SEE THE SKY ABOUT TO RAIN

The draft is done, but the real work of summer remains on the horizon. Peter Chiarelli has mountains of work still on his desk. The draft may have given him an option on NHL RW but the blue remains unsolved and the heavy work remains undone. I think we can begin talking about an exiting portsider, but more on that later.

THE CHIARELLI LIST

  1. Top-pairing RHD (Two-way skills)
  2. Second-pairing RHD (Offensive defenseman)
  3. Acquire RHC with some skill
  4. Backup goalie

None of the major items have been checked off, although the acquisition of Jesse Puljujarvi could impact No. 3 on this list (Leon could stay at center, and the righty would be the Finn). I hesitate to cross everything off because counting on teenagers is an established bad idea in our town. It is also true that all of these young impact forwards carry large bonuses (McDavid, Draisaitl, possibly Puljujarvi) so we should proceed with caution when projecting too far in this regard.

THE CHIARELLI EXTENDED PLAY LIST

  1. Add a “Pisani” who can mentor, score 15, and play a two-way role up and down the lineup.
  2. Re-stock the shelves via the draft (Puljujarvi and the entire draft)
  3. Improve overall team speed (Puljujarvi)
  4. Offload Lauri Korpikoski.
  5. Improve goaltending depth (added Nick Ellis, but not much in draft).
  6. Improve AHL quality (Caggiula, Russell, Ellis, but more is needed).
  7. Cull the LHD herd (have, in fact, added to the LHD group).
  8. Rob the World of something.

I think the first item off the list is improving the prospect depth chart—Edmonton had a good draft (although the order of picks was curious). I will also say the Oilers are now a team that can boast having a strength: Defenseman. My top 20 prospects list has 10 defenders between 1-20 for Edmonton. The club could trade three defensive prospects and not miss a beat.

THE ASSETS LIST

  1. Cap space*
  2. Nail Yakupov
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  4. Taylor Hall
  5. Jordan Eberle
  6. Benoit Pouliot
  7. Mark Fayne
  8. Griffin Reinhart
  9. 2017 1st round selection

All are still here and available. What does that tell you? The big part of the roster shuffle for the NHL team is still to come. In the coming days, certainly leading up to Friday, we could see some interesting names traded as teams try to get out from under cap problems. I would venture a guess that Columbus, the Rangers and Los Angeles may do some unusual things. Edmonton could use just cap hit to grab a solution, and that could happen before Friday. GMs with cap to lose are up against it right now, in real time.

 50-MAN LIST (40)

  1. G Cam Talbot. No. 1 goalie, sounds like someone may be brought in as backup.
  2. G Laurent Brossoit. Should get some competition for backup role.
  3. G Nick Ellis: Should push for AHL playing time.
  4. G Eetu Laurikainen, could be on the Glendale train to Norfolk at times.
  5. D Oscar Klefbom. Top 4D role, as long as he is healthy.
  6. D Andrej Sekera, Top 4D, important part of the team.
  7. D Brandon Davidson, Top 4D, right side or left?
  8. D Mark Fayne, very likely to occupy one of the RH roles.
  9. D Darnell Nurse, bet third pair with Davidson for 2016-17.
  10. D Jordan Oesterle, he is going to push for NHL time. A good young blue.
  11. D Griffin Reinhart, the drafting of JP further complicates his cap issues.
  12. D Andrew Ference, LTIR looks very likely.
  13. D Dillon Simpson, likely to play a prominent role in Bakersfield.
  14. D Joey Laleggia, Condors PP QB as early as this fall (depending on Oesterle)
  15. D Ben Betker, should see more time in the AHL this year.
  16. D Caleb Jones, WHL D. Newly signed, definite slide rule candidate.
  17. C Connor McDavid, he will be in his house this fall.
  18. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, rumors abound. Abound!
  19. C Leon Draisaitl, emerging NHL talent.
  20. C Mark Letestu, checking NHL C.
  21. C Anton Lander, may catch on as utility forward in 2016-17.
  22. C Jujhar Khaira, looking for full time NHL employment.
  23. C Bogdan Yakimov, losing ground to Khaira, race may already be over.
  24. C Kyle Platzer, a strong AHL season is the hope.
  25. L Taylor Hall, he pushes the river and owns possession. Nuff said.
  26. L Benoit Pouliot, underrated winger may be vulnerable to trade.
  27. L Patrick Maroon, an outstanding value contract.
  28. L Lauri Korpikoski, still here and may play this season in Edmonton.
  29. L Matt Hendricks, lots of depth on the wing, will need to fight for time.
  30. L Drake Caggiula. High profile signing, likely to see some NHL time.
  31. L Jere Sallinen, Intriguing winger, seems like an energy type.
  32. L Mitch Moroz, some urgency for a step forward in the coming season.
  33. L Braden Christoffer, uncertain where he will play (AHL/ECHL).
  34. R Jordan Eberle, I think he could score 35 with McDavid.
  35. R Nail Yakupov, sail on post is idling in the driveway.
  36. R Zack Kassian, will play bottom 6F, Chiarelli-style rugged.
  37. R Tyler Pitlick, pleased he re-signed with the Oilers, one more chance.
  38. R Anton Slepyshev, needs to step up the offense, remains a solid prospect.
  39. R Patrick Russell, PF from college, will be fun to track this year.
  40. R Greg Chase, should see plenty of AHL time.

The 50-man list really drives home the areas of weakness. LHD is actually solid to good (Klefbom, Sekera, Davidson, Nurse) with some interesting players bubbling under (Oesterle, Reinhart, Simpson, Laleggia). However, RHD is basically Mark Fayne—and that means the Oilers are going to reduce the quality of LH depth while having men play out of position. Klefbom—Sekera, Davidson—Fayne, Nurse—Oesterle? Oilers need help and July 1 beckons. This is serious stuff. Am I worried? No.

WAITING

  1. R Jesse Puljujarvi, this should happen in the coming days. 2016 draft
  2. R Iiro Pakarinen, Bob has suggested we may see a signing soon. RFA
  3. D Ethan Bear. Also Bob, looks imminent. 2015 draft
  4. D Adam Clendening. Could be a depth signing. RFA.
  5. D David Musil, expect we see him signed or traded. RFA.
  6. L Luke Gazdic. Oilers at 40 contracts, there is room. RFA
  7. R Adam Cracknell, I could see him signing back mid-July. UFA.
  8. D Adam Pardy. At least worth a conversation. UFA.
  9. D Eric Gryba, without a Fayne trade, return seems unlikely. UFA.
  10. D Nikita Nikitin, rumored to be signing with Omsk. UFA
  11. D Brad Hunt, he is such a good AHL player. UFA.
  12. L Josh Winquist, interesting to see where he lands. UFA.
  13. C Marco Roy. AHL contract seems likely. UFA.
  14. L Kale Kessy. Rugged winger, skills duplicated on roster. RFA.
  15. R Andrew Miller. The loan trade likely signaled his exit. UFA.

CURRENT PROJECTION

oilers current roster and cap

WHAT WILL CHIRELLI DO IN FREE AGENCY?

  1. Milan Lucic
  2. Jason Demers
  3. A lesser blue like Dan Boyle, I have seen Jakub Nakladal mentioned, I think Darcy likes Zach Redmond. One year, someone who can be a placeholder until after the expansion draft.

WHAT WILL CHIARELLI DO VIA TRADE?

This will be the big part of tomorrow’s post, but my bet at this point is PC already has an idea about Lucic and Demers and levels of interest. It seems extremely unlikely Chiarelli could or would sign both men—and Oil would still need a hammer from the point—but it is at least possible two free agents are added (with a LW heading out).

  • Lucic—McDavid—Eberle
  • Hall—Nuge—Puljujarvi/Yakupov
  • Pouliot/Maroon—Draisaitl—Pakarinen
  • Hendricks—Letestu—Kassian
  • Klefbom—Demers
  • Sekera—Fayne
  • Nurse—Davidson
  • Talbot, Brossoit

A fun week ahead! I think!

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  1. Richard S.S. says:

    Sign that lesser D to two years so there’s options for the Expansion Draft.

  2. geowal says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Sign that lesser D to two years so there’s options for the Expansion Draft.

    Agreed, this is the easy solution, it just has to also be someone you are willing to have in year two should they not be chosen

  3. PaperDesigner says:

    If the Oilers do no more than sign Lucic and Demers, and trade Pouliot for a second-pairing defenceman, I would be relatively happy with the offseason. Not because it represents the roster being “fixed” (although I would use the word “better”), but because they didn’t deal away a core piece up front for eighty cents on the dollar.

    I am a little perplexed that we are targeting Lucic, and not Okposo, though. RW seems to be more of a position of need than LW, doesn’t it?

  4. Richard S.S. says:

    So with Demers and Sekera, the Oilers will have $11.0 Million tied up for second pairing costs. That’s never going to happen. Klefbom might be first pairing material, but no one else is.

  5. npanciroli says:

    I’ve warmed up to a RNH + Reinhart/Yakupov for Coyle (RHC) + Dumba type deal, then add Demers/Johnson/Stempniak in FA.

    I would rather keep RNH and look at a Nurse for Trouba/Hamonic swap since Nurse has expansion exemption and I think that has a lot of value.

    Hall – Draisaitl – Puljujärvi
    Pouliot – McDavid – Eberle
    Maroon – Coyle – Stempniak
    Hendricks – Letestu – Kassian
    Lander/Pakarinen

    Klefbom – Demers
    Sekera – Fayne
    Davidson – Dumba
    Oesterle

    Talbot
    Johnson

  6. Younger Oil says:

    I’m starting to doubt a trade for a Top 4 D will happen.

  7. PaperDesigner says:

    Richard S.S.:
    So with Demers and Sekera, the Oilers will have $11.0 Million tied up for second pairing costs.That’s never going to happen.Klefbom might be first pairing material, but no one else is.

    I would wait and see about Demers’ price point. Just because he wants five and a half doesn’t mean that there will be a team willing to give it to him, or willing at the term that he’s looking for.

    Also, on this team, they would be 2A and 2B in terms of role.

    I also wonder if we might see the salary cap begin to grow again. That might make both their contracts more palatable in the back half of their term.

  8. Richard S.S. says:

    Chiarelli will do everything he can to get a #1 D, no matter how long it takes. He said there were only 12 number ones in Hockey. There will be a few more, not #1 but more than a #2 D. The rest will be #2 trying to do a number one D job. I think one of those types would be fine if he can play with Klefbom.

  9. Richard S.S. says:

    PaperDesigner,

    It doesn’t matter what they would be on the Oilers, they are 2nd pairing talent to their opponents.

  10. stush18 says:

    I’m really thinking chia is going to have to trade one of the austins, so that we dont have to protect as many players.

    Hall, ebs, nuge, sekera, maroon, pouliot, Klef, Davidson, new guy, fayne, talbot, backup, Reinhart, yakupov.

    Now if you traded ebs or nuge for a dman, you have less to protect.

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  12. stush18 says:

    Also unfortunately I can’t see chia getting full value on any trade for nuge. This could be seen as good, cuz I love nuge, but it means one of ebs or hall is fetching that piece.

    Everywhere I read, fans think nuge is worth less than the players they have.

  13. OF17 says:

    npanciroli:
    I’ve warmed up to a RNH + Reinhart/Yakupov for Coyle (RHC) + Dumba type deal, then add Demers/Johnson/Stempniak in FA.

    I too like that deal. Coyle brings almost Nuge’s level of offense, and Dumba is a really good bet to become a 2RD with an outside shot at 1RD. A little worried that it doesn’t leave us with a true PvP line, and Dumba isn’t quite ready for primetime, but it would set us up nicely for the future. Also re-sets the salary structure a bit with Coyle making $3.2 million for the next 4 years and Dumba likely getting around the Klefbom deal.

    It would also mean I might not recognize the Oilers team in the fall. That would bring our legit NHL forwards with size quotient to Pouliot, Hendricks, Maroon, Kassian, Draisaitl, Puljujarvi, Coyle, and Pakarinen (Pakarinen is a legit 4RW IMO). Even removing Coyle from the equation, that’s a massive improvement from one year ago, when realistically only Pouliot and Hendricks qualified.

    I don’t want the Oilers to become a goon squad, but being able to at least compete physically with the Anaheims of the world is huge. Chicago is a skill team, but a lot of their success has come from being able to play the game in many different ways, including the rough stuff. I’ll never forget Toews repeatedly chipping the puck in Chara’s corner in 2013 as a challenge to the rest of his team. “Yeah, he’s a big motherfucker, and he’s been giving us the business, but so what?” Until a few months ago, this team lacked the ability to compete on that level, and I have to credit Chiarelli with that transformation.

  14. stevezie says:

    More than ever it makes sense to trade Nurse.

    Those forwards look beautiful. Beautiful! If we can fix the D without touching them we are crazy not to do it. Sinful almost.

    Yes picks and cap space is even better (I’d be shopping next year’s first all over), but if only Nurse can get you Hamonic- or even Dumba- you’ve just got to do it.

  15. PaperDesigner says:

    stevezie:
    More than ever it makes sense to trade Nurse.

    Those forwards look beautiful. Beautiful! If we can fix the D without touching them we are crazy not to do it. Sinful almost.

    Yes picks and cap space is even better (I’d be shopping next year’s first all over), but if only Nurse can get you Hamonic- or even Dumba- you’ve just got to do it.

    If you find the right deal (if it gets you Hamonic, for instance), sure. But the fact that he doesn’t need to be protected for the expansion draft does add significantly to his value.

  16. OF17 says:

    stevezie,

    Agreed. Nurse is a really good prospect, but the time is now, and establishing balance is extremely important. Plus, there are likely still many GMs in the league that overrate his contributions due to his size, strength, and athleticism. He’s going to be a fine player, but we have Klefbom-Sekera as good LHD for at least the next 3 years with Davidson and Reinhart in waiting. Time is now to trade Nurse.

  17. Магия 10 says:

    Магия 10,

    4 (for Spurgeon) and 5,and 6 doesn’t make sense since both Boyle and Redmond are UFAs.

    Thanks, Fixed. Last option is now:

    6. Sign a less valuable UFA (e.g. Boyle or Redmond)

  18. Richard S.S. says:

    Teams should be working out who to “dump” to comply with 7-3-1 or 8-1 protection plans. Some/many teams are overloaded and need to start making plans before Free Agency. Rosters could be frozen next year anytime after the trade deadline.

  19. stephen sheps says:

    I am warming up to Dumba but not necessarily at the cost of Nuge. If Coyle comes back, I’ll get over it I think. If it’s Coyle and Spurgeon rather than Coyle and Dumba, I’m thrilled. Seems unlikely, but at this time of year, smoke sometimes means fire rather than B.C’s most famous export…. (on the other hand, some of those rumours we’ve been hearing makes me think it might actually be the latter rather than the former going on).

    There is one other thing that doesn’t seem to be discussed much, and while I don’t necessarily think he should be counted on, in (very) limited minutes Davidson did pretty well from the point. He has a sneaky good and hard shot. In no way am I considering anointing him the new PP1 QB, but he’s worth a look on PP2 if the only major RHD acquisition is a Demers type.

  20. Frank the dog says:

    Магия 10:
    The second annual GR Memorial Poll.

    If you want to try out making some hard choices please rank your preferences.

    Assume that nothing better is available this month (no depleting of the leftorium ) and that sweeteners are available in most cases.

    1. Hall for Hamonic, sign Lucic

    2. Nuge for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    3. Drai for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    4. Ebs for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    5. Sign Demers

    6. Pouliot for Boyle (or Redmond if you prefer)

    Answers on one line. Exclude options you will NEVER do.

    Me: 5, 6, 4. STOP.

    1,5.
    5 if Hall hasn’t asked out.

  21. Walter Sobchak says:

    PaperDesigner,

    PaperDesigner: If you find the right deal (if it gets you Hamonic, for instance), sure. But the fact that he doesn’t need to be protected for the expansion draft does add significantly to his value.

    I find this way of thinking to safe…..

    Nurse projects to be a second pairing Dman, Hamonic is a 1st pairing Dman.
    What are you waiting for here?

    If you can land a first pairing Dman and it take’s you Nurse by Gord the Oilers have to look real hard at it.

  22. Магия 10 says:

    Frank the dog: 1,5.
    5 if Hall hasn’t asked out.

    Thanks. Will score that as 5. And add the assumption he has not.

  23. OF17 says:

    PaperDesigner: If you find the right deal (if it gets you Hamonic, for instance), sure. But the fact that he doesn’t need to be protected for the expansion draft does add significantly to his value.

    Which I guess could be another reason to trade him, right? I have a strange feeling that Nurse’s value this summer will be at its highest point for the next 3-5 years at least. Going off of NYCOIL’s recent points about running franchises more like trading desks, that’s the perfect time to sell.

    I’m with LT in that we shouldn’t focus on expansion so much. The more we acquire good players, the more good players we’ll be left with after expansion. And while the thought of losing Davidson worries me, is Las Vegas really going to shop for D at one of the worst defensive teams in recent years? It’s going to be Pouliot or Yak IMO, not a hidden gem on our 3rd pair.

  24. rayrayjj says:

    Get to cheap defense men,if that’s Weidman and someone else off load Eb’s and Benoit Pouliot, sign Milan Lucic and trade Darnell nurse for Trouba and we get a couple of the farm kids to fight for #4 Center men

  25. stephen sheps says:

    Магия 10,

    5, 4 (only Spurgeon, not Dumba if it’s a straight 1 for 1 in this scenario). nothing more.

    Good poll

  26. Pouzar says:

    Walter Sobchak: Nurse projects to be a second pairing Dman

    Good to know.

  27. npanciroli says:

    By all accounts the Oilers sound stubborn on not trading Nurse. I agree he is the perfect trade chip for a RHD.

  28. Walter Sobchak says:

    LT.

    I think your asset list is short two players.

    4. Draisiatl

    8. Nurse

    I heard Draisaitls name this past week as much as I heard RNH.

  29. PaperDesigner says:

    Магия 10:
    The second annual GR Memorial Poll.

    If you want to try making some hard choices join in and rank your preferences.

    Assume that nothing better is available this month (no depleting of the leftorium ) and that sweeteners are available in most cases.

    1. Hall for Hamonic, sign Lucic

    2. Nuge for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    3. Drai for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    4. Ebs for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    5. Sign Demers

    6. Sign a less valuable UFA (e.g. Boyle or Redmond)

    Answers on one line. Exclude options you will NEVER do.

    Me: 5, 6, 4. STOP.

    4, 5. But I would be looking for a RW in free agency if we dealt Eberle.

  30. spoiler says:

    Магия 10:
    The second annual GR Memorial Poll.

    If you want to try making some hard choices join in and rank your preferences.

    Assume that nothing better is available this month (no depleting of the leftorium ) and that sweeteners are available in most cases.

    1. Hall for Hamonic, sign Lucic

    2. Nuge for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    3. Drai for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    4. Ebs for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    5. Sign Demers

    6. Sign a less valuable UFA (e.g. Boyle or Redmond)

    Answers on one line. Exclude options you will NEVER do.

    Me: 5, 6, 4. STOP.

    I don’t really like any of these options. 5 if the number/term are reasonable. They won’t be.

  31. bobinyvr says:

    Just for giggles … found this 2017 mock draft at http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2017/

    19th overall … Edmonton picks Kasper Kotkansalo D Espoo Blues (SM-liiga) 6′ 2″ 190

    19th!! Nineteenth!! Playoffs baby!!

  32. PaperDesigner says:

    Walter Sobchak:
    LT.

    I think your asset list is short two players.

    4. Draisiatl

    8. Nurse

    I heard Draisaitls name this past week as much as I heard RNH.

    That had a lot to do with the Subban rumours. Unless there’s a similar defenceman available, I doubt Draisaitl gets dealt.

  33. Walter Sobchak says:

    Pouzar: Good to know.

    You can disagree, but his numbers are below Jones. If you use Jones as a comparable.

  34. Магия 10 says:

    spoiler: I don’t really like any of these options.5 if the number/term are reasonable.They won’t be.

    Yeah, Only included hard to swallow options.

  35. Walter Sobchak says:

    PaperDesigner: That had a lot to do with the Subban rumours. Unless there’s a similar defenceman available, I doubt Draisaitl gets dealt.

    We wait….

  36. OF17 says:

    Магия 10,

    Deleted my previous comment on this, but for the record, I think we should do either 4 or 5 and couple it with 6 to acquire a partner for Davidson. If #4, it would have to be for Spurgeon and would have to include signing a legit RW option like Troy Brouwer.

  37. Lowetide says:

    Walter Sobchak:
    LT.

    I think your asset list is short two players.

    4. Draisiatl

    8. Nurse

    I heard Draisaitls name this past week as much as I heard RNH.

    We will see. I would be open to trading either, but do not believe the organization has plans to based on my reading of tea leaves

  38. Pouzar says:

    spoiler: I don’t really like any of these options.5 if the number/term are reasonable.They won’t be.

    +1

  39. Магия 10 says:

    Final Corrections. Thanks OF17 and Frank, and Spoiler. Feel free to revote if needed.

    The second annual GR Memorial Poll.

    If you want to try making some hard choices join in and rank your preferences.

    Assume none of the Austins has asked to leave.

    Assume that nothing better is available this month (no depleting of the leftorium )

    Assume that sweeteners are available if needed.

    1. Hall for Hamonic, sign Lucic

    2. Nuge for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    3. Drai for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    4. Ebs for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    5. Sign Demers to a long expensive contract

    6. Sign a less valuable UFA (e.g. Boyle or Redmond)

    Answers on one line. Exclude options you will NEVER do.

    Me: 5, 6, 4. STOP.

  40. Frank the dog says:

    Магия 10:
    CORRECTED. Thanks OF17 and Frank. (Add 6 if you wish to)

    The second annual GR Memorial Poll.

    If you want to try making some hard choices join in and rank your preferences.

    Assume none of the Austins has asked to leave.

    Assume that nothing better is available this month (no depleting of the leftorium )

    Assume that sweeteners are available if needed.

    1. Hall for Hamonic, sign Lucic

    2. Nuge for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    3. Drai for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    4. Ebs for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)

    5. Sign Demers

    6. Sign a less valuable UFA (e.g. Boyle or Redmond)

    Answers on one line. Exclude options you will NEVER do.

    Me: 5, 6, 4. STOP.

    In which case, I would think Chia takes 5,6.

  41. theDjdj says:

    Richard S.S.:
    PaperDesigner,

    It doesn’t matter what they would be on the Oilers, they are 2nd pairing talent to their opponents.

    This doesn’t get said enough. Thank you for the wisdom. Buying/drafting players and playing them above their rank because the team is bad: the number one reason we’re still awful after 10 years.

  42. Магия 10 says:

    Pouzar: +1

    +1.

    Added long and expensive to assumptions.

  43. OF17 says:

    Lowetide: We will see. I would be open to trading either, but do not believe the organization has plans to based on my reading of tea leaves

    I agree with that. I see Draisaitl as more likely to move than Nurse, which is exactly backwards to how I’d have it, but I think you’re right that Chiarelli will be extremely loathe to trade either.

  44. Walter Sobchak says:

    Lowetide: We will see. I would be open to trading either, but do not believe the organization has plans to based on my reading of tea leaves

    Thanks for that LT.

  45. VOR says:

    Spoiler, pouzar, while I agree with you that I don’t like any of the options and that Demers is likely to be prohibitively expensive, I am curious what you would propose as an alternative.

    Personally, I would see if I could trade Yakupov for Robbie Russo. I would trade the 2017 first round pick to Columbus for Savard and Paliotta.That would make Savard, Fayne, and Russo your right side with Paliotta bubbling under.Savard is cheaper help than Demers, Russo was stunning in the AHL and Paliotta continues to be that oddest of creatures, a headhunter with sometimes surprising offence.I am not sure what I would do about replacing Yak in the lineup.

  46. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Option 7: trade some picks for Petry so Montreal can have the money to get their number one C and sign Stamkos. I reckon a 2nd and a 5th should do it, cause he is overpaid and doesn’t hit people, but since we owe our 2nd next year to Boston, let’s call it a 3rd and 4th and call it a day!

    😛

  47. Pouzar says:

    VOR:
    Spoiler, pouzar, while I agree with you that I don’t like any of the options and that Demers is likely to be prohibitively expensive, I am curious what you would propose as an alternative.

    Personally, I would see if I could trade Yakupov for Robbie Russo. I would trade the 2017 first round pick to Columbus for Savard and Paliotta.That would make Savard, Fayne, and Russo your right side with Paliotta bubbling under.Savard is cheaper help than Demers, Russo was stunning in the AHL and Paliotta continues to be that oddest of creatures, a headhunter with sometimes surprising offence.I am not sure what I would do about replacing Yak in the lineup.

    I propose a lot of those deals would have been made by now if Chia wanted.
    I propose not selling low on Nuge.

  48. JonyPro says:

    Jesse Puljujarvi asked if Lauri Korpikoski played for the Oilers still……..

    *cough*

  49. PaperDesigner says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Option 7: trade some picks for Petry so Montreal can have the money to get their number one C and sign Stamkos. I reckon a 2nd and a 5th should do it, cause he is overpaid and doesn’t hit people, but since we owe our 2nd next year to Boston, let’s call it a 3rd and 4th and call it a day!

    *Sigh* I miss Jeff Petry.

  50. MrEd says:

    JonyPro,

    I noticed that too. Korpse has respect amongst the Finns.

  51. stevezie says:

    Магия 10,

    I’ve never doneone if these polls. Why not

    5, 6, 3, 4 stop.

    Not too thrilled about 4 though. There’s a lot of options i go through first. Even 3…

    To be honest i like the vr plan better, and have no concerns about replacing yak.

  52. Woogie63 says:

    Does anyone know the date and schedule for the Oiler’s rookie ordination camp in Jasper?

  53. bobisafan says:

    Looking to be in on stamps, pry several out of new Jersey, pry harmonic out of Brooklyn. The cost is one of the 6 million boys, draft picks 2 and and lower. What’s not to like.

  54. bobisafan says:

    Damn auto correct, that should be stamkos, and severson.

  55. spoiler says:

    VOR: Spoiler, pouzar, while I agree with you that I don’t like any of the options and that Demers is likely to be prohibitively expensive, I am curious what you would propose as an alternative

    It’s almost impossible to say really without having some idea of the desperation level of the other GMs.

    I’ve listed my targets on here before… Myers/Trouble, Shatty/Pietrangelo, PK, Hamonic.

    I’d be curious to know the ask on Savard and Barrie.

    The 2017 1st and Nurse/Reinhart/Pouliot/Yak are my starting points for negotiations… see if we can make it rain.

    Jesus VOR you are disappearing for a long time between posts! Don’t be such a stranger!

  56. Lackadaisical says:

    Can someone answer me this: What’s the maximum amount of time that can be taken before an offer sheet is resolved?

    Offer sheet Dumba 5×5, Korpse for Wideman, sign Demers under 6 with no NMC-or a Nurse+ for Hamonic do it for anyone?

  57. JonyPro says:

    MrEd,

    May affect the young Finn’s thinking if the older Finn is traded away or sent to AHL. My 2 cents anyway.

  58. slopitch says:

    Id rather trade for David Savard then out bid 12 other teams on Demers. Columbus has cap issues and might move Savard for a pick. I agree about Oilers getting Lucic. It’s a good match.

    Exciting times. I’m really liking the oilers forward group. It’s looking right now that the oilers have a top 5 forward group and a bottom 5 D group. If they can add to the d without moving a major F asset, this team could get good quickly. Unfortunately we have to wait till pick drop to know what the roster will look like. Oilers need a leddy/boychuk summer.

  59. JimmyV1965 says:

    npanciroli:
    I’ve warmed up to a RNH + Reinhart/Yakupov for Coyle (RHC) + Dumba type deal, then add Demers/Johnson/Stempniak in FA.

    I would rather keep RNH and look at a Nurse for Trouba/Hamonic swap since Nurse has expansion exemption and I think that has a lot of value.

    Hall – Draisaitl – Puljujärvi
    Pouliot – McDavid – Eberle
    Maroon – Coyle – Stempniak
    Hendricks – Letestu – Kassian
    Lander/Pakarinen

    Klefbom – Demers
    Sekera – Fayne
    Davidson – Dumba
    Oesterle

    Talbot
    Johnson

    </blockquote
    There is no way Minny does the deal, trading a C for a marginally better C and a much better RHD for a LHD.

  60. JimmyV1965 says:

    stush18:
    Also unfortunately I can’t see chia getting full value on any trade for nuge. This could be seen as good, cuz I love nuge, but it means one of ebs or hall is fetching that piece.

    Everywhere I read, fans think nuge is worth less than the players they have.

    Agree with this totally. We might have to trade Drai. His value is much higher than RNH even though it’s far from established that he is better.

  61. Woodguy says:

    Lackadaisical:
    Can someone answer me this: What’s the maximum amount of time that can be taken before an offer sheet is resolved?

    Offer sheet Dumba 5×5, Korpse for Wideman, sign Demers under 6 with no NMC-or a Nurse+ for Hamonic do it for anyone?

    Once the player has signed the new contract his existing team has a week to decide.

  62. Lackadaisical says:

    Woodguy,

    Thank you.

  63. MrEd says:

    Hall-Leon-Yak/Pitlick
    Maroon-McDavid-Ebs
    Poo/Korpse-RNH-JP
    Hendi-Letestu-Pak/Kassian
    Lander.

    Sek-Klef
    Nurse-Fayne
    Davidson-Gryba
    Rhino

    Talbot
    xxx

    Is that everyone that is an NHL player?
    There a couple of unsigned players on the roster. But I digress…

    Caggulia, Slep, Big Bo, JJ, Russell, LDx3… very well might be able to manage some time.

    Is Boyle done?

  64. Jethro Tull says:

    MrEd,

    I would rather sign Boyle or Campbell to 1-2yr contracts than sign Demers to 6 x 6.

    And no to Wideman.

    Just to clarify, nothing against Demers @ $4.5 x 4yrs with no NMC or NTC. But he can’t be in the way when McDavid comes to sign the big boy contract and he says “get me some D to play with, or I’ll go where they have some.”

  65. Woodguy says:

    Interesting story about the drama around the 4th pick on the Oiler’s website.

    Has this very interesting sentence:

    . In fact, the Oilers had a legitimate deal in place for a defenceman that included the fourth pick. However, as they began discussing the moves available the Oilers started to realize that the right move may be to just sit and wait.

    Dollars to dognuts that was PK.

    Maybe Barrie or Spurgeon.

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=887296

  66. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy,

    Damn. As much as i like that big Finn, I would still do that deal.

    Unless he has another deal that would work with Eberle……

    Damn you Jimmy Tight-Lips….I meant Chiarelli!

  67. PaperDesigner says:

    Woodguy:
    Interesting story about the drama around the 4th pick on the Oiler’s website.

    Has this very interesting sentence:

    . In fact, the Oilers had a legitimate deal in place for a defenceman that included the fourth pick. However, as they began discussing the moves available the Oilers started to realize that the right move may be to just sit and wait.

    Dollars to dognuts that was PK.

    Maybe Barrie or Spurgeon.

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=887296

    I hope it wasn’t Subban. I have been extremely bullish on moving heaven and earth to get Subban, and I am not sure I would have let Puljujaarvi stand in the way of that deal. Knowing that it was that close would churn my stomach.

  68. Evilas says:

    I love the forwards on this team. This is what I would, being mindful of the expansion draft and re-upping Drai and CMD.

    High value, low cap hit forward targets: Victor Stalberg LW, he is the ant-Korpikoski as per my research and cand play 3rd line and in a pinch move up to the 2nd and still hold his head above water. He should be available around 2 years x $900,000, hopefully.

    Johnathan Marchessault C, Right Shot. smaller, 25 yrs old, too good for the AHL. Sign him for 3yrs x $675,000 or so. Brings some offence and can play 3rd line in a pinch.

    Trade Korpse + Fayne to Calgary for Wideman.

    UFA’s:

    Demers – he is the only proven 1st pairing free agent available- aim for 5x $4.5 and see if it is in the range.

    Lovejoy – awesome playoffs, offer 2 yrs at $2.5

    Zach Redmond 2 x $750,000

    David Schlemko 2 x $750,000

    Goalie: Chad Johnson 2 x $1.5

    Roster:
    Hall-RNH-Ebs
    Maroon-CMD-Yak
    Poo-Drai-Poolparty
    Hendo/Stalberg-Letestu-Kassian
    Marchessault

    Klef-Demers
    Sek-LJ
    Davy-Wideman
    Schlemko-Redmond

  69. Evilas says:

    Who will be bidding on Demers?

    My guesses are Ottawa, Detroit, Florida, Colorado, Boston, maybe NJ….

    Feedback?

  70. Thor762 says:

    Woodguy,

    Based on how upset Mtl looked after Dubois was selected at 3 I’d have put money on it being Subban.

    The thing is though, Subban is still available. Mtl doesn’t want to have to be chained to him or his cap hit it would seem.

    The good thing for Chia is that the cost of obtaining PK erodes ever lower the closer to 11:59pm of June 30th.

    Still could happen. And the Oilers get to keep Puljujarvi now too.

  71. PaperDesigner says:

    Thor762:
    Woodguy,

    Based on how upset Mtl looked after Dubois was selected at 3 I’d have put money on it being Subban.

    The thing is though, Subban is still available.Mtl doesn’t want to have to be chained to him or his cap hit it would seem.

    The good thing for Chia is that the cost of obtaining PK erodes ever lower the closer to 11:59pm of June 30th.

    Still could happen.And the Oilers get to keep Puljujarvi now too.

    The only package I could see getting Subban, and this is only if Montreal is desperate to move him, is Draisaitl, Nurse and the 2017 1st round pick. I think that’s not enough for Montreal, and anything more from Edmonton would be too much.

  72. Thor762 says:

    Based on what I read and heard reporters and both the Canknuckle and Mtl GM say/not say at the draft to me it seemed liked Montreal wanted to move PK before July 1.

    I would have doubts now that the draft is past that Montreal will get 100 cents on the dollar for Subban. They’ve lost their leverage. IF they want to move him, and their price is too high, the other GM’s can just balk and say, keep the cap hit then. Thereby limiting the moves they can make after July 1.

    Chiarelli is good at playing poker it would appear. It’s nice to see that in an Oilers GM for a change.

  73. Woodguy says:

    Thor762:
    Woodguy,

    Based on how upset Mtl looked after Dubois was selected at 3 I’d have put money on it being Subban.

    The thing is though, Subban is still available.Mtl doesn’t want to have to be chained to him or his cap hit it would seem.

    The good thing for Chia is that the cost of obtaining PK erodes ever lower the closer to 11:59pm of June 30th.

    Still could happen.And the Oilers get to keep Puljujarvi now too.

    Oilers don’t have the Quebecios C to offer now though.

    That’s a massive part of that deal.

  74. Woodguy says:

    Evilas:
    Who will be bidding on Demers?

    My guesses are Ottawa, Detroit, Florida, Colorado, Boston, maybe NJ….

    Feedback?

    TOR needs RHD

  75. Woodguy says:

    Evilas,

    Lovejoy – awesome playoffs, offer 2 yrs at $2.5

    I’m not so sure that Lovejoy is a big drop off from Demers.

    I might dig into him next if I have time.

  76. Woodguy says:

    VOR:
    Spoiler, pouzar, while I agree with you that I don’t like any of the options and that Demers is likely to be prohibitively expensive, I am curious what you would propose as an alternative.

    Personally, I would see if I could trade Yakupov for Robbie Russo. I would trade the 2017 first round pick to Columbus for Savard and Paliotta.That would make Savard, Fayne, and Russo your right side with Paliotta bubbling under.Savard is cheaper help than Demers, Russo was stunning in the AHL and Paliotta continues to be that oddest of creatures, a headhunter with sometimes surprising offence.I am not sure what I would do about replacing Yak in the lineup.

    I keep looking at CBJ’s roster and I see Savard being one of the last things they sacrifice to keep Jones.

    Nice to see you posting again Vor.

  77. Evilas says:

    Do you think a package of 2017 & 18 1st, 2018 2nd + Fayne, Reonhart, Rights to Musil & Laleggia is enough at 11:00 pm on June 30th?

  78. Evilas says:

    Woodguy,

    They are tight against the cap still, they have some dealing left to do I suppose.

  79. Frank the dog says:

    Woogie63:
    Does anyone know the date and schedule for the Oiler’s rookie ordination camp in Jasper?

    May not matter. The place is booked solid. As are most places across Alberta this year.

  80. Woodguy says:

    VOR:
    Spoiler, pouzar, while I agree with you that I don’t like any of the options and that Demers is likely to be prohibitively expensive, I am curious what you would propose as an alternative.

    Personally, I would see if I could trade Yakupov for Robbie Russo. I would trade the 2017 first round pick to Columbus for Savard and Paliotta.That would make Savard, Fayne, and Russo your right side with Paliotta bubbling under.Savard is cheaper help than Demers, Russo was stunning in the AHL and Paliotta continues to be that oddest of creatures, a headhunter with sometimes surprising offence.I am not sure what I would do about replacing Yak in the lineup.

    Do you prefer Russo to Sproul?

    Stauffer mentioned Oilers trying to pick up “a guy from the Eastern Conference who had a cup of coffee in the NHL”

    Sproul would qualify.

  81. Магия 10 says:

    Woodguy:
    Interesting story about the drama around the 4th pick on the Oiler’s website.

    Has this very interesting sentence:

    . In fact, the Oilers had a legitimate deal in place for a defenceman that included the fourth pick. However, as they began discussing the moves available the Oilers started to realize that the right move may be to just sit and wait.

    Dollars to dognuts that was PK.

    Maybe Barrie or Spurgeon.

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=887296

    If the deal was for Subban and predicated on Habs getting Dubois then the decision to wsit would be dictated by the Habs.

    This quote describes a decision the Oil made to wait rather than proceed. Which suggest a team other than Montreal.

  82. Thor762 says:

    Woodguy: Oilers don’t have the Quebecios C to offer now though.

    That’s a massive part of that deal.

    Agreed. That is what they likely wanted.

    In the Drai, Nurse, 2017 1st deal that Paper suggested they could still sell it to their fans that they get their future soon to be #1C in Drai, a future top pairing D in Nurse, and another 1st round pick next year.

    Or swap the 2017 pick for Pouliot. Then they still get a top 2 LW Frenchmen.

  83. Evilas says:

    Woodguy,

    Russo might be easier to acquire. I had hoped we could grab him for Lander.

  84. Woodguy says:

    Evilas:
    Woodguy,

    They are tight against the cap still, they have some dealing left to do I suppose.

    If you are referring to CBJ then I think they buy out Tyutin and Boll first before anything (if they can’t move one of their anchor contracts)

  85. Woodguy says:

    Evilas:
    Woodguy,

    Russo might be easier to acquire.I had hoped we could grab him for Lander.

    Are you Vor? (serious question)

    Not that I don’t welcome your input, but I thought maybe Vor has two SN’s here.

  86. Evilas says:

    Woodguy,

    Sorry, no I am not.

    It’s just that Russo (and Severson) were targets I identified in my research before your excellent work on RHD….I just felt I should jump in.. My apologies

  87. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: TOR needs RHD

    Mars needs women! We are all looking for something!

  88. Woodguy says:

    Магия 10: If the deal was for Subban and predicated on Habs getting Dubois then the decision to wsit would be dictated by the Habs.

    This quote describes a decision the Oil made to wait rather than proceed. Which suggest a team other than Montreal.

    Good point

  89. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Mars needs women! We are all looking for something!

    Let it bleed

  90. Woodguy says:

    Evilas:
    Woodguy,

    Sorry, no I am not.

    It’s just that Russo (and Severson) were targets I identified in my research before your excellent work on RHD….I just felt I should jump in.. My apologies

    No apologies at all, I appreciate your point of view sir.

    Was just curious.

    I’m really weak on AHL players and always appreciate the input, thank you.

  91. Evilas says:

    Woodguy,

    Also thanks to your amazing work, I am obsessed with acquiring Redmond as I was on Talbot (again thanks to your amazing work)

    I am very much sold on Chad Johnson as the back-up this year (and his ties to Chia points in his direction as well)

    Do you have a preferred UFA back-up target?

  92. bobisafan says:

    Hate to say it, but, subban will not be in a Edmonton oilers uniform, now or ever. He negotiated his last contract with the owner, for a trade to happen the owner would have to sign off on it. Not the g.m., sorry people, just ain’t gonna happen.

  93. Wolfie says:

    Do not trade any of the forwards you have so dearly paid a price for for peanuts… The Oilers have sold at bargain basement prices for so long that they are just now accumulating the assets required to win.

    Lowe and company missed the mark on estimating how long it would take to rebuild. But this organization cannot afford to repeat the mistakes of previous management by selling players. It started with Gretzky…

    That trade set the bar as Max value for anyone… The best ever fetched a bunch of could bes and almosts and Magic Beans…. And a ton of cash….

    Then came the Lindros trade and that was huge because he was the Next One…. Bigger, Badder, Better than Gretzky….

    Quebec won the lottery just by getting the chance to select him. The Nordiques got a huge package from the Flyers…. Amazingly the offer from the Rangers was equally as good… Too bad the city of Quebec never reaped the benefit….

    I’m still bitter about that. Maybe that’s why I have a special hate on for Colorado. That franchise was acquired by American Greed. Which also stole Gretzky from Edmonton…

    We are at the beginning of the cycle again…

    The Jets are reborn and are going to be very dangerous… The Oilers have the new Gretzky…. This young core of players must be kept together. That includes Yakupov, until they learn to win…

    Once they do they will be next to impossible to beat.

    If Puljujarvi can help drive Offence on his own that would give the Oilers real and beautiful Unicorns.

    Let’s face it, aside from Coffey the old Oilers defence wasn’t really an offensive bunch. They were just ok defensively. There was no Langway, Robinson, Ludwig, Chelios, Bourque back there.

    I’m looking at some of the suggested trades and I shake my head?!?!

    Nuge for Coyle and Dumba?!?!? Really?!?

    Nugent-Hopkins was the best player in his draft year…. Bar none! Landeskog was good but not elite like Nuge…

    He was running away with the Calder until someone clipped him from the glassy knoll and busted his wing….

    Someone mentioned that Coyle has almost the same offence as Nuge…. The numbers might be close but I know Nuge has been hurt a lot early on. He hasn’t been 100% since early in his rookie year. If he’s healthy he is elite.

    It took Hall a little bit to get adjusted but LT calls him Chance for a reason. Whenever he has the puck on his stick something is going to happen…. More often than not it’s good and dangerous. Much more good than bad and he cashes a lot!

    You do not trade Hall and 4 for Subban and 9. Hall is elite on his own. Subban is very very good. They are both Olympic caliber. Given the fact that Hall’s contract is a bargain in comparison to Subban makes him even more valuable. In fact the only players I consider trading Hall for include the likes of Crosby, Ovechkin, Doughty…

    Hall is a fucking winner surrounded by mediocrity.

    Eberle has unreal finishing ability. If he was a little bit better skater and maybe a touch stronger he’s be as good or better than Hall. His hands are that good. Unless you’re getting Tarasenko or Giroux back you don’t trade elite skill.

    Draisaitl just had a phenomenal season… He was all-star good until he either got hurt or ran out of gas. And he’s German… German’s don’t do things imperfectly. They value high quality. They will pay more for perfection. Watch their soccer team. That is clinical. Draisaitl has those qualities. He will dissect you.

    Poor Yakupov represents everything the Oilers and their fans crave. Pure unadulterated offence… Like the young Oilers before they learned how to win. He has an unbelievable shot…. It can be harnessed and with the change in goalie equipment he won’t have to be as precise… I bet you his numbers take a big jump. You’ll never get value for him at this point but his potential is still so massive selling him now would be market foolishness.

    Oh and there’s that McDavid kid… He’s pretty good.

  94. Evilas says:

    LT, thanks again for your draft day coverage. It was my first time following the draft through to the end. Will you be digging in further this week regarding the mystery man picked in the 7th?

    I was thinking the same as you regarding Nick Ellis as the reason they grabbed him. I am concerned about footspeed, but the fact that he was wooed by 11 or 12 schools has got to mean there is a decent player there….

  95. Evilas says:

    Wolfie,

    I agree with most of your points, although the forwards of the 80’S were amongst the best of their generation
    This team doesn’t have that, the D has to be better than Fayne on the right side. If he is moved our and competent NHL puck movers are brought in, this team will be vastly improved.

  96. Ducey says:

    Woodguy:
    Evilas,

    Lovejoy – awesome playoffs, offer 2 yrs at $2.5

    I’m not so sure that Lovejoy is a big drop off from Demers.

    I might dig into him next if I have time.

    Looks like he is being zoomed by Brian Doumoulin. Pretty blah otherwise. Maybe look at a wider sample than just this year.

    Not sure he is an improvement on Gryba

  97. Younger Oil says:

    This isn’t a criticism of Spurgeon, because I honestly don’t know too much about him.

    What makes him so good?

    He is fairly small, and has a very similar offensive output to Sekera.

    Seems like a #3D to me. Still miles better than what we have, but is that really worth giving up Nuge?

  98. stush18 says:

    Woodguy: Do you prefer Russo to Sproul?

    Stauffer mentioned Oilers trying to pick up “a guy from the Eastern Conference who had a cup of coffee in the NHL”

    Sproul would qualify.

    I’ve wanted sproul since his first year in the AHL. Him and mrazek when mrazek was a backup. I think Detroit has had him in the slow cooker for long enough.

  99. thurmtim says:

    Thor762: Agreed.That is what they likely wanted.

    In the Drai, Nurse, 2017 1st deal that Paper suggested they could still sell it to their fans that they get their future soon to be #1C in Drai, a future top pairing D in Nurse, and another 1st round pick next year.
    I agree wholeheartedly! Still leavers Maroon to play 2nd LW and leaves young core alone.

    Or swap the 2017 pick for Pouliot.Then they still get a top 2 LW Frenchmen.

    I agree. Can use Maroon or sign Lucic for 2LW. If we can keep them intact, this FW group is going to scare people silly very soon.

  100. Woodguy says:

    Evilas:
    Woodguy,

    Also thanks to your amazing work, I am obsessed with acquiring Redmond as I was on Talbot (again thanks to your amazing work)

    I am very much sold on Chad Johnson as the back-up this year (and his ties to Chia points in his direction as well)

    Do you have a preferred UFA back-up target?

    I like Johnson too. Montoya has his moments.

    Reimer is the best of them I think.

  101. Woodguy says:

    Evilas:
    Woodguy,

    Also thanks to your amazing work, I am obsessed with acquiring Redmond as I was on Talbot (again thanks to your amazing work)

    I am very much sold on Chad Johnson as the back-up this year (and his ties to Chia points in his direction as well)

    Do you have a preferred UFA back-up target?

    Also, I appreciate the kind word but all I’m doing is arranging information, its not that amazing.

  102. Woodguy says:

    Ducey: Looks like he is being zoomed by Brian Doumoulin. Pretty blah otherwise. Maybe look at a wider sample than just this year.

    Not sure he is an improvement on Gryba

    Yeah, this year wasn’t good.

    He’s getting older (32 in Feb) and physical Dmen have that sharp cliff…..

    Previous 2 years he was a good partner for Fowler at the top of ANA’s roster and played well with almost everyone on PIT.

  103. Lowetide says:

    Evilas:
    LT, thanks again for your draft day coverage.It was my first time following the draft through to the end.Will you be digging in further this week regarding the mystery man picked in the 7th?

    I was thinking the same as you regarding Nick Ellis as the reason they grabbed him.I am concerned about footspeed,but the fact that he was wooed by 11 or 12 schools has got to mean there is a decent player there….

    Yes. Beginning tomorrow, I do about 20 posts (boring the hell out of people) that focus on each prospect, and different rankings. Tomorrow’s post will talk about trades, free agency but there will be a few draft items for sure. Stay tuned!

  104. Woodguy says:

    Younger Oil:
    This isn’t a criticism of Spurgeon, because I honestly don’t know too much about him.

    What makes him so good?

    He is fairly small, and has a very similar offensive output to Sekera.

    Seems like a #3D to me. Still miles better than what we have, but is that really worth giving up Nuge?

    He’s driven play for years.

    He gets his body in the way, gets the puck, knows where he’s going with it before he gets it and gets it there in a hurry.

    Big brain and a big heart.

    Everyone talks about his size, but he’s played the toughest division in the NHL for 6 years and done nothing but succeed and move up the roster.

    If his size was an issue it would have made it apparent by now.

  105. Younger Oil says:

    Woodguy: He’s driven play for years.

    He gets his body in the way, gets the puck, knows where he’s going with it before he gets it and gets it there in a hurry.

    Big brain and a big heart.

    Everyone talks about his size, but he’s played the toughest division in the NHL for 6 years and done nothing but succeed and move up the roster.

    If his size was an issue it would have made it apparent by now.

    That’s all I needed to hear, thanks! Just his boxcars weren’t as high as I thought they’d be given the way people were talking about him, but if he drives the play and is capable defensively it makes a lot more sense!

    What’s the most you would be willing to give up for him?

  106. Water Fire says:

    Woodguy:
    Evilas,

    Lovejoy – awesome playoffs, offer 2 yrs at $2.5

    I’m not so sure that Lovejoy is a big drop off from Demers.

    I might dig into him next if I have time.

    He’s close to drop off age wise. He’s like Fayne with more mobility and passing. He was a bit unpolished with the puck that I saw but can at least pass. Boudreau said he played him against top op in Anaheim because he could skate wit them. Him over Gryba for sure. Bet he stays put though.

  107. Chachi says:

    Woodguy: If you are referring to CBJ then I think they buy out Tyutin and Boll first before anything (if they can’t move one of their anchor contracts)

    Arizona is buying anchor contracts like they are going out of style. They probably have room for one more, especially if they don’t plan on being a cap team any time soon. I hear they have a genius GM though, just ask Ken Holland.

  108. Skeeziks says:

    Wolfie,

    Based on your comments, the Oilers core is absolutely tremendous. I just can’t understand how we missed out on the Cup. Please remember the Oilers finished 29th in a 30 team league. That alone would suggest there are some flaws in your assessment.

  109. VOR says:

    Woodguy, no just one. I do prefer Russo. But before I go on I owe Spoiler a story.

    This is my tribute to all the scouts that logged tens of thousands of miles this year. All their work culminated on Friday and Saturday. Now comes barbecue season and fishing at the lake. It was at a BBQ at a lake (yes fresh caught fish) that I first heard this story. It goes a long way to explaining why scouts put in all those miles for what isn’t much in the way of renumeration.

    I am not going to identify the scout this story is about. I think you will all be able to figure it out. But given what happened I think he’d prefer some anonymity.

    It was a dark and stormy night. No really, it was a dark and stormy night. The story begins in Nitre, which is in Slovakia. It is actually quite a pretty place. But late in the winter of 1990-1991 it was dark and stormy as another major snowstorm threatened.

    Our intrepid scout set out late in the day and drove right into the storm. He was a rookie and very junior scout. He did not get to hang out in fancy arenas and scout possible first rounders. His territory consisted of all the Czech and Slovak development leagues. With more experience he would have known just how dangerous the weather in the Nitre River Valley can be. Luckily the storm became undriveable just outside the small city of Topolcany. At that time there were about 28,000 people living in Topolcany, many of them working in tourism. The scout had no trouble finding lodging, a hefty meal, and some great local beer.

    If only the now drunk scout had gone up to his room and slept it off. But he didn’t. Nope he went for a walk. That walk took him to an unheated arena. In that arena, oblivious to the weather outside a group of boys, under the watchful eyes of a team of coaches, we’re working on skill drills. The kids were the scout estimated between 14 and 16 years old. The drill they were doing when the scout walked in was skating backward through pylons. One kid who looked like he was about 10 just wasn’t getting it and the coaches were losing patience.

    That was when one of the older kids stepped up and started showing his young teammate what the coach meant. The scout knew NHL level skating when he saw it and he claims as he watched the drill progress the hair on the back of his neck stood up. Because something magical happened or so the scout has always claimed. The little kid, who turned out to be fourteen, took to skating backwards like a fish takes to water. He and his mentor, so the story goes, were soon racing each other backward down the ice through ever more complicated patterns of pylons. Then they did it carrying the puck. Long story short, by the time the scout returned to his hotel room he was convinced he had seen not one but two future NHL stars that night. Unfortunately, he didn’t keep his excitement to himself. He drunk dialled his boss.

    The boss wasn’t amused. He pointed out the chances of finding one NHL player in Topolcany had to be millions to one. Two, together on the ice in Topolcany had to be in the billions to one. This incident led to the scout changing organizations.

    Mercifully the story didn’t follow him. Though it came roaring back to life during the 2000-2001 NHL season. That was when the 14 year old from Topolcany, the one who took so naturely to skating backwards, made the NHL All Rookie Team. As you might have guessed by this time the older boy was an established NHL star.

    Yes, as preposterous as it sounds the scout was right that dark and stormy night. He had seen two NHL stars of the future on the same ice, in the same unheated arena in a place most of us have never heard of. Their names were Miro Satan and Lubmir Visnovsky.

    The scout is fond of saying that is why you log all those miles, spend all those nights away from home and family. On the off chance that in a blizzard in Topolcany you see magic happen. He also points out that ironically it was that same ability to teach young players that led to Miro Satan’s name being on the Stanley Cup. Near the end of his career Pittsburgh had demoted him to the AHL and he could have pouted. Not in his nature. No Satan had a great attitude and worked tirelessly with Pittsburgh’s young players. Management was so impressed they brought him back for the playoffs and he helped them win the StanleyCup.

    The scout, who once lost his job for a boozy but incredibly accurate prediction found his reputation made by the same story. He has come to be rather famous for his ability to spot late round gold. His team doesn’t always listen but he has an very high success rate when they do. It bugs him to this day that no organization he worked for drafted either of the players from Topolcany.

    So for all those scouts out there, may you find yourself in a blizzard in Topolcany. And may your boss listen eagerly when you tell them the story of the magic you have just witnessed. Whether you are drunk or not.

  110. who says:

    The only option on your revised list that I can stomach is #6. Lesser free agents. Do not want to give Demers a long term, expensive contract. I would still do Hall for Hamonic plus plus and maybe sign Lucic. I’d rather give him 6 x 6 than Demers.
    I know the rumor right now is Minn but I would rather go after Trouba either via trade or offer sheet. I’d rather give him 6 x 6 than Demers as well. I see him as a second pairing guy right now but he has the tools and pedigree to be a 1st pairing guy. Demers isn’t going to get any better and right now I think they are about even.
    Really like Seth Jones as well but I just don’t see CBJ moving him after they spent Johansen to get him. Think they see him as their stud dman for the next 10 years.
    As for Subban, I agree the price may be dropping up to July 1 but I still think the cost will be too high for the return and salary. Stay away.

  111. "Steve Smith" says:

    VOR,

    I think “fantastic debt-honouring story” means exactly what you think it means; thank you for that.

  112. Psyche says:

    VOR,

    Terrific story. Thanks for sharing!

  113. Lowetide says:

    VOR,

    Fantastic.

  114. YKOil says:

    VOR – awesome story!

    In regards to other matters, stay patient Chiarelli.

    Columbus is in Cap hell so Savard is in play one way or another.

    Minnesota is in much better shape since they bought out Vanek but a Dumba + Coyle play works on many levels for this club. In my wilder moments of rye I have wondered what would have to be added to Dumba, Coyle and Niederreiter to get RNH and Eberle.

    Nurse, for a top-flight RHD, is a trade worth investigating if it is out there.

    Redmond remains a legit UFA target. Would be interested in the numbers on Lovejoy because a 2 yr deal, as mentioned above, would be gold if Lovejoy still has ‘most’ of ‘it’.

    Get the right deal.

  115. rickithebear says:

    WG:
    Look in to it.
    L.m.f.a.o.
    I will look into that 1 st comp top 30 hsca rhd that anchored a cup winning defence.

    I look forward to the WG apprval?
    L.O.L

    Lets revisit that cup formula.

    1. 3 pairs of top 5 forward depth
    2. 3+ top 60 hsca d, top 100 hsca depth.
    3. Top 8 hsca save % goalie.

    Hall – drai – xxx
    Maroon – mcdavid – JP
    Pouliot – RNH – Eberle

    Klefbom – Lovejoy
    Davidson – xxx
    Sekera – fayne

    Talbot

  116. Caramel Batman says:

    VOR,

    I talk about the incompetence of scouts all the time, but that is one great story.

  117. Caramel Batman says:

    If the Oilers trade with Minnesota they aren’t getting Dumba + Coyle for RNH. That’s ridiculous. RNH doesn’t have near that value. He’s worth one or the other, but there is no way he’s worth both.

    So Chiarelli has to try and hold out for Spurgeon, otherwise we are looking down an RNH for Dumba deal.

  118. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: He’s driven play for years.

    He gets his body in the way, gets the puck, knows where he’s going with it before he gets it and gets it there in a hurry.

    Big brain and a big heart.

    Everyone talks about his size, but he’s played the toughest division in the NHL for 6 years and done nothing but succeed and move up the roster.

    If his size was an issue it would have made it apparent by now.

    He hasdriven play?
    That is correct!
    # 10 forwards and top end off d. Are the key factors.

    Spurgeon is another ppg/60 d
    Who is top 60 hsca d.

  119. maxwell_mischief says:

    i predict that Yak will get traded to NYI, then will score 40 with Barzal setting him up on like 36 primary assists and like 54,000 CorsiRel and then this blog literally exploding.

  120. rickithebear says:

    Skeezik:
    You just admited to putting in zer time on gm lost.

    To lazy to have a fact based point of view!

    1. Ebs hurt, mcdavid hurt, RNH hurt, no drai for full season.
    2. Klefbom gone for 52, davidson gone for 34, sekera forced to play 1 st comp a bot 40 result thru career. 4 bot 20 hsca d eating major minutes.
    3. Top 8 HSCA save % goalie sharing start to season. Not in form til last 2/3 of season.

  121. JDï™ says:

    Woodguy: Oilers don’t have the Quebecios C to offer now though.

    That’s a massive part of that deal.

    They have a great French LWer, and a fine young French (;-)) goalie!

  122. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Man if you trade Nurse for Trouba, you can leave that F lineup as is. Trade picks/prospects for Klein out of NYR.

    Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov/Pulju
    Maroon-RNH-Eberle
    Hall-Draisaitl-Kassian/Pulju
    Hendricks-Letestu-Pak
    Korpi

    Klef-Trouba
    Sekera-Klein
    Davidson-Fayne
    Reinhart

  123. Wolfie says:

    Skeeziks,

    The supporting cast has been abysmal. Nothing short of putrid. These kids were asked to take on giants unprotected right from the time they came into the league.

    I’m not saying don’t trade anybody. If you do, you have to get full market value. The Oilers can not afford to let these investments yield any less. Otherwise you are stuck in perpetual rebuild…

    The kids that were the sacrificial lambs… Hall, Nuge, Eberle, are now the ones that can provide shelter for McDavid, Puljujarvi, Draisaitl and Yakupov. That is more valuable now than ever.

    If you start selling off the originals you leave the rest unprotected and doomed to the same fate…. Draft and develop takes time. It will bear fruit but more patience is required… You’re not maximizing your assets.

    Hell Draisaitl and the 4th is almost too much for Subban. The Oilers are just now gaining some depth at the forward positions. They might be able to withstand multiple injuries up front next year… Wouldn’t that be something!

  124. semi legendary rot lobster says:

    VOR,

    great story

    u are now honorary lobster

    great honour for great story

  125. JDï™ says:

    Well this Jon Gomm guy seems like he’s got a thing or two going on:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY7GnAq6Znw&feature=youtu.be

  126. Frank the dog says:

    Skeeziks:
    Wolfie,

    Based on your comments, the Oilers core is absolutely tremendous. I just can’t understand how we missed out on the Cup. Please remember the Oilers finished 29th in a 30 team league. That alone would suggest there are some flaws in your assessment.

    You only forgot two things: Refereeing and injuries. You may find an interrelationship between non-calls and injuries to your top players. Oh, and calls on non-events and goals actually scored, and games lost. But I was probably watching different games to the one you saw. I was sickened by the deep south, small town reffing I witnessed. It’s no coincidence to me that no Canadian team made the playoffs, but that’s only an opinion.

  127. westcoastjos says:

    Could of swore I read somewhere or heard perhaps, that Gryba got married this weekend and talks between him and the Oilers will resume soon.

  128. pocession charge says:

    JDï™,

    Wow. Incredible sound and technique.

  129. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    westcoastjos:
    Could of swore I read somewhere or heard perhaps, that Gryba got married this weekend and talks between him and the Oilers will resume soon.

    You are not wrong. Chia said that in a press scrum.

    This post title was very apt today, as a monsoon came at sunset with a rainbow to boot. Now I am driving north and east. All night to Santa Fe. Should arrive around sunrise.

    On the road again…and again…and again.

    Edit- “Steve Smith” may say you are wrong because it should be “could have sworn,” not “could of sworn.” 🙂

  130. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Fantastic story, Vor. Thanks for that.

  131. Chachi says:

    VOR,

    That is one hell of a story. It would make a great chapter in a book. Makes you wonder if there are any untapped potential hotbeds of hockey that have yet to be discovered.

  132. StevieG_8 says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYPr-_3CykY

    Interesting words by Laine talking about JP around 0:46.

    “He likes to smile a lot. Kind of all the time. And, he has a big mouth like everybody has seen. And he’s just a funny guy and it’s nice to be around him and it will never be boring with him.”

  133. JimmyV1965 says:

    Caramel Batman:
    If the Oilers trade with Minnesota they aren’t getting Dumba + Coyle for RNH.That’s ridiculous.RNH doesn’t have near that value.He’s worth one or the other, but there is no way he’s worth both.

    So Chiarelli has to try and hold out for Spurgeon, otherwise we are looking down an RNH for Dumba deal.

    Thank you. Some sanity here. Coyle and Neiderreitter may be the only two players on the team playing up to their contract. They are not getting moved. Period.

  134. Shau-co says:

    I am starting to think that some combination of Nurse, Draisatl, Pouliot makes the most sense to land a defenseman.

    Sign Lucic and Magic!

    I’m still hoping they can pry Subban out of Montreal but having more and more doubts. I would be very interested in Trouba or Dumba as a consolation though.

  135. Skeeziks says:

    Wolfie,

    Thanks for elaborating further. It clarified the point you were making.

    Largely agree with what you have said but personally disagree with your take on keeping Yakupov. Quite simply, it has been 4 years and I have not seen the skill he is supposed to have. The others, are in my mind blue chip.and should be kept if possible.

  136. Frank the dog says:

    I think Yakuppc himself fave us the key. He needs to play consistently with one center so he and the C get used to playing with each other. It’s a rote thing, as opposed to actual hockey sense.

  137. kinger_OIL says:

    Lowetide: Yes. Beginning tomorrow, I do about 20 posts (boring the hell out of people) that focus on each prospect, and different rankings. Tomorrow’s post will talk about trades, free agency but there will be a few draft items for sure. Stay tuned!

    But LT: when do you take time off? Everyone needs to recharge their batteries: 2 posts/day x 365

  138. Bruce McCurdy says:

    JDï™:
    Well this Jon Gomm guy seems like he’s got a thing or two going on:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY7GnAq6Znw&feature=youtu.be

    Holy moly, that is unreal

  139. Bruce McCurdy says:

    kinger_OIL: But LT: when do you take time off?Everyone needs to recharge their batteries: 2 posts/day x 365

    Don’t forget LT takes a holiday every game day. Just one post on those days — generally followed by a relaxing 2 hour radio show, maybe a guest host spot, a blog post for Oilers Nation, a slide show for Bleacher Report, rewire the house, paint the fence, prepare a gourmet dinner, watch & comment on the game, have a beer and then have another one… Easy peasy.

  140. jimmers2 says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Don’t forget his little sideline as psychiatrist to several thousand traumatized Oil fans, many of whom need a turn on his couch a couple of times a week (if not daily) to keep themselves more or less straight.

    https://misssquigglesdotcom1.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/image-6-by-charles-m-schulz.png

  141. Pouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Don’t forget LT takes a holiday every game day. Just one post on those days — generally followed by a relaxing 2 hour radio show, maybe a guest host spot, a blog post for Oilers Nation, a slide show for Bleacher Report, rewire the house, paint the fence, prepare a gourmet dinner, watch & comment on the game, have a beer and then have another one…Easy peasy.

    Lollygagger!

  142. OF17 says:

    For any soccer fans out there, in just under 2 hours, Spain and Italy play an elimination game in the Euro Championships. Should be a fantastic game, and there will definitely be streams of it out there.

    Glad to make your Mondays more productive!

  143. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: Do you prefer Russo to Sproul?

    Stauffer mentioned Oilers trying to pick up “a guy from the Eastern Conference who had a cup of coffee in the NHL”

    Sproul would qualify.

    So would Bellimore!

  144. rickithebear says:

    OF17:
    For any soccer fans out there, in just under 2 hours, Spain and Italy play an elimination game in the Euro Championships. Should be a fantastic game, and there will definitely be streams of it out there.

    Glad to make your Mondays more productive!

    Read this and got an image of Seal lions flopping along the beach as they head to the ocean!

  145. rickithebear says:

    Walter Sobchak:
    LT.

    I think your asset list is short two players.

    4. Draisiatl

    8. Nurse

    I heard Draisaitls name this past week as much as I heard RNH.

    I heard the TV people working for the leafs owners say……………..

  146. OF17 says:

    rickithebear: Read this and gotan image of Seal lions flopping along the beach as they head to the ocean!

    Haha yeah, Spain and Italy are known for their “theater,” as one Spanish language commentator put it. Thankfully they’re also known for their high skill level, team coordination, and fun style of play. This is like a Sharks-Penguins series compressed into one game. Might be the most exciting matchup of the whole tournament.

  147. Thor762 says:

    OF17,

    I’m more looking forward to Iceland vs England today. 🙂

  148. Jethro Tull says:

    OF17,

    Nope. It’ll be 1-0 to either Italy or Spain. Big teams tend to cancel each other out in soccer.

  149. Jethro Tull says:

    Thor762:
    OF17,

    I’m more looking forward to Iceland vs England today.

    Me too!

  150. OF17 says:

    Thor762,

    That one will be great as well. If Iceland wins that one, man, we might be able to hear their cheers from here.

    Jethro Tull,

    Not saying it’ll be high scoring, but it should be entertaining. When high skill counters high skill, that’s still a fun game.

  151. Diesel says:

    StevieG_8:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYPr-_3CykY

    Interesting words by Laine talking about JP around 0:46.

    “He likes to smile a lot. Kind of all the time. And, he has a big mouth like everybody has seen. And he’s just a funny guy and it’s nice to be around him and it will never be boring with him.”

    Jesse definitely knows a thing or two about grinning.

    I will not comment any further until next post.

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