THE FOURTH ROUND (2016 UPDATE)

If you are the person who gets angry about your favorite NHL team missing in the fourth round, put down the bong. By the fourth round, NHL teams are drafting players with an 18.9% chance of playing 100 NHL games. Oilers fourth-round picks who have exceeded 100 games this century: Tobias Rieder (154 NHL games) and Chris VandeVelde (197 NHL games). The fourth is the period where distant bells should be reasonable selections. The top three rounds (in most years) should house the quality CHL, NCAA, European league kids—and the exceptional players from tier two leagues (Jost, Fabbro, et cetera).

I’m hopeful we can have a rational conversation about the Edmonton Oilers in the fourth round 2008-15. No grand statements on either side, no claims of victory, just an honest assessment of the way things are, the good and bad arrows, and a discussion in regard to useful players coming out of this area of the draft. In order to do this, we absolutely have to agree on some things:

  • We can’t judge a drafted player weeks after his selection.
  • We can count arrows, and they are a good indicator.
  • We cannot expect all of the picks to succeed, that isn’t reasonable.
  • We have come to some kind of conclusion about a line in the sand and agree to it (the Cullen grades, 18.9% chance for fourth-round selections)

OILERS FOURTH ROUND 2008-2016

  • 2008: Johan Motin (Kevin Lowe) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2009: Kyle Bigos (Steve Tambellini) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2009: Toni Rajala (Steve Tambellini) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2010: Jeremie Blain (Steve Tambellini) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2011: Dillon Simpson (Steve Tambellini) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2011: Tobias Rieder (Steve Tambellini) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2012: Erik Gustafsson (Steve Tambellini) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2013: Jackson Houck (Craig MacTavish) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2013: Kyle Platzer (Craig MacTavish) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2013: Aidan Muir (Craig MacTavish) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2014: William Lagesson (Craig MacTavish) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2014: Zach Nagelvoort (Craig MacTavish) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2015: Caleb Jones (Peter Chiarelli) (Bob Green)

The Oilers’ scouts have in fact identified some useful players in this round, but the general managers have been unable to sign them. I think blame should be placed at the feet of management, although often you will see it deflected with comments suggesting the player refused to sign. A reasonable response is why? Why do these prospects refuse to sign? If the answer is the organization is perceived as being unwinning, then it becomes vital to turn around perceptions. Schnell.

2016 SUMMER (NHL GAMES PLAYED)

  1. Tobias Rieder 154
  2. Erik Gustafsson 41
  3. Johan Motin 1

Rieder reached the Cullen line in 2015-16, marking the first in this group to do it—joining Chris VandeVelde and Liam Reddox in this century. Linus Omark fell short (79 games) but I would include him as a successful selection.

ARROWS

  • Productive in Europe: Johan Motin, Toni Rajala
  • “It’s Over” arrows: Kyle Bigos, Jeremie Blain, Jackson Houck
  • Bad arrows: Aidan Muir, Zach Nagelvoort
  • Lukewarm arrows: Kyle Platzer
  • Good arrows: Dillon Simpson, William Lagesson
  • Very good arrows: Erik Gustafsson, Caleb Jones
  • Made the grade, bona fide: Tobias Rieder

ONE BY ONE

  1. D Johan Motin: A big, stay-at-home defenseman who got into one NHL game before establishing himself in Sweden. He has now played 288 SHL games and another 50 in that league’s playoffs. I rank that as a successful selection.
  2. D Kyle Bigos: Big defenseman with speed issues, Oilers traded him right before losing his rights. As a pro, Bigos (who is a very big man) has played 8 AHL and 102 ECHL games—and he played for the Edinburgh Capitals in 2015-16.
  3. R Toni Rajala: Skilled Finn has scored everywhere they put him, including SM-Liiga, SHL, KHL and AHL. Posted another strong year in Sweden in 2015-16 and will now try his luck in Switzerland for the coming year.
  4. D Jeremie Blain: 61 AHL games and 147 ECHL games so far, he played in both leagues during the 2015-16 season. He has size, is 24, and remains in North American pro hockey, but he is looking for a contract heading into the fall.
  5. D Dillon Simpson: He is now 128 games into his AHL career, with another year to go in his entry level deal. Simpson has made slow and steady progress since his draft day and may land in the NHL at some point in the coming years. Definitely under the radar as a prospect.
  6. R Tobias Rieder:  He’s a versatile player, has terrific speed, can penalty kill and has skill. A very nice young NHL player.
  7. D Erik Gustafsson: Two-way defender established himself as a useful player in the SHL, signed with Chicago last summer and made it into half of their games. It looks like he has an NHL future.
  8. R Jackson Houck: Signed an AHL deal with the San Antonio Rampage (Colorado Avalanche farm). He played as an overager in junior last year scoring 20 goals and 50 points—something he did for four years in a row in the WHL.
  9. C Kyle Platzer: Has now played 52 AHL regular-season games and has 20 points. No screaming hell, but a better number than many Oilers F prospects in recent seasons (Jujhar Khaira had 10 points in his first 51 AHL games). Platzer has a two-way reputation, we will know more in a year.
  10. L Aidan Muir: Big college forward went the wrong way in his second NCAA season. Eight points in 35 games means he is either not playing much or getting lots of icetime but not scoring. Neither is a good answer.
  11. D William Lagesson: Defensive defenseman with good size and mobility. He played very well for Sweden at the WJs—he played a major role—but his college numbers look just average.
  12. G Zach Nagelvoort: In his three college seasons, the SPs have fallen from .929 to .906 to .893. Final college season straight ahead.
  13. D Caleb Jones: Posted a strong Draft+1 season, impressing with his offense. Size, mobility and (increasingly) some offensive ability. Signed by the Oilers, one more year of junior to come.

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50 Responses to "THE FOURTH ROUND (2016 UPDATE)"

  1. Richard S.S. says:

    I am amazed at the amount of talent, past the first round, the Oilers have picked under Chiarelli the last two years. Where was the Oilers prior to this? They could have done better blindfolded throwing darts at the Board.

  2. Woogie63 says:

    The Oilers look like they have some fantastic contracts in some really important position. When you look at the top three centres, top 4 dman and starting goalie (the back bone of the team, how do we compare against the 2015-16 top 10 NHL teams? The cumulative of the salaries for those positions;

    Cap friendly (no bonuses)

    Edmonton – $29.5M (40% of our cap)

    Washington – $37.3M
    Dallas – $35.5M
    St. Louis – $34.5M
    Pittsburg – $37.6 (Murray in goal and $42.7M with Fluery in goal)
    Chicago – $42.0 M
    Anaheim – $35.1 M
    Florida $34.7 M
    L.A. – $39.8 M
    NYR – $37.1 M
    NYI – $36.3 M

    top 10 range from 47% -59% of their cap on these positions

  3. Ducey says:

    I see Jackson Houck was at COL orientation camp this week as an invite.

    http://avalanche.nhl.com/v2/ext/Avalanche%20Press%20Box/Rosters/2016-17/DEVELOPMENT%20CAMP%20ROSTER-WEB.pdf

    So it might not be “Over” for him. Youneverknow.

  4. lynn says:

    Eric Veilleux, who was the coach of the Norfolk Admirals last season, has been named head coach of the San Antonio Rampage, Colorado’s AHL team.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Rick-Sadowski/Veilleux-named-Rampage-coach/188/78022

  5. Stud Muffin says:

    Aiden Muir had shoulder surgery. That’s what happens with him.

  6. Clay says:

    The drafting of stay at home dmen needs to stop.

  7. Wonder Llama says:

    I don’t usually bitch for the sake of bitching, but…

    One of the low points of the last few years (and there were so many) was Dec. 1, 2014 watching Tobias Rieder score TWO short-handed goals in under a minute as the mighty Yotes beat the Oil 5-2. But at least we got Kale Kessy who never played an NHL game and almost certainly never will.

    End of bitching (everybody knows this already – don’t know why I bothered).

  8. Diesel says:

    In my infinite observational wisdom, I surmise that the biggest obstacle facing NHL hopefuls is the ability to skate at an NHL level. Many players have given themselves an opportunity for a (good/long) career by possessing elite wheels; often letting this attribute outshine other faults. Perhaps a player such as Jason Chimera would be a good example.

    Sort of makes you wonder why an on-ice component is not part of the draft combine. After all, skating is not the same as running. I’m surprised teams don’t push for standardized skating tests the way NFL prospects provide 40-yard sprint results. From an organizational perspective, especially as it pertains to identifying serviceable later round picks, this information seems vital to identifying players who at least have the foundation necessary to play the NHL game.

  9. Centre of attention says:

    Wonder Llama:
    I don’t usually bitch for the sake of bitching, but…

    One of the low points of the last few years (and there were so many) was Dec. 1, 2014 watching Tobias Rieder score TWO short-handed goals in under a minute as the mighty Yotes beat the Oil 5-2. But at least we got Kale Kessy who never played an NHL game and almost certainly never will.

    End of bitching (everybody knows this already – don’t know why I bothered).

    You actually just ruined my night. Lol, I’m kidding but really no need to twist that knife. *grimace*

  10. spoiler says:

    If Platzer can multiply his points next season by the same factor JuJube did his this season, we might be talking about a very good arrow indeed. Strikes me as a thinker on the ice too.

  11. Ryan says:

    Okay, I’ll put my DSF hat on. The forth round is such a wasteland for talent that it’s not like our rivals to the south find top pairing defensemen and wingers like Brodie and Gaudreau. Oh wait..

  12. Lowetide says:

    Ryan:
    Okay, I’ll put my DSF hat on.The forth round is such a wasteland for talent that it’s not like our rivals to the south find top pairing defensemen and wingers like Brodie and Gaudreau.Oh wait..

    I would suggest luck has a lot to do with any fourth-round success. Oilers fourth rounders Anderson, Kurri and TIkkanen in a five year period probably the ultimate example.

  13. Alpine says:

    I think Rieder saw Eberle and Yakupov ahead of him and wouldn’t sign here so he could get more ice time somewhere else.

    As much as the Oilers could have acted like they wanted him more (they likely wanted to sign him anyways), they decided to get an asset for him before he re-entered the draft. A bad asset at that.

    Unfortunate situation, but at least it worked out for the player.

  14. Alpine says:

    Ryan:
    Okay, I’ll put my DSF hat on.The forth round is such a wasteland for talent that it’s not like our rivals to the south find top pairing defensemen and wingers like Brodie and Gaudreau.Oh wait..

    The first round was a wasteland for the Flames for a few years there. 2005-2012 got them one solid NHLer in Backlund, a couple tweeners in Baertschi and Erixon, and then Nemisz, Pelech, Irving, who didn’t make it at all. Jankowski is still up in the air but likely won’t be an impact player.

  15. Centre of attention says:

    spoiler:
    If Platzer can multiply his points next season by the same factor JuJube did his this season, we might be talking about a very good arrow indeed.Strikes me as a thinker on the ice too.

    I love Platzer too.

    Maybe I just like right-shot centers with two-way acumen.

  16. Richard S.S. says:

    The Oilers are now a Cap-Conscious Team with possible major problem surfacing.

    They must send Puljujarvi, Nurse, Reinhart, Caggiula and Slepyshev down to the AHL when the season starts or they will be Cap-tight. Everyone that stays up limits further Oiler moves.

    Dollars out must equal or exceed what comes in, the Oilers no longer have any options. Trading Hall and signing Lucic were a wash moneywise. Acquiring Larsson, Klefbom’s raise and the Bonuses eat up the rest of the available Cap Space.

    Center Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6.0 MM), Defenseman Brandon Davidson ($1.425 MM) and the 2017 1st are the Oilers’ biggest trade assets, but worth as much or more to the Oilers themselves. Peter Chiarelli will trade one or more of these pieces if he feels the need is there; if he feels this asset must be acquired. Acquisitions after this year will be much, much harder.

    Benoit Pouliot, Darnell Nurse, the 2017 3rd and the 2018 picks all have value which Chiarelli will use at need. Nail Yakupov has very minor trade value and may never gain more. All-in-all that’s a lot of value to work with.

    Adam Larsson was never discussed as an RHD that might be acquired. Chiarelli wants a puck-moving RHD if at all possible. What makes us think we know who he’s after?

  17. sliderule says:

    Lowetide: I would suggest luck has a lot to do with any fourth-round success. Oilers fourth rounders Anderson, Kurri and TIkkanen in a five year period probably the ultimate example.

    The belief that it was luck shared by Stu is why the oilers have drafted so poorly.

    Teams with good scouts relying on analytics and good scouts consistently have picked up late round gems

    The oilers relying on drafting sons of friends and acquaintances have mostly dogs.

    The occasional good pick like Reider they pissed away.

  18. Aron_S says:

    Ducey,

    Hey Ducey, saw your reply re: Markstrom and it’s a fair comment. My concern if I was a YVR fan is that he’s never had a season over 32 games played and I’ve never felt he was a starter, but a 1B backup in the mold of a Manny Fernandez.

    That said, it looks like his EVSP was decent to good at .919 in 1470 minutes at 5v5 (Talbot was .921 in 2500 minutes), so there’s a good chance I’m wrong. I’m simply surprised they’d commit to that kind of coin and term when he hasn’t played a starter’s role and they have the new goaltending equipment coming out.

  19. Ducey says:

    Stud Muffin:
    Aiden Muir had shoulder surgery. That’s what happens with him.

    A born Oiler!

  20. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: I would suggest luck has a lot to do with any fourth-round success. Oilers fourth rounders Anderson, Kurri and TIkkanen in a five year period probably the ultimate example.

    It does seem sometimes like certain teams have draft-round-blindspots.

    I’m currently working on something for FN that looks at the Flames in the 2nd round and let me say, it isn’t pretty. In fact, one could easily make the argument that the team had greater success during those seasons where Sutter traded away those picks for actual, live, NHL players rather than taking a chance on the Hunter Smiths and Mason MacDonalds of the draft.

    Seems like the Oilers have had a blind spot for the 3rd round in years’ past.

  21. stush18 says:

    spoiler:
    If Platzer can multiply his points next season by the same factor JuJube did his this season, we might be talking about a very good arrow indeed.Strikes me as a thinker on the ice too.

    Ya I wish they would stop signing AHL “vets” to help coach the kids. It really takes away from their time, and I think it should stop.

    Easy to forget he put up 81 points in 60 games once he was traded away from a deep London team in junior.

    If he gets ice time this year I can see a JJ explosion. We need to give them at bats tho, on the pp, PK, and late in the game.

  22. Ryan says:

    Alpine: The first round was a wasteland for the Flames for a few years there. 2005-2012 got them one solid NHLer in Backlund, a couple tweeners in Baertschi and Erixon, and then Nemisz, Pelech, Irving, who didn’t make it at all. Jankowski is still up in the air but likely won’t be an impact player.

    2008. In a redraft, you take Brodie (4rth) over Eberle (1st rd) and it’s not even close.

    2009. The Oilers had the 10th over all pick and selected a guy who sailed thru waivers last year. Calgary had worse draft position/less picks and didn’t find a player.

    2010. The Oilers draft Hall #1 ov. Flames don’t have a pick until the 3rd round and Flame out. The Oilers have 11 picks in total and only grab Marincin whom they later parlay into a 4rth round pick. The Oilers grab the lesser of the two available #1 ov and find little else with their ten other draft picks.

    2011. The Oilers draft Nuge number 1 ov. You’re lying if you wouldn’t take Johnny hockey instead in a redraft. Klefbomb is a vastly superior pick to Baertschi and found six spots later.

    2012. The Oilers have the vastly superior picks and neither team makes out well.

    2013. Calgary gets the better 1st round pick and takes full advantage. Monohan is sturdier and better than the Nuge. The Oilers misfire and select Nurse instead of Ristolainen. Buffalo later declines a trade of Hall for Ristolainen.

    2014. The Oilers have draft position and take the early lead with Draisatl over Bennet.

    Considering the Oilers had vastly superior draft position and several more picks… Plus they had the #1 ov x3, this is at the very least much closer than it should be.

    Would you take Brodie, Gadreau, Monohan, and Bennet

    Or Hall, Nuge, Klefbomb, and Draisatl?

    Brodie is better than Klefbomb. Healthier too.

    Monohan is healthier and better than the Nuge.

    The past two seasons, Gaudreau has schooled Hall.

    Draisatl has the early lead on Bennet, but he was zoomed by Hall.

    Now I take off my DSF hat…

  23. thehop says:

    Ryan,

    Take it off and don’t you EVER put it on again….

    Interesting take man… The five year rule applies here though on some of your points…

    So yeah take the hat… Put it in the closet and I’ll see you again two years from now

  24. thehop says:

    That acronym has a Voldemort quality to it… Or is it just me

  25. frjohnk says:

    Ryan: 2008. In a redraft, you take Brodie (4rth)over Eberle (1st rd) and it’s not even close.

    2009.The Oilers had the 10th over all pick and selected a guy who sailed thru waivers last year.Calgary had worse draft position/less picks and didn’t find a player.

    2010. The Oilers draft Hall #1 ov.Flames don’t have a pick until the 3rd round and Flame out.The Oilers have 11 picks in total and only grab Marincin whom they later parlay into a 4rth round pick.The Oilers grab the lesser of the two available #1 ov and find little else with their ten other draft picks.

    2011. The Oilers draft Nuge number 1 ov.You’re lying if you wouldn’t take Johnny hockey instead in a redraft. Klefbomb is a vastly superior pick to Baertschi and found six spots later.

    2012. The Oilers have the vastly superior picks and neither team makes out well.

    2013. Calgary gets the better 1st round pick and takes full advantage.Monohan is sturdier and better than the Nuge.The Oilers misfire and select Nurse instead of Ristolainen.Buffalo later declines a trade of Hall for Ristolainen.

    2014.The Oilers have draft position and take the early lead with Draisatl over Bennet.

    Considering the Oilers had vastly superior draft position and several more picks…Plus they had the #1 ov x3, this is at the very least much closer than it should be.

    Would you take Brodie, Gadreau, Monohan, and Bennet

    Or Hall, Nuge, Klefbomb, and Draisatl?

    Brodie is better than Klefbomb.Healthier too.

    Monohan is healthier and better than the Nuge.

    The past two seasons, Gaudreau has schooled Hall.

    Draisatl has the early lead on Bennet, but he was zoomed by Hall.

    Now I take off my DSF hat…

    McDavid *drops mic*

  26. Richard S.S. says:

    This was Peter Chiarelli’s second Draft. In his first Draft, the Oilers win the Draft Lottery, and a generational Player drops into his lap. That let’s him use the only truly valuable assets he had, draft picks in a very strong draft year to acquire what he needed. Considering his second pick wasn’t until #117, I thought they drafted exceptionally well. In his second Draft, in a weaker field, the Oilers lost the lottery – falling from 2nd to 4th. He almost trades the #4 pick, but realises a windfall is going to fall into his lap and pulls out of any deals. I think he accidentally but intentionally got lucky when the best draft pick fell to #4. A plug-and-play RHW opened up options for him. Then he had another exceptional draft. I can’t wait to see what’s next years’ picks.

  27. Richard S.S. says:

    Prior to the Chiarelli drafts, even 1st overall picks aren’t a 100 % success. Any picks after that pick only succeeded despite being how bad a pick it really was. In any Draft, the top 100 usually have the best success rate, but you really have to know your stuff.. It’s when you go outside this group in the first three rounds that luck becomes paramount, then you have to be even better. Sometimes I think a blindfolded monkey could have more success throwing dart at the Board.

  28. OilersFuture says:

    Alpine:
    I think Rieder saw Eberle and Yakupov ahead of him and wouldn’t sign here so he could get more ice time somewhere else.

    As much as the Oilers could have acted like they wanted him more (they likely wanted to sign him anyways), they decided to get an asset for him before he re-entered the draft. A bad asset at that.

    Unfortunate situation, but at least it worked out for the player.

    My theory is that – I think that Rieder knocked it out of the park in this +1 year (84 points in 60 games) the Oiler’s DID NOT offer him an ELC. He then has another year in the CHL without a contract and has an average year (56 points in 52 games) and likely doesn’t feel valued by the organization, so he decides that he would prefer to play for another organization either via trade or re-enter the draft.

    Since that pick the organization has been quick to sign Bear, Jones, Chase after solid +1 draft years.

  29. Centre of attention says:

    Prayers for Dallas tonight. Reports of sniper fire. 2 marksmen positioned high on buildings. 10 officers shot, 3 dead more in critical condition.

    This world doesn’t have enough love.

  30. Genjutsu says:

    Ryan: 2008. In a redraft, you take Brodie (4rth)over Eberle (1st rd) and it’s not even close.

    2009.The Oilers had the 10th over all pick and selected a guy who sailed thru waivers last year.Calgary had worse draft position/less picks and didn’t find a player.

    2010. The Oilers draft Hall #1 ov.Flames don’t have a pick until the 3rd round and Flame out.The Oilers have 11 picks in total and only grab Marincin whom they later parlay into a 4rth round pick.The Oilers grab the lesser of the two available #1 ov and find little else with their ten other draft picks.

    2011. The Oilers draft Nuge number 1 ov.You’re lying if you wouldn’t take Johnny hockey instead in a redraft. Klefbomb is a vastly superior pick to Baertschi and found six spots later.

    2012. The Oilers have the vastly superior picks and neither team makes out well.

    2013. Calgary gets the better 1st round pick and takes full advantage.Monohan is sturdier and better than the Nuge.The Oilers misfire and select Nurse instead of Ristolainen.Buffalo later declines a trade of Hall for Ristolainen.

    2014.The Oilers have draft position and take the early lead with Draisatl over Bennet.

    Considering the Oilers had vastly superior draft position and several more picks…Plus they had the #1 ov x3, this is at the very least much closer than it should be.

    Would you take Brodie, Gadreau, Monohan, and Bennet

    Or Hall, Nuge, Klefbomb, and Draisatl?

    Brodie is better than Klefbomb.Healthier too.

    Monohan is healthier and better than the Nuge.

    The past two seasons, Gaudreau has schooled Hall.

    Draisatl has the early lead on Bennet, but he was zoomed by Hall.

    Now I take off my DSF hat…

    So when LT said:

    “I’m hopeful we can have a rational conversation about the Edmonton Oilers in the fourth round 2008-15. No grand statements on either side, no claims of victory, just an honest assessment of the way things are, the good and bad arrows, and a discussion in regard to useful players coming out of this area of the draft.”

    You decided that doesn’t apply to you then?

  31. Centre of attention says:

    Someone wearing a flack jacket has been detained.

  32. Centre of attention says:

    Rondo:
    Centre of attention,

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/07/breaking-multiple-police-officers-shot-in-dallas-texas-during-protest-march/#more-118408

    Yes, watching the press conference with the Dallas Police chief. There is the threat of a bomb in down town Dallas.

    Prayers people. This is going to get worse before it gets better.

  33. thehop says:

    Centre of attention,

    I don’t pray but thanks for the update……

    How bout them Oilers.

  34. Lowetide says:

    Such a sad day. I love America, feels hopeless.

  35. JimmyV1965 says:

    Hey guys. I’m not trying to be a smart ass, but can anyone here cite a few examples in history of elite players like Hall being traded for lesser players who fill a need. Might make me feel a little better about the deal, just to know it’s worked out in the past. I can’t escape his nagging feeling that bad things happen when you trade players for 75 cents.

  36. JimmyV1965 says:

    Sorry. Didn’t read rhe Dallas posts before I asked my question. Seems kinda silly now.

  37. Lowetide says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Hey guys. I’m not trying to be a smart ass, but can anyone here cite a few examples in history of elite players like Hall being traded for lesser players who fill a need. Might make me feel a little better about the deal, just to know it’s worked out in the past. I can’t escape his nagging feeling that bad things happen when you trade players for 75 cents.

    Hi Jimmy, traditionally if you trade the best player in a deal then you are not going to win a trade. there are examples of deals like it in the past, usually involving several pieces. This was a different kind of trade—one for one—somewhat similar to James van Riemsdyk for Luke Schenn—and for the most part the team getting the better offensive player will be viewed as the winner.

    Edmonton got themselves into a hole, and PC had to blast his way out. I am not suggesting it was a good deal, or even the best deal, but it was a deal they had to make at some level imo.

  38. Centre of attention says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Sorry. Didn’tread rhe Dallas posts before I asked my question. Seems kinda silly now.

    Not silly at all man. Maybe its best we change the subject. What more is there to say? So sad.

  39. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide,

    If Larsson turns into Luke Schenn I might have a stroke.

    Larsson’s got better arrows than Schenn did at the same age, no? At least from what I’ve been reading.

  40. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention:
    Lowetide,

    If Larsson turns into Luke Schenn I might have a stroke.

    Larsson’s got better arrows than Schenn did at the same age, no? At least from what I’ve been reading.

    Oh sure, just using that trade as an example. Larsson is a far better player.

  41. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: Oh sure, just using that trade as an example. Larsson is a far better player.

    It was an interesting comparable to say the least. I was quite concerned for a moment haha. Though I guess it is to scale because Hall is also better than JvR.

  42. Centre of attention says:

    According to police, protesters had spotted the shooters trying escape the scene and played a key part in capturing the suspects. 2 men are now in custody. Let us hope there is peace for Dallas finally.

  43. oilswell says:

    “In order to do this, we absolutely have to agree on some things”

    OK now it’s perfect and makes more sense, and I can agree. “What did they get”, not “how did they draft”.

    These retrospectives are wonderful, but I wonder if there is a way to add a little more context to these evaluations. The third round and later are filled with tons and tons of failures: looking through the abysmal record of the league and allegedly excellent drafting teams is illuminating. By looking at Edmonton drafts only it’s hard to see the bigger picture.

  44. Electro says:

    JimmyV1965,

    It might not make you feel any better, but Calgary shipped out Brett Hull for Rob Ramage and Rick Wamsley.
    Flames won their cup that year.

  45. srisribillyg says:

    Long-time lurker, infrequent poster… thanks LT, as always, for the long-term look backs and clear headedness about judging drafts. I was wondering if anyone has already aggregated all of the games-played data on a per-team basis, using the Cullen line-in-the-sand, to see where the Oilers sit against the rest of the league? If so, I would appreciate it if someone could point me in the right direction.

    One of the things that has popped out to me in this series is how many players have had success *after* they’ve left the Oilers organisation. If I ever actually had more than about five minutes of down time (father of two girls, aged three and seven here) I would love to look at this on a per-team basis, to see just how good/bad/whatever the Oilers have been at developing prospects and seeing them through to the NHL as Oilers, as opposed to Coyotes, Black Hawks, etc.

    Thanks for the series. Looking forward to RE!

  46. srisribillyg says:

    Oh hey, one more thing: no sail on, Wexford Raider? Really hope he sticks with the big club in Jersey. I mean, what is Taylor Hall going to eat?

  47. Professor Q says:

    Tkatchuk signs his deal with Calgary; he’s going to be quite the player, folks, and an annoyance for Edmonton.

  48. Lowetide says:

    oilswell:
    “In order to do this, we absolutely have to agree on some things”

    OK now it’s perfect and makes more sense, and I can agree. “What did they get”, not “how did they draft”.

    These retrospectives are wonderful, but I wonder if there is a way to add a little more context to these evaluations. The third round and later are filled with tons and tons of failures: looking through the abysmal record of the league and allegedly excellent drafting teams is illuminating. By looking at Edmonton drafts only it’s hard to see the bigger picture.

    All of the studies I have read in regard to ALL teams in the NHL suggests late-round success is random. I think the lesson for Edmonton is they should not trade their Satans and they should sign their Rieders.

  49. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide: I would suggest luck has a lot to do with any fourth-round success. Oilers fourth rounders Anderson, Kurri and TIkkanen in a five year period probably the ultimate example.

    This is a great point & a supreme example.

    Note: in that same 5-year period 1979-83 Oilers also drafted Jaroslav Pouzar in the fourth round. He had way less tread on the tires than those other guys, but enough to contribute to three Stanley Cup wins. The four 4th rounders combined earned a startling 17 Cup rings in Edmonton & a couple more in Manhatten.

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