OILERS AT 183: VINCENT DESHARNAIS

The Oilers closed out the draft with another giant defender in Vincent Desharnais.

  • U.S. Hockey ReportHe’s got the size and decent hockey sense, and pro guys can wait until he fills out that frame. It’ll take time, though. For college guys, they’ll hang back as Desharnais does everything really slowly. There are no fast-twitch or even medium twitch muscles in his body, but he sure does fill those passing lanes. Source (From 2013)

 

 

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  1. Магия 10 says:

    Anyone got anything on the short 3 years since then? Info gets pretty thin at the end.

  2. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20160310/SPORTS/160319883/?Start=2

    All I could find. Interesting that they expected him to be drafted. Providence is in Chia’s old backyard.

  3. Younger Oil says:

    For me, this draft was:

    The Good: Scandinavians, Benson.

    The Bad: Cairns, McPhee

    The Ugly: Wells, Desharnais

    Liked how they got at least one player at each position, LOVED raiding the rapidly growing Finn youth team.

    There were much higher probability options than Cairns and McPhee (and taking Cairns before Berglund is criminal), and Wells and Desharnais were just head scratchers (even though some scouts were confusingly high on Wells).

    Again, shocked Maxime Fortier was not drafted, he had a better EV Primary PPG than many of the second rounders, and was playing on a crap team. Would love him as a camp invite to see what he has.

    All in all, probably would give this draft a solid B.

  4. Nostradumbass says:

    A guy in our back yard over drafted, a kid with an OBC connection, a questionable goalie pick and an overage BCJHL player

    The draft has some high points but are we sure this team has changed drafting philosophies?

  5. "Steve Smith" says:

    Younger Oil:
    The Good: Scandinavians,

    I don’t think you want to go there – after all, Frank Drebin didn’t dream of dying by having his testicles bitten off by a Scandinavian.

  6. stephen sheps says:

    Younger Oil,

    Not to be a totally pedantic ass, but only one of the Nordic players is actually Scandinavian, maybe 1.5 given JP’s mixed heritage.

    Finns are Nordic but are not ethnically, nationally or linguistically a part of the Scandinavian family.

    *Note: I am in fact being a completely pedantic ass, and I won’t apologize for it. I was being reasonable this morning but the euphoria and coffee has worn off.

  7. Younger Oil says:

    My apologies if anyone found that offensive, my dumb geographically challenged ass didn’t know that Nordic and Scandinavian were different!

    You learn something new every day, thanks for correcting me!

    I won’t edit my previous comment so people won’t be confused, but wish I could!

  8. "Steve Smith" says:

    stephen sheps,

    Whatever – do you even watch the games,* you nerd?

    * Of Risk.

  9. stephen sheps says:

    Younger Oil,

    it’s an easy mistake – one that confuses many. I doubt you offended anyone, least of all me!

    I didn’t know the difference until I dated a Finnish girl for a while.

    “Steve Smith”:
    stephen sheps,

    Whatever – do you even watch the games,* you nerd?

    * Of Risk.

    Never change, “Steve Smith”. Never change.

  10. Mr DeBakey says:

    Also, in a similar vein, Newfoundlanders are not Maritimers.

  11. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Well, we had this debate several times here and Finns CAN be Scandinavian, but not necessarily. Safer to call them Nordic.

    Canadians are Americans (North) and so on and so forth.

  12. John Chambers says:

    I could see that something was obstructing his breathing. I looked down into the eye of the big fish …

    Mammal.

    Whatever.

  13. Stelio Kontos says:

    Chia probably didn’t have time to make trades what with Stamkos incessantly calling him whining about playing with McDavid.

  14. JDï™ says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Finns CAN be Scandinavian

    Scandipedia agrees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia

    Edit: Finland is the ‘sometimes Y’ of Scandinavia!

  15. OF17 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Well, we had this debate several times here and Finns CAN be Scandinavian, but not necessarily. Safer to call them Nordic.

    Canadians are Americans (North) and so on and so forth.

    In Spanish, they preserve the difference. Americano just means from the Americas. Estadounidense (“United Statesan”) is what they use for Americans.

  16. rickithebear says:

    1.The video from Cairns repeats the draft video of other D selected.
    Good Pass strong in own end; “Ä two way D.”

    2. watching
    Rasanen and Niemelainen at U18 WC.
    – Anchor the PK for Finland
    – Net and point anchors on PP.
    – the anchor for younger Fwds and D @ even.

    3. Benson’s pre Draft yr age NHLE 40 EVP
    draft year age NHLE 41 EVP
    Same as RNH’s draft year age NHLE 41 EVP

    4. Puljuarvi’s shot! shot! shot!

    5. Berglund my yearly pick of Potential draft steal player. #7 Euro D.
    Jesse Gabrielle 2015!

  17. Caramel Batman says:

    I’d like to see Pjuljarvi start in the AHL whether he is “ready” or not.

    First, there is no such thing as “ready,” unless “ready” means has nothing to learn in the AHL. I don’t believe that describes any player who is ever described as “ready.”

    Second, even if he is ready, whatever that means, if you stash him in the AHL you effectively gain a roster spot that can be filled by an NHL veteran on a low cost one year contract (a la Mason Raymond). There are always guys who can play a little looking for jobs. If it works out you get both players. If it doesn’t you put the veteran on waivers at mid season and call up Puljarvi.

  18. rickithebear says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Also, in a similar vein, Newfoundlanders are not Maritimers.

    Just like labradorians tell me they are are not part of “drunken newfoundland bastards.”

  19. AsiaOil says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    So what’s your take NYC – I’m pretty happy overall. Mostly because they were patient and didn’t waste assets to get guys (JP / Benson) that simply fell to them. I guess if guys fall to you without cost you are patient – but if you don’t make the deal and they get picked you are a “ditherer”. Columbus was trying to get an asset from us to move up to #3 and Chia said Benson was the guy they were thinking about moving up for yesterday. They got both anyway.

    I like all the Euros and Benson – and I’ll have to dig into the goalie a bit more. At some point you do have to put up numbers but goalies at all levels have seasons that go sideways. Seems like some smart people think the kid has talent – so he will be on my watch list – and not very many late round goalies we pick are worth the time.

  20. stephen sheps says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Indeed we have had this conversation before, and I maintain that Scandinavia refers to a linguistic and cultural group, unlike your example of Canadians being referenced to as (North) Americans based on nationality. It’s an apples to oranges comparison – though I will defer to Swedish Poster if he chooses to engage in this silly and, as I admitted to before, utterly pedantic topic of conversation.

    If we really want to get into the nuts and bolts of how languages and nationalities/nationalism inform each other, we should likely chat offline so as not to interfere with a wonderful draft day conversation about hockey.

    On that note… Puljujärvi WOOOOOT!!!!

  21. OF17 says:

    From what I can tell, Puljujarvi looks talented enough to score 40 points in an offensive role next year while being responsible defensively. That’s an NHL player, and his versatility would be a huge addition. We finally have a RHS with a one-timer, and his playmaking is good enough to play the Hemsky role on the 2nd PP. He also has the size and finesse to play the slot role. And that speed, good god. Going to give defensemen fits.

    I think he’s an NHL player next year, and despite the Oilers’ tendency to rush, I think that’s a good decision.

  22. zatch says:

    My sense with Wells was he was formerly highly touted guy who scouts were keen on, and that one way or another, someone was going to take him. He seems to be a “tools” guy that coaches and scouts hope will put it together.

    Desharnais was just illogical. I don’t see a single thing beyond “big” that’s worth a damn.

  23. Stelio Kontos says:

    The bonus situation is interesting, because even if Jesse is ready, he might not be the best use of funds.

  24. 36 percent body fat says:

    this was the pick over kuznetsov. This one reaks of 2014 and mact.

    What was the point of this. Will never even see AHL. Career ECHL guy.

    This is where the goalie should have been drafted. Sambrook where the goalie was picked, and kuznetsov wher mdphee was drafted.

    That would be an A++ draft. I guess B+ isnt to bad_

  25. OilClog says:

    Bah, after who got got at #4 anything else is a steal for the draft.

    Thank you Columbus!

    Chia’s smile was like seeing his first mountain bike.

    Stamkos wants to be up the middle wherever he signs.

    Hall/Stamkos/Drai
    Lucic/McDavid/Puj

  26. OF17 says:

    Parayko should be a lesson in not discounting these guys too soon. With his stat line and league, we would’ve been pissed if the Oilers had taken him when the Blues did. Past the 3rd round it’s a crapshoot anyways. Who knows how these guys turn out.

    Overall quite pleased with this draft. Got a lot of guys that are intriguing in a lot of different positions. RW, LW, LHD, RHD, G, RHC. Lots of really good bets. Two drafts in a row I like what Chiarelli and Green are doing.

  27. PunjabiOil says:

    The Wild has had trade talks with the Edmonton Oilers about center Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, although all Oilers skilled forwards not named Connor McDavid are also said to be in play. The Oilers appear to want right-shot Matt Dumba and other pieces, including next year’s second-rounder.

    Fletcher, after trading scores of second-round picks since 2013 and seeing second-rounders Brett Bulmer and Raphael Bussieres flame out, is hesitant to further mortgage the future.

    http://www.startribune.com/what-s-next-for-the-wild-after-a-dull-day-2-of-draft/384392081/

    ____________

    Hopefully ‘and other pieces” mean something more than throw ins.

  28. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    stephen sheps,

    Yeah,

    stephen sheps:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Indeed we have had this conversation before, and I maintain that Scandinavia refers to a linguistic and cultural group, unlike your example of Canadians being referenced to as (North) Americans based on nationality. It’s an apples to oranges comparison – though I will defer to Swedish Poster if he chooses to engage in this silly and, as I admitted to before, utterly pedantic topic of conversation.

    If we really want to get into the nuts and bolts of how languages and nationalities/nationalism inform each other, we should likely chat offline so as not to interfere with a wonderful draft day conversation about hockey.

    On that note… Puljujärvi WOOOOOT!!!!

    I think Nordic just is more inclusive. That’s what I was referring to, not the specifics of history or linguistic commonalities. It’s a wider net than Scandinavian in this case.

    If you say Nordic, you will be including Finland.
    If you say American, you are including Canada, Mexico, etc., everyone in the Americas (except those estadounidenses appropriated the word for themselves!)

    So, Edmonton went Nordic this weekend is appropriate, I think.

  29. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    AsiaOil:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    So what’s your take NYC – I’m pretty happy overall. Mostly because they were patient and didn’t waste assets to get guys (JP / Benson) that simply fell to them. I guess if guys fall to you without cost you are patient – but if you don’t make the deal and they get picked you are a “ditherer”. Columbus was trying to get an asset from us to move up to #3 and Chia said Benson was the guy they were thinking aboutmoving up for yesterday. They got both anyway.

    I like all the Euros and Benson – and I’ll have to dig into the goalie a bit more. At some point you do have to put up numbers but goalies at all levels have seasons that go sideways. Seems like some smart people think the kid has talent – so he will be on my watch list – and not very many late round goalies we pick are worth the time.

    Yep, you can have some minor grousing at the end, but all 3 Finns and the Swede are good picks, and Benson, if he gets healthy and pans out could be excellent (the saw him good crowd really likes him).

    All the D except Desharnais (don’t know on him) are known for their good skating and intelligence, regardless of size or handedness. And they can move the puck.

    That’s a good draft in my books.

  30. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    I also think that if the Oilers had taken Berglund at 84 and Cairns at 91 people would be happier, so…what can you say about that.

  31. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    While I don’t love this pick, I’m giving Chia the benefit of the doubt on drafting D given how much he knocked it out of the park last year going a clear 4/4 in the late rounds. Interested to see what happens with this kid.

  32. maxwell_mischief says:

    I was too quick to rip on Niemelainen… he looks good. Going to be a beautiful skater
    The Oilers system now has Niemelainen, Paigin, Bear, and Berglund who I think are solid d prospects. Cairns seems like a project, and Caleb Jones deserves some respect.
    Still would have rather Kyrou, or Debrincat at 32
    But Benson is a solid prospect. Hope he has a bounce back year.
    Very pleased with Rasanen, and Mcphee. Seem like solid bets in late rounds. Mcphee could emerge with more opportunity, and Rasanen seems solid overall. Was he like 70% in the dot at U18?

  33. bendelson says:

    Well, I went in to this draft optimistic and came out very satisfied.
    Having no qualms with 4 of the first 5 selections made is a big victory IMO.

    Sure, Sambrook and Quenneville would have been icing on the cake in those later rounds, but alas, one can’t have it all (and I really like the 6th round selection).

    Nicely done Chiarelli.

  34. Water Fire says:

    This pick is a head scratcher. Doesn’t fit the pattern of the others. This player type is done in the NHL unless open ice tackling comes back.

  35. jonrmcleod says:

    OF17: Parayko should be a lesson in not discounting these guys too soon.

    One well-known Oilers blog gave the Blues an F for their 2012 draft.

  36. stephen sheps says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    stephen sheps,

    Yeah,

    I think Nordic just is more inclusive. That’s what I was referring to, not the specifics of history or linguistic commonalities. It’s a wider net than Scandinavian in this case.

    If you say Nordic, you will be including Finland.
    If you say American, you are including Canada, Mexico, etc., everyone in the Americas (except those estadounidenses appropriated the word for themselves!)

    So, Edmonton went Nordic this weekend is appropriate, I think.

    So we agree then. Excellent.

  37. delooper says:

    Younger Oil,

    I think Fins consider themselves to be Baltic people, not Scandinavians.

  38. Магия 10 says:

    delooper:
    Younger Oil,

    I think Fins consider themselves to be Baltic people, not Scandinavians.

    And Canadians think of themselves as North American not American.

  39. Jordan says:

    JDï™:
    Chia’s day two presser:

    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/video/raw–chiarelli-after-draft-day-2/t-277437406/c-44291203

    Wow, this presser is gold.

    Sounds like Gryba is coming back – there’s your 3RD.

    If they aren’t moving Fayne, then we’re only looking for a partner for Dreamy.

    I hope that’s not Brodin – I fear that would really limit our Defensive upside next year.

    If we have to sign Demers as an option this summer, even at Sekera money, I think that might be okay – as long as you leave him exposed during the expansion draft.

    Has anyone heard if Benning is getting fined by the league for tampering?

  40. 719 says:

    Kuznetsov can be invited to camp — so there is hope. Surprised no one took a 7th round flyer on him. Also some of the 7th rounders seemed like they really could have gone higher in this draft.

    Overall pretty happy with the draft.

  41. Магия 10 says:

    PunjabiOil: Hopefully ‘and other pieces” mean something more than throw ins

    It never does. Steak knives or floor mats?
    The correct answer to I can make it bigger is to ask for a better D back or to add more real players so the upgrades run both ways.

    As pointed out on Saturday extra you can overpay year round. If you have a serious partner to swap talent fine. Work other plans until then.

  42. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Reposting this here so the video resources are easy to find:

    NYCOIL “GENTLEMAN BACKPACKER” says:
    June 25, 2016 at 12:19 pm
    LT, in case you want to use’em for your post tonight, this YouTube channel by “bigwhite06” has some really nice video packages from the U-18s. The bonus is we get to listen to Button’s take on these guys as well.
    Puljujarvi:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfrt2wYl_Ro
    Rasanen:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NQIskeWvkQ
    Niemelainen:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szu0m3OxF38
    And then the bonus fun behind-the-scenes with Puljujarvi that will make E-Town love this kid
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImvehTJSlyw

  43. Receptor Antagonist says:

    Pulju is eligible for the AHL next season, correct?

    Unless he is absolutely lights out in camp, I hope they give him similar treatment to how the Leaves brought along Nylander.

  44. Chris says:

    Yea I’m really surprised that Kuznetsov didn’t get taken. I wanted the Oilers to draft him. However, NHL teams don’t like players buggering off to the KHL. So I suppose the kid has to prove that he doesn’t want to go home.

  45. LoDog says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Thanks for that seems like an awesome kid and a little skill too.

    5 years out this could be the best player in the draft. Kid is good. Real good. Haha columbus you idiots.

  46. AsiaOil says:

    The Columbus GM is a very smart guy and PLD is one hell of a prospect – they will do fine – and so will we. Best result overall.

    LoDog:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Thanks for that seems like an awesome kid and a little skill too.

    5 years out this could be the best player in the draft. Kid is good. Real good. Haha columbus you idiots.

  47. Магия 10 says:

    Jordan: I hope that’s not Brodin

    I want to sell low on our top 6 200 ft centre to add to the Oil’s leftorium and magic bean collection. Said no one at all ever.

  48. AsiaOil says:

    I’d be happy picking up Dumba and playing him with Davidson on the 3rd pair. Same with Severson. Sign Demers to a non-NMC contract and pair with Klef and it’s good enough for one off-season. Not sure why Minnesota wants to get rid of Dumba – maybe expansion draft – I’d want to off-load Brodin first to be honest. Would not involve RNH in either of those deals though. Ebs maybe as replacing a winger through UFA is not hard – but not RNH unless he’s in a package for a top pair guy.

    One more thing – we might want to keep Yak for one more year – value totally in the toilet but might be a good expansion draft sacrifice if he has a decent year. Pedigree, talent, not too expensive. Could be worth keeping him for that reason alone. Yak for Sobotka’s rights also works for me.

  49. Ryan says:

    Jordan: Wow, this presser is gold.

    Sounds like Gryba is coming back – there’s your 3RD.

    If they aren’t moving Fayne, then we’re only looking for a partner for Dreamy.

    I hope that’s not Brodin – I fear that would really limit our Defensive upside next year.

    If we have to sign Demers as an option this summer, even at Sekera money, I think that might be okay – as long as you leave him exposed during the expansion draft.

    Has anyone heard if Benning is getting fined by the league for tampering?

    I don’t know how a team can afford $11m or 15% of next year’s cap on their second pairing.

  50. Jethro Tull says:

    Ryan: I don’t know how a team can afford $11m or 15% of next year’s cap on their second pairing.

    By not having a first pairing.

  51. JDï™ says:

    AsiaOil: PLD is one hell of a prospect

    Agreed. Columbus didn’t go as far off board for PLD, as when the Jets picked Scheifele, if I recall. The Jets aren’t regretting that decision at all these days.

  52. Ryan says:

    Jethro Tull: By not having a first pairing.

    Exactly.

    Granted Sekera or Klefbomb / Demers is a better pairing than anything the Oilers currently have or are now likely to acquire for next season,it’s a ton of dead cap space going forward to spend $11m on Sekera/Demers.

    I think Sekera / Demers will give the Oilers a chance some nights, but on the whole will likely get their teeth kicked on over the course of the next 82 games.

    The year after that, they will severely limit flexibility in making improvements.

  53. Oil2Oilers says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Reposting this here so the video resources are easy to find:

    NYCOIL “GENTLEMAN BACKPACKER” says:
    June 25, 2016 at 12:19 pm
    LT, in case you want to use’em for your post tonight, this YouTube channel by “bigwhite06” has some really nice video packages from the U-18s. The bonus is we get to listen to Button’s take on these guys as well.
    Puljujarvi:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfrt2wYl_Ro
    Rasanen:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NQIskeWvkQ
    Niemelainen:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szu0m3OxF38
    And then the bonus fun behind-the-scenes with Puljujarvi that will make E-Town love this kid
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImvehTJSlyw

    Rasanen looks like Lander before the Oilers broke him.

  54. semi legendary rot lobster says:

    Ryan,

    whats your alternative

    2 top 4 pairings is better than 1 top 4 pairing which is what the oil have now

    and thats if im being optimistic

  55. Gret99zky says:

    It will be much easier watching the PLD vs. Tkachuk debate/comparison from afar.

    All the while, Puljujarvi surpasses Matthews and Laine in PPG.

    Muuuhuuuhahahaha.

  56. AsiaOil says:

    FYI – looks like China gets a KHL team next year. Red Star Kunlun will play out of Beijing – maybe with Kovalchuk and Keenan as coach.

  57. Woodguy says:

    Pronman gives the Oilers a A- draft.

    Source: http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/16505368/2016-nhl-draft-grades-analysis-draft-class-every-nhl-team

    Warning – subscription needed.

    Won’t repeat it all here out of respect for their need to make money, but Pronman sees McPhee much differently than everyone here as we can just look at boxcars.

    Graham McPhee didn’t put up a ton of points this season, but I would certainly count him as a highly skilled player.

    Also mentions that Wells moves well with explosive feet and his biggest issues are positional.

    At 6’2″ with the right tools he could be very teachable.

    You’re not drafting Price that late so I don’t hate the pick.

    Chia mentioned in his presser that his goalie guys liked him and I think Dustin Schwartz is a very, very good goalie mind and innovator.

  58. Ryan says:

    semi legendary rot lobster:
    Ryan,

    whats your alternative

    2 top 4 pairings is better than 1 top 4 pairing which is what the oil have now

    and thats if im being optimistic

    The plan, it seemed was for Chiarelli to find a long term solution by trading for a right shot 1/2d. That didn’t happen. Now it seems less likely to happen, but that still remains the *ideal* solution.

    Finding the elusive #1 right shot dman would be a long-term solution to our defensive depth issues. Faulk, Subban,…we can dream.

    Next best scenario would have been a trade for a Barrie, Vatanen, or maybe Hamilton which would at least represent a step forward albeit not ultimately giving us a competitive blue line yet.

    Lastly, we can either kill our cap flexibility by signing Demers which would be a step forward in the short term that would ultimately leave us still with an inadequate blue line… Except now we’re handcuffed with no cap flexibility.

    Or, we can capitulate on actually fixing the blue line and just work towards as much improvement we can achieve without overspending tradable assets or cap space.

    Many here and elsewhere have suggested just getting a base hit by getting a Severson or Pysyk (who’s now gone)… This would be preferable for me to overspending on Demers.

  59. Todd Macallan says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Thanks for posting these. I was already excited for all 3 picks, even moreso now. Niemelainen’s skating and breakout passes, Rasanen’s hockey IQ and every damn thing Puju does were especially impressive. Behind the scenes was great too, feel like the more his english improves the more his personality will come out.

  60. Chris says:

    The whole Demers kills our cap space thing seems over blown to me. He’s the best option available. Yes, we’d all like PK Subban at 7 million dollars better but that’s not on the table. There have been playoff teams and Stanely Cup champions in the last 10 years with thoroughly average defenses, It simply means you have to be strong elsewhere.

    If we can run three good scoring lines, have okay defense and Talbot plays well the Oilers will be a good team. When we had Chris freaking Pronger we got beat by the Carolina Hurricanes whose most notable blueliner was an aged Brett Hedican and the other Kaberle.

  61. godot10 says:

    Gret99zky:
    It will be much easier watching the PLD vs. Tkachuk debate/comparison from afar.

    All the while, Puljujarvi surpasses Matthews and Laine in PPG.

    Muuuhuuuhahahaha.

    Actually PLD vs. Tkachuk AND Tkachuk vs. Benson (AND the other five or so left wings drafted in the first and early 2nd round).

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