DIRECT HITS

At the beginning of June, Edmonton had a 50-man list of 38 players, 21 men who were associated with the organization but without a contract, and a bunch of issues. Here is a review of what happened over the last six weeks.

EXITING THE SYSTEM!

  1. L Taylor Hall, expert river pusher now in swamp country.
  2. L Lauri Korpikoski, bought out and looking for work.
  3. D Adam Clendening. Not qualified, signed a two-way deal with NY Rangers.
  4. L Luke Gazdic. Not qualified, signed a two-way deal with New Jersey.
  5. R Adam Cracknell, Not qualified, signed a two-way deal with Dallas.
  6. G Niklas Lundstrom. Not qualified, signed with Bjorkloven (Allsvenskan).
  7. L Kale Kessy. Not qualified, destination unknown.
  8. D Brad Hunt. UFA, signed a two-way deal with St. Louis.
  9. R Andrew Miller. UFA, signed two-way deal with Carolina.
  10. R Rob Klinkhammer. UFA, signed with Dynamo Minsk of the KHL.
  11. L Daniil Zharkov. UFA, signed with Torpedo Nizhny (KHL).
  12. D Adam Pardy. UFA, destination unknown.
  13. D Eric Gryba, UFA, destination unknown.
  14. D Nikita Nikitin, UFA, rumored to be heading to Omsk (KHL).
  15. L Josh Winquist. minor league UFA, signed by Bridgeport (AHL).
  16. C Marco Roy. minor league UFA, destination unknown.
  17. G Keven Bouchard. Unsigned, now UFA and returning to QMJHL.

That is an amazing amount of movement in six weeks. Now, that isn’t the entire story, because Edmonton retained some of the men who were looking for a job on June 3—and some of the names offer genuine surprises based on where we were a few weeks ago. I still think Gryba could be in play for an Oilers job.

Taylor Hall is the biggest name, of course. Edmonton traded (potentially) 328 games in his prime—and that cannot be pushed aside.

HA! HA! HA! HA! STAYIN’ ALIVE!

  1. R Iiro Pakarinen, signed to a $750,000 one-way deal.
  2. R Tyler Pitlick. RFA, qualified and signed a $725,000 two-way deal.
  3. D Jordan Oesterle, signed to a $585,000 two-way deal.
  4. D David Musil, RFA qualified, signing is imminent.
  5. L Ryan Hamilton. UFA, signed minor league deal with Bakersfield (AHL).
  6. R Josh Currie. Signed an AHL deal with Bakersfield.

I was legit surprised Tyler Pitlick signed, he was passed by Iiro Pakarinen a year ago and once again had injury issues. As we will see in a moment, the RW side is well stocked—but counting on Pitlick is unwise based on his own inability to stay healthy. As someone who has believed he could emerge as an NHL player, sincerely hope this is the year he stays in the lineup.

David Musil is the final June 3 name unsigned (or cast away), but Edmonton qualified him and a contract will be along in due time I am sure.

CURRENT 50-MAN (WITH MUSIL)

50-man

  • It is 47 deep, but the real current number is 45. Jones and Bear are slides that will happen. Some room, maybe two spots, as teams rarely end up at 50 on the nose.
  • I am going to guess that Todd McLellan will like Jesse Puljujarvi more than Nail Yakupov, but that is a guess. One thing I don’t entertain as a possibility—but could happen—is Zack Kassian as the 2RW.
  • Other battles we may see in camp: Gustavsson—Brossoit, Nurse—Reinhart, Lander—Khaira and I imagine Drake Caggiula is going to push.
  • Jesse Puljujarvi will have a gigantic chance to make the team.

CHIARELLI’S OILERS

CHIARELLI OILERS

  • These are Chiarelli’s Oilers. When it comes time to trade talk, it is wise to keep in mind these names were procured by the current GM.
  • Not all of the names omitted are likely to be dealt. It would be shocking to see Oscar Klefbom, Leon Draisaitl or Darnell Nurse traded, and I am quietly encouraged by the fact RNH remains on the roster.
  • Who could be vulnerable? Benoit Pouliot, Nail Yakupov, Mark Fayne—maybe even Brandon Davidson.

NAIL YAKUPOV

A lot of chatter about Yakupov as an option for the coming year, but it is important to keep in mind the player must earn the trust of the coach. I have talked and written about the possibly strong move (Yak with McDavid) but sincerely doubt Todd McLellan is entertaining that option. Seriously.

When it comes to discussion of skill spots right side this fall and winter in Edmonton, my guess is (and the RE will) focus should be on Jordan Eberle, Jesse Puljujarvi and Zack Kassian as the top options.

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  1. Mr DeBakey says:

    Jesse Puljujarvi will have a gigantic chance to make the team.

    Amen.
    Gotta get those pesky ELC years out of the way.

    * * *

    I thought that last season, when the Oilers had all their key players in the line-up, they were close.
    Its going to be interesting to see if two actual NHL pairings [two, can you imagine?] can add enough so that they’re always a threat to win.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Jesse Puljujarvi will have a gigantic chance to make the team.

    Amen.
    Gotta get those pesky ELC years out of the way.

    * * *

    I thought that last season, when the Oilers had all their key players in the line-up, they were close.
    Its going to be interesting to see if two actual NHL pairings [two, can you imagine?] can add enough so that they’re always a threat to win.

    The RE is always fun in instructing what we should expect (if all things are equal injury wise). As was the case in last year’s RE, the numbers are imminently encouraging.

  3. murphy says:

    Alot left to happen in the D market, some major players not signed yet with some interesting rumors ( please baby jesus let us get lindholm!!!!).

    After the schenn signing in azi it opens a chance they may trade murphy or stone, 4 RDs who are in an everyday line up there. This could be destination for yak who if you look at their forwards they would be able to protect in the expansion (domi and duclair not eligible). They don’t have a lot to protect up front that could be exposed. This could be a yak landing spot. I would love for it to be yak for stone but i suspect the talk is yak for murphy.

  4. GCW_69 says:

    The Oilers amaze me. Moving Hall for Larsson is a “win now” move. Counting on JP, Yak and Kassian to fill two of the top three right wing roles is playing Russian roulette, as is entering the season without another right handed defender that can move the puck. No sane GM that wants to win now would take that risk.

    I don’t understand how the Oilers are letting Versteeg go to the Swiss league. Versteeg is a consistent 35-38 point winger with good possession numbers. He’s not a big guy, but so what? Yak and Kassian are not better players at this point than Versteeg. And it’s not like Versteeg could demand a big contract if the alternative is the Swiss league. A one year deal at a million or less should do it. Why not have that safety net?

    The Oilers drive me crazy!

  5. GCW_69 says:

    How does Franson score on the new WoodMoney metric?

  6. Woogie63 says:

    I really want to see Yak with a great Center and a veteran left winger to see if we can unlock this 1OV.

    IMO it is a real shame for this valuable asset has bounced around the line up, it is very hard to determine what the development plan was for Yak other than “here is the deep end of the pool sink or swim”

  7. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: maybe even Brandon Davidson.

    Well that’s an unfortunate situation. To me, Davidson is Klefbom insurance. What if this foot thing becomes a bother again? What if Sekera takes a big hit?

    It is ridiculous to think the Oilers would trade away an all-tools all-situations type Dman like Davidson. But then again, its the Oilers. Le sigh.

    It would be so Oilers for them to protect Reinhart and lose Davidson in the expansion draft. Because Oilers.

  8. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    GCW_69:
    The Oilers amaze me. Moving Hall for Larsson is a “win now” move.Counting on JP, Yak and Kassian to fill two of the top three right wing roles is playing Russian roulette, as is entering the season without another right handed defender that can move the puck. No sane GM that wants to win now would take that risk.

    I don’t understand how the Oilers are letting Versteeg go to the Swiss league. Versteeg is a consistent 35-38 point winger with good possession numbers.He’s not a big guy, but so what?Yak and Kassian are not better players at this point than Versteeg.And it’s not like Versteeg could demand a big contract if the alternative is the Swiss league.A one year deal at a million or less should do it.Why not have that safety net?

    The Oilers drive me crazy!

    You don’t trade your best offensive player from last year for a 23 yr old dman if you are in ‘win now’ mode. Oilers are in ‘get better now’ mode but with 7 years for Lucic, Larsson still developing and JP they are building for long term success too. Not sure what 1 year of Versteeg accomplishes other than get in the way of other guy’s development.

    We all want the Oilers to win now but you gotta be careful sacrificing long term success for short term gain. The Oilers SHOULD be better and Versteeg should not play ahead of Yak who needs to develop or be showcased for the future or Kassian who still has upside IMO.

    Versteeg adds little or no value unless we went on a deep playoff run which will be tough this year. Better to give younger guys a chance see what they can do.

  9. PerryK says:

    GCW_69:
    How does Franson score on the new WoodMoney metric?

    He seems to be a 5,6,7 D by that metric. He wasn’t especially targeted by the opposition coaches, but his coach tried to shelter him a bit.

    Both Corsi Against and Dangerous Fenwick Against were poor away from home.

  10. teddyturnbuckle says:

    As far as Yak goes I don’t think you can play him on the top line with McDavid. Every team in the league knows what you are doing and you are putting the player ahead of the team. Again. No more committing to players no matter what to try and develop them. Yak and J Schultz were spoon fed for years and it cost us a lot of wins. Honestly there are way better players than Yak still available on the free agency list that you could sign for a bargain. This is why he is so hard to trade.

  11. Ryan says:

    Why does it always seem like the Oilers clog up their 50 man with Christoffers and Frasers?

    Wouldn’t it be nice to have room to claim a Holland or PRV off waivers once in a while or add a few cheap vets without worrying about running out of room?

  12. admiralmark says:

    GCW_69,

    Kiltymcbagpipes: You don’t trade your best offensive player from last year for a 23 yr old dman if you are in ‘win now’ mode. Oilers are in ‘get better now’ mode but with 7 years for Lucic, Larsson still developing and JP they are building for long term success too. Not sure what 1 year of Versteeg accomplishes other than get in the way of other guy’s development.

    We all want the Oilers to win now but you gotta be careful sacrificing long term success for short term gain. The Oilers SHOULD be better and Versteeg should not play ahead of Yak who needs to develop or be showcased for the future or Kassian who still has upside IMO.

    Versteeg adds little or no value unless we went on a deep playoff run which will be tough this year. Better to give younger guys a chance see what they can do.

    Plus I think if he still has aspirations to solve that RHD/1PP position he best hold onto that cap space for flexibility in any potential deal.

  13. pocession charge says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    As far as Yak goes I don’t think you can play him on the top line with McDavid.Every team in the league knows what you are doing and you are putting the player ahead of the team.Again.No more committing to players no matter what to try and develop them.Yak and J Schultz werespoon fed for years and it cost us a lot of wins.Honestly there are way better players than Yak still available on the free agency list that you could sign for a bargain. This is why he is so hard to trade.

    How exactly was Yakupov “spoon fed for years”? I think he’s much better than he gets credit for. Towards the end of last season, it seemed like the swarm of bees disappeared and he looked quite effective. When he finally puts it all together, he’ll be a solid NHL’er.

  14. flyfish1168 says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    As far as Yak goes I don’t think you can play him on the top line with McDavid.Every team in the league knows what you are doing and you are putting the player ahead of the team.Again.No more committing to players no matter what to try and develop them.Yak and J Schultz werespoon fed for years and it cost us a lot of wins.Honestly there are way better players than Yak still available on the free agency list that you could sign for a bargain. This is why he is so hard to trade.

    He was drafted for his offense in junior. But he plays with 3rd and 4th line players most of his time in the NHL or benched because his 3 and 4 line teammates couldn’t do any better. He does will with Roy and Mcdavid, offensive thinking players and yet you don’t want to put him in a position to succeed. Its obvious the Oilers know he has talent and don’t want to just give him away. He will succeed when he is playing with the correct centerman and that has been proven. Other teams want him cheap.

    Yah lets sewer his worth and confidence more by doing it your way.

  15. Ryan says:

    Was looking at the WoodMoney’s of the Oilers centres today. If RNH had any sense, he would invest in the Woodmoney project, then quietly shut it down.

    RNH’s numbers: 41.1/46.9/48.6.

    Draisaitl’s are zoomed by Hall, but a much nicer 50.9,50.9, 59.7

    yikes.

    As an aside, trying to search the file for players seems to give my old MacBook Pro quite the workout.

  16. Lowetide says:

    Ryan:
    Was looking at the WoodMoney’s of the Oilers centres today.If RNH had any sense, he would invest in the Woodmoney project, then quietly shut it down.

    RNH’s numbers:41.1/46.9/48.6.

    Draistat’s are zoomed by Hall, but a much nicer 50.9,50.9, 59.7

    yikes.

    As an aside, trying to search the file for players seems to give my old MacBook Pro quite the workout.

    Injury. Nuge had a season filled with injury. Would be interested in seeing the Woodmoney on him for 2014-15

  17. Bag of Pucks says:

    flyfish1168: He was drafted for his offense in junior.But he plays with 3rd and 4th line players most of his time in the NHL or benched because his 3 and 4 line teammates couldn’t do any better.He does will with Roy and Mcdavid, offensive thinking players and yet you don’t want to put him in a position to succeed.Its obvious the Oilers know he has talent and don’t want to just give him away. He will succeed when he is playing with the correct centerman and that has been proven. Other teams want him cheap.

    Yah lets sewer his worth and confidence more by doing it your way.

    It doesn’t matter what line he’s on. He can’t hit the net. One good season with an unsustainable shooting percentage and it’s been a downward trend ever since.

    Combine that with the fact that he doesn’t understand system play and he’s unmitigated chaos in the Dzone and its 100% understandable why he’s not the HC’s first choice (or second).

    Part of Yak’s problem is his dad is a coach so yak’s been getting instruction from two sides, and it’s hard to imagine the home instruction lining up with the professional standards.

    Bust with a capital B.

    Somewhere Jason Bonsignore is smiling. His title as worst Oiler draft pick ever is no longer guaranteed.

  18. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: Injury. Nuge had a season filled with injury. Would be interested in seeing the Woodmoney on him for 2014-15

    For what its worth, I think Nuge was the driver on the Poo-Nuge-Eberle line that was so dominant for the back half of the ’14-’15 season.

    He can dominate a game when healthy.

  19. Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons says:

    For me, putting Yak with McDavid is about maximizing production.

    If Yak can put up top six offense and possession #s only playing with McD and Eberle can do it on any line but not significantly better with McD than without, then it makes sense to put Yak with McD. You end up with two top six RWs instead of one.

  20. Ari says:

    GCW_69:

    I don’t understand how the Oilers are letting Versteeg go to the Swiss league. Versteeg is a consistent 35-38 point winger with good possession numbers.He’s not a big guy, but so what?Yak and Kassian are not better players at this point than Versteeg.And it’s not like Versteeg could demand a big contract if the alternative is the Swiss league.A one year deal at a million or less should do it.Why not have that safety net?

    The Oilers drive me crazy!

    Exactly. Versteeg costs next to nothing and offers a viable NHL option. If LT, says we’re at 45 contracts, it’s REALLY low risk. If anything sell him for a pick at the deadline.

    I’m as an obsessed fan as there is, but Any thoughts on what it’ll take to get Chiarelli let go. Lottery finish this year, or do we need 2 more?

  21. hunter1909 says:

    pocession charge: How exactly was Yakupov “spoon fed for years”?I think he’s much better than he gets credit for.Towards the end of last season, it seemed like the swarm of bees disappeared and he looked quite effective.When he finally puts it all together, he’ll be a solid NHL’er.

    Oilers keep tossing away these 1st overall picks and there goes the Dynasty/Here come the new St Louis Blues.

    The last part of the season saw Yakupov playing very well. Funny how no one mentioned his + – last season, while I’m at it.

    Yaks was easily as effective as Eberle who I thought stunk with McDavid. Put that in your Steve Smith.

  22. Jethro Tull says:

    Strange, that no matter how immutable the facts and figures, people will absolutely subscribe to the narratives running through their heads at any one time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJ92NbW82M

  23. Pouzar says:

    hunter1909: Yaks was easily as effective as Eberle who I thought stunk with McDavid.

    Hi Asia.

  24. Centre of attention says:

    hunter1909:

    Yaks was easily as effective as Eberle who I thought stunk with McDavid. Put that in your Steve Smith.

    Yak’s RE is going to be fun.

    In my opinion, I give the overall edge to Eberle. I think Ebs has an established level of production and for the most part knows where to be on the ice. He can also produce with all of Edmonton’s top 3 centers. Coaches value that type of consistency a lot.

    Yakupov shows flashes, limited segments of brilliant play where it appears hes got it. Then he does that little button hook at the blue line and puts someone offside. Or he turns over the puck in his own zone. Or he starts looking lost for a couple shifts.

    Yak needs to find some consistency. Perhaps it is up to the coach to lock him into the top line spot regardless of any misadventures along the way. I just struggle to see a reality where a veteran coach like Todd would actually do that. They like to start up the blender when things go bad.

    Thus, we are at a crossroads. Either the coach gives Yak the rope he needs to find his place, or he gets banished to Planet Letestu again and then probably traded. I maintain that Yak would be better off in another city, not a slight against Yak but just an acknowledgement of the situation at hand.

    My 2 cents on Yak Vs Eberle.

  25. Ducey says:

    Ari: Exactly.Versteeg costs next to nothing and offers a viable NHL option.If LT, says we’re at 45 contracts, it’s REALLY low risk.If anything sell him for a pick at the deadline.

    I’m as an obsessed fan as there is, but Any thoughts on what it’ll take to get Chiarelli let go.Lottery finish this year, or do we need 2 more?

    BOS drafted Versteeg. Chia traded him. He would know him pretty well having watched him develop.

    Versteeg has played for 6 teams. He is a mid 30 pt scorer without a lot of size. He isn’t good enough to play top 6. Last year he had some of the fewest DZ starts on the Kings/ Car. And he made $4 million.

    He isn’t going to come that cheap and he isn’t going to play the tough minutes to protect the kids – he is going to steal cherry minutes.

    A poor fit in EDM – and apparently in any other NHL city.

  26. flyfish1168 says:

    Bag of Pucks: It doesn’t matter what line he’s on. He can’t hit the net. One good season with an unsustainable shooting percentage and it’s been a downward trend ever since.

    Combine that with the fact that he doesn’t understand system play and he’s unmitigated chaos in the Dzone and its 100% understandable why he’s not the HC’s first choice (or second).

    Part of Yak’s problem is his dad is a coach so yak’s been getting instruction from two sides, and it’s hard to imagine the home instruction lining up with the professional standards.

    Bust with a capital B.

    Somewhere Jason Bonsignore is smiling. His title as worst Oiler draft pick ever is no longer guaranteed.

    Lockout and part of last season was very good for Yak. He has had success if you look back at his time with proper linemates. Yak is an Oiler like it or not. We want every player on our team to succeed. Yak even said give me a consistent experience centerman, so he stayed with Roy. Was that maturity on his part and showed success. He was drafted for his offense. He has not even had 5 YEARS post draft and you are calling him a bust. Way to cut into his development time along with the some of the incompetent Oiler management.

    Not saying saying Yak is not some at fault. Just remember 5 years and he is our player and we should want all of our players to play to their potential and succeed. JMHO

    I am not going to post on this matter anymore

  27. hunter1909 says:

    Pouzar: Hi Asia.

    Asia’s no fool.

  28. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909: Asia’s no fool.

    I definitely would never get involved in a land war within him or her.

    A classic blunder.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mTlnrXFAXE

  29. hunter1909 says:

    Centre of attention: Yak’s RE is going to be fun.

    In my opinion, I give the overall edge to Eberle. I think Ebs has an established level of production and for the most part knows where to be on the ice. He can also produce with all of Edmonton’s top 3 centers. Coaches value that type of consistency a lot.

    Yakupov shows flashes, limited segments of brilliant play where it appears hes got it. Then he does that little button hook at the blue line and puts someone offside. Or he turns over the puck in his own zone. Or he starts looking lost for a couple shifts.

    Yak needs to find some consistency. Perhaps it is up to the coach to lock him into the top line spot regardless of any misadventures along the way. I just struggle to see a reality where a veteran coach like Todd would actually do that. They like to start up the blender when things go bad.

    Thus, we are at a crossroads. Either the coach gives Yak the rope he needs to find his place, or he gets banished to Planet Letestu again and then probably traded. I maintain that Yak would be better off in another city, not a slight against Yak but just an acknowledgement of the situation at hand.

    My 2 cents on Yak Vs Eberle.

    Methinks sans Hall(who I’m 100% convinced didn’t like Yaks) Yakupov turns up firing on all cylinders, astonishing everyone this side of San Diego.

    I’d like to make a bet on it, but gambling isn’t designed for this, despite the hype over computerization.

  30. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull: I definitely would never get involved in a land war within him or her.

    A classic blunder.

    I agree. Both Asia’s are best left alone to do their thing.

  31. JDï™ says:

    Ari: Any thoughts on what it’ll take to get Chiarelli let go

    If he doesn’t improve his compeltiveness, he’s gone before the season starts.

  32. Centre of attention says:

    hunter1909: Methinks sans Hall(who I’m 100% convinced didn’t like Yaks) Yakupov turns up firing on all cylinders, astonishing everyone this side of San Diego.

    I’d like to make a bet on it, but gambling isn’t designed for this, despite the hype over computerization.

    Agree the biggest thing working against Yak is Yak. If he can find clarity in his role, I think he might be able to put up some points.

    The coach has a hand in his deployment as well though and that’s where things get murky.

  33. Moose says:

    murphy:
    Alot left to happen in the D market, some major players not signed yet with some interesting rumors ( please baby jesus let us get lindholm!!!!).

    After the schenn signing in azi it opens a chance they may trade murphy or stone, 4 RDs who are in an everyday line up there. This could be destination for yak who if you look at their forwards they would be able to protect in the expansion (domi and duclair not eligible). They don’t have a lot to protect up front that could be exposed. This could be a yak landing spot. I would love for it to be yak for stone but i suspect the talk is yak for murphy.

    Michael Stone tore his ACL and MCL in early April and was forecast to be out a minimum of 6 months. I think the glut of RH D in Arizona is partially to account for that. Long rehab and won’t be ready to start the season. Think they want some cover in the event it takes him a while to get his game up to speed.

  34. Bag of Pucks says:

    hunter1909: Oilers keep tossing away these 1st overall picks and there goes the Dynasty/Here come the new St Louis Blues.

    The last part of the season saw Yakupov playing very well. Funny how no one mentioned his + – last season, while I’m at it.

    Yaks was easily as effective as Eberle who I thought stunk with McDavid. Put that in your Steve Smith.

    Maybe it’s cos they drafted the wrong players first overall to begin with?

    If you look at the teams where Russians have thrived (Detroit, Washington) there’s a lot of them. The language barrier could be an issue. Yak’s first mentor was Khabibulin. Probably not the best choice.

    All that aside, he’s an alleged sniper that can’t hit the net. That simple inability to do the task you’re hired for is 100% on him imo.

  35. hunter1909 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Maybe it’s cos they drafted the wrong players first overall to begin with?

    The fools who drafted him…

    Bag of Pucks: If you look at the teams where Russians have thrived (Detroit, Washington) there’s a lot of them. The language barrier could be an issue.

    The fools who drafted him…

    Bag of Pucks: Yak’s first mentor was Khabibulin. Probably not the best choice.

    The fools who drafted him…

    Bag of Pucks: All that aside, he’s an alleged sniper that can’t hit the net. That simple inability to do the task you’re hired for is 100% on him imo.

    I think you have a point. To my hockey eye Yakupov’s trying to play a game of candidate master level chess, except with no one associated with the team possessing a shred of any talent handling ability – the kind that Sather routinely used on space cadets like Anderson.

    This summer I’ve watched a couple of Youtube games – and Messier/Anderson played with some kind of borderline wicked abandon.

  36. Lowetide says:

    Bag of Pucks: Maybe it’s cos they drafted the wrong players first overall to begin with?

    Actually, they didn’t.

  37. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    everyone of us vied for Seguin, Larsson, Lindholm, and Eichel

  38. rickithebear says:

    hunter1909: Oilers keep tossing away these 1st overall picks and there goes the Dynasty/Here come the new St Louis Blues.

    The last part of the season saw Yakupov playing very well. Funny how no one mentioned his + – last season, while I’m at it.

    Yaks was easily as effective as Eberle who I thought stunk with McDavid. Put that in your Steve Smith.

    No one stunk with Mcdavid.
    well………

    But some payers can drive play with other partners.
    positive Golal diff pairs:
    Pouliot-Eberle
    Kassian – Eberle
    Draisatl-Kassian
    Maroon – Draisatl
    Pouliot-Draisatl
    Draisatl- Pakarinen
    RNH-Draisatl
    RNH- Pakarinen
    RNH – Pitlick
    Khaira-RNH
    Hendricks – RNH
    Kassian – Pakarinen
    Hendricks – Pakarinen
    Hendricks – Lander
    Hendricks – Letestu

    so you play mcdavids with the forwards that need him.
    the only one really is
    yak who is only successful with mcdcvid.
    the only forward of 14 he had a+ve diff with.
    yak is a goal diff anchor the last 3 years.

    personally he is on par with Schultz in the addition by subtraction.

  39. blainer says:

    hunter1909: Methinks sans Hall(who I’m 100% convinced didn’t like Yaks) Yakupov turns up firing on all cylinders, astonishing everyone this side of San Diego.

    I’d like to make a bet on it, but gambling isn’t designed for this, despite the hype over computerization.

    Bang On !! Been saying this for a long time. The loss of Hall will help Yak for sure IMO.

    Yak needs to be practicing his shot and learning how to gain the blue line and needs a skills coach.

    If were keeping Yak and I was for a trading him.. but .. I think they are gonna give him one more chance. Play him with CMD and Looch and he will learn fast. He knows he just has to get the puck to CMD and get open. Looch is solid defensively as is CMD so Yak will be fine even against top comp.

    I also think Yak will listen to CMD and Looch and really do believe there was a big disconnect with Hall. I think the coach and Chia may also believe this. I don’t think he gets traded at this time for pennies.

    I can’t believe I am changing my opinion on this player. I do believe though he is on a very short leash and needs to produce from the very first game onward.

  40. norm_klassen says:

    i will laugh if we sign sam gagner for a mil and he gets 60 points on mc davifs wing

  41. lynn says:

    I’m looking forward to Jujhar Khaira’s third season of playing at the pro level after years of playing at different levels–BCHL, NCAA, WHL. Once he knows what he is facing, his quality of play always seems to progress.

    Also, Jujhar’s playing 15 NHL games last season was an eye-opener: He knows what skills he has to improve on in the off-season to become a regular with the Oilers.

  42. JimmyV1965 says:

    GCW_69:
    The Oilers amaze me. Moving Hall for Larsson is a “win now” move.Counting on JP, Yak and Kassian to fill two of the top three right wing roles is playing Russian roulette, as is entering the season without another right handed defender that can move the puck. No sane GM that wants to win now would take that risk.

    I don’t understand how the Oilers are letting Versteeg go to the Swiss league. Versteeg is a consistent 35-38 point winger with good possession numbers.He’s not a big guy, but so what?Yak and Kassian are not better players at this point than Versteeg.And it’s not like Versteeg could demand a big contract if the alternative is the Swiss league.A one year deal at a million or less should do it.Why not have that safety net?

    The Oilers drive me crazy!

    This

  43. JimmyV1965 says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: is

    Kiltymcbagpipes: You don’t trade your best offensive player from last year for a 23 yr old dman if you are in ‘win now’ mode. Oilers are in ‘get better now’ mode but with 7 years for Lucic, Larsson still developing and JP they are building for long term success too. Not sure what 1 year of Versteeg accomplishes other than get in the way of other guy’s development.

    We all want the Oilers to win now but you gotta be careful sacrificing long term success for short term gain. The Oilers SHOULD be better and Versteeg should not play ahead of Yak who needs to develop or be showcased for the future or Kassian who still has upside IMO.

    Versteeg adds little or no value unless we went on a deep playoff run which will be tough this year. Better to give younger guys a chance see what they can do.

    I don’t see how gifting guys spots in the lineup is good for their development. Isn’t that exactly what we have always done? Make guys earn their spot. Versteeg does that.

  44. BONVIE says:

    People realize that if Yak was playing on the top line with McDavid, that he would be facing the other teams top line and top pair defense. It’s not just about how many goals a line puts up but rather the goal differential.

    When Yak played with McDavid last year and had success it was against second and third line competition. Now that Hall is gone McDavid will only play against the top line and top pair of the opposing teams, so you better give him a RW who can play against those level of players.

  45. BONVIE says:

    blainer: Bang On !! Been saying this for a long time. The loss of Hall will help Yak for sure IMO.

    Yak needs to be practicing his shot and learning how to gain the blue line and needs a skills coach.

    If were keeping Yak and I was for a trading him.. but .. I think they are gonnagive him one more chance. Play him with CMD and Looch and he will learn fast. He knows he just has to get the puck to CMD and get open. Looch is solid defensively as is CMD so Yak will be fine even against top comp.

    I also think Yak will listen to CMD and Looch and really do believe there was a big disconnect with Hall. I think the coach and Chia may also believe this. I don’t think he gets traded at this time for pennies.

    I can’t believe I am changing my opinion on this player. I do believe though he is on a very short leash and needs to produce from the very first game onward.

    The loss of Hall will not help any of the forwards on this team, with Hall came the shelter. That narrative that Hall made Yak play like it was the first time he played organized hockey is ludicrous.

  46. Oilspill says:

    Top lines don’t always face top lines. That’s a fallacy! When a team has last change they often put their best checking line out against the top line IF they can handle it. This is often why the player have lower fake proxy possession numbers. They are out in a shutdown role. The clowns who don’t know this don’t know the game.

    BONVIE:
    People realize that if Yak was playing on the top line with McDavid, that he would be facing the other teams top line and top pair defense.It’s not just about how many goals a line puts up but rather the goal differential.

    When Yak played with McDavid last year and had success it was against second and third line competition. Now that Hall is gone McDavid will only play against the top line and top pair of the opposing teams, so you better give him a RW who can play against those level of players.

  47. blainer says:

    BONVIE: The loss of Hall will not help any of the forwards on this team, with Hall came the shelter. That narrative that Hall made Yak play like it was the first time he played organized hockey is ludicrous.

    On may nights I watched Hall NOT pass the puck to Yak when he was wide open for a one timer. Now I get that Yak missed that net a lot but often I witnessed this with Hall and Yak.

    Actually had this very same chat with a poster last winter who said that Hall would never do that. The very next game they played I watched it happen again. This time it was one of the worst times I had ever watched Hall opt NOT to pass to Yak when he actually had an open Net.

    Now I am not a fan of Yak’s at all but IMO the loss of Hall WILL help Yak. I will follow that up by saying the loss of Hall hurts this team immensely and that I did not see Hall do this with any other teammate .

    No where in any of my posts have I ever made it seem as though Hall made Yak look like it was his first organized game.

  48. JimmyV1965 says:

    Oilspill:
    Top lines don’t always face top lines. That’s a fallacy! When a team has last change they often put their best checking line out against the top line IF they can handle it. This is often why the player have lower fake proxy possession numbers. They are out in a shutdown role. The clowns who don’t know this don’t know the game.

    But of course the McDavid line was shelteredp last year. Of that there is no dispute. That shelter disappears this year.

  49. blainer says:

    BONVIE:
    People realize that if Yak was playing on the top line with McDavid, that he would be facing the other teams top line and top pair defense.It’s not just about how many goals a line puts up but rather the goal differential.

    When Yak played with McDavid last year and had success it was against second and third line competition. Now that Hall is gone McDavid will only play against the top line and top pair of the opposing teams, so you better give him a RW who can play against those level of players.

    Two things here..

    When the coach plays at home he will have the last change. That means the coach will put the CMD line out against weaker comp that is what coach’s do.

    When on the road or even when they play at home the opposing coach will always try to match his top players against CMD other than when it’s on a faceoff. It would not matter if Hall was still here or not. IMO Yak might just do OK with Connor as he understands that he just has to get him the puck.

    Now does that mean I would rather we keep Yak ? the answer for me is no but I am OK for them to give it one more spin based on Yak’s trade value.

  50. Ari says:

    Ducey: BOS drafted Versteeg. Chia traded him. He would know him pretty well having watched him develop.

    Versteeg has played for 6 teams. He is a mid 30 pt scorer without a lot of size. He isn’t good enough to play top 6. Last year he had some of the fewest DZ starts on the Kings/ Car. And he made $4 million.

    He isn’t going to come that cheap and he isn’t going to play the tough minutes to protect the kids – he is going to steal cherry minutes.

    A poor fit in EDM – and apparently in any other NHL city.

    Versteeg doesn’t have to play top 6 to be an improvement. Just better than Yak and Kassian. And yes, mid-30 points is. I doubt his ask is anywhere near $4M. At this point in the offseason I’d be very surprised to see anyone signs for even $2M.

    I also think the Oilers have enough size.

  51. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lowetide: Actually, they didn’t.

    Seguin, Landeskog, Murray

    OR

    Seguin, Larsson, Galchenyuk

    What we got:

    Larsson (Hall), RNH, Bust

  52. rickithebear says:

    desjardins
    comp numbers were based on EVp/60 production.
    that was the first thing I checked.

    RNH #57 comp mid 1st comp
    Draisatl #72 comp bot 1st comp
    Mcdavid #79 Comp bot 1st comp
    Eberle #86 comp bot 1st comp
    Pouliot #136 comp mid 2nd comp

  53. rickithebear says:

    If JP is more positionally Sound than Yak:
    1. his superior size
    2. his superior accurate release
    3. His superior Passing
    4. superior speed
    will earn him a RW spot.

  54. haters says:

    Bag of Pucks: Seguin, Landeskog, Murray

    OR

    Seguin, Larsson, Galchenyuk

    What we got:

    Larsson (Hall), RNH, Bust

    Interesting. I didn’t think there were people out there that still put the blame on the 1st overall players and not the mismanaged/coached team they were saddled with…

    Not on this blog at least.

    Yak is fine. It’s just unfortunate that he can’t bring anything to Rnh’s line when he’s on it. Most other centers that had a clue offensively I think he played moderately well for.

    Time will tell but a healthy Yak paired with Drai or McD would produce.

    If you want some insight on Russian hockey watch Red Army on Netflix.
    Yak just needs someone that thinks the game like he does and I think he has that in McDavid .

  55. hunter1909 says:

    rickithebear:
    If JP is more positionally Sound than Yak:
    1. his superior size
    2. his superior accurate release
    3. His superior Passing
    4. superior speed
    will earn him a RW spot.

    Yes of course but they still need a stand in after 30 games, once JP gets his season ending shoulder injury.

    Or gets attacked by a ref.

  56. rickithebear says:

    Hunter:

    Yakupov:
    13-14 -33 #883/886
    14-15 -35 #882/882
    15-16 -16 #868/898

    way better!

    LMFAO!

  57. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    And yet another thread devolves into a yak love/hate session. For the statistically inclined, how many devolves/60 posts is that? LT, please save us all with an afternoon post. On really any non-yak topic. Thanks in advance.

  58. thehop says:

    hunter1909: Yes of course but they still need a stand in after 30 games, once JP gets his season ending shoulder injury.

    Or gets attacked by a ref.

    Or gets attacked by a ref.

    Thank god I’m not the only one who saw it that way.. That ref is still an asshole in my book

  59. BONVIE says:

    Oilspill:
    Top lines don’t always face top lines. That’s a fallacy! When a team has last change they often put their best checking line out against the top line IF they can handle it. This is often why the player have lower fake proxy possession numbers. They are out in a shutdown role. The clowns who don’t know this don’t know the game.

    When the Oilers gave Gordon away this was the last time they had a 3rd line that might intentionally be iced with the oppositions scoring lines. In many years of coaching minor hockey you would be surprised how often both coaches are content with power on power and playing line for line. I think during the 80’s was the peak of the checking line, I know the Oilers loved having The Dirk Graham’s of the world trying to match Wayne Gretzky’s ice time.

    In regards to the Oilers I find it extremely beneficial to use Gmoneys site after each game even the ones I don’t get a chance to watch to see the matchups. It’s all right on his site for each game it gives you a pretty detailed snapshot of match ups, and almost every other useful metric. With the exception of a few home games where we had the last change Hall’s line always plays against the best, when Hall and Draisatel were left with lesser competition such as the big game with the Rangers they slaughter their competition.

  60. BONVIE says:

    blainer: Two things here..

    When the coach plays at home he will have the last change. That means the coach will put the CMD line out against weaker comp that is what coach’s do.

    When on the road or even when they play at home the opposing coach will always try to match his top players against CMD other than when it’s on afaceoff. It would not matter if Hall was still here or not. IMO Yak might just do OK with Connor as he understands that he just has to get him the puck.

    Now does that mean I would rather we keep Yak ? the answer for me is no but I am OK for them to give it one more spin based on Yak’s trade value.

    Well line matching isn’t quite as straight forward as that especially when your not the better team that wins the face offs. There are so many tricks like throwing two thirds of your line out then having the other two change on the fly, I always found it easier to match d pairs to opposing lines, but if the road coach really wants to avoid certain match ups or vice versa it can get pretty confusing for the quick line changes and can be more of a distraction that it is even worth.

  61. ace says:

    Bag of Pucks: Seguin, Landeskog, Murray

    OR

    Seguin, Larsson, Galchenyuk

    What we got:

    Larsson (Hall), RNH, Bust

    I’ve got last weeks winning lottery numbers through the power of hindsight! Yay!

  62. ace says:

    rickithebear:
    If JP is more positionally Sound than Yak:
    1. his superior size
    2. his superior accurate release
    3. His superior Passing
    4. superior speed
    will earn him a RW spot.

    He’s obviously a better player at the NHL level. We know this for sure because of all the games he has played there….

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