DRAFT POST NO. 4: OUT OF MY BRAIN ON THE 5:15

What is the wildest trade you can think of? Most years, June for Oilers fans is all hat and no cattle. An example? 2013.

  • June 29, 2013: This morning, you can make a strong case for the Edmonton Oilers acquiring three players for 2013-14: Braydon Coburn, Cal Clutterbuck and Valeri Nichushkin. It appears all three men are within the grasp of the Oilers this morning. This article has the Oilers dealing for Coburn, with the pricetag being #37 overall and a prospect like Martin Gernat or Joey Laleggia. That’s certainly a fair price for a defender who could reasonably be slotted into the Oilers top 4D. The Clutterbuck deal (for Tyler Pitlick plus) has been out there for some time. It makes sense in that the Oilers wanted to add some toughness to the 3line and certainly Clutterbuck can do that (along with chipping in a few goals and playing the disturber role). Source
  • June 30, 2013: Cory Schneider will come at a dear price today, and he’s two years from unrestricted free agency. That means Craig MacTavish must be putting exceptional value on these next two years, and that  of course means Coburn and Clutterbuck (should they become Oilers) will no doubt be joined by centermen and wingmen and possibly defensemen. I think we can assume Devan Dubnyk will be in the out basket in due course and maybe that happens today. Other names who could be with other teams today are Shawn Horcoff, Ales Hemsky, Nick Schultz and Magnus Paajarvi. I don’t believe Sam Gagner is going to be dealt based on all we’ve heard, but I’ll include him here just in case. Source

None of that happened on draft weekend in 2013 of course. Edmonton drafted Darnell Nurse, made a bunch of draft pick trades and ended up with Marco Roy, two Russians, and laid the groundwork for some trades and six free-agent signings (Andrew Ference, Boyd Gordon, Jason LaBarbera, Jesse Joensuu, Will Acton, Ryan Hamilton).

This is the typical experience for the Oiler fan leading up to and during the draft. Big names, real solutions to problems being discussed as options, and by 2am you are smoking the drapes, trying to find your wallet and making up a story your wife might believe when you get back to the hotel.

Years ago, we were going to get Joni Pitkanen for (I think) Mike Grier and a pick, and we have been one pick away from 900 Hall of Famers since 1990. The Oilers have followed up an irrational pick with ‘we heard New Jersey was going to take him’ while never giving the listener any reason to believe it had occurred to them that the Devils might just be sending out crap  as a misdirection.

I know this hockey business must be a tough job, because even the good managers get schooled, lose a lot, miss the playoffs, fire their coach and take Thomas Hickey No. 4 overall.

I get it.

That said, I dream of the day the Edmonton Oilers:

  • Make a trade that addresses need so well the ‘need’ drops dead immediately because the solution is so good.
  • Make a trade where the best player is coming our way.
  • Make a trade where we can all agree a major need was addressed without also making the team extremely weak in another area.

Peter Chiarelli is a veteran general manager who has been assigned the task of turning this crazy bird around. This is the time that NHL teams do business. The need is great, the assets known. Let’s roll.

CHIARELLI’S NEEDS LIST

  1. Top-pairing D to partner with Klefbom
  2. Second-pairing RHD to partner with Sekera
  3. Acquire RHC with some skill
  4. Backup goalie

CHIARELLI TRADE LIST

List is based on most likely to least likely to be traded:

  1. Nail Yakupov
  2. Taylor Hall
  3. Jordan Eberle
  4. Benoit Pouliot
  5. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  6. Cap space
  7. No. 4 overall selection
  8. Mark Fayne
  9. Griffin Reinhart
  10. 2017 1st round selection

I would make this trade. Would you? I do not have Leon Draisaitl or Oscar Klefbom on the trade list, but would make that trade. You would need to add some value deals on RHD and a RW like Lee Stempniak or P.A. Parenteau. Thoughts?

 

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84 Responses to "DRAFT POST NO. 4: OUT OF MY BRAIN ON THE 5:15"

  1. Rondo says:

    I’m guessing Oilers are drafting Sergachev in the first round.

    Interesting top 30

    http://www.draftbuzzhockey.com/#!2016-final/crq0

  2. Seismic Source says:

    I’d even swap 1sts and upgrade on Eller.

  3. Lowetide says:

    I have Sergachev as top D on board, but honestly the top three appear to be fairly equal. I like Sergachev because skill, wheels and he is a bigger man.

  4. leadfarmer says:

    Why Eller? Could you imagine going to your boss saying you are trading for a 25 point forward. He comes back saying how much am I paying him. Oh only 9 million over the next two years. I know most owners are rich but a lot of them are pretty cheap. That price is not a drop in the bucket. And if it doesn’t work out most teams with cap space will not want him. I know that there’s bunch of other pieces but people bring it up weekly.

  5. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer:
    Why Eller?Could you imagine going to your boss saying you are trading for a 25 point forward.He comes back saying how much am I paying him.Oh only 9 million over the next two years. I know most owners are rich but a lot of them are pretty cheap.That price is not a drop in the bucket.And if it doesn’t work out most teams with cap space will not want him.I know that there’s bunch of other pieces but people bring it up weekly.

    I can’t answer for WG, but probably to make the money work.

  6. Katz the Elder says:

    2. Hall (e5)

    Oddly enough Hall isn’t even on Eklund’s rumor chart. Is that an up arrow or a down arrow? 😉

    Ceterum autem censeo @hallsyIV non vende

  7. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide,

    It’s not just the trade proposal there’s been plenty of people here in the last few months that want to trade for him and actually give valuable things back. It’s crazy.

  8. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer:
    Lowetide,

    It’s not just the trade proposal there’s been plenty of people here in the last few months that want to trade for him and actually give valuable things back.It’s crazy.

    I have looked at the Habs and usually use Eller as a cap weight in deals. Cannot speak for others.

  9. Wolfie says:

    That’s too much. Klefbom and Yak plus maybe a 1st rounder next year. You can’t trade 3 potential impact players for one. I know everyone is down on Yak and that’s fine. But Klefbom is solid and Draisaitl just had an enormous year.

    Draisaitl is a bonafide top 6 and he’s looking like a German Kopitar.

    Honestly if that was the offer for Subban the Habs should jump at it.

  10. Seismic Source says:

    I’m actually curious how you have Hall at 2. Is this recent? Is this your way of coming to terms with it early so if it does happen it stings less? How worried are you of the 3 for 1 on a scale of 1-10?, 10 being worst.

    I just can’t believe he’s available for anything less than an amazing Dman. I can’t.

  11. Snowman says:

    I think if you swap nurse for klefbom I do that deal. Klefbom is too cheap and too good to move out. Imagine klef-subban top pairing… yes please.

    Also can someone explain the Eklund rumors number rating system. Is e5 likely or not likely. They always seem insane so it’s hard to figure out.

    I have resigned myself to the fact nothing major is going to happen. It’s sad but not that stressful. All hat no cattle. That’s my guess. Too much future traded away for the now will be the justification for the nothing that is about to happen. Instead of giddy up it’ll be more like “$0.25 for a horsie ride on the merry go round”.

  12. Todd Macallan says:

    According to hockeyfeed.com, via “Habs insider” Marco Normandin (credibility unknown), Chia has rejected 7 + 20 from the Coyotes for #4.

    Personally this would be a tempting offer. Is Dubois/Tkachuk > Sergachev + Fabbro/Debrincat/Howden/McAvoy/Kunin etc. ? I don’t know, but it’s certainly something to consider.

  13. fifthcartel says:

    The closer the draft gets the more nervous I get that we see another Griffin Reinhart type trade. And then more Gryba/Letestu signings.

  14. JDï™ says:

    fifthcartel,

    Hmmmm – Cowen and Umburger?

  15. Seismic Source says:

    Todd Macallan,

    Nobody says no to that. Can’t be credible.

  16. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Todd Macallan:
    According to hockeyfeed.com, via “Habs insider” Marco Normandin (credibility unknown), Chia has rejected7 + 20 from the Coyotes for #4.

    Personally this would be a tempting offer. Is Dubois/Tkachuk > Sergachev + Fabbro/Debrincat/Howden/McAvoy/Kunin etc. ? I don’t know, but it’s certainly something to consider.

    Wow. I would take that offer.

    2 conclusions:
    1) Chia thinks he can do better.
    2) They are set on drafting Tkachuk because they are moving out a LW.

  17. Todd Macallan says:

    Seismic Source,

    Agreed. My hope is that on the faint chance the story is credible, Chia’s reasoning is waiting until draft day, holding out hope that Pulju is somehow still on the board at 4. When CLB takes him at 3, Chia then pulls the trigger with the Coyotes.

  18. Lowetide says:

    Todd Macallan:
    According to hockeyfeed.com, via “Habs insider” Marco Normandin (credibility unknown), Chia has rejected7 + 20 from the Coyotes for #4.

    Personally this would be a tempting offer. Is Dubois/Tkachuk > Sergachev + Fabbro/Debrincat/Howden/McAvoy/Kunin etc. ? I don’t know, but it’s certainly something to consider.

    That offer will be there on the draft floor. He may have other plans for No. 4

  19. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Lowetide: That offer will be there on the draft floor. He may have other plans for No. 4

    Yep. Scenario 1. No need to trade it now.

  20. Seismic Source says:

    Todd Macallan,

    Your right. Who CBJ pick would change everything. That’s just too much value to move 3 spots IMO

  21. Seismic Source says:

    Back to Subban. Is it crazy Id rather have Lindholm? How much cheaper would he be?

  22. Lowetide says:

    Seismic Source:
    Back to Subban. Is it crazy Id rather have Lindholm? How much cheaper would he be?

    Lindholm would be preferable because he is younger and less expensive. Doubt he is in play.

  23. Thor762 says:

    Would Lindholm not be a perfect target for an offer sheet?

  24. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide: That offer will be there on the draft floor. He may have other plans for No. 4

    Agreed, but which #4?

  25. Jethro Tull says:

    The difference between MacT and Chia:

    Chia be all like,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXWIjYlDL78

  26. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    Would they match the offer sheet or would it create the chaotic moment required to force them to make a poor decision ? Forcing them to Carlyle the euro defender for a good ol’Canadian boy may be Chia’s coup de grace ?

  27. Greenberg says:

    For SNOWMAN, the Eklund systems is:

    * E1: his mother suggested it;
    * E2: the taxi driver heard about it and shared;

    * E3: he made it up to stir the pot on a particular player;

    * E4: someone from the team or media is using him to get the idea out but sometimes at this level, where’s there’s smoke, there’s someone playing with fire;

    * E5: As close as you get to the real thing; straight from the GM except you can’t use his name, or some actual contact with the team confirming.

    In fairness, E1 is not something to be concerned about, E5 is. Yes, he has been wrong lots, but then, these are rumors. Nothing more.

    Look at all the rumours you have heard on this blog in the past two months. Is there an E5 among them?

    Credit LT with keeping your interest up so much since the season ended. Most of the Oiler trades suggested by his bloggers are pie in the sky. About a month ago I checked out a Leafs blog and hell, they were talking about the same available players as us. (The interesting thing was I did the same with a Flames blog and they were talking about only draft choices, no trades.)

    Personally, based on the past, in my opinion, not much is going to happen. We get Tkachuk. Maybe we trade Yak. And at the end of it all we will be disappointed. I hope I am wrong. But I don’t think most bloggers grasp how terrible this team is. Too many say we are just two players away. Try five.

    Your leader is an optimist. A wonderful person, a sparkling radio personality on a station of pablum. His ability to get you excited when times are tough is spectacular. Probably the Oilers’ greatest asset of the non-paid variety. I suspect (and hope) he will be leading prayers in the next week for the wisdom of Chia.

  28. jake70 says:

    The team needs to make hay before Vegas gets established as an organization, 50 more contracts available for players and all I have heard this week about Vegas is ….a destination spot for players…..taxes, climate, location, anonymity for players.

  29. Mr DeBakey says:

    Top-pairing D to partner with Klefbom
    Second-pairing RHD to partner with Sekera

    Despite the braying of the masses [drop the m if required], Fayne can play with Sekera

    And a good 3rd Pairing RHD could be added – Is Redmond the name I’ve seen a few times?

  30. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Let me start my crazy trade by saying this. Any deal we make we must look at it from the other organizations point of view. Let’s use Columbus as an example.

    What they need
    – #1 centre (badly),
    – cap room (just as badly)
    – and as a bonus would be nice to find someone who speaks Finnish to mentor Puljujarvi who barely speaks English (no Finnish player on team other than backup goalie)

    What they have excess of or who’s available:
    – pretty much everyone
    – guys with high salary in particular
    – deep farm system
    – Kerby Rychel who has fell out of favor a long time ago
    – potentially David Savard. With Johnson likely being forced to be protected from Expansion draft and Seth Jones and Ryan Murray likely also being kept, Savard could be odd man. Not to mention a few highly talented Dmen in the system like Zack Werenski Columbus could trade him and not blink.

    Nugent-Hopkins would be exactly the kind of player they could use and the OIlers have 3 top centres. GM Jarmo is part of the Finnish management that picked Korpikoski early to the World Cup team so clearly he likes him at least a bit. If you could get him along with Nuge with more salary going out then in he addresses all 3 needs in one fell swoop. Probably have to eat half of his salary but that’s fine he’s gone. To make Columbus franchise dman happy we would also include his brother Caleb Jones.

    In return, the Oilers acquire a much needed RHD in David Savard and immediately pair him with Sekera. Great shot, good first pass can play on PP. Big guy solid defensively too. Also included would be LW/C Boone Jenner. A versatile buzzsaw coming off 30 goal season he could play LW on top line or 3rd line centre. LW Kerby Rychel also included in the deal. Exchange draft picks to even it out (maybe even Fayne and Atkinson potentially).

    So to recap:

    Edm trades – Nuge, Korpikoski and Caleb Jones (all 3 make sense for Columbus)
    Clb trades – Jenner, Rychel and Savard (makes sense for us although draft picks involved too) 2nd Rd pick?

    Salaries pretty much even in and out with us eating half of Korpse’s salary (Cbus saves a bit).

    Oilers lose Nuge (LT goes missing) but gains valuable depth up front and gets a solid RHD with a variety of skills and also saves a buyout on a guy that want to get rid of.

    Oilers run McD-Drai-Jenner at Centre and get one of the two RHD desperately needed. One trade or FA away from solid defense (Demers?)

    Columbus runs top line of Foligno-Nuge-Puljujarvi, Saad-Dubinsky-Atkinson (or Bjorkstand)

    On paper this appears to check all the boxes. So how crazy is it?

  31. anonymous says:

    I think you’d regret that trade. Better off splitting it up and making two separate trades.

  32. Lowetide says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Top-pairing D to partner with Klefbom
    Second-pairing RHD to partner with Sekera

    Despite the braying of the masses [drop the m if required], Fayne can play with Sekera

    And a good 3rd Pairing RHD could be added – Is Redmond the name I’ve seen a few times?

    Yes. Agreed on Fayne. I also think he could be a fine third pairing option who could step up as required.

  33. John Chambers says:

    fifthcartel:
    The closer the draft gets the more nervous I get that we see another Griffin Reinhart type trade. And then more Gryba/Letestu signings.

    If it’s followed up by a trade similar to the acquisition of Talbot and a signing like Sekara, I’d call it a productive offseason.

  34. who says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes:
    Let me start my crazy trade by saying this. Any deal we make we must look at it from the other organizations point of view. Let’s use Columbus as an example.

    What they need
    – #1 centre (badly),
    – cap room (just as badly)
    – and as a bonus would be nice to find someone who speaks Finnish to mentor Puljujarvi who barely speaks English (no Finnish player on team other than backup goalie)

    What they have excess of or who’s available:
    – pretty much everyone
    – guys with high salary in particular
    – deep farm system
    – Kerby Rychel who has fell out of favor a long time ago
    – potentially David Savard. With Johnson likely being forced to be protected from Expansion draft and Seth Jones and Ryan Murray likely also being kept, Savard could be odd man. Not to mention a few highly talented Dmen in the system like Zack Werenski Columbus could trade him and not blink.

    Nugent-Hopkins would be exactly the kind of player they could use and the OIlers have 3 top centres. GM Jarmo is part of the Finnish management that picked Korpikoski early to the World Cup team so clearly he likes him at least a bit. If you could get him along with Nuge with more salary going out then in he addresses all 3 needs in one fell swoop. Probably have to eat half of his salary but that’s fine he’s gone. To make Columbus franchise dman happy we would also include his brother Caleb Jones.

    In return, the Oilers acquire a much needed RHD in David Savard and immediately pair him with Sekera. Great shot, good first pass can play on PP. Big guy solid defensively too. Also included would be LW/C Boone Jenner. A versatile buzzsaw coming off 30 goal season he could play LW on top line or 3rd line centre. LW Kerby Rychel also included in the deal. Exchange draft picks to even it out (maybe even Fayne and Atkinson potentially).

    So to recap:

    Edm trades – Nuge, Korpikoski and Caleb Jones (all 3 make sense for Columbus)
    Clb trades – Jenner, Rychel and Savard (makes sense for us although draft picks involved too)

    Salaries pretty much even in and out with us eating half of Korpse’s salary (Cbus saves a bit).

    Oilers lose Nuge (LT goes missing) but gains valuable depth up front and gets a solid RHD with a variety of skills and also saves a buyout on a guy that want to get rid of.

    Oilers run McD-Drai-Jenner at Centre and get one of the two RHD desperately needed. One trade away from solid defense (Demers?)

    Columbus runs top line of Foligno-Nuge-Puljujarvi, Saad-Dubinsky-Atkinson (or Bjorkstand)

    On paper this appears to check all the boxes. So how crazy is it?

    What would you propose if we just got Savard. Or is a center the only trade piece that interests Columbus

  35. Dr. Taboggan says:

    What about an offer sheet on Seth Jones? Have not really looked at his numbers but CLB is in serious serious cap trouble. . . or at least the threat of a an offer sheet to pry away Savard.

  36. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    who: What would you propose if we just got Savard. Or is a center the only trade piece that interests Columbus

    For reasons above – Caleb Jones, Korpikoski at half salary and 4th Rd pick? If we can get Savard we should at least try and get Rychel too. Columbus would want to save at least a couple Million I would think if possible.

  37. JimmyV1965 says:

    Lowetide:
    I have Sergachev as top D on board, but honestly the top three appear to be fairly equal. I like Sergachev because skill, wheels and he is a bigger man.

    I also think we underestimate the huge transition from Russia to North America. To do what he did so shortly after arriving is amazing in my books.

  38. who says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: For reasons above – Caleb Jones, Korpikoski at half salary and 4th Rd pick? If we can get Savard we should at least get Rychel too. Columbus would want to save at least a couple Million I would think if possible.

    I like that trade a lot better, even if it doesn’t include Rychel. I think someone like Savard may be the best we are going to do for a righty dman and if we can get him without giving up a significant asset and get someone to take half of Korps salary in the process, GREAT.
    These are maybe the types of trades the Oilers should be looking at rather than dreaming of a proven top pairing righty.

  39. Gret99zky says:

    I expect Chia will rely more on the fresh paint fumes of the new barn to opiate the masses rather than any spectacular trades he will make prior, during or following the 2016 NHL draft.

    His focus will not be winning while McDavid is on his ELC. It will be creating room for the big raise when it ends.

  40. sliderule says:

    JimmyV1965: I also think we underestimate the huge transition from Russia to North America.To do what he did so shortly after arriving is amazing in my books.

    Kind of like Yak.😂😂

  41. stush18 says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes:
    Let me start my crazy trade by saying this. Any deal we make we must look at it from the other organizations point of view. Let’s use Columbus as an example.

    What they need
    – #1 centre (badly),
    – cap room (just as badly)
    – and as a bonus would be nice to find someone who speaks Finnish to mentor Puljujarvi who barely speaks English (no Finnish player on team other than backup goalie)

    What they have excess of or who’s available:
    – pretty much everyone
    – guys with high salary in particular
    – deep farm system
    – Kerby Rychel who has fell out of favor a long time ago
    – potentially David Savard. With Johnson likely being forced to be protected from Expansion draft and Seth Jones and Ryan Murray likely also being kept, Savard could be odd man. Not to mention a few highly talented Dmen in the system like Zack Werenski Columbus could trade him and not blink.

    Nugent-Hopkins would be exactly the kind of player they could use and the OIlers have 3 top centres. GM Jarmo is part of the Finnish management that picked Korpikoski early to the World Cup team so clearly he likes him at least a bit. If you could get him along with Nuge with more salary going out then in he addresses all 3 needs in one fell swoop. Probably have to eat half of his salary but that’s fine he’s gone. To make Columbus franchise dman happy we would also include his brother Caleb Jones.

    In return, the Oilers acquire a much needed RHD in David Savard and immediately pair him with Sekera. Great shot, good first pass can play on PP. Big guy solid defensively too. Also included would be LW/C Boone Jenner. A versatile buzzsaw coming off 30 goal season he could play LW on top line or 3rd line centre. LW Kerby Rychel also included in the deal. Exchange draft picks to even it out (maybe even Fayne and Atkinson potentially).

    So to recap:

    Edm trades – Nuge, Korpikoski and Caleb Jones (all 3 make sense for Columbus)
    Clb trades – Jenner, Rychel and Savard (makes sense for us although draft picks involved too) 2nd Rd pick?

    Salaries pretty much even in and out with us eating half of Korpse’s salary (Cbus saves a bit).

    Oilers lose Nuge (LT goes missing) but gains valuable depth up front and gets a solid RHD with a variety of skills and also saves a buyout on a guy that want to get rid of.

    Oilers run McD-Drai-Jenner at Centre and get one of the two RHD desperately needed. One trade or FA away from solid defense (Demers?)

    Columbus runs top line of Foligno-Nuge-Puljujarvi, Saad-Dubinsky-Atkinson (or Bjorkstand)

    On paper this appears to check all the boxes. So how crazy is it?

    Laid it out well, I think Columbus maybe is a little gunshy about that trade.

    To them jenners value can’t be much different than nuges. And if he plays centre, why trade him when they are actively looking for a centre?

  42. JDï™ says:

    I just can’t see there being much chance of a complete redesign of the blue line this summer. I think if this team moves forward next year, it’s mostly due to minor tweaks, internal growth, continued coaching improvements, and leaving the curse of Rexall behind them.

    #loweredexpectations

  43. Woogie63 says:

    Is Klefbom our 1LHD? How many NHL games has he played?

  44. Ryan says:

    JDï™:
    I just can’t see there being much chance of a complete redesign of the blue line this summer. I think if this team moves forward next year, it’s mostly due to minor tweaks, internal growth, continued coaching improvements, and leaving the curse of Rexall behind them.

    #loweredexpectations

    I see a really bad trade for Vatanen as being the most likely scenario.

  45. Ryan says:

    Lowetide: Yes. Agreed on Fayne. I also think he could be a fine third pairing option who could step up as required.

    Ryan Rishaug was asked by Stauffer about the likelihood of a Korpse buyout today. He said that he couldn’t see a reason for it and that Fayne was a bigger problem.

  46. Barcs says:

    I hate to say it, but I am near-positive that Korpikoski will be back with the team next year.

    Particularly after Richaug’s comments today on Oilers Now (sees Fayne as a bigger problem than Korpi).

    TMac likes him, and I feel that TMac has a much bigger portion of PC’s ear than Tyler Dellow.

    Always amazed at the massive chasm that can sometimes exist between the eye test and the math.

  47. godot10 says:

    #WaitingForDemers or #PrayingForFayne isn’t going to cut it.

    There is something happening here. What it is ain’t exactly clear.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5M_Ttstbgs

  48. godot10 says:

    Woogie63:
    Is Klefbom our 1LHD?How many NHL games has he played?

    If he’s healthy, he is legit.

  49. rickithebear says:

    Defence is the cornerstone of championship.
    One of the 7 goalies that are avg in med and high chance shot save % give up 1 goal for every 8 shots.

    Bottom 20 hscad are 12.5 or worse each year.
    To 20 hsca d are 8.00.
    4.5 more high scoring chance shots in 60.
    That means 40 more games were we got to score 3 goals.

    Stop the fools game of chasing utter shit dmen.

    Brodin
    Lindholm
    Josi
    …………

    If you are not getting a d .50 GA/60 better. Then why the f……………………. Would you trade a forward that is .30/60 better than all but 40 players in the game. See hall, mcdavid, eberle.
    Or
    A forward .30 gf/60 better than all but 80 players in the game.
    Draisatl

    Giving up the one dman trending like nick lidstrom and a 20 year pvp center that scored at same rate as kopitar.

    In what world woodguy is that Sane.

    I know he performed like lidstrom in the games he played last year and i know he performed liike on of the anchor centers of the decade.

    But that dman from montreal gets less gf/60 and gives up more ga/60 than the d we are giving up and the forward from montreal is shadow of the gf/60 of our 20 year old center.

    I am sure the TSN trained fans voted yes.
    Those Tor leafs owned early morning and afternoon pieces of ……..

  50. Lowetide says:

    Ryan: Ryan Rishaug was asked by Stauffer about the likelihood of a Korpse buyout today.He said that he couldn’t see a reason for it and that Fayne was a bigger problem.

    Interesting. I don’t agree, and wonder why Rishaug is on the other station.

  51. rickithebear says:

    John Chambers: If it’s followed up by a trade similar to the acquisition of Talbot and a signing like Sekara, I’d call it a productive offseason.

    Sather stated the trade was mact.
    All pc had to do was not be stupid and sign on the dooted line.

    Se reinhart trade for stupid.

    See drafting Barzal for wasting a trade.

  52. Ryan says:

    Lowetide: Interesting. I don’t agree, and wonder why Rishaug is on the other station.

    I never thought about it, but that is odd.

    Can someone sane confirm what I thought I heard Rishaug say today?

  53. rickithebear says:

    Lowetide: Interesting. I don’t agree, and wonder why Rishaug is on the other station.

    Trade the best hsca d in EC for 4 years to Toronto. Cause he is a problem in the WC.
    Leafs owned reporter strikes again.

  54. Barcs says:

    Ryan,

    I didn’t listen to it myself, but Woodguy and several other people were deriding talking about it on Twitter.

  55. Pescador says:

    Woogie63:
    Is Klefbom our 1LHD?How many NHL games has he played?

    Yes,
    Not enough

  56. Ryan says:

    Barcs:
    Ryan,

    I didn’t listen to it myself, but Woodguy and several other people were deriding talking about it on Twitter.

    Ah it was on Gregor’s show. My bad.

  57. Gret99zky says:

    godot10: If he’s healthy, he is legit.

    You spelled “dreamy” wrong.

  58. Lowetide says:

    Ryan: I never thought about it, but that is odd.

    Can someone sane confirm what I thought I heard Rishaug say today?

    I have no doubt you heard it because you are an honest chap. I suspect it was Rishaug and Gregor, however. 🙂

    And I still do not agree. I know many who read this are in the David Staples camp, and believe buying out Fayne is a good idea. I do not. I think we can disagree and still discuss these things.

  59. Barcs says:

    Lowetide,

    I think you nailed it earlier today when you said something to the effect of Fayne being a strong (if overpaid*) third pairing option who can move up as injuries strike.

    *my words

    I hope he’s working on his foot speed this summer a la Teddy P last summer. If he can keep up with TMac’s system, he’ll be perceived better.

  60. Ryan says:

    Lowetide: I have no doubt you heard it because you are an honest chap. I suspect it was Rishaug and Gregor, however.

    And I still do not agree. I know many who read this are in the David Staples camp, and believe buying out Fayne is a good idea. I do not. I think we can disagree and still discuss these things.

    My ‘fear’ when I hear someone like Rishaug make that comment is that he’s possibly parroting the opinion of Oilers management.

    Based on numbers and positional depth, I would agree with you that Korpikoski is a much bigger problem. Korpse is one heck of a Denver boot. 🙂

    The Oilers lack of depth combined with the lack of available right shot defensemen make Fayne difficult to consider as a buyout candidate.

  61. Lowetide says:

    Ryan: My ‘fear’ when I hear someone like Rishaug make that comment is that he’s possibly parroting the opinion of Oilers management.

    Based on numbers and positional depth, I would agree with you that Korpikoski is a much bigger problem.Korpse is one heck of a Denver boot.:)

    The Oilers lack of depth combined with the lack of available right shot defensemen make Fayne difficult to consider as a buyout candidate.

    Good points. I think the Oilers have an overpaid Fayne and an overwhelmed Korpikoski. They can send Korps to the farm though. Fayne is a roster player who, lord willing, is lost in the expansion draft next summer. Need him now though.

  62. Water Fire says:

    Klefbom + Drai > Subban

    This is the deal essentially, they have more value to a team IMO.

    Tell me, who signs a guy for 9M and then listens to trade offers (which I think they are) because the NMC is kicking in? If you sign a player to a mega contract he’s forever isn’t he? Muller isn’t going to like the chaos anymore than Therrien. McLellan would move him to RW.

  63. hags9k says:

    I don’t think Fayne should be bought out. He is a real NHL defenseman (RH) and we need more.

    Also, I think we will be set up for disappointment expecting Klef to be a #1 LHD next year. He is coming off a long injury(s) and is still developing, and it might not be a straight line to #1 stud like we are all hoping. Sekera is the best D man on the roster to take the lion’s share of the minutes to start the season.

    Reading that last sentence again, you realize there will be blood.

  64. Todd Macallan says:

    I agree that buying out Fayne would be terrible asset management, and frankly a waste of a serviceable actual NHL dman.

    However, going back to the earlier ARZ rumour, if on draft day when Chia is up at 4 if he offers the Coyotes #4 + Fayne (50% retention) for #7, #20, + Michael Stone, does the wunderkind GM on the other side pull the trigger?

    They get the semi-local boy in Tkachuk or their dman they are convinced won’t be there at 7, plus a steady bottom 4 defender for cheap. EDM gets more bullets to stock their barren cupboards with talent plus a legitimate top 4 RH dman with a good contract and Petry-esque offense this past year.

    Makes a bit of sense for both sides to me, but it’s also late out here on the east coast so the arse could be out of er by now.

  65. Pescador says:

    JDï™:
    I just can’t see there being much chance of a complete redesign of the blue line this summer. I think if this team moves forward next year, it’s mostly due to minor tweaks, internal growth, continued coaching improvements, and leaving the curse of Rexall behind them.

    #loweredexpectations

    It’s hard for me to let myself believe it, does that make any sense?
    Sign Demers 6×5 or 5×6.
    Trade Yak + 32 for Severson or other.
    Would this constitute a major D overhaul?
    I would then play Nurse on the 3rd pair With Davidson for cover.
    Unlikely? sure but not impossible.
    @Lowetide
    What is so hard to grasp? No buyout on Fayne **unless** you can get 3 better options. Does this summarize your point effectively enough?

  66. Water Fire says:

    Pescador: It’s hard for me to let myself believe it, does that make any sense?
    Sign Demers 6×5 or 5×6.
    Trade Yak + 32 for Severson or other.
    Would this constitute a major D overhaul?
    I would then play Nurse on the 3rd pair With Davidson for cover.
    Unlikely? sure but not impossible.
    @Lowetide
    What is so hard to grasp? No buyout on Fayne **unless** you can get 3 better options. Does this summarize your point effectively enough?

    Demers Severson are better than Fayne Gryba. They are both more mobile and both have an offensive side, both can pass. This is basically an upgrade with no major asset cost other than the blown 1OV but that boat has sailed.

    In still having Fayne the right side is solid, if unspectacular, and it isn’t now. Fayne can play the D zone role giving more opportunities to the other two. This would give the Oilers 6 solid NHL D with nobody sinking.

    I think it would give a significant boost to offense as well with the puck moving up better. Add again next summer. It isn’t all or none 2016.

  67. AsiaOil says:

    Enough of the foreplay – let’s get this party started. I’ll wait for some actual news to assess and evaluate with the community. We wait…..

  68. godot10 says:

    Fayne is necessary to meet the expansion draft criteria for exposing a defensemen. It would be unwise to trade him.

  69. RandomPoster says:

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    A TD Canada trust ATM just stole $500 from me. The man on the complaint line gives me a confirmation number and tells me that the ATM investigation team will get back to me within 2 weeks with their findings. I can’t believe it.
    Sorry to be posting this here. I needed a place to vent.
    LT. Is that the proper use of “sorry”?

  70. Lowetide says:

    RandomPoster:
    ***Spam Alert***
    Don’t trust the fancy new ATM machines! You know the oneswhere you don’t use an envelope to deposit.
    A TD Canada trust ATM just stole $500 from me. The man on the complaint line gives me a confirmation number and tells me that the ATM investigation team will get back to me within 2 weeks with their findings. I can’t believe it.
    Sorry to be posting this here. I needed a place to vent.
    LT.Is that the proper use of “sorry”?

    Haha. Yes. That happened to me many years ago. You will be okay, I expect.

  71. Mr DeBakey says:

    I was heartened to read in Jim Matty’s column this morning “The Oilers like Tkachuk and Dubois, but Sergachev is close behind.”

    He went on to say “The Oilers may be leaning to Tkachuk, but scouts are divided on Tkachuk and Dubois in the No. 4 hole. ”
    May.
    Not are leaning.
    He then gave a terse but accurate outline of the strengths & weaknesses of the two.

    He then made me laugh with with some Cam Wardisms. Nothing on Drew Stafford’s status though.

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-world-edmonton-oilers-almost-never-trade-their-first-round-draft-pick

    Don’t draft like puke, draft Pierre-Luc!

  72. Pescador says:

    Water Fire: Demers Severson are better than Fayne Gryba. They are both more mobile and both have an offensive side, both can pass. This is basically an upgrade with no major asset cost other than the blown 1OV but that boat has sailed.

    In still having Fayne the right side is solid, if unspectacular, and it isn’t now. Fayne can play the D zone role giving more opportunities to the other two. This would give the Oilers 6 solid NHL D with nobody sinking.

    I think it would give a significant boost to offense as well with the puck moving up better. Add again next summer. It isn’t all or none 2016.

    I agree with you, I believe we are both championing the same cause here.
    It’s very possible that my sentence composition lacks; how should I put this?
    Once I get my grade 12 Julien. We’ll see who’s smart and who isn’t.

  73. LMHF#1 says:

    Really hope they don’t move Leon unless it’s a big win. We’ve finally replaced Arnott. It only took 20 effing years.

    Would rather trade Hopkins if it comes down to it.

    McDavid
    Draisaitl
    Backes/Nielsen

    Ftw.

  74. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    LMHF#1:
    Really hope they don’t move Leon unless it’s a big win. We’ve finally replaced Arnott. It only took 20 effing years.

    Would rather trade Hopkins if it comes down to it.

    McDavid
    Draisaitl
    Backes/Nielsen

    Ftw.

    Finally replaced Arnott? What?

    Arnott had a good shot, a ridiculously hard slap shot that missed its target a lot, was right-handed and an okay, but not amazing passer. His backhand was also nothing special. Later in his career he became solid defensively and engaged physically.

    Draisaitl has an average shot (more an opportunistic goal scorer), doesn’t demonstrate much of a slap shot, is left-handed. He is a much better passer than Arnott and has a great backhand. Time will tell if he becomes better defensively and more engaged physically.

    Arnott was also a lot bigger and more physically imposing than Leon. Leon uses his decent size and reach to shield the puck well , not really an Arnott style in this regard either.

  75. Wolfie says:

    You just can’t trade Leon. He has size and skill. It’s evident he works his butt off. Skill without will is “Shinebox” Shremp.

    The Oilers have been chasing the game and the formula for so long. They are coming from so far back it’s hard to be patient.

    McDavid isn’t going anywhere. Leon the professional “Dr Dre” is #2 on my list of keepers or at least tied with Hall. That’s it. As much as I love Nuge he’s available. And I’m willing to take a step back in the short term for long term gain. With that being said I don’t trade Nuge for anything less than a bonafide top 4 guy.

    We are quick to forget just how special some of these players are. If not for the lack of any kind of support, Nuge, Hall etc would not be facing trade speculation. The Oilers have shored up some areas. There is more depth now then there has been in awhile. A 3 for 1 like suggested for Subban strips that away immediately. I don’t think Subban impacts the game enough to give up a very good young d-man in Klefbom and a stud like Draisaitl.

    This is a dangerous time and there is temptation everywhere for a quick fix. Stay the course. Develop from within. Let the Hall cluster shield the McDavid cluster for a little while longer.

  76. LMHF#1 says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": Finally replaced Arnott? What?

    Arnott had a good shot, a ridiculously hard slap shot that missed its target a lot, was right-handed and an okay, but not amazing passer. His backhand was also nothing special. Later in his career he became solid defensively and engaged physically.

    Not same style. Big C who can impose himself to the point where the other team doesn’t have much hope. See Leon against Toews and Kane in OT this year.

  77. highgloveside says:

    Giving them Klefbom, Draisaitl, Fayne and Yak, I would want Gallager instead of Eller. Sure Eller would be your 3C but overpaid and not enough offence to make sense. Gallager could play 2nd or 3rd line RW and score you 25 goals and 50 pts. Eller is just a bad contract dump, you could probably trade Yak straight across for Eller in a trade.

  78. MrEd says:

    Worst case scenario?

    Maroon, McDavid, Eberle
    Hall, Leon, Pitlick
    Pouliot, RNH, Pakarinen
    Hendricks, Letestu, Kassian.

    Klef-Sek
    Davidson-xxx
    Nurse-Fayne

    Rienhart.

    Talbot
    xxx

  79. russ99 says:

    Klefbom should be moved before Nurse in an impact deal like that.

    Klefbom has more current value and would more entice opposing GMs to make a tough deal, his contract is going to start getting expensive soon, and there’s limitations with Klefbom that we don’t know yet if Nurse may end up being a better player.

    Klefbom isn’t physical, he’s not good in one on one battles away from the wall in the D-zone, he’s not a good crease clearer, his offense is limited once the puck is in the offensive zone, plus these a real worry about his skate issues recurring from last year, and he’s had really bad luck with his health.

    Also, Nurse has a real aptitude of making things happen. In the offensive zone and has a better chance of learning the mental and reaction-based things he can’t do at the NHL level yet than Klefbom gaining size and strength and knowing what to do with it, and without sacrificing his current game to do so.

    If Subban were on the table, he’s a solid replacement at both ends of the ice for Klefbom which would be the criteria for trading him, and I’d do it,

  80. OilSafety says:

    I can confirm the Rishaug Gregor conversation. Made me tilt my head and give the radio a funny look too. Fayne a bigger problem for the Oilers than korps, what?

    I too believe Fayne has a place on the third pairing jumping up occasionally and hopefully playing in Las Vegas the following season. Sure he’s overpaid for that role but you can’t change that now.

  81. StixMalone says:

    MrEd:
    Worst case scenario?

    Maroon, McDavid, Eberle
    Hall, Leon, Pitlick
    Pouliot, RNH, Pakarinen
    Hendricks, Letestu, Kassian.

    Klef-Sek
    Davidson-xxx
    Nurse-Fayne

    Rienhart.

    Talbot
    xxx

    No thanks. That will not happen….I hope!

  82. Rosco says:

    Re: Subban

    Would the folks here classify him as a puck carrier or distributor? I’ve always viewed as more of a carrier. Meaning, would he be as good of a fit on team where you are trying to get McDavid as many minutes as possible? If the Oilers did trade for Subban I can’t see him and McDavid on the ice together too much at even strength. Is that someone you’d want to be spending 9+ million on?

    I’d rather Klef and Drai on this team.

  83. Yeti says:

    russ99: Klefbom isn’t physical, he’s not good in one on one battles away from the wall in the D-zone, he’s not a good crease clearer, his offense is limited once the puck is in the offensive zone, plus these a real worry about his skate issues recurring from last year, and he’s had really bad luck with his health.

    Also, Nurse has a real aptitude of making things happen. In the offensive zone and has a better chance of learning the mental and reaction-based things he can’t do at the NHL level yet than Klefbom gaining size and strength and knowing what to do with it, and without sacrificing his current game to do so.

    Sometimes you should put the stats to one side and just watch the games.

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