FROM A BUICK 6

If no changes come, the Edmonton Oilers opening night lineup should be more balanced than one year ago. That isn’t the same as saying the trades and free-agent additions guarantee a playoff spot—and does not excuse the price on Larsson—but balance is stronger now than a year ago.

OILERS PROJECTED OPENING NIGHT ROSTER

oilers projected roster july 19

I still believe we will see a James Wisniewski (or higher) added later this summer, but this is my projection for the RE. The team remains short in several areas, including a puck mover on D and a two-way RW/C—but there is time and those things may be addressed.

POSSIBLE RIGHTIES

  1. Jacob Trouba, Winnipeg Jets. Could the Oilers acquire him?
  2. Ryan Murphy, Carolina Hurricanes. Some chaos, but good speed and puck-moving ability.
  3. Brandon Montour, Anaheim Ducks. This could be a special player.
  4. Ryan Pulock, New York Islanders. Big shot from the point has high value. Very young.
  5. Jakub Nakladal, Calgary Flames. Intriguing player.
  6. Ryan Sproul, Detroit Red Wings. Puck-moving defender in the AHL.
  7. Jordan Schmaultz, St. Louis Blues. Puck-moving prospect.
  8. Ville Pokka, Chicago Blackhawks. Young defender in the Chicago system.
  9. James Wisniewski, Carolina Hurricanes. If healthy, depending on price, interesting name.
  10. Dan Boyle, New York Rangers. Retiring, but he is the player they are looking for—early, not late in his career.
  11. Dennis Wideman, Calgary Flames. A year removed from a fantastic offensive season.

Cam Fowler may be the best puck mover available, and Edmonton may pursue him because of need. Acquiring a righty would make the roster more balanced while also allowing Klefbom, Sekera and possibly even Davidson to play on their natural side.

PROJECTED CONDORS 2016-17

bakersfield projected roster july 19

The Bakersfield Condors should be a good hockey club, if the Edmonton Oilers can manage to keep the kids on the farm. They tried a year ago, with both Leon Draisaitl and Darnell Nurse on the opening night roster. This time, the possible impact AHLers include Drake Caggiula, Anton Slepyshev, Jujhar Khaira, Griffin Reinhart and Laurent Brossoit.

CONDORS OPENING NIGHT 2015

Condors opening night 2015-161

This is a pretty solid lineup for an AHL team. Top prospects included Leon Draisaitl, Darnell Nurse, Jujhar Khaira, Iiro Pakarinen, Bogdan Yakimov and Laurent Brossoit, among others. This season, the club should have some terrific additions, including some incoming forwards (ranked by NHLE):

  1. L Drake Cagguila 22-22-44
  2. R Patrick Russell 17-17-34
  3. L Jere Sallinen 10-15-25

GRIFFINS VERSUS CONDORS, 2015-16

This is the third year I have looked at the developing talent on the farm for Detroit and Edmonton. Here are my conclusions from each of the last two years:

  • August 2014: The Oilers are not in Detroit’s league in terms of development, but they are improving. This isn’t a MacT versus Tambellini issue, both men had the task of crawling from the wreckage of the team put to sleep a decade ago. That kind of shortsighted move by ownership (EIG) cost Edmonton a generation of talent, and impacted kids from 2002 to 2007. Not having structure, having to rebuild what other teams had established and cultivated for decades, had a tremendous impact on the prospects and the NHL team. Source
  • August 2015: If there was an expansion draft and all of these men were available, I think Pulkkinen goes No. 1 for sure. After that? Solid young options on both sides and you could make a case for the Oilers having as many good arrows as Detroit from the AHL. Source

GRIFFINS PROSPECTS 2015-16

  1. L Anthony Mantha, 20. 62GP, 21-24-45. He scored .5 points-per-game as a rookie pro, and then stepped up to .726 points-per-game this season. I don’t really know the line in the sand for NHL players in pro+2, but progress is good and he stepped forward this year.
  2. L Tyler Bertuzzi, 20. 71GP, 12-18-30. Rookie pro played his rugged style (133pims) and scored some, plus potted seven goals in nine playoff games. His .422 points-per-game seems shy if he is to have a top 6F role, but his skill set will fit well on a checking or fourth line when he arrives in the NHL.
  3. R Martin Frk, 21. 67GP, 27-17-44. What a strong second pro season! He was in the ECHL in 2014-15, and this year Frk was scoring 27 goals in the AHL. Back on track as a prospect.
  4. C Andreas Athanasiou, 21. 26GP, 8-8-16. A year ago I wrote ‘he has the look of one of those two-way steals Detroit somehow finds’ and it turned out to be true. NHL this year: 37GP, 9-5-14. Terrific pick from the fourth-round in 2012.
  5. D Ryan Sproul, 22. 75GP, 12-23-35. Puck mover recovered from a subpar second AHL season, and I think he might make the grade in the fall. He is waiver eligible and certainly has enough talent to be grabbed if made available.
  6. D Robbie Russo, 22. 71GP, 5-34-39. Red Wings signed former Islanders draft pick out of college and he took to the AHL lick a duck to water. He might be a better prospect than Sproul.
  7. D Xavier Ouellet, 22. 61GP, 4-25-29. He appears to be making progress but has played only 30 NHL games (second-round pick). It is unknown to me where he ranks on the Detroit depth chart but his resume suggests he could have an NHL career.
  8. C Tomas Nosek, 23. 70GP, 15-15-30. Undrafted free-agent from Czech, he has good size and is regarded as a good play-making center. Two AHL seasons have been about the same.

Eight players at the pro level, and I think you can reasonably argue six of them took substantial forward steps. Two others, Ouellett and Nosek, are gaining experience and remain legit prospects.

CONDORS PROSPECTS 2015-16

  1. C Kyle Platzer, 20. 48GP, 6-11-17. He has a solid two-way reputation and entered pro hockey after a strong junior year. His points-per-game (.354) is shy offensively, so we can’t count him as being on par with Bertuzzi after year one. A promising prospect, but he will need to force his way up the depth chart.
  2. C Bogdan Yakimov, 20. 36GP, 5-10-15. His rookie season saw Yakimov post a .491 points-per-game total—on par with Anthony Mantha. This year, he struggled, then bolted to the KHL before returning. His points-per-game total (.417) lost ground and we are at an early crossroads with this player.
  3. R Greg Chase, 20. 19GP, 1-6-7. Young winger spent most of the season in Norfolk, but should get a solid chance in Bakersfield this winter. He has no draft pedigree, but his points-per-game (.368) is equal to Platzer. Both men trail Bertuzzi.
  4. C Jujhar Khaira, 21. 49GP, 10-17-27. His .551 points-per-game this season represents a real step forward for this player. Khaira has the traditional problem with Edmonton’s AHL prospect forwards (light bat), but the gap may not be so large he cannot make the grade. The most promising season in Bakersfield’s prospect arsenal.
  5. R Anton Slepyshev, 21. 49GP, 13-8-21. A bizarre stretch in California obscures this winger’s offense. He is clearly more talented with the puck on his stick than most (if not all) Oilers forwards, but this was a wildly disappointing AHL debut.
  6. L Mitch Moroz, 21. 40GP, 5-5-10. He did improve offensively year over year (from .131 to .250) but that total is not NHL calibre.
  7. D Griffin Reinhart, 21. 30GP, 2-8-10. He fell points-per-game year over year (from .373 to .333) and had his wobbly moments in the AHL. I think he will get another half season in Bakersfield and one hopes he dominates.
  8. D Dillon Simpson, 22. 57GP, 4-16-20. He improved year over year at points-per-game (from .242 to .351). We don’t know how far he can go, but this is five years now where he has made progress. Impressive.
  9. D David Musil, 22. 67GP, 3-11-14. Defensive defender has probably done all he can do in the minors, but the way to the NHL is unclear. I think he is probably a terrific AHL shutdown blue, but every team has those guys.
  10. G Laurent Brossoit, 22. 31GP, 2.66 .920. One of the encouraging signs from Bakersfield last year, Brossoit has now built a solid resume. A late-season NHL audition perhaps takes some of the shine off, but I think the Oilers have played it mostly right with him and he may have a career.
  11. D Jordan Oesterle, 23. 44GP, 4-21-25. He improved markedly year over year in points-per-game (.377 to .568) and he has improved defensively.  Still plenty of work to do on the defensive side, but there are offensive openings. Oesterle’s offensive numbers this season are better than any Griffins in points-per-game.

Eleven players, but far fewer who had positive arrows compared to Grand Rapids. I would say the best arrows of the Edmonton group (Laurent Brossoit, Jordan Oesterle and Jujhar Khaira) are all at least slightly behind the Big 6 of Grand Rapids. If you are an Oilers fan, the hope (I think) should be that Griffin Reinhart, Bogdan Yakimov and Anton Slepyshev spike in 2016-17.

SUMMARY

Detroit’s prospects look stronger by some margin. If there was an expansion draft, I would rank the players thusly:

  1. Anthony Mantha
  2. Andreas Athanasiou
  3. Griffin Reinhart
  4. Robbie Russo
  5. Jujhar Khaira
  6. Jordan Oesterle
  7. Ryan Sproul
  8. Laurent Brossoit
  9. Tyler Bertuzzi
  10. Anton Slepyshev

FINDING KRUG

The Oilers badly need a puck moving option who can play real minutes—something Peter Chiarelli managed in Boston when signing Torey Krug. Kirk Luedeke has a very good article on him here, very worthwhile read.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun show with great guests, 10 this morning on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. How much does balance matter?
  • Andrew Bucholtz, 55-Yard Line. CFL Week 5 on the way.
  • Jeff Krushell, Krush Performance. Jays at the trade deadline, when do bats begin to slow (impact player division).

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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85 Responses to "FROM A BUICK 6"

  1. TheOtherJohn says:

    We should trade Griffin Reinhart for Pulock. NYI know the player I’m sure there’s love to get him back

  2. Kitchener says:

    Proposal: from now on, refer to “the trade” as “the Hall trade” instead of “the Larsson trade.”

    Words matter and shape our thoughts. The more we harp on “the Larsson trade” the more we’ll hang the disappointment of “the Hall trade” on a young RD that deserves no blame for how he got here.

    I didn’t like the Hall trade either, but likewise am optimistic about the increased balance and improved blueline for 2016-17.

  3. Lowetide says:

    Kitchener:
    Proposal:from now on, refer to “the trade” as “the Hall trade” instead of “the Larsson trade.”

    Words matter and shape our thoughts.The more we harp on “the Larsson trade” the more we’ll hang the disappointment of “the Hall trade” on a young RD that deserves no blame for how he got here.

    I didn’t like the Hall trade either, but likewise am optimistic about the increased balance and improved blueline for 2016-17.

    Meh. If people can’t get over the price, then they are doomed to live in 2016. Intelligent women and men can see words without causing the noun to be demonized.

  4. Bag of Pucks says:

    I’m starting to think that infamous ‘balance’ photo is the veritable white whale to the Oilogosphere’s Ahab.

  5. admiralmark says:

    Just uneducated spit balling here. But with the RHD being so cost prohibitive(or difficult to find). And the need for this team to have a right shot offensive option added to the 1PP unit. What about looking for a quality RW that can fit that mold? Would Jordan Shroeder be able to fill that role? With him being put on waivers and makes me think if not him perhaps this is a route to be explored as it could be relatively cheap, a stop gap measure until a more long term solution is found, gives cover should a Yakupov trade go down, and also could enable them to season Puljujarvi until he’s ready. If Shroeder isn’t suitable for this role there must be other options on RW that could suffice. Or am I over simplifying something thats much more difficult to solve ?

  6. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kitchener:
    Proposal:from now on, refer to “the trade” as “the Hall trade” instead of “the Larsson trade.”

    Words matter and shape our thoughts.The more we harp on “the Larsson trade” the more we’ll hang the disappointment of “the Hall trade” on a young RD that deserves no blame for how he got here.

    I didn’t like the Hall trade either, but likewise am optimistic about the increased balance and improved blueline for 2016-17.

    I like it when sports uses imaginative phrases like ‘The Thrilla in Manilla’ and ‘The Manchester Miracle.’

    Why don’t we call the Hall Trade ‘The Clusterfuck on Kingsway?’

  7. Centre of attention says:

    I think the Oilers could trade for Brent Burns at the deadline if the Sharks don’t look like they are making a run again. I doubt Burns would have much of an issue re-signing on Connor McDavids team with his old coach who he has spoken highly of.

    The Sharks should and probably will sell high on Burns rather than lose him for nothing, especially if the team is looking at a small rebuild. A rebuild of the Sharks is inevitable really, Jumbo isn’t a spring chicken anymore.

    Lets say the Sharks aren’t looking so good by February. Do they take the Oilers lottery protected first rounder (conditional if he signs) as well as a good prospect?

  8. Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    The Overpay from Kingsway

  9. admiralmark says:

    Bag of Pucks: I like it when sports uses imaginative phrases like ‘The Thrilla in Manilla’ and ‘The Manchester Miracle.’

    Why don’t we call the Hall Trade ‘The Clusterfuck on Kingsway?’

    Or the “Taylor Hall Grand Larssonry”

  10. kinger_OIL says:

    Centre of attention:
    I think the Oilers could trade for Brent Burns at the deadline if the Sharks don’t look like they are making a run again. I doubt Burns would have much of an issue re-signing on Connor McDavids team with his old coach who he has spoken highly of.

    The Sharks should and probably will sell high on Burns rather than lose him for nothing, especially if the team is looking at a small rebuild. A rebuild of the Sharks is inevitable really, Jumbo isn’t a spring chicken anymore.

    Lets say the Sharks aren’t looking so good by February. Do they take the Oilers lottery protected first rounder (conditional if he signs as well) as well as a good prospect?

    – Burns has been my call for ages…

    – He’s worth a lot less than 1st rounder fro 4 months of hockey, based on precedent transactions…

    – You get some vets to back-fill untill deadline, then you have:

    Sek-Burns
    Klef-Larsson
    Davidson – Fayne

    – with Nurse and Griff fighting like heck for minutes.

    – that’s a legitimate playoff back-end, assuming we can play .500 untill trade deadline…

  11. Bag of Pucks says:

    On a positive note for the outgoing Taylor Hall, he felt the trade was an ‘indictment’ on him as a player. Given that most agree Hall went because of trade value and the readiness of a replacement in Lucic, isn’t it fair to conclude that the trade is more of an indictment on Nurse and Reinhart? In trading Hall for cents on the dollar to fill his glaring need for a top pairing shutdown D, isn’t Chiarelli essentially saying he doesn’t buy either Nurse or Reinhart in that role for the forseeable future? I don’t know what his not addressing the PP QB need in the trade says.

    For me, the ceiling those two players hit and how quickly they hit it will ultimately define the credibility of the Hall trade. If for example, Nurse unexpectedly elevates to top pairing the season after next, the Hall trade looks increasingly questionable. He trades an elite level outscorer for one season of stopping the bleeding.

    In Chiarelli’s defense, Larsson pushes everyone a notch down the depth chart giving Reinhart and Nurse a better development path. And perhaps, that is the best reason of all for the trade? If there’s any hope of Nurse and Reinhart developing properly, that shelter had to happen.

  12. Bag of Pucks says:

    admiralmark: Or the “Taylor Hall Grand Larssonry”

    Nailed it.

  13. Bag of Pucks says:

    Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons:
    Bag of Pucks,

    The Overpay from Kingsway

    Another winner.

  14. dustrock says:

    Bohologo:
    Heading out to the hippy coast tomorrow to catch the Hip in Victoria.Anyone else going to their shows to catch the final acts of a dying legend?

    (This is not completely off-topic, the Hip sing songs about hockey, you see.)

    Have amazing tickets for next week’s show in Edmonton – friend’s sister works for Northlands and apparently nobody in their family was interested in going. Lucky me. Going to be lots of feels at the show.

    On the Hall/Larsson trade semantics, I’m not sure how much that matters, but I agree we need to be respectful of Larsson, and really, it’s in everyone’s best interests if he succeeds and the team succeeds.

    No one discussed Jordan Schroeder being on waivers from the Wild today, ahead of arbitration. Zach Laing took a look at Oilers Nation and concluded he wouldn’t be a bad bottom guy signing.

    http://oilersnation.com/2016/7/20/should-the-oilers-claim-jordan-schroeder?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

  15. Centre of attention says:

    kinger_OIL: – Burns has been my call for ages…

    – He’s worth a lot less than 1st rounder fro 4 months of hockey, based on precedent transactions…

    – You get some vets to back-fill untill deadline, then you have:

    Sek-Burns
    Klef-Larsson
    Davidson – Fayne

    – with Nurse and Griff fighting like heck for minutes.

    – that’s a legitimate playoff back-end, assuming we can play .500 untill trade deadline…

    I think the Sharks could get a first rounder for a Burns rental. There are not many players like him. He just put up 75 points and 20+ goals as a defenseman.

    If the Oilers land Burns at the deadline and are .500 at that point, I doubt the first rounder is a top 10 pick anyways. The Oilers will be making serious progress with a player like Burns back there.

  16. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Centre of attention:
    I think the Oilers could trade for Brent Burns at the deadline if the Sharks don’t look like they are making a run again. I doubt Burns would have much of an issue re-signing on Connor McDavids team with his old coach who he has spoken highly of.

    The Sharks should and probably will sell high on Burns rather than lose him for nothing, especially if the team is looking at a small rebuild. A rebuild of the Sharks is inevitable really, Jumbo isn’t a spring chicken anymore.

    Lets say the Sharks aren’t looking so good by February. Do they take the Oilers lottery protected first rounder (conditional if he signs) as well as a good prospect?

    The Sharks made the cup finals last years, and not through dumb luck either (I had them picked to win it all in my pool).

    They will be a contender next year too. So I doubt they trade Burns for picks at the deadline. They want to win a cup while they are still getting mileage out of Thornton.

    They will resign Burns. They love Burns.

  17. John Chambers says:

    LT – no Tyson Barrie on your list of RD

    Arbitration hearing is next Friday. Purely speculating but his and Troubas hearings should be the catalysts that drive activity for the position.

    Are we perhaps a week away from the second major trade of the offseason?

  18. Centre of attention says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: The Sharks made the cup finals last years, and not through dumb luck either (I had them picked to win it all in my pool).

    They will be a contender next year too.So I doubt they trade Burns for picks at the deadline.They want to win a cup while they are still getting mileage out of Thornton.

    They will resign Burns.They love Burns.

    Well, my trade proposal was assuming that they are not repeat contenders. Until Burns signs that extension it’s up for debate. Maybe he wants a change of scenery and an opportunity to play with the next Sidney Crosby?

    I think one of the reasons he has not signed yet is that he is also kind of waiting and seeing where this team goes. Was that run to the finals their peak? It’s not clear either way right now.

    If Burns makes it to free agency, I would expect the Oilers to be at the front of the line.

  19. Centre of attention says:

    John Chambers:
    LT – no Tyson Barrie on your list of RD

    Arbitration hearing is next Friday. Purely speculating but his and Troubas hearings should be the catalysts that drive activity for the position.

    Are we perhaps a week away from the second major trade of the offseason?

    A situation to watch, for sure. I would not rule out them signing Barrie via arbitration and moving a forward to make the money work. They have the option of locking up Barrie for 2 years because he filed.

  20. John Chambers says:

    Centre of attention: Well, my trade proposal was assuming that they are not repeat contenders. Until Burns signs that extension it’s up for debate. Maybe he wants a change of scenery and an opportunity to play with the next Sidney Crosby?

    If Burns makes it to free agency, I would expect the Oilers to be at the front of the line.

    I think between Sekara and Lucic the Oilers are maxed out on ‘luxury’ contracts. Brent Burns will be well into his 30’s when his contract is up, and will want 5-6 years at $6M+.

    Don’t pay for past performance. Pass.

  21. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Centre of attention,

    I hear you, and agree. All I’m saying is the odds of them not being contenders again is pretty small. I figure Anaheim will be worse next year (still good enough for the playoffs) but the division will be a two horse race between LA and SJ. Also don’t think Burns gets to free agency, but for sure agree we make a solid pitch if he does.

    For the record he’s my favorite non Oiler. I think he’s the most interesting player to watch play the game, super dynamic, physical, and doesn’t come across like the personality devoid robot I’ve come to expect from Hockey players. The league would be better with more players like him (and PK).

  22. dustrock says:

    Centre of attention: Well, my trade proposal was assuming that they are not repeat contenders. Until Burns signs that extension it’s up for debate. Maybe he wants a change of scenery and an opportunity to play with the next Sidney Crosby?

    I think one of the reasons he has not signed yet is that he is also kind of waiting and seeing where this team goes. Was that run to the finals their peak? It’s not clear either way right now.

    If Burns makes it to free agency, I would expect the Oilers to be at the front of the line.

    Hard not to see this last season as San Jose’s best shot at the Cup.

    Marleau is falling off a cliff, and though Thornton can play, not sure he can carry the team for another Cup run.

    They are both UFAs after this year and I can see the Sharks selling both or either of them off at the deadline.

    They might prefer to try to re-sign Burns this year and let Thornton and Marleau go.

  23. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Considering those two players you mentioned are Left shot and Chia took time in the post-Hall trade presser to discuss the importance of LH-RH balance (something that is important to a few folks on this blog as well) I think you’re reaching a bit with this assertion.

    The thinking (as portrayed in this sketch as a convo between Chia and TMac was probably more like

    TMac – “ok so we have Sek-Fayne who are a decent 2nd pairing and we have Klef, he has some injury problems but those are healing and man oh man did he look absolutely lights out last year, if we can find a right shot to pair with him we could have ourselves a Keith-Hjalmarsson pairing to die for.

    Chia – This Larsoon kid is a helluva bet, been taking on the toughs in NJ for awhile, had some bumps along the way but is rounding into a good -to-great defender and is Swedish to boot (they have a dman factory that continues to spit out amazing prospects over there).

    TMac- do we have an option that looks/sounds better than pairing Klef with a fellow countryman who can lock down the dzone, freeing him up to roam a bit more?

    Chia – Nope this is a great player, on a helluva contract and we could have a top parking set for a decade.

    Mac – You sure on the player?

    Chia – I’m confident in him yes, I also think it will help push everyone down the depth chart and free up Davy to play the right side if need be on a lower paring, unless we can find another right shot later on.

    TMac – Good point Davy looked good on the right earlier this year and played a bunch over their with the Condors.

    Chia – Yup, not ideal but it could work.

    TMac – Ya that way we could pari Darnell or Griff with him and let them both get used to the speed and work on their gap control. Ya Darnell had a tough slog last year when we had him playing with Sek.

    Chia – Yup definitely, it will also allow us to slow play Griff a bit more, we overestimated him last summer but I was really encouraged with his final few games late in the season.

    TMac – Yup his composure was much better.

    Chia – Sucks that Taylor has to head the other way but NJ isn’t biting on my other offers and honestly its slim pickings for RHD when everyone knows what you’re looking for.

    TMac – We can’t go into next season (or the future broadly with so many holes on D again,

    Chia – ya I know, these clowns left a stinking pile of shit here last year.

    TMac- Oh I’m aware.

  24. Lowetide says:

    John Chambers:
    LT – no Tyson Barrie on your list of RD

    Arbitration hearing is next Friday. Purely speculating but his and Troubas hearings should be the catalysts that drive activity for the position.

    Are we perhaps a week away from the second major trade of the offseason?

    I can see Colorado trading Barrie, but for an established defender. Edmonton is likely to be relunctant to make that deal imo.

  25. Oil2Oilers says:

    Ryan Sproul on waivers would be a cheap step towards balance. Even if he is not ready to help full time this year an offensive righty for the third pair and PP is exactly what the doctor ordered.

    How much would the Oilers have to add to Musil to tempt Detroit (who have long valued RHD) to tempt them into a trade for him?

    Musil + 3d? Is a third enough to balance the Lefty/Righty & Offensive/Defensive separation between two players that are essentially at the same point of there careers otherwise.

  26. kinger_OIL says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    – Nice! I also suspect their due-diligence this year concluded that hallsy wasn’t “adding to the locker-room”, and they over-weighted that, figuring McD would benefit far more from Lucic as his winger, and presence with the kids.

    – It’s been so long since we have acquired an impact player that has won a Stanley Cup, plays top-minutes, and is a leader. That matters. Like when the Jays got JoDo, Price, Tulo: winners with leadership who the other players look up to and actually deliver themselves.

  27. Centre of attention says:

    John Chambers: I think between Sekara and Lucic the Oilers are maxed out on ‘luxury’ contracts. Brent Burns will be well into his 30’s when his contract is up, and will want 5-6 years at $6M+.

    Don’t pay for past performance. Pass.

    I agree the contract would be a concern, and it would definitely be a “win now” type move.

    I’d bite the bullet and have him on my team, but that’s my opinion. You raise very valid concerns.

  28. jonrmcleod says:

    kinger_OIL: – Burns has been my call for ages…
    – He’s worth a lot less than 1st rounder fro 4 months of hockey, based on precedent transactions…

    I would say there is no chance of the Sharks trading Burns before the season starts. First of all, it would be a terrible PR move. Second, they were just in the Finals and will want to “go for it” for another year before Thorton starts showing his age. The only way I see them trading Burns is if it’s at the deadline and they’re out of the playoff race.

  29. John Chambers says:

    Lowetide: I can see Colorado trading Barrie, but for an established defender. Edmonton is likely to be relunctant to make that deal imo.

    My guess is that Chiarelli has a deal on the table that looks like Fayne (RD with salary), Reinhart, and either Yakupov or the 2017 1st for Barrie.

    Sakic is probably aiming for Pouliot, Davidson, and a 1st while also looking into a trade for Trouba (Wpg isn’t very motivated), or signing Barrie to something reasonable long-term (under $5.25M).

    I think we could see a trade but it’s dependent in Chiarelli’s willingness to move more substantial assets or Sakic caving. Sakic’s negotiating position seems rather poor and I believe our GM knows this.

  30. kinger_OIL says:

    jonrmcleod,

    – I agree : if you read my post, I said: that’s a legitimate playoff back-end, assuming we can play .500 untill trade deadline”. CoA said get Burns @ deadline, I added to it.

    – Who said Burns gets traded before the season starts?

    – I also said: “He’s worth a lot less than 1st rounder fro 4 months of hockey, based on precedent transactions”

    – My wife hasn’t hacked your account has she? She doesn’t listen either….

  31. John Chambers says:

    Centre of attention: I agree the contract would be a concern, and it would definitely be a “win now” type move.

    I’d bite the bullet and have him on my team, but that’s my opinion. You raise very valid concerns.

    If the Oilers are leading the division going into the deadline, and SJ has run out of gas based on their spring run, then I favour trading a 1st rounder + Caleb Jones for Burns as a rental.

    You might be able to re-sign the player at $6M X 5, but it probably means Jordan Eberle’s days as an Oiler expire before his current contract does.

  32. Centre of attention says:

    kinger_OIL:
    jonrmcleod,

    – I agree : if you read my post, I said:that’s a legitimate playoff back-end, assuming we can play .500 untill trade deadline”.CoA said get Burns @ deadline, I added to it.

    – Who said Burns gets traded before the season starts?

    – I also said: “He’s worth a lot less than 1st rounder fro 4 months of hockey, based on precedent transactions”

    – My wife hasn’t hacked your account has she?She doesn’t listen either….

    I still disagree with the idea that the Sharks won’t be able to grab a first rounder for Burns.

    The Islanders got a first rounder for Reinhart, I know that’s not the best comparison but this IS the Oilers we are talking about.

  33. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Oil2Oilers: How much would the Oilers have to add to Musil to tempt Detroit (who have long valued RHD) to tempt them into a trade for him?

    The Wings have long valued right shot D, yet they never had one for the last few years when Babcock was coach.

  34. Centre of attention says:

    John Chambers: If the Oilers are leading the division going into the deadline, and SJ has run out of gas based on their spring run, then I favour trading a 1st rounder + Caleb Jones for Burns as a rental.

    You might be able to re-sign the player at $6M X 5, but it probably means Jordan Eberle’s days as an Oiler expire before his current contract does.

    Which is fine because in a pinch, Burns can slide up to RW. Davidson could play top 4 on the right side in that scenario.

    Lucic-McDavid-Burns would lay waste to the NHL. Impossible to contain. The mind boggles.

  35. LMHF#1 says:

    Would Montour or Manson be more likely to be moved by the Ducks? I’m assuming Montour because of they already have so many skilled offensive defencemen, but haven’t heard enough about the Ducks to know.

  36. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Centre of attention,

    A chill ran down my back when I read this

  37. Centre of attention says:

    LMHF#1:
    Would Montour or Manson be more likely to be moved by the Ducks? I’m assuming Montour because of they already have so many skilled offensive defencemen, but haven’t heard enough about the Ducks to know.

    I think they will find a taker for Fowler eventually. They are a budget team and value young players who are inexpensive.

  38. Centre of attention says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Centre of attention,

    A chill ran down my back when I read this

    Its all blue sky speculation on my part, but still compelling stuff for sure.

    Burns would put this team over the top for the next couple years. His contract is a real concern though. Money would have to be shuffled around for sure. There is definitely an element of risk, I’ll be the first to admit that.

  39. jm363561 says:

    I still believe that Chia will get a 3C / RW and a RHD – he has picks, players to trade and (assuming LTIR for Andrew Ference) dollars. The 3C ideally would (in an ideal world be Anton Lander early 2015 model) allow TMac the flexibility to play Drai at RW when necessary, and put Puljujarvi where he belongs I.e. anywhere but the NHL.

    Klef, Sek and St Brandon, would be an excellent left side. Larsson and Fayne + new guy / Oesterle / Reinhart, is one addition shy of a decent right side. These eight + Nurse, Simpson and Musil give reasonable depth. Maybe no PP QB but Klef and St Brandon might be able to handle this.

    Can this get us to the playoffs? Too many unknowns but there is hope.

  40. kinger_OIL says:

    Centre of attention: I still disagree with the idea that the Sharks won’t be able to grab a first rounder for Burns.

    The Islanders got a first rounder for Reinhart, I know that’s not the best comparison but this IS the Oilers we are talking about.

    – well maybe your right. Anyway, we agree that they should be all over it, and if it’s the lottery-protected 1st rounder, and you had comfort that he would resign (I seem to recall Burns saying nice things about TmC), you think about it big time….

  41. jonrmcleod says:

    kinger_OIL,

    My apologies. I assumed you meant before the season. I think it’s unlikely that the Sharks will have no hope of the playoffs by trade deadline time. I can’t see them trading Burns if they’re in the hunt.

  42. Woogie63 says:

    I woke up a little grumpy this morning and I am not liking LT’s 2016 starting line-up.

    Left wing looks slow,
    Centre looks way too young to be slotted 1C, 3C and Letestu, Lander are really bad options
    Right wing without Puljajarvi looks like the opposition will be barrelling down that wing again
    Defence has three starters with 107 or less NHL games under their belt, one is slotted 1LHD
    Pray for Talbot to be healthy and effective.

  43. kinger_OIL says:

    jonrmcleod,

    – So clearly not my wife hacked your account: she never apologizes!

    – He would be hard for them to trade, agree: just have to hope they have a really bad season for Burns to be available at deadline…..

  44. dustrock says:

    LMHF#1:
    Would Montour or Manson be more likely to be moved by the Ducks? I’m assuming Montour because of they already have so many skilled offensive defencemen, but haven’t heard enough about the Ducks to know.

    I also wonder about bringing back Randy Carlyle and if that makes a difference.

    Is he good with young players?

  45. Bag of Pucks says:

    @ SAYITAIN’TSO, GRETZ, SAYITAIN’TSO!

    Agree that ‘handedness’ was a factor and could certainly see the conversation going like that.

    I guess there’s two assumptions in that convo that I have issue with.

    1) That Klefbom is safe to project as 1LD based on the current sample size and injury history
    2) That installing Larsson as the shutdown RD automatically brings out the O in KBom’s game, especially on the power play.

    I think a far more prudent projection would’ve been

    1) Acquire a RHD with O upside like Barrie, Shattenkirk or Trouba as your 1D bandaid & PP QB
    2) Sekera as the likely 1LHD partner (for now)
    3) Project one of KBom, Nurse or Reinhart to push Sekera out of the 1st slot, hopefully sooner rather than later. Competition.

    Given Shattenkirk’s contract, you likely don’t have to deal Hall to get him, and if Nurse eventually projects in the Larsson role, why are we selling England by the pound to get the Swede?

    On one hand, I can’t fault Chiarelli’s logic. He’s decided that allegedly elite ‘shutdown’ is the more difficult commodity and the PP QB can be had when cap constraints force the other team’s hand. At least, that’s what I hope he’s thinking. Cos, if he’s happy with this defence as is, I think he’s guilty of the wishful thinking of previous regimes.

  46. Jethro Tull says:

    Anybody remember when Nuge used to QB the PP like a ninja?

  47. OilClog says:

    Hall trade is an indictment that management didn’t understand that defence takes longer to translate to the NHL. Any defender drafted at the 2010 or after cant be considered part of Halls cluster.

    Any defenders the Oilers had during that time you could consider as part of the Hall cluster, they traded, or the ice broke their limbs.

    Cam Barker, Nick Schultz, Mark Fayne… Seriously, that’s the levels management reached for to provide for Hall.

    Nurse and Rhino have nothing to do with it.

  48. OilClog says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Anybody remember when Nuge used to QB the PP like a ninja?

    Poor guy has never been the same since the Swarm

  49. Centre of attention says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Anybody remember when Nuge used to QB the PP like a ninja?

    Yeah. He came back from that hand injury and picked up where he left off too, putting that wrist shot to use right away.

    McDavid is just as good already if not better. Nuge will take a secondary role I believe, but he and McDavid will be able to work together on the same unit I think.

  50. Centre of attention says:

    OilClog: Poor guy has never been the same since the Swarm

    I think Nuge was the one player who took steps forward under Eakins. He plays the place-and-chase style very well. He fits Todds system like a glove too, when healthy.

  51. Bag of Pucks says:

    OilClog:
    Hall trade is an indictment that management didn’t understand that defence takes longer to translate to the NHL. Any defender drafted at the 2010 or after cant be considered part of Halls cluster.

    Any defenders the Oilers had during that time you could consider as part of the Hall cluster, they traded, or the ice broke their limbs.

    Cam Barker, Nick Schultz, Mark Fayne… Seriously, that’s the levels management reached for to provide for Hall.

    Nurse and Rhino have nothing to do with it.

    Real shame that a player like Ekblad wasn’t up for grabs when the rebuild ‘officially’ started. Amazing what a difference he’s made to FLA in such a short span of time.

    I also think that ‘BPA’ needs to take some of the blame for this situation, as the Oil could’ve clearly drafted Larsson for need over RNH as alleged BPA in that draft.

  52. Jaxon says:

    RHD Options

    Euro Players who could be signed to ELCs:
    Nils Andersson
    Yannick Rathgeb

    UFAs Edmonton missed out on:
    Jason Demers
    David Schlemko
    Zach Redmond
    Michael Paliotta
    Morgan Ellis

    UFAs still Available:
    Luke Schenn
    James Wisniewski
    Dan Boyle
    Marek Zidlicky
    Eric Gryba
    Jakub Nakladal

    RFAs waiting for contracts:
    Rasmus Ristolainen
    Jacob Trouba
    Cody Ceci
    Tyson Barrie
    Matt Dumba
    Stefan Elliott
    Michael Stone
    Connor Carrick
    Frank Corrado
    Connor Murphy

  53. kb says:

    Does:
    Klef – Larrson
    Sekera – Davidson
    Nurse – Fayne

    Make sense, assuming Davidson is playing at the level he was last year?
    That looks acceptable by my eye.

  54. square_wheels says:

    Why did Jakub Nakladal look good ?

    Minus the stench of being a Flame, what do his fancies tell us ?

  55. Bag of Pucks says:

    Remember when Dallas Eakins sold MacT and the fanbase on the idea that the only thing preventing this team from making the playoffs was getting their VO2Max scores higher?

    Those were good times.

    Btw, I’ve been chopping wood and carrying water like a madman and my V02Max is still decidedly mediocre. Am I supposed to do both at the same time?

  56. JDï™ says:

    Bag of Pucks: Am I supposed to do both at the same time?

    Did you cut out all pastries from your diet as well?

  57. AsiaOil says:

    The obvious deal is young LHD for young RHD and there are teams whose need and surplus assets mirror ours (e.g., FLA, WPG). Helps not to be viewed as desperate.

  58. Bag of Pucks says:

    JDï™: Did you cut out all pastries from your diet as well?

    No, but I have stopped reading Terry Jones columns.

  59. Jethro Tull says:

    JDï™: Did you cut out all pastries from your diet as well?

    I cut out all letter ‘r’ from my diet, so pasties are still ok.

  60. frjohnk says:

    AsiaOil:
    . Helps not to be viewed as desperate.

    Too late for that.

    If Chia is calling I’ll bet the other GM is thinking “I wonder how much I can squeeze out of him if he really wants what I have”.

  61. Fog of Warts says:

    I just posted an epic brain dump replete with bold and italic and outbound links (now “awaiting moderation”) on the Eberle RE thread, as triggered by Bruce, who somehow never fails to serve up just the pitch you’ve been waiting for.

    It suffers from too much meat. Not enough bread. Not enough mayonnaise. Only one really good joke—flanked by so much meat, most readers will probably miss it.

    I think I almost gave myself meat poisoning just writing it down, understating just how much of Give and Take pertains to the difficulty of “takers” admitting their mistakes (or cutting loose their failed draft picks).

    Many people have no available reading speed for giant lumps of meat completely lacking in mayonnaise.

    Back when parchment cost seventeen lambs per yard, this was a common reading speed.

    With another three hours, I could go back and add mayonnaise to bring it into the modern era of seventeen lambs per disposable, chip-enforced deciliter. Not going to happen.

    I hope at least Bruce will channel his inner Tycho Brahe and make it through to the end. Bring sandwiches.

  62. admiralmark says:

    AsiaOil:
    The obvious deal is young LHD for young RHD and there are teams whose need and surplus assets mirror ours (e.g., FLA, WPG). Helps not to be viewed as desperate.

    Problem being that:
    Klefbom-Value contract expected to play 1st pairing
    Sekera-NMC seems set at 2nd pair
    Davidson-Incredibly good value contract- but does rest of league see this player and value him the same as we do? Enough to fetch the RHD we require?
    Nurse- Oiler Braintrust appears to have a vulcan death grip on this player for the time being.
    Reinhart-Doesnt seem to have the cache to bring back the RHD the team requires.

    I get that there is a plethora of LHD in the system. But I dont see a excess of “NHL” LHD. Klef/Sekera/Davidson are there but is Reinhart and Nurse? What does an Injury to any of Klef/Sekera/Davidson do to this depth? Don’t get me wrong its a gamble I would take. I just don’t see which LHD would a) Fetch the required RHD (1PP, 3rd pair/2nd pair), b) be one the Oiler Brain trust is willing to part with, c) can fit in with cap considerations. Would trading Davidson for example for a $5 mill/yr player work with the cap? Lots to consider.

  63. Bag of Pucks says:

    JDï™: http://i.imgur.com/ylMeMrn.mp4

    What a weasel he was.

    Passed George Burnett as the worst Oilers HC ever?

  64. Bag of Pucks says:

    As comments continue to manifest on the Eberle RE long past its best buy date, safe to assume that Eberle currently holds the mantle for ‘Most Polarizing Player on the Oilers?’

    At least until Adam Larsson takes the ice, Talbot lets in a softie, or Reinhart does anything to remind us of his existence.

  65. JDï™ says:

    Bag of Pucks: What a weasel he was.

    Now now – I know you didn’t mean that. It’s probably just the gluten talking.

    As for Georgie, maybe – but mgmt didn’t give him nearly as much rope as Weakins got.

    http://www.hockey-reference.com/coaches/burnege99c.html

  66. Jethro Tull says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    As comments continue to manifest on the Eberle RE long past its best buy date, safe to assume that Eberle currently holds the mantle for ‘Most Polarizing Player on the Oilers?’

    At least until Adam Larsson takes the ice, Talbot lets in a softie, or Reinhart does anything to remind us of his existence.

    Jordan Hemsky.

  67. square_wheels says:

    It seems the Flames thought Nakladal was a serviceable depth D who could actually skate and pass (cough Gryba cant cough).

    Maybe the offence is what’s holding us back but they gave him a pretty solid B rating for the 27 games he played down the stretch.

    Could he be another Czech D that could go on to 6 years of productivity ? We’ve seen one of those before ????

    http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.com/2016/6/5/11816698/2015-16-report-card-jakub-nakladal

  68. Lowetide says:

    square_wheels:
    It seems the Flames thoughtNakladal was a serviceable depth D who could actually skate and pass (cough Gryba cant cough).

    Maybe the offence is what’s holding us back but they gave him a pretty solid B rating for the 27 games he played down the stretch.

    Could he be another Czech D that could go on to 6 years of productivity ? We’ve seen one of those before ????

    http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.com/2016/6/5/11816698/2015-16-report-card-jakub-nakladal

    Gryba can defend. That has value. I do think this fellow with the unusual name is an interesting bet.

  69. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    Gryba can defend, although I find him a bit too chaotic in his outlets…..reminds me of the worst era of board ringer passing. Crease clearing is a fading skillset, need to be able to skate and pass to moving forwards before anything else. I value Oesterle over Gryba, not even close.

  70. PeOiler says:

    Jethro Tull,
    This reminded me of an old joke my Opa would tell:

    “Slippy?

    Something wrong with that word ‘slippy’.
    Where’d the ‘r’ go?

    Probably came out in the warsh I guess.”

  71. Bag of Pucks says:

    JDï™: Now now – I know you didn’t mean that. It’s probably just the gluten talking.

    As for Georgie, maybe – but mgmt didn’t give him nearly as much rope as Weakins got.

    http://www.hockey-reference.com/coaches/burnege99c.html

    Yep, you could call Slats a lot of things but indecisive wasn’t one of them.

    Tough call. Eakins had the longer tenure of idiocy but Burnett will always have the Corson C debacle as his trump card. Thankfully, the Oilers are relatively unscathed in terms of horrible coaching hires compared to other organizations.

  72. Bag of Pucks says:

    Stirred the pot on the Eberle RE post again as it seems to me that having a thread on Lowetide that never truly dies should’ve became a thing by now.

  73. godot10 says:

    kb:
    Does:
    Klef – Larrson
    Sekera – Davidson
    Nurse – Fayne

    Make sense, assuming Davidson is playing at the level he was last year?
    That looks acceptable by my eye.

    Fayne HAS to play with a veteran. He isn’t cut out to be a mentor/babysitter of a young D. Is too immobile to cover from the mistakes of a young D.

    Davidson developed as a defensemen playing right D to a chaos defender in Brad Hunt. Give him Nurse or Reinhart. Give Fayne Sekera.

  74. Fog of Warts says:

    I finally get to Cult, and Staples has also mentioned Dr. J. Weird, though it probably doesn’t violate conservation of kitchen sink coincidence.

    Usually I’m grinding Staples on this kind of thing, but today it’s Willis.

    Are the Edmonton Oilers about to repeat their Leon Draisaitl mistake with Jesse Puljujarvi?

    Now suppose we beam up every last minute of 2105–2016 to these guys ( The Gamesters of Triskelion) to wager over the young player whose previous year of development had been colossally bungled.

    I’m sure Draisaitl emerges as their instant consensus pick. Because they’re all giant brains under glass, right? They know every sport in the galaxy, and this is such as obvious case of the stunted sophomore supernova effect, they radio back farting sounds, and wonder why we bothered them.

    We can only hope PJ enjoys a stretch like that at any point during his ELC.

    Here’s how we decide the matter here on planet earth. Body language, while the rookie drinks his difficult medicine. Actual outcome a year down the road considered irrelevant.

    Too bad we couldn’t send Saddle back down at the end of his sophomore season for a booster shot of junior jungle juice.

    Please fill up my bungle mug with more, please.

    GET YOURSELF TOGETHER

    Of course, some will point out he failed to maintain his ten-game, 1995-esque Art Ross scoring pace for the whole of the season. Three players in Art Ross history have pulled off 140 point seasons: Wayne (9), Mario (4), and Phil (2).

    Excluding the above, have ten games ever been played by a sophomore at the beginning of a season who looked less ruined?

    I’m no great shakes at this, but I’ll take one swing.

    Teemu Selanne 1994 Game Log

    Nope. 7-8-15, first 10 GP, including his five-point night. Ruined! What a bum.

    Probably somebody, though. I’ll leave it to the professional Triskelions among our number to dredge up that answer from the fog of time.

  75. G Money says:

    Fog of Warts,

    Among the many reasons I love you is that I can post one of my epic wall of text rants (per Yak on the last thread) and half the time you’ll come along within a few hours and post something that makes my post look like a tweet!

  76. G Money says:

    Also re: the last thread:

    LadiesLove – yes, I should have clarified, the only thing in my post in reference to you was the request for more accuracy when slagging Yakupov (the truth suffices, no need for hyperbole). Otherwise, the rest of it was a more generalized reflection of some of what has been posted over the last week or so.

  77. G Money says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    Love that, well done.

    Hope it went down exactly like that.

    Maybe with a little time discussing all the time they spent scouting Larsson and the entire teams confidence in his ability to step up and fit the Oiler system!

  78. hunter1909 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Thankfully, the Oilers are relatively unscathed in terms of horrible coaching hires compared to other organizations.

    Hold on. What about Yakupov getting totally fucked over by Eakins?

    And who’s the genius that put RNH into the NHL when he had the physicality of a high school jock? After getting flattened 20 games into his rookie season RNH has never shown offensive chops worthy of a 1OA.

    Then we subtract Taylor Hall(oh brother), who’s development was also somewhat fucked up by Eakins and we’re left with McDavid – who for me is forever getting driven headlong into the boards by a pair of grinning Philadelphia Flyers.

  79. hunter1909 says:

    Nice to see MacT onstage at the 2016 Draft, helping keep the tradition…

    *pukes*

  80. hunter1909 says:

    godot10: Fayne HAS to play with a veteran.He isn’t cut out to be a mentor/babysitter of a young D.Is too immobile to cover from the mistakes of a young D.

    Davidson developed as a defensemen playing right D to a chaos defender in Brad Hunt.Give him Nurse or Reinhart.Give Fayne Sekera.

    Why aren’t you coaching the Oilers? Seriously, you know more than they do.

  81. Professor Q says:

    hunter1909: Hold on. What about Yakupov getting totally fucked over by Eakins?

    And who’s the genius that put RNH into the NHL when he had the physicality of a high school jock? After getting flattened 20 games into his rookie season RNH has never shown offensive chops worthy of a 1OA.

    Then we subtract Taylor Hall(oh brother), who’s development was also somewhat fucked up by Eakins and we’re left with McDavid – who for me is forever getting driven headlong into the boards by a pair of grinning Philadelphia Flyers.

    What? Nuge was *almost* flattened but actually took out the intended offender – Brenden Morrow.

    His injury was the result of a freak trip over the blue line out in the open with no other players around.

  82. spoiler says:

    Fog of Warts:
    I just posted an epic brain dump replete with bold and italic and outbound links (now “awaiting moderation”) on the Eberle RE thread, as triggered by Bruce, who somehow never fails to serve up just the pitch you’ve been waiting for.

    It suffers from too much meat.Not enough bread.Not enough mayonnaise.Only one really good joke—flanked by so much meat, most readers will probably miss it.

    I think I almost gave myself meat poisoning just writing it down, understating just how much of Give and Take pertains to the difficulty of “takers” admitting their mistakes (or cutting loose their failed draft picks).

    Many people have no available reading speed for giant lumps of meat completely lacking in mayonnaise.

    Back when parchment cost seventeen lambs per yard, this was a common reading speed.

    With another three hours, I could go back and add mayonnaise to bring it into the modern era of seventeen lambs per disposable, chip-enforced deciliter.Not going to happen.

    I hope at least Bruce will channel his inner Tycho Brahe and make it through to the end. Bring sandwiches.

    The full nine yards of gridirony… expect a first down next time you decide to hash marks onto the field of play. 😉

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