RISE

EBERLE COMMONTraining camp 2016 is underway, so the stories are going to roll from now on. Early items of interest have Milan Lucic changing the culture, Oscar Klefbom being thrilled with his healthy foot and some genuinely positive vibes early at training camp. There are reasons to be optimistic about this team’s chances of improvement, although the playoffs seem a distant bell this morning.

RE 16-17 FORWARDS

re forwards 2016-17

I have the forwards scoring a lot more this year—about what the entire team scored one year ago. Reasons for the spike are Connor McDavid healthy (that is the big one), the possibility of three scoring lines and more TOI devoted to the top group. I do not have Kris Versteeg on the list, so that should be factored in to the conversation.

RE 16-17 DEFENSE

RE DEFENSE 2016-17

I have the offense increasing a little from the blue line, with Andrej Sekera getting most of the power-play minutes again. Edmonton may add another defender (Frank Seravalli mentioned Dennis Wideman again in our conversation yesterday) and that could impact the overall offense from the blue.

RE 16-17 GOALIES

re oilers goals against 2016-17

I have Talbot playing 55 games, but it could be more and that is probably wise if he can handle the work load. I looked high and low for the reasoning behind the Gustavsson hire, and home plate save percentage is the only good arrow I could find. Brossoit should get some playing time too, and since the backup job is wide open don’t discount a trade (or even Nick Ellis) at some point this season. A lot of repair work has been done, strange the goaltending has been addressed this way.

WE ARE UNDERWAY!

  1. Bogdan Yakimov, Neftekkhimik (KHL) 7, 1-0-1
  2. Ziyat Paigin, Ak-Bars Kazan (KHL) 4, 0-0-0
  3. Matthew Cairns, Muskegon (USHL) 3, 0-0-0
  4. Miroslav Svoboda, Dukla Jihlava (Cze 2) 1, 1.00 .969

Not a lot of activity so far (Cairns numbers are pre-season) but we are off and running. Yakimov isn’t scoring much and his playing time is down (10:33, he was at 11:57 during the regular-season one year ago), but early days. Paigin should be getting back into the lineup soon, and Svoboda was dandy in his first game this year.

Yakimov is an interesting player, in fact the entire Russian contingent (Yak, Yak 2, Slepyshev, Paigin) rank as a bona fide curio for Oilers fans moving forward. If the club can get one or two of these men into the NHL as productive players, we can see a way to quality and depth. That’s why Yakupov is such an important player for the organization, or one of them. I don’t have the answer about any of these Russian kids, but do know successful organizations are able to optimize their Russian investments.

I used to rail against the Oilers’ indifference toward Russian kids at the draft, and was happy to see a flurry of activity during the Tambellini and MacTavish regimes. However, there seems to be some kind of fracture in getting these players into suitable situations—whether it be Nail at the NHL level or Yak 2/Slepyshev on the AHL-to-NHL shuttle. Credit to Slepyshev for staying, cannot help but think this is a big year for all of these four men. I hope the club and players can find a way to make this work.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouth Sports. World Cup of Hockey, NHL training camps, Ron is back in the chair and Bob Cole receives a big honor.
  • Guy Flaming, The Pipeline Show. Oil Kings season gets underway tonight, and Guy will be part of the first radio broadcast team in Rogers Place tomorrow night.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Oilers are improved, but by how much? Also, Jays and Eskimos.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Friday!

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  1. kinger_OIL says:

    – Great Post LT!

    – It would be so nice if at the end of this upcoming season, we aren’t having to focus our efforts on which of these lottery-picks might end up our way. As your RE list shows, we really do have a lot of bona-fide players, that aren’t question marks:

    – Please all’s I want is for this not to be the focus next spring. It will be: “who do we need to add/subtract/package to take us to the next level”

    http://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-s-pre-season-ranking-the-nolan-patrick-draft-1.567410

  2. PaperKurtRussell says:

    Hey fellas, with all of this talk about Versteeg and JP putting Yak in the pressbox, I have a question… Is it written in stone somewhere that Yak can never again play LW? Let’s say if Pouliot gets hurt, or Maroon isn’t playing so hot in TC. A line of Yak-Drai-Versteeg/JP would be intriguing against the right competition.

  3. Jethro Tull says:

    We’re nearly there!

    I shall miss the first GDT with the 1000 comment thread.

    Le sad.

  4. KPooL says:

    An extremely unknown poster reaches out to Mr. lowetide to ask his blessing about maybe adding a blurb in the comments section about his raffle for charity (only if LT was ok with it), and Mr. Lt comes back with an offer to do him one better by posting it directly into on of his blog posts yesterday!

    Cant thank you enough for the shout out yesterday Lt. An absolutely selfless, thoughtful and all around beauty of a man! No wonder he (as the foundation) has built this great community full of insight and respectful discussions.

    Due to all the interest from here yesterday, I wanted to re-post the details here, plus today is the last chance to grab tickets online. Good luck to all that have got your tickets already. Please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions.

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    Only 574 total tickets will be sold. Must be a resident of Alberta and be over 18 years old to purchase a ticket. AGLC licence number 440019. Box generously donated by Chemco. Game TBD with raffle winner and Chemco. Only the winner will be contacted.
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  5. oilgreg says:

    LT
    Hello from Bangkok! I want to thank you for taking the time to post twice each day. Your writing is of high quality, and your content is rich and informative.
    I have been away from Edmonton for a while now. While it is still another year or two until I return, you and the other posters on this site keep me connected not only to the Oilers, but to the city.
    I have not missed a regular or pre-season game in over ten years, and I look forward to a great season by our team. I also look forward to reading your perspective on players, management and coaching.
    I am appreciative of the many posters who offer knowledgable and diplomatically written comments. II do hope GMoney does return; he has caused me to reflect on analytics and their value.
    Thanks again, LT !!!

  6. monsterbater4 says:

    Just catching up on the previous days blogs, i tend to read the previous day’s posts the next morning while eating my morning toast and laughing cow (i swear i am only 30), and managed to get through the entire thread yesterday with the focal point of the discussion regarding the comments section here.

    1) Allen (can i call you Allen for this one post?) thank you so much for your tireless effort on this blog and for moderating the comments section. When i first started reading Oilers blogs around the time of Gagner joining the Oilers i started out on various other sites (Oilfans, then hockeybuzz, then ON), before i stumbled upon your blog. I believe it was after reading one of your ON posts. Anyways, i rarely made it over a year on any of those other sites (besides reading some ON post) because the comments section delved into anarchy. I have been a loyal follower of the blog and try to read most comments (time permitting) since about the time of Taylor Hall joining the Oilers *sniff*, in no small part due to the ideas, debates and furthering of knowledge that goes on in this wonderful forum you have created. It has drastically improved my understanding of not just players, but management decisions/thinking, and the game itself.

    2) To all, I understand where some people can be off-put by perceived arrogance, snarkiness, dinkishness etc, however this if often due to the poor communication method that textual conversations are. I can’t count the number of times my wife and i have gotten into arguments over misinterpreting text messages. It is something we work on daily and try to avoid but its impossible to completely eliminate, especially when it involves something one or both of us is passionate about. Sometimes we just need to take a breather here and come back when we are in a better mental state.

    3) To all, This site is very pro-analytics (to a point) and that is one of the reasons i have come to accept certain new analytical methods. The work that WG, Gmoney, WheatNOil and others have done, just for the fun of it, and posted on here for us to better interpret the numbers and contrast them with the eye test. The thing that often gets lost by those less accepting of analytics is all the stuff that has been tossed out over the years through trial and error, or by discovery of newer methods. Corsi has been king for years, but in 5 years from now it is my belief it will not be so widely used as it is today as newer and more refined metrics are developed. It is also my belief that these newer and more refined metrics will only come if we have forums such as this. Let’s all work to keep the debate respectful and put our egos aside when we notice that the discussion is starting to go off the rails. Even if we feel we have done nothing wrong, we all have to acknowledge that we may be unintentionally excluding others and not furthering the discussion which i believe is 99% of the reason most post in this forum.

    4) My apologies for the wall of text, part of this is a vent, one i am glad our humble host provides a forum for, but most of this is a call to my fellow Lowetidians (Lowetiders?) to be better. If we are all more respectful and accepting of the fact we may not all agree and that’s OK, then this forum will continue to be the Connor McDavid of ALL hockey blogs.

    5) Go Oilers!!!

  7. Wyndi says:

    Linesman Don Henderson required neck surgery from the Dennis Wideman incident, Mr Henderson was also concussed. His officiating career might be over.

    Source: https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-linesman-don-henderson-had-neck-surgery-from-dennis-wideman-hit-report-192054868.html

    I think there is a real risk in acquiring Dennis Wideman. A player that the Zebras have a damn good reason for holding a grudge against. NHL refs have a difficult job and do their best to remain impartial but there’s no way this incident won’t color their judgement, how could it not?

  8. jm363561 says:

    The Philippines branch of the LoweTide Global Network inc. echoes the sentiments from Bangkok, while expressing a slightly politically incorrect concern at the recent lack of pictures of Sophia Loren.

    The 102 points generated by our “D” last year was dead last in the league.I cannot find how the projected 126 points would have ranked last year but while D is definitely better point production still looks an area of weakness (although RickiTheBear will probably remind me that the job of the D is to get the puck up the ice quickly and accurately).

    I still think there is another shoe to drop.

  9. Lowetide says:

    GDTs will continue, comments too. We are having some issues today, I have Go Daddy on it, but they are not related to yesterday.

  10. hags9k says:

    KPooL:

    Must be a resident of Alberta and be over 18 years old to purchase a ticket.

    Not at all surprised LT would help out, but was this fine print added before or after the Riders Eskimos game?

  11. stephen sheps says:

    Finland vs. Russia post-game review:

    A few of my friends and I were back at the ACC yesterday afternoon for what we hoped would be a barn-burner of a hockey game. With plenty at stake for each team (Russia wanted to advance, the Finns playing for respectability as well as defeating a bitter rival both in sport and in geopolitical affairs), my expectations were rather high. And for the long-time posters around these parts, y’all know I am very pro-Finland, both as a hockey program and as a nation.

    Anyhoo… *yawn

    I am glad I only paid $10.50USD for my ticket. It was not a particularly great game. The Russians aren’t a very good hockey team. They feast on the mistakes of their opponents, mind you, and the Finns played about as sloppy a game as I’ve seen in a long time. When they did manage to get opportunities (the shot clock was pretty much even, though the Russians dominated 5v5 play), they ran into a very calm, confident and positionally sound goalie Bob. If his wonky groin can hold up this year, the BJs might actually do pretty well in spite of their shitty head coach. Bob’s back, full stop.

    Other Russian players of note:

    Holy hell can Ovie shoot the puck. He’s also way bigger than he looks on TV, but to be honest he was not the game-breaker I was hoping he would be. He’s also slower than I was expecting, which given the speed of some of the other Russian forwards like one-time Thrashers/Jets draft pick Ivan Telegin, was surprising. Btw, I saw Telegin real good. He seems to score like a 4th liner in the KHL, but didn’t look like a 4th liner yesterday afternoon. Evgenii Dadonov looks like a player too, but he’s not going to be the next Artemi Panarin.

    The best player on the ice (non-Bobrovsky division) was Gino Malkin and it wasn’t even close. He is who I hope Draisaitl becomes when he grows up. They have that similar choppy, slightly hunched over skating stride that doesn’t look good but sure covers a lot of ground. Malkin is also more of a demon on the back-check than I remember him being. At one point, Mikael Granlund stripped someone of the puck at the point, Orlov I believe (didn’t see him good at all, btw, no idea why he was named 3rd star!), and skated hard towards the attacking zone. Granlund is real fast, but Malkin managed to catch him and used some old-fashioned good stick positioning to negate the potential breakaway and calmly resumed the Russian pressure on the Finns. It was a hell of a play.

    Team Finland:

    As a whole, the Finns were outmatched and outgunned from the start, They seemed totally discombobulated in their own zone most of the game (and tournament for that matter), which could of course be attributed to their exceptionally young defence they brought to the tournament. Of the six defenders they iced yesterday, only Olli Maatta and Rasmus Ristolainen looked like keepers. Any talk of trying to poach Ville Pokka from the Chicago system needs to stop, now. I mean yes he’s only 22, but so is Maatta and the skill difference between them is staggering.

    Sami Vatanen is not worth his new contract, though I believe Darcy’s defensive metrics showed us that early in the summer and WoodMoney verified it. He’s basically Marc-Andre Bergeron but Finnish and not physical – great on the PP, chaos in his own zone.

    Risto was all over the ice, but not always in a good way. He’s a slower, right handed Nurse but with more offence. He seemed more interested in joining the rush, particularly late in the game once the Russians were already up 2, but didn’t really do much when he was there.

    The good news for the FInns is that this defensive group will be better by the time the next tournament happens. Sami Lepisto was the elder statesman of the group at 31, but then Vatanan and Jokipakka (my favourite name in hockey, despite him being a flame now) at 25 and the rest 22 or younger.

    Up front the Finns were unable to generate much at 5v5. Filppula, Koivu and Barkov were easily their best forwards, while young Sebastian Aho is incredibly skilled but still quite raw. I see why Patrik Laine is so sure of himself. He’s a very exciting player to watch, but he was trying to do too much on his own, which actually ultimately worked against him, failing to gain the zone cleanly a number of times and causing a few really bad turnovers both in the neutral zone and in his own end of the rink.

    Tukka Rask doesn’t look good. Lowetide, I think our shared #2 team might be in for a rough ride this year. His confidence seems low, and he looked tentative, playing deeper into the crease than normal. He also seems to have forgotten how to handle the puck, playing it in very Scrivensesque ways – by which I mean like it’s a live grenade. I was thrilled when I saw he was starting rather than Rinne. Although the first two Russian goals were hardly Rask’s fault (they were really great goals, just outworking and patiently out-waiting the Finnish defenders), I think RInne would have given the Finns a better chance to win yesterday.

    And now the player everyone wants to know about. Lauri Korpikoski!!!
    He’s bad at hockey, full stop. Very noticeable on the ice, but in often terrible ways; sloppy puck handling, poor defensive zone awareness, giveaways and took two real shitty, lazy penalties, one in the neutral zone, the other while on the attack. It was bad, and it basically stalled the momentum the Finnish team were starting to build during 5v4 play not once but twice. He’s Calgary’s problem now, I suppose, though it was sort of ironic/sad to see the Oilers logo on the back of his helmet not 4 hours after the announcement that he had signed the Flames PTO. That said, I hope Korpse doesn’t become the new Stempniak, but I have a feeling that he will.

    Stray observations:

    I sat in row 9 of sections 310 & 322 respectively for each game, basically the same spot on opposite ends of the rink, right on the blue line. The sight lines from these seats are truly spectacular and I hope to be sitting somewhere similar on November 1 (my 35th birthday) when the Oilers come to town.

    Russian fans are hilarious. So much chanting, so many flags. However the best/worst thing I saw was the dude dressed up like a 19th century Cossack. Hilarious. Not cool given how many of those bastards chased my ancestors all over Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, but hilarious. I took a slo-mo video of him dancing with his Russian flag after a goal for posterity and laughter.

    The ‘fan village’ is not only a waste of both space and time, but perhaps the saddest attempt at making the event feel like an actual international tournament rather than a glorified NHL all-star tournament with a few token KHL players. It’s further away from the ACC than the marketers would have you believe, transit options are poor, the ‘international’ flavour of the event was basically just an American dude dressed like Lincoln with a bald eagle and a food truck with over-priced ribs. None of the other nations seemed to really have anything going at the village, and the big stage just seemed like a waste of time, space and resources. Not impressed, NHL. Not impressed at all.

  12. John Chambers says:

    One thing I like about Chiarelli is that he doesn’t tend to overpay for bottom-of-the-roster players, and appears to be building depth economically.

    If on July 10th we signed Versteeg for $2M and Gryba for $1.5, I think we’d all be pleased. At this rate if they’re both healthy they sign for half that.

    Letestu was an overpay in dollars or years, while I wish he’d have budgeted another $500k for backup goaltending.

  13. stephen sheps says:

    Bohologo,

    Thanks Boho!

    As I am on my unpaid sabbatical this year, I’ve been really trying hard to write more, and not just in terms of volume but also consistency. Since I happen to be working on two hockey related projects (one on hockey, racism and nationalism in Canada; another on the rise of analytics and its impact on the way we understand the game from a sociological point of view), getting the opportunity to actually attend a couple games in person has allowed me to basically do field-work for relatively low cost. The fact that LT lets me post these ramblings now that I basically don’t use my blog and Zona & Bruce aren’t at CnB anymore (man I miss being their ‘travel desk’ sometimes!) is just an added bonus.

  14. Frank the dog says:

    Just a thought LT, what if you just put (Report comment) next to (Quote) and (Reply). Then when we are getting those 1,000 comment GDT blogs (I would not be surprised if we get 2,000 GDT comments this year) you would only need to take a look at the comments that are reported, or are reported the most when you get a chance to take a look.
    You don’t even have to add a comment section to that, the problem with the comment should be self evident. Hopefully you should be able to delete the comment or block the poster altogether at the click of a button. No explanation necessary if your Community Guidelines are set up properly.
    I think it’s one way the responsible members of this community could lighten your load.
    Cheers, and thank you for the only Hockey blog I actually read these days.

  15. russ99 says:

    I’m so psyched for some preseason hockey on Monday!

    Any word on TV yet? I’m a US-based Oilers fan, and those oilers.com restrictions for Alberta and Saskatchewan only are frustrating. Would be awesome if they put them on Gamecenter.

  16. leadfarmer says:

    We sure are playing with the empty net a lot. I guess with Larssons HDSC defense we only let in 12 empty netters in 82 games

  17. leadfarmer says:

    Or is that Mr. “Empty Net” Keven Bouchard getting games.

  18. Protagonist says:

    PaperKurtRussell:
    Hey fellas, with all of this talk about Versteeg and JP putting Yak in the pressbox, I have a question… Is it written in stone somewhere that Yak can never again play LW?Let’s say if Pouliot gets hurt, or Maroon isn’t playing so hot in TC.A line of Yak-Drai-Versteeg/JP would be intriguing against the right competition.

    I seem to recall that Yak was an indefensible tire fire at LW. Having played RW almost his entire life, he just might not be suited to LW now.

  19. Frank the dog says:

    I’m hoping a time will come where we can once again discuss contentious issues with dignity and respect for LT and each other. For the meanwhile I think we probably need the passage of time to persuade LT to carry on with this wonderful blog, and perhaps to allow responsible commenters to report disrespectful posts.
    Until a certain trade took place, I always felt that we could discuss virtually anything on this post, have strong comments but remain respectful on all sides. I wish we could get back to that place.

  20. Woogie63 says:

    I held my breath and bought two tickets to the opening night NHL game. My dad took me to the opening night at Northlands. Now I will take my son (if he promises not to wear a Flames sweater). My question to the group, where to park and restaurant recommendation would be appreciated.

  21. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Frank the dog,

    Here here!

  22. russ99 says:

    monsterbater4,

    Great post.

    Counterpoint views make this site so much more interesting and rewarding.

    While it’s obvious that hockey analytics have much validity and importance, datasets may not show the whole picture, so maybe it’s not worth taking a life and death stand on the numbers when the context can differ. Data is a guide to show us things we may not otherwise ascertain, it’s not a black and white rule of how it is. At least not as much of a whole view until chips track all the players and the puck.

    Nobody says you have to agree, but if the blood pressure starts to rise, that may be a sign to let it go. it’s just hockey…

  23. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    LT,

    Thanks for the writeup, I’m looking forward to seeing how this group does this season. My biggest fear is Talbot, not because I don’t believe in him, but because I understand him and his wife recently had twins…. can we start a gofundme to get him a condo near rogers place and hire his wife a live in nanny?

    Total aside, but the WHL season starts here in Lethbridge tonight and I’m really looking forward to it. The team is built to score and be scored upon once again this season, should be entertaining hockey either way. The team has been so good to my family over the past couple of years, they’ve basically adopted my kids and made them team mascots, so they are an easy club to get behind.

    Edmonton folks looking for a reason to watch hockey in Rogers Place should look into going to the Oil Kings home opener tomorrow night vs. the Rebels. If you haven’t been to a WHL game, or haven’t been lately, you’re missing out. Plus it’s a good opportunity for the underdog Oil Kings to steal one from Red Deer because most of the older top guys are going to be out at camp, which usually helps out rebuilding clubs like Edmonton.

  24. kinger_OIL says:

    Woogie63,

    – that’s a cool story: bet not many fans on opening night will have the same father/son experience

    – Also re: LT. Trust lots here click on his button: top-right…This is a special place he has created

  25. Frank the dog says:

    Protagonist: I seem to recall that Yak was an indefensible tire fire at LW. Having played RW almost his entire life, he just might not be suited to LW now.

    I saw the same, but I also think that the additions and subtractions in general that have taken place over the last few years, may allow Yak to become the player he was becoming under Krueger and Nelson.
    Sans adequate data samples, I believe that both Krueger and Nelson are better at making the most of what they are given, whereas TMac is a good coach that needs players that suit his system. I think that CMD may carry TMac to the Stanley Cup, but that Nelson or Krueger would have done a better job of who they had, which I suppose cancels everything out because they would have become a good team by playing above themselves rather than a loaded team which is what I believe we may well have now.
    I am not planning the parade in the offseason, and if CMD gets another long term injury I’m gone till next season. But it does seem we have a better team than last season, a better roster, and toughs who can play hockey available for every line. Just the new players quarters alone should give the team a boost, so it’s left to the referees to tilt the ice against us, or not.

  26. Frank the dog says:

    Woogie63:
    I held my breath and bought two tickets to the opening night NHL game.My dad took me to the opening night at Northlands.Now I will take my son (if he promises not to wear a Flames sweater).My question to the group, where to park and restaurant recommendation would be appreciated.

    Park early at an LRT station.

  27. bendelson says:

    Curious LT,

    Is that a Public Image Ltd. reference? Well, that takes me back…
    Mentally thumbing through my brother’s vinyl collection, I believe the Cyber People would be next in line. Good times.

  28. dustrock says:

    It’s earl;y, but lines so far:

    Maroon-Lander-Yak (Nuge)
    Lucic-Caggiula-Eberle (McDavid)
    Pitlick-Vesce-Versteeg
    Christoffer-Sallinen-Slepyshev

    Simpson-Fayne
    Oesterle-Benning
    Reinhart-Gryba
    Fraser-Bear

    Talbot
    Laurikainen

    TEAM 2

    Pou-Le Test Tube – Pul
    Benik-Hendricks-Kassian
    Beck-Kharia-Pakman
    Moroz/Hamilton-Platzer-Russell

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Davidson
    Joey Legs-Musil
    Jones-Niemo/Betker

    Gustavsson
    Brossoit

  29. Soup Fascist says:

    Whichever path your twice/daily offering takes a sincere thanks for your dedication and willingness to share your talent.

    As someone who finds it difficult to compile a WEEKLY report in my current position, I am amazed at your dedication, not to mention your abilities.

    I hope you will reconsider what may be a major overhaul to what has become an oasis in the desert that has been professional hockey in good ‘ol our town. However, certainly that is your perogative and no matter what the outcome, you have made many people’s day brighter.

    Thanks.

  30. vinotintazo says:

    dustrock,

    where would Drai be?
    and Sekera?

  31. Woodguy says:

    vinotintazo:
    dustrock,

    where would Drai be?

    I think it would be Drai between Maroon and Yak, while RNH would get Pou and JP.

  32. dustrock says:

    vinotintazo:
    dustrock,

    where would Drai be?
    and Sekera?

    I’d guess Drai subs off Le Test Tube, and Sekera subs off SImpson

  33. vinotintazo says:

    Woodguy,

    makes sense *has flashbacks of 2015 and cries*

  34. Ducey says:

    dustrock:
    It’s earl;y, but lines so far:

    Maroon-Lander-Yak (Nuge)
    Lucic-Caggiula-Eberle (McDavid)
    Pitlick-Vesce-Versteeg
    Christoffer-Sallinen-Slepyshev

    Simpson-Fayne
    Oesterle-Benning
    Reinhart-Gryba
    Fraser-Bear

    Talbot
    Laurikainen

    TEAM 2

    Pou-Le Test Tube – Pul
    Benik-Hendricks-Kassian
    Beck-Kharia-Pakman
    Moroz/Hamilton-Platzer-Russell

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Davidson
    Joey Legs-Musil
    Jones-Niemo/Betker

    Gustavsson
    Brossoit

    There you go Yak, you are first line right wing! 🙂

  35. Protagonist says:

    Woogie63:
    I held my breath and bought two tickets to the opening night NHL game.My dad took me to the opening night at Northlands.Now I will take my son (if he promises not to wear a Flames sweater).My question to the group, where to park and restaurant recommendation would be appreciated.

    Tres Carnales is my easy recommendation. Best tacos in the city, maybe best in western Canada. Takes a while to get a table so don’t be intimidated by the line, but the food comes out fast. Get tacos and chips + guac/salsa, and if you’re really hungry, get a Torta. If you get a Torta, cut it in half beforehand. Restaurant is on Rice Howard Way by Jasper Ave. Really delicious.

  36. Bruce Wayne says:

    This means that at the starting line the lines are:

    Lucic–McDavid–Eberle
    Pouliot–Nuge–Puljujarvi
    Maroon–Draisatl–Yakupov
    Hendricks–Letestu–Kassian

    Which is what we always knew would be the case. Versteeg is getting the show me treatment while the vets are getting the respect treatment. Expect Versteeg in the lineup on opening night with Yakupov in the press box.

    Nurse is a mortal lock to make the team.

  37. vinotintazo says:

    Woodguy: I think it would be Drai between Maroon and Yak, while RNH wouldget Pou and JP.

    I think so too

  38. Drew says:

    stephen sheps:
    Finland vs. Russia post-game review:

    A few of my friends and I were back at the ACC yesterday afternoon for what we hoped would be a barn-burner of a hockey game. With plenty at stake for each team (Russia wanted to advance, the Finns playing for respectability as well as defeating a bitter rival both in sport and in geopolitical affairs), my expectations were rather high. And for the long-time posters around these parts, y’all know I am very pro-Finland, both as a hockey program and as a nation.

    Anyhoo… *yawn

    I am glad I only paid $10.50USD for my ticket. It was not a particularly great game. The Russians aren’t a very good hockey team. They feast on the mistakes of their opponents, mind you, and the Finns played about as sloppy a game as I’ve seen in a long time. When they did manage to get opportunities (the shot clock was pretty much even, though the Russians dominated 5v5 play), they ran into a very calm, confident and positionally sound goalie Bob. If his wonky groin can hold up this year, the BJs might actually do pretty well in spite of their shitty head coach. Bob’s back, full stop.

    Other Russian players of note:

    Holy hell can Ovie shoot the puck. He’s also way bigger than he looks on TV, but to be honest he was not the game-breaker I was hoping he would be. He’s also slower than I was expecting, which given the speed of some of the other Russian forwards like one-time Thrashers/Jets draft pick Ivan Telegin, was surprising. Btw, I saw Telegin real good. He seems to score like a 4th liner in the KHL, but didn’t look like a 4th liner yesterday afternoon. Evgenii Dadonov looks like a player too, but he’s not going to be the next Artemi Panarin.

    The best player on the ice (non-Bobrovsky division) was Gino Malkin and it wasn’t even close. He is who I hope Draisaitl becomes when he grows up. They have that similar choppy, slightly hunched over skating stride that doesn’t look good but sure covers a lot of ground. Malkin is also more of a demon on the back-check than I remember him being. At one point, Mikael Granlund stripped someone of the puck at the point, Orlov I believe (didn’t see him good at all, btw, no idea why he was named 3rd star!), and skated hard towards the attacking zone. Granlund is real fast, but Malkin managed to catch him and used some old-fashioned good stick positioning to negate the potential breakaway and calmly resumed the Russian pressure on the Finns. It was a hell of a play.

    Team Finland:

    As a whole, the Finns were outmatched and outgunned from the start, They seemed totally discombobulated in their own zone most of the game (and tournament for that matter), which could of course be attributed to their exceptionally young defence they brought to the tournament. Of the six defenders they iced yesterday, only Olli Maatta and Rasmus Ristolainen looked like keepers. Any talk of trying to poach Ville Pokka from the Chicago system needs to stop, now. I mean yes he’s only 22, but so is Maatta and the skill difference between them is staggering.

    Sami Vatanen is not worth his new contract, though I believe Darcy’s defensive metrics showed us that early in the summer and WoodMoney verified it. He’s basically Marc-Andre Bergeron but Finnish and not physical – great on the PP, chaos in his own zone.

    Risto was all over the ice, but not always in a good way. He’s a slower, right handed Nurse but with more offence. He seemed more interested in joining the rush, particularly late in the game once the Russians were already up 2, but didn’t really do much when he was there.

    The good news for the FInns is that this defensive group will be better by the time the next tournament happens. Sami Lepisto was the elder statesman of the group at 31, but then Vatanan and Jokipakka (my favourite name in hockey, despite him being a flame now) at 25 and the rest 22 or younger.

    Up front the Finns were unable to generate much at 5v5. Filppula, Koivu and Barkov were easily their best forwards, while young Sebastian Aho is incredibly skilled but still quite raw. I see why Patrik Laine is so sure of himself. He’s a very exciting player to watch, but he was trying to do too much on his own, which actually ultimately worked against him, failing to gain the zone cleanly a number of times and causing a few really bad turnovers both in the neutral zone and in his own end of the rink.

    Tukka Rask doesn’t look good. Lowetide, I think our shared #2 team might be in for a rough ride this year. His confidence seems low, and he looked tentative, playing deeper into the crease than normal. He also seems to have forgotten how to handle the puck, playing it in very Scrivensesque ways – by which I mean like it’s a live grenade. I was thrilled when I saw he was starting rather than Rinne. Although the first two Russian goals were hardly Rask’s fault (they were really great goals, just outworking and patiently out-waiting the Finnish defenders), I think RInne would have given the Finns a better chance to win yesterday.

    And now the player everyone wants to know about. Lauri Korpikoski!!!
    He’s bad at hockey, full stop. Very noticeable on the ice, but in often terrible ways; sloppy puck handling, poor defensive zone awareness, giveaways and took two real shitty, lazy penalties, one in the neutral zone, the other while on the attack. It was bad, and it basically stalled the momentum the Finnish team were starting to build during 5v4 play not once but twice. He’s Calgary’s problem now, I suppose, though it was sort of ironic/sad to see the Oilers logo on the back of his helmet not 4 hours after the announcement that he had signed the Flames PTO. That said, I hope Korpse doesn’t become the new Stempniak, but I have a feeling that he will.

    Stray observations:

    I sat in row 9 of sections 310 & 322 respectively for each game, basically the same spot on opposite ends of the rink, right on the blue line. The sight lines from these seats are truly spectacular and I hope to be sitting somewhere similar on November 1 (my 35th birthday) when the Oilers come to town.

    Russian fans are hilarious. So much chanting, so many flags. However the best/worst thing I saw was the dude dressed up like a 19th century Cossack. Hilarious. Not cool given how many of those bastards chased my ancestors all over Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, but hilarious. I took a slo-mo video of him dancing with his Russian flag after a goal for posterity and laughter.

    The ‘fan village’ is not only a waste of both space and time, but perhaps the saddest attempt at making the event feel like an actual international tournament rather than a glorified NHL all-star tournament with a few token KHL players. It’s further away from the ACC than the marketers would have you believe, transit options are poor, the ‘international’ flavour of the event was basically just an American dude dressed like Lincoln with a bald eagle and a food truck with over-priced ribs. None of the other nations seemed to really have anything going at the village, and the big stage just seemed like a waste of time, space and resources. Not impressed, NHL. Not impressed at all.

    Thank you for your deep report on my (not) favorite player Korpse. To me he personifies the need for advanced analytics.

    Professional hockey people keep saying he looks like a player and giving him chances, but us no nothings, think he looks terrible. Basic stats say he is OK, prelim analytics say he sucks. Why does this guy get picked over and over again by pro hockey people (and then bought out)

    WHY, WHY, WHY

    Just days ago this would summon GMoney, Woodguy, Wheatoil, etc to a rollicking good conversation.

    I fear those days are ending, sniff.

  39. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Protagonist: Tres Carnales is my easy recommendation. Best tacos in the city, maybe best in western Canada. Takes a while to get a table so don’t be intimidated by the line, but the food comes out fast. Get tacos and chips + guac/salsa, and if you’re really hungry, get a Torta. If you get a Torta, cut it in half beforehand. Restaurant is on Rice Howard Way by Jasper Ave. Really delicious.

    This is, in fact, the correct answer.

  40. godot10 says:

    Woogie63:
    I held my breath and bought two tickets to the opening night NHL game.My dad took me to the opening night at Northlands.Now I will take my son (if he promises not to wear a Flames sweater).My question to the group, where to park and restaurant recommendation would be appreciated.

    Parking Panda for Edmonton OIler games.. There is supposedly an app too. Allows one to reserve and pay for your parking spot in advance.

    https://www.parkingpanda.com/edmonton-oilers-parking

  41. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Drew: Thank you for your deep report on my (not) favorite player Korpse. To me he personifies the need for advanced analytics.

    Professional hockey people keep saying he looks like a player and giving him chances, but us no nothings, think he looks terrible. Basic stats say he is OK, prelim analytics say he sucks. Why does this guy get picked over andover again by pro hockey people (and then bought out)

    WHY, WHY, WHY

    Just days ago this would summon GMoney, Woodguy, Wheatoil, etc to a rollicking good conversation.

    I fear those days are ending, sniff.

    I’ve yet to meet someone who thought Korpse was a good hockey player. Ever. Then again, I don’t know that many people….

  42. LadiesloveSmid says:

    http://www.viasatsport.se/sport/ishockey/nyheter/rakell-kan-lamna-nhl-just-nu-ar-det-stiltje

    Rakell getting KHL offers, ANA with 7.5M to sign him and Lindholm

    3C?

  43. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Maroon just said he is down 25 pounds!

  44. Water Fire says:

    bendelson:
    Curious LT,

    Is that a Public Image Ltd. reference?Well, that takes me back…
    Mentally thumbing through my brother’s vinyl collection, I believe the Cyber People would be next in line.Good times.

    May the road rise with you!

  45. Woodguy says:

    Protagonist: Tres Carnales is my easy recommendation. Best tacos in the city, maybe best in western Canada. Takes a while to get a table so don’t be intimidated by the line, but the food comes out fast. Get tacos and chips + guac/salsa, and if you’re really hungry, get a Torta. If you get a Torta, cut it in half beforehand. Restaurant is on Rice Howard Way by Jasper Ave. Really delicious.

    Excellent suggestion.

    Their sister restaurant is Rostizado and it is right across the street from the rink.

    Unlike Tres Carnales which is first come first served, Rostizado has a “waiting list” which you can get onto remotely : http://www.rostizado.com/

    Both places are very good.

  46. godot10 says:

    The Oil Kings game is supposedly close to a sellout tomorrow…18K for a CHL game…I wonder what the record is for a regular season CHL game.

  47. rickithebear says:

    Look ing Thru Corsica forward line combo’s:
    Of the existing players on the team.
    lines with close to or better than 50.0 SF% and GF%
    LW – C – RW – SF% – GF%
    Lucic – XXX – Versteeg – 61.90 SF% – 100 GF%
    Lander – RNH – Eberle – 61.72 SF% – 66.67 GF%
    Pouliot – MCD – Eberle – 55.92 SF% – 52.63 GF%
    Maroon – Mcd – Eberle – 49.80 SF% – 69.23 GF%
    Hendricks – Letestu – Yakupov – 55.56 – 50.0 GF%
    XXX – Lander – Pakarinen – 52.31 FS% – 50.0 GF%
    Pouliot – RNH – Eberle – 51.15 SF% – 50.0 GF%
    Hendricks – Letestu – Kassian – 49.72 SF% – 100 GF%

  48. Woodguy says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    This means that at the starting line the lines are:

    Lucic–McDavid–Eberle
    Pouliot–Nuge–Puljujarvi
    Maroon–Draisatl–Yakupov
    Hendricks–Letestu–Kassian

    Which is what we always knew would be the case.Versteeg is getting the show me treatment while the vets are getting the respect treatment.Expect Versteeg in the lineup on opening night with Yakupov in the press box.

    Nurse is a mortal lock to make the team.

    Pairs look like we figured too:

    Klef-Larsson
    Sekera-Fayne
    Nurse-Davidson

    That’s not awful and is probably close to NHL average if not above.

  49. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Nail walked into his interview laughing and smiling and you can just tell the media guys felt his energy. Became a bit somber when someone brought up trade rumors/requests, but says all the right things. Wants to be here, loves Edmonton, doesn’t want to uproot his life to go somewhere else.

    is there a player in the league youre rooting for more? I love yak, please gord put it together

  50. innercitysmytty says:

    Woodguy,

    Both are very good! Keep in mind Rostizado is in a slightly higher price range. Tier 1 fans can afford it though.

  51. Soup Fascist says:

    godot10:
    The Oil Kings game is supposedly close to a sellout tomorrow…18K for a CHL game…I wonder what the record is for a regular season CHL game.

    I thought I heard Calgary Hitmen had over 19K for Teddy Bear Toss one year – so it can’t be beat in the new barn. But that is going to be a great crowd. Will be awesome for those kids.

  52. Drew says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: I’ve yet to meet someone who thought Korpse was a good hockey player. Ever. Then again, I don’t know that many people….

    And yet he was signed to an NHL contract by Arizona, brought to the Oilers, recruited to the World Cup team, and been given a PTO by the Flames, (all by people that you don’t know) but earn a living in hockey. What does that mean.

  53. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Drew: And yet he was signed to an NHL contract by Arizona, brought to the Oilers, recruited to the World Cup team, and been given a PTO by the Flames, (all by people that you don’t know) but earn a living in hockey. What does that mean.

    that managers are often incompetent and prefer reputation to result

  54. Evilas says:

    Woogie63,

    I don’t live in Edmonton, but I have had great success parking underground @ city hall. Not sure how popular it will be on game days…

  55. Soup Fascist says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: I’ve yet to meet someone who thought Korpse was a good hockey player. Ever. Then again, I don’t know that many people….

    To paraphrase my Grampa, “There are two kinds of people. Those who don’t like the way Korpikoski plays hockey and those who have not seen him play”.

  56. Lowetide says:

    bendelson:
    Curious LT,

    Is that a Public Image Ltd. reference?Well, that takes me back…
    Mentally thumbing through my brother’s vinyl collection, I believe the Cyber People would be next in line.Good times.

    Yes! 🙂 I almost used this one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L_z-Qaaero

  57. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Gryba’s really only a negative relCF and rel xGF playing with fringe NHLers. Nurse, Ference, Reinhart.

    Good results with the bonafide LD

  58. Drew says:

    LadiesloveSmid: that managers are often incompetent and prefer reputation to result

    Could they be looking at information that we don’t have?
    Could they be facking stupid?
    Could they have a preconceived notion not supported by data?
    Could they not look at data at all?
    Could Korspe have pictures of Hockey men fornicating with a sheep?

    they all could be true, some to a greater degree i guess.

  59. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Woodguy: Pairs look like we figured too:

    Klef-Larsson
    Sekera-Fayne
    Nurse-Davidson

    That’s not awful and is probably close to NHL average if not above.

    (Wipes drool off chin)

    What is this NHL average you speak of? I have forgotten what it looks like in Copper and Blue so I needs a refresher.

    LadiesloveSmid,

    This is a good thing and maybe the grin of that big goofy Finn will rub off on some people. I’m hoping like hell he can figure it out this year. It doesn’t need to be as a first liner, like all those folks (Cleary, Cogs, etc) if the Yak can figure himself out a role and succeed in that my Grinch heart may just grow two sizes this season.

    Gord I love and hate this team equally. Every year it starts out with smiling faces and promises and today is no different… Please dear Oilers stop yanking my chain this season!

  60. remlap says:

    Protagonist: Tres Carnales is my easy recommendation. Best tacos in the city, maybe best in western Canada. Takes a while to get a table so don’t be intimidated by the line, but the food comes out fast. Get tacos and chips + guac/salsa, and if you’re really hungry, get a Torta. If you get a Torta, cut it in half beforehand. Restaurant is on Rice Howard Way by Jasper Ave. Really delicious.

    I’d like to toss my vote into this hat as well.

    The wife and I came to Edmonton for a game last year. Decided to give Tres Carnales a shot. Didn’t regret a single bite. Best tacos we’ve ever had short of a roadside taco stand in Mexico itself. Getting an order of chips & guacamole is mandatory.

  61. Pretendergast says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    From LT’s linked article:
    “Since I’ve been here, there’s always been an excitement level for the new season,” said Eberle.

    “I think with the new building people are excited first and foremost to experience a game here.

    “Second, with what we’ve done in the off-season to get some bigger guys, some defencemen, obviously the emergence of Connor, I think fans are excited about that.

    “As a player having gone through it for a few years now, you kind of temper that a bit as you get into camp.

    Eberle sure has turned into an old man at the ripe old age of 26. He’s seen this song and dance before, and its almost sad how he tempers his expectations.

  62. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!: (Wipes drool off chin)

    What is this NHL average you speak of? I have forgotten what it looks like in Copper and Blue so I needs a refresher.

    LadiesloveSmid,

    This is a good thing and maybe the grin of that big goofy Finn will rub off on some people. I’m hoping like hell he can figure it out this year. It doesn’t need to be as a first liner, like all those folks (Cleary, Cogs, etc) if the Yak can figure himself out a role and succeed in that my Grinch heart may just grow two sizes this season.

    Every time I see that image of JP and his huge grin I’m surprised anyone’s mouth can be that big. I swear there is a monster in Norse mythology that rises up and swallows the sun/world or something…. makes me think of that.

  63. stevezie says:

    In 2012 I took a boat from Sweden to Finland. As we floated by our first town, some random dude beside me turned to me.

    “Are you Canadian?”

    “Yeah.”

    “You like hockey?”

    “Yeah.”

    “You know Lauri Korpikoski?”

    “Yeah.”

    “See that balcony on that nice looking apartment building overlooking the river? That’s his place. We’ve been friends since school.”

    “Nice. He’s pretty fast.”

    “Yeah.”

    So that’s my Korpikoski story.

    Stay tuned for the time I sat on MacT’s lap at autograph day, made Jani Niinimaa an extreme Pita, and told a drunk Teddy Purcell it was time to leave a St John’s bar.

  64. Ducey says:

    Drew: And yet he was signed to an NHL contract by Arizona, brought to the Oilers, recruited to the World Cup team, and been given a PTO by the Flames, (all by people that you don’t know) but earn a living in hockey. What does that mean.

    Korpse put up pretty good boxcars in PHX in 10-11 (79 19 21 40 pts) and 11-12 (82 17 20 37). Both times that was 5th on the team in scoring despite getting some lousy zone starts.

    Those are decent numbers. Offensive dynamo Yakupov has yet to get more than 33.

    GM’s are likely hoping they can find a decent bottom 6 winger with some touch and a little size.

  65. bendelson says:

    Water Fire: May the road rise with you!

    And so goes the earworm in my head all morning…

  66. stevezie says:

    bendelson,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpCC__dz0lw

    They put a high quality version on a live cd a couple years back. Is that version on youtube? No, it is not.

  67. bendelson says:

    stevezie,

    Pearl Jam ist rad.

  68. Drew says:

    Ducey: Korpse put up pretty good boxcars in PHX in 10-11 (79 19 21 40 pts) and 11-12 (82 17 20 37). Both times that was 5th on the team in scoring despite getting some lousy zone starts.

    Those are decent numbers. Offensive dynamo Yakupov has yet to get more than 33.

    GM’s are likely hoping they can find a decent bottom 6 winger with some touch and a little size.

    Whats a bottom six winger? do they score more than they allow? is that different than a top six winger?

    I get it that they play less minutes than others on the team.

    So those years long ago are jazzing Pro Hockey Men into forever chances?

  69. frjohnk says:

    Ducey: Korpse put up pretty good boxcars in PHX in 10-11 (79 19 21 40 pts) and 11-12 (82 17 20 37). Both times that was 5th on the team in scoring despite getting some lousy zone starts.

    Those are decent numbers. Offensive dynamo Yakupov has yet to get more than 33.

    GM’s are likely hoping they can find a decent bottom 6 winger with some touch and a little size.

    If Korpse was still on the team, the only left winger who has had more points in a season is Lucic.

  70. frjohnk says:

    Stauffer just mentioned on the radio that JP skated on a rush full out with the puck and snapped a rocket over Gustavsons shoulder and this happened right in front of Chia.

    So does that mean JP inches closer to getting a roster spot, or does it mean that Gustavsson has a glove hand not unlike mine. ( I dont play goalie)

  71. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    stevezie,

    One time a few years back I ran into Ryan Whitney (before foot injuries took their toll) at a bar late on a Friday night. I was reasonably sober, told him that I loved his first pass exiting the zone (he said thanks) and then I asked him why he was out at this particular establishment given his at the time advance age for an Oiler. He said “well someone needs to look after these idiots” point to a very very inebriated pairing of Taylor Hall and Sam Gagner just giving it on the dance floor to a Brad Paisley song. I said “touche,” we cheersed and then each went our separate ways. A nothing story but one that still makes me grin.

    The only other gooder I have was during the 05/06 season when a buddy and I went to the skills competition at Rexall. After all the drills I was standing behind the bench waiting to hand my jersey over to Pronger and Smyth who were signing autographs when I noticed a very small and very young Oilers fan standing next to me with a Teddy Bear, she said Smyth was her favourite (he was mine to) and when the opportunity came I took her bear for her and handed it over the glass where both Smyth and CP put a squiggle on it and then handed it back to her. The smile that jumped across her face was almost as good as the thumbs up that Smyth gave me as he skated off the ice. I still have that jersey and it still doesn’t have an autograph on it but I’m pretty sure that day the little gal became an Oiler fan for life.

  72. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Here’s how I see things:

    Sometimes you need to take one step back in order to take two steps forward. This blog needed venting hopefully it’s better for everyone now.

    The Oilers have a realistic shot at the playoffs and here’s why:

    1. We have a team that is built to not only compete but be successful in it’s division. 3rd best team in division means playoffs. SC hangover possible for SJ, ton of question marks with Anaheim and LA has seemed to plateaued the last couple seasons Sutter on hot seat. Add unforseen injuries to any of these teams and it’s not unrealistic that one of those 3 teams underachieves with Edm & CGY in hunt for 3rd spot in division

    2. In order to make the playoffs the Oilers need to be at least +10 GD for the season which IMO is attainable.

    Every team in the West last year that had a positive goal differential made the playoffs with Minn the 8th seed at +10. They had 216 GF while Nash had 218. The Oilers had 203. It’s very possible for this team to get another 20 goals with added depth and less injuries giving them 223 GF this season. LT’s projections above have team at 226 GF.

    The issue will be GA which is why Chia tried so hard to get a top dman. It doesn’t really matter how many goals for you get if you can’t keep the puck out of your net you’re screwed. Calgary had the 4th most goals for in the West at 231 GF last year but finished -29 in GD hence no playoffs. That is why the Hall for Larsson trade was crucial.

    The Oilers gave up 245 goals last year and are going to have to shave at least 30 this year to have a chance at the playoffs. Is it doable? With another year in the system, Schultz gone, added health and a top shutdown D in Larsson along with a more comfortable Talbot you bet your ass it is. As bad as it got defensively last year it was still 38 goal improvement over the year before.

    This team had to get better defensively and for all of you who push for Unicorns remember the Calgary example I illustrated. It’s about balance. This team is already pretty good offensively it’s the defensive part we need to improve if we are going get to the dance. That’s why I have and will continue to suggest RNH as a 3rd line center in a checking role from time to time. It’s not because I hate Nuge or prefer Draisaitl it’s because he is our best option at slowing down the other team’s top line. Hence lowering our GA, improving our GD giving us a chance at playoffs. Having the offensively gifted Drai in a limited role on the 3rd line doesn’t help us defensively. I’m confident he can do what Nuge can do as #2C but I am much more confident in Nuge in a defensively responsible semi-checking 3rd line than Drai.

    Overall this team was -85 GD in 2014, -42 last year (a 43 GD difference) another similar improvement puts them with a positive GD.

    Assuming McDavid is healthy, Is this team capable of 20 more goals for and 33 less goals against? It’s possible. Having a checking line periodically with Nuge centering it may be the key to getting that GA number down along with healthy defensemen.

    It really just comes down to that for me. This team has more depth throughout the lineup in maybe a decade and is built to win it’s division we just gotta stay healthy. I really believe we are witnessing the beginning of something great and cannot recall being THIS excited about the Oil in a very long time.

  73. Drew says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    stevezie,

    One time a few years back I ran into Ryan Whitney (before foot injuries took their toll) at a bar late on a Friday night. I was reasonably sober, told him that I loved his first pass exiting the zone (he said thanks) and then I asked him why he was out at this particular establishment given his at the time advance age for an Oiler. He said “well someone needs to look after these idiots” point to a very very inebriated pairing of Taylor Hall and Sam Gagner just giving it on the dance floor to a Brad Paisley song. I said “touche,” we cheersed and then each went our separate ways. A nothing story but one that still makes me grin.

    The only other gooder I have was during the 05/06 season when a buddy and I went to the skills competition at Rexall. After all the drills I was standing behind the bench waiting to hand my jersey over to Pronger and Smyth who were signing autographs when I noticed a very small and very young Oilers fan standing next to me with a Teddy Bear, she said Smyth was her favourite (he was mine to) and when the opportunity came I took her bear for her and handed it over the glass where both Smyth and CP put a squiggle on it and then handed it back to her. The smile that jumped across her face was almost as good as the thumbs up that Smyth gave me as he skated off the ice. I still have that jersey and it still doesn’t have an autograph on it but I’m pretty sure that day the little gal became an Oiler fan for life.

    good for you man!

  74. Drew says:

    frjohnk: If Korpse was still on the team, the only left winger who has had more points in a season is Lucic.

    ~ ya but Yak never scored that much either!~ i have know idea what that has to do with the discussion, but oh well.

  75. Ducey says:

    Drew: Whats a bottom six winger? do they score more than they allow? is that different than a top six winger?

    I get it that they play less minutes than others on the team.

    So those years long ago are jazzing Pro Hockey Men into forever chances?

    Is it that different than hoping that Yak will revert to the form of his 17 yr old season 6 yrs ago?

  76. Ducey says:

    frjohnk: If Korpse was still on the team, the only left winger who has had more points in a season is Lucic.

    Wow. That’s a sobering thought.

  77. frjohnk says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    I work with some guys who have very close connections to past and present NHLers and a have met a few and have heard some of what these guys have had to say including Babcock, Schenn brothers and the guy to be named further down.

    I have a landscaping company side business and was doing a yard for a buddy and buddy’s friend came out and we worked on the yard all day. Buddys buddy used to play in the NHL and man did I quiz him about a bunch of stuff. I had then run into him a few other times.

    Then one day, the wifey and 4 kids are in church on Sunday and a young family sit right behind us a few minutes after the service started. And then I hear “Oilers suck, Oilers suck, Oilers suck” in a whispering voice in my ear. I look back and its my buddys buddy, with a shit eating grin, Colby Armstrong.

  78. Woodguy says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    What is this NHL average you speak of? I have forgotten what it looks like in Copper and Blue so I needs a refresher.

    Haha!

    No shit.

    I figured in this post where I figured out each team’s TOI for “actual Top 4 Dmen” over 3 seasons that the average NHL has “Actual Top 4 Dman” taking up 50% of the available TOI for Dmen and the threshold for a playoff team is 60%.

    It was remarkably consistent over the 3 years that I looked at it.

    Anyhow, I have Klef, Larsson, Sekera as Actual Top 4 Dmen, and Davidson’s results last year were superior to the average Top 4 NHL Dman, albeit with a lot of 3rd pair thrown in there.

    Fayne’s results were also close to “Actual Top 4 Dman” when with Sekera, but not away.

    So if they key guys stay health and Davidson is what I think he is, they could be at or near the magical 60%.

  79. Drew says:

    Ducey: Is it that different than hoping that Yak will revert to the form of his 17 yr old season 6 yrs ago?

    How are the questions asked about the Korpse acquisition, now related to Yak? What does that have to do with this? Am I missing something? I am going through what i said to see where they are linked, are they?

    Everything can’t be about Yak can it?

  80. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Woodguy,

    That right there is sweeter than Pecan Pie I tells ya.

    You need to stop with this crap though, all it does is reinforce my view that “sunny ways” may actually be upon us and like any properly jaded Oiler fan I don’t think my psyche could handle another false start.

    Can we just skip to October 12 already? I’m too anxious to wait another two and a half weeks for all the kinks to get worked out. I want Oiler hockey now!

  81. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk: If Korpse was still on the team, the only left winger who has had more points in a season is Lucic.

    If we look at last season’s 5v5 pts/60 we get:

    POULIOT, BENOIT 2.05
    LUCIC, MILAN 2.04
    MAROON, PATRICK 1.41
    HENDRICKS, MATT 0.76
    KHAIRA, JUJHAR 0.39

    That’s a pretty nice top 9 LW.

    Also,

    KORPIKOSKI, LAURI 1.02

  82. Woodguy says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    Woodguy,

    That right there is sweeter than Pecan Pie I tells ya.

    You need to stop with this crap though, all it does is reinforce my view that “sunny ways” may actually be upon us and like any properly jaded Oiler fan I don’t think my psyche could handle another false start.

    Can we just skip to October 12 already? I’m too anxious to wait another two and a half weeks for all the kinks to get worked out. I want Oiler hockey now!

    I’m the biggest blue-sky guy during training camp.

    I think I’ve learned a lot about projecting teams over the last year and to me, Dcorp are so key.

    Its this reason that I bet the under on FLA, and the over on OTT and COL this year.

    Would have pounded the under on DAL but they were off the board.

  83. Woogie63 says:

    frjohnk,

    Saturday night in Penticton, my son and I go for Pizza and beers after the Oilers/Flames games. Me in my Oiler orange and my son in his Flames red. We are seated right next to an NHL GM and his assistant GM. We had a great conversation, both were very generous and thoughtful, and seemed to just love to talk hockey.

    My son asked the GM how much the Flames should sign Johnny Hockey for, the GM said $10M. My son said we can’t afford that … in less then a second he said good sign him for $14M.

  84. dustrock says:

    Woodguy: Excellent suggestion.

    Their sister restaurant is Rostizado and it is right across the street from the rink.

    Unlike Tres Carnales which is first come first served, Rostizado has a “waiting list” which you can get onto remotely : http://www.rostizado.com/

    Both places are very good.

    I prefer Rostizado it’s right by the arena. Great cocktails. And I agree the Open Table app makes the wait much easier – go into the Mercer Tavern and have a pint, and before you know it your table will be ready.

  85. Ducey says:

    Drew: How are the questions asked about the Korpse acquisition, now related to Yak? What does that have to do with this? Am I missing something? I am going through what i said to see where they are linked, are they?

    Everything can’t be about Yak can it?

    I was just providing a comparison while taking my mandatory drive by at Yak 🙂

    I am also not so subtly trying to point out the gap in verbal around here: Yak should be a #1 RW, while GM’s are dumb for hiring Korpse.

    There isn’t that much of a divide between the two. Korpse actually has had a decent career, although he appears done. Korpse had two nice seasons, (without Connor McDavid zooming him).

    If Yak could have Korpse’s 10-11 season I think we would all be happy (and I would admit I am wrong on my bust prediction). As it stands LT has him down for 24 points. If true, sigh.

  86. rickithebear says:

    Lt:
    Closing the store?

    Did I Miss something?

  87. Ducey says:

    dustrock: I prefer Rostizado it’s right by the arena.Great cocktails.And I agree the Open Table app makes the wait much easier – go into the Mercer Tavern and have a pint, and before you know it your table will be ready.

    The problem is that there are going to be 2000 people trying to do the same thing.

    It will be interesting to see how “going to a game” plays out in the next few years. We could see an explosion of bars and restaurants downtown.

  88. Lowetide says:

    rickithebear:
    Lt:
    Closing the store?

    Did I Miss something?

    We won’t be carrying Dapper Dan, only Fop.

  89. Tire Fire says:

    Lowetide: We won’t be carrying Dapper Dan, only Fop.

    Damn! We’re in a tight spot then.

  90. Drew says:

    Ducey: I was just providing a comparison while taking my mandatory drive by at Yak

    I am also not so subtly trying to point out the gap in verbal around here: Yak should be a #1 RW, while GM’s are dumb for hiring Korpse.

    There isn’t that much of a divide between the two. Korpse actually has had a decent career, although he appears done. Korpse had two nice seasons, (without Connor McDavid zooming him).

    If Yak could have Korpse’s 10-11 season I think we would all be happy (and I would admit I am wrong on my bust prediction). As it stands LT has him down for 24 points. If true, sigh.

    Oh Okay was wondering if the drive by was a dig at me. i was wondering if i had done something to deserve it. I try not to be dick, though i can be a wienie.

    I was am trying to make the point that even professionals make terrible decisions, but why do they?

    Korpse’s performance (in our avail statistical categories) was/is known and is declining at a precipitous rate – meanwhile Yak’s is not progressing or not as quickly (re his pedigree) in various areas. If you overlay development curves on his career it appears the clock is ticking BUT it is not yet midnight (or is it).

    The intent of the conversation was to ask questions and create constructive dialogue.

  91. Spengler says:

    Ducey,

    And not an explosion of surface level parking. Fingers crossed, rolling my eyes at my own naiveté…)

  92. stephen sheps says:

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    (Side note – I know I don’t live in Tennessee anymore, but I’m keeping y’all, dammit. I honestly love using it whenever possible. Don’t judge me… or do… whatever works)

  93. Woodguy says:

    Re: Lowering the goals against

    Last year the Oilers allowed 30.64 5v5 shots against/60 and put up a .9143 for 170 goals against.

    The returning Dmen were:

    BRANDON.DAVIDSON 27.64
    OSCAR.KLEFBOM 28.55
    ERIC.GRYBA 29.85
    JORDAN.OESTERLE 30.56
    ANDREJ.SEKERA 30.9
    MARK.FAYNE 31.05
    GRIFFIN.REINHART 31.99
    DARNELL.NURSE 32.57

    Larsson was 25.89, but came from a much different system. His relSA/60 (with -24RZS) was -2.74, so that would ballpark to 27.9 on the Oilers. Since he’ll play with Klef and Klef’s 28.5 was put up mostly with Jultz I think 28.5 for that pair is a very conservative and safe guess.

    Sekera and Fayne were 30.31 together, but maybe they can lower that if they are not playing 1sts.

    One problem is that Nurse and Davidson got shelled 38.6/60 (!) in 42 minutes together. Hopefully they can improve that.

    So on the whole I see the Oilers dropping their SA/60 to at least 29.5 and it might even get to 29 if Klef and Larsson click and play 20+ 5v5 min/game.

    So, if we use 29.5 and the SV% stays the same, (assume 3885 5v5 TOI like last year) the 5v5 goals against drop to 163 from 170.

    I have Talbot improving a bit this year and think the Oilers 5v5 SV% will come in at .9208

    That drops the 5v5 GA to 152 from 170.

    There’s 18 goals against better……..

    Last year the allowed 14 empty net goals. If they are leading more that should drop to maybe 10.

    That’s now 22 goals against better…….

    Now if they can actually drag the SA/60 down to 29 and Talbot + ? put up the .9208 that I figured then that’s 148 5v5 GA and is 26 goals against better…….

    The rub I see is that Talbot was all world 4v5 last year with a .8898 4v5 (9th in the NHL) and I’m not sure he will do that again.

    His 3 year 4v5 average is .9052, but NYR, for as shitty as their Dcorps was, had a very good PK. I looked at NYR Dcorp results here

    I also think the Oilers will be short handed more. Lucic has a negative penalty differential, as does Kassian and Maroon. They will take penalties.

    Lot of its and buts in my thought process, but dropping 30 goals is probably on the outside of reasonable, but not too far outside.

  94. linkfromhyrule says:

    The goaltending situation scares the crap out of me. We are one Talbot injury away from a lottery pick. Chia has retooled most of the roster, but he may have committed an unforced error with his backup goalie signing.

    I’m sure I don’t need to remind anyone of the Dubnyk Debacle.

    Unless Brossoit is close? I didn’t think he was last season, my opinion this season is unchanged

  95. Chachi says:

    dustrock: I prefer Rostizado it’s right by the arena.Great cocktails.And I agree the Open Table app makes the wait much easier – go into the Mercer Tavern and have a pint, and before you know it your table will be ready.

    We went to Rostizado before the Dolly Parton (Yes, Dolly Parton, and it was fantastic) concert last weekend. The app they use is called “Nowait” which allows you to put your name down on their line up list, but it does not work until they are open. Unfortunately, according to them, there was a line that started an hour before they opened so by the time we got there, 1 minute after they opened, the app was quoting a 90 minute wait. We managed to snag the last few seats on their patio, but there is no way we would have been able to eat there and get out before the concert started if we didn’t get there right for opening. They seemed overwhelmed by the early crowd and service was extremely slow. The good news is the food was great. Between Rostizado and Tres Carnales, I would go to Tres Carnales for a game night and Rostizado for an evening where you don’t have to worry about getting fed and into the arena by a certain time.

  96. Woogie63 says:

    Woodguy,

    Agree with this line of thinking … two other observations that could be added to your “if and buts”

    a healthy Nuge puts a very good 2 way centre on the ice for more minutes.

    With that left wing, we are going to cycle the puck 180 feet from our goal for more minutes than the “rush offence” of last year’s team.

  97. dustrock says:

    Chachi: We went to Rostizado before the Dolly Parton (Yes, Dolly Parton, and it was fantastic) concert last weekend. The app they use is called “Nowait” which allows you to put your name down on their line up list, but it does not work until they are open. Unfortunately, according to them, there was a line that started an hour before they opened so by the time we got there, 1 minute after they opened, the app was quoting a 90 minute wait. We managed to snag the last few seats on their patio, but there is no way we would have been able to eat there and get out before the concert started if we didn’t get there right for opening. They seemed overwhelmed by the early crowd and service was extremely slow. The good news is the food was great. Between Rostizado and Tres Carnales, I would go to Tres Carnales for a game night and Rostizado for an evening where you don’t have to worry about getting fed and into the arena by a certain time.

    That’s fair. They are popular enough without the new arena that I can see they wouldn’t know how to deal with extra crowds.

  98. Oiln5 says:

    Woodguy:
    I think I’ve learned a lot about projecting teams over the last year and to me, Dcorp are so key.

    This is why we can truly be optimistic heading into the season. Why we can predict Yak settling down and finding his way with the fresh start. Why our goal differential is completely unpredictable heading into this season(minus the fact it will improve), and why we legitimately have a shot at the playoffs heading into the season

    Defense is truly the backbone of any team. Hell I think even Tambellini knew this while he was harvesting his #1’s.

  99. Chachi says:

    dustrock: That’s fair.They are popular enough without the new arena that I can see they wouldn’t know how to deal with extra crowds.

    The food is worth the wait, just wouldn’t do it again on an event/game night.

  100. godot10 says:

    Rogers Place means a slew of new restaurants…er…restolounges are going to eventually open in downtown Edmonton, and open early, and stay open late.

    #HereComesTheNighttime

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fFAKrIntzY

  101. cabbiesmacker says:

    stephen sheps:
    -Spam Alert:

    (Side note – I know I don’t live in Tennessee anymore, but I’m keeping y’all, dammit. I honestly love using it whenever possible.

    I rented a y’all once but they didn’t let me keep it. Hope I never have to rent one again. It pulled to the left. and shook like a bugger at 100 kmph

  102. Chachi says:

    godot10:
    Rogers Place means a slew of new restaurants…er…restolounges are going to eventually open in downtown Edmonton, and open early, and stay open late.

    #HereComesTheNighttime

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fFAKrIntzY

    Such a great song.

  103. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: We won’t be carrying Dapper Dan, only Fop.

    You are no longer bonafide.

  104. Pajamah says:

    Woodguy: You are no longer bonafide.

    You’re both banned from Woolworths.

  105. Lowetide says:

    Pajamah: You’re both banned from Woolworths.

    Well, ain’t this place a geographical oddity. Two weeks from everywhere!

  106. John Chambers says:

    Gopher, Everett?

  107. John Chambers says:

    godot10:
    Rogers Place means a slew of new restaurants…er…restolounges are going to eventually open in downtown Edmonton, and open early, and stay open late.

    #HereComesTheNighttime

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fFAKrIntzY

    Except when a city’s nightlife revolves around the sports team and features restau-pubs all of the same format and lacquered finish.

    Not a bad place to find some action, but pretty soulless.

  108. godot10 says:

    John Chambers: Except when a city’s nightlife revolves around the sports team and features restau-pubs all of the same format and lacquered finish.

    Not a bad place to find some action, but pretty soulless.

    Once an urban core begins to develop, more and more people will begin to live downtown, and the nightlife will diversity and niche-i-fy, especially around the periphery.

    Edmonton is pathetically suburban right now. Most people don’t have a clue what city life can be like.

  109. Water Fire says:

    Pajamah: You’re both banned from Woolworths.

    I believe it’s ‘ the Woolworths’ 😃

  110. theres oil in virginia says:

    stephen sheps: I know I don’t live in Tennessee anymore, but I’m keeping y’all, dammit. I honestly love using it whenever possible. Don’t judge me… or do… whatever works)

    I won’t judge you…CARPETBAGGER!!!

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