OILERS SIGN PAKARINEN, QUALIFY MUSIL, SHUN OTHERS

The Edmonton Oilers did some business today in front of the qualifying deadline (3pm our time):

 

  • Iiro Pakarinen, one-year, one-way deal at $725,000.
  • David Musil, qualified.
  • Adam Clendening, not qualified.
  • Luke Gazdic, not qualified.
  • Kale Kessy, not qualified.
  • Niklas Lundstrom, not qualified.

A lot will be made about Kessy (and the cost of acquiring him), but that ship sailed many moons ago. Gazdic may return on a two-way deal (that is my guess) and Clendening represents a righty out the door.

PAKARINEN

The young Finn (he will be 25 in August) has now reached 80 NHL games and is probably going to see many more as an Oilers winger. He was drafted by the Florida Panthers in the seventh round of 2011—70 picks after Edmonton chose Tobias Rieder (whose rights were dealt for Kale Kessy). I think management likes him enough that we can probably assume he will be 13 or 14F this fall.

MUSIL

At the AHL level, he is a fine shutdown defender. He may be able to find an NHL career because of his size, positioning and overall defensive acumen. His problem in the Oilers organization is his lefthandedness—well, not his, but that of others. All of the others.

oilers blue june 27

This is a problem—or should be, although Edmonton does have several LHD who can play right side. With the evidence we have available, it is reasonable for us to point at this illustration and wonder if Oilers management plans to address this issue.

OILERS 50-MAN LIST (42)

  1. G Cam Talbot. No. 1 goalie, sounds like someone may be brought in as backup.
  2. G Laurent Brossoit. Should get some competition for backup role.
  3. G Nick Ellis: Should push for AHL playing time.
  4. G Eetu Laurikainen, could be on the Glendale train to Norfolk at times.
  5. D Oscar Klefbom. Top 4D role, as long as he is healthy.
  6. D Andrej Sekera, Top 4D, important part of the team.
  7. D Brandon Davidson, Top 4D, right side or left?
  8. D Mark Fayne, very likely to occupy one of the RH roles.
  9. D Darnell Nurse, bet third pair with Davidson for 2016-17.
  10. D Jordan Oesterle, he is going to push for NHL time. A good young blue.
  11. D Griffin Reinhart, the drafting of JP further complicates his cap issues.
  12. D David Musil, back for another year and looking for an NHL look. Qualified.
  13. D Andrew Ference, LTIR looks very likely.
  14. D Dillon Simpson, likely to play a prominent role in Bakersfield.
  15. D Joey Laleggia, Condors PP QB as early as this fall (depending on Oesterle)
  16. D Ben Betker, should see more time in the AHL this year.
  17. D Caleb Jones, WHL D. Newly signed, definite slide rule candidate.
  18. C Connor McDavid, he will be in his house this fall.
  19. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, rumors abound. Abound!
  20. C Leon Draisaitl, emerging NHL talent.
  21. C Mark Letestu, checking NHL C.
  22. C Anton Lander, may catch on as utility forward in 2016-17.
  23. C Jujhar Khaira, looking for full time NHL employment.
  24. C Bogdan Yakimov, losing ground to Khaira, race may already be over.
  25. C Kyle Platzer, a strong AHL season is the hope.
  26. L Taylor Hall, he pushes the river and owns possession. Nuff said.
  27. L Benoit Pouliot, underrated winger may be vulnerable to trade.
  28. L Patrick Maroon, an outstanding value contract.
  29. L Lauri Korpikoski, still here and may play this season in Edmonton.
  30. L Matt Hendricks, lots of depth on the wing, will need to fight for time.
  31. L Drake Caggiula. High profile signing, likely to see some NHL time.
  32. L Jere Sallinen, Intriguing winger, seems like an energy type.
  33. L Mitch Moroz, some urgency for a step forward in the coming season.
  34. L Braden Christoffer, uncertain where he will play (AHL/ECHL).
  35. R Jordan Eberle, I think he could score 35 with McDavid.
  36. R Nail Yakupov, sail on post is idling in the driveway.
  37. R Zack Kassian, will play bottom 6F, Chiarelli-style rugged.
  38. R Iiro Pakarinen, reasonable to assume he makes the roster. Signed.
  39. R Tyler Pitlick, pleased he re-signed with the Oilers, one more chance.
  40. R Anton Slepyshev, needs to step up the offense, remains a solid prospect.
  41. R Patrick Russell, PF from college, will be fun to track this year.
  42. R Greg Chase, should see plenty of AHL time.

WAITING

  1. R Jesse Puljujarvi, this should happen in the coming days. 2016 draft
  2. D Ethan Bear. Also Bob, looks imminent. 2015 draft
  3. R Adam Cracknell, I could see him signing back mid-July. UFA.
  4. D Adam Pardy. At least worth a conversation. UFA.
  5. D Eric Gryba, without a Fayne trade, return seems unlikely. UFA.
  6. D Nikita Nikitin, rumored to be signing with Omsk. UFA
  7. D Brad Hunt, he is such a good AHL player. UFA.
  8. L Josh Winquist, interesting to see where he lands. UFA.
  9. C Marco Roy. AHL contract seems likely. UFA.
  10. R Andrew Miller. The loan trade likely signaled his exit. UFA.

NHL RFAs NOT QUALIFIED TODAY

It is a bit of a moving target finding the players who have come available but there are some attractive names. Sometimes teams do not qualify and then sign the player for less (avoiding arbitration), so keep in mind this news does not mean they are necessarily immediately available.

  • L Quinton Howden, Florida. Two-way winger with size and some skill.
  • L Brandon Pirri, Anaheim. A nice offensive winger, shooter, Ducks likely wheel back.
  • R Brett Connolly, Boston. This is a pretty nice player for just money. Size, skill.
  • L Joe Colborne, Calgary. I bet they sign him this week. A nice forward, scored 19 this year and the Flames likely want him without paying him. Window of opportunity?
  • R Josh Jooris, Calgary. He had a poor year after a good one, there is a player here. I think, anyway.
  • G Joni Ortio, Calgary. Had a .902 SP on the CGY carousel this season, somewhat surprised to see his name here.
  • D Patrick Wiercioch, Ottawa. I have seen him good many times, wonder if the Oilers want to take a chance on yet another lefty.
  • R Beau Bennett, New Jersey. Injuries galore but a former first rounder.
  • RD Jon Merril, New Jersey. LHD, but an interesting player for someone.
  • R Michael Latta, Washington. Energy winger with attitude.
  • R Devante Smith-Pelly, New Jersey. Rugged winger.

As mentioned, many of these guys will sign more reasonable deals with their teams. Still, they are out there. I will update, seems we have some stragglers. No McNeill, no Murphy.

 

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  1. Магия 10 says:

    Obviously you need to trade out the most valuable Austin to permanently fix the D.
    Obviously 1 for 3 trades is just a faster way to screw up.
    Last chance to show you that really hard choices don’t faze you.

    Rank your preferences. Closes 8:30 am Tuesday.
    Then light a candle that there will be better options this week.

    Assume none of the Austins has asked to leave.
    Assume that nothing better is available in July (no touching the leftorium )
    Assume that sweeteners (1 for 3!) are available if needed.

    1. Hall for Hamonic, sign Lucic
    2. Nuge for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)
    3. Drai for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)
    4. Ebs for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)
    5. Sign Demers to a long expensive contract
    6. Sign a less valuable UFA (e.g. Boyle or Redmond)

    Answers on one line. Exclude options you will NEVER do.
    Me: 5, 6, 4. STOP.

  2. Protagonist says:

    Магия 10:
    Obviously you need to trade out the most valuable Austin to permanently fix the D.
    Obviously 1 for 3 trades is just a faster way to screw up.
    Last chance to show you that really hard choices don’t faze you.

    Rank your preferences. Closes 8:30 am Tuesday.
    Then light a candle that there will be better options this week.

    Assume none of the Austins has asked to leave.
    Assume that nothing better is available in July (no touching the leftorium )
    Assume that sweeteners (1 for 3!) are available if needed.

    1. Hall for Hamonic, sign Lucic
    2. Nuge for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)
    3. Drai for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)
    4. Ebs for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)
    5. Sign Demers to a long expensive contract
    6. Sign a less valuable UFA (e.g. Boyle or Redmond)

    Answers on one line. Exclude options you will NEVER do.
    Me: 5, 6, 4. STOP.

    1, 4, 5, 6 Stop.

  3. Магия 10 says:

    “it is reasonable for us to point at this illustration and wonder if Oilers management plans to address this issue”.

    LT,

    So, Flanders, have you sold anything?

    Not yet, but one of the mall security guards took a long look at a left-handed ice cream scoop.

  4. Alpine says:

    Магия 10,

    4, 5, 3, 2. STOP

  5. stush18 says:

    Магия 10,

    4,6,5 stop

  6. StixMalone says:

    Protagonist,

    4.6.5 stop

  7. Pajamah says:

    Ironic on the day Forsberg gets a Steve Austin contract in NAS, the door officially closes on the terrible deal McPhee made for Erat and Latta. Latta was never the centrepiece, but wow did that backfire for the Caps.

    And I know why people are trepidacious towards a Hall trade. Certainly can’t move Hall for Hartnell and Jenner and think it’s anything but a monumental loss of a trade. Has to be a sure fire #1D

  8. Lowetide says:

    Pajamah:
    Ironic on the day Forsberg gets a Steve Austin contract in NAS, the door officially closes on the terrible deal McPhee made for Erat and Latta. Latta was never the centrepiece, but wow did that backfire for the Caps.

    And I know why people are trepidacious towards a Hall trade. Certainly can’t move Hall for Hartnell and Jenner and think it’s anything but a monumental loss of a trade. Has to be a sure fire #1D

    It never works. I have never forgotten the feeling of the Gary Carter trade, its like being sentenced to five years of mediocrity.

  9. LOObird says:

    Магия 10,

    4,6,3, Stop.

  10. stush18 says:

    Man it seems like a bunch of useful RFA’s availible. Assuming none of them resign with their teams, they will, I would like to take a run at:
    Brandon pirri
    Brett connoly RH
    DSP RH
    Leon drai… I mean joe colbourne
    Beau Bennett RH
    Michael latta RH

    The biggest one I’ve seen so far is Michael paliotta. Someone (sorry I forget the poster) has been quite bullish on him. He looks great and the little I’ve watched he seems solid. He’s also a RH shot dman, and has put up good offense. Good be a solution for our third pairing.

  11. Tapdog says:

    Магия 10,

    6,4,5 stop

  12. Ducey says:

    I have always liked Colborne. Would make a nice 3C here.

    Strange CGY didn’t keep him. Its not like they are swimming in centers.

    I guess they need the room for Stamkos.

  13. Lowetide says:

    Ducey:
    I have always liked Colborne.Would make a nice 3C here.

    Strange CGY didn’t keep him. Its not like they are swimming in centers.

    I guess they need the room for Stamkos.

    Ha. I think they are betting on getting him signed at a better number, but he is a nice player, agreed.

  14. Richard S.S. says:

    Lowetide
    Somewhere in the previous posts, there is a report of Chiarelli working on a Deal for a young RHD not previously ever mentioned.

    Does the Musil Arbitration give the Oilers another possible buyout window?

    D Patrick Wiercoich: is he 1st Pairing, 2nd Pairing or Bottom three? Who is he better than?

    Good work again Lowetide.

  15. Halfwise says:

    Lowetide: its like being sentenced to five years of mediocrity.

    I know what you mean, but still, who here wouldn’t have settled (in hindsight) for a five year cap on Oiler mediocrity?

  16. Lowetide says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Lowetide
    Somewhere in the previous posts, there is a report of Chiarelli working on a Deal for a young RHD not previously ever mentioned.

    Does the Musil Arbitration give the Oilers another possible buyout window?

    D Patrick Wiercoich: is he 1st Pairing, 2nd Pairing or Bottom three?Who is he better than?

    Good work again Lowetide.

    Musil arbitration?

  17. Pajamah says:

    Lowetide: Ha. I think they are betting on getting him signed at a better number, but he is a nice player, agreed.

    Yeah, I think a lot of people assume that unqualified means the team has given up on the player. It just means the team doesn’t like their qualifying offer dollar amount. Pittsburgh didn’t qualify Schultz, because it’s $4M~. They may still want him at $2M. That’s why they don’t qualify.

  18. BlacqueJacque says:

    There very well may be a (legitimate) outcry that Puljujarvi got Pakarinen paid. They share the same agent, they share the same team, and while I do like Pakarinen and he came cheap, there may have been better options for the fourth line.

    However, given the fact that Puljujarvi has really bad English for a Finn and started working on it only during this past season, and when you consider the kid is going to be only 18 years old when he comes over either to Bakersfield or Edmonton to start the season, this is a more than fair deal. Homesickness is real. The feeling of being alone and out of place as an immigrant in the local culture is real. Finns, though they may seem like Canadians – living in a frozen wasteland – are not Canadians. They’re more blunt, more honest, they’re more isolated. Even if – IF – this is a signing to help Puljujarvi out (or if it’s a signing to make Puljujarvi’s agent happy) – it’s a good thing.

    Yak had nobody to talk to. Khabibulin was a Russian, but he was a Christian Orthodox Russian who liked his drink. Yak’s a Tatar, a Muslim, and doesn’t drink.

    From a strictly human standpoint, and given how little impact on the game 4th liners have, I’m happy to see Iiro on the team

  19. Westchester Oil says:

    Pajamah:
    Ironic on the day Forsberg gets a Steve Austin contract in NAS, the door officially closes on the terrible deal McPhee made for Erat and Latta. Latta was never the centrepiece, but wow did that backfire for the Caps.

    And I know why people are trepidacious towards a Hall trade. Certainly can’t move Hall for Hartnell and Jenner and think it’s anything but a monumental loss of a trade. Has to be a sure fire #1D

    Trading Hall without getting full-value is definitely in my top things I worry about Chia doing this summer. Signing Lucic to anything more than $5 million x 5 years is also up there.

    Now that I hear reports of the Oilers resigning Gryba, I’m gettiing a tad worried about that as well. Anything more than $1.5 million will be a mistake, given all the 5-6-7 dmen we already have.

  20. RexLibris says:

    Ducey:
    I have always liked Colborne.Would make a nice 3C here.

    Strange CGY didn’t keep him. Its not like they are swimming in centers.

    I guess they need the room for Stamkos.

    Colborne isn’t much of a C. Hartley played him a lot on the wing and Flames fans were ready to run him out of the city last year while he was having his “career year”.

    He was cashing in off the terrific work of Backlund. If Chiarelli wants a Colborne I’d tell him to look at Pirri or Connolly before Colborne.

  21. Water Fire says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    There very well may be a (legitimate) outcry that Puljujarvi got Pakarinen paid.They share the same agent, they share the same team, and while I do like Pakarinen and he came cheap, there may have been better options for the fourth line.

    However, given the fact that Puljujarvi has really bad English for a Finn and started working on it only during this past season, and when you consider the kid is going to be only 18 years old when he comes over either to Bakersfield or Edmonton to start the season, this is a more than fair deal.Homesickness is real.The feeling of being alone and out of place as an immigrant in the local culture is real.Finns, though they may seem like Canadians – living in a frozen wasteland – are not Canadians.They’re more blunt, more honest, they’re more isolated.Even if – IF – this is a signing to help Puljujarvi out (or if it’s a signing to make Puljujarvi’s agent happy) – it’s a good thing.

    Yak had nobody to talk to.Khabibulin was a Russian, but he was a Christian Orthodox Russian who liked his drink.Yak’s a Tatar, a Muslim, and doesn’t drink.

    From a strictly human standpoint, and given how little impact on the game 4th liners have, I’m happy to see Iiro on the team

    Nice post. There is a politically correct notion out in the hockey ether that everyone is the same and nationality is no big thing, and it does not line up with being a human.

    Finns are the closest to us in how they play hockey but still so unique. How United Statesians play hockey is further away in mindset..

  22. oilswell says:

    Магия 10,

    4, 6, 5, 2, STOP

  23. Frank the dog says:

    There’s an intense poster I haven’t see for a while that would be somewhat pleased if we landed OEL. Perhaps even at the cost of Hall. IIRC OEL was THE answer to this team’s troubles.
    As much as we love the Austins, they all have to wear 1st line on worst team status. Add to that the prospect of one, perhaps the best one, asking out, and Chia has a tough job ahead of him.
    Question: Why would Hall ask out, just when the team finally is putting a competitive roster together?

  24. JDï™ says:

    RexLibris: If Chiarelli wants a Colborne

    What do you mean – he’s already got Drai…

  25. Richard S.S. says:

    Lowetide,

    So if a Qualifying Offer doesn’t automatically offer arbitration, that’s wasteful I’m more baseball rule oriented myself. A Qualifying Offer: should be able to accept or refuse said offer. If refused, Arbitration is automatically offered. This offer can be accepted or refused. If refused, player must be traded or released as a free agent. Anything else is like slavery.

  26. Water Fire says:

    The house is pretty full of forwards ATM, unless they trade some for D.

    There is a group coming that can fill the botrom 6 soon such as Slepy and Khaira. I don’t expect to see many acquisitions at forward.
    Edit Other than the beast from the tarpits. But that jettisons an Austin but maybe next year.

  27. RexLibris says:

    BlacqueJacque,

    Glad to see you back. It has been awhile. I hope this season is easier on you (and all of us) than the last one.

  28. RexLibris says:

    JDï™: What do you mean – he’s already got Drai…

    You see….ee’s already got one! Yes, yes, it’s very nice!

    Silly English Kaaaa-nights!

  29. oilswell says:

    Pajamah: Yeah, I think a lot of people assume that unqualified means the team has given up on the player. It just means the team doesn’t like their qualifying offer dollar amount. Pittsburgh didn’t qualify Schultz, because it’s $4M~. They may still want him at $2M. That’s why they don’t qualify.

    Well I think of it it like the team giving up control of the player. If the player is in any kind of demand offers from elsewhere could drive the price back up, but in this environment how likely is it?

  30. Lowetide says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Lowetide,

    So if a Qualifying Offer doesn’t automatically offer arbitration, that’s wastefulI’m more baseball rule oriented myself.A Qualifying Offer: should be able to accept or refuse said offer.If refused, Arbitration is automatically offered.This offer can be accepted or refused.If refused, player must be traded or released as a free agent.Anything else is like slavery.

    Todays qualifying means Musil is not a free agent and he has a small bump in salary. Edmonton could choose to offer him a one-way ala Pakarinen, but of course they cannot because Leftorium. I do agree that Musil would be better off as a free agent, but hopefully they work a trade.

  31. Richard S.S. says:

    If young was the description being used to describe the RHD Chiarelli’s after, isn’t 26 and up considered a bit too old?

  32. Diesel says:

    Lowetide,

    Stauffer also hinted at a possible move in the works involving Musil (ICYMI).

  33. Магия 10 says:

    Westchester Oil: Trading Hall without getting full-value is definitely in my top things I worry about Chia doing this summer. Signing Lucic to anything more than $5 million x 5 years is also up there.

    Stauffer said today that the Ducks are the leaders in the Lucic sweeps.

  34. Lowetide says:

    Diesel:
    Lowetide,

    Stauffer also hinted at a possible move in the works involving Musil (ICYMI).

    Interesting (I was working noon to one today, didnt get a chance to tune in). It makes sense for sure.

  35. Gerta Rauss says:

    Магия 10,

    4,5 STOP

    I’ve been on the Ebs for Spurgeon train for weeks now, I’m riding that into the sunset

  36. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    We should be all over guys like Howden and Smith-Pelley.

  37. Frank the dog says:

    Hall+Musil for OEL????

  38. JimmyV1965 says:

    Can someone explain the rules for these RFAs who have not been signed. Can we just go in and make a pitch. I’m sure we can’t, but I don’t know.

  39. square_wheels says:

    Hey LT, thanks for getting Powderfinger stuck in my head ! (Ya I know it’s a thread too late)

    I can’t think of too many people that if I met in person I might trip over myself with a stammering million questions. He may hate the way I make my living but he’s put his art out there for me to enjoy so I will not openly admit I’m an Oilsands “guy”.

    For those uninitiated to the brilliance that is Neil Young, just listen to Rust Never Sleeps……that guitar is something.

    Btw thanks for the weekend, I had to listen to CHED as I was way out in the foothills setting up the trail cams and tree stands for fall……but the mountains heard me screaming after I heard “from the Cape Breton Scre” – RUN CHIA! FUCKING RUN UP THERE !!!!

    https://youtu.be/9nTthuudYDY

  40. Bulging Twine says:

    Michael Stone?
    Connor Murphy?

    Stauff’s mystery player?

  41. Mr DeBakey says:

    JimmyV1965: Can someone explain the rules for these RFAs who have not been signed.

    If they’re not qualified, they’re free as the wind blows, as free as the grass grows.
    Sign ’em up.
    The OIlers are already at 42 spots, so room for maybe 4 more.
    Minus a spot for the 4th Overall pick last Friday.
    Good thing they got the intriguing Jere Sallinen under contract early.

  42. Diesel says:

    Frank the dog:
    Hall+Musil for OEL????

    (O)scar + (E)berle + (L)ander for their OEL

  43. Ducey says:

    Mr DeBakey: If they’re not qualified, they’re free as the wind blows, as free as the grass grows.
    Sign ’em up.
    The OIlers are already at 42 spots, so room for maybe 4 more.
    Minus a spot for the 4th Overall pick last Friday.
    Good thing they got the intriguing Jere Sallinen under contract early.

    They have lots of room. 41 contracts because Jones will slide. All they need is a backup goalie and 2 or 3 dmen. If they bring in anyone else it likely means someone is leaving. Sallinen isn’t preventing them from signing anyone.we

  44. Gret99zky says:

    Frank the dog:

    Question: Why would Hall ask out, just when the team finally is putting a competitive roster together?

    Maybe because he sees what is really happening on the team & behind the closed doors and doesn’t buy into the yearly hope/hype that all the fans gobble up. Summer. We always win the summer. And then October/November says hello.

    JMO.

    Edit: IMHO, I don’t think Hall has asked for a trade. McDavid changed his mind.

  45. stush18 says:

    So would you rather have pouliot or shares contracts right now?

  46. Ducey says:

    Apparently the Avs are not going to resign Zach Redmond. Didn’t someone say he would be an option here?

  47. Lowetide says:

    square_wheels:
    Hey LT, thanks for getting Powderfinger stuck in my head ! (Ya I know it’s a thread too late)

    I can’t think of too many people that if I met in person I might trip over myself with a stammering million questions. He may hate the way I make my living but he’s put his art out there for me to enjoy so I will not openly admit I’m an Oilsands “guy”.

    For those uninitiated to the brilliance that is Neil Young, just listen to Rust Never Sleeps……that guitar is something.

    Btw thanks for the weekend, I had to listen to CHED as I was way out in the foothills setting up the trail cams and tree stands for fall……but the mountains heard me screaming after I heard “from the Cape Breton Scre” – RUN CHIA! FUCKING RUN UP THERE !!!!

    https://youtu.be/9nTthuudYDY

    I never listen to actors or musicians and their politics. They are not smart in this area.

  48. striatic says:

    Магия 10: 1. Hall for Hamonic, sign Lucic
    2. Nuge for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)
    3. Drai for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)
    4. Ebs for Spurgeon (or Dumba if you prefer)
    5. Sign Demers to a long expensive contract
    6. Sign a less valuable UFA (e.g. Boyle or Redmond)
    Answers on one line. Exclude options you will NEVER do.
    Me: 5, 6, 4. STOP.

    4,5,6 stop.

    Centres are too important. Without all 3 of Drai, Nuge and Connor, the team is completely sunk if one get injured. Depth is critical there, and trading a Centre is gambling.

    Hall is too good, Lucic too unreliable and a touch too old for that trade to work with the McDavid core.

    Eberle is the most expendable and if you are going to hang the defence on a single acquisition, you want Spurgeon, who is both younger and better than Demers.

  49. bigbadbruin24 says:

    Brett Connolly made me curse at the television at least three out of every five Bruins games this past season but…he truly was snake-bitten on multiple occasions.

    If he can reduce the curse factor down to one out of every five he may be a useful pickup.

    Right handed and relatively cheap to acquire…he may be a consideration for the Oil.

    Worth a look-see anyway…especially if Yak City is really on his way out of town.

  50. Shau-co says:

    Магия 10,

    1 (packaged for a Dman better than Hamonic), 6, STOP.

  51. Pouzar says:

    Jezuzz

    Darren DregerVerified account
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    Andrew Shaw signs 6 yr extension with Montreal. $3.9 AAV

  52. Pouzar says:

    Helm going to FA.

  53. unca miltie says:

    I was looking at the golf scores for the club pros trying to qualify for the PGA. Familiar name. Troy Helseth. Hope he does well.

  54. godot10 says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Lowetide,

    So if a Qualifying Offer doesn’t automatically offer arbitration, that’s wastefulI’m more baseball rule oriented myself.A Qualifying Offer: should be able to accept or refuse said offer.If refused, Arbitration is automatically offered.This offer can be accepted or refused.If refused, player must be traded or released as a free agent.Anything else is like slavery.

    Musil is coming off of his ELC, so he is NOT eligible for arbitration. He can accept his QO, or negotiate with the Oilers., who retain his rights till he is 27 if he doesn’t sign.

  55. Dominoiler says:

    Магия 10,

    Can Demers pass better than Fayne?.. cus if he can’t then #5 is death

    #5, 6.. then cheating,1.5 (poo+ out, lucic in, vattanen?!)

    Edit, Nevermind, I really dont like the idea of signing lucic

  56. BlacqueJacque says:

    godot10: Musil is coming off of his ELC, so he is NOT eligible for arbitration. He can accept his QO, or negotiate with the Oilers., who retain his rights till he is 27 if he doesn’t sign.

    That’s a horrible option. The idea of having Musil until he’s 27. Can’t we waive him? Or not qualify him?

  57. JimmyV1965 says:

    Ducey: They have lots of room. 41 contracts because Jones will slide. All they need is a backup goalie and 2 or 3 dmen. If they bring in anyone else it likely means someone is leaving. Sallinen isn’t preventing them from signing anyone.we

    So we can just go in there and offer these guys a contract? No harm no foul. There’s some really really intriguing names on that list. We should be all over this. Could there be bidding wars for some of these guys?

  58. JimmyV1965 says:

    Lowetide: I never listen to actors or musicians and their politics. They are not smart in this area.

    I loved Neil Young growing up, but I haven’t listened to him since he trashed the oilsands. I know it sounds juvenile but I felt betrayed. And that he turned his back on his roots. And I don’t work on the oil industry at all.

  59. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Pouzar:
    Helm going to FA.

    I would definitely be interested, sign him instead of getting Lucic and trading Hall

  60. Water Fire says:

    The issue with all D who can’t pass is speed. Mobile players can open themselves a passing lane, slower players can’t and have to rely on base plays like around the boards and off the glass if they get cut off.

    It is a burden to pair a limited player with a good one. On the good one. Some players are better than others. You always take the limited playing Lovejoy over the limited skating limited playing Grybfaynepardy, because the forwards will still get the puck.

  61. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    But their inspiration is usually from this space. Oh well. Bask in the glory that is Neil Young with/without Crazy Horse.

    FWIW I prefer Pocahontas off this album.

  62. MrEd says:

    Amongst our Leftorium, who is the most valuable in a trade? I’m thinking it’s Nurce.
    Winnipeg has 3 great RHD and a Left side that could use a boost IMO.

    Myers?

  63. marty62 says:

    JimmyV1965: I loved Neil Young growing up, but I haven’t listened to him since he trashed the oilsands.I know it sounds juvenile but I felt betrayed. And that he turned his back on his roots. And I don’t work on the oil industry at all.

    “I hope Neil Young will remember, southern man doesn’t need him around anyhow…..”

  64. stevezie says:

    JimmyV1965,

    I don’t follow. How are the sands his roots? And even if you don’t agree with his take, isn’t he obligated to follow his convictions?

  65. MrEd says:

    Sek-Myers
    Klef-Fayne
    Davidson/Rhino- Gryba.

  66. marty62 says:

    Still see a lot of nervous tension out there about who Chia is trading for a D.. I have faith in Chia, I like his patience. He will get the D he wants in trade or find another way, maybe more a patchwork solution like LT has proposed several times. I am thinking that Chia wants to keep as many of these forwards together as possible, just like LT has been telling him via this blog…..

  67. square_wheels says:

    stevezie,

    Yes. I let artists vent on any and all areas of discontent, as being angry about everything is the primary source of creativity for most of them.

  68. square_wheels says:

    Water Fire,

    Which is why Oesterle is a great bet for starting as the 7/8 and working his way up due to inevitable injuries.

    However, Chia/Tmac deployed more gritastical players than necessary, and have a history of adding them when all signs point to their games being zoomed by others or short sample sizes.

    Any talk of Gryba being resigned…….poor Dellow, he must be being paid to shut his lips.

  69. semi legendary rot lobster says:

    stevezie,

    neil young lives in cali now which produces oil dirtier than the sands
    neil young flew to his oilsands concert ina private jet
    neil young left two tourbuses running all night during his concert so he wouldn’t get cold aftr
    neil young spells convictions h y p o c r i s y

  70. Blackwolf says:

    Магия 10,

    6,4. Stop

  71. square_wheels says:

    Ducey,

    A certain purveyor of wood and wood products likes him.

    Becauseoilers.blogspot.ca

  72. AsiaOil says:

    I would certainly swap Eberle for a top 4 dman
    I might swap RNH for a top pair dman
    I would only swap Hall as part of a package for a #1 dman

    So for me we have the following preferred trade chips: Ebs, Yak, Reinhart, 2017 #1 pick. Do Yak and GR get you Severson? Don’t know. Does Eberle and 2017 #1 get you Hamonic? Don’t know. All we know is that Chia played Cool Hand Luke at the draft and walked out of the room with a grin one mile wide while the guy trying to take his lunch money looked like his dog died.

    It will be an interesting week.

  73. semi legendary rot lobster says:

    Lowetide: I never listen to actors or musicians and their politics. They are not smart in this area.

    also wise to ignore lobsters on those topics

    also all other topics

  74. theWaxCollector says:

    I’m surprised no one is mentioning an offer sheet scenario. Is it still possible to offersheet Jones, Barrie, or Trouba (in that order) to a contract requiring a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd as compensation? I like the idea because we keep all the roster players for now, while screwing Boston in the process for next years 2nd

  75. stevezie says:

    semi legendary rot lobster,

    None of this adds up to turning his back on his roots.

    And saying that living in California makes you responsible for the “dirtiness” of its oil is silly.

    Were his jets carrying his busses? Your statement must be an oversimplification.

    His response to the bus thing was it didn’t count as he was burning bio-diesel, which is as silly as your Cali point.

  76. stevezie says:

    square_wheels,

    Word.

    theWaxCollector:
    I’m surprised no one is mentioning an offer sheet scenario. Is it still possible to offersheet Jones, Barrie, or Trouba (in that order) to a contract requiring a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd as compensation? I like the idea because we keep all the roster players for now, while screwing Boston in the process for next years 2nd

    Word again. If we can get a D-man for just picks it makes a whole lotta sense. Offer sheet may not be Plan A, but it ought to be on the table.

  77. BlacqueJacque says:

    Protagonist: 1, 4, 5, 6 Stop.

    You’re too polite. But I’m of the opinion that terrible ideas deserve to be identified as terrible.

  78. semi legendary rot lobster says:

    stevezie,

    wise to ignore lobsters but

    obssses obsesi obsee focusing on convictions word seems pedantic

    he has no problem coming to ab to trash sands not a peep about labrea

    not hypocrisy in ur books?

    he flew the jets the tour buses drove

    yuge co2 footpring

    i don’t know what footprint is cause i have no feet but whatever

    not hypocrisy in ur books?

  79. theWaxCollector says:

    stevezie:
    square_wheels,

    Word.

    Word again. If we can get a D-man for just picks it makes a whole lotta sense. Offer sheet may not be Plan A, but it ought to be on the table.

    I guess Demers would be the Oilers plan A

  80. Ice Sage says:

    Looking at that Oiler LHD / RHD chart, perhaps we can cut the org a little slack for being ‘overly patient’ with (Stanley-Cup-winning) Jultz?
    But handedness wasn’t a thing then… le sigh

  81. Halfwise says:

    stevezie:
    semi legendary rot lobster,

    None of this adds up to turning his back on his roots.

    And saying that living in California makes you responsible for the “dirtiness” of its oil is silly.

    Were his jets carrying his busses? Your statement must be an oversimplification.

    His response to the bus thing was it didn’t count as he was burning bio-diesel, which is as silly as your Cali point.

    There are lots of places far away from here to take this debate. It could be a great discussion, who knows?

    I’m inclined to follow LT’s hint, which wasn’t really that subtle.

  82. rickithebear says:

    Marner. 10
    4
    Stop

  83. stush18 says:

    semi legendary rot lobster:
    stevezie,

    wise to ignore lobsters but

    obssses obsesi obsee focusing on convictions word seems pedantic

    he has no problem coming to ab to trash sands not a peep about labrea

    not hypocrisy in ur books?

    he flew the jets the tour buses drove

    yuge co2 footpring

    i don’t know what footprint is cause i have no feet but whatever

    not hypocrisy in ur books?

    Are you Mr. Bears cousin or close relative?

  84. Ice Sage says:

    semi legendary rot lobster:
    stevezie,

    wise to ignore lobsters but

    obssses obsesi obsee focusing on convictions word seems pedantic

    he has no problem coming to ab to trash sands not a peep about labrea

    not hypocrisy in ur books?

    he flew the jets the tour buses drove

    yuge co2 footpring

    i don’t know what footprint is cause i have no feet but whatever

    not hypocrisy in ur books?

    Sweet prose… but who’s dastardly Sarumanesque plan was it to breed RickiBear with Fog of Warts?
    Edit: Stush noticing the same thing…

  85. rickithebear says:

    Jones went from top 30 hsca d to bottom 30 hsca d with a jump in comp.

    If he aint defended a level of comp in WC.
    Do not put them there.

  86. square_wheels says:

    theWaxCollector,

    I don’t think Tmac or Chia is warm to Demers, unless suddenly Dellow has lobotomized the portion of their brains obsessed with heavy gritastical players or one of Chia’s 12-18 #1’s.

  87. godot10 says:

    stevezie:
    semi legendary rot lobster,

    None of this adds up to turning his back on his roots.

    And saying that living in California makes you responsible for the “dirtiness” of its oil is silly.

    Were his jets carrying his busses? Your statement must be an oversimplification.

    His response to the bus thing was it didn’t count as he was burning bio-diesel, which is as silly as your Cali point.

    Biodiesel is worse than burning diesel, because one is burning “topsoil”. Burning diesel may be stupid on a medium term scale. Burning biodiesel (or topsoil) is stupider on a long term scale.

    Europe deforested half of Indonesia before they realized what their subsidies for biodiesel were doing. They were getting green credits for that biodiesel too.

    Ditto corn ethanol. One of the most absurd so-called environmental ideas ever.

  88. square_wheels says:

    Ice Sage,

    Hahahahahaahhaha – laughed so hard my water came out my nose as I choked.

  89. semi legendary rot lobster says:

    stush18,

    scared of bears they like seafood

  90. semi legendary rot lobster says:

    Ice Sage,

    i did warn u it was wise to ignore lobsters

    of course then you wuld be following advice of lobster

    in words of great philosophr obiwan hoos more foolish fool or fool who follows fool

  91. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    5, 4, STOP.

    I’d send a good amount for Hamonic including Drai+ or Nurse+.

    I’m still holding out hope we blow all our money in the one shop of Subban: Drai + Ebs/Nurse + 2017 1st would be costly but losing Hall for a non-elite D is too scary to contemplate.

  92. kinger_OIL says:

    AsiaOil,

    This is a great summary Asia, I agree:

    I would certainly swap Eberle for a top 4 dman
    I might swap RNH for a top pair dman
    I would only swap Hall as part of a package for a #1 dman

    – I’d put Lindolm (or better) for Hall
    – I’d put Harmonic for RNH
    – Not sure which top-4 you get for Ebs, but Ebs + a Musil has to get something top-4

    – To me balance happens by trading for D, and buying the FA’s like Okposo/Lucic/Backes, etc

    – Or go for broke: get Burns, overpay in a trade for a year of his services, then re-up

  93. PunjabiOil says:

    Stauffer said today that the Ducks are the leaders in the Lucic sweeps.

    It’s comical as an Oilers fan I am hoping a good player (who will cost no assets other than cap space) signs elsewhere because of fears they will re-set the rebuild due to subsequent moves (i.e. Hall trade).

    You wouldn’t expect a river pusher like Hall to be available, but here we are. His name is out there every day, and the Oilers haven’t really done enough to dispel or shut down said rumours.

    Dallas, who has lost 3 quality defencemen since the deadline, and are arguably worse than the Oilers at that position, aren’t moving Seguin or Benn. You don’t read about Perry being available in Anaheim, or Pacioretty; because GMs understand how difficult it is to obtain elite talent.

    Ultimately I think Hall will still remain an Oiler – but I think we’re past the point that talks are just exploratory in nature.

    It’s quite sad, actually.

  94. Rondo says:

    semi legendary rot lobster,

    Theses social justice hypocrites they are willing for other people to pay but not themselves.

    100% agree with you.

  95. stush18 says:

    PunjabiOil: It’s comical as an Oilers fan I am hoping a good player (who will cost no assets other than cap space) signs elsewhere because of fears they will re-set the rebuild due to subsequent moves (i.e. Hall trade).

    You wouldn’t expect a river pusher like Hall to be available, but here we are.His name is out there every day, and the Oilers haven’t really done enough to dispel or shut down said rumours.

    Dallas, who has lost 3 quality defencemen since the deadline, and are arguably worse than the Oilers at that position, aren’t moving Seguin or Benn.You don’t read about Perry being available in Anaheim, or Pacioretty; because GMs understand how difficult it is to obtain elite talent.

    Ultimately I think Hall will still remain an Oiler – but I think we’re past the point that talks are just exploratory in nature.

    It’s quite sad, actually.

    I think the difference is seguin and benn score more which fans enjoy.

    The oilers don’t score much, so “naturally” it’s something with the forwards.

  96. rickithebear says:

    semi legendary rot lobster:
    stush18,

    scared of bears they like seafood

    Wife was raised next to sambro harbour.

    Helped a crew install a new engine 2 summers ago.
    Asked me to go on 4 day trip next time.
    But fresh fish is abundant.

  97. rickithebear says:

    I woul rather just sign top 4 dmen

  98. Picturesque says:

    Today there was mention that Stauffer indicted the Oilers may be in on someone we hadn’t considered yet, on a team looking for scoring. Could it be possible this is Toronto and the target is Morgan Reilly? I know he just signed a 6 year extension, but if Toronto doesn’t land Stamkos, would the Maple Leafs pass up hometown Hall? Or is Reilly their cornerstone going forward and is nearly untouchable?

  99. Магия 10 says:

    PunjabiOil: Ultimately I think Hall will still remain an Oiler – but I think we’re past the point that talks are just exploratory in nature.
    It’s quite sad, actually

    Suspect the Hall talk is misdirection created by leaving the PR arm in the dark to condition fans to be relieved by actual moves.

  100. rickithebear says:

    Punjaboil:
    Top 30 traded before post elc done.
    Thorton by sinden
    Wheeler by pc
    Kessel by pc
    Seguin by pc

    I am sure he has learned?

  101. Genjutsu says:

    Brett Connolly and Joe Colborne hold the most interest IMO.

    Connolly more so of the two. Worst case he serves as a good gate keeper for the big Finn to crash through on the lineup.

    Also not sure why Fayne and Gryba can’t exist on the same lineup. Assuming Gryba returns at a similar number I wouldn’t opposed.

    I wouldn’t mind if the asking price remains insane for a quality RHD if they signed Demers, Gryba and Redmond.

    With Fayne that’s a serviceable place to start the year off with and might just allow you to start Nurse and Griff in the AHL.

  102. Магия 10 says:

    Picturesque:
    Today there was mention that Stauffer indicted the Oilers may be in on someone we hadn’t considered yet, on a team looking for scoring. Could it be possible this is Toronto and the target is Morgan Reilly? I know he just signed a 6 year extension, but if Toronto doesn’t land Stamkos, would the Maple Leafs pass up hometown Hall? Or is Reilly their cornerstone going forward and is nearly untouchable?

    Reilly for Hall. Only in upper canada, eh? Pitiful.

  103. square_wheels says:

    Picturesque,

    I would think St Louis is baiting us with Pet.

    That’s a trade we’d lose but that’s what we’re looking at.

    Edit – it damn well better not be Boychuk.

  104. Woogie63 says:

    stush18: I think the difference is seguin and benn score more which fans enjoy.

    The oilers don’t score much, so “naturally” it’s something with the forwards.

    The rest of the league looks at Hall, RNH, Eberle and Yakupov as not good enough to get this team into at least one play-off series.

    Guys like Dubynk and Petry have shown some of the parts work better when they are not together.

    Finally Eberle and RNH are $4M players with very long terms…. Too expense for what they have accomplished.

    Hall is a bargain for every team in the league and PC wants a dman, honestly I would not be surprised if every GM in the league called PC trying to fleece the Oilers.

    Maybe Chayka does not call if he can’t swing a win/win deal.

  105. stephen sheps says:

    Picturesque,

    To borrow a turn of phrase from “Steve Smith”, I’m not sure hometown means what you think it means. Hall was born in Calgary and raised in my former residence, the lovely Kingston Ontario, not my soon to be home of Toronto.

    As to the Neil Young thing, we’re talking about a musician who has always marched to his own strange beat, from writing some of the best anti-drug songs of his generation while drinking himself to oblivion, to his strange flirtation with Reaganism in the 80s to his current environmental activism, ranging from yes, the oilsands critiques to first nations/indigenous rights to recording an entire record about Monsanto and the fear of GMO foods, to say nothing of his bizarre audio obsession (PONO good, MP3 bad). Look at the weirdness of his musical catalogue. This is a brilliant artist who does what he feels like whenever he feels like it. Take him for who he is, good bad or otherwise, but whether you support what he says or not, at least he has the courage to stand for something, regardless of how inconsistent that something happens to be.

    On the subject of Neil, Pitchfork has been doing a series on classic albums not reviewed there before and had a beauty on Tonight’s the Night this past weekend. Still my favourite record of his and probably on my desert island albums list. It’s worth a read for anyone into that sort of thing. http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/22053-tonights-the-night/

  106. JimmyV1965 says:

    Halfwise: There are lots of places far away from here to take this debate. It could be a great discussion, who knows?

    I’m inclined to follow LT’s hint, which wasn’t really that subtle.

    Shoulda kept my mouth shut.

  107. Магия 10 says:

    Woogie63:

    Maybe Chayka does not call if he can’t swing a win/win deal.

    You’ve got it backwards. Conventional GMs call and offer win lose on the basis that they all will. Leaving the new breed (which aren’t new just the smart ones in each gen) to swoop in at the end with an improved offer and profit with a win win.

    Only the packaging changes. See did a favor for my old team Sather when he knew it was time to do a deal on Talbot.

    Then again maybe you were making that point ironically.

  108. Woodguy says:

    square_wheels:
    Ducey,

    A certain purveyor of wood and wood products likes him.

    Becauseoilers.blogspot.ca

    I think he’d be a solid #7.

    I like him better then Gryba.

    Check out this out:

    Last 2 years, all Dmen who have played 1000min+, 5v5 pts/60

    29 LEDDY, NICK 0.93
    30 KLEFBOM, OSCAR 0.93
    31 DEMERS, JASON 0.92
    32 MARKOV, ANDREI 0.92
    33 STRALMAN, ANTON 0.91
    34 HICKEY, THOMAS 0.91
    35 MYERS, TYLER 0.91
    36 BRODIE, TJ 0.91
    37 MCDONAGH, RYAN 0.91
    38 YANDLE, KEITH 0.91
    39 BRAUN, JUSTIN 0.91
    40 VATANEN, SAMI 0.91
    41 WISNIEWSKI, JAMES 0.90
    42 REDMOND, ZACH 0.90 ****
    43 FAULK, JUSTIN 0.89
    44 CECI, CODY 0.89
    45 KEITH, DUNCAN 0.89
    46 EKHOLM, MATTIAS 0.89
    47 JOHNSON, ERIK 0.87
    48 HAMONIC, TRAVIS 0.86

    Kinda strange a 6’2″ 205lbs RHD who maded $800K and is going FA clocks in at 42.

    Obviously has warts in his game though.

    Jack Adams didn’t use him on the PK, but that doesn’t mean he can’t play it.

    He also had 4.19pts/60 5v4 in the same year that Barrie had 3.38 (albeit in a small sample)

    Interesting player for probably about $1MM, which is 1.37% of your cap space.

  109. Магия 10 says:

    Woodguy: Kinda strange a 6’2″ 205lbs RHD who maded $800K and is going FA clocks in at 42.

    6 spots ahead of the Hall for shame guy.

  110. Woodguy says:

    square_wheels:
    Picturesque,

    I would think St Louis is baiting us with Pet.

    That’s a trade we’d lose but that’s what we’re looking at.

    Edit – it damn well better not be Boychuk.

    Mustache Pete traded Boychuck for 2 2nds and a 3rd rather than pay him long term.

    I think we can discount that.

  111. Woodguy says:

    Магия 10: 6 spots ahead of the Hall for shame guy.

    I was actually suprised to see Hamonic that high in 5v5 pt/60 when I did my post on him.

    Has a serious “defensive Dman” reputation, but he drives play like a good offense Dman.

    Not elite, but a top 10-15 RHD in the NHL.

    Wouldn’t trade Hall for a package built around Hamonic, but I really like him as a player.

  112. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woogie63: The rest of the league looks at Hall, RNH, Eberle and Yakupov as not good enough to get this team into at least one play-off series.

    Guys like Dubynk and Petry have shown some of the parts work better when they are not together.

    Finally Eberle and RNH are $4M players with very long terms…. Too expense for what they have accomplished.

    Hall is a bargain for every team in the league and PC wants a dman, honestly I would not be surprised if every GM in the league called PC trying to fleece the Oilers.

    Maybe Chayka does not call if he can’t swing a win/win deal.

    I really don’t think the contracts of RNH and Ebs are hindering a trade. Someone is going to pay much older less talented players like Demwrs $6 million and Lucic $6 million and Yandle just got $6 million. RNH and Ebs are value contracts in comparison. Every team in the league has bad contracts and they simply don’t look like RNH and Ebs.

  113. TeeVee says:

    I’m interested to know who Chia’s twelve true #1 dmen are on his list. I’ll take a crack at it in no particular order off the top of my head:

    1. Doughty
    2. Keith
    3. Weber
    4. OEL
    5. Hedman
    6. Suter
    7. Letang
    8. Subban
    9. Karlsson
    10. Buff?
    11. Pietrangelo?
    12. Burns?

    Tough one.

  114. YKOil says:

    6, 5, 4

    Did Chiarelli trade for Connolly? I think he did. May be a play there. Given Connolly is RH… maybe there should be a play regardless. We need RH depth all over the roster.

    Surprised with Clendening. I was tapping the drum for him even just as depth. Surprised that Clendening’s agent didn’t ask for the Oesterle contract – that kind of contract is easy to sign, easy to call up, easy to bury and easy to trade. Better to be employed than not. Anyways, I don’t know what really happened there; all the best to him.

    Rieder. sigh

    The more I think about the Hall/Hamonic trade the more I think that Snow needs Hall as bed as Chia needs Hamonic and given Hall is a better player then Snow would REALLY have to pay up to make that work.

    Tavares isn’t getting younger and certainly isn’t getting cheaper so if the Islanders want to make play-off hay they NEED a guy like Hall to drive another line or allow a load-up on one. Will Snow get Vanek, probably, but Vanek at 32 isn’t what he used to be, certainly isn’t Hall and it isn’t like that team is swimming in cash.

    So, as much as I like Hamonic, I just don’t see where Snow has pole position on any trade.

    Get some parts that work on the right side and let good health do the rest.

  115. square_wheels says:

    Woodguy,

    These are bets I’d make all day, peanuts really. But can he clear a crease and rip a puck off the glass better than Gryba ?

    I’m ok with having several depth D, all with pro experience and the ability to skate.

    If Chia signs him it’s 100% confirmation Dellow still has a seat at the adult table.

  116. YKOil says:

    JimmyV1965: I really don’t think the contracts of RNH and Ebs are hindering a trade. Someone is going to pay much older less talented players like Demwrs $6 million and Lucic $6 million and Yandle just got $6 million. RNH and Ebs are value contracts in comparison. Every team in the league has bad contracts and they simply don’t look like RNH and Ebs.

    This.

  117. YKOil says:

    square_wheels:
    Woodguy,

    These are bets I’d make all day, peanuts really. But can he clear a crease and rip a puck off the glass better than Gryba ?

    I’m ok with having several depth D, all with pro experience and the ability to skate.

    If Chia signs him it’s 100% confirmation Dellow still has a seat at the adult table.

    I would be quite happy to bring Redmond in. If it meant I’m not trading away guys like Hall, I would probably pay more than the million.

    Would be thrilled to do 1.25 a year for 3 years. Easy to bury if it doesn’t work out and I can always make roster room if need be.

    Gryba will be an expensive 3rd pairing guy.

  118. Магия 10 says:

    TeeVee:
    I’m interested to know who Chia’s twelve true #1 dmen are on his list. I’ll take a crack at it in no particular order off the top of my head:

    1. Doughty
    2. Keith
    3. Weber
    4. OEL
    5. Hedman
    6. Suter
    7. Letang
    8. Subban
    9. Karlsson
    10. Buff?
    11. Pietrangelo?
    12. Burns?

    Tough one.

    You’d want to average in more than one year but the Norris votes give some idea of who belongs or is on the rise

    1. Drew Doughty, LAK 1254 (93-37-10-4-3)
    2. Erik Karlsson, OTT 1020 (46-54-27-14-5)
    3. Brent Burns, SJS 619 (3-26-54-43-8)
    4. Kris Letang, PIT 587 (8-24-40-40-19)
    5. Roman Josi, NSH 120 (0-1-6-17-32)
    6. John Klingberg, DAL 63 (0-2-2-6-21)
    7. Victor Hedman, TBL 62 (0-2-3-6-15)
    8. Ryan Suter, MIN 53 (0-1-3-7-10)
    9. Oliver Ekman-Larsson, ARI 30 (0-0-2-2-14)
    10. Shea Weber, NSH 27 (0-1-1-4-3)
    11. Duncan Keith, CHI 21 (0-1-1-1-6)
    12. Dustin Byfuglien, WPG 8 (0-0-0-1-5)
    13. Mark Giordano, CGY 7 (0-1-0-0-0)
    14. P.K. Subban, MTL 6 (0-0-0-2-0)
    15. Ryan McDonagh, NYR 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
    16. Aaron Ekblad, FLA 4 (0-0-0-0-4)
    17. Brian Campbell, FLA 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
    17.Shayne Gostisbehere, PHI 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
    17..Hampus Lindholm, ANA 3 (0-0-0-1-0)

  119. square_wheels says:

    TeeVee,

    Brodie, Josi, John Carlson

    Some would say Gio – but it’s Brodie that stirsmthat drink

    Same for Josi, Weber is fading fast

    Then you have the emerging/well on their way guys like Ekblad, Lindholm and that kid in Dallas.

    What about Vlasic ?

  120. square_wheels says:

    Магия 10,

    Where the fuck is Brodie ? Or Carlson ?

  121. Lowetide says:

    My favorite Neil Young album is Zuma. I love Rust, but Zuma speaks to me. Danger Bird, Barstool Blues, Cortez, the whole damn thing. I love that record, and you know, I loved it the first time I ever heard it.

  122. AsiaOil says:

    kinger_OIL,

    You would have to think that Ebs + GR gets you something nice in the way of a RHD even if he’s a bit over-paid. No target springs to mind.

    Ebs for Shatts? We get a bit of cap relief, plug a big hole next season, and buy time to try convince him to re-up. Even if he wants to move on we could always flip him for a 1st round pick at the deadline. Would lose 2 years of Ebs but a first rounder at the deadline would mitigate a bit of this if it came to that.

  123. Магия 10 says:

    square_wheels:
    Магия 10,

    Where the fuck is Brodie ?Or Carlson ?

    That’s the problem with one Norris list. You’d need a few and it would still miss some D that are under recognized

  124. stephen sheps says:

    Lowetide:
    My favorite Neil Young album is Zuma. I love Rust, but Zuma speaks to me. Danger Bird, Barstool Blues, Cortez, the whole damn thing. I love that record, and you know, I loved it the first time I ever heard it.

    Zuma is a very close second for me. Cortez was the first song of Neil’s I ever tried to learn the leads for, and is probably the only reason I can even play lead guitar when given half a chance. Danger Bird is amazing, and Don’t Cry No Tears is the perfect opener, a way of coming out of the darkness that characterized the Ditch trilogy and back into the light, or at least somewhere less dark than what came before it.

    But Tonight’s the Night will always be my #1.

  125. McSorley33 says:

    Магия 10,

    5, 4 ….stop

  126. Bad Seed says:

    Lowetide,

    On The Beach – hell, the whole ditch trilogy is awesome.

  127. Evilas says:

    Магия 10,

    4,5,6 STOP

  128. Picturesque says:

    stephen sheps:
    Picturesque,

    To borrow a turn of phrase from “Steve Smith”, I’m not sure hometown means what you think it means. Hall was born in Calgary and raised in my former residence, the lovely Kingston Ontario, not my soon to be home of Toronto.

    I guess I just meant “hometown” as in he’s from Ontario and I got the impression he grew up a Leafs fan… and that his dad wears a Maple Leaf jacket to an Oilers game.

  129. VOR says:

    Stush18,

    I wanted to explain why I would like the Oilers to acquire Michael Paliotta.

    I suspect Chia and I share at least one thing in common. We believe the Oilers need culture change.

    I am reading tea leaves but to me Chia seems to be saying Hall out, Lucic in would be the beginning of a new and winning culture in the room. A culture of hard work, grit, and an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

    I think that in this regard Chia is wrong. I think you could change out Hall and replace him with Lucic and the Oilers would still be fragile in adverse conditions and lacking in work ethic many nights. The Oilers are still an extremely young team and made up of players from a generation that responds better to the carrot than the stick. They need a leadership group that can work with them not a leadership group that dominates them.

    So where does Michael Paliotta come into this discussion?

    “He never raises his voice. He never gives speeches. But Mike makes this a great room. Out there on the ice and in here Mike has our backs.” University of Vermont Catamount Senior D Nick Luukko talking about his team captain, Mike Paliotta.

    So, Paliotta was, for at least two years, the best defensive defenceman in hockey East, probably in all of NCAA hockey. He was also the second highest scoring defenceman in Hockey East over that time, in the top ten nationally two years in a row. Chicago drafted him and developed him. In fact, Paliotta wanted to go pro after his sophomore year but Chicago talked him into finishing his degree. He appeared to have a bright future in the Blackhawks organization. Then he became a part of the Saad trade.

    In Columbus’ mind they thought they were getting a true shutdown D. So Paliotta has been anchoring the penalty kill, seeing very little PP time and looks like his offence didn’t make it from college to the AHL. Nothing could be further from the truth. He scored the vast majority of his points in the NCAA on the power play where he was a wizard. The Catamounts went 19.4 and 20.2% on the power play the two years Paliotta was their power play quarterback. I’ve been told his ES points per game was almost identical over the last three years, two in college one in the A.

    Columbus has turned out to be a very poor fit for Paliotta. It is hard to get a good read but the media seem to be saying he continues to put his teammates interests ahead of management’s interests and management doesn’t like it. It is all innuendo and gossip but you can always tell when management is struggling with a player who refuses to knuckle under. Paliotta is clearly proving difficult because with his resume and the decent year he had in a shutdown role and the success the AHL team had not qualifying him was absurd. I really thought it had to be a mistake when I read he hadn’t been qualified.

    I am guessing the Oilers will want nothing to do with him. Chia doesn’t seem to me to be a guy who surrounds himself with iconoclasts and free thinkers. That said I continue to believe the culture change the Oilers need is to inject a group of young men into their room who are a bit older, a bit more vocal and of whom their teammates will say, “he has our backs on the ice and in the dressing room.”

  130. Wonder Llama says:

    I forgive whatever environmental hypocrisy Neil Young may be guilty of because I’m well aware of my own.

    Pretty hard to argue with any of Zuma, Tonight’s The Night, On The Beach, After The Goldfish, Rust Never Sleeps, or even casual fan favorite Harvest. Brilliant songwriter.

    For the quintessential Neil song in terms of sheer sparse beauty I’d nominate “Borrowed Tune.”

    I’m hoping it matters… I’m having my doubts.

  131. "Steve Smith" says:

    Neil Young’s politics are incoherent. I don’t mean that as a comment on environmentalists, or social justice types, or anybody else – nobody deserves to be tarred with Neil Young’s politics. In terms of his politics, he’s just a nut. Sheps puts it best:

    stephen sheps:
    Picturesque,
    As to the Neil Young thing, we’re talking about a musician who has always marched to his own strange beat, from writing some of the best anti-drug songs of his generation while drinking himself to oblivion, to his strange flirtation with Reaganism in the 80s to his current environmental activism, ranging from yes, the oilsands critiques to first nations/indigenous rights to recording an entire record about Monsanto and the fear of GMO foods, to say nothing of his bizarre audio obsession (PONO good, MP3 bad). Look at the weirdness of his musical catalogue. This is a brilliant artist who does what he feels like whenever he feels like it. Take him for who he is, good bad or otherwise, but whether you support what he says or not, at least he has the courage to stand for something, regardless of how inconsistent that something happens to be.

    If you really want to test your love of a guy’s music, drag up this Neil Young quote from the eighties, at the beginning of the HIV/AIDS crisis: “You go to a supermarket and you see a faggot behind the fuckin’ cash register, you don’t want him to handle your potatoes.” I brought that up a lot a couple of years ago, when a lot of my friends were citing his comments on Indigenous rights, which they (and I) thought were pretty great. But you start giving a guy a privileged position to talk about politics because he happens to be an accidental musical genius, you have to take the bad with the good. And, in the former category, he’s now off on this stupid GMO kick. I enjoyed Living with War anyway, though, albeit less because of the comically over-the-top “Let’s Impeach the President” and more because of the empathetic and touching “Roger and Out”, and other tracks like it.

    (There was a great SNL bit when that album came out, featuring Kevin Spacey playing Neil Young in an infomercial for his “most subtle album yet”, including tracks like “I Do Not Agree with Many of this Administration’s Policies” and “George W. Liar” – “What’d you have for breakfast, Mr. President? / Was it a tall stack of lies? / And did you wash it down with an ice cold glass of lies?”)

    As for my favourite Neil Young album…I might be able to whittle it down to a top ten. As I’ve said on here before, a sleeper member of that list would be Broken Arrow, which doesn’t make many people’s lists. Zuma and Tonight’s the Night are on there too. But if I have to name my number one, I probably go with the one that introduced me to Neil Young in the first place – After the Goldrush (a nice predictable choice to balance out Broken Arrow).

    An old friend of mine once tried to pit my love of Neil Young against another of his friends’ love of Bowie, and still another’s of the Beatles. The plan was for each of us to submit a mix CD of ten of our favourite’s best works, and have him judge whose output was best. If you can imagine: Neil Young’s best ten songs…absurd. I wanted no part of it.

    (The friend who was supposed to champion the Beatles apparently got himself disqualified by just submitting the white album. Never heard what, if anything, the Bowie guy did.)

    One of the great things about Neil Young is how much absolute crap he’s released along with his gold (“Old King” occupies a special place in my heart in that regard – “Old King sure meant a lot to me / but that hound dog is his-tor-y” – but it’s by no means unique). My ex used to have this theory that Neil Young couldn’t write songs for shit, but that he sometimes acted as a conduit for some kind of extra-dimensional song-writing deity. Only problem was, Neil couldn’t tell when he was acting as a conduit, and when he was writing his own crap (“Piece of Crap” would fall into the latter category). There’s that old story where he plays this album he had in the works (I think it might have been Homegrown – something that never wound up seeing the light of day, anyway) for some visitors, who enthusiastically told him that they thought he had his next Harvest. “Yeah?” he asked, dubiously, before refusing to ever release the album (he later commented that it was “just too…good, you know?”). This might have actually been in the period that he instead released the charmingly uncommercial Tonight’s the Night instead, or I might be mixing up my timelines.

    In support of the conduit theory are some comments he once made on stage about “Mr. Soul”: “A lot of my songs take a long time to write – like two, three hours – but this one only took me as long to write as it takes to play.” I think my first relationship (not the one with the ex with the conduit theory) is probably explained by “Any girl in the world could have easily known me better / She said ‘you’re strange, but don’t change’ and I let her”. Hello, Mr. Soul.

    Actually, I described Tonight’s the Night as “charmingly uncommercial”, which it was, until you put it next to basically everything Neil released in the 1980s on Geffen. To bring this full circle, his synth-pop remix of “Mr. Soul” on the Trans album shows us that, in terms of “charmingly uncommercial”, at the time of Tonight’s the Night, we ain’t seen nothing yet.

    (I have no idea how to conjugate “ain’t” in the past tense; bear with me.)

    “Uncommercial” is actually the word that Geffen used when suing Neil Young for the music he released during his unhappy period on that label – they left out “charmingly”, which I suppose makes sense given the commercial disaster that he was for them. But that’s always been my favourite Neil Young fact: the guy once got sued for his own record label for releasing deliberately uncommercial music. Like Will said: kill all the lawyers.

    (They settled out of court.)

    One of the better Neil Young albums of the 1980s was This Note’s For You, whose title track is a great, if tongue-in-cheek, assault on the newfound commercialism of the MTV era (MTV initially refused to play the video for the song, before ultimately making it video of the year, or somesuch). As always, though, Neil was being a bit disingenuous: that note, and every other one he ever wrote, was never for us. It was for him, and no true Neil Young fan would have it any other way.

  132. dustrock says:

    Lowetide:
    My favorite Neil Young album is Zuma. I love Rust, but Zuma speaks to me. Danger Bird, Barstool Blues, Cortez, the whole damn thing. I love that record, and you know, I loved it the first time I ever heard it.

    Powderfinger is my favorite NY song. Never heard such a tortured sound coming from a guitar before or since. Gives me shivers. Neil wasnt the best technical player but my god, the feels.

  133. RandomPoster says:

    Woodguy: Mustache Pete traded Boychuck for 2 2nds and a 3rd rather than pay him long term.

    Did he have the budget to be able to afford Boychuck long term? A lot of times there are other variables at play.

  134. LadiesloveSmid says:

    rickithebear:
    Punjaboil:
    Top 30 traded before post elc done.
    Thorton by sinden
    Wheeler by pc
    Kessel by pc
    Seguin by pc

    I am sure he has learned?

    was Wheeler a top 30 ES scorer in Boston? how did they get Seguin in the first place?

  135. LadiesloveSmid says:

    VOR,

    I’d probably take Paliotta over Clendening. Would be an interesting acquisition

  136. YKOil says:

    Sure. Paliotta and Redmond and keep the forwards intact.

    Honestly, anything is better than start-the-year-still-on-the-crapper-Fayne, new-to-the-team-Gryba and call-up of last resort Nikitin. So I am good to go with ANYTHING that is an upgrade.

    Also, how soon do we forget that it was the first year of a new coach and Sekera’s first year too?

    Hell people, we could throw chewed gum and banana peels out on that ice to start next year and it could very well do a better job of stopping the other team.

  137. Professor Q says:

    Picturesque: I guess I just meant “hometown” as in he’s from Ontario and I got the impression he grew up a Leafs fan… and that his dad wears a Maple Leaf jacket to an Oilers game.

    He was born in and grew up in Calgary, and stated Calgary as his favourite team growing up (sort of the opposite of Phaneuf and Iginla who grew up loving the Oilers and then playing for Calgary). This was a minor media topic when he was drafted (harhar, you’ll be really hating playing for Edmonton!) yet he answered that he guesses Edmonton will be his new favourite team.

    He only attended High School in Kingston and played OHL in Windsor.

  138. BlacqueJacque says:

    THERE IS A GOD – Healy is off the Sportsnet broadcasts!

  139. YKOil says:

    LadiesloveSmid: was Wheeler a top 30 ES scorer in Boston? how did they get Seguin in the first place?

    Wheeler’s matured well. rtb’s base point holds though – once Chiarelli decides to dump you he out-and-out freaking dumps you. Maybe he has learned. Too many trades like that and a GM might as well start boning up on their ‘in front of a camera’ skills.

  140. Woogie63 says:

    Магия 10: You’ve got it backwards. Conventional GMs call and offer win lose on the basis that they all will. Leaving the new breed (which aren’t new just the smart ones in each gen) to swoop in at the end with an improved offer and profit with a win win.

    Only the packaging changes. See did a favor for my old team Sather when he knew it was time to do a deal on Talbot.

    Then again maybe you were making that point ironically.

    Not sure Sather did any favor on the way out of NYR. Here are the Talbot “type” trades from last year’s draft….

    Lehner with 2 years remain on contract and Legwand gets Buffalo 21st OV pick in draft

    Jones and Miller and LA’s 13th OV for Lucic

    Lack to Carolina for 66th OV and a 7th round draft pick

    Niemi to Dallas for the 193 OV pick

    Talbot and NYR 209 OV pick to Edmonton for 57 OV, 79 OV and 184 OV

    Raanta to NYR for Haggerty

    Jones to SJS 1 round pick and Sean Kuraly

    From that subset it is hard to see the Sather gift.

    If Sather waits two weeks or two months and the 30 starting goalie spots are gone, he would very lucky to move his back-up for more than 3rd round draft pick. Sather got the best deal he could, so did PC.

  141. Acumen says:

    Would love to add Paliotta. I think very highly of the player, and the fact that he’s available for free seems absolutely preposterous to me.

    It would have the feel of the olden days when the Oilers management team would pull guys like DeVries, Smith and Staios out of a top hat every couple years.

  142. AsiaOil says:

    Well we will see where all of this goes – but trading Hall for anything less than one of the dozen #1 dmen that Chia mentioned is a very very bad idea. Would rather not go down that road. My minimum list of adds is as follows:

    – top 4 RHD with a bit of offense
    – 2nd line 2 way RW (Eriksson, Smith etc) to support CMD and shield JP
    – RH 3rd line center
    – backup goalie

    You will note that large Italian LWs are not on that list – Lucic is a luxury – and he will likely just use EDM to get more money from ANA. We also just drafted a large skilled winger so Chia’s itch in that area has probably been scratched to a degree. Somehow pulling a deal with Nashville for Smith/Ellis would fix a whole lot of what ails the Oilers.

  143. Магия 10 says:

    Woogie63: Not sure Sather did any favor on the way out of NYR.Here are the Talbot “type” trades from last year’s draft….

    Lehner with 2 years remain on contract and Legwand gets Buffalo 21st OV pick in draft

    Jones and Miller and LA’s 13th OV for Lucic

    Lack to Carolina for 66th OV and a 7th round draft pick

    Niemi to Dallas for the 193 OV pick

    Talbot and NYR 209 OV pick to Edmonton for 57 OV, 79 OV and 184 OV

    Raanta to NYR for Haggerty

    Jones to SJS 1 round pick and Sean Kuraly

    From that subset it is hard to see the Sather gift.

    If Sather waits two weeks or two months and the 30 starting goalie spots are gone, he would very lucky to move his back-up for more than 3rd round draft pick.Sather got the best deal he could, so did PC.

    Exactly . Win win when waiting is losing profit. Sather says it’s old style did them a favor. New guy wraps it up Colombo style. He’s gonna have trading partners Some never find a wsy there. When you think you are robbing the innocent get ready to fall.

  144. Woogie63 says:

    Магия 10,

    not sure this is a profit thing for a back-up goalie on the NYR. Sather maximized an asset, he had a tiny window and he took it, I don’t think PC send a Calton Card expressing his appreciation for Mr. Sather’s gift.

  145. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Магия 10: You’d want to average in more than one year but the Norris votes give some idea of who belongs or is on the rise

    1. Drew Doughty, LAK 1254 (93-37-10-4-3)
    2. Erik Karlsson, OTT 1020 (46-54-27-14-5)
    3. Brent Burns, SJS 619 (3-26-54-43-8)
    4. Kris Letang, PIT 587 (8-24-40-40-19)
    5. Roman Josi, NSH 120 (0-1-6-17-32)
    6. John Klingberg, DAL 63 (0-2-2-6-21)
    7. Victor Hedman, TBL 62 (0-2-3-6-15)
    8. Ryan Suter, MIN 53 (0-1-3-7-10)
    9. Oliver Ekman-Larsson, ARI 30 (0-0-2-2-14)
    10. Shea Weber, NSH 27 (0-1-1-4-3)
    11. Duncan Keith, CHI 21 (0-1-1-1-6)
    12. Dustin Byfuglien, WPG 8 (0-0-0-1-5)
    13. Mark Giordano, CGY 7 (0-1-0-0-0)
    14. P.K. Subban, MTL 6 (0-0-0-2-0)
    15. Ryan McDonagh, NYR 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
    16. Aaron Ekblad, FLA 4 (0-0-0-0-4)
    17. Brian Campbell, FLA 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
    17.Shayne Gostisbehere, PHI 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
    17..Hampus Lindholm, ANA 3 (0-0-0-1-0)

    No particular order
    Van – none Tanev #2 (not enough O)
    San Jose – none Vlasic (see Tanev) and Burns (great O, but not enough D) #2s
    LA – 1 Doughty
    Calgary – 1 Brodie
    Colorado – None
    Arizona – 1 OEL
    Edmonton – None
    Dallas – None. Klingberg #2
    Minny – 1. Suter
    Winnipeg – None. Buff #2
    Nashville – 2. Josi, Weber
    St. Louis – 1. Pietrangelo
    Chicago – 1. Keith
    Detroit – None
    CBJ -None
    Toronto – None. Rielly #2
    Ottawa – 1. Karlsson
    Montreal – 1. Subban
    NYI – None. Hamonic #2
    NYR – 1. McDonagh
    Philly – None.
    Buffalo – None. Risto #2
    Boston – None.
    Carolina – 1. Faulk (low end. has some HSCA issues)
    Tampa – 1. Hedman
    Florida – None. Ekblad #2 could be a 1 soon.
    Pittsburgh – 1. Letang
    Washington – 1. Carlson
    Anaheim – 1. Lindholm (low end now but tracking well)
    New Jersey – None. Larsson is close but not enough offense (see Vlasic, Tanev).

    Total 16.
    Chia did say there are 12, maybe 15. So if you have 15 you can take out Lindholm maybe on track record. 12 Faulk, Lindholm, and McDonagh or Carlson?

    I think Chia is right on.

  146. Dominoiler says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    San Jose – none Vlasic and Burns #2s

    What is it about Burns that takes him out of the #1 grouping? Im my opinion, he was a force in the playoffs this year (didnt see him much in the reg season)..

  147. AsiaOil says:

    Paliotta is interesting as Columbus was really high on him 9 months ago as part of the Saad trade.

    http://www.jacketscannon.com/2015/9/15/9327821/meet-the-new-blue-jacket-michael-paliotta

    Wonder what the hell went wrong as his raw numbers look fine for guy without any PP time.

    68GP 8-15-23 29PIM +4

    Oilers have an advantage with any non-established RHD free agents as our cupboard is well and truly bare. A guy like Paliotta can look at our depth chart and see a huge opportunity for a career with us. There is literally no one ahead of him at this point. But question remains – why did they let him go? Columbus has been doing some strange stuff recently and maybe we can pull Savard out of there.

  148. spoiler says:

    VOR,

    Yet another awesome post and a great target.

    Paliotta… bring him to us.

    Adding young RHD cannot do any harm.

  149. Zelepukin says:

    Dominoiler: What is it about Burns that takes him out of the #1 grouping? Im my opinion, he was a force in the playoffs this year (didnt see him much in the reg season)..

    Ya, serious lol. That is trolling level of lol. A 6′ 5″ 235lb right handed D who was the 2nd highest scoring D in the league, 27 goals and 2nd in playoffs in points.

  150. kinger_OIL says:

    "Steve Smith",

    – This is a great post. I’ve never “matured” into Neil Young. The radio only plays the same 2 or 3 songs, I find his voice irritating, and his personality erratic. He reminds me of a stereo-type weird drunk uncle that you never talked to as a kid because he was scary and unkept.

    – That said, I do feel that one day, I’ll sit down and listen to his music properly. At his best, he wrote songs that mattered to him, and to a lot of people. I respect that. He’s no “pop artist”

  151. "Steve Smith" says:

    AsiaOil: You will note that large Italian LWs are not on that list – Lucic is a luxury – and he will likely just use EDM to get more money from ANA.

    I don’t think “Italian” etc., etc., etc.

  152. square_wheels says:

    Магия 10,

    Exactly. Living in Calgary I have to endure Flames mania at all turns, but Brodie is the goods.

  153. russ99 says:

    I’m warming slightly to the lesser UFA route, but as a move to supplement our big D acquisition, not to replace it.

    It’s a bit of a crapshoot, but guys who sign that way often turn out to be good contributors.

    By no means should we bring Gryba back, if he’s back, that shows that the management team has no foresight to get better, and we’re going to stand pat in the bottom 5.

    Gonna be interesting around here when we get outbid for Demers, some of you have too many eggs in that basket.

    i hope that Chiarelli’s patience pays off, like with Talbot last year. But still, make the trade already!

  154. Chachi says:

    “Steve Smith”: I don’t think “Italian” etc., etc., etc.

    Yeah, Paliotta – very Italian. Lucic – not so much.

  155. stephen sheps says:

    "Steve Smith":

    “Uncommercial” is actually the word that Geffen used when suing Neil Young for the music he released during his unhappy period on that label – they left out “charmingly”, which I suppose makes sense given the commercial disaster that he was for them.But that’s always been my favourite Neil Young fact: the guy once got sued for his own record label for releasing deliberately uncommercial music.Like Will said: kill all the lawyers.

    (They settled out of court.)

    the best part of that lawsuit was Neil’s manager explaining the rationale behind signing with Geffen in the first place. They turned down more money to sign with Geffen because he was at one point CSNY’s manager, so Neil was comfortable working with him.

    From the internets:
    The year before the lawsuit, just after Young had signed to Geffen, his longtime manager Elliot Roberts was asked why Young had changed labels, and said, “I did have a much larger offer from R.C.A. about £4 Million more. David Geffen and I used to be partners and David has worked with Neil for a very long time. He totally relates to Neil as an artist and has no preconceived notions about Neil. He knows that he’s capable of doing anything at any point, at any time… he will have the freedom to practice his art as he sees it, as opposed to when you make a deal where someone is paying you £1 – £2 million an album you feel obligated to give them commercial music that they can sell large numbers of. Neil’s not concerned with selling large numbers of his records, he’s concerned with making records that he’s pleased with. Unfortunately they are not always commercial from the record company’s point of view. David Geffen relates to that. He knows Neil may do a country album and then he may do an electric album because there’s no rhyme or reason with Neil. It’s what he’s moved by.” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody%27s_Rockin%27#cite_note-6)

    you said it best right here:

    As always, though, Neil was being a bit disingenuous: that note, and every other one he ever wrote, was never for us.It was for him, and no true Neil Young fan would have it any other way.

    Last Neil thing on the thread (from me at least). His appearance on the Tonight Show last week (or should I say the appearance of two Neil Youngs) was gold.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycKvOwKJZw

  156. theres oil in virginia says:

    "Steve Smith": (I have no idea how to conjugate “ain’t” in the past tense; bear with me.)

    “hain’t”

    I’m from the South. You have to know these things.

    EDIT: Forgot to mention, the ‘h’ is silent.

  157. theres oil in virginia says:

    stephen sheps,

    Thanks. 2 Neil Youngs + tree stump = awesome.

  158. Магия 10 says:

    Woogie63:
    Магия 10,

    not sure this is a profit thing for a back-up goalie on the NYR.Sather maximized an asset,he had a tiny window and he took it, I don’t think PC send a Calton Card expressing his appreciation for Mr.Sather’s gift.

    So only a difference in style.

  159. stephen sheps says:

    theres oil in virginia: “hain’t”

    I’m from the South.You have to know these things.

    EDIT: Forgot to mention, the ‘h’ is silent.

    Seconded, and quoted for truthiness.

    Also, you’re welcome.

  160. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Магия 10,

    6,4,5,2,3,1

  161. Магия 10 says:

    theres oil in virginia: EDIT: Forgot to mention, the ‘h’ is silent.

    Longer a to compensate?

  162. mit167 says:

    Just looking at Free Agents… Are we happier or at least better off if we pick up any of the following

    Ben Lovejoy
    Luke Schenn
    Jason Demers
    Roman Polak
    Eric Gryba

    —-

    Current

    Klefbom Sekera
    Davidson Fayne
    Nurse Reinhart / Osterle

  163. Магия 10 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: No particular order
    Van – none Tanev #2
    San Jose – none Vlasic and Burns #2s
    LA – 1 Doughty
    Calgary – 1 Brodie
    Colorado – None
    Arizona – 1 OEL
    Edmonton – None
    Dallas – None. Klingberg #2
    Minny – 1. Suter
    Winnipeg – None. Buff #2
    Nashville – 2. Josi, Weber
    St. Louis – 1. Pietrangelo
    Chicago – 1. Keith
    Detroit – None
    CBJ -None
    Toronto – None. Rielly #2
    Ottawa – 1. Karlsson
    Montreal – 1. Subban
    NYI – None. Hamonic #2
    NYR – 1. McDonagh
    Philly – None.
    Buffalo – None. Risto #2
    Boston – None.
    Carolina – 1. Faulk
    Tampa – 1. Hedman
    Florida – None. Ekblad #2
    Pittsburgjh – 1. Letang
    Wsshington – 1. Csrlson

    Anaheim, Nj?

  164. npanciroli says:

    mit167:
    Just looking at Free Agents…Are we happier or at least better off if we pick up any of the following

    Ben Lovejoy
    Luke Schenn
    Jason Demers
    Roman Polak
    Eric Gryba

    —-

    Current

    Klefbom Sekera
    Davidson Fayne
    Nurse Reinhart / Osterle

    I would think you can go into next year with a competent D core just through FA.

    Klefbom Demers
    Sekera Fayne
    Davidson Gryba/Redmond

    The one nice thing about this is you can run 3 offensive lines.

    Hall RNH Eberle
    Pouliot McDavid Puljujarvi
    Maroon Drai Yakupov

  165. tarvbc says:

    Out of that list of RFA’s that Pirri fellow seems like a good fit for the oilers wing. I think he would be a nice replacement for Eberle should the Oil look to trade him. Pirri can play all 3 forward position and basically play on any line.

    Lucic-Mcdavid-Pirri ???
    Eberle traded for D help ??

  166. Pouzar says:

    Jeremy Rutherford (@jprutherford) | Twitter

    45 mins ago – View on Twitter

    No truth to speculation that Shattenkirk will only extend in the East. There have been West teams in the mix. #stlblues

  167. BlacqueJacque says:

    RexLibris:
    BlacqueJacque,

    Glad to see you back. It has been awhile. I hope this season is easier on you (and all of us) than the last one.

    Thank you for the welcome back.

    Was never really gone, just didn’t comment. I argued too often last time, wasn’t happy with how toxic I was acting. Hopefully I’ll be behaving better.

    As far as hockey goes, last season made me realize I like talking about it a lot more than I like watching it. The problem with having McDavid is he makes hockey exciting to watch again. When he went down with injury it was a shocking realization of how bad not just the team is, but what a sad state hockey is in. I tried picking a contender and after watching some San Jose, Anaheim, LA, Nashville and Chicago games, I kind of lost interest.

    And maybe it’s just me, but I swear there’s more commercial breaks on TV now, especially in the playoffs. So I read some blogs, I listen a bit to the radio, I comment every now and then on Reddit. The draft is really the most exciting part of the year for me, and I suspect it will be so until the Oilers make a deep run in the playoffs.

  168. npanciroli says:

    Pouzar:
    Jeremy Rutherford (@jprutherford) | Twitter

    45 mins ago – View on Twitter

    No truth to speculation that Shattenkirk will only extend in the East. There have been West teams in the mix. #stlblues

    Think St.Louis is going for Eberle in the deal? RW looks to be their weakest link.

  169. Pouzar says:

    npanciroli: Think St.Louis is going for Eberle in the deal? RW looks to be their weakest link.

    Not sure. Would seem like a match to me. I wonder what ‘kirk is asking

  170. Water Fire says:

    npanciroli: Think St.Louis is going for Eberle in the deal? RW looks to be their weakest link.

    I could live with that, but the team still needs a #1.

    Paliotta seems like a no brainer. A rookie but probably very close like Petry. I’d bet he could cover 3rd pairing half way in after some AHL time. A better bet for me than Gryba or Pardy, and he’s big if not violent.

  171. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    npanciroli: I would think you can go into next year with a competent D core just through FA.

    Klefbom Demers
    Sekera Fayne
    Davidson Gryba/Redmond

    The one nice thing about this is you can run 3 offensive lines.

    Hall RNH Eberle
    Pouliot McDavid Puljujarvi
    Maroon Drai Yakupov

    I like those forwards, but would make some adjustments to the lines:
    – I’d keep Hall and Drai together
    – I’d keep RNH and Eberle together
    – Yak performed well (by my eye) with MacDavid, so I’d keep Yak with the centre he can produce with
    – Pouliot looked great with RNH and Eberle 2 seasons ago… I’d give it another chance
    – Maroon looked good (small sample size, I know) with McDavid)

    Hall Drai Puljujarvi
    Maroon McDavid Yakupov
    Pouliot RNH Eberle

    Any thoughts on this? Having Drai play with Puljujarvi AND Hall could be a load. 😀

    (Ideally, start Puljujarvi in the AHL, but if they’re going to play him in the Oilers, I’d like to see this)

    *EDIT* I didn’t put any thought into the “1st line”, “2nd line”, etc. I just listed the 3 lines. I’m almost under the impression the RNH line would need the least amount of sheltering.

  172. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    @Real_ESPNLebrun

    “UFA blue-liner Jason Demers and UFA winger Milan Lucic both scheduled to be in Edmonton today as Oilers sell them both on their market/team”

    Edit: Is Messier in town?

  173. npanciroli says:

    HeatTreaterJoe,

    Yeah so much depth with those forwards you can roll them however you want.

  174. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    @TSNRyanRishaug:

    “6th year may be key in Lucic deal. Would guess he will insist on it. May be more than some teams would be willing to do.”

  175. npanciroli says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes:
    @Real_ESPNLebrun

    “UFA blue-liner Jason Demers and UFA winger Milan Lucic both scheduled to be in Edmonton today as Oilers sell them both on their market/team”

    No reason for this but I still think Demers comes in cheaper than expected.

  176. GCW_69 says:

    mit167:
    Just looking at Free Agents…Are we happier or at least better off if we pick up any of the following

    Ben Lovejoy
    Luke Schenn
    Jason Demers
    Roman Polak
    Eric Gryba

    —-

    Current

    Klefbom Sekera
    Davidson Fayne
    Nurse Reinhart / Osterle

    Polak is a disaster. He is the last thing we need.

  177. GCW_69 says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes:
    @Real_ESPNLebrun

    “UFA blue-liner Jason Demers and UFA winger Milan Lucic both scheduled to be in Edmonton today as Oilers sell them both on their market/team”

    Edit: Is Messier in town?

    Smart of them to hit Edmonton early. Edmonton has cap space and is in critical need of improvement, and therefore may be willing to pay more, especially for Demers. Helps set the bar for the rest of the teams they visit.

  178. Water Fire says:

    AsiaOil:
    Paliotta is interesting as Columbus was really high on him 9 months ago as part of the Saad trade.

    http://www.jacketscannon.com/2015/9/15/9327821/meet-the-new-blue-jacket-michael-paliotta

    Wonder what the hell went wrong as his raw numbers look fine for guy without any PP time.

    68GP8-15-23 29PIM +4

    Oilers have an advantage with any non-established RHD free agents as our cupboard is well and truly bare. A guy like Paliotta can look at our depth chart and see a huge opportunity for a career with us. There is literally no one ahead of him at this point. But question remains– why did they let him go? Columbus has been doing some strange stuff recently and maybe we can pull Savard out of there.

    Torts needs gritasticality. Paliotta probably wants play hockey instead.

  179. magneto says:

    Pouzar,

    If I recall it was 7m per but less if it was NYR. I think in negotiating it would be more than Yandle money for 6 years, probably close to 7m.

  180. Greenberg says:

    It’s all about defence, Neil Young and ain’t today.

    The past tense of ain’t is ain’ted.

    That was easy.

    TROLL ALERT!

  181. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Dominoiler: What is it about Burns that takes him out of the #1 grouping? Im my opinion, he was a force in the playoffs this year (didnt see him much in the reg season)..

    Historically he has been subpar on defending. He is a beast on offense, no doubt. Karlsson gets slack for being a 4th forward but he limits chances against more than Burns.

    It’s like Vlasic and Tanev are excellent shutdown guys but do not bring enough O to be #1s.

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