OVERTURE, CURTAINS, LIGHTS!

In 2005 October, the Edmonton Oilers entered opening night with a (mostly) balanced roster. Their 4C was Marty Reasoner—completely capable of doing the job assigned, while also mentoring the team’s youths and moving up in the order as required. The defense was a veteran group with one of the best and most complete blue in the game. Now, the goaltending was still wobbly, but the fix was obvious and eventually addressed.

 Opening Night Fall 2005

  • L1: Horcoff-Smyth-Dvorak
  • L2: Peca-Torres-Hemsky
  • L3: Stoll-Moreau-Pisani
  • L4: Reasoner-Harvey-Laraque
  • D1: Pronger-Staios
  • D2: Ulanov-Smith
  • D3: Cross-Bergeron
  • G1: Ty Conklin (Jussi Markkanen)

I have sourced this from an old post so you are going to have to live with C-L-R. What a lineup! Impressive depth at center, defense and we won’t worry about the goalie until the deadline. I loved this team then, loved them now. If you transported that third line and top pairing (at their 2005 age) onto the current team, the world would be a much better place.

Opening Night Fall 2006

  • L1: Horcoff-Smyth-Lupul
  • L2: Sykora-Torres-Hemsky
  • L3: Stoll-Moreau-Pisani
  • L4: Reasoner-Thoresen-Winchester
  • D1: Tjarnqvist-Smith
  • D2: Smid-Staios
  • D3: Bergeron-Greene
  • G1: Roloson (Markkanen)

The goaltending is better and I still love the forwards, but the defense is trashed and remains so one decade later. Seriously. The biggest error in these dozen years is here: Sending away Chris Pronger with no veteran to replace his minutes. No Jaroslav Spacek, no Eric Brewer, no Jay Bouwmeester.

Opening Night Fall 2007

  • L1: Horcoff-Penner-Hemsky
  • L2: Stoll-Torres-Nilsson
  • L3: Reasoner-Sanderson-Brodziak
  • L4: Cogliano-Jacques-Gagner
  • D1: Pitkanen-Staios
  • D2: Souray-Greene
  • D3: Tarnstrom-Gilbert
  • G1: Roloson-Garon

Bah, this looks like those Dan Driessen Expos rosters of the 1980s: You recognize Geoff Sanderson, but it was ten years after he mattered. Good lord the Oilers ended a lot of NHL careers. One area that does look improved: Defense. Pitkanen was a dandy two-way guy, Souray could hammer it and Tom Gilbert had some productive seasons. Also liked the goaltending this season.

Opening Night 2008

  • L1: Horcoff-Cole-Hemsky
  • L2: Gagner-Cogliano-Nilsson
  • L3: Pisani-Moreau-Penner
  • L4: Brodziak-Pouliot-Stortini
  • D1: Visnovsky-Souray
  • D2: Grebeskhov-Gilbert
  • D3: Strudwick-Staios
  • G1: Garon, Roloson, Deslauriers

Addition of Eric Cole gives this period a ‘Sleeping with the Enemy’ feel, and I will love Lubo until the day I day. Nicely done on the goaling decision, men. This team won 38 games, and you can see some nice things here. There is reasonable depth on defense, and even though Pisani is out of position at center there are good young players pushing. This was MacT’s last team, although the team would employ wingers at center in the future.

jacques

Jean-Francois Jacques

Opening Night 2009

  • L1: Horcoff-Jacques-Hemsky
  • L2: Cogliano-Penner-Brule
  • L3: Comrie-O’Sullivan-Stone
  • L4: Gagner-Moreau-Stortini
  • D1: Grebeshkov-Gilbert
  • D2: Souray-Staios
  • D3: Visnovsky-Smid
  • G1: Khabibulin, Deslauriers

This is Pat Quinn’s architecture, and there is a Coke Machine in every room. Gagner-Moreau on the 4line and JF Jacques on the 1line is like a brilliant Marx Brothers scene where they bring in all the props and end up in a tower of flour. Like going to war with guns that have corks in every barrel.

Opening Night 2010

  • L1: Gagner-Penner-Hemsky
  • L2: Horcoff-Hall-Eberle
  • L3: Cogliano-Paajarvi-Brule
  • L4: Fraser-Jones-MacIntyre
  • D1: Whitney-Foster
  • D2: Smid-Gilbert
  • D3: Peckham-Vandermeer
  • G1: Khabibulin, Dubnyk

This was the first Tom Renney team, and there were things to like about the group. Horcoff with the kids, Penner-Hemsky could do some things (Gagner never did develop as hoped) and that third line had some interesting talents. Bad fourth line, defense is still shy by miles and the goaltending is good not great—and NK had some health issues and a poor season.

hallnugebs

Photo by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved.

Opening Night 2011

  • L1: Belanger-Smyth-Eberle
  • L2: Nuge-Hall-Hemsky
  • L3: Horcoff-Omark-Paajarvi
  • L4: Lander-Hordichuk-Jones
  • D1: Sutton-Gilbert
  • D2: Barker-Petry
  • D3: Smid-Peckham
  • G1: Dubnyk, Khabibulin

This is an interesting group, and more interesting still Renney had this bunch going in a reasonable direction. Tambellini should have kept him around, truth to tell. Horcoff gets two more kids on his wing, Nuge-Hall works and the Oilers needed two older gents to turn back time. The defense had some interesting names but overall was at least two blue shy of a quorum. Goaling remains the same.

Opening Night 2012

  • L1: RNH-Hall-Eberle
  • L2: Gagner-Yakupov-Hemsky
  • L3: Horcoff-Smyth-Hartikainen
  • L4: Belanger-Eager-Petrell
  • D1: Smid-Petry
  • D2: Schultz-Schultz
  • D3: Whitney-Fistric
  • G1: Dubnyk, Khabibulin

The ’22 and younger’ group include the top line, Yakupov, Gagner, Justin Schultz.  There was a lot of potential and promise, but success would not reach this cluster. The ‘Ron Low-Stan Weir’ veterans are Horcoff and Smyth, both men struggling to keep up with a league that was getting faster by the minute. I’m always going to hold that 2006 spring team in my heart, and watching those two warriors fade is a little bit heartbreaking. Night, Ralph.

dusty acton

Opening Night 2013 (L-C-R)

  • L1: Smyth—Hall—Hemsky
  • L2: Perron—Arcobello—Eberle
  • L3: Joensuu—Gordon—Yakupov
  • L4: Gazdic—Acton—Mike Brown
  • D1: Ference—J. Schultz
  • D2: Smid—Petry
  • D3: N. Schultz—Belov
  • G1: Dubnyk (LaBarbera)

Lots of talent, lots of problems. Hall is at center, Nuge is hurt, Nail is with Boyd Gordon and that fourth line might be the poorest trio Edmonton has iced. Ever. Smid-Petry was nice, Belov made me so mad one night against the Coyotes I ruined a dinner party at our house with unforgivable behavior (the couple in question has never been back, I assume they haven’t driven within 50 miles of the house since that night). God Almighty.

Opening Night 2014

  • L1: Hall—Nuge—Eberle
  • L2: Pouliot—Draisaitl—Yakupov
  • L3: Perron—Arcobello—Purcell
  • L4: Hendricks—Gordon—Joensuu
  • D1: Nikitin—Fayne
  • D2: Ference—Petry
  • D3: Hunt—J. Schultz
  • G1: Scrivens (Fasth)

Okay. There are some things here. Top line is brilliant and the LWs on this team are pretty damn good. Plus Purcell and Nail should have been helping by this point. I like Fayne and Petry amongst the blue, but nine years after 2005 opening night the defense remains a complete train wreck. Oy.

Opening Night 2015

  • L1: Pouliot—Nuge—Purcell
  • L2: Hall—McDavid—Slepyshev
  • L3: Korpikoski—Lander —Yakupov
  • L4: Klinkhammer—Letestu—Hendricks
  • D1: Sekera—Fayne
  • D2: Klefbom—J. Schultz
  • D3: Reinhart—Gryba
  • G1: Talbot (Nilsson)
  • Extras: Luke Gazdic, Andrew Ference, Brandon Davidson
  • Injured: Jordan Eberle, Dillon Simpson

I like the top two lines (if Eberle were healthy) but the third and fourth lines—sometimes a strength during these 10 years—looks bad from any angle. Sekera, Fayne, Klefbom and Davidson (although we didn’t know he was Davidson) are all here, and I do like the goalie. There is some hope here, and this is Todd McLellan’s first team. Still lots of chaos, but the hint of structure all the same. Injuries sewered this team, and the schedule didn’t help.

kassian capture

Photo by Mark Williams, all rights reserved

PROJECTED OPENING NIGHT 2016

 

  • L1: Lucic—McDavid—Eberle
  • L2: Pouliot—Nuge—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • L3: Maroon—Draisaitl—Yakupov
  • L4: Hendricks—Letestu—Kassian
  • D1: Klefbom—Larsson
  • D2: Sekera—Fayne
  • D3: Nurse—Davidson
  • G1: Talbot (Gustavsson)
  • Extras: Anton Lander, Iiro Pakarinen, Jordan Oesterle
  • Injured: Andrew Ference

 

McLellan’s second team has more balance and structure, also seem to fit his ‘place and chase’ style better. Connor McDavid looks bigger, stronger and faster (I am not even kidding) based on last night’s WCH exhibition game, so look out world! I really like the centers three, hope the club can use them and give McLellan a chance to move up Leon to RW as required. That is the kind of depth and quality required to make the playoffs.

This roster has far better balance, and I think we can point to hopeful signs at pretty much all of the positions. They will leave the starting gate with questions in goal (backup), defense (righty puck mover and PP shooter) and forward (RHC two-way type) but there is improvement in this roster. Health remains a concern.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

  • Brad Gagnon, Bleacher Report. NFL season got off to a concussed start last night, and the Blue Jays need a big weekend.
  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. Connor McDavid as Oilers captain, WCH, Jays.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Do the Eskimos make the playoffs, how many points for McDavid this year?
  • Paul Almeida, SSE. We will chat about McDavid as captain and Edmonton’s chances of making the playoffs.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Weekend is here!

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132 Responses to "OVERTURE, CURTAINS, LIGHTS!"

  1. Pouzar says:

    DON’T TRADE NUGE.

  2. Drew says:

    Loved the 2005 L3: Stoll-Moreau-Pisani.

  3. 36 percent body fat says:

    switch eberle and yak, all three lines could than score and have some decent defensive side as well.

  4. hickey99 says:

    Looking back I see a lot of hoping in those lineups. And trying to stay reasoned about my expectations I’m seeing that again. And it surrounds the D and bottom 6 again. Hope Davidson keeps up and doesn’t get a sophomore slump, hoping Larrson is who we hope he is, hoping Klefbom can stay healthy, hoping Darnell will look more balanced, hoping maroon and kassian build from last year, maybe yak will be different. Other teams have had the stars align but I think we are still in that phase of hoping. If we are going to be good the stars will have to align. My hope is we are able to remove some of the hope and know what the lineup actually has to offer before the season is over.

  5. kinger_OIL says:

    For D: this is the best use of vets and kids and development IMO:

    D1: Sek—Larsson
    D2: Klef—Fayne
    D3: Davidson—Gryba

    – You’ve got a puck-mover/passer on each pair.

    – I like this because some think that Davidson is 2nd pairing, and Klef 1st pairing, but they are both down a notch (with weaker partners)

    – Sek-Larsson are the two most accomplished D that we have: put them together

    – Nurse and Griff can get better in the AHL

    – We know at the minumum what each of these players can do, and some have upside.

  6. OF17 says:

    Wow, it’s illuminating going back through all of those starting lineups. We really have had some awful teams over the last decade, each and every one of them with obvious holes and weaknesses. Makes you wonder if the GMs had projected the lineup at all when they decided they were done for the summer.

    What’s encouraging is that in the last two years, the game of whack a mole seems to have stopped. One year our defense was great and our bottom 6 forwards awful, then the inverse happened, then nothing was right, then it was all skill and no two-way play, etc. Moving the problems around. We’re finally getting steady improvements and what looks like a greater plan in building the team. It’s far from perfect, but I much prefer this to the cycle of cluelessness that your post so clearly illuminates.

  7. digger50 says:

    The roster looks pretty darn good, the best part is almost all look to be actual NHL players this year. And even some depth hiding out here and there!

    Although I like the team at present I have been critical in regards to finding those last two pieces we need. I remain hopeful. As we expect a lot from the players, we also expect a lot from the GM and want to know he is still on the hunt to improve the team as he can, without sacrificing any strengths.

  8. slopitch says:

    2010-2013 was where the real madness was. The team is still recovering from that. Also happens about the same time you switched from C-L-R to L-C-R. Madness I say! 🙂

  9. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    hickey99:
    Looking back I see a lot of hoping in those lineups.And trying to stay reasoned about my expectations I’m seeing that again.And it surrounds the D and bottom 6 again.Hope Davidson keeps up and doesn’t get a sophomore slump, hoping Larrson is who we hope he is, hoping Klefbom can stay healthy, hoping Darnell will look more balanced, hoping maroon and kassian build from last year, maybe yak will be different. Other teams have had the stars align but I think we are still in that phase of hoping.If we are going to be good the stars will have to align.My hope is we are able to remove some of the hope and know what the lineup actually has to offer before the season is over.

    I generally agree, though I also am happy with the work that has been done this summer.

    One note though, I don’t think looking at Davidson as a 3rd pairing guy is a “hope” issue. He was a very competent second pairing guy last year, his numbers were spectacular. Even with a fair bit of regression he should be, at the very least, a competent if unspectacular 3rd pairing guy.

  10. OF17 says:

    kinger_OIL:
    For D: this is the best use of vets and kids and development IMO:

    D1: Sek—Larsson
    D2: Klef—Fayne
    D3: Davidson—Gryba

    – You’ve got a puck-mover/passer on each pair.

    – I like this because some think that Davidson is 2nd pairing, and Klef 1st pairing, but they are both down a notch (with weaker partners)

    – Sek-Larsson are the two most accomplished D that we have: put them together

    – Nurse and Griff can get better in the AHL

    – We know at the minumum what each of these players can do, and some have upside.

    The problem I have with that is Sekera-Larsson would supposedly get the toughs and D zone starts, which means you’d be sinking two of your two-way D so pairings with Fayne and Gryba could get softer offensive ice. That doesn’t make sense to me.

    Whatever pairing Klefbom is on is the one I want out with McDavid, and I’d like to have Larsson’s puck moving out there with him. At the same time, Sekera-Fayne showed they can take primarily defensive assignments last year, and playing them in that role makes best use of their strengths.

    I could see your pairings working out, but they don’t make as much sense to me as the other layout for those reasons.

  11. OF17 says:

    Pouzar:
    hee hee

    http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1096694-report-gaudreau-seeking-8m-annually-on-new-deal-with-flames

    Can’t see Johnny signing for an AAV with a 6 in front of it. That would potentially be leaving $10+ million on the table over the course of his deal. Can’t blame the Flames for trying, but come on. There’s only so far the “Gio should make the most money” argument can go.

  12. OilersFuture says:

    Is this year’s defense the best the Oiler’s have had since 2007-08? Is it better than that defense?

  13. rickithebear says:

    OF17: The problem I have with that is Sekera-Larsson would supposedly get the toughs and D zone starts, which means you’d be sinking two of your two-way D

    I keep saying
    top (eva/60 RK) D on separate lines:

    1stcomp:
    top 10 HSCA D
    XXX- Larsson (top 40)

    top 60 HSCA D
    Klefbom (top 30) – XXX

    2nd comp:
    top 20 HSCAD vs 2nd or lower.
    Sekera (top 50) – XXX

  14. JJS says:

    I love that photo of JF Jacques getting his ‘give a fuck’ meter adjusted. If only they had the right allen key for his ‘put it in the net’ screw.

  15. Jethro Tull says:

    Little thread-jack here:

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160907-how-curiosity-can-protect-the-mind-from-bias

    Some really good citations linked in here too.

    Apparently, the smarter you are, the harder you find it to disagree with yourself!

  16. Ribs says:

    Love the JF Jacques photo. They never could get those screws tight…

  17. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Little thread-jack here:

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160907-how-curiosity-can-protect-the-mind-from-bias

    Some really good citations linked in here too.

    Apparently, the smarter you are, the harder you find it to disagree with yourself!

    Makes sense. If you’re alrieady right about everything ther’s no reason to change your mind. You just need to yell a little louder at those morons who disagree with you. /~

  18. russ99 says:

    We badly need a modern version of Stoll-Moreau-Pisani.

    But the only player on the roster that could work is RNH for a more productive Moreau, plus he’s still needed in the top 6.

    The problem with adding a big to each line is that the bigs we have aren’t above average players when we don’t have the puck, and some aren’t even average.

  19. Oilspill says:

    rickithebear: I keep saying
    top (eva/60 RK) D on separate lines:

    1stcomp:
    top 10 HSCA D
    XXX- Larsson (top 40)

    top 60 HSCA D
    Klefbom (top 30) – XXX

    2nd comp:
    top 20 HSCAD vs 2nd or lower.
    Sekera (top 50) – XXX

    If and I say if Gryba comes back (25% chance) why couldn’t he and Davidson take d zone responsibilities? They were very good in the D zone ( in reality ). To free up others in the O zone.

  20. Caramel Batman says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Little thread-jack here:

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160907-how-curiosity-can-protect-the-mind-from-bias

    Some really good citations linked in here too.

    Apparently, the smarter you are, the harder you find it to disagree with yourself!

    I believe it.

  21. Caramel Batman says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Makes sense. If you’re alrieady right about everything ther’s no reason to change your mind. You just need to yell a little louder at those morons who disagree with you. /~

    Agree completely.

  22. fifthcartel says:

    Versteeg 🙂

  23. Bruce McCurdy says:

    To riff off an old, tasteless joke, that BAG Line of Brown-Acton-Gazdic is more like a double-bagger.

  24. Pouzar says:

    Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger)

    Hearing Kris Versteeg is closing in on PTO with Edmonton.

  25. LMHF#1 says:

    Pouzar:
    Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger)

    Hearing Kris Versteeg is closing in on PTO with Edmonton.

    Hoorah. Good choice. Should have been Hudler a month ago under contract but still. Good teams invite vets for PTOs.

  26. LMHF#1 says:

    OilersFuture:
    Is this year’s defense the best the Oiler’s have had since 2007-08?Is it better than that defense?

    That 07-08 group was a pleasure to watch. This group isn’t close yet. No Souray. No Pitkanen.

    If that 05-06 team had a little more top end talent up front from the start…the season may have been as wonderful as the playoffs.

  27. John Chambers says:

    From 2007-2010 we were a fanbase starved for STARS!

    Pronger leaves and it’s like Dr Frankenstein crossing the world trying to draw Vanek, Hossa, Heatley … anyone who could potentially finish top-10 in scoring.

    Twenty-ten comes and we have Hall AND Ebs! Stars! But they’re kids and we’re happy to lose … thereby adding two more Stars! Nuuuuuuge! Yak City, bitch! And Jultz! Watch out, world. Here come the Oi…

    Meanwhile we have some nice players emerging in Cogliano, Petry. They’re maligned and unappreciated by the org. We also have Gagner, Omark, and Dubnyk. Their stories differ but their destinies to not match their potentials.

    More suffering. More Stars! Nurse! Draisaitl. More suffering.

    McDavid! Injury. Fuck. Klefbom. Fuck. More stars, more injuries. More Fuck.

    Puljujarvi! Another Star! We’re bored with stars. Trade star to New Jersey for defensive anchor.

    The blogging community has been advertising defensive anchors as more nuanced stars. We now have one of those. Or a few of them anyway.

    But unlike any year since 2006 – we have role players and … wait for it … STARS!

  28. G Money says:

    Unicorns, eh?

    Maybe McChia’s experience watching Team North America’s three skill lines run roughshod over an older and more experienced Team Europe convinced them?

  29. G Money says:

    John Chambers,

    This is really a devastatingly accurate recap.

    And we’ll all continue to hope that this:

    John Chambers: Trade star to New Jersey for defensive anchor.

    means “anchor of the defense” and not “anchor for the defense”.

  30. John Chambers says:

    Pouzar:
    Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger)

    Hearing Kris Versteeg is closing in on PTO with Edmonton.

    Cool thing about adding monsters like Maroon and Lucic on LW is that you can add talented smurfs without any concern for ‘team size’ and bullshit like icing “too small a lineup”.

  31. LMHF#1 says:

    One of my absolute favorite things about 2005-06 was watching Pronger amble out onto the ice.

    Every time I thought “holy crap, that guy plays for our team” and laughed, and smiled. Damn why couldn’t that have been worked out…

  32. LMHF#1 says:

    John Chambers: Cool thing about adding monsters like Maroon and Lucic on LW is that you can add talented smurfs without any concern for ‘team size’ and bullshit like icing “too small a lineup”.

    Bring back Linus!

    I’m not joking!

  33. RexLibris says:

    I read those C-L-R lineups with the image of LT shouting “THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS”! in my mind.

    Question LT: you say you’d like McLellan to use the C depth to put Draisaitl on the wing. Though, iirc, yesterday or the day before you had mentioned wanting to keep Draisaitl in the C position in order to have that same C depth.

    So my question is – are you envisioning something like the Couture/Pavelski/Thornton arrangement in this roster or are you suggesting that Draisaitl’s ultimate landing spot will be the wing?

    I’ll hang up now and listen to your response.

  34. RexLibris says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    To riff off an old, tasteless joke, that BAG Line of Brown-Acton-Gazdic is more like a double-bagger.

    God. I’d forgotten about Brown/Acton/Gazdic. The only line those three belong on is a punchline and it is still too soon to laugh at the joke.

  35. G Money says:

    Bruce McCurdy,
    RexLibris,

    Now hang on just a second, misters.

    An NHL GM signed those players.

    An NHL coach played those players.

    Therefore, they must be good players, as I have it on good authority that competence is a prerequisite for those roles.

  36. npanciroli says:

    Versteeg really makes things interesting. I like the rumoured move though.

    Lucic – McDavid – Yakupov
    Pouliot – RNH – Eberle
    Maroon – Draisaitl – Versteeg

    It’s surprising to me though cause I felt like the Oilers had JP as a shoe in. I wonder if they trade Yak if Versteeg makes the team.

    Lucic – McDavid – Versteeg
    Pouliot – RNH – Eberle
    Maroon – Draisaitl – JP

  37. dustrock says:

    RexLibris:
    I read those C-L-R lineups with the image of LT shouting “THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS”! in my mind.

    Question LT: you say you’d like McLellan to use the C depth to put Draisaitl on the wing. Though, iirc, yesterday or the day before you had mentioned wanting to keep Draisaitl in the C position in order to have that same C depth.

    So my question is – are you envisioning something like the Couture/Pavelski/Thornton arrangement in this roster or are you suggesting that Draisaitl’s ultimate landing spot will be the wing?

    I’ll hang up now and listen to your response.

    Not that I want to answer for LT, but San Jose had the depth to stretch out Pavelski playing center on his own line if needed, or to get the 2nd or 3rd line going, or to keep him on Big Joe’s wing. He’s a mainstay with Thornton the last few years but originally he went up and down the lineup as needed.

    I suspect LT is suggesting Draisaitl center the 3rd line but could play with Nuge in 3rd period 5v5 close.

  38. RexLibris says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Little thread-jack here:

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160907-how-curiosity-can-protect-the-mind-from-bias

    Some really good citations linked in here too.

    Apparently, the smarter you are, the harder you find it to disagree with yourself!

    Intriguing article. I wonder about the mix of the traits they list “most education, highest mathematical abilities, and the strongest tendencies to be reflective about their beliefs” in so far as there are those for whom those three traits are not in equal measure.

    This kind of raises the discussion of Socratic vs Academic pursuit of knowledge: those who are highly educated because they consistently pursue a line or lines of questioning and those who are highly educated because they focus solely and intensely on particular areas of study.

    Come to Lowetide for the hockey. Stay for the Pedagogical Theory!

  39. G Money says:

    npanciroli,

    One of the things that has frustrated us dumb Oiler fans the last many years is watching our smart GMs ice shallow rosters that basically made it a no-contest for rookies to make it into the lineup.

    In fact, required rookies to play in the lineup in order to even have a lineup.

    Versteeg adds veteran experience, and when he’s healthy, he has produced consistently at ~0.5 pts/game, which is legitimate second line level for a winger.

    Health is a concern, but by signing him (if they do), they put a true NHL quality roadblock in front of Puljujarvi. And when Versteeg gets hurt (health has been an ongoing concern for him, and will only get worse), *then* they can call up JP and get him his NHL games.

    If we get 40 to 50 games out of Versteeg, that’s likely a brilliant match for Puljujarvi’s development.

    Pure win-win.

  40. npanciroli says:

    G Money,

    Yeah I have said vet RW and 2nd RHD would make this roster great. Agree with everything you said. I’m more surprised they did it to be honest.

  41. RexLibris says:

    G Money:
    Bruce McCurdy,
    RexLibris,

    Now hang on just a second, misters.

    An NHL GM signed those players.

    An NHL coach played those players.

    Therefore, they must be good players, as I have it on good authority that competence is a prerequisite for those roles.

    You know, I first read this as “incompetence is a prerequisite” and to be honest the sentence still made perfect sense.

    Nice use of Logic there, but in this scenario your assumptions are not factually established and therefore the deductions do not hold.

    “NHL GM” is not equivalent with “professional competence” as “professional competence” is not definitively implied by “NHL GM”.

  42. LMHF#1 says:

    RexLibris: You know, I first read this as “incompetence is a prerequisite” and to be honest the sentence still made perfect sense.

    Nice use of Logic there, but in this scenario your assumptions are not factually established and therefore the deductions do not hold.

    “NHL GM” is not equivalent with “professional competence” as “professional competence” is not definitively implied by “NHL GM”.

    Am I missing some sort of double-sarcasm here?

  43. G Money says:

    G Money,

    I had a fellow on Twitter (who appears to be more familiar with Versteeg than am I) tell me that the injury business is overdone.

    And he may be right. My main injury concern with Versteeg is that he’s had knee surgery in 2013, then reinjured it in 2015.

    A recurring knee problem at age 30 should make anyone nervous.

    But it may be overstating it to declare that as being a broad ongoing injury concern, it’s really mostly a knee concern.

  44. dustrock says:

    G Money:
    npanciroli,

    One of the things that has frustrated us dumb Oiler fans the last many years is watching our smart GMs ice shallow rosters that basically made it a no-contest for rookies to make it into the lineup.

    In fact, required rookies to play in the lineup in order to even have a lineup.

    Versteeg adds veteran experience, and when he’s healthy, he has produced consistently at ~0.5 pts/game, which is legitimate second line level for a winger.

    Health is a concern, but by signing him (if they do), they put a true NHL quality roadblock in front of Puljujarvi.And when Versteeg gets hurt (health has been an ongoing concern for him, and will only get worse), *then* they can call up JP and get him his NHL games.

    If we get 40 to 50 games out of Versteeg, that’s likely a brilliant match for Puljujarvi’s development.

    Pure win-win.

    I would actually just prefer a one-year contract, assuming Versteeg is healthy, obviously, but if this turns out, it might be Chiarelli’s best move of the offseason.

  45. G Money says:

    LMHF#1,

    I think so, but I’m worried that double sarcasm, like a double negative, cancels out and leaves no sarcasm.

    That would leave either Rex or me with a lot of egg on one of our faces.

    Good thing I like eggs!

  46. RexLibris says:

    LMHF#1: Am I missing some sort of double-sarcasm here?

    I don’t know. Are you?

    😉

    I thought G was being sarcastic. Then I realized he was but in a different way than I had assumed. And in both cases, it was justified.

    We are a deeply jaded bunch, us Oiler fans.

    Maybe if we ever win another Stanley Cup the fans will just whistle and Bronx cheer at the parade.

  47. RexLibris says:

    G Money:
    LMHF#1,

    I think so, but I’m worried that double sarcasm, like a double negative, cancels out and leaves no sarcasm.

    That would leave either Rex or me with a lot of egg on one of our faces.

    Good thing I like eggs!

    Double sarcasm does not cancel out in the more traditional mathematical sense. Rather it acts in a multiplying sense, so that the sarcasm has, essentially, expanded exponentially.

  48. Aron_S says:

    For those who watched the game last night, thoughts on Drai?

    I really tried to keep an eye on him when he was on the ice, but Team NA is so damn fast it really was dizzying to watch them skate around Europe. I felt like he tried a number of his signature skate to the net down the right wing and backhand pass to the front but there was never anyone there to cash (a la Hall). Saw him do that successfully so many times during the first half of last season, but either the backcheck was too fierce or Europe is too slow for the move.

  49. slopitch says:

    A Versteeg PTO would make a lot of sense. Do it Chai! Id have time for a Dan Boyle PTO or someone like him as well.

  50. Pouzar says:

    Holy Crap, do Versteeg’s WOWY’s from last year look good or am I blind?

  51. rickithebear says:

    Cup winning formula:
    1. HSCA D sys coach
    2. top 10 HSCA save% goalie
    3. 3+ top 60 HSCA D
    4. 2- #1 or 3 lines even G/ production depth.
    5. +ve Goal diff PK/PP

    have any portion of the last 4 get injured or fail the reg season level,
    you are not winning a cup.

    05-06
    1. Tmac – Yes

    2. Rolsson – yes; traded for

    3. Pronger; Staios; Smith; Spacek traded for. all in top 4

    4. Forward Reg season ranks
    Torres 2LW #20 EVG; #100 EVP
    Horcoff 1C #28 EVA; #31 EVP; #58 EVG
    Stoll 2C #41 EVA; #61 EVP
    Hemsky 1RW #49 EVA; #72 EVP
    Smyth 1 LW #63 EVG; #90 EVP
    Dvorak 3 RW #78 EVA
    Pisani 2 RW #95 EVG
    Samsanov 3 LW #95 EVG

    5. ??????

    16-17;
    1. Tmac – yes

    2. Talbot #2 HSCA save% goalie – yes

    3. Larsson; Davidson; KLefbom – yes
    interesting to see:
    fayne NJ fit again
    sekera against 2nd/3rd comp

    4. Fwd rank for Even Play
    G/60; A/60; P/60; P1/60 (primary)
    Mcdavid C
    #1 P/60; #4 P1/60; #5 A/60; #9 G/60 top 10 in all 4
    Eberle RW
    #41 G/60; #54 P1/60; #63 P/60 top 65 in 3
    Draisatl C
    #45 A/60; #86 P/60 top 90 in 2
    Pouliot LW
    #57 P1/60; #59 A/60; #63 P/60; #74 G/60 top 75 in all 4
    Lucic LW
    #57 P1/60; #70 P/60; #74 G/60; #88 A/60 top 90 in all 4
    Maroon LW
    #59 A/60; #96 P1/60; #99 P/60 top 100 in 3
    Kassain RW
    #64 G/60; #105 P1/60 top 105 in 2
    RNH C
    #105 G/60

    5. +ve Goal diff PP/PK

    PK:
    Davidson top 5 PKGA D
    Larsson top 12 PKGA D
    Klefbom top 15 PKGA D

    Hendricks #23 PKGA Fwd
    Pakarinen #38 PKGA Fwd
    Letestu #41 PKGA Fwd

    PP:
    Sekera #30 PPGF/60 D
    Davidson #1 PPG/60 D ( small sample)

    Aboe Avg PPGF/60
    pouliot #27 fwd
    Lucic #27 Fwd
    Mcdavid #40 Fwd
    RNH #83 Fwd
    Letestu #103 Fwd

    Above Avg PPG/60
    Maroon #13 Fwd
    Pouliot #30 Fwd
    Eberle #42 Fwd
    Mcdavid #101 Fwd

    Above Avg PPP/60
    Mcdavid #14 Fwd
    pouliot #66 Fwd
    Letestu 3101

  52. RexLibris says:

    So if it is to be Versteeg on a PTO, then it is on the RW and he essentially acts as a template against which they will measure Yakupov and or perhaps also Puljujarvi?

  53. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar:
    Holy Crap, do Versteeg’s WOWY’s from last year look good or am I blind?

    Maybe his WOWY’s made you blind? Didn’t your parents talk to you about that sort of thing?

  54. Yeti says:

    Versteeg? Christ almighty, just when we were finally building the kind of physically imposing team that can hold its head high in the West, someone starts penciling a new smurf onto the roster. Bet he isn’t even 175lbs in a rain storm. How’s can someone like that compete physically? Two steps forward, one smurf back.
    (Did I do that right, John?)

  55. rickithebear says:

    Veersteeg; RW

    Eberle; Kassain
    Veersteeg
    is slightly better than Eberle and Kasain AT eveA/60.
    Not as good at EVg/60; EVp/60; EVP1/60

    lucic; pouliot; Maroon:
    Veersteeg is not better than these 3 in any ev production numbers.

  56. Oiln5 says:

    D1: Nikitin—Fayne
    D2: Ference—Petry
    D3: Hunt—J. Schultz

    D1: Klefbom—Larsson
    D2: Sekera—Fayne
    D3: Nurse—Davidson

    2 Years ago vs now really stands out to me. Major surgery here, and the wounds are still healing. The on ice results really could surprise alotta cautiously optimistic people. When was the last time we had a defense capable of helping out a goaltenders numbers? Let’s not pretend our forwards were all world during that cup run either.. the number 1 biggest factor was a reliable, stable defense.

    BRING ON THE SEASON ALREADY

  57. Showerhead says:

    Pouzar: WOWY

    I’ve been out of the game for a while. Is there anyone who can explain WOWY’s to me* in a way that leaves me comfortable they account for context?

    *I understand the concept of WOWY but I worry (without evidence, mind, but I’m talking about FEELINGS here) that it’s easy to get fooled by a guy who plays with good players in a soft-opp role, crushes it, then keeps his soft-opp while the good players get fed to the dogs in a power-vs-power context.

    Set my mind at ease?

  58. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Love the try-out, hope if he’s signed it’s to push Pulju out of the lineup and not Yak. Really wanted one of Versteeg or Boyes, think this could be a critical piece. If Brossoit is who we hope he is (an average back-up) and Chia’s able to get that 2RD around Boychuk-Leddy time, I’ll call playoffs and be disappointed otherwise.

  59. John Chambers says:

    Yeti,

    Excellent vitriol. Something about the too fine grammar undermines the sincerity.

  60. Acumen says:

    Is there anyone more Pisani than Versteeg? Honestly, he would be the perfect final piece to the forward corps.

    Get him in, sign him up, and get that last RHD, Stan Weirs and playoff pushes. Very happy about this PTO news

  61. stush18 says:

    If I’m a betting man

    Vertseeg makes the team, JP is sent down. Yak is moved at deadline

  62. Drew says:

    John Chambers: Cool thing about adding monsters like Maroon and Lucic on LW is that you can add talented smurfs without any concern for ‘team size’ and bullshit like icing “too small a lineup”.

    yes!

  63. John Chambers says:

    I’d guess that the opportunity to play with McDavid, or at the very least a C with offensive chops is what elevated Edmonton on what were likely several PTO offers.

    The McDavid factor. Again.

  64. prairieschooner says:

    Glad to see everything falling somewhat into place but my big concern is Klefbom what news do we have on him?

  65. vinotintazo says:

    does versteeg play the PK?

  66. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Acumen,

    his play style kind of reminds me of Perron

    does Versteeg PK? if he signs that solves the left half wall on PP2 in my eyes, seems to have a pretty good one-timer there

  67. G Money says:

    Showerhead,

    You are correct.

    WOWYs, which are really very simple in that they look at how any pair of players look together and apart, provide invaluable contextual information.

    But they can be fooled (i.e. misleading) when you are using them on a pair of players that play in radically different circumstances when apart.

    The broader the set of WOWYs you can look at for a player, generally the less that becomes an issue (like WoodGuy’s wall of WOWYs for Pakarinen the other day).

    I really really like Micah Blake McCurdy’s WOWY viz (e.g. here is Pakarinen http://hockeyviz.com/img/player/wowy/1516/EDM/wowy-1516-EDM-pakarii91-shots.png), because the pattern of the blue/red/black can provide a crystal clear picture of the effect a player has on his teammates in a way that a single WOWY cannot.

  68. Drew says:

    stush18:
    If I’m a betting man

    Vertseeg makes the team, JP is sent down. Yak is moved at deadline

    hmmmmm i don’t understand how 1 in equals 2 out?

  69. vinotintazo says:

    Drew: hmmmmm i don’t understand how 1 in equals 2 out?

    probably means once yak is traded, PJ is recalled from the AHL.

  70. anjinsan says:

    One thing jumps out when looking at the roster over time after 2006 — the team deteriorated from NHL players not wanting to come to Edmonton.

  71. kinger_OIL says:

    anjinsan:
    One thing jumps out when looking at the roster over time after 2006 — the team deteriorated from NHL players not wanting to come to Edmonton.

    Versteeg is a home town boy so we get that discount.

  72. LadiesloveSmid says:

    vinotintazo: probably means once yak is traded, PJ is recalled from the AHL.

    is PJ, JP’s new nickname or are people getting autocorrected? seen it more than once today

  73. ChiliChunk says:

    prairieschooner:
    Glad to see everything falling somewhat into place but my big concern is Klefbom what news do we have on him?

    Bob StaufferVerified account
    ‏@Bob_Stauffer
    FYI…Lots of questions about Oscar Klefbom’s health. Matt Hendricks said on @OilersNow that Klefbom “looked great” on the ice today

  74. dustrock says:

    prairieschooner:
    Glad to see everything falling somewhat into place but my big concern is Klefbom what news do we have on him?

    Just a report from another Oiler (Hendricks?) who said he was skating with Klefbom and he looked great.

  75. vinotintazo says:

    LadiesloveSmid: is PJ, JP’s new nickname or are people getting autocorrected? seen it more than once today

    typo for me.

  76. Oiln5 says:

    I think in a way Yak’s shooting % has been tied directly to his faith in the team. When you feel like one mistake might end up in the back of your net, resulting in a benching, you tighten up your stick and try to make the perfect play every-time, thus overthinking every little thing.

    Watch this d-core provide a calming effect throughout the lineup. I’d bet Yak’s shooting percentage finds a happy medium this year.

  77. russ99 says:

    ChiliChunk: Bob StaufferVerified account
    ‏@Bob_Stauffer
    FYI…Lots of questions about Oscar Klefbom’s health. Matt Hendricks said on @OilersNow that Klefbom “looked great” on the ice today

    That’s great news, but the real test of the new equipment to prevent last year’s leg problem will be heavy use day after day.

    Adding Versteeg would be good, if only to give us options and competition. We need one of those at RD and C as well.

  78. Caramel Batman says:

    russ99: That’s great news, but the real test of the new equipment to prevent last year’s leg problem will be heavy use day after day.

    Adding Versteeg would be good, if only to give us options and competition. We need one of those at RD as well.

    Completely agree.

  79. khildahl says:

    I forgot how much I’ve (probably intentionally) forgotten about the last ten years. Some absolutely baffling decisions.

    Pitkanen for Cole, Cole for O’Sullivan, the string of fourth lines that shall not be named, pretty much every single thing Pat Quinn said and/or did, Dallas Eakins…

    Is there any explanation other than obstinance for my continuing to cheer for this team?

  80. Doug McLachlan says:

    Extending the PTO for Versteeg is solid. Hope he impresses enough to get offered a 1yr deal.

    A PTO does not make a player “your” property, however. Here the goal is pretty clear, get Versteeg here, see if the knee is up to the task and offer a contract to bring a veteran presence to the right side. Assuming he doesn’t find a more attractive offer somewhere else, he’s an Oiler. Great.

    That said, the PTOs offered, apparently, to Richards and Gryba seem less secure from both the player side and the team side. Richards was someone Chia, apparently, had his eve on at last-year’s draft before the “border” incident. Not sure that Chia is as impressed with what Richards brings and this may just be a training camp vet to hold the fort while RNH, Drai and McD settle back in.

    Gryba seems yet a third case, a plan B or plan C. Maybe Chia thinks there is enough right-side depth already in camp (why would you think such a thing is beyond me, but he says he’s satisfied) yet if that proves optimistic, here’s a known commodity already in camp doing the drills. Fine, one year min contract. Or maybe Chia still holds out hope that something shakes loose either through trade or on the waiver wire that brings us closer to that LT balance picture. If so, that becomes the play but if it doesn’t materialize – Gryba is still there.

    The one thing that still doesn’t mesh for me is why we have written off James Wisniewski as an option. Yes, he’s agreed to a PTO in Tampa but he is still a UFA. He’s clearly fishing for a longer contract than anyone wants to offer him but he should still be on the Oilers’ radar. Tampa needs to sign Kucherov, Nesterov and account for Drouin’s bonuses. They simply don’t have the cash to account for any sizable offer to the Wiz. Unless there is a hockey reason not to pursue him, and there may be, I don’t understand why this blog is acting like he’s unobtainable.

  81. Drew says:

    vinotintazo: probably means once yak is traded, PJ is recalled from the AHL.

    I believe the WoodMoney analytics suggest that Iro Pak is below replacement, should not this mean he sits?

  82. stush18 says:

    vinotintazo: probably means once yak is traded, PJ is recalled from the AHL.

    Correct

    Drew: I believe the WoodMoney analytics suggest that Iro Pak is below replacement, should not this mean he sits?

    If versteeg signs, it means kassian on the fourth and pak as an extra. Or slepy or beck or pitlick.

    Personally I kinda thought we had enough depth at rw, although a lot of questions.

  83. Ryan says:

    ChiliChunk: Bob StaufferVerified account
    ‏@Bob_Stauffer
    FYI…Lots of questions about Oscar Klefbom’s health. Matt Hendricks said on @OilersNow that Klefbom “looked great” on the ice today

    That was yesterday.

    Even Bob chuckled when some texted in a question asking what that actually meant since Klefbomb is a good looking guy.

  84. vinotintazo says:

    Drew: I believe the WoodMoney analytics suggest that Iro Pak is below replacement, should not this mean he sits?

    yeah I agree, if Versteeg is signed, the top 4 RWs will be Ebs,Versteeg,Yak,Kassian.

    Pakarinen either 13 FWD or AHL.

  85. Drew says:

    stush18: Correct

    If versteeg signs, it means kassian on the fourth and pak as an extra. Or slepy or beck or pitlick.

    Personally I kinda thought we had enough depth at rw, although a lot of questions.

    how about

    Eberle
    Yak
    Versteeg
    Kassian

    as a right side and have Condors as call ups?

  86. stush18 says:

    Drew: how about

    Eberle
    Yak
    Versteeg
    Kassian

    as a right side and have Condors as call ups?

    Yup that look good to me, as long as versteeg is healthy.

    My issue is we’re taking away ice time at the AHL again. Pitlick, beck, pak, salinen probably don’t need any more AHL seasoning. Playing them is blocking someone like slepyshev.

  87. OilClog says:

    Versteeg is a Legit NHL player.

    There was a time not long ago this PTO offer would be a 4yr 12mil contract.

    Team is going to be good.

  88. Drew says:

    stush18: Yup that look good to me, as long as versteeg is healthy.

    My issue is we’re taking away ice time at the AHL again. Pitlick, beck, pak, salinen probably don’t need any more AHL seasoning. Playing them is blocking someone like slepyshev.

    I am suggesting that an AHLer has to come and be better than someone who has played in the NHL and if not, get at bats in the A.

  89. jimmers2 says:

    Drew,

    Yes! And its near-predecessor Marchant-Moreau-Grier.

    I’d love to have the pieces to ice a line similar now.

  90. Pouzar says:

    OilClog:
    Versteeg is a Legit NHL player.

    There was a time not long ago this PTO offer would be a 4yr 12mil contract.

    Team is going to be good.

    Agreed.

    77 gms played, 15 goals, excellent possession stats.
    What’s not to like?

  91. OF17 says:

    Pouzar: Agreed.

    77 gms played, 15 goals, excellent possession stats.
    What’s not to like?

    Right hand shot too, which gives more PP options.

  92. krakman says:

    I kind of don’t understand why they wouldn’t just sign Versteeg on a one year? What would be the downside

  93. RexLibris says:

    The issue I would have in pushing Kassian down to the 4th line is, iirc, he doesn’t fare well in those roles wrt the Danger Fenwick (Woodmoney) ranking as it seems to suggest that he is a skilled player who can play with skill but not one who can necessarily play without.

    *note – checked on this and Kassian had 36% of his TOI against elite with a 1.1 DanFen advantage. Compare that with 32% of his TOI against middle tier with a -2.3 DanFen disadvantage and 32% TOI against bottom tier with an ugly -11 DanFen disadvantage. He needs to play higher up in the order rather than lower down. I believe this is what sunk him both in Buffalo and Vancouver – when he struggled he was punished with less ice time which only made his limited (but effective) skill set even less useful. It could be he is a player, not unlike some others we discuss here frequently, who cannot earn their way up the lineup but must be placed and paired with those best able to help them achieve.

    Maroon has a more well-rounded set of skills, in my opinion, albeit ones with perhaps a lower overall ceiling than Kassian and Maroon can, more effectively again in my opinion, play up and down the lineup.

  94. Truth says:

    Versteeg would be a great PTO candidate. He should light a fire under Yak’s behind and show Puljujarvi he will have to work to make the opening night roster. Yak apparently wants out because he thinks he hasn’t been given a fair shot with a good center. If he can’t beat out a player that couldn’t land an NHL contract prior to camp then I think he and Larionov will have to re-think their position in the hockey world.

    A bit off topic, but important nonetheless. Has it been announced how much a draught beer will cost at the new rink? Sold the first born to pay for season tickets, might have to throw in the second to be able to have a beer while there.

  95. Pouzar says:

    1. I would like to know the number times a player has signed a contract from a PTO?
    2. Of those, how many were signed contracts from other teams?

    EDIT: Ask and I shall receive. From last year.

    http://thehockeywriters.com/the-hockey-writers-2015-pto-tracker/

  96. Drew says:

    RexLibris:
    The issue I would have in pushing Kassian down to the 4th line is, iirc, he doesn’t fare well in those roles wrt the Danger Fenwick (Woodmoney) ranking as it seems to suggest that he is a skilled player who can play with skill but not one who can necessarily play without.

    *note – checked on this and Kassian had 36% of his TOI against elite with a 1.1 DanFen advantage. Compare that with 32% of his TOI against middle tier with a -2.3 DanFen disadvantage and 32% TOI against bottom tier with an ugly -11 DanFen disadvantage. He needs to play higher up in the order rather than lower down. I believe this is what sunk him both in Buffalo and Vancouver – when he struggled he was punished with less ice time which only made his limited (but effective) skill set even less useful. It could be he is a player, not unlike some others we discuss here frequently, who cannot earn their way up the lineup but must be placed and paired with those best able to help them achieve.

    Maroon has a more well-rounded set of skills, in my opinion, albeit ones with perhaps a lower overall ceiling than Kassian and Maroon can, more effectively again in my opinion, play up and down the lineup.

    is this because of Quality of Team mates dragging his results down?

  97. stush18 says:

    Drew: I am suggesting that an AHLer has to come and be better than someone who has played in the NHL and if not, get at bats in the A.

    Agreed. But at their age, they likely aren’t going to improve all that much by more AHL ice time, and they will block others from ice time.

    Also I don’t think the difference between AHL first liners and NHL fourth liners is all that different. All a matter of chance imo

  98. stevezie says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Jethro Tull:
    Little

    I recently heard an interview with a cult-deprogrammer who felt smart people were easier to hypnotize (better concentration) and harder to deprogram (too good at justifying seemingly bad positions).

  99. stevezie says:

    Truth,

    Flasks. Can’t beat ’em

  100. Pouzar says:

    Islanders

    Steve Bernier, RW, 30
    Previous Team: New Jersey Devils
    67 games, 16 goals, 16 assists, 1.6% CF%Rel (6.1% ZSO%Rel)

    RESULT: signed a one-year contract

    Man 16 goals? That’s good value.

  101. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar: Agreed.

    77 gms played, 15 goals, excellent possession stats.
    What’s not to like?

    Versteeg is today’s Ray Whitney. Stempniak is another in the long line of wingers-for-hire who do one thing quite well but cannot be expected to do too much more.

    The trick is in leveraging that one asset to it’s full extent and recognizing the inherent limitations, to sell that asset if the opportunity/need arises.

  102. Pouzar says:

    So basically, if a PTO player doesn’t sign with that team, he is released. No examples of a player signing on with another NHL team last year.

  103. Lowetide says:

    Darren Dreger Verified account ‏@DarrenDreger 11m11 minutes ago

    Kris Versteeg has officially signed PRO with the Oilers
    51 retweets 81 likes

  104. Drew says:

    Lowetide:
    Darren Dreger Verified account ‏@DarrenDreger 11m11 minutes ago

    Kris Versteeg has officially signed PRO with the Oilers
    51 retweets 81 likes

    is that different than a PTO 🙂

  105. RexLibris says:

    Drew: is this because of Quality of Team mates dragging his results down?

    Not sure. I don’t have the full range of data in front of me to try and work that out, but at first blush I believe that to be the case. Having watched him play for part of last season I noticed that Kassian was one who could finish a play but was not necessarily one who could start it. Whereas some forwards can start a play with work along the defensive walls, a short pass out, then proceed up ice to support and eventually contribute to a scoring chance for, Kassian looked more like one who could skate up ice and support or eventually cash, but not one who could consistently manage the first part of that series.

    It is entirely possible, because of the amount of time that has passed since seeing him and the limited number of games in which I viewed, that this is wrong, though, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

  106. JustWatt says:

    kinger_OIL,

    Lethbridge is NOT Oilers territory. I know, I lived in that area during high school. Unless he was in the minority (like myself).

  107. RexLibris says:

    Drew: is that different than a PTO

    Yes. It means when the boys line up for lunch alphabetically Versteeg is allowed to jump ahead two spots.

  108. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Pouzar:
    So basically, if a PTO player doesn’t sign with that team, he is released. No examples of a player signing on with another NHL team last year.

    gotta think this year could be different with the world cup going on

    say Hossa goes down and then CHI desperately wants a new RW, more injury risk than pre season

  109. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    JustWatt:
    kinger_OIL,

    Lethbridge is NOT Oilers territory. I know, I lived in that area during high school. Unless he was in the minority (like myself).

    I’ve lived in Lethbridge since 95′ off and on, and for the last 5 years. I’d say it’s about a 50/50 split (not counting those who cheer for non-Alberta teams).

  110. blainer says:

    Really like this move.

    Finally starting to get some depth. Insurance both for Yak and for JP. We are finally heading into a season with LESS hope and more of a solid team

    This makes for EXCELLENT competition at camp.

    Well done Chia… don’t stop there..

  111. G Money says:

    Pouzar:
    http://flamesnation.ca/2016/9/6/calgary-should-offer-kris-versteeg-a-pto

    Now if we can just really piss those Calgary guys off and sign Nakladal!

  112. blainer says:

    Pouzar:
    http://flamesnation.ca/2016/9/6/calgary-should-offer-kris-versteeg-a-pto

    You are really on the ball today sir.. keep it coming ..

  113. PokeCheck says:

    Pouzar:
    1. I would like to know the number times a player has signed a contract from a PTO?
    2. Of those, how many were signed contracts from other teams?

    EDIT: Ask and I shall receive. From last year.

    http://thehockeywriters.com/the-hockey-writers-2015-pto-tracker/

    Interesting to see that Jonas Gustavsson made Boston from a PTO last year and that Chiarelli passed him over (when he was available all summer) to go with Nilsson.

  114. Showerhead says:

    G Money:
    Showerhead,

    You are correct.

    WOWYs, which are really very simple in that they look at how any pair of players look together and apart, provide invaluable contextual information.

    But they can be fooled (i.e. misleading) when you are using them on a pair of players that play in radically different circumstances when apart.

    The broader the set of WOWYs you can look at for a player, generally the less that becomes an issue (like WoodGuy’s wall of WOWYs for Pakarinen the other day).

    I really really like Micah Blake McCurdy’s WOWY viz (e.g. here is Pakarinen http://hockeyviz.com/img/player/wowy/1516/EDM/wowy-1516-EDM-pakarii91-shots.png), because the pattern of the blue/red/black can provide a crystal clear picture of the effect a player has on his teammates in a way that a single WOWY cannot.

    Thanks for this, G Money. With Pakarinen, things look awfully clear. I don’t expect the results will be so crystal for every player but damn, in his case that’s compelling.

    Time to click around hockeyviz.com and see what else I can dig up.

  115. Pouzar says:

    G Money: Now if we can just really piss those Calgary guys off and sign Nakladal!

    That would be frickin awesome!

    blainer: You are really on the ball today sir.. keep it coming ..

    Thanks fine sir!

  116. Caramel Batman says:

    First good news of the offseason.

    His judgement is suspect, but at least Chiarelli is trying.

  117. JustWatt says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!,

    Huh. That’s the same time frame as me and it wasn’t even close among the people I ever met. I was born and raised in Edmonton first and figured that Calgary’s proximity was why I was always in the minority. Must have just run in different circles.

  118. Water Fire says:

    I am surprised in a good way if they are looking at skill before other things. Now if they can get a guy who can pass and move for 3RD

  119. G Money says:

    JustWatt,

    The few people I know from Lethbridge are all Flames fans. From that, I would have thought the same thing as you, that the proximity would make for a lot of Flamers support.

    Goes to show you though, whether yours or McMoney’s viewpoint is closer to reality, using ‘your own circle’ as a sample produces a biased estimate that cannot be relied on!

    Wonder if there are any Lethbridge “favourite NHL team” surveys out there …

    Showerhead,

    *two thumbs up*

  120. stevezie says:

    Caramel Batman,

    They did the thing they would have been dumb not to do.

    “Progress”.

  121. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    JustWatt:
    Ca$h-McMoney!,

    Huh. That’s the same time frame as me and it wasn’t even close among the people I ever met. I was born and raised in Edmonton first and figured that Calgary’s proximity was why I was always in the minority. Must have just run in different circles.

    I actually would have said it was weighted way more heavily towards the Oilers before the Flames made their cup run (granted I was in Junior High/High School at the time). My Junior High vice principle was the laughing stock of the school (in a good way) because he was a hardcore flames fan and virtually none of the kids cheered for them.

    At this point in my life I have like 6 friends, one of whom is my brother, so realistically we’re not talking about a large enough sample size to really count.

  122. Caramel Batman says:

    stevezie:
    Caramel Batman,

    They did the thing they would have been dumb not to do.

    “Progress”.

    Sad, but true.

  123. godot10 says:

    krakman:
    I kind of don’t understand why they wouldn’t just sign Versteeg on a one year? What would be the downside

    The Oilers have a high waiver claim priority. Signing Versteeg would use up one of the few remaining contracts the Oilers have available.

    And if one signs him, and he sucks, and he gets sent to the AHL, where he would block prospects from ice time.

    You sign players like this only when they make the team.

    And well, a million bucks is a million bucks. With the loonie at 77 cents, one million US is now real money, if it is sitting in Bakersfield.

  124. Hilmar says:

    Intriguing how the potential roster is shaping up. I know that RW and RD has been deemed the biggest issue approaching the season. I think there is an argument to be made that RW is now (signing assumed of course) one of the positions with most depth looking at the medium term.

    Say for argument’s sake that Eberle is a de facto 1RW and that Versteeg can hold his own as a 2RW for 55-65 games. The players fighting for the remaining spots are all on the high potential with a level of uncertainty to their game. Isn’t that pretty much exactly what you want entering training camp?

    If Yak has a bounce back year with Draisaitl on the score board, that could be a huge boost for the upcoming season, regardless of what the long term plans are for Yak. The history and the potential is there, not sure about the odds.

    Can PoolYouYeahRV (Yes, that is how you should pronounce it) break into the roster despite the competition? He was after all regarded higher than Laine at one point and has performed better in certain small sample sizes, who knows who will have the best rookie season? Regardless, he would be the perfect prospect to send down to develop and wait for the inevitable injuries.

    Can Kassian push for a spot higher up? He did have some success with the Sedin’s after all. Last year was probably tough for him even if he seemed to be in a good place mentally all things considered. Can he surprise us coming into the season looking like a photoshopped before/after ad picture compared to last season?

    What about Slepyshev? Might be a long shot to beat the other players on the roster, but I remember people being ecstatic over his one slap-shot in the preseason last year, can he double down and have a break out season?

    All in some regard long shots but with real potential and for once we actually seem to have the depth to cover for some of that risk. How big are the odds for at least one out of these four to surprise us? You do know that good surprises happen to other teams from time to time, right? Are we conditioned to always expect the worst?

    I say bring on some of the optimism!

    Am i crazy?

  125. godot10 says:

    Wisdom begins with humility. A “smart” person isn’t really smart unless they are aware of or can put a “boundary” around their knowledge.

  126. stevezie says:

    godot10,

    Totally true, but i would add it is just as important to be aware of your strengths as your weaknesses.

    For example, good players are famously not guarenteed to be good coaches because they aren’t always aware how much harder things are for everyone else.

    No shame in a smart person knowing he or she is smart.

  127. OilHub says:

    Anyone have a link for the game?
    Thanks

  128. hunter1909 says:

    stevezie: For example, good players are famously not guarenteed to be good coaches because they aren’t always aware how much harder things are for everyone else.

    Believe it or not, I used to be considered a leading light in a certain discipline. High enough to be talked about in the top rungs of the particular discipline I was in and to tell you the truth I never had any patience for those who weren’t up to my ridiculous(yet neccessary) standards.

    It’s not that it’s any harder, by the way. Everyone with normal physical/mental capacity can do what I did. It’s more the fact that lesser lights haven’t put in the effort.

    Please take this as you like, but that’s exactly the way it is.

    PS: The most impressive thing I’ve seen from McDavid is that clip where he’s balancing on a fulcrum while stickhandling. It simply blows my mind. He’s a genius.

  129. hunter1909 says:

    godot10:
    Wisdom begins with humility. A “smart” person isn’t really smart unless they are aware of or can put a “boundary” around their knowledge.

    I have forgotten more about the English language than most will ever know and I honestly haven’t a clue what your words are supposed to mean. How do you put a “boundary” about your knowledge? Why not just make it plain English like Dirty Harry:

    “A man needs to know his limitations”?.

    High faluting talk is just that, windbagville.

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