DRAFT POST NO. 7: CHASING SHADOWS, MOONLIGHT MYSTERY

Peter Chiarelli’s shopping list remains the same but the possible solutions appear to be fewer by the hour. Sami Vatanen signing yesterday takes a puck mover off the available names and my list is leaking. Righties are the new Californium-252.

 THE RHD LIST (what is left)

  1. PK Subban, Montreal Canadiens. If available, shoot the moon.
  2. Travis Hamonic, NY Islanders. Perfect fit, if available.
  3. Kevin Shattenkirk, St. Louis Blues. Problematic solution.
  4. Jason Demers, Dallas Stars. Wilford Brimley: The right thing to do.
  5. Radko Gudas, Philadelphia Flyers. Strong, effective defender.
  6. Matt Dumba, Minnesota Wild. Electric skill, fast train, chaos, 21.
  7. David Savard, Columbus Blue Jackets. Range of skills.
  8. Damon Severson, New Jersey Devils. A nice underlying option.
  9. Mark Pysyk, Buffalo Sabres. The numbers imply there is a player here.
  10. Ryan Pulock, New York Islanders. Big shot from the point has high value. Very young.
  11. Ryan Murphy, Carolina Hurricanes. Some chaos, but good speed and puck-moving ability.
  12. Brandon Montour, Anaheim Ducks. This could be a special player.
  13. Cody Franson, Buffalo Sabres. That hammer from the point would come in handy and he fits a real need.
  14. Jordan Schmaultz, St. Louis Blues. Puck-moving prospect.
  15. Anthony DeAngelo, Tampa Bay Lightning. Another player with a puck-moving element to his game.
  16. Colin Miller, Boston Bruins. With the other Miller signing, maybe he is available.
  17. Eric Gryba, Edmonton Oilers. I think management likes him.
  18. Ville Pokka, Chicago Blackhawks. Young defender in the Chicago system.
  19. Ryan Sproul, Detroit Red Wings. Puck-moving defender in the AHL.
  20. Dennis Wideman, Calgary Flames. A year removed from a fantastic offensive season.
  21. Dan Boyle, New York Rangers. Retiring, but he is the player they are looking for—early, not late in his career.

I added Matt Dumba to the list, because Bruce Garrioch mentioned him during the Sunday Column. Nuge has been mentioned as a player of interest in Minnesota, but that would leave Edmonton badly lacking in experienced centermen who could play the tough minutes. A deal around Leon Draisaitl might be a better fit. Thoughts?

By the way, Garrioch also dropped PC’s name in the Shattenkirk paragraph. Tough to suss that out, although if STL signs him perhaps we see Alex Pietrangelo in play—and the Oilers would likely spend mad money on him.

Hmmm. The Flames trading up to take Jesse Puljujarvi. What would Edmonton need (aside from No. 6 overall) to make that work? My initial reaction is Dougie Hamilton, with a sweetener from Edmonton to make it work. My next reaction is to tell my brain this is not happening ever. Suspect that is the case.

BEATING THE DRAFT

We talk about the Oilers 2015 draft a lot, because it is tracking very well. As you may recall, that draft was a killer. So, how does Edmonton compare to another team in terms of quality from that draft? I chose Buffalo because they also chose an elite talent, and also had some picks missing from some rounds.

Edmonton

  1. C Connor McDavid—Edmonton Oilers. 45gp, 16-32-48.
  2. D Caleb Jones—Portland Winterhawks. 72gp, 10-45-55.
  3. D Ethan Bear—Seattle Thunderbirds. 69gp, 19-46-65.
  4. D John Marino—Tri-City Storm. 56gp, 5-25-30.
  5. G Miroslav Sbovoda—HC Sumperk. 21gp, 3.05 .924
  6. D Ziyay Paigin—Sochi HC. 45gp, 9-19-28

That is a helluva draft, based on year one. Edmonton did not have a second or third round pick, meaning the degree of difficult was higher. That said, McDavid. History suggests only one of the defensemen will play 100 games in the NHL, you would probably be wise to bet on two of these chaps doing it—based on year one. Have to do it again, men!

Buffalo

  1. C Jack Eichel—Buffalo Sabres. 81gp, 24-32-56
  2. D Brendan Guhle—Prince Albert Raiders. 63gp, 10-18-28.
  3. D Will Borgen—St. Cloud State. 37gp, 1-13-14.
  4. D Devante Stephens, Kelowna Rockets. 72gp, 2-9-11.
  5. C Giorgio Estephan, Lethbridge Hurricanes. 59gp, 30-44-74.
  6. D Ivan Chukarov, UMass-Amherst. 36gp, 3-5-8.

The Sabres procured some nice talent in other rounds too. Guhle is a giant who might have a shutdown future, Borgen scored well for St. Cloud State, and I like Estephan

HAPPY FATHER’S DAY

It is a perfect Father’s Day so far, gorgeous morning and everyone is still sleeping. The dog came downstairs and damned near hocked a loogie, she has been chasing spiders lately and eating them. I think she is also an anteater. We have rabbits who still come in our backyard, and she knows they do, but my puppy hasn’t been able to get close to one. Rabbits…see things.

The kids are good, we have one out of school for the summer and grabbing odd jobs and another working and keeping the economy going. Young people order online a lot, on my week off I signed for three items.

Jo and I are good, we visited her Mom on her 90th birthday in June. 90! She was a teenager in WW2, 44 during the October crisis and 56 when I met her—never looked her age! Genes. Smoke ’em if you’ve got ’em.

I was maybe 10. It was 17 miles north of Maidstone, we lived in the old school that my Dad fixed up. We had goats, we had a garden, we had a ping pong table made out of the school blackboards.

My Dad was building a fence. He put the posts in on a Saturday, help from his boys who weren’t old enough yet to be of much help (although that is a lie, my brother was pretty damned handy even as a youngster).

He worked hard all day, I remember watching him and thinking he could do anything (Dad could do a lot of stuff). At dusk, he and Mom stood and looked at his handiwork and then Dad said he wanted to back the car into the yard and past the posts.

He handed me the flashlight and said ‘shine this light so I can see’ and proceeded to start up the Ford. Remember people, I was 10. Dad starts backing up and I am shining the light in the sky, on the side of the house, at our dog Barney, but not helping Dad. I can hear him grumbling, and then yell ‘SHINE THE LIGHT OVER HERE!’

So I did. I put the light right on his face. He started yelling, the car door hit a post, he slammed the breaks on, jumped out of the car and started yelling blue murder. I thought I was dead. He was mad as hell and it was on me! ‘Why did you do that???? What kind of a dummy shines a light on my EYES so I can see??’

Mom comes running out of the house, assuming one of us has been run over. Dad rants and raves, explains the situation.

Mom: ‘He’s 10. Why didn’t you tell him where to shine the light?’

Dad: ‘No sense, no reason.’

By then, the dog and I were trying to find animals in the grass. It happened just like that. Happy Father’s Day!

crystall ball

CRYSTAL BALL!

We have reached the point in the offseason where it is a case of sitting around and waiting for news. Here is my best guess for the next two weeks:

  • Edmonton will draft Matt Tkachuk No. 4 overall.
  • Edmonton will make a day two trade involving prospects and picks for a young RHD like Mark Pysyk or Anthony DeAngelo.
  • Edmonton will trade Nail Yakupov for another high pick who has struggled since draft day (we talked about it here). I think Josh Ho-Sang is an example of a player who might be a plug-and-play while also being somewhat available.
  • Edmonton will sign Jason Demers in free agency.
  • Edmonton will sign Chad Johnson in free agency.
  • Edmonton will sign PA Parenteau in free agency.

OILERS PROJECTED ROSTER FATHERS DAY

If the money is too tight to mention, perhaps Korpikoski is sent down and Pakarinen wins that job. Thoughts?

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192 Responses to "DRAFT POST NO. 7: CHASING SHADOWS, MOONLIGHT MYSTERY"

  1. npanciroli says:

    Happy Father’s Day to everyone!

    Honestly, I would be satisfied with your crystal ball outlook. I think that team competes for a playoff spot and may surprise if they stay relatively healthy.

    I would prefer maybe a Stempniak to a Ho-Sang but we can’t always get what we want I suppose.

    I especially like Pysyk as I think he and Fayne could rotate between 2/3 RHD if one struggles more.

  2. Richard S.S. says:

    People pay way too much attention to what they would trade for an Oiler need. That makes me think most fans are worst than Vancouver’s GM – you don’t really know what you want. Trades are always about what is the minimum that an opposing GM will accept for one of his toys. Trades are made when the other GM decides he’s willing to pay that price.

  3. Protagonist says:

    Happy Father’s Day to everyone! I’ve lurked here a long while, but this is the first Father’s Day I’ve been able to participate in as a dad, so that’s cool. My son Felix was born 10 weeks ago, and I love him dearly. Hug your dads today, feed them bacon, go golfing.

  4. Woodguy says:

    I can’t bring myself to trust a man who grows a poor mustache like that and then keeps it.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Protagonist:
    Happy Father’s Day to everyone! I’ve lurked here a long while, but this is the first Father’s Day I’ve been able to participate in as a dad, so that’s cool. My son Felix was born 10 weeks ago, and I love him dearly. Hug your dads today, feed them bacon, go golfing.

    Congrats!!!

  6. theDjdj says:

    Happy Father’s (or Fathers’? The debate rages on) Day, Lowetide. Living in and old school? You’ve a storied childhood a country star would be jealous of.

    Honestly, we make just one move from your list of RHD acquisitions and have a better year with injuries we’re back in the winners circle. The one thing we don’t account for is our baseline defense improving over last year. I bought a first class seat to the Davidson hype train last year, Reinhart showed promise in his final at bat and I think Nurse can only improve (good start, good end, horrendous middle – like a chocolate covered turd).

    This arbitrary deadline we’ve placed on the team acquiring everything on the shopping list is overkill. We can dream of a Subban or Lindholm all we like but a less exciting Severson, some spare parts and a healthy team is enough for this hopeful idiot. If a top D shakes loose over the next few seasons Chia should have the powder dry to nail the shot.

  7. Jethro Tull says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/news-and-rumours-flames-looking-to-move-up-from-no-6-1.510763

    So possible Stamkos trade.

    Hypothetical: Stammer trained with McDavid and they seem to be buds. If Stamkos indicates to TBL that he would sign for the Oilers should they trade, oh say, RNH, for the negotiating rights, do you pull the trigger?

    Damn sure I would.

  8. Jethro Tull says:

    Protagonist:
    Happy Father’s Day to everyone! I’ve lurked here a long while, but this is the first Father’s Day I’ve been able to participate in as a dad, so that’s cool. My son Felix was born 10 weeks ago, and I love him dearly. Hug your dads today, feed them bacon, go golfing.

    Congrats. Felix is a lucky name.

  9. Mr DeBakey says:

    C Giorgio Estephan, Lethbridge Hurricanes. 59gp, 30-44-74.

    He was still on the Board when the Oilers took Jones. But WTF do I know.

    Edmonton will make a day two trade involving prospects and picks for a young RHD like Mark Pysyk or Anthony DeAngelo.

    Is that not where Yakupov goes? Reinhart too?

    ***
    After the Flames stuff, the rest of Garioch’s piece reminded me of a Nothing Burger.

    ***

    Pick* Person* Position*ESPPG

    4 Pierre-Luc Dubois * C * 1.05
    32 Frederic Allard * DR * 0.34
    62 Jordan Sambrook * DR * 0.33
    85 Travis Barron * LW * 0.55
    87 Jacob Neveu * DR * 0.24
    122 Dmitry Sokolov * C * 0.49
    148 David Quenneville * DR * 0.42
    152 Dylan Coghlan * DR * 0.27
    182 Dawson Davidson * DL * 0.44

  10. Lowetide says:

    Jethro Tull:
    http://www.tsn.ca/news-and-rumours-flames-looking-to-move-up-from-no-6-1.510763

    So possible Stamkos trade.

    Hypothetical:Stammer trained with McDavid and they seem to be buds.If Stamkos indicates to TBL that he would sign for the Oilers should they trade, oh say, RNH, for the negotiating rights, do you pull the trigger?

    Damn sure I would.

    I believe it was WG who mentioned this awhile back. I would not trade Nuge for the chance to negotiate.

  11. Woodguy says:

    Protagonist:
    Happy Father’s Day to everyone! I’ve lurked here a long while, but this is the first Father’s Day I’ve been able to participate in as a dad, so that’s cool. My son Felix was born 10 weeks ago, and I love him dearly. Hug your dads today, feed them bacon, go golfing.

    Congrats!

    I let my daughter eat all the dirt she wanted to when she was a baby and now she’s not allergic to anything.

    Free range kids!

  12. npanciroli says:

    Protagonist:
    Happy Father’s Day to everyone! I’ve lurked here a long while, but this is the first Father’s Day I’ve been able to participate in as a dad, so that’s cool. My son Felix was born 10 weeks ago, and I love him dearly. Hug your dads today, feed them bacon, go golfing.

    Congrats! After babysitting our nephew and him waking up screaming at 2 AM then 4 AM, I am starting to have doubts about having kids.

    Jethro Tull:
    http://www.tsn.ca/news-and-rumours-flames-looking-to-move-up-from-no-6-1.510763

    So possible Stamkos trade.

    Hypothetical:Stammer trained with McDavid and they seem to be buds.If Stamkos indicates to TBL that he would sign for the Oilers should they trade, oh say, RNH, for the negotiating rights, do you pull the trigger?

    Damn sure I would.

    I wouldn’t trade a roster player but would trade up to maybe a 4th or so.

  13. Woodguy says:

    Jethro Tull:
    http://www.tsn.ca/news-and-rumours-flames-looking-to-move-up-from-no-6-1.510763

    So possible Stamkos trade.

    Hypothetical:Stammer trained with McDavid and they seem to be buds.If Stamkos indicates to TBL that he would sign for the Oilers should they trade, oh say, RNH, for the negotiating rights, do you pull the trigger?

    Damn sure I would.

    I’d wait until next Sunday and they I can talk to Stamkos for free.

  14. theDjdj says:

    Jethro Tull:
    http://www.tsn.ca/news-and-rumours-flames-looking-to-move-up-from-no-6-1.510763

    So possible Stamkos trade.

    Hypothetical:Stammer trained with McDavid and they seem to be buds.If Stamkos indicates to TBL that he would sign for the Oilers should they trade, oh say, RNH, for the negotiating rights, do you pull the trigger?

    Damn sure I would.

    Trade RNH for the trading rights to Stamkos? Why would we do that? If Stamkos wants to sign here, he’ll sign here. RNH is not worth shaving some money off of Stamkos deal by avoiding Free Agency.

  15. Mr DeBakey says:

    Woodguy:
    I can’t bring myself to trust a man who grows a poor mustache like that and then keeps it.

    As I said the other day
    He’s just Seeing Things
    https://youtu.be/xa-YGJqKHyg

    Rockin the 80s

  16. CalVag says:

    Trading any roster player (sans the half dead ones like Korps) for negotiating rights is lunacy

  17. Mike Dadbabclock says:

    I wonder if the Oilers could get Dumba at a discount if they were willing to take Vanek back (like what Carolina did with Bickell and Teravainen). I realize that Vanek grotesquely overpaid, but he only has a year left so he’ll be off the books when Draisaitl’s extension kicks in and he’s a right shot. Not quite the Pisani type we’re looking for but maybe he can be a stop gap for a year. Obviously he’d need to waive his NTC, but anything is possible with McJesus.

  18. Woodguy says:

    Mr DeBakey: As I said the other day
    He’s just Seeing Things
    https://youtu.be/xa-YGJqKHyg

    Rockin the 80s

    Two things:

    1) I actually watched that show

    2) Chia’s “mustache” isn’t in the same category as the magnificence above Louis Del Grande’s upper lip.

  19. Магия 10 says:

    npanciroli: Congrats! After babysitting our nephew and him waking up screaming at 2 AM then 4 AM, I am starting to have doubts about having kids.

    I wouldn’t trade a roster player but would trade up to maybe a 4th or so.

    Yeah. The record for rights is a conditional 4th. Could see a new record but no one is giving up a player worth protecting from the expansion draft

  20. Soup Fascist says:

    Not sure this is the dressing room for Josh Ho-Sang. From everything I have read and heard this kid is a loon. A talented loon, but a loon none the less.

    Ho-sang MIGHT have a chance in a room with an established record of winning, a defined and experienced leadership team with a need for cheap talent. (How are you doin’ Chicago?). I would hope he stays a million miles from this fragile group.

    And Happy Father’s Day to all.

  21. Магия 10 says:

    Soup Fascist:
    Not sure this is the dressing room for Josh Ho-Sang. From everything I have read and heard this kid is a loon. A talented loon, but a loon none the less.

    Ho-sang MIGHT have a chance in a room with an established record of winning, a defined and experienced leadership team with a need for cheap talent. (How are you doin’ Chicago?). I would hope he stays a million miles from this fragile group.

    And Happy Father’s Day to all.

    Yeah. He needs a Bellichuk or a Sather.

  22. leadfarmer says:

    Happy Father’s Day everyone!!

    Why would we ever trade Nuge for a week of negotiating rights so we can overpay Stamkos. The rights to an established top pairing dman just went for a 5th rounder. I can’t imagine paying more than a fourth.

    The more these long shot options for dmen solutions are being closed the more I’m concerned we will be seeing wideman.

  23. Richard S.S. says:

    What price is Peter Chiarelli willing to pay? I think it’s more than most fans are willing to accept. Moves that he needs to make will be very expensive, but moves that he’d like to make are beyond price, beyond pain.

    Just look at every team, the other 29, what do they have that the Oilers need and what do they have the Oilers might like? Then look at the Oilers’ Roster and think about what they would want in return. Don’t decide what you think should be given, decide what the other GM will want, what he will need. That might be a workable deal, just not something we as fans might like.

  24. YKOil says:

    (Reposting from yesterday as it was basically lost once Lowetide dropped this here #7 post)

    I remain convinced that the path to success for the Oilers is to be patient. It appears RHD have become the new ‘must have’ for all GM’s everywhere. The obvious gets remain Demers (UFA) and Savard (CBJ cap-hell).

    Outside of that I see a couple of paths forward using Yakupov as the trade piece (pick one):

    To Montreal:

    Juulsen and Minnesota 2016 2nd (#45) FOR Yakupov and Pittsburgh 2016 3rd (#91)

    To Buffalo:

    Pysyk and Minnesota 2016 3rd (#76) FOR Yakupov

    Season to flavour and maybe the Montreal trade is an overpayment. Prefer the Pysyk trade methinks. If I can find a way to make both trades I do (tricky given just one Yak).

    Savard-Fayne-Pysyk is light-years ahead of last years RHD group if that is the line-up out of training camp.

    I also think they should sign Clendening; guy will come in at less than a $1 million a yr for 2 or 3 and at that price the depth is more that worth it – especially since you can bury him in the minors to alleviate (the vast majority) of the cap hurt if you need to.

    Here is the big question – what do you add to Nurse to get Ristolainen?

  25. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    How did we get to the point where we are plugging Josh Ho-Sang into the lineup? Draft +1 player who came 14th in OHL scoring with less than 20 goals and plenty of time on the PP. I mean, he was 20 points back of Brayden Burke, a guy I’m not sure I’d put into an NHL lineup next year.

    Not saying I wouldn’t acquire him, but also no way I assume he’s on the team. AHL player more than likely.

  26. Water Fire says:

    Happy Fathers’s Day all.

    Woodguy I think Chia is in disguise, he really must be working hard, trying to misdirect his real intentions.

  27. Rondo says:

    Interesting read

    SEAL-Adjusted Scoring and why it matters for prospects

    https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/06/15/seal-adjusted-scoring-and-why-it-matters-for-prospects/

  28. mustang says:

    LT. Good read this morning, and happy Father’s Day to everyone!

    I do believe you nailed it. The names might change a bit, realistically the major splash won’t happen and I’m fine with that. But saying that, PC will not hesitate if the big deal comes around.

    Get Demers, trade Reinhardt for Pysyk.

    I would like that trade down senerio #4 for #7 and #20 then grab Sergachev.

    Debrinkcat at #20 would be grand

  29. Lowetide says:

    YKOil:
    (Reposting from yesterday as it was basically lost once Lowetide dropped this here #7 post)

    I remain convinced that the path to success for the Oilers is to be patient. It appears RHD have become the new ‘must have’ for all GM’s everywhere. The obvious gets remain Demers (UFA) and Savard (CBJ cap-hell).

    Outside of that I see a couple of paths forward using Yakupov as the trade piece (pick one):

    To Montreal:

    Juulsen and Minnesota 2016 2nd (#45) FOR Yakupov and Pittsburgh 2016 3rd (#91)

    To Buffalo:

    Pysyk and Minnesota 2016 3rd (#76) FOR Yakupov

    Season to flavour and maybe the Montreal trade is an overpayment.Prefer the Pysyk trade methinks.If I can find a way to make both trades I do (tricky given just one Yak).

    Savard-Fayne-Pysyk is light-years ahead of last years RHD group if that is the line-up out of training camp.

    I also think they should sign Clendening; guy will come in at less than a $1 million a yr for 2 or 3 and at that price the depth is more that worth it – especially since you can bury him in the minors to alleviate (the vast majority) of the cap hurt if you need to.

    Here is the big question – what do you add to Nurse to get Ristolainen?

    Excellent post.

  30. Lowetide says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    How did we get to the point where we are plugging Josh Ho-Sang into the lineup?Draft +1 player who came 14th in OHL scoring with less than 20 goals and plenty of time on the PP. I mean, he was 20 points back of Brayden Burke, a guy I’m not sure I’d put into an NHL lineup next year.

    Not saying I wouldn’t acquire him, but also no way I assume he’s on the team. AHL player more than likely.

    Sure. I think you could move Parenteau to the Nuge line, and have Kassian or Pakarinen as the 3R, with Ho-Sang in the minors. I placed Ho-Sang on the roster to reflect the changes in my prediction.

  31. YKOil says:

    Mike Dadbabclock:
    I wonder if the Oilers could get Dumba at a discount if they were willing to take Vanek back (like what Carolina did with Bickell and Teravainen). I realize that Vanek grotesquely overpaid, but he only has a year left so he’ll be off the books when Draisaitl’s extension kicks in and he’s a right shot. Not quite the Pisani type we’re looking for but maybe he can be a stop gap for a year. Obviously he’d need to waive his NTC, but anything is possible with McJesus.

    Have looked at this a lot. Would obviously need them to take back Korpikoski and would have to promise Vanek to trade him at the deadline if the playoffs out of reach.

    Problem is that Minnesota does not have to trade Vanek and they can dump him at the deadline themselves.

    Final notes: LOVE Coyle and Neids. Minnesota could use draft picks… and we have lots of those so that is something.

  32. mustang says:

    Protagonist:
    Happy Father’s Day to everyone! I’ve lurked here a long while, but this is the first Father’s Day I’ve been able to participate in as a dad, so that’s cool. My son Felix was born 10 weeks ago, and I love him dearly. Hug your dads today, feed them bacon, go golfing.

    Congrats! make sure to glue his lefthand to the top of the stick!! And teach him to skate backwards as fast as forwards…haha

  33. mustang says:

    Jethro Tull:
    http://www.tsn.ca/news-and-rumours-flames-looking-to-move-up-from-no-6-1.510763

    So possible Stamkos trade.

    Hypothetical:Stammer trained with McDavid and they seem to be buds.If Stamkos indicates to TBL that he would sign for the Oilers should they trade, oh say, RNH, for the negotiating rights, do you pull the trigger?

    Damn sure I would.

    In a heartbeat

  34. Soup Fascist says:

    Магия 10: Yeah. He needs a Bellichuk or a Sather.

    Or a Moose.

    “Hey Connor, it’s me, Mess. Let me know when I can unclench my grip on Joshy’s throat and set him down. He’s having trouble breathing. You gotta see it!!”

  35. Ripoux says:

    Happy Father’s day to one and all.

    My dad passed in 2010. Miss him dearly. I became a father 4 1/2 years later and although I seem to be more involved in my daughter’s life than he was in ours at the same age, I call on his wisdom every day. He always took the high road in his dealings with people who were jerks. I guess he could never be dragged down to their level. Magnifico.

    LT – have you done anything different with your site lately? When I run it using Firefox on my mac at home, something eventually bogs down and i get a warning about an unresponsive script running. Its the same with firefox at work on a PC. Just curious.

  36. Pescador says:

    @ Flute Boy Lover.
    There is an edit & a delete button, if you grow tired of getting hammered😀

  37. Магия 10 says:

    Ripoux:
    Happy Father’s day to one and all.

    My dad passed in 2010. Miss him dearly. I became a father 4 1/2 years later and although I seem to be more involved in my daughter’s life than he was in ours at the same age, I call on his wisdom every day. He always took the high road in his dealings with people who were jerks. I guess he could never be dragged down to their level. Magnifico.

    LT – have you done anything different with your site lately? When I run it using Firefox on my mac at home, something eventually bogs down and i get a warning about an unresponsive script running. Its the same with firefox at work on a PC. Just curious.

    Had something like that and disabled Adobe Flash and it stopped.

  38. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Happy Father’s Day to all the dads here and to all of your dads with us or up there. LT, I always love your Father’s Day posts. As one who lost my own dad when he was far too young, I really appreciate your stories as it helps me to remember my own little anecdotes.

    I am getting very near the point where I will have been around for more Father’s Days without him than with. And that’s a weird thought. Miss ya, Dad!

    As for your question of Nuge or Leon for Dumba…a huge heeeeeeeeeeck no!!!! That would be terrible. Dumba hits things and has a hard shot but he otherwise shows no nuance to his game. He is a famous prospect, fits the definition of overrated. I wouldn’t trade #4 for him (and I value Leon and Nuge more than the pick).

  39. theWaxCollector says:

    Happy Fathers Day you old Men!

    Congrats Protagonist, hopefully he didn’t get you a fish tie!

    Alright chiarelli lets pull the trigger on a couple solid deals. Quality over quantity.

    Isohope we can synthesize 2 californiums in the next 2 weeks

  40. Caramel Batman says:

    I will never understand why people suggest things like trading RNH for the negotiating rights to Stamkos when negotiating rights have so little value.

    It’s like they don’t understand that when you trade for negotiating rights you have not actually traded for anything.

  41. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    theWaxCollector:
    Happy Fathers Day

    Isohope we can synthesize 2 californiums in the next 2 weeks

    Now THERE’S a “Dad Joke” if I ever saw one. Happy Father’s Day.

  42. Lowetide says:

    Ripoux:
    Happy Father’s day to one and all.

    My dad passed in 2010. Miss him dearly. I became a father 4 1/2 years later and although I seem to be more involved in my daughter’s life than he was in ours at the same age, I call on his wisdom every day. He always took the high road in his dealings with people who were jerks. I guess he could never be dragged down to their level. Magnifico.

    LT – have you done anything different with your site lately? When I run it using Firefox on my mac at home, something eventually bogs down and i get a warning about an unresponsive script running. Its the same with firefox at work on a PC. Just curious.

    No, but that doesn’t mean GoDaddy hasn’t been tinkering.

  43. highgloveside says:

    Oilers likely RHD add will be Demers, then add a Boyle or Campbell for 1 year max 2 without a NMC. This could allow the Oilers to go do some shopping next year before the expansion draft at 60 cents on the dollar for players other teams won’t protect. I don’t believe there is any chance PC adds 2 quality RHD this year just to risk losing one in the expansion draft.

  44. DRFNsuperstar says:

    The Hall to Anaheim worry needs to stop, it’s not happening. They could sign any of Boedker, Lucic, Ladd and all those guys would probably take discounts to go. Can you imagine a Lucic-Getzlaf-Perry line, that is the stuff of nightmares.

    Get Demers, oilers have the advantage with Mclellan’s staff knowing him well and the fact that Dallas was limiting his minutes in playoffs hopefully means he asks for 2nd pair D money. Then go get Severson for Yak and offer sheet Ryan Strome.

  45. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Caramel Batman:
    I will never understand why people suggest things like trading RNH for the negotiating rights to Stamkos when negotiating rights have so little value.

    It’s like they don’t understand that when you trade for negotiating rights you have not actually traded for anything.

    Yeah that was one of the most outlandish suggestions I have ever seen on here.

    Team A: will send you a 5th for his rights
    Team B: will send you a 4th and a conditional 6th
    Chia: will send you Nuge!

    If Yzerman isn’t re-signing Stamkos he would say yes to that so fast.

    If you trade for Stamkos you are much better off keeping Nuge to trade elsewhere for defensive help.

    Besides, maybe Stamkos wants to play wing for McDavid so it is Eberle who becomes the odd man out.

  46. The Trade Guy says:

    My baby girl is teething and unhappy and wants nothing in this world but her mom. My five year old wants to draw tattoos on my legs with her markers or maybe have me take her to the store and buy her something.

    I’m making Kvass.

    Happy Father’s Day.

  47. Younger Oil says:

    Have people lost their minds?!?!?!

    Trading the rights to a very capable 1st OV for the chance to talk to Stamkos a couple of days early???

    When going into free agency, whoever owns the players rights means jack diddly to them. Any player is going to test the market and drive up their value as high as possible.

    No other team would have paid Nikitin $4.5M. He wanted to test the market, so MacT had to pay top dollar for him anyways to save face and not lose a late round draft pick for nothing.

    And yet people are willing to throw away Nuge for a marginally better chance to sign Stamkos, who owes the Oilers NOTHING for trading for his rights. Absolutely nothing.

    Good Lord, the world has gone mad.

  48. theWaxCollector says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    You too sir, God bless

  49. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    DRFNsuperstar:
    The Hall to Anaheim worry needs to stop, it’s not happening. They could sign any of Boedker, Lucic, Ladd and all those guys would probably take discounts to go. Can you imagine a Lucic-Getzlaf-Perry line, that is the stuff of nightmares.

    Get Demers, oilers have the advantage with Mclellan’s staff knowing him well and the fact that Dallas was limiting his minutes in playoffs hopefully means he asks for 2nd pair D money. Then go get Severson for Yak and offer sheet Ryan Strome.

    If only, if only.

    Demers and his agent are licking their chops right now. They have seen Barrie and Hamonic pulled from the market. Vatanen re-signed. They are going to cash in big time. Jason says, thanks Dad for taping my left hand to the top of my stick.

    Yak for Severson–everyone says it like if the Oilers offer it it will be a done deal but it takes two to tango. I don’t see why Jersey does it. Severson is worth more than current Yak.

  50. Mike Dadbabclock says:

    YKOil:
    Problem is that Minnesota does not have to trade Vanek

    I think Minnesota has to do something; they have about 7 and a half mil to sign 8 players. I agree with you when it comes to Coyle and El Nino.

  51. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Soup Fascist: Or a Moose.

    “Hey Connor, it’s me, Mess. Let me know when I can unclench my grip on Joshy’s throat and set him down. He’s having trouble breathing. You gotta see it!!”

    Haha this reminds me of an old Elston cartoon just after the trade deadline in ’87, with the header “How the Oilers plan to motivate Kent Nilsson”. In it are a small, terrified looking Nilsson (with huge eyeballs) being lifted right off the floor by the collar of his sweater by a gigantic, glowering Messier who is saying “Kent no play good! Make Mark ANGRY!!!”

    Unfortunately the old Elston cartoons — which were consistently great — are very difficult to find on the ‘net.

  52. Water Fire says:

    YKOil: Here is the big question – what do you add to Nurse to get Ristolainen?

    According to Matheson the Oilers have been pursuing him and he’s not available:

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-world-edmonton-oilers-almost-never-trade-their-first-round-draft-pick

    I try not to look back on anything pre-Connor, but that can be hard, and that was a poorly taken pick IMO. Indefensible actually. RR was better at every turn except fighting and far more fit the need.

    So Chia has been hard after a young offensive RHD since the get go. If Barrie doesn’t work out I think Severson (or similar) is the way to go as opposed to overpaying for somebody more prominent.

    Fill out the right side with Demers whom I would think the Oilers have the inside track on if he’s moving and McL likes him. Not perfect but set up to grow with the team.

    Klef Demers
    Sekera Davey/Severson
    Nurse Davey/Severson
    Reinhart

    If there is no big UFA forward signing Reinhart’s bonus should fit, or find a vet that has skill but isn’t an 82 game player anymore or something. It will come down to who is available.

    To me that is 7 good hockey players, a bit green but other teams have had success that way with 3 strong anchors. Not league top, but 4 guys that can be used on the PP, 3 have a decent point shot, everybody can skate, decent size as a group, one off hand player.

    Edit: Fayne could be there as well making a nice second pair and pushing someone to the farm.

  53. Bruce McCurdy says:

    How about trading Korpikoski for the negotiating rights to Stamkos? Or, you know, the “negotiating rights”

  54. npanciroli says:

    Water Fire: According to Matheson the Oilers have been pursuing him and he’s not available:

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-world-edmonton-oilers-almost-never-trade-their-first-round-draft-pick

    I try not to look back on anything pre-Connor, but that can be hard, and that was a poorly taken pick IMO. Indefensible actually. RR was better at every turn except fighting and far more fit the need.

    Nurse was ahead of RR in many draft rankings.

  55. CalVag says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    How about trading Korpikoski for the negotiating rights to Stamkos? Or, you know, the “negotiating rights”

    CalVag:
    Trading any roster player (sans the half dead ones like Korps) for negotiating rights is lunacy

    Get off my lawn!!

  56. Pescador says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Good day NYC,
    Another day another debate.
    Re: Yak for Severson, NJ needs forwards & I agree with your evaluation. Can we agree where there a will there’s a way? GM 4 A Day would add one of our extra 3rd rounders or Musil or both. Is that enough? You know our 32 ov is in play, But is Severson worth that & Yakupov?
    Thoughts

  57. Ryder says:

    Interesting note in Garrioch’s piece about Florida “looking to move Bjugstad”. He shoots right, is 6’6 and scores well. He lists him as a winger but he has a history of playing center. Sounds like the perfect player for us to bounce between 2RW and 2/3C, especially if we move away from Nuge. Chia should be targeting teams that are “looking to move these players” because usually they come a little cheaper.

    http://www.thewhig.com/2016/06/18/calgary-flames-eye-move-into-top-three-or-four-at-nhl-draft

  58. Rondo says:

    npanciroli,

    What if Nurse went too Buffalo and Risto went to Edmonton that day of the draft. Oilers would probably want to trade for Nurse today.

    Risto never would have progressed so far if Edmonton took him.

    Nurse was probably rated the highest just after the World Jr. then Oilers got their hands on him

  59. digger50 says:

    Happy Fathers Day!

    I have three little fraggles and in typical fashion they have forgotten about Fathers Day which is just typical of being a father isn’t it? Ha!

    My 8 year old can skate like the wind, says 50 goals in 50 games is no big deal. Plays Center, right wing, defence and goalie. That would be a versatile player.

    I expect about noon my wife will remember Fathers Day and it will be hugs all round. I’ll go out to Dads later as the boat needs the carb cleaned before holidays, and he is always better at these things. All is good.

  60. highgloveside says:

    Could a move be out there where you trade Sekera, Yak and 4th for Harmonic and Ryan Strome, then trade Hall for Lindholm and sign Lucic?

    Maroon – McDavid – Eberle
    Lucic – Draisaitl – Strome
    Pouliot – Nuge – Parenteau
    Hendricks – Letestu – Kassian

    Lindholm – Harmonic
    Klefbom – Fayne
    Davidson – Lovejoy

    That top pairing is now top 10 in the league. easy protect 3 dmen in expansion draft and cap spent is basically the same as last year.

  61. Lowetide says:

    digger50:
    Happy Fathers Day!

    I have three little fraggles and in typical fashion they have forgotten about Fathers Day which is just typical of being a father isn’t it? Ha!

    My 8 yearold can skate like the wind, says 50 goals in 50 games is no big deal. Plays Center, right wing, defence and goalie. That would be a versatile player.

    I expect about noon my wife will remember Fathers Day and it will be hugs all round.I’ll go out to Dads later as the boat needs the carb cleaned before holidays, and he is always better at these things. Allis good.

    My record is 2:30 in the afternoon, they were about that age. We were outside and the neighbor kid said Father’s Day and my wife went into action! 🙂

  62. godot10 says:

    1) When you trade for the negotiating rights, you are trading for the right to overpay the player, because you have to pay a premium to prevent them from going to July 1. If Stamkos wants to come to Edmonton on a discount, he will do that on July 1 without the need for Edmonton trading for his negotiating rights.

    2) Stamkos doesn’t play right defense.

    3) Vatanen and Barrie are not off the market. Anaheim had no intention of matching an offer sheet for Vatanen, so they had to sign him. A signed Vatanen will fetch more in a trade. Now they can just choose the best trade offer for Fowler or for Vatanen. Team-opted arbitration does NOT prevent Barrie from being offer sheeted.

    4) Trouba is guaranteed to be offer sheeted if Winnipeg doesn’t sign him by July 1. They have to sign him by the draft or be prepared to match a painful offer sheet.

    5) if Barrie, Trouba, and Lindholm all make it to July 1 without new contracts, which is the best option to offer sheet. Which offer sheet is least likely to be matched?

  63. frjohnk says:

    npanciroli: Nurse was ahead of RR in many draft rankings.

    Bobs list had Ristolianen at 8th, Nurse was 9th. http://www2.tsn.ca/blogs/bob_mckenzie/?id=426318
    At the time of the 2013 draft, Oilers had 2 young right handed Dmen with a bright future in Petry and Schultz who had just won AHL defenseman of the year and had a decent rookie year in the NHL. At the time Nurse was the safer and probably the pick that more filled a need.

    I’m a Nurse fan, but Ristolianen is on his way to be an elite number 1.

  64. npanciroli says:

    frjohnk: Bobs list had Ristolianen at 8th, Nurse was 9th. http://www2.tsn.ca/blogs/bob_mckenzie/?id=426318
    At the time of the 2013 draft, Oilers had 2 young right handed Dmen with a bright future in Petry and Schultz who had just won AHL defenseman of the year and had a decent rookie year in the NHL. At the time Nurse was the safer and probably the pick that more filled a need.

    I’m a Nurse fan, but Ristolianen is on his way to be an elite number 1.

    RR would definitely be better right now, I agree with that. I think ISS had Nurse higher and NHL Central even had him ahead of Monohan?

  65. nelson88 says:

    That story had me with tears in my eyes i was laughing so hard. Our upbringings aren’t that dissimilar.

    Happy Fathers Day to all!

  66. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    C Giorgio Estephan, Lethbridge Hurricanes. 59gp, 30-44-74.

    He was still on the Board when the Oilers took Jones.But WTF do I know.

    Edmonton will make a day two trade involving prospects and picks for a young RHD like Mark Pysyk or Anthony DeAngelo.

    Is that not where Yakupov goes? Reinhart too?

    ***
    After the Flames stuff, the rest of Garioch’s piece reminded me of a Nothing Burger.

    ***

    Pick* Person* Position*ESPPG

    4Pierre-Luc Dubois*C*1.0532Frederic Allard *DR*0.3462Jordan Sambrook*DR*0.3385Travis Barron*LW*0.5587Jacob Neveu *DR*0.24
    122Dmitry Sokolov*C*0.49
    148David Quenneville*DR*0.42
    152Dylan Coghlan *DR*0.27
    182Dawson Davidson*DL*0.44

    I’m a Hurricanes season ticket holder. Estephan is a quality player, but he only came on halfway through the year in his draft year. Even with his numbers I’m not sure he’s a better pick than Jones.

    Heck, as far as I can tell Jones substantially out scored Ethan Bear at evens. He was a great pick, certainly nothing to be upset about.

    Heck Burke is likely better than Estephan, and he didn’t get picked by anyone.

  67. frjohnk says:

    npanciroli: I think ISS had Nurse higher and NHL Central even had him ahead of Monohan?

    You are right, some lists had Nurse ahead of Ristolianen
    ISS had Nurse at 7 and Ristolianen at 11. http://www2.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=92324

  68. Greenberg says:

    RNH for talking rights to Tampa over Stamkos. Can’t get a better troll than that. You guys were sucked right in.

  69. Bryan says:

    Happy Father’s Day everyone. Great story about your father, LT. As we age these memories seem to become sweeter and more precious. I can remember times that my dad blew a fuse on me but looking back now it is much easier to understand. I think that most guy’s brain cells don’t start functioning properly until we are close to thirty and then we have a few glorious years before senility starts to kick in. As for trading Nuge, there are very few situations that the Oilers would win a trade involving him and trading him for someone’s negotiating rights is certainly not one of them.

  70. Water Fire says:

    npanciroli: Nurse was ahead of RR in many draft rankings.

    True. It doesn’t make any sense though to me, given RR is bigger. Usually the knock on offensive D is size. And then there’s that right shot thingy.

    Ristolainen had questions marks with defending, but Nurse did too, at the WJ’s the worry was his defensive play, and he was lauded for shutting players down. But there was still concern going in, and he was no where near as dynamic as the Finn.

    C’est la vie.

  71. Fog of Warts says:

    jonrmcleod:
    I haven’t had a chance to look at this carefully, but I thought it would be of interest to some here.

    Turns out I’ve seen the referenced author before:

    Schuckers: What’s An NHL Draft Pick Worth?

    What he’s actually claiming is a 10% improvement over a model in which he assumes that all prospects have equivalent value for all teams—BPA writ large (the 11th commandment, painstakingly etched, as it was, in symbols not yet invented, made no sense to Moses; bleary as he became with fatigue on the long, heavy descent, it somehow fell by the wayside after a brief rest stop—man oh man, I feel like a new man! amazing what just a five-minute rest can accomplish!)

    Statisticians, above all, should not fall prey to strawman bait and switch. It’s even conceivable that scouting offices are better than his proposed methods at ranking prospects, but they piss it all away, and 10% more, on draft day going off the board for “need”.

    As we have no ratified statistical models for organizations being less than the sum of parts by having the wrong mix of parts (so many other avenues of blame, where to even begin?) all ratified models will necessarily extol BPA—even if it’s wrong.

    As the kind of person who thinks the courts should offer a choice of either the Bible or The Logic of Scientific Discovery when swearing a witness in, I’m a tiny bit non-negotiable concerning that small rider clause.

  72. Lowetide says:

    The thing about all draft models is this: After No. 2, chances are better you are going to fail. The curve heads in that direction until death, with some RANDOM hits each year. The Oilers got Finns because that part of the world was under scouted and maybe if Australia starts developing players there will be a two-year window there.

    After that, scouts get hired and fired over luck, randomness and the ability to spot pretty women. Pretty sure.

  73. fifthcartel says:

    I really want Chiarelli to trade down and draft Sergachev, but knowing the Oilers they’re going to draft Tkachuk 4 (which is reasonable) then trade up/or select Logan Stanley at 32 (less reasonable).

  74. Pescador says:

    Nurse vs. Risto
    Revisionist history, but it does raise an interesting perspective for those of you who believe drafting a Dman this year in the top 10 gives us an automatic 1st pairing D. There is just no way of knowing how or which players will develop. It’s even riskier to pick D in the top 5 vs “math forwards”.
    I come to these conclusions based on the countless hours I have spent on this blog.
    However when it comes to Tkuchuk. Dubois will be better, I know that for a fact 🙂
    I am in favour of the oilers trading back & drafting Sergachyev or Juolevi if it helps us add an Nhl player.

  75. Doug McLachlan says:

    Happy Father’s Day everyone.

    See that Joe Haggerty of CSNNE is reporting that the Bruins are trying to shake Kulikov free from the Panthers. Offer is apparently the 29th and prospect Frank Vatarno.

    Kulikov only has one year left before his UFA years start and is a LHD but have to think we could beat that offer.

  76. Richard S.S. says:

    When you ignore experienced executives (like Nicholson, Chiarelli and McLellan) year after year after year and hire former Oiler Hockey Players to run your Hockey Team, bad things happen and are well-deserved. So discussing/comparing pre-2015-2016 teams as if nothing as changed is counter-productive and should not matter any longer. McDavid will make it wonderful again.

    Columbus is not that good a Team, their GM isn’t that much of a success and they are in Cap Hell. This is truly a disaster waiting to happen. Do they have anything the Oilers might want or might like?

    Montreal’s Offense isn’t. When Price disappeared to injury, so did they, except they kept playing. Their GM is not one of the Brightest lights and he keeps saying who he won’t trade. If you are unwilling to keep all options open, you deserve everything bad that happens. Do they have anything the Oilers might want or might like?

    The list of problem teams and less than effective GM seems endless, and I think Chiarelli knows it. His options and opportunities are endless. I don’t think Chiarelli has enough time to get everything done. The time of the Dinosaurs is not yet over, so change moves slowly.

  77. highgloveside says:

    Ripoux,

    Easy fix, get a real computer and dump the Mac. Hahaha

  78. stush18 says:

    Richard S.S.:
    When you ignore experienced executives (like Nicholson, Chiarelli and McLellan) year after year after year and hire former Oiler Hockey Players to run your Hockey Team, bad things happen and are well-deserved.So discussing/comparing pre-2015-2016 teams as if nothing as changed is counter-productive and should not matter any longer.McDavid will make it wonderful again.

    Columbus is not that good a Team, their GM isn’t that much of a success and they are in Cap Hell.This is truly a disaster waiting to happen.Do they have anything the Oilers might want or might like?

    Montreal’s Offense isn’t.When Price disappeared to injury, so did they, except they kept playing.Their GM is not one of the Brightest lights and he keeps saying who he won’t trade.If you are unwilling to keep all options open, you deserve everything bad that happens.Do they have anything the Oilers might want or might like?

    The list of problem teams and less than effective GM seems endless, and I think Chiarelli knows it.His options and opportunities are endless.I don’t think Chiarelli has enough time to get everything done.The time of the Dinosaurs is not yet over, so change moves slowly.

    Apparently they are interested in moving foligno. If they held some money from his contract and moved savaged I’d be willing to play ball with them. No idea where to start tho.

    Likely at nuge with some smaller pieces added.

  79. JDï™ says:

    Woodguy:
    I can’t bring myself to trust a man who grows a poor mustache like that and then keeps it.

    That’s a perfect negotiating stache – puts your foe off at first glance, and keeps them wondering.

  80. highgloveside says:

    Lowetide: My record is 2:30 in the afternoon, they were about that age. We were outside and the neighbor kid said Father’s Day and my wife went into action!

    Try the following Wed when I got home from work. They remembered at school, told my wife and they went all out that evening and she went all out that night. Best Fathers Day ever! they can forget every year in my books!

  81. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    As someone who preferred Risto over Nurse at the time (only slightly), (and Voracek over Gagner) I will say that the Nurse pick was completely justifiable.

    Sure, Risto is already around the first bend while Nurse is just getting out of the blocks. Still 80% of the race left.

    The angst that IS justifiable is the handedness thing. We all feel it because right now if we could just have a do-over on that pick that would solve a lot of balance issues. If the Oilers had indeed picked Nurse, the lefty, because of handednes while they had Petry and Schultz then that just proves that drafting for need at the top of the draft is a bad idea. But we don’t have any evidence either way. I think MacT was enamoured with all of Nurse’s physical tools and athletic prowess, and it wasn’t about handedness.

    The Oilers could conceivably trade Klefbom or Nurse to address the right-handed need, lose Reinhart to the expansion draft, and suddenly find themselves with a LHD depth chart of

    Sekera
    Nurse
    Davidson

    If Sergachev is the guy they want they should take him, handedness be damned.

  82. Jethro Tull says:

    Caramel Batman:
    I will never understand why people suggest things like trading RNH for the negotiating rights to Stamkos when negotiating rights have so little value.

    It’s like they don’t understand that when you trade for negotiating rights you have not actually traded for anything.

    You do know that ‘Hypothetical’ means? Read it again. I ‘suggested’ if the oilers had an inside track.

    Reading comprehension before indignation.

  83. Richard S.S. says:

    stush18,

    They are not moving out a $5.5 Cap hit to bring back a $6.0 Cap hit. They’d like to take zero money back if possible. Right now Foligno is a 2nd-Line LW or possibly a 3rd-Line LW, or, ideally he could be a 3rd-Line LW capable of easily playing 1st-line or 2nd-Line if needed, so beware of overpaying. The 32nd and something with negligible Cap-hit should be fair.

  84. speeds says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Even if they had an inside track, why would they overpay relative to the perceived market value?

    If someones really wants a bottle of water and would pay $20 for it, they don’t generally volunteer to pay more than the sticker price at the convenience store.

  85. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Jethro Tull: You do know that ‘Hypothetical’ means?Read it again.I ‘suggested’ if the oilers had an inside track.

    Reading comprehension before indignation.

    You don’t want to bid against yourself. If you reslly wanted the negotiating rights to a player you ask Stevie Y what his best offer is, and offer that +1. You don’t throw in Nuge into the ring when the best offer is a 3rd round pick or something like that.

    That way you can then move Nuge or Eberle in a deal for a D.

    Hypothetical or not, as speeds says if the ask is $1.50, why offer $10?

  86. leeinvan says:

    Right now the Oilers don’t have much street cred. If they panic and give the farm away fro an OK d man it will continue. If there is no deal to be made, move on. The team will be better and maybe by some miracle they can actually start the season with no serious injuries. Sourey and Whitney came as big time d men to the team and both flamed out. I would sooner they keep the 4 th pick and make a trade to get another top ten pick giving them the future star d man they need. Pittsburgs d might not even be a top ten d in the league,

  87. DRFNsuperstar says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: If only, if only.

    Demers and his agent are licking their chops right now. They have seen Barrie and Hamonic pulled from the market. Vatanen re-signed. They are going to cash in big time. Jason says, thanks Dad for taping my left hand to the top of my stick.

    Yak for Severson–everyone says it like if the Oilers offer it it will be a done deal but it takes two to tango. I don’t see why Jersey does it. Severson is worth more than current Yak.

    If Yakupov was from Canada the rhetoric would “firecracker would likes to get in on the forcheck and agitate the other team, heavy shot, hasn’t been able to get time a with a quality centre since his outstanding rookie campaign, can’t get powerplay time due to edmonton’s huge group of skilled left handed wingers. If placed in a scenario similar to Tarasenko definitely still has first line pontential, great buy low opportunity and comes with an amazing cap hit.”

    Granted I only watched 1 New Jersey game this year, but it is new management in Jersey and Severson got healthy scratched a handful of times this year. Jersey doesn’t have anyone under 32 that can score goals and no decent free agents want to sign there. Media bus throws Severson all the time for his “scrambly defensive game.” Maybe chia has to throw in Musil to even it out.

    I really think most people on here are in a different world than most other hockey people (Benning, media, and fans from other teams) granted I agree with a lot of opinions. It’s why Davidson will be fine when he is left available during an expansion draft and Severson is thought of as a #7 D with a struggling defensive game in Jersey. Goals, hits, plus-minus are still high value attributes and CorsiRel isn’t in most places outside of Edmonton.

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  89. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    DRFNsuperstar,

    Except Severson isn’t thought of as a #7D anywhere. Where did you get that from? All young D struggle. All NJD has to do is look at Larsson, who was a healthy scratch quite often under DeBoer. Now he is a top pair shut down D who is untouchable for them. I doubt they would be so impatient with Severson unless they got a deal they couldn’t refuse.

    I also just don’t think Musil has much value. Maybe a 5th rounder. Yak + 32nd might get you Severson, though.

  90. slopitch says:

    4+Reinhart for 6 + Hamilton makes sense for both teams.

    Then take the best available dman.

    Trade yak for picks and make Bjugstad happen. I can see Yak doing well in Florida if he ended up there.

    That would be a better roster without giving up much.

  91. Lowetide says:

    slopitch:
    4+Reinhart for 6 + Hamilton makes sense for both teams.

    Then take the best available dman.

    Trade yak for picks and make Bjugstad happen. I can see Yak doing well in Florida if he ended up there.

    That would be a better roster without giving up much.

    I doubt Calgary makes that trade.

  92. rickithebear says:

    Subban vs klefbom.
    Even:
    1. Similiar mid 1st comp

    2. Both top 20 evp/60
    Same even gf/ season

    3. Klefbom top pair defending; subban a teams #5 d results bottom 80.
    Klefbom .25 ga/60 beter than Subban; 18.00 toi x 80 is 6 less ga per season

    4. PkGA klefbom # 20 D; Subban top 90 2 nd unit pk d
    Klefbom 2.20 ga/60 better than subban. 2.42 toi x 80 gm is 7.1 GA/ season better

    So at this point klefbom is top 30 in 3 of 4 and the only d since lidstrom 1 st pair in all 4.
    With a 13.1 g dif improvement.

    So were Subban gets the excitment is his offensive flair.
    But my position has allways been.
    What do you generate goal dif wise.

    the key pp influence by d is a hard, fast , pp shot that requires major attention.
    Top 1-2 each year are 3.50 PPG/60 D like Weber; faulk
    3-6 2.3 ppg/60 doughty; giordano; Spurgeon
    7-15 1.75 ppg/60 Lindhom; OEL; Vatanen; Demers; Shatenkirk; Dumba

    Pp is the only d based role not requiring strong physical demand of defending the net.

    You want your Best PP d to play
    Pk subban is .32 ppgf/60 4.50 toi is 1.9 gf better than average.
    .83 ppg/60

    Klefbom is – .90 ppgf/ 60 1.88 toi. Is 2.3 gf below avg.

    Sekera and subban have the same ppgf/60 rates.

    Davidson displays a physically intimidating shot from the point.
    Looking at the games he played viable pp toi he was the # 1 ppgf/60 D in the game.

    If I am running the oiler pp Davidson is getting 4.50+ PpTOI.

    In what world do you trade a d performing like lidstrom,
    For a below average def D. Who,s even affect is no better than the d you are trading.
    And
    Pp performance makes him the 2 nd option for pp qb and PP point shot.

    Since 06-07 i have looked at a players unit performance to league average for selecting d.

    Subban 9M cap
    1st comp
    Bottom 80 hsca d
    Top 20 evp /60 d
    Average Pk ga d
    Top 40 ppgf d
    Top 70 ppgf d

    Instead of keeping intact

    Klefbom 4.167M
    1 st comp
    Top 60 hsca d
    Top 20 evp/60 d
    Top 20 pkga d

    Sekera 5.5M
    2 nd comp
    Top 10 hsca d
    Average evp /60
    Top 40 ppgf

    Davidson 1.425
    2nd comp
    Top 30 hsca d
    Bottom 2 nd pair evp/60
    Top 20 pkga d
    Trended as top 3 ppgf d

    Our entire d “core” for 11.09 M
    Or
    9 M for Subban

    Quit being sheep and use your own brains to understand Goal dif affect.

    When i say bat shit crazy.
    My standard is that trade is going to require us to score 15 more goals to win!

    Never been a fan of the study with games lost because of X goals.

    GA for teams is 2.2 to 3.2 GA/gm on average
    so Adding a goal to 2 means you need 4 to win
    So adding a goal to 3 means you need 5 to win.

    15+ more 4-5 GF games.
    So you are looking at what 60-70% of the extra goal games being losses.

    BAT SHIT CRAZY!

  93. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    rickithebear,

    The thing with Klef is his sample size is really small because he has been hurt so much. Yes, he looks really promising but I fear we have started to get ahead of ourselves a bit.

  94. ASkoreyko says:

    Jethro Tull: You do know that ‘Hypothetical’ means?Read it again.I ‘suggested’ if the oilers had an inside track.

    Reading comprehension before indignation.

    If the Oilers really did have an inside track then trading for his rights wouldn’t even make sense. They can just wait for him to hit the open market and send over the contract.

    Also Hypothetical does not absolve you of any criticism for the idea itself. Hypothetical protects you from the plausibility of the idea, not the merits of it.

  95. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Pretty sure we could have taken a brief sample of Wiercoch play from Ottawa and seen him as a near elite potential top pairing young Dman. Not so much anymore. Brodin sure appeared to be headed that direction as well. Kulikov too.

    Klefbom will be a good NHL Dman. Hard to say if he will be a long term all situations first pairing guy. You are correct, sample remains too small.

  96. Mr DeBakey says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: I’m a Hurricanes season ticket holder. Estephan is a quality player, but he only came on halfway through the year in his draft year. Even with his numbers I’m not sure he’s a better pick than Jones.
    Heck, as far as I can tell Jones substantially out scored Ethan Bear at evens. He was a great pick, certainly nothing to be upset about.

    I’m going to stand by my statement,
    WTF do I know?

    I think that he “came on halfway through the year in his draft year” was part of the allure.
    He “Turned a Corner” or “Took a step Forward” or Some such Babble.

  97. YKOil says:

    Mike Dadbabclock: I think Minnesota has todo something; they have about 7 and a half mil to sign 8 players. I agree with you when it comes to Coyle and El Nino.

    True, there is some incentive there. So what is our price point? Does:

    Korpikoski, Lander, Florida 2016 3rd (#84) and Pittsburgh 2016 3rd (#91)
    FOR
    Vanek and Dumba

    Get it done? Say Dumba gets Klef money on a 6 year, so ~ $4.2 (which is a big bet); so now the Oilers are in for $6.5 + 4.2 – 2.5 – 0.95 = $7.25 million on what is basically a cash buy for a RHD.

    I don’t think it works really – not when McDavid, et al are going to get their bonuses.

    So then… does $4.75 million work? That looks like this:

    Korpikoski, Lander and Yakupov
    FOR
    Vanek and Dumba

    After that it is a MUCH bigger deal (say Hall or Nuge for Vanek, Dumba, Coyle, etc). and that is crazy land talk.

    Of course, if we don’t care about offer sheets there is always the chance of offering draft picks for Dumba straight up and seeing if they bite.

    And that is about it for Minnesota, at least in regards to Dumba anyways.

  98. Lowetide says:

    Re: Estephan vs. Jones. Too soon to tell, but a good debate. That reflects well on both players and both teams imo.

  99. Younger Oil says:

    What do people think of Matt Martin as a UFA signing?

    TSN saying he could get $10M over 4 years.

    I think I’d do it. We’ve been missing a player like him for a very, very long time. Hits everything in sight, very good defensively, puts up 15-20 points a year.

    Also gives even more of a reason to get rid of Korpse.

  100. Woodguy says:

    JDï™: That’s a perfect negotiating stache – puts your foe off at first glance, and keeps them wondering.

    Awesome.

    “is this guy for real….he might be a bit nuts”

  101. Jethro Tull says:

    ASkoreyko: If the Oilers really did have an inside track then trading for his rights wouldn’t even make sense. They can just wait for him to hit the open market and send over the contract.

    Also Hypothetical does not absolve you of any criticism for the idea itself. Hypothetical protects you from the plausibility of the idea, not the merits of it.

    Addressing my points in a reasoned manner a la NYCoil is acceptable.

    Revving up the outrage bus, in a manner that a British tabloid journalist would be proud of, isn’t. (Not you Ask, but Caramel)

    But to get Stamkos, we’d have to shed salary. In a world where contracts are traded for players who don’t even play anymore just so they can reach a minimum salary, is my idea any more crazy?

  102. Rondo says:

    Trade down to 5, 6 or 7 take Sergachev. Unless Oilers see a big gap between Tkachuk PLD and Sergachev.

    I think Oilers when they picked Nurse there were questions about his shot and scoring and how that would translate to the NHL. After that experience I would think Sergachev makes sense given his shot and his ability to score points in the OHL.

  103. YKOil says:

    Woodguy:
    ****SPAM****

    New Because Oilers:

    Oiler RH Dman search #6:Zach Redmond surprises the shit out of me.

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2016/06/oilers-right-shot-dman-search-6-zach.html

    ****END SPAM****

    I saw your posts. I like Redmond as well. He fits into my ‘be patient’ approach. Also fits into the ‘not expensive’ category.

    Honestly, lacking Chiarelli’s better info (and his is MUCH better than mine seeing as I have none), this summer is not shaping up as one that will work to the Oilers advantage. If Pete can’t kick out the jams (Subban, et al), then be patient.

    So fill some holes. Get Demers if you can. Improve depth on the right side regardless. Call it even. Let Eberle, Nuge, et al recover their sheen. Finish up with Korpikoski, Letestu, et al. Wait for GM’s to get stupid. Pounce.

    Tada.

  104. Lowetide says:

    Younger Oil:
    What do people think of Matt Martin as a UFA signing?

    TSN saying he could get $10M over 4 years.

    I think I’d do it. We’ve been missing a player like him for a very, very long time. Hits everything in sight, very good defensively, puts up 15-20 points a year.

    Also gives even more of a reason to get rid of Korpse.

    Gah! NO.

  105. Younger Oil says:

    Personally, I only consider taking Sergachev if you are swapping one of the young LHD (probably Nurse) for a quality RHD.

  106. Younger Oil says:

    Lowetide: Gah! NO.

    Don’t like the money and term? Or don’t like the player?

  107. Richard S.S. says:

    Woodguy,

    OK, we mustn’t forget him, but he’s not the first priority for the Oilers when you don’t know what bullets you’ll need. Or should he be?

  108. jm363561 says:

    In what world do you trade a d performing like lidstrom,
    For a below average def D. Who,s even affect is no better than the d you are trading.
    And
    Pp performance makes him the 2 nd option for pp qb and PP point shot.
    ======
    Ricki (or Mr Bear if that is too informal), I read your post a couple of times and the section above a few times more. Please bear (no pun intended) with me but if you have some time could you clarify your overall conclusion as I would like to understand it- who is the below average def D and how does Lidstrom fit in? Is Subban worth the money?

    On a related matter for we stats – lite guys there are two great articles by WheatNOIL on the Cult site looking at defenders stopping zone entrances and successful zone exits. KBom, Sekera and Davidson rock. Oesterle is a bullet at exiting the zone – he would look great at Pittsburgh – just needs to defend better.

    Ricky (again), why is Davidson almost always slotted in as a 3D? There seems to be little he does not excel at?

  109. Lowetide says:

    Younger Oil: Don’t like the money and term? Or don’t like the player?

    The Oilers already spend way too much on their fourth-line players. Even if he could play third line and there is no room, for me the investment of dollars would be too much.

  110. Mr DeBakey says:

    Re: Stamkos

    If he re-signs in Tampa, the Lightnin’ need to drop salary.

    Strålman for 2017 1st and whatever [Unless it happens before this year’s draft, of course].

  111. OF17 says:

    Matthew Tkachuk recorded a point on 67 of the 73 even-strength goals London scored with him on the ice this past season. That's 92%.— Todd Cordell (@ToddCordell) June 17, 2016

    Wow. That’s a pretty insane rate. Certainly makes me less concerned that he’s being zoomed by others.

  112. Mr DeBakey says:

    jm363561: why is Davidson almost always slotted in as a 3D? There seems to be little he does not excel at?

    I’ll take Sample Size for $500, Alex.

  113. DRFNsuperstar says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    rickithebear,

    The thing with Klef is his sample size is really small because he has been hurt so much. Yes, he looks really promising but I fear we have started to get ahead of ourselves a bit.

    Agreed, based on the sample size we can be confident he is a good #4 Dman with an acceptable contract but 107 NHL games on garbage teams does not give enough data to say he is a #1 in the making.

  114. trader says:

    Happy Father’s Day to all the Dads out there!!

  115. DRFNsuperstar says:

    Lowetide: I doubt Calgary makes that trade.

    What if Edmonton also takes Wideman?

  116. Younger Oil says:

    Lowetide: The Oilers already spend way too much on their fourth-line players. Even if he could play third line and there is no room, for me the investment of dollars would be too much.

    That’s fair. I suppose it is easier to draft and develop players in the Martin mould (Khaira, Pitlick, Moroz etc), but having a reputation as one of the best hitters and part of the best 4th line in hockey makes him a more attractive target at $2.5M than Korpse, Hendricks, or Letestu IMO. It just makes it more difficult that they are all under contract for next year.

    I was just thinking he would bring lots of value to the 4th line (and possibly the third) once the Korpse and Hendricks contracts expire. and he is still fairly young (27). But only if the Oilers aren’t spending to the cap with additions on the blue line.

    He would certainly make the Oilers tougher to play against. Wouldn’t want to play against him 7 times a year in our own division.

  117. Pescador says:

    rickithebear,

    BAT SHIT CRAZY!

    Don’t be so hard on yourself Ricki

  118. Lowetide says:

    DRFNsuperstar: What if Edmonton also takes Wideman?

    Hmm. Yeah, Calgary needs a goalie and that would help. I would love a trade like that to be honest, big fan of DH.

  119. Younger Oil says:

    OF17: Wow. That’s a pretty insane rate. Certainly makes me less concerned that he’s being zoomed by others.

    Do we know what Dubois’ EV IPP is for comparison?

    But yes, that is a very good number for Tkachuk. Doesn’t mitigate his extraordinary number of secondary assists IMO, but that IPP is better than Drai’s in his draft year if I recall correctly, which we were all very impressed with.

  120. Richard S.S. says:

    If trading with Calgary, the price can’t be extreme or no deal. Calgary acquires the Oilers’ #4 draft pick and Lauri Korpikoski for Calgary’s # 6 draft pick, #54 draft pick and D Oliver Kylington. This could be a workable deal w/wo tweaking.

  121. Chamucks says:

    Trading Nuge for anyone’s negotiating rights is crazy no matter how you shake it. Just stop.

  122. Bruce McCurdy says:

    LT: small correction on your Mirosoav Svoboda stats. You show 3.25, .924 which means he was peppered with 43 shots per 60 (!) so I looked him up on EP & it’s 3.05, .924 which is still over 40 shots against per 60. Is that one of those leagues that counts Fenwick as shots?

  123. stush18 says:

    Richard S.S.:
    stush18,

    They are not moving out a $5.5 Cap hit to bring back a $6.0 Cap hit.They’d like to take zero money back if possible.Right now Foligno is a 2nd-Line LW or possibly a 3rd-Line LW, or, ideally he could be a 3rd-Line LW capable of easily playing 1st-line or 2nd-Line if needed, so beware of overpaying.The 32nd and something with negligible Cap-hit should be fair.

    They would because they need a centre badly, and they would be moving foligno and savards salary.

  124. GCW_69 says:

    Just was looking at Anaheim on general fanagers expansion tool.

    Man they are going to have to put some good players up for grabs if they don’t make some trades.

    On defence Lindholm, Bieksa, Vatanen, Fowler, Manson, and Despres are all eligible. And they have to protect Bieksa. That likely puts Manson and Despres in the draft, along with Cogliano, Rackell, and Gibson or Andersen.

    They gotta make some trades. I would be calling them every day looking for Lindholm or Manson, at different price points, of course. Manson dropped 9% away from Lindholm last year, so we know who is carrying the pairing.

    On Manson, I would offer yak.

    On Lindholm, I would tease with Tkachuk being a draft exempt option, but I would not be shy about going to Hall if they really wanted a top line LW in return.

  125. Pescador says:

    Woodguy:
    ****SPAM****

    New Because Oilers:

    Oiler RH Dman search #6:Zach Redmond surprises the shit out of me.

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2016/06/oilers-right-shot-dman-search-6-zach.html

    ****END SPAM****

    Great Spam WG!
    I like Redmond’s fancies, lots of other nice things with this player, price point and an apparent ability to play up into the top 4. Especially If the cover is Sekera or Oscar on the 2nd pairing. Acquisition cost is nil, right shot. Nice find.
    I have 2 unrelated questions;
    1. IYO. Do the Oilers talk to Dellow, or does he just collect hush money?
    2. If the Flames came calling looking for fancy pants(stats) guy like yourself, would you work for the enemy?

  126. stush18 says:

    So RH options are clearly getting smaller and smaller.

    Demers is likely signing for a large number with such a small market.

    Is anyone willing to sign yandle? Do we think he’s even willing to come here?

  127. AsiaOil says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    DRFNsuperstar,

    Except Severson isn’t thought of as a #7D anywhere. Where did you get that from? All young D struggle. All NJD has to do is look at Larsson, who was a healthy scratch quite often under DeBoer. Now he is a top pair shut down D who is untouchable for them. I doubt they would be so impatient with Severson unless they got a deal they couldn’t refuse.

    I also just don’t think Musil has much value. Maybe a 5th rounder. Yak + 32nd might get you Severson, though.

    Severson will cost Eberle with maybe a 2nd round pick also coming back (maybe not). A more experienced RHD will cost more. That is the market and Yak isn’t getting you anything except equably damaged good. Be prepared for much pissing and moaning from the the crowd this week.

  128. Radiusofnerdature says:

    As to the comments of this site bogging down computers: I have this issue occasionally on my home computer using Chrome but I get it much worse at work on my field laptop with Explorer(running heavy firewalls). The problem gets worse the longer I leave this page open, acts like a memory leak. Have to reboot sometimes as all applications are affected. I’ve noticed this for a year or longer but it doesn’t always happen.

  129. Woodguy says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Woodguy,

    OK, we mustn’t forget him, but he’s not the first priority for the Oilers when you don’t know what bullets you’ll need.Or should he be?

    Redmond?

    He’s FA and I’d slot him as #7 o 3rd

    shouldn’t effect anything else

  130. OilSafety says:

    Happy Father’s day LT and other father’s here. My second father’s day, my 19 month old daughter could care less 😉 I have a son on the way too coming December. My wife got me a six pack of maple shack cream ale and my favorite chocolate bars (times are a little tight in the oilsafety household) heading to my parents place to make my dad’s favorite bbq salmon, pasta elbows and diced tomatoes.

    The longer I’m a father the more I appreciate the sacrifices my own dad made. I appreciate being a dad and being called to guide a new life more each year. Makes life worth living.

    PS come on oilers make a move already.

  131. DRFNsuperstar says:

    AsiaOil: Severson will cost Eberle with maybe a 2nd round pick also coming back (maybe not). A more experienced RHD will cost more. That is the market and Yak isn’t getting you anything except equably damaged good. Be prepared for much pissing and moaning from the the crowd this week.

    Gelinas, Marincin, Jokipakka, Carrick, Johns.

    Yakupov could have got any of them plus a pick.

  132. Pescador says:

    AsiaOil: Severson will cost Eberle with maybe a 2nd round pick also coming back (maybe not). A more experienced RHD will cost more. That is the market and Yak isn’t getting you anything except equably damaged good. Be prepared for much pissing and moaning from the the crowd this week.

    One thing that I’ve noticed, there will be much pissing & moaning regardless of what happens.

    If that’s what NJ needs in return they can go pound sand. Personally, I believe Yak will return another flawed player. I’m ok with that because I can see that is what he is, pointing out the blame does nothing. I believe I am in the majority.

  133. Rosco says:

    slopitch:
    4+Reinhart for 6 + Hamilton makes sense for both teams.

    Then take the best available dman.

    I dont think Calgary would do that deal… Buffalo would I’m sure.

    Pysyk , #8 and maybe the #69 for Reinhart, #4.

    Is Bogosian that bad? Would he not be a good fit for the second pairing with say Klef? If a deal can be made without involving the #4 or any of the “core” then what would be the harm? Im sure he’s better than some of the other options.

    Sekera (New hire)
    Klef Bogosian
    Davidson Fayne

  134. leadfarmer says:

    Forwards already taking up a good chunk of cap space, check.
    Have young forwards on the roster that will get considerable raises on their next contract, check.
    One of those contracts will cost around 10 mil per, check

    So why the heck are we talking about Stamkos

  135. Centre of attention says:

    AsiaOil: Severson will cost Eberle with maybe a 2nd round pick also coming back (maybe not). A more experienced RHD will cost more. That is the market and Yak isn’t getting you anything except equably damaged good. Be prepared for much pissing and moaning from the the crowd this week.

    Who says Severson costs Eberle?

    I look at Severson and see a pretty unproven player. He has 123 NHL games under his belt, and the offense is a little lacking. He would look great on the third pair, thats for sure. I hesitate to pencil him in any higher.

    I don’t think what I just described is worth a first-line right wing who is a virtual lock for 25 goals while not being a drag on possession. That is what Eberle is. Much more value than a #5 defender. Though I admit Severson still has upside and could make the trade more even by progressing, its not a sure bet.

    New Jersey would definitely have to add.

  136. RandomPoster says:

    frjohnk: I’m a Nurse fan, but Ristolianen is on his way to be an elite number 1.

    Why all the love for Ristolainen? To me he doesn’t look that much better than J Shultz.
    By the way( please don’t kill me) I like J Shultz.

  137. Woodguy says:

    Pescador: Great Spam WG!
    I like Redmond’s fancies, lots of other nice things with this player, price point and an apparent ability to play up into the top 4. Especially If the cover is Sekera or Oscar on the 2nd pairing. Acquisition cost is nil, right shot. Nice find.
    I have 2 unrelated questions;
    1. IYO. Do the Oilers talk to Dellow, or does he just collect hush money?
    2. If the Flames came calling looking for fancy pants(stats) guy like yourself, would you work for the enemy?

    Thanks!

    1) I don’t know what Tyler’s influence is. I know he worked for them this past year.

    2) My Kung Fu is pretty basic (although when Gmoney gets Taylor Haul up and going…look out!)

    I run a business and what it would take to get me to leave that probably isn’t what NHL teams are willing to pay. Maybe.

  138. Bruce McCurdy says:

    AsiaOil: Severson will cost Eberle with maybe a 2nd round pick also coming back (maybe not). A more experienced RHD will cost more. That is the market and Yak isn’t getting you anything except equably damaged good. Be prepared for much pissing and moaning from the the crowd this week.

    How many times have you traded Eberle now? 1,000?

  139. OilClog says:

    Lolol Matty brushing off legitimate names, then wondering if Fowler + is enough for Hall.

    Beautiful piece of comedy to go with what looks like a whirlwind of a game seven, and the battle of the bastards.

    Woooo

    #32 + Korp get you Savard?

    Golig isn’t signed in Arizona, there’s probably about 15 legitimate defenders that would fill the Oilers needs not being talked about by any of the Sky is falling committee, yet being talked about by a GM that’s pinning cash strapped GM’s in a corner.

    I have faith in Chia, being able to sport that stache, regardless the size he’s got balls of steel. I don’t think that means he enters negotiations with anyone on the weak side, he’s the lead foot.

    If Chia lands the defender everyone wants, with Sekera’s no movement clause.

    It’s lose Davidson or Klef, or protect 4 D.

  140. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Between that Matty tweet & this thread, the Oilers can trade all three of their Steve Austins for Cam Fowler, Damon Severson & the negotiating rights to Steven Stamkos.

    Please let there be some real news one day soon.

  141. Jethro Tull says:

    Chamucks:
    Trading Nuge for anyone’s negotiating rights is crazy no matter how you shake it. Just stop.

    What about for Datsyuk? Yak may be able to talk him into staying.

    How about trading Nuge for Tyson Barrie, who’s RFA this year, so we’d just be trading for his RFA rights and somebody else could offer sheet him, like Calgary and Ryan O’Reilly? That’s been mentioned here a few times.

  142. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Between that Matty tweet & this thread, the Oilers can trade all three of their Steve Austins for Cam Fowler, Damon Severson & the negotiating rights to Steven Stamkos.

    Please let there be some real news one day soon.

    Amen

  143. Centre of attention says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Between that Matty tweet & this thread, the Oilers can trade all three of their Steve Austins for Cam Fowler, Damon Severson & the negotiating rights to Steven Stamkos.

    Please let there be some real news one day soon.

    Amen, brother. Amen.

  144. Centre of attention says:

    Woodguy,

    We have the same time stamp on the comment so I won’t complain if you don’t. Haha.

  145. Lowetide says:

    This blog is fans throwing out ideas, Matty’s tweet about Fowler is concerning.

  146. Ryan says:

    Pescador: Great Spam WG!
    I like Redmond’s fancies, lots of other nice things with this player, price point and an apparent ability to play up into the top 4. Especially If the cover is Sekera or Oscar on the 2nd pairing. Acquisition cost is nil, right shot. Nice find.
    I have 2 unrelated questions;
    1. IYO. Do the Oilers talk to Dellow, or does he just collect hush money?
    2. If the Flames came calling looking for fancy pants(stats) guy like yourself, would you work for the enemy?

    Yeah, I think initially the Oilers management hired Dellow so he’d stop writing about their endless ineptitude…

    Dellow sure has a way with words.

    Who can forget the timeless, “Another loser move by a loser organization.”

    Then there was his brief stint working with Eakins.

    After that, no one really knows what Dellow does or if anyone actually listens to him.

    If they don’t, it’s an absolute shame.

  147. Water Fire says:

    frjohnk: Bobs list had Ristolianen at 8th, Nurse was 9th. http://www2.tsn.ca/blogs/bob_mckenzie/?id=426318
    At the time of the 2013 draft, Oilers had 2 young right handed Dmen with a bright future in Petry and Schultz who had just won AHL defenseman of the year and had a decent rookie year in the NHL. At the time Nurse was the safer and probably the pick that more filled a need.

    I’m a Nurse fan, but Ristolianen is on his way to be an elite number 1.

    This is true for Schultz offensively, but I think the knives were out for Petry already as he was traded a season later. It still shows a lack of understanding of the draft. You always draft for skill, not defensive talent which can be bought reasonably all the time. Ristolainen always had the bigger upside.

    It’s partly why Mac is gone now, despite being more sensible then Tambelowe (Tambellini had no freedom), but we are talking a pretty low bar. A bar run over by a semi and driven deep into the mud. Risto made the NHL the following year, Nurse two more years in junior.

    But it doesn’t matter to Oiler fortunes because all lead to Connor. My only concern is simply the point that it was a mistake, and that hopefully the new boss isn’t the same as the old boss.

  148. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide:
    This blog is fans throwing out ideas, Matty’s tweet about Fowler is concerning.

    I think its a known fact that Anaheim would rather move Fowler, but for Hall? Yikes.

  149. Water Fire says:

    Ryan: Yeah, I think initially the Oilers management hired Dellow so he’d stop writing about their endless ineptitude…

    Dellow sure has a way with words.

    Who can forget the timeless, “Another loser move by a loser organization.”

    Then there was his brief stint working with Eakins.

    After that, no one really knows what Dellow does or if anyone actually listens to him.

    If they don’t, it’s an absolute shame.

    I don’t think many analytics guys get ‘much’ ear. Any established GM or coach already has their system and metrics, they all use something. More the bastion of the new and young who have no experience and therefore nothing else to go on.

  150. Chachi says:

    Lowetide:
    This blog is fans throwing out ideas, Matty’s tweet about Fowler is concerning.

    I don’t think Matheson is plugged in at all anymore. Not even a little. Spector seems to get scoops from other teams trying to make deals with the Oilers and the Oilers themselves seem to leak stuff to Stauffer right before it happens, but everyone else seems to know as much as the average fan.

  151. leadfarmer says:

    Chia is so good at keeping his cards close to his chest that any rumor is effectively an Eklund caliber rumor. He likes to wheel and deal so I expect multiple trades but for who we have no idea.

  152. Water Fire says:

    RandomPoster: Why all the love for Ristolainen? To me he doesn’t look that much better than J Shultz.By the way( please don’t kill me) I like J Shultz.

    Good point, but he’s four years younger and by most draft rankings was a top 10 in the world by age player, great in international play, made the NHL (yes a bad team) straight out.

    He’s as good as Schultz now, has a chance to be a lot better. But he may stay where he is and then yes he’s not much different, other than way heavier.

  153. smellyglove says:

    RNH cannot be traded unless, unless a top-6 two-way centre (on a <3 year) deal is somehow coming back in the same deal, or another. Preferably with a massive upgrade to (RH)D.

    Draisaitl and McDavid down the middle without a two-way vet who can play in the top 6 is a recipe for disaster.

    Has anyone proposed a Draisaitl + (Yak?/2nd) to Anaheim to Lindholm deal yet?

  154. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Can someone please tell me to what Matty tweet people are referring?

  155. digger50 says:

    Fathers Day update! Made it to 2:45 and then the smiles all came out. Home made cards, rocks with Googly eyes glued to a board. Kids stories of daddy watching playoffs and eating doughnuts, finger painted stick men crafts……. A little patience and everything comes round. See how I got an Oilers reference in there? Lol.

  156. Water Fire says:

    Woodguy:
    ****SPAM****

    New Because Oilers:

    Oiler RH Dman search #6:Zach Redmond surprises the shit out of me.

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2016/06/oilers-right-shot-dman-search-6-zach.html

    ****END SPAM****

    At least you know you get enough fibre. At home I mean , I’m sure you get enough at work.

  157. Centre of attention says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Can someone please tell me to what Matty tweet people are referring?

    Jim Matheson ‏@NHLbyMatty 2h2 hours ago
    Ducks are looking for high-end LW. If Ducks want Taylor Hall, would the Oilers take Cam Fowler at $4 million and something else?

    I mean, if by something else he means “Hampus Lindholm” I’m all for it.

    If by something else he means Nick Ritchie and a conditional 2017 first rounder, I will have to break stuff and drink heavily.

  158. OF17 says:

    In a way, it’s a shame Toronto has so many picks. I’d love to trade our 2nd for Bozak and run Maroon-McDavid-Eberle, Hall-Nuge-Draisaitl, and Pouliot-Bozak-Kassian, but with how many picks Toronto has this year, I’m not sure how appealing that will be to them.

    On the Pysyk question, think Buffalo would bite on Yakupov for Pysyk + 2nd? Pysyk seems like a RH Davidson, which would be a great add, and it doesn’t take much to see Buffalo clearing room with Ristolainen, Bogosian, and Franson on the roster. At the same time, they have a whole lot of nothing at RW, and trading for Yak seems to fit the O’Reilly pattern of looking for undervalued assets on other teams to speed up the rebuild.

    If we run Klefbom-Demers, Sekera-Fayne, Davidson-Pysyk, is that enough? Is it enough offense from the D?

  159. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer:
    Chia is so good at keeping his cards close to his chest that any rumor is effectively an Eklund caliber rumor.He likes to wheel and deal so I expect multiple trades but for who we have no idea.

    Ryan Nugent Hopkins and the 4 ov to the Carolina Huuicanes for Justin Faulk and 13. R2

    Taylor Hall for Hampus Linholm. R3

    RNH + Nurse + 4 ov + Fayne for Subban. R1

  160. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Centre of attention: Jim Matheson ‏@NHLbyMatty2h2 hours ago
    Ducks are looking for high-end LW. If Ducks want Taylor Hall, would the Oilers take Cam Fowler at $4 million and something else?

    I mean, if by something else he means “Hampus Lindholm” I’m all for it.

    If by something else he means Nick Ritchie and a conditional 2017 first rounder, I will have to break stuff and drink heavily.

    Thank you. If that’s the wording I wouldn’t lose sleep over it. Matty has been making speculative comments that are way off base for quite some time. If he said he is hearing something or whatever then I would be worried.

    I am still waiting for Drew Stafford to arrive here.

    I don’t think Chia would talk to Matty, either. If Spector says something…maybe.

  161. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    This blog is fans throwing out ideas, Matty’s tweet about Fowler is concerning.

    Matty hasn’t had the goods for a long time.

    He’s throwing it against the wall like the rest of us.

  162. gogliano says:

    Rondo:
    Interesting read

    SEAL-Adjusted Scoring and why it matters for prospects

    https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/06/15/seal-adjusted-scoring-and-why-it-matters-for-prospects/

    Interesting stuff. Seems like there isn’t a lot of separation between the top three in the CHL: Dubois, Tkachuk, and DeBrincat.

    I’ve warmed up to Tkachuk a bit (still would take Dubois at four, but I’m not convinced the gap is large between the two at this point) but if we’re trading the #4 with a drop back I do wonder if DeBrincat isn’t the steal in this year’s draft. He’s small but he can skate. Not good enough for #4 and off the board at #32, but he could be value wherever he lands.

  163. OF17 says:

    digger50:
    Fathers Day update! Made it to 2:45 and then the smiles all came out. Home made cards, rocks with Googly eyes glued to a board. Kids stories of daddy watching playoffs and eating doughnuts, finger painted stick mencrafts……. A little patience and everything comes round. See how I got an Oilers reference in there?Lol.

    Haha whatever the Oilers reference was, it certainly wasn’t the playoffs!

    I’m 4 years into a relationship right now and hope to make her my finacee in the coming months (we’ve talked about it and she’s on board too, so thankfully I don’t have to worry), and reading these Father’s Day posts makes me excited to start a family with her. Kids are probably 2-3 years out, both of us are finishing our studies right now, but it’s close enough that the thought of painted rock presents and homemade cards makes me smile more than a little bit.

  164. Water Fire says:

    Woodguy: Matty hasn’t had the goods for a long time.

    He’s throwing it against the wall like the rest of us.

    Read your blog, nice as always. I think you have found the next Ben Lovejoy, imperfect and unsung, but making a big contribution in ways that matter a lot, especially in the playoffs, at low cap hit.

    I’d be fine with him at 3RD and McLellan running decent time for the 3rd pair to keep everyone fresh and get the at bats in, able to move up. The reg season is only about making the playoffs and being ready for them.

    And I agree about those who smile, but qualify it with looking ‘happy’ as opposed to ‘manic’.

  165. Mr DeBakey says:

    Lowetide: This blog is fans throwing out ideas, Matty’s tweet about Fowler is concerning.

    This blog is fans throwing out ideas, Matty’s tweet about Fowler is a writer throwing out ideas.

    Ducks are looking for high-end LW. If Ducks want Taylor Hall, would the Oilers take Cam Fowler at $4 million and something else?

    So we’re talking about Fowler, Vatanan & the 24th, and the 2017 1st?
    Shirley Bassey says history repeats itself.

  166. Centre of attention says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I’m not concerned with that trade having any truth to it, I’m more concerned about the reputation of Edmonton and it’s fans/media. We are already quite the laughing stock, ridiculous proposals are making it worse.

    Already third party content aggregates are taking his tweets (and others) out of context and farming clicks by posting them as fact. Then I have to listen to idiots on social media tell me how stupid my team is based on ridiculously framed twice-quoted garbage from the internet.

    F*ck em’ all though.

  167. Mr DeBakey says:

    gogliano: Interesting stuff. Seems like there isn’t a lot of separation between the top three in the CHL: Dubois, Tkachuk, and DeBrincat.

    Looking at that list, whomever drafts Riley Tufte in the last third of the 1st Round is likely to be very disappointed.

  168. NF Oiler says:

    Reinhart for Pysk? Both teams get the righty/lefty they need..One goes back home, the other plays with his brother and keeps brother sam happy in Buffalo ..a win for both teams

  169. Centre of attention says:

    NF Oiler:
    Reinhart for Pysk? Both teams get the righty/lefty they need..One goes back home, the other plays with his brother and keeps brother sam happy in Buffalo ..a win for both teams

    I think there is something there.

    Maybe an exchange of second rounders as well as some other prospects moving around?

    Would anyone here take Girgensons as a 3C? (Lefty, I know)

  170. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Re: Stamkos

    If he re-signs in Tampa, the Lightnin’ need to drop salary.

    Strålman for2017 1st and whatever [Unless it happens before this year’s draft, of course].

    CHI just traded Teravainen so they could dump Bickell.

    Would EDM take a big TB contract if it meant DeAngelo coming to EDM as well? So many damn NTCs in TB, Yzerman is going to have one hell of a time it seems before the expansion. 4 D with NTCs, and then Hedman’s next contract.

    Why did they re-sign Coburn? Even if they say buy out Carle, they’ll have 3 other NTCs plus Hedman. If Stamkos is back they protect him, Callahan(NMC), Filpulla(NMC), and one of Johnson/Palat/Kucherov/Drouin? And lose one of Bishop/Vasilevskiy?

    Brutal, EDM should get on that and squeeze out even a Killorn/Namestnikov if not Stralman

  171. Lowetide says:

    NF Oiler:
    Reinhart for Pysk? Both teams get the righty/lefty they need..One goes back home, the other plays with his brother and keeps brother sam happy in Buffalo ..a win for both teams

    I think that makes a lot of sense.

  172. Centre of attention says:

    Man, Stralman would be one hell of a cap-crunch robbery. I would definitely part with 2017 first rounder. IDK which of our prospects would interest them but its interesting to think about for sure.

  173. kinger_OIL says:

    – Happy Father’s Day Allan, and all the Lowetides, which are part of my only online “family”!

  174. Lowetide says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – Happy Father’s Day Allan, and all the Lowetides, which are part of my only online “family”!

    You too. I think anyone who posts here has played the Dad role as recently as today!!! 🙂

  175. godot10 says:

    OF17: Wow. That’s a pretty insane rate. Certainly makes me less concerned that he’s being zoomed by others.

    Old news. Tkachuk gets a lot of 2nd assists. Not so many goals or primary assists like Dubois. Tell us something that we don’t already no instead of trying to pump up a guy because of secondary assists.

  176. GCW_69 says:

    Centre of attention: Who says Severson costs Eberle?

    I look at Severson and see a pretty unproven player. He has 123 NHL games under his belt, and the offense is a little lacking. He would look great on the third pair, thats for sure. I hesitate to pencil him in any higher.

    I don’t think what I just described is worth a first-line right wing who is a virtual lock for 25 goals while not being a drag on possession. That is what Eberle is. Much more value than a #5 defender. Though I admit Severson still has upside and could make the trade more even by progressing, its not a sure bet.

    New Jersey would definitely have to add.

    He played second pair last season in Jersey, spent half his minutes dragging around Moore and still got respectable numbers. If the Oilers have to overpay for a 1RD then Severson is a fairly low risk move at 2RD. This isn’t a Fayne situation. Severson had been driving the bus on his pairings except for the time he got with Greene as a rookie.

    I don’t think Severson costs you Eberle, or even close to it. The Devils clearly don’t understand what they have with Severson. He is their Petry, and look what we sold him for. Yak plus a top up should do it.

    I couple of times I have posted links to articles showing there appears to be a rift between Hynes and Severson, so I won’t post them again. The other indication Jersey didn’t get Severson is they sent him down for the AHL playoffs. Team don’t generally send established players to the minors for the playoffs but Jersey did.

  177. square_wheels says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Agree. Chia needs use his cap space and the impending Expansion draft rules to exploit teams. Until we see the official NHL playbook on expansion it’s too early to bank on it being a play this summer though.

    Strongly suspect there will be teams setting themselves up for the expansion, something like JT Miller and Nash-hole and then expose a well known talent in Nash to Vegas with his final season pre-UFA.

    Man, the more I look at the Rags……..that team is capital F fucked. 58 & 52M committed to only 4 F, 4 D and 2 G’s for the next 2 seasons……..Sather no longer the dementor for good reason.

  178. admiralmark says:

    Does anyone honestly believe any GM would trade Taylor Hall for Cam Fowler? That would be Mike Milbury level Gm’ing.

  179. Woodguy says:

    Water Fire: I don’t think many analytics guys get ‘much’ ear. Any established GM or coach already has their system and metrics, they all use something. More the bastion of the new and young who have no experience and therefore nothing else to go on.

    It really depends on the team.

    Also, Dubas in Asst. GM in TOR, Chayka GM in ARI are fancy stat guys themselves.

    FLA just commited more to it as well.

    Vic Ferarri in WSH

    Eric Tulsky in CAR

    Tyler in EDM

    Sunny Mehta in NJD

    and lots of others hired over the last 2 years.

    They’re not all being ignored, I know that for sure.

  180. Woodguy says:

    Water Fire: Read your blog, nice as always. I think you have found the next Ben Lovejoy, imperfect and unsung, but making a big contribution in ways that matter a lot, especially in the playoffs, at low cap hit.

    I’d be fine with him at 3RD and McLellan running decent time for the 3rd pair to keep everyone fresh and get the at bats in, able to move up. The reg season is only about making the playoffs and being ready for them.

    And I agree about those who smile, but qualify it with looking ‘happy’ as opposed to ‘manic’.

    Thanks WF

  181. voxwah says:

    Dave Feschuk ‏@dfeschuk 22m22 minutes ago

    Breaking: Ron MacLean to replace Strombo as Hockey Night in Canada host, sources tell Star. http://on.thestar.com/1V9bWbX

    I really like that news. That Ron McLean guy is moving up in the hockey world

  182. fifthcartel says:

    Woodguy,

    I was just listening to The 6th Sens podcast which had Elliotte Friedman on it, and Elliotte mentioned how some analytics guys have told him they feel like they have no influence/input after they’ve been hired.

  183. meanashell11 says:

    voxwah:
    Dave Feschuk ‏@dfeschuk 22m22 minutes ago

    Breaking: Ron MacLean to replace Strombo as Hockey Night in Canada host, sources tell Star. http://on.thestar.com/1V9bWbX

    I really like that news. That Ron McLean guy is moving up in the hockey world

    It is about bloody time. Strombo is an idiot….. a joke… that he represented our national sport every weekend is embarrassing. Now if we can only get rid of Kypreos.

  184. Woodguy says:

    fifthcartel:
    Woodguy,

    I was just listening to The 6th Sens podcast which had Elliotte Friedman on it, and Elliotte mentioned how some analytics guys have told him they feel like they have no influence/input after they’ve been hired.

    I bet that the truth in many spots.

    I know its not true in all spots.

  185. Woodguy says:

    voxwah:
    Dave Feschuk ‏@dfeschuk 22m22 minutes ago

    Breaking: Ron MacLean to replace Strombo as Hockey Night in Canada host, sources tell Star. http://on.thestar.com/1V9bWbX

    I really like that news. That Ron McLean guy is moving up in the hockey world

    Good start.

    Now they need to get rid of Kypreos, Healy, and Stock.

    Mclean’s ok to have around for fun and stories.

  186. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Centre of attention:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I’m not concerned with that trade having any truth to it, I’m more concerned about the reputation of Edmonton and it’s fans/media. We are already quite the laughing stock, ridiculous proposals are making it worse.

    Already third party content aggregates are taking his tweets (and others) out of context and farming clicks by posting them as fact. Then I have to listen to idiots on social media tell me how stupid my team is based on ridiculously framed twice-quoted garbage from the internet.

    F*ck em’ all though.

    You nailed it. Honestly, who cares what they think. I think that’s why I stay off Twitter most of the time and HFBoards. Even over on my travel site I just posted a free, 70-restaurant Tokyo guide of a whole range of places that I’ve been going to for years and years and years and know well. I tried to hit a mix of places that would appeal to first-timers as well as folks living n Tokyo. Actually, all my content is free and ad-free and I do it to try to be helpful to people and share stories.

    A friend of mine posted the link on reddit and I got nothing but hate mail pour in from people. “Anybody that has a pic of a Porsche on a banner must be a douche” or “He calls himself Backpacker, but I only see 6 restaurants below $25 a head” or ” This list is weak because there aren’t enough noodle joints.”

    I mean, if I listened to all that, where would I be? It stings and does hurt because people don’t know me, and I don’t get paid anything to give my honest, best recommendations. If you don’t like it, fine, tell me why, but don’t call me names behind my back. But, you know, if I really listened to it all, I wouldn’t get anywhere.

    In 1991 we moved from Tokyo to Edmonton. I went out for hockey tryouts with S.W.A.T. I had never skated before, ever. So I pushed around a chair the whole time. Of course I got put in, like tier 9 zillion. Went my whole first year without scoring a goal. But I skated every day at the outdoor rink in Riverbend and took lessons at CanSkate as well. The next year in tryouts, I moved all the way up to Tier 5 and I was a halfway decent right wing and had a couple of hat tricks in year 2. I was still a weak skater, but I had what they call “hockey IQ” I guess. Good anticipation of where the puck was going to go, not where it was. I wasn’t blessed with size or any of that so I was never going to go far, but it was fun. But there are few things in life that could be more humiliating than having to push around a chair to do skating drills at league-wide hockey tryouts in a hockey mad city.

    When I moved to Vancouver, I was good enough to rep the high school on the varsity team, though, so it all depends where you go.

    I’ve had many experiences like that in life: surfing in Australia where I wanted to learn to do it properly at age 33. Baseball, etc.

    Now my latest thing is in my mid-30s to dump my career that I worked so hard to build to go be a zero income photographer because damn it, I love seeing the world and capturing its everyday, beautiful moments. I certainly never made enough money to retire or anything, and I now drive an old, beat-up Nissan XTerra with 110,000 miles on it. But hey, she can handle off-road stuff and get me to places I need to get to, and I can climb the roof to get elevation for my photographs when I need it. I am happier than I have ever been, even as it’s the toughest damn road I’ve chosen yet.

    All along the way if I listened to critics or naysayers or negative ninnies I wouldn’t have made it here. I mean, I listen, it does hurt sometimes, but in the end I put my head down and keep going.

    I guess in a way, that’s like us as Oiler fans. We work hard, tend to be blue collar or self-made, care about our families and our fellow brethren, and we are more knowledgeable than almost any other fan base out there. We have suffered a lot in the past 10 years, and especially for the younger kids who haven’t gotten to be around winning teams, it must be doubly hard, but we stick together, whenever the media or other fans or others want to come and take a dump on our lawn. As they say, “haters gonna hate.”

    One day this will all be better, and LT will have posted his balance picture, the new barn will be full and electric before a playoff game, and we will all be excited and behind the boys blue and copper again. And WHEN that happens, I hope that we approach winning with the same, unified intelligence and stoicism that we show during these dark years, and not rub it in those haters’ faces. Instead, we will shine together as the best hockey fans in the whole damn world.

    I guess this is the time when I step off the soap box. I am too old to pull of the mic drop.

  187. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    meanashell11: It is about bloody time. Strombo is an idiot….. a joke… that he represented our national sport every weekend is embarrassing. Now if we can only get rid of Kypreos.

    I think Strombo was miscast; I don’t think he is an idiot or a joke, just wasn’t right for the role. Healy on the other hand…now there’s an idiot.

  188. square_wheels says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Strombo’s original The Hour and even the shortened 30min version were top shelf. As a punk music lover, he’s the goods.

    I suspect he wanted out, his podcast/live music thing on Sunday nights is massive and its his true love.

    Besides, he’s too bright for the “Shove the nationalism and nostalgia directly up your ass” that HNIC has become.

  189. YKOil says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    And to SQUARE_WHEELS

    I have a lot of time for Strombo. He may not be the best guy for HNIC but he is a legit talent and a smart guy.

  190. Mike Dadbabclock says:

    YKOil:

    Say Dumba gets Klef money on a 6 year, so ~ $4.2 (which is a big bet); so now the Oilers are in for $6.5 + 4.2 – 2.5 – 0.95 = $7.25 million on what is basically a cash buy for a RHD.

    I don’t think you need to give him that kind of money/term when he doesn’t have arb rights, and Klefbom isn’t a great comparable. Sure, they are close when it comes to points per 60, but Dumba can’t defend as well.

    I would definitely consider the offer sheet route. My guess is that Minny is trying to get him done on a bridge deal for less than the high end of the 2nd round pick compensation range (2.5-3 mil x 2? They did something similar with Spurgeon). If the Oilers signed him to an offer sheet somewhere between 3.25 mil and 3.75 mil the Wild might have to take the compensation given their cap situation.

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