DRAFT POST 14: EVERY HOUR MARKED BY THE CHIME OF A CLOCK

We found out today that Milan Lucic is heading to free agency, and as we have discussed, the Oilers are likely to be in that conversation. I will tell you, I think they get him.

TAYLOR HALL 15-16

  • 5×5 points per 60: 2.31
  • 5×4 points per 60: 3.28
  • Corsi For 5×5 %: 51.7 (2nd among regular forwards)
  • Qual Comp:  toughest among regular forwards (1line opp)
  • Qual Team: best teammates among regular forwards (top line)
  • Corsi Rel: 12.1 (best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 286/9.1
  • Boxcars: 82gp, 26-39-65

MILAN LUCIC 2015-16

  • 5×5 points per 60: 2.04
  • 5×4 points per 60: 2.83
  • Corsi For 5×5 %: 59.3 (No. 2 among regular forwards)
  • Qual Comp:  toughest among regular forwards (1line opp)
  • Qual Team: best teammates among regular forwards (top line)
  • Corsi Rel: 11.4 (No. 2 among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 124/16.1
  • Boxcars: 81gp, 20-35-55

(All numbers via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com and BehindtheNet.ca)

Taylor Hall is the better hockey player. Hall pushes the river—Milan Lucic is the Coke Machine they tease you with on the showroom floor. They are not similar players (look at that shots on goal comp) and ideally you want both of them on the same team. I think most of us would like to see McDavid on one line and Hall on another, and that is absolutely ideal. I like Lucic, believe they will sign Lucic, but trading Hall is not a good idea. Can Chiarelli keep both? We wait.

I think most will assume Hall is the target for Montreal if the two teams come together on a deal. It has never made sense to me. I spoke to Jen Lute Costella early in spring about Hall, and the similarities between he and Max Pacioretty are real. If you are Edmonton, trading for P.K. Subban, I think it takes a little from columns A, B and C:

  • Trading down from No. 4 to Montreal’s spot (No. 9).
  • Trading one of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or Leon Draisaitl.
  • Trading one of Oscar Klefbom or Darnell Nurse.

And you know what? That still might not get it done. And you know what else? That might be good—Subban’s contract is actual Everest.

If you are still worried about Hall being dealt, this should make you feel better. Frank Seravalli, who will join me tomorrow at 11:25, has his new list out and Hall (plus Nuge) have moved down:

  • No. 4—Edmonton’s No. 4 overall selection
  • No. 7—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (was No. 1)
  • No. 15—Jordan Eberle
  • No. 22—Nail Yakupov
  • No. 25—Taylor Hall

Now, please read Frank’s article or I will feel guilty.

I mentioned this on the air today but for me it is a case where McDavid earned the Calder, warrants the Calder, but will not win it. Big blog hug, smile through the pain, we are all going for ice cream after it is over.

EXPANSION DRAFT

The Oilers are going to lose a player. It is not the player you think it is. The player you think it is? They are trading that guy. Making roster decisions today—designed to address your roster for the expansion draft in 2017—is like telling your sales force the next 12 months don’t matter. Why would you do that?

 

 

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153 Responses to "DRAFT POST 14: EVERY HOUR MARKED BY THE CHIME OF A CLOCK"

  1. Tarkus says:

    So….no Draft Post 13, huh?

  2. theDjdj says:

    Subban is a terrific player. He’s probably my favourite character in the NHL. However that contract and those chips just aren’t worth it. We’d trade in all depth for one player and the King Midas contract.

  3. jake70 says:

    Ouch….Will Arnett: Las Vegas is the new home of hockey….wonder where it will go next? Edmonton?

  4. jake70 says:

    Panarin with the Calder

  5. theDjdj says:

    Panarin won the Calder. We still have McDavid though. So can’t be too upset. Don’t worry McDavid, Papa Chia is going to buy you a talking bird and some Coke Machines.

  6. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    From the tail end of the last thread.

    On another note…
    I said this before and I will say it again. The very best “sell high” asset on the Oilers right now is 4th overall. It has PEAK value when CBJ makes its pick or trades it. At that point you have the maximum leverage on that asset.
    Let’s play a little trading game, like the stock market and inflated or deflated asset values.

    If I were to rank pieces that are around on the Oilers in terms of perceived value relative to actual value, it goes something like this. And HUGE DISCLAIMER: I am not saying you should trade Klef, #4 or Leon or Nurse or anyone. I am saying that these are assets where perceived value MAY be higher than actual value in the long run.

    The category of: you MAY win a trade with another GM on these assets because they are highly valued relative to what they have proven in the NHL.

    1) 4th overall (perceived value is highest relative to likely value once the 3rd pick is made)

    2) Oscar Klefbom (perceived value is high because of top pairing results in a very small sample size, bargain contract. Why *might *he be overvalued by the league? Injury risk and small sample sizes may mean he doesn’t turn into a top pairing guy long-term after all).

    3) Leon Draisaitl (perceived value is high relative because of size and 40-game run with Hall, still on ELC, and potential. Why *might* he be overvalued by the league? Hall-Nuge-Leon ripped the League a new one on their run together. Maybe he tops out in terms of point-production and plateaus away from that combo. We don’t know. Question marks remain due to sample size)

    4) Darnell Nurse (perceived value is medium-high relative because of size, gritensity, skating, draft pedigree, athletic bloodlines. He still has high value around the League even though he *may* never become more than a modern Jason Smith while he may be valued as a young, future stud).

    5) Patrick Maroon (perceived value is higher than his probable value because of his impossible-to-repeat shooting percentage and point surge playing with McDavid on a small sample size. He is more likely a good 3LW, not a Pouliot-level top 6 option).

    Here we move into “close to fairly valued” No reason to trade these two.

    6) Taylor Hall
    7) Connor McDavid

    Here we move into “likely undervalued” –don’t trade from this pile unless you get a surprisingly strong offer, because it is likely the League doesn’t value these guys as much as they should.

    8) Jordan Eberle. (perceived value is lower than his actual value because people harp on his lack of commitment to D. Hardest thing to do in the game is score goals. Ederle does it. Undervalued. Why isn’t he more undervalued? Because $6M is full value for what he brings. If his contract were cheaper he would be more undervalued.

    9) Nuge (perceived value is lower than his actual value due to injuries and his plateauing offense. Because he hasn’t become the 70-point 2-way guy we hoped he would be (yet) perception has soured on him–the recent Sporting News piece had him going 7th in a redraft. Yeah right. He is still a top-3 talent in that draft. Undervalued.

    10) Pouliot (perceived value is low. The guy is a possession monster and brings a lot of good aspects to his game. He gets devalued because of very visible offensive zone penalties and a GM that doesn’t seem to like him (also in Boston). He also gets hurt every year. I could see him being moved for very little coming the other way, and a team could buy low on him nicely.

    11) Yakupov (perceived value is rock bottom. Would he fetch a couple of 2nds at this point? Apparently not. We know why he has been devalued. His play, his circumstances, his trade request. He won’t bring much back in a trade. He still has some upside and my become a 25-goal man one day on another team. If a team gets him for a song at this point, they have low risk and high reward.

    12) Reinhart (perceived value is low. He came in and struggled. People dump on him because of the price paid to acquire him. He wouldn’t fetch close to what was paid for him in a trade now, so his value is very low relative to what he was worth a year ago. A good year spent in the NHL and building his game could rehab his value).
    Your currency may vary. Again, I am not saying you should trade from Pile 1 and not from Pile 3 or anything, but if you were strictly trying to follow the principle of sell high / buy low, Pile 1 is in the possible sell high category, Pile 3 is in the buy low category. If I were another team’s GM and I was looking to deal with Chia, I would be bargain-hunting from Pile 3. Would love me a Pouliot for a pick, and Yak for a song.

  7. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Congrats to Artemi on the Calder. Well deserved. Glad it wasn’t Ghost. That would have rubbed me more the wrong way because the only reason McDavid lost out was games played.

  8. Mr DeBakey says:

    From this morning’s thread

    I think we can guess…If they make the pick, it is Matt Tkachuk.

    If it was the Old Boys Club, you wouldn’t have to guess.
    Young Del Grande won’t draft like puke, it’ll be DuBois.

    ***
    Lucic to the Ducks. He can keep his pad, man.

    ***
    What’s up with British Isles at Euro 2016? It must be a tough week to be Scottish.

    ***
    4 & Yakupov for Severson & 41?

  9. Chachi says:

    Edmonton Oilers
    22s22 seconds ago
    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers
    Calder Trophy voting breakdown:
    1. Panarin 1258 (88-41-16-3-2)
    2. Gostisbehere 955 (33-53-42-12-8)
    3. McDavid 858 (25-45-48-15-8)
    #NHLAwards

  10. Richard S.S. says:

    And so the crazy begins.
    Lowetide:
    What do they have you doing in Radio and TV during the next 3-4 days? Or do the Powers That Be keep adding more?
    McDavid got cheated in the Calder. If he’s on an American Team, he’s the hands-down winner.

  11. Chachi says:

    Gostisbehere (sure hope I spelled that correctly!) got more first place votes than McDavid. Ha!

  12. Lowetide says:

    Richard S.S.:
    And so the crazy begins.
    Lowetide:
    What do they have you doing in Radio and TV during the next 3-4 days?Or do the Powers That Be keep adding more?
    McDavid got cheated in the Calder.If he’ on an American Team, he’s the hands-down winner.

    10-noon tomorrow and Friday, mock draft tomorrow (with Paul) and Seravalli, Woodguy and others on Friday. Saturday, I will join Guy Flaming at 11am during his show and then noon-2 it is Paul and I wrapping up the draft.

  13. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Richard S.S.:
    And so the crazy begins.
    Lowetide:
    What do they have you doing in Radio and TV during the next 3-4 days?Or do the Powers That Be keep adding more?
    McDavid got cheated in the Calder.If he played 60 games, he’s the hands-down winner.

    Fixed that for you. The media wanted to make a case for McDavid. Nothing to do with American team or not, come on now. It has everything to do with only playing 45 games.

  14. Mr DeBakey says:

    Chachi:
    Gostisbehere (sure hope I spelled that correctly!) got more first place votes. Ha!

    Is it the media guys who vote on this?
    Cuz they’re sure to vote him to the All Star tem at LW too.

  15. Younger Oil says:

    The 8 people who said McDavid was the 5th best rookie this season should be fired.

    Into the sun.

  16. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Sorry, fixed ugly wall of text.

  17. Chachi says:

    Younger Oil:
    The 8 people who said McDavid was the 5th best rookie this season should be fired.

    Into the sun.

    Yes, yes they should.

  18. Richard S.S. says:

    Lowetide,

    Thank You Lowetide. Your Monday show should be explosive.

  19. Richard S.S. says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Thank You, Thank You, Thank You.

  20. franksterra says:

    PK.

    See Woodguy’s post from the last thread.

    Imagine Hall on one line, McDavid on another and PK behind them both

    And the bit about all the recent cup winners spending half their cap space on 5 elite players, and carefully managing the rest.

    Compelling, Everest or no.

  21. theDjdj says:

    Chachi:
    Edmonton Oilers
    22s22 seconds ago
    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers
    Calder Trophy voting breakdown:
    1. Panarin 1258 (88-41-16-3-2)
    2. Gostisbehere 955 (33-53-42-12-8)
    3. McDavid 858 (25-45-48-15-8)
    #NHLAwards

    Gostisbehere outvoting McDavid is a perfect example of why the Calder means shit all.

  22. spoiler says:

    Mr DeBakey: Lucic to the Ducks. He can keep his pad, man.

    I am virtually certain that is where he will end up.

  23. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    LT, my post got marked as spam and disappeared. I was cleaning up the ugly wall of text when it happened. It had no links. And no references to v. er. dad. Weird.

  24. bobinyvr says:

    In case anyone is interested, a new website just launched http://www.prohockeyrumors.com/

    From the same folks behind http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

    I’ve followed mlbtraderumors a lot over the last half dozen years and them seem very capable and responsible about gathering and parsing the rumors from very credible named sources. They also do a lot of analysis about players and contracts, free agency, etc.

    Early days, but with draft and free agency coming right up, it might be worth a follow to see how well they deliver on news and analysis.

  25. Магия 10 says:

    “Frank Seravalli, who will join me tomorrow at 11:25, has his new list out and Hall (plus Nuge) have moved down” (LT)

    LT,

    I don’t see Hall on his PREVIOUS list:

    http://www.tsn.ca/buckle-up-for-a-busy-month-of-trade-activity-1.500124

    The feel good part is he near the bottom of the new list just below Lindholm and a little above Subban.

    update:

    I doubt Hall or Subban or Lindholm are seriously in play:

    http://www.anaheimcalling.com/2016/6/22/12004028/nhl-trade-rumors-anaheim-ducks-blueliners-cam-fowler-hampus-lindholm-could-be-in-play

  26. stush18 says:

    Hey LT, what’s the plan in Friday? One raft post in the morning and another after the draft? New post with every trade?

  27. JDï™ says:

    Younger Oil: The 8 people who said McDavid was the 5th best rookie this season should be fired.

    Ladies and germs – youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrr PHWA!

  28. Магия 10 says:

    “We found out today that Milan Lucic is heading to free agency, and as we have discussed, the Oilers are likely to be in that conversation. I will tell you, I think they get him.” (LT)

    The problem with that is that you have to throw as many years at him as that crazy Jim Benning will.

  29. spoiler says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    LT, my post got marked as spam and disappeared. I was cleaning up the ugly wall of text when it happened. It had no links. And no references to v. er. dad. Weird.

    He has a couple of words that are banned too.

    Lol… He’s probably out on the deck barbequing right about now.

  30. rickithebear says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Congrats to Artemion the Calder. Well deserved. Glad it wasn’t Ghost. That would have rubbed me more the wrong way because the only reason McDavid lost out was games played.

    rookies compared to their peers (modern era)

    Mcdavid (18 in jan) 1.07 PPG 5th best of modern era
    Panarin (24 in jan) .96 PPG 131 st best of modern era.

  31. Lowetide says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    LT, my post got marked as spam and disappeared. I was cleaning up the ugly wall of text when it happened. It had no links. And no references to v. er. dad. Weird.

    I think it is back now.

  32. OF17 says:

    NYCOIL,

    I say come Saturday we short picks 10-30 while the value is still high. What say you?

  33. jm363561 says:

    I just do not get:

    If you have Hall, Pouliot, Maroon, and (if you draft) Tkachuk, why would you go for Lucic at $6m’ish. How many LW can you trade?
    Why you would trade big time assets for Shattenkirk for one year.
    How the Oilers can possibly pay McDavid, Drai, Nurse, the Austins, let alone Lucic or Subban / Shattenkirk, in a couple of years. Throw in Sekera, Klefbom and Talbot and that’s $60m+ for just 11 players.

    Forget Lucic, Shattenkirk or Subban. Go all in for Demers or trade an Austin / pick 4 for a top RHD, and complete LT’s To Do list from those who shake loose later in the year.

  34. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Stauffer threw out Yakupov+3rd for Severson on the show, as he does many throwaway hypothetical deals. If even close to that is on the table man you somersault to the phone to say yes.

    What if they asked Yakupov+Davidson?

  35. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    OF17:
    NYCOIL,

    I say come Saturday we short picks 10-30 while the value is still high. What say you?

    Ha ha. It was a reference to the last thread where someone suggested pick #4 might be the most valuable asset to trade.

    And markets are closed on Saturday so it would be tough to hedge your short. 😉

  36. gogliano says:

    jm363561:
    I just do not get:

    If you have Hall, Pouliot, Maroon, and (if you draft) Tkachuk, why would you go for Lucic at $6m’ish. How many LW can you trade?
    Why you would trade big time assets for Shattenkirk for one year.
    How the Oilers can possibly pay McDavid, Drai, Nurse, the Austins, let alone Lucic or Subban / Shattenkirk, in a couple of years. Throw in Sekera, Klefbom and Talbot and that’s $60m+ for just 11 players.

    Forget Lucic, Shattenkirk or Subban. Go all in for Demers or trade an Austin / pick 4 for a top RHD, and complete LT’s To Do list from those who shake loose later in the year.

    If Chia grabs Lucic, my ideal scenario would be finding the dollars by trading Pouliot (nice player, really hate the O zone penalties) and cheaping out on the backup goalie by waiting out the market and picking up an able goalie who is left looking for a chair after the music is nearing a close. That’s close to the 6 million.

    Tkachuk, if drafted, goes to the minors as should anyone they pick and wouldn’t be a real problem re needing minutes until year 3 or more. Year two he’d be a nice fit on the THIRD SCORING LINE.

    Still don’t see the rationale but subtracting Pouliout rather than Hall keeps LW as a serious position of strength.

  37. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    gogliano: Pouliot (nice player, really hate the O zone penalties)

    Ha.

  38. PaperDesigner says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Stauffer threw out Yakupov+3rd for Severson on the show, as he does many throwaway hypothetical deals. If even close to that is on the table man you somersault to the phone to say yes.

    What if they asked Yakupov+Davidson?

    With the upcoming expansion draft, I think you make that deal 11 times out of 10.

  39. gogliano says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Ha.

    Yes, we were forewarned I recall.

  40. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    gogliano: Yes, we were forewarned I recall.

    Friday can’t come soon enough.

  41. godot10 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Stauffer threw out Yakupov+3rd for Severson on the show, as he does many throwaway hypothetical deals. If even close to that is on the table man you somersault to the phone to say yes.

    What if they asked Yakupov+Davidson?

    Davidson is better than Severson.

  42. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    I agree 100% on all points LT. I’m hard on Hall but a 1-2 punch of Lucic and Hall would be stellar. Pouliot, Yak and Eberle if need be should be moved for a RHD not Hall. I love Tkachuk but if we sign Lucic move the damn pick if you have to. I just think Chia is going to be tempted with a Hamonic++ deal for Hall. Hope I’m wrong wouldn’t be shocked if I’m right.

    Love the Yakupov+3rd for Severson idea too btw. Dammit, I wish I could sleep now and wake up Friday

  43. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    godot10: Davidson is better than Severson.

    I wonder though, if a swap could be made. Davidson for Severson, straight across. Handedness issues addressed.

    Klefbom-acquistion
    Sekera- Fayne
    Reinhart-Severson
    Oesterle/Nurse

    Davidson might be better than Severson or might not, but one less need for a right-hander.

  44. Richard S.S. says:

    When you have Connor McDavid, you shouldn’t need Stamkos, McDavid’s better. If he costs more than McDavid will, you can’t sign him even if he wants to be here. What you do need is 12 more Players who can form a strong top nine. The Oilers aren’t there yet, but that won’t happen.

    When you have Cam Talbot you have a quality #1 Goaltender, you don’t need Price. The Oilers’ Goalie shouldn’t have to be that good, just work harder and be luckier. But then that’s why you need Price, but that won’t happen.

    The remaining 20 or so Players are either good enough or are not good enough to be on Connor’s Team. That’s not significant right now, because of a shortage of quality Defenseman. Until that get’s fixed, forwards don’t matter.

    Andrej Sekera is a quality left-shot Defender who can play up, but is more ideally suited as a top #3 D.

    Mark Fayne is a good right-shot #5-#7 Defender who should never ever be asked to play up.

    Oscar Klefbom is possibly a qualified top-pairing left-shot Defender, probably a #2 D when all is said and done. This may seem harsh, but he may never stay healthy enough to play to his potential or for a full season.

    Brandon Davidson is a quality left-shot Defender, a real feel good story. It’s unlikely he’ll ever be more than a good #4-#5 D. He also has to show he cam play a full season.

    This is not four good Defenseman. This is one good, one average and two wishes and prayers. Do not over-value what you have or the changes you make won’t be good enough. The Oilers need two right-shot Defenseman better than Sekera and a third D as good as he is. Will this happen? It had better happen. You can always find Offense. Will it be good enough? It doesn’t need to be great if the Backend is good, and it only has to be good enough if the Backend is great. Right now the Oilers’ Backend isn’t good enough to be called bad.

  45. Centre of attention says:

    godot10: Davidson is better than Severson.

    #Hot #Take

    Seriously though. Davidson is a beast.

    Also, doesn’t New Jersey need forwards?

  46. LadiesloveSmid says:

    PaperDesigner,

    think my crush on Davidson clouds my judgement a bit. I would probably reluctantly take it. Just love what BD brings so much, no butt clench when he’s on the ice which has been a rarity in Edmonton for the last 6 years. Stauff talks about him like he will be protected next season, and if he continues the way he has it’s for good reason.

    Stauff also says he predicts they add a RHD in the next 2 weeks and he, Sekera, Klef, and Davy could be protected. Wonder if that’s Demers or what. 1 add seems not significant enough this summer, maybe banking on healthy Klef/Davy. Would like Klein at 2RD as a stopgap for a year, 2 if he isn’t claimed

  47. Centre of attention says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: I wonder though, if a swap could be made. Davidson for Severson, straight across. Handedness issues addressed.

    Klefbom-acquistion
    Sekera- Fayne
    Reinhart-Severson
    Oesterle/Nurse

    Davidson might be better than Severson or might not, but one less need for a right-hander.

    How about keep Davidson, send Reinhart to the Minors to burn off those nasty bonuses. Then send a forward to the Devils.

    They almost certainly want a forward anyways.

  48. LadiesloveSmid says:

    godot10: Davidson is better than Severson.

    not 100% sure of that, and Severson has been doing it at 20 and 21. Would love to have them both that’s for sure

  49. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Let’s just move Nuge. He sucks anyways. 😉

  50. jfry says:

    lt,

    i don’t think anyone would mind if you added olivia culpo (in that dress) to your rotation.

  51. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Blackhawks beat writer with an update:
    Chris Kuc @ChrisKuc
    Source: #Blackhawks are shopping Marcus Kruger and are putting out feelers on possible trade partner for Andrew Shaw.

  52. Water Fire says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Stauffer threw out Yakupov+3rd for Severson on the show, as he does many throwaway hypothetical deals. If even close to that is on the table man you somersault to the phone to say yes.

    What if they asked Yakupov+Davidson?

    Sideways. They need to add better D, not trade away what they are trying to acquire to get it. Fayne would be acceptable because older and out of date skill set.

  53. LadiesloveSmid says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Shaw supposedly wants somewhere between 3 and 4M. Scored at a poor 5v5 rate even spending most of the season with Toews/Hossa. I’d just spend money on a Helm.

    what do people think of Marchessault as a bottom 6/13th F add? J Willis apparently is a big fan

  54. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    rickithebear: rookies compared to their peers (modern era)

    Mcdavid (18 in jan) 1.07 PPG 5th best of modern era
    Panarin (24 in jan).96 PPG 131 st best of modern era.

    And? It’s not a PPG award, unfortunately. Also, we all know the age difference, but Panarin qualifies so there isn’t any point in arguing it. Honestly I don’t understand why people care so much about McDavid not winning this award. If he played 15 more games he would have had it in a walk. I doubt it means that much to McDavid, either. Cups > Calders. I take 5 Cups and 0 Calders any day of the week.

  55. jfry says:

    also, on the whole calder thing.

    i’d rather mcdavid win the hart, so we can sign players like panarin who win the calder.

    my .02

  56. jfry says:

    also, how hard is dime bag going to party tonight. i hope he has a private suite and takes away everyone’s cell and makes them sign a waiver before entering…it’s going to get crazy there.

  57. bigbadbruin24 says:

    My take on Looch informing the league (read as his old boss Chia) two days before the draft that he will be testing free agency…”Go ahead and make a trade for a RHD using either pick number 4 or player number 4…I’m heading your way.”

    Like many Oiler fans, I certainly hope it is pick number 4 that goes if the choice is between the two.

    Does pick number 4, Yak and Davy get you close to Subban? Probably not.

    I personally would not want to include Klefbom or Nurse in a deal for PK however the Habs (spits) almost have to make one of them a condition of any deal along with the 4th pick and a third piece.

    Although they may not land a huge fish like PK, I think a fairly decent RHD will be headed to town with a draft day deal.

    The next big decision for Lucic will be what number to wear as an Oiler since 17 is up in the rafters…hopefully it is not the number 4.

  58. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    How does Ryan Kesler get Hart votes?

  59. jimmers2 says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker",

    Was it for left wing..?

  60. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    bigbadbruin24: The next big decision for Lucic will be what number to wear as an Oiler since 17 is up in the rafters…hopefully it is not the number 4.

    I’m guessing 71 or the number he wore in WHL – 27

  61. bigbadbruin24 says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: I’m guessing 71 or the number he wore in WHL – 27

    I would guess either 24 or 27 as well…just hoping it is not number 4, lol.

  62. Younger Oil says:

    bigbadbruin24: I would guess either 24 or 27 as well…just hoping it is not number 4, lol.

    It’s not going to be 4 because they are going to retire Lowe’s number right after trading Hall for peanuts 😀

  63. Oilspill says:

    Richard S.S.:
    When you have Connor McDavid, you shouldn’t need Stamkos, McDavid’s better. If he costs more than McDavid will, you can’t sign him even if he wants to be here.What you do need is 12 more Players who can form a strong top nine.The Oilers aren’t there yet, but that won’t happen.

    When you have Cam Talbot you have a quality #1 Goaltender, you don’t need Price.The Oilers’ Goalie shouldn’t have to be that good, just work harder and be luckier.But then that’s why you need Price, but that won’t happen.

    The remaining 20 or so Players are either good enough or are not good enough to be on Connor’s Team.That’s not significant right now, because of a shortage of quality Defenseman.Until that get’s fixed, forwards don’t matter.

    Andrej Sekera is a quality left-shot Defender who can play up, but is more ideally suited as a top #3 D.

    Mark Fayne is a good right-shot #5-#7 Defender who should never ever be asked to play up.

    Oscar Klefbom is possibly a qualified top-pairing left-shot Defender, probably a #2 D when all is said and done.This may seem harsh, but he may never stay healthy enough to play to his potential or for a full season.

    Brandon Davidson is a quality left-shot Defender, a real feel good story.It’s unlikely he’ll ever be more than a good #4-#5 D.He also has to show he cam play a full season.

    This is not four good Defenseman.This is one good, one average and two wishes and prayers.Do not over-value what you have or the changes you make won’t be good enough.The Oilers need two right-shot Defenseman better than Sekera and a third D as good as he is.Will this happen?It had better happen.You can always find Offense.Will it be good enough?It doesn’t need to be great if the Backend is good, and it only has to be good enough if the Backend is great.Right now the Oilers’ Backend isn’t good enough to be called bad.

    My take
    Klefbom 3
    Sekera 4
    Fayne 7
    Davy 3
    Nurse 4/5
    We are short 1 and 2 positions.

  64. AsiaOil says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: I’m guessing 71 or the number he wore in WHL – 27

    Yeah 27 would likely be it – that one has some history that fits Lucic.

  65. npanciroli says:

    Oilspill: My take
    Klefbom 3
    Sekera 4
    Fayne 7
    Davy 3
    Nurse 4/5
    We are short 1 and 2 positions.

    I’ll give my 2 cents.

    Klef 2
    Sekera 3
    Fayne 5
    Davidson 5
    Nurse 6

  66. kinger_OIL says:

    – Do we want to win a Stanley Cup in the next 3-5 years, or do we want to be in a rebuild forever?

    – Chia’s mandate is to win a Cup or two. He’s not going to “let the core rippen for one more year”

    – Brace yourselves, and remember how bad this team was last year (or 10)

    This:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/taylor-hall-at-centre-of-trade-rumours-in-new-york-sportswriter-says-1.3646487

  67. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – Do we want to win a Stanley Cup in the next 3-5 years, or do we want to be in a rebuild forever?

    – Chia’s mandate is to win a Cup or two.He’s not going to “let the core rippen for one more year”

    – Brace yourselves, and remember how bad this team was last year (or 10)

    Doesn’t matter. As soon as Hall or Nuge get traded Oiler fan be like:

    http://i.imgur.com/vdLE8dJ.gif

  68. OF17 says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": Ha ha. It was a reference to the last thread where someone suggested pick #4 might be the most valuable asset to trade.

    And markets are closed on Saturday so it would be tough to hedge your short.

    Haha I had a feeling you might mention the markets being closed 🙂

    In other news, this is pretty insane.

    P.K. Subban didn't win a humanitarian award from the NHL and his own team didn't nominate him for another one.Let that sink in. #NHLAwards— Greg Wyshynski (@wyshynski) June 22, 2016

    How can a guy make the biggest donation by a Canadian athlete in history and not even get a nomination from his own team? It boggles the mind. That specific point convinces me that Subban is on the block more than any other. You have to really not like the guy to not nominate him for an award like that. Imagine if Hall gave $10 million to the Stollery and the Oilers didn’t put his name forward. It’s insane.

  69. Магия 10 says:

    OF17: Haha I had a feeling you might mention the markets being closed

    In other news, this is pretty insane.

    How can a guy make the biggest donation by a Canadian athlete in history and not even get a nomination from his own team? It boggles the mind. That specific point convinces me that Subban is on the block more than any other. You have to really not like the guy to not nominate him for an award like that. Imagine if Hall gave $10 million to the Stollery and the Oilers didn’t put his name forward. It’s insane.

    Imagine Hall’s agent saying he doesn’t want any more of that donation after the 23rd article .

    Doesn’t mean Subban dislikes Montreal or vice versa.

  70. Магия 10 says:

    kinger_OIL: – Do we want to win a Stanley Cup in the next 3-5 years, or do we want to be in a rebuild forever?

    Trade out Hall in a 1 for 3 and you are jumping on the express called Infinibuild.

  71. Jon K says:

    If one assumes that Subban is available and Hall is available, a trade between the Habs and the Oilers makes a lot of sense. A lot of sense. If Subban is available, he’s only moveable in the next week or so. Brace yourselves gentlemen.

  72. Caramel Batman says:

    PaperDesigner: With the upcoming expansion draft, I think you make that deal 11 times out of 10.

    What does the expansion draft have to do with anything?

  73. OF17 says:

    Магия 10: Imagine Hall’s agent saying he doesn’t want any moreof that donation after the 23rd article .

    Doesn’t mean Subban dislikes Montrealor vice versa.

    I’m not sure I understand your point. Is it that Subban’s agent asked Montreal to tone down the positive press and not nominate his client for an award?

    That seems a little farfetched to me. And while Subban didn’t make his donation for the recognition, the positive press only helps that cause and others. Leading the way for NHLers and athletes in general to give more money back to their communities is a huge deal, and the more press Subban generates with it, the more effective it will be.

    Plus, when was the last time PK Subban shied away from the press?

  74. Water Fire says:

    Hall Nuge Drai
    Lucic McDavid
    ___
    Hendricks

  75. PaperDesigner says:

    Caramel Batman: What does the expansion draft have to do with anything?

    What use is having Davidson for depth if he’s just going to get picked in the expansion draft? If they add Severson without Davidson, they will likely protect Severson at the expense of Davidson. Basically, they are susceptible to losing Davidson anyway.

  76. godot10 says:

    I don’t see Taylor Hall as being a good fit for Montreal. And Montreal is pretty bereft of D beyond Subban and Petry. Markov is aging.

    The Islanders are the team to watch for a mega-trade…say something like….

    Taylor Hall plus odds and ends (say Lander, AHL goalie) for Hamonic, one of Nelson/Strome, Halak (Islander retain half the salary) plus stuff.

    A trade most of us will not like. But if they are bringing in Lucic and Tkachuk, Chiarelli may well trade use Hall to get Hamonic and an attractively priced quality goaltender to expose in the expansion draft who would be a strong backup for Talbot this year.

  77. rickithebear says:

    Richard S:
    bob mackenzie’s scouts said he would start on any playoff teams top 4.

    Davidson 2nd comp
    average evp/60
    top 30 HSCA D that is 12 less GA per season less than his replacement.
    #1 PPG/60 D
    we got an answer to “how hard is his shot?” when they ran him with some real minutes on PP.

    Klefbom-XXX
    Sekera- Fayne
    Davidson-XXX
    Nurse

    PP:
    Davidson #1 PPG/60 – Sekera #29 PPGF
    Klefbom
    sadly 1/2 Major PP Toi went to Schultz.
    worse results than the 3 above.

    PK:
    Klefbom #14 PKGA – Davidson #13 PKGA
    Reinhardt #1 PKGA – Gryba #17 PKGA D
    Sadly this year Most Total PKTOI Sekra 3rd worst and Fayne 5th worst.

    love the usage Maceakins!

  78. LOObird says:

    PaperDesigner,

    I think Davidson would have to progress immensely this season for Vegas to consider taking him.

    There will be a lot of good defensemen available.

  79. Water Fire says:

    Hall Nuge {Drai}
    ({Pouliot}) McDavid (Eberle)
    {Maroon} {XXX} 🙂 {Kassian}
    {Hendricks} {Letestu} {Pakarinen}

    Sekera
    Klefbom (Fayne)
    {Nurse} Davidson

    Edit: forgot Davey

    ( ) indicates players with high trade probability or in danger of being moved if someone else comes in more to liking. { } indicates a player not solid in a roster position.

    If I’m a player there is a lot to like about going to the Oilers, starting with Connor.

  80. kinger_OIL says:

    rickithebear,

    Ricki says:

    Klefbom-XXX
    Sekera- Fayne
    Davidson-XXX
    Nurse

    Ricki – who are your XXX’s? Your just saying get 2 more D, like everyone else. Sure if Klef’s XXX = Barrie, and Davidson’s XXX = Demers….

    – The XXX’s matter, they aren’t fill in the blanks: I’m jut saying

  81. stush18 says:

    godot10:
    I don’t see Taylor Hall as being a good fit for Montreal.And Montreal is pretty bereft of D beyond Subban and Petry.Markov is aging.

    The Islanders are the team to watch for a mega-trade…say something like….

    Taylor Hall plus odds and ends (say Lander, AHL goalie) for Hamonic, one of Nelson/Strome, Halak (Islander retain half the salary) plus stuff.

    A trade most of us will not like.But if they are bringing in Lucic and Tkachuk, Chiarelli may well trade use Hall to get Hamonic and an attractively pricedquality goaltender to expose in the expansion draft who would be a strong backup for Talbot this year.

    Why would they trade for halak?

    The only reason you trade for a goalie is because he is equal or greater value than talbot, otherwise you still need to protect talbot anyways.

    Plus NYI would likely not protect a goalie, and run with one of halak/greiss

    If hall was going, I think it would be hall + contract for hamonic + dal colle + strome + pick

    That what it normally is, player, prospect, and project

  82. Water Fire says:

    Water Fire:
    HallNuge {Drai}
    ({Pouliot})McDavid(Eberle)
    {Maroon} {XXX} {Kassian}
    {Hendricks} {Letestu} {Pakarinen}

    Sekera
    Klefbom (Fayne)
    {Nurse} Davidson

    Edit: forgot Davey

    ( ) indicates players with high trade probability or in danger of being moved if someone else comes in more to liking. { } indicates a player not solid in a roster position.

    If I’m a player there is a lot to like about going to the Oilers, starting with Connor.

    18 players
    17 815 500 in space
    6 175 000 in bonuses

  83. Stelio Kontos says:

    Not surprised. Let stupid people vote, you get stupid decisions. Pervasive theme in our society.

  84. Water Fire says:

    The only player the Isles have to speak about in a Hall convo is Tavares.

  85. JimmyV1965 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Stauffer threw out Yakupov+3rd for Severson on the show, as he does many throwaway hypothetical deals. If even close to that is on the table man you somersault to the phone to say yes.

    What if they asked Yakupov+Davidson?

    Never. Davidson might be better than Sverson right now.

  86. Younger Oil says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m1 minute ago

    Now that Milan Lucic is technically on open market, I expect EDM to have significant interest in him and he will have interest in EDM.

  87. YKOil says:

    godot10:
    I don’t see Taylor Hall as being a good fit for Montreal.And Montreal is pretty bereft of D beyond Subban and Petry.Markov is aging. The Islanders are the team to watch for a mega-trade…say something like….

    Taylor Hall plus odds and ends (say Lander, AHL goalie) for Hamonic, one of Nelson/Strome, Halak (Islander retain half the salary) plus stuff.

    A trade most of us will not like.But if they are bringing in Lucic and Tkachuk, Chiarelli may well trade use Hall to get Hamonic and an attractively pricedquality goaltender to expose in the expansion draft who would be a strong backup for Talbot this year.

    I think everyone is bracing, or girding as the case may be, for just such a trade.

    Hall, Lander, Musil and Florida’s 3rd
    FOR
    Hamonic, Strome and something kinda good

    Something being the NYI 1st or Kulemin or Ho Sang

    Not a trade I woudl eb happy with but one that would not surprise me.

  88. Younger Oil says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 46s46 seconds ago

    Lots of moving parts on negotiations so way too early to handicap it but no doubt in my mind EDM is going to be eager to explore it.

  89. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Younger Oil:
    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m1 minute ago

    Now that Milan Lucic is technically on open market, I expect EDM to have significant interest in him and he will have interest in EDM.

    https://media.giphy.com/media/SiUIIdSKuCN1e/giphy.gif

  90. admiralmark says:

    PaperDesigner: With the upcoming expansion draft, I think you make that deal 11 times out of 10.

    Caramel Batman,

    Somebody doesn’t actually read LT’s blog prior to posting comments. Or I suppose just wholeheartedly disagrees?

  91. Frank the dog says:

    Let’s say we get Milan for just dollars, and the 2×4’s get us a top 2 RHD. Are we better off?

  92. YKOil says:

    JimmyV1965: Never. Davidson might be better than Sverson right now.

    I like Davidsan better than Severson as well. Also think both Klefbom and Davidson would have outscored Severson given the same # of games and health. That said,

    Yakupov and FLA 3rd for Severson and NJD 2nd would be a very fair trade.

    Would settle for Yakupov and a 3rd for Severson and a 3rd… but that would just be to get RHD joy. Adding a RHD, who can pass, to this team would do wonders.

  93. JimmyV1965 says:

    YKOil: I like Davidsan better than Severson as well.Also think both Klefbom and Davidson would have outscored Severson given the same # of games and health.That said,

    Yakupov and FLA 3rd for Severson and NJD 2nd would be a very fair trade.

    Would settle for Yakupov and a 3rd for Severson and a 3rd… but that would just be to get RHD joy.Adding a RHD, who can pass, to this team would do wonders.

    I would love to get Sverson. Would be willing to go Ysk and the 4th for Sverson and the 11th.

  94. RandomPoster says:

    admiralmark: Somebody doesn’t actually read LT’s blog prior to posting comments. Or I suppose just wholeheartedly disagrees?

    LT is not the Glassman.

  95. fifthcartel says:

    Adding an expensive left shooting winger is legitimately at the bottom of the list of needs for the Oilers. This is seriously insane.

  96. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    We will likely be bidding against Vancouver for Lucic. I don’t think Anaheim has enough money to do it.

    Let’s accept that Chia is going to be in on Lucic.

    Banning goes all-in. This could be damaging. That being the case…and if you follow my logic here…

    1) Let it be true that Chia will go after Lucic in free agency no matter what.
    2) Let it be true that he must compete with Benning and his spending ways to land Lucic.

    I am now thinking it may be best to trade a 5th to LA tonight to get an exclusive window to sign Lucic and take away his permission to talk to other teams. Why? Because I want to lock him up before Benning drives up the price. His reported ask is $6M. No way I pay more than that. This is accepting that Chia is determined to get him at all costs.

    Or has the cat already been let out of the bag in terms of negotiations at this point?

  97. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    fifthcartel:
    Adding an expensive left shooting winger is legitimately at the bottom of the list of needs for the Oilers. This is seriously insane.

    I know. If we are adding a left-shooting winger, I prefer Eriksson– plays right wing, defensively sound, is Eberle insurance.

    A line with Nuge-Eriksson on it could be one helluva 2-way line.

  98. Магия 10 says:

    OF17: I’m not sure I understand your point. Is it that Subban’s agent asked Montreal to tone down the positive press and not nominate his client for an award?

    That seems a little farfetched to me. And while Subban didn’t make his donation for the recognition, the positive press only helps that cause and others. Leading the way for NHLers and athletes in general to give more money back to their communities is a huge deal, and the more press Subban generates with it, the more effective it will be.

    Plus, when was the last time PK Subban shied away from the press?

    To call this a slight you assume that montreal failed to nominate when PK would have expected to be. That’s a lot of assumptions. Why would you assume that the teams PR and PK don’t have a common approach?

  99. Bank Shot says:

    fifthcartel:
    Adding an expensive left shooting winger is legitimately at the bottom of the list of needs for the Oilers. This is seriously insane.

    It makes sense if you can trade one of the other wingers on the team for a number one defenceman.

  100. fifthcartel says:

    Unless Chiarelli is just bidding up the price for Vancouver I just don’t see why he does this. Yeah, he’s a solid player but he’s going to want term, and likely over 6m, and why do that for yet another left shooting forward?

  101. Магия 10 says:

    Frank the dog:
    Let’s say we get Milan for just dollars, and the 2×4’s get us a top 2 RHD. Are we better off?

    No. You could not even bother to make it a 1D.

    BIKE RACK!

  102. Lowetide says:

    fifthcartel:
    Unless Chiarelli is just bidding up the price for Vancouver I just don’t see why he does this. Yeah, he’s a solid player but he’s going to want term, and likely over 6m, and why do that for yet another left shooting forward?

    Because you are trading one of the other left shooting forwards for a RHD. Or, put another way, WG’s phone.

  103. mustang says:

    Trading Hall for Hamonic and a bunch of shit is ridiculous. I see at as Pouliot going not Hall.
    Pouliot going to St.Lo for Shattenkirk, or Avs for Barrie, I prefere Barrie. Lucic in, Poo out

    Sign Demers for 5X4.75M which is a very nice raise for him, also he gets the chance to win stanley.

    Hall for PK I would do, but MTL needs to eat some of that salary, 9M is to much for PK.

  104. qball141 says:

    Help me out here – with the expansion draft, why would any team sign a free agent longer than one year? Next year team doesn’t have to protect player, no risk player goes to Vegas against his will, then player signs long term deal.

  105. Kitchener says:

    Suppose for a minute that Chiarelli has decided that trading a former 1OV who still hasn’t played five seasons for magic beans is bat shit crazy. How much better would Yakupov be if:

    – his line was Lucic-Drai/Nuge/McD-Yak
    – his line had league-average outlet passes from the blueline
    – year two with the same head coach = Yak finally figures out his job without the puck

    It strikes me as odd how few comments here contemplate potential Yak linemates. Yes I watched the games and yes can read TOI, but I’m still not convinced that Yak’s 2.5M contract is heading out the door this summer.

  106. Bank Shot says:

    qball141:
    Help me out here – with the expansion draft, why would any team sign a free agent longer than one year?Next year team doesn’t have to protect player, no risk player goes to Vegas against his will, then player signs long term deal.

    Because free agents want contracts longer than one year and they have the hammer in free agency season.

  107. theDjdj says:

    qball141:
    Help me out here – with the expansion draft, why would any team sign a free agent longer than one year?Next year team doesn’t have to protect player, no risk player goes to Vegas against his will, then player signs long term deal.

    It’s a good point. But negotiations are not a one player game. The athlete inherits some risk in agreeing to those terms for really no reward.

    And I believe Vegas can still draft them. Vegas is just limited to the amount of pending Free Agents they can sign.

  108. theDjdj says:

    Kitchener:
    Suppose for a minute that Chiarelli has decided that trading a former 1OV who still hasn’t played five seasons for magic beans is bat shit crazy.How much better would Yakupov be if:

    – his line was Lucic-Drai/Nuge/McD-Yak
    – his line had league-average outlet passes from the blueline
    – year two with the same head coach = Yak finally figures out his job without the puck

    It strikes me as odd how few comments here contemplate potential Yak linemates.Yes I watched the games and yes can read TOI, but I’m still not convinced that Yak’s 2.5M contract is heading out the door this summer.

    I agree about Yak. If we keep centre depth he can ride shotgun with any head of the Cerberus and rack up points. $2.5m is very good contract. His value is low, if Chia wasn’t prepared to pull the trigger at deadline I can’t see it happening now.

  109. theDjdj says:

    “Bob McKenzie Verified account
    ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

    I am not saying WPG won’t take Laine but I am saying, IMO, Jesse Puljujarvi may be a legit consideration at No. 2 for the Jets.”

    https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/745807742741286912?s=09

    If Laine drops to three, do we make a deal to switch spots? Is it worth it? There were rumours that CBJ take Tkachuk at 4th. Is there any world where we land Laine naturally?

  110. admiralmark says:

    theDjdj:
    Bob McKenzie Verified account
    ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

    I am not saying WPG won’t take Laine but I am saying, IMO, Jesse Puljujarvi may be a legit consideration at No. 2 for the Jets.

    https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/745807742741286912?s=09

    If Laine drops to three, do we make a deal to switch spots? Is it worth it? There were rumours that CBJ take Tkachuk at 4th. Is there any world where we land Laine naturally?

    Yes it’s called our Dream world.

  111. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Aaron Portzline
    @APortzline

    “Many convinced #CBJ trading the No. 3 overall pick. It’s all over the place across the league. Could Jarmo know something about the Finns?”

  112. PaperDesigner says:

    theDjdj:
    “Bob McKenzie Verified account
    ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

    I am not saying WPG won’t take Laine but I am saying, IMO, Jesse Puljujarvi may be a legit consideration at No. 2 for the Jets.”

    https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/745807742741286912?s=09

    If Laine drops to three, do we make a deal to switch spots? Is it worth it? There were rumours that CBJ take Tkachuk at 4th. Is there any world where we land Laine naturally?

    The problem I see is that the Oilers have a very specific need, and not as many assets to fix that need as you would like. Wasting assets on moving up to get a more premium winger when those same assets could go towards landing a right shot defenceman is, in my mind, a fireable offence.

  113. Little Poteet says:

    Yandles new deal with the Panthers is terrifying. 7 years 6.25 million.
    Guess they are banking on him ending up in Vegas

  114. Rondo says:

    Lots of noise before the draft.

  115. godot10 says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes:
    Aaron Portzline
    @APortzline

    “Many convinced #CBJ trading the No. 3 overall pick. It’s all over the place across the league. Could Jarmo know something about the Finns?”

    Jarmo needs to get rid of at least one expensive contract. If he can attach it to the #3OV in a trade down and still be in the top ten, it is worth it to Columbus.

  116. v4ance says:

    Little Poteet:
    Yandles new deal with the Panthers is terrifying. 7 years 6.25 million.
    Guess they are banking on him ending up in Vegas

    Don’t worry. When Dale Tallon gets fired, he’ll “Campbell it” and trade for Yandle at whichever team he joins next…

    Speaking of which, I’m putting my money on 3years. That’s when the Panthers will try to trade or buyout this contract…

  117. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    godot10: Jarmo needs to get rid of at least one expensive contract. If he can attach it to the #3OV in a trade down and still be in the top ten, it is worth it to Columbus.

    I have a hunch it’s Arizona or Florida. We’ll see.

  118. Gret99zky says:

    Little Poteet:
    Yandles new deal with the Panthers is terrifying. 7 years 6.25 million.
    Guess they are banking on him ending up in Vegas

    I’m reading $6.35M AAV. Which is even worse. Yikes. Yandle is 29.

  119. LOObird says:

    Gret99zky,

    No move clause for the first six seasons too.

  120. Little Poteet says:

    LOObird,

    LOObird:
    Gret99zky,

    No move clause for the first six seasons too.

    Didn’t see about the no move clause. I figured he over payed to avoid one of those. Can’t even send him to Vegas.

  121. Walter Sobchak says:

    Well why not!

    4th OVA & a 3rd for Shattenkirk

    Shattenkirk & Pouliot to the Bronx for Hamonic

    Nurse for Trouba

    Yakupov for any 3rd rounder.

    Fayne for a 4th & 5th

    Oilers sign Lucic

    Oilers dump Korp

  122. John Chambers says:

    New worst contract in hockey!

    You’ve had your day in the sun, Andrew MacDonald. Now step aside.

  123. John Chambers says:

    Man, Florida has Bolland and Yandle consuming nearly $12M in cap space.

    They have sewered all the many hard years of re-building

  124. Younger Oil says:

    Walter Sobchak:
    Well why not!

    4th OVA&a 3rd for Shattenkirk

    Shattenkirk & Pouliot to the Bronx for Hamonic

    Nurse for Trouba

    Yakupov for any 3rd rounder.

    Fayne for a 4th & 5th

    Oilers sign Lucic

    Oilers dump Korp

    You realized you pretty much just suggested to trade the 4th OV, Pouliot, and Yakupov for Hamonic right?

    That is a massive, MASSIVE overpay.

  125. Lowetide says:

    Yandle is a good player, but that is a very difficult contract to justify.

  126. stush18 says:

    Keith yandle has averaged over .5 pts/gm since his first full season. In the past five years he has averaged .6pts/game.

    He is a positive possession player in his career, and has somehow managed to maintain over 50% corsi while in New York, despite the Rangers being a putrid possession team.

    He is a splendid skater and puckmover, and plays a style of game that won’t wear his body down.

    I would say this a slight overpayment, but he’s still making less then what campbell was.

    I bet he puts up sixty points next year running the first powerplay with ekbkad and barkov.

  127. stush18 says:

    Like I don’t understand the worry over this. Some people here are willing to pay demers between 5.5 and 6 per year, yet yandle is too much?

    Yandle drives offense like few from the back end, which is exactly what Florida needed. They have a young defense.

    These are the players you should overpay on, not the ference, or Gordon, or bottom of the roster pairings

  128. admiralmark says:

    Walter Sobchak:
    Well why not!

    4th OVA&a 3rd for Shattenkirk

    Shattenkirk & Pouliot to the Bronx for Hamonic

    Nurse for Trouba

    Yakupov for any 3rd rounder.

    Fayne for a 4th & 5th

    Oilers sign Lucic

    Oilers dump Korp

    Younger Oil,

    I would do this in a heartbeat. Hamonic is a 1st pair D on a value contract.

  129. John Chambers says:

    stush18,

    You make some good points – defensemen who can create offense are rare and Yandle is turning 30, not 35.

    However, from what I understand about the player he’s a sub-par defender. A somewhat better version of Justin Schultz on that regard, but still far from a player who a coach can deploy confidently against opposing scorers. Indeed Yandle is a very good passer and distributer on the powerplay, but his recent point totals are far from his peak, and his last three seasons have seen him score 8, 6, and 5 goals.

    Although I see him performing well for the first twp or three years of the contract, it will without doubt cause problems for the Panthers when they have to re-sign Barkov, Huberdeau, Trochek, and Ekblad.

    Too much money, and way too much term for a player with too limited a skill set.

  130. YKOil says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: I have a hunch it’s Arizona or Florida. We’ll see.

    I am on record for saying it could be worth it for the Oilers to pick up a contract in order to get Savard – could say the same for one of the Finns.

    Arizona, however, is really in the drivers seat here. So:

    Datsyuk, DET 1st (16) and Nastasiuk
    for
    ARI 2nd (37)

    Will probably get them (Arizona) Dante Fabbro.

    Then:

    Tyutin, Boll and CBJ 1st (3)
    FOR
    ARI 1st (7) and ‘something’ (a future year 3rd?)

    This will get them (Arizona) one of the two Finns. Columbus shaves $6.2 million in salary, stays in the top-10, can sign Jones and still has the Hartnell trade chip. This is the only way Tyutin sees most of his cash (I am assuming Tyutin would waive his NMC in the face of a buy-out and Arizona would have to guarantee ‘not’ to buy out the next year).

    Arizona is now well within reach of the Cap floor and has added Fabbro, Nastasiuk and a Finn. Which is a pretty sweet haul in and of itself. They would still have the #20, #53, #68 and three more later round picks.

    If the Yotes ever had a budget to work with they could be murder in a few years.

  131. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    theDjdj:
    “Bob McKenzie Verified account
    ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

    I am not saying WPG won’t take Laine but I am saying, IMO, Jesse Puljujarvi may be a legit consideration at No. 2 for the Jets.”

    https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/745807742741286912?s=09

    If Laine drops to three, do we make a deal to switch spots? Is it worth it? There were rumours that CBJ take Tkachuk at 4th. Is there any world where we land Laine naturally?

    Do you have a source for this rumour? We have heard a lot of things, including that CBJ may not be sold on Puljujarvi, but nowhere have I seen someone say they want Tkachuk. Can you please point me to your source as I would like to read it. Thanks.

  132. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    John Chambers:
    New worst contract in hockey!

    You’ve had your day in the sun, Andrew MacDonald. Now step aside.

    Worse than Clarkson? Dustin Brown? Come on now. Yandle’s deal isn’t even close to those two.

  133. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    John Chambers:
    stush18,

    You make some good points – defensemen who can create offense are rare and Yandle is turning 30, not 35.

    However, from what I understand about the player he’s a sub-par defender. A somewhat better version of Justin Schultz on that regard, but still far from a player who a coach can deploy confidently against opposing scorers. Indeed Yandle is a very good passer and distributer on the powerplay, but his recent point totals are far from his peak, and his last three seasons have seen him score 8, 6, and 5 goals.

    Although I see him performing well for the first twp or three years of the contract, it will without doubt cause problems for the Panthers when they have to re-sign Barkov, Huberdeau, Trochek, and Ekblad.

    Too much money, and way too much term for a player with too limited a skill set.

    It is a lot of money and term. It’s a bad contract, but it isn’t even in the top 10 of bad contracts. “From what you understand of the player…” so you are lumping this in as the worst contract in hockey or close to it without really knowing the player too well?

    Much better player than Campbell at this stage in their careers and Campbell was making $7M. He is also 29. The last couple of years may hurt, but he should be fine for the first 5. Florida is about to be in win-now mode so this deal makes a lot of sense. Yes, they paid dearly, but Yandle is not chopped liver at moving the puck and running the PP. He fills a need on the back end for Florida.

  134. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Posting this again because people are talking like CBJ trading down for cap space is likely. From Portzline:
    TRADE THE PICK OUTRIGHT
    The Blue Jackets need salary cap relief. They currently have around $5 million under the projected salary cap. In the best-case scenario — if the NHL players’ association uses its 5 percent inflator — the cap will go up marginally. If they NHLPA doesn’t, the cap could actually go down.
    Oh, and defenseman Seth Jones still needs a contract as he leaves his entry-level years. He’s a pending RFA as of July 1 and is looking for a long-term deal, not a bridge. Center William Karlsson also needs a contract.
    Many have wondered if the Blue Jackets, barnacled by large, hard-to-trade contracts, might dangle the No. 3 draft pick to gain cap relief.
    Kekalainen told The Dispatch on Tuesday that the hockey operations department views the draft as a means to add talent, not balance the financial sheet. The latter will not be achieved at the cost of the former.
    A trade could be made this summer to alleviate the Jackets’ cap pressure, but it won’t be easy — so many other teams are in the same spot — and it won’t be done at the cost of this draft pick.
    “I don’t think we’d compromise on the quality of player we’d pick,” Kekalainen said.
    Probability: Very low to non-existent.”

    http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2016/06/bluejackets-nhl-draft.html

  135. theDjdj says:

    PaperDesigner: The problem I see is thatthe Oilers have a very specific need, and not as many assets to fix that need as you would like. Wasting assets on moving up to get a more premium winger when those same assets could go towards landing a right shot defenceman is, in my mind, a fireable offence.

    You could perhaps trade Eberle knowing you’ve got another right shot in the system. Not ideal. But then again drafting a left handed winger isn’t ideal either. What asset would you need to trade to get it done? Yakupov?

  136. theDjdj says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Do you have a source for this rumour? We have heard a lot of things, including that CBJ may not be sold on Puljujarvi, but nowhere have I seen someone say they want Tkachuk. Can you please point me to your source as I would like to read it. Thanks.

    Bobfather on TSN. Mentions it at about 2:25min mark. Whole thing is interesting though.

    https://soundcloud.com/tsn-radio-vancouver/bob-mckenzie-canucks-listening-but-not-talking-trade-with-5-cbj-may-not-be-sold-on-puljujarvi

    Edit: apologies I misread your comment. You’re right, some on this site have conjectured that Tkachuk is the stronger pick. I’ve taken that with the rumour that Calgary will move up into CBJ’s spot to draft Tkachuk and mixed up that CBJ are keen to draft him.

    Couldn’t find a source that suggest CBJ are keen on Tkachuk over Puljajarvi

  137. kinger_OIL says:

    – Chia would much rather have Okposo-McD-Lucic than Ebs-RNH-Hall as the top line

    – Okposo and Lucic for cash only, means he can turn 2 of Hall/Ebs/RNH into a lot on the back-end, if there are trading partners…

  138. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – Chia would much rather have Okposo-McD-Lucic than Ebs-RNH-Hall as the top line

    – Okposo and Lucic for cash only, means he can turn 2 of Hall/Ebs/RNH into a lot on the back-end, if there are trading partners…

    I don’t disagree but I also don’t think Lucic and Okposo are better than Hall, nor could they push a line on their own if called upon. Chia may want that but I don’t think it makes the Oilers better and I think it slows them down considerably if they decide to do it.

  139. square_wheels says:

    I know it’s TreenasOil but waking up to this makes me want to kick puppies;

    Islanders Oilers close to a deal for Hall taking multiplayer but Colorado still in the picture Oilers getting lots of calls on Hall

    And this really doesn’t fly for me:

    Colorado showing interest in Davidson who is also being shopped

  140. A-Frame says:

    Younger Oil:
    The 8 people who said McDavid was the 5th best rookie this season should be fired.

    Into the sun.

    A little late to the party but that’s not even the worst of it… 9(!!!!) voters didn’t even include McDavid on their ballot as one of the top five rookies this year. There are 150 voters and only 141 votes for McDavid (25+45+48+15+8=141).

    I had come to grips with the fact that some writers value GP higher than performance in those GP and that McDavid wouldn’t win the Calder before the awards show last night, but I was absolutely livid when I saw the vote tallies. How 32/150 (over 20%!!!) of PHWA voters don’t consider McDavid one of the top three rookies this year is beyond me.

  141. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    theDjdj: Bobfather on TSN. Mentions it at about 2:25min mark. Whole thing is interesting though.

    https://soundcloud.com/tsn-radio-vancouver/bob-mckenzie-canucks-listening-but-not-talking-trade-with-5-cbj-may-not-be-sold-on-puljujarvi

    Edit: apologies I misread your comment. You’re right, some on this site have conjectured that Tkachuk is the stronger pick. I’ve taken that with the rumour that Calgary will move up into CBJ’s spot to draft Tkachuk and mixed up that CBJ are keen to draft him.

    Couldn’t find a source that suggest CBJ are keen on Tkachuk over Puljajarvi

    Gotcha, thanks. I think the rumours have been they may want a C. I think that makes some sense.

  142. Ryan says:

    square_wheels:
    I know it’s TreenasOil but waking up to this makes me want to kick puppies;

    Islanders Oilers close to a deal for Hall taking multiplayer but Colorado still in the picture Oilers getting lots of calls on Hall

    And this really doesn’t fly for me:

    Colorado showing interest in Davidson who is also being shopped

    Hm. If the expansion rules are still 5+3 defensemen… And we find a top four right shot defenseman, then Davie will be exposed…

    I think Davie is in NyCoil’s ‘A column’ in terms of assets though likely undervalued in the league.

    Outside of those issues, I would prefer to keep him, but he would be exposed and we do have a surplus of left shot dmen. I guess it depends on the return which probably isn’t a ton.

    A smart team shopping the Oilers aisle would get a good player at likely a bargain unfortunately for us.

    I was on record here not wanting him to be exposed to waivers at the start of the year (last season).

  143. square_wheels says:

    Ryan,

    A Davidson trade is impossible to win, it’s a smaller scale Hall trade. The only player types I’d flip Davi for would be for my prime target Brett Pesce.

    Chia is notoriously tight lip so the dog is in fact quite safe……for now.

  144. russ99 says:

    I’d much rather see the Oilers trade Eberle or RNH than Hall, but I get it.

    Ready for something to happen the next three days, and I would rather see moves made than not.

    No reason to be conservative on a 29th place team.

    Also, I don’t get this need to “win” a trade. Winners and losers of a trade are not revealed for months if not years later, and it it makes us a better team, it’s a win for me.

  145. Walter Sobchak says:

    Younger Oil,

    Younger Oil: You realized you pretty much just suggested to trade the 4th OV, Pouliot, and Yakupov for Hamonic right?

    That is a massive, MASSIVE overpay.

    Not really, it’s a deal in which the Oilers dump salary.

    Pouliot is redundant if you have Lucic.

    IMHO Hall is way to much for Hamonic

    Snow wants a D-man for a Dman with a sweetener.

    Yakupov is getting traded regardless of where he goes. He wont be back, I thought I was conservative asking for a 3rd, he might only be worth a 4th or a throw in on a trade.

    It’s for fun anyway, I don’t expect it to happen, I expect a much worse real trade actually.

  146. kinger_OIL says:

    Jaxon:
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    – Best post ever!

  147. Diesel says:

    kinger_OIL: – Best post ever!

    Fog of Warts, Jaxon… how many aliases does he have?!

  148. Water Fire says:

    Walter Sobchak:
    Younger Oil,

    Not really, it’s a deal in which the Oilers dump salary.

    Pouliot is redundant if you have Lucic.

    IMHO Hall is way to much for Hamonic

    Snow wants a D-man for a Dman with a sweetener.

    Yakupov is getting traded regardless of where he goes. He wont be back, I thought I was conservative asking for a 3rd, he might only be worth a 4th or a throw in on a trade.

    It’s for fun anyway, I don’t expect it to happen, I expect a much worse real trade actually.

    If Reinhart is worth what is essentially 2 first round picks (ugh) Yak must be worth more than a 3rd. If they take less they are just dumping him.

    Maybe nobody wants him, but eastern seaboard teams needing offense and with large Russian populations might like the marketing aspect as they struggle for attendance.

    And there is the Oiler rise from the ashes thing after they leave.

  149. OilSafety says:

    The good news re Yandle deal, I think its so far out to lunch, other players aka Shattenkirk, Demers, arent going to be able to use it as ‘market value’ in their negotiating. Floriday just skewed the standard, but is so far outside it, I think it gets ignored in negotiations moving forward.

    Question for the group, can we afford Hall and Lucic both at approx 6mill moving forward assuming we have McDavid, Dry, and Nurse to pay in the near future and one or two top four defensemen coming in?

    Obviously pouliot on the outs, probably nuge or ebs too, but that means we need shaw or okoposo.

    I read a tweet yesterday about Shaw being back on the market, what would it take for us to aquire him if we lose Nuge, can we get him for Pouls?

  150. Jaxon says:

    kinger_OIL,

    HAHA, THANKS. UGGH, YOU CAUGHT THAT BEFORE I COULD DELETE IT! Trying to figure out how to bring a table into comments. No luck so far.

  151. Little Poteet says:

    Jaxon,

    Make the table a Google Doc then post the link

  152. Jaxon says:

    square_wheels,

    Agree that Davidson is only a fit for Pesce, he is probably a slight underpay on Severson, a slight overpay on Pysyk, and an overpay on Colin Miller, who is a RFA. Plus, it doesn’t seem like BOS is willing to trade anyone to Chiarelli based on what we saw last summer with Hamilton. But maybe egos have softened over the year. I would consider trading Davidson for those players but Pesce seems like the only player for player fit. I’d also consider Madison Bowey, but I’m not sure either side would jump at that. There would have to be other pieces to make both sides happy.

  153. Truth says:

    Walter Sobchak:

    Yakupov is getting traded regardless of where he goes. He wont be back, I thought I was conservative asking for a 3rd, he might only be worth a 4th or a throw in on a trade.

    It’s for fun anyway, I don’t expect it to happen, I expect a much worse real trade actually.

    This is a bad way of thinking. Everyone witnessed what happened with Drouin. Chiarelli should point to that situation and say he’s available but the price is not changing. If nobody is willing to pay he will be in the Oilers lineup in October.

    I’d rather the Oilers lose him to the KHL than for Chiarelli to gift him to a team for a 3rd or 4th. You’re looking at less than a 20% chance the player picked in that slot plays 100 NHL games.

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