WASTE NOT, WANT NOT

Earlier today, I had an exchange with a reader/listener about Edmonton’s poor drafting record going back to last decade and into this one. While we can agree the drafting was poor, the Oilers also wasted an incredible amount of useful talent. As an example, here is my top 20 from June 2007 and how they turned out:

  1. Sam Gagner: He had a strong rookie year, but could not establish himself as a skill center. He was dealt for Teddy Purcell after signing an albatross contract and is currently trying to reinvent himself.
  2. Slava Trukhno: Clearly a case of me overrating him, he had three good-not great AHL seasons and then began his pro hockey journey (which continues to this day).
  3. Andrew Cogliano. Asiaoil loved him from the start, and the Oilers merely liked him. Cogliano turned into a useful player first year pro and has continued to be exactly that player over several years now. Traded for the pick that turned into Marco Roy (who will attend Canucks camp this fall).
  4. Tom Gilbert. He turned into an effective two-way defender for the Oilers, but the club always wanted him to be Nick Schultz—so they traded Gilbert for the real model. It was not a fair deal.
  5. Rob Schremp. Junior phenom scored at will on London power play but found the going tough in pro. He was lost on waivers and did make the NHL for 114 games. Still pushing.
  6. Taylor Chorney. He was a small, fast defenseman and he couldn’t find the range with an addled defensive group in Edmonton. He played 55 NHL games last season, so did find a way to use his skills in the show.
  7. Devan Dubnyk. He survived everything but the swarm. Oilers dealt him at his lowest value and received Matt Hendricks in return. Dubnyk is a bona fide NHL starter.
  8. Ryan O’Marra. Injuries at a big hole in his career.
  9. Alex Plante. Injuries at a big hole in his career.
  10. Jozef Hrabel. I called him the Pencil because he was so rail thin and he never did make the NHL, but Hrabal has been a regular in the Czech league for some time and remains there.
  11. Denis Grebeshkov. He had some interesting moments before Edmonton traded him for a second-round pick that turned into Curtis Hamilton.
  12. JF Jacques: Another player impacted by injuries, JFJ played in 166 NHL games before calling it a day and heading internationally. Last season in Austria.
  13. Riley Nash: Redline liked him a ton, had him as a first rounder. He wouldn’t sign with Edmonton (Rieder syndrome) and ended up being dealt for the pick that turned in Martin Marincin.
  14. Jeff Petry: A dandy draft pick as it turned out, Petry patrolled the blue effectively in Edmonton for five seasons, but the Oilers didn’t like him enough to pay him. Dealt for a second (that was used in the Talbot deal) and a four (Caleb Jones).
  15. Kyle Brodziak: He never had top end skills but was a fine two-way prospect. Edmonton dealt him before he could establish himself (175 NHL games in Edmonton) with management. He has now played 697 games and is still going strong. Edmonton got two draft picks that went nowhere for Brodziak and the pick that turned into Darcy Kuemper. You cannot make this stuff up.
  16. Theo Peckham: He looked like a player, thundering hitter and mobile. I am inclined to pass on blaming the team for this career path.
  17. Cody Wild: He was a distant bell in the beginning and he was a distant bell in the end.
  18. Mathieu Roy: Watching him gave me vertigo.
  19. Milan Kytnar: Effective two-way center at lower levels, he made the NHL for one game. The beginning of a string of Milan’s acquired by the team.
  20. Bryan Young: Fringe prospect.

Original list is here. The talent on this list is lower than the No. 1 overall years, but there is quality here. Edmonton did not get 100 cents on the dollar in my opinion. Thoughts? When we talk about where the Oilers are now, it is absolutely appropriate to bring up the 2007 draft (three first-round picks). We should also remember the terrible talent assessment that included deciding Jeff Petry was not worth a long-term deal, trading Andrew Cogliano for nothing, and sending Kyle Brodziak away with a pick that turned out better than the picks acquired.

It was the worst of times and it was the worst of times.

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31 Responses to "WASTE NOT, WANT NOT"

  1. Woodguy says:

    That’s amazing.

    Everyone on that list either washed out or was pissed away.

  2. Richard S.S. says:

    “It was the worst of times and it was the worst of times.”

    It was the start of a long hard journey from The Gretzky Sale to The McDavid Draft.

  3. hunter1909 says:

    “Waste Not Want Not” is particularly apt for me this week – having been handed a nearly impossible financial challenge that’s served to focus my mind to the point where everything in my life now has suddenly got an amorphous value attached to it.

    I’m hoping the young NA team meets Canada – since that’s when I’ll finaly understand what kind of a hockey fan I currently am. Right now I prefer to watch Oilers so its team NA.

    WOW!! Nugent Hopkins looking greater than he’s looked – ever? Disraitl looking I’m not 100% but I have absolute faith he’s going to become an absolute star centreman…then…. wtf McDavid!!

    Methinks OIlers are set down the middle, no?

  4. hunter1909 says:

    Richard S.S.: It was the start of a long hard journey from The Gretzky Sale to The McDavid Draft.

    Watching Messier and the kid line in 1990 was a beautiful moment in this jaded fan’s precarious existence.

  5. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909:

    Methinks OIlers are set down the middle, no?

    Until they trade Leon for Jimmy Howard.

  6. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide: Until they trade Leon for Jimmy Howard.

    I was thinking more Leon for Ben Bishop myself. Which would go well with this article as the people in charge of the debacle couldn’t understand why a 2nd and Ryan jones wasn’t enough and we will have come full circle. Pressure is going to be on to win in the new expensive arena. If goaltending falters Chia is going to overpay, like the Vikings just did when Teddy Bridgewater went down

  7. hunter1909 says:

    leadfarmer: Pressure is going to be on to win in the new expensive arena.

    Believe it or not, this is a good thing.

  8. delooper says:

    Went to the giants-royals game this afternoon. Wow did Tyler Benson stink out that game. Pretty much single-handed threw the game away. Three bad penalties, one to nullify a 2-minute 5-on-3.

    I hope he’s a lot better than that showing. Didn’t skate, didn’t hit. He was OK on the PK. That was about the only thing he didn’t stink on.

  9. leadfarmer says:

    hunter1909: Believe it or not, this is a good thing.

    Yes but overpaying to fix holes you should have fixed during the summer is not. Like paying a first and a mid round pick for Bradford who lives on IR when the Vikings should have realized they have a subpar starter in Bridgewater to begin with and should have had a capable backup in the first place.

    Now Talbot is a decent goalie, but he did falter at the start of last season and Fasth took the pressure off him for a while. He will not have that luxury this year. Remember what happened to the last Oilers goalie that became a father around this time and Talbot is expecting twins.

  10. Mr DeBakey says:

    “While we can agree the drafting was poor, the Oilers also wasted an incredible amount of useful talent.”

    The two names that popped into my head when I read this sentence,
    Curtis Glencross & Jan Hejda.

    Your list is pretty bad too.

  11. Richard S.S. says:

    Sam Gagner nets the Oilers: Matthew Cairns (D) in 2016 Draft. Matt Hendricks turned into a valued Oiler and a decent player. (There may be more.) The Oilers’ biggest problem was hiring former players to run their Club. That quickly turned the Oilers into nothing.

    Dwelling on the past is ulcer-generating and a waste of time. History matters, just don’t repeat it all. The McDavid Draft Lottery win changed Edmonton’s Universe forever. Worry about what happens next.

  12. sliderule says:

    The oilers have had poor management since Sather left and they handed it to Lowe.

    When you have bad management you have your head scout out in the boonies and make draft picks based on nepotism and pleasing friends.

    When you have bad management you hire employees who value grit to the point that you give away players like Cogliano and Petry for not having enough of same.

    When you have bad management you do not have the “grit and gumption ” to tell the boss that he cannot draft a number one overall because his kids like playing video games with him.

    When you have bad management you don’t fire anyone you just give them a new job description .

    Unfortunately for the oilers a lot of the same bad management are still in Kingsway.

  13. theDjdj says:

    Books will be written on how and why the Oilers were so poor for such a period. A cautionary tale.

    The organisation has to be the luckiest franchise in North America. Located in a city that would sooner go broke and mad than give up on their hockey team. I’m not a spiritual man but McDavid is evidence that sometimes the universe will find a way to rain on the barren plain.

  14. Mr DeBakey says:

    So, the Eskimos’ Right Corner
    Does he ever make a play?
    Does he ever know when the ball is in the air?

    They should rename the CFL, Incorporate the words Video and Review into the new name.

  15. Water Fire says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    So, the Eskimos’ Right Corner
    Does he ever make a play?
    Does he ever know when the ball is in the air?

    They should rename the CFL, Incorporate the words Video and Review into the new name.

    If they don’t find a secondary it can’t happen. I’m hoping all the boys come home.

  16. kinger_OIL says:

    – Sorry I call B.S. on this narrative. LT you might be banning me for my heresey: LT says: “the Oilers also wasted an incredible amount of useful talent” Not so useful IMO:

    – Sam Gagner: he just was not as good as some here thought. Maybe good 3C, but not Drai good 3C if you know what I mean. I think Arizona and Philly had him pegged for what he is

    – Slava Trukhno: not an NHL’er, as you said

    – Andrew Cogliano: he was effective here as he was elsewhere: sure we could use a 20 goal scorer, but his most points scored was with the Oil. Effective to be sure, we had him pegged

    – Tom Gilbert: A bottom-pairing D in Florida, Montreal and Minny.

    – Taylor Chorney: at 29 he played 55 games for Washington: won’t play 55 more rest of career

    – Rob Schremp: not an NHL’er. Good for him for playing in Europe so long

    – Devan Dubnyk: goalies = voodoo, bounced around, 30, lightening in bottle, best behind him

    – Ryan O’Marra, Alex Plante, JF Jacques, Theo Peckham, Cody Wild, Mathieu Roy, Milan Kytnar, Bryan Young: That’s 8 + 2 that weren’t NHL’er: 50%

    – Denis Grebeshkov: come on! he didn’t play in NHL elswehere: the Kings and NYI punted him before he joined our putrid team. He served his purpose No one wanted him after

    – Kyle Brodziak: It’s been said that his wake-up call was after trade: he reinvented himself, still not physical. Sometimes players need to get traded (see Tyler Seguin)

    – Jeff Petry: best to last. Sure, MacT is a loser who “challenged him” but there is only one Jeff Petry on this list.

    – So with all due respect, of this 20: Jeff Petry is the only one who got away.

    – Ken Dryden would have sucked on the roster DD was goalering, and they are voodoo.

    – Sam Ganger was just not that good: slow, small, no shot, not physical: Great 3C on a good team

    – Cogs was pegged, and he did the same

    – Anyway, that’s my opinion: this wasn’t the early Expo’s who gave away their talent to other teams. Very little NHL talent on this. Sure a few have had low-impact careers elsewhere, and Petry is on MacT, but:

    CONNER MCDAVID BABY!!!!!!

  17. JJS says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – Sorry I call B.S. on this narrative.LT you might be banning me for my heresey:LT says: “the Oilers also wasted an incredible amount of useful talent”Not so useful IMO:

    – Sam Gagner: he just was not as good as some here thought.Maybe good 3C, but not Drai good 3C if you know what I mean.I think Arizona and Philly had him pegged for what he is

    – Slava Trukhno: not an NHL’er, as you said

    – Andrew Cogliano: he was effective here as he was elsewhere: sure we could use a 20 goal scorer, but his most points scored was with the Oil.Effective to be sure, we had him pegged

    – Tom Gilbert: A bottom-pairing D in Florida, Montreal and Minny.

    – Taylor Chorney: at 29 he played 55 games for Washington: won’t play 55 more rest of career

    – Rob Schremp: not an NHL’er.Good for him for playing in Europe so long

    – Devan Dubnyk: goalies = voodoo, bounced around, 30, lightening in bottle, best behind him

    – Ryan O’Marra, Alex Plante, JF Jacques, Theo Peckham, Cody Wild, Mathieu Roy, Milan Kytnar, Bryan Young: That’s 8 + 2 that weren’t NHL’er: 50%

    – Denis Grebeshkov: come on! he didn’t play in NHL elswehere: the Kings and NYI punted him before he joined our putrid team.He served his purpose No one wanted him after

    – Kyle Brodziak: It’s been said that his wake-up call was after trade: he reinvented himself, still not physical.Sometimes players need to get traded (see Tyler Seguin)

    – Jeff Petry: best to last.Sure, MacT is a loser who “challenged him”but there is only one Jeff Petry on this list.

    – So with all due respect, of this 20: Jeff Petry is the only one who got away.

    – Ken Dryden would have sucked on the roster DD was goalering, and they are voodoo.

    – Sam Ganger was just not that good: slow, small, no shot, not physical:Great 3C on a good team

    – Cogs was pegged, and he did the same

    – Anyway, that’s my opinion: this wasn’t the early Expo’s who gave away their talent to other teams.Very little NHL talent on this.Sure a few have had low-impact careers elsewhere, and Petry is on MacT, but:

    CONNER MCDAVID BABY!!!!!!

    I tend to agree. The Oil weren’t very strong at the draft table, couldn’t evaluate talent around the league when it came to procurement, and refused to find adequate support for their legitimate talent when we all knew what was needed. But the list presented above is fairly weak insofar as difference makers. Brodziak, Cogs and Petry are good players that should have spent more time in the city but their trades are a footnote in the overall Story of Incompetence.

  18. Mr DeBakey says:

    kinger_OIL: Tom Gilbert: A bottom-pairing D in Florida, Montreal and Minny.

    2013-2014 Season.. TOI/60

    BRIANCAMPBELL * 20.13
    TOMGILBERT * 17.42
    DMITRYKULIKOV * 16.87
    COLBYROBAK * 15.5
    ERIKGUDBRANSON * 14.91
    MATTGILROY * 14.67
    RYANWHITNEY * 14.44
    JONATHANRACINE * 13.77
    DYLANOLSEN * 13.6
    EDJOVANOVSKI * 12.39
    ALEXPETROVIC * 11.66
    MIKEMOTTAU * 11.16

  19. G Money says:

    Water Fire,

    Will that be enough?

    Parks and Thompson are a big step down from Grymes and Ojo.

    Watkins has lost a step.

    Young has always been crap – he was the one guy in the secondary last year who was consistently exploited.

    Odell looks old and slow.

    Sewell is still strong, but looks complacent compared to the dominance of the last few years.

    Ladler has promise, but Lacey/Ladler is still not as strong as McCoil/Foster.

    Jefferson and Grymes if we can get them back will surely help, but I’m not sure that’ll be nearly enough.

    And that’s not even going into Benevides’ schemes, which don’t look all that effective anymore.

  20. kinger_OIL says:

    Mr DeBakey: 2013-2014 Season..TOI/60

    BRIANCAMPBELL*20.13
    TOMGILBERT*17.42
    DMITRYKULIKOV*16.87
    COLBYROBAK*15.5
    ERIKGUDBRANSON*14.91
    MATTGILROY*14.67
    RYANWHITNEY*14.44
    JONATHANRACINE*13.77
    DYLANOLSEN*13.6
    EDJOVANOVSKI*12.39
    ALEXPETROVIC*11.66
    MIKEMOTTAU*11.16

    – Great ! He played over his head on another team, that finished with sub-70 points: Haha Bedankey. You are so clever to point out his TOI on a cr@p team? So is that you passively agressively posting one single number to “prove” my thesis that this list sucks is invalid?

    – Gilbert is not to use LT’s parlance one of a “wasted an incredible amount of useful talent” D

    – This was not a talented top-20: mediocre at best. Gilbert had his best years with the Oil….

  21. Mr DeBakey says:

    kinger_OIL: You are so clever to point out his TOI on a cr@p team? So is that you passively agressively posting one single number to “prove” my thesis that this list sucks is invalid?

    I’m sorry, sir.
    I didn’t mean to offend.
    I won’t ever try to prove anything bout your thesis ever again.

    ps. aggressively has two “g”s

  22. Colieo87 says:

    @G Money and @ LT.

    The list is okay at best but what about J. Stoll. Ryan Smyth. Raffi Torras. Mike Pecca. Ethan Moreau. Jason Smyth.
    Doug Weight. Management never learns from its predecessors with arguments on agreement to money ( contracts) like Lowe and Mac T respectively vs Ryan Smyth and Jeff Petry.

    To myself the oilers had a team of veterans with very little youth support from 96 to 06 and a management team of old oilers players, owner peter pocklingtons to EGI in that respective time frame of transition years. Funny though Egi made it to the Stanley Cup Final in less then 10 years and with no official farm team. Compaired to the Katz years of starting s farm team and rebuilding the nhl team.

    Pre Edmonton Investors Group Edit
    In the mid-1990s, Edmonton Oilers owner Peter Pocklington was in a precarious financial situation. Pocklington’s main creditor, the Alberta Treasury Branches, were demanding repayment of millions of dollars’ worth of loans that ATB had made to Pocklington in the 1980s and early 1990s. The once-popular Pocklington had a strained relationship with Edmontonians due in part to his decision to trade Wayne Gretzky as well as his other business and political dealings. As a result, attendance at Northlands Coliseum had declined – partly due to the team’s declining on-ice fortunes but also due to personal animosity towards the owner.

    This animosity hindered a 1996 season ticket drive that was needed to keep the team in Edmonton. It was largely due to the perseverance of future EIG partner Cal Nichols, that the Friends of the Oilers ticket drive ultimately expanded the season ticket base from a dismal 6,200 to over 13,400, enough to secure the team’s future for the short term. However, it was increasingly obvious that Pocklington would not be around for the long term. In early 1997, Pocklington announced his intention to sell up to 45% of the team on the stock market. Pressure from ATB forced him to abandon this plan and put the team up for sale.

    When the Oilers were put up for sale, many doubted whether a local ownership could be found and believed the proud franchise would be re-located to an American city as had happened with the teams in Quebec City in 1995 and Winnipeg in 1996. In 1997, the population of the Edmonton metropolitan area was still under one million, a figure viewed by many fans to be the minimum base a North American major sports team needs to be financially viable. With the only other former World Hockey Association team in Hartford re-locating in 1997, many analysts predicted that the “domino effect” would be completed in 1998 with the Oilers’ move.

    However, the terms of Pocklington’s lease at what was then known as the Edmonton Coliseum prevented him from unilaterally moving the team or selling it to someone who intended to move it. The lease stipulated that an ownership group willing to keep the team in Edmonton would have six weeks from the time any such intention was declared to purchase the team for US$70 million. In addition, the ATB is a crown corporation owned by the Alberta government, though they treated the matter as non-political. While Alberta Premier Ralph Klein wanted to keep the Oilers in the capital, he was wary of a series of scandals involving favouritism at the ATB that had plagued his predecessor, Don Getty, in the 1980s. Klein was unwilling to make any move that might have been perceived by voters as government subsidization of a hockey club that paid multimillion-dollar salaries. However, when Klein’s hometown Calgary Flames encountered financial difficulties in 2000, Klein immediately moved to assist them by creating a province-wide lottery.

    Cal Nichols looks for investors Edit
    Nichols, a prominent businessman in his own right, immediately began putting together an ownership group. At the time, the Albertan economy—driven by the oilpatch—was still recovering from price crashes in the 1980s and 1990s. Most Albertan investors preferred to commit their money to the re-emerging oilpatch, not a “small-market” hockey team. With no single Albertan magnate willing to commit C$100 million to purchase the team, Nichols was forced to secure smaller investments from a larger number of investors. Lenders were willing to finance 40% of the purchase price, meaning Nichols needed to come up with about C$60 million. Nichols had about C$35 million in investments when an offer of US$85 million (C$120 million) came from a buyer who wanted to move the team to Houston.

    The Oilers’ sale attracted interest in from several American cities, and as Nichols was securing local investors, an offer of US$85 million (C$120 million) came from Les Alexander, a Houston-based businessman and an owner of the National Basketball Association’s Houston Rockets. Houston, which had recently had an application for an expansion team rejected by the league, was (and still is) the largest U.S. city without an NHL franchise. Alexander’s original offer was to keep the team in Edmonton on the condition that the lease be terminated, attendance remained at acceptable levels, a local ownership group was eventually found and an expansion team be granted to Alexander in Houston. The Edmonton City Council rejected these terms, believing they gave Alexander too much discretion to move the Oilers to Texas. The city believed the lease they negotiated with Pocklington was still the best chance they had of keeping the team in Edmonton in the long term. Alexander then offered the ATB (which had the team in receivership by then) US$85 million (C$120 million) to purchase the team and move it to Houston, and submitted a US$5 million (C$7 million) deposit. Nichols was given until March 13, 1998 to match the deposit and commit to purchasing the team for US$70 million (C$100 million), or the lease would be automatically terminated and the team would move.

    Nichols was eventually able to assemble a group of 38 local investors. As the deadline neared, the Edmonton Investors Group (EIG) decided to commit to the purchase by matching Alexander’s deposit with a down payment of US$5 million (C$7 million). The remainder of the US$70 million (C$100 million) was paid to ATB 40 days later, and the NHL then approved the sale. Although major sporting leagues generally frown upon large ownership groups controlling franchises, the NHL decided to forego putting a team in Houston and allow the Oilers’ sale to EIG to proceed as they did not want to lose any more Canadian teams – this would have put their lucrative Canadian television contracts in jeopardy.

    The Edmonton Investors Group Ltd. is mainly a local ownership group, but includes a few business people from outside the city as well. The Oilers sale even drew interest from Calgary-born comic book creator Todd McFarlane, creator of the famous Spawn character. McFarlane and artist Brent Ashe later designed the Oilers’ third jersey.

    The Oilers’ new owners have maintained good relations with fans. As a result, fans in Edmonton backed the league-imposed lockout of 2004–05 even though it wiped out an entire season, and came back after the lockout was settled. In the 2005–06 NHL season, the Oilers sold out every home game except one, where a computer glitch prevented the release of several hundred tickets.

    Following a successful 2005–06 season which saw the Oilers fall one win short of winning the Stanley Cup and a boom in the Albertan economy, fan support reached its highest levels. A waiting list for season ticket buyers, unheard of during the days of Pocklington’s ownership, was put in place after the owners were compelled to cap the number of season tickets sold. The team has also announced that a lottery will be held for the right to purchase multi-game packages at Rexall Place.

    Source for the EGI history. (I would of been maybe 9 or 10 at the time.)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmonton_Investors_Group

  23. kinger_OIL says:

    Mr DeBakey: I’m sorry, sir.
    I didn’t mean to offend.
    I won’t ever try to prove anything bout your thesis ever again.

    ps. aggressively has two “g”s

    – your really clever! I list a bunch about the whole 20. You cherry pick one stat, for one year, on one D who is replacement level D, provide no conclusion, no discussion: that’s bush

    – I’m not offended, I’m calling you out because one cherry pick does not a refute make.

    – Pointing out a typo, wow, I am so stupid, my points surely can’t be valid. BOOM, I got served

    – Great, you think this was a talented top-20, and your retorts showed me up huge.

    – Don’t bother responding please

  24. Lowetide says:

    Please be respectful, folks.

  25. kinger_OIL says:

    Lowetide:
    Please be respectful, folks.

    – OK Dad: Goodnight!

  26. rickithebear says:

    Debakey:
    whether it is 12 min or 20 min of shit defence.
    SHit is still shit.
    you team is f……….
    if utter shit is your best D.

    HSCA 75% of goals.
    7.5 to 13.5 shots. – 6 variance
    6/13.5 = 44.44% variance
    .4444 x .75 = 33.33% variance in total goals

    LSCA 255 of goals
    17.5 to 21.5 Shots – 4 shot variance
    4/21.5 = 18.60%
    .1860 X .25 = 4.65% variance in total goals.

    Talbot #2 HSCA save% .866
    7.5o X (1.000-.886) = .86 GA/60
    13.50 X (.114) = 1.54 GA/60

    our D w/ talbot’s .886
    Larsson: 7.58 = .86 GA/60
    Davidson 8.68 = .99 GA/60
    KLefbom 10.12 = 1.15 GA/60
    —————————————-
    Sekera 12.12 = 1.38 GA/60
    Fayne 12.86 = 1.47 GA/60
    Gryba 13.11 = 1.49GA/60
    Reinhardt 13.44 = 1.53 GA/60
    Nurse 13.64 = 1.55 GA/60

  27. Mr DeBakey says:

    rickithebear: Debakey:
    whether it is 12 min or 20 min of shit defence.
    SHit is still shit.
    you team is f……….
    if utter shit is your best D.

    As usual, I have no fuckin’ idea of what you’re trying to say.
    Are you talking about Tom Gilbert?
    If so, I agree he was not really a top-pairing defenseman.
    In Florida he was paired with an elite LHD named Campbell, and that seemed to work.
    But, in general, his toolbox was never full enough for top-pairing minutes.
    It wasn’t his fault that the Oilers put him in that role.

  28. Woodguy says:

    Pretty sure almost everyone in this thread missed an important part of the original post.

    That’s LT’s top 20 prospect list from 2007

    As an example, here is my top 20 from June 2007 and how they turned out:

    Its not a list of “everyone the Oilers pissed away”

    Its the top 20 list from one year.

    One year.

    Everyone who is basically saying: “I blame poor drafting and every player on this list 100% for their failures, and I’ll also ignore everyone the Oilers sent away who continued to have a NHL career” is missing the point entirely.

    This isn’t a multi-year laundry list.

    One year.

  29. frjohnk says:

    rickithebear:
    Debakey:
    whether it is 12 min or 20 min of shit defence.
    SHit is still shit.
    you team is f……….
    if utter shit is your best D.

    HSCA 75% of goals.
    7.5 to 13.5 shots. – 6 variance
    6/13.5 = 44.44% variance
    .4444 x .75 = 33.33% variance in total goals

    LSCA 255 of goals
    17.5 to 21.5 Shots – 4 shot variance
    4/21.5 = 18.60%
    .1860 X .25 = 4.65% variance in total goals.

    Talbot #2 HSCA save% .866
    7.5o X (1.000-.886) = .86 GA/60
    13.50 X (.114) = 1.54 GA/60

    our D w/ talbot’s .886
    Larsson: 7.58 = .86 GA/60
    Davidson 8.68 = .99 GA/60
    KLefbom 10.12 = 1.15 GA/60
    —————————————-
    Sekera 12.12 = 1.38 GA/60
    Fayne 12.86 = 1.47 GA/60
    Gryba 13.11 = 1.49GA/60
    Reinhardt 13.44 = 1.53 GA/60
    Nurse 13.64 = 1.55 GA/60

    You are getting scoring chances against mixed up with shots from the high danger location against.

    As you say, Talbot has a save % of .866 when facing a shot from the high danger location.

    But the numbers you posted by the Dmen are the amount of scoring chances that come from the high danger location when the Dman is on the ice.

    Not all scoring chances lead to shots on net.

    Shots from the high danger area are anywhere from 66% to 78% of what a team allows in high scoring chances against.

    We dont have numbers to correctly point out how many shots from the high danger location happen when a Dman is on the ice, only chances.

  30. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy: Its not a list of “everyone the Oilers pissed away”

    I dont think LT’s blog can download that amount of data.

    His software would say
    ERROR!!!
    ERROR!!!
    ERROR!!!
    THE PROBABILITY OF THIS HAVING HAPPENED IS LESS THAN A NON-ZERO CHANCE
    STOP MAKING UP LIES, JACKASS!!!!

  31. Spydyr says:

    The Oilers have not won many trades since Lowe traded Pronger for too small a return.

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