DRAFT POST NO. 9: MANIC MONDAY

I will tell you there is a growing sense across Oilersnation that the deal may not be there this week. We could see a major overhaul, or we might see smaller, subtle moves. A lot of this week depends on Edmonton finding a dance partner and that is not a certainty. I count the NY Islanders, Philadelphia Flyers and Anaheim Ducks among possible partners.

  • Darren Dreger, TSN1050: “We know what the Edmonton Oilers are trying to do. They’re trying to rebuild their blueline. Well, what are you going to move to make that happen. 4th pick overall we know to be in play. So what about Taylor Hall. Lots of rumblings around the National Hockey League. ‘Maybe this is the time the Oilers change the culture of their club and Hall really is a target that they’d consider moving.’ Source

I would suggest to you that these are the kinds of things we hear leading up to the draft, and there is no need for panic. It takes two to tango, and there is no evidence the player who would be needed to satisfy the ask is available. I think this comes down to whether or not you trust Peter Chiarelli to make a trade that sewers his future. I trust he will not do it, your mileage may vary.

A year ago, Peter Chiarelli needed defense and goaltending, this season just the blue. As we set ourselves for a very busy week, let’s look at the work to be done and the updated assets list.

CURRENT PROJECTED ROSTER, CAP ROOM

oilers current roster and cap

THE NEEDS LIST

  1. Top-pairing RHD (Two-way skills)
  2. Second-pairing RHD (Offensive defenseman)
  3. Acquire RHC with some skill
  4. Backup goalie (Chad Johnson)

SECONDARY LIST

  1. Add a “Pisani” who can mentor, score 15, and play a two-way role up and down the lineup.
  2. Re-stock the shelves via the draft.
  3. Improve overall team speed.
  4. Offload Lauri Korpikoski.
  5. Improve goaltending depth (added Nick Ellis, but more is needed—likely draft).
  6. Improve AHL quality (Caggiula, Russell, Ellis, but more is needed).
  7. Cull the LHD herd.
  8. Rob the Bruins of something.

CHIARELLI TRADE LIST

  1. Cap space
  2. Nail Yakupov
  3. No. 4 overall selection
  4. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  5. Taylor Hall
  6. Jordan Eberle
  7. Benoit Pouliot
  8. Mark Fayne
  9. Griffin Reinhart
  10. 2017 1st round selection

That cap space may not come in handy until just before the season, ala Leddy-Boychuk and the Islanders a couple of years ago. Important for the Oilers to use that cap room wisely. The most likely trade this week? Nail Yakupov.

DRAFT PICKS

  • No. 4 overall (1st)—Matt Tkachuk appears to be a lock
  • No. 32 overall (2nd)—Oilers need to stick the second rounder.
  • No. 63 overall
  • No. 84 overall
  • No. 91 overall
  • No. 123 overall
  • No. 149 overall
  • No. 153 overall
  • No. 183 overall

With their last six second-round picks, Edmonton has chosen Tyler Pitlick (27 NHL games), Martin Marincin (150), Curtis Hamilton (1), David Musil (4), Mitch Moroz (0) and Marco Roy (0). The one second-round hit during this period was traded for a fourth-round selection. Bob Green will get his first chance to make an impression with this year’s second-round pick—hope he chooses someone who can skate and has a two-way resume. Candidates include Tyler Benson, Nathan Bastian, Kale Clague and Tyler Parsons.

SIX O’CLOCK ALREADY

  • Bruce Garrioch: Ideally, the Flames would like to get into the top three or four and the Columbus Blue Jackets, Vancouver Canucks and Edmonton Oilers are listening to all offers because it never hurts to see what other teams are offering. But that’s where this becomes muddy because nobody is sure what Calgary is willing to give up. Source

Calgary has No. 6, No. 35, No. 54, No. 56 and No. 66, so may attempt to trade up that way. I don’t think No. 6 and No. 35 would be enough for Edmonton, do you? I think a deal around Dougie Hamilton would work very well, but why would Calgary do that? No match I can see. One area above Edmonton could use? Cap space.

 

  • More Garrioch: The Boston Bruins are trying to add another blueliner and the word is they’re spoken to St. Louis about blueliner Kevin Shattenkirk. The belief is the Blues don’t want him in the West and the Bruins might be a good fit for a deal. The issue is they’re not the only ones looking for help on defence with Buffalo GM Tim Murray being aggressive in his pursuit of a blueliner along with Edmonton Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli. Source

This isn’t the first time Kevin Shattenkirk has been in the same paragraph as Peter Chiarelli lately. It isn’t a deal that makes sense—Shattenkirk is a year from free agency—but the Oilers dealt for Cam Talbot a year ago in a similar situation. Risky, but also thinking outside the box.

I WAS JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF A DREAM

  • Ed Wills, Vancouver Sun: The wild card here is Colorado, another team that needs blue-line help. Last week Avs GM Joe Sakic said Tyson Barrie isn’t going anywhere and expressed commitment to the team’s underachieving core. But the Avs also want to sign Nathan MacKinnon to a long-term deal and that might put Matt Duchene in play. Source

You will notice I have placed Tyson Barrie back on the list of possible acquisitions. I suspect it would need to be a three-way deal, with Edmonton possibly offering Nuge, No. 4 overall, cap space or a substantial LHD (not all of these things, obviously). A lot depends on Colorado—if they trade Matt DuChene, RNH may come into play.

 

  • Jim Matheson, Edmonton Journal: In a swap of 4 and 8, right-winger Tyler Ennis (three more years at $4.6 million), centre Zemgus Girgensons (restricted free-agent) and ex Oil Kings’ captain/D, right-shooter Mark Pysyk, could be in play. Source

Good point here by Matty, I wrote about Pysyk this weekend and the other two men are players of interest as well. Girgensons has always been an intriguing player for me, but defense is the key need so one hopes the defender is part of a deal.

 THE RHD LIST (what is left)

  1. PK Subban, Montreal Canadiens. If available, shoot the moon.
  2. Travis Hamonic, NY Islanders. Perfect fit, if available.
  3. Kevin Shattenkirk, St. Louis Blues. Problematic solution.
  4. Jason Demers, Dallas Stars. Wilford Brimley: The right thing to do.
  5. Tyson Barrie, Colorado Avalanche. Fabulous option, sounds unavailable.
  6. Radko Gudas, Philadelphia Flyers. Strong, effective defender.
  7. Matt Dumba, Minnesota Wild. Electric skill, fast train, chaos, 21.
  8. David Savard, Columbus Blue Jackets. Range of skills.
  9. Damon Severson, New Jersey Devils. A nice underlying option.
  10. Mark Pysyk, Buffalo Sabres. The numbers imply there is a player here.
  11. Ryan Pulock, New York Islanders. Big shot from the point has high value. Very young.
  12. Ryan Murphy, Carolina Hurricanes. Some chaos, but good speed and puck-moving ability.
  13. Brandon Montour, Anaheim Ducks. This could be a special player.
  14. Cody Franson, Buffalo Sabres. That hammer from the point would come in handy and he fits a real need.
  15. Jordan Schmaultz, St. Louis Blues. Puck-moving prospect.
  16. Anthony DeAngelo, Tampa Bay Lightning. Another player with a puck-moving element to his game.
  17. Colin Miller, Boston Bruins. With the other Miller signing, maybe he is available.
  18. Eric Gryba, Edmonton Oilers. I think management likes him.
  19. Ville Pokka, Chicago Blackhawks. Young defender in the Chicago system.
  20. Ryan Sproul, Detroit Red Wings. Puck-moving defender in the AHL.
  21. Dennis Wideman, Calgary Flames. A year removed from a fantastic offensive season.
  22. Dan Boyle, New York Rangers. Retiring, but he is the player they are looking for—early, not late in his career.

DISTANT BELLS

  • James Mirtle, Globe & Mail: No team is talking more than the New York Rangers. Anxious to become competitive again right away after an embarrassing early exit from the playoffs, GM Jeff Gorton is looking at major changes. Source

The Rangers are not a perfect match for Edmonton (like Anaheim or the NY Islanders, Philadelphia Flyers) but if they ever made Ryan McDonagh available that would be something to pursue. I know he is a lefty, but Edmonton could acquire him and then move one of their own LHD for a righty solution.

 

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  1. v4ance says:

    Replacing Strombo with MacLean is the oft used parable of “rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic”. The idea was to bring in a new host and a new way of doing things in an attempt to bring in younger more “hip” viewers. The problem isn’t the host, though Maclean will a give a small bump in ratings due to his past history. The problem is the other preseneters on the HNIC panel.

    Really, just compare the HNIC analysts to other sports. In basketball and football, they tend to have former stars and coaches like Steve Kerr, Mark Jackson, Shaq, Barkley, Ditka, Steve Young, Theismann, Simms, Collinsworth, etc. on their panels mixed in with the hardcore reporters. The HNIC panels mostly consist of trash talking former 3rd liners and backup goalies who have been reluctant or resistant to the newer ways of looking at the sport through the lens of the newer analytics. Quite simply, they have neither the expertise to explain hockey systems at a higher level, nor the personality to entertain unless you consider airing of incorrect opinions repeatedly as entertainment.

    Browsing digital media via message boards, blogs, twitter, etc. where hockey is consumed by the younger viewers that HNIC was/is attempting to court, there is a thorough dislike/dismissal of the HNIC “personalities”. Other than Elliotte Friedman, no one has any respect for anything that the rest of the panel has to contribute. In this “Emperor has no clothes” scenario, viewers have listened and found them to be talking out their asses pumping up the Dave Bollands, David Clarksons etc. and being overly critical of the truly skilled players like Crosby, Hall, Subban, etc. for failings, imagined or otherwise.

  2. Lowetide says:

    On the Lowdown this morning, TSN1260 at 10.

    Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey
    Tom Lynn, Veritas Hockey
    Scott Burnside ESPN
    Andrew Bucholtz, 55-Yard Line

  3. v4ance says:

    Also from that Mirtle artice:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/trade-rumours-fly-as-the-busiest-stretch-of-the-nhl-off-season-begins/article30517289/

    “Teams still believe, meanwhile, that the Jacob Trouba saga in Winnipeg isn’t over, despite pledges from the Jets to re-sign him. The Capitals also have a tough call to make with Dmitry Orlov, who is outside their top four and a prime candidate to be lost in the expansion draft.”

    Opinions on Orlov?

  4. Diesel says:

    Yak’s Instagram post from about an hour ago has him relaxing with friends, not far from Nizhnekamsk, wearing his Edmonton Eskimos jersey.

    How can anyone not love this guy, warts be damned.

  5. Quinlan says:

    Dreger always seems to loop back to throwing crap against a wall with the Oil, often involving Hall.

    Lowetide: I would suggest to you that these are the kinds of things we hear leading up to the draft, and there is no need for panic. It takes two to tango, and there is no evidence the player who would be needed to satisfy the ask is available. I think this comes down to whether or not you trust Peter Chiarelli to make a trade that sewers his future. I trust he will not do it, your mileage may vary.

    ^^^ This, I agree, is the way to react. It does get old though, when Eastern media types continue this stuff. Sure, they frame it as speculation but they’re insiders, not analysts. I don’t value their speculative opinions.

  6. theDjdj says:

    Diesel:
    Yak’s Instagram post from about an hour ago has him relaxing with friends, not far from Nizhnekamsk, wearing his Edmonton Eskimos jersey.

    How can anyone not love this guy, warts be damned.

    I don’t think there’s been a player who’s tried to love the city more than Yakupov.

  7. HiddenDarts says:

    I hate to quote the man right on his blog, but much like the Oilers, the draft is nearly always “hoped for the best, but it turned out the same”. It’s ironic that in the age of information where literally everyone has access to rosters, cap space, contract details and the latest trade within 2 seconds of its announcement, there are zero trades.

    Believe me, I, too, hope that there are crazy trades. But all we have to do is look at the last 6-7 years. A lot of crickets, sadly.

    Still, the conversation here has been pretty lively lately, and I thank all for that! Shame that the talk will probably be fifty times better than the action.

    v4ance,

    In complete agreement when it comes to HNIC. While I truly, seriously, have NEVER liked Strombo, even to the point of switching the channel back in the Much days, he isn’t the real issue.

    The real issue are the Sportsnet people. And they were bad a few years ago. They remain extraordinarily bad. Can’t see that changing without significantly new blood.

    To be fair, as a Canadian living in California, I see a lot of US broadcasts, and I can tell you that they aren’t even close to interesting either.

    With each passing year I’m saddened for the loss of the TSN panel (well, I can’t watch them, usually. They tend to blackout the states). Definitely the gold standard, IMO.

  8. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    LT,

    Can you explain the Wilford Brimley reference?

    When I think of Wilford Brimley I think of the classic SNL Sketch with John Goodman.

    Now, I’m gonna go get off my horse by getting onto a smaller horse, and then onto a large dog, until I’m near enough to the ground to roll off.

    You take care now.

  9. Pouzar says:

    Not sure of the relevance of this but this is a list of the last 10 #4 Overall picks.
    I think we are in an ok spot.

    Benoit Pouliot
    Nicklas Backstrom
    Thomas Hickey
    Alex Pietrangelo
    Evander Kane
    Ryan Johansen
    Adam Larsson
    Griffin Reinhart
    Seth Jones
    Sam Bennett
    Mitch Marner

  10. John Chambers says:

    Quinlan,

    Chiarelli has been GM’ing long enough to know when he’s able to a) exploit another’s desperation, b) make an even trade with a savvy GM, c) overpay based on his own desperation.

    I imagine other GM’s, especially Bob Murray, have been trying to exploit Chiarelli but when the Oilers go on the clock on Friday we see him make his preferred deal.

    In Chia we trust.

  11. PigeonCamera says:

    Regarding Taylor Hall being moved…

    What has actually changed since the season ended, where the rhetoric all pointed to Hall being untouchable? And again, what happened after the Worlds? Not much. Yes, the scarcity of the RHD is putting the screws to us, as we’re left watching, waiting, and twisting in the wind; but that doesn’t change the fact that Hall is demonstrably an ace on the wing, and a value contract to boot. I just can’t see them moving him.

    One other thought: I’m a very big fan of Jim Matheson. I grew up reading him, and there was a time that I do not doubt that he had strong sources on the inside. He might have even had a little bit of a resurgence when MacT took over. But I don’t think he is doing much more than guessing these days.

    My question is this: In regards to his batshit tweet about Taylor Hall and Vatanen…is Matheson confusing famous names with good hockey players? For further evidence, just look at his comments regarding Cam Ward. And if this is the case…should he still be considered a source? It actually seems like Chiarelli whispers east, not locally. (Apart from Stauffer.)

  12. Ducey says:

    theDjdj: I don’t think there’s been a player who’s tried to love the city more than Yakupov.

    Uh, nothing against Yak, but how about Ryan Smyth or Andrew Ference, or any of the guys that live here in the offseason?

  13. PigeonCamera says:

    v4ance:
    Replacing Strombo with MacLean is the oft used parable of “rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic”. The idea was to bring in a new host and a new way of doing things in an attempt to bring in younger more “hip” viewers.The problem isn’t the host, though Maclean will a give a small bump in ratings due to his past history.The problem is the other preseneters on the HNIC panel.
    snip

    It’s so strange to yearn for the days of the Hotstove, when guys like Al Strachan were the villains, but there was actual hockey knowledge and talent around. PJ Stock et al…the talent is gone. With the notable exception of Friedman, of course. I have no opinion of Strombo, as I *rarely* watch anymore…action ends, flip the station.

  14. Skeeziks says:

    I am very pleased to see item #3 on your secondary list _ improve team speed. It is such an important ingredient in the fore check game, defensively and, of course, offensively.

    I believe it is particularly important when considering wingers to play with McDavid. His speed is such an integral part of his skill set that it would be folly to burden him with wingers who do not have elite level speed and good hands.

    I eagerly await the results of the next few weeks. The Oilers have a real chance to upgrade substantially even if they don’t have success ‘whale hunting’.

  15. Pouzar says:

    *sarcastic cheer*

    James Mirtle (@mirtle) | Twitter

    1 hour ago – View on Twitter

    Hearing there will likely be at least one trade today. Some of the latest NHL rumours:

  16. theDjdj says:

    Ducey: Uh, nothing against Yak, but how about Ryan Smyth or Andrew Ference, or any of the guys that live here in the offseason?

    They’re both originally from here though (or close enough). Yakupov moved his entire family to live with him in Edmonton. I don’t know, for Tatar prodigy from Russia he seemed to really want to embrace Edmonton. Happy to be proven wrong, that’s just my feeling.

  17. Woodguy says:

    v4ance:
    Replacing Strombo with MacLean is the oft used parable of “rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic”. The idea was to bring in a new host and a new way of doing things in an attempt to bring in younger more “hip” viewers.The problem isn’t the host, though Maclean will a give a small bump in ratings due to his past history.The problem is the other preseneters on the HNIC panel.

    Really, just compare the HNIC analysts to other sports.In basketball and football, they tend to have former stars and coaches like Steve Kerr, Mark Jackson, Shaq, Barkley, Ditka, Steve Young, Theismann, Simms, Collinsworth, etc. on their panels mixed in with the hardcore reporters.The HNIC panels mostly consist of trash talking former 3rd liners and backup goalies who have been reluctant or resistant to the newer ways of looking at the sport through the lens of the newer analytics. Quite simply, they have neither the expertise to explain hockey systems at a higher level, nor the personality to entertain unless you consider airing of incorrect opinions repeatedly as entertainment.

    Browsing digital media via message boards, blogs, twitter, etc. where hockey is consumed by the younger viewers that HNIC was/is attempting to court, there is a thorough dislike/dismissal of the HNIC “personalities”.Other than Elliotte Friedman, no one has any respect for anything that the rest of the panel has to contribute.In this “Emperor has no clothes” scenario, viewers have listened and found them to be talking out their asses pumping up the Dave Bollands, David Clarksons etc. and being overly critical of the truly skilled players like Crosby, Hall, Subban, etc. for failings, imagined or otherwise.

    Hear, hear!

  18. theDjdj says:

    https://www.nhl.com/news/2011-nhl-re-draft-gaudreau-jumps-to-no-1/c-280996940?tid=277764372

    Nugent-Hopkins proposed to be drafted at 7th in the 2011 redraft. Always curious to see how the rest of the league view RNH. No way Saad is the third best player from that draft.

  19. wheatnoil says:

    Mirtle reports that Demers’ ask is $5.5M out of Dallas.

  20. npanciroli says:

    wheatnoil:
    Mirtle reports that Demers’ ask is $5.5M out of Dallas.

    I would do it. Feels like a Sekera type to me.

    theDjdj:
    https://www.nhl.com/news/2011-nhl-re-draft-gaudreau-jumps-to-no-1/c-280996940?tid=277764372

    Nugent-Hopkins proposed to be drafted at 7th in the 2011 redraft. Always curious to see how the rest of the league view RNH. No way Saad is the third best player from that draft.

    “Despite all the time missed he’s second in his draft class with 222 points.” 7th!

  21. Ducey says:

    wheatnoil:
    Mirtle reports that Demers’ ask is $5.5M out of Dallas.

    Dumb question: They have $13 M in Cap space. Why don’t they just keep him?

  22. Woodguy says:

    PigeonCamera,

    What has actually changed since the season ended, where the rhetoric all pointed to Hall being untouchable?

    We’ve got to the part of the season where other GMs kick the tires on players.

    Some of that filters back to the media and we get it 3rd/4th hand.

    Here’s what happens:

    Bob Murray: “Pete, you need D and I need LW”
    Peter Chiarelli : “Looks that way yes”
    BM: “You need 1st pairing Dmen and I have one in Fowler that I could be persuaded to move, but he’s a first pairing guy Pete so I need a good player coming back”
    PC: “You don’t say?”
    BM: “Yeah Cam’s been great for us but I have to make room for Hampus and no one will take Stoner off my hands”
    PC: “Oh yeah”
    BM: “So Pete let’s make it f first pairing Dman for first line LW and swap Hall for Fowler”
    PC: “thanks Bob, but Cam isn’t in a Taylor conversation, but we could talk about Hampus”
    BM: “Naw, Hampus is staying. This is good value Pete and I can add a bit if you need it”
    PC: “I’m gonna pass on this one Bob, but lets keep talking and see what we can do”
    BM: “Thanks Pete”

    PC: (to Oilers staffer): “I really wish the guys would stop calling for Taylor with garbage in their hands. Man.”

    Oiler Staffer texts to Dreger : “Teams calling about Hall”

    Dreger to the world: ” So what about Taylor Hall. Lots of rumblings around the National Hockey League. ‘Maybe this is the time the Oilers change the culture of their club and Hall really is a target that they’d consider moving.”

  23. John Chambers says:

    theDjdj:
    https://www.nhl.com/news/2011-nhl-re-draft-gaudreau-jumps-to-no-1/c-280996940?tid=277764372

    Nugent-Hopkins proposed to be drafted at 7th in the 2011 redraft. Always curious to see how the rest of the league view RNH. No way Saad is the third best player from that draft.

    So the author’s perspective is pretty much:
    Let’s calculate how well each player scored the last couple of seasons and tabulate our list that way. The first 6 are wingers – many of them on non-playoff teams, none of them score at an elite level.

    I’ll gladly keep the top Centre of the draft. This illustrates how under-appreciated 93’s game is across the league, and that narrative is bound to change when the team inevitably starts winning.

  24. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Question for the group:

    When the Oilers fell to #4 overall the consensus around here was to take Dubois because of his range of skills, ability to play different positions, 200 ft game, skating, and primary points on a weaker team.

    Now, it seems as if the majority of posters here in the last few days are wishing for Tkachuk.

    Is this because it appears as if the mainstream guys are screaming Tkachuk and we are all trying to come to terms or justify taking Tkachuk ahead of Dubois??? Or why have people around here seemed to be warming to the idea of Tkachuk over Dubois?

  25. John Chambers says:

    Ducey: Dumb question: They have $13 M in Cap space. Why don’t they just keep him?

    Jamie Benn’s next contract will start with a 9. Seguin too.

    Demers is a notch below Petry / Sekara. You’d be happy to pay him $4.5M / year X 4, but championship teams can’t be built with $5M second-pair Dmen.

    Edmonton has such a glaring need that we should be willing to overpay, but we also have numerous value contracts we could absorb $5M for JD. I’d be happy if Edm signed him for $22M / 4 or $25M / 5.

  26. Woodguy says:

    Ducey: Dumb question: They have $13 M in Cap space. Why don’t they just keep him?

    They need a 1LD, that’s ~$5.5MM +
    Benn gets a raise next year, that’s probably $4MM more than what he’s making now.

    Their depth on the blue is better on RHD than LHD right now.

    RHD
    Klingberg – under contract for a long time, top pairing DMan
    Johns – played 3RD in playoffs – might be ready for 2RD
    Honka – 1st round pick, lots of offence, 2 good years in AHL – he’s on the team next year (like him a lot)

    LHD
    Oduya – played 2nds during the year and sucked at it, played 3rds in playoffs
    Nemeth – 23 year old – decent player, doesn’t bring much offence
    Lindell – 1 year on AHL after 3 post draft years in Europe – played on Finland Men’s team at WC – he and Honka are the future of DAL’s D along with Klingberg
    Oleksiak – probably not going to make it in the NHL

    With all that, the last place you want to spend is on a RHD who won’t pass Klingberg.

    Much better to spend your money elsewhere, especially when you paid $10.5MM for the 3rd shittiest goalie tandem in the NHL.

  27. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Question for the group:

    When the Oilers fell to #4 overall the consensus around here was to take Dubois because of his range of skills, ability to play different positions, 200 ft game, skating, and primary points on a weaker team.

    Now, it seems as if the majority of posters here in the last few days are wishing for Tkachuk.

    Is this because it appears as if the mainstream guys are screaming Tkachuk and we are all trying to come to terms or justify taking Tkachuk ahead of Dubois???Or why have people around here seemed to be warming to the idea of Tkachuk over Dubois?

    It’s more that people are acknowledging that the only people talking about PLD are on this message board. Not hearing that verbal from anyone with any power.

    Sounds like MT is almost the certain pick. Not sure people agree with it.

  28. Woodguy says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Question for the group:

    When the Oilers fell to #4 overall the consensus around here was to take Dubois because of his range of skills, ability to play different positions, 200 ft game, skating, and primary points on a weaker team.

    Now, it seems as if the majority of posters here in the last few days are wishing for Tkachuk.

    Is this because it appears as if the mainstream guys are screaming Tkachuk and we are all trying to come to terms or justify taking Tkachuk ahead of Dubois???Or why have people around here seemed to be warming to the idea of Tkachuk over Dubois?

    My position hasn’t changed.

    Dubois is the best player available at #4.(assuming that the first 3 go as expected)

    Taking Tkachuk at 4 isn’t the end of the world and I wouldn’t be unhappy. He’ll have an NHL career.

  29. Chris says:

    Give Demers 5.5 x 6 all day long. We can jury rig one defensive spot for next season and possibly add at the deadline if warranted.

  30. John Chambers says:

    Klima’s_Bucket,

    Good question.

    Tkachuk seems like the consensus #4 based on the Mem Cup. It was pretty impressive.

    That said Edm doesn’t have a need at LW, and I doubt Tkachuk is the 4th best player to come out of the draft ultimately.

    He’ll get drafted at 4, but I doubt Edm is the team that drafts him.

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  32. jonrmcleod says:

    theDjdj:
    https://www.nhl.com/news/2011-nhl-re-draft-gaudreau-jumps-to-no-1/c-280996940?tid=277764372

    Nugent-Hopkins proposed to be drafted at 7th in the 2011 redraft. Always curious to see how the rest of the league view RNH. No way Saad is the third best player from that draft.

    That list is absolute garbage. Connor Murphy ahead of Larsson and Klefbom.

  33. Halfwise says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    LT,

    Can you explain the Wilford Brimley reference?

    When I think of Wilford Brimley I think of the classic SNL Sketch with John Goodman.

    Now, I’m gonna go get off my horse by getting onto a smaller horse, and then onto a large dog, until I’m near enough to the ground to roll off.

    You take care now.

    Quaker oatmeal had Brimley as a spokesman. His grandfatherly character would tell us “It’s the right thing to do.”

    Late 1980s maybe.

  34. Clay says:

    I’m not expecting a trade involving a Steve Austin or other significant roster player until after the draft (for the Oilers). I believe, as LT said, Chia isn’t going to risk sewering his job or reputation by risking that much.

    If he’s trading Hall (for instance) he’ll do it after he’s got a Hall replacement in the can – Lucic or Tkachuk, etc. For RNH, it would need to be Backes or some such.

    If he doesn’t, it just smacks of desperation.

  35. Younger Oil says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Question for the group:

    When the Oilers fell to #4 overall the consensus around here was to take Dubois because of his range of skills, ability to play different positions, 200 ft game, skating, and primary points on a weaker team.

    Now, it seems as if the majority of posters here in the last few days are wishing for Tkachuk.

    Is this because it appears as if the mainstream guys are screaming Tkachuk and we are all trying to come to terms or justify taking Tkachuk ahead of Dubois???Or why have people around here seemed to be warming to the idea of Tkachuk over Dubois?

    People who think Dubois is better still think the same, but since all of the verbal around the Oilers is nothing but Tkachuk, arguing for Dubois over Tkachuk is kind of pointless at this point because it appears that the Oilers have their sights on Tkachuk and aren’t wavering.

    Plus, the arguments between Tkachuk and Dubois all ended up going the same way anyways.

    Dubois Supporter: “Dubois has better underlying stats, was on a worse line on a worse team, much of Tkachuk’s offence was inflated/unsustainable”.

    Tkachuk Supporter: “You can’t prove any of that, the scouts say otherwise, Tkachuk got more points and is a better fit to play with McDavid”.

    Rinse and repeat.

    It’s Draisaitl vs Bennett 2.0.

  36. bsmart says:

    Woodguy: My position hasn’t changed.

    Dubois is the best player available at #4.(assuming that the first 3 go as expected)

    Taking Tkachuk at 4 isn’t the end of the world and I wouldn’t be unhappy.He’ll have an NHL career.

    Woodguy,

    What is your position if the Fin is still on the board at 4? Would you take Dubois over the Fin if Columbus takes Tkachuk at 3?

  37. Clay says:

    Woodguy:
    PigeonCamera,

    What has actually changed since the season ended, where the rhetoric all pointed to Hall being untouchable?

    We’ve got to the part of the season where other GMs kick the tires on players.

    Some of that filters back to the media and we get it 3rd/4th hand.

    Here’s what happens:

    Bob Murray: “Pete, you need D and I need LW”
    Peter Chiarelli : “Looks that way yes”
    BM: “You need 1st pairing Dmen and I have one in Fowler that I could be persuaded to move, but he’s a first pairing guy Pete so I need a good player coming back”
    PC: “You don’t say?”
    BM: “Yeah Cam’s been great for us but I have to make room for Hampus and no one will take Stoner off my hands”
    PC: “Oh yeah”
    BM: “So Pete let’s make it f first pairing Dman for first line LW and swap Hall for Fowler”
    PC: “thanks Bob, but Cam isn’t in a Taylor conversation, but we could talk about Hampus”
    BM: “Naw, Hampus is staying.This is good value Pete and I can add a bit if you need it”
    PC: “I’m gonna pass on this one Bob, but lets keep talking and see what we can do”
    BM: “Thanks Pete”

    PC: (to Oilers staffer): “I really wish the guys would stop calling for Taylor with garbage in their hands.Man.”

    Oiler Staffer texts to Dreger : “Teams calling about Hall”

    Dreger to the world: ” So what about Taylor Hall. Lots of rumblings around the National Hockey League. ‘Maybe this is the time the Oilers change the culture of their club and Hall really is a target that they’d consider moving.”

    Quoted for absolute truth.

  38. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    “Secondary List :
    ……
    8. Rob the Bruins of something.”

    Haha. Nice.

  39. square_wheels says:

    v4ance,

    We were deep into a convo about the new media last night on the previous post, but you’ve summarized it well.

    The way I want to watch games going forward is similar to how the game day Blog is here, but add an audio/video component to it and somewhat of a standard “agenda” for each intermission etc..

    If the game sucks, drift into story telling or analyzing the teams gaps in certain area’s and how they can adjust player usage.

    There was a failed startup venture I stumbled into last night that made perfect sense – YouCommentate. Looked to be Australian and they were after cricket and footy games, but the idea has tonnes of merit. Like anything, if the passion meets the correct marketing – Gold Jerry, GOLD.

  40. Offside says:

    Great post as usual, LT – but I think we all would have appreciated an accompanying Susanna Hoffs pic

  41. jm363561 says:

    Chris:
    Give Demers 5.5 x 6 all day long. We can jury rig one defensive spot for next season and possibly add at the deadline if warranted.

    Based entirely on Woodguy’s post a week or two ago I would be more than okay with that. Somehow or other we just have to get at least one really good RHD.

  42. Woogie63 says:

    Chia list for the summer

    1. Change his trusted advisors, (MacT, Howson)
    2. Free Agency for one defensemen (Demers as 2RHD)
    3. Manage the experience on the McDavid line (Pouliot, Eberle/Yak)
    4. Don’t sell low (RNH, Yak, Fayne)
    5. Max two rookies (Khaira, Shepyshev)
    6. Experienced Back up goalie (Montoya)
    7. Be prepared to wait out cap hell teams (CBJ, Philly, Detroit)

  43. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Woodguy:
    *****SPAM*****

    ICYMI:

    New Because Oilers:

    I looked at Zach Redmond and he surprised the shit out of me

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2016/06/oilers-right-shot-dman-search-6-zach.html

    *****END SPAM*****

    I agree Woodguy. Everyone is so focused on getting that big defenseman not enough attention is being paid to the under radar quality players. Redmond appears to be a great bargain.

  44. PigeonCamera says:

    Woodguy:
    PigeonCamera,

    What has actually changed since the season ended, where the rhetoric all pointed to Hall being untouchable?

    We’ve got to the part of the season where other GMs kick the tires on players.

    Some of that filters back to the media and we get it 3rd/4th hand.

    Here’s what happens:

    Bob Murray: “Pete, you need D and I need LW”
    Peter Chiarelli : “Looks that way yes”
    BM: “You need 1st pairing Dmen and I have one in Fowler that I could be persuaded to move, but he’s a first pairing guy Pete so I need a good player coming back”
    PC: “You don’t say?”
    BM: “Yeah Cam’s been great for us but I have to make room for Hampus and no one will take Stoner off my hands”
    PC: “Oh yeah”
    BM: “So Pete let’s make it f first pairing Dman for first line LW and swap Hall for Fowler”
    PC: “thanks Bob, but Cam isn’t in a Taylor conversation, but we could talk about Hampus”
    BM: “Naw, Hampus is staying.This is good value Pete and I can add a bit if you need it”
    PC: “I’m gonna pass on this one Bob, but lets keep talking and see what we can do”
    BM: “Thanks Pete”

    PC: (to Oilers staffer): “I really wish the guys would stop calling for Taylor with garbage in their hands.Man.”

    Oiler Staffer texts to Dreger : “Teams calling about Hall”

    Dreger to the world: ” So what about Taylor Hall. Lots of rumblings around the National Hockey League. ‘Maybe this is the time the Oilers change the culture of their club and Hall really is a target that they’d consider moving.”

    I 100% agree. Hall doesn’t go unless a “Hall” is coming back on D. Dreger’s “source” really dried up when Nonis was canned.

  45. v4ance says:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/42739/rumblings-does-marc-andre-fleury-have-a-future-in-pittsburgh

    “Teams looking for a starting goalie — hello Calgary Flames! — should consider Fleury. While the Anaheim Ducks’ Frederik Andersen is appealing because he’s only 26 and still growing into a No. 1, he’s not accomplished like Fleury, who has two Cups under his belt and is coming off a regular season during which he was once again a top-five goalie in the league.”

    Please please please! PLEASE! Flames Jump on this Fleury guy fast! PLEASE!

    Regards,

    Connor McDavid.

  46. bendelson says:

    Halfwise: Quaker oatmeal had Brimley as a spokesman. His grandfatherly character would tell us “It’s the right thing to do.”

    Late 1980s maybe.

    Are you suggesting it wasn’t a Hard Target – Uncle Douvee reference?

  47. Water Fire says:

    I thought HNIC was done 4 years out from the Sportsnet deal?

    It never made sense to me why you would hire a non sports person to host a legendary hockey show aired in the greatest hockey nation in the world.

    Only in Canada. Imagine the BBC bringing in a ‘top of the pops’ music show host to handle soccer in an attempt to be more hip. The CBC has really lost it’s way if that’s the quality of decision making.

    They should stop reading articles about what millennials want and just make things really good. Or perhaps retire the obnoxious biggot that even only some older people can handle, that is what would be the biggest turn off for youth.

    Mainstram fans just want quality without anything too offensive, no need to overthink it.

  48. Магия 10 says:

    Woogie63: Chia list for the summer
    1. Change his trusted advisors, (MacT, Howson)

    Peter Chiarelli ‏@FakeOilersGM Jun 2
    In the event of NHL expansion, how many former GMs am I allowed to protect? #lowe #mact #howson

  49. JimmyV1965 says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Question for the group:

    When the Oilers fell to #4 overall the consensus around here was to take Dubois because of his range of skills, ability to play different positions, 200 ft game, skating, and primary points on a weaker team.

    Now, it seems as if the majority of posters here in the last few days are wishing for Tkachuk.

    Is this because it appears as if the mainstream guys are screaming Tkachuk and we are all trying to come to terms or justify taking Tkachuk ahead of Dubois???Or why have people around here seemed to be warming to the idea of Tkachuk over Dubois?

    Would rather have PLD but would be quite happy with MT. Seems like a lot of people are in this boat. I just hope they don’t think MT can replace Hall.

  50. Offside says:

    Bohologo: Or Prince, who I seem to recall wrote the song, no?

    True – but if we’re capturing images rather than sounds – I’d take Ms. Hoffs as the preferred option

  51. v4ance says:

    v4ance:
    http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/42739/rumblings-does-marc-andre-fleury-have-a-future-in-pittsburgh

    “Teams looking for a starting goalie — hello Calgary Flames! — should consider Fleury. While the Anaheim Ducks’ Frederik Andersen is appealing because he’s only 26 and still growing into a No. 1, he’s not accomplished like Fleury, who has two Cups under his belt and is coming off a regular season during which he was once again a top-five goalie in the league.”

    Please please please!PLEASE!Flames Jump on this Fleury guy fast!PLEASE!

    Regards,

    Connor McDavid.

    PS: Please don’t read this Mr Treliving.
    http://flamesnation.ca/2016/6/20/is-marc-andre-fleury-really-a-fit-for-the-flames

    It’s just a guy in his basement

  52. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Chris Nichols
    @NicholsOnHockey

    McKenzie: “I couldn’t find a scout who had anybody other than Matthews, Laine, or Puljujarvi as the Top 3.” 1050

    Can we put the Puljujarvi drop to #4 scenario to rest now please?

  53. OF17 says:

    Klima’s_Bucket,

    For me, a lot of it has to do with doing more digging into Tkachuk and liking what I’ve found. I don’t care who your line mates are, you don’t put up the kind of numbers that Tkachuk has over multiple years in multiple leagues and tournaments without being a highly impressive player.

    Watching more video of him has helped too. His pseudo-Smyth style isn’t really replicated anywhere in our forward corps, and he has enough skill and hands to play with the best. The guy is dynamite below the circles, and it isn’t hard to imagine his game meshing really well with McDavid’s zone entries and playmaking. Their strengths are a good match for each other.

    If I had to choose, I’d probably still go Dubois, but I’ve seen enough to know that I am in no position to say which guy will turn out better. I do know that whichever guy we get, we should be very pleased. Both Dubois and Tkachuk are every bit deserving of their high rankings.

    The one I’m worried about is Puljujarvi. I’m hoping he isn’t there with our pick, because I just don’t see the same level of offense from him as from some others. He seems more like a 15G 30A two way winger, which is great, but you don’t need to spend a 4th overall pick to get it. Again, no expert, but he worries me.

  54. Магия 10 says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes:
    Chris Nichols
    @NicholsOnHockey

    McKenzie: “I couldn’t find a scout who had anybody other than Matthews, Laine, or Puljujarvi as the Top 3.” 1050

    Can we put the Puljujarvi drop to #4 scenario to rest now please?

    Yes. Did not expect to see MT rise to #3 today. Was wondering if the separation would continue to be unanimous (10/10) like last time. Interesting to hear that it is.

  55. Spartacus says:

    v4ance,

    I get that people miss TSN because they have Ferraro and other good panelists, but what seems to be forgotten is that there were NEVER any Oilers games broadcast on TSN. Ok, that’s hyperbole, if they were playing the Leafs on a Wednesday, you might see the Oilers on TSN.

    I’m grateful to Rogers because they actually broadcast Oilers games. They even created a channel specifically for Oilers games when they couldn’t broadcast on a regular channel. Rogers now broadcasts every single Oilers game, aside from the HNIC bed-crapping spectaculars for which the Oilers have become infamous.

    I don’t care that Kelly Hrudey is retarded and hates the Oilers, I’m also not surprised. If you were peppered with as many pucks as Hrudey – the bulk of them delivered by the Gretzky era Oilers – you’d be puck drunk and bitter, too.

    I don’t really care who does play-by-play, I don’t learn the names of the panelists and TV personalities because they are superfluous to the game. With the putrid product the Oilers have iced over the last few years, I often don’t even listen to the game, but I still like to have it on.

    I’m just happy – but sometimes I’m really, really sad – that I can watch all of the Oilers games on TV now.

    Christ, you can’t even get an Eskimos game on TSN these days.

    Fuck TSN.

    Seriously, fuck those guys!

  56. Bag of Pucks says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Question for the group:

    When the Oilers fell to #4 overall the consensus around here was to take Dubois because of his range of skills, ability to play different positions, 200 ft game, skating, and primary points on a weaker team.

    Now, it seems as if the majority of posters here in the last few days are wishing for Tkachuk.

    Is this because it appears as if the mainstream guys are screaming Tkachuk and we are all trying to come to terms or justify taking Tkachuk ahead of Dubois???Or why have people around here seemed to be warming to the idea of Tkachuk over Dubois?

    This is a very good question. LT’s most recent aside was a luck of ‘buzz’ around Dubois as we get nearer.

    This is the big problem with ‘consensus’ draft projections imo. You’re not so much trying to identify the actual best player in that slot 3, 5 and 10 years from now. You’re trying to gauge who the herd is gravitating towards within the scouting community (i.e. who’s the popular pick).

    Optics influences these decisions far too often. Let’s hope Chia can reduce the signal to noise clutter (i.e. hype) and pick the actual best player based on game grades.

    And for gord’s sakes, you don’t give Katz a decision voice in the process.

    Tkachuk reminds me of Horvat. Draft ranking zooming as a result of a strong Memorial Cup.

  57. Truth says:

    Woodguy:
    PigeonCamera,

    What has actually changed since the season ended, where the rhetoric all pointed to Hall being untouchable?

    We’ve got to the part of the season where other GMs kick the tires on players.

    Some of that filters back to the media and we get it 3rd/4th hand.

    Here’s what happens:

    Bob Murray: “Pete, you need D and I need LW”
    Peter Chiarelli : “Looks that way yes”
    BM: “You need 1st pairing Dmen and I have one in Fowler that I could be persuaded to move, but he’s a first pairing guy Pete so I need a good player coming back”
    PC: “You don’t say?”
    BM: “Yeah Cam’s been great for us but I have to make room for Hampus and no one will take Stoner off my hands”
    PC: “Oh yeah”
    BM: “So Pete let’s make it f first pairing Dman for first line LW and swap Hall for Fowler”
    PC: “thanks Bob, but Cam isn’t in a Taylor conversation, but we could talk about Hampus”
    BM: “Naw, Hampus is staying.This is good value Pete and I can add a bit if you need it”
    PC: “I’m gonna pass on this one Bob, but lets keep talking and see what we can do”
    BM: “Thanks Pete”

    PC: (to Oilers staffer): “I really wish the guys would stop calling for Taylor with garbage in their hands.Man.”

    Oiler Staffer texts to Dreger : “Teams calling about Hall”

    Dreger to the world: ” So what about Taylor Hall. Lots of rumblings around the National Hockey League. ‘Maybe this is the time the Oilers change the culture of their club and Hall really is a target that they’d consider moving.”

    How about:

    Peter Chiarelli: Prior to drafting McDavid, who was the face of this franchise?
    Katz: Taylor Hall, no question.
    PC: So, we’ve talked at length about a required culture change, and we absolutely need a #1 RD. Why not throw Hall’s name out there and if the right deal comes up we take a very large step in changing the culture of this club and we get our #1 RD at the same time?
    Katz: I don’t know, Hallsy’s a great player and most of the fans love him.
    PC: Look, the management in Boston forced me to trade Seguin due to his off-ice issues. I lost that trade horribly and I’m not making that mistake again. If I trade Hall it’s going to be for a D who impacts the play at the same level Hall does. Throwing his name out there does not mean I have to trade him.
    Katz: Worth a shot.

  58. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    “Tkachuk reminds me of Horvat. Draft ranking zooming as a result of a strong Memorial Cup”

    Wasn’t Tkachuk the top rated North American skater or near the top the entire year? Hardly ‘zoomed’ after the Mem Cup.

  59. Bag of Pucks says:

    Water Fire:
    I thought HNIC was done 4 years out from the Sportsnet deal?

    It never made sense to me why you would hire a non sports person to host a legendary hockey show aired in the greatest hockey nation in the world.

    Only in Canada. Imagine the BBC bringing in a ‘top of the pops’ music show host to handle soccer in an attempt to be more hip. The CBC has really lost it’s way if that’s the quality of decision making.

    They should stop reading articles about what millennials want and just make things really good. Or perhaps retire the obnoxious biggot that even only some older people can handle, that is what would be the biggest turn off for youth.

    Mainstram fans just want quality without anything too offensive, no need to overthink it.

    HNIC didn’t make the decision on turfing Maclean for Strombo. That was a Rogers/Sportsnet call.

  60. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes:
    Bag of Pucks,

    “Tkachuk reminds me of Horvat. Draft ranking zooming as a result of a strong Memorial Cup”

    Wasn’t Tkachuk the top rated North American skater or near the top the entire year? Hardly ‘zoomed’ after the Mem Cup.

    Zoomed may be too strong a word. I do think his Mem Cup is elevating him though. Recency bias is too strong with these scouts, and a lot of orgs emphasize stuff like, ‘he scored when it mattered, he’s clutch!’

  61. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Bag of Pucks: Zoomed may be too strong a word. I do think his Mem Cup is elevating him though. Recency bias is too strong with these scouts, and a lot of orgs emphasize stuff like, ‘he scored when it mattered, he’s clutch!’

    I don’t see how producing at a high level for the biggest prize in Junior hockey with a sprained ankle would hurt his stock. It likely just reinforced the fact to people like me who have watched him all year that this kid not only has the skills, but the sheer will and determination to succeed. Those are very attractive qualities to have in a franchise player especially if you are trying to build a Championship team.

  62. Магия 10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Tkachuk reminds me of Horvat. Draft ranking zooming as a result of a strong Memorial Cup.

    Woah. He was number 4 on McKenzie April consensus and will be no higher than #4 this afternoon when the final comes out.

    The Memorial Cup games? No effect.

    From April:

    “Tkachuk currently owns that designation, but four other Top 10 prospects got consideration as the fourth best in this draft – Chychrun at No. 5; Nylander at No. 6; Juolevi at No. 7 and McLeod at No. 9.

    Note: although Dubois was consensus #5 not one of the 10 picked him above 5:

    “Dubois received some consideration as a top five pick and Gauthier in the top six.”

    http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-mid-season-draft-ranking-topped-by-big-three-1.435206

  63. Woodguy says:

    bsmart: Woodguy,

    What is your position if the Fin is still on the board at 4? Would you take Dubois over the Fin if Columbus takes Tkachuk at 3?

    I take the Finn and dance all the way to the podium.

    Which is why I hope CGY and CBJ swap picks.

    CGY would take Tkachuk and CBJ would take Brown at 6.

    Chia would grin all the way to the podium to grab Pulijarvi

  64. Woodguy says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: I agree Woodguy. Everyone is so focused on getting that big defenseman not enough attention is being paid to the under radar quality players. Redmond appears to be a great bargain.

    Thanks Kilty

    If Fayne is hanging around at 2RD a cheap UFA for 3RD or 7/8 isn’t a bad plan, especially with Redmond ‘s 5v5 scoring and ability to play the PP

  65. Woodguy says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes:
    Chris Nichols
    @NicholsOnHockey

    McKenzie: “I couldn’t find a scout who had anybody other than Matthews, Laine, or Puljujarvi as the Top 3.” 1050

    Can we put the Puljujarvi drop to #4 scenario to rest now please?

    we need something to wish for

  66. Ducey says:

    Bag of Pucks: Zoomed may be too strong a word. I do think his Mem Cup is elevating him though. Recency bias is too strong with these scouts, and a lot of orgs emphasize stuff like, ‘he scored when it mattered, he’s clutch!’

    I might believe that if his NHLE wasn’t higher than anyone in this draft. He is at 49 points, PLD is 6th at 34. That’s a sizable gap, and takes into account the fact that MT put up his points in a tougher league. That stat also doesn’t take into account his playoff “recency” – which you have to value somewhat, or you are not paying attention. 40 pts in 18 games while injured is impressive.

    I can see someone liking one more than the other, but getting really upset over the Oilers taking MT says something about the poster’s lack of reasonableness.

    Both are going to be a very good players.

    Its like Hall/ Seguin or Leon/ Bennett for me.

  67. rickithebear says:

    v4ance:
    Also from that Mirtle artice:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/trade-rumours-fly-as-the-busiest-stretch-of-the-nhl-off-season-begins/article30517289/

    “Teams still believe, meanwhile, that the Jacob Trouba saga in Winnipeg isn’t over, despite pledges from the Jets to re-sign him. The Capitals also have a tough call to make with Dmitry Orlov, who is outside their top four and a prime candidate to be lost in the expansion draft.”

    Opinions on Orlov?

    6’0″ 212lb
    4 years pro service but 2 yrs of RFA control then UFA

    Bottom 3rd/#7D comp
    Top 40 HSCA D
    11 GA improvement over Gryba, Reinhart, Nurse, Schultz.
    Top 30 EVP/60 D 1.01
    (1.01 – .61) X (16/60) = .106666 X 80 gm = +8 GF to league average.

    Non qualified PK but .50 PPTOI 3.00 PKGA
    a good 2 unit option for our team.
    Potential top 20 PK D; 6 GA improvement on league average.

    NO PP this is a good thing!
    cause you will not be paying for inflated Point production from PP that yields minimal +ve Goal Dif.

    a 3rd comp D;
    that generates 8 GF above average @ even
    Is a 11 GA improvement over our 4 bottom 20 HSCA D
    Might be a 6 GA improvement on PK in a 2nd unit role.
    Pair him with Davidson to eat 2nd/3rd comp Minutes.

    Klefbom 1st comp; top 60 HSCA D; 1.08 EVP/60; top 20 PKGA D
    XXX 1st comp ??????
    Sekera 2nd comp; top 10 HSCA D; .81 EVP/60; top 40 PPGF D
    Fayne 2nd comp; potential top 60 HSCA D.
    Davidson 2nd comp; top 30 HSCA D; .61 EVp/60; top 20 PKGA D; Potential top 3 PPG D
    Orlov 3rd comp; top 40 HSCA D; Potential top 20 PKGA D

  68. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: I don’t see how producing at a high level for the biggest prize in Junior hockey with a sprained ankle would hurt his stock. It likely just reinforced the fact to people like me who have watched him all year that this kid not only has the skills, but the sheer will and determination to succeed. Those are very attractive qualities to have in a franchise player especially if you are trying to build a Championship team.

    Agreed. I’m not commenting on whether or not Tkachuk is the right pick at #4 vs Dubois and others. My point is directed more at some of these factors that seem to affect final draft rankings (recency, buzz, clutch, popularity, etc.) as being somewhat flawed from an analytics perspective.

    I don’t watch these kids enough to hazard an educated guess at who’s the right pick. I just hope Dubois isn’t one of these players like Seth Jones or Filip Forsberg where a lack of ‘buzz’ has them sliding at the draft and the OIl miss him for the wrong reasons.

  69. Revolved says:

    Woodguy:
    *****SPAM*****

    ICYMI:

    New Because Oilers:

    I looked at Zach Redmond and he surprised the shit out of me

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2016/06/oilers-right-shot-dman-search-6-zach.html

    *****END SPAM*****

    As a scientist, I really appreciate you uncovering this guy purely from the data. He is clearly a good puck mover, and both The Hockey News and Hockey’s Future point to his strong point shot and PP ability.

    If Demers can be assumed (?), Redmond could fill the third pair RD and PP spot on the cheap. It even sounds like he could move up in a pinch. He is quoted as saying he went the the Avalanche for an NHL opportunity, and Edmonton certainly has a few of those for RHD! At a miilion per year, Chia could still satisfy his heavy obsession in Gryba and let McLellan choose how he wants his third pair to look.

    Surely WG’s hard work could trickle into your RHD target list here, LT? My only concern is that since both Redmond and Barrie come from the worst possession team in the NHL that the Rel stats WG uses might overstate their actual talents.

  70. Woodguy says:

    Truth: How about:

    Peter Chiarelli: Prior to drafting McDavid, who was the face of this franchise?
    Katz:Taylor Hall, no question.
    PC: So, we’ve talked at length about a required culture change, and we absolutely need a #1 RD.Why not throw Hall’s name out there and if the right deal comes up we take a very large step in changing the culture of this club and we get our #1 RD at the same time?
    Katz:I don’t know, Hallsy’s a great player and most of the fans love him.
    PC:Look, the management in Boston forced me to trade Seguin due to his off-ice issues.I lost that trade horribly and I’m not making that mistake again.If I trade Hall it’s going to be for a D who impacts the play at the same level Hall does.Throwing his name out there does not mean I have to trade him.
    Katz: Worth a shot.

    I think Katz ‘ involvement these days is basically:

    “Bob, hire the people to turn this into a winner and make sure Kevin and Craig can work somewhere in the org. I’ll see you at the draft, I still like taking my son onstage”

  71. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ducey: I might believe that if his NHLE wasn’t higher than anyone in this draft. He is at 49 points, PLD is 6th at 34. That’s a sizable gap, and takes into account the fact that MT put up his points in a tougher league.That stat also doesn’t take into account his playoff “recency” – which you have to value somewhat, or you are not paying attention. 40 pts in 18 games while injured is impressive.

    I can see someone liking one more than the other, but getting really upset over the Oilers taking MT says something about the poster’s lack of reasonableness.

    Both are going to be a very good players.

    Its like Hall/ Seguin or Leon/ Bennett for me.

    Isn’t his NHLE strongly impacted by the stacked Knights team he played on as well?

  72. godot10 says:

    Skeeziks:
    I am very pleased to see item #3 on your secondary list _ improve team speed. It is such an important ingredient in the fore check game, defensively and, of course, offensively.

    I believe it is particularly important when considering wingers to play with McDavid. His speed is such an integral part of his skill set that it would be folly to burden him with wingers who do not have elite level speed and good hands.

    I eagerly await the results of the next few weeks. The Oilers have a real chance to upgrade substantially even if they don’t have success ‘whale hunting’.

    Chiarelli has brought in Maroon, Kassian, and Tkachuk. That is not improving team speed. McDavid is going to have to get used to playing slow.

    Maroon and Kassian I don’t mind so much, because of the extremely low cost of acquisition. No long term harm done.

    But “wasting” a #4OV on a player who is going to be chasing the game at even strength….

  73. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear,

    I think Nate Schmidt was the key to the Orlov Schmidt pairing.

    When Orpik went down it was Schmidt who moved up to play with Carlson.

  74. Магия 10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: My point is directed more at some of these factors that seem to affect final draft rankings (recency, buzz, clutch, popularity, etc.) as being somewhat flawed from an analytics perspective.

    MT was #4 in the April consensus with clear separation from Dubios (6-0 at #4). He won’t be #3 today.

    The construct that his ranking is based on recency bias is another kind of recency bias. He did not rise, zoom, or anything else on McKenzie whatever your recent impressions.

  75. Bag of Pucks says:

    Магия 10: MT was #4 in the April consensus with clear separation. He won’t be #3 today. The construct that his ranking is based on recency bias is another kind of recency bias. He did not rise, zoom, or anything else on McKenzie whatever your recent impressions.

    Fair enough. Do you want a retraction or will a simple ‘MT rocks!’ suffice?

    Full disclosure: Pre-draft rankings are like President Trophy Winners for me. No one remembers them 5 years from now, so whilst they’re good for filling bandwidth while we await that draft, the actual picks are what moves the needle for me.

  76. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: Thanks Kilty

    If Fayne is hanging around at 2RD a cheap UFA for 3RD or 7/8 isn’t a bad plan, especially with Redmond ‘s 5v5 scoring and ability to play the PP

    top 130 PPD
    Your Best PPD should get 4.5+ PPTOI.
    Lindholm #33 PPGF D
    Sekera #34 PPGF D
    Barrie #42 PPGF D
    Subban #45 PPGF D
    OEL #50 PPGF D
    Klefbom #71 PPGF D
    Davidson #73 PPGF D
    J. Schultz #81 PPGF D

    PPG/60
    Davidson #1
    Faulk #2
    Weber #3

  77. Lackadaisical says:

    Gregor is doing an AMA on r/Edmontonoilers atm for anyone that wants to pick his brain.

  78. rickithebear says:

    Klefbom -XXX
    Sekera – Fayne
    Davidson -XXX

    PP U1
    Davidson – Sekera
    XXX – XXX

    PK U1
    Klefbom – Davidson
    XXX-XXX

  79. Магия 10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Fair enough. Do you want a retraction or will a simple ‘MT rocks!’ suffice?

    I don’t have a dog in that hunt. Have not decided which player I prefer.

    “Just the facts, maam” 😉

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4LPkmGO5Cc

    Full disclosure: Pre-draft rankings are like President Trophy Winners for me. No one remembers them 5 years from now, so whilst they’re good for filling bandwidth while we await that draft, the actual picks are what moves the needle for me.

    Sure. If MT actually goes 3rd we can tag Columbus or whoever trades up with recency bias or anything else we want to.

    But to claim recency bias as something that drives GM or scout views in a systematic way I’d be looking to the consensus for evidence. And all we get there is that the Memorial cup zoomed MT all the way from the 4th overall with no top 3 votes to… um .. 4th overall with no top 3 votes.

  80. square_wheels says:

    Магия 10,

    Spot on ! We are so deep into the nit picky stage of the summer its starting to hurt the head.

    Lets talk about Scarlett J or LT’s HNIC replacement show name.

  81. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: I take the Finn and dance all the way to the podium.

    Which is why I hope CGY and CBJ swap picks.

    CGY would take Tkachuk and CBJ would take Brown at 6.

    Chia would grin all the way to the podium to grab Pulijarvi

    We’re thinking alike so much lately it is getting kind of eerie.

    I’ve got Dubois ahead of Tkachuk due to skating, skill, position, and size (in that order).

    But if Puljujarvi falls, you take him and try not to gloat.

    I’ve said for a few months now that Tkachuk feels like the kind of player the Flames (under Burke) would covet, and arguably it sounds as though many other teams around the league feel the same way. Brown appears to be a player of interest though as well, given Burke’s comments last week regarding big teams making it in the playoffs (apparently ignoring the fact that the “big” teams were eliminated, some early).

    So let’s imagine the Flames’ draft board after the big three runs Brown, Tkachuk, Dubois, Sergachev/Chychun (you can swap the last two, if you like).

    By all accounts, we could suggest that the Jackets’ draft board looks somewhat similar, the only added wrinkle being that while they have a shot at Puljujarvi, perhaps they have him below Tkachuk in this instance.

  82. RexLibris says:

    Regarding the Wilford Brimley thing, his line was, iirc, “It’s the right thing to do…and a tasty way to do it”. Said with equal measures of veiled paternalistic threat and old-timey sugar-coated words.

    He was the kind of grandpa where you’d have tried sarsparilla because he kept going on about how great it tasted when he was 4 years old and had just helped pull the plough through his pa’s back half-acre.

  83. magneto says:

    Sportsnet has a Mock Draft today with Puljujarvi going 5th
    3- Dubois
    4- Tkachuk

  84. Ducey says:

    Bag of Pucks: Isn’t his NHLE strongly impacted by the stacked Knights team he played on as well?

    Likely, but surely you don’t think the linemates would be worth 25 NHLE pts or something?

    MT is 15 NHLE points ahead. That’s 31% more.

    As I keep saying, they are pretty even.

  85. Woodguy says:

    Revolved,

    Thanks.

    I solicited some opinions from COL fans and they varied from dislike to considering him very under valued.

    The consensus on his main issue was decision-making.

    Bad/high risk plays that end up in the back of the net and then Pat would scratch him.

  86. jonrmcleod says:

    SPAM ALERT

    There are only a few more hours to vote for my Blogger Awards.

    Nominees for the awards include Lowetide, Woodguy, Godot, WheatNOil, G Money, Rom, McCurdy, and many others.

    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/172nbXjVBRupai5kzrUCkk18mVjOKSg_GN22rHIOLCGE/viewform?c=0&w=1

  87. v4ance says:

    whoo hoo! 1st trade of the day!

    http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=886527

    Coyotes Acquire Sharks’ 2016 4th Round Draft Choice & 2017 3rd Round Draft Choice in Exchange for Letunov & 2017 6th Round Draft Choice

    Go Mirtle!

  88. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear: top 130 PPD
    Your Best PPD should get 4.5+ PPTOI.
    Lindholm #33 PPGF D
    Sekera #34 PPGF D
    Barrie #42 PPGF D
    Subban #45 PPGF D
    OEL #50 PPGF D
    Klefbom #71 PPGF D
    Davidson #73 PPGF D
    J. Schultz #81 PPGF D

    PPG/60
    Davidson #1
    Faulk #2
    Weber #3

    I’m fine with Davey or Sekera as LHPPD, they still need a right hand shot with McDavid and RNH being the main distributors of the puck and both being left shots.

  89. Professor Q says:

    Could Bryzgalov make a return to Edmonton?

  90. Centre of attention says:

    Professor Q:
    Could Bryzgalov make a return to Edmonton?

    Gagner could be a right-shot 3C right?

    All the ex-Oilers return!

  91. wheatnoil says:

    magneto:
    Sportsnet has a Mock Draft today with Puljujarvigoing 5th
    3- Dubois
    4- Tkachuk

    Sportsnet is nuts.

  92. RexLibris says:

    Professor Q:
    Could Bryzgalov make a return to Alberta?

    Fixed that for you. I’ll let others read between the lines. 🙂

  93. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Professor Q:
    Could Bryzgalov make a return to Edmonton?

    ***Warning: Comedic Relief******

    For those of you going crazy waiting for the draft. Here’s some comic relief to distract you courtesy of Bryz:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT9r8813oyo

  94. RexLibris says:

    That article posted above: http://www.tsn.ca/news-and-rumours-oilers-low-on-defence-options-1.511195

    Includes the line “Matheson suggests the Sabres could trade Tyler Ennis, Zemgus Girgensons and/or defenceman Mark Pysyk along with the No. 8 pick to move into the Oilers’ fourth slot.”

    Does this not sound an awful lot like Oiler fan trade proposals of “Omark, Rajala, Plante and a 2nd round pick” from a few years ago? Ennis and Pysyk are nice players, Girgensons seems to be running in place and I can’t say I’d be all that interested, and the 8 does allow the Oilers to stay in the draft, but I don’t see real, actual value here. You can’t just stack players on top of one another to try and even out the scales.

  95. PigeonCamera says:

    wheatnoil: Sportsnet is nuts.

    I cannot imagine living in a world where the Oilers passed on the Fin. Society would implode. The post-apocalyptic wasteland would be littered with torn Oiler jerseys and rotting lutefisk!

  96. RexLibris says:

    PigeonCamera: I cannot imagine living in a world where the Oilers passed on the Fin.Society would implode.The post-apocalyptic wasteland would be littered with torn Oiler jerseys and rotting lutefisk!

    So we’d become the Buffalo Sabres?

  97. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy:
    rickithebear,

    I think Nate Schmidt was the key to the Orlov Schmidt pairing.

    When Orpik went down it was Schmidt who moved up to play with Carlson.

    Orlov’s Top end HSCA translated from year to year.
    But
    he has not done it versus 2nd comp.
    I do not like D that have played mostly 3rd comp.
    -easier to generate offence
    – easier to defend
    if off/def production starts to drop off there is no lower comp to go down to.

    WG a lot of you like to look at a dman driving off production which is fair.
    but for those D men with good HSCA
    I will show you a d partner that drives the Defence.

    As we know Defence wins championships Cause?
    If you are yielding high GA rates there are a limited number of forwards that can outscore that and they cost huge cap dollars.

    Were as Getting top end HSCA and PKGA D allows 1st, 2nd, 3rd line forwards to outscore the opposition. A lot more options to win on the score sheet.

    My Dman philosophy.
    Get the best HSCA (top 60-80) and PKGA D. ( top 30-40) you can get.
    Who have avg+ EVP/60.
    No PP time.
    they get paid a lot less in the cap world.

    Have 2 D be your 1st unit PP anchors
    with one being PP QB and the other a top 10 Generator of PP G.

    I look at :
    Even:
    Klefbom – XXX
    Sekera – Fayne
    Davidson – XXX

    PK:
    Klefbom – Davidson
    XXX – XXX

    PP
    Davidson – Sekera

    A lot of gaps filled.

  98. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ducey: Likely, but surely you don’t think the linemates would be worth 25 NHLE pts or something?

    MT is 15 NHLE points ahead. That’s 31% more.

    As I keep saying, they are pretty even.

    Dave Lumley once scored in 12 straight games playing alongside Gretz? lol

    I have no idea how much it would impact the REs but certainly you would expect to pick up a lot of 2nd assists on a powerhouse team that you wouldn’t otherwise get on a bottom feeder?

    It’s interesting cos this is a fairly new development in hockey. In the NFL, if a prospect is coming out of a ‘football factory’ like Florida State or Alabama, that gives them extra draft cache (i.e. they’re playing in an elite program, in the top bowl games, against other great athletes, usually in a pro style system, etc.).

    London has become a bit of a factory in the OHL so it will be interesting to track their draft picks over time to see how often the prospect is legit (Domi, Kane) vs. getting zoomed by his linemates and/or his amateur game doesn’t translate well to the bigs (Gagner).

  99. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy:
    PigeonCamera,

    What has actually changed since the season ended, where the rhetoric all pointed to Hall being untouchable?

    We’ve got to the part of the season where other GMs kick the tires on players.

    Some of that filters back to the media and we get it 3rd/4th hand.

    Here’s what happens:

    Bob Murray: “Pete, you need D and I need LW”
    Peter Chiarelli : “Looks that way yes”
    BM: “You need 1st pairing Dmen and I have one in Fowler that I could be persuaded to move, but he’s a first pairing guy Pete so I need a good player coming back”
    PC: “You don’t say?”
    BM: “Yeah Cam’s been great for us but I have to make room for Hampus and no one will take Stoner off my hands”
    PC: “Oh yeah”
    BM: “So Pete let’s make it f first pairing Dman for first line LW and swap Hall for Fowler”
    PC: “thanks Bob, but Cam isn’t in a Taylor conversation, but we could talk about Hampus”
    BM: “Naw, Hampus is staying.This is good value Pete and I can add a bit if you need it”
    PC: “I’m gonna pass on this one Bob, but lets keep talking and see what we can do”
    BM: “Thanks Pete”

    PC: (to Oilers staffer): “I really wish the guys would stop calling for Taylor with garbage in their hands.Man.”

    Oiler Staffer texts to Dreger : “Teams calling about Hall”

    Dreger to the world: ” So what about Taylor Hall. Lots of rumblings around the National Hockey League. ‘Maybe this is the time the Oilers change the culture of their club and Hall really is a target that they’d consider moving.”

    Great stuff, Woodguy. I could hear the voices in this conversation (other than the Oilers’ staffer, who only texts in any event). Especially Drager at the end. Spot on.

  100. Diesel says:

    RexLibris:
    That article posted above: http://www.tsn.ca/news-and-rumours-oilers-low-on-defence-options-1.511195

    Includes the line “Matheson suggests the Sabres could trade Tyler Ennis, Zemgus Girgensons and/or defenceman Mark Pysyk along with the No. 8 pick to move into the Oilers’ fourth slot.”

    Does this not sound an awful lot like Oiler fan trade proposals of “Omark, Rajala, Plante and a 2nd round pick” from a few years ago? Ennis and Pysyk are nice players, Girgensons seems to be running in place and I can’t say I’d be all that interested, and the 8 does allow the Oilers to stay in the draft, but I don’t see real, actual value here. You can’t just stack players on top of one another to try and even out the scales.

    Agreed. I like Ennis a lot (used to play with him) and would love to see him as an Oiler but he doesn’t fill any need for us. He’s a C, but undersized and not a two-way type or right shot so he wouldn’t make much sense unless there’s some kind of dramatic shakeup. I suppose the framework represents net value gain but there has to be other options on the table that move the needle more in a pick swap scenario, right? Right?!

  101. RexLibris says:

    Diesel: Agreed. I like Ennis a lot (used to play with him) and would love to see him as an Oiler but he doesn’t fill any need for us. He’s a C, but undersized and not a two-way type or right shot so he wouldn’t make much sense unless there’s some kind of dramatic shakeup. I suppose the framework represents net value gain but there has to be other options on the table that move the needle more in a pick swap scenario, right? Right?!

    At least when we discuss a trade with Anaheim we’re talking about our LWs specifically based on stated team needs. The Oilers do not need a small left-handed center, nor a player like Girgensons. I’d have time for Pysyk, but not as a centerpiece for 4th overall.

  102. PigeonCamera says:

    RexLibris,

    Worse! The Vancouver Canucks, minus the self-imolation.

  103. Revolved says:

    Klima’s_Bucket,

    I would still much prefer Dubois to MT, but LT has mentally prepared us and so we’ve stopped kicking and accepted our fate. I think skating is the biggest thing for me. Dubois destroyed MT when they were being clocked, and those moments are going to be taken from oilers defenders for years to come if we don’t grab him!

  104. Skeeziks says:

    godot10,

    I keep going back to what I saw during the playoffs. Teams that had speed put constant and effective pressure on bigger teams. This was both in the offensive and defensive ends of the ice.

    We talk about the Oilers, and while our elite players have speed, our remaining forwards do not have anywhere near the foot speed that other well established teams do. As for our defense, we repeatedly hear about how Klefbom, Nurse, Oesterle can use their speed to make up for minor mistakes. Quite simply, the Oilers need to get faster.

  105. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    RexLibris,

    I’m not sure.

    We do that trade I assume we’re moving a quality player out for a #1d. Let’s say it’s Hall for Lindholm.

    Pouliot/McDavid/Eberle
    Ennis/RNH/Drai
    Maroon/Girgensons/Yakupov
    Hendricks/Letestu/Kassian
    Pak

    Lindholm/Klefbom
    Sekera/Fayne
    Davidson/Pysyk
    Reinhart/Nurse

    Decent lineup. Still need to trade Yak for something and maybe pick up a player in free agency, but it’s not bad.

    No idea what the contracts on the Buffalo players look like though.

  106. jonrmcleod says:

    SPAM ALERT

    I did a quick look at Eric Engel’s scenario for the Oilers trading down with Montreal. It doesn’t make sense to me.

    http://www.theoilersrig.com/2016/06/trading-down-with-montreal/

  107. jonrmcleod says:

    Stauffer mentions Barrie and Demers as the most likely right side D and says it might only be one.

    And Stauffer mentions Woodguy’s Redmond post.

  108. Water Fire says:

    Bag of Pucks: HNIC didn’t make the decision on turfing Maclean for Strombo. That was a Rogers/Sportsnet call.

    Odd that Sportsnet would make that decision for CBC. I remember that as part of the deal CBC had rights to still broadcast HNIC for four more years and then it would be gone, at least from CBC.

  109. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear,

    I agree that Dmen who drive possession and points (like Barrie) would do best with a good RelHDSCA/60 partner.

    You need both.

    If the Dman can do both at a high level he’s Hedman.

  110. Aron_S says:

    jonrmcleod,

    Woodguy’s Redmond post was excellent and needs more play so maybe the Oil brass can clue in on it (in the off chance they’re not thinking about it).

    As I wait for this draft to get here I really hope we can see more Oil picks for players or players for players move. I think about the fleecing that happened with Brodziak, Cogliano, Hemsky, Petry, Marincin and I just get deflated. More 4th round pick for Patrick Maroon with salary retained trades, please!

  111. Lowetide says:

    When does the buyout window close on Fayne?

  112. Aron_S says:

    Lowetide,

    I’m not sure if you’re being facetious, but isn’t it June 30th?

  113. Bag of Pucks says:

    Water Fire: Odd that Sportsnet would make that decision for CBC. I remember that as part of the deal CBC had rights to still broadcast HNIC for four more years and then it would be gone, at least from CBC.

    Rogers is the rights holder, lock stock and barrel. CBC makes no money off HNIC content or advertising since Rogers bought the rights. Rogers makes all the decisions since they bought the rights including on-air talent. CBC was retained as a ‘re-broadcaster’ to smooth the transition and to enable CBC to save some face over the public trust losing a hallowed institution.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/hockey-night-in-canada-how-cbc-lost-it-all/article21072643/?page=all

    And you’re right, the deal is most definitely ‘odd’ and the CBC is one of the worst run institutions in this country.

  114. square_wheels says:

    Aron_S,

    We have an honest to goodness NHL GM now. Having said that , he’s had some shaky moments on the lower end moves (Korpse, Marincin, Reinhart) but made good on Talbot and Maroon.

    GM’s dont “win” every trade……… only NYC brokers do!! (seeing if I can get the Gentleman Backpacker to be less gentleman and more trader is fun 😛 )

  115. Water Fire says:

    Bag of Pucks: Rogers is the rights holder, lock stock and barrel. CBC makes no money off HNIC content or advertising since Rogers bought the rights. Rogers makes all the decisions since they bought the rights including on-air talent. CBC was retained as a ‘re-broadcaster’ to smooth the transition and to enable CBC to save some face over the public trust losing a hallowed institution.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/hockey-night-in-canada-how-cbc-lost-it-all/article21072643/?page=all

    And you’re right, the deal is most definitely ‘odd’ and the CBC is one of the worst run institutions in this country.

    Thanks for that and amen to the CBC being a trainwreck. My wife and I ‘really appreciate’ that we have to turn off the public broadcaster often with our children aboard.

    Just because we’re prudes and don’t feel like explaining sex and drug references to 6 year olds, who never miss an off colour Bambury riff.

  116. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide:
    When does the buyout window close on Fayne?

    To be honest if its just one of Barrie or Demers coming in, I think Fayne stays

  117. Loyal2theoil says:

    Anyone think ARI takes a couple of bad contracts from CBJ to move up to 3 and take Mr Tkachuk?

    Surely thats just a baseline for a trade, is that a possibility?

  118. Fog of Warts says:

    Staples had a small lapsus calami this morning. Sounds bad, doesn’t it? It basically means “a slip of the feather”.

    knock you threw the boards

    Some dweeb updated the phrase to lapsus clavis, a slip of the typewriter. This begs the question: what is Latin for “inner nerd”? Surely, if the Romans had a word for “typewriter”, they had a word for “nerd”, too. If not, we could settle for lapsus Graece interiorem (slip of the inner Greek). From “Greek” to “geek” in a week, wherever Romans speak. You’ll never catch me coining lapsus clavis. What a literal-minded lunk.

    I often write with the din (djin) of homophonia dialed up to eleven (heaven). Bite me, Fezzik. (My bubble-wrap sinews are spared as Fezzik tries—and fails—to work up a decisive rhyming response; after flashing me a dark look with his steely eyes, Inigo follows Fezzik into the blubbering brambles, proffering up tender words consolation, ending in “–at”).

    ———

    I recall that Goldman had a riff about a composer of the same rank as John Williams—wait, fuck it, I actually dredged this up starting from almost nothing but wisps. It was John Kander.

    My friend John Kander, who laughed at me in short-story class? John has been a first-rank composer all his life. In the theatre, no one has the melodic gift John Kander has. You have been humming him for decades, “All That Jazz”, “New York, New York”, “Cabaret”, and on and on.

    You know how Kander comes up with those melodies? He wakes up every morning of the world with music playing inside his brain. Every waking moment. And when he is given a lyric to set, all he does is dip into the constant flow of music, and there it is, a song.

    Now the hitch is this, as Kander puts it: “Sometimes the most awful horrible music you ever heard is going on inside my head all day.”

    Same with me and stories: occasionally one will pass muster, but mostly, the next day, not even close.

    Much of creativity is allowing yourself to enter into a state of mental excess, then successfully winnowing down.

    This is why I get a bit upset with myself when “through” mutates to “threw” on the way to the keyboard. Anyone else heard that “Internet” recently passed through its bar mitzvah (masculine bias alert) to become a common noun, now officially spelled “internet”? (Adulthood for words is more like a demotion.) It’s also hell on the fingers. For the next five years, after twice “internet”, once “Internet”—this is all but guaranteed to become a prolonged, insufferable ordeal of lapsus clavis flagrante.

    Anyway, my point is that when you enter into a mental surfeit of absolute crap, leakage control becomes a thing. A thing with teeth. The filter fails more than enough on misjudgment alone. Freebie floaters are not welcome.

    I’m not a grammar Nazi. I’m an absurdist satire Nazi. It’s not the lapsus linguae that terrifies (fortunately, it being a soft organ, we don’t get too much heck for this), it’s the not-unrelated slip of taste—while fishing most of your gems out of a crap bucket.

    ———

    There’s an excellent rule of thumb here: thou shalt not suffer the insufferable, given a choice.

    By this I mean, that in every case where an unwitting error slips through, as soon as it’s identified, fix it with your first breath. Like your excitable Russell Terrier barking at passing shadows, fetched back to the porch on every outburst, eventually your brainstem gets the message. “Fuck it, this asshole really is going to inconvenience me with these picayune repairs for the rest of my goddamn life!” Emphasis on “eventually”.

    Out of pragmatism, I generally make an exception for sins of omission. In the heat of composition, Bruce has dropped the odd small word lately. C’est la vie. Win some, lose some.

    In truth, the brainstem is a ruthlessly logical organ. That can be not actually be “insufferable” which you permit it to observe being suffered. Like your Russell Terrier, a mere ten second delay between cause and effect counts as proof of plodding.

    Your brainstem is a lot like Cuba Gooding Jr. in Jerry Maguire. “Show me the money!” When you become so mortified by a tiny error that you would almost curl up and die to leave the lapse un-amended for ten long seconds (think feminine garment malfunction) your brainstem is visited by the light: “Yes, Yes! Jesus H. god damned bastard Christ, I have seen the money!” (Someday I must speak to my brainstem concerning the matter of language.)

    All this because—when you’re fishing thing out of an unreasonably pressurized barrel of crap—small leakage events all too readily turn into large leakage events. In no field of daring is leakage desired.

    The Walk

    To me it’s so simple, that life should be lived on the edge of life. You have to exercise rebellion; to refuse to taper yourself to rules, to refuse your own success, to refuse to repeat yourself, to see every day, every year, every idea as a true challenge, and then you are going to live your life on a tightrope.

    Ideally, a trickle-free tightrope.

    And he
    a little charleychaplin man
    who may or may not catch
    her fair eternal form
    spreadeagled in the empty air
    of—wet schist clams

  119. digger50 says:

    Its such a contradiction. One day the conversation is about how we need but cannot find a #1 defenseman. The next day its about who we should take at #4 Dubios or Tkachuk!!!

    Isn’t one conversation the answer to the other?

    We have Connor to drive one line and Hall to drive the other. We don’t need Dubios or Tkachuk. We need to figure out Sergachev or Chychrun and just pick em.

  120. Diesel says:

    So, would you rather have Demers at 5 x 5.65 or Barrie at the cost of Nuge?

    I am not entirely convinced of Demers’ value, but I also am very reluctant to move RNH despite loving Barrie.

    What to do, what to do…

    Tambellinertia.

  121. SwedishPoster says:

    Saw a Håkan Andersson interview today where he talked about about the top 3. He said while Matthews and Laine are the better players as of now Puljujärvi isn’t nearly as physically ready as Matthews and Laine. He think it’s far from certain who’s the best of the three when they’re all fully grown. He also thought Puljujärvi should/could move into the middle because of his exceptional vision and hands, to Andersson he feels more like a natural center. Which would be interesting for CBJs. Both him and the other expert in the studio saw a lot of Mats Sundin in him. Håkan Andersson knows what he talks about when it comes to prospects so when he speak you listen.
    IF Puljujärvi falls, which he won’t, we should take him and run.

  122. LMHF#1 says:

    Diesel:
    So, would you rather have Demers at 5 x 5.65 or Barrie at the cost of Nuge?

    I am not entirely convinced of Demers’ value, but I also am very reluctant to move RNH despite loving Barrie.

    What to do, what to do…

    Tambellinertia.

    Both plus a UFA C.

  123. square_wheels says:

    SwedishPoster,

    GREAT stuff as always – look forward to you posting often !

  124. Bag of Pucks says:

    Water Fire: Thanks for that and amen to the CBC being a trainwreck. My wife and I ‘really appreciate’ that we have to turn off the public broadcaster often with our children aboard.

    Just because we’re prudes and don’t feel like explaining sex and drug references to 6 year olds, who never miss an off colour Bambury riff.

    The biggest debacle imo is the way in which they’ve failed to incubate a viable Canadian television and film industry. Comparing the BBC to the CBC is an embarrassment to Canada and the entertainment talent that resides here. Our best film and tv talent works in Hollywood cos our public broadcaster has no clue how to nurture and monetize its own intellectual property. Their latest innovation is you can now stream Kids in the Hall episodes off their website. Seriously.

  125. Centre of attention says:

    If we offer up a package centered around the 2017 first for Shattenkirk, do you think in the guaranteed year we have of him we can both devalue that pick sufficiently as well as potentially win him over into an Extention? Tee-ing off on McDavid saucer passes might change his mind? Maybe the sexy new arena as well as some winning?

    I’m probably dreaming though.

  126. v4ance says:

    http://predators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=886548

    Nashville Predators President of Hockey Operations/General Manager David Poile announced Monday that the club has acquired Minnesota’s third-round selection, 76th overall, in the 2016 NHL Draft, from the Buffalo Sabres in exchange for forward Jimmy Vesey.

    Considering Vesey was going UFA and NAS was about to lose him for nothing, this is a really good deal for the Preds. It’s rumored Vesey is looking at BOS and TOR as his main choices but BUF has a chance to sign an NHL ready player

    EDIT:

    John Vogl ‏@BuffNewsVogl 53s53 seconds ago
    John Vogl Retweeted Sabres PR
    Sabres get Jack Eichel’s highly talented friend Jimmy Vesey. Must believe/know they can sign him.

    Frank Seravalli ‏@frank_seravalli 1m1 minute ago
    #Sabres have acquired the rights to #Preds draft pick Jimmy Vesey in exchange for a third-round pick. BUF has until Aug. 15 to sign him.

  127. npanciroli says:

    I would do our 2nd 2016 and conditional 2017 1st if Shattenkirk resigns. Might be too much, might not be enough – hard to say.

  128. Lowetide says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Saw a Håkan Andersson interview today where he talked about about the top 3. He said while Matthews and Laine are the better players as of now Puljujärvi isn’t nearly as physically ready as Matthews and Laine. He think it’s far from certain who’s the best of the three when they’re all fully grown. He also thought Puljujärvi should/could move into the middle because of his exceptional vision and hands, to Andersson he feels more like a natural center. Which would be interesting for CBJs. Both him and the other expert in the studio saw a lot of Mats Sundin in him. Håkan Andersson knows what he talks about when it comes to prospects so when he speak you listen.
    IF Puljujärvi falls, which he won’t, we should take him and run.

    Outstanding!

  129. v4ance says:

    npanciroli:
    I would do our 2nd 2016 and conditional 2017 1st if Shattenkirk resigns. Might be too much, might not be enough – hard to say.

    Too much. STL is in cap trouble otherwise they’d keep Shattenkirk. If they had more room, they’d even keep Backes too. Expect a CHI-CAL Teravianen type trade for Shattenkirk

  130. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Bob McKenzie
    @TSNBobMcKenzie

    BUF GM on trading for Vesey rights: “Why not us? Why not give it a shot? We have a spot in our Top 6 for him. We had four 3rd-round picks.”

    Oilers have what- three 3rd Rd picks? Why not Lucic or Demers? We have a spot in the top 6 or top 4 D for them

  131. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Whoa

    Bob McKenzie
    @TSNBobMcKenzie

    .@MapleLeafs have acquired G Frederik Andersen from Anaheim for the 30th pick in the 2016 NHL Draft & a 2nd round pick in 2017. #TMLtalk

  132. Jon K says:

    Brownlee has an interesting article at ON today. Among other things, he suggests that there may already be a trade in place for Nail Yakupov. He also references Rishaug suggesting today that the Oilers may have a defenseman targeted that the fanbase or media hasn’t considered.

    I really wonder if Edmonton makes a trade with the Rangers. There’s a lot of history between the teams, and I imagine they are perhaps looking to move some bigger bodies in exchange for speed and scoring. I wonder if they regret moving Hagelin?

    In any case, Miller, Kreider, and Hayes are all RFA and likely fit the ideal prototype of Chiarelli wingers. It’s also worth noting that veteran RH two-way defender Kevin Klein has two more years at $2.9 million, not much more than Nail’s 2 x $2.5 million contract.

    My guess? We see something the fan base will consider borderline, such as:

    Yakupov
    2016 2nd

    for

    JT Miller
    Kevin Klein

    New York adds a power play asset and perceived scoring (plus they like those skill reclamation projects, assuming Sather still has some say). They cast off the least established of their RFA wingers, along with a minor salary dump in Klein.

    Edmonton gets a bonafide power winger and veteran RH defender in one move, while also honouring Yakupov’s trade request and only moving him and a pick. The immediate roster is improved.

  133. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes,

    That seems like a steep price. I guess not so much with the confidence in a Bernier bounce back season in Toronto.

    Anaheim had to move him. Gibson was their guy next year and going forward…. surprised they’d move 30 and then some for him.

  134. Lowetide says:

    Leafs pick up Andersen for No. 30 in 2016 and 2017 second. Nice deal.

  135. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Sirs and Ma’ams: Of course you don’t win every trade. Sooner be lucky than be good. You just do the best you can in terms of process. A good process/reasoning/backtesting to your trading results in higher potability of repeatable success. If you mess up, you take a look at the process and see what you can improve. If you win, you take a look at the process and see what you can repeat.

    Yours truly,

    The somewhat gentlemanly one.

  136. Skeeziks says:

    Given that everyone knows how difficult it is to acquire #1 or #2 D men, why do the Oilers not simply trade down and acquire either Chychrun, Juolevi or Sergachev? It is becoming very evident that they will be hard pressed to acquire such players via trade.

    In short, what is wrong with investing in high potential D prospects? (I know everybody thinks this type of investment will screw up things cap related but not necessarily, and particularly not if they develop rapidly)). Furthermore, they are potentially the best currency for future dealings when they mature.

  137. Professor Q says:

    If Toronto legitimately pursues Stamkos, now that they have their goalie, do you think they might pull a Chicago/Pittsburgh (more so than Edmonton)?

  138. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    So half of the trade I predicted came to fruition (Andersen for 30th). Now about JVR for Fowler…

  139. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Skeeziks,

    I don’t disagree with drafting these guys, I think the problem is that fans tend to forecast them as #1 or even #2 dmen.

    We have a #4, #7, and #16 pick in our top 7.

    Our top Dman (Sekera) was a third round pick, as was Davidson.

    Agreed that the most likely guys to achieve top pairing status are top 10 picks, but it’s far less likely that a top 10 Dman becomes a top pairing Dman than a forward picked in the top 10 becomes a first/second line guy.

    Heck, the average Norris trophy winner over the past few years was a second round pick. Not the case for the Hart trophy winner, that tends to be a top 3 pick.

    So, again, totally fine with picking D in the top 10, but let’s just realise that even if we wait five years it’s more likely than not that they aren’t elite players.

  140. Loyal2theoil says:

    Jon K,

    Considering Chia and Bowman picked Miller on the U23 team i wouldnt be surprised

  141. Loyal2theoil says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!,

    Davidson was a 6th round pick

  142. Jon K says:

    Skeeziks:
    Given that everyone knows how difficult it is to acquire #1 or #2 D men, why do the Oilers not simply trade down and acquire either Chychrun, Juolevi or Sergachev? It is becoming very evident that they will be hard pressed to acquire such players via trade.

    In short, what is wrong with investing in high potential D prospects? (I know everybody thinks this type of investment will screw up things cap related but not necessarily, and particularly not if they develop rapidly)). Furthermore, they are potentially the best currency for future dealings when they mature.

    The problem is that any defender you draft now can’t be relied upon to help the oilers within the McDavid window.

    Unless the player is an absolute stud talent (Doughty/Ekblad type), you generally shouldn’t project them to the NHL before the expiration of their ELC. Even then, it’s arguable that most defenders don’t “help” their team until they’ve got a few hundred games under their belts.

    Some within the blogging community have suggested it’s never really a good idea to spend high picks on defenders or goalies. You spend 7 or so years developing them and by then they are UFA. So, only a few years of service and utility as opposed to drafted forwards who can sometimes help very quickly.

  143. Loyal2theoil says:

    Good deal for the Leafs, but it reminds us how big of a steal Cam Talbot was

    Anderson trade
    2016 30th OVR pick
    2017 2nd

    Talbot trade

    2015 2nd
    2015 3rd
    2015 7th

  144. Loyal2theoil says:

    Florida working on a trade to acquire rights to NYR UFA Keith Yandle as per Friedman

  145. Магия 10 says:

    v4ance: Frank Seravalli ‏@frank_seravalli 1m1 minute ago
    #Sabres have acquired the rights to #Preds draft pick Jimmy Vesey in exchange for a third-round pick. BUF has until Aug. 15 to sign him.

    The record for UFA’s with expiring contracts is apparently a conditional 4th rounder.

    College Free agent with no prior contracts are a bit different. Carolina gave up a 2nd for Riley Nash. In this case the rights are good for 2 months and they will be offering max ELC, so no motive to hold out for dollars. I’d assume Columbus already let Buffalo talk to the kid.

  146. Магия 10 says:

    Professor Q:
    If Toronto legitimately pursues Stamkos, now that they have their goalie, do you think they might pull a Chicago/Pittsburgh (more so than Edmonton)?

    Not if the Oil have the sense to retain their elite LW.

  147. square_wheels says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes,

    Phew, at least it wasnt Calgary getting a great goalie.

    Please FLEURY in red/yellow. PLEASE.

  148. Магия 10 says:

    Loyal2theoil:
    Good deal for the Leafs, but it reminds us how big of a steal Cam Talbot was

    Anderson trade
    2016 30th OVR pick
    2017 2nd

    Talbot trade

    2015 2nd
    2015 3rd
    2015 7th

    Yes.

    2015 2nd (57)
    2015 3rd (79)
    2015 7th (184)

  149. Centre of attention says:

    Panthers get the rights to Yandle for a pick conditional on whether or not he signs.

    The Oilers should go ahead and do that with Demers, show him the new arena and what not.

  150. Bag of Pucks says:

    Skeeziks:
    Given that everyone knows how difficult it is to acquire #1 or #2 D men, why do the Oilers not simply trade down and acquire either Chychrun, Juolevi or Sergachev? It is becoming very evident that they will be hard pressed to acquire such players via trade.

    In short, what is wrong with investing in high potential D prospects? (I know everybody thinks this type of investment will screw up things cap related but not necessarily, and particularly not if they develop rapidly)). Furthermore, they are potentially the best currency for future dealings when they mature.

    The odds of the player being an elite, impact player decrease substantially after you leave the Top 5 lottery spots. The Oilers lack depth at every position outside LD and C. This pick should be a guaranteed elite player, on a cap friendly ELC, that fits with the McDavid cluster, and most likely, fills a roster need. We suffered for this pick. Let’s not swap it out for magic beans.

    Plus, the benefit of this pick is it gives you an immediate insurance for a player like Eberle or Nuge who you can then swap for a legitimate top pairing D. No one’s giving you that player to move up 4 or 5 spots. And yes, Eberle would require a sweetener. He doesn’t bring in a top pairing D on his own unless it’s a guy near the end of the road or one with warts (bad contract, one dimensional, etc.)

    Btw, the Oilers didn’t start acquiring actual D prospects until they started drafting them in the first round again. Funny how this fanbase can absolutely drool over a player like Lindholm and in the same breath say you should never draft a D with a high pick. Rather than clinging to those tropes, I think you should challenge your scouting department to identify the best talent regardless of position. Otherwise you write off the Carey Price’s and Drew Doughty’s of this world before the draft even starts. The fact that teams haven’t traditionally drafted D or Gs effectively shouldn’t be seen as an impossible obstacle, it should be viewed as an opportunity for those orgs smart enough to crack the code. That’s Contrarian Thinking 101.

  151. Professor Q says:

    So if the Bruins offered #29 for Kulikov, and the Leafs traded #30 for Andersen, could this be a wave of pick trading today, around that range?

  152. Loyal2theoil says:

    THE DOMINOES ARE FALLING

    Boston reportedly has offered the 29th OVR pick in 2016 as a starting point to acquire Dymitri Kulikov

  153. square_wheels says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I was just looking for someone to call me Sir………made my day b/c usually I’m just the prick.

    Orwell’s quote nailed to my wall – “If the intellectual liberty which without a doubt has been one of the distinguishing marks of western civilisation means anything at all, it means that everyone shall have the right to say and to print what he believes to be the truth, provided only that it does not harm the rest of the community in some quite unmistakable way.”

  154. square_wheels says:

    Jon K,

    DONE AND DONE – run away laughing

  155. rickithebear says:

    Магия 10: Yes.

    2015 2nd (57)
    2015 3rd (79)
    2015 7th (184)

    Talbot’s med and High chance save % was the 5th best over last 3 years.
    the perfect cup anchor goalie.

    Anderson faced low HSC shot counts behind the the 4 top 40 HSCA ancor D. lindholm; Stoner; Manson; Vatanen.
    his med and High Chance shot save % was below the league average.

  156. spoiler says:

    Fog of Warts,

    I’m sure you’ve heard this many times before, but your post brings it to mind…

    “I was working on the proof of one of my poems all the morning and took out a comma. In the afternoon—well, I put it back again.”

    –attributed to Awescar Wilde, just to add to the homophonia… not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  157. Lowetide says:

    Yandle deal is interesting, may mean Campbell shakes free. That would be interesting for the Oilers.

  158. Lowetide says:

    5.5M a year for Andersen. Talbot.

  159. spoiler says:

    Lowetide,

    That’s the first thing that went through my head too.

    But it also makes me wonder what Campbell’s ask is. If FLA knows he’s useful, why make a move towards the unknown entity, unless the known is pricing himself off the team?

  160. Seismic Source says:

    Halfwise: Quaker oatmeal had Brimley as a spokesman. His grandfatherly character would tell us “It’s the right thing to do.”

    Late 1980s maybe.

    I think the entire phrase was “It’s the right thing to do, and a heck of a way to do it. ”

    I had nightmares in my pre-teens of coming home on report card day and having to show Wilford Brimley my shitty grades. I couldn’t imagine anything more terrifying at the time.

  161. Centre of attention says:

    Oilers signed Oesterle to a one year extension. Kid has the wheels and from what I’ve been reading he is great at zone exits as well.

  162. Bag of Pucks says:

    Btw, given that the Oilogosphere is frequently mentioned as one of the innovative beacons in the analytics realm, I would think ‘cracking the code’ on better projecting draft eligible G & D prospects would be a worthwhile endeavour should the luminaries in this community decide to apply their talents/efforts on a collective mission.

    Not only would the home side stand to benefit should you figure out the ‘secret sauce’ ingredient, but you could probably sell it for a pretty penny too. Unfortunately the latter only should you choose to keep it a secret.

    What qualities (as measured quantitatively AND qualitatively) did Erik Karlsson, Duncan Keith, Nicklas Lidstrom, Shayne Gostibehre, Kris Letang, ME Vlasic all have in common at the age of 17 that predicted their future success in the NHL?

    Answer that question and you will be wealthy, wealthy, men (and ladies) : )

  163. OF17 says:

    Really impressed with what Shanahan and company have done with the Leafs. They seem to be doing a rebuild the right way. Trade everyone you don’t see having a future there (Kessel, Phaneuf, Polak, Reimer, etc) for picks and prospects. Then, use those picks not only to build up a prospect pool but also to make smart bets on guys like Andersen and Marincin. At the same time, you bring in veteran voices like Brooks Laich and Milan Michalek (while extracting value for the pleasure). This is what Tambellini was supposed to be doing.

    If I’m Stamkos, Toronto is probably the most attractive place for me. They have the room to pay him, they have two of the most respected men in hockey in Babcock and Lamoriello at the helm, there’s a ton of good young talent in Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, and Kadri, and there’s a spot at C 5v5 and in the Ovechkin spot with Matthews playing Backstrom on the PP. Plus it’s his home town. I know we’d all like to play for the Oilers.

    Suffice to say I’m impressed. If Toronto turns it around before Edmonton does…

  164. OF17 says:

    Lowetide:
    5.5M a year for Andersen. Talbot.

    Holy crap! I just spent a post gushing but maybe I was a bit premature. Seems a million and a bit too much. Doesn’t ruin the deal but does put a stain on it.

  165. fifthcartel says:

    Holy, 5.5m is a lot.

    Also, hoping Florida signs Yandle. Doubt they’d be players for both Yandle and Demers.

  166. Ray says:

    Garrioch claims that Florida is shopping Bjugstad?

    Yes please!

  167. Магия 10 says:

    Centre of attention:
    Panthers get the rights to Yandle for a pick conditional on whether or not he signs.

    The Oilers should go ahead and do that with Demers, show him the new arena and what not.

    Another conditional 4th.

    CapFriendly ‏@CapFriendly 9m9 minutes ago
    TRADE:

    To #Panthers:
    Keith Yandle – negotiating rights

    To #Rangers:
    FLA 2016 6th RD
    FLA 2017 4th RD (conditional on Yandle signing in FLA)

  168. Ducey says:

    OF17:
    Really impressed with what Shanahan and company have done with the Leafs. They seem to be doing a rebuild the right way. Trade everyone you don’t see having a future there (Kessel, Phaneuf, Polak, Reimer, etc) for picks and prospects. Then, use those picks not only to build up a prospect pool but also to make smart bets on guys like Andersen and Marincin. At the same time, you bring in veteran voices like Brooks Laich and Milan Michalek (while extracting value for the pleasure). This is what Tambellini was supposed to be doing.

    If I’m Stamkos, Toronto is probably the most attractive place for me. They have the room to pay him, they have two of the most respected men in hockey in Babcock and Lamoriello at the helm, there’s a ton of good young talent in Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, and Kadri, and there’s a spot at C 5v5 and in the Ovechkin spot with Matthews playing Backstrom on the PP. Plus it’s his home town. I know we’d all like to play for the Oilers.

    Suffice to say I’m impressed. If Toronto turns it around before Edmonton does…

    They may. Lord knows when we come in from the wilderness. But I guess that TOR will be undone by the big game hunting and media fishbowl. They just can’t help themselves.

  169. OF17 says:

    Centre of attention: He would make a fine 3rd line center. Yakupov in a one-for-one?

    He’s a 23 year old 6’6″ RHC with 5 years on his deal that has never scored below 0.5PPG in a season. He would cost significantly more than Yakupov, and it might be worth it.

    Why would Florida move him? I guess Trocheck is looking to get paid. But what would they want in return?

  170. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ducey: They may. Lord knows when we come in from the wilderness. But I guess that TOR will be undone by the big game hunting and media fishbowl. They just can’t help themselves.

    What if their rebuild runs into the same problem as the Oil’s (i.e. eventually you gotta play the young’uns with no shelter and they get thrown to the wolves)? That seems to be the problem with the full tear-down. You’re living in a house for a couple years with no windows or walls.

    Where I think the Leafs are really getting it right is with the management structure and coaching stability and overall vision/methodology. It may or not work, but unlike LoweBelliniTavSon, they’ll have a plan at least.

  171. Centre of attention says:

    OF17: He’s a 23 year old 6’6″ RHC with 5 years on his deal that has never scored below 0.5PPG in a season. He would cost significantly more than Yakupov, and it might be worth it.

    Why would Florida move him? I guess Trocheck is looking to get paid. But what would they want in return?

    Agree it would take more than Yak now that I did a little more digging. he scored 24 goals the other season. Not too bad at all.

    The Panthers did hint at big changes so who knows what their final image is.

  172. Bank Shot says:

    Too bad about Yandle. I think he was one of the best three options for the Oilers.

    Almost all of the guys that are speculated to possibly be in play aren’t going to move.

  173. Todd Macallan says:

    Interesting day so far. Great and unsurprising news of Oesterle being resigned. Disappointing, and unfortunately also unsurprising news of Ethan Bear not being included on the WJC summer camp roster. Also not included were Nic Meloche and Andrew Neilsen.

    Dmen invited include Connor Hobbs, Cal Foote and Phillipe Myers. It’s ok, these names hardly ring a bell for me as well. Keep up the good scouting work Hockey Canada. End rant.

  174. Магия 10 says:

    v4ance:
    whoo hoo!1st trade of the day!

    http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=886527

    Coyotes Acquire Sharks’ 2016 4th Round Draft Choice & 2017 3rd Round Draft Choice in Exchange for Letunov & 2017 6th Round Draft Choice

    Go Mirtle!

    Apparently the Yotes can use that 4th to save a 3rd due to Yandle and Gagner trades:

    http://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Future/Coyotes.htm

    Coyotes Round 4

    “Rangers traded • John Moore • Anthony Duclair • 2015 second round pick (#60-Oliver Kylington) • 2016 first round pick (lottery protected in 2016, unprotected in 2017) (?-?) to Coyotes for • Keith Yandle • Chris Summers • 2016 fourth round pick (?-?) on 2015-03-01

    …Flyers traded • Nicklas Grossmann • Chris Pronger to Coyotes for • Sam Gagner • draft pick (Coyotes option of 2016 fourth round or 2017 third round) (?-?) on 2015-06-27

    Coyotes do not currently own a 2016 fourth round pick. If they acquire one, they have the option of sending it to Flyers. Otherwise they must sent a 2017 third round pick.”

  175. OF17 says:

    Centre of attention: Agree it would take more than Yak now that I did a little more digging. he scored 24 goals the other season. Not too bad at all.

    The Panthers did hint at big changes so who knows what their final image is.

    Yeah, I see going back you deleted your post. Would you like me to change my reply to reflect that? If so, no problem.

    Bjugstad would be a great add. Pretty much ideal for that RHC role we’ve been talking about. No idea what we could realistically offer them that would move the needle though. Maybe Nurse? For Bjugstad, I’d think about it, that’s for sure.

  176. Younger Oil says:

    At $585K I think I’d prefer Oesterle in the NHL as a 7D, and send Nurse and Reinhart to the AHL for some much needed seasoning (if they both are still Oilers by the end of the summer that is).

  177. skidplate says:

    Could someone pleaae post the nhle multiplier as I cannot figure out this dropbox downloady thingy.

  178. Water Fire says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Saw a Håkan Andersson interview today where he talked about about the top 3. He said while Matthews and Laine are the better players as of now Puljujärvi isn’t nearly as physically ready as Matthews and Laine. He think it’s far from certain who’s the best of the three when they’re all fully grown. He also thought Puljujärvi should/could move into the middle because of his exceptional vision and hands, to Andersson he feels more like a natural center. Which would be interesting for CBJs. Both him and the other expert in the studio saw a lot of Mats Sundin in him. Håkan Andersson knows what he talks about when it comes to prospects so when he speak you listen.
    IF Puljujärvi falls, which he won’t, we should take him and run.

    Great thanks. Any thoughts if he’s ready for the NHL physically?

  179. Centre of attention says:

    OF17: Yeah, I see going back you deleted your post. Would you like me to change my reply to reflect that? If so, no problem.

    Bjugstad would be a great add. Pretty much ideal for that RHC role we’ve been talking about. No idea what we could realistically offer them that would move the needle though. Maybe Nurse? For Bjugstad, I’d think about it, that’s for sure.

    Oh haha I went to edit it I must of erased it my bad. I don’t mind either way, you got what I meant 🙂

    Bjugstad can play on my team any day of the week.

  180. Lowetide says:

    spoiler:
    Lowetide,

    That’s the first thing that went through my head too.

    But it also makes me wonder what Campbell’s ask is.If FLA knows he’s useful, why make a move towards the unknown entity, unless the known is pricing himself off the team?

    Good point. I would rather pay him more short than less long.

  181. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Lowetide,

    The sticking point according to those that follow the Panthers appears to be that Campbell is seeking a three year deal.
    The Cats are adamant about it being 2 years, preferably a one year deal.
    But some team in free agency will likely go 3 years and Campbell knows that.

  182. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Centre of attention,

    Bjugstad is talented offensively.
    However, he is not tough on the boards, or defensively and I think the Panthers may be hoping to ditch him for a scoring winger and then bring in a Backes type to anchor their 3rd line.
    Bjugstad also has recurring back issues and concussion/migraine issues, so maybe they are looking to unload him before the inevitable injuries get the best of him.

  183. spoiler says:

    OF17: He’s a 23 year old 6’6″ RHC with 5 years on his deal that has never scored below 0.5PPG in a season. He would cost significantly more than Yakupov, and it might be worth it.
    Why would Florida move him? I guess Trocheck is looking to get paid. But what would they want in return?

    FLA, according to reports, has gone All-in on Analytics.

    And IIRC Bjugstad is a player who has usually shown well in that regard.

    I wonder what they’re seeing that we’re not?

  184. skidplate says:

    fifthcartel,

    I guess so, but the numbers seem quite a bit different than the ones I found online.
    OHL and WHL were 0.3
    KHL 0.83
    SEL 0.78
    FHL 0.54
    AHL 0.44
    NCAA 0.41
    QMJHL 0.28
    USHL 0.27
    AJHL 0.16
    BCHL 0.14

  185. OF17 says:

    spoiler: FLA, according to reports, has gone All-in on Analytics.

    And IIRC Bjugstad is a player who has usually shown well in that regard.

    I wonder what they’re seeing that we’re not?

    Yeah, this rumor doesn’t pass the smell test for me. Only way I see it is if Trocheck is looking to get paid and Florida has chosen him over Bjugstad. Even then, why not just move Bjugstad or Trocheck into the Purcell spot?

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