DRAFT AND COLLEGE 2016

Over the years, I’ve seen the Edmonton Oilers wall off entire areas of draft-eligibles for one reason or another. The Russians were off limits for many years, and they spent years drafting Swedes only after the good ones were taken. Sometimes they loved the NCAA, and then they didn’t love the NCAA. The club’s obsession with speed has been pretty much constant through the years, but there was most of a decade devoted to coke machines.

One area Edmonton started cultivating again under MacT—and appear to value under Peter Chiarelli—is draft and college. Selecting players from leagues that can feed into the NCAA, allowing the drafting team four years of evaluation. Edmonton has done this before:

DRAFT AND COLLEGE 2000-04

  1. 2000—D  Jason Platt in the 8th round. Drafted out of Omaha (USHL) after 18-year old season. Attended college at Providence and signed with the Oilers after full four years in NCAA. Turned pro at 23.
  2. 2001—C Eddie Caron in the 2nd round. Drafted out of Phillips-Exeter Academy (USHS) after 18-year old season. Attended college at New Hampshire, transferred but it got derailed or he left Dodge and he turned pro with Greenville Grrrowl at age 22.
  3. 2001—C Jake Brenk in the 5th round. Drafted out of Breck School (USHS) after 18-year old season. Attended Minnesota State-Mankato all four years, turned pro at 23 by signing in Holland. Ref.
  4. 2002—D Matt Greene in the 2nd round. Drafted out of Green Bay (USHL) after 18-year old season. Attended UND for three seasons, turned pro at 22 by signing with the Oilers. Greene would play in the SCF’s that season.
  5. 2002—G Glenn Fisher in the 5th round. Drafted out of Ft. Saskatchewan (AJHL) after 18-year old season. Attended U Denver for four years, and turned pro with the Oilers age 24.
  6. 2002—L Patrick Murphy in the 7th round. Drafted out of Newmarket (OPJHL) after 18-year old season. Attended Northern Michigan for four years, and turned pro at age 23 by signing with Laredo (ECHL).
  7. 2003—R Colin McDonald in the 2nd round. Drafted out of New England (EJHL) after 17-year old season. Attended Providence College for four years, turned pro at 22 by signing with the Oilers.
  8. 2003—R David Rohlfs in the 5th round. Drafted out of Compuware (NAHL) after 18-year old season. Attended Michigan for four years, turned pro at 23 by signing with the Oilers.
  9. 2004—C Geoff Paukovich in the 2nd round. Drafted out of USNDTP after 17-year old season. Attended U Denver for three years, and turned pro at 21 by signing with the Oilers.

DRAFT AND COLLEGE 2005-09

  1. 2005—C Andrew Cogliano in the 1st round. Drafted out of Toronto St. Mike’s (OPJHL) after 17-year old season, he played at Michigan for two years and turned pro at age 20 with the Oilers.
  2. 2005—D Taylor Chorney in the 2nd round. Drafted out of Shattuck-St. Mary’s (USHS) after 17-year old season, he played for UND for three years and turned pro at age 21 with the Oilers.
  3. 2005—C Robby Dee in the 3rd round. Drafted out of Breck (USHS) after 17-year old season, he went to Omaha (USHL) for two years and then college (Maine) for four years before turning pro at age 24 in the ECHL.
  4. 2005—C Chris VandeVelde in the 4th round. Drafted out of Moorhead (USHS) after 17-year old season, he went to Lincoln (USHL) for one year and then college (UND) for four years before turning pro at age 23 by signing with the Oilers.
  5. 2005—L Matt Glasser in the 7th round. Drafted out of Fort McMurray (AJHL) after 17-year old season, he stayed another year in the USHL and then hit college (U Denver) for four years before turning pro at age 23 in the CHL.
  6. 2006—D Jeff Petry in the 2nd round. Drafted out of Des Moines (USHL) after 17-year old season, he stayed another year in the USHL and then hit college (Michigan State) for three more years before turning pro at age 22 by signing with the Oilers.
  7. 2007—C Riley Nash in the 1st round. Drafted out of Salmon Arm (BCJHL) after 17-year old season, he attended Cornell (NCAA) for three years before turning pro at age 21 by signing with the Carolina Hurricanes.
  8. 2009—D Troy Hesketh in the 3rd round. Drafted out of Minnetonka (USHS) after 17-year old season, he derailed.
  9. 2009—D Kyle Bigos in the 4th round. Drafted out of Vernon (BCJHL) after 20-year old season, he attended Merrimack College (NCAA) for four years before turning pro at age 24 by signing with the San Jose Sharks.

DRAFT AND COLLEGE 2010-14

  1. 2010—F  Kellen Jones in the 7th round. Drafted out of Vernon (BCJHL) after 20-year old season, he attended Quinnipiac (NCAA) for four years before turning pro by signing with the Oklahoma City Barons for his 24-year old season.
  2. 2012—C Jujhar Khaira in the 3rd round. Drafted out of Prince George (BCJHL) after 17-year old season, he attended Michigan Tech for one year and Everett (WHL) for one year and he turned pro with the Oilers at age 20.
  3. 2013—F Aidan Muir in the 4th round. Drafted out of Victory Honda Midget (MWEHL) after 17-year old season, he played with Indiana (USHL) for a year before heading to Western Michigan. Muir has played two college seasons and could turn pro next summer (2017) or the year after.
  4. 2013—L Evan Campbell in the 5th round. Drafted out of Langley (BCJHL) after 20-year old season, he played with UMass-Lowell (NCAA) 2013-16 and is entering his senior year.
  5. 2014—D William Lagesson in the 4th round. Drafted out of Frolunda (Swedish Juniors) after his 17-year old year, he played the following season in the USHL before heading to the NCAA UMass-Amherst. Has now completed his freshman season.
  6. 2014—L Liam Coughlin in the 5th round. Drafted out of Vernon (BCJHL) after 19-year old season, he stayed there for an extra year before playing college hockey in 2015-16 for Vermont. Now property of the Chicago Blackhawks.
  7. 2014—F Tyler Vesel in the 6th round. Drafted out of Omaha (USHL) after 20-year old season, he has played two seasons with U Nebraska-Omaha.

DRAFT AND COLLEGE 2015-16

  1. 2015—Caleb Jones in the 4th round. Drafted out of the US National Development Program (USHL), he played draft +1 with Portland of the WHL and has signed his entry-level deal.
  2. 2015—John Marino in the 6th round. Drafted out of the South Shore Kings (USHL Pr), he moved up to the USHL in draft +1 and will attend Harvard this fall. Marino—like Jeff Petry—appears to be a perfect example of why slow-playing some prospects is a good idea. Early days, of course.
  3. 2016—Matt Cairns in the 3rd round. Drafted out of Georgetown (OJHL), he will apparently play in Muskegon (USHL) this coming year and then attend Cornell fall 2017.
  4. 2016—Graham McPhee in the 5th round. Drafted out of the US National Development Team, he will attend Boston College this fall—and won’t turn 18 until next week. Very young college player, ala Dillon Simpson.
  5. 2016—Aapeli Rasanen in the 7th round. Drafted out of the Finnish Jr leagues, he will play for Sioux City of the USHL this fall. An unusual but not unheard of path, Rasanen is an interesting player to follow this coming season.

CONCLUSIONS

Since the turn of the century, Edmonton has:

  • chosen 30 ‘draft and college’ players
  • 18 have been chosen after their 17-year old season
  • 7 have been chosen after their 18-year old season
  • 1 has been chosen after his 19-year old season
  • 4 have been chosen after their 20-year old season
  • the 19-year old (Coughlin) was chosen in the MacT era
  • two of the four 20-year olds (Campbell and Vesel) came in the MacT era
  • All of the 20-year olds were chosen from 2009-2014.
  • Peter Chiarelli’s choices on this list were all chosen after 17-year old seasons.
  • The best players from this group—Matt Greene (18), Andrew Cogliano (17), Jeff Petry (17), Riley Nash (17) were chosen after 17 or 18 year old seasons.
  • Only two first-round picks were in the group: Andrew Cogliano and Riley Nash.

I think drafting from leagues outside the CHL and established Euro pools is fine, especially if they come after those pools have been exhausted of top talent. I think Cairns is an interesting player to follow, as his resume shows more promise than most of the CHL players who were available at that time.

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87 Responses to "DRAFT AND COLLEGE 2016"

  1. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Speaking of college players, I was catching up on my tweets today and found this interesting tidbit courtesy of Bob Stauffer:

    @Bob_Stauffer

    “Lots of talk about Drake Caggiula. Don’t be surprised if he gets a look at Center at some point this season. Was impressive at Dev. Camp”

    I think it was Staples who drew comparisons to him and Todd Marchant. Regardless, if Jools (not confirmed nickname) can play both Centre and wing you gotta like his chances even more with this team although some AHL seasoning at Centre would likely still be required.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes:
    Speaking of college players, I was catching up on my tweets today and found this interesting tidbit courtesy of Bob Stauffer:

    @Bob_Stauffer

    “Lots of talk about Drake Caggiula. Don’t be surprised if he gets a look at Center at some point this season. Was impressive at Dev. Camp”

    I think it was Staples who drew comparisons to him and Todd Marchant. Regardless, if Jools (not confirmed nickname) can play both Centre and wing you gotta like his chances even more with this team although some AHL seasoning at Centre would likely still be required.

    God, I wish the Oilers wouldn’t do this.

  3. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Lowetide: God, I wish the Oilers wouldn’t do this.

    I’m curious why LT. Do you think it will hinder his development? He’s what, 23 years old? If he is comfortable with it might not be a bad idea to add some Matt Hendricks versatility to his game. He’s buried on the depth chart now and we didn’t waste a draft pick on him if there ever was a guy to ‘tinker’ with he might be that guy. If it works out could be invaluable.

  4. Lowetide says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: I’m curious why LT. Do you think it will hinder his development? He’s what, 23 years old? If he is comfortable with it might not be bad to add some Matt Hendricks versatility to his game. He’s buried on the depth chart now and we didn’t waste a draft pick on him if there ever was a guy to ‘tinker’ with he might be that guy. If it works out could be invaluable.

    The Oilers always do this, trying to convert wingers to center. IF he has played a lot of center, great. If not, why not let this young man adjust to the pro game—a tough adjustment—before ALSO adding in a change in position that involves miles more work. I bet MacT works with him in TC, God help us.

  5. Stelio Kontos says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes,

    It’s like you go out of your way. No a rookie being looked at as an option at a new position is not a good idea.

  6. Spydyr says:

    Way more mistakes than wins in that list of names.

  7. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Stelio Kontos:
    Kiltymcbagpipes,

    It’s like you go out of your way. No a rookie being looked at as an option at a new position is not a good idea.

    Well someone must think it is a good idea since it’s being suggested. I’m not saying it is a good idea necessarily but I’m looking at the Risk vs. Reward objectively. He was an undrafted free agent what’s the downside? I could have sworn there was at least 1 guy in Boston who took a similar path but I could be wrong.

  8. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: The Oilers always do this, trying to convert wingers to center. IF he has played a lot of center, great. If not, why not let this young man adjust to the pro game—a tough adjustment—before ALSO adding in a change in position that involves miles more work. I bet MacT works with him in TC, God help us.

    He’s listed as a LW/C on a lot of sites, and he’s usually referred to as a “Forward” rather than a winger.

    Also found this but have yet been able to verify it:

    In 148 career games in North Dakota, Caggiula has netted 52 goals and registered 108 points playing as a center and left winger. Last season, Caggiula was voted to the NCHC Second All-Star Team with 18 goals and 36 points in his junior year.

    Source:
    http://www.wgr550.com/Drake-Caggiula-the-forgotten-free-agent/22476963

  9. LOObird says:

    The other part I like about the “draft and college” route is it allows the average fan to completely forget about the player and then feel like they came out of nowhere if and when they make an impact in the big leagues.

  10. stephen sheps says:

    ****Music rant alert****

    Will read the post in a moment but wanted to add a couple of CANCON suggestions that I didn’t notice on the last thread.

    LT, if you’re gong to go in the CANCON direction, Sloan has perhaps the greatest catalogue in Canadian music over the last 20+ years, and the 4 album run from Twice Removed, One Chord to Another, Navy Blues & Between the Bridges is unparalleled from their era. The 90s were a bit of a wasteland, but Sloan inspired a whole bunch of the indie guitar rock that got ‘popular’ in the last couple of decades again without even meaning to or realizing that they had.

    Another band that I think actually is so important in Canadian music (I brought this up in the music thread I had with Square Wheels and a few others the other weekend) is the Constantines. Night Time/Anytime (it’s Alright) is pretty much a perfect song, but all four of their records made it seem like anything was possible being a Canadian musician. If you don’t know them, I would start with the albums “Shine a Light” or “Tournament of Hearts”. Brilliant songwriters – they have that Springsteen-like working class anthems thing down to a science, but with both a folk and punk rock edge. If you go CANCON, in my mind there are no better examples of Canada’s finest over the last 15 years or so.

    ****end rant****

  11. deankb says:

    stephen sheps,

    I second the nomination for Sloan who also happen to be big hockey fans.

    One of my fav CANCON songs in the past 10 years is Use It by the New Pornographers. Such a great song

  12. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    spoiler: He’s listed as a LW/C on a lot of sites, and he’s usually referred to as a “Forward” rather than a winger.

    Also found this but have yet been able to verify it:

    In 148 career games in North Dakota, Caggiula has netted 52 goals and registered 108 points playing as a center and left winger. Last season, Caggiula was voted to the NCHC Second All-Star Team with 18 goals and 36 points in his junior year.

    Source:
    http://www.wgr550.com/Drake-Caggiula-the-forgotten-free-agent/22476963

    Assuming he has played at least SOME centre and is comfortable with the move and considering it cost us next to nothing to acquire the undrafted free agent who is buried on the depth chart the reward is worth the risk in my opinion. He’s not 18, he’s what 23? All reports I read say he’s a good 2 way player, great stick skills and a great passer. I don’t see the harm in him working at Centre for half the season in AHL see how he progresses.

  13. LOObird says:

    stephen sheps,

    Sloan would be a great choice. I saw them at the Pyramid Cabaret here in Winnipeg on their latest tour and it has been my favorite show of the year so far.

    I’m still hoping that one day LT will use Pink Floyd for his RE series. I’m not holding my breath though as it has been suggested numerous times to no avail.

  14. G Money says:

    Vish,

    Replying to your message in the last thread (the site kept eating my postings, apparently it is angry at me for all the bandwidth and threadjacking of the last few days):

    you can email me: gmoney [at] coolsite [dot] net but be warned that this is where my twitter notifications go and my email service for some reason marks my messages as read, so email tends to get buried easily (a fact which has hampered my chats with Sheps quite a bit!)

    you can DM on the twit machine: [at] oilersnerdalert

    As far as your questions go, one of the things that I believe in is transparency. This is the reason why WG and I explained in detail our criteria for defining ‘Top Comp’ and ‘Dregs’.

    You should be able to take what we do and recreate it and then adapt it to your own nefarious ends, if desired. You can also double check our work.

    As far as Dangerous Fenwick goes, I explained how it was calculated in detail at my blog (oilersnerdalert [dot] wordpress [dot] com). I also provide a download to the calculated adjustments, so you can explore in whatever level of detail you want the numbers that I have come up with, or even create your own metric if you want!

  15. spoiler says:

    I would hazard a guess that Caligula jeopardizes Lander’s future as an Oiler. Coup d’Etat.

  16. Lowetide says:

    LOObird:
    stephen sheps,

    Sloan would be a great choice. I saw them at the Pyramid Cabaret here in Winnipeg on their latest tour and it has been my favorite show of the year so far.

    I’m still hoping that one day LT will use Pink Floyd for his RE series. I’m not holding my breath though as it has been suggested numerous times to no avail.

    One of the first REs I did was Pink Floyd iirc.

  17. LOObird says:

    Lowetide,

    Crap! That must have been before I started coming here. How long ago was this? I’m going to go back and read all of them.

  18. Lowetide says:

    LOObird:
    Lowetide,

    Crap! That must have been before I started coming here. How long ago was this? I’m going to go back and read all of them.

    I will try and find. It was early days, and all one one page. I listed the players and then gave them a song.

  19. LOObird says:

    Lowetide,

    I’d love that! Thank you.

  20. Jaxon says:

    Don’t LaLeggia and Lagesson fall under this category as well?

  21. Pouzar says:

    LOObird:
    stephen sheps,

    Sloan would be a great choice. I saw them at the Pyramid Cabaret here in Winnipeg on their latest tour and it has been my favorite show of the year so far.

    I’m still hoping that one day LT will use Pink Floyd for his RE series. I’m not holding my breath though as it has been suggested numerous times to no avail.

    Loo did you got to Thornley this Spring at Pyramid?
    Now that was unreal. Can’t frickin wait to see Big Wreck sometime soon.

  22. Lowetide says:

    Found it! And I lied a little. I used them for the top 30 in 2010

    http://lowetide.ca/2010/06/19/draft-week-2010-post-2-final-top-30/

  23. Pouzar says:

    WOW BENN 8 Years

    Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 19s20 seconds ago
    Elliotte Friedman Retweeted Dallas Stars
    AAV $9.5M

  24. Lowetide says:

    Jaxon:
    Don’t LaLeggia and Lagesson fall under this category as well?

    Laleggia was drafted out of the NCAA, so no. Lagesson does qualify, and I will add

  25. Jaxon says:

    Don’t Simpson, LaLeggia and Lagesson fall under this category as well? And Oesterle went through the college system as well, although the oilers didn’t draft him, they just signed him.

    EDIT: typing from my phone while I wait for my daughter to fall
    asleep so I mistakenly reposted what I thought was an edit and also realized you have since responded and I was in error on Simpson and LaLeggia as I hadn’t caught on that it was about players who were drafted outside the college system and then went through college as part of their development. Simpson and LaLeggia started outside the college system but we’re not drafted until they were in college. My bad.

  26. ~ Hall of Shame ~ says:

    Pouzar:
    WOW BENN 8 Years

    Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC19s20 seconds ago
    Elliotte Friedman Retweeted Dallas Stars
    AAV $9.5M

    ~ Idiots. They should have realized wingers can’t drive lines before spending all that money. ~

  27. Lowetide says:

    Jaxon:
    Don’t Simpson, LaLeggia and Lagesson fall under this category as well? And Oesterle went through the college system as well, although the oilers didn’t draft him, they just signed him.

    Simpson was drafted out of UND, Laleggia out of U. Denver. Lagesson has been added.

  28. Pouzar says:

    ~ Hall of Shame ~: ~ Idiots. They should have realized wingers can’t drive lines before spending all that money. ~

    *SeQuin evil maniacal laugh*

  29. Wonder Llama says:

    deankb:
    stephen sheps,

    I second the nomination for Sloan who also happen to be big hockey fans.

    One of my fav CANCON songs in the past 10 years is Use It by the New Pornographers. Such a great song

    Love Sloan and The New Pornographers.

    In my not-at-all-humble opinion Canadian rock really came into its own in the 21st century – at least the stream of rock I love best: “new wave” to “alternative” to “indie.”

    Metric, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Wolf Parade (+ Sunset Rubdown/Handsome Furs), Caribou, Japandroids, Arcade Fire, Edmonton’s own Purity Ring, Mac Demarco, my personal favorite Broken Social Scene and many others.

    I left Canada in 2000 so I know I’m missing a lot – from what I’ve read around here I need to listen to the Constantines and the Weakerthans ASAP.

    However, I just don’t see this as Lowetide material. If it’s CANCON I expect it to be heavily 70s inflected, which is fine by me.

    LT: I watched The Last Waltz for the first time in my life last night (I know, I know). I could see The Band as being right in your wheelhouse.

  30. Jaxon says:

    Lowetide: Laleggia was drafted out of the NCAA, so no. Lagesson does qualify, and I will add

    In a round about way LaLeggia almost qualifies as during his 1st two years of draft eligibility he was playing in the BCHL but was passed over twice before he joined the WCHA.

  31. stephen sheps says:

    Wonder Llama: Love Sloan and The New Pornographers.

    In my not-at-all-humble opinion Canadian rock really came into its own in the 21st century – at least the stream of rock I love best: “new wave” to “alternative” to “indie.”

    Metric, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Wolf Parade (+ Sunset Rubdown/Handsome Furs), Caribou, Japandroids, Arcade Fire, Edmonton’s own Purity Ring, Mac Demarco, my personal favorite Broken Social Scene and many others.

    I left Canada in 2000 so I know I’m missing a lot – from what I’ve read around here I need to listen to the Constantines and the Weakerthans ASAP.

    However, I just don’t see this as Lowetide material. If it’s CANCON I expect it to be heavily 70s inflected, which is fine by me.

    LT: I watched The Last Waltz for the first time in my life last night (I know, I know). I could see The Band as being right in your wheelhouse.

    With the exception of Metric I agree wholeheartedly with all of the bands you listed here – BSS is my favourite too (they’re recording a new record!!!!), and I love Godspeed/Silver Mt. Zion but the Cons are in a category all their own. The Weakerthans are the best thing to ever come out of Winnipeg, full stop. And I’m saying this despite the fact that my dad went to high school with Burton and Randy (shared a locker with Randy’s brother), and I met mr. Bachman at an early age…

    I believe the band and the last waltz has come up quite a bit around these parts over the years. other than perhaps stop making sense, there is no better concert film.

  32. Lowetide says:

    Wonder Llama: Love Sloan and The New Pornographers.

    In my not-at-all-humble opinion Canadian rock really came into its own in the 21st century – at least the stream of rock I love best: “new wave” to “alternative” to “indie.”

    Metric, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Wolf Parade (+ Sunset Rubdown/Handsome Furs), Caribou, Japandroids, Arcade Fire, Edmonton’s own Purity Ring, Mac Demarco, my personal favorite Broken Social Scene and many others.

    I left Canada in 2000 so I know I’m missing a lot – from what I’ve read around here I need to listen to the Constantines and the Weakerthans ASAP.

    However, I just don’t see this as Lowetide material. If it’s CANCON I expect it to be heavily 70s inflected, which is fine by me.

    LT: I watched The Last Waltz for the first time in my life last night (I know, I know). I could see The Band as being right in your wheelhouse.

    I love the Band. That crazy bastard drummer’s voice gets me every time, and that blasted Danko does too. The most frustrating thing about explaining the Band to people is trying to convince them Robbie Robertson was probably the fifth most important member.

  33. ~ Hall of Shame ~ says:

    Pouzar: *SeQuin evil maniacal laugh*

    Kane Toews
    Benn Seguin
    Hall–McDavid

    Drivers.
    You play em on 2 lines.
    You play em together when you need to.
    Flexibility.

  34. LOObird says:

    Pouzar: Loo did you got to Thornley this Spring at Pyramid?
    Now that was unreal. Can’t frickin wait to see Big Wreck sometime soon.

    No I didn’t. I’ve never really listened to Big Wreck. That was an acoustic show right? It’s probably one of the only big shows they’ve had recently that I wasn’t at as I find myself there far more often than I’d like to admit.

  35. Wonder Llama says:

    Lowetide: I love the Band. That crazy bastard drummer’s voice gets me every time, and that blasted Danko does too. The most frustrating thing about explaining the Band to people is trying to convince them Robbie Robertson was probably the fifth most important member.

    Really became a fan after I bought the live Dylan/Band album Before The Flood.

    They were overflowing with talent in the same way as Buffalo Springfield.

  36. Tarkus says:

    Oddly enough, I became a fan of The Band through this very blog.

    “Rag Mama Rag” is such a fun song to listen to…. in no small part because of that fat & sassy tuba. A tuba, for Pete’s sake!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHy_XeBMagU

  37. Picturesque says:

    Wonder Llama: Love Sloan and The New Pornographers.

    In my not-at-all-humble opinion Canadian rock really came into its own in the 21st century – at least the stream of rock I love best: “new wave” to “alternative” to “indie.”

    Metric, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Wolf Parade (+ Sunset Rubdown/Handsome Furs), Caribou, Japandroids, Arcade Fire, Edmonton’s own Purity Ring, Mac Demarco, my personal favorite Broken Social Scene and many others.

    I left Canada in 2000 so I know I’m missing a lot – from what I’ve read around here I need to listen to the Constantines and the Weakerthans ASAP.

    IMHO, the one band missing from that indie CANCON list is the band Do Make Say Think …incredible music, although you probably know them if BSS is a personal fave.

  38. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    ~ Hall of Shame ~: Kane Toews
    Benn Seguin
    Hall–McDavid

    Drivers.
    You play em on 2 lines.
    You play em together when you need to.
    Flexibility.

    Khaaaaaaaaan Kaaaaaaatz!!!

  39. Pouzar says:

    LOObird: No I didn’t. I’ve never really listened to Big Wreck. That was an acoustic show right? It’s probably one of the only big shows they’ve had recently that I wasn’t at as I find myself there far more often than I’d like to admit.

    It was billed as an acoustic show but it was anything but.
    Weird but awesome. Ian T. was lettin er rip.

  40. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide:
    Found it! And I lied a little. I used them for the top 30 in 2010

    http://lowetide.ca/2010/06/19/draft-week-2010-post-2-final-top-30/

    Great call on the future tragedy. Although Hall has now gone from Money to Wish You Were Here.

  41. "Steve Smith" says:

    I’m too old for much of the shit that people are listing, but I love the Weakerthans – Winnipeg, of course.

    Fun fact about Mac DeMarco: his real name is Vernor Smith, after his great grandfather, Minister of Railways and Telephones in the United Farmers of Alberta governments of Herb Greenfield and J. E. Brownlee.

    (Some clever poster telling me that they don’t think that “fun” means what I think it means in 3…2…)

  42. LOObird says:

    Lowetide,

    Great. I will bookmark that for later. Thank you!

  43. Wonder Llama says:

    Picturesque: IMHO, the one band missing from that indie CANCON list is the band Do Make Say Think…incredible music, although you probably know them if BSS is a personal fave.

    I knew they were a contributing force to the “musical collective” that is BSS but I’ve never gotten around to listening to them. An oversight I shall correct – thanks!

  44. LOObird says:

    Pouzar,

    Dandy Warhols was just announced for September. That will be one worth coming out for.

  45. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lowetide:
    Found it! And I lied a little. I used them for the top 30 in 2010

    http://lowetide.ca/2010/06/19/draft-week-2010-post-2-final-top-30/

    And just to bring this discussion back around to Caligula of the He-Ducks, that post reminds us that Taylor Hall was also listed as a Centre/Winger on draft day. He didn’t actually play any centre in the OHL, did he?

  46. Wonder Llama says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    I’m too old for much of the shit that people are listing…

    Nonsense! I’m 54 and I’m still trading kandi with the EDM kids.

  47. "Steve Smith" says:

    Wonder Llama,

    I’m probably, like, eighty.

  48. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Also from that list:

    20. Evgeny Kuznetsov
    21. Tyler Pitlick
    22. Jaden Schwartz
    23. Tyler Toffoli
    24. Brock Nelson

    Four of the five with 20-goal seasons, three with more than one of them. Guess which one the Oilers drafted? >:(

  49. Pouzar says:

    LOObird:
    Pouzar,

    Dandy Warhols was just announced for September. That will be one worth coming out for.

    I will have to check that out.

    IME at The Burt in Oct too.

  50. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Also from that list:

    20. Evgeny Kuznetsov
    21. Tyler Pitlick
    22. Jaden Schwartz
    23. Tyler Toffoli
    24. Brock Nelson

    Four of the five with 20-goal seasons, three with more than one of them. Guess which one the Oilers drafted? >:(

    Well that hurts.

  51. Tire Fire says:

    stephen sheps: With the exception of Metric I agree wholeheartedly with all of the bands you listed here

    I suggest taking a 2nd look at Metric. I haven’t caught up to their newer stuff yet, but their older collection is worth a listen.

    Emily Haines’ father was a poet and it really shows up in the lyrics. Some nice Soc. themes for you in there, my son.

    For a bonus, check out her solo album. Could use a little more variety on it, but Mostly Waving and Crowd Surf Off a Cliff are the standouts.

    Metric also did a wonderful take on Dylan’s Don’t Think Twice. The raw, unproduced version on youtube (search Studio Brussels and the song title) is worth a look.

    I put in the parenthetical aside in that last sentence to angry up DMW’s blood after this morning’s musings.

  52. stephen sheps says:

    Tire Fire,

    I know them well and love Emily’s voice. But since Old World Underground I just haven’t been able to get into them.

    They are a good band but I’m just not that into them.

    Do Make Say Think are wonderful. Whoever mentioned them earlier is quite right to include them. They’re so much more than a BSS-adjacent band.

    Canadian music is great and keeps getting better and more interesting.

    Love the CANCON re: idea so much

  53. godot10 says:

    ~ Hall of Shame ~: ~ Idiots. They should have realized wingers can’t drive lines before spending all that money. ~

    Dallas hasn’t won anything yet. Ovechkin…zero. Hall…zero. Benn…zero. I think you have to go all the way back to Lafleur…but then he had the four horsemen of the apocalypse on defense…Savard, Lapointe, Robinson, and Nyrop.

  54. Tire Fire says:

    stephen sheps: I know them well and love Emily’s voice. But since Old World Underground I just haven’t been able to get into them.
    They are a good band but I’m just not that into them.

    Ah, I see. I think we probably agree on that then.

    When I hear them, I still mentally evaluate it as “good,” but I’m not drawn to listen to them like I was before. Not sure if it’s me or them though as I haven’t given any of the new albums a proper chance.

    Old World Underground remains my favorite as well. Dead Disco is still a helluva song. For those that haven’t heard it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEsr5Mm3JfE

  55. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: I love the Band. That crazy bastard drummer’s voice gets me every time, and that blasted Danko does too. The most frustrating thing about explaining the Band to people is trying to convince them Robbie Robertson was probably the fifth most important member.

    But Robbie Robertson was the only one who got rich because he took almost all of the writing credits, and got all the royalties, when it, as The Last Waltz demonstrates, clearly a collaborative endeavour.

    The Last Waltz was the last waltz because Robertson could afford to stop touring because of the royalties, but everyone else couldn’t.

    Ethical question: Should one take advantage of one’s bandmates if one is more business savvy than they are? Does one have an obligation to be fair when the others are unaware of the consequences of what is happening?

  56. godot10 says:

    On why Caggiula may perhaps be tried at centre early…perhaps because McDavid, Nugent-Hopkins, and Draisaitl will be missing a lot of training camp early.

  57. Lowetide says:

    The Cancon would include Hip, Sloan, Neil Young, The Band, Cowboy Junkies, Crowbar, Great Big Sea, Payolas, BTO, Barenaked Ladies. Michel Pagliaro, Ian Thomas, Grimes, The Demics, Weakerthans, Spirit of the West, Guess Who, Gordon Lightfoot, The Band, Joni Mitchell, the Consantines, Leonard Cohen, Stan Rogers, Ian Tyson, Crash Test Dummies, MWH, Our Lady Peace, Arcade Fire, Prairie Oyster and this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_Xf2HTsZo

  58. Wonder Llama says:

    Lowetide:
    The Cancon would include Hip, Sloan, Neil Young, The Band, Cowboy Junkies, Crowbar, Great Big Sea, Payolas, BTO, Barenaked Ladies. Michel Pagliaro, Ian Thomas, Grimes, The Demics, Weakerthans, Spirit of the West, Guess Who, Gordon Lightfoot, The Band, Joni Mitchell, the Consantines, Leonard Cohen, Stan Rogers, Ian Tyson, Crash Test Dummies, MWH, Our Lady Peace, Arcade Fire, Prairie Oyster and this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_Xf2HTsZo

    Grimes! I forgot all about Grimes! Art Angels was one of my favorite albums from last year (after Courtney Barnett and Tame Impala).

    A Foot In Cold Water – that’s some late-night summer parking music there.

  59. Pastor of Disaster says:

    Lowetide:
    The Cancon would include Hip, Sloan, Neil Young, The Band, Cowboy Junkies, Crowbar, Great Big Sea, Payolas, BTO, Barenaked Ladies. Michel Pagliaro, Ian Thomas, Grimes, The Demics, Weakerthans, Spirit of the West, Guess Who, Gordon Lightfoot, The Band, Joni Mitchell, the Consantines, Leonard Cohen, Stan Rogers, Ian Tyson, Crash Test Dummies, MWH, Our Lady Peace, Arcade Fire, Prairie Oyster and this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_Xf2HTsZo

    That is an impressive and formidable list! Love how Grimes and Arcade Fire snuck in there with those legends.

    I will second and third the use of Use It, or anything by The New Pornographers. Please don’t be afraid of the last word in that name. Pastorally, I had to get used to it too!

    Might I also suggest Tegan & Sara, Basia Bulat (who you would LOVE, LT), and Feist for some extra lady CANCON content? And Drake and Edmonton’s own Poet Laureate Cadence Weapon for the Hip Hop quotient?

  60. Pastor of Disaster says:

    Wonder Llama: Grimes! I forgot all about Grimes! Art Angels was one of my favorite albums from last year (after Courtney Barnett and Tame Impala).

    A Foot In Cold Water – that’s some late-night summer parking music there.

    Wonder Llama, we are kindred music spirits. You only forgot Kendrick Lamar and Sufjan Stevens, otherwise that is my exact Big 5 from 2015!

  61. stephen sheps says:

    Lowetide,

    That is a wonderful cross section of the best of Canada spanning several generations. I really hope that you do choose to go in this direction if not for the fall RE then for the Spring.
    Wonder Llama,

    Art Angels was shortlisted for the Polaris Prize this year. While there are albums that I think should win (Kaytranada; Andy Shauf), I think Claire Boucher’s weird weird art-pop freak out of genres is going to take it.

  62. ed says:

    Sloan is good but imo the best to come out of the whole halifax thing was Eric’s Trip/Elevator. Marc Gaudet is the best drummer I have ever seen live, right there with the best this country has produced. I still have a crush on Julie Doiron. Lots of material to work with if you care to dig through that scene. Has it been almost 25 years!?!

  63. ~ Hall of Shame ~ says:

    godot10:.I think you have to go all the way back to Lafleur.

    Why? I listed Kane-Toews. For that we have to go way back 2 years. Which we can do another 2 times for 3 cups in 5.

    Honestly you make the absolutely smartest and absolutely densest comments here. That’s a compliment. Can’t match you in either direction.

  64. Wonder Llama says:

    Pastor of Disaster: Wonder Llama, we are kindred music spirits.You only forgot Kendrick Lamar and Sufjan Stevens, otherwise that is my exact Big 5 from 2015!

    Actually TPAB is in my top 5 from 2015. I’m not a hip-hop fan but Kendrick is so good he won me over anyway. Haven’t gotten to the new Sufjan yet but I’m sure it’s great.

    After that it’s a bit of a drop-off for me: Deerhunter, Unknown Mortal Orchestra, Modest Mouse, Foals, and oh let’s say My Morning Jacket round out the top 10.

  65. stephen sheps says:

    ed,

    Julie Doiron is in Edmonton Aug 9th. Can’t remember which venue but she’s always good.

    Edit. The Buckingham

  66. ed says:

    stephen sheps,

    Hah, sorry, I’m another denizen of Winnipeg and so am unfamiliar with the venues the fine city of
    Edmonton has to offer.

    She was always a must see though, back in the days before kids rearrange priorities.

  67. semi legendary rot lobster says:

    rot has important msg 4 frank

    proof that lobster n dog can b friends

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PN-OHz9pRc

    if music is 2 b decided rot votes for east coast divas sarah mclach loreena mcken anne murray

    also super sexy dearly departed rita mcneil

  68. Wonder Llama says:

    godot10: But Robbie Robertson was the only one who got rich because he took almost all ofthe writing credits, and got all the royalties, when it, as The Last Waltz demonstrates, clearly a collaborative endeavour.

    The Last Waltz was the last waltz because Robertson could afford to stop touring because of the royalties, but everyone else couldn’t.

    Ethical question: Should one take advantage of one’s bandmates if one is more business savvy than they are?Does one have an obligation to be fair when the others are unaware of the consequences of what is happening?

    That’s a little disappointing to hear about Robbie.

    Would you consider “Music For The Native Americans” cynical cultural poaching or sincere tribute/collaboration?

  69. stephen sheps says:

    ed,

    Aug 7, goodwill social club in Winnipeg. It’s a Sunday so maybe you can rearrange those priorities back in a different direction.

    (Though from Edmonton originally I’m living in Toronto again. However I’m friends with a promoter back home, so it’s nice to remain plugged into a scene I haven’t really been a part of in close to a decade.)

  70. dustrock says:

    Lowetide:
    The Cancon would include Hip, Sloan, Neil Young, The Band, Cowboy Junkies, Crowbar, Great Big Sea, Payolas, BTO, Barenaked Ladies. Michel Pagliaro, Ian Thomas, Grimes, The Demics, Weakerthans, Spirit of the West, Guess Who, Gordon Lightfoot, The Band, Joni Mitchell, the Consantines, Leonard Cohen, Stan Rogers, Ian Tyson, Crash Test Dummies, MWH, Our Lady Peace, Arcade Fire, Prairie Oyster and this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_Xf2HTsZo

    Get my 90s Cancon in there with Headstones. Maybe Moist and I Mother Earth. Maestro Fresh Wes.

    Luba. Gowan. Bryan Adams! Tom Cochrane. Sarah McLachlan. Rusty. SNFU. The Smalls.

  71. dustrock says:

    Wonder Llama: Actually TPAB is in my top 5 from 2015. I’m not a hip-hop fan but Kendrick is so good he won me over anyway. Haven’t gotten to the new Sufjan yet but I’m sure it’s great.

    After that it’s a bit of a drop-off for me: Deerhunter, Unknown Mortal Orchestra, Modest Mouse, Foals, and oh let’s say My Morning Jacket round out the top 10.

    Bonus points for Foals.

    And yes somehow forgot Eric’s trip.

    Hayden.

    Leonard Cohen!

  72. Pastor of Disaster says:

    Wonder Llama: Actually TPAB is in my top 5 from 2015. I’m not a hip-hop fan but Kendrick is so good he won me over anyway. Haven’t gotten to the new Sufjan yet but I’m sure it’s great.

    After that it’s a bit of a drop-off for me: Deerhunter, Unknown Mortal Orchestra, Modest Mouse, Foals, and oh let’s say My Morning Jacket round out the top 10.

    Nice list, esp. Modest Mouse and MMJ! Agree with the drop off opinion. My top ten is probably rounded out with Vince Staples, Florence + the Machine, Sleater-Kinney, Natalie Prass… and a couple of Carly Rae Jepsen songs (LT- she counts as CANCON as well!). I really liked Deerhunter’s “Snakeskin” though. I thought the new Modest Mouse LP had about 5 good songs and tons of lesser filler. You like the whole thing?

  73. godot10 says:

    Wonder Llama: That’s a little disappointing to hear about Robbie.

    Would you consider “Music For The Native Americans” cynical cultural poaching or sincere tribute/collaboration?

    Robertson is a Native American (half Mohawk, I think) or would consider himself one.

  74. Wonder Llama says:

    Pastor of Disaster: Nice list, esp. Modest Mouse and MMJ!Agree with the drop off opinion.My top ten is probably rounded out with Vince Staples, Florence + the Machine, Sleater-Kinney, Natalie Prass… and a couple of Carly Rae Jepsen songs (LT- she counts as CANCON content as well!).I really liked Deerhunter’s “Snakeskin” though.I thought the new Modest Mouse LP had about 5 good songs and tons of lesser filler.You like the whole thing?

    I’m a big fan of Modest Mouse, Deerhunter, UMO, and Foals, but all four albums last year were weaker efforts than their usual, imo. I thought Halcyon Digest from 2010 was incredible. That was a good year for music.

  75. Wonder Llama says:

    godot10: Robertson is a Native American (half Mohawk, I think) or would consider himself one.

    Hmm. So having Native heritage but living in white society – does that make him immune to such concerns in a way that, say Paul Simon would not be? It’s his voice that sings “we used to do the ghost dance” but I wonder what it really means to him.

    I’m inclined to say it’s all good if his intentions are, but then again I’m not Native.

  76. Chachi says:

    Lowetide:
    The Cancon would include Hip, Sloan, Neil Young, The Band, Cowboy Junkies, Crowbar, Great Big Sea, Payolas, BTO, Barenaked Ladies. Michel Pagliaro, Ian Thomas, Grimes, The Demics, Weakerthans, Spirit of the West, Guess Who, Gordon Lightfoot, The Band, Joni Mitchell, the Consantines, Leonard Cohen, Stan Rogers, Ian Tyson, Crash Test Dummies, MWH, Our Lady Peace, Arcade Fire, Prairie Oyster and this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_Xf2HTsZo

    That is an impressive list. In addition to the other suggestions people have had I would recommend you check out the Rural Alberta Advantage.

  77. Wonder Llama says:

    Chachi: That is an impressive list. In addition to the other suggestions people have had I would recommend you check out the Rural Alberta Advantage.

    Yes. Very nice.

    But remember Boards of Canada and Of Montreal don’t count!

  78. Eh Team says:

    Lowetide:
    The Cancon would include Hip, Sloan, Neil Young, The Band, Cowboy Junkies, Crowbar, Great Big Sea, Payolas, BTO, Barenaked Ladies. Michel Pagliaro, Ian Thomas, Grimes, The Demics, Weakerthans, Spirit of the West, Guess Who, Gordon Lightfoot, The Band, Joni Mitchell, the Consantines, Leonard Cohen, Stan Rogers, Ian Tyson, Crash Test Dummies, MWH, Our Lady Peace, Arcade Fire, Prairie Oyster and this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_Xf2HTsZo

    Add Kate and Anna Mcgarrigle, Blackie and the Rodeo Kings, Corb Lund, Jessie Winchester

  79. Wonder Llama says:

    Eh Team: Add Kate and Anna Mcgarrigle, Blackie and the Rodeo Kings,Corb Lund, Jessie Winchester

    Don’t question The List.

  80. RandomPoster says:

    godot10: Ethical question: Should one take advantage of one’s bandmates if one is more business savvy than they are? Does one have an obligation to be fair when the others are unaware of the consequences of what is happening?

    Welcome to capitalism. You need to look after number one or you will be taken advantage of. Most of us work for more business savy people.

  81. Chachi says:

    Wonder Llama: Yes. Very nice.

    But remember Boards of Canada and Of Montreal don’t count!

    Strangely enough neither would the Canadians: http://www.ghostrecords.it/eng/artists/?id=5

  82. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Bruce Cockburn says hi.

  83. Chachi says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Bruce Cockburn says hi.

    Is he holding a rocket launcher?

  84. "Steve Smith" says:

    Chachi: Is he holding a rocket launcher?

    If he had one, it would truly be a dangerous time for lovers. Or at least central American despots.

  85. bill needle says:

    Lowetide:
    The Cancon would include Hip, Sloan, Neil Young, The Band, Cowboy Junkies, Crowbar, Great Big Sea, Payolas, BTO, Barenaked Ladies. Michel Pagliaro, Ian Thomas, Grimes, The Demics, Weakerthans, Spirit of the West, Guess Who, Gordon Lightfoot, The Band, Joni Mitchell, the Consantines, Leonard Cohen, Stan Rogers, Ian Tyson, Crash Test Dummies, MWH, Our Lady Peace, Arcade Fire, Prairie Oyster and this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_Xf2HTsZo

    An ideal list of bands to compare to the Oilers. The superstars’ best work is from ages ago, while the younger ones are overplayed and overrated.

  86. godot10 says:

    RandomPoster: Welcome to capitalism. You need to look after number one or you will be taken advantage of. Most of us work for more business savy people.

    Capitalism requires the rule-of-law. Implied in contract law is good faith and fair dealing. “What you can get away with” is not capitalism. One will break the system if the vast majority of actors do not act with good faith and fair dealing.

    One got to see the system break in 2008. It is still broken, bailed out by Ponzi central bank money flowing to the plutocrats and the 1%. The markets are basically all broken, because no market is allowed to clear, so basically everything is mispriced.

    We are currently in Wonderland. One quarter of government debt in the world now carries a negative interest rate. Think about that.

    In Alberta, one has seen the effect of the US Fed creating money out of nothing, where North American energy companies were able to get nearly free mispriced money to over drill and create an oversupply of oil.

    The world’s elites are afraid to put their money in insolvent banks, so they bid up the price of real estate in the world’s most desirable cities. And they won’t invest it in the real economy, because everything is mispriced and the markets are broken, so a proper business decision cannot be made. (See the North American oil intdustry).

    The consequences of bailing out the bad actors, and not prosecuting them, and TBTF and TBTJ are still reverberating around the world.

  87. dsr29 says:

    https://medium.com/@kenyong/is-adam-larsson-one-dimensional-in-analytics-context-still-matters-a7344672385f#.44ybkkscj

    This has probably been discussed before, but I found it interesting regarding analytics and context. Particularly with respect to Larsson.

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