WILD HORSES

This morning, I think we should establish reasonable expectations for Jesse Puljujarvi. He is 18 (birthday May 7) and coming off brilliant tournaments against kids his own age, plus a season as a regular in the Finnish pro league (Sm-Liiga). I think, going in, that the Oilers should bring him to camp as a probable NHL option, but with the Sm-Liiga or AHL as possibilities—even for 20 games. How does JP compare to other Finnish youngsters after their 17-year old seasons? Below are points-per-game totals in the Sm-Liiga at 17, plus totals in the year following:

  • Mikael Granlund: 17 (.930)     18 (.923 Sm-Liiga)
  • Aleksander Barkov: 17 (.906) 18 (.444 NHL)
  • Joel Armia: 17 (.604)               18 (.704 Sm-Liiga)
  • Jesse Puljujarvi: 17 (.560)
  • Teuvo Teravainen: 17 (.450)   18 (.705 Sm-Liiga)

I understand this is over many years and certainly without TOI we are miles from really knowing. That said the Sm-Liiga is tellings us Puljujarvu is not Barkov offensively, and Barkov had 24 points in 54 games as a rookie. Counting on Puljujarvi as a significant offensive player next season is risky, in my opinion. He may develop that way, but counting on him in a season Peter Chiarelli needs to go well? He might be productive on a third line that sees the soft parade—say, with Leon and Maroon—but a feature role on the McDavid line feels extremely early from here.

WHO RUNS WITH MCDAVID-LUCIC?

Milan Lucic differs in many ways from Taylor Hall, and one of those differences is shots on goal. Lucic shot 124 times in 81 games (1.53 per game) and at even strength 5.09 shots per 60. His playing style helps in the offensive zone, but he is not the dominant shooter on his line. The fabulous blog The Energy Line (Corey Sznajder) tracked some playoff games by the Kings and produced a wonderful graph to show Lucic as primarily a passer:

lucic the passer

  • Quoting the blog: The different types of players are a little easier to spot here with Versteeg, Kopitar & Lucic opting to pass more than shoot while Toffoli, Brown, Gaborik, Shore, King  and Carter are at the other end of the spectrum. The other thing that sticks out is that the Kings forwards seemed to have more of a shoot-first mentality compared to Sharks, whose top forwards seemed to pass more often. I’m not sure what the reasoning behind that is or if it’s significant, but it’s an odd quirk here. The separation between the Kings three main passers and the rest of the forwards is a bit alarming, though. Source

I think that points us to the need for a shooter on RW. Who are the best shooters for Edmonton? Well, let’s look at two categories: shots per 60 and attempted shots per game (via hockey-reference):

Shots per game

  1. Jesse Puljujarvi 3.06 (49 in 16—Sm-Liiga)*
  2. Eberle 2.51 (173 in 69)
  3. Maroon 2.44 (39 in 16)
  4. Yakupov 2.12 (127 in 60)
  5. Draisaitl 1.85 (133 in 72)
  6. Pakarinen 1.21 (76 in 63)
  7. Kassian 1.17 (42 in 36)

Attempted shots per game

  1. Eberle 4.29 (296 in 69)
  2. Yakupov 3.67 (220 in 60)
  3. Maroon 3.56 (57 in 16)
  4. Draisaitl 2.97 (214 in 72)
  5. Pakarinen 2.22 (140 in 63)
  6. Kassian 2.14 (77 in 36)

*Puljujarvi numbers based on October 22, 2015 article by Mike Morreale, detailing 49 shots in 16 games—14:38 per night. Source

Puljujarvi is so young, I would hope the Oilers put him in a protected role, as mentioned above. Based on anecdotal evidence—Revolved also supplied us with info that (among other things) tells us JP delivered 6.93 equal-strength shots per 60—he could be a marksman for a scoring line. The question is when? I hope the Oilers don’t push him. Based on the numbers above, I think Nail Yakupov may have a seam here, even a little one, to get a push this fall.

oesterle ferguson 14-15

Jordan Oesterle photo by Rob Ferguson

HOW MANY ROOKIES

I imagine the Oilers will see several rookies play a substantial amount this year.

  • R Jesse Puljujarvi. I think there is a good chance he plays the entire season, and he could be in contention for the ROY. Everything would have to break right for him.
  • LD Jordan Oesterle. He is mobile and can play RH side. I fully understand the value of L-R, but with the Leftorium as a major part of the blue, lefties are going to dominate the roster. Oesterle is an emerging player.
  • L Drake Caggiula. He starts in Bakersfield but gets a chance after Christmas is my guess. Injuries dictate opportunities, but with his offense, they are going to want to have a look at him in the NHL.
  • G Laurent Brossoit. He played 300 minutes a year ago, too small a sample size to judge anything. Minor league numbers have been getting better, suspect he will play enough to qualify this as his rookie season.
  • C Jujhar Khaira. He will probably be an early callup, although the Nuge rumors have him in play as 4C if it comes to that (McDavid, Leon, Letestu, Lander-Khaira), so making the team as an extra forward is possible. The offense likely limits his role, but he appears to be close to NHL-ready.
  • R Anton Slepyshev. He has NHL size and speed, and more offense was expected from him. No matter, year one NA and sometimes that has an impact. He probably needs to light it up in Bakersfield during the fall to get a look.
  • LD David Musil. He will be an option for 7D and his time is now. I can see the Oilers running him out there for 45 games this season with an eye to the expansion draft.
  • R Tyler Pitlick. Does he still qualify as a rookie? I don’t think he does, but will include him here. Pitlick has a chance to play in the NHL this season, but needs to stay healthy.
  • Bogdan Yakimov. Nuge’s possible exit brings all kinds of names into play, and if the team struggles at C with RNH gone (they will) we could see all manner of options attempted. Don’t believe me? Hey, this team recalled Sebastien Bisaillon—don’t tell me calling up Yakimov is impossible!

There are reasons to believe there is a deal here, with Nuge and Barrie the prominent names. Could this deal get bigger? We wait, but today might get interesting.

HOCKEY RELATIVITY

A great new resource for you to bookmark: Hockey Relativity. Scoring rates and estimated scoring rates allow us a very interesting view into these young prospects. Among the interesting items: Bear (1.32) and Jones (1.28) are basically equal at even-strength offense. WheatnOil wrote about this, and a reflection of that 2015 draft’s quality. Also, Tyler Benson is No. 1 among 17 year old WHL forwards in points per 60—we talked about this too, but nice to get a confirm from another source. The IPP category is revealing as well. Also discussed, and now confirmed, Markus Niemelainen is a more productive player offensively than Logan Stanley. Of course, this doesn’t address the defensive side of these prospects but it is interesting.

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  1. JDï™ says:

    http://i.imgur.com/gSFrEUI.jpg

    Someone ran into them on the way to Jasper.

    MacT looks good, and it’s great that it seems his health troubles are behind him. Now GO GET THAT VEGAS GM JOB, CRAIG!

  2. Professor Q says:

    Ryan: Well, there were mitigating factors like having players in mid season form.Then there’s the poor shot rate per sixty and high shooting percentage.

    The Oilers had the 8th most goals for on pp during Kruger’s season.

    1. Washington – 44 goals
    6. San Jose – 33 goals
    8. Oilers –33 goals
    15. Calgary 28 goals
    30. Boston – 17 goals

    Shots for per 60 under Krueger.

    1. San Jose 60.3
    11. Washington 51
    15. Boston 48.9
    22. Edmonton 44.7
    26. Calgary 43.7

    The oilers were 3rd in shooting percent.Calgary was sixth.Boston was 30 th

    Next year?Boston had the sixth best shooting percentage.Oilers 16th and Calgary 28th.

    Shots per sixty

    1. San Jose 64.2
    3. Washington 62.7
    6. Boston 56.6
    25. Oilers 48.2
    27. Calgary 45

    The Evidence suggests the Oilers were just lucky under Kruger.

    Last year he Oilers had 50.5 shots per sixty for18th in league.

    Maintaining a top 10 power play with a shot rate per sixty of 44.7 is not feasible.

    Thank you, Ryan.

  3. Lowetide says:

    JDï™:
    http://i.imgur.com/gSFrEUI.jpg

    Someone ran into them on the way to Jasper.

    MacT looks good, and it’s great that it seems his health troubles are behind him. Now GO GET THAT VEGAS GM JOB, CRAIG!

    OMG, Chiarelli.

  4. Shau-co says:

    Continuing on with Woodguys article: I think you likely have come much closer to what a team might be looking at and it makes sense. I think we always new corsi without quantifying high danger shots holds much less value.

    It also makes sense why they ended going for Larsson since the cost for the few defenseman who both push RelxGF% and can play on your power play are so rare.

    It was interesting to see Pietrangelo struggle so much. I among others have been really high on him.

  5. trader says:

    Boys, let’s be clear Chia is NOT, NOT trading Nurse…rightly or wrongly he is viewed as having the potential to be the next Larry Robinson by mgmt.
    So stop with all the proposals that throw Nurse into a deal to get a 2nd pairing D

  6. who says:

    Pouzar: BS

    He hasn’t been good enough the last 2 yrs. Full stop.
    The legend of Trouba runs wild in these parts.

    Funny, I agree with a lot of the stuff you post. Don’t get why you don’t like Trouba. I agree that he struggled a bit the last 2 years but he had a good rookie year and may be on the same developmental curve as Myers. In fact he may be at the same point in development that Larsson was at a couple of years ago. He does seem to have all the tools.
    I would be willing to trade Nurse for Trouba. I think they are similar players at similar stages in their careers. The only difference is Nurse is expansion exempt. Trouba may bring more offense to the table, which seems to be what we are looking for. I would rather offer Davidson or Reinhart plus but I don’t think that would get it done.
    I would also be perfectly happy if they did nothing else this summer and went to camp with this roster. They may find a powerpaly quarterback on their current roster if they give it 40 games.

  7. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: OMG, Chiarelli.

    “swizzle swagger out” hahahaha I don’t know where to start with my criticism LOL.

  8. trader says:

    Centre of attention: “swizzle swagger out” hahahaha I don’t know where to start with my criticism LOL.

    Given the trades he makes we know he has “Big Stones”…

  9. Woodguy says:

    LadiesloveSmid: did Hedman or Vlasic play any significant time at RD? both are left shots

    I need a good editor.

    Fixed.

  10. Pescador says:

    Lowetide: OMG, Chiarelli.

    If you ever thought of joining the witness protection program,
    That’s what it looks like

  11. Woodguy says:

    Younger Oil: It worked for me when I went through to the home page of your site, and I’m a pretty quick reader haha, tons of great info!

    Ha!

    Thanks YO!

  12. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: We all go to the bottom for the summary, right? Right? WG you are a Godsend.

    Awwww, thanks Dad.

  13. Woodguy says:

    Jethro Tull: So are biblical plagues!Zing!

    This

  14. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear:
    Expected goals is what i have used.
    But it is structered fo comp- team – zs.

    Bang fucking on!

    The blend of sa – hsca against.

    When you lok at the stabdard 17 to 20 low chance shots
    And
    The 7.5 to 13.5 hsc shots

    Clearly a low hsca shot count should corelate to an expected save % with an average goalie.

    You get a cummulative total of expected save % by shots. With an expected ga.

    I have been doing this for years.

    Sure shot ninja,s was the first chance for many to see what was evident in langes.
    Quality of shot. Lange tried to present in a type of shot and team based metric.
    It was the x,y position and distance that indicated success.

    But there is still one factor that dictates. The final results.
    The targeting of open space ability of shooters; open space targeting; the ability of affecting open space targeting.

    For me the miss rates of high corner shots x success rate of those shots. Gets you a shot success value. But what i define as net perimeter shooting gives up a high miss rate that leads to good counter attack play initiated by strong break out passes from forwards and dmen.

    Hence i am more of a fan of shots below the arms and above the pads that have half the success rate of upper corner shots 67%.
    But equal success rate of all net perimeter shots. 29-30%.

    The diffrence is the below arm – above pad have almost zero counter attack ability.
    Only dictated by forward versus dman retrieval of the rebound.

    Dear Mr. TheBear

    Thank you.

    You used goals and we all HATED that because it included goalie ability which throws everything out of whack.

    Expected Goals is great because its goaler independent.

    You’re right in that box protection is very, very important, but 3rd pairing Dmen like Fistric ALWAYS show better because of who they play against.

    Need to compare Dmen with similar QC or else it doesn’t work.

    Thanks again, I agree with most of what you write.

  15. One-Timer says:

    JDï™:
    http://i.imgur.com/gSFrEUI.jpg

    Someone ran into them on the way to Jasper.

    MacT looks good, and it’s great that it seems his health troubles are behind him. Now GO GET THAT VEGAS GM JOB, CRAIG!

    Chia is trying to go incognito but MacT won’t play along.

  16. Pescador says:

    JDï™:
    http://i.imgur.com/gSFrEUI.jpg

    Someone ran into them on the way to Jasper.

    MacT looks good, and it’s great that it seems his health troubles are behind him. Now GO GET THAT VEGAS GM JOB, CRAIG!

    I have to guess the order was an Xtra Lrg Trpl-Trpl, plus 48 timbits 1/2 Chocolate.
    Mactavish “could I get 1 of those?”
    Pete “sure, they sell them over there, at that counter”
    Ladies & Gentelmen; the President of the Edmonton Oilers

  17. Woodguy says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Wow. Incredible detail. Thank you. I feel like you’ve drawn us picture of exactly what we’re getting in Larsson (even if its an impressionist painting )Setting realistic expectations around the narrative for this guy is very important to his acceptance/approval by the fan base and perhaps even his success in Edmonton. (some people will choose to view him as the guy we got for Hall which can be counter-productive moving forward)

    If I’m reading it correctly you are concluding that the expectaion is that Larsson is or should be an adequate/acceptable top pairing option.

    On Severson, does the data suggest he is a 2nd pairing guy today with potential to become a top pairing. Does his development path relative to his age suggest he is more likely than not to become a top pairing guy?

    Thanks.

    Severson is good 2nd pair already imo, but he’s a bit of a saloon door defensively and needs to fix that, or drive CF/60 more if he’s to be a good 1st pairing Dman.

    He’s only 21.

    Great draft pick.

  18. Woodguy says:

    Shau-co:
    Woodguy,

    Great article WG. Thank-you.

    I’m wondering if Severson shows better with some forwards like Zajac because in those situations it’s likely the opposing team is icing their 2nd or 3rd line. I’m assuming Zajac also took a lot of DZ FOs (since he has their best face off percentage) with Larsson against the opposing teams top line. Maybe that skews the data poorly for Larsson.

    Anyway, great stuff!

    Thanks

    I showed both Larsson and Severson with and without Greene for this reason.

    Greene is the one who plays the toughs and if Severson is with him, its highly probable that they have the same QC as Greene-Larsson

  19. Alpine says:

    One-Timer: Chia is trying to go incognito but MacT won’t play along.

    It was working. Didn’t even notice that was chia until LT mentioned it.

  20. jp says:

    Hey LT,

    Haven’t been commenting much lately, but still reading!

    Re: shot totals for Puljujarvi. I don’t speak Finnish, but one can parse stats from the SM-Liiga site with a little effort (http://liiga.fi/tilastot/2015-2016/runkosarja/pelaajat/). Apologies if someone posted this already!

    Puljujarvi’s regular season totals:
    50-13-15-28 175 Shots (3.5/Game) 15:04 TOI
    And Playoffs:
    10-4-5-9 48 Shots (4.8/Game) 16:30 TOI
    Overall:
    60-17-20-37 223 Shots (3.72/Game)

    The man certainly is a shooter. He’ll need some time, but looks like he’ll be a nice part of the top 6 before too long.

  21. Woodguy says:

    Shau-co:
    Continuing on with Woodguys article: I think you likely have come much closer to what a team might be looking at and it makes sense. I think we always new corsi without quantifying high danger shots holds much less value.

    It also makes sense why they ended going for Larsson since the cost for the few defenseman who both push RelxGF% and can play on your power play are so rare.

    It was interesting to see Pietrangelo struggle so much. I among others have been really high on him.

    I don’t think Pietrangelo struggles that much.

    I think the other Dmen on STL are very good so Rel metrics hurt him.

    I also think Bouwmeester is a big drag on him.

  22. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: OMG, Chiarelli.

    I’m growing my mustache back because of this exact photo.

  23. Halfwise says:

    trader:
    Boys, let’s be clear Chia is NOT, NOT trading Nurse…rightly or wrongly he is viewed as having the potential to be the next Larry Robinson by mgmt.
    So stop with all the proposals that throw Nurse into a deal to get a 2nd pairing D

    I’m just going to do it until I need glasses.

  24. Ryan says:

    JDï™:
    http://i.imgur.com/gSFrEUI.jpg

    Someone ran into them on the way to Jasper.

    MacT looks good, and it’s great that it seems his health troubles are behind him. Now GO GET THAT VEGAS GM JOB, CRAIG!

    I think I saw their ride.

    http://m.imgur.com/gallery/6sPjiZu

  25. Big Dan says:

    Chiarelli is not dealing sekera. He signed in good faith and did everything asked of him. If Chiarelli is going to keep attracting free agents like Lucic and kids like cagguila (to recover from our barren drafting record), he can’t be screwing our signees over. Sekera was a good pickup.

    He is not trading nurse. He’s the Jason smith/ Robyn regehr type we’ve desperately needed forever. Too many people are being blinded by rocky rookie seasons (nurse) and sophomore seasons (Draisaitl). Patience- these two will be great. Oilers are about to become a menace to play against.

    As for Tyson Barrie, he is almost as good as subban. Dynamic, exciting, not great defensively (we have sekera, klefbom, and Larsson for that)… But $3m cheaper.

    If Chiarelli threatens to offer sheet trouba and Barrie and can work his leverage to a 3 way whereby he gives up Reinhart, yakupov, and a 1st and 2nd and gets Barrie= I will forgive him for hall.

    The avs are NUTS for wanting to trade him. Chiarelli needs to seize this opportunity.

  26. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar: BS

    He hasn’t been good enough the last 2 yrs. Full stop.
    The legend of Trouba runs wild in these parts.

    He’s actually been pretty good and shows up in good spots when I’ve been doing my Dman stuff.

    He’s played 50% of his time with Stuart and doing very well there vs 3rd pairing and is not a drag when he moves up the roster.

    I don’t publish anything on him because he’s not a first pairing target or a 2/3 pairing who plays PP, but I see his results when running my stuff for everyone else.

    He’s the goods.

  27. Richard S.S. says:

    Just a couple questions before the new post comes out.

    Adam Larsson played his entire career, since and including his draft year, on a Team with an offense that badly sucked. Playing on a better team would have given him more points. When you compare defensive ability amongst the top D in the NHL, Adam shows very, very well. I believe he’s a 1st Pairing D. Now comes the question. With his exceptional defense, would scoring 30 pts a year make him a Top-5 D?

    There’s a lot of question about whether Jesse Puljujarvi starts with the Team or goes to the AHL. Until he got hurt, he was 1A to Matthew’s 1, not a clear #2, and a full step down was Laine. With the injury he was done, while Liane, solely on his postseason took over his spot. His talent and abilities went nowhere, they are still there. Now comes the question. Who besides Eberle could be better than Jesse on the right-side?

  28. One-Timer says:

    Not sure if this was covered earlier:
    Yes, Lucic shoots less, but had a much higher scoring %age than Hall. (Something like 15% vs 9% this season.)

    If you subtract all of Hall’s perimeter shots (from outside the circle into the goalie’s crest), the difference between them is not so pronounced when it comes to shooting. I don’t think this is really where Taylor distinguishes himself from Milan.

  29. AsiaOil says:

    I liked our draft a lot and there is a decent chance that PJ and Benson become impact forwards. We may have stolen one with the LW who was hobbled by injuries but still put up great PPG numbers. But we need to be very patient with PJ. Bakersfield or highly protected 4th line minutes next season. I think we need to keep both Yak and Ebs and run them in the top 6. If PJ shows enough progress over the year to handle 2nd line minutes in 2017-18 – then you trade one of Ebs/Yak at the trade deadline or off-season depending on how we are doing. But unlike the desperate need for a 1RD – we can take our time with this let the deal come to us.

    Lucic CMD Yak
    Pou Drai Ebs
    Maroon RNH PJ
    Hendo Letestu Kass

    I like this setup a lot and give the 2nd/3rd lines equal time but more protection for the 3rd with the rookie. Unicorns baby – they still exist – and I really don’t want to mess with the forwards any more.

    Klef Larsson
    Sekera xxx
    xxx Fayne

    That empty 3rd pair LHD slot will be filled by one of Nurse/GR/Davidson. Nurse is draft exempt which essentially gives us 4 or 5 dman slots. Davidson can also play RHD and is an option for the 2nd pair with Sekera – not perfect – but good enough short term. I’d almost be willing to stand pat here and wait for a deal to come to us for one or two of our young LHD. Trouba is out there – WPG has to do something – and they have brutal depth at LHD behind Enstrom. FLA is equally as unbalanced as us with too many RHD. So there are trade partners out there and we are no longer seen as the desperate buyer – but as a patient seller who will deal when the right player is available at the right price. The next deal will look like the Maroon/Kass deals where we filled an obvious need but didn’t have to sell the ranch to do it.

    So I doubt we trade another forward when we have excess LHD and a draft picks to use as necessary.

  30. Shau-co says:

    Woodguy,

    Thanks, that makes sense

  31. Shau-co says:

    Woodguy: Thanks

    I showed both Larsson and Severson with and without Greene for this reason.

    Greene is the one who plays the toughs and if Severson is with him, its highly probable that they have the same QC as Greene-Larsson

    What if it’s Larsson that plays the toughs more often than Greene? Would Greene-Severson go against 2nd line. I’m not sure it matters… This is a bit beyond me, so I’ll just trust what you say lol

  32. jfry says:

    Woodguy: I’m growing my mustache back because of this exact photo.

    Don’t forget to tuck your T-shirt into your shorts. Wow.

  33. Frank the dog says:

    AsiaOil:
    I liked out draft a lot and there is a decent chance that PJ and Benson become impact forwards. We may have stolen one with the LW who was hobbled by injuries but still put up great PPG numbers. But we need to be very patient with PJ. Bakersfield or highly protected 4th line minutes next season. Ithink we need to keep both Yak and Ebs and run them in the top 6. If PJ shows enough progress over the year to handle 2nd line minutes in 2017-18 – then you trade one of Ebs/Yak at the trade deadline or off-season depending on how we are doing. But unlike the desperate need for a 1RD – we can take our time with this let the deal come to us.

    Lucic CMD Yak
    Pou Drai Ebs
    Maroon RNH PJ
    Hendo Letestu Kass

    I like this setup a lot and give the 2nd/3rd lines equal time but more protection for the 3rd with the rookie. Unicorns baby – they still exist – and I really don’t want to mess with the forwards any more.

    Klef Larsson
    Sekera xxx
    xxx Fayne

    That empty 3rd pair LHD slot will be filled by one of Nurse/GR/Davidson. Nurse is draft exempt which essentially gives us 4 or 5 dman slots. Davidson can also play RHD and is an option for the 2nd pair with Sekera – not perfect – but good enough short term. I’d almost be willing to stand pat here and wait for a deal to come to us for one or two of our young LHD. Trouba is out there – WPG has to do something – and they have brutal depth at LHD behind Enstrom. FLA is equally as unbalanced as us with too many RHD. So there are trade partners out there and we are no longer seen as the desperate buyer – but as a patient seller who will deal when the right player is available at the right price. The next deal will look like the Maroon/Kass deals where we filled an obvious need but didn’t have to sell the ranch to do it.

    So I doubt we trade another forward when we have excess LHD and a draft picks to use as necessary.

    This.

  34. Frank the dog says:

    JDï™:
    http://i.imgur.com/gSFrEUI.jpg

    Someone ran into them on the way to Jasper.

    MacT looks good, and it’s great that it seems his health troubles are behind him. Now GO GET THAT VEGAS GM JOB, CRAIG!

    Who’s the third fellow with them?

  35. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy: I don’t think Pietrangelo struggles that much.

    I think the other Dmen on STL are very good so Rel metrics hurt him.

    I also think Bouwmeester is a big drag on him.

    Stauff was saying the ask for Pietrangelo was Hall+4th overall

  36. Frank the dog says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Stauff was saying the ask for Pietrangelo was Hall+4th overall

    So he was shopped then.

  37. Andy Dufresne says:

    Centre of attention: “swizzle swagger out” hahahaha I don’t know where to start with my criticism LOL.

    Whadya just off the boat. We ordered a three way and some chowda….and this is how people dress in Nantucket ya chucklehead!

  38. Mustard Tiger says:

    Oilers sign RW Taylor Beck

  39. geowal says:

    The oilers have signed Taylor Beck. yay!?

  40. square_wheels says:

    Who’s Tyler Beck ?

  41. Shau-co says:

    Frank the dog: So he was shopped then.

    That doesn’t mean he was shopped. If they were working on the New Jersey deal, I would except them to explore other options. As many as possible before finalizing

  42. square_wheels says:

    Tyler Beck – 25 yr old 6’2″ 205lb RW, solid AHL numbers, few cups of coffee with Nashville.

    I’m 100% Fine with these moves.

  43. Andy Dufresne says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Stauff was saying the ask for Pietrangelo was Hall+4th overall

    26 year old 6’3″ 200lb right shooting D who averages over a half point a game, 25 minutes a night and olympic team regular.

    Hall and JP….hmmm

    or keep JP and Larsson…..?

  44. Zelepukin says:

    Andy Dufresne: 26 year old6’3″200lbright shooting D who averages over a half point a game, 25 minutes a night and olympic team regular.

    Hall and JP….hmmm

    or keep JP and Larsson…..?

    I don’t think Pietrangelo is that much better than Larsson, at least not in the value of Hall + JP. Too much upside in JP to pass on.

  45. AsiaOil says:

    Woodguy,

    Very nice stuff WG – thanks for the effort. I agree with your take on Severson as well and he would have been a fine 2nd pair RHD target – problem was – we had no 1RHD. Really think Klef is going to explode this year (if healthy) playing with a guy like Larsson. Agree on a potential Greene effect but that is probably heading downhill quickly as he is now 33. Price for Larsson was awfully steep but that’s what a decade of mismanagement will do for you. I prefer this deal to Subban though as it only cost one forward instead of a whole line and the traded asset was largely replaced immediately through UFA. NJD couldn’t do that when they dealt their 1RHD. Severson isn’t gong anywhere now and he’s going to get thrown to the wolves next season as their 1RHD.

    Trouba, Berrie and a couple of the FLA dmen are also still out there and we will see what happens. As I said in my previous post – we now have extra valuable assets (young LHD) and can be patient sellers for the right deal. RNH is not on the table – but as the season progresses – one of Yak or Ebs may be depending on how things go with JP. I think the crazy part is over now and we can go forward with smaller and more measured steps.

  46. Andy Dufresne says:

    He went from Nashville to Toronto to NYI to Colorado all in one year. Lets hope he pulls a Devan Dubnyk.

    square_wheels:
    Tyler Beck – 25 yr old 6’2″ 205lb RW, solid AHL numbers, few cups of coffee with Nashville.

    I’m 100% Fine with these moves.

  47. Younger Oil says:

    Nice to get some more RW depth.

    Beck, Pitlick, Pakarainen all seem pretty similar in play style, the more competition the better.

  48. Oilspill says:

    The only way Trouba or Barrie come is if we buy out Fayne. Then we pay them 6 mil and our defense will be nearly 24 mil. Good idea odds are pretty low however.

    Big Dan:
    Chiarelli is not dealing sekera.He signed in good faith and did everything asked of him.If Chiarelli is going to keep attracting free agents like Lucic and kids like cagguila(to recover from our barren drafting record), he can’t be screwing our signees over.Sekera was a good pickup.

    He is not trading nurse.He’s the Jason smith/ Robyn regehr type we’ve desperately needed forever.Too many people are being blinded by rocky rookie seasons (nurse) and sophomore seasons (Draisaitl).Patience- these two will be great.Oilers are about to become a menace to play against.

    As for Tyson Barrie, he is almost as good as subban.Dynamic, exciting, not great defensively (we have sekera, klefbom, and Larsson for that)… But $3m cheaper.

    If Chiarelli threatens to offer sheet trouba and Barrie and can work his leverage to a 3 way whereby he gives up Reinhart, yakupov, and a 1st and 2nd and gets Barrie= I will forgive him for hall.

    The avs are NUTS for wanting to trade him.Chiarelli needs to seize this opportunity.

  49. Andy Dufresne says:

    trader:
    Boys, let’s be clear Chia is NOT, NOT trading Nurse…rightly or wrongly he is viewed as having the potential to be the next Larry Robinson by mgmt.
    So stop with all the proposals that throw Nurse into a deal to get a 2nd pairing D

    June 25th…..Let”s be clear Chia is NOT, NOT trading Hall…

    Edit: oops…sorry…just realized you said Chia is not not trading Nurse. That sounds accurate.

  50. Woodguy says:

    Shau-co: What if it’s Larsson that plays the toughs more often than Greene? Would Greene-Severson go against 2nd line. I’m not sure it matters… This is a bit beyond me, so I’ll just trust what you say lol

    Greene is the man.

    No one on the left side there is in the same galaxy.

  51. JDï™ says:

    Frank the dog: Who’s the third fellow with them?

    Think he’s a fan who requested the pic.

  52. Woodguy says:

    AsiaOil,

    Thanks AO, Appreciate it.

    I prefer this deal to Subban though as it only cost one forward instead of a whole line and the traded asset was largely replaced immediately through UFA. NJD couldn’t do that when they dealt their 1RHD. Severson isn’t gong anywhere now and he’s going to get thrown to the wolves next season as their 1RHD.

    I’m right there too.

    I think Trouba can PP some and is probably better than Barrie 5v5 defensively.

    Def. a Chia type guy.

  53. Todd Macallan says:

    JDï™,

    If it’s not Drake Caggiula, it sure looks an awful lot like him.

  54. Pouzar says:

    who: Don’t get why you don’t like Trouba.

    I do like Trouba. When the Jets drafted him I was like “F^CK”. They may gotten the best D-Man in the draft.

  55. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: He’s actually been pretty good and shows up in good spots when I’ve been doing my Dman stuff.

    He’s played 50% of his time with Stuart and doing very well there vs 3rd pairing and is not a drag when he moves up the roster.

    I don’t publish anything on him because he’s not a first pairing target or a 2/3 pairing who plays PP, but I see his results when running my stuff for everyone else.

    He’s the goods.

    I am getting the info from season ticket holders. One in particular that has forgotten more about hockey than I will ever know and I trust his opinion. His words were “When I see Myers, that’s what I hope Trouba becomes.” Trouba is playing with Stuart for a reason. He is behind Buff/Myers. No shame in that but he has not progressed since season 1. From my few live viewings last year I haven’t been impressed.

    And there is the Big Elephant in the room that I won’t speak of.

    We’ll disagree on Trouba.

  56. russ99 says:

    Pescador,

    The projected cap space on General Fanager is $9,238,835. And that doesn’t include Ference on LTIR, but that doesn’t kick in until the season so I suspect that Chia has that earmarked for bonuses.

  57. Frank the dog says:

    Shau-co: That doesn’t mean he was shopped. If they were working on the New Jersey deal, I would except them to explore other options. As many as possible before finalizing

    Fair nuff. Due diligence then.

  58. Clay says:

    This team could use ’06 Mike Peca. Veteran RHC, all situations, allows Drai to move RW, which pushes Pullyou to the minors. Can play point on the PP, so makes the blueline more palatable as is. When Drai is ready for C duties, he can play his RW and help with draws, or become the best 4line C imagineable and moves up when injuries happen.

    Dare to dream.

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