SEVEN YEAR ACHE

All spring, we talked about needs, possible assets out and adding help on defense. We had it surrounded (Taylor Hall was No. 4 on my assets list) but it was so very difficult to identify the actual assets out—probably because it depended on the ask. At the very beginning, we agreed PC would make his list, find out who was out there, and then check down to what he considered acceptable. As it turned out, that is exactly what happened, meaning we predicted it—and it still produced shock and argh.

This morning, I think we can safely say one thing: We are witnessing the increased value, in real time, of actual NHL right-handed defensemen.

Adam Larsson is a good young NHL RHD. There are good things in his resume, and he addresses a major need. I am looking forward to seeing him in an Oilers uniform this fall. Some positives from the Todd Cordell post from yesterday:

  • Of the four Devils’ blue liners to play more than 1,000 minutes at 5 v 5 last season none allowed fewer shot attempts against per 60 minutes than Larsson despite playing heavy defensive minutes against the league’s top players.
  • Larsson is actually a very underrated puck mover. For the most part his outlets are accurate and over the last two seasons he is tied with Hampus Lindholm, Sami Vatanen, Kris Letang, Aaron Ekblad and Matt Niskanen with .31 primary assists per 60 minutes of 5 v 5.
  • As mentioned his shot suppression numbers have been fantastic despite playing in a division where he goes up against Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Alex Ovechkin, Claude Giroux and co. more than any other players. He can handle tough competition, he can handle big minutes and his offensive game is probably better than he’s given credit for.

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THE CHIARELLI LIST

  1. Top-pairing RHD (Two-way skills—Adam Larsson)
  2. Second-pairing RHD (Offensive defenseman)
  3. Acquire RHC with some skill
  4. Backup goalie
  5. Added now and not No. 5—Find a replacement for Taylor Hall

I am pleased Chiarelli checked off the No. 1 need on the list, but of course the payment was shocking. Make no mistake, Adam Larsson is a good NHL defender who is young, under a good contract and likely to help beginning this fall. The list grew from four to five because of the Hall deal.

THE CHIARELLI EXTENDED PLAY LIST

  1. Add a “Pisani” who can mentor, score 15, and play a two-way role up and down the lineup.
  2. Re-stock the shelves via the draft (Puljujarvi and the entire draft)
  3. Improve overall team speed (Puljujarvi)
  4. Offload Lauri Korpikoski.
  5. Improve goaltending depth (added Nick Ellis, but not much in draft).
  6. Improve AHL quality (Caggiula, Russell, Ellis, but more is needed).
  7. Cull the LHD herd (have, in fact, added to the LHD group).

Two tasks have been addressed and that is progress. I imagine he will run through several in the next few days—although getting the second NHL blue seems a difficult task. We could see a Lauri Korpikoski buyout today, although it is far from a certainty. I wonder if the Oilers will consider Korpikoski as a potential mentor and guide for Jesse Puljujarvi this coming season (Iiro Pakarinen also available at the NHL level, Jere Sallinen and Eetu Laurikainen in Bakersfield).

THE ASSETS LIST

  1. Cap space*
  2. Nail Yakupov
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  4. Taylor Hall
  5. Jordan Eberle
  6. Benoit Pouliot
  7. Mark Fayne
  8. Griffin Reinhart
  9. 2017 1st round selection

In the end, I had him at No. 4, but in truth the $6 million dollar men were apparently all in play—and could still be in play, depending on how aggressive PC plans to get this summer. Trading Hall means unicorn talk will have to wait, depending on how quickly Jesse Puljujarvi can establish himself, the healthy of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and the addition of Milan Lucic in free agency.

cagguila

Drake Caggiula may play in the NHL at some point in 2016-17

OILERS CURRENT ROSTER

OILERS ROSTER WITH LARSSENOne suspects the Larsson acquisition is the big play of summer, along with Milan Lucic being signed tomorrow. After that, grab an inexpensive defensive option, a backup goalie and hit cottage country by American Independence Day. That second defensive option could prove important, hope the team chooses well. Would they consider another trade? I assume Jason Demers is not part of Edmonton’s future, based on the Larsson trade. Do you agree?

  • Jason Gregor: Darren Dreger mentioned on radio Lucic might be getting a seven-year deal from the Oilers. Yikes. If you thought people were angry today, wait until Friday if a seven year deal is announced. Source

I cannot believe the Oilers would have traded Hall without knowing Lucic was a lock to make the team. Perhaps I have misread the situation. If Lucic does not arrive tomorrow, we will be having a long conversation about the offense this winter.

CURRENT 50-MAN (42)

42-MAN LIST

WAITING

  1. R Jesse Puljujarvi, this should happen in the coming days. 2016 draft
  2. D Ethan Bear. Also Bob, looks imminent. 2015 draft
  3. R Adam Cracknell, I could see him signing back mid-July. UFA.
  4. D Adam Pardy. At least worth a conversation. UFA.
  5. D Eric Gryba, without a Fayne trade, return seems unlikely. UFA.
  6. D Nikita Nikitin, rumored to be signing with Omsk. UFA
  7. D Brad Hunt, he is such a good AHL player. UFA.
  8. L Josh Winquist, interesting to see where he lands. UFA.
  9. C Marco Roy. AHL contract seems likely. UFA.
  10. R Andrew Miller. The loan trade likely signaled his exit. UFA.

USE YOUR BRAIN FOR MORE THAN A HAT RACK

I think we can all agree that Peter Chiarelli overpaid for Adam Larsson. That said, I hope we can move past the trade and talk about Larsson and his considerable skills. You may feel that is unkind, but for me spending more time discussing the trade means we are dwelling on things we cannot control—and basically wallowing in our own misery. In my life, I have learned it is not productive to spend a lot of time in that place. You may feel it harsh, but that will be the mindset of this blog moving forward. It is sad. It is done. We move on.

LOWETIDE RANKING 2011 DRAFT

  • No. 3 overall—Adam Larsson. I’ve been back and forth with Larsson all year, but believe this is the best place to slot him. The evidence is overwhelming now, he played against men in the SEL, played well and did it against good hockey players at the most important times in his club’s season. An outstanding NHL prospect. Source

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy, fun show today, TSN1260 at 10 this morning. Scheduled to appear:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Darcy’s look at RHD this spring showed Larsson as a bona fide option—a very good one, in truth. We will discuss Larsson and the trade.
  • Andy Wigston, The Brick Invitational. The most amazing tournament with the most incredible history is on again July 4-10. We will talk about it with Andy, and you can catch information here.
  • Todd Cordell, Hockeybuzz. Todd helped us through tough moments yesterday with his verbal, and we will touch base this morning live in regard to Adam Larsson
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. What a crazy 30 minutes yesterday. Frank will put everything in perspective.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. npanciroli says:

    RNH for Barrie is okay if you have a 2/3 center FA to sign. RNH for Dumba + Coyle also works.

  2. JDï™ says:

    Professor Q: “Edmonton is good hockey.”

    “Jesse, I’d like to introduce you to your new team mate.”

  3. Picturesque says:

    In the new Elliotte Friedman 30 Thoughts – he mentions some NHL execs are talking about Lucic signing for 7x6mil ….this offer is a pretty good reason why Chia traded Hall before July 1. Who else is throwing that money at Lucic?

  4. Ducey says:

    npanciroli:
    RNH for Barrie is okay if you have a 2/3 center FA to sign. RNH for Dumba + Coyle also works.

    Why does MIN add in Coyle who can play C, is bigger, cheaper, and outscored the Nuge last year?

  5. uni says:

    Wolfpack,

    Jeff Petry says hi.

    Stranger things have happened haha.

  6. Pouzar says:

    Chris Nichols (@NicholsOnHockey) | Twitter

    https://twitter.com/NicholsOnHockey

    4 mins ago – View on Twitter

    McKenzie: I heard a rumor, and I stress very, very much it’s a rumor, maybe Lucic # is more than $6M per. Maybe $6.5M X 7 years. #Oilers

    7 mins ago – View on Twitter

    McKenzie: Even though #Avs said they’re not interested in trading Barrie, I still think #Oilers have eyes for Tyson Barrie.

    7 mins ago – View on Twitter

    McKenzie on #Oilers’ changes: “I don’t think they’re finished by any stretch.”

    9 mins ago – View on Twitter

    McKenzie: Let’s let it play out. Let’s give Larsson a chance to do his thing. Let’s see what else #Oilers do to supplement all of this

  7. Connoreah says:

    Long time reader, first time poster. LT, thanks for everything you do and for giving guys like me something to look forward to 2x daily. Much appreciated!

    I decided to finally post my thoughts here because I’m concerned Oilers fans are going down a deep, dark hole that leads nowhere but further despair. When the Hall-Larsson deal broke, I went into shock momentarily but have since come to the following conclusions:

    – We lost the battle yesterday, but have taken a step towards winning the war. I truly believe this.
    – The 3 Steve Austin model could not succeed in the modern NHL. The proof is in the bottom 5 finishes for the past 6 years. Balance is absolutely critical. We had none. A fundamental change was needed.
    – In a year, having Larsson (a RHD who can play big minutes and match up to top lines and is locked up long-term at a very friendly cap-hit) may look a lot better. The market for RHD is ridiculous, and I suspect this won’t be the last crazy trade we see for RHD going forward. Chia may have gotten ahead of the storm.

    Most importantly, what I realized yesterday is that I would rather have a roster made up of players I don’t particularly love (with the exception of 97) that competes for a playoff spot, then one that has 4-5 players I’m attached to that can’t get us out of the basement.

    So to my fellow Oiler fans, I ask you this: If we are competing for a playoff spot in spring 2017, does it matter what the names are on the backs of the copper and blue jerseys? For me, it does not. I am an Oilers fan first and foremost, and the team’s success is paramount to me. I have faith that the roster Chia is building will win the war in the next few seasons.

    Thanks.

  8. theres oil in virginia says:

    Radiusofnerdature:
    Missed Woodguy this morning on 1260,what was his take on the trade?

    https://soundcloud.com/lowdownwithlowetide

    Listening now. Stupid work, making me work.

  9. Dicky94 says:

    Pouzar,

    If Lucic gets that kind of money and term, Oiler fans will forget all about the Hall trade. Chia will cause a riot in Edmonton.

  10. Woogie63 says:

    In two years our defence could be a driver (NHL games projected)

    Nurse (200 gms) – Larsson (430)
    Reinhart (180) – Klefbom (250)
    Sekera (730) – Demers (600)
    Davidson (200)

  11. Younger Oil says:

    If we trade Nuge for Barrie, just think of it is starting the rebuild right.

    Building from the back end wins championships.

    Even if we trade Nuge, assuming we sign Lucic, we have an above average top 6 forward group.

    And with Larsson and Barrie the D might be above average too.

  12. Professor Q says:

    theres oil in virginia: https://soundcloud.com/lowdownwithlowetide

    Listening now.Stupid work, making me work.

    Listening live now on TuneIn…

  13. Connoreah says:

    Chris,

    Chris, I understand your frustration, but I’m somewhat puzzled by the conclusion you’ve reached. Since drafting the Steve Austin’s, Oiler management has tried each year to build a balanced team WITHOUT moving one of them. The results have been embarrassingly bad.

    So after 6 years, we finally take a different approach and your conclusion – before all of the moves have been made and a single game played – is that the next season is a disaster. Isn’t it possible that a roster with balance, but less “talent”, actually makes us competitive? Isn’t that the ultimate goal?

  14. Pouzar says:

    Chris Nichols (@NicholsOnHockey) | Twitter

    https://twitter.com/NicholsOnHockey

    3 mins ago – View on Twitter

    Seravalli just said on 1260 that Gabriel Landeskog is going to make his debut on the TSN Trade Bait board. To be posted within hours. #Avs

  15. Professor Q says:

    Maybe Dumba and Parise for Nuge+?

    With the signing of Lucic and trade for Larsson, it would be like Edmonton doing redrafts of years gone by…

  16. Ribs says:

    Jason Gregor: Darren Dreger mentioned on radio Lucic might be getting a seven-year deal from the Oilers. Yikes. If you thought people were angry today, wait until Friday if a seven year deal is announced. Source

    Is seven years really that big of a deal? I certainly won’t get too hot and bothered about it.

  17. Professor Q says:

    Ribs: Is seven years really that big of a deal? I certainly won’t get too hot and bothered about it.

    At $6.5 million it is. However, I doubt it would get that high. Maybe $5.5?

  18. Professor Q says:

    Has anyone linked back to this yet? Gnarly…

    http://lowetide.ca/2011/06/05/draft-profile-adam-larsson/

  19. JDï™ says:

    File under ‘no shit’:

    Julie Stewart-Binks Verified account
    ‏@JSB_FOX

    Heard Bob Murray was working to change Kevin Bieksa’s no-move clause. Currently him, Vatanen & Lindholm are 3 d-men protected July 1 #Ducks

  20. Chachi says:

    JDï™:
    File under ‘no shit’:


    Julie Stewart-Binks Verified account
    ‏@JSB_FOX

    Heard Bob Murray was working to change Kevin Bieksa’s no-move clause. Currently him, Vatanen & Lindholm are 3 d-men protected July 1 #Ducks

    Hahahah. And what does Bieksa get in exchange for waiving it?

  21. JDï™ says:

    Chachi,

    Life on the Vegas strip?

  22. theres oil in virginia says:

    Professor Q: Listening live now on TuneIn…

    Yeah, hour 1 (with Woodguy) is available on soundcloud.

  23. Professor Q says:

    theres oil in virginia: Yeah, hour 1 (with Woodguy) is available on soundcloud.

    I can’t do both at the same time!

  24. The Trade Guy says:

    WG on LT’s show was really good.

  25. Radiusofnerdature says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    Thanks, I appreciate the link.

  26. theres oil in virginia says:

    Professor Q: I can’t do both at the same time!

    ???? You have two ears!

  27. classict says:

    Connoreah,

    If they were actually making an attempt at building a balanced team they never would have given up Petry for magic beans. We’ve seen multiple Dmen so badly misused over the last 8 years that it got to a point where they thought they had to get fleeced in a trade to make any sort of progress.

    The only reason we had to take a different approach is because of managements incredible incompetence over the past few years.

  28. Pouzar says:

    James Mirtle (@mirtle) | Twitter

    https://twitter.com/mirtle

    4 mins ago – View on Twitter

    Sounds like Colorado has something big brewing.

  29. Professor Q says:

    classict:
    Connoreah,

    If they were actually making an attempt at building a balanced team they never would have given up Petry for magic beans. We’ve seen multiple Dmen so badly misused over the last 8 years that it got to a point where they thought they had to get fleeced in a trade to make any sort of progress.

    The only reason we had to take a different approach is because of managements incredible incompetence over the past few years.

    I forgive the Petry trade with ignorance solely due to McDavid…

  30. russ99 says:

    Korpikoski on waivers, buyout is happening.

  31. HugThePost says:

    classict:
    Connoreah,

    If they were actually making an attempt at building a balanced team they never would have given up Petry for magic beans. We’ve seen multiple Dmen so badly misused over the last 8 years that it got to a point where they thought they had to get fleeced in a trade to make any sort of progress.

    The only reason we had to take a different approach is because of managements incredible incompetence over the past few years.

    Chia was brought in to not f-up the McDavid Oilers. A large part of that was to correct some of the colossal screw-ups of the previous management. I’ve come around to accepting what LT has been saying for a long time: ‘there will be blood’.

    We finally have a GM who seems like he has the fortitude to make moves to improve the team and he seems willing to put his job on the line for it.

  32. Professor Q says:

    Pouzar:
    James Mirtle (@mirtle) | Twitter

    https://twitter.com/mirtle

    4 mins ago – View on Twitter

    Sounds like Colorado has something big brewing.

    I really don’t know what to think of Mirtle sometimes. Maybe it was when he lost his glasses…

    https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/748475726874087424

    “Sounds like the Oilers pursued a lot of young defencemen in a Taylor Hall deal. Ristolainen was apparently one. Answer was no.”

  33. Bag of Pucks says:

    Very strange day yesterday.

    Had a fine day wandering the EMP in Seattle followed by an absolutely idyllic evening in Safeco watching the Ms get trounced by the Bucs. Return to the hotel to find out the Oilers have never really gotten over their predilection for discarding Kings for Jacks. Talk about highs then lows.

    Trading your best outscoring vet for a player you passed on in the draft. If this is the inevitable result of BPA draft philosophy, the philosophy may need a re-think. Especially galling for those of us advocating drafting Larsson that year over the frail PP point man.

    Hall says the trade is an indictment of him as a player. No Taylor. This organization didn’t deserve you. You bled Oiler blue for 6 years of misery and they traded you to the swamps of Jersey. Class.

    Seriously, fuck this team.

  34. Oilspill says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Very strange day yesterday.

    Had a fine day wandering the EMP in Seattle followed by an absolutely idyllic evening in Safeco watching the Ms get trounced by the Bucs. Return to the hotel to find out the Oilers have never really gotten over their predilection for discarding Kings for Jacks. Talk about highs then lows.

    Trading your best outscoring vet for a player you passed on in the draft. If this is the inevitable result of BPA draft philosophy, the philosophy may need a re-think. Especially galling for those of us advocating drafting Larsson that year over the frail PP point man.

    Hall says the trade is an indictment of him as a player. No Taylor. This organization didn’t deserve you. You bled Oiler blue for 6 years of misery and they traded you to the swamps of Jersey. Class.

    Seriously, fuck this team.

    Emotions don’t make the team better. The Devils got the better player. Sometimes happens that way. Larsson was stuck in a shitty defensive system. Could totally light it up here. Fucked up fans need to move on and hope for the best.

  35. judgedrude says:

    Just thinking….Will opening night at Roger’s now include lifting Lowe’s #4 to the rafters?

  36. HugThePost says:

    judgedrude:
    Just thinking….Will opening night at Roger’s now include lifting Lowe’s #4 to the rafters?

    That is agenda item #1 at the monthly BOTB meeting at Katz’s house.

  37. Tire Fire says:

    Oh, shit. Kings bought out Greene, eh?

    https://twitter.com/generalfanager/status/748548941092913152

  38. flygoalie says:

    What’s the deal with Ethan Bear? Seems to be a lengthy delay in signing what could be our offensive RHD in 2 to 3 years.

  39. JDï™ says:

    Pouzar: Sounds like Colorado has something big brewing

    Coors Banquet?

  40. JDï™ says:

    Heather Marginet
    ‏@margih99

    Sounds like Trouba possibly to Colorado and Barrie to Oilers. As per Stauffer.

  41. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Oilspill: Larsson was stuck in a shitty defensive system

    Question for the group:

    Does NJ really play a shitty defensive system?
    Or are we just projecting what their 90’s trap happy team was onto the latest version?

  42. AsiaOil says:

    FYI – just listened to Shero talking about the trade this AM. He flat out said unless the return was Hall he’s not trading Larsson – period. Button then asked him about his own defense now that he doesn’t have a 1RD. Shero chuckled, said “thanks for the softball”, and said yeah that’s obviously an issue and we all know what the price is the get one. Shero is now in Chiarelli’s shoes with fewer assets up front to fix the hole. People are saying we over-paid – no – we don’t like like we paid is more accurate. Good RD are gold except if you are MacT and trade them for peanuts.

  43. judgedrude says:

    JDï™:


    Heather Marginet
    ‏@margih99

    Sounds like Trouba possibly to Colorado and Barrie to Oilers.As per Stauffer.

    But Stauffer was way off on the last item…He said it was Hall for Larsson + !

  44. AsiaOil says:

    JDï™:


    Heather Marginet
    ‏@margih99

    Sounds like Trouba possibly to Colorado and Barrie to Oilers.As per Stauffer.

    …..and Nurse to WPG makes total sense.

  45. uni says:

    Pouzar:
    James Mirtle (@mirtle) | Twitter

    https://twitter.com/mirtle

    4 mins ago – View on Twitter

    Sounds like Colorado has something big brewing.

    I know it’s going to be Stranglehold for Barrie or something like that =(.

    If Chiapet pulls off Hopkins for Landeskog though…it goes a long way to wiping the Hall trade clean.

    Hmm, looking at Landeskog now I’m not all that enamoured of a Hopkins trade for him…oh well, we wait for the other shoes to drop.

  46. Connoreah says:

    classict:
    Connoreah,

    If they were actually making an attempt at building a balanced team they never would have given up Petry for magic beans. We’ve seen multiple Dmen so badly misused over the last 8 years that it got to a point where they thought they had to get fleeced in a trade to make any sort of progress.

    The only reason we had to take a different approach is because of managements incredible incompetence over the past few years.

    I don’t disagree with your point at all. But it doesn’t address the hatred and disappointment being expressed here for what Chia did yesterday. If we agree (and it looks like we do) that a drastic move was needed (due to the previous management’s incompetence), and that the move does in fact plug a gaping hole in our roster which may be part of a solution, then I think we need to view this as a painful step in the right direction.

  47. Clarkenstein says:

    judgedrude:
    Just thinking….Will opening night at Roger’s now include lifting Lowe’s #4 to the rafters?

    I got a better idea. How about hang Lowe himself in the rafters!! His clusterfucking around is still costing this team and will continue to do so for a few years yet.

  48. Visually better says:

    AsiaOil,

    What did u expect Shero to say on an Oilers radio show?

    ” haha yeah, u oilers guys are pretty fkin dumb eh? Ya we lost a Rd but got Taylor Hall.. it’ll balance itself out when we sign Demers”

  49. Ducey says:

    JDï™:


    Heather Marginet
    ‏@margih99

    Sounds like Trouba possibly to Colorado and Barrie to Oilers.As per Stauffer.

    I was thinking Staffer might drop us a few bread crumbs today. That’s a whole loaf.

  50. JDï™ says:

    http://player.630ched.com/#/

    Spec is not there today with Staffer, so much more palatable. Shero is slated for an interview at 1 pm, I think he just said.

  51. Zack says:

    https://twitter.com/classlicity/status/748581394268360704

    @Classlicity

    Both Landeskog & E.Kane in rumors today, both wingers…

    Acquiring Landeskog would definitely soften yesterday’s trade.

  52. AsiaOil says:

    Visually better:
    AsiaOil,

    What did u expect Shero to say on an Oilers radio show?

    ” haha yeah, u oilers guys are pretty fkin dumb eh? Ya we lost a Rd but got Taylor Hall.. it’ll balance itself out when we sign Demers”

    Wasn’t an Oilers radio show and Demers is not a 1RD.

    http://www.tsn.ca/video/shero-breaks-down-hall-for-larsson%7E902367

  53. uni says:

    AsiaOil,

    I was all for loading up on second pairing D and doing a defence by committee.

  54. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Love to see Hopkins and Fayne or Yak for Soderberg and Barrie.

  55. Professor Q says:

    AsiaOil: …..and Nurse to WPG makes total sense.

    Nurse and Byf?! Yikes.

  56. Professor Q says:

    Zack:
    https://twitter.com/classlicity/status/748581394268360704

    @Classlicity

    Both Landeskog & E.Kane in rumors today, both wingers…

    Acquiring Landeskog would definitely soften yesterday’s trade.

    Landeskog, Lucic, Barrie, and Nielsen?

  57. AsiaOil says:

    Professor Q: Nurse and Byf?! Yikes.

    WPG needs a young LHD and Nurse being expansion draft exempt pretty much fits the bill. But yeah – if they got Nurse – playing WPG will not be much fun.

  58. Younger Oil says:

    Toronto and NYR also going after Barrie apparently.

  59. Ducey says:

    Whoa. Krug 4 x $5.25.

    What is that 3 RFA years?

    For a 5’9″ LHD who feasts on the PP?

    Not liking that if I am a Bruins’ fan.

    Imagine if he could learn to shoot right?

  60. AsiaOil says:

    uni,

    An option – but what’s done is done – and we are now in a position of strength with extra LHD.

  61. Hall of Shame says:

    James MirtleVerified account
    ‏@mirtle
    Story: Yesterday was further proof why Canada’s NHL teams are bad
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/canadas-nhl-teams-lack-vision/article30701562/

    The trades Edmonton and Montreal made on Wednesday are not defensible ones. They could set those franchises back for years because in both cases they subtracted one of the best assets they had on the roster for an inferior replacement…

    Why this is happening isn’t complicated, either. It’s not the pressure of the market, the media, the league conspiring against them or the fact that players don’t want to play here. (Hall and Subban certainly did.)

    The Canadian NHL teams have been, by and large, horribly mismanaged. They are, generally speaking, not progressive organizations, not adept at change and not finding ways to outmanoeuvre their competition.

  62. JDï™ says:

    Just listened to three callers on Oilers Now. I’m never getting those brain cells back.

    http://allthingsd.com/files/2011/11/double_facepalm.png

  63. Halfwise says:

    Hall of Shame: The Canadian NHL teams have been, by and large, horribly mismanaged. They are, generally speaking, not progressive organizations, not adept at change and not finding ways to outmanoeuvre their competition.

    As a fan since WHA days, this makes me think of Woody Allen’s quote:

    “More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.”

  64. Truth says:

    Ducey:
    Whoa. Krug 4 x $5.25.

    What is that 3 RFA years?

    For a 5’9″ LHD who feasts on the PP?

    Not liking that if I am a Bruins’ fan.

    Imagine if he could learn to shoot right?

    I’d make a crack at Sweeney like I have in the past., but I’ve quickly learned the meaning of the saying “those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.”

  65. Wolfpack says:

    Instead of signing Lucic…

    Landeskog + Barrie for RNH + Nurse + something nice.

    🙂

  66. Pouzar says:

    JDï™:
    Just listened to three callers on Oilers Now. I’m never getting those brain cells back.

    http://allthingsd.com/files/2011/11/double_facepalm.png

    Why didn’t you geeks tell me Larsson was soft?

  67. stevezie says:

    Pouzar: McKenzie: Let’s let it play out. Let’s give Larsson a chance to do his thing. Let’s see what else #Oilers do to supplement all of this

    The team could yet be okay. The trade will always be a loss.

    The Oilers cannot afford to lose trades, let alone a Hall trade.

  68. rickithebear says:

    For def pasrt of the game there are 2 areas.

    LOw chance Area.
    combines the low chance shot and slightly more than half the med chance shot area.
    the save % for these areas is .9950 to .915
    it averages 18.5 shots with the range largely 17-20 shots.

    Then there is the HSCA which is on average 10.5 Shots with a range of 7.5 to 13.5
    from the separation point in the medium shot area to net.
    The save % from shots in this area is .915 to .8000

    you see the large variation in the hSCA.

    but the best being 17 LSCA and 7.5 HSCA = 24.5 shots
    the worst being 20 LSCA and 13.5 HSCA = 33.5 shots

    Adam Larsen is 25.5 SA/60 and 7.80 HSCA/60

    so 17.7 .9950 to .915 Save5 shots a
    and
    7.8 .915 to .8000 shots.
    With one of the 5 best HSCA save5 golaies he end sup being the #1 GA D 1.52/60
    Since Talbot is #5 HSC A save% goalie that should still be transalteable.

    Barrie is 32.0 SA/60
    13.25 .915 to .8000 shots
    18.75 .9950 to .915 shots.
    2.41 GA/60

  69. Truth says:

    Can’t see Chiarelli trading Nurse for Barrie. IMO, Chiarelli wants a culture in Edmonton built around players like Nurse, hence the reported $6M + x 7 year (shudder) deal for Lucic.

    I could see Chiarelli doing something like Reinhart and Nuge packaged together for Barrie.

    But after yesterday what I think and what is reality are two very different things, apparently.

  70. rickithebear says:

    As soon as I here the trite term lacks vision. I know the person speaking has no f…….. clue about the brain or process required to get it done.

  71. uni says:

    rickithebear:
    As soon as I here the trite term lacks vision. I know the person speaking has no f…….. clue about the brain or process required to get it done.

    Peter Chiarelli and the Oilers organization lacks vision.

  72. khildahl says:

    uni: Peter Chiarelli and the Oilers organization lacks vision.

    Well, Chiarelli DOES wear glasses.

  73. uni says:

    khildahl: Well, Chiarelli DOES wear glasses.

    Yet I failed to see that response coming.

  74. JDï™ says:

    Looks like someone just told Weber about the Quebec tax rates…

    http://imgur.com/zpu9hPI

  75. Obiwan Eberle says:

    rickithebear,

    I’m not sure if enough people truly appreciate the work you do here, gold pure gold.

    Any chance you have an open repository on Github or the like?

  76. Doug McLachlan says:

    Won’t lie.

    A little gun-shy after yesterday but why isn’t this site refreshing quicker?

    It’s starting to storm again downtown so I assume the Oilers just dealt another Austin.

  77. blainer says:

    Time for me to chime in.

    OK I have said.. do NOT trade Taylor Hall. Oh well I guess they weren’t listening. Stauffer did give us the heads up that Hall or Nuge were gonna get moved. So there is that.

    Now On to Larsson.. everybody including me take a deep breathe and think about this.

    We just replaced Jultz with Larsson. Feel better… I do..

    If we get Lucic we basically swapped out Hall for Lucic and Larsson. That works for me so I will wait til tomorrow. We aren’t gonna like Lucic’s contract but I want to win Now.. I will worry about the contract in four years time after at least two cups.

    Oh and JP.. just did not see that coming .. he could end up being the best player from this draft and may be our Malkin for CMD.

  78. JDï™ says:

    Pouzar,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACp_xU4ZxWs

    He doesn’t win, but he gets a solid E for effort! And maybe a T for taking one.

  79. Pajamah says:

    khildahl: Well, Chiarelli DOES wear glasses.

    Wears Glasses is MacT’s moniker

  80. Revolved says:

    First, thanks for the cred on the Puljujarvi stats the other day, LT. The best part about this place is how it draws together so much information on the players we love. I am very happy when I can contribute anything of interest.

    Second, holy shit… I had begun to think Chia would just be patient. It is the most painful because Hall went through all of these years of crap with us and we watched him grow up through it. Chia did not have a stake in any of that, but based on his presser, he is aware of our allegiances.

    Finally, as has been said above, this is a results of rebuilding from the outside in. Wingers, even Hall wingers, do not dictate the flow of play and we have wasted years of pain learning this. I think Chia is a good evaluator of defensemen and will eagerly wait to see our young top pair of Swedes. I also think Chia has learned the limitations of cap space, though he may prove me very wrong in short order…

    If anyone is taking a poll, mark me down for having faith

  81. 10W30 says:

    Anyone know what Barries contract demands are? Is it Petry money or Yandle Money?

  82. Frank the dog says:

    By what standard did we overpay for Larsson? Apparently the best deal that a shrewd negotiator like Chia can swing for a high end RHD is an elite LW.
    Did you see Montreal’s ask for an elite RHD? Holy mackerel. Now THAT would have been an overpay, which Chia wisely walked away from.
    I’ve seen a lot of folks call Chia stupid. An assumption made by people who are not aware that they are not aware of the facts.
    Chia is under no illusion that if he doesn’t field a team fit for the orgasmic opening of the new arena, his @$$ is likely gr@$$.
    Chia’s demeanor certainly fits him being given the hard choice of Hall for Larsson or no trade. Wouldn’t surprise me if he knew he had landed Lucic but not Demers. If he’s landed Demers as well, then my hat off to that man, he can keep the blue b@!!$ on his 959.
    I’d of course rather not lose Nuge. But if Nuge has CMD and Drai in front of him, can we afford a $6m 3C? Nuge is a solid $1C, and a very good 2C. Wasted money and talent @3C when he has sawn off the toughest opposition for years.

  83. Mike says:

    I wonder what kind of defenseman would shake loose if PC had used his Reinhardt package and Marincin?

    Hall, Marincin, first 16 (barzel) and 33

    Just heartbreaking, I wonder if PC makes another trade to try and calm the waters.

  84. khildahl says:

    Pajamah: Wears Glasses is MacT’s moniker

    Mine will be Empties Glasses after the weekend.

  85. Sugar Reijo says:

    BSNAvalanche ‏@BSNAvalanche 22m22 minutes ago
    Barrie has been connected with EDM all summer. Word has it, the Avs wanted Hall or Draisatl, EDM wants to part with RNH. That’s stuck.

    I’ve read Nuge for Barrie, then one of Landeskog or Duchene for defensive replacement, possibly Trouba.

    Eeen-teresting.

  86. rickithebear says:

    Last 3 years;

    Lucic LW 6’3″ 233 242/246 98.4% gm played
    avg 21G 32A 53P +23

    F. Nielson 239/246 97.2% gm played
    avg 20G 31A 51p -1

    Landeskog LW 6’1″ 210 5.73M 238/246 96.7% gm played
    avg 23G 36A 59P +5

    Eberle RW 6M 230/246 93.5 gm played
    avg 26G 32A 58P -13 even not injured or Eakins.

    Hudler RW UFA 225/246 91.5% m played
    avg 21G 38A 59P +7

    RNH C 6M 211/246 85.7 gm played
    avg 18G 30A 48P -11

    Hall LW 6M 210/246 85.4% gm played
    avg 22G 39A 61P

    Maroon LW 1.5M 205/246 83.3% gm played
    11G 18A 29P E

    Yakupov RW 2.5M 204/246 82.9% gm played
    avg 11G 16A 27P -28

    Pouliot LW 4m 193/246 78.5% gm played
    avg 16G 19A 35P +1

  87. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Chachi:
    “Trading Hall means unicorn talk will have to wait, depending on how quickly Jesse Puljujarvi can establish himself, the healthy of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and the addition of Milan Lucic in free agency.”

    This year, I think we can all agree there is no way the Oilers will be able to depend on Jesse Puljujarvi for much this year and that is the way it should be. As much as I think Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is a great player counting on him to play anything close to a full season is overly optimistic. Same with Pouliot and Eberle. I cannot imagine Chiarelli would make this deal without having Lucic in the bag, but God help him if Lucic signs elsewhere and the Oilers can’t find a half decent left winger to come in.

    Now that the Oilers are guaranteed to be at best a two line team I wonder about the wisdom of having your two top centres, both coming off of seasons where they missed significant time, playing for a gimmick team in a tournament that means nothing this September.Seems like a bad idea to me.

    Oilers top THREE centres are all playing for one or the other of the gimmick teams.

  88. classict says:

    Revolved,

    In what world does Hall not dictate the flow of play? Before McDavid he was pretty much the only person on this team that truly did…

  89. Ducey says:

    Mike:
    I wonder what kind of defenseman would shake loose if PC had used his Reinhardt package and Marincin?

    Hall, Marincin, first 16 (barzel) and 33

    Just heartbreaking, I wonder if PC makes another trade to try and calm the waters.

    Whoa. Hall and Marincin? In the same package? That’s crazy talk. Even Ovenchicken isn’t worth that.

  90. Chachi says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Oilers top THREE centres are all playing for one or the other of the gimmick teams.

    Shakes head while praying to the hockey gords that nothing stupid happens in those games.

  91. Lucinius says:

    So, this talk of Barrie for RNH.. is that a good deal? I honestly don’t know Barrie well enough to judge, but I’m very loathe to see RNH get traded. Moreso than Hall; a center that is defensively capable and can play 1C seems a high price to pay for anything shy of a slam dunk top pairing d-man, even if his production is a bit lower than ideal.

    I’d rather see Eberle go, honestly. I know, a scoring top flight winger is valuable (and we just traded one…), but center is just far more important and I’m loathe to see RNH traded while Draisatl and McDavid are so young and inexperienced.

  92. JDï™ says:

    Chachi,

    With McLellan, Woodcroft and Chiarelli busy with the world cup, I wonder who’s going to run training camp? Wearsglasses and Lowe of the Rings?

    There will be a lot of new faces to integrate into the roster, and absolutely no appetite from the fans for another slow start.

  93. Revolved says:

    Just to address a concern about The Andy Greene Effect:
    5v5 EV game state last two years – TOI – GF% – CF%

    Together – 1943 – 53.5 – 45.5
    Larsson apart – 580 – 51.4 – 47.0
    Greene apart – 973 – 47.5 – 46.9

  94. Chachi says:

    JDï™:
    Chachi,

    With McLellan, Woodcroft and Chiarelli busy with the world cup, I wonder who’s going to run training camp? Wearsglasses and Lowe of the Rings?

    There will be a lot of new faces to integrate into the roster, and absolutely no appetite from the fans for another slow start.

    Good point; everything seems to be adding up to a tough start for the Oilers.

  95. Revolved says:

    classict,

    Hall can definitely carry the puck from net to net a few times per game, but he plays less and is much less likely to gain possession in the first place than a defender or centre. In no way am I demeaning Chance, but not getting scored on is priority one.

  96. Dicky94 says:

    Lucinius,

    Throw in Sekera for Landeskog then sign Demers.

  97. JimmyV1965 says:

    Connoreah:
    Long time reader, first time poster.LT, thanks for everything you do and for giving guys like me something to look forward to 2x daily.Much appreciated!

    I decided to finally post my thoughts here because I’m concerned Oilers fans are going down a deep, dark hole that leads nowhere but further despair.When the Hall-Larsson deal broke, I went into shock momentarily but have since come to the following conclusions:

    –We lost the battle yesterday, but have taken a step towards winning the war.I truly believe this.
    –The 3 Steve Austin model could not succeed in the modern NHL.The proof is in the bottom 5 finishes for the past 6 years.Balance is absolutely critical.We had none.A fundamental change was needed.
    –In a year, having Larsson (a RHD who can play big minutes and match up to top lines and is locked up long-term at a very friendly cap-hit) may look a lot better.The market for RHD is ridiculous, and I suspect this won’t be the last crazy trade we see for RHD going forward.Chia may have gotten ahead of the storm.

    Most importantly, what I realized yesterday is that I would rather have a roster made up of players I don’t particularly love (with the exception of 97) that competes for a playoff spot, then one that has 4-5 players I’m attached to that can’t get us out of the basement.

    So to my fellow Oiler fans, I ask you this:If we are competing for a playoff spot in spring 2017, does it matter what the names are on the backs of the copper and blue jerseys?For me, it does not.I am an Oilers fan first and foremost, and the team’s success is paramount to me.I have faith that the roster Chia is building will win the war in the next few seasons.

    Thanks.

    Look. It was a bad trade period. If we make the playoffs it could be in spite of the trade. Our players are a year older, they’re healthy. Lots of teams have traded for dmen and not paid such a ridiculous price. Look what the Flames paid for Hamilton. What the Jackets lpaid for Jones. This deal was ungodly bad and does not give me confidence in mngt going forward.

  98. LadiesloveSmid says:

    If RNH goes for Barrie, you better be signing Nielsen. And you’re banking on Draisaitl turning into an elite centre. My gut tells me they sign Backes in that case and he declines hard. Elite forward depth dwindling, above average defence growing. Just a wait and see I guess.

    LT sounds like the father he is on the show. It happened and the pain is real, but you gotta move on. This trade will hurt for a long time but Larsson is a welcome addition. Adequate defence will be amazing too.

  99. JimmyV1965 says:

    JimmyV1965:

    Look. It was a bad trade period. If we make the playoffs it could be in spite of the trade. Our players are a year older, they’re healthy. Lots of teams have traded for dmen and not paid such a ridiculous price. Look what the Flames paid for Hamilton. What the Jackets lpaid for Jones. This deal was ungodly bad and does not give me confidence in mngt going forward.

  100. Revolved says:

    Just to keep on spamming: if I do the same wowy as above, but look at zone start adjusted numbers when the score is close I get:

    State – TOI – GF% – CF%
    Together – 1094 – 49.0 – 46.9
    Larsson apart – 334 – 62.5! – 49.1
    Greene apart – 534 – 51.4 – 47.2

  101. T0ML says:

    JimmyV1965,

    I’d argue that the price for Jones was just as heafty. ryan johansen is a top line right handed center, arguably almost as rare as a #1 RHD …. which Jones is not ….. is Johansen worth more than Hall, no, but I’d say their value is damn near the same league wide….and I rate Larsson above Jones FWIW at this point.

  102. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    JimmyV1965: What the Jackets lpaid for Jones.

    I’m not sure but I could argue the perceived value of Johanson was higher than Hall. Big first line center vs. elite scoring winger. I’m also not sure Seth Jones is better than Adam Larsson. I do know he’s 25% more expensive and has far less experience in a top pairing role.

  103. JDï™ says:

    JimmyV1965: Look what the Flames paid for Hamilton. What the Jackets lpaid for Jones.

    SweeNeely were not going to do business with Chia, and he was in on the Jones trade by they didn’t want RNH (they were after a center, remember).

    The market now is the market, and left wingers are not the currency de jour. RHD are.

  104. Connoreah says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Respectfully, I feel like that’s been the thinking for each of the past 5 years in the offseason. We don’t need to shake up the roster, if we just stay healthy and our young guys are a year older, we could be good. But we never are. If you think the fallout for this move is big, imagine if Chiarelli did what we always do – held on to the Austins because we couldn’t fetch “fair value” only to finish in the bottom 3 again. To me, that would be much, much more disappointing. I’m done with the dream of a cup with the Austins. I want to win and I want to win now.

    I don’t disagree that the trade was a loss when judged man for man, but I do think it signals a shift in our team DNA. And that is a very, very good thing. Maybe having the right mix of players and skills > having the best players, period?

  105. Bruce McCurdy says:

    The Trade Guy:
    WG on LT’s show was really good.

    WG on LT’s show is always good.

  106. thepeetso says:

    JimmyV1965: Look. It was a bad trade period. If we make the playoffs it could be in spite of the trade. Our players are a year older, they’re healthy. Lots of teams have traded for dmen and not paid such a ridiculous price. Look what the Flames paid for Hamilton. What the Jackets lpaid for Jones. This deal was ungodly bad and does not give me confidence in mngt going forward.

    hamilton yes.

    jones no.

    Johansen is equivalent to Hall, as he plays C a much more coveted position. And I’m not sold that Jones is as good as Larsson right now.

    those deals are very similar in my view.

    ***edit***
    what cash mcmoney said.

  107. Chachi says:

    Bruce McCurdy: WG on LT’s show is always good.

    As are you, sir.

  108. JimmyV1965 says:

    Hall of Shame:
    James MirtleVerified account
    ‏@mirtle
    Story: Yesterday was further proof why Canada’s NHL teams are bad
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/canadas-nhl-teams-lack-vision/article30701562/

    The trades Edmonton and Montreal made on Wednesday are not defensible ones. They could set those franchises back for years because in both cases they subtracted one of the best assets they had on the roster for an inferior replacement…

    Why this is happening isn’t complicated, either. It’s not the pressure of the market, the media, the league conspiring against them or the fact that players don’t want to play here. (Hall and Subban certainly did.)

    The Canadian NHL teams have been, by and large, horribly mismanaged. They are, generally speaking, not progressive organizations, not adept at change and not finding ways to outmanoeuvre their competition.

    This’s

  109. OilClog says:

    The 3 Austins could never work due to

    -overspending on the 3rd and 4th lines that never paid dividends
    -Nikita Nikitin trade and sign.
    -coaching carousel
    -MacT
    -Kevin Lowe
    -Katz
    -Justin Schultz ice time gifting

    If anyone believe balance could not be obtained without sacrificing one of the Austins, looking at it all wrong.

    An entire top line of talent signed to 6 million contracts, does not handicap a team from reaching balance.

    -poor trades
    -poor advice
    -piss poor management

    That’s what causes imbalance.

    And CSM, yet I’m just learning about this life fork in the road

  110. Sugar Reijo says:

    A lot of talk the Bruins are looking to offer sheet Trouba or Barrie. After Hamilton, would be kinda funny if Chia has a hand in the dominos that take both off the market.

    “Oh, hey there, Don, didn’t see you there. Don’t get up….Oh, you are up. Sorry, my bad.”

    Then he offers him Reinhart.

  111. Water Fire says:

    Reading Adam Oates opinion of Larsson at TSN makes one’s Hall recovery regress a bit.

  112. JDï™ says:

    Carolina Hurricanes Verified account
    ‏@NHLCanes

    [NEWS] #Canes Buy Out James Wisniewski → Details: http://n.carhur.com/298u7UO

  113. Gordie Wayne says:

    So with the defense as it stands right now, Larsson, Klefbom and Sekera(NMC) have to be protected.

    So is there a reason to trade a Nuge or Eberle for another defenseman? Just so we can lose a good dman in the expansion draft? Me so confused….

  114. square_wheels says:

    JDï™,

    Gord’s help us if Chia thinks he’s signing Wiz and Dennis Seidenberg as the mystery LHD/ RHD combo we so desperately need.

    I might take WIz on a one year 1st PP show me contract, but this buyout crowd is not appealing.

  115. Woogie63 says:

    If Nuge goes for a dman,would Joe Colburne be a good 3rd line centre?

  116. JDï™ says:

    square_wheels: WIz on a one year 1st PP show me contract

    Yeah, depends on his knee though.

    PoSeidenberg has history with the GM…

  117. westcoastjos says:

    I’m just waiting for the Oilers to announce open try outs when they fail free agency tomorrow.

  118. JDï™ says:

    Gordie Wayne: Just so we can lose a good dman in the expansion draft?

    Lots of maneuvering ahead before expansion, and Daley has said that trades for an agreement to not pick unprotected players will be allowed.

    Next off season will prove to be quite entertaining. Now about that regular season…

  119. kooler says:

    Would Matt Martin be on the radar for 4th line?

  120. khildahl says:

    westcoastjos:
    I’m just waiting for the Oilers to announce open try outs when they fail free agency tomorrow.

    Doug Glatt, here we come.

  121. square_wheels says:

    kooler,

    I think Martin wants upper end 3rd line $$$$ – pass.

  122. LadiesloveSmid says:

    More 5v5 points in the last 2 years than Shattenkirk, Jones, Fowler, Seabrook, Campbell. NJ was dead last in ES scoring in those years. Is there much for an argument that Jones is better than Larsson? Larsson seems to have handled tougher competition better and scored more at even strength. Just not a PP point man at this point.

  123. LadiesloveSmid says:

    CAR takes 3.5M cap hit this year, and 1M next year. If you’re Edmonton, would you not have taken Wiz with 2M retained (3.5M) for nothing? There’s your PP guy

  124. Revolved says:

    To address another concern about Larsson – offense:

    EV stat from 2014-16 – value – rank/161 D over 1500 minutes played
    P/60 – 0.76 – 64
    A1/60 – 0.31 – tie 36
    Shots/60 – 3.33 – 120…
    IPP – 44.4 – 10!

    This hides a wide range between this year, where he was weak, and last year, where he was very strong.

  125. "Steve Smith" says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    As always, I agree with you.

    (Actually, that comment was the one that put to rest my suspicions that you and Kilty were one and the same.)

    If Nugent-Hopkins is going out the door for Barrie…well, I’ll be pissed off. Just like I am now. So, Oilers management, if you’re contemplating such a move, prepare for the fury of my status quo!

  126. rickithebear says:

    I laughed my ass when Oates talked about Larsson “lacks inner confidence.”

    I can be his spirit guide and take him to Ironhead
    -drink a 24 of pil
    -40 lber of Jack.
    – tramp around the bush for an hour
    – take him to the upper floors of sundance 5 boilers for 1hr of his own sweat lodge.
    he wil find his inner BEAR!

    He was coached by one of the best HSCA d in history!

  127. Drew says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Bag of Pucks,

    As always, I agree with you.

    (Actually, that comment was the one that put to rest my suspicions that you and Kilty were one and the same.)

    If Nugent-Hopkins is going out the door for Barrie…well, I’ll be pissed off.Just like I am now.So, Oilers management, if you’re contemplating such a move, prepare for the fury of my status quo!

    i think lobster is Hunter trolling us, thoughts?

  128. Gerta Rauss says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    CAR takes 3.5M cap hit this year, and 1M next year. If you’re Edmonton, would you not have taken Wiz with 2M retained (3.5M) for nothing? There’s your PP guy

    Or send them Korpse and Carolina could have bought him out for less $

    I wouldn’t mind a 1 year stop gap on D as the PP option

    I think Chia is pot committed now, he’s all in, and we’ll see another(bigger) transaction on D for the PP option

  129. square_wheels says:

    rickithebear,

    “upper floors of Sundance 5 boilers” – GOLD

    The “will you survive this industry test” for every new grad engineer I’ve ever encountered……….lets go up to the top of the boilers for a few hours, but you might want to bring some water and shed a few layers of collared shirt and khaki’s.

  130. Dustylegnd says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    “This morning, I think we can safely say one thing: We are witnessing the increased value, in real time, of actual NHL right-handed defensemen.”

    I find it sad that the Oilers are just realizing this.

    Last Friday the worth of defensemen in general was still lost on Oilers management…hence the JP pick…Good Lord

  131. JDï™ says:

    square_wheels: GOLD

    Alcohol poisoning be damned!

  132. Drew says:

    Dustylegnd: Last Friday the worth of defensemen in general was still lost on Oilers management…hence the JP pick…Good Lord

    the top ranked RHD was 17th or so? what do you propose?

  133. "Steve Smith" says:

    Drew: i think lobster is Hunter trolling us, thoughts?

    Not a chance. Hunter’s humour is of a far less, uh, subtle nature.

  134. JDï™ says:


    Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun now30 seconds ago

    Hearing that Milan Lucic has narrowed his choices to two teams. Decision time Friday when market opens.

  135. Drew says:

    “Steve Smith”: Not a chance.Hunter’s humour is of a far less, uh, subtle nature.

    true, he must be an actual Crustacean then. Swear to god he is sharper than some of the callers on Gregor’s show at the moment.

  136. Drew says:

    JDï™:

    Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun now30 seconds ago


    Hearing that Milan Lucic has narrowed his choices to two teams. Decision time Friday when market opens.

    that would be unbelievable if he was not in the bag!!!

  137. "Steve Smith" says:

    JDï™,

    I’m so confused now as to whether I’m hoping he signs with Edmonton. On the one hand, we clearly need a high-end left-winger, and if not him, who? On the other hand, that’s going to be one brutal contract.

  138. JDï™ says:

    “Steve Smith”: If Nugent-Hopkins is going out the door for Barrie

    It will be Eberle for Barrie, and then after Looch signs, Chia gives the Kings a 5th rounder for Dustin Brown.

    If that doesn’t draw Woodguy out of the woodwork, nothing will!

  139. Chachi says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    JDï™,

    I’m so confused now as to whether I’m hoping he signs with Edmonton.On the one hand, we clearly need a high-end left-winger, and if not him, who?On the other hand, that’s going to be one brutal contract.

    It is like a reverse Sophie’s choice. Don’t really want him at the price he will demand, but what the hell do the Oilers do if they don’t get him?

  140. "Steve Smith" says:

    Chachi: It is like a reverse Sophie’s choice. Don’t really want him at the price he will demand, but what the hell do the Oilers do if they don’t get him?

    I admit that I’d feel some grim satisfaction if the Oilers floundered this year because of a gaping hole at left-wing. But I’m pretty sure that I’m still the kind of fan who wants his team to win.

  141. Chachi says:

    Drew: true, he must be an actual Crustacean then. Swear to god he is sharper than some of the callers on Gregor’s show at the moment.

    It has been a veritable parade of mouth-breathing idiots calling in.

  142. Frank the dog says:

    Let’s just tune out until lunchtime tomorrow.

  143. Oilspill says:

    Holy FK. Writers and bloggers who know writing aND blogging, but not necessarily hockey are up in arms. Quite comiCal. Hockey people say necessary trade. I wonder who to believe?

  144. Chachi says:

    “Steve Smith”: I admit that I’d feel some grim satisfaction if the Oilers floundered this year because of a gaping hole at left-wing.But I’m pretty sure that I’m still the kind of fan who wants his team to win.

    They have done almost everything in their power to make me hate the team and yet I still come back for more. It must be a kind of sickness.

  145. "Steve Smith" says:

    Drew,

    The only way that Hunter and Lobster could be one and the same is if “Hunter” was itself a carefully crafted persona from a comedic genius. In that case, I could see the same person being behind Hunter and Lobster. But assuming, as I always have, that Hunter is basically WYSIWYG, there’s no way he’s Lobster.

    As for Gregor’s callers, is he at least letting them have it?

  146. Chachi says:

    "Steve Smith":
    Drew,

    The only way that Hunter and Lobster could be one and the same is if “Hunter” was itself a carefully crafted persona from a comedic genius.In that case, I could see the same person being behind Hunter and Lobster.But assuming, as I always have, that Hunter is basically WYSIWYG, there’s no way he’s Lobster.

    As for Gregor’s callers, is he at least letting them have it?

    Gregor has been calmly asking them to explain their positions and its a lot of dead air and gurgling sounds in response. Pretty impressive.

  147. "Steve Smith" says:

    Chachi,

    If you’d told me six years ago that I’d wind up liking Gregor this much, I’d never have believed you. The guy’s evolved like crazy.

  148. stephen sheps says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Bag of Pucks,

    As always, I agree with you.

    (Actually, that comment was the one that put to rest my suspicions that you and Kilty were one and the same.)

    If Nugent-Hopkins is going out the door for Barrie…well, I’ll be pissed off.Just like I am now.So, Oilers management, if you’re contemplating such a move, prepare for the fury of my status quo!

    “Steve Smith”

    I often agree with you (and Bag of Pucks, and Ducey and even that Bookje fellow once in a while). The hurt today is just as strong as yesterday, but the direction of the hurt has changed. I too do not wish to see my status quo unsettled any further. I am trying to pack to move back to Toronto from Tennessee and that is stressful enough on its own. The Oilers shouldn’t be adding to my stress in the summer – that’s a winter problem.

    I actually don’t begrudge Chiarelli for making this sort of move – one of the Austins had to go and the team filled a major need. RHD is a major currency and you have to give to get. I still think it was a massive overpay and that Hall should not have been the trading chip, but here we are. And it’s pretty awful. 10 years of failure has brought us all to this. I hope that Nuge stays and that PC is smart enough to see exactly what he has with 3 potential top shelf Centres and the roster flexibility that 3 centres provides.

    My hurt & anger is directed in 2 places:

    1) The previous 3 management teams (by which I mean the 3 headed monster known as 6 rings, Mr. Dithers and the Silver Fox/Helmetless wonder) that disassembled the once proud organization and thought they could rebuild it by running counter to the drafting tactics and underlying direction the rest of the league was going, by not recognizing that good teams are built from the net out rather than from the wings, by not making smart choices to actually surround the two cores full of promise (the Gagner rebuild and the original HOPE crew + Nuge) with a defence and even league average goaltending, for trading away the few good pieces for magic bullets and not replacing those few good pieces with even comparable good pieces. And finally for having the arrogance to continually trot out members of the glory days to keep the 3rd tier fans so drunk on nostalgia that it seemed as though the three amigos could always keep telling themselves that they were the smartest men in the room (or at the very least Lowe and MacT could while Tambi nodded mutely and Howson cooked the books). These are the people I am mad at and the reason why today, the morning after I still feel like I’ve been punched in the gut. These were the people that let it get so bad that the new guy felt he had no choice but to trade Taylor Hall to rebalance the team. It should not have come to this.

    2) The people who keep trying to assassinate Taylor Hall’s character. Please find a new place to post. HF Boards is pretty sweet I hear. So’s r/oilers. Thankfully those comments haven’t been as prevalent today, but all of you can kindly take your uninformed opinions and broadcast them on twitter or whatever the sports equivalent to TMZ is. Those types of comments, as our host (and sometimes internet Dad) reminds us, are not welcome here. Personal attacks on the players’ characters are like Politics – verboten.

    The reality here is that it never should have come to trading Hall, especially not like this, P.C. obviously does not come away looking particularly good, but Larsson will help the team get better in the long run, and the hope is that what happens over the next few days allows the Oilers to become a better, more complete, competitive and balanced team, not just during McDavid’s ELC but over the long haul. Sustainability and consistency are byproducts of balance. I really hope P.C. knows what he’s doing.

  149. Factotum says:

    I wonder what the reaction will be tomorrow if Demers signs with New Jersey and Lucic goes elsewhere.

  150. khildahl says:

    “Steve Smith”: But I’m pretty sure that I’m still the kind of fan who wants his team to win.

    My stance on this is still changing every few minutes. I’m going to sharpen my pitchfork tonight, but will hold off on lighting any torches until tomorrow morning.

  151. Ducey says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    CAR takes 3.5M cap hit this year, and 1M next year. If you’re Edmonton, would you not have taken Wiz with 2M retained (3.5M) for nothing? There’s your PP guy

    I know nothing about him, but he played 56 games three years ago, 13 games two years ago, and 1 game last year.

    I would guess he is broken.

  152. Chachi says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Chachi,

    If you’d told me six years ago that I’d wind up liking Gregor this much, I’d never have believed you.The guy’s evolved like crazy.

    Agreed, he still has his off days, but I think he is a smart guy and understands that he needs to evolve to stay relevant. It also helps that he is unencumbered by the kind of leash that is on someone who is working for the rights holder so he can really speak the truth.

  153. Drew says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Chachi,

    If you’d told me six years ago that I’d wind up liking Gregor this much, I’d never have believed you.The guy’s evolved like crazy.

    yep, really like his show (as i have said for about 2 weeks now)

  154. fanaddict says:

    Because, awesome.

    rickithebear:
    I laughed my ass when Oates talked about Larsson “lacks inner confidence.”

    I can be his spirit guide and takehim to Ironhead
    -drink a 24 of pil
    -40 lber of Jack.
    – tramp around the bush for an hour
    – take him to the upper floors of sundance 5 boilers for 1hr of his own sweat lodge.
    he wil find his inner BEAR!

    He was coached by one of the best HSCA d in history!

  155. "Steve Smith" says:

    rickithebear:
    I laughed my ass when Oates talked about Larsson “lacks inner confidence.”

    I can be his spirit guide and takehim to Ironhead
    -drink a 24 of pil
    -40 lber of Jack.
    – tramp around the bush for an hour
    – take him to the upper floors of sundance 5 boilers for 1hr of his own sweat lodge.
    he wil find his inner BEAR!

    He was coached by one of the best HSCA d in history!

    As long as I’m expressing my agreement with BoP, I should add that I loved your post too, Ricki.

    Soon cats will live among dogs.

  156. Drew says:

    stephen sheps: “Steve Smith”

    I often agree with you (and Bag of Pucks, and Ducey and even that Bookje fellow once in a while). The hurt today is just as strong as yesterday, but the direction of the hurt has changed. I too do not wish to see my status quo unsettled any further. I am trying to pack to move back to Toronto from Tennessee and that is stressful enough on its own. The Oilers shouldn’t be adding to my stress in the summer – that’s a winter problem.

    I actually don’t begrudge Chiarelli for making this sort of move – one of the Austins had to go and the team filled a major need. RHD is a major currency and you have to give to get. I still think it was a massive overpay and that Hall should not have been the trading chip, but here we are. And it’s pretty awful. 10 years of failure has brought us all to this. I hope that Nuge stays and that PC is smart enough to see exactly what he has with 3 potential top shelf Centres and the roster flexibility that 3 centres provides.

    My hurt & anger is directed in 2 places:

    1) The previous 3 management teams (by which I mean the 3 headed monster known as 6 rings, Mr. Dithers and the Silver Fox/Helmetless wonder) that disassembled the once proud organization and thought they could rebuild it by running counter to the drafting tactics and underlying direction the rest of the league was going, by not recognizing that good teams are built from the net out rather than from the wings, by not making smart choices to actually surround the two cores full of promise (the Gagner rebuild and the original HOPE crew + Nuge) with a defence and even league average goaltending, for trading away the few good pieces for magic bullets and not replacing those few good pieces with even comparable good pieces. And finally for having the arrogance to continually trot out members of the glory days to keep the 3rd tier fans so drunk on nostalgia that it seemed as though the three amigos could always keep telling themselves that they were the smartest men in the room (or at the very least Lowe and MacT could while Tambi nodded mutely and Howson cooked the books). These are the people I am mad at and the reason why today, the morning after I still feel like I’ve been punched in the gut. These were the people that let it get so bad that the new guy felt he had no choice but to trade Taylor Hall to rebalance the team. It should not have come to this.

    2) The people who keep trying to assassinate Taylor Hall’s character. Please find a new place to post. HF Boards is pretty sweet I hear. So’s r/oilers. Thankfully those comments haven’t been as prevalent today, but all of you can kindly take your uninformed opinions and broadcast them on twitter or whatever the sports equivalent to TMZ is. Those types of comments, as our host (and sometimes internet Dad) reminds us, are not welcome here. Personal attacks on the players’ characters are like Politics – verboten.

    The reality here is that it never should have come to trading Hall, especially not like this, P.C. obviously does not come away looking particularly good, but Larsson will help the team get better in the long run, and the hope is that what happens over the next few days allows the Oilers to become a better, more complete, competitive and balanced team, not just during McDavid’s ELC but over the long haul. Sustainability and consistency are byproducts of balance. I really hope P.C. knows what he’s doing.

    well said Sheps, well said.

  157. Drew says:

    khildahl: My stance on this is still changing every few minutes.I’m going to sharpen my pitchfork tonight, but will hold off on lighting any torches until tomorrow morning.

    almost threw myself on a sword last night… still might if drink to much tonight…

  158. stephen sheps says:

    rickithebear:
    I laughed my ass when Oates talked about Larsson “lacks inner confidence.”

    I can be his spirit guide and takehim to Ironhead
    -drink a 24 of pil
    -40 lber of Jack.
    – tramp around the bush for an hour
    – take him to the upper floors of sundance 5 boilers for 1hr of his own sweat lodge.
    he wil find his inner BEAR!

    He was coached by one of the best HSCA d in history!

    Gold Ricki, Gold!

    (Also, as sad as this may be to admit, I miss Pilsner… Best label in Canada by far, drinkable and cheap)

  159. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Ducey: I know nothing about him, but he played 56 games three years ago, 13 games two years ago, and 1 game last year.

    I would guess he is broken.

    people keep making this mistake, he played 69 games two years ago not 56 then 13. Also was healthy scratched multiple times by Anaheim in favour of Clayton Stoner. Big injury history, but wouldn’t be available for dirt if he didn’t. I honestly imagine NJ signs him

  160. "Steve Smith" says:

    stephen sheps: Also, as sad as this may be to admit, I miss Pilsner…

    Not sad at all, just brutally stereotypical, you left-wing, western Canadian, Pil-swilling philosophy-type.

  161. stevezie says:

    Here’s a reverse Sophie’s choice for ya: what will be a bigger disaster, signing lucic to a long and terrible contract (7×6.5), or not signing him at all?

  162. "Steve Smith" says:

    stevezie,

    Unless I’m missing something, that’s the same reverse Sophie’s choice that Chachi was talking about.

  163. khildahl says:

    “Steve Smith”: Not sad at all, just brutally stereotypical, you left-wing, western Canadian, Pil-swilling philosophy-type.

    That’s an odd way to say “Saskatchewanite”.

  164. stephen sheps says:

    “Steve Smith”: Not sad at all, just brutally stereotypical, you left-wing, western Canadian, Pil-swilling philosophy-type.

    Well played. Exceptionally well played.

    I would rather be that sort of stereotype than some of the others that I’ve been accused of being over the years.

  165. Gerta Rauss says:

    Ducey: I know nothing about him, but he played 56 games three years ago, 13 games two years ago, and 1 game last year.

    I would guess he is broken.

    Not to nitpick, but those splits are from when he got traded mid season. I think his totals the last 3 seasons 75,69 and 1 last year, and it might be hyperbole but I think he tore his knee up on his first shift last year.

    He’s a nice player if/when he’s healthy, but that is a big IF I’ll give you that

    *edit-nevermind

  166. thepeetso says:

    stephen sheps: Gold Ricki, Gold!

    (Also, as sad as this may be to admit, I miss Pilsner… Best label in Canada by far, drinkable and cheap)

    Except Pilsner is no longer cheap, its priced the same as Kokanee, Canadian, etc.

    Vitamin R is still by far has the best cost to taste of all the bubbly yellow piss beers.

    If only pils were still cheap I’d go on drinking them, but for now its Rainier (or Lucky in a bind)

  167. stephen sheps says:

    khildahl: That’s an odd way to say “Saskatchewanite”.

    Shut your whore mouth!

    While I do have a strange affection for the city of Saskatoon (and Meadow Lake provincial park is an under-rated gem of the prairies), I am Edmonton born and raised and lived there for 25 of my 34 years.

    thepeetso:

    If only pils were still cheap I’d go on drinking them, but for now its Rainier (or Lucky in a bind)

    Ok, so I’ve been living in the US for a year, but last summer they were still cheap enough in Onterrible that vitamin P remained my bad beer of choice.

    $1.99/tall can is cheap for Ontario

  168. "Steve Smith" says:

    stephen sheps,

    Huh – we’re the same age. In my head, you were substantially older than I was; I guess you’re just more accomplished.

  169. LadiesloveSmid says:

    stevezie:
    Here’s a reverse Sophie’s choice for ya: what will be a bigger disaster, signing lucic to a long and terrible contract (7×6.5), or not signing him at all?

    do you see if Perron comes back, if Ladd would be interested? 1LW feels like it hasn’t been a problem in an eternity.

  170. "Steve Smith" says:

    LadiesloveSmid: do you see if Perron comes back, if Ladd would be interested? 1LW feels like it hasn’t been a problem in an eternity.

    I think the last time was just before the Dustin Penner offer-sheet, when it looked like we were going to try a sixty-three year old Geoff Sanderson in that slot..

  171. stephen sheps says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    stephen sheps,

    Huh – we’re the same age.In my head, you were substantially older than I was; I guess you’re just more accomplished.

    says the lawyer to the soon-to-be-unemployed professor!

    (I’m hardly accomplished, I just have a few fancy letters I can put behind my name to trick people into thinking I don’t suck)

  172. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: WG on LT’s show is always good.

    Love you too baby!

    Thanks for the kind words all.

  173. thepeetso says:

    stevezie:
    Here’s a reverse Sophie’s choice for ya: what will be a bigger disaster, signing lucic to a long and terrible contract (7×6.5), or not signing him at all?

    Thats really terrifying isn’t it . . . From any angle . . . but given the cicumstances, I’d sign Lucic.

  174. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woodguy: Thanks for the kind words all.

    No problem. Who are you, again?

  175. stephen sheps says:

    LadiesloveSmid: do you see if Perron comes back, if Ladd would be interested? 1LW feels like it hasn’t been a problem in an eternity.

    Andrew Ladd?
    Hmm… I hadn’t thought about him as a fallback if Lucic doesn’t sign. That could be quite good, depending on the term. He would be a fine 2LW on a 3 year deal. But I doubt he would sign in Edmonton.

  176. "Steve Smith" says:

    thepeetso: Thats really terrifying isn’t it . . . From any angle . . . but given the cicumstances, I’d sign Lucic.

    I think I go the opposite route. As a back-up, we could probably get that fire hydrant who scored forty goals playing with Gretzky to slide in on McDavid’s left-wing. It’s not ideal, though.

  177. Tapdog says:

    God Gord….. I just realized that Barrie wears the #4 as well……..Now the Hall trade makes sense….

  178. LadiesloveSmid says:

    stephen sheps: Andrew Ladd?
    Hmm… I hadn’t thought about him as a fallback if Lucic doesn’t sign. That could be quite good, depending on the term. He would be a fine 2LW on a 3 year deal. But I doubt he would sign in Edmonton.

    I hadn’t really considered him either. He seems like a guy that’ll sign in Anaheim to me, maybe the islanders. He’s 2.5 years older than Lucic, maybe he takes less term and dollars. His shot rate hasn’t really declined, possession metrics down after a meh season. Is it from age or missing Little or what. Could be a good fit with McDavid as a strong forechecker that can really shoot and skate.

  179. Bling says:

    I think we can agree that Larsson is pretty elite on the defensive side, correct?

    The question is finding some comps for his offence. He doesn’t play much on the PP at all, so I tried to find some comps for his EV scoring. The numbers below are for age 22 seasons, followed by age 23 seasons. Numbers from hockey-reference.com.

    EV scoring (P/60):

    Adam Larsson

    Age 22/23: 1.1/0.7

    Roman Josi

    Age 22/23: 0.7/1.1

    Ryan Ellis

    Age 22/23: 0.5/1.1

    Ekman-Larsson

    Age 22/23: 0.9/0.9

    Subban

    Age 22/23: 0.9/1.0

    Hedman

    Age 22/23: 1.4/1.6 (!!!!)

    Larsson stacks up pretty well here (the last two seasons), despite playing on the worst EV scoring team in the league last season and playing very heavy minutes with severe zone starts.

    He looks positively Superman-ish, all things considered, no?

    Now, the big guys above (Josi, Subban, etc.) all took big steps forward in their age 24 seasons. So we’ll see.

    WG has Larsson as the 5th best RD in the league. He might not be wrong.

  180. stephen sheps says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Ladd visited the Isles today, so that is indeed a possibility. Could be a solid fit there.

    I really hadn’t thought of any of the UFA wingers because until yesterday the Oilers had no shortage of top level LWs.

    Strange times.

  181. HenryDrix says:

    PaperDesigner,

    We will see in one year.

  182. Cameron says:

    Woogie63:
    If Nuge goes for a dman,would Joe Colburnebe a good 3rd line centre?

    Colborne’s usefulness two years ago was a 3rd/4th line RW who absolutely killed it in the shootout, while bleeding possession at even strength like he’d been gut shot. Last year his usefulness in the shootout vanished as the Flames won/lost games during 3-on-3, and rarely made it to the skills competition. He did go crazy over the last 20 games scoring roughly half his points in that span, albeit when Cgy was well out of competing for a playoff spot.

    All of which is me saying that if you want a big (6’5″) skill winger (he was even worse at C) who gets killed in possession metrics, for over $3.5M a year, than Colborne is your guy.

    There is a reason ‘Big Local’ wasn’t qualified by Treliving.

  183. stephen sheps says:

    Drew,

    thanks.

    I seem to have 1 good post in me every two weeks or so, interspersed with inane drivel about Neil Young, alcohol and things I wish I had said.

    maybe I should be more like my TV analogue George Costanza and just walk away before I inevitably say something dumb.

  184. "Steve Smith" says:

    stephen sheps,

    As I said yesterday, the Hall trade has probably set this blog on the road towards being about Neil Young, with each post titled after a current or former Oiler, for thematic reasons. So I’d say that you and I are pretty well-situated to become superstar commenters.

  185. kashirat says:

    Woodguy,

    Agree, I really enjoyed what I heard too. I could really get behind a regular Lowetide/Woodguy podcast ala Dan Tencer’s podcast (the format, not the content!)

  186. stephen sheps says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Hmmm. I wonder what that would look like.

    Woodguy?

    Could be fun for a minute. Maybe LT will let me on the radio too 😉

  187. "Steve Smith" says:

    stephen sheps:
    “Steve Smith”,

    Hmmm. I wonder what that would look like.

    “This is Bruce Berry. One of the stereotypical hairy-assed working men we used to see around Maidstone, he’d load that Econoline van like it was going out of style. Music!”

  188. Chachi says:

    Cameron: Colborne’s usefulness two years ago was a 3rd/4th line RW who absolutely killed it in the shootout, while bleeding possession at even strength like he’d been gut shot. Last year his usefulness in the shootout vanished as the Flames won/lost games during 3-on-3, and rarely made it to the skills competition. He did go crazy over the last 20 games scoring roughly half his points in that span, albeit when Cgy was well out of competing for a playoff spot.

    All of which is me saying that if you want a big (6’5″) skill winger (he was even worse at C) who gets killed in possession metrics, for over $3.5M a year, than Colborne is your guy.

    There is a reason ‘Big Local’ wasn’t qualified by Treliving.

    I thought he was not qualified in order to avoid arbitration, but the idea was still for him to re-sign with the flames.

  189. stephen sheps says:

    “Steve Smith”: “This is Bruce Berry.One of the stereotypical hairy-assed working men we used to see around Maidstone, he’d load that Econoline van like it was going out of style.Music!”

    He was like a hurricane in his own way. A calm in his eyes as he blew past the defender.

    A bit to on the nose? Probably. Like I said, I should have quit after my first post of the day.

    Yours was brilliant. Dark but brilliant.

    Now I have to listen to that record.

  190. Chachi says:

    “Steve Smith”: I think the last time was just before the Dustin Penner offer-sheet, when it looked like we were going to try a sixty-three year old Geoff Sanderson in that slot..

    Ah, the glory days!

  191. Kmart99 says:

    ‘WG has Larsson as the 5th best RHD in the league. He might not be wrong.’

    Does he?

    If so, then the oilers traded the 5th best LW (imo)for the 5th best RHD at a discount price. If Larsson really was/is the 5th best RHD in the league, then NJ got fleeced.

    The truth is there’s no way Larsson is the 5th best RHD in the league. The only argument that makes sense is if you are only looking at EV TOI.
    The moment you factor in the PP and the lack of value there, his ranking drops drastically.

    How about 5th ranked RHD at Ev strength in the league, and 180th ranked PP dman overall?
    Seems accurate atm.

  192. Cameron says:

    Chachi: I thought he was not qualified in order to avoid arbitration, but the idea was still for him to re-sign with the flames.

    I think Flames mgt really like him (he is; big, a local boy, and possesses some really skilled hands), but he’s not worth what he’ll command on the open market. I wouldnt be surprised if he re-signs with Cgy, but his role is that of a third/4th line complimentary winger, not a 3C.

    I also have to point out just how absurd his usage was over the last half of the season too, he was gifted oodles of PP time with little effect, and then after blowing chunks for most of the year in his last 20 games he went off and scored 22 points, essentially doubling his production up to that point.

    His underlying numbers are real garbage, so if he’s on your wish list, be careful what you wish for!

  193. maudite says:

    I think I’m okay with the deal.

    What else would you need add to nugent plus say a 2nd round pick to Jersey for hall?

    I wouldn’t trade Larsson for Jones but many would have been okay with nuge+ for Jones…

  194. maudite says:

    Jones cost 1.3 million per season more than Larsson.

    Yes hall is on a good contract but so is Larsson. I would say Larsson relative to comparables is actually on a bit better of contract.

    Hall had 3 more years under control to Larsson’s 5?

    Defense and center then wing. McDavid at 9 mil+ in 2 years and hall probably 8 mil+ a year later (rnh and Eberle contracts as well).

    It hurts like hell but realigning the team to have defense older than McDavid with some value years left on contracts probably better in longer run.

  195. Woodguy says:

    “Steve Smith”: No problem.Who are you, again?

    Much like Zapped Bebebrox, I’m just this guy, you know.

  196. Woodguy says:

    Kmart99:
    ‘WG has Larsson as the 5th best RHD in the league. He might not be wrong.’

    Does he?

    If so, then the oilers traded the 5th best LW (imo)for the 5th best RHD at a discount price.If Larsson really was/is the 5th best RHD in the league, then NJ got fleeced.

    The truth is there’s no way Larsson is the 5th best RHD in the league.The only argument that makes sense is if you are only looking at EV TOI.
    The moment you factor in the PP and the lack of value there, his ranking drops drastically.

    How about 5th ranked RHD at Ev strength in the league, and 180th ranked PP dman overall?
    Seems accurate atm.

    Fair.

    I never account for special teams as 90% of the game is played 5v5 and the best 5v4 units I’ve ever seen had 5 forwards.

  197. Dominoiler says:

    Had to stop reading, LT, I’m sure others have said it too, you’ve had Demers surrounded for so long and may be on the cusp of getting your wish.. and we could be on our way to actually having a top 4, without over exposing youth to top 4 (nurse).. but who am I kidding, Klef Larsson.. kinda interesting that the top 2 would be making less than the 3-4s.. for many years..

    Anyways, Lucic/Demers, I’m getting used to the idea..

  198. Dominoiler says:

    Kmart99:
    ‘WG has Larsson as the 5th best RHD in the league. He might not be wrong.’

    ..

    How about 5th ranked RHD at Ev strength in the league, and 180th ranked PP dman overall?
    Seems accurate atm.

    Ease up on the details, previous, team relative, numbers, he is a serious upgrade on ‘just mark fayne’ for RHD, he’ll get more opportunity here..

    Plus, 5th best at 5v5, awesome!

  199. Dominoiler says:

    I know it’s a dead thread, but, just sayin..

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