CRUEL SUMMER

Well, that happened. It seemed like one minute we were talking about Jason Demers as an option, and the next minute we were asking Mr. Google about Adam Larsson. Peter Chiarelli’s master plan is not being heralded as brilliant, with many still in an uproar. PC’s next step (he cannot reverse the trade) should be to construct a roster with depth and balance—designed to push toward the post-season. With most of the summer in the rear view, I am not seeing it. This blog is pro-Chiarelli, but it is impossible at this point in summer to point at the moves April+ as ideal. An offseason that required pinpoint decisions, clarity and vision has fallen far short of the goal. I sincerely hope he isn’t done.

CHIARELLI’S MAIN LIST

  1. Top-pairing RHD (Two-way skills—Adam Larsson)
  2. Find a replacement for Taylor Hall once they traded him (Milan Lucic)
  3. Backup goalie (Jonas Gustavsson)
  4. Second-pairing RHD (Offensive defenseman)
  5. Acquire RHC with some skill
  • Peter Chiarelli: “We have to improve our defence, which we did. And we have to get bigger and heavier, with skill, which we did. I felt we’ve improved the team significantly. The proof will be in the pudding.” Source

I agree with Chiarelli, the defense is improved. I am a stone alone in this, but for me a RHD of Larsson, Fayne and Davidson represents real improvement over opening night one year ago (Klefbom—Schultz, Sekera—Fayne, Reinhart—Gryba). If the Oilers start Klefbom—Larsson, Sekera—Fayne, Nurse—Davidson, you will not hear me bitch about it—although there is still much work to do. The new blue is better from a year ago. Although there is no power-play hammer from the point, Todd McLellan could use a forward on the point until a satisfactory option is secured.

I do not agree that the team needed to be bigger and heavier—getting better should be the goal, and up front this crew was golden before the Hall trade (three scoring lines!). More depth is a key. I think the top line (Lucic-McDavid-Eberle) should hum and there is a 2line here (Pouliot—Nuge—Leon) but there isn’t much left for the bottom two lines. If Chiarelli has fixed this, I cannot see it from here. One worries they believe Jesse Puljujarvi will be ready to push opening night.

The goaltending remains an issue because PC did not (not really) address it, and remember I do like Cam Talbot as the starter. Jonas Gustavsson is beyond risky as a substantial backup, and last time we saw Laurent Brossoit he was not hammering down the backup job. That is a fact.

PLAYOFF CALIBRE OILERS

  • L1: Lucic—McDavid—Eberle
  • L2: Pouliot—Nuge—Draisaitl
  • L3: Maroon—??—??
  • L4: ??—Letestu—Kassian
  • D1: Klefbom—Larsson
  • D2: Sekera—Fayne
  • D3: ??—Davidson
  • G1: Talbot
  • G2: ??

Five question marks. Too many. Seriously. Connor McDavid is a fantastic talent and I do think the defense and goaltending will be better, but why have the Oilers done so little work on the 3 and 4 lines? Comes the answer: Jesse Puljujarvi! I honestly believe Nail Yakupov on the 1line is a strong option, doubt the Oilers feel that way.

ROSTER LOCKS (100 PERCENT) (19)

  • Goal (1): Cam Talbot
  • Defense (6): Oscar Klefbom, Adam Larsson, Andrej Sekera, Mark Fayne, Brandon Davidson, Darnell Nurse
  • Center (4): Connor McDavid, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Leon Draisaitl, Mark Letestu
  • Left Wing (4): Milan Lucic, Benoit Pouliot, Patrick Maroon, Matt Hendricks
  • Right Wing (4): Jordan Eberle, Nail Yakupov, Zack Kassian, Iiro Pakarinen

2016-17 HOPEFULS

  1. R Jesse Puljujarvi. 80 percent. The more I look at this summer, the more it appears (to me) Edmonton views JP as a plug-and-play. If we see Brandon Pirri signing, the numbers will go down.
  2. G Jonas Gustavsson. 60 percent. I have been looking into his back story and this is basically a waiver player.
  3. LD Jordan Oesterle. 50 percent. Oesterle is in a very good spot as it relates to the fall NHL roster—things could change, but at this point he projects as 7D or early callup. Can play RH side, has mobility and experience.
  4. C Anton Lander. 45 percent. I am fine with Letestu as 4C but Lander’s 2015-16 season has me legit worried about the depth at the position. Now, we are not back in 2008 here, the Oilers are loaded at the position. Still, expect his number to go down if the Oilers procure anything resembling a replacement.
  5. G Laurent Brossoit. 40 percent. He posted .918 and .920 save percentages in his last two AHL seasons, and the Oilers clearly believe in him. I think it is unlikely LB wins the job outright this fall, but the decision to make Gustavsson the third option is a tell all the same.
  6. LD David Musil. 39 percent. Musil is my No. 2 choice for 7D if there is an internal solution. He has one big advantage—because he requires waivers, Edmonton may keep him if the club values him in a big way. As you may recall, Brandon Davidson was the No. 8 defender last fall when the season began.
  7. C Jujhar Khaira. 29 percent. He is in a very good spot entering training camp. Khaira is in a position to push several forwards (Lander, Hendricks) and may end up as a regular on the 4line by season’s end.
  8. R Taylor Beck. 16 percent. One of the truly difficult player-types to project, because we don’t really know him and yet he has NHL experience. The contract ($650,000 NHL and $250,000 AHL) has the look of the AHL side being important—suggesting Beck will spend time there.
  9. R Tyler Pitlick. 12 percent. Perennial candidate for an NHL job, Pitlick has been a pro hockey player since the fall of 2011. In the five years since then, he has played 27 NHL games and almost 200 AHL games—meaning he is averaging fewer than 50 pro games a year.
  10. L Drake Caggiula. 10 percent. I think his chances of making the opening night roster are not high, mostly due to Puljujarvi falling to Edmonton. I also think there is a very real chance he is on the roster by the trade deadline.
  11. R Anton Slepyshev. 7 percent. Makes the list because there are many elements Edmonton looks for in a player—size, speed and skill. He did not show enough offense last year, and that is  a concern. He is apparently working hard getting ready for camp.
  12. LD Mark Fraser. 5 percent. I think this is probably a Bakersfield signing, but you never know and Edmonton clearly wants an intimidating aspect to the defense during the 2016-17 season.
  13. LD Griffin Reinhart. 5 percent. I would rank him higher save the bonus worry. Reinhart is in a strange spot on this roster, he could help himself in a big way with a strong training camp. My RE has him playing close to half a season, we will see.
  14. LD Dillon Simpson. 1 percent. He is near the end of the prospect pool at the pro level, but continues to improve a little each season. I think he may get his first cup of coffee in the NHL.
  15. R Patrick Russell. 1 percent. A real long shot—new pro, speed a concern—but he has size and is physical so has a chance.

LIKELY ROSTER OPENING NIGHT

  • Goal (2): Cam Talbot, Jonas Gustavsson
  • Defense (7): Oscar Klefbom, Adam Larsson, Andrej Sekera, Mark Fayne, Brandon Davidson, Darnell Nurse, Jordan Oesterle
  • Center (5): Connor McDavid, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Leon Draisaitl, Mark Letestu, Anton Lander
  • Left Wing (4): Milan Lucic, Benoit Pouliot, Patrick Maroon, Matt Hendricks
  • Right Wing (5): Jordan Eberle, Jesse Puljujarvi, Nail Yakupov, Zack Kassian, Iiro Pakarinen

Folks, it isn’t enough, by plenty. It is August, and the only conclusion a reasonable person can reach is that the city of Edmonton is doomed to another winter of cheering for a losing team. At least the seats are nicer and the sight lines for goals against will be clearer.

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  1. Mr DeBakey says:

    D3: ??—Davidson

    A play-off D would be Davidson – ?? methinks.

    That Goaltending.
    WTF are they thinking.
    The Oilers are one blue paint collision away from draughting in the Top 5 again.

  2. Receptor Antagonist says:

    Of all the off-season moves that have me uncomfortable, and there are several, the backup goalie is the one that has me most worried.

    Did the better options out there look at the past few years and just flat out refuse to sign here at the risk of destroying their futures? Does management seriously think JG was a good viable option? If the answer is the latter then be afraid. Be very afraid.

  3. leadfarmer says:

    I don’t think Chia wants to be done, but the asking price for right handed defensemen, the perceived low value of Oilers players, and Chia only had one Hall to trade likely means that he is done. Once again we are one key injury away from disaster.

    Hopefully we have learned our lesson about crowning a hire as a success until they start doing their job or have some results. Stu was definitely not magnificent. MacT was a disaster, but I’m glad he got his MBA. TMac is ok but his comments about three scoring lines raises an eyebrow or two and may be behind the times, Chia seems to be shooting from the hip. At least Howson is gone,

  4. DBO says:

    Maybe the booze from last night is still too present in my system, but I am definitely more optimistic on the season. I do however agree that two more vets signed and we have real depth.

    Puljarvi is being underestimated in my opinion. He is a two way speed demon with skill. Yes he is young, but he played against men and I believe he will be a driver of play. Put him with Draisatl and watch them dominate the soft parade.

    Having said that, please sign the Wiz and either Hudler (who can play RW and play with skill effectively as seen in cowtown) or someone like Ruutu (who can play RW or centre, kill penalties and play a two way game). These signings give us depth and balance. And they only cost money, come with one year deals and force the Oilers brass to send kids to the minors to season more effectively.

    Come on chia! I want to finally see the BALANCE photo LT has been teasing for a decade!

  5. leadfarmer says:

    Receptor Antagonist:
    Of all the off-season moves that have me uncomfortable,and there are several, the backup goalie is the one that has me most worried.

    Did the better options out there look at the past few years and just flat out refuse to sign here at the risk of destroying their futures or does management seriously think JG was a good viable option? If the answer is the latter then be afraid. Be very afraid.

    I can see it now. Talbot gets injured. Backups cost us games. Chia overpays for a backup that he should have signed in the offseason.

  6. John Chambers says:

    The Oilers still have $4-$5 million left in cap space.

    I can’t imagine they move into the new building having not addressed the left-right imbalance.

    At worst we probably see Gryba added is my guess.

  7. Jethro Tull says:

    “Folks, it isn’t enough, by plenty. It is August, and the only conclusion a reasonable person can reach is that the city of Edmonton is doomed to another winter of cheering for a losing team. At least the seats are nicer and the sight lines for goals against will be clearer.”

    Damn….if only Demers would have signed here. Another second -pairing d man at extortionate money and ridiculous term would have guaranteed play-offs.

    If Chia went into next year with the same forwards as last year, and only have added Demers, then I think he may not have lasted until christmas. In a way, the Larsson trade brought him time.

    LT, i really don’t agree with the last paragraph of your post today. It’s kind of blackmail. Either believe that Edmonton is going to lose or you’re an unreasonable person. There’s still a lot of road between then and now. Let’s at least see how there going to do with Larsson and Klef as top pairing. If Chia does nothing else and by the end of October, we’re in the basement again, by all means tell us we were dumb to expect anything else. You’re damning Chia for inaction before the off-season is barely half way through. Wouldn’t that be reasonable? To give this a chance? Isn’t that what a reasonable person would do?

  8. Centre of attention says:

    To be honest its hard to say what kind of trade activity is actually going on right now. There is still an opportunity to make a move during the “Leddy/Boychuck” window. Some teams still need to do some work with the Salary cap. What I’m getting at is I’m not surprised nothing else has happened since the flurry of activity around free agency.

    I also continue to believe the Oilers will make a splash at the deadline and bring in some bonafide help once real NHL players start loosening up.

    Also, Drake Cagguila has more than a 10% chance to play a significant part of the NHL season. From Peter himself: “…he will play. I know he will. He’s got that compete level…” and the rest is history. Stauffer said don’t be surprised if Cagguila gets a look at 3C during camp/preseason. Yeah. Its the Oilers. Don’t kid yourself. The kid will be thrown in the deep end then tossed a cinder block for a flotation device.

    I also think the size will make a difference on the California road trips this season. It won’t be so easy for Getzlaf and company to out muscle our guys on the cycle. Larsson is a big body who is actually excellent on the boards and I think he will excel at breaking that cycle and making a good first pass to our forwards for the breakout.

    For what its worth, I think they are .500 this year, first 80-85 point season in god knows how long. Depending on who comes in around the deadline, they may make a push depending on how weak the Pacific division is. I’m not sure about those Ducks. So pretty much they still miss but a turn north will be apparent.

    It’s not nearly enough and I agree more should be done, but I think this is the most balanced* roster they have iced going into a season in years.

    *the bar hasn’t been set very high.

  9. OilClog says:

    When 29 other teams would plug and play Poolparty why is it a sin that the Oilers would do what everyone else would..

    Even Detroit would plug and play this guy.

    He’d battle for #1 overall in the last decade nearly every year.

    He’s not a late first rounder, he’s not a second rounder, he’s not needing to grow into his body still, maybe he is but what’s already there is ready to go.

    With the potential to play on a extremely sheltered line with Maroon/Drai.. It’s a done deal imo

    Lucic/McDavid/Yak
    Pou/Nuge/Ebs
    Maroon/Dry/Pool

    That’s a healthy formidable top 9, skill, size, grit, youth, creativity, two way.

    If they end up playing Fayne in the top 4, his increased lack of footspeed is going to severely hamper the top 9 so for that reason it may be better to send pool party down so it’s not burning a year off his elc. Yet none of the forwards in the bakery have the potential to provide what pool party will bring with his game, rock and a hard place.

  10. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Mr DeBakey,

    did they need to sign Brossoit to a 1-way contract? seems like it would be a big turn off for me if I’m a UFA goalie. “hey, we expect this guy to make the team but you can give it a shot beating him out”

  11. anjinsan says:

    Optimism – wishful thinking:
    Yakupov has breakout year consistent with first year and 1st overall grading.
    Fayne has best season ever.
    Davidson continues his development steeply upward.
    Nurse becomes stud D, matures a lot, and has solid possession numbers.
    Klefbom breaks out as left shot Seabrook.
    Larsson finds two-way game in addition to grows into 1st-pairing and does Swedish synergy with Klefbom.
    Puljujarvi has fantastic first year — making it happen for Oilers like he did for Finland in WJC.
    McDavid kills it.
    Lucic has career year beside McDavid and protects McDavid all season long.
    Draisaitl not only breaks out again but stays out at all star level.
    Sekera is just Sekera.
    Kassian has great year; Maroon scores and hammers; Hendricks is Hendricks; Khaira makes the line up and brings some scoring and beef.
    Talbot plays 1G worthy and stays healthy.
    McLellan’s coaching team has systems sink in and get bought into — fires on all cylinders.
    Pouliot scores a shitload and gets traded mid season for a solid 2-way RHD.
    Slepyshev figures out how to be a pro and moreover an NHL pro.
    Brossoit grows into solid 2G.

  12. dustrock says:

    But Puljujarvi hasn’t faced the rigors of an 82 game season playing against the best players in the world.

    Draisaitl had a forgettable rookie season, then was finally sent down and traded to Kelowna and ripped the WHL a new one. That’s how big the gap is.

    We’ve moaned over the years about not having the AHL option for our young draft picks who won’t learn anything more at the CHL level but aren’t ready for the NHL.

    Seems like the perfect place for Puljujarvi. And if he destroys the AHL, then awesome job.

  13. Ice Sage says:

    In my feeble opinion, the Edmonton Oilers are a better team today than at the close of last season.
    Taylor Hall was a fine Oiler and may be entering his prime but I’m done grieving and admit that the real market for him wasn’t what we fantasized. The Oilers needed a Larssen, badly.
    The Oil’s problems are similar to those of many teams (how’s Calgary gonna look if Elliott goes down?) and there is more legitimate depth and experience on the roster(s) than I’ve seen in 5 years.
    Then again, ‘lowering expectations’ is the key to happiness…

    It’s summer, I’m going to toast this team twice when the sun comes out

  14. Jethro Tull says:

    Ice Sage:
    In my feeble opinion, the Edmonton Oilers are a better team today than at the close of last season.
    Taylor Hall was a fine Oiler and may be entering his prime but I’m done grieving and admit that the real market for him wasn’t what we fantasized.The Oilers needed a Larssen, badly.
    The Oil’s problems are similar to those of many teams (how’s Calgary gonna look if Elliott goes down?) and there is more legitimate depth and experience on the roster(s) than I’ve seen in 5 years.
    Then again, ‘lowering expectations’ is the key to happiness…

    It’s summer, I’m going to toast this team twice when the sun comes out

    It isn’t feeble, it’s yours! And i agree with it.

    For how long did we criticise management for over-promising and under-delivering.

    FFS, we even call “how we think we’re going to do next season” the Death-March. If that isn’t ingrained pessimism, i don’t know what is.

    My RE for the Oilers next season? 38-38-6 for 82pts and forth in our division, with, most importantly, us still in it at Christmas, but running out of steam in February due to some of the youngen’s petering out.

    Or perhaps i should call it my URPE. (Un-Reasonable Person Expectations.)

  15. fifthcartel says:

    I was reasonably confident with Chiarelli as GM up until this summer. Subban moving 30 minutes after they traded Hall is a bad sign that they probably could have done a Subban deal, but overvalued having Nurse/Draisaitl/Puljujarvi.

    The Hall + Reinhart (defensemen deals) trades are the signs of a poor GM imo. Quotes from Chiarelli like “this is what we had to do”, when they are only receiving Adam Larsson in return have made me lose any faith I had in him.

  16. Soup Fascist says:

    Let me start by saying I actually did a Dave Hodge pen flip when I heard about the Hall trade. Still think the deal itself was terribly executed and had Chia not panicked a 1st rounder (at worst a 2nd) should have been coming back. The Oil still would have given up the best player – but it would have been more palatable.

    However, as much as I think Hall is a talent and I loved watching him play, after reflection (and therapy) the net effect of Hall out and Larsson and Lucic in (no, the Lucic signing does NOT mean it was OK for Chia to have his ass handed to him by Shero) the Oilers are stronger. Without getting into the Hall character assassination narrative, I will say there appears to be more to the story.

    The angst against “The Monster” seems a bit misguided. I understand that the analytics crowd – who I acknowledge do fantastic work – thought that a Craig Anderson or Al Montoya was the better choice but honestly, Goaltending Analytics seem more “subjective” than skaters’ and the situational play of backups is even more convoluted.

    I wish the Oilers could have found an offensive RH D-man, but not at the costs that were quoted. Dumba is not worth RNH – period. I would have liked a Versteeg but clearly 30 GMs thought otherwise. I am reluctantly willing to admit they may be more plugged in than me in terms of his abilities at this point. Pirri is out there but no one seems to be in a hurry to sign him and for a young guy, he sure has moved around a bit.

    Things are not perfect. But there has been change – palpable change. And we need to let things play out. I expect one or two more pieces are added before October. If not I will sit in my decidedly more expensive seat in the new digs and hope for the best …. again. If there is a Gord it will not turn out like always.

  17. innercitysmytty says:

    Scanning through the rosters of WC playoff teams from last year, most have around the same number of question marks heading into the season as the Oilers. In a cap league, I think that’s fairly typical for most teams. My question would be what’s a reasonable number heading into the season? Because most teams do not have the cap flexibility to have zero holes in their roster, or the kind of depth that we would like to see.

  18. Klima's_Bucket says:

    To those suggesting that Jesse Puljujarvi is raring to go and contribute this season don’t forget that he is coming off an injury.
    They say it isn’t serious, but it kept him out of this world junior showcase and he hasn’t had a proper summer of training.
    We’ll see if he is Oilered into the lineup or if he is afforded some time to get healthy and up to NHL speed both with his body and brain.

  19. Pescador says:

    anjinsan:
    Optimism – wishful thinking:
    Yakupov has breakout year consistent with first year and 1st overall grading.
    Fayne has best season ever.
    Davidson continues his development steeply upward.
    Nurse becomes stud D, matures a lot, and has solid possession numbers.
    Klefbom breaks out as left shot Seabrook.
    Larsson finds two-way game in addition to grows into 1st-pairing and does Swedish synergy with Klefbom.
    Puljujarvi has fantastic first year — making it happen for Oilers like he did for Finland in WJC.
    McDavid kills it.
    Lucic has career year beside McDavid and protects McDavid all season long.
    Draisaitl not only breaks out again but stays out at all star level.
    Sekera is just Sekera.
    Kassian has great year; Maroon scores and hammers; Hendricks is Hendricks; Khaira makes the line up and brings some scoring and beef.
    Talbot plays 1G worthy and stays healthy.
    McLellan’s coaching team has systems sink in and get bought into — fires on all cylinders.
    Pouliot scores a shitload and gets traded mid season for a solid 2-way RHD.
    Slepyshev figures out how to be a pro and moreover an NHL pro.
    Brossoit grows into solid 2G.

    Puff puff pass my good man.
    I like your style

  20. Woodguy says:

    Re: Gustavsson.

    Corsica.hockey has a goalie stats page.

    Using “Expected Goals Against/60” and “Actual Goals Against/60” we can see which goalies performed well vs. expected goals.

    Talbot did very well by this metric in 13/14 and 14/15. Last year he started poor and brought it back up to even.

    Below is the list of 60 goalies who played at least 700min 5v5 last year.

    The number is their Actual GA/60 – Expected GA/60.

    The goalies who were FA will be starred as will Oiler goalies:

    HENRIK.LUNDQVIST -0.83
    ANDREW.HAMMOND -0.72
    BRIAN.ELLIOTT -0.71 – acquired by CGY
    CONNOR.HELLEBUYCK -0.7
    JOONAS.KORPISALO -0.66
    THOMAS.GREISS -0.6
    ANTTI.RAANTA -0.57
    ****JONAS.ENROTH -0.50**** only 677 5v5 minutes – still unsigned
    MIKE.SMITH -0.49
    STEVE.MASON -0.48
    COREY.CRAWFORD -0.46
    ROBERTO.LUONGO -0.39
    RYAN.MILLER -0.39
    CALVIN.PICKARD -0.38
    ANTTI.NIEMI -0.37
    LOUIS.DOMINGUE -0.36
    BRADEN.HOLTBY -0.34
    ****JAMES.REIMER -0.34 ****
    JAROSLAV.HALAK -0.34
    PETR.MRAZEK -0.33
    FREDERIK.ANDERSEN -0.32
    ONDREJ.PAVELEC -0.32
    MARC-ANDRE.FLEURY -0.31
    JONATHAN.QUICK -0.31
    CORY.SCHNEIDER -0.28
    MICHAL.NEUVIRTH -0.24
    DEVAN.DUBNYK -0.23
    PHILIPP.GRUBAUER -0.2
    CAM.WARD -0.19
    ****AL.MONTOYA -0.17****
    MARTIN.JONES -0.17
    ****JONI.ORTIO -0.16**** – remains unsigned
    SEMYON.VARLAMOV -0.15
    BEN.BISHOP -0.14
    ****CARTER.HUTTON -0.13****
    JOHN.GIBSON -0.13
    EDDIE.LACK -0.12
    JAKE.ALLEN -0.12
    ****CHAD.JOHNSON -0.12**** – signed by CGY
    DARCY.KUEMPER -0.11
    CRAIG.ANDERSON -0.1
    JIMMY.HOWARD -0.09
    ROBIN.LEHNER -0.09
    JACOB.MARKSTROM -0.08
    TUUKKA.RASK -0.08
    ****KARRI.RAMO -0.06**** remains unsigned
    ****ANDERS.NILSSON 0.01**** – we saw this show already
    ****CAM.TALBOT 0.01**** – Hi Cam, I expect no starters dip this year. Please.
    KARI.LEHTONEN 0.06
    LINUS.ULLMARK 0.11
    SCOTT.DARLING 0.11
    PEKKA.RINNE 0.11
    ANDREI.VASILEVSKIY 0.13
    MIKE.CONDON 0.14
    SERGEI.BOBROVSKY 0.18
    MICHAEL.HUTCHINSON 0.28
    JONATHAN.BERNIER 0.37
    ****JONAS.HILLER 0.48****
    KEITH.KINKAID 0.48
    ****JONAS.GUSTAVSSON 0.49**** – Oh hi choice of Chiarelli. Man.
    GARRET.SPARKS 0.70

    Now 1 year results for goalies can be noisy and when I get time I’ll run this again for 2 and 3 year performance.

    Based on last year, he’s well below replacement level in the NHL.

    “Guys, we saw what a disaster Nilsson was at back up last year, who do we want?”

    “How about Gustavsson? he’s much worse but I hired him before so its all good”

    Man.

    Also,

    Brossoit only played 227 5v5 minutes last year, but he posted a +0.97 (yeesh)

    Talbot’s twin babies better not keep him up at night.

    This is a disaster waiting to happen.

    Also,

    I may have missed a few goalies who were FA. Let me know and I’ll edit the post to ***** them.

  21. AsiaOil says:

    What’s the rush? Did I miss the memo that the season starts Aug 1 now? Seems that the first 3 of LT’s list of needs has been checked off and we are down to talking about 3 line centers and wingers. 2RD is the biggest need but there is still time and we have valuable chips (LHD) to trade. Again – what’s the rush? Not like blockbusters are going off every day. TC is a month away.

    Don’t like the backup goalie situation? Well should have been more critical when they signed LB to a one way. That is a big turn off to a quality backup. But beyond that – who exactly did we miss? Here is the list of available guys and what the UFAs signed for.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/goaltender/ufa/

    Not exactly a murderers row. Enroth is NOT signing here and we are not spending $2 million on a backup either. So who is the golden boy we let slip through our fingers?

    We lost a trade to get better as a team. If that doesn’t sit well then blame the guy with the glasses who created the mess and is still hangings around. Mopping up after him hasn’t been a party. Sorry to be snarky but it’s getting to be a bit of a pity party around here. We are bigger, tougher and overall better – plus have the best young player in the world on the team. Not too many teams are going to enjoy playing us this season for a change. How about we play a few games before waving the white flag?

  22. Dee Dee says:

    Peter Chiarelli inherited a club that was a gong show of epic proportions. They were poster boys for how to NOT do it. Pretty much the exact opposite, the opposite Georges.

    He has taken a year to evaluate personnel and decide which players will fit the system that he is instilling and which players don’t.

    I smile every time I see the picture of Looch wearing an Oilers uniform and know that having one of the league’s premier power forwards riding shotgun with McDavid is going to make a huge difference in the play of this team.

    Advanced Stats have their place, but I don’t feel that they should be the number 1 factor in determining a roster and building a team. The Oilers have drafted a bus load of #1’s using advanced stats and waited for the dynasty to arrive, but they forgot to build a team.

    If this were a beach movie the Oilers were the nerds who kept getting sand kicked in their faces by the bullies and their girlfriends stolen.

    The Plan, as was advocated by many on this blog after 2006 was:
    1. Turn the Suck switch on, and tank tank tank.
    2. Draft a bunch of number 1’s.
    3. Turn the Suck switch off.
    4. Win a bunch of cups.

    The plan failed when they turned the Suck switch off, and they, well, still sucked.

    Dallas Eakins was brought in and was aghast that this team did not have the faintest clue as to how to play defensive hockey.

    Lowe and company loaded this team with several lineups of skilled guys that were butter soft. Lupul, Nilsson, Sullivan, Omark, O’Marra were the most glaring examples and anointed these guys as the next great thing. Sad thing is they got most of these guys by trading their grittier players away.

    So many #1 draft picks on this roster and they still ended up bottom feeders. Something was broken on this team.

    Chiarelli has rolled his dice and made his big play. He will either be the hero, the architect of a great revival, or he will be the goat.

    For myself, he has made great strides in his year leading the ship. WE’RE the ones who are going to be kicking sand in the faces of other teams now. A team with skill AND grit.

    Lowetide, you have been a beacon of shining light through a decade of the crappiest hockey I have ever watched as an Oiler fan. I thank you for that. It reminds me of when Rod Philipps used to get criticized for making the games sound better than they actually were. Your analysis and coverage of the team has been pretty similar, IMO.

    But I wouldn’t despair just yet. Chiarelli might actually know what he is doing and this team could turn around.

  23. Jethro Tull says:

    Kids got me out of bed early this morning, after my annual two day canoe trip down the Little Smoky to the Peace River. I put on Netflix and chose a movie. It was Chicken Little. Then I checked in here. It was Chicken Little.

  24. Lowetide says:

    The hurry? You have traded Taylor Hall. That is the hurry. The biggest misstep PC has made so far is the Hall trade, but if he doubles down and continues to slow play improvement and balance, this could be a disaster. I think we need to remember there is a new arena, there are people who cannot afford to keep their tickets, and at least some urgency to turn north.

    Time for PC to get to work. Seriously.

  25. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy,

    You win the prize for Depressing Post of the Week. Thanks for sharing. I think.

  26. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy,

    Enroth

  27. Pescador says:

    dustrock:
    But Puljujarvi hasn’t faced the rigors of an 82 game season playing against the best players in the world.

    Draisaitl had a forgettable rookie season, then was finally sent down and traded to Kelowna and ripped the WHL a new one. That’s how big the gap is.

    We’ve moaned over the years about not having the AHL option for our young draft picks who won’t learn anything more at the CHL level but aren’t ready for the NHL.

    Seems like the perfect place for Puljujarvi. And if he destroys the AHL, then awesome job.

    If they send Puljujarvi down to the minors after 9 games or after training camp ( they won’t ), I don’t think anyone around here will complain.
    That said, playing him on the 3rd line with Maroon & Drai is a different situation then force feeding Leon 2C minutes as a raw rookie straight outta the Dub.
    My hope is the find a Vet 3C before the start of the season (they won’t) to help shelter Jesse.

  28. Ryan says:

    Lowetide:
    The hurry? You have traded Taylor Hall. That is the hurry. The biggest misstep PC has made so far is the Hall trade, but if he doubles down and continues to slow play improvement and balance, this could be a disaster. I think we need to remember there is a new arena, there are people who cannot afford to keep their tickets, and at least some urgency to turn north.

    Time for PC to get to work. Seriously.

    Now I might be reading between the lines here, so correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m getting the slightest inkling of a sense that you didn’t like the Taylor Hall trade.

  29. MrSmitty says:

    As a season seat holder I am at my breaking point. If the Oil are out of it by Christmas again this year I will have to let my tickets go. Down the drain goes the 60k I have spend on tickets over the last 6 years.

    Ironically the first year I was a season seat holder was the season Taylor Hall started his career. When I was working night shifts and awoke to a text from my brother that Taylor Hall was traded I nearly said to hell with it then.

    PC this is a show me year. I can watch the Oil suck from my couch just as easy as from a seat at the new arena.

  30. Oilspill says:

    John Chambers:
    The Oilers still have $4-$5 million left in cap space.

    I can’t imagine they move into the new building having not addressed the left-right imbalance.

    At worst we probably see Gryba added is my guess.

    It you look at play in the D zone it might be best option.

  31. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    It’s nice to hear some renewed optimism here. I agree with Jethro, LT I know your reasonable expectation is more of the same with this team but I really think you will be pleasantly surprised. The days of this team getting run over in their own building, jerseys thrown and booed off the ice are over.

    Just the singular move of bringing Lucic in is going to bring more intensity and accountability on the team. Add a healthy McDavid and whoever on RW that is going to be a DOMINANT line EACH AND EVERY NIGHT. That line alone will cause teams more fits than we’ve seen in a long time. We won’t be playing on our heels all night or getting pushed around we will now be the aggressor. That builds team confidence, intensity and can carry over line by line, shift by shift many a nights. (Ftr, I’d like to see Lucic-McDavid-Yak to start the year).

    Having a 2nd line consist of Pouliot, Maroon, Nuge, Drai, Yak or Eberle should also produce a 2ND scoring line with the parts interchangeable depending on who’s hot. Two consistent scoring lines is something we haven’t seen in many years. (I’d like to see Pouliot-Drai-Eberle)

    The 3rd line is up for debate in terms of complexion. I am more in favour of a defensively responsible energy/bang line that can pitch in a few too (think Chicago model). I like Nuge here better between 2 big guys for speed reasons (Maroon-Nuge-Kassian) but people may have different combinations. Regardless, with those 3 lines this team has a chance to compete EVERY night. (4th line PKers limited ice time).

    The defense as LT alluded to should be much improved by default with a healthy Klefbom and the addition of Larsson. Those 2 in particular will help break the cycle that has been killing us, Sekera-Fayne are solid together with Davidson playing on 3rd pair with Nurse who should improve. That’s a pretty good team to start the year IMO. If Talbot starts the year hot, a good start is very possible and for this team it could set the tone for the year (look at what an 0-8 start did for Cbus).

    Now clearly this team has areas of need but so do most teams. Chicago seemingly goes into every year with a bunch of questions marks and by the end it seems to work out. Health is a big part of it but if you have a strong core, good mix of skillsets and play your system it can lead to success. Arizona for the last several years seems to have the least talented rosters but check those boxes and have success. Carolina was a TERRIBLE team last year in Save percentage (28th?) and yet still managed to finish with 86 points. I would argue this is a much better team what we have than they did last year – one that is more prepared to compete in a tough division.

    Momentum is a funny thing. Teams get a good start and can carry that for months. Health and luck are contributing factors but this team IMO has the makeup of a playoff team. It has stability with the coaching staff and system, has a good mix of young and veteran players with a variety of skillsets and has ELITE talent.

    So here are the questions I think a team needs to ask themselves if they are serious about playoffs:

    1. Does this team have a dominate line that can take over a game or carry them for stretches if necessary? Yes
    2. Is this team as constructed able to not only compete but Win in it’s division? Yes
    3. Does this team have reliable goaltending and solid vets on Defense capable of protecting leads? Yes
    4. Is this a structured team commited to playing a disciplined system of hockey and have a solid coaching staff? Yes
    5. Does this team have depth? Somewhat. Top 3 lines look good as does defense. (Davidson can move up to Top 4 if need be, Oesterle and Reinhart serviceable for stetches, forwards a bit of a ?)
    6. Does this team need to stay healthy? Yes

    This team is a much more complete team than years past and is better prepared to compete in it’s Division than in a long time. That is why there should be optimism. We are due for a bit of luck and minimal injuries. That happens – watch out!

    Remember. We only need to finish 3rd in our division and it’s playoffs!

    One last thing Re: Puljujarvi

    The last 5 drafts the 3rd overall picks have been D.Strome (DNP rookie year), Draisaitl (2G, 9P), Drouin (DNP), Galchenyuk (9G, 27P) Huberdeau (14G, 31P). If JP does play in EDM and I’m almost certain he will AT SOME POINT recent history tells us he’s probably not going to have too much of an impact so I wouldn’t count on him doing much this year.

  32. corbs says:

    Hey Lowetide,

    Any thoughts on Davidson playing the point on the PP? He has a booming shot and seems to be reasonably intelligent with the puck. Or is it that they don’t want to feed him too many minutes? Also, I would start with Yakupov playing next to McDavid. He can keep up with him and worst case will increase trade value. Eberle goes to second line and strengthens that too.

    Lucic McDavid Yakupov
    Maroon Draisatle Eberle
    Pouliot Nuge Kassian
    Hnendricks Letestu (Pakarinen) or upgrade

    I’d love to see 4RW upgraded and Letestu replaced but doubt either happens right now. Or a 3RW upgrade and Kassian down to 4RW.

    Thoughts?

    Corbs

  33. John Chambers says:

    At this point the Oilers look to be in the range of an 86 – 92 point team. They’ll be substantially improved, but not improved enough.

    At least we’re not hearing verbal like MacT a few years ago saying they were pretty much set in early August, going into the season with Arcobello, Gordon, and Lander as 3 of your centres, but the 2RD position remains with a Trouba-sized hole.

  34. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy,

    that was a hard swallow

    everyone pray that equipment changes and Schwartz help the big goalie

  35. Lowetide says:

    corbs:
    Hey Lowetide,

    Any thoughts on Davidson playing the point on the PP?He has a booming shot and seems to be reasonably intelligent with the puck.Or is it that they don’t want to feed him too many minutes? Also, I would start with Yakupov playing next to McDavid.He can keep up with him and worst case will increase trade value. Eberle goes to second line and strengthens that too.

    Lucic McDavid Yakupov
    Maroon Draisatle Eberle
    Pouliot Nuge Kassian
    Hnendricks Letestu (Pakarinen) or upgrade

    I’d love to see 4RW upgraded and Letestu replaced but doubt either happens right now.Or a 3RW upgrade and Kassian down to 4RW.

    Thoughts?

    Corbs

    I still remember that rising point shot that found the net last year, so yes. 🙂

  36. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    LT: I don’t understand the bonus concern for Reinhart. The odds of a defensive dman playing 3rd pairing hitting bonuses seems rare. So is it just in relation to the max bonus overage allowed counting against the cap? But we have cap space for that so why then?

  37. fifthcartel says:

    Lowetide,

    I agree, Lowetide. The screams of being patient are confusing when they don’t consider that Chiarelli essentially lit the timeline on fire by trading Hall.

    The fact that he traded Hall and there’s still no powerplay defensemen is a travesty.

  38. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide: I still remember that rising point shot that found the net last year, so yes.

    Yep, the kid’s a beauty!

    And I never knew you were a Banarama fan.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ePIZugahFc

  39. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: I still remember that rising point shot that found the net last year, so yes.

    Optimism! I caught him red handed! Haha.

    Klefbom has a cannon too, he was running the point just fine last year when healthy. I remain optimistic about his offensive potential as well.

  40. john_e_fever says:

    Mr. Lowetide,

    How about McDavid pulling double duty like Gretzky used to?
    1st line: Lucic – McDavid – Ebs/ Yak
    2nd line: Pouliot – Nuge – Ebs/ Yak/ Puljujarvi
    3rd line (a): Maroon – McDavid – Draisaitl
    3rd line (b): Maroon – Draisaitl – Puljujarvi/ Pakarinen/ Yak
    4th line: Hendricks – Letestu – Kassian/ Pakarinen

    Opposing teams will have fits with that 3a line!

    A couple of sleepers with much to prove are Lander and Pitlick who might surprise and I think we have players in Puljujarvi, Benson and Caggiula whom we haven’t even seen yet.

    Injuries will happen but it seems to me we have depth for the first time in a decade. Your thoughts?

    Fever

  41. Lowetide says:

    till_horcoff_is_coach:
    LT: I don’t understand the bonus concern for Reinhart. The odds of a defensive dman playing 3rd pairing hitting bonuses seems rare. So is it just in relation to the max bonus overage allowed counting against the cap? But we have cap space for that so why then?

    Oilers can do it, if they send Puljujarvi out (as an example). You have to account for the cap and the overage AND the Ference LTIR. It is almost like choosing between McDavid, Leon, Puljujarvi and GR for the beginning of the year.

  42. Centre of attention says:

    fifthcartel:
    Lowetide,

    I agree, Lowetide. The screams of being patient are confusing when they don’t consider that Chiarelli essentially lit the timeline on fire by trading Hall.

    The fact that he traded Hall and there’s still no powerplay defensemen is a travesty.

    I don’t think there is usually much trade activity between free agency and the start of camp.

    If there is still no additions around that window where teams are making cap-crunch moves, well then we can all start panicking. But right now, in the middle of August when most GM’s are not even taking serious calls I think its just a little bit silly to complain about a lack of movement.

    The power play issue may be solved by other means(forward on point), or in house means. Klefbom and Davidson both showed well in limited sample sizes, a good arrow is better than nothing. Wizniewski is still an option but again that PTO will be signed over a month from now. Complaining about him not getting a 1 year deal right now or tomorrow is silly.

    The league likes to work around deadlines and the next one is the start of the season.

  43. slopitch says:

    Klefbom Larsson if healthy is the best top pairing this team has had since 2006. I think they need to add a couple pieces but I believe chai is waiting for a trade to open up because of cap concerns. This team is much improved from over last year very close to a playoff team IMO.

    I’m with Lowetide though. Make a couple moves and let’s do this.

  44. Centre of attention says:

    Everyone is forgetting Todd was running the powerplay at 20%+ with just McDavid and Sekera on the power play. That is above league average already, and there were serious injuries to others like Nuge and Pouliot who are great on the power play. Just getting the guys we have healthy will mean an above average (top 10) power play.

    Some of the panicking concern about the lack of a powerplay specialist is just *slightly* unjustified. At least for now.

    Imagine healthy Klefbom and healthy McDavid for a full year. The power play will be just fine. Larsson is a dark horse candidate as well, though he won’t be relied on for that until he is comfortable and that is a good thing.

    I’m honestly more concerned about the 3rd line than I am about the power play. I agree with those who say that putting lots of faith in Puljujarvi (and to a lesser extent Cagguila) is not ideal at all.

  45. Woodguy says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Woodguy,

    Enroth

    only played 677 minutes so didn’t qualify for my sample – I’ve added him now

  46. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    fifthcartel:
    Lowetide,

    I agree, Lowetide. The screams of being patient are confusing when they don’t consider that Chiarelli essentially lit the timeline on fire by trading Hall.

    The fact that he traded Hall and there’s still no powerplay defensemen is a travesty.

    It’s ironic you are calling the lack of a PP guy “a travesty” when Hall in fact was lousy on the PP. I’m also amazed that people would rather have Wiz on the PP than give a healthy Klefbom or Davidson (who are better overall defensemen IMO) a shot. You know there’s more to a defenseman than just how he plays on the PP right?

  47. fifthcartel says:

    Centre of attention,

    I’m not at all confident they do much before the season begins. I know the Islanders rebuilt their blueline with Leddy and Boychuk right before the start of the season, but I’m not sure what cap moves there are this time around.

    There’s still time, but the draft and free agency have passed and there are still significant holes/question marks on the roster so I’m skeptical of any meaningful moves to come.

    I’m not sure moving Hall for Larsson, signing Lucic, and buying out Korpikoski helps the Oilers as much as Chiarelli thinks it will. They should have signed a veteran RW (Parenteau/Versteeg, who would have signed here on the cheap), a better back up (Enroth, Johnson), and at least a stop-gap PP dman (although, like you said Wisniewski might be that guy on a PTO or ~1m 1yr deal).

  48. delooper says:

    AsiaOil:
    What’s the rush? Did I miss the memo that the season starts Aug 1 now? Seems that the first 3 of LT’s list of needs has been checked off and we are down to talking about 3 line centers and wingers. 2RD is the biggest need but there is still time and we have valuable chips (LHD) to trade. Again – what’s the rush? Not like blockbusters are going off every day. TC is a month away.

    I agree. It feels like a Hall trade sulk-fest here. The team is better than last year. Sure there’s some question marks, but they’re far less glaring than we’ve seen for a long time. I imagine Chiarelli is taking his time filling in the gaps, because he’s trying to sort out what this team needs. If Yakupov clicks on the 1st line, he’s in a far better situation than if Yakupov rots on the 3rd.

  49. godot10 says:

    Lowetide:
    The hurry? You have traded Taylor Hall. That is the hurry. The biggest misstep PC has made so far is the Hall trade, but if he doubles down and continues to slow play improvement and balance, this could be a disaster. I think we need to remember there is a new arena, there are people who cannot afford to keep their tickets, and at least some urgency to turn north.

    Time for PC to get to work. Seriously.

    Trading Hall isn’t a misstep. It is rebooting the rebuild upon a more conventional proven foundation. The first thing Keenan did when he went anywhere was “shoot” the existing alpha dog. Chiarelli waited a year, and decided that it was worth it trying to build on a crooked foundation, so he blew up the foundation.

    The King is dead. Long live the King. The message is clear. You play McLellans’ system or you will soon be gone.

    There was always going to be a tension between the way Taylor plays and the way McLellan coaches. Chiarelli fixed that conflict. If you wanted Hall, then you should have been like me and argued for coaches like Krueger or Nelson who were willing to let Taylor be Taylor.

    There are two types of coaches. Systems coaches who will only play their system, and coaches who adjust their systems to the talent available. The Oilers have the former. Hall and his team will only find success with a coach from the latter category.

    Hall needs a coach willing to live with his improvisational relentless attack. Systems’ coaches like McLellan hate it. They believe in their systems, and when the bobbleheads are not rowing in unison against the stream, they don’t know what to do.

    If McLellan is going to be the coach, trading Hall was the right thing to do, even though Hall is a great player and a character player.

    I prefer the other type of coach. And have said so many times. But either type of coach can win (if they are competent).

  50. AsiaOil says:

    Here is a stunning finding. If your starting goalie gets hurt you are probably screwed. Stop the presses. EDM has been a demonstrated goalie career killer locale. You are not getting quality backups coming here – even with an overpay – and we not prepared to do that anyway. Problem is/was development so so LB better hurry up and get better than he looked last spring. People are ignoring the gap between who we want and who we can get – and it’s massive with respect to goalie perceptions of EDM. Especially with backups where one bad gig means your career is over – Ben Scrivens says hi.

    So we traded Taylor Hall – that’s the reason to panic? He led us exactly where over the past years? His cluster was a failure like the one that came before it. Let’s be honest about the player. Good boxcars and great possession numbers but the rest is questionable. They got him away from CMD almost immediately and he appears to have quit on the team last spring. He wasn’t hurt and that’s what the numbers show. He had no ones back – Mess he was clearly not. People ignore red flags left right and center with respect to the player. The down grade from Hall to Lucic is far less than the upgrade from Fayne to Larsson. We lost the trade but the team is better. I’m not even sure we lost the trade until I see Larsson in a non-bizarre situation outside his deployment in NJD.

    This site has become utterly schizophrenic. Half the place is yelling for Chia to panic and get a 2RD NOW and the other half is complaining because Chia supposedly panicked and got a 1RD NOW. Please take the internet equivalent of Prozac and enjoy the waning days of summer. it will be OK.

  51. Centre of attention says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes,

    Didn’t Davidson post close to 5.00 Pts/60 on the man advantage? Including that bar down power play beauty?

    Video for those who forgot—->https://www.nhl.com/video/davidsons-2nd-period-goal/c-41260403?q=brandon+davidson

    Another one—->https://www.nhl.com/video/davidsons-snipe-pads-lead/c-41957903?q=brandon+davidson

    I know that’s a small sample size, but that shot was threatening more often than it wasn’t in his 50 games last year.

    Even at even strength Davidson would rotate to his offside and slide down from the point to smash one timers from the circles. He looks comfortable in the offensive zone and that is half the battle with young D.

  52. Bruce McCurdy says:

    corbs:

    Any thoughts on Davidson playing the point on the PP?He has a booming shot and seems to be reasonably intelligent with the puck.Or is it that they don’t want to feed him too many minutes? Also, I would start with Yakupov playing next to McDavid.He can keep up with him and worst case will increase trade value. Eberle goes to second line and strengthens that too.

    I don’t mind the line combos but the statement that Yakupov can keep up with McDavid is puzzling. For starters I don’t think anyone can keep up with McDavid, & for seconds I think straight away speed is one aspect of Yakupov’s scouting report that didn’t come as advertised. He’s not Gagner-slow but he doesn’t often seem to separate from anyone. His best ploy with McDavid may be arriving as a trailer in the slot to let fly the one timer, as we saw on the one even strength goal he did score with McD last year (in Vancouver).

  53. Bruce McCurdy says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Woodguy,

    that was a hard swallow

    everyone pray that equipment changes and Schwartz help the big goalie

    May the Schwartz be with him

  54. mit167 says:

    I accept Ebs on the first line

    Lucic McD Ebs

    But the 2nd line should be a combination of size skill and nasty to protect Nuge

    Maroon Nuge Kassian

    3rd line or soft minutes go to Drai

    Poo Drai Yak – Poullliot equals veteran leadership

    4th line leaves

    Hendy Letestu Paki / Lander

  55. Centre of attention says:

    fifthcartel:
    Centre of attention,

    I’m not at all confident they do much before the season begins. I know the Islanders rebuilt their blueline with Leddy and Boychuk right before the start of the season, but I’m not sure what cap moves there are this time around.

    There’s still time, but the draft and free agency have passed and there are still significant holes/question marks on the roster so I’m skeptical of any meaningful moves to come.

    I’m not sure moving Hall for Larsson, signing Lucic, and buying out Korpikoski helps the Oilers as much as Chiarelli thinks it will. They should have signed a veteran RW (Parenteau/Versteeg, who would have signed here on the cheap), a better back up (Enroth, Johnson), and at least a stop-gap PP dman (although, like you said Wisniewski might be that guy on a PTO or ~1m 1yr deal).

    I think that the Larsson addition and Lucic filling 70% of Hall’s void (Lowetides own words) help the team big time. Buying out Korpikoski is a fantastic thing for the Oilers.

    I explained above why the powerplay issue is being exaggerated by some posters here.

    Gustavsson and the 3rd line are my problems with the team right now. Those holes are not as big as years past. There is also the off chance that in house options can step up and fill those holes, where as before there was no hope for even that.

    If healthy this will be the best team the Oilers have iced in years. I know the bar hasn’t been set high, but the fact the team is *more balanced* than before should be means for cautious optimism, not biting cynicism.

    I can’t completely blame the negative posters here though, the team has shattered our dreams of a turn north consistently for at least a decade. But this time, the proof is in the pudding. The team has 3 great centers, a serviceable (if healthy) top pair and a second pair that is actually pretty respectable. Talbot should be able to give us 50 solid starts and when was the last time you could say that about an Oilers goalie?

    Complaining is justified, but to the extent some are going to is not fair IMO.

    Now that I’ve said all of this you can all blame me when Klefbom’s foot falls off in preseason and Connor puts in a trade request before the Oilers have played their 10th game. I’ve jinxed it all for you! hahahaha!

  56. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy,

    Thank you kindly, sir.

  57. godot10 says:

    If a team has a good defense, the bottom six can be replacement level players to contend for the playoffs.

    I don’t see where there is a problem with the third line when two of the three players are likely to be Maroon and Draisaitl. The bottom six has improved already because Korpikoski is gone.

    I half expect to see a Yakupov for Streit (Philly retains $2.5 million) and Sanheim deal…Philly has quite the leftorium also. It would be fun to see the oilogosphere explode again! -).

  58. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    delooper: I agree.It feels like a Hall trade sulk-fest here.The team is better than last year. Sure there’s some question marks, but they’re far less glaring than we’ve seen for a long time. I imagine Chiarelli is taking his time filling in the gaps, because he’s trying to sort out what this team needs.If Yakupov clicks on the 1st line, he’s in a far better situation than if Yakupov rots on the 3rd.

    I also concur.

  59. raventalon40 says:

    I would seek out a trade centred around Nurse for Ellis, if Nashville is willing. Fill in the draft picks and prospects or cap hits ad necessary

  60. Centre of attention says:

    godot10:
    If a team has a good defense, the bottom six can be replacement level players to contend for the playoffs.

    I don’t see where there is a problem with the third line when two of the three players are likely to be Maroon and Draisaitl.The bottom six has improved already because Korpikoski is gone.

    I half expect to see a Yakupov for Streit (Philly retains $2.5 million) and Sanheim deal…Philly has quite the leftorium also. It would be fun to see the oilogosphere explode again! -).

    Though I have been optimistic in this thread, I would only call this defense “better than before” and not good. Not until I see Larsson first hand for a decent amount of games.

    Thus, there is an issue with the third line. Our D is not good enough to make up for those minutes that the bad 3rd line is stuck in our zone.

    One injury or slump means Draisaitl is in the top 6. Maroon too. Not enough left to patch together a respectable 3rd line.

    Now here comes the positive CoA. There is the off chance that Puljujarvi/Cagguila can for 2/3rd’s of a “kid line” and dominate third line competition. This isn’t guaranteed and should not be relied on as Plan “A” but it is a better situation than years past when there was absolutely no hope of an in house player stepping into the bottom six and contributing.

  61. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention: I think that the Larsson addition and Lucic filling 70% of Hall’s void (Lowetides own words) help the team big time. Buying out Korpikoski is a fantastic thing for the Oilers.

    I explained above why the powerplay issue is being exaggerated by some posters here.

    Gustavsson and the 3rd line are my problems with the team right now.

    The 3line could be solved by putting Nail on the 1line. You could not (imo) run Nail during the playoffs there, but a deadline deal could help.

    Lucic-McDavid-Yak
    Poo-Nuge-Eberle
    Maroon-Leon-JP/Kassian/etc

    I would love to see them try this.

  62. Centre of attention says:

    raventalon40:
    I would seek out a trade centred around Nurse for Ellis, if Nashville is willing. Fill in the draft picks and prospects or cap hits ad necessary

    Nashville has a brilliant GM and would never make a move like this.

    If Chiarelli was the Preds GM, we might have a chance…. 😉 Kidding…sort of.

  63. bendelson says:

    “I am a stone alone in this, but for me a RHD of Larsson, Fayne and Davidson represents real improvement over opening night one year ago’.

    Am I misreading this?
    I must be misreading this.
    Perhaps ‘a stone alone’ doesn’t mean what I think it means…

  64. Lowetide says:

    bendelson:
    “I am a stone alone in this, but for me a RHD of Larsson, Fayne and Davidson represents real improvement over opening night one year ago’.

    Am I misreading this?
    I must be misreading this.
    Perhaps ‘a stone alone’ doesn’t mean what I think it means…

    I don’t think anyone (myself aside) sees Fayne as being able as a second pairing option. If you are onside, welcome! And look out! 🙂

  65. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: The 3line could be solved by putting Nail on the 1line. You could not (imo) run Nail during the playoffs there, but a deadline deal could help.

    Lucic-McDavid-Yak
    Poo-Nuge-Eberle
    Maroon-Leon-JP/Kassian/etc

    I would love to see them try this.

    Agreed. I think that they will try a variety of things.

    Also agree that Yak is not a playoff player, but that is a struggle for another day. Lets focus on getting 40 wins this season before we worry about actual player performance DURING said playoffs.

    A deadline addition of 1 top 9 forward (preferably a center) and maybe a backup goalie would put this team over the top. A big sexy power play D would be great, but that’s luxury at this point.

    I still think they get crushed in the first round IF they make it, but watching McDavid transcend the natural plane of existence for at least 4 games is worth every damn pick you spend at the deadline.

    Eberle is the kind of guy who steps up his game when the game actually matters as well. Seeing him in the playoffs would be fascinating. For proof I refer you to every level of Hockey he has played where the games matter (no Oiler games can be included here, sorry to say.)

  66. AsiaOil says:

    I like Ellis a lot as our 2RD but Nashville likes him a lot as well. We still have holes but are not utterly bleeding out like we were last summer. People forget this team was about to implode. How difficult is it to understand that we have needs, we have assets, and the two will match up in time. I’d rather wait for the right deal then rush something just so people feel happier about trading Taylor Hall. Honestly over the past 2 days people are freaking out about 7th round picks and 3rd line centers – in August – have a pina colada toss a kid around the pool for Pete’s sake.

    raventalon40:
    I would seek out a trade centred around Nurse for Ellis, if Nashville is willing. Fill in the draft picks and prospects or cap hits ad necessary

  67. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: I don’t think anyone (myself aside) sees Fayne as being able as a second pairing option. If you are onside, welcome! And look out!

    If you read my whole post damnit I called our second pair with Fayne “respectable”!

    I need to find something to disagree with you about. So far it’s just you thinking that the Oilers slow play Cagguila. You’ll see. 😉

  68. corbs says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Keep up may have been the wrong choice of words. I meant keep up as in he played alright with him briefly last season. And I think McDavid makes Yakupov useable whereas he is likely useless without 97. I didn’t mean keep up as in speed wise.

    Hope that clarifies…my bad.

  69. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention: If you read my whole post damnit I called our second pair with Fayne “respectable”!

    I need to find something to disagree with you about. So far it’s just you thinking that the Oilers slow play Cagguila. You’ll see. 😉

    Haha! I think the Hall trade was a mistake—he needed to get back an impact defender for him—BUT PC did help the depth on RHD and the overall balance. The reason I wrote the post this morning came out of an inability on my part to see his plan in goal and on the bottom lines.

    His view of Caggiula may in fact be what I am not seeing.

  70. SkatinginSand says:

    AsiaOil:
    Here is a stunning finding. If your starting goalie gets hurt you are probably screwed. Stop the presses. EDM has been a demonstrated goalie career killer locale. You are not getting quality backups coming here – even with an overpay – and we not prepared to do that anyway. Problem is/was development so so LB better hurry up and get better than he looked last spring. People are ignoring the gap between who we want and who we can get – and it’s massive with respect to goalie perceptions of EDM. Especially with backups where one bad gig means your career is over – Ben Scrivens says hi.

    So we traded Taylor Hall – that’s the reason to panic? He led us exactly where over the past years? His cluster was a failure like the one that came before it. Let’s be honest about the player. Good boxcars and great possession numbers but the rest is questionable. They got him away from CMD almost immediately and he appears to have quit on the team last spring. He wasn’t hurt and that’s what the numbers show. He had no ones back – Mess he was clearly not. People ignore red flags left right and center with respect to the player. The down grade from Hall to Lucic is far less than the upgrade from Fayne to Larsson. We lost the trade but the team is better. I’m not even sure we lost the trade until I see Larsson in a non-bizarre situation outside his deployment in NJD.

    This site has become utterly schizophrenic. Half the place is yelling for Chia to panic and get a 2RD NOW and the other half is complaining because Chia supposedly panicked and got a 1RD NOW. Please take the internet equivalent of Prozac and enjoy the waning days of summer. it will be OK.

    Slow clap.

    In a salary cap situation, every team has holes. There is not enough money to have all of the pretty things that you want. Despite the verbal often seen here, Edmonton does not have an abundance of cap space.

    A top defensive pairing will win you a lot more than Taylor Hall will. The sad truth of the NHL now is that systems win, individual play is counter productive and even strength goals are more of a fluke and a lot of grinding than the result of any great offensive play. Just look at how pathetic the talented but effort challenged Oilers were at scoring. Lucic and Larsson will be significantly more effective and cheaper than Hall and Demers.

    The day after “the Trade” McKenzie and Dreger were on TSN discussing it. The statement from both of them, “This is at least as much about culture change as it is about the players.”

    Just saying.

  71. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Centre of attention: Nashville has a brilliant GM and would never make a move like this.

    If Chiarelli was the Preds GM, we might have a chance…. Kidding…sort of.

    Poile has been a GM for 34 years. Guess how many Stanley Cups he’s won? Better yet, guess how many of his teams have been to the Stanley Cup finals…in 34 years?

    Like him or not, Chiarelli has built a team that won a Cup. Funny enough, it was the year AFTER he traded away his leading goal scorer in Kessel. You can’t take that away from him….

  72. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: Haha! I think the Hall trade was a mistake—he needed to get back an impact defender for him—BUT PC did help the depth on RHD and the overall balance. The reason I wrote the post this morning came out of an inability on my part to see his plan in goal and on the bottom lines.

    His view of Caggiula may in fact be what I am not seeing.

    Cagguila-Puljujarvi is 2/3rds of the “Nilsson-Cogs-Gagner” line isn’t it? Have you been paying attention to the verbal?!?

    I’m losing faith in your tea-leaf reading abilities, damnit!

    I also agree the Hall trade was *less than ideal* but I have explained in length how this was literally his only trade option (Subban aside) and that the “Demers and chill” option would of had its own issues. Lucic filling *most* of Halls void for the next few years also definitely factored into Peters decision, though the merits of that choice can and should be debated.

    I can repost those explanations in full if you or anyone else wants, I think I made some solid and defensible points. McCurdy saw them I believe, he will back me up 🙂

  73. bendelson says:

    Lowetide: I don’t think anyone (myself aside) sees Fayne as being able as a second pairing option. If you are onside, welcome! And look out!

    I was looking at the entire package on RHD. Larsson, Davidson and Fayne is a load more reasonable to me (and I would expect just about everyone else) than the laughable Fayne, Schultz and Gryba from last season.

    In regards to Fayne specifically, one would hope he can fill the 5D role and slide up to a second pairing option when required without things falling completely apart. Two years left on an expensive contract and an agent talking about his client training like a madman… what could go wrong?

  74. stevezie says:

    SkatinginSand: The day after “the Trade” McKenzie and Dreger were on TSN discussing it. The statement from both of them, “This is at least as much about culture change as it is about the players

    I think this is true.

    I thatis also evidence that it is an objectively bad hockey trade.

    Kiltymcbagpipes,

    He made some good moves in Boston and deserved his cup. That said, pretty lucky to fall into Seguin for Kessel…

  75. Oilspill says:

    Be that we aren’t GMs we don’t know what else was offered. Yes the fans liked Hall the players obviously weren’t to fond of him. He was a pouter not a motivator according to my sources.
    We got what we could at market value. We NEEDED a right D. Chripes you don’t think other teams didn’t know that? I have faith in Chia. The only screwup was Reinhardt and he may come around. Look at the cluster Fk he inherited. Fayne Ference Nikitin Schultz

    fifthcartel:
    I was reasonably confident with Chiarelli as GM up until this summer. Subban moving 30 minutes after they traded Hall is a bad sign that they probably could have done a Subban deal, but overvalued having Nurse/Draisaitl/Puljujarvi.

    The Hall + Reinhart (defensemen deals) tradesare the signs of a poor GM imo. Quotes from Chiarelli like “this is what we had to do”, when they are only receiving Adam Larsson in return have made me lose any faith I had in him.

  76. SkatinginSand says:

    Lowetide: I don’t think anyone (myself aside) sees Fayne as being able as a second pairing option. If you are onside, welcome! And look out!

    Fayne can be fine as a second pairing as long as he is paired with a good puck mover. Smid did not fall off of a cliff when he went to Calgary, he just didn’t have Petry in perfect position to get the panicked pass and make a good outlet.

  77. rickithebear says:

    Taylor hall is an elite player for 70 gm a season.
    the #13-#15 forward covering the other 12 games
    not so much.

    Maroon – Mcdavid – Kassian

    Pouliot – Draisatl – JP

    Lucic – RNH – Eberle

    Oilers top pk Fwds 14-16 minimum 35 PKTOI
    Mcdcvid 5.21
    Pouliot 5.37
    Pakarinen 5.68
    Hendricks 6.26
    ——————— below league average
    Letestu 6.76

    Top 4 PK D
    Reinhart #1
    Davidson #5
    Larsson #12
    Klefbom #15
    —————– 4 top 15 in league.

    Oilers top PPGF forwards (14-16) min 35 PPTOI
    Pakarinen 8.47
    Mcdcvid 7.86
    RNH 7.36
    Pouliot 7.12
    Ederle 7.00
    Kassian 6.91
    Letestu 6.43
    ———————- above leave average
    Yakupov 6.32
    Lander 6.14
    Maroon 6.03
    Hall 5.21

    There are those players who drive the net and create space.
    Some from Zone drive;
    some from Half board and Cycle.

    So we look at WOWY.
    that is an internal team measure.
    I also look at the players who played outside the team
    As a measure and look at who they had better GF numbers with.

    Hall: EVGF
    Purcell better with
    Stamkos; St. louis; Kilorn; Johnson; Conacher, Palat

    Kassian Better with
    Sedan; Booth; Richardson; Matthias; Higgans; Kesler

    Hemsky better with
    Spezza; Michael; Benn; Eakin; Roussel

    Arcobella better with
    Eberle; Hemsky; Parenteau; Moss; Erat; pouliot; Matthias

    Lucic: EVGF
    Iginla better with
    Landeskog; Stajan; Hudler 3/26 fwds

    toffoli better with
    Nolan; Lecavalier 2/15 fwds

    Kopitar better with
    0 of 13 fwds

    Carter better with
    Toffoli; Pearson; Nash; Frattin 4 of 18 forwrds

    Sequin better with
    0 of 20 forwards

  78. SkatinginSand says:

    Most of the melodrama about the trade is based on the assumption that Larsson is not a legitimate, high quality, top pairing rt. shooting defenceman. Could we at least confirm this before daily skewering the G.M.?

    If Larsson actually becomes what Chiarelli expects, the Oilers will have won the trade.

  79. Lowetide says:

    SkatinginSand:
    Most of the melodrama about the trade is based on the assumption that Larsson is not a legitimate, high quality, top pairing rt. shooting defenceman. Could we at least confirm this before daily skewering the G.M.?

    If Larsson actually becomes what Chiarelli expects, the Oilers will have won the trade.

    Meh. I think everyone who has looked at this agrees that Larsson is a substantial defenseman. A person can like Larsson and still believe the trade was a poor one, they are not mutually exclusive.

  80. Water Fire says:

    As far as point shots go we seem stuck between memories of young Chara and AlMcInnis.

    I’ve written before Pronger’s comments on his shot, that he prided keeping it low and getting it on net.

    I was reading Couture’s Tribune piece this AM . In it he was talking about Burns. He sees Burns skill shooting as getting it through, using a half slapped (quick release) , a one timer and shooting to create reflections and rebounds if there is nothing more direct.

    It’s about playing smart and taking what’s there as opposed to forcing plays which doesn’t work at the NHL Lev for most.

    So with memories of McInnis and nightmares of Schultz wristing wobbly muffins in from the point, I suggest what we need is these young guys that can shoot to just learn to lay smart on PP and gain confidence so they can grow into top players.

    Every winning team finds its own way, unique. For the Oilers having so many forwards maybe its just competent smart play from the back end as opposed to a high event type. Kinda like the Oilers after Coffey.

  81. McSorley33 says:

    fifthcartel,

    I was not confident with PC coming in…..acquiring both Letestu and Korpse is an ominous sign.

    There are misses and there is -trading for Laiuri Korpikoski.

    People are still dumbstruck – in other cities – about what Montreal and Edmonton have done.

    This team better compete for a playoff spot.

  82. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: Meh. I think everyone who has looked at this agrees that Larsson is a substantial defenseman. A person can like Larsson and still believe the trade was a poor one, they are not mutually exclusive.

    My point was this:

    Hall and Larsson are not equal players.

    If Larsson is that solid two-way #2 that most of us believe he will be, and all arrows are pointing at, is his positive impact on the roster equal to that of Hall’s? In my humble opinion yes. Top line offense-driving LW has about as much impact as your #2 top pair D. Perhaps some would argue that the winger has less of an impact than a #2 RHD. Depends who you ask.

    Their impacts on the roster are open to debate. Factor in the immediate signing of Lucic to fill *most* of Hall’s void, and you have a roster that is more balanced. That is fact.

    The Hall-for-Larsson as a stand alone move is definitely a less than ideal move, some of it has to do with our optics as Oiler fans.

    Let me explain:

    Some other team out there could have and in our eyes should have offered a better package for Hall than Larsson, but didn’t because they chose not to have Hall on their team for what ever reason. Is that Chiarelli’s fault? Not at all. If other GM’s didn’t know Hall was available, they are awful GM’s and should be fired immediately.

    If you can prove to me that a better package was offered and that Peter turned that down and chose Larsson instead, well we may as well start burning Chiarelli in effigy. I am not at that point personally.

    The Subban question is the only way you can really skewer Chiarelli, but the rumored cost included some combination of Draisaitl, Puljujarvi, Klefbom, and initial rumors included Hall or Nuge as well. Friedman was the one who said Klefbom could have been part of the ask. At that point, considering Subbans salary, I don’t blame Peter for backing down.

    I look forward to your comments regarding my way of viewing things.

  83. bendelson says:

    SkatinginSand:
    Most of the melodrama about the trade is based on the assumption that Larsson is not a legitimate, high quality, top pairing rt. shooting defenceman. Could we at least confirm this before daily skewering the G.M.?

    If Larsson actually becomes what Chiarelli expects, the Oilers will have won the trade.

    The ‘if’ is the big concern. We already know NJ won the trade. They have Taylor Hall FFS.
    ‘If’ Larsson becomes a solid top pairing guy in Edm, the trade could be considered win-win and thus becomes a good hockey trade.

    I think we have to allow for frustration/worry knowing the end results of the trade are either win-win or a flat out loss.

    Things will settle down if and when the combination of Klefbom/Larsson evolves into a top pairing (and underpaid) juggernaut in the years to come…

  84. McSorley33 says:

    I realize it is summer, but some people have really, really taken to the Kool Aid….

  85. PDO says:

    Generally speaking, a positive GD (even +1), gets you into the playoffs. It’s not a guarantee, but it gets you very, very close.

    Given just over 50% of the teams make the playoffs, this makes sense and is a rule of thumb I’m fine to follow.

    So if the goal is the playoffs – which it damn well should be – the Oilers need to improve to at least +1 GD over 82 games.

    Last year the Oilers were -42 GA.

    Almost all of this came from 5v5, were they were -34.

    At 4v4, they were -1.

    On the PP they were +36, on the PK they were -43 (net -7).

    Weird thing I noticed during the PP/PK splits… the Oilers were dead last in the league in 5v3 time (1:18 in 82 games with 0 GF). As a positive note in 9:53 on 3v5 time they allowed only 1 goal.

    We know injuries will happen, but guessing where is impossible. Last year major injuries included Klefbom (52 GP), McDavid (35 GP), Eberle (13 GP), RNH (27 GP), Pouliot (27 GP) and Davidson (33 GP).

    That is not normal for an NHL team to lose that many players at that many key positions for that long. That’s two top 6 C’s, two top 6 wingers and two top 4 D, and with the exception of Eberle all for at least 1/3 of the season. The Flames in comparison only lost Brodie for 12 games and Frolik for 20 games as major losses and that is far more common.

    We know starting goalies generally struggle when they first become starters and Talbot was no exception. Hopefully he found his form permanently down the stretch.

    Nobody develops in a straight line, but if we look at the Oilers the only players we should expect to be worse due to age are Hendricks, Letestu and Fayne. None of these players are key players for the Oilers.

    Conversely, it’s not impossible or even unfair to expect improvements out of McDavid, Klefbom, Larsson, RNH, Draisatl, Davidson and Nurse. I’d categorize Yakupov and Puljujarvi as wild cards.

    I think we mostly know what we have with vets like Maroon, Pouliot, Sekera, and Lucic.

    We lost one of the worst wingers in the league in Korpi.

    Hall and Lucic are not a wash, but for this year and next they’re not horribly far off either. Lucic is a hell of a player.

    I’m not so sure 43 goals is an impossible mountain to climb, especially if they can avoid the injury bug.

  86. Woodguy says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Mr DeBakey,

    did they need to sign Brossoit to a 1-way contract? seems like it would be a big turn off for me if I’m a UFA goalie. “hey, we expect this guy to make the team but you can give it a shot beating him out”

    I think that was done to lower his value to Vegas.

    There will be similar goalies available on 2 ways which will be more attractive than a guy on a one way.

  87. Centre of attention says:

    To add to my above post I will explain why the “Demers and chill” option LT is talking about also carries its own set of issues.

    Signing Demers does not fix the power play problem. His defined ceiling is a second pair two-way guy. That does not help the top pair, where as a guy like Larsson could help lock down the top pair for years. Signing Demers alone would not be enough, and that’s making a BIG assumption that he would even sign here at the same price that he signed in Florida. I bet he was asking for an extra million bucks.

    Heres the next problem, next summer you have to shed one of the 6 million dollar guys anyways for obvious cap reasons. Those cap compliance deals are always awful, and I bet Chiarelli would have got fleeced even worse at that point. Also, what if at that point Larsson has emerged more and now NJ doesn’t want to trade him?

    Now you’re stuck with Demers on a big contract with a No-Move clause, as well as no option but to dump a 6 million guy for picks because you can’t take salary back. This leads to my next point: the 2 million Peter saved on the Hall-Larsson deal has been overlooked big time.

    Food for thought. Again, look forward to anyone’s responses, not just LT’s.

  88. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear,

    So Hall was a #13-15 forward for 12 games this last season? You do know that he played each and every game right.

  89. Lowetide says:

    PDO: Agree with every word. They still need a better backup.

  90. Mr DeBakey says:

    SkatinginSand: Just look at how pathetic the talented but effort challenged Oilers were at scoring.

    In which season were the Oilers talented but effort challenged?

  91. Lowetide says:

    Centre of Attention: I think it is absolutely justifiable to set Chiarelli on fire for the Hall trade. I also believe Adam Larsson can help. I don’t really drill down much past that, because at some level it doesn’t matter. The bullet has already arrived.

  92. Centre of attention says:

    PDO:
    Generally speaking, a positive GD (even +1), gets you into the playoffs.It’s not a guarantee, but it gets you very, very close.

    Given just over 50% of the teams make the playoffs, this makes sense and is a rule of thumb I’m fine to follow.

    So if the goal is the playoffs – which it damn well should be – the Oilers need to improve to at least +1 GD over 82 games.

    Last year the Oilers were -42 GA.

    Almost all of this came from 5v5, were they were -34.

    At 4v4, they were -1.

    On the PP they were +36, on the PK they were -43 (net -7).

    Weird thing I noticed during the PP/PK splits… the Oilers were dead last in the league in 5v3 time (1:18 in 82 games with 0 GF).As a positive note in 9:53 on 3v5 time they allowed only 1 goal.

    We know injuries will happen, but guessing where is impossible.Last year major injuries included Klefbom (52 GP), McDavid (35 GP), Eberle (13 GP), RNH (27 GP), Pouliot (27 GP) and Davidson (33 GP).

    That is not normal for an NHL team to lose that many players at that many key positions for that long.That’s two top 6 C’s, two top 6 wingers and two top 4 D, and with the exception of Eberle all for at least 1/3 of the season.The Flames in comparison only lost Brodie for 12 games and Frolik for 20 games as major losses and that is far more common.

    We know starting goalies generally struggle when they first become starters and Talbot was no exception.Hopefully he found his form permanently down the stretch.

    Nobody develops in a straight line, but if we look at the Oilers the only players we should expect to be worse due to age are Hendricks, Letestu and Fayne.None of these players are key players for the Oilers.

    Conversely, it’s not impossible or even unfair to expect improvements out of McDavid, Klefbom, Larsson, RNH, Draisatl, Davidson and Nurse.I’d categorize Yakupov and Puljujarvi as wild cards.

    I think we mostly know what we have with vets like Maroon, Pouliot, Sekera, and Lucic.

    We lost one of the worst wingers in the league in Korpi.

    Hall and Lucic are not a wash, but for this year and next they’re not horribly far off either.Lucic is a hell of a player.

    I’m not so sure 43 goals is an impossible mountain to climb, especially if they can avoid the injury bug.

    Quoting this post because its gold.

  93. rickithebear says:

    Stevzie.

    Dredger is like the accountants you have to deal with at a corporate level.

    No fucking clue about the technical aspect of end products.

    Dredger is the TMZ of TSN.

    Mackenzie goes to a group of trusted scouts for there opinion.

    Neither looks at the Goal diff aspect of a game.
    Standard MSM chase the offence.

    then scouts who know both ends tell Mackenzie Davidson would be in the top 4 of any playoff team.

    Post it on twitter cause they know something he and the fans do not know.

    when gm’s are trading this year.
    They have to be able to protect the core players they have or can acquire.

    We sat at

    Hall
    Draisatl
    RNH
    Eberle
    as our 1st 4 forwards.

    Sekera NMC
    KLefbom
    Davidson scouts say top 4 any playoff team.

    Talbot

    At this point the team can have
    1 more Dman
    or
    3 forwrds

    PC #1d has nothing to do with offence.
    but what the scouts and cup/conf winning teams consider #1 Dmen
    Keep the Puck out of the net.
    Pronger
    Lidstrom
    Gill
    Girardi
    Hjarlmasson
    Chara
    Doughty
    Lovejoy

    SO PC decides to trade for the best
    HSCA; EVSA; EVGA; PKGA D
    Dman last 2 years.

    has to give up hall to get him.

    RNH
    Draisatl
    Eberle
    Pouliot

    Sekera NMC
    Larsson
    Klefbom
    Davidson

    Talbot

    Signs Lucic Asa UFA

    Lucic NMC
    Draisatl
    RNH
    Eberle

    Sekera NMC
    Larsson
    KLefbom
    Davidson

    Talbot

  94. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide:
    Centre of Attention: I think it is absolutely justifiable to set Chiarelli on fire for the Hall trade. I also believe Adam Larsson can help. I don’t really drill down much past that, because at some level it doesn’t matter. The bullet has already arrived.

    Did you read my counter to the Demers option?

    If you are just looking at the face value of Hall for Larsson and criticizing that, sure that is fair.

    I don’t think it’s fair to not drill down further though, because the things I outlined DO matter. You can’t just say “Peter should have made a better deal” without offering that deal, while also having that deal realistic and a rumored possibility.

    You can state Demers and keep Hall was an option, but again I have a counter to that one.

  95. Woodguy says:

    Same metric as before (Goals Against/60 – Expected Goals Against/60)

    Last 2 seasons.

    Minimum 1590 all purpose minutes to qualify (so Gustavsson would qualify)

    This time I included ALL situations. Goals against on the PK count too.

    CAREY.PRICE -0.70
    CALVIN.PICKARD -0.61
    ANTTI.RAANTA -0.57
    ANDREW.HAMMOND -0.47
    HENRIK.LUNDQVIST -0.46
    CORY.SCHNEIDER -0.41
    JAROSLAV.HALAK -0.38
    JOONAS.KORPISALO -0.38
    ONDREJ.PAVELEC -0.38
    BRIAN.ELLIOTT -0.36
    CAM.TALBOT -0.33 ******
    COREY.CRAWFORD -0.33
    BRADEN.HOLTBY -0.29
    STEVE.MASON -0.28
    SCOTT.DARLING -0.28
    MARC-ANDRE.FLEURY -0.27
    JONATHAN.QUICK -0.26
    THOMAS.GREISS -0.26
    FREDERIK.ANDERSEN -0.23
    MICHAL.NEUVIRTH -0.23
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    DEVAN.DUBNYK -0.18 – only an idiot would ask the question
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    ANTON.KHUDOBIN -0.10
    RYAN.MILLER -0.10
    CRAIG.ANDERSON -0.08
    ANTTI.NIEMI -0.04
    CARTER.HUTTON -0.04*****
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    CHAD.JOHNSON -0.01*****
    AL.MONTOYA 0*****
    CURTIS.MCELHINNEY 0.01
    JHONAS.ENROTH 0.02*****
    KARI.LEHTONEN 0.02
    TUUKKA.RASK 0.02
    JAMES.REIMER 0.03*****
    KARRI.RAMO 0.03*****
    SERGEI.BOBROVSKY 0.05
    JONAS.HILLER 0.06***** fell off the cliff last year
    JONATHAN.BERNIER 0.06
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    PEKKA.RINNE 0.12
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    MIKE.CONDON 0.14
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    BEN.SCRIVENS 0.48 *****- oh hai Ben
    ANDERS.LINDBACK 0.50*****

  96. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention: Did you read my counter to the Demers option?

    If you are just looking at the face value of Hall for Larsson and criticizing that, sure that is fair.

    I don’t think it’s fair to not drill down further though, because the things I outlined DO matter. You can’t just say “Peter should have made a better deal” without offering that deal, while also having that deal realistic and a rumored possibility.

    You can state Demers and keep Hall was an option, but again I have a counter to that one.

    I don’t feel a need to drill down. It was a bad deal. That needs to be acknowledged, now and forever. The fact that they got a better Demers makes it interesting, but will never justify it. Jmo.

  97. PDO says:

    Lowetide:
    PDO: Agree with every word. They still need a better backup.

    That may have been the most depressing move of the summer because it reeked of laziness and complacency.

  98. PDO says:

    Woodguy,

    But how did Ben do against the really good teams?! /s

  99. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: I don’t feel a need to drill down. It was a bad deal. That needs to be acknowledged, not and forever. The fact that they got a better Demers makes it interesting, but will never justify it. Jmo.

    I agree with what you’re saying then. The Hall for Larsson deal was bad. I will never ever change my mind of that fact.

    I just like to take the 3,000 foot view a little bit here, and you have to admit, I made a decent defensible point or two in among my babbling.

    Also agree, these are just two separate views of the same thought: Hall for Larsson isn’t enough. I just like to try and fill in the back story so that people understand Peter Chiarelli doesn’t deserve to be lit on fire….yet.

  100. Centre of attention says:

    PDO: That may have been the most depressing move of the summer because it reeked of laziness and complacency.

    Agreed 110%. They are betting on Brossoit and that is the most Oilers thing ever.

  101. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention: I agree with what you’re saying then. The Hall for Larsson deal was bad. I will never ever change my mind of that fact.

    I just like to take the 3,000 foot view a little bit here, and you have to admit, I made a decent defensible point or two in among my babbling.

    Also agree, these are just two separate views of the same though: Hall for Larsson isn’t enough. I just like to try and fill in the back story so that people understand Peter Chiarelli doesn’t deserve to be lit on fire….yet.

    Sure. And I understand your point. I think the addition of Larsson gives them a chance to put a top pairing out there for just over $8 million. That has exceptional value.

  102. Mr DeBakey says:

    Y’know, it never occurred to me that the reason Mike Keenan’s teams were relentlessly lousy was that he always shot the Alpha Dog first chance he got.
    It makes sense.

  103. Bruce McCurdy says:

    PDO:
    Lucic is a hell of a player.

    This is something that doesn’t get mentioned near often enough.

  104. Woodguy says:

    Centre of attention,

    . His defined ceiling is a second pair two-way guy. That does not help the top pair, where as a guy like Larsson could help lock down the top pair for years.

    This is incorrect.

    He established NHL level is a very good 2nd pair.

    His results last year vs the Elite were very good, and that was with Oduya, who is almost Odoneya.

    Demers vs. Elite:

    RelDFF/60 +0.6
    RelDFA/60 -2.0

    So compared to other DAL Dmen (includes Goligoski and Klingberg) DAL got slightly better scoring chances for and less scoring chances against the Elite forwards when Demers was on the ice.

    That’s a better result than Larsson.

    I don’t think Demers’ ceiling is 2nd pair. Ekblad hasn’t played top pair yet, so we may see Demers play top pair in FLA next year.

    Chiarelli said he wanted to “find a permanent solution” . Larsson for 5 years is pretty permanent in NHL terms.

    Demers is 28 so 5 years of him might have some poorer years at the end of it.

    The big question if they go Demers and Lucic (Lucic is coming, hell or high water) is how to move out salary to make room for them.

    You need to trade Pouliot (and keep Hall) as well as some other salary without taking much salary back.

    Trading without taking salary back in the NHL is pretty damn rare.

    That would have been the biggest issue, but not one that could not be overcome.

  105. magisterrex says:

    SkatinginSand: Slow clap.

    In a salary cap situation, every team has holes.There is not enough money to have all of the pretty things that you want. Despite the verbal often seen here, Edmonton does not have an abundance of cap space.

    A top defensive pairing will win you a lot more than Taylor Hall will. The sad truth of the NHL now is that systems win, individual play is counter productive and even strength goals are more of a fluke and a lot of grinding than the result of any great offensive play. Just look at how pathetic the talented but effort challenged Oilers were at scoring.Lucic and Larsson will be significantly more effective and cheaper than Hall and Demers.

    The day after “the Trade” McKenzie and Dreger were on TSN discussing it. The statement from both of them, “This is at least as much about culture change as it is about the players.”

    Just saying.

    Agree 100%. Really, there is a lot of hyperbole surrounding Hall, and it creates a narrative.

  106. Woodguy says:

    PDO:
    Woodguy,

    But how did Ben do against the really good teams?! /s

    HE WAS TOO WORRIED ABOUT HIS SHITTY DMEN TO THINK ABOUT GOALERING OR SOMETHINK LIKE THAT!!

  107. Rebilled says:

    I’d rather have Lucic and Larsson than Hall.

    I think if McDavid and the coach wanted Hall here he’d still be here.

    Attitude.

  108. Centre of attention says:

    Woodguy,

    You raised some fine points sir, and your WoodMoney™ metrics keep making me eat my words damnit.

    See, this is why I love this blog. You get the opportunity to learn.

    I also agree that Demers at 28 makes you question how long he could hold out that performance against top competition. Its also hard to figure out next summers salary picture any which way you look at it.

    IMO if they would have went the Demers route, they would have moved Hall for a couple of first round picks with Peter hoping he can re-create the Kessel trade. I’m not even kidding, that’s probably what would have happened. Just my opinion though.

  109. JDï™ says:

    You know, that Lucic is a hell of a player.

  110. Centre of attention says:

    Rebilled:

    I think if the coach wanted Hall here he’d still be here.

    Attitude.

    Fixed that for you.

  111. Lowetide says:

    JDï™:
    You know, that Lucic is a hell of a player.

    I can’t wait for people to see how good he is with passing in the offensive zone. For a big man to be able to have those hands? Fantastic.

  112. Woodguy says:

    magisterrex,

    Agree 100%. Really, there is a lot of hyperbole surrounding Hall, and it creates a narrative.

    Top 20NHL 5v5 pts/60 in the last 4 years (minimum 1000 minutes)

    SIDNEY.CROSBY 2.77
    JAMIE.BENN 2.57
    TAYLOR.HALL 2.53
    RYAN.GETZLAF 2.47
    TYLER.SEGUIN 2.46
    VLADIMIR.TARASENKO 2.46
    PATRICK.KANE 2.44
    COREY.PERRY 2.41
    MATT.DUCHENE 2.36
    ONDREJ.PALAT 2.36
    RICK.NASH 2.36
    DAVID.PASTRNAK 2.28
    JONATHAN.TOEWS 2.28
    JOHN.TAVARES 2.26
    MAX.PACIORETTY 2.26
    BLAKE.WHEELER 2.24
    PASCAL.DUPUIS 2.24
    EVGENI.MALKIN 2.23
    MARTIN.ST. LOUIS 2.2
    JIRI.HUDLER 2.19

    There’s also a lot of facts around Hall.

  113. Mr DeBakey says:

    magisterrex: The day after “the Trade” McKenzie and Dreger were on TSN discussing it. The statement from both of them, “This is at least as much about culture change as it is about the players.”
    Just saying.
    Agree 100%. Really, there is a lot of hyperbole surrounding Hall, and it creates a narrative.

    Rebilled:
    I’d rather have Lucic and Larsson than Hall.

    I think if McDavid and the coach wanted Hall here he’d still be here.

    Attitude.

    A lot of narrative.
    I can hardly wait ’til its McDavid’s fault.

  114. bendelson says:

    A curious question:

    There appears to be a shift in the group this summer. A change in the ranks among the optimistic and pessimistic perhaps? Recently, I have noticed I am oft in agreement with posters I would normally question on a regular basis and find myself correspondingly frustrated by some I would typically consider ‘in my comfort zone’. Anyone else notice such a shift? A change in the landscape? Altered states?

    Of course, this could be nothing more than a strong Bendelson shift, buoyed by survival optimism.

    Or perhaps we are all simply shuffling about trying to get comfortable in new shoes…

  115. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: Sure. And I understand your point. I think the addition of Larsson gives them a chance to put a top pairing out there for just over $8 million. That has exceptional value.

    Lets talk about that 8 million first pairing more than the unfortunate circumstances that lead to its creation, for the benefit of the community. Haha!

    Is it possible to hate the Hall trade while rationalizing the circumstances that lead to it occurring? Or is my Oiler fan brain just automatically creating rationalizations as a self-defense mechanism? Hell if I know, lol.

  116. magisterrex says:

    bendelson,

    I see the same

  117. Centre of attention says:

    bendelson:

    Of course, this could be nothing more than a strong Bendelson shift, buoyed by survival optimism.

    I think I’m with you in the “survival optimism” period. If I give in and start deconstructing the negatives and drill down further into them, I might lose all hope.

    And one thing I will never give up is hope! *collapses into a pool of anxiety and doubt*

  118. PDO says:

    Bruce McCurdy: This is something that doesn’t get mentioned near often enough.

    He’s not as productive as Hall, but neither are great PP players, neither are great PKers, and both are top 5 LWs at 5v5.

  119. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention: Lets talk about that 8 million first pairing more than the unfortunate circumstances that lead to its creation, for the benefit of the community. Haha!

    Is it possible to hate the Hall trade while rationalizing the circumstances that lead to it occurring? Or is my Oiler fan brain just automatically creating rationalizations as a self-defense mechanism? Hell if I know, lol.

    I think making the playoffs will ease a lot of the pain for all fans. It’s like that first Friday night at the lake in summer when you realize it has been exactly forever since you felt this way.

    That will do it.

  120. magisterrex says:

    Woodguy,

    No denying that he has talent.

    The issue is what was being done with the talent.

    I am very curious about what happens to Hall’s numbers in NJ. Sustain, drop off or increase?

    I think he will regress significantly.

  121. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: I can’t wait for people to see how good he is with passing in the offensive zone. For a big man to be able to have those hands? Fantastic.

    His wrist shot is excellent, he just needs to use it more. (where have I heard that before…)

    Agree though that Lucic’s biggest asset is his ability to read the play and make great passes in the offensive zone.

    Picture this: McDavid carrying it in drawing 2 checkers, short pass to Lucic who drives the net drawing another couple defenders, drop pass to Eberle trailing the play who goes bar down. Music.

  122. Lowetide says:

    magisterrex:
    Woodguy,

    No denying that he has talent.

    The issue is what was being done with the talent.

    I am very curious about what happens to Hall’s numbers in NJ. Sustain, drop off or increase?

    I think he will regress significantly.

    The NJD team is a weak one, but I suspect Hall will have a major impact on their offense.

  123. Jethro Tull says:

    I feel for Hall, i truly do. NJ have fallen back to what they know: Shit hot goalerer, four D, and Zach Parise, I meant Taylor Hall, for a cup.

  124. kinger_OIL says:

    Woodguy:
    magisterrex,

    Agree 100%. Really, there is a lot of hyperbole surrounding Hall, and it creates a narrative.

    Top 20NHL 5v5 pts/60 in the last 4 years (minimum 1000 minutes)

    SIDNEY.CROSBY2.77
    JAMIE.BENN2.57
    TAYLOR.HALL2.53
    RYAN.GETZLAF2.47
    TYLER.SEGUIN2.46
    VLADIMIR.TARASENKO2.46
    PATRICK.KANE2.44
    COREY.PERRY2.41
    MATT.DUCHENE2.36
    ONDREJ.PALAT2.36
    RICK.NASH2.36
    DAVID.PASTRNAK2.28
    JONATHAN.TOEWS2.28
    JOHN.TAVARES2.26
    MAX.PACIORETTY2.26
    BLAKE.WHEELER2.24
    PASCAL.DUPUIS2.24
    EVGENI.MALKIN2.23-
    MARTIN.ST. LOUIS2.2
    JIRI.HUDLER2.19

    There’s also a lot of facts around Hall.

    – Really? He was 25th in points last 4 years, near the bottom of the “best player on team” category. He also scored the 34th most goals in the league over the last 4 years.

    – that’s basically who he is: “best player on bad team in terms of points and a top-30ish player”

    – pp/60 isn’t how a player scores goals or gets points. Scoring goals and getting points matters most to a team.

  125. David says:

    Even as a supermassive Hall fan I have never been able to get on board with the line of thinking that we can declare it to be a horrible trade. You have to see the results.

    Hall was a king, if Larsson delivers king value then it’s a far trade and even a good trade based on positional need. If Larsson delivers queen value it’s a slight loss in value but probably covered by positional need. If Larsson delivers Jack value it’s a loss but not horrible.

    Value is value, in order for this trade to be the most horrific hockey trade the world has ever seen as soon have been saying ever since it happened Larsson will have to deliver the value of a 7-9. That’s just not likely.

    But like I said, you have to wait and see. Come October, Larsson will have to stand and deliver and that is when Chiarelli will be graded.

  126. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: I think making the playoffs will ease a lot of the pain for all fans. It’s like that first Friday night at the lake in summer when you realize it has been exactly forever since you felt this way.

    That will do it.

    The way you describe certain feelings/emotions by using specific moments in time, is fascinating. I know exactly what you’re talking about without ever realizing that I felt exactly that way at one point in my life.

    You’re a great writer LT, I don’t think people give you enough credit. Not that your asking for any, to be clear. I just felt I should mention that.

    I also agree, winning will change everything. I’ve said it before myself.

    “We wait.”

  127. Centre of attention says:

    Jethro Tull:
    I feel for Hall, i truly do.NJ have fallen back to what they know:Shit hot goalerer, four D, and Zach Parise, I meant Taylor Hall, for a cup.

    They don’t even have Kovalchuk this time either. Yikes.

    I am an Oiler fan first and foremost, but I will cheer like hell for Hallsy til’ the day the retires.

    I may try and rationalize the situation leading to him being traded, and Chiarelli’s part in it (Petry trade is direct cause) , but I will never question Hall’s contribution as an Oiler. He was one of the best players to play on this team this century. That is fact.

  128. Centre of attention says:

    kinger_OIL: –

    – pp/60 isn’t how a player scores goals or gets points. Scoring goals and getting points matters most to a team.

    Excuse me?

  129. kinger_OIL says:

    Centre of attention: Excuse me?

    – pp60 is cherry picking a stat. Playing a lot of games matters more to the team than pp60 if you are missing a dozen games a year.

    – great that he has a a high pp60 but over the last 4 years he wasn’t a top3 or 5 player in terms of offence. He’s top30. He’s not as elite as some here think. So when you put up a stat that suggests he’s top3 I call that out.

    – being healthy and putting up points matters unless the player is both pp60 and actual points.

  130. fifthcartel says:

    I can’t imagine the fan reaction if (when?) they’re terrible in the new arena.

  131. Bruce McCurdy says:

    JDï™:
    You know, that Lucic is a hell of a player.

    I see what you did there. And you know what? You’re right!

  132. Bruce McCurdy says:

    David:
    Even as a supermassive Hall fan I have never been able to get on board with the line of thinking that we can declare it to be a horrible trade. You have to see the results.

    Hall was a king, if Larsson delivers king value then it’s a far trade and even a good trade based on positional need. If Larsson delivers queen value it’s a slight loss in value but probably covered by positional need. If Larsson delivers Jack value it’s a loss but not horrible.

    If Larsson delivers jack we’re in trouble.

  133. JDï™ says:

    Bruce McCurdy: You’re right!

    Twice a day.

  134. Lowetide says:

    kinger_OIL: – pp60 is cherry picking a stat. Playing a lot of games matters more to the team than pp60 if you are missing a dozen games a year.

    – great that he has a a high pp60 but over the last 4 years he wasn’t a top3 or 5 player in terms of offence. He’s top30. He’s not as elite as some here think.So when you put up a stat that suggests he’s top3 I call that out.

    – being healthy and putting up points matters unless the player is both pp60 and actual points.

    I loved Hall’s play but his rambunctious style was always a concern. I think he learned to pick his spots more, though. Hope he has success in NJ.

  135. UnjustEnrichment says:

    Lowetide,

    In my view, the Hall trade works just fine, and Chirelli has done a decent job of trying to secure better balance while sending away a player who was not maturing as expected. Yes, by that I mean Hall. Larsson is an excellent addition, as is Lukic, as is their first round pick (when he is ready). I also am of the view that Reinhart, your other whipping boy, will mature into a very good defenceman. Time will tell. I think the team is much improved and has much better balance.

  136. godot10 says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Y’know, it never occurred to me that the reason Mike Keenan’s teams were relentlessly lousy was that he always shot the Alpha Dog first chance he got.
    It makes sense.

    Except they weren’t relentlessly lousy. He really only failed in Vancouver. They was a clock ticking down when you hired him though.

  137. Centre of attention says:

    UnjustEnrichment:
    Lowetide,

    In my view, the Hall trade works just fine, and Chirelli has done a decent job of trying to secure better balance while sending away a player who was not maturing as expected. Yes, by that I mean Hall. Larsson is an excellent addition, as is Lukic, as is their first round pick (when he is ready).I also am of the view that Reinhart, your other whipping boy, will mature into a very good defenceman. Time will tell.I think the team is much improved and has much better balance.

    I disagree with almost all of this statement.

    I’m disappointed you have misread LT’s statements so much that you think Griffin is his whipping boy, I suggest you do a better job of analyzing his position before you try and pick him apart.

    I just went three rounds trying to rationalize the circumstances leading to Hall being traded. And I STILL wouldn’t characterize the trade as “working out just fine”

  138. Centre of attention says:

    godot10: Except they weren’t relentlessly lousy.He really only failed in Vancouver.They was a clock ticking down when you hired him though.

    So you’ll just ignore his entire tenure in St Louis then. Tragic failure when you consider the type of players he had on his bench.

    Keenan ran Gretzky into the ground, those 30 minute nights were physically painful to watch as a fan of 99.

    Carry on.

  139. 99266in87 says:

    Rebilled:
    I’d rather have Lucic and Larsson than Hall.

    I think if McDavid and the coach wanted Hall here he’d still be here.

    Attitude.

    And this. I’ve read every post/comment and this is the one I’ll jump in with. 100% agreed. The trade would never have been done without Coach. He was brought in to stabilize the on ice and win. PC and Coach work together in evaluation of what is required going forward. I would agree that behind the drapes 97 and coach endorsed.

  140. John Chambers says:

    UnjustEnrichment,

    Nobody is a whipping boy. Just drop that nonsense. Rubbish post.

  141. Woodguy says:

    magisterrex:
    Woodguy,

    No denying that he has talent.

    The issue is what was being done with the talent.

    Well, over the same last 4 years as Hall’s points that I posted above, the Oilers scored:

    51.4% of the goals when Hall was on ice. This would have been 12th in the NHL over that time.
    39.1% of the goals when Hall was not on the ice. This would have been 30th in the NHL over that time (BUF was 30th with 41.3%, EDM was 29th with 42.7%)

    So, to answer the question of “what Hall did with his talent”, my initial answer is:

    1) Made them as good as a 12th place team when he was on ice
    2) Scored at a top 5 rate in the entire NHL 5v5.

    And he did this all with mostly an AHL level Dcorps behind him. (see this post for more details on the state of the Dcorps)

    That’s a hell of a lot to accomplish imo.

    I am very curious about what happens to Hall’s numbers in NJ. Sustain, drop off or increase?

    I think he will regress significantly.

    Why’s that?

    NJD hard matches Zajac (Zone Start rate of 41%) against the toughs and gives Henrique a bit of a push. (ZSR=51%) (ZSR = OZS/(OZS+DZS))

    I’d imagine they play him with Henrique (were line mates in Junior and that’s the scoring line) so if the ZSR holds (Hall was 52.7% last year) then he should be in the same position to score.

    The NJD Dcorps isn’t that good, but its better than anything the Oiler’s iced in the last 4 years.

    Add to this that Hall has historically scored a little better vs the East and he’ll play 52 of his games against the East.

    I think he’ll do as well, if not better than he did in EDM.

    Why do you think he’ll regress?

  142. Woodguy says:

    kinger_OIL

    – pp/60 isn’t how a player scores goals or gets points. Scoring goals and getting points matters most to a team.

    Points per 60 minutes of ice is what pts/60 means.

    Scoring goals, getting points.

    You know, those things.

  143. Ice Sage says:

    Lowetide: The NJD team is a weak one, but I suspect Hall will have a major impact on their offense.

    He sure will. NJ needed re-balancing too. Win-Win?
    And, every now and then someone mentions the 2 million cap space that Oilers got in this trade – until that is fulfilled, we don’t know the full extent of the deal, IMO

  144. TsuDhoNimh says:

    It’s too bad that the NHL doesn’t have in place an option whereby teams could make offers to other teams RFAs. Wouldn’t it be great to have the option of picking up a Lindholm or a Trouba for only money and draft picks? Sad that such a thing doesn’t exist…..

  145. JDï™ says:

    TsuDhoNimh: Wouldn’t it be great to have the option of picking up a Lindholm or a Trouba for only money and draft picks?

    Have you ever tried to rent a barn? It isn’t easy, let me tell you.

  146. rickithebear says:

    kinger_OIL: – pp60 is cherry picking a stat. Playing a lot of games matters more to the team than pp60 if you are missing a dozen games a year.

    – great that he has a a high pp60 but over the last 4 years he wasn’t a top3 or 5 player in terms of offence. He’s top30. He’s not as elite as some here think.So when you put up a stat that suggests he’s top3 I call that out.

    – being healthy and putting up points matters unless the player is both pp60 and actual points.

    per 60 stats were put in place by desjardins to get measure of a player ability compared to others in the same situation.

    It does not measure totals.

    I am not a fan of totals as a complete measure of a player.

    Health:
    Games played

    Coaches Decision:
    TOI
    Comp
    Team
    ZS

    Player performance
    /60 rates

    are what I look at as a measure of a player.

    the 12 games Hall misses are more dramatic.
    cause the whole forward core could be asked to slot up 1 spot.

    Replacing Hall with an
    Equal /season producer
    Inferior /60
    Superior space creator GF/60
    is what the GM needed.

    But the 11 games missed is a dramatic affect on:
    1. team depth
    2. how teams defend during those games!

  147. Centre of attention says:

    Woodguy: Points per 60 minutes of ice is what pts/60 means.

    Scoring goals, getting points.

    You know, those things.

    I don’t know what was funnier. Failing to recognize that pp/60 is specifically measuring exactly what he was talking about as most important, or the fact that he says scoring goals and points is most important to a team.

    If scoring goals and points is whats most important, wouldn’t that mean Hall is extremely important?

    I’m baffled lol.

  148. blainer says:

    Two most important things for me EVERY year. Health and Goaltending.

    IF we stay healthy and can achieve a min of 918% save percentage I think we will be close if not in the playoffs.

    I would like Chia to add a couple of vets which I do think will happen. I can see Wiz on a try out offer and Gryba or a trade for some one like Montour or the like.

    I also see Davey beating out Klef for the top D by Xmas at the latest.

    I do think we will be involved in a lot of games this year where we finally outscore the opposing team when we are getting shitty goaltending.

  149. kinger_OIL says:

    Woodguy,

    – yes but it’s not actual points. He was 34th in actual goals and 26th actual points.

    – you know what he actually produced in terms of actual goals and points. That matters more than pp60.

    – Some here think hall is elite closer to top 3 by citing pp60. I think he is more top30 based on what he actually produced last 4 years.

    – Playing a lot of games over 4 years isn’t luck it’s part of playing in the NHL.

  150. Woodguy says:

    kinger_OIL,

    – pp60 is cherry picking a stat. Playing a lot of games matters more to the team than pp60 if you are missing a dozen games a year.

    Ok.

    Let’s take your logic and apply it to last year:

    Top 10 total 5v5 pts:

    KANE, PATRICK 57
    CROSBY, SIDNEY 51
    KUZNETSOV, EVGENY 49
    JAGR, JAROMIR 49
    WHEELER, BLAKE 48
    HALL, TAYLOR 48
    GAUDREAU, JOHNNY 45
    TAVARES, JOHN 45
    THORNTON, JOE 45
    KARLSSON, ERIK 44

    So Hall was the 6th best 5v5 scorer last year (while mostly playing with a 20 year old C and Teddy Purcell)

    Hey look:

    MCDAVID, CONNOR 28

    That’s tied for 102nd in the NHL.

    Do you think that McDavid is 102nd best 5v5 point producer in the NHL?

    If we look at points per hour played we see;

    JAGR, JAROMIR 2.7
    MCDAVID, CONNOR 2.69
    KANE, PATRICK 2.62
    KUZNETSOV, EVGENY 2.54
    CROSBY, SIDNEY 2.53
    SCHEIFELE, MARK 2.51
    WHEELER, BLAKE 2.5
    CAMMALLERI, MIKE 2.45
    THORNTON, JOE 2.41
    COLBORNE, JOE 2.32
    HALL, TAYLOR 2.31
    HUBERDEAU, JONATHAN 2.31
    TARASENKO, VLADIMIR 2.29
    GAUDREAU, JOHNNY 2.26
    HOFFMAN, MIKE 2.25

    So was McDavid the 2nd best 5v5 point producer last year or the 102nd?

    The logic you used for Hall dictates that you think he was 102nd.

    Are you sure you want to hold that position on McDavid?

  151. godot10 says:

    Woodguy: Well,over the same last 4 years as Hall’s points that I posted above, the Oilers scored:

    51.4% of the goals when Hall was on ice.This would have been 12th in the NHL over that time.
    39.1% of the goals when Hall was not on the ice.This would have been 30th in the NHL over that time (BUF was 30th with 41.3%, EDM was 29th with 42.7%)

    So, to answer the question of “what Hall did with his talent”, my initial answer is:

    1) Made them as good as a 12th place team when he was on ice
    2) Scored at a top 5 rate in the entire NHL 5v5.

    And he did this all with mostly an AHL level Dcorps behind him. (seethis post for more details on the state of the Dcorps)

    That’s a hell of a lot to accomplish imo.

    Why’s that?

    NJD hard matches Zajac (Zone Start rate of 41%) against the toughs and gives Henrique a bit of apush. (ZSR=51%)(ZSR = OZS/(OZS+DZS))

    I’d imagine they play him with Henrique (were line mates in Junior and that’s the scoring line) so if the ZSR holds (Hall was 52.7% last year) then he should be in the same position to score.

    The NJD Dcorps isn’t that good, but its better than anything the Oiler’s iced in the last 4 years.

    Add to this that Hall has historically scored a little better vs the East and he’ll play 52 of his games against the East.

    I think he’ll do as well, if not better than he did in EDM.

    Why do you think he’ll regress?

    Hall is a great player. I expect he will destroy the eastern conference. It doesn’t matter. He “freelances” too much for a systems coach like McLellan. Chiarelli recognized this fundamental unresolvable conflict, and eliminated it.

    The limitations of McLellan as a coach meant trading Hall for the right right D was the best option, particularly since Chiarelli could backfill with Lucic.

    I was emotionally invested in the rebuild around Hall. It was painful to see him go. It made me crazy when the Hall rebuild went off the rails with the Eakins hire. But Chiarelli was/is not invested in the rebuild around Hall. He doesn’t care. The last six years mean nothing to him.

    The King is dead. Long live the King.

  152. kinger_OIL says:

    Centre of attention: I don’t know what was funnier. Failing to recognize that pp/60 is specifically measuring exactly what he was talking about as most important, or the fact that he says scoring goals and points is most important to a team.

    If scoring goals and points is whats most important, wouldn’t that mean Hall is extremely important?

    I’m baffled lol.

    That would be funny! Haha. But it’s not my point! Your funny.

  153. Centre of attention says:

    kinger_OIL: That would be funny!Haha. But it’s not my point!Your funny.

    Sorry. I was being a dork.

    Read WoodGuy’s posts, seriously. He’s got the facts.

  154. LadiesloveSmid says:

    The KHL season starts and ends a good bit earlier, right?

    Think Paigin will come over for some games like Tryamkin in Vancouver?

  155. GCW_69 says:

    Even if Chiarelli is having a hard time finding another right hand defender, there is no excuse for the forward depth.

    Parenteau went for $1.8M, Versteeg went to the Swiss league, and Hudler and Vrbata are still put there. If the lack of forward depth bites them in the ass it’s completely on Chiarelli.

    Ditto for goaltending. No excuses there.

    As for the defence, I would be wooing Wiz while keeping Murray on speed dial to see if I could get Franson. A stop gap defender is probably the right move with the expansion draft coming up.

    But man, this is an unfinished roster, and there is no reason for it to be.

  156. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy,

    44 year old Jagr. WTF??

  157. lynn says:

    I agree with LT: There is a good possibility Jujhar Khaira will be regular on the Oilers’ 4th-line at the trade deadline–either as a centre or at left wing.

    I think Khaira starts the season in the AHL, even if he outplays some 3rd and 4th line players at training camp. Lander and Pakarinen can be extra forwards at the start of the season, while Khaira can continue developing his skills in Bakersfield, waiting for a recall. Khaira is too young to be an extra forward on the Oilers’ roster.

  158. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: 51.4% of the goals when Hall was on ice. This would have been 12th in the NHL over that time.

    12-13: forward points:
    LW: Hall 50; MPS 16; Smyth 13; Jones 7; Hartikainen 3
    C: Gagner 38; RNH 24; Horcoff 12; Belanger 3; Smithson 1; Lander 1
    RW: Eberle 37; Yakupov 34; Hemsky 20; Petrell 9; Brown 1
    Hal played with
    Eberle 66.4%; RNH 59.8%; Hemsky 19.7%; Gagner 17.6%; Horcoff 17.5%; Yakupov 8.3%
    Do you see how shiitty the bottom end of the team was?

    13-14:
    LW: Hall 80; Perron 57; Smyth 23; jones 6 Jeonsuu 5; Gazdic 4
    C: RNH 56; Gagner 37; Gordon 21; Acton 5; Hendricks 3; Lander 1
    RW: Eberle 65; Hemsky 26; Yakupov 24; Pinzz 2
    hall played with
    RNH 59.9%; Eberle 46.2%; Gagner 31.8%; Perron 22.3%; Hemsky 14.9%; Yak 10.7%
    not alot of time with bottom 6 forwards.

    14-15:
    LW: Hall 38; Pouliot 34; Perron 1/2 season 19; hendricks 16; Joensuu 4; Klink 3
    C: RNH 56; Roy 1/2 season 22; Lander 1/2 ssn 20; Gordon 13; Drai 9
    RW: Eberle 63; Purcell 34; Yak 33; Fraser 9; Miller 6; Pinz 4
    hall played with
    RNH 62.1%; Eberle 59.2%; Purcell 14.2%; Lander 11.5%; Miller 9.9%
    Kind of playing with the forwards he should get those numbers with.

    15-16:
    LW: Hall 65; Pouliot 30; Korpikoski 22; Maroon 16gm 14P; Hendricks 12; Slepy 1
    C: Draisatl 51; Mcdavid 48; RNH 34; Letestu 25; Lander 3; Khaira 2
    RW: Eberle 47; Purcell 32; Yak 23; Pak 13; kassian 8
    Hall played with

    16-17
    LW: Lucic 56; Pouliot 36; Maroon 34; Hendricks 13
    C; Mcdavid 80; RNH 56; Draisatl 50; Letestu 24
    RW: Eberle 64; Kassian 30; yakupov 27; Pak 20; JP ???

  159. kinger_OIL says:

    Woodguy:
    kinger_OIL,

    – pp60 is cherry picking a stat. Playing a lot of games matters more to the team than pp60 if you are missing a dozen games a year.

    Ok.

    Let’s take your logic and apply it to last year:

    Top 10 total 5v5 pts:

    KANE, PATRICK57
    CROSBY, SIDNEY51
    KUZNETSOV, EVGENY49
    JAGR, JAROMIR49
    WHEELER, BLAKE48
    HALL, TAYLOR48
    GAUDREAU, JOHNNY45
    TAVARES, JOHN45
    THORNTON, JOE45
    KARLSSON, ERIK44

    So Hall was the 6th best 5v5 scorer last year(while mostly playing with a 20 year old C and Teddy Purcell)

    Hey look:

    MCDAVID, CONNOR 28

    That’s tied for 102nd in the NHL.

    Do you think that McDavid is 102nd best 5v5 point producer in the NHL?

    If we look at points per hour played we see;

    JAGR, JAROMIR2.7
    MCDAVID, CONNOR2.69
    KANE, PATRICK2.62
    KUZNETSOV, EVGENY2.54
    CROSBY, SIDNEY2.53
    SCHEIFELE, MARK2.51
    WHEELER, BLAKE2.5
    CAMMALLERI, MIKE2.45
    THORNTON, JOE2.41
    COLBORNE, JOE2.32
    HALL, TAYLOR2.31
    HUBERDEAU, JONATHAN2.31
    TARASENKO, VLADIMIR2.29
    GAUDREAU, JOHNNY2.26
    HOFFMAN, MIKE2.25

    So was McDavid the 2nd best 5v5 point producer last year or the 102nd?

    The logic you used for Hall dictates that you thinkhe was 102nd.

    Are you sure you want to hold that position on McDavid?

    – no. I’m saying that hall scored the34th amount of goals in the last 4 years and he had the 26th most amount of points. That’s how I see him. He’s an excellent point scorer.

    – over 4 years I think that’s a good proxy for who he is. I think it’s a better proxy than pp60 which says he’s top 5 in league.

    – I guess it’s a matter of opinion and I disagree with some about how “elite” hall is. I value actual goals and actual assists and actual contribution over 4 seasons more than what his average was for the games that he played.

    – I suspect that’s why he didn’t get as much in a trade as some here. He’s not as elite as some here think.

  160. Water Fire says:

    There have been a lot of good points raised. They have made me think that after the #1 RHD was acquired we are in phase 2.

    Chiarelli isn’t foolish and will do deals, so we have to think he doesn’t want to get a bunch of old forwards to shore up.

    I think he’ll do a deal for his offensive ‘young’ RHD if he finds it. Outside of that I think they want to make the playoffs but know they can’t win at this point and will put any young player on the roster that they feel is the future and give them some miles.

    An NHL team is fluid, not static. If a deal comes up it might get done for anything, but other than that I get the feeling they’ll go to camp and see if anybody can win a job and fix an issue.

    I am in with LT that Fayne is a reasonable 2nd RHD. So unless Chia gets a better option he stays, and Chia would be familiar with him from last season and NJ.

    If there are weaknesses as they perceive in season he’ll get busy. Maybe that play with the back up wastes assets, but goalies are cheap for most teams.

    It takes every emerging team at least a couple of years to hit the cup, so a reasonable plan includes putting valued youth in place to grow into that as this same team did before. The question is whether there is enough ‘Weir’ yet.

  161. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I see what you did there. And you know what? You’re right!

    I love this. I fucking love Lucic on our team. Almost everyone I talk to may dislike him as a player but respect what he brings. No doubt in my mind at least a couple of guys are going to be positively impacted by his presence whether it’s nutrition or charity work off the ice or being a consistent pro on it. He has gone through a lot the past year or so, it’s going to be great to see him with his big smile sitting next to McDavid. I am so pumped.

  162. maudite says:

    I want to not care so badly. Every year they add to the reasons why it’s beyond ridiculous to try and be a fan.

    The gm we should have at very least interviewed before hiring MacT took our new gm our behind the woodshed and smacked him around.

    The defenseman that was under terrible coach a couple seasons back and probably could have been snatched at a much more reasonable cost (when it was already past obvious we were shy on rhd prospects let alone already actual nhler rhd) we waited and paid the moon for.

    Was not a fan of pc hire. Was a step up from the steaming pile of the last decade but wasn’t overly optimistic. Sure his phone calls probably get answered by other GM’S but anyone looking at the shape the bruins were in and the deals he was a part of in last 4 years could not logically be enthused.

    Kevin Lowe once built a team that almost won the cup. Pc built a team that won a cup. Both primarily by making one great move and acquiring an absolute stud Dman that can play half a game. Sun shines on a dogs ass every once in a while.

    The day nill ended up in Dallas is really the day I quit being much other than the most casual fan possible. If horshoes didn’t keep falling out of their ass we would be damned forever. Even with all the luck they still don’t have sufficient skill to piece it together. It’s almost too bad we got McDavid as I would be watching whatever team he played on…now I’m stuck watching oiler games still.

    Buy high
    Sell low

  163. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    maudite:
    I want to not care so badly.Every year they add to the reasons why it’s beyond ridiculous to try and be a fan.

    The gm we should have at very least interviewed before hiring MacT took our new gm our behind the woodshed and smacked him around.

    The defenseman that was under terrible coach a couple seasons back and probably could have been snatched at a much more reasonable cost (when it was already past obvious we were shy on rhd prospects let alone already actual nhler rhd) we waited and paid the moon for.

    Was not a fan of pc hire.Was a step up from the steaming pile of the last decade but wasn’t overly optimistic.Sure his phone calls probably get answered by other GM’S but anyone looking at the shape the bruins were in and the deals he was a part of in last 4 years could not logically be enthused.

    Kevin Lowe once built a team that almost won the cup.Pc built a team that won a cup.Both primarily by making one great move and acquiring an absolute stud Dman that can play half a game.Sun shines on a dogs ass every once in a while.

    The day nill ended up in Dallas is really the day I quit being much other than the most casual fan possible.If horshoes didn’t keep falling out of their ass we would be damned forever.Even with all the luck they still don’t have sufficient skill to piece it together.It’s almost too bad we got McDavid as I would be watching whatever team he played on…now I’m stuck watching oiler games still.

    Buy high
    Sell low

    Wow I’d hate to live in your world. It’s a free country pick a different team then! I’ve met Leafs fans who justifiably switched teams to save their sanity. It’s just a sport dude relax. With all the hate and violence in the world, Sports are suppose to be an escape to help stimulate the mind. If that’s not working for you maybe you should try something else. I dont get all the doom and gloom. Just my 2 cents.

    Best of luck to you either way

  164. rickithebear says:

    Centre of attention: I don’t know what was funnier. Failing to recognize that pp/60 is specifically measuring exactly what he was talking about as most important, or the fact that he says scoring goals and points is most important to a team.

    If scoring goals and points is whats most important, wouldn’t that mean Hall is extremely important?

    I’m baffled lol.

    Points/60 does not measure the affect of missed games.

    I was hammered on this point years ago on here by saying eager gets X EVG/60.

    Now i see those same being total fucking hypocrites. on the same point.

    Complete lack of character on there parts cause the truth is halls absence in games is important part of the puzzle.

    Points/season takes into account the missed games.

    but it does not translate the severe negative affect of games without that player.

    Used hall to greatly improve the GA reduction play of the D by getting Larsson
    Replaced halls per season production rate.
    we have 11 more games of a 1st line caliber Forward play than hall.
    thereby allowing for a more spread out offence.

  165. Woodguy says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Woodguy,

    44 year old Jagr. WTF??

    absolute piss cutter

    older player in the leauge 1st
    youngest player in the leauge 2nd

    crazy

  166. rickithebear says:

    Try being a a fan of Shannahan:

    You need even forward scoring depth. to win a cup.

    The 2 season before Shannahan took over 12-13 to 13-14
    Kessel
    #1 fwd 41 EVG
    #3 fwd 85 EVP

    in 14-15
    Kessel
    #58 fwd 14 EVG
    #100 fwd 30 EVP

    W/ Carlyle
    40gm 18G 25A 43P
    12 EVG 15 EVA 27 EVP
    6 PPG 10 PPA 16 PPA

    Shanahan replaces Carlyle
    W/ Horacek
    Kessel
    42gm 7G 11A 18P
    5 EVG 4EVA 9 EVP
    2 PPG 7 PPA 9 PPP
    Shanahan greatly reduces Kessels value.

    Keeps 1.2M office cap;
    receives Kapanen; Spaling; Harington; Pits 1st rd and 2016 3rd

    you need top 10 HSCA goalie to be cup competitive.

    1. Price .889
    ——————— tier 1
    2. Talbot; Griess .886
    4. Holtby .885
    ——————– tier 2
    5. Halak .882
    6. Jones .881
    7. Elliott; Allen .880
    ——————- tier 3
    9. Crawford .878
    10. lundquist .877
    —————— tier 4
    11. Bernier; Schnieder .874
    13. Mrazek .873

    18. Gibson

    25. F. andersson

    so Shanahan trades pit #1 (Kessel trade piece) and 2nd 2017 for
    the 26th best goalie at stopping shots in the area 75% of goals come from.
    then he turns round and sends a conf final caliber Goalie Bernier to Anaheim for a 5th rounder.
    Anaheim keeps the better of their 2 goalies and gets toronto’s sgolaie who is superior to both.
    just laughed my ass off on that one.

    He makes snows worst years look like a genius.

    Holy fuck is he awful!

  167. Oilspill says:

    Lucic filling 70% of Halls void is laughable. Just watch the possession he “creates” and it won’t be measures by shots. He creates a ridiculous forecheck that Hall could never dream of. Lucic crushed a D gets real possession feeds McD…….

  168. hunter1909 says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    To those suggesting that Jesse Puljujarvi is raring to go and contribute this season don’t forget that he is coming off an injury.
    They say it isn’t serious, but it kept him out of this world junior showcase and he hasn’t had a proper summer of training.
    We’ll see if he is Oilered into the lineup or if he is afforded some time to get healthy and up to NHL speed both with his body and brain.

    Sheldon Souray says hello.

  169. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: I suspect Hall will have a major impact on their offense.

    Hall’s been a consistent, ppg plus scorer. Barring injury, there’s no reason to doubt he’s going to finish in the top ten.

    And he’s gone.

  170. hunter1909 says:

    JDï™: Have you ever tried to rent a barn? It isn’t easy, let me tell you.

    People are advertising barns online where I come from.

  171. hunter1909 says:

    kinger_OIL: – Some here think hall is elite closer to top 3 by citing pp60. I think he is more top30 based on what he actually produced last 4 years.

    Dallas Eakins says: “CHOP WOOD CARRY WATER”

    Oilers need to be bought by Gazprom, before Lowe+MacT get up to any more shenanigans.

  172. hags9k says:

    It must be August because I tend to think this team is going to have the new barn rocking. I’d like to see Wiz-new-skis and a bottom six vet added but at the end of the day, this team will go North by playing a structured team game, and by the growth and development of the young core. They don’t need more help as much as they just need to find their NHL potential. A TOTAL TEAM BREAKOUT SEASON.

    Larsson, Klefbom, Nurse, Davidson, Talbot, Nuge, Draisatl, Pool Party.
    Connor McDavid

    Time to start kicking ass.

  173. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: absolute piss cutter

    older player in the leauge 1st
    youngest player in the leauge 2nd

    crazy

    Yeah I noticed that too a while back. Absolutely off the charts

  174. Soup Fascist says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Yeah I noticed that too a while back. Absolutely off the charts

    The age difference between the two kind of defines “generational” – although doing it at 43 is frankly unbelievable.

  175. Caribbeerman says:

    LT for all the trading and signings that PC has accomplished this off-season the greatest improvement that will come in the standings will be as a result of improved play from players already on the roster like McDavid, Draisaitl, Klefbom and Nurse. And if you include improved play from veterans like RNH, Fayne and Pouliot – well then I think you can talk about the playoffs!

  176. russ99 says:

    Two issues at work here, IMO:

    1) Continuation of the Lowe/Tambellini/MacT ideal that first round picks and defensive prospects are ready to start in the NHL right away. Puljujarvi needs time to acclimate to North American ice/style. There is a lot invested in Nurse and Reinhart, and both need more development time, they they likely won’t get.

    This has to change if we’re to contend. If a player forces his way onto the roster, fine, but you can’t hold off on acquiring good NHL players because management would rather throw young players in the deep end and hope they don’t sink.

    2) Seems to be a real trepidation league-wide about the expansion draft. We’re going to lose one player. If the team is run well, the loss of one player shouldn’t make a large difference. We shouldn’t hold off on fixing holes in the roster out of fear who we might lose.

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