OILERS CUT THREE, MCLELLAN SPEAKS

The Edmonton Oilers are getting after it at this year’s training camp, cutting three men and getting the roster down below 60. The three men are:

  • G Dylan Wells (sent back to junior Peterborough Petes)
  • G Keven Bouchard (released)
  • D Kayle Doetzel (released)

I thought there was a whisper about Doetzel possibly getting an AHL deal (more Norfolk) but that appears to be a sailed ship with today’s news. These cuts are early, which is likely painful for the players, but gets the organization down to a better number (especially in goal) during the early days. Distant bells? Down to 22.

THE DISTANT BELLS

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  • There are now four junior kids remaining on this list (Benson, Bear, Jones, Niemelainen) and I imagine the defensemen will get at least two pre-season games before being sent down. Benson? We can hope he is healthy enough to get a game but he has missed quite a bit of time already.
  • We won’t know the rosters for tomorrow’s game until late tonight or sometime tomorrow, but if you can play center there is probably a good chance of getting into a game—possibly in a feature role. Kyle Platzer might get a little push here tomorrow night.

UNCERTAIN OILERS

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  • Todd McLellan says he wants to see another 43 goals shaved from the goal differential again this season, and part of that will have to come from one of the two goalies mentioned here.
  • McLellan also talked about the lack of centers with McDavid, Nuge and Draisaitl unavailable for the early strains of camp. He suggested the club would like to see if they can find a third center in this group (allowing Leon to move over to RW at times) and for me that may involve Caggiula, Sallinen and others in this uncertain group.
  • From the names mentioned here, I think Hendricks, Fayne and Gustavsson have the best chance to be part of the team opening night.
  • Right wing looks wide open from here, performances in the exhibition season may be the difference.

CERTAIN OILERS

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  • The strengths are at center and the club looks good to me at LW and LD, your mileage may vary.
  • RW could be a strength if Versteeg’s wheels will turn, but the only two sure R’s are above.
  • Nurse—Davidson looks like a thing in camp, and if this is the case then maybe Sekera—Fayne is also a thing. I have no objections.
  • One thing to watch for tomorrow night is the power play. If Eberle and Puljujarvi are on the same team, and play on the power play, that could be a clue for the season ahead.
  • Todd McLellan had good things to say about Versteeg and his ability to be a Swiss Army knife. ‘He is comfortable to do it, and willing to do it’ was a direct quote today, suspect the team will have a long look at him.
  • McLellan also had kind early words for Adam Larsson (strong defender) but nothing major, early days.
  • McLellan on the defense: ‘We know we have to get better on the blue line, we know we have a lot of work to do there.’

 

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  1. hunter1909 says:

    Aw, I thought they’d cut Lenin.

  2. Centre of attention says:

    McLellan on the defense: ‘We know we have to get better on the blue line, we know we have a lot of work to do there.’

    Trouba could do a ton of work there.

  3. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909:
    Aw, I thought they’d cut Lenin.

    Lenin has a chance to show well early imo. He did it last year, before falling flat in the regular year. Maybe he can build a season starting tomorrow night.

  4. matt says:

    1. What was the lender’s issue last year? And some sort of nagging injury or concussion effects (did he have one?) or something?

    2. What wing has Lander played in the past?

    3. Has Versteeg ever played centre?

  5. Lowetide says:

    matt:
    1. What was the lender’s issue last year? And some sort of nagging injury or concussion effects (did he have one?) or something?

    2. What wing has Lander played in the past?

    3. Has Versteeg ever played centre?

    1. Lander had a strong TC, but the offense died during the year. Last season, the NHL employed 378 forwards who played more than 400 minutes. Lander’s 0.33 points-per-60 at 5×5 ranked him No. 375 overall—ahead of only Boyd Gordon, Paul Gaustad and Jacob Josefsen.
    2. LW.
    3. Yes. He has taken over 700 career faceoffs, but only 64 in the last two years.

  6. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Krueger getting way too much praise for his time in Edmonton. Goaltending was the best it had been in I don’t know how long, Khabi and Duby had fantastic seasons. Ran 44.5% 5v5 CF. Personnel was poor and one can argue he didn’t get a fair shake, but I’ll take McLellan over him any day.

    I lose sleep over the young guys with no track record of quality play repeating their performances from last season but give no thought to the chance one or more of Reinhart/Nurse/Oesterle/Slepyshev/Khaira/Kassian/Brossoit taking big steps forward

  7. OilersFuture says:

    I think Hendicks is pretty safe too, the club seems to value him. He might need to get some rest but he fills a role, PK plays a heavy game, for the club.

    With Hendricks that’s 4 (or possibly 3 if they keep 8 D) forward positions up for grabs.

    There’s six forwards and each player likely means there is a tough decision on another player on the roster.

    1. Puljujarvi
    2. Versteeg
    3. Yakupov
    4. Lander
    5. Caggiula
    6. Pakarinen
    7. Waiver Wire
    8. The Field (Khaira, Slepyshev, Beck, Sallinen, Pitlick)

    I wonder if the Oiler’s keep JP, Versteeg, Yakupov & Lander on the team. Todd would be given the option to play whomever is playing the best out of JP, Yak, Versteeg & possibly Maroon (he’s a hot/cold player). It also gives them the option of a ‘top 9’ forward to plug and play when injury hits.

    If those three make the team, I believe Lander is the 14th forward. Because he can fill the role in the event one of Letestu or Hendricks get hurt.

    Pakarinen would go on waivers but I would think he clears and even if he doesn’t I’m not sure he’s much of an upgrade over Beck, Khaira or even Pitlick. Also, the Oiler’s could likely find a replacement player via trade easily and it would free up a roster spot on the 50 man list.

  8. Bruce Wayne says:

    Krueger’s team played terribly. That’s a fact. What success there was entirely dependent on the powerplay and goaltending, i.e. the two things most influenced by random variation.

  9. Lowetide says:

    I think people are taking the Krueger love too seriously. It is a feelgood story, but no one is suggesting McLellan be fired (I hope).

  10. Johnny skid says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Krueger getting way too much praise for his time in Edmonton. Goaltending was the best it had been in I don’t know how long, Khabi and Duby had fantastic seasons. Ran 44.5% 5v5 CF. Personnel was poor and one can argue he didn’t get a fair shake, but I’ll take McLellan over him any day.

    i doubt krueger would have played korpikowski and letestu on the power-play if he would have been coaching the oilers.

  11. Frank the dog says:

    The Larsson trade debate will probably never die though. If the team goes nuclear and into the playoffs, some will say it was in spite of losing Hall, and others will say it is because they traded Hall.

    Last year’s team would have done a ton better w/o the schedule, reffing and injuries, which have to have fed on each other. Overlooked illegal hits, interference etc, goals called back or allowed, etc.

    I would suggest those factors, combined, somewhat overshadow any debate on the other subject.
    Todd’s the coach now so it doesn’t really matter any more how good Krueger or Nelson are/were compared to Todd. The combination of roster, coaching, management are probably the best it’s been since the last cup run.

  12. RT26 says:

    Lat,

    Firing McLellan is ridiculous, but I do think firing Krueger was one of the, if not the biggest mistake MacT made. Set us back a ways, in my opinion. Of course, I hold Ralph in high esteem, so might be biased…

  13. Richard S.S. says:

    LT’s certain 15 have a Cap Hit of $55.113 Million. That leave $17.887 Million for the Buyout, the LTIR and the remaining 7, roughly $2.0 Million each. Good luck finding cost effective talent.

  14. Frank the dog says:

    RT26:
    Lat,

    Firing McLellan is ridiculous, but I do think firing Krueger was one of the, if not the biggest mistake MacT made.Set us back a ways, in my opinion.Of course, I hold Ralph in high esteem, so might be biased…

    Renney, Krueger Nelson and TMac are all good coaches then and now. Given this roster, flat ice, even handed refereeing, and less injuries (to our team) all should be able to do a lot better with this team or last year’s team than they did.
    Some may prefer the dementor, feel free to do so.

  15. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Johnny skid: i doubt krueger would have played korpikowski and letestu on the power-play if he would have been coaching the oilers.

    Korpikoski was actually really effective on the man advantage, was 2nd to McDavid in PP P/60 among PP regulars. Letestu and Eberle’s results were pretty similar.

  16. OF17 says:

    Richard S.S.:
    LT’s certain 15 have a Cap Hit of $55.113 Million.That leave $17.887 Million for the Buyout, the LTIR and the remaining 7, roughly $2.0 Million each.Good luck finding cost effective talent.

    I don’t follow. Every player the Oilers have that could fill that role is either under $2 million, likely under $2 million, only over because of a bonus technicality, or Mark Fayne. At this point it would be harder to fill those roles for over $2 million a pop than for under.

  17. Johnny skid says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Korpikoski was actually really effective on the man advantage, was 2nd to McDavid in PP P/60 among PP regulars. Letestu and Eberle’s results were pretty similar.

    that would help explain why this team was at the bottom of the standings.

  18. Water Fire says:

    Krueger’s talent as a coach is getting the best out of rag tag rosters. This is his proven skill, with Switzerland and to an extent the horribly constructed Oilers maybe team Europe.

    He might have been like Lowe as a GM, hamstrung by EIG he was good, with a big wallet not as good. We’ll likely never know.

    The Oilers current coach seems good enough to coach Canada in best in best tournaments as chosen by other hockey people, even showing great flexibility in using his WHC roster IMO.

    There a lot of good coaches in the world, less great players. Our biggest worry now is what Chiarelli’s does.

  19. leadfarmer says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    Krueger’s team played terribly.That’s a fact.What success there was entirely dependent on the powerplay and goaltending, i.e. the two things most influenced by random variation.

    Well he never got a eastern conference bump especially road trip games against the Southeast division which always gave fans hope for finally turning the corner before crashing when they played the big western teams.

    So you really think Krueger got a fair shake with this team? Was he going to solve the problems with that roster? No. Did he get treated terribly by this franchise by a bunch of idiots running it, who somehow are still around? Yes.

  20. Pescador says:

    Lowetide:
    I think people are taking the Krueger love too seriously. It is a feelgood story, but no one is suggesting McLellan be fired (I hope).

    That depends, is Krueger coming back?
    😀

  21. MrEd says:

    Aren’t Slepyshev, Beck, Pitlick all RShots?

    Pitlick is from the Mid-West. Somehow moving him closer to home…

  22. MrEd says:

    Anton Lander. I really don’t know if he’ll play that many more NHL games but i’m pretty confident he’ll continue to play. Good for him.

  23. kinger_OIL says:

    Frank the dog: Renney, Krueger Nelson and TMac are all good coaches then and now. Given this roster, flat ice, even handed refereeing, and less injuries (to our team) all should be able to do a lot better with this team or last year’s team than they did.
    Some may prefer the dementor, feel free to do so.

    – More often than not, a coach gets fired, because the GM or president depending on the heirarchy, is simply in self-preservation mode, and they fire 3 coaches before getting fired themselves:

    – A typical life cycle of a GM is as follows:
    a) New GM gets hired, inherits coach
    b) Within 12 months, GM brings in his own coach (buys time)
    c) GM then fires that coach then brings in the next one (buys more time)
    d) after some amount of years, depending on success, the GM gets fired (time’s up)

    – Rinse and Repeat.

    – Of course, you don’t see organizations like the Oil where the coach gets fired, gets the GM job, after , gets fired, then hangs around some more. MacT fired Kruger, becasue he wasn’t his guy, hired then fired Dallas, then hired Todd Nelson, and in his hubris, he also “coached” Nelson.

    – I know I shouldn’t hate the player, hate the game, but MacT: honestly get some pride: leave

  24. Ryan says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    Krueger’s team played terribly.That’s a fact.What success there was entirely dependent on the powerplay and goaltending, i.e. the two things most influenced by random variation.

    Corgis? We don’t need your stinking Corgis. :/

  25. Little Poteet says:

    Rip Arnold Palmer

  26. stush18 says:

    Dunno if it was posted today

    RIP Jose Fernandez. Baseball lost a terrific talent

  27. Ryan says:

    kinger_OIL,

    C’mon.

    You can’t really fault Mact for hanging around for his paycheck.

    Many of us here do pretty well, but I can’t imagine many outside of Woodguy who see cheques like the one Mact gets from the Oilers.

    Life is expensive.

  28. Ryan says:

    Ryan: Corgis? We don’t need your stinking Corgis. :/

    Sorry, if it wasn’t already patently obvious, I was making *fun* of Krueger’s ‘ability’ to get hammered on the shot clock, but still pull out a win.

  29. Jaxon says:

    Lowetide,

    I don’t see Kassian as a sure thing. I know they just signed him, and he is a Chiarelli pickup, but I don’t think that means he is necessarily a sure thing. He could easily get outplayed by any 3 of Yakupov, Versteeg, Puljujarvi and Pakarinen or even by all 4, making him the 6th RW on the depth chart. RW is such a puzzle. Wide open.

  30. Pouzar says:

    gary lawless ‏@garylawless 2m2 minutes ago
    making calls around NHL today and #nhljets have no interest in a Trouba deal that doesn’t include a left-hand D of similar ability and age

  31. Richard S.S. says:

    OF17,

    The roughly $2.0 Million per number is a loose guide. IF Mark Fayne ($3.625), Griffin Reinhart ($3.213) and Jesse Puljujarvi ($3.425) make the Roster, that leaves just $3.737 Million for 4 more.

    On the other hand, if Anton Lander ($.988), Jonas Gustavsson ($.800), Iiro Pakarinen ($.725) and Jordan Oesterle ($.585) make the Roster, that leaves just $10.902 Million for three more.

    Depending on who you want on the Roster, costs will vary. When it comes to the Cap, the best choices don’t always make the Team.

  32. JDï™ says:

    Little Poteet:
    Rip Arnold Palmer

    It years past, it was a good thing if Arnold was six under for the day.

    RIP Arnold, Jose, Mylan… I’m sure I’m forgetting someone here – let me know if I’ve missed you.

  33. Moose says:

    Pouzar:
    gary lawless ‏@garylawless2m2 minutes ago
    making calls around NHL today and #nhljets have no interest in a Trouba deal that doesn’t include a left-hand D of similar ability and age

    You know, I saw this last night and really started to go through the teams that have the ability to make that type of trade, and honestly it’s not a big list. Granted this is Winnipeg’s starting position and maybe it changes, but who can really make that deal? Team with young LH D that can give Trouba top 4 minutes and sign him to extension.

    Carolina: They’re not trading Hanifan but have a nice collection of young LH’s (Fleury, Slavin, Bean)
    Toronto: Do they want to trade Gardiner? They already have a lot of RH D and not much depth at LD
    NYR: Would Winnipeg take Brady Skjei + something else?
    Boston: Krug + ? That doesn’t excite me if I’m Winnipeg.
    Detroit: They’re in cap hell but if they move DeKeyser in the deal?

    Who else? To me, in terms of current assets, the Oilers are really in a good position here if the would move Nurse or Reinhart ++

    For most other teams the play is to go get Fowler from Anaheim and flip him, and that might even make more sense for Edmonton too if they can get Fowler without moving Nurse.

  34. godot10 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Krueger getting way too much praise for his time in Edmonton. Goaltending was the best it had been in I don’t know how long, Khabi and Duby had fantastic seasons. Ran 44.5% 5v5 CF. Personnel was poor and one can argue he didn’t get a fair shake, but I’ll take McLellan over him any day.

    I lose sleep over the young guys with no track record of quality play repeating their performances from last season but give no thought to the chance one or more of Reinhart/Nurse/Oesterle/Slepyshev/Khaira/Kassian/Brossoit taking big steps forward

    Krueger had the worst roster in the Hall era, the worst defense in the Hall era, significant injuries, and an all Western Conference schedule, and the BEST points per game. Basically, Krueger had the worst team, and the best results. i.e. For the majority of the season, the centres were a 2nd year Nugent-Hopkins, with a gimpy shoulder, Gagner, Belanger, and Ryan Smyth.

    Khabibulin played even better the season before for Renney, with that incredible start in October and November.

    Krueger’s team was absolutely horrible, but he still produced results…because he made the best use of everything he had….including Yakupov, Paajarvi, a one-legged Ryan Whitney, Mark Fistric…that is what is called coaching.

  35. Durag says:

    kinger_OIL,

    I think the rationale for firing Kruger was that getting Eakins was such a huge coup that we needed to do whatever it took to get him before someone else snapped him up.

    MacT’s ineptitude for talent evaluation wasn’t limited to the playing surface.

  36. OF17 says:

    Moose,

    I did a similar comb through the league, and Dallas and Philly also struck me as possibilities. If Winnipeg likes Lindell and is willing to take salary back (Roussel, Hemsky?), then that could work. If Philly is willing to move one of Provorov or Sanheim, I could see Winnipeg interested. Mark Streit would be a perfect way to balance short-term salary and give Winnipeg a LHD for the year.

    Philly is a legit possibility IMO, one of the teams in a great position to make a move. I’d have a tough time turning down Streit + Sanheim if I were Winnipeg, and the deal would mean a future D corps of Gostisbehere, Provorov, Trouba, and Gudas for Philly. There’s good incentive to make a deal on both sides.

  37. Pescador says:

    Durag:
    kinger_OIL,

    I think the rationale for firing Kruger was that getting Eakins was such a huge coup that we needed to do whatever it took to get him before someone else snapped him up.

    MacT’s ineptitude for talent evaluation wasn’t limited to the playing surface.

    Well said,
    Still like the man-good coach, good oiler.
    Could have rode off into the sunset on a Stallion, instead will be mostly remembered for prancing into the GM job under a Donkey.
    What’s his role now, cleaning Chiarelli’s washroom?

  38. Moose says:

    OF17,

    Good shouts on both. I thought long and hard about both those teams with the exact same players, I think the Dallas scenario is more plausible of the two, but I know Dallas really likes Lindell.

    If I’m Winnipeg I want Provorov. Streit would be an expensive 3rd pairing guy for a budget team, especially when they have Enstrom to run the PP. But again…totally plausible.

    Winnipeg is also close to their internal cap (rumored in the $65m range) so not sure how much salary they’d take back.

  39. flyfish1168 says:

    godot10: Krueger had the worst roster in the Hall era, the worst defense in the Hall era, significant injuries, and an all Western Conference schedule, and the BEST points per game.Basically, Krueger had the worst team, and the best results.i.e. For the majority of the season, the centres were a 2nd year Nugent-Hopkins, with a gimpy shoulder, Gagner, Belanger, and Ryan Smyth.

    Khabibulin played even better the season before for Renney, with that incredible start in October and November.

    Krueger’s team was absolutely horrible, but he still produced results…because he made the best use of everything he had….including Yakupov, Paajarvi, a one-legged Ryan Whitney, Mark Fistric…that is what is called coaching.

    We put. Ralph’s firing was MacT biggest mistake. But it got us Conner. Ralph I believe will be an NHL again.

  40. Frank the dog says:

    Durag:
    kinger_OIL,

    I think the rationale for firing Kruger was that getting Eakins was such a huge coup that we needed to do whatever it took to get him before someone else snapped him up.

    MacT’s ineptitude for talent evaluation wasn’t limited to the playing surface.

    The dementor talking head fooled a lot of people. The nadir of this team.

  41. Water Fire says:

    Moose: You know, I saw this last night and really started to go through the teams that have the ability to make that type of trade, and honestly it’s not a big list. Granted this is Winnipeg’s starting position and maybe it changes, but who can really make that deal? Team with young LH D that can give Trouba top 4 minutes and sign him to extension.

    Carolina: They’re not trading Hanifan but have a nice collection of young LH’s (Fleury, Slavin, Bean)
    Toronto: Do they want to trade Gardiner? They already have a lot of RH D and not much depth at LD
    NYR: Would Winnipeg take Brady Skjei + something else?
    Boston: Krug + ?That doesn’t excite me if I’m Winnipeg.
    Detroit: They’re in cap hell but if they move DeKeyser in the deal?

    Who else? To me, in terms of current assets, the Oilers are really in a good position here if the would move Nurse or Reinhart ++

    For most other teams the play is to go get Fowler from Anaheim and flip him, and that might even make more sense for Edmonton too if they can get Fowler without moving Nurse.

    These are great points. One thing to keep in mind is a team cannot afford 5-6 established top 4 quality D.

    Once the top 4 is set, players in the 5-8 range have to be like Gryba, aging vets on favourable deals like Campbell, or players on ELC’s that aren’t bonus rich or don’t have much offense.

    The Oilers presumably have 3 top 4 D set in Larsson, Klef and Sekera, one pounding on the door in Davidson, and Nurse. If Reinhart takes a step there are too many to keep happy pretty soon and they will need to get paid if they are playing well.

    It is very possible they don’t like Trouba after a close up as in the lack of use at WHC that was mentioned, and that they prefer a more established player. Either way Chia is not risk averse and I can see him making a move with the oncoming issues of the leftorium.

    It’s easier to gamble from the deepest pot as well.

  42. Frank the dog says:

    flyfish1168: We put. Ralph’s firing was MacT biggest mistake. But it got us Conner.Ralph I believe will be an NHL again.

    I think his hiring of Dementor was a bigger mistake. Had he fired Krueger to get TMac it would still have been an inept move, but at least replaced by some level of professional competence.

  43. LadiesloveSmid says:

    godot10: Krueger had the worst roster in the Hall era, the worst defense in the Hall era, significant injuries, and an all Western Conference schedule, and the BEST points per game.Basically, Krueger had the worst team, and the best results.i.e. For the majority of the season, the centres were a 2nd year Nugent-Hopkins, with a gimpy shoulder, Gagner, Belanger, and Ryan Smyth.

    Khabibulin played even better the season before for Renney, with that incredible start in October and November.

    Krueger’s team was absolutely horrible, but he still produced results…because he made the best use of everything he had….including Yakupov, Paajarvi, a one-legged Ryan Whitney, Mark Fistric…that is what is called coaching.

    Krueger coached the only season they’d had above league average goaltending in the last decade. Had a playoff spot at TDL day and were exposed from then on, I venture if the season had been 82 games they’d have been even lower in the standings. Khabi’s numbers (.923) were better than the year before (.910) and Duby was solid solid (.921) I was a huge believer and defender of his, was tough to swallow when he crapped out.

    I prefer Krueger to Eakins and I prefer McLellan to both

  44. flyfish1168 says:

    Frank the dog: I think his hiring of Dementor was a bigger mistake. Had he fired Krueger to get TMac it would still have been an inept move, but at least replaced by some level of professional competence.

    You win. By the slimmest of margin. I forgot about him

  45. Moose says:

    Water Fire: These are great points. One thing to keep in mind is a team cannot afford 5-6 established top 4 quality D.

    Once the top 4 is set, players in the 5-8 range have to be like Gryba, aging vets on favourable deals like Campbell, or players on ELC’s that aren’t bonus rich or don’t have much offense.

    The Oilers presumably have 3 top 4 D set in Larsson, Klef and Sekera, one pounding on the door in Davidson, and Nurse. If Reinhart takes a step there are too many to keep happy pretty soon and they will need to get paid if they are playing well.

    It is very possible they don’t like Trouba after a close up as in the lack of use at WHC that was mentioned, and that they prefer a more established player. Either way Chia is not risk averse and I can see him making a move with the oncoming issues of the leftorium.

    It’s easier to gamble from the deepest pot as well.

    Exactly right, and that’s why if you like the player (big if) it doesn’t make sense NOT to move Nurse, Reinhart, or Davidson. Expansion draft be damned. You can get your 5’s and 6’s the same way you get your bottom 6 forwards every year.

  46. Evilas says:

    Moose,

    My first thought was a flip of Hamonic for Trouba, but I also looked at the Isles LD. This doesn’t seem to be a good match, considering Winnipeg’s needs.

    So I went through the same exercise and I came to the Philly conclusion as well; seems the most plausible. I would think Winnipeg’s ask would start at Ghost for sure, but no doubt Provorov would be very well-known to them.

    Regarding need, New Jersey would be an excellent landing spot, the only thing they can really offer is draft picks as they have 1 1st and 2 2nds in the next 2 drafts…They really don’t have very many prospects

    I can see Boston and Toronto trying to jump in, but they don’t have much fot LD to offer, but they both have tons of good forward prospects. Arizona has also been mentioned, but as we have seen most teams are loath to trade within their conference.

    Also, for those who are interested, Peter Mueller is on a PTO with Boston, so perhaps he will reappear in the NHL this season.

    Is it just me, or is the amount of high profile unsigned RFA Dmen unusual at this time of year, or does this happen every once in a while? I can’t recall too many at the position that actually hold out this long. Only Subban comes to mind from the last 5yrs….

  47. Moose says:

    Evilas:
    Moose,

    My first thought was a flip of Hamonic for Trouba, but I also looked at their LD.This doesn’t seem to be a good match, considering Winnipeg’s needs.

    So I went through the same exercise and I came to the Philly conclusion as well; seems the most plausible.I would think Winnipeg’s ask would start at Ghost for sure, but no doubt Provorov would be very well-known to them.

    Regarding need, New Jersey would be an excellent landing spot, the only thing they can really offer is draft picks as they have 1 1st and 2 2nds in the next 2 drafts…They really don’t have very many prospects

    I can see Boston and Toronto trying to jump in, but they don’t have much fot LD to offer, but they both have tons of good forward prospects.Arizona has also been mentioned, but as we have seen most teams are loath to trade within their conference.

    Philly seems highly plausible, I just have a gut feel that they might be looking for a bigger fish to compliment their young D-men. Shattenkirk? I think Hextall has done a really good job of stocking the shelves and weeding out a lot of bad contracts there, and that maybe he feels with the age of his forward group that the time is now to push the boat out for that group. They took a step forward last year.

    Plus, Philly needs to move money to make it happen. Winnipeg maybe not keen on taking salary. Although Philly does have C’s that they could use.

  48. hunter1909 says:

    flyfish1168: We put. Ralph’s firing was MacT biggest mistake. But it got us Conner. Ralph I believe will be an NHL again.

    I think I had something to say but seeing McDavid mentioned basically atones for EVERYTHING Lowe+MacT+Bucky+Horcof(He’s coming back folks, make no doubt), as well as the rest of the water cooler residents ever did to the team post Sather.

  49. hunter1909 says:

    Durag: I think the rationale for firing Kruger was that getting Eakins was such a huge coup that we needed to do whatever it took to get him before someone else snapped him up.

    The same monkey came up with that: “We’re all just so incredibly lucky here in Edmonton praise to Kevin Lowe we’re soo lucky to have MacT because he would get snapped up instantly by 90% of the NHL”…

  50. hunter1909 says:

    Name the Odd one out:

    Jonestown, Guyana

    KLowe’s Oilers

    Hillary Clinton’s onboard press campaign, behaviour of press

    The Moonies

    ANSWER: There is no odd one out. All of them are the same..

  51. JDï™ says:

    hunter1909: Jonestown, Guyana

    KLowe’s Oilers

    There’s more than enough koolaid to go around, should you be Jonesing for some.

  52. OF17 says:

    Moose,

    Given how Streit has looked in the WCH, I think he might have another year as a 2LD left in him, especially if he’s paired with someone as capable as Myers. The Philly deal is entirely dependent on how highly Winnipeg thinks of Sanheim. He’s a fantastic prospect, but he’s not a slam dunk to be a legit contributor even a year from now. Don’t see Philly giving up either Gostisbehere or Provorov for Trouba. That’d be throwing Cheveldayoff an unearned life ring in the same way trading him Klefbom would be.

    Looking around the league though, it seems like the form of potential deals from teams that would be interested is immediate help + promising, close-to-prime-time LD + maybe something minor. We’re fortunate that the Jets got Laine and have such good forward depth, since the immediate help most teams can offer is at forward. The Wings would need to trade Tatar + Smith or similar due to cap concerns. Dallas’s immediate help would be through a Roussel type (and Lindell potentially as a 3LD). That type of deal doesn’t plug Winnipeg’s holes now, but it does provide immediate help, which is why I think Nurse + Davidson is the reasonable basis for a deal.

    There would need to be pieces to balance things. Michael Spacek is a RHC prospect that intrigues me. Adam Lowry would be a nice addition to our bottom six moving forward. If Laine makes the team, Drew Stafford is an expensive 3RW for them that would add to our team and fit the Chiarelli model. There are a lot of ways to potentially make it work, but I think the only way our offer appeals more than others’ is to start with Nurse + Davidson.

    For the record, I’d be more than fine running Reinhart-Gryba or something similar as our 3rd pair if our top 4 were Klefbom-Larsson, Sekera-Trouba. Losing Nurse and Davidson would suck. No question. But that top 4 would give us one of the better defenses in the league for the next 4-5 years while keeping McDavid, Nuge, Draisaitl, and Talbot. That’s a damn good thing.

  53. JimmyV1965 says:

    Moose:
    OF17,

    Good shouts on both. I thought long and hard about both those teams with the exact same players, I think the Dallas scenario is more plausible of the two, but I know Dallas really likes Lindell.

    If I’m Winnipeg I want Provorov. Streit would be an expensive 3rd pairing guy for a budget team, especially when they have Enstrom to run the PP. But again…totally plausible.

    Winnipeg is also close to their internal cap (rumored in the $65m range) so not sure how much salary they’d take back.

    There is absolutely no way Philly trades Provorov for Trouba. The Jets will be waiting a long time if they think they can trade Trouba for a LHD of similiar age and skill. Why would any team do that? Take on a potentially expensive contract and a player who doesn’t conform. They’ll have to accept a lower value player and picks or prospects.

  54. JimmyV1965 says:

    OF17:
    Moose,

    Given how Streit has looked in the WCH, I think he might have another year as a 2LD left in him, especially if he’s paired with someone as capable as Myers. The Philly deal is entirely dependent on how highly Winnipeg thinks of Sanheim. He’s a fantastic prospect, but he’s not a slam dunk to be a legit contributor even a year from now. Don’t see Philly giving up either Gostisbehere or Provorov for Trouba. That’d be throwing Cheveldayoff an unearned life ring in the same way trading him Klefbom would be.

    Looking around the league though, it seems like the form of potential deals from teams that would be interested is immediate help + promising, close-to-prime-time LD + maybe something minor. We’re fortunate that the Jets got Laine and have such good forward depth, since the immediate help most teams can offer is at forward. The Wings would need to trade Tatar + Smith or similar due to cap concerns. Dallas’s immediate help would be through a Roussel type (and Lindell potentially as a 3LD). That type of deal doesn’t plug Winnipeg’s holes now, but it does provide immediate help, which is why I think Nurse + Davidson is the reasonable basis for a deal.

    There would need to be pieces to balance things. Michael Spacek is a RHC prospect that intrigues me. Adam Lowry would be a nice addition to our bottom six moving forward. If Laine makes the team, Drew Stafford is an expensive 3RW for them that would add to our team and fit the Chiarelli model. There are a lot of ways to potentially make it work, but I think the only way our offer appeals more than others’ is to start with Nurse + Davidson.

    For the record, I’d be more than fine running Reinhart-Gryba or something similar as our 3rd pair if our top 4 were Klefbom-Larsson, Sekera-Trouba. Losing Nurse and Davidson would suck. No question. But that top 4 would give us one of the better defenses in the league for the next 4-5 years while keeping McDavid, Nuge, Draisaitl, and Talbot. That’s a damn good thing.

    I certainly wouldn’t do this deal before the season starts. Davidson makes a fraction of what Trouba will and he’s just as good defensively. Why does everyone think Trouba has such great offensive upside? As far as I can see he put up good numbers as a rookie and that’s it. The league is riddled with hot rookies who fizzled out offensively.

  55. Frank the dog says:

    JimmyV1965: I certainly wouldn’t do this deal before the season starts.Davidson makes a fraction of what Trouba will and he’s just as good defensively. Why does everyone think Trouba has such great offensive upside?As far as I can see he put up good numbers as a rookie and that’s it.The league is riddled with hot rookies who fizzled out offensively.

    Don’t forget that the Jets, who know Trouba’s worth better than anyone else, don’t think he’s worth what he thinks he’s worth. I think TMac may also know him better than most after the tournament, so I’m perfectly happy with us passing up on him of that’s the case.
    The biggest problem with Nurse is the injurython we had last year forced him way up out of his depth at this time. I like Nurse.

  56. OF17 says:

    JimmyV1965: I certainly wouldn’t do this deal before the season starts.Davidson makes a fraction of what Trouba will and he’s just as good defensively. Why does everyone think Trouba has such great offensive upside?As far as I can see he put up good numbers as a rookie and that’s it.The league is riddled with hot rookies who fizzled out offensively.

    It’s about LD-RD balance, both here and in the long term. Trade for Trouba and we have our top 4 set at reasonable dollars for the next 5 years. We won’t have to change out or in all likelihood upgrade a member of our top 4 for the next half decade. That has incredible value.

    Davidson and Nurse are great pieces, for sure, and that’s why they’re being talked about as potentially completing the puzzle in trade. But man, if after wandering the woods for a decade searching for balance we’re able to complete our top 4 like that while maintaining McDavid-Nuge-Draisaitl up front and Talbot in goal, we’ll be laughing, and that doesn’t even take into account pieces like Lucic, Eberle, and Puljujarvi.

    Grab Trouba for Nurse + Davidson or similar and IMO we have all of the core pieces in place we need to win a Cup. Whether we do so or not is an entirely different story, since it’ll depend a lot on players reaching their reasonable projections, but that’s a core with all of the bases covered.

  57. russ99 says:

    OF17: It’s about LD-RD balance, both here and in the long term. Trade for Trouba and we have our top 4 set at reasonable dollars for the next 5 years. We won’t have to change out or in all likelihood upgrade a member of our top 4 for the next half decade. That has incredible value.

    Davidson and Nurse are great pieces, for sure, and that’s why they’re being talked about as potentially completing the puzzle in trade. But man, if after wandering the woods for a decade searching for balance we’re able to complete our top 4 like that while maintaining McDavid-Nuge-Draisaitl up front and Talbot in goal, we’ll be laughing, and that doesn’t even take into account pieces like Lucic, Eberle, and Puljujarvi.

    Grab Trouba for Nurse + Davidson or similar and IMO we have all of the core pieces in place we need to win a Cup. Whether we do so or not is an entirely different story, since it’ll depend a lot on players reaching their reasonable projections, but that’s a core with all of the bases covered.

    L-R balance is less important than not selling low on young players and also not blow up the cap for our bonuses this year keeping Puljujarvi in the AHL and for when McDavid needs his max deal. Trouba and “reasonable dollars” doesn’t seem possible.

    This season it looks like the first time in a decade we have 6 NHL players on our blueline. Let’s see how that works before blowing it all up to chase RHD balance.

    I’m really interested in Vesce after McLellan’s comments, seems like he’s getting a good look at C while Draisaltl is at the Word Cup, and he has a history with McLellan.

    Looks possible that he could be our 4C when Draisaitl plays the wing.

  58. Pouzar says:

    Bob McKenzie opened his week of radio hits with an appearance on Montreal’s TSN 690, and, as you might imagine, one Jacob Trouba came up as a discussion point.

    “There’s lots of interest in him, but there’s maybe not all that many teams that are positioned well to get him,” said McKenzie. “Right now the Winnipeg Jets – if they trade Jacob Trouba, and it is an if because they put out their statement that was kind of a counter to his, basically saying, ‘Hey, we’ll do whatever’s in the best interest of our hockey team.’ But they also know long term that it’s not the best fit and it’s not the best circumstance.

    “But right now, the Jets appear to be looking for a high-impact, one-for-one deal. That is ‘Okay, we’re going to trade a guy coming out of entry level who is a right-shot defenseman – which is really valuable in the National Hockey League – and even though we didn’t play him in a Top 4 role because we had Byfuglien and Myers ahead of him on the depth chart, we’re going to treat him as if he’s a Top 4 guy. Therefore, our asking price is we want a Top 4 or top-pairing left-shot defenseman to fill the hole that we would be creating by trading Trouba.’ Because the Jets planned on playing Trouba on the left side with either Byfuglien or Myers this year.

  59. Genjutsu says:

    Moose: You know, I saw this last night and really started to go through the teams that have the ability to make that type of trade, and honestly it’s not a big list. Granted this is Winnipeg’s starting position and maybe it changes, but who can really make that deal? Team with young LH D that can give Trouba top 4 minutes and sign him to extension.

    Carolina: They’re not trading Hanifan but have a nice collection of young LH’s (Fleury, Slavin, Bean)
    Toronto: Do they want to trade Gardiner? They already have a lot of RH D and not much depth at LD
    NYR: Would Winnipeg take Brady Skjei + something else?
    Boston: Krug + ?That doesn’t excite me if I’m Winnipeg.
    Detroit: They’re in cap hell but if they move DeKeyser in the deal?

    Who else? To me, in terms of current assets, the Oilers are really in a good position here if the would move Nurse or Reinhart ++

    For most other teams the play is to go get Fowler from Anaheim and flip him, and that might even make more sense for Edmonton too if they can get Fowler without moving Nurse.

    Toronto has Reilly Gardiner Hunwick and our boy Marincin on LD.

    They have Zaitsev Polak Corrado with Percy and Carrick close to ready.

    To me that a much stronger left side. Zaitsev is the only real top 4 candidate on the right side. Polak is not anything more than a bottom pairing option. Leaving three guys who may or may not be NHL players.

    That RD depth could realistically be vaulted by a Trouba addition.

    Kinda looks similar to Edmonton with out the flood of LD coming.

  60. matt says:

    Lowetide,

    Thanks for the response, and apologies for the missed autocorrect corrections. I recognize Lander has never been an offensive dynamo, but thought that he had turned a corner with his play during the World Championships. I’m searching for some reason, such as undisclosed injury, to explain the gap between the tournament peak and last season’s valley and justify retaining some hope that there is an NHL player there.

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