEELER

    The Wheeler trade wasn’t as bad as he wasn’t the player then (22 years old) that he is today, but seeing as he blossomed as soon as he left BOS there is a discussion to be had that they were not using him properly.He was good with Bergeron, but struggled with Krejci.

    Wheeler + Stuart for Peverley and Valabik.

    THORNTON

    Thornton moved for Stuart, Sturm and Primeu.

    BOS lost that trade the second they made it, just like the Seguin trade.

    Moral of the story?

    NEVER be the GM who receives the 3 in a 3 for 1 deal, you never, ever win.

    Quoted for truth. I might also add that those here that have looked into trading down in the draft showed that many deals worked in advantage for the team trading up.

  34. Andy Dufresne says:

    Looking at the next 3 months from a macro point of view, i wonder which road Chia takes

    1) Expansion draft limits us to one top pairing RHD and an expendable 3rd pair PP specialst ( ex// Franson/Wideman type) otherwise we have to leave a guy like Brandon Davidson unprotected

    or,

    2) 2016 is the perfect storm of circumstances a) Cap forces many teams to divest of quality players they would not otherwise be moving b) expanison draft motivates some GM’s to move players they can’t protect c)Oilers have cap space d) Oilers have MANY assets they can offer in trade: SO, LOAD UP NOW! while the getting is good, trade for 3 good RHD and a RW and a Goalie and let the expansion chips fall where they may. There may never be another opportunity to do this all in a single offseason!

    If ever a team needed a cosmic size rebalancing, it’s this one.

  35. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear,

    The fact that you have Zidlicky and Stoner as top 20 defensemen in the league should be enough to question your data dump

  36. su_dhillon says:

    I wonder if there will be a day where as a fan I am not deathly afraid of end of June/beginning of July.
    You are not winning a Hall trade and turning this team around doesn’t require a deal of that size anyways. Make it stop!

  37. Water Fire says:

    Lowetide:
    The hiring of Carlyle in Anaheim, does that increase the odds of Edmonton doing a deal with them? I think it does. Interesting two weeks straight ahead!

    This is the most nervous I’ve been at this time of year. What if Chiarelli thinks the way to better has to do with intangibles like Carlyle and sends out skill. I don’t think he’s dense but man those deals he did are brutal and unsettling.

    I truly hope they saw these playoffs good.

  38. haters says:

    rickithebear:
    I do not argue over Demers/Faulk/ Barrie.
    they are 4th line off production forwards pretending to be Dmen in there own end.
    1 is an above average Def Dman.
    2 are chase the 1st pick Def Dmen.

    II keep saying you want4th line Off Production Dmen.
    Give Matt Hendricks a go.
    You will get a heck of a lot better HSCA and GA with him!

    Demers in my opinion is the better bet, but Faulk and Barrie haven’t exactly been playing on teams that boast great numbers all around. Quality of forwards and d partners must be an issue to talk about.
    I’m trying to see your reasoning on this but the tangent of 4th line forwards makes little to no sense.
    Ask yourself
    1 How do defenseman usually contribute points? ( completely unfair to judge them next to forwards imo)
    2 What do said defenseman bring every night ? ( good passer, box protection ect .. )
    3 What does this team lack currently ? ( Rhd that can pass the puck on at least on pairing possibly 2)
    4 What is the cost and will the expansion be an issue as far as protecting them.

    In conclusion I think getting 1 of the said 3 would be ideal. Any more and you run into a defensive issue as far as limiting chances against .
    In 2013-14 Doughty went 78gp 10g 27a 37 pts. Are we saying that his numbers are reflective of a 3rd line forward and we would do as well with one in that spot ?? I don’t get it

  39. Shane says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes,

    Pittsburgh just had two people on their third line making combined 12.85m in their Stanley Cup win.

  40. digger50 says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes,

    Missing the point. Make two lines of it looks better on paper and a third to be made from filling in the X’s starting with Marroon. Point being there is so much potential there.

  41. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    The hiring of Carlyle in Anaheim, does that increase the odds of Edmonton doing a deal with them? I think it does. Interesting two weeks straight ahead!

    This is more or less where I am.

    Hall doesn’t strike me as a Carlyle kind of guy.

    Now Nurse, on the other hand…

    And if we’re being completely honest, the one true area of depth on this team is LD, not center, not left-wing, not even in prospects or picks.

  42. Lowetide says:

    If EDM trade their LW to ANA & Hampus Lindholm is not included, that should be regarded as an epic fail? Or epic fail no matter the return?

  43. Магия 10 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    You nailed it LT.If we trade Hall in a 3 for 1 deal we get hammered every time. If we somehow manage to trade him in a Subban deal that’s great, but we all know the likelihood of that happening.

    It’s even harder to lose as big on a 3 for 3. But with an expansion draft in the news and the alleged Oiler interest in robbing Peter to get D it’s worth recalling what happened on expansion draft day 1967 when the Hawks had a brilliant plan to ‘steal’ a young great skating hard nosed D:

    http://thehockeywriters.com/a-trade-that-shaped-a-franchise/

  44. Water Fire says:

    RexLibris: This is more or less where I am.

    Hall doesn’t strike me as a Carlyle kind of guy.

    Now Nurse, on the other hand…

    And if we’re being completely honest, the one true area of depth on this team is LD, not center, not left-wing, not even in prospects or picks.

    If they would do Nurse + (no Austins or centres) for Lindholm you have to do that.

  45. Магия 10 says:

    Lowetide:
    If EDMtrade their LW to ANA & Hampus Lindholm is not included, that should be regarded as an epic fail? Or epic fail no matter the return?

    Hawks projected another 22 year old D back in ’67 and were amazed that they had stolen away Marrotte!

  46. npanciroli says:

    Lowetide:
    If EDMtrade their LW to ANA & Hampus Lindholm is not included, that should be regarded as an epic fail? Or epic fail no matter the return?

    Depends on the LW. Pouliot for Vatanen I can get behind. Hall for Lindholm I can get behind.

  47. speeds says:

    We talked about this last night, I had heard before that Arizona might be looking to move picks to improve now, so in the back of my mind I was kind of theinking about them, here is some confirmation that that may be a possibility?

    McKenzie could see #Coyotes using first round picks as currency to get better now. Doesn't see #Leafs trading No. 1. https://t.co/12ISqeeo95— Chris Nichols (@NicholsOnHockey) June 14, 2016

    Would you, if you were Chia, move Eberle for 7 OV, and try to sign Okposo/Stamkos, some other RH F to replace now, or make a trade for another RH F?

    Would ARZ look at that kind of deal?

  48. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Here are Offseason targets I would like to see. Faulk, Subban, Demers not realistic/too expensive IMO and not a lot in FA other than Demers and possibly Lucic. Good players who wouldnt cost us Hall:

    RW Craig Smith – Bigger, grittier, cheaper than Eberle with similar production. Put him with McD and Maroon.
    RW Nino Niederreiter – Shooter who plays with passion & determination. Would look good w/ Hall & Drai
    RW Teemu Pulkkinen – Kid has a rocket of a shot and gritty player. Det has influx of forwards can be had
    C Austin Watson – Big strong 2 way forward with skill. Perfect #3 Centre can be shutdown if needed
    RHD Matt Dumba – Alberta kid big shot still developing. Minny loaded at D.
    RHD David Savard – Big guy nice all round defenseman.

    We need guys that fit our style of play. Pittsburgh showed us that matters. No question guys like Eberle, Yakupov and Fayne have talent but would likely flourish elsewhere. Sure, get good players but you have to give up good players to get them usually. Might as well trade the guys that don’t fit your system for guys that do.

  49. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    Im with Waterfire, the first choice is anything and anyone for Lindholm not named Hall/McD.

    But the broader question – If Lindholm is the real deal – what’s his influence on the remaining players at 25min/ night vs. Hall at 19 min on the LW ?

    I’m stuck – isnt that a good old fashion hockey trade ? Or do the analytics not provide the black and white answer comparing a 1LW to a 1D LHD ?

  50. Chachi says:

    Woodguy:
    Here are the top 15 NHL players via 5v5 pts/gm over the last 3 seasons:

    BENN, JAMIE2.65
    TARASENKO, VLADIMIR2.5
    SEGUIN, TYLER2.5
    CROSBY, SIDNEY2.49
    GETZLAF, RYAN2.42
    KANE, PATRICK2.4
    PERRY, COREY2.39
    HALL, TAYLOR2.38
    PALAT, ONDREJ2.33
    DUCHENE, MATT2.32
    MALKIN, EVGENI2.29
    PASTRNAK, DAVID2.24
    WHEELER, BLAKE2.23
    TAVARES, JOHN2.23
    THORNTON, JOE2.21

    3 of those 15 have been traded.

    Seguin, Wheeler and Thornton.

    All traded by the Bruins.(nice team you got there LT)

    2 of the 3 were traded by Chiarelli (Seguin and Wheeler)

    I hope to hell he’s learned from that.

    SEGUIN

    Seguin was traded for (along with Peverly and Button) :Reilly Smith, Joe Morrow, Matt Fraser and Loui Eriksson.

    Smith was traded for Hayes who has 2 years left.

    Morrow still on the team. Not a regular.

    Fraser was lost to waivers (to EDM)

    Eriksson is a UFA.

    So pretty much fuck all left from that trade.

    WHEELER

    The Wheeler trade wasn’t as bad as he wasn’t the player then (22 years old) that he is today, but seeing as he blossomed as soon as he left BOS there is a discussion to be had that they were not using him properly.He was good with Bergeron, but struggled with Krejci.

    Wheeler + Stuart for Peverley and Valabik.

    THORNTON

    Thornton moved for Stuart, Sturm and Primeu.

    BOS lost that trade the second they made it, just like the Seguin trade.

    Moral of the story?

    NEVER be the GM who receives the 3 in a 3 for 1 deal, you never, ever win.

    Jimmy Carson was traded to his home town of Detroit along with Kevin McClelland and a fifth round draft pick for Adam Graves, Petr Klíma and Joe Murphy.

    I guess you could technically say this was a 3 for 3, but McClelland was pretty close to done as an NHLer at that point. Regardless, the fact this is the only Oilers trade I can think of that comes even close to being the exception to your rule and the fact I had to go back to a previous century to find it makes me think your rule is pretty much iron clad.

  51. RexLibris says:

    Water Fire: Quoted for truth. I might also add that those here that have looked into trading down in the draft showed that many deals worked in advantage for the team trading up.

    Depends on what you get.

    I’ve been discussing this with Bruce and others on twitter and the draft value chart suggests that PHX could conceivably do their 7th and 20th for the 4th, which would allow the Oilers to pick up Juolevi, Chychrun or Sergachev and have a shot at Debrincat or another quality player falling in the draft (and they will).

    PHX certainly gets the better immediate prospect, but EDM can then get a good shot at a potential 1st pairing defender as well as add another forward prospect to their thinning development ranks.

  52. Younger Oil says:

    Lowetide:
    If EDMtrade their LW to ANA & Hampus Lindholm is not included, that should be regarded as an epic fail? Or epic fail no matter the return?

    Definitely not. Rakell, Vatanen, and Manson would be an incredible return.

    It would be disappointing not to get Lindholm for sure, but I would be estatic if that deal was made.

    Now, I doubt Anaheim would do that deal, but just saying the deal is a fail if the Oilers don’t get a specific player would be pretty narrowminded. It all depends on the deal though, there are definitely many trades that would clearly be bad.

  53. RexLibris says:

    speeds:
    We talked about this last night, I had heard before that ARizone might be looking to move picks to improve now, so in the back of my mind I was kind of theinking about them, here is some confirmation that that may be a possibility?

    Would you, if you were Chia, move Eberle for 7 OV, and try to sign Okposo/Stamkos, some other RH F to replace now, or make a trade for another RH F?

    Would ARZ look at that kind of deal?

    RW is replaceable, albeit not at a level of Eberle. You are looking at one of the ones you mention above with players like Stempniak as the fallback option (a significant dropoff from Okposo, Stamkos and Eberle).

    However, wingers are essentially the hired guns of the NHL and I’d far rather try to replace Eberle than Hall.

  54. OilClog says:

    Younger Oil:
    I dunno, to me if you can get a return similar to the Rick Nash deal for Hall (Dubinsky, Anisimov, and a 1st), I do that in a second.

    Obviously not players in the same positions, but like a good RHD, a good left wing, and a 1st rounder would be a hell of a deal.

    Would the equivalent be something like Wilson, Ellis, and a pick from Nashville? Are there seriously people here who would say no to that?

    I’d say no, Hall is the best player by a landslide.

    Oilers are in a position to do an3 for 1 themselves.

    #4 overall, Nurse, Pou.

    What does that cash in?

    More then likely much more impactful then a Taylor Hall trade return

  55. RexLibris says:

    Younger Oil: Definitely not. Rakell, Vatanen, and Manson would be an incredible return.

    It would be disappointing not to get Lindholm for sure, but I would be estatic if that deal was made.

    Now, I doubt Anaheim would do that deal, but just saying the deal is a fail if the Oilers don’t get a specific player would be pretty narrowminded. It all depends on the deal though, there are definitely many trades that would clearly be bad.

    The reason that trade doesn’t work for EDM is that Rakell isn’t anywhere near Hall’s level, Vatanen is a 2nd line RHD who needs heavy protection, perhaps ideally suited as 3rd RHD with 1st PP minutes, and Manson is still developing. It pushes the timeline further into the future and into McDavid’s early to mid-20s by which time Rakell is long gone and Vatanen is entering UFA years. You’ll essentially have traded Hall for Manson.

  56. Lowetide says:

    Магия 10: Hawks projected another 22 year old D back in ’67 and were amazed that they had stolen away Marrotte!

    Man, that was a Bruins trade that worked out! 🙂

  57. jonrmcleod says:

    The Associated Press @AP
    APNewsBreak: Source says NHL settles on Las Vegas as choice for expansion.

  58. RexLibris says:

    OilClog: I’d say no, Hall is the best player by a landslide.

    Oilers are in a position to do an3 for 1 themselves.

    #4 overall, Nurse, Pou.

    What does that cash in?

    More then likely much more impactful then a Taylor Hall trade return

    Now we’re talking.

    Nurse and Pouliot have value, the 4th overall certainly has value, arguably more to other teams than to the Oilers who’ve been drafting at the top of the order for nearly a decade (Eberle being their lowest pick). Trade those for two RHD, move Eberle for PHX’s 7th or some such, sign Okposo or Lucic and you’ve got a fairly radical overhaul of the roster without touching the key pieces at center or Hall.

  59. Lowetide says:

    jonrmcleod:
    The Associated Press @AP
    APNewsBreak: Source says NHL settles on Las Vegas as choice for expansion.

    I am booking passage!

  60. RexLibris says:

    jonrmcleod:
    The Associated Press @AP
    APNewsBreak: Source says NHL settles on Las Vegas as choice for expansion.

    “NHL rolls the dice on expansion in the desert!”
    “New team expects to strip some good talent from existing rosters”
    “Las Vegas ownership gambles on hiring new franchise’s historic first GM”
    “Will Lady Luck be in Vegas’ corner at the upcoming Draft lottery?”

    The headlines will practically write themselves, at least for the first two years.

    I recall Luongo saying something about Vegas being the first team in history to go 41-0 at home because of home ice advantage. Scotty Bowman would’ve blown a gasket trying to babysit his team in that city!

  61. Pouzar says:

    RexLibris: I’ve been discussing this with Bruce and others on twitter and the draft value chart suggests that PHX could conceivably do their 7th and 20th for the 4th, which would allow the Oilers to pick up Juolevi, Chychrun or Sergachev and have a shot at Debrincat or another quality player falling in the draft (and they will).

    Yes Please.

  62. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: I am booking passage!

    Checking the net to see if they’ve posted a wanted ad for sales staff or arena announcers? Might want to ask for more than room and board, though.
    🙂

  63. Магия 10 says:

    Lowetide: Man, that was a Bruins trade that worked out!

    Don’t care to see Anaheim win big cashing in on small sample sizes from a 22 year old. That’s what drove the Hawks to ruination.

  64. Rosco says:

    I worry Chia’s hand is getting forced here a little… Job #1 for him is to add to the D (preferably a RHD with some PP acumen).

    There are some major issues with having a job like this exposed for all to see and other GMs thinking Hall could be available. This would make the idea of acquiring any of the other pieces the Oilers have not as nearly palatable ie. Eberle, the #4, etc.

    If I’m Snow for example and I know the OIlers would covet Hamonic, why would I want Eberle and Davidson for Hamonic and Strome… I would offer Hamonic and Strome for Hall and see what happens. Then possibly add the #19 for the #63 later as a sweetener if I can keep Chia on the phone.

    Would Chia do it if he thinks he can get Lucic? I hope not but I think he would…

  65. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy: NEVER be the GM who receives the 3 in a 3 for 1 deal, you never, ever win.

    Eric Brewer, Jeff Woywitka and Doug Lynch for…………….one glorious year of ‘Keep It In Yer Pants’ Pronger (CFP to his mates.)

  66. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Man, that was a Bruins trade that worked out!

    That book you have describes the Bruins’ acquiring Esposito from Chicago.

    How Schmidt heard that he was available from Ivan (I believe) and called in a media favour to see what was the backstory, incredulous that the Hawks would be trading him away.

    Suppose the Hockey Gords had to make them pay for it later with the Thornton deal. Making them do it again with the Seguin deal just seems vindictive.

  67. Bag of Pucks says:

    Are there any Oil fans who still see Nurse as a potentially dominant #1, or did one shaky rookie season (one where he was poorly sheltered) sour that projection?

    For me, Nurse is a wild horse, but that comes with his thoroughbred pedigree.

    I’m still holding out hope that as the much needed anticipation and positioning comes via more at bats, so too will the dominance for Darnell.

    The problem is that the only vet calming influence on the D core that can actually play is Sekera. Plug in a couple stalwart vets to calm the likes of Nurse, Reinhart and Oesterle and now you can spot those youngsters ala Schultz with the Pens.

    A poll was mentioned yesterday, how about: which of the following players do you think has the best chance of becoming a legit 1D?

    Oscar Klefbom
    Darnell Nurse
    Griffin Reinhart
    Jordan Oesterle
    Brandon Davidson
    None of the above

  68. Caribbeerman says:

    I understand the attachment to players on your favorite team – but the Oiler’s have only one player they cannot trade and that is Conner McDavid. Everyone else IS tradeable – it just depends on the return. I can count many players that I would trade Hall for but the reality is that 99.9% of those just won’t happen. It’s as simple as that (to me).

  69. RexLibris says:

    Rosco:
    I worry Chia’s hand is getting forced here a little… Job #1 for him is to add to the D (preferably a RHD with some PP acumen).

    There are some major issues with having a job like this exposed for all to see and other GMs thinking Hall could be available.This would make the idea of acquiring any of the other pieces the Oilers have not as nearly palatable ie. Eberle, the #4, etc.

    If I’m Snow for example and I know the OIlers would covet Hamonic, why would I want Eberle and Davidson for Hamonic and Strome… I would offer Hamonic and Strome for Hall and see what happens.Then possibly add the #19 for the #63 later as a sweetener if I can keep Chia on the phone.

    Would Chia do it if he thinks he can get Lucic? I hope not but I think he would…

    One could also argue that Snow has some heat on him as well.

    He is losing Okposo and Nielsen to free-agency, and while Hamonic rescinded his request, the fact remains that he did put his GM in a bind and Snow may want to pull the trigger now rather than risk being blindsided down the road.

    I think both GMs have some interest in making something happen. Doesn’t mean it will happen, but Chiarelli has Snow on the East coast and, I would suggest, Murray on the West coast to deal with.

    Now, if he can just pick up the phone and get in 5 minutes with Benning I think we could really go somewhere this off-season.

  70. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lowetide,

    One of the factors, in hind sight, that has hamstrung the Oilers for a decade is the fact that their best players have not been their leaders. Hence all the blue collar captains.

    Most recently the star players have been the young guns all of whom (somewhat understandably given their age) have shyed away from the mantle of leadership. When asked just last year regarding their desire to be leaders, both Hall and Eberle balked stating that they prefer to let their play on the ice speak for them.

    I could be corrected on this, but if we look at the Stanley Cup winners of the past 10 years or so, most if not all were led by MEN between the ages of 25 and 31.

    In typical Oiler fashion, we are at risk this year of trading significant young assets just as they enter the phase of their careers where they might start wanting and being able to assume the mantle of leadership. However this has to be juxtaposed against the need to rebalance the roster into a Win Now constitution. (on the bright side the Connor Mcdavids of the world are the rare exceptions who can legitimately lead at a very young age)

    Hopefully Chia strikes the correct balance. Surely to Gord we have entered the Win Now era and will stop building out into the future around clusters that will mature in three to five years. And yet you’ve got to rectify this teams imbalance….what a conundrum….I think whatever Chia does will be unsettling to all of us no matter what are views are on who should or shouldn’t be traded.

  71. Магия 10 says:

    RexLibris: That book you have describes the Bruins’ acquiring Esposito from Chicago.

    How Schmidt heard that he was available from Ivan (I believe) and called in a media favour to see what was the backstory, incredulous that the Hawks would be trading him away.

    Suppose the Hockey Gords had to make them pay for it later with the Thornton deal. Making them do it again with the Seguin deal just seems vindictive.

    “The Hawks felt they had pulled on over on the Bruins by prying Marotte from their grasp.”

    “An interest sidelight to the deal was that at the time, many ‘experts’ questioned whether the Bruins had given up too much for a group of underachievers.”

  72. RexLibris says:

    Just for interests’ sake, I went to scan the Canucks’ prospect list.

    I don’t recall ever seeing so shallow a prospect pool. Ever.

    I’m not even certain that this management group could back itself into a surplus of talent by way of the draft, the way they have been trading prospects and the like lately.

    I’m almost speechless at how poorly this franchise is being run right now.

  73. RexLibris says:

    Магия 10: “The Hawks felt they had pulled on over on the Bruins by prying Marotte from their grasp.”

    “An interest sidelight to the deal was that at the time, many ‘experts’ questioned whether the Bruins had given up too much for a group of underachievers.”

    Later overheard in the Chicago offices: “whoopsies…”

    Here’s the book I mentioned: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24904395-hockey-night-fever

  74. russ99 says:

    I’m not a fan of the “blow it all up” theory either.

    But stopping short adding 2 RHD (one at a lower level than we need) doesn’t fix glaring issues, and ensures the lottery for another year.

    If we want playoffs next year, and to be able to win a few playoff games against a division opponent, we also need a line who can hold their own vs. the toughs (the 4th line surely didn’t cut it last year) and we need our forwards be a lot better at the things that won the Pens the cup: solid forechecking in the O-zone and getting the puck back in the D-zone playing – both of which require playing well as 5-man units.

    I don’t see either of those happening without making changes to the forward group. And as Chia himself said, that’s not necessarily through getting bigger, but rather playing bigger.

  75. Rosco says:

    RexLibris: One could also argue that Snow has some heat on him as well.

    He is losing Okposo and Nielsen to free-agency, and while Hamonic rescinded his request, the fact remains that he did put his GM in a bind and Snow may want to pull the trigger now rather than risk being blindsided down the road.

    I think both GMs have some interest in making something happen. Doesn’t mean it will happen, but Chiarelli has Snow on the East coast and, I would suggest, Murray on the West coast to deal with.

    Now, if he can just pick up the phone and get in 5 minutes with Benning I think we could really go somewhere this off-season.

    True… Snow only has 2 more years of a discounted Tavares and Eberle would work quite well on his wing.

    Tanev would be a wonderful get, I don’t think it’s possible though.

  76. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy:

    Moral of the story?

    NEVER be the GM who receives the 3 in a 3 for 1 deal, you never, ever win.

    That’s just not true.

    Boston won when they traded Kessel for three picks and ended up with Seguin and Hamilton.
    Gomez to Montreal for prospects turned out well for Rangers when McDonagh turned out.
    Philly did well on their Carter and Richards trades.
    Carter for Voracek and the 1st that turned into Couturier
    Richards for Simmonds and Schenn

    I’m not pro trading Hall, but Chiarelli isn’t doing his job if he turns down a team improving trade just on general principle.

    Good GMs need to explore all options and judge moves based on individual merits. They can’t afford to manage based on mantras.

  77. godot10 says:

    Some people are not being practical in their suggestions.

    1) Demers is a July 1 option. It is high risk waiting till July 1 to add a defensemen. One has to have one defensemen in the bag before July 1. There is less risk trading one of the Austin’s for a D at the draft, and then attempting to replace the forward in a subsequent trade or on July 1. There are more options for forwards on July 1.

    2) It is lunacy to trade Eberle for a draft pick, and then hope one signs a free agent replacement on July 1. The Austin’s, if any go, have to go for a legit D who can play now.

  78. Woogie63 says:

    What type of team does PC want to build? More like;

    Pittsburgh- 4 lines, fast, but probably built to win one year.

    Chicago – 3 great young hockey player, some seasoned vets, built to win over a 5ish year period

    Detroit – made the play-offs 21 years in a row.

  79. Магия 10 says:

    Bank Shot: That’s just not true.

    Boston won when they traded Kessel for three picks and ended up with Seguin and Hamilton.
    Gomez to Montreal for prospects turned out well for Rangers when McDonagh turned out.
    Philly did well on their Carter and Richards trades.
    Carter for Voracek and the 1st that turned into Couturier
    Richards for Simmonds and Schenn

    I’m not pro trading Hall, but Chiarelli isn’t doing his job if he turns down a team improving trade just on general principle.

    Good GMs need to explore all options and judge moves based on individual merits. They can’t afford to manage based on mantras.

    I think the 3 for 1 mantra is about trying to make a bad 1-1 deal better with picks and prospects. In other words a corollary to best player wins the pick.

    Trading for a bunch of future picks is something else again, a high risk bet on the ineptitude of the other management team.

    Sometimes those trades for picks are about avoiding an offer sheet and getting a little bit more.

  80. godot10 says:

    Woogie63:
    What type of team does PC want to build?More like;

    Pittsburgh- 4 lines, fast, but probably built to win one year.

    Chicago – 3 great young hockey player, some seasoned vets, built to win over a 5ish year period

    Detroit – made the play-offs 21 years in a row.

    Pittsburgh probably can contend for several years if they manage their off-season well. The Oilers cannot model themselves on Pittsburgh because Chiarelli seems to like big wingers who are medicore skaters. Pittsburgh’s model requires every winger is above average or superior skater. Pittsburgh’s model is to put the puck in open space if no pass is available, and engage in a race to the puck. And attack the puck carrier with numbers and speed immediately.

    Chiarelli’s model looks more like Yzerman’s model.

  81. Water Fire says:

    square_wheels:
    Lowetide,

    Im with Waterfire, the first choice is anything and anyone for Lindholm not named Hall/McD.

    But the broader question – If Lindholm is the real deal – what’s his influence on the remaining players at 25min/ night vs. Hall at 19 min on the LW ?

    I’m stuck – isnt that a good old fashion hockey trade ? Or do the analytics not provide the black and white answer comparing a 1LW to a 1D LHD ?

    It’s a lateral move even if logical. The Oilers only get better by adding without subtracting as they have always done. Or dealing from a position of strength, but the only depth on the team is really LD.

    Pouliot is approaching the ledge because age and Maroon isn’t a definite top 6 LW. Hall is a much better player than Lucic so he’s not a replacement.

    Is Lucic and Lindholm > Hall and Demers?

    Don’t trade elite players is the story here, until you are cashing them in just before they fade off. Second tier guys, magic beans and cap relief, wait till somebody bites, look for decent UFA deals and grow your own.

  82. square_wheels says:

    RexLibris,

    Personally, I couldn’t be any happier for them.

    Burke, fan-trade of Lou,selling Schneider, Bieksa, Burrows, the greasy ass-hat anthem singer that tries to take Paul Lourieu’s thunder. Their fans burning down half the city.

    Lordy, can I hate a team anymore.

  83. Water Fire says:

    godot10: Pittsburgh probably can contend for several years if they manage their off-season well.The Oilers cannot model themselves on Pittsburgh because Chiarelli seems to like big wingers who are medicore skaters.Pittsburgh’s model requires every winger is above average or superior skater.Pittsburgh’s model is to put the puck in open space if no pass is available, and engage in a race to the puck.And attack the puck carrier with numbers and speed immediately.

    Chiarelli’s model looks more like Yzerman’s model.

    I thought McLellan liked place and chase, no? I remember many not liking it.

  84. square_wheels says:

    Water Fire,

    Agree.

    Unfortunately, our GM doesn’t have a position of strength because the entire league knows his weakness (D).

    And he has a shit track record of losing 3 for 1’s.

    I’m 100% in the camp of add Vatannen/Demers and maybe a 2nd tier RHD emerging from another team.

    Lets hope Chia surprises us and snags Joe Pesce’s nephew from Carolina – that’s what I’ve lit a candle and bled out some animals for.

  85. Caramel Batman says:

    If Chiarelli trades anyone other than Nurse he is doing it wrong.

    Assumptions:

    1) Nurse has huge trade value more than anyone but Hall (I might be wrong about this).
    2) Nurse does not have huge actual value (I’m not wrong about this).
    3) Nurse does not have huge potential value (I’m not wrong about this–he’s fine but he’ll never be a star).

    Hall is a star now. Nurse will probably never be a star. Trading Hall is crazy.

  86. blainer says:

    Just finished watching some highlights of Z. Paigin. What a prospect we have there. He has to be very close to NHL ready.

    I really think Davey could emerge as a # 1 D this year. Would not surprise me at all to see him challenge Klef in the fall.

    I would really prefer we just try and sign Demers because of impending expansion. Would rather two but it’s too risky IMO. I would really like to stock the team up front although expansion could be tricky there too.

    Hall Drai Eriksson

    Lucic CMD Eberle

    Pou Nuge Kassian

    Khaira Letestu Pak

    Klef Demers

    Sekera Fayne

    Nurse Davey

    Reinhart first callup

    Those three forward lines would be a monster on possession with a driver of play on each line even with this D. New vets who are ex teammates and would be a great match for the youngins. Not sure if the money works but it’s close.

    If we are unable to get Demers then one of the Austins or Pou will have to get traded.

    Do Not trade Hall ..

  87. meanashell11 says:

    A little birdie told me Don Maloney will be the GM of Vegas.

  88. thurmtim says:

    Here’s a question for the vaunted Lowetidian braintrust…

    If you trade for a player with salary retained by the original club, what happens in the case of a buyout? Is the hit automatically split as per the retained/unretained portions of the original salary? Could you screw up an opponent by trading for a bad contract with salary retained then buy out the player using your extra cap room vs your partner and leave them with a headache down the road?

    Who carries the load on a buyout of a “shared salary” contract like that?

    Hmmmm….. enquiring minds WANT to know!

  89. Water Fire says:

    blainer:
    Just finished watching some highlights of Z. Paigin. What a prospect we have there. He has to be very close to NHL ready.

    I really think Davey could emerge as a # 1 D this year. Would not surprise me at all to see him challenge Klef in the fall.

    I would really prefer we just try and sign Demers because of impending expansion. Would rather two but it’s too risky IMO. I would really like to stock the team up front although expansion could tricky there too.

    HallDrai Eriksson

    Lucic CMD Eberle

    Pou Nuge Kassian

    Khaira Letestu Pak

    Klef Demers

    Sekera Fayne

    Nurse Davey

    Reinhart first callup

    Those three forward lines would be a monster on possession with a driver of play on each line even with this D. New vets who are ex teammates and would be a great match for the youngins. Not sure if the money works but it’s close.

    If we are unable to get Demers then one of the Austins or Pou will have to get traded.

    Do Not trade Hall ..

    Your lineup is nice and fits under the cap, until Connor Leon Nurse and Reinhart get raises soon and then players will need to move.

    Teams can fit around 9 players at higher salaries typically, assuming one mega salary. That roster has 13 at least.

  90. jimmers2 says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Hope is a dangerous thing, Andy.

    Seriously though, the key to the lunch-bucket captain problem is simply the fact that since the departures of Horcoff, Souray, Staios, etc. they have lacked mature players who are effective on the ice, and who can be more comfortable with the role. The people brought in have for the most part turned out unreliable for various reasons (injury is a huge reason for Souray, Khabibulin, Whitney), fizzled (N Shultz, Nikitin, Barker) or were simply not up to the task due to much accumulated experience (Ference) or they lacked the means to affect the play on the ice (remember Hordichuk, brought in for character?) or wanted out (Perron). They have brought in some solid people here and there (Hendricks, Sekera) but have sent their own players coming into maturity. It is like a farm that sells pigs to market : one boar, some sows and a hell of a lot of piglets who all get sent away every year.

  91. godot10 says:

    Water Fire: I thought McLellan liked place and chase, no? I remember many not liking it.

    McLellan like place/dump and chase for zone entry.

    Pittsburgh’s model is place and chase for zone exit if no pass option is available, and rush/carry the puck in for zone entry. Pittsburgh put one no-name hyper-speed guy with both the Crosby pair and the Malkin pair. If a Pittsburgh D has no pass option, they don’t try dump it out along the wall or wait and regroup, they look to place the puck in open ice, and let the speedy forwards race for it. This also has the advantage of breaking down the structure of the opponent’s two d-men, which makes a rush zone entry easier, and an opponent’s counter attack more difficult.

    So far no one has figured out how to defend against it well. It is a brilliant contrarian model.

    Only Tampa came close.

  92. godot10 says:

    If Pittsburgh decides to move on from Malkin, I think they trade him to Arizona, for Hanzal, Dvorak, Murphy, #7OV, or something like that.

  93. Richard S.S. says:

    You can always get good Players, you just might not like what you get. Skill, speed and size are all that matter’s in Hockey.

    Size matters if it hinders a player moving in traffic or prevents him from going after the puck. Big is not always better. There’s always a limit on how big a player should be or how small a player should be. GMs don’t always make the best decisions.

    Speed matters when you can react faster than your opponents. There are certain minimum standards for moving forward, moving back, moving side-to-side that usually means skating well. GMs and especially Oiler GMs don’t make the right decision, let alone the best decisions. Those minimum standards are being raised rapidly and some teams are falling behind.

    Skill covers everything not involved in speed or size and the detail covered is massive. Yet there are certain minimum standards required for what a player does and certain exceptions for what a player is. That’s where standards must improve.

    Goalies need to skate relatively well or at least better than you think because they occasionally do something stupid. They need to be able to handle the puck, at least clearing it from the goal area without giving it straight to the opponents. A Goalies’ skill is limited, but within those limits they must be very good. Stopping the puck doesn’t matter if you keep clearing it onto an opponent’s stick.

    Defenseman need to be good at their primary job, preventing good offense by the opponents (or however else it might be explained). If they can’t do this job, you can’t keep them. They don’t need to score if they do the other things well. They need to control the puck enough to make very good passes and receive passes well. They need to know where the puck is always. They need to know where everyone is. They do this well and they are worth there weight in gold. If they can’t, why keep them.

    Forwards need to score well. They need an eye for the puck and a nose for the net. They need to be where the pick is, continually contesting for or controlling the puck. They need to burn to score. Natural-born Shooters are the best at this job and are hard to find. There are certain minimum defensive standards required of forwards and must be maintained. Some Teams have higher standards, but no one has less. These standards must get better. Shooters can have some defensive exceptions if their line-mates are better defensively.

    This has been about who comes in, who should stay and who might be a problem as well as complaining about past Oiler Teams. I feel better, I just don’t know if it does any good.

  94. SumOil says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes,

    That third line need not be the third line every night. That’s the beauty of our roster. In the finals pens had a 8.7 mil guy centering the third line. No one complained there

  95. semi legendary loner rot says:

    holy fuckertoonies, are we calling pittsburgh a model now?

    here’s part 1 of the model. draft a generational c and a franchise c, add a few talented players to play with them, then fill in the rest w mostly nhl players

    part 2 of the model is play justin shlulz as your 7d isntead of your 1d

  96. Jethro Tull says:

    Word on the street is Lombardi is looking to weasel out of the Brown contract. The expansion may be the best thing to happen to teams like LA.

  97. Truth says:

    Caramel Batman:
    If Chiarelli trades anyone other than Nurse he is doing it wrong.

    Assumptions:

    1) Nurse has huge trade value more than anyone but Hall (I might be wrong about this).
    2) Nurse does not have huge actual value (I’m not wrong about this).
    3) Nurse does not have huge potential value (I’m not wrong about this–he’s fine but he’ll never be a star).

    Hall is a star now.Nurse will probably never be a star.Trading Hall is crazy.

    I’d think that if assumption 1 is correct they would have already traded Nurse. Can’t see his value being more than Nuge, Draisaitl, Klefbom, and probably Eberle. Edmonton is certainly not in a vaccum, and practically all NHL teams employ analytics guys. They know his value.

    Nurse is a 21 year old D that should have played an entire season in the AHL. He was crushed according to the corsis in the NHL this year and that seems to have soured his value. If he was in the AHL for the entire season and was a positive possession player opinions would be different. He might even be projected as a second pairing D behind 22 yr old 107 total NHL GP #1 D Oscar Klefbom!

  98. stush18 says:

    semi legendary loner rot:
    holy fuckertoonies, are we calling pittsburgh a model now?

    here’s part 1 of the model.draft a generational c and a franchise c, add a few talented players to play with them, then fill in the rest w mostly nhl players

    part 2 of the model is play justin shlulz as your 7d isntead of your 1d

    I think Pitt model would be run four lines deep.

    But agreed. There are no models people.

    After the stats and everything, it literally always comes down to the team with the most skill, most will, or hottest goaltender, and a lot of luck.

    The only model is Detroit, because they are a model of consistency. Anything else is foolish.

  99. Woodguy says:

    Bank Shot,

    Boston won when they traded Kessel for three picks and ended up with Seguin and Hamilton.

    BOS hit 8 different kinds of luck when those two firsts turned into Seguin and Hamilton.

    Could have easily been Gubranson and Siemens.

    Also was a 2 for 1, not 3 for 1 there is a big difference in quality of pieces.


    Gomez to Montreal for prospects turned out well for Rangers when McDonagh turned out.

    That trade was robbery by Sather just for being able to get rid of Gomez and his huge contract.

    That was also a 3 for 4 deal.


    Philly did well on their Carter and Richards trades.
    Carter for Voracek and the 1st that turned into Couturier

    That was a 3 for 1 (PHI also got CBJ’s 3rd) and was decent. Couturier falling in the draft helped that.

    Richards for Simmonds and Schenn

    That’s a 3 for 2 trade actually. Philly did ok there too.

    So you listed 4 trades and only 1 was a 3 for 1.

    Well done.

  100. AsiaOil says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: RW

    Always liked Smith in NAS – outstanding ES scoring plus solid defense and possession numbers. He’d be a charm on CMD’s wing along with Pou and would free up the kid to work his magic in the offensive zone. Our one dimensional RW (Yak and Ebs) provide little defensive zone support and cheat for their own offense – forces too much defensive responsibility onto CMD. Want better 2 way players on RW this year.

  101. Ryan says:

    semi legendary loner rot:
    holy fuckertoonies, are we calling pittsburgh a model now?

    here’s part 1 of the model.draft a generational c and a franchise c, add a few talented players to play with them, then fill in the rest w mostly nhl players

    part 2 of the model is play justin shlulz as your 7d isntead of your 1d

    Required reading here.

    http://www.pensburgh.com/2016/6/7/11876066/a-look-at-how-the-pens-are-using-kris-letang-to-shield-justin-schultz

  102. Oddspell says:

    Woodguy:
    Bank Shot,

    Boston won when they traded Kessel for three picks and ended up with Seguin and Hamilton.

    BOS hit 8 different kinds of luck when those two firsts turned into Seguin and Hamilton.

    Could have easily been Gubranson and Siemens.

    Also was a 2 for 1, not 3 for 1 there is a big difference in quality of pieces.

    Did that trade not include the 2010 #32 as well? Jared Knight?

  103. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Bank Shot,

    Boston won when they traded Kessel for three picks and ended up with Seguin and Hamilton.

    BOS hit 8 different kinds of luck when those two firsts turned into Seguin and Hamilton.

    Could have easily been Gubranson and Siemens.

    Also was a 2 for 1, not 3 for 1 there is a big difference in quality of pieces.


    Gomez to Montreal for prospects turned out well for Rangers when McDonagh turned out.

    That trade was robbery by Sather just for being able to get rid of Gomez and his huge contract.

    That was also a 3 for 4 deal.


    Philly did well on their Carter and Richards trades.
    Carter for Voracek and the 1st that turned into Couturier

    That was a 3 for 1 (PHI also got CBJ’s 3rd) and was decent.Couturier falling in the draft helped that.

    Richards for Simmonds and Schenn

    That’s a 3 for 2 trade actually.Philly did ok there too.

    So you listed 4 trades and only 1 was a 3 for 1.

    Well done.

    The Kessel trade was a No. 1 and No. 2 round pick in 2010, and a No. 1 in 2011.

  104. stush18 says:

    Woodguy,

    So 3-2 trades or 4-2 trades are fine I guess. Clearly, as you’ve pointed out. Well done

  105. The Trade Guy says:

    Ryan: Required reading here.

    http://www.pensburgh.com/2016/6/7/11876066/a-look-at-how-the-pens-are-using-kris-letang-to-shield-justin-schultz

    Congrats on what will be the highlight of Schultz’s career and probably makes every former Oiler teammate insanely jealous.

    But I agree with something Caramel Obvious said once. Justin Schultz is probably the worst player in the NHL that will get a contract next year.

  106. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: The Kessel trade was a No. 1 and No. 2 round pick in 2010, and a No. 1 in 2011.

    I sit corrected.

  107. Woodguy says:

    stush18:
    Woodguy,

    So 3-2 trades or 4-2 trades are fine I guess. Clearly, as you’ve pointed out. Well done

    Ok, ignore context all together then, fuck it.

    EVERY TRADE IS LIKE EVERY TRADE

  108. stush18 says:

    Woodguy: Ok, ignore context all together then, fuck it.

    EVERY TRADE IS LIKE EVERY TRADE

    Well you ignored the point of his comment, was that blindly stating 3-1 trades are always a loss. All he did was name trades that had worked out. And very recent trades. Pretty good evidence.

    Everyone’s send to think 3-1 for hall is stupid and an automatic loss.

    If we got lindholm, rakell, and a pick for hall, I think that is a win.

    Al

  109. Chachi says:

    Woodguy: Ok, ignore context all together then, fuck it.

    EVERY TRADE IS LIKE EVERY TRADE

    How about this: In a quantity for quality trade it is better to be on the quality side of the ledger.

  110. Ducey says:

    Woodguy: I sit corrected.

    STAND when you are corrected!

    Lazy punks these days.

  111. Richard S.S. says:

    People worry about who’s on what line. Generally in a game it’s first line, next line, next line, next line, next line until the game is over. It’s who’s on next line who is important. Top nine should be basically interchangeable.

    Connor McDavid can play with anyone. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has been 1st-line Centre and done very well. He can play with anyone. Leon Draisaitl has been 1st-line Centre and has done very well. He can play with anyone. Taylor Hall can play with anyone. Jordan Eberle is a right-handed Shooter and can play with anyone. That’s the Oilers’ Top Nine.

    Noticed something missing did we? So did the Oilers. Benoit Pouliot played very well with McDavid, but can he play with anyone in top nine? Patrick Maroon played very well with McDavid, but can he play with anyone in top nine? In shirt stints Zach Kassian has played up but can he play with anyone in top nine?

    You shouldn’t need a fourth line ever again, just 5 or 6 extras that can be substituted freely in the top nine and not be overmatched. Here the Oilers and most teams fail badly. The Oiler have players who can’t skate good enough, don’t know how to defend, don’t pass well enough and barely score. There’s not any need to keep these players. If you can’t trade them, let their contracts expire, and acquire better.

    I’m starting to think playing kids is better than playing people not good enough. The kids will at least try and are still teachable.

  112. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: I sit corrected.

    Quit yer lollygagging!

  113. Water Fire says:

    stush18: I think Pitt model would be run four lines deep.

    But agreed. There are no models people.

    After the stats and everything, it literally always comes down to the team with the most skill, most will, or hottest goaltender, and a lot of luck.

    The only model is Detroit, because they are a model of consistency. Anything else is foolish.

    I agree with this, but it is good to remember Detroit’s run was largely predicated on a core with great longevity from deep in the draft, and being able to exploit untapped markets for players that are well tapped now. The drafting thing has been shown to be myth and luck based as with every team.

    The Wungs are done now and won’t recover soon because they will retire that core instead of cashing them in to regenerate, just like the Canucks who will retire the Sedins and kept the others too long. Bwa ha.

    The only player the Oilers should retire in this epoc is McDavid. The others should go at about 32 when somebody will pay a ransom for their declining years, if the team is to stay competitive. Unless they are ridiculously lucky at the draft.

    One day contract them if they want to retire an Oiler.

  114. Dustylegnd says:

    It is patently obvious the other Team would prefer Hall to any of Hopkins Eberle or Pouliot
    The Oilers are in a position of perennial weakness thus have a very difficult time determining their own trade destiny
    The Other Team will decide who they ASK for in any potential trade
    This does not mean the other Team will get the player they WANT
    Chia is no fool, he understood the dominance of Chara and signed him while Ottawa slept
    Chia knows exactly what he has on this team and will not panic
    The team that gets the best player wins the trade, Chia is keenly aware of this (Sequin trade haunts Chia, the hard lesson has been learned)
    There are few players in this league better than Taylor Hall
    The last 10 cups winners had the following D men on their roster, Letang, Keith, Dowdy, Keith,Dowdy, Chara, Keith, Letang-Gonchar, Lidstrom, Pronger-Niedermayer, Boyle…….. I see a pattern
    30 minute a night D men make everyone around them much much better
    The Oilers don’t have a 25 minute a night D man
    The roster construction is flawed how much longer do we wait?
    What are we afraid of finishing 31st?

  115. kinger_OIL says:

    SugarRay,

    – Ladd is a good call: and a Chia type…If you did trade Hall for equivalent vintage D, and traded Pou (who was already punted by Chia once), Ladd would be good addition.

  116. Generational Poster says:

    Spurgeon, Coyle, 15th for RNH, Nurse, 4th?
    Severson for Yak, 3rd, Musil

    Value close?

    Down with the leftorium!

  117. Truth says:

    The one thing about a Hall trade is that it would have to be huge. So huge that Chiarelli and the opposing GM would probably prefer to be in separate conferences. Recent news about the Av’s “big game hunting.”

    http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-joe-sakic-colorado-avalanche-big-game-hunting/

    First thing that comes to my mind with the Av’s seeking a big trade is that they would probably prefer to send those players where they don’t have to play them more than a few times per year. At the very least they would have to be out of the Central Division. I could see the same happening with Hall. Chiarelli will get roasted in EDM if Hall goes to Anaheim and lights up the Oilers 5 times per season.

  118. kinger_OIL says:

    SumOil,

    Sum says:

    Klefbom-RHD
    Sekera-Fayne
    Davidon-Gryb

    That’s just a lot of hope for being a playoff D, IMO.

    1) Klef is too high, and was good for 30 games last year, and isn’t the #1 LD today on a playoff team. He has the talent to be a #1, but he’s not properly slotted (should be partneredd with strong RD vet on 2nd line

    2) Yes get the best RD we can, untill then, we don’t know

    3) Sekera -yes, and Sek-Fayne works, but below average 2nd pair I’d say

    4) Davidson fine as your #3D, would like more than Gryba as partner

    – So the 1st pairing is a huge question mark
    – The 2nd pairing is average at best
    – The third paring has promise

    – But if we start the season with that, and then get Burns-type pending UFA at trade deadline, then you are humming…

  119. hags9k says:

    Vatanen or similar for #4.
    Demers or similar for money.
    Bring back all the Fs, even Yak.
    Stay healthy.

    I think this is all they need to do.

  120. Bank Shot says:

    You have to think there is a deal to be made with Columbus in a forward or pick for a defenceman swap.

    4th+ for Werenski. Werenski was just destroying the AHL in the playoffs.

    One of the $6 millions for Jones.

    If the Oilers can’t get that top pairing guy, it’d be nice if they could get someone with the potential to turn into one.

  121. Ryan says:

    hags9k:
    Vatanen or similar for #4.
    Demers or similar for money.
    Bring back all the Fs, even Yak.
    Stay healthy.

    I think this is all they need to do.

    Woodblog showed that Vatanen plays 3rd comp. I can’t see how you win a trade of a lottery pick for a 3rd pairing dman.

    No guarantee that we can sign Demers…

    If you do both your moves then your exposing a lot in the expansion draft.

  122. dadoug12 says:

    SumOil:
    I dont see the reason to trade away any of our forwards. Our forward lineup can rival that of the Penguins. McDavid should be an elite forward very soon and Hall can take on the driver of the other line. RNH and Eberle are just one season removed from the incredible run they had withTodd Nelson at the helm.

    A healthy RNH will give us 3 solid lines and a top 9 which will be the envy of the league.
    Hall-Drai-X
    Pouliot-McDavid-X
    X-RNH-Eberle

    Now we only need to get the right players to replace X.
    Depending on the price one of them could be Okposo or Lui Erikson over Stamkos. We have Maroon and someone like Stempniak who LT has mentioned time and again.

    That is a heck of top 9.

    Now we need to dangle Yak, 4th overall and other draft picks and cap space to get one RHD.

    Klefbom-RHD
    Sekera-Fayne
    Davidon-Gryba

    is a very good starting point for the defense. It maynot be a stanley cup defense but it can get you into playoff with that top 9.

    People who point out that Oilers were just a 29th place team are really underestimating the time spent by core players on IR and also time RNH, Eberle and Pouliot played injured

    the oilers are a joke, keeping all these forwards and not trying to improve the defence immensely oiler fans should be embarassed by being the worst team in nhl history the last 10 years and still dont want to make radical changes.

  123. stush18 says:

    Woodguy,

    Agreed Detroit is my favourite team, especially growing up.

    They brought tough hard hitting hockey to the NHL first with Howe, Lindsay, and Abel. Then they started playing puck possession long before anyone else. And they’ve been drafting from the Netherlands forever.

    But their real talent is in developing. Which is easy to do when you are t drafting first overall. But why couldn’t the oilers leave nurse in the minors?

    Why did pitlick never have a chance to get settled into a league? Or lander?

    Detroit is successful because they have been able to let prospects mature

    Edit* meant for water fure

  124. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: I sit corrected.

    Who’s Jultzin’ now, huh?

    😉

  125. spoiler says:

    stush18: They brought tough hard hitting hockey to the NHL first with Howe, Lindsay, and Abel. Then they started playing puck possession long before anyone else

    Eddie Shore and many others–including the 70s Habs and 80s Isles–say “Hi”!

  126. stush18 says:

    spoiler: Eddie Shore and many others–including the 70s Habs and 80s Isles–say “Hi”!

    Howe and Lindsay were before them. Their style was copied.

  127. Water Fire says:

    stush18: Detroit is successful because they have been able to let prospects mature b

    This is the narrative, but Holland has said much of that was that there was no room on the team, and they played the way they did because it’s what they had. He said if they would have got the big Canadian centre everybody looks for it might have been different.

    Their decline has paralleled the retirement of that group of core players and while they have some good youth, I don’t see them contending for a while. IMO it’s why Babcock left, and on a similar note I think why McLellan left such a successful organization as he did. He saw the writing on the wall and likely had a difference of opinion about direction.

  128. spoiler says:

    square_wheels: Unfortunately, our GM doesn’t have a position of strength because the entire league knows his weakness (D).

    ???

    The entire league knows the entire league’s weaknesses.

  129. spoiler says:

    stush18: Howe and Lindsay were before them. Their style was copied.

    Google is your friend. Eddie Shore won his first Stanley Cup in 1929. If anything Howe copied him.

    The two teams I mentioned were in response to the team aspect of your claim that I quoted… that the Wings were the first possession team.

  130. spoiler says:

    So, I’m guessing Ference would have been required to undergo a medical some time in the recent past slash near future? For the purposes of establishing whether or not he can or should be bought out, that is.

  131. stush18 says:

    spoiler: Google is your friend.Eddie Shore won his first Stanley Cup in 1929. If anything Howe copied him.

    My bad I was thinking clarke

  132. stush18 says:

    Water Fire: This is the narrative, but Holland has said much of that was that there was no room on the team, and they played the way they did because it’s what they had. He said if they would have got the big Canadian centre everybody looks for it might have been different.

    Their decline has paralleled the retirement of that group of core players and while they have some good youth, I don’t see them contending for a while. IMO it’s why Babcock left, and on a similar note I think why McLellan left such a successful organization as he did. He saw the writing on the wall and likely had a difference of opinion about direction.

    Oh I completely agree.

    I think holland is downplaying a bit. Mantha looked ready this year, sproul should have been ready for spot duty.

    We won’t ever be Detroit because we can’t fill open spots with UFA’s as easily.

    Mike green filled In on defense for them, blocking sproul. Same with mantha

    If Edmonton could fill up with capable vets, then nurse gets proper development

  133. Truth says:

    hags9k:
    Vatanen or similar for #4.

    With the expansion draft all but a sure thing, your proposal is better written as Vatanen or similar for #4 and Davidson/Nurse (following this season).

    There is still lots to learn about the draft expansion process, but trading a practically guaranteed protected high end player just to add a player who would force an additional player to be exposed at the draft is bad asset management.

    Now, #4 AND Nurse/Davidson for Pietrangelo is palatable.

  134. Truth says:

    spoiler:
    So, I’m guessing Ference would have been required to undergo a medical some time in the recent past slash near future? For the purposes of establishing whether or not he can or should be bought out, that is.

    My $0.02:
    Ference knows that at 100% health he is a healthy scratch. He’ll play ball, the hip will be a bother all season, and he’ll receive his cheques from the insurance company meanwhile staying off the Oilers cap. The Oilers will in turn throw a bunch of money at a save the whales campaign wherein Ference is posterboy. Win/win.

  135. commonfan14 says:

    Going for RHSD in free agency is fine, but I refuse to believe that the only solution to the issues that have been identified with the leftorium D is moving out LHSD for RHSD at all costs.

    We generally mock coaches who can’t adjust their tactics to the players on the roster and end up getting good players shipped out of town because of it.

    A significant problem has been identified with taking LHSD and throwing them on the right side as though they were RHSD. That is where the conversation should start, not where it should end.

    I refuse to believe that there are no ways to address this problem through adjustments in tactics and/or equipment if coaches open their minds up to looking for them.

    Again, great to go shopping for RHSD this summer, but no need to give out bad contracts or make bad deals without getting creative first.

  136. spoiler says:

    Truth: My $0.02:
    Ference knows that at 100% health he is a healthy scratch.He’ll play ball, the hip will be a bother all season, and he’ll receive his cheques from the insurance company meanwhile staying off the Oilers cap. The Oilers will in turn throw a bunch of money at a save the whales campaign wherein Ference is posterboy.Win/win.

    That’s ideal, but I don’t know how practical it is… this scenario requires both a willing doctor, and a insurance company willing to pick up a tab they don’t need to pick up… which in my experience with insurance companies is damn nigh impossible.

  137. Frank the dog says:

    If we had the same team as last year, league average injuries by number and player type, and even handed reffing, I believe we could have at least contended for the playoffs right to the end.

  138. Truth says:

    spoiler,

    I agree regarding insurance. Nightmare. If he was dealing with WCB he’d be out there playing in a full body cast to escape the hell they call rehab.

    I’m just thinking that the same team Dr’. that told Souray he’s well enough to play could tell the league Ference cannot. Ference certainly wouldn’t be the first to ride off into the sunset on LTIR. Who knows how many of those players could actually have returned prior to their contract ending. With it being a hip surgery I believe it would come to pain tolerance.

  139. Caramel Batman says:

    Truth: With the expansion draft all but a sure thing, your proposal is better written as Vatanen or similar for #4 and Davidson/Nurse (following this season).

    There is still lots to learn about the draft expansion process, but trading a practically guaranteed protected high end player just to add a player who would force an additional player to be exposed at the draft is bad asset management.

    Now,#4 AND Nurse/Davidson for Pietrangelo is palatable.

    I don’t have any comment on the specific trade proposal. Indeed, I don’t know what it is.

    However, this is the wrong way to look at it. Acquiring a player that has to be protected for a player that doesn’t have to be protected doesn’t make any real difference. Either way you lose a player. If you happen to lose the player you just traded for it just means you got to keep someone else.

    It only makes a difference if it means you lose a player who is significantly better than the player you otherwise would have lost. I find this is exceedingly unlilkely. The difference between the last guy on your protected list and the guy you lose is going to be small.

  140. Caramel Batman says:

    If Asia Oil is around, check out the latest events in France involving Russian fans. Sadly unsurprising..

    Russia is one of the worst, most corrupt, countries on earth. It has invaded Ukraine with impunity, and it isn’t just the fault of its dictator. The culture is broken, Russians themselves are broken.

    That the country is allowed to participate in the international community is a disgrace.

  141. Oilspill says:

    rickithebear:
    Speaking of Defending: Since 12-13 lockout. 210 Dmen
    your primary job is keep the shots in the area 85% of goals come from as low as possible.
    Defend the net bitches!
    1. A. Greene 294gm 8.05 HSCA/60
    2. Vlasic SJS 306gm 8.51
    3. Bortuzzo 173gm 8.62
    4. Ekholm 245gm 8.63
    4. Stoner 261gm 8.63
    6. Ellis 269gm 8.64
    7. Manson 100gm 8.75
    8. Larsson 209gm 8.77
    9. Weber 299gm 8.80
    10. Josi 302gm 8.83
    11. Ekblad 165gm 8.86
    11. Spurgeon 283gm 8.86
    *13. Brodin 297gm 8.96
    14. M. Greene 157gm 8.96
    15. Muzzin 327gm 9.04
    *16. K. Miller 170gm 9.05
    17. Zidlicky 277gm 9.06
    18. Jackman 310gm 9.09
    19. TVR 111gm 9.21
    20. B. Smith 271gm 9.23
    21. Gelinas 162gm 9.24
    *23. Lindholm 270gm 9.35
    *24. Prout 207gm 9.37
    24. Suter 323gm 9.37
    *26. Vatanen 222gm 9.38
    27. Hjarlmasson 362gm 9.40
    28. braun SJS 315gm 9.41
    *30. Tyutin248gm 9.46
    ——————————————-Top 30 #1 HSCA D
    *31. Shattenkirk 295gm 9.53
    36. I. Cole PIT 234gm 9.58
    37. Fayne 246gm 9.59
    *37. Lovejoy PIT UFA 288gm 9.59
    42. Campbell UFA 300gm 9.72
    *42. Severson 123gm 9.72
    44. Doughty 339gm 9.79
    46. Tanev 247gm 9.82
    52. Gudbranson 243gm 10.02
    54. Goloubef 95gm 10.06
    59. Savard 227gm 10.17
    60. Dumoulin 122gm10.19
    ———————————————-Top 60 #2 HSCA D
    64. Polak UFA 291gm 10.22
    66. Dumba 168gm 10.28
    *71. Demers UFA 261gm 10.36
    76. Boychuk 313gm 10.44
    76. Murray 164gm 10.44
    79. Pietrangelo 320gm 10.50
    82. Matta 196gm 10.53
    83. De Haan 204gm 10.55
    86. Beauliea 163gm 10.58
    86. Hedman 303gm 10.58
    —————————————- Top 90 #3 HSCA D
    91. Subban 308gm 10.61
    97. Schenn UFA 268gm 10.69
    104. Mcdonagh 327gm 10.74
    105. Letang PIT 263gm 10.76
    108. Fowler 299gm 10.77
    109. Schlemko UFA 200gm 10.79
    112. Brodie 290gm 10.15
    118. Hamhuis UFA 253gm 10.94
    ——————————————— Top 120 #4 HSCA D
    121. Martin SJS 282gm 10.97
    127. Seabrook 361gm 10.99
    129. Giordano 254gm 11.03
    135. Karlsson 279gm 11.11
    139. D. Hamilton 279gm 11.16
    141. Burns SJS 305gm 11.28
    *142. Trouba 215gm 11.29
    143. OEL 285gm 11.31
    149. Byfuglien 275gm 11.43
    ———————————————– Top 150 #5 HSCA D
    151. Bogosian 214gm 11.45
    164. Petry 269gm 11.85
    166. Goligoski 310gm 11.86
    *166. Hamonic 277gm 11.86
    174. Myers 249gm 11.99
    —————————————— top 180 #6 HSCA D
    186. Smid 174gm 12.34
    187. Ference 209gm 12.35
    *189. Faulk 260gm 12.47
    190. Ristolainen 194gm 12.43
    191. Sekera 265gm 12.47
    *194. Yandle 320gm 12.54
    *196. Barrie 257gm 12.71
    204. Phanuef 276gm 13.26
    205. Reilly 236gm 13.35
    206. Schultz 281gm 13.37
    210. Nurse 71gm 14.06
    ————————————— #7 HSCA D

    You can look all these stats and say that player was playing with good or bad players or good or bad competition. So little equates to INDIVIDUAL play which they suggest as is.

  142. stevezie says:

    Caramel Batman: If you happen to lose the player you just traded for it just means you got to keep someone else

    Bingo.

    It makes sense to consider the expansion draft, but the attitude in some corners seems to be “we should only have as many good players as we can protect.”

    I think we’re going to lose a good player no matter what. So let’s get as many as possible.

  143. AsiaOil says:

    Caramel Batman,

    Russian has soccer hooligans. Britain has soccer hooligans. Your mindless hate and generalizations of an entire country are boring and speak to a limited intellect and narrowness of perspective

  144. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Arthur Staple ✔ @StapeNewsday
    Eberle’s been on the block for a while, which tells me either EDM isn’t getting what they want or there’s little interest.

  145. stevezie says:

    In Re: Ference on ltir

    Robidais played the whole pre -season, was awful and was never heard from again. If the player goes along with it there appears to be no challenge to making old people disappear.

  146. Truth says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday
    Eberle’s been on the block for a while, which tells me either EDM isn’t getting what they want or there’s little interest.

    Or it’s been beyond the trade deadline and teams are waiting for the Playoffs to be over or for the draft.

  147. Jon K says:

    Caramel Batman:
    If Asia Oil is around, check out the latest events in France involving Russian fans.Sadly unsurprising..

    Russia is one of the worst, most corrupt, countries on earth.It has invaded Ukraine with impunity, and it isn’t just the fault of its dictator.The culture is broken, Russians themselves are broken.

    That the country is allowed to participate in the international community is a disgrace.

    Congratulations on saying one of the most ridiculous things to ever grace LT’s blog. Which, with all respect to LT and others here, is saying a lot.

    Let’s blame an entire nation for the actions of a relatively small group of football hooligans? Ok.

    And by the way, yes, their dictator is the problem.

  148. Truth says:

    Caramel Batman,

    My understanding is players with 2 years or less of pro experience are exempt from the draft. Therefore they are not included in the amount of players teams have to protect, and they are not eligible to be drafted.

    So if you trade one of these exempt players for a player you have to protect you might as consider your amount of “keepers” one less than prior to the trade.

    Everyone from 2015 draft and 2016 draft will not count towards keepers and cannot be drafted by the expansion team. Everyone from previous drafts that stayed in Junior and did not play 3 or more years of pro after next season are also exempt from counting towards keepers and cannot be drafted by an expansion team.

    So trading #4 for an equal asset that has to be included either on your list of keepers or made available for drafting by the expansion team seems rather pointless. If including the pick in a player for player trade boosts the value to go from a #2/3 D to a #1 it would be worth it because you replace your keeper list player you trade out with a better player.

    I could be wrong on that, however?

  149. Магия 10 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday
    Eberle’s been on the block for a while, which tells me either EDM isn’t getting what they want or there’s little interest.

    Ok. Now you know they are very interested in Ebs.

  150. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Магия 10: Ok. Now you know they are very interested in Ebs.

    Yeah. Using the mouthpiece trying to bring down the value.

  151. Fog of Warts says:

    Here’s one of the more troubled paragraphs I’ve read in a long time from a major news outlet.

    Their play at even strength this series was the difference: even as their legs were worn down after four rounds of post-season hockey, the Sharks were unable to keep up; their impressive display of quick puck movement meant the Sharks once impenetrable fore check was not to take hold either.

    How about:

    the Sharks’ once-impenetrable forecheck was not to take hold, either.

    I didn’t know a red pencil could move that fast. Back in the era of subtractive marking, author would be down already to 6/10 (perhaps 6.5/10 if plushy Mrs Busby shows her soft side on pre-adverbial commas).

    Problem. The quick red pencil helps not at all.

    #1) “Their play”

    Does this mean strong play from the Penguins, weak play from the Sharks, some combination of both? In context—after careful study—the main sentiment appears to be fin rot.

    #2) “even as their legs were worn down … they were unable to keep up”

    Actually, this one makes complete sense.

    At a certain age, baby birds get pushed out of the nest.

    At a certain age, baby sharks must slam themselves into coral reefs, until they molt their baby shark legs—only then can they swim like feared predators.

    Baby shark legs look like crab legs, but they function more like frog legs. Before they can swim at high enough speed, they crouch behind rocks, and leap out to catch prey. As the shark matures, these legs—which grow much slower than the rest of the shark—soon become mostly a burden.

    This explains two things: first, why so many small marine animals found at coral reefs are living inside borrowed legs; and second, how coral reef is much less fragile than climate scientists presently believe.

    #3) “once-impenetrable forecheck”

    Is that how it works in British fùtbol? In hockey, somehow I don’t think that outbound penetration is top of mind when you’re facing the boards with the puck on your backhand counting your teeth.

    Imagine you’re watching a B-movie and the villain snarls “send out the impenetrables!” while point to a kennel in back.

    What do you expect? A dozen badly underfed German Shepherds? Or six concussed Samoyeds?

    ———

    “Send out the impenetrables!”

    “Send out the impenetrables!?

    Are you nuts?

    Send out our brain-damaged rescue sled dogs, the ones raised from pups by some demented soul to butt heads for a sicko dog-fighting ring?”

    “Well, you never know—we could get lucky. They might all go the same direction, hem in the fugitive, and not all start digging up random acorns before we get there with guns.”

    “Tell me again why we have these animals?”

    “Their fur makes a lovely angora sweater.”

    “Wouldn’t it be simpler just to have goats?”

    “Mohair.”

    “Gesundheit.”

    “No, stupid—you get a mohair sweater from an angora goat. Real angora wool comes from angora rabbits.”

    “Even better. We could have rabbits.”

    “Oh, no. That wouldn’t work. Rabbits are not impenetrable.”

    ———

    Rabbit-proof fence

    Rabbits were first introduced to Australia by the First Fleet in 1788 and they become a problem when Thomas Austin released 24 wild rabbits for hunting purposes in October 1859, saying that “the introduction of a few rabbits could do little harm and might provide a touch of home, in addition to a spot of hunting.”

    The rabbits were extremely prolific creatures and spread rapidly across the southern parts of the country. Australia had ideal conditions for a rabbit population explosion.

    When it was completed in 1907, the 1,139-mile No. 1 Fence was the longest unbroken fence in the world; it is visible from space.

    The fence was maintained at first by boundary riders riding bicycles and later by riders astride camels. However, fence inspection was difficult from atop the tall animal.

    Moltable baby shark legs.

    Australian camel-riding space-visible rabbit-proof-fence inspectors.

    Your call.

    ———

    luctari “to struggle”
    eluctari “to struggle out of”
    eluctabilis “that which may be escaped from”
    ineluctabilis “unavoidable, inevitable”

    This explains the long-standing flammable/inflammable debate in xenobiology.

    Some people think Xeno-species Alienus eluctari should have been named Alienus ineluctari, forgetting the birth scene.

    Some Chestbursters have been seen to possess arms, but this is not always the case, with others merely having small stubs where presumably the arms will eventually develop.

    So, they’re basically just baby sharks in reverse.

    no belly button
    also no belly button

    Ye old MPAA rating system is a mighty strange duck.

  152. jm363561 says:

    AsiaOil,

    AsiaOil:
    Caramel Batman,

    Russian has soccer hooligans. Britain has soccer hooligans. Your mindless hate and generalizations of an entire country are boring and speak to a limited intellect and narrowness of perspective

    Okay, count me in on the boring crew with limited intellect and narrow perspective. I am British, have lived in Edmonton, Moscow (and now the Philippines). IMHO Russia is the biggest threat to global stability with its state sponsored drug use by athletes and hooliganism, interference in other countries affairs, shooting down of civilian aircraft, systemically lying through their teeth, etc etc. Love Yak though.

    More importantly, based on Ricki’s stats, Mark Fayne is the no. 37 defender in the league, and we placed him on waivers. Our D corps must be a whole lot better than we realised!

  153. spoiler says:

    jm363561,

    The US has been interfering in the affairs of other countries for decades… as have much of the Western World… why is it okay for us to do it?

    The US, in fact was interfering in the Ukraine, a country that borders Russia… how would the US feel if the Russkies were interfering in Mexican or Canadian politics… they would lose their shit.

    The Ukraine itself is also a bastion of corruption.

    We do not live in the simplistic white hat/black hat world that baby sharks and Sugar-coated Baitmans make it out to be.

  154. AsiaOil says:

    This is a hockey blog if you haven’t noticed. Take the rabid neo-con generalizations elsewhere.

    jm363561:
    AsiaOil,

    Okay, count me in on the boring crew with limited intellect and narrow perspective. I am British, have lived in Edmonton, Moscow (and now the Philippines). IMHO Russia is the biggest threat to global stability with its state sponsored drug use by athletes and hooliganism, interference in other countries affairs, shooting down of civilian aircraft, systemically lying through their teeth, etc etc. Love Yak though.

    More importantly, based on Ricki’s stats, Mark Fayne is the no. 37 defender in the league, and we placed him on waivers. Our D corps must be a whole lot better than we realised!

  155. Cameron says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Are there any Oil fans who still see Nurse as a potentially dominant #1, or did one shaky rookie season (one where he was poorly sheltered) sour that projection?

    For me, Nurse is a wild horse, but that comes with his thoroughbred pedigree.

    I’m still holding out hope that as the much needed anticipation and positioning comes via more at bats, so too will the dominance for Darnell.

    The problem is that the only vet calming influence on the D core that can actually play is Sekera. Plug in a couple stalwart vets to calm the likes of Nurse, Reinhart and Oesterle and now you can spot those youngsters ala Schultz with the Pens.

    A poll was mentioned yesterday, how about: which of the following players do you think has the best chance of becoming a legit 1D?

    Oscar Klefbom
    Darnell Nurse
    Griffin Reinhart
    Jordan Oesterle
    Brandon Davidson
    None of the above

    SexBomb is the most serious candidate, but in truth, I think the odds are still low he has the offense to post #1 Dman numbers.

  156. Woodguy says:

    stush18: Well you ignored the point of his comment, was that blindly stating 3-1 trades are always a loss. All he did was name trades that had worked out. And very recent trades. Pretty good evidence.

    Everyone’s send to think 3-1 for hall is stupid and an automatic loss.

    If we got lindholm, rakell, and a pick for hall, I think that is a win.

    Al

    If I shit gold that would be a win too.

    I would expect to get Lindholm, Rackell and a pick back for Hall as often as I had the Au deuce.

  157. Jaxon says:

    Cameron,

    Oscar Klefbom and Ziyat Paigin.

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