THE FIFTH ROUND (2016 EDITION)

Fifth-round picks have a 14.9% chance of turning into NHL players (expressed as ‘playing 100 games’) and this is the real lottery area. The one fifth-round success since the turn of the century was overager Jussi Markkanen.

I’m hopeful we can have a rational conversation about the Edmonton Oilers in the fifth round 2008-16. No grand statements on either side, no claims of victory, just an honest assessment of the way things are, the good and bad arrows, and a discussion in regard to useful players coming out of this area of the draft. In order to do this, we absolutely have to agree on some things:

  • We can’t judge a drafted player weeks after his selection.
  • We can count arrows, and they are a good indicator.
  • We cannot expect all of the picks to succeed, that isn’t reasonable.
  • We have come to some kind of conclusion about a line in the sand and agree to it (the Cullen grades)

OILERS FIFTH ROUND PICKS 2008-2016

  • 2008: Phil Cornet (Kevin Lowe) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2009: Olivier Roy (Steve Tambellini) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2010: Tyler Bunz (Steve Tambellini) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2011: Martin Gernat (Steve Tambellini) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2012: Joey Laleggia (Steve Tambellini) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2013: Evan Campbell (Craig MacTavish) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2014: Liam Coughlin (Craig MacTavish) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2015: Ethan Bear (Peter Chiarelli) (Bob Green)
  • 2016: Dylan Wells (Peter Chiarelli) (Bob Green)
  • 2016: Graham McPhee (Peter Chiarelli) (Bob Green)

The fifth round is an abandoned drive-in for the Oilers, not much shaking since 2008. The most promising players are either recently drafted or in their entry-level deal—there are no players in this group who look like a threat to play 82 NHL games in the coming year.

2015 SUMMER (NHL GAMES PLAYED)

  1. Phil Cornet 2
  2. Tyler Bunz 1

ARROWS

  • Productive in Europe/AHL: Phil Cornet
  • “It’s Over” arrows: Olivier Roy, Tyler Bunz, Martin Gernat, Liam Coughlin
  • Bad arrows: Evan Campbell
  • Lukewarm arrows: Joey Laleggia
  • Good arrows:
  • Very good arrows: Ethan Bear
  • New arrows: Dylan Wells, Graham McPhee

ONE BY ONE

  • L Phil Cornet: Close to 300 AHL games before he headed for Norway last fall. A productive season in the ice and snow won him a job in Finland for the coming year. Per 82 AHL games, he went 19-22-41—that is a tweener for sure, but a decent fifth-round selection.
  • G Olivier Roy: He played in Slovenia and is off to Austria for the coming year. Roy peaked in the AHL, where he played 44 games.
  • G Tyler Bunz: Played only eight AHL games during his entry-level deal. He made it to the NHL for one game, and did not play this past season. Had some injury issues and at least one moment that is still genuinely scary to read.
  • D Martin Gernat: Played 138 games in the AHL before heading back home, he will play with Sparta Praha in the Czech league (so it isn’t home, as he is Slovak). He was a fine junior, and posted a strong AHL rookie season. I hope he finds success with the Atlantic crossing.
  • D Joey Laleggia: He had a decent rookie season at the pro level, finishing No. 12 among rookie defenders (63gp, 8-19-27). That is cheating a little, he played forward for a little while. Laleggia has all kinds of hurdles—Oesterle looks like a better player across the board, the Leftorium is crushing, but all he can do is perform—and he did, as a rookie pro.
  • L Evan Campbell: Enjoyed a strong season in the NCAA age 21 (34GP, 12-15-27) but did not follow it up at 22 (28gp, 5-7-12). His final college season begins this fall and he will be 24 when he hangs up the skates in the spring. A strong senior year could help his hockey career.
  • C Liam Coughlin: Finally got to play college hockey, and he wasn’t bad at all. Went 35gp, 3-9-12 with Vermont and has a chance to move up the depth chart in 2016-17.
  • D Ethan Bear: Enjoyed a strong offensive season in the WHL, including a terrific year on the power play. Went 69gp, 19-46-65 and then added 22 more points in 18 playoff contests. He has work to do—mobility, reading the play—but he is a good passer and has a terrific shot.
  • G Dylan Wells: He had a poor year but is generally regarded in the industry as a good prospect. Cannot wait to see if he posts a .920 or an .870 SP this coming season.
  • L Graham McPhee: Pronman likes him, that is a good arrow.

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98 Responses to "THE FIFTH ROUND (2016 EDITION)"

  1. Bar_Qu says:

    Huh, that’s weird. For some reason I had a better opinion of the fifth round than this. I think because I was confusing Caleb Jones’ round selection and thought highly of Gernat right to the bitter end.

    Death Valley indeed.

    The good news is Ethan (Nathan?) Bear is coming from this round and will make us all better men. The pride of the Ochapowace Nation!

  2. leadfarmer says:

    I like the Wells pick. 5th round is a crap shoot. Might as well swing for the fences. Either he is an excellent prospect or we drafted another Bouchard. At least we should know fairly quick

  3. Richard S.S. says:

    How successful have the Oilers been with drafting Goalies? I seem to recall moaning, groaning, gnashing of teeth and nonsense about voodoo whenever the subject is brought up. Maybe it’s time to do it differently.

  4. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bob Green….That Magnificient …..guy.

    Newbie here wading in the shallow end of the analytics pool . Can someone help me understand “if Quality of Competition(Qual Comp) is the ice time-weighted average of a player’s opponents’ Corsi number relative to his teammates. How is the division into 3rds created (1st 2nd 3rd) who does this work? Do you guys go the analytics sites like War on Ice to get this info? That seems like a massive amount of data capture is required. Who is doing this data capture?

    When you reference Nurse as 3rd Qaul Comp does that come from compiled data? Does it mean he faced 3rd Qual Comp >50% of his time on ice? Or are you making a subjective ranking based on what you observe?

  5. Doug McLachlan says:

    So where does Enroth finally land and for what?

    Curious if Gustufson is the plan or the back-up plan? Florida signed Berra and then Reimer so perhaps the same option available to the Oil.

    Know that Enroth wants to be a number one but that option may need to wait for Vegas. Really concerned about a Talbot injury derailing the season.

  6. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Richard S.S.:
    How successful have the Oilers been with drafting Goalies?I seem to recall moaning, groaning, gnashing of teeth and nonsense about voodoo whenever the subject is brought up.Maybe it’s time to do it differently.

    Oilers hit home runs with 2 of their first 3 goalie picks, Andy Moog (713 GP) in 1980 and Grant Fuhr (868) in 1981. Since then they have drafted another 37 goalies who have combined to play just 572 NHL (regular season) games, with over half of those (298) by Devan Dubnyk, the only other guy since Fuhr to be taken in the first round. Other than that, Jussi Markkanen (128 GP) and Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers (62) are the only guys who even made it to 30 games. A few guys like Darryl Reaugh, Joaquin Gage, and Mike Morrison made it into the 20s, but not very successfully. Four other dudes played 1 or 2 games (recent example: Tyler Bunz), and 28 never got a sniff.

    So after that early Barry Fraser magic, the record is not good at all. Kind of like the Oilers’ overall drafting record, except even more extreme.

  7. Andy Dufresne says:

    I think Gustavsson is viewed as a low cost option that won’t be lost to Vegas, is a small enough dollar commitment to allow Brossoit the opportunity to compete for the role of backup, and will minimize the financial damage if some other more robust option has to be brought in mid season. I think there is a correlation in the NHL between your confidence in your Starter and the dollars you spend on a back-up

    Doug McLachlan:
    So where does Enroth finally land and for what?

    Curious if Gustufson is the plan or the back-up plan?Florida signed Berra and then Reimer so perhaps the same option available to the Oil.

    Know that Enroth wants to be a number one but that option may need to wait for Vegas. Really concerned about a Talbot injury derailing the season.

  8. dustrock says:

    leadfarmer:
    I like the Wells pick.5th round is a crap shoot.Might as well swing for the fences.Either he is an excellent prospect or we drafted another Bouchard.At least we should know fairly quick

    Agreed. It at least makes more sense than the Bouchard pick.

  9. SkatinginSand says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Oilers hit home runs with 2 of their first 3 goalie picks, Andy Moog (713 GP) in 1980 and Grant Fuhr (868) in 1981. Since then they have drafted another 37 goalies who have combined to play just 572 NHL (regular season) games, with over half of those (298) by Devan Dubnyk, the only other guy since Fuhr to be taken in the first round. Other than that, Jussi Markkanen (128 GP) and Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers (62) are the only guys who even made it to 30 games. A few guys like Darryl Reaugh, Joaquin Gage, and Mike Morrison made it into the 20s, but not very successfully.

    So after that early Barry Fraser magic, the record is not good at all. Kind of like the Oilers’ overall drafting record, except even more extreme.

    Both Dubnyk (who is the only real starting goalie drafted by the Oilers since Fuhr) and Drouin-Deslauriers were scouted by the same person, who was employed by the Oilers specifically as a goalie scout and minor league goalie coach. He was then let go, and subsequently it can be reasonably argued that Deslauriers’ development was completely botched. (The Oilers dropped their farm team at the time, and Deslauriers spent two years sitting on the bench on others teams’ AHL teams.)

    Interestingly, this person, John Stephenson, was Brayden Holtby’s Junior coach and Holtby gives him a great deal of credit for his development. We really have no idea what a disfunctional organization the Oilers have been.

  10. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Mike Morrison, what a fun name to remember. Brings back a lot of awesome memories from ’06. Remember him not starting but getting put in for the shootout and just being noticeably pissed off?

  11. JimmyV1965 says:

    Hey guys. I asked this in the last thread. If Yak goes to the KHL, what happens with his $2.5 mill cap? If I’m Chia I don’t want him on the team and I’m not trading him for a second round pick. Maybe the KHL is his best option. If he can light it up there, it will restore his trade value.

  12. Mr DeBakey says:

    The fifth round is an abandoned drive-in for the Oilers, not much shaking since 2008. The most promising players are either recently drafted or in their entry-level deal—there are no players in this group who look like a threat to play 82 NHL games in the coming year.

    The most promising player is recently drafted, and his name is Nathan Bear.
    The two picks from this year, well, I’m not going to type what I started to type. Its jut not fair.

  13. Clay says:

    Mr DeBakey:

    The most promising player is recently drafted, and his name is Nathan Bear.
    The two picks from this year, well, I’m not going to type what I started to type.Its jut not fair.

    Imagine Ethan’s surprise.

  14. Bomber14 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Hey guys. I asked this in the last thread.If Yak goes to the KHL, what happens with his $2.5 mill cap? If I’m Chia I don’t want him on the team and I’m not trading him for a second round pick. Maybe the KHL is his best option. If he can light it up there, it will restore his trade value.

    If Chiarelli can get a 2nd round pick for yak he should take it and laugh all the way to the draft. All yak cost the oilers was a pick and the way he’s played he’s not worth anything more than a pick. Everyone called hall a “cancer” but yak asks for a trade and everyone thinks he’d still be an asset to the team…. I can’t believe he’s still an oiler.

  15. Thorin says:

    “G Tyler Bunz: Played only eight AHL games during his entry-level deal. He made it to the NHL for one game, and did not play this past season. Had some injury issues and at least one moment that is still genuinely scary to read.”

    I completely forgot about Bunz’s throat injury. I remember hearing about it at the time and it struck a chord because my kids all want(ed) to be goalies. To read that he dropped the clear plastic throat protector because it got in the way, after that injury? Yeah, goalies are certifiably insane.

    About goalies, are we only looking at drafted goalies? What about a guy like Ty Conklin, never drafted but the Oilers found and signed him from college before any other team.

  16. JDï™ says:

    Thorin: I completely forgot about Bunz’s throat injury. I remember hearing about it at the time and it struck a chord

    Pun intended?

  17. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Bomber14,

    McDavid-Yak and McDavid-Eberle have nearly identical GF/60 on the ice together. Just stick Yakcity with McDavid, RNH needs Eberle on his line.

    Lucic-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov
    Maroon-Draisaitl-Kassian/Pulju

  18. sliderule says:

    Of the thirty picks taken in the fifth round there will be about three players who become useful.

    A useful player will play more than 200 games and score 25-30 points a season.

    After the second round the draft yields about the same number of useful players for each round.

    The only useful players drafted out of the sixth and seventh round will be players who have already gone through the draft previously and have shown late blooming promise.

    I would think sooner or later some head scout will figure it out.

  19. Thorin says:

    JDï™: Pun intended?

    No, didn’t even notice that.

    I’ve seen / heard of so many weird injuries to goalies, and I probably notice it more because of my family’s propensity for preferring to be in net.

  20. judgedrude says:

    Fond memories of Jussi. Most goalies who only lose 3 games in the SCF have something to show for it.

  21. Bomber14 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Bomber14,

    McDavid-Yak and McDavid-Eberle have nearly identical GF/60 on the ice together. Just stick Yakcity with McDavid, RNH needs Eberle on his line.

    Lucic-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov
    Maroon-Draisaitl-Kassian/Pulju

    Not sure why you split up maroon mcdavid and ebs. They had great chemistry to end the year. Pouliot is a 3rd liner in my eyes. Maroon was almost a point a game with connor. I’d keep them together.

  22. BONVIE says:

    Bomber14: If Chiarelli can get a 2nd round pick for yak he should take it and laugh all the way to the draft. All yak cost the oilers was a pick and the way he’s played he’s not worth anything more than a pick. Everyone called hall a “cancer” but yak asks for a trade and everyone thinks he’d still be an asset to the team…. I can’t believe he’s still an oiler.

    I agree totally if he can’t get a 3rd round pick or another flawed prospect back for Yakapov he should be buried in the minors. Even within our own organization we have so many clear upgrades that can be used on the 4th line RW rather than Yakapov, for starters Kharia could be played there on the Wing, he brings you size and a good work ethic, the often injured Tyler Pitlick brings you skating that he will put to use on both sides of the puck, lastly we just acquired Taylor Beck. Some guys here that think that Yakapov should be playing on a scoring line for the Oilers or on any line have to wake up and realize that there are two sides of a hockey game with the puck and without the puck and if you can’t play on the defensive side of the game you just can’t play in this league. Although Yakapov is the worst positional and fundamental winger I have ever seen play an NHL game. I think half the time he is trolling his coaches and in his mind he thinks if he plays poorly enough with Letetsu or Lander this year, or last year it was Draisatel that the coaches will put him on the top line where he wants to be and thinks he should be. Reality is a season on McDavids wing would result in a very large deficit of goal scoring against McDavid, who otherwise will be a plus player this year. When you play against the top lines in the NHL you have to have wingers that play the proper way and play on defense. Defense is a team issue the more you are around the game you will see that the way a team has their forwards disciplined to play both ways will dictate their overall team defense almost as much as the quality of there actual defenseman.

    Yakapov needs to be traded or buried, for this team to make any strides.

  23. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Hey guys. I asked this in the last thread.If Yak goes to the KHL, what happens with his $2.5 mill cap? If I’m Chia I don’t want him on the team and I’m not trading him for a second round pick. Maybe the KHL is his best option. If he can light it up there, it will restore his trade value.

    Yakupov is NOT going to the KHL, because he cannot earn $2.5 million US in the KHL. Also, The KHL and the NHL have also started recognizing each other’s contracts, so he can go on his own in any case.

    So the only way he can do it legally is on loan, and the Oilers are NOT going to pay Yakupov $2.5 million(less the few rubles a Russian team might pay) to play in the KHL on loan. And he would have to clear waivers.

    And if the Oilers don’t qualify him at $2.5 million next year, then he is a UFA.

    And if he went on loan, he would cost about $1.55 million on the cap instead of $2.5 million.

  24. Lowetide says:

    BONVIE: I agree totally if he can’t get a 3rd round pick or another flawed prospect back for Yakapov he should be buried in the minors. Even within our own organization we have so many clear upgrades that can be used on the 4th line RW rather than Yakapov, for starters Kharia could be played there on the Wing, he brings you size and a good work ethic, the often injured Tyler Pitlick brings you skating that he will put to use on both sides of the puck, lastly we just acquired Taylor Beck. Some guys here that think that Yakapov should be playing on a scoring line for the Oilers or on any line have to wake up and realize that there are two sides of a hockey game with the puck and without the puck and if you can’t play on the defensive side of the game you just can’t play in this league. Although Yakapov is the worst positional and fundamental winger I have ever seen play an NHL game. I think half the time he is trolling his coaches and in his mind he thinks if he plays poorly enough with Letetsu or Lander this year, or last year it was Draisatel that the coaches will put him on the top line where he wants to be and thinks he should be. Reality is a season on McDavids wing would result in a very large deficit of goal scoring against McDavid, who otherwise will be a plus player this year. When you play against the top lines in the NHL you have to have wingers that play the proper way and play on defense. Defense is a team issue the more you are around the game you will see that the way a team has their forwards disciplined to play both ways will dictate their overall team defense almost as much as the quality of there actual defenseman.

    Yakapov needs to be traded or buried, for this team to make any strides.

    I don’t agree. He IS a flawed player, but the organization is still trying to build an organization. Letting him loose is not a good idea—especially considering the team HAS an opening on skill RW. If Puljujarvi comes in and wins the job, or Caggiula, or Kassian (EXTREME long shot), then we can talk. Trading him now for low value would be a turrible move.

  25. Bomber14 says:

    Lowetide: I don’t agree. He IS a flawed player, but the organization is still trying to build an organization. Letting him loose is not a good idea—especially considering the team HAS an opening on skill RW. If Puljujarvi comes in and wins the job, or Caggiula, or Kassian (EXTREME long shot), then we can talk. Trading him now for low value would be a turrible move.

    But he asked for a trade didn’t he? Has he rescinded this request? And calling him a “skill” winger is a bit of a stretch, no? His nhl numbers say otherwise. My hope is that chiarellI can package him in a bigger deal for true checking center that can kill penalties but in my eyes his value is extremely low and if he truly wants a trade then Chiarelli should bite the bullet and get something of use for him. By my understanding the oilers owe their own 2nd rounder next year to the sharks? Perfect opportunity to replace that pick

  26. Lowetide says:

    Bomber14: But he asked for a trade didn’t he? Has he rescinded this request?And calling him a “skill” winger is a bit of a stretch, no? His nhl numbers say otherwise.My hope is that chiarellI can package him in a bigger deal for true checking center that can kill penalties but in my eyes his value is extremely low and if he truly wants a trade then Chiarelli should bite the bullet and get something of use for him. By my understanding the oilers owe their own 2nd rounder next year to the sharks? Perfect opportunity to replace that pick

    Yakupov per 82gp in the NHL has scored 36 points, Kassian 26. I understand he has been wildly disappointing, but there is value there. If Chiarelli could have gotten value for him, my guess is Yakupov would be gone by now. Bring him in, see if the coach can make things work, then make the decision.

    Oilers owe Boston their second rounder.

  27. Doug McLachlan says:

    Bomber14,

    Yak is flawed but has talent. If JP starts in the AHL you can zoom Yak with McDavid and see if the trade value improves.

  28. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: I don’t agree. He IS a flawed player, but the organization is still trying to build an organization. Letting him loose is not a good idea—especially considering the team HAS an opening on skill RW. If Puljujarvi comes in and wins the job, or Caggiula, or Kassian (EXTREME long shot), then we can talk. Trading him now for low value would be a turrible move.

    I think he was actually suggesting that we should put Yak on waivers and bury him in the Minors.

    That is perhaps an even worse idea. Turrible x 2

  29. BONVIE says:

    Lowetide: I don’t agree. He IS a flawed player, but the organization is still trying to build an organization. Letting him loose is not a good idea—especially considering the team HAS an opening on skill RW. If Puljujarvi comes in and wins the job, or Caggiula, or Kassian (EXTREME long shot), then we can talk. Trading him now for low value would be a turrible move.

    I wouldn’t put any faith in Caggiula making this squad for this year, I would think if he makes the NHL it will be from having a decent year in the AHL. I do have a belief that Kassian will play on one of the top 3 lines, he has the skill to do it and he delivered some pretty effective games last year. I noticed you never mentioned Beck but I think he was brought in to compete for an NHL job. I really like what very little I have seen of Puljujarvi, but with any other 18 year old I do not have huge expectations, if he makes the roster and has an Arnott or Hemsky season than we’re golden, but he still has to earn his spot.

    I think with the Oilers walking away from Shultz for a middling draft pick they have set the standard of what they are willing to do with parts that are just flawed and not working. Shultz is and was a lot closer to being a productive NHL player that Yakapov has ever been. He had his flaws, but most of his problems were in not being paired with a veteran, or placed in a much bigger role than he was capable of playing.

  30. Bomber14 says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Bomber14,

    Yak is flawed but has talent. If JP starts in the AHL you can zoom Yak with McDavid and see if the trade value improves.

    Weird. Everybody in hockey says puljujärvi is nhl ready, but oil country wants to start him in the minors….. if puljujärvi isn’t an oiler next year I’ll be unpleasantly surprised. And why wouldn’t you keep mcdavid and ebs together. They looked good to end the year….

  31. BONVIE says:

    Lowetide: Yakupov per 82gp in the NHL has scored 36 points, Kassian 26. I understand he has been wildly disappointing, but there is value there. If Chiarelli could have gotten value for him, my guess is Yakupov would be gone by now. Bring him in, see if the coach can make things work, then make the decision.

    Oilers owe Boston their second rounder.

    36 points playing on the PP and going what for plus minus during that time about -30. He absolutely wrecked an effective 3rd line option last year, Yakapov proved to me last year he can’t take advantage of playing against easy opposition, and cannot play against top lines. The people suggesting that McDavid play with Yakapov because he played ok there for a few games, also forget that McDavid will never ever again be matched up with 3rd lines. Without Hall McDavid will see the opposing teams top line, as well as their top pair. This is reality, with Hall the opposing teams had a decision to make, and chose Hall.

  32. Bomber14 says:

    Lowetide: Yakupov per 82gp in the NHL has scored 36 points, Kassian 26. I understand he has been wildly disappointing, but there is value there. If Chiarelli could have gotten value for him, my guess is Yakupov would be gone by now. Bring him in, see if the coach can make things work, then make the decision.

    Oilers owe Boston their second rounder.

    Not sure why you bring up Kassian. He’s a fourth liner at best. Again my hope is that nuge or draisatl are moved to the wing. My ideal 2nd line would be lucic draisatl nuge. Or nuge at center and drai on wing. Either or. But I have no idea if coach McLellan likes drai at center or wing??

  33. Centre of attention says:

    Bomber14: Not sure why you bring up Kassian.He’s a fourth liner at best. Again my hope is that nuge or draisatl are moved to the wing. My ideal 2nd line would be lucic draisatl nuge. Or nuge at center and drai on wing. Either or. But I have no idea if coach McLellan likes drai at center or wing??

    Who’s your third line center if Drai moves to the wing.

    If you tell me Lander I give up lol.

  34. stush18 says:

    I think with the signing of beck, and chia saying he never heard about yaks trade request, we are seeing the oilers trying to make it difficult for JP to play in the NHL this year.

    Ebs
    Yak
    Kass
    Pak
    Pitlick
    Beck
    Slepyshev (shoots right, plays left)

    This isn’t even counting players like salinen, khaira, yak2, or lander.I think if yak plays well early on, JP will find himself in the minors much like rantanen last year. They won’t bury him in the bottom six, they’ll give him top six minutes in the minors.

    I’m calling it, slepyshev will make the team out of camp

  35. spoiler says:

    Bomber14: Weird. Everybody in hockey says puljujärvi is nhl ready, but oil country wants to start him in the minors…..

    I don’t believe this is true… some pundit or scout said he hoped that Pujo was held back a year as he wasn’t mature enough physically (still developing) to play NHL next year. Can’t remember who though or track down the quote…

    Edit: Or it may have been our own Swedish Oil

  36. Lowetide says:

    Bomber14: Not sure why you bring up Kassian.He’s a fourth liner at best. Again my hope is that nuge or draisatl are moved to the wing. My ideal 2nd line would be lucic draisatl nuge. Or nuge at center and drai on wing. Either or. But I have no idea if coach McLellan likes drai at center or wing??

    Kassian was mentioned above as an option on a top line. I understand the frustration with Yakupov, but Puljujarvi, Kassian, Pakarinen and the rest do not offer Edmonton an obvious choice. Should JP come in and play well, we have a changed scenario.

  37. spoiler says:

    Gernat… I think we were all hoping he would be a gem in the rough.

    Had some sort of undisclosed injury last fall and missed a bunch of games. Then after the leap day trade to ANA hardly played for the Gulls.

    He has since signed with HC Sparta Praha of the Czech Republic Extraliga.

  38. Bomber14 says:

    BONVIE: I wouldn’t put any faith in Caggiula making this squad for this year, I would think if he makes the NHL it will be from having a decent year in the AHL. I do have a belief that Kassian will play on one of the top 3 lines, he has the skill to do it and he delivered some pretty effective games last year. I noticed you never mentioned Beck but I think he was brought in to compete for an NHL job. I really like what very little I have seen of Puljujarvi, but with any other 18 year old I do not have huge expectations, if he makes the roster and has an Arnott or Hemsky season than we’re golden, but he still has to earn his spot.

    I think with the Oilers walking away from Shultz for a middling draft pick they have set the standard of what they are willing to do with parts that are just flawed and not working. Shultz is and was a lot closer to being a productive NHL player that Yakapov has ever been. He had his flaws, but most of his problems were in not being paired with a veteran, or placed in a much bigger role than he was capable of playing.

    Totally agree with your take on the schultz situation last year. Why he was never tried with sekaras absolutely baffled me. And people thinking that klefbom and Larsson should be paired together next year are absolutely loony tunes. 2 guys under 25 as your top pairing will equal no playoffs. Guaranteed.

  39. Stelio Kontos says:

    Reilly looks so composed this year. And I love Odell Willis. Goofing off while the riders take a knee. Have to pick up a 41 jersey (was my number too). Can we become a football blog in the summer?

  40. Bomber14 says:

    Centre of attention: Who’s your third line center if Drai moves to the wing.

    If you tell me Lander I give up lol.

    Again, I would hope a trade would be made for a checking center that can win draws. Oilers are seriously lacking in that department. And counting out lander isn’t out of the question. He was trending up 2 years ago. It’s not a stretch to see hockey players rebound from bad years. Happens all the time.

  41. Ryan says:

    stush18:
    I think with the signing of beck, and chia saying he never heard about yaks trade request, we are seeing the oilers trying to make it difficult for JP to play in the NHL this year.

    Ebs
    Yak
    Kass
    Pak
    Pitlick
    Beck
    Slepyshev (shoots right, plays left)

    This isn’t even counting players like salinen, khaira, yak2, or lander.I think if yak plays well early on, JP will find himself in the minors much like rantanen last year. They won’t bury him in the bottom six, they’ll give him top six minutes in the minors.

    I’m calling it, slepyshev will make the team out of camp

    I’ve always found you to be a quality poster.

    Yet, I’m calling it, pool party will make the team out of camp.

  42. Bomber14 says:

    Lowetide,

    I keep forgetting about pakiranen. Another reason why yaks days SHOULD be numbered. Imo

  43. BONVIE says:

    Bomber14: Totally agree with your take on the schultz situation last year. Why he was never tried with sekaras absolutely baffled me. And people thinking that klefbom and Larsson should be paired together next year are absolutely loony tunes. 2 guys under 25 as your top pairing will equal no playoffs. Guaranteed.

    The problem with Shultz playing with Sekera is it would have put him top pairing, and he is not a top pair Dman. Edmonton lacked in the top pair spot if they had two guys that could play top pair, Sekera could bring along almost any of our Dmen in a second pair role, but Edmonton never had that option.

  44. Lowetide says:

    Bomber14:
    Lowetide,

    I keep forgetting about pakiranen.Another reason why yaks days SHOULD be numbered. Imo

    They are not applying for the same job. This reminds me of the Schremp v. Pouliot argument a decade ago.

  45. stush18 says:

    Ryan: I’ve always found you to be a quality poster.

    Yet, I’m calling it, pool party will make the team out of camp.

    I’ll clarify. I don’t think he’ll stick past his nine game tryout if yak is playing well in the top six. If yak shits the bed, all bets are off.

    And thanks. I enjoy your posts as well. It’s going to hurt just a little when we see slepyshev hammering home one timers from mcdavid 😜

  46. Bomber14 says:

    Ryan: I’ve always found you to be a quality poster.

    Yet, I’m calling it, pool party will make the team out of camp.

    I agree. Except I absolutely refuse to call puljujärvi, “pool party”. Worst nickname I’ve ever heard…….

  47. Centre of attention says:

    Bomber14: Again, I would hope a trade would be made for a checking center that can win draws. Oilers are seriously lacking in that department.And counting out lander isn’t out of the question.He was trending up 2 years ago. It’s not a stretch to see hockey players rebound from bad years. Happens all the time.

    Hoping for a trade to bring in ANOTHER checking center who can win draws (Lander and Letestu can do that just fine) is going backwards. We need a third line center who can chip in some offense.

    You then say its not a stretch for hockey players to rebound, but you write off Yak in the same breath. Slow down for a second and pick a lane.

    I think its fair to say that it’s hard to know for sure until camp. So grandiose statements about whether or not players can or cannot make the grade are kind of silly at this time of year. So is wishing for trades.

    We CAN count arrows though. And hearing recent verbal, the door has been left open for Yakupov, which is a positive arrow for sure. Fair?

  48. Bomber14 says:

    Lowetide: They are not applying for the same job. This reminds me of the Schremp v. Pouliot argument a decade ago.

    But in essence they are applying for the same job. Imo ebs is mcdavids right winger. If that’s the case, would you seriously play nuge or draisatl on the 3rd line just to give yak ANOTHER shot at top 6 duties? Especially after he asked for a trade? Not me. I’d rather see pakiranen on the 3rd line than yak. And even further I’d rather see puljujärvi on the 3rd line before pak. Good problem to have I guess

  49. BONVIE says:

    Lowetide: They are not applying for the same job. This reminds me of the Schremp v. Pouliot argument a decade ago.

    They are applying for 3rd and 4th line right wing.

  50. Centre of attention says:

    Bomber14: But in essence they are applying for the same job. Imo ebs is mcdavids right winger. If that’s the case, would you seriously play nuge or draisatl on the 3rd line just to give yak ANOTHERshot at top 6 duties? Especially afterhe asked for a trade? Not me. I’d rather see pakiranen on the 3rd line than yak. And even further I’d rather see puljujärvi on the 3rd line before pak. Good problem to have I guess

    No, you put Draisaitl third line so he can murder soft opposition and help tip the ice in the Oilers favor. Pittsburgh style.

    If your third line can keep possession in the offensive zone, your first line can hop out against maybe the enemies third line and you have a good chance at scoring.

    I agree with your premise that there are indeed lots of options or RW though. So why then do you want to move Drai there, when there are already plenty of options including Yak?

    Do you want to move Drai there merely to shove Yak off the roster? That is short sighted IMO.

  51. Acumen says:

    I think the smart play is to keep Yakupov and put him in the absolute best position to succeed. At the very least you try the pump and dump before dumping him for spare parts.

    With Lucic being McDavids number one fan and by any reasonable prognosis being brought in to look over his shoulder and cash his passes we have a top notch duo likely playing the sheltered minutes. They are looking for a RWer to ride shotgun and in limited minutes with McDavid last year, Yak shot the lights out. While I know the last couple years have done damage to his rep, it would be wise to look at his injuries last year, consider his development to this point andrre-read his draft year scouting reports. If he hits his potential, even the halfway mark, that’s an effective scorer in a top 6 role.

    Besides this, we can say without question that Yakupov is an emotional guy. Firing him out the gates with the best Center of this generation and a dude who will have his back in any conflict is the type of move that makes him feel like a welcome member of the team and does wonders for his confidence.

    This is not a player to discard. This is a player you try to unlock, and one that desperately wants the acceptance of a team, managemen, and city. Try at all costs to make him who he is.

    Dumping him now would be Miro Satan 2.0.

  52. blackadder says:

    Yakupov is a complementary player, he doesn’t drive the play but he has the talent to keep up with those that do. He also needs a lot of direction on the ice, that’s one of the reasons why he did well a couple of years ago, because he had a centre directing him. I’d like to see him with Lucic and McDavid. McDavid can get him the puck in open areas, and Lucic will tell him where he needs to be on the ice.

  53. kinger_OIL says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    I think Gustavsson is viewed as a low cost option that won’t be lost to Vegas,is a small enough dollar commitment to allow Brossoit the opportunity to compete for the role of backup, and will minimize the financial damage if some other more robust option has to be brought in mid season. I think there is a correlation in the NHL between your confidence in your Starter and the dollars you spend on a back-up

    – yeah except in terms of a back-up, on a sh$t team, they needed to aim higher.

    – especially when their starter wasn’t anything special last year

  54. Kitchener says:

    Regarding Yakupov, how about if we wait five years before deciding what he isn’t? Last time I checked, he’s had four seasons and enough coaches to fill a bus depot.

  55. Bomber14 says:

    Centre of attention: Hoping for a trade to bring in ANOTHER checking center who can win draws (Lander and Letestu can do that just fine) is going backwards. We need a third line center who can chip in some offense.

    You then say its not a stretch for hockey players to rebound, but you write off Yak in the same breath. Slow down for a second and pick a lane.

    I think its fair to say that it’s hard to know for sure until camp. So grandiose statements about whether or not players can or cannot make the grade are kind of silly at this time of year. So is wishing for trades.

    We CAN count arrows though. And hearing recent verbal, the door has been left open for Yakupov, which is a positive arrow for sure. Fair?

    I guess a door has been left open but it’s pretty early yet to say. Lots of summer left and I have picked a lane. The lane I’m in is the one where yak requested a trade and I’m sure Chiarelli is looking for the right deal to accommodate. Yak had one good half season and has been a dud since. Lander had a real good year and a great world championships 2 years ago. Yak can’t even make a bad Russian squad at said tournament. Playing him with McDavid and HOPING he plays well is like Russian roulette imo. Easy decision to part ways with him imo

  56. Bomber14 says:

    kinger_OIL: – yeah except in terms of a back-up, on a sh$t team, they needed to aim higher.

    – especially when their starter wasn’t anything special last year

    Are you saying talbot wasn’t good last year? Huh….his 2nd half and gold at the world’s would say otherwise.

  57. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: Yakupov is NOT going to the KHL, because he cannot earn $2.5 million US in the KHL.Also, The KHL andthe NHL have also started recognizing each other’s contracts, so he can go on his own in any case.

    So the only way he can do it legally is on loan, and the Oilers are NOT going to pay Yakupov $2.5 million(less the few rubles a Russian team might pay) to play in the KHL on loan.And he would have to clear waivers.

    And if the Oilers don’t qualify him at $2.5 million next year, then he is a UFA.

    And if he went on loan, he would cost about $1.55 million on the cap instead of $2.5 million

    Ouch!! That’s not good at all.

  58. Stelio Kontos says:

    Fire McKnight into the sun.

  59. Bomber14 says:

    Centre of attention: No, you put Draisaitl third line so he can murder soft opposition and help tip the ice in the Oilers favor. Pittsburgh style.

    If your third line can keep possession in the offensive zone, your first line can hop out against maybe the enemies third line and you have a good chance at scoring.

    I agree with your premise that there are indeed lots of options or RW though. So why then do you want to move Drai there, when there are already plenty of options including Yak?

    Do you want to move Drai there merely to shove Yak off the roster? That is short sighted IMO.

    I want to move drai to the wing because I want the best players on the top 2 lines. The Oilers aren’t the penguins. The Oilers were in 2nd last , last year. The penguins were a perennial playoff team. Easy to add to that. I’ll just be happy if the oilers have 2 scoring lines next year. Unlike you, I’m not expecting a stanley cup this year from a team that could barely stay ahead of a clearly tanking team in the leafs.

  60. JimmyV1965 says:

    Is Yak a UFA next year? I thought he was an RFA. What would we have to offer him for salary?

  61. Centre of attention says:

    Bomber14: I guess a door has been left open but it’s pretty early yet to say. Lots of summer left and I have picked a lane. The lane I’m in is the one where yak requested a trade and I’m sure Chiarelli is looking for the right deal to accommodate.Yak had one good half season and has been a dud since. Lander had a real good year and a great world championships 2 years ago.Yak can’t even make a bad Russian squad at said tournament.Playing him with McDavid and HOPING he plays well is like Russian roulette imo. Easy decision to part ways with him imo

    I think it’s fair to say you’re making a lot of assumptions. When the General Manager of the Oilers Entertainment Group tells me Yakupov did not request a trade, you take that into consideration.

  62. Centre of attention says:

    Stelio Kontos:
    Fire McKnight into the sun.

    *infinity face palm*

  63. Centre of attention says:

    Bomber14: I want to move drai to the wing because I want the best players on the top 2 lines. The Oilers aren’t the penguins.The Oilers were in 2nd last , last year. The penguins were a perennial playoff team.Easy to add to that. I’ll just be happy if the oilers have 2 scoring lines next year. Unlike you, I’m not expecting a stanley cup this year from a team that could barely stay ahead of a clearly tanking team in the leafs.

    Never once did I say I was expecting a cup this year. The way I see it, you can have a damn crackin’ top 6 while having one of either Nuge or Drai as 3rd line center.

  64. Lowetide says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Is Yak a UFA next year? I thought he was an RFA. What would we have to offer him for salary?

    RFA.

  65. Bomber14 says:

    Centre of attention: I think it’s fair to say you’re making a lot of assumptions. When the General Manager of the Oilers Entertainment Group tells me Yakupov did not request a trade, you take that into consideration.

    Is that just like when a gm says a coaches job is safe, then the coach is fired 2 weeks later? I’m sure Chiarelli just didn’t wanna talk about the yak situation when he had more important decisions on the go….. like trading his best player and longest serving oiler. No assumptions here. Unless you are saying the yakupov trade request aND larionovs ongoing feud with the oilers organization is all fabricated nonsense?

  66. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: RFA.

    If Larry holds out for more dough it’s over. Like over over.

  67. Centre of attention says:

    Bomber14: Is that just like when a gm says a coaches job is safe, then the coach is fired 2 weeks later? I’m sure Chiarelli just didn’t wanna talk about the yak situation when he had more important decisions on the go….. like trading his best player and longest serving oiler.No assumptions here. Unless you are saying the yakupov trade request aND larionovs ongoing feud with the oilers organization is all fabricated nonsense?

    I’m saying it’s hard to know for sure until after camp at least.

    Maybe he gets traded tomorrow. Hell if I know 🙂

  68. Stelio Kontos says:

    Centre of attention: *infinity face palm*

    At least sit him down and have a long talk about his life choices.

  69. Lowetide says:

    Bomber14: Is that just like when a gm says a coaches job is safe, then the coach is fired 2 weeks later? I’m sure Chiarelli just didn’t wanna talk about the yak situation when he had more important decisions on the go….. like trading his best player and longest serving oiler.No assumptions here. Unless you are saying the yakupov trade request aND larionovs ongoing feud with the oilers organization is all fabricated nonsense?

    You still don’t trade him for nothing. Yakupov is not a player you should trade for a third-round pick. Bring him back, play him and increase his value. At the very least he is a player who can be exposed in the expansion draft.

  70. Centre of attention says:

    Stelio Kontos: At least sit him down and have a long talk about his life choices.

    “Son, did you eat 6 pounds of extra buttery popcorn before this game?”

  71. Centre of attention says:

    Bomber14,

    Also, if I’m not mistaken Eberle is the longest serving Oiler. Drafted in 2008 and played pro before Hall was even drafted.

    Do you watch the Oilers much?

  72. Bomber14 says:

    Centre of attention:
    Bomber14,

    Also, if I’m not mistaken Eberle is the longest serving Oiler. Drafted in 2008 and played pro before Hall was even drafted.

    Do you watch the Oilers much?

    Lol. Sorry I should have said “one of” the longest serving oilers. I watch every game for the record.

  73. Gret99zky says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Bomber14,

    Yak is flawed but has talent. If JP starts in the AHL you can zoom Yak with McDavid and see if the trade value improves.

    Unpossible.

    Has there ever been a successful pump & dump for the Oilers?

    They fall in love with anything that “zooms”.

    I have a hunch Eberle gets traded before Yak.

  74. Lowetide says:

    Gret99zky: Unpossible.

    Has there ever been a successful pump & dump for the Oilers?

    They fall in love with anything that “zooms”.

    I have a hunch Eberle gets traded before Yak.

    Gretzky.

  75. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Acumen: Dumping him now would be Miro Satan 2.0.

    Hmmm. Miro Satan had 18 goals in his rookie year (62 GP), and 17 at the trade deadline in Year 2 (64 GP) when the Oilers dumped him for Craig F. Millar and Barrie F. Moore. Satan finished that season with 25 goals, the first of 10 straight seasons of 20+ goals.

    Yakupov has played four seasons, scoring 17, 11, 14 and 8 goals. He’s played twice as many games (252) as Satan (126) did as an Oiler, with 1.4x as many goals. Put another way, Satan scored 23 goals per 82 as an Oiler, Yak has averaged just 16. If he had other elements to his game it would be less worrisome, but he’s pretty one-dimensional with big issues on the defensive side of the puck.

    Put another “another way”, by his fourth year Satan scored 40 goals in the NHL. Yak scored 8.

    There’s long been an irrational fear that the second Oilers dump Yak he will become a perennial 40-goal man and will stick the knife in with a hat trick every time he plays the Oil, but at this point the evidence is thin on the ground that he is Ever going to get it. I hope I’m wrong, but at some point it will become decision time.

  76. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Hmmm. Miro Satan had 18 goals in his rookie year (62 GP), and 17 at the trade deadline in Year 2 (64 GP) when the Oilers dumped him for Craig F. Millar and Barrie F. Moore. Satan finished that season with 25 goals, the first of 10 straight seasons of 20+ goals.

    Yakupov has played four seasons, scoring 17, 11, 14 and 8 goals. He’s played twice as many games (252) as Satan did as an Oiler, with 1.4x as many goals. Put another way, Satan scored 23 goals per 82 as an Oiler, Yak has averaged just 16. If he had other elements to his game it would be less worrisome, but he’s pretty one-dimensional with big issues on the defensive side of the puck.

    Put another “another way”, by his fourth year Satan scored 40 goals in the NHL. Yak scored 8.

    There’s long been an irrational fear that the second Oilers dump Yak he will become a perennial 40-goal man and will stick the knife in with a hat trick every time he plays the Oil, but at this point the evidence is thin on the ground that he is Ever going to get it. I hope I’m wrong, but at some point it will become decision time.

    By next summer, Puljujarvi will be able to handle the truth and Yakupov will be in Las Vegas.

  77. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Kitchener:
    Regarding Yakupov, how about if we wait five years before deciding what he isn’t?Last time I checked, he’s had four seasons and enough coaches to fill a bus depot.

    Previous comment notwithstanding, this is fair comment that he hasn’t had his five years yet. The remark about the number of coaches made me laugh, ruefully. The only coach Yak had for more than a season was the guy that benched him three games into his sophomore year and left him benched the next game even after the Oilers had royally shit the bed on national TV. So there are reasons that he has issues, but that in itself doesn’t resolve those issues.

  78. BONVIE says:

    Lowetide: You still don’t trade him for nothing. Yakupov is not a player you should trade for a third-round pick. Bring him back, play him and increase his value. At the very least he is a player who can be exposed in the expansion draft.

    As we miss the playoffs again by blowing the first part of the season so we can try to get Yakapov’s value up to a 2nd round draft pick? I sure hope they are working hard on improving that bottom 6 that was the worst bottom 6 I can recall us having in a very long time last year, we need players on that 3rd and 4th line that will work hard at both ends of the rink.

    It’s not always how many goals you get but rather how many did you give up. This is where that Oilers lineup is right now line 3 Yakapov and Letetsu especially killed us.

  79. Bomber14 says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Exactly Bruce. The Oilershave been afraid to trade anyone for fear that they will produce somewhere else. But isn’t that the chance you take in any trade? As long as you feel you make your team better, you should make the trade. And trading yak, especially after he expressedhe wants a trade should definitely be done before the season starts. Until yak himself comes out and denies the request, I say trade him. Addition by subtraction imo

  80. Bomber14 says:

    Bomber14,

    re. The hall for larsson trade. Chiarelli clearly is not afraid to trade anybody. Prime example.

  81. "Steve Smith" says:

    You know, I realize that there’s no inherent connection between the ability to spell a player’s name and the ability to say anything of insight about that player, but I find that they almost always go together just the same.

    (The obvious exception is Woodguy on “Justin Shultz”.)

  82. spoiler says:

    Bomber14,

    You still have to look at it. Due diligence and all that. Part of the endless cycle is selling assets low and devalued. It’s not like Yak failed alongside McDavid at the beginning of last year. Andit means you might have a stronger 3rd line that can win its matchup.

    There’s lots of ways to skin the cat, not saying the Oil will choose this route, but its not hopping on the crazy train either.

  83. spoiler says:

    The curious thing about Yak’s time with McDeus is that he was the give and go passer. If he could learn to sometimes drive and shoot as Ds cheat to McD then we might have a mini-Forsberg on our hands… in the Ozone, I mean. When they played together, Sakic cruising through the slot and Forsberg exploiting the wing were so tough to stop.

    I’m curious. I’d try it for a few games and see where it went. Teams are so much more aware of McD now then they were when he and Yak attacked, I wonder what might happen. Ebs is good enough to play with anyone over the other guys’ blue line.

  84. OF17 says:

    Lowetide: By next summer, Puljujarvi will be able to handle the truth and Yakupov will be in Las Vegas.

    Yeah, I think that’s the play here. Use Yak in an offensive role, allow him to push Puljujarvi down to the soft minutes 3rd line (or AHL if need be), and then if he explodes, trade him before the expansion draft for something useful. If he does something about what we expect, let Vegas take him and have a recent 1st overall pick to provide promise.

    4 forwards: Lucic, Eberle, Nuge, Draisaitl
    4 defense: Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera, Davidson

    And then you hope like hell Yakupov is more appealing to Vegas than Maroon and Pouliot would be.

  85. Jethro Tull says:

    Bruce McCurdy: benched him three games into his sophomore year and left him benched the next game even after the Oilers had royally shit the bed on national TV.

    If we benched players after shitting the bed on national TV, nobody would be playing. But Eakins wishes us nothing but the best.

  86. flyfish1168 says:

    Interesting read from Staples.
    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/nail-yakupov-edmonton-oilers

    He points out how many points Hall, RNH, Draitaitl, Purcell and Eberle got playing with Letestu. answer is zero.

  87. kinger_OIL says:

    Bomber14: Areyou saying talbot wasn’t good last year? Huh….his 2nd half and gold at the world’s would say otherwise.

    – I didn’t say Talbot wasn’t good last year.

    – With a .918 SV% and a GAA top-30ish, Talbot was just OK. That’s not a slight, but he isn’t an elite goaler, and relying on him to become one is fine. That’s why I’d like see another better back-up than the Monster. I hope Talbot has another level as well, but he’s been fine

    – The World’s was great, but he’d be about the 15th goalie invited to a team Canada try-out

  88. Jethro Tull says:

    flyfish1168:
    Interesting read from Staples.
    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/nail-yakupov-edmonton-oilers

    He points out how many points Hall, RNH, Draitaitl, Purcell and Eberle got playing with Letestu. answer is zero.

    Obviously the problem isn’t Letestu 😉

  89. flyfish1168 says:

    Jethro Tull: Obviously the problem isn’t Letestu

    Mark is no doubt part of the problem 😉

  90. Woodguy says:

    kinger_OIL: – I didn’t say Talbot wasn’t good last year.

    – With a .918 SV% and a GAA top-30ish, Talbot was just OK.That’s not a slight, but he isn’t an elite goaler, and relying on him to become one is fine.That’s why I’d like see another better back-up than the Monster.I hope Talbot has another level as well, but he’s been fine

    – The World’s was great, but he’d be about the 15th goalie invited to a team Canada try-out

    I agree that until Talbot has a full starters year without a big downswing he’s a question mark.

    Wheat n’Oil and Gmoney’s research suggests that all new starters go through a dip and then right the ship.

    That’s exactly what Talbot did this year with his early season dip and strong finish (1 shit game tanked Apr), but until we see a full year of it, I agree that a strong back up is needed.

    Here’s Talbot’s splits that show the dip:

    Month GP SV%
    OCT -10- 0.897
    NOV- 3- 0.864
    DEC -7- 0.934
    JAN -9- 0.932
    FEB -13- 0.914
    MAR -11- 0.935
    APR -3- 0.889

  91. Jethro Tull says:

    kinger_OIL: – The World’s was great, but he’d be about the 15th goalie invited to a team Canada try-out

    Kinger, you have to realise that due to hockey being Canada’s favourite sport, with so many people playing it, that there are some excellent players who never make it to Team Canada. Whilst it’s a good indication of overall skill, it’s so ambiguous as to be ignored. For instance, i wouldn’t be surprised if Taylor Hall retired being the best player to never represent Canada at the Olympics or new World Cup.

  92. who says:

    I think if Chia could have got something for Yak he would be gone already The cold, hard truth is that he has virtually no trade value. If Yak has a decent camp he will get top nine minutes with a quality center, probably for no more than 20 games ( 40 at the most), and if he doesn’t produce he will be traded for a 3rd rounder or released.
    On the subject of quality centers I have one question. Why would any team move one of its best centers to wing? Especially when they have no other in house options to replace him. I’m sorry but Letestu and Lander are not 3rd line center options. The Oilers have plenty of skill wingers to fill three scoring lines, why not take advantage of it.

  93. Woodguy says:

    spoiler:
    The curious thing about Yak’s time with McDeus is that he was the give and go passer.If he could learn to sometimes drive and shoot as Ds cheat to McD then we might have a mini-Forsberg on our hands… in the Ozone, I mean.When they played together, Sakic cruising through the slot and Forsberg exploiting the wing were so tough to stop.

    I’m curious.I’d try it for a few games and see where it went. Teams are so much more aware of McD now then they were when he and Yak attacked, I wonder what might happen.Ebs is good enough to play with anyone over the other guys’ blue line.

    Yeah, the Yak and Ebs splits tell us its better to play Yak there than Ebs:

    Oiler’s GF/60 with:
    McD+Ebs 3.79
    McD + Yak 3.80

    GA/60 McD + Ebs 3.29
    GA/60 McD + Yak 3.21

    Total Goal Share:
    McD + Ebs 53.5%
    McD + Yak 54.25%

    While Ebs gets more of the goals with McD, the Oilers don’t get more goals.

    Leave Yak there and play Ebs with RNH as Ebs can score there and Yak hasn’t been able to at all.

  94. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Jethro Tull: If we benched players after shitting the bed on national TV, nobody would be playing.But Eakins wishes us nothing but the best.

    You misread what I wrote. Yakupov was press boxed Before the bed shitting & remained press boxed After the bed shitting. If I recall Eakins came back with the exact same lineup in Washington that shit the bed in Toronto. And Yakupov was benched on national TV & then benched again for his first ever game against Ovechkin (Oilers had played only in the West his rookie year). It was a humiliating couple of moments for a proud young man. Eakins likely considered it tough love, but I considered (& consider) it a particularly horrendous example of terrible personnel management. Two weeks into his own rookie season, Eakins was well on the way to losing one of his prime young players.

  95. Jethro Tull says:

    Bruce McCurdy: You misread what I wrote. Yakupov was press boxed Before the bedshitting & remained press boxed After the bed shitting.If I recall Eakins came back with the exact same lineup in Washington that shit the bed in Toronto. And Yakupov was benched on national TV & then benched again for his first ever game against Ovechkin (Oilers had played only in the West his rookie year). It was a humiliating couple of moments for a proud young man. Eakins likely considered it tough love, but I considered (& consider) it a particularly horrendous example of terrible personnel management. Two weeks into his own rookie season, Eakins was well on the way to losing one of his prime young players.

    I fear you have subscribed to a narrative that ‘Eakins ruined Yak’. But what if Yak ruined Yak? If a player is not doing what he is asked to by the coaches, what do you do? We have no way of knowing what Yak was doing in practice.

    We preach ‘accountability’ here. Except when it’s against a player we like.

    Thought exercise: Say Taylor Hall is not doing what the coaches are telling him, but he has 6pts in 5 games, but still he resolutely refuses to toe the line. You’re the coach. Do you ride the hot hand and let your authority be called into question, or try and re-assert yourself?

  96. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: Yeah, the Yak and Ebs splits tell us its better to play Yak there than Ebs:

    Oiler’s GF/60 with:
    McD+Ebs 3.79
    McD + Yak 3.80

    GA/60 McD + Ebs 3.29
    GA/60 McD + Yak 3.21

    Total Goal Share:
    McD + Ebs 53.5%
    McD + Yak 54.25%

    While Ebs gets more of the goals with McD, the Oilers don’t get more goals.

    Leave Yak there and play Ebs with RNH as Ebs can score there and Yak hasn’t been able to at all.

    Me likey.

    Pou-Healthy Nuge (stop fucking trading him people) – Eberle were a thing for a while.

  97. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Jethro Tull: I fear you have subscribed to a narrative that ‘Eakins ruined Yak’.But what if Yak ruined Yak?If a player is not doing what he is asked to by the coaches, what do you do?We have no way of knowing what Yak was doing in practice.

    We preach ‘accountability’ here.Except when it’s against a player we like.

    Thought exercise:Say Taylor Hall is not doing what the coaches are telling him, but he has 6pts in 5 games, but still he resolutely refuses to toe the line.You’re the coach.Do you ride the hot hand and let your authority be called into question, or try and re-assert yourself?

    Yeah, I clearly said Eakins is 100% at fault, eh. You continue to misread what I write.

    For the record, I have been one of Yakupov’s strongest critics around here. Which is different from being a hater.

    Eakins dropped the ball on this player right off the hop. That doesn’t exonerate him, I’m just suggesting it was probably a factor.

  98. hunter1909 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Yakupov was benched on national TV & then benched again for his first ever game against Ovechkin (Oilers had played only in the West his rookie year). It was a humiliating couple of moments for a proud young man. Eakins likely considered it tough love, but I considered (& consider) it a particularly horrendous example of terrible personnel management. Two weeks into his own rookie season, Eakins was well on the way to losing one of his prime young players.

    More reason not to lose Yakupov for foolish returns.

    For anyone who still hasn’t bought the Lowe+MacT+Eakins collectively destroyed the Glen Sather Dynasty narrative…

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